EPISODE 3

[chrome wagon]

Mark my words. We will see it for the next week.

[carmine vault]

Deathclaws have pre war lore don’t they

[chrome wagon]

oh yeah that conversation yesterday was something.

[trail sentinel]

You know what I'm not even going to bet
This is going to happen

[wind timber]

Yes, they existed as military units before the bombs

[trail sentinel]

They are among us
Stop calling their horde out

[maiden glade]

the lead dweller is a woman - clearly an evil agenda is at play

[carmine vault]

Maybe its a chinese death claw

[maiden glade]

yeah i wanna see more about what that vault was doin

[heavy wing]

What happened hmm

[chrome wagon]

the yosemite woman had a tiny bit more sense than the men, clearly, this show is favoring women over men.

[wind timber]

Of all the things the show is, it isn’t fucking woke lmao. People act like they aren’t showing peoples brains splattered across the wall on the regular while spewing insanely vulgar shit

[trail sentinel]

I can't really explain it to you because you just had to be there

[chrome wagon]

I'm not bringing it up again, that shit was atrocious. You had to be there to see it, it was something lol

[heavy wing]

Show me the conversation
Ill read it

[carmine vault]

I presume episode 4 will pick up on norm

[wind timber]

The blond vault lady seems like she’s a cold mfer lol

[trail sentinel]

Let me try and find it

[maiden glade]

she just dumped her baby on poor whathisface lol

[solid moat]

It basically starts from here.
#1447298257972756530 message

[wraith jay]

“Rape and slaver isn’t immoral in context”

[trail sentinel]

That's not half of it

[heavy wing]

I havent even seen the video but i kinda knew it was bad

[heavy wing]

Somebody shoot me in the head for what i just read

[chrome wagon]

Which vault, the commie one or a different one -

[heavy wing]

What
In
Gods
Earth
Did
I
Just
READ!?!?!

[chrome wagon]

It gets worse. Just try and read through it, if you can. lol

[maiden glade]

btw next time that crops up ping staff

[chrome wagon]

[heavy wing]

Im already trying to find this guy so i throw this shit at him!

[trail sentinel]

@heavy wing read it all the way thru. All of it. From here to where you just can't take it anymore
#1447298257972756530 message

[maiden glade]

martol lets not go vigilante'ing either

[carmine vault]

Afternoon everybody (i hope someone recognises this reference)

[chrome wagon]

He's done it in other channels, so i assumed it was normal but idk, he did the same in #1447295973129978058

[serene bough]

How about we just move on?

Sounds good

[trail sentinel]

Yeah don't worry I wrote TFN Modmail about his wonderful takes
Let's move on

[heavy wing]

That was a joke
I am not actually not gonna do it XD
Anyways like absythe said
We moving on

So what do you think next episode will show?

[maiden glade]

so that commie vault. it coming back or just a neat lil side trip?

[heavy wing]

Well it had the brain chips so it has some relavance but it seems weird if it comes back again
I feel like its a one time thing

[trail sentinel]

I think its coming back
I remember some BTS leak thing showing that they shooting something else there too

[chrome wagon]

A neat side trip, it was meant to be in FNV as cut content but.

I imagine it's hinting at large implications with the device.

[carmine vault]

I thought they admitted there were no cut vaults

[wraith jay]

I did once and the bot said the convo would be monitored

[heavy wing]

You know they can just lie about stuff like that?

[chrome wagon]

There was a vault 24 jumpsuit in-game, i have to imagine at some point they did.

I don't think they'd just randomly create the vault suit, with the same number and leave it there. lol

[carmine vault]

I am sure the jumpsuit may have just been for the vault 21 quest

[heavy wing]

Oh i thought he meant the show creators
Not the fnv one

[carmine vault]

Amazing norm and a cheers reference have not been made

[chrome wagon]

yeah but how else would you get it... if not for going to the vault to get the suit... >.> like the other vault suits...

[solid moat]

The mind control chips probably took inspiration from this:
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/The_Surgeon

[wraith jay]

Mind controll was all over the place in 3

[chrome wagon]

Yeah, it was.

[wraith jay]

The deathclaws and mesmatron

[chrome wagon]

Fucking mesmatron.
Mesmatron had the same effect too as the device, too much and your head explodes.

[heavy wing]

Except more effective

[wraith jay]

The chip will be permanent tho

And doesn’t make you all sick and loopy the same way

[polar stirrup]

how much longer now til ep 4?

[wraith jay]

Bro please tell me you know how to tell time

[polar stirrup]

timezones buddy

[sick nest]

13 hours and 30 minutes from the time of your message

[polar stirrup]

much appreciated

[carmine vault]

Collars-mesmetron-chip a time line

[wraith jay]

It’s very easy math

[polar stirrup]

want a medal?

[wraith jay]

Go watch subway surfer AITA vids on reels

[maiden glade]

play nice ;p

[near root]

Is it just me or does it feel like they upscaled the world but down scaled the factions

[wraith jay]

It’s been 15 years

People have died, also there are like 10x more legionaries in that camp then in game at the fort

[chrome wagon]

Not really downscaled them, but factions rise and fall, we don't have all the details of what's happened in that 15 year time gap yet.

[wraith jay]

The battle of Hoover dam is like 10 legion and 10 NCR lol

[near root]

Damn that is true. Maybe it just feels like it cause we are actually in a full scaled world

[wraith jay]

Like don’t get me wrong the NCR is smaller but we haven’t seen how many there really are. only splinter groups, the legion seems just as big

[polar stirrup]

new vegas wouldve been cooler to see in the show if all the casinos were still open

im guessing its all abandoned now

[wraith jay]

Why do you think they aren’t, all the lights are on in the trailers(they were at least recently open)

The atomic wrangler is still open

Free side seems fine

[polar stirrup]

cause the show seems like they change the story a lot, shady sands, legion etc

[polar stirrup]

the elvis guys are all ghouls too

[wraith jay]

They are outside the gate to free side, not in free side

[polar stirrup]

its been a while since ive played 💀

[wraith jay]

Yes that’s what stories do, after 15 years things change

The shady sands being in a different spot thing is the only change that breaks lore

And it’s happed before too, it was moved for no reason between 1 and 2

[polar stirrup]

i dont mind lore breaking tbh the shows still entertaining

[wraith jay]

I agree, every fallout nukes the lore when it comes out

[trail sentinel]

Plus even if it moved
I can't stress the fact that I don't think it is straight up in the middle of LA

[wraith jay]

It is in the larger la metropolitan area for all intents and purposes

I know there are smaller cities around la but be fr, it basically all la still

[trail sentinel]

Maybe not the metro area
The LA country, however?

I can buy that
I have already mentioned how I think Shady must be either in Lancaster or somewhere in that area

Pretty much still LA County but not LA metro area

[wraith jay]

It has sky scrapers fam

[trail sentinel]

Necropolis also has skyscrapers
Bakersfield dosen't IRL

Hopeville and Ashton literally don't exist IRL and yet in pre-War they seemed to be a skyscraper affair

Case and point
Skyscrapers are literally everywhere in Fallout

[wraith jay]

See but why do they make every other location recognizable staples of LA, the path they take makes no sense for them to pass shady sands if it isn’t closer to la imho

Knowing where filly is would clear it up but my best guess is Santa Monica mountains or Angeles national forest

[trail sentinel]

Actually I did find out a possibly Filly location funnily enough
And as to why they would go all the way to Shady Sands if it isn't in LA?
Idk Thaddeus dosen't have that much of a sense of direction I guess

I'm not saying it isn't possible Shady isn't in close to LA
I'm saying it is not inside LA
This is the area I'm refering to, using a screenshot I took like, some days ago I think

[wraith jay]

Fillmore being filly makes so much sense

[trail sentinel]

I think they confirmed it not being Fillmore?

[wraith jay]

Why would they do that lmao

This map makes so much sense and could place shady sands around Santa Clarita which helps a lot

[trail sentinel]

See there's a fun thing here that led me to believe Shady is Lancaster
The train tracks

You can actually have a walk from Santa Clarita (place where there's actually a tunnel) to Lancaster in just a day

[zenith gazelle]

It's not Filmore that doesn't make any sense.

Someone already did some math work on her travel and Filly most likely means Landfill, with a nearly direct line drawn to the Layola Marymount university

[maiden glade]

i thought filly was some random dump/landfill

[zenith gazelle]

Ie, some university went under before the war so the government turned it and the local green space into a dumping ground

[wraith jay]

It means landfill obviously but a double entendre would be cool

[trail sentinel]

Hmm
I think I kinda remember that post you are talking about
What I don't remember is what conclusion they came to with Shady

[zenith gazelle]

I don't live on that coast so I can't say with certainty but it does line up with LAX and Santa Monica and a direct line to the observatory. With a green space lake in the middle.

Shady Sands in the show is in LA/the Boneyard/New Adytum. We see the LA skyline when Cooper watches the nukes drop and we see a similar skyline in the flashback when Hank patrols the Mojave.

[trail sentinel]

I'm not convinced
I'm more drawn to assume they actually walked a bit more than shown but that wasn't properly communicated

[pine panther]

A character in NV mentions being from shady sands and says it was by the Boneyard

[wraith jay]

Care to cite this

[pine panther]

Im trying to remember the NPC first

[trail sentinel]

And like, that one quiz they have about the "original name of the NCR capital" has the options being IIRC
Shady Sands
Aradesh
Boneyard
Vault 13 (if not 15)

[zenith gazelle]

I don't remember any NPC mentioning the Boneyard

[trail sentinel]

Caesar is a big one given he was born there

[pine panther]

I think it was Caesar that actually says what I'm thinking of

He says he came from shady sands outside of the Boneyard

[zenith gazelle]

Huh. I don't like talking to him so I guess I missed him mentioning it

[trail sentinel]

I'm honestly just thinking Shady is north of LA, still within LA County but not in the Boneyard itself

[zenith gazelle]

" My family lived not far from the great Boneyard. After Raiders killed my father, my mother sought the Followers' protection. I was two years old."

"As a young man I was taught to venerate {mocking slightly} President Tandi of Shady Sands. "The Founding Mother of the New California Republic." "

Those are the only two mentions of either location in his dialogue

[wraith jay]

Yeah was about to say

[trail sentinel]

An NCR map would be a godsend

[zenith gazelle]

Any map would be a godsend

[wraith jay]

I don’t care that they moved it, just please tell us exactly where the fuck it is

[trail sentinel]

Yeah no like it is very likely they moved it
But like still, where is the damn thing
30 years and no clue of concrete location

[zenith gazelle]

Again staking my claim that Kimball died to legion assassins and caused a succession crisis at home, Moldaver claimed presidency and caused a small civil war between the economically successful south NCR and the larger population of North NCR. New Adytum became New Shady Sands and Maximus doesn't know the difference because he's a fridge boy

[untold elm]

Probably a form of compromise. Let them indulge in evil shit but keep it marketable and in line with what Vegas is about.

[zenith gazelle]

The original shady sands is just out in the desert. I don't think there's any landmarks close enough. Didn't they use a GECK to terraform that corner of the map I to a liveable environment?

[untold elm]

House obviously doesn’t care too much about underhanded criminal activity or them pimping out women whether they’re consenting or not

[pine panther]

The Courier: "How did you rise to power?"
Caesar: "Ironically, I was born a Profligate myself, a citizen of the NCR. My family lived not far from the great Boneyard. After Raiders killed my father, my mother sought the Followers' protection. I was two years old. She found work at their Library, cooking and cleaning. I learned how to read and soon I was taking courses, free of charge."
(Caesar's dialogue) - from Caesars dialogue on the wiki

[zenith gazelle]

Not far from the Boneyard is still very vague

[pine panther]

Yea

But it's not far

Maybe like a days walk or less idk

[wraith jay]

Note he doesn’t say “not far from the boneyard or shady sands”

[untold elm]

Like House couldn’t totally erase their ambitions and proclivities, since he still had to play ball with the families.

[cedar lotus]

Who’s hyped for episode 4

[zenith gazelle]

What the frick it airs at 3am? When did that happen

[wild tapir]

OH BOI 3AM!

[sharp locust]

Just watch it when you wake up

[sharp locust]

Maybe if the writing gets better

[cedar lotus]

If ur on the east coast and have est like me im from NY

[sharp locust]

Pray they do the enclave justice in the future

[zenith gazelle]

F

[summer surge]

every episodes has?

[zenith gazelle]

Whaddahell

[hearty ether]

idk what else they can do the writing is pretty good

[cedar lotus]

They will prolly be in s3

[cedar lotus]

I really like the show I don’t get what’s wrong with it there aren’t plot holes but there are messed up timelines and placements like dinky and shady sands

[alpine veldt]

I don't even think it's that messed up, this stuff's moved for a good or ok reason before.

[foggy badger]

I feel like a lot of these changes are inconsequential in the long run, sure they change some stuff but most of these changes can be explained further. I don’t think we should write off the entire shows writing because they change things a little or they don’t favor a specific faction the way someone would like

The writing can’t possibly be perfect, there’s no such thing. But so far they’re doing a good job

[river otter]

Shady Sands was moved in Fallout 2 as well so wouldn’t be the first time it’s been moved. I don’t get why people give the show so much hate, I’m so glad it turned out the way it did and not like Halo.

[untold elm]

I thought it was somewhat obvious that Shady Sands itself wasn’t moved in FO2 and instead it was just a creative change to the map that most players wouldn’t notice.

It still has the same rough distance from Vault 13 iirc

[trail sentinel]

Even if that's the case

1. Bakersfield in FO1 is in the middle of the Mojave
2. FO2 was supposedly planned to be bigger

More than a creative change, it is a gameplay change
They did it so gameplay isn't interrupted or changed

This is the case with both Bakersfield in 1 and Shady in 2

[untold elm]

I wouldn’t consider the FO1/2 maps super reliable for exact locations in general tbh. Really the core of the complaint is that Shady Sands shouldn’t be in LA. Those are two distinct locations and LA already has well established lore on who is already there that could have been used.

[trail sentinel]

I have to say again that, at least imo
I really think this whole Shady Sands discourse just comes from long walking distances not being implied properly
If it isn't that then I'm willing to buy Gorefather's theory

[wild tapir]

Pepole only assume it's la because of the classics maps

[sharp locust]

I like watching the show
But…
The brotherhood is just stuiped and dude bros now, NCR is basically just wiped off the map and are gone. Caesar’s legion is fine, the Cold War stuff makes sense (besides the stuiped camp thing). The Khans are just generic raiders.

Lucy has plot armour and still acts like she walked out of the vault yesterday.

Mr house acts odd in the flash back

A guy just casually walks into shady sands with a nuclear bomb
You’d think that the NCR would have guard around the perimeter of their capital. Especially on roads

[orchid stirrup]

this is FALLOUT dude everything is silly and unserious now stop thinking and consume

[sharp locust]

https://tenor.com/view/jim-carrey-oh-thats-right-right-okay-gif-15449357

[orchid stirrup]

who cares about well written factions and consistent lore when you can have lucy on a cross talking back to the freaking legion

so funny right

[sharp locust]

Remember the fallout 1 and 4 intros?
With how goofy they where and unserious they where?😂 😂

[orchid stirrup]

yeah war never changes or some shit

[sharp locust]

Remember the silly music and 360 no scope when your significant other is shot in the head in 4 by the institute?
Good times

[trail sentinel]

I just know you watched Schizo Elijah when he still was around lol

[orchid stirrup]

remember house and his lust for blood and enslavement of the human race in fnv

[orchid stirrup]

i didn't

[trail sentinel]

Well good thing at least

[orchid stirrup]

i don't even know who he is

[trail sentinel]

Better that way

Trust me

[summer surge]

a stain on the community

[wild tapir]

Bro had a fitting name

[viscid yacht]

50s slapstick gore

[zenith gazelle]

It's peak, I'm afraid.

[trail sentinel]

Always has been, pardner!
Fallout is many things
But if it is one thing that it is above all else, is that it is

Peak!

[polar stirrup]

few hours left until e4

finally

[upper otter]

Don't forget the Wilhelm scream

[viscid yacht]

Releasing episodes at 3am est was certainly an Amazon decision of all time.

[iron delta]

I just woke up from a power nap and we got 40 minutes!

[lime plover]

Should I sleep for school or stay up for the new episode

[iron delta]

Well if I were in that position, I'd probably be making the irresponsible choice because thinking about it would keep me up anyway

But I stay up all night every night anyway so this doesn't affect me

[lime plover]

Yes true

I need to know what happens, better than risking getting spoiled

[iron delta]

Alright, I'm going dark! See you on the other side, folks!

[sick nest]

goodbye episode 3

[viscid yacht]

It is time

[summer surge]

i will be watching it in some hours :(

[ripe portal]

so they retcon deathclaws origins ?

[summer surge]

nope, also #1447298012459171921

[carmine vault]

No they were pre war experiments

[ripe portal]

Only in the official guide, not in game.

[summer surge]

what?

[wild tapir]

Deathclaws allwas were prewar

[wild tapir]

And the games take post war

[ripe portal]

I know, its in the Fo2 guide.

[carmine vault]

So thats not a retcon

[chrome wagon]

#1447298012459171921

[glossy coyote]

All bos is like that fuk they mean??

[sick osprey]

Maxson's was probably the most racist BOS faction we've encountered until Quintus's chapter in the show

[glossy coyote]

Only one ik that isint against ghouls is midwest bos

[burnt yew]

real when we getting a midwest revival

[inner nimbus]

maxson wouldnt call for you to murder ghoul children, he would just tell you to ignore them and not fraternize

lyons chapter too was pretty racist, taking potshots at non ferals, their racism seems to be a product of fighting mutants for literal decades, they cant tell the difference between a brute which is 99% of the mutants and actually sane ones

[carmine vault]

Suprised thaddeus could get away with occupying a soda factory and not getting killed for that alone given bottle caps are currency

[wraith jay]

Securitrons will do that

We know house had a large amount of caps maybe house used it to make his caps before new Vegas and that’s why they were there

[carmine vault]

Even in game both bottle factories we see are left intact

[wild tapir]

Well maybe hes unbottling old unused bottles

[carmine vault]

The factor soda factories are not picked clean by now

[wild tapir]

It's fallout

We can find food still in stores

[wraith jay]

The one in game was full of robots that kept people out

[fluid escarp]

I’m so glad Caesar is dead
Fuck the legion

[untold elm]

Rip, he will be missed 🙏

[solid moat]

Nah. Rest in Piss, he won’t be missed.

[rich shoal]

I’m honestly just sad they had to give the hella style to the bad guys

[analog summit]

Glad he’s dead but wish what the Legion did in response was more interesting

[tacit birch]

did they kill vulpes or something

[chrome wagon]

Assume all the legion leaders are dead, like Joshua said, the Legion lives and dies with Caesar.

[fluid escarp]

Y’all think the legion could still wipe out the east coast brotherhood in its current state?

[wild tapir]

They never were possible

[wraith jay]

They couldn’t have at their peak

[fluid escarp]

Oh, I thought the legion’s numbers would essentially be Helios One all over again for the east coast

[wraith jay]

What period are we discussing here? Fo3? Fo4? Now?

[fluid escarp]

Fo4 as it’s the most recent in the games

[wraith jay]

Yeah legion stands no chance against the east coast BOS in full war

[fluid escarp]

Institute is gone
Liberty Prime is working

[wraith jay]

Zero chance it’s even close BOS no diff

[tacit birch]

fuck no

[wild tapir]

The numbers in 4 arent counting the capital wasteland

[molten hamlet]

East Coast BoS recruit and have far more tech at their deposal than the west coast now.

Legion at its peak could take an expedition from them though imo

[abstract birch]

Is anyone else… disappointed how quickly the legion got delt with? I hate them don’t get me wrong but an episode felt too quick

[grave monolith]

Well, they can't give equal time to everyone. Honestly, I kinda wish we had some longer seasons for as involved as we're getting. Sadly I feel like we're setting S3 up for boston.

[wild tapir]

Legion dosent need it's own arc

[grave monolith]

I think we also have more Legion and NCR coming based on the titlecards

[wraith jay]

There is a lot more legion content this season

The season trailers have the legate putting on ceasers crown and uniting the legion

[carmine vault]

The bull will hunt the bear

[sick nest]

don't worry they're getting their own arc

[grave monolith]

This is why we need more than 8 eps per season. I'd take 10 or 12..or 14.. I don't need 26. (Would definately love it but..)

[analog summit]

yes extremely disappointed. i didnt like anything about their portrayal. im also not a legion fan but appreciate their antagonist role in FNV

[wraith jay]

They aren’t done, we have only seen like half their scenes

The trailer had many more scenes yet to come

[analog summit]

they did such a bad job that i probably wont watch the rest

[wraith jay]

Okay lol

[analog summit]

if || ghoul || is actually dead im definitely giving up on the entire series

only character i cared about

[wraith jay]

Fam if you literally just watched the trailer for the season you would know the answer to both things you brought up

[analog summit]

why would i watch the trailer and spoil shit

[wraith jay]

Why are you raging about an unfinished story then?

Pick one

[analog summit]

bc a story doesnt have to finish for me to care about it

if half the journey to the conclusion is insultingly bad then i dont care how it ends

[wraith jay]

“Man I hate this show because legion is already dead and ||ghoul is dead||” don’t hate until it’s finished or watch the trailer

[analog summit]

also nobody is raging. just talking about the show

[analog summit]

thats not why i hate the show. the way those aspects have been presented so far i just hate also

[wraith jay]

If you hate it why are you still watching, that sounds like a huge waste of time

[analog summit]

i hate the show bc it feels like theyre invalidating everything from FNV

you defending it here to me is a worse waste of time

[wraith jay]

I’ve done this for 5 mins you have spent 5 hours hate watching

[analog summit]

youre right actually. i need to stop even hoping anything under the bethesda umbrella is capable of producing anything of quality

[wraith jay]

Fam you already learned what you are supposed to feel from YouTubers no point in forming your own opinions now

[analog summit]

i havent watched any vids about the show

[wraith jay]

Okay

[analog summit]

ive only watched the show

[wraith jay]

Okay

[analog summit]

also pls tag your spoilers fr

didnt want to know any of that info 👍

[supple grove]

You shouldn't be in the spoilers thread if you don't want to see spoilers. People are directed here to speak freely (up to episode 3 in this particular chat) about Season 2.

[analog summit]

the rules say to tag spoilers

also this thread says episode 3. do the other threads for later episodes not work?

[wraith jay]

Officially released content at the time of the episodes aren’t spoilers in this chat, only things from future episodes and trailers

[analog summit]

right and the info he spoiled was from future episodes and trailers

[wraith jay]

Nope, The only things I referenced were from this episode or the origin pre season trailers, nice try tho

[analog summit]

pre season trailers are still trailers that spoil future aspects of the show

[wraith jay]

And are allowed in these chats

[analog summit]

just contradicted yourself but ok man

[wraith jay]

No I didn’t, read

[analog summit]

"only things from future episodes and trailers are spoilers you cant put in this channel" "the only thing i referenced were from this episode (incorrect) and trailers"

this thread says episode 3. you referenced spoilers from episodes later than episode 3

[wraith jay]

Where? When I was responding to you and used a spoiler tag? Nice try

You brought up that spoiler and we both properly used the tag on it

[wraith jay]

Nothing else I have mentioned is from anything other the. Episodes 1,2, 3 and pre season trailers

[analog summit]

If you say so

[wraith jay]

Okay

[waxen coral]

So does it ever say which Caesar is vulpes inculte and which is legate lanius in EP 3?

[wraith jay]

It doesn’t say that anything about either of those characters at all what?

[chrome wagon]

None of the characters from FNV are in the show.
Both Caesar's are new - we don't know if there's a Frumentarii leader.

All we know is that Legate Lacerta ends up becoming the new Caesar.

[waxen coral]

Damn unfortunate, thank you

[analog summit]

…. right, thats what they are asking

[dusky oracle]

Dunno which episode but with the childrens I just realized that Bethesda continued their logic of immortal kids lol

[frank thicket]

more powerful than any playable character or faction

[dusky oracle]

LMAOO

[frozen shadow]

i'm starting to think Hank and Kate Williams are being low key manipulated by the Enclave themselves, and even Barb and Cooper as well,(according to Mr House's warnings)

[carmine vault]

Hank maybe
Coop and barb likely
Kate no

[wild tapir]

The person in the elevator theartened barb that she can't walk away and says he even is being thearten to tell barb this