EPISODE 8

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This is full of assumptions and inconsistencies

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Which part

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And many of them are explained by other games

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For one it assumes that the courier hasn’t been there since the game. We have zero evidence to suggest it

Also the airships were built after fallout new Vegas

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What about the khans building a pool and moving the dinasour

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And shady sands was nuked after the end of fnv

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Howe do you know

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Game space isn’t lore

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I’ve played fallout 4, they explain it all

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I did too the airships looked pretty rusty and old

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They literally tell you they built it after the end of fallout 3 and it took like 6 years

It’s from the scraps and such from Adam’s Air Force base

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Am i mistaken or is the end of fallout 3 before new vegas

And also the commonwealth airships are completely different from the west cost mohave ones

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Fallout 3 ends in 2277 new Vegas takes place in 2281. The first airship took 6 years to build

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Same thing integrally but not the same thing in lore

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They are the same pattern

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But theres only 1 in fallout 4 and like 10 in the show

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There is a 10 year time skip between show and fallout 4

And there are only 3 we see

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Alright fair enough the video was just funny

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It’s okay but you gotta be purposefully ignorant and ignore actual lore

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Does the show not have major incosistenies tho

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Major lore no

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No not really, it has like 1 with the location of shady sands and 1 with the timeline of the nuke being odd but that’s pretty minor

But all the games always have some supper inconsistent lore

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And as has been said the games don’t represent locations in their entireity

The gates between each part of the strip being a good example

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I mean we know in lore vaults are supposed to have hundreds of people but in game they have like 4 bedrooms each

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I can’t think of a major lore contradiction in the show

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Even the shady sands one is less egregious now the bone yards comfirmed to exist too

The airship thing to me always suggested to me the uniformity that maxsons chapter is forcing on the others

Same with the t-60

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Yeah fallout 4 did much more damage to lore then the show ever could. It’s honestly crazy how accurate it is

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Jet?

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Like actually referencing the annexation of Canada and stuff is so good

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Because even fallout 2 hinted myron may not have created jet from scratch

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Nah just the general architecture, fusion cores, some of the fev stuff.

It just feels like a completely different universe from the other games

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See the idea of more than one fev lab makes sense to me

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It does but now we have like 5 different strains of mutants which is a bit much

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I guess but i am not against it from a lore front

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That’s more of a story issue then Lore issue

Yeah

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Like it was west teks next golden goose so them doing stuff like vault 87 and huntersville makes sense

Though how the institute got its an issue

I wonder how different strains of mutants view each other

Is there intermutant racism

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West coast would dunk on the east coast mutants

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Dc and instiute mutants divide on colour

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Imagine the next game has a football stadium where super mutants play football you can bet on

Just beating the shit out of each other

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You not mutant too green/yellow (side dependant)

With mini nukes?

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Nah they would run out of players too fast

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Good random event though

Also be good icon for a perk vault boy tossing a mini nuke

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They should bring back the nuclar perk from f03

[mystic plaza]

They share the same model - the airships follow the Prydwen Model - so for example, the airships we see post-war are, Cassawenann; Model Prydwen.
Which is not really lore breaking, plus they would be easier to make since the other Chapter airships don't have to compensate for Liberty Prime's space/weight, and vertibird construction.

[mystic plaza]

Not major lore inconsistencies that people like to complain about, no.

[worldly bloom]

Then he got dumped in the basement

I thought it was so funny how Hank set up the way it would go with coop and Robert. “He was something of a robot himself” then house later saying that there’s things even he can’t calculate. Then him not taking into account all the variables because he just didn’t know/didn’t think Barb would leave a clue for him

[grand sluice]

Ironically enough the show has less inconsistencies than the games do in 1 and 2

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Basically all games are more inconsistent

It’s just slightly easier to see

[fallow gyro]

yeah the games are a mess

especially when compared to other series

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Cohesive lore is always a plus but people overrate its value yes

Retcons happen because of human error or just due to new ideas emerging

Whether it’s acceptable or not is entirely dependent on if it adds anything substantial over what was lost

And I think the core of the complaints is just that people don’t like the show’s ideas

Which I largely agree with

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that you don't like the shows ideas?

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Most of them yes

[versed relic]

Wdym

[violet elm]

Fallout 4 did a good job with the Power armour but couldn't say the same with the weapons

Less variety, the Raider's shitty habit of turning functional weapons into an Obrez-like weapon

The Fiends have better weapon maintenance and as a matter of fact these bastards are on drugs

[violet elm]

Questionable writings, engine instability

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f1 f2 fnv are great

[violet elm]

Weapon logic thrown out the windows when it comes to ballistic weapons and mostly cranked up in Fallout 4

FNV atleast still got weapon logic

[violet elm]

ever wonder if any of the Kings survived non-feral

[quiet depot]

Ah, played litarally any fallout game have ya? really hits hard doesn't it?

[violet elm]

Fallout 4 is atleast stable enough to run in Vanilla

[quiet depot]

so true, Fallout isn't a stable game since Tactics

[violet elm]

NV like what it advertises, it's basically a gamble on whether or not the game will crash without mods

[quiet depot]

oh man, if you'd lived through 2010 on release but that's a topic for #fallout_general

[violet elm]

Sadly back then, I don't even know PC gaming at the time

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It takes 1 mod

[violet elm]

I haven't got all the DLC yet sure

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Anti crash mods dont need dlcs

[lilac raven]

think it's safe to assume that there's something very powerful under the earth. Curious as to how massive the complex must be for the Enclave to be fine after 240 years.

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You mean minus the dog sized hole in a wall

[lilac raven]

that? That's still a surface facility, Hank made it clear that there's something far greater under the ground.

[surreal sierra]

When did he say that?

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He didn’t

[surreal sierra]

Then how did he make it clear?

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He didn’t

[carmine quiver]

…y'all don't think the Enclave set Ghoul up with a trap?

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They did

[carmine quiver]

been wondering that since the episode dropped, but i couldn't think of any good points as to why they'd set up a trap like that for him

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Cold fusion whould end the war

And they dont want the war to end

[carmine quiver]

no evidence of Barb or Janey, except for a pristine, neatly written card talking about Colorado………….. fishy as shit

[carmine quiver]

but he currently doesn't have cold fusion on him - House has it. why would they lure him?

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Maybe they want to finish coop idk

[queen swift]

Robert House being right would be so heart breaking ugh

[carmine quiver]

unless it's Barb, or maybe even Janey, trying to reach out to him… but they would have to be in a position (aka: agreed to work with the Enclave bc the alternative would probably have been death) where they could keep tabs on him for over 200 years… but then that would mean they would've been in cryo for a little over two centuries at the least, and SOMEHOW putting that card there - unless Barb and Janey went there prior to the Enclave base in Colorado shortly after the bombs fell (whatever caused Cooper to become separated from Janey occurring prior to that)

[carmine quiver]

putting big money on at least Janey being alive in some form, or her ultimately being the only one alive out of her and Barb - possibly Cooper too if they decide to kill him off.

if they kill Janey i'm not even gonna riot

just gonna straight up kms 😭

TL;DR:

the whole card in the cryo chamber leading Cooper to the Enclave base in Colorado smells fishy af - potentially some sort of trap.

[carmine quiver]

BUT EVEN THEN HOW COULD BARB BE SURE COOPER WOULD FIND THAT CARD

HOW COULD SHE HAVE KNOWN HE'D SURVIVE TO FIND THAT

we're still missing a lot of context, which S3 will most likely expand upon

but it's literally driving me INSANE

https://tenor.com/view/explain-plan-theory-crazy-insane-gif-22079506

[carmine quiver]

AND THEN BE SURE THAT HE WOULD SURVIVE THE TRIP TO THE ENCLAVE BASE AND THAT THEY WOULDNT KILL HIM - UNLESS SHES BEEN ENCLAVE THIS WHOLE TIME OR BECAME ENCLAVE SHORTLY AFTER OR BEFORE COOPER HANDING COLD FUSION OVER TO MR KRABS

HOW COULD SHE KNOW UNLESS IT ISNT HER BUT THE FUCKING ENCLAVE FOR SOME REASON????????????????? WHAT DO THEY WANT WITH MELTED FORESKIN COWBOY MAN

https://tenor.com/view/i-need-to-calm-down-everythings-fine-im-an-adult-angela-smosh-gif-3349884247915859729

[queen swift]

She was hoping

[lilac raven]

he was stating that the Surface is just an experiment,not the vaults,which to me, implies the Enclave have an underground network keeping tabs on people.

so far across the fallout series, this holds pretty damn true. They're either situated in remote locations that is nearly impossible for most people to access, or in deep, underground bunker networks.

to not be so heavily set back from every failure, and still trying to find a way to take over, it leads to the notion they have other facilities, not just the one they showed off in the show.

[violet elm]

hopefully the Fallout show can give the Enclave Justice like really

the best way to justify their existence is to make them a decentralized cell

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I think that's what they're aiming for. In the phase II scene the terminal reads out a stream of "cells activated/cells relocating"

Which to me implies that there are a number of autonomous sleeper cells all over the country that are finally being called in

Whether they were sleeper cells before or after the events of FO2 is still in the air

[mystic plaza]

Yeah this is what I was mentioning before that Hank was talking about sleeper agents already being out in the field. I think Hank was just working to see if he could add additions to the design - which means at any point, Enclave members from across the Wastes can wake up which is pretty interesting.

[lilac raven]

yeah, their network seems pretty massive. I think it's gonna take quite a bit of effort to truly stomp out the Enclave threat.

like a seemingly impossible task of trying to unite the wasteland to fight back, because if they can't, I think the Enclave are gonna be just fine with stockpiling data, information, blueprints, and shifting about the region, either through vertibird or underground networks to pop out again.

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When I first played 3 and they showed up, and then seeing remnants in NV, I just assumed they had at least one base in every state and the oil rig I destroyed in 2 was the tip of an iceberg we weren’t ever going to see.

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The us gorvment when they build more then one base 🤯

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… you’re right, the Enclave probably has bases all over the world

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how did the commonwealth BOS rep make it to the west coast

on a vertibird, across america

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Stoping at BOS outposts on the way

They would only really need to refuel once or twice

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there are BOS outposts across the us?

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Different chapters

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Yes

We see 4 chapters just in the show not counting the common wealth

[mystic plaza]

There's a bunch of Chapters that Maxson absorbed in the East, and possibly in the Midwest. There's also a bunch of Chapters in the West - in one of the Episodes Quintus mentions the 3 Chapters that show up are the ones who decided to answer the call he made - implying there's a bunch that didn't and that they're either loyal to the Commonwealth, or didn't want to deal with whatever Quintus had planned.

[lilac raven]

Right, there's a lot of examples of the BoS not being really unified. Show just shows they're degrading to more of a tech raider setup than anything else.

[carmine quiver]

sensed brotherhood slander and came running :D

they're a tech raiding cult with an agenda against anyone who doesn't have their skin attached.

or skin that's synthetic

[lilac raven]

Actually they have an agenda against anyone who isn't them, period. They're like a shittier version of the Enclave, wanting to be sole heirs of the world.

[carmine quiver]

Enclave >> Brotherhood tbh

[mystic plaza]

Nah, people can slander them all they want. There's only two factions I'll defend and die on the hill for and that's the Followers and the Responders, any other Faction can get slandered for all I care. Lmao

[carmine quiver]

oh good 😅 bc i want the brotherhood exterminated

Roger Maxson didn't die for this 💔 rip King 🙏

[carmine quiver]

probably would've consisted of Cooper going: [insert John Travolta looking around meme from Pulp Fiction - that i can't post bc mods will probably flay me alive if i let the non-conformist/challenging tendencies to possess me again 😔]

[lilac raven]

yeah, without a higher authority to enforce the Brotherhood Codex EXACTLY to the letter as Roger Maxson intended and punish those who twist it for their own gain, sort of like a government, it was inevitable for the BoS to fall and become simple raiders that can read and understand tech.

[mystic plaza]

I don't larp. lmao like I think most factions in FO are cool aesthetically or whatever, and I enjoy seeing how they interact with each other, or within themselves, or for RP purposes with the characters I create but it stops and ends there - but I don't personally inject my IRL views into whatever game I'm playing. Genuinely I think pretty much 99% of the factions should be wiped out, they all suck in my eyes, some more than others, but still. lmao

[carmine quiver]

nah yeah - i've done similar with the BoS; imagine what could have been 😞

[mystic plaza]

The issue is that the Brotherhood was never designed or intended to become a government, people misinterpreate what Roger Maxson wanted. He didn't want a new government, or to establish a new society system.

He did genuinely believe that technology was too dangerous in the hands of others. He just didn't believe in isolating the Faction in order to safeguard the technology. The divergence occurs mainly when people misconstrue what he wanted - "Maxson's intention was to maintain the Brotherhood as an organization that worked closely with people outside of its ranks, as protectors of civilization rather than its gatekeepers."
People also tend to forget he was the minority, even in it's founding. A lot, and I mean a lot of people did not share his views - which is why they were quickly abandoned.

He wanted the military force to be protectors operating on a level that kept technology out of harms way, that protected civilization from itself. But he was never intending to establish things beyond that in an official capacity for like a government, or state-system. This is one of the Brotherhood's flaws. They are, and always will be paramilitary. Which is why humanitarian efforts, while fostering good-will, and seen as a net-positive by Wastelanders, and others - Majority who are insulated within the Brotherhood's culture hate this idea. Even under Lyon's, Outcasts aside - not everyone internally was onboard with what he was doing. They just didn't openly contest him like Casdin did.

[pulsar lintel]

The Brotherhood are founded on the principle of protecting humanity from itself until a worthy power comes to be, but it’s never defined what that’s actually supposed to look like

FO1’s endings treat the NCR as that power but obviously the story went in a different direction afterwards

The Brotherhood elder council and high elder would have to unanimously agree to integrate and give up their power for this to take place which is just not how humans work generally, especially when your ideology is inherently supremacist and isolationist

Roger gets a lot of glaze by the fandom but even if he wanted to help people what he built is inherently extremely flawed if his goals weren’t just to monopolize power under the BoS.

[mystic plaza]

Yeah he does. I don't think he's bad, but I think his guilt is misrepresented by fans who try to twist it into repentance not realizing that he created a flawed order - and knowingly so given Taggerdy and his Son disagreed with his view. Their views were the majority, unfortunately. Unfortunately for Maxon's case he didn't really plan for contingencies or have a well-thought out plan for the Brotherhood to advance its goals. It was just an idea around an Order, at the end of the day.

And I believe that most respected him on the basis of him being the Founder when he was alive, but we see as he passed away - how quickly that shifted after his death due to the differentiating views and ideas around the Brotherhood.

[lilac raven]

Right, it's fascinating to see it fall apart over the timeline, it's like a butterfly's wings flapping to create a hurricane elsewhere, small, and then gradually going down into degradation and eventual collapse of the entire ideological group. Makes me wonder if the Followers of the Apocalypse are doing well in this timeline.

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Why

cold fusion would be infinite money if they found a way to cut it off to people

[violet elm]

Cold fusion, infinite energy but don't expect it to be free regardless if the energy itself can even run out

[versed relic]

Yeah so thats infinite money lol

[violet elm]

whoever controls it, has power over even the most powerful faction

[queen swift]

And Cooper gave it to HOUSE
I wonder why House was so desperate when he got infinite power.

[patent dagger]

Because really it only keeps him alive till the enclave decide to claim it, by the looks of it his securitron army is gone

[pearl ferry]

cooper makes him desperate, we know this

[queen swift]

WOAH WOAH WHAT

I think I read that wrong

[pearl ferry]

lolol we all know house has a crush, dont be silly

[carmine quiver]

yes "desperate" 😏

[pearl ferry]

i love doomed mlm

[queen swift]

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@oak wasp

[brisk igloo]

Walton Goggins really is the most underrated actor in Hollywood

With the Fallout show, he’s getting more love, but the guy has some phenomenal roles in his lineup

[sacred idol]

I hate seeing him in every Walmart commercial now. I feel like Fallout boosted his popularity a little too much

[brisk igloo]

Oh well, Goggins will catch a break

[sacred idol]

He's a phenomenal actor, don't get me wrong. But companies want to milk him.

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Walmart know selling ass jerky

[compact bramble]

Make energy shots in the form of that anti-feral serum he’s always shooting 🤣

[lilac raven]

Fallout timeline and our timeline getting a liiiiittle too close for comfort.

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Is it just me or does beta house kinda look like the body double

[carmine quiver]

he looks like a fnaf animatronic wtf

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Lmao

[sacred idol]

He looks like the Smiling Man from 76

[mystic plaza]

They tried to make him look more like Howard Hughes.

[violet elm]

Creppy ass mfker

ngl it would've made house more intimidating if he was the final result

[carmine quiver]

he looks like he has pissed in bottles and taken a sip once out of curiosity… idk how else to describe the weird aura he gives off

okay the "aura" is mainly just severe mental illness

but like the kind of mental illness that would lead one to take a sip of piss

call me psychic the way i predicted the piss bottles jars 😭😭

piss drawer? ❌
piss floor? ✅

[mystic plaza]

When you dig into the stuff about Howard Hughes, do not be surprised. When I said months ago he was mentally unhinged, I meant it. lol

While yes, he was a recluse, there's a few Starlet interviews you can probably find - quite a bit of women talked about their experiences with him.

[carmine quiver]

did he make any of them piss on the floor? 😭

[compact bramble]

I have often wished for a bed that would handle pissing for me so I didn’t have to wake up 🤔

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You can buy a catheter you know right?

[brisk igloo]

Hm

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Someone needs to draw mr krabs as the president

[quick walrus]

Consider it done