EPISODE 8

[carmine path]

To show they are willing to do it

[eternal temple]

by this logic, the US and China aren't what starts the war, it's Vault-Tec behind the scenes going "nyeheheheh" like cartoon villains

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which breaks the main theme

[rare path]

That better be the opening scene for season 2

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It doesn't need to be

[eternal temple]

it's really awful writing
"war never changes?" nah, people are actually normal and decent. everything bad is secretly vault-tec going "nyeheheheh"

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^

Bar 76, every games conflict is due to people refusing to trust and cooperate with each other

[carmine path]

My washer machine broke must be vault tec plot to gain control

[eternal temple]

nuked shady sands? one vault-tec guy going "nyeheheheh"
nuked world? "nyeheheheh"
it'll probably turn out in s2 that vault-tec invented caesar's legion because nyeheheheh

[carmine path]

Ceaser is one of buds buds

[eternal temple]

it was me Lucy I untied your shoelaces and made you trip over them

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Removing responsibility from people for the state of the world kills Fallout's themes completely fr

[rare path]

I mean they could next season have coop find his wife and she explains to him that they didn’t launch the nukes

[carmine path]

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I already told you why it's impossible they did

[carmine path]

Well they dident the chance to China nuked first

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You're asking for them to dumb it down for no reason

[rare path]

I’m on your side with that point

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Her daughter being in her father's custody means it's impossible. She'd otherwise know and not have her with him

[eternal temple]

the plot was always that China launched first. China didn't need convincing or bribing to launch. The decade-long war with tactical nuclear use gave them all the reason they'd need

[rare path]

Coop would’ve thought they launched the nukes

[rare path]

I’m not saying vault tech launched the nukes

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It doesn't matter if they did though

Vault Tec are irredeemable

[rare path]

(I will say I was saying that earlier)

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Them even suggesting it is irredeemable

He's not gonna give a fuck if they didn't or did

[rare path]

My new guess is that they planned too launch them some how and then the actual Nukes where launched

I feel like coops wife is probably in vault 33

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Sorry 31

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She wasn't in the training program

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I got a feeling next season is gunna be another goose chase for Hank and than they’ll do another season where they actually find his wife

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He'll probably shoot her

[rare path]

Probably yea

I mean the fact coop says “where my fucking family” instead of “where’s my fucking wife” leads me to believe his daughter lived somehow

[rare path]

But I feel like coops daughter would be with coop if she didn’t die

Also if she is still alive I feel like she probably looks a lot like how rose did in the finale

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He probably got her to vault tec and got left

[rare path]

Imagine being a child and a you see like 6 nukes go off and than you just get dumped in a random ass vault and never see your dad again

[rare acorn]

Noticed at the vault tec meeting they mentioned rumoured peace deals

So maybe these guys just greased the palms of politicians involved with that

[hollow cosmos]

wouldn't take much "Hey, imagine all your competition is dead and you can create your own city/society whatever, we have vaults for you"

[brittle vortex]

Good.god.i hope we get some courier worship next season

More than likely it will be a single throwaway line from house about a previous employee he had

[rare acorn]

Doubt house is alive

[scenic salmon]

please no courier worship

thats like fanfic writing

[carmine path]

I don't want couriers meat ridden in s2

[rare path]

Or just payement

Also it could be a critique on modern America and corrupt politicians

[shadow moat]

So season 2 is new Vegas?

[warm ermine]

It will show up at least

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Season 3 will end up being mexico or something

[smoky hill]

in season 3 they need to return to the theory that Aliens were behind the nukes and then have everyone collectively say that its a rediculous notion

[rare path]

New Vegas takes place 15 years before the show

[rare acorn]

And

[rare path]

Doesn’t house die in new Vegas?

[rare acorn]

Yea 3/4 endings

They said they weren't going to reveal the ending of NV tho so I think house will still be dead, even if he won in NV

[gray mason]

you can disable him doesnt mean he's dead

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He says the germ exposure limits his lifespan severely

[gray mason]

oh right yea

[brittle vortex]

not actual worship but like, there should b some kinda reference to him

them*

if anything i wish we got a reference to the original vault dweller, not that many people would remember that this one person did all that but idk some kind of reverence would be neat

[normal crater]

vault dweller generally deserves the worship tbh, he duked it out in the wasteland when it was still a complete horror show and partially helped created the NCR

the courrier seems too amoral for a fallout protagonist

His main stick is being king maker, which isn't exactly the work of a true hero

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Also revenge

Which is a contrast to every other protagonist

I'm surprised the courier's first instinct was going after the guy tbf

[normal crater]

IDK, that motive is justifiable

eye for an eye is an amoral course of actions for me

Anyway this also bring up how much railroaded new vegas is

It's an (good) illusion of choices

[little condor]

Yeah, you'd think those NCR fellas would've been worshipping the Vault Dweller instead of Moldaver. Like, bro, the former's the fella who helped lay the foundations for the NCR by saving Tandi and stopping the Master; they even had a statue of themselves in Shady Sands before Hank's little temper tantrum. What exactly about Moldy outdoes that even remotely?

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Communism

[little condor]

Careful not to let Liberty Prime hear that.

[weary aspen]

They gunna need to pick an ending for NV

We all know it, I know it, Bethesda knows it

[little condor]

Eh, they could just go with a general 'don't matter who won because X', whether X be Tunnelers or Yes Man going Skynet.

Even though it'd be kind of a wishy-washy move; what's so bad with just picking an ending and going off of that?

[small linden]

New Vegas fans are annoying

[scenic salmon]

because it would seem like making it what the "best" ending is to some people

[little condor]

But wouldn't a 'whatever ending you picked didn't matter, shit hit the fan, war never changes'-type ending stink even worse for some folks, hypothetically speaking?

[hexed cosmos]

Well we saw what happened after the Shady Sands in the fanbase

it would probably be worse

Honestly I would prefer it if somehow Vegas was still fully functioning

[little condor]

Same, coupled with a House outcome, if only to add extra faction conflict.

[hexed cosmos]

I think New Vegas is too interesting a location just to have it destroyed

[carmine path]

Well they just chouldent read a timeline

[hexed cosmos]

TBF they did word it horrible

If they said "Decline of Shady Sands" and not "Fall of Shady Sands" it would've been more obvious

Cause Fall implies it was lost immediatly

[scenic salmon]

i think that fall of shady sands refers to kimballs election

[little condor]

Or even just "Decline of the NCR". Like, the NCR wasn't just Shady Sands, it had quite a few other cities by 2281.

[carmine path]

It dident say fall of ncr pepole acting like a fall,of one city means death of the ncr

[scenic salmon]

it shouldve just said decline

[carmine path]

Fans whould have still gone apeshit anywas

[hexed cosmos]

I mean considering that it was THE captitol and we only saw a handful of remnants calling themselves the NCR it is easy to think that. The show doesnt make it obvious otherwise

honestly maybe they shouldn't have done it in the west coast at all

[scenic salmon]

we see the NCR declining in fallout new vegas

[hexed cosmos]

Like they did so much with the NCR it might've been better if they just placed it somewhere else and had a new faction

[carmine path]

People act like doing one quest for them fixes all the issues for them

[hexed cosmos]

TBF that is true for most factions

[brittle vortex]

Quick appreciation post for how aggressive max is both intentional and non intentionally

[hexed cosmos]

hehehe

[brittle vortex]

AND NEITHER DO WE 😡😡

[rare path]

I mean when your city is turned into a huge crater and you grow up in a military camp I feel like your gunna be fairly aggressive

[weary aspen]

I doubt it tho, but if i were to pick one, itd be the NCR ending

[normal crater]

Guy's actually very good at non-power armor combat

Managed to get himself out of a 4v1 brawl

Fast and lucky enough to win a 2v1

[hollow cosmos]

So, whos on team "Vault Tec implied they could kick off the war but whoever actually did is still vague"

Honestly, I rather much have the part of who kicked off the great war ambigious

[small linden]

me

[odd marsh]

Them saying that dropping the nuke is a possibility to stay in power, and then actually doing it, are very different things. So, yeah.

[little condor]

At most, maybe they fired off one nuke or hacked the early warning system to trick the US into responding to a fake Chinese launch.

[small linden]

ngl I'm killing the BoS in every playthrough of every game I'm doing from now on including 1 and 2

[hollow cosmos]

The only BOS I respected was in fallout 3, atleast they tried to protect civilians. Fuck the other ones including the outcasts.

[little condor]

Yeah, House and Moore were right all along about the BoS.

Shame the Sole Survivor was too chickenshit to blow that dang blimp out of the sky in 4.

Also makes all of us who chose a NCR-BoS truce route in NV look like complete idiots in retrospect.

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I mean they're a former soldier and probably would've empathised

[little condor]

And now the entire West Coast has to pay for that choice.

[hollow cosmos]

I just realized something about episode 1x4, when Walter sees Lucy drink from irradiated water, he says "How's that golden rule jive going through your mind" or something, my first thought was that he was simply showing Lucy how tough the wasteland is, but then I realized that He knew Vault-tec contributed to the apocalypse, so in his mind, this is his version of "do unto others". Do unto Vault-tec as vault-tec did to him.

[little condor]

And honestly, drinking irradiated water is rather measured all things considered.

[dreamy berry]

Ops-Core FAST helmet is crazy

[rare acorn]

Should've had combat helmets we see in games not modern tech

[dreamy berry]

One guy had it, showrunners decided to equip the rest with modern helmets for... reasons...

[rare acorn]

Oh that's nice

I just assume all the modern looking outfit pieces are cuz they had to save budget for more important stuff

[dreamy berry]

Also, shit

https://tenor.com/view/my-first-girlfriend-turned-into-the-moon-thats-rough-that-rough-buddy-avatar-avatar-the-last-airbender-gif-5710468

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They're extras most people besides turbo nerds would give more than a glance

[carmine path]

That's legit f04 combat helment

[ivory maple]

They're saying that this one is the accurate one but the one in the picture above it is a modern regular helmet instead

[odd marsh]

Keep in mind that Fallout DOES have more 'modern' equipment shown here and there, the 2000s still happened afterall, it's not shown as much.

[small linden]

The skull at the end was a deathclaw, right?

[carmine path]

Looked lik it

[little condor]

Hank's just lucky the Courier presumably cleared out Quarry Junction.

He'd be better off taking the southern route like any other Mojave newcomer.

[carmine path]

Hank will just nuke the deathclaws

[little condor]

Nah, his wife didn't run off to live with Deathclaws.

[rare acorn]

Do you think we'll get to see the Mojave outpost with the 2 Ranger statues

Maybe it'll be like the wild wasteland ending slide where the ranger statues are buried in the sand partially

[scenic salmon]

i hope so

[little condor]

Same with Goodsprings, hopefully.

[rare acorn]

Goodsprings is definitely gotta be in because everyone goes to good springs in NV no matter what

Plus they can use the irl town

[small linden]

That one robot cowboy

[hollow cosmos]

Victor

[little condor]

And of course, the Goodsprings cemetery.

[carmine path]

I like how the,town just has somewhat embraced the comminty

[normal crater]

Yeah and it would be a good place to open a season 2 marketing pre-event

Damn kinda wish I live in the US so I can go to these fallout events

[night vault]

If they do another event in goodsprings I do want to actually attend

Was probably pretty stressful to be a staff member at the saloon to suddenly host a few hundred people

[warm ermine]

Yes they do them yearly

[night vault]

Oh nice, definitely adding that to my bucket list

[warm ermine]

https://www.eventbrite.com/e/fallout-new-vegas-fan-celebration-tickets-773345446047?utm-campaign=social&utm-content=attendeeshare&utm-medium=discovery&utm-term=listing&utm-source=cp&aff=ebdsshcopyurl this isnt show related anymore but yeah thats enough for now

[night vault]

I don't know a lot of people face to face who are hardcore fallout fans like all of us, so it would be a cool experience to actually meet them

[warm ermine]

(its free)

[night vault]

That's dope, also great to support a tiny little business in a tiny little town

I honestly want to go on a whole NV tour, check out the other towns like Nipton and Primm

[small linden]

Pull up in power armor

[hexed cosmos]

You think that them going by Hollywood would be important?

[regal carbon]

i think it was just a joke about everything being sponsored

[hexed cosmos]

I just want Nuka World representation dammit

thats not this

[carmine path]

Context

[small linden]

Nah

[hexed cosmos]

this is official

[hexed cosmos]

Man he just cheating on Cappy like that

[carmine path]

Cappy the next boss fight in 76?

[jade hazel]

So rewatching episode 8

I think Maximus is made a Sentinel

[small linden]

Isn't he made a knight? Or did I miss something

[carmine path]

He's was a knight but the elder was talking about making max his right hand man is number 2

[small linden]

Ohh

Thanks for the clarification

[warm ermine]

He wasn't officially made into anything, just kind of like oh shit lets call him this because that would be a logical advancement for securing this mission or whatever, but yeah he was like let's make our own brotherhood earlier

[rare acorn]

Well tbf Knight titus shows that not all of the BOS with rank care about the BOS or their duty, meanwhile maximus got a name like the founder and he seems to be more into the BOS than most

Plus by making him a higher rank the show runners can now show us things inside the BOS that only higher ranks would see

[steep zealot]

My reaction ||after I found out who nuked Shady Sand.||

||How dare you destroyed the first village of the first fallout game||

[little condor]

||Vault Dweller's no doubt waiting in the afterlife to jump Hank whenever he inevitably ends up there.||

[scenic salmon]

i hope we get more NCR ranger gear since we saw a bit of it in the show

also

i think Vault Tec was GOING to nuke but was beat a couple days early

[little condor]

Yeah, there's no way Coop's wife would've let her daughter be anywhere near the surface on October 23rd if VT was behind the nukes.

[rare acorn]

Wdym

In 76? Or what cuz 76 already has all the ranger armor variants

[scenic salmon]

the TV show

[rare acorn]

Oh oops