Glider

[mental forge]

I'll probably tackle adding this tomorrow

[mental forge]

I added in your new meshes and animations to git, couldn't wait 😄

they look great

[mental forge]

just fixed the bug that prevented the glider anim from cancelling early

once the surfing bone is fixed to put the shield under the feet I think we're good for a 1.0 release

ah I have to fix the vfx for the updraft still because of statics

[mental forge]

too many bugs and in workarounds. now only ashmires give you updrafts

[fair junco]

Todd Ex Machina

i adjusted hands in the animation a bit to be more even and closer to shoulder width. i think the placement is pretty good now if you wanted to use it as a template for sizing your model.

[final matrix]

Thanks for the update! So you mean, that your current Racer-Glider model and it's handles didn't change and you just adjusted the animation? If so, could you rather send me a recent model of your glider nif? I can't open non-nif files in my version of nifskope.

[mental forge]

Latest stuff is all in the github

[final matrix]

Yeah and now I also saw the zip file for the most recent versions and animations too

[spare chasm]

Can't wait to see this glider mod for Skyrim and Morrowind

[fair junco]

uh.. definitely not for skyrim anyway haha but we've got it mostly working for morrowind

[fair junco]

ill do beast later, too tired now

its still a janky and the loop is messed up so i need to adjust the keyframes

[fair junco]

can anything be done about the shield on the back? im doing an alternate for 1stP so its not visible on screen. it looks pretty jank in 1st

[mental forge]

I can hide it when in 1st person so you don't need to make a different one

as for the shield on the back, I think you'll need to disable shield sheathing in the settings.

if that's not doable, then I have to unequip the shield while you are surfing

[mental forge]

re-enabled updrafts for lava vents and I also added a draft for those CHIM gate markers

they don't do anything yet, just testing rendering and placement

[fair junco]

Cool, thats a good idea to use them as updraft. Haha I wonder if we should try for some superman rings.

I'll have a look at changing the anim after I do the beasts. I have to reposition the bone when I convert it so I might as well. hiding might be better option but I think I can just rotate a few of the bones so the top half isn't so sideways, i think it might look better anyway. blender is a harsh mistress so we'll see haha

[agile tapir]

Ahh vertical rings maybe

[fair junco]

Vertical? Like for drops?

I was thinking like this mainly. Peak gliding.

Its not actually something I want in my Morrowind but

[final matrix]

You meant it like this mini game from TotK, right?

[fair junco]

still havent played the second one...

[final matrix]

You should! I like even a bit more than BotW, because of building stuff, the sky islands, the underground area and the best part... the ability to throw items

[mental forge]

I've only played BotW too
Apparently Monster Hunter Wilds works on PC now. Excited to try that out

Updrafts are not working now for some reason 😩

[fair junco]

i think i've cracked it! it looks as good as it feels now, 1stP is sick! shield looks good and the speed and loop jiggle are smoothed out. i even managed to fix the octopus fingers
the wierd thing is that 3rdP is using the speed of the animation so its like fixed at full speed but 1stP is actually using the momentum mechanic so its a lot more simulation.
Also there's a shieldgrab1 keyframe set for doing a board grab while jumping, idk if you can do anything with it but it should be good for future testing at least. i want to upload a vid but it'll take too long atm because its almost half a minute long 👀

[mental forge]

Sweeeet
I'll check later today

Strange about 1st/3rd differences

[fair junco]

yeah its bizarre, idk if there is a way to decouple it the speed from the animation. its still super fun but it feelss more like a jet board

cant figure out how to make the cylinders transparent though.. i keep having this issue

[mental forge]

wow it's so weird how differently it plays in first person vs third!

pushed up your animation changes and the ashmire fix

[mental forge]

it's probably some hidden nif node or material property

[mental forge]

once I figure out this speed problem we can tune in the knobs and get 1.0 out 😄

[mental forge]

#lua-scripting message

[tepid parrot]

s3kshun.8

I'd hazard a guess maybe you exported at the wrong framerate.

Linked by @​blurpblurp from #lua-scripting · Apr 1, 2026, 3:04 AM

[mental forge]

Maybe it has to do with how I'm cancelling the running animation

[final matrix]

@fair junco Just for my understanding, since I'm currently trying to put some additional handles to the dwemer glider, so your animations align with it. As you can see, our version is facing in the opposite directions, because I originally assigned the glider model to the hair slot and just send it how it is to blurpandra. I would turn the model around now according to your racer version, right? Or would it make any difference actually?
Even if it's just a minor thing, I just want to make it easier for both of you 😅

[fair junco]

oh yeah i assume so it will need some adjusting to fit. the new bone that the glider attaches to had to be turned around, i forgot to test with your dwemer glider. did you try it?
i think my glider nif actually needs to be adjusted a little bit up to fit properly but its close. mine is made on whatever orientation cliffracers are naturally 😅

[final matrix]

No worries. I'm aligning it to your's now and we figuere it out later. Haven't tested it in-game yet, but I'm gonna send you the nif file soon, so you can check for yourself 😉

[final matrix]

Alright, here are two versions (of the fully upgraded version). One that still has your Racer Glider handles for oriantation and one without. I just pasted the whole main ninode of the dwemer glider into the racer one out of convenience.
You can just put the files in to the usual ErnGlider meshes folder, the textures from blurpandras past uploads should still work.

[fair junco]

awesome, thanks ill check em out! :)

[fair junco]

@final matrix looks great!

[final matrix]

Yeah, better than I expected 🔥
If I noticed it correctly, especially on the second picture, the glider needs to be positioned just a tiny bit higher and a little bit forward to really align with the hands, right?

I just guessed the positioning based on your picture

[fair junco]

yeah, and slightly rotated i think. its the same for the racer glider

[fair junco]

oh ill check that

[final matrix]

Didn't included the rotation yet, though.

Rotated it 10 units now. From -180 to -170

[fair junco]

wrong way :D

height looks good though

the handles are really cool

[mental forge]

[mental forge]

Lol you're using the head mod

22 unique downloads on that one, just surprised to see it

[fair junco]

haha yeah i made a retexture with the pixel versions i was messing with. hope you dont mind i just put it on my modpage, i meant to ask before i hit save but its up there now
notice the eyebrow? i added it to the earing animation

oh its not there on those screens actually

[mental forge]

Oh you're totally free to remix and reupload any of my stuff. Just can't change the license

[fair junco]

😂

[mental forge]

Lol so the eyebrows dance left right all the time 🤣

[final matrix]

Ah damn, probably because of the reversed way the model is shown in nifskope. Maybe Now?

And I'm glad that these simple vanilla dwemer levers fit perfectly for it.

[fair junco]

yeah looks good, nice one. i tried adjusting the bone but its way too fiddly so this is the way

idk if it maybe could be slightly back towards the middle or if im overanalysing it

[final matrix]

Great and don't stress yourself with trying to adjust the animation again. Let me do the way easier fiddling with the gilder itself this time haha
I put it slighty in the direction to where it was originally.

[fair junco]

perfect 👌

[final matrix]

Alright, then I'm also gonna make the less advanced version now, based on this.

[fair junco]

awesome

[final matrix]

@mental forge These are the updated models to be integraded into the files for the mod 🙂

[mental forge]

Do you want me to replace the old ones or make these a variant?

[mental forge]

I have a wedding to attend this weekend so that speed fix is gonna have to wait a bit longer

[final matrix]

Depends. If you want to release the mod using dubiousnpc‘s animations (and being able to shield surf because of it) exclusively, then yes.
If you also want to have an alternate version of the mod without those too (with the player using it’s vanilla falling animation while gliding and no surfing), then keep the old glider nif files as well, because those have no handles, but a backpack for connecting the player with the glider instead.

Hmm or maybe we release them as completely separate mods anyway. You know I originally wanted to upload the original glider models as a light weight mod like this. No custom animations, no surfing, lua scripts or openmw dependency. Just the models, a slow fall + speed enchantment and being placed in the world.

[fair junco]

Whatever you prefer. Tr glider anims aren't related to the surfing anims, it's kept separate, but yeah whichever you want

Can do both too

[final matrix]

Good to know.
I‘m open for both, but maybe blurpandra doesn’t want to have additional versions and ESPs to clutter her mod page.
Originally the backpack was just a workaround for me to have an attachment to the player and being used in tandem to my ridable dwemer cricket model.
(Searching for a screenshot now to show you)

[fair junco]

Yeah I think I remember seeing that, it looked like a cool idea. Yeah no obligations, it's not even an esp, just an optional mesh replacer so really no big deal. But aye, if blurp has preferences well gp with that 🤷

No stress anyway

[final matrix]

Cricket alone and in combination with the backpack glider version.

You feel like Teo from Avatar the last Airbender with the two combined

[fair junco]

Haha yeah that's awesome

Not saying we should but i just had a visual image that would be hilarious to use the cricket as the shield surfing animation but with the legs moving really fast

[final matrix]

Oh tell me more, I‘m hyped

[fair junco]

I might have to look into it just so I could see.. 😂 it would be the strangest mount

But aye @final matrix do you have any mods released? Because your glider and cricket combo would make a good one I reckon, modathon is coming up 🤷 can always do your own version and one for this if you had your own idea

[final matrix]

Probably, I mean these are just pants haha
But since „ancient advances technology“ is part of the lore, you can use it as reasoning for anything in that direction

[fair junco]

The old guar rider mods were just pants too

[final matrix]

Though about it actually. I just have to check if I have enough time to make it really working for anyone. I haven’t found a solution for the player’s static-sitting-pants-mimicking for example. For now the cricket model has sitting pants that my character uses exclusively. If I would play for example a Breton Knight in plate armor, I would need to model the greaves and boots as a separate version for that too.

Same vibe...?

[fair junco]

Yeah I see, maybe you could make it a blanket to mimic Teo's look

[final matrix]

Something like this or dwemer boots the player would lock into. Maybe having common pants as upper legs but with some minor attachments to the sides or so.
Yeah I have to make up my mind and try out different approaches.

[fair junco]

Yeah there's lots of ways to approach it. You could have a look at the recent animated horse riding mod if you want to go that route

[final matrix]

Have to check it out! Besides that I don't really know how to code and definitely not how to animate and I assume even if I would, it the whole riding might become less fluid and versatile. Currently you can just use a hotkey to put it on and off, do sudden turns, jump, ect. "because just pants" obviously 😅
There a probably pros an cons on both side. Best case would might be if the person who is onto their new Guar riding mod (even with mounting animations) come to the point of a first release. Then my mod could learn from it.
Did you saw that one?

[fair junco]

That was for mwse wasn't it? With the mounting animation at least. Yeah the animated horse mod is basically what your describing just with some smoke and mirrors.

But I get that it's a lot

I haven't figured it out fully yet either

But if i do figure it out I could see about fitting it with your model. No promises but it looks doable and Im going to try to understand it anyway because there's lots could be done with it

Crash course in animation has been wild but its really cool being able to consider it as an option

[final matrix]

Btw. I'm still curious, if it would be technically possible to atttach a model of the running animation of the winged twilight onto your hanging player one (like this)

[fair junco]

Lmao I'm not sure what your asking

Who'd be running?

Or I it for the wings?

[final matrix]

Not asking really, just curious.
It should be the same way like your current animation functions. The player is falling and can move freely. The twilight model works like a glider, but with it's "flying" animation on loop.

[raw zephyr]

Hmm, with some fakery maybe, if you attach twilight mes as vfx, claude told me some time ago that playBlended on an actor should check and play anims on attached meshes

But also since winged twilight probably got bones of same name as actor you probably will have some amazingly cursed things happening and engine crashing

But also if you make another nif with dif bone names and dif animation group name so nothing conflicts with actor bone and groupnames

Then maybe MAYBE that cursed abomination will work haha

[fair junco]

Haha yeah making a new copy with flapping as it's base animation is probably the right direction. I want to do something like that anyway to see if I can animate some fabric wind wobble

[agile tapir]

Just got a oversized cape flying on the back pop up in my head soon as you said fabric

[final matrix]

If you’re able to make the fabric animation thing possible, we could also add these moving ribbons of the TotK gliders onto the Zelda glider model I want to make in the future.

[fair junco]

Yeah exactly, probably would be hard to make those look good without some physics but if they were smaller and a pit more subtle could maybe do something like that recent cloak mod

[mental forge]

#lua-scripting message
might have to just force third person movement when surfing

[tepid parrot]

blurpblurp

I'm still getting weird movement behavior in 1st vs 3rd person when using exactly the same animation in both that has root movement. 3rd person is crazy fast, 1st person is very slow. I think 1st person movement is either ignoring root bone movement or 3rd person is combining root bone movement plus some other type of movement

Linked by @​blurpblurp from #lua-scripting · Apr 3, 2026, 6:19 PM

[fair junco]

hmm i guess so :/
thats a bit of a shame, at least it does feel good in first

[mental forge]

I'll try using the animation interface with priority instead like Arrean did. maybe it will work fine

[median canyon]

I dunno if that is strictly correct way to do that

docs say both animation.playBlended and I.animationcontroller.playBlendedAnimation are a bit sus

but - that was minimally reproducibly example I could do

and that's what I do for N'Garde, but all my animations are without movement.

priority "Scripted" howevr, should override any other animations and let you do your thing

[mental forge]

Scripted wasn't the magic bullet

your test was from a standing position right? you weren't moving forward with the keyboard or controller?

[median canyon]

I wasn't

I can re-test

Or, ofc, you can just add a "onKeyPressed" with the same code

[fair junco]

thats what the animation would look like just playing straight, unlooped

[mental forge]

I don't know guys it's beating me

[median canyon]

I don't know enough to help
Happy to be the rubber duck. But one thing I'm not clear about - which behaviour is intended? The one exhibited in 1st or 3rd person?

[mental forge]

I can make either work. I just need it to be consistent 🫠

Really not sure what's up with it. I tried forcing controller input to be 0 and that was no good

[median canyon]

how are you handling speed?

through controls.movement?

Actually, nvm, I'll just read the code before I get any bright ideas, or ask any dumb questions :P

[mental forge]

varying speed is handled through controls.movement, yeah
for changing max speed there's a constant effect Speed and Athletics boost as well as an animation Speed option change

[median canyon]

I mean...
does local first = camera.getMode() == camera.MODE.FirstPerson help?
can tune the speed multipliers between the two.
You don't allow switching the camera view while moving anyway

[mental forge]

yeah that could work in a pinch, doesn't actually address the root cause of what the heck is going on though

[median canyon]

I know

[mental forge]

also would take a lot of guess and check to get it similar

different stats and encumberance might change the ratio; might not be linear in all cases

[median canyon]

oh yeah, that too.
And the weirdest part being that the animation itself plays at the same speed in 1st and 3rd if isolated :/

[mental forge]

• setting animation speed to 1 in both cases doesn't fix it
• not disabling run animation doesn't fix it
• forcing controller move input to 0 breaks it

[fair junco]

Oof, that's nuts. forced first person is looking like a better option

[final matrix]

Did I understand that right that 1st an 3rd person movement/gliding/surfing speed is different?

[mental forge]

Just surfing but yeah

[final matrix]

I mean can you adjust the surfing speed for the different perspectives independently? Sorry if I‘m asking dumb questions, because of my lack of knowledge in that direction 😅
I thought maybe forcing 3rd person would be better in this case If you would have to choose which perspective’s speed you want to adjust.

[mental forge]

Yeah I'd want to default to 3rd to show off the animations at least

[mental forge]

When I replace shieldgo with shieldgrab1 (which doesn't have root movement):

• third person doesn't move forward at all
• first person moves forward

With shieldgrab1 and controls.movement = 0, no movement on either

With shieldgo and controls.movement = 0, consistent and really fast movement on both

so I guess I'm going to force movement to 0 and rely totally on animation root movement. throw away controller movement

that means shieldl and shieldr need to apply root movement in a way similar to runleft and runright

also I need to manually reduce fatigue and grant athletics skill

I actually don't know if can I blend left/right

checking

[fair junco]

so does that mean that your going to use the animation for consistent fast movement? its not just the speed, for me there was no momentum , like it moves the same over flat ground as down slopes. it would make more sense as a hover board, the 1stp motion actually felt more like movement with friction

[mental forge]

I'm messing with varying the anim speed right now

should feel like 1st person

[fair junco]

ah so youve solved it?

[mental forge]

I hope so, checking now

[fair junco]

cool well let me know what you need from the anims, i was messing around with rm in the turns bbefore but havent touched it in a while since you were using the sneak

[fair junco]

it was more a matter of which one was working at the time

[final matrix]

I see

[fair junco]

i prefer first person personally but i did put a lot of work into the animations so it would be nice to have both 😅

[mental forge]

forward movement is consistent now, but it totally busted drifting.
one step forward, two back I guess

[final matrix]

Would be sad to not have it visible in the end after all the effort

[mental forge]

even turning is busted

I wonder if I can just change "player movement ignores animation"

omg that was it

[digital lantern]

🙏

[mental forge]

now all I have to do is fix the speed boost spell effects

[median canyon]

Did you enable or disable it?

[mental forge]

enable ignore

[median canyon]

I've seen Capo say that that option is bad, and it may be better if it was gone. Just FYI

no context on why though

[mental forge]

like we won't be able to ignore animation?

[median canyon]

Ah, nvm. It's https://discordapp.com/channels/260439894298460160/260443579908882434/1482459042768093355 this convo, but I think I misread

[tepid parrot]

capocat

player movement ignores animation being turned on would actually cause this

Linked by @​.arrean from #troubleshooting · Mar 14, 2026, 7:22 PM

[mental forge]

great

well if they want to get rid of that setting at some point, someone else can patch this mod

[mental forge]

pushed up fixes and @final matrix 's new glider meshes

please mess around with it; this is the final testing phase before release

[final matrix]

Nice! Could share your github link again for the download?

[fair junco]

https://github.com/ernmw/ErnGlider

woo! nicely done :D
here's some improved race icons ✨

i made them properly 3d

[final matrix]

Very cool! Do they "hover" in place, similar to item boxes from mario kart for example?

[fair junco]

they also rotate

[final matrix]

Do I have to use the 0.51 dev build of openmw? I'm still on 0.50.
Surfing works fine, the script for the gliding mechanic also functions without any issue, but the glider itself don't show up and the gliding animation don't play.

[fair junco]

did you get a little message that said "you didnt install the glider mod correctly"?

the folder names have changed slightly DwemerGlider to Dwemer Glider

[final matrix]

Not from what I noticed. Where should that pop up?

[fair junco]

its a little messgebox just when you load in, its what just happened to me

[final matrix]

I used the openmw data directory method and assigned ErnGlider-main, 00 Core and 01 Dwemer Glider btw

[fair junco]

idk then, thats the best i got

[final matrix]

Hmm, well then I'll have to try out other stuff.

Besides that, my current character uses this bonemold gondolier helmet as a shield in combat (I translated it into a shield model) and because of this mod, now also for surfing. Love it

[final matrix]

These little guys are looking a bit more "saturated" for me 😅

When I assign 01 Racer Glider instead of 01 Dwemer Glider in the directory instead, I get the animations at least...

[fair junco]

wierd, something going on with the bone 🤔 its working for me, maybe load order?

[fair junco]

that shield is awesome

[fair junco]

yeah that was my first attempt. i didnt know about alpha blending to make it transparent

but its better as full 3d

you can just drop in the files i posted to replace

i dont think they do anything yet though

[final matrix]

Thanks! Maybe a bit small while surfing in comparison to the normal sized shields though. But for me it's alright.

Trying to hide the sheathed one on the back, would probbably require more stressful tinkering and wizardry right?
Maybe something to look into in the futere after a first release.

[final matrix]

It's loaded at the very last spot. Or should I place it more to the beginning?

[fair junco]

i don't know, sorry. it shouldn't really matter but if it was last than that should have been fine

[fair junco]

yeah we talked about hiding the shield on back, i think blur said it was possible, wizardy doesn't seem to be out of her skill range

yeah i thought the shields might be showing a little bit small but i wasn't sure if it was my imagination

[final matrix]

While editing the helmet and shield models I shrinked them, so that the helmet version won't glitch with weapons that are worn on the back. The vanilla and Tamriel_Data sized helmets, translated into a shield would be big enough for immersive surfing I think.

Would be funny as a little mod idea to wear one of those helmets and as soon as you draw your weapon it gets removed from your head and spawns in your hand as a shield (I use hotkeys to simulate that currently). I think this might be even possible in morrowind scripts from the construction set.

[fair junco]

haha that would be awesome

[final matrix]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kung-lao-mk

And after that, make it a respawning throwing weapon

[mental forge]

I think the only way to make the shield bigger is to make the bone bigger or something. There's nothing in the vfx that would let me scale it

I'll have to check meshes on my side 👀

[fair junco]

im still having the thing with 1stP, do i need to uncheck the option in the launcher?
in 1st its really fun, the speed builds up well but i think momentum should decay faster when on more level ground and especially when going uphill. if it drags you to a crawl on an uphill with a speed boost right away after, it might feel more like cutting on a wave 🤔

[mental forge]

Yeah you need to change your settings, it's in the updated readme.

Good feedback about decay!

Speed decays slower for heavier shields btw

Heavier shields also accelerate slower, they are generally faster, and they take more condition damage.
Lighter shields decay less with sharp turns

[final matrix]

No worries, if it won’t work out that easily. The mod wasn’t designed for smaller shields 😅

[fair junco]

ah thats sick, yeah i've been testing with an iron shield in the velothi mountains so im getting a good bit of speed up

[mental forge]

pushed up the new CHIM checkpoints, fixed the dwemer hang glider, increased friction decay, and increased down-slope momentum gain

[mental forge]

just pushed up bonuses for hitting gates

[fair junco]

its feeling great now! you can really carve up the slopes.

[mental forge]

Yay! Anyone want to make a demo video on YT for the mod page?

[fair junco]

tweaked shield anims for a smoother loop

ill see if i can upload a viddy

i'm enjoying the shieldl and shieldr atm. their subtle, maybe too subtle, it would be cool to use both those and the sneak arms interchangeably somehow

[fair junco]

https://youtu.be/M_W1O1gEaMs

my glider isnt showing up for some reason 🤔

[mental forge]

I just checked all 3 of your models and they work

[fair junco]

hmm..

[mental forge]

@final matrix what's your nexus account again?

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58596

🥳

[agile tapir]

Ahhh the nexus release

[mental forge]

Trying to upload 1.1.0 that has some fixes, but Nexus is being very uncooperative

whew, there it is

[final matrix]

It’s Semaroro 🙂

[fair junco]

Woooo!

[final matrix]

Many Cliff Racers and Dwemer Automatons died in the making of this

[fair junco]

started rebuilding the racer glider from scratch. it remains to be seen if it will turn out ok. blender psychosis is real, mad respect to the MOP/Atlas folks 😅

[final matrix]

I can see the vision already, looks really nice

[fair junco]

thanks! its much closer to what i originally envisioned.

[fair junco]

hey i just uploaded an alternative archive to the nexus, can you try it?

regarding your issue with the download. im not seeing any issue with it 🤷 but sometimes 7z works better

[final matrix]

Thanks, now the preview display, download and unzipping the files works fine. 👌

[fair junco]

nice!

[final matrix]

I can imagine!
The original being „just“ a Cliff Racer‘s carcass is still funny though.

[fair junco]

haha yeah it has its charm

[final matrix]

@mental forge Am I supposed to install the mod like this or should I manually put/intergrade the files from 01 Dwemer Glider into 00 Core and then assign it through the data directory?
The mod as a whole works fine, animations are being shown too, but the glider model is still missing while in the air.

[fair junco]

Its not showing for me either. I'm pretty sure manually integrating the folders won't help, usually at best just makes updating harder, but 🤷

[fair junco]

Did you name it Slopes and Skies so you could add X Tricky to it later?

[mental forge]

Argh this release is not as smooth as I hoped with the corrupt file! Thanks for fixing it Dubious

I'm surprised you're both getting issues with the glider model 😵‍💫

[mental forge]

Honestly I just didn't want to rename it from Glider and that popped into my head 😆

[fair junco]

public release is the last stage of QA. it wasn't even corrupt, i literally just repacked it.

yeah its weird about the gliders though. i think it happened on the last git update before release, when you added the third glider option

[mental forge]

I just installed direct from git and the racer gliders are working fine 😩

no idea what this reported error is: "Now there is a mismatch error. Requested 331, got 344. "

[mental forge]

😩 I don't like bug reports

[raw zephyr]

hey, sry can you explain shortly whats the proper way to add extra bones to armature (im assuming you did it for a shield and glider), are you just adding extra bones to the corresponding animations , or you have a separate nif file that serves as a kind of bone definition file where its only a skeelton with new bones added and no anim

[fair junco]

i would add the bone in edit mode in Blender and then export it with the animation and clean up the nif afterwards, all the ik targets and stuff were getting baked in so i removed them and then add NiStringExtraData with the tag BONE to the added bone. so its all baked into the animation. would it be better to add the skeleton seperately? i guess it would make iterating a bit easier, but is there performance benefit?

@mental forge i fixed the glider not showing up by unchecking Preview if stand still option in OpenMW Camera settings

[raw zephyr]

Oh, is it necessary to add that NiStringExtraData for the bone to be recognised as an extra bone?

[mental forge]

It gets optimized out by the engine if you don't tag it that way. The root ancestor of your bone must also be the bip01 bone (not the ik root or unrooted)

[fair junco]

btw i noticed the shield animation seems to be playing a loop between shieldgo: start and shieldgo: loop start instead of going form loop start to loop stop so the loop is very short, is that intentional? or have i messed up the keys?

[mental forge]

That wasn't intentional, i wonder if it's an openmw bug?

[mental forge]

I gotta debug the glider quest
Working with dialogue is such a pain

[fair junco]

yeah, whats gone wrong it?

[mental forge]

I think I need more entries so people's hands are held more

I think the conditions work now in 1.1.0

[mental forge]

wow it's totally busted

[mental forge]

pushed up quest dialogue changes

[mental forge]

Yay it looks like all the bugs are fixed

[final matrix]

Even though everything else works completely fine, none of the different glider versions show up while in the gliding animation. Doesn't matter if I assign the Core and for example Racer folders separately to the directory or merge the folders 🥲

[mental forge]

Do you have openmw camera 360 move turned o

[final matrix]

Is this a setting featured only in the newest 0.51. version?

All these animation settings I can see here are on.

[mental forge]

It's in mod settings I think

[fair junco]

its in-game settings. in the pause menu scripts/OpenMW Camera - Preview if stand still = No

[final matrix]

Found it, it wasn’t toggled to = Yes
Now it is, still visible glider animations but no glider

Is it really necessary to upgrade to 0.51.?
I mean I could try as a last resort, but last time I did an upgrade from 0.49. to 0.50. it broke some mods and shaders, so I‘m a bit concerned 😅

[fair junco]

you can have multiple installs and just run whatever, you dont need to overwrite openmw if you want to try the newest

idk if thats it but worth a shot.

[final matrix]

Gonna try now 👍

[final matrix]

Installed it. Still no glider model 🫠
No idea what’s the problem on my end.
It works normally for you now, right?

[mental forge]

Turn on debug logging and look at the console please

[final matrix]

How do I access that mode again?

Was it that ori command?

[mental forge]

Open up Glider mod settings. It's in there somewhere
The console log is the stdout of openmw

[final matrix]

Turned on debug mode in the glider script settings and ended the game.

stdout? Do you mean the openmw.log file or something similar?

Sorry if I‘m asking a bit dumbly questions, my brain is fried from the day.

[mental forge]

I just start openmw from the terminal in windowed mode. Then you see the logs in the terminal

[final matrix]

I did that now (I’m on mac btw if that’s important), started openmw from the terminal, but it doesn’t update with new logs after the app starts to run and me entering the game. Not even after closing openmw.

[final matrix]

Can only send the openmw.log for now, maybe there is something in there that could give a hint. Have to go to sleep now anyways.

[mental forge]

No missing bone errors 😵‍💫

[fair junco]

so bizarre

[mental forge]

Do you have a body replacer?

[median canyon]

Start openmw as normal,

open the log dir in terminal ( helps if you have a second monitor)
tail -f openmw.log

iirc tail should work on macos, if not - there definitely is an equivalent command

Just in case it's stll relevant

[final matrix]

No, I‘m using the vanilla body model. You used the player‘s head/hair to put on the glider as vfx, right?

[final matrix]

Gonna try that out tomorrow 👍

Thank both of you, for still having hope for me 🙏 😅

[mental forge]

Your backpack glider is attached to the neck

[final matrix]

Ok I‘ll keep that in mind if anything might have been edited by me in terms of my character.
And my other Dwemer glider model with the handles? Is it attached to the neck too?

[final matrix]

@fair junco You too of course! ❤️
Was just the mentioning for the current moment 🙏

[mental forge]

That one is attached to a new glider bone

[fair junco]

Oops i forgot about the beast animations thats probably it, ill try and sort it 🤞

[fair junco]

ok fixed and i think i fixed the text keys too, but i think i might need to redo the anims for the beasts because his feet are flat 😂 but at least it doesnt explode

however i realised that the glider anim is also busted for beasts but for a totally different reason that i dont know hoe to fix 😭

[mental forge]

Should I replace all of them or just the beast ones?

[fair junco]

all of them, i made a few fixes to the lot

[fair junco]

so yeah the beast glider is currently still jank, i need to consult with the elder council for a fix. the whole thing gets kicked over about 2 metres.
you can see the difference here, i tried moving it but it just explodes

[mental forge]

Weird! Thank you for the fixes though 🙏

I pushed up 1.3.0 with your surf anim fix

[fair junco]

no worries :D

[fair junco]

would this work on 0.49?

[fair junco]

i've been thinking about the "movement ignores animation" issue, your script is essentially modifying vanilla movement, right? so im wondering now is the root motion in the animation actually just getting in the way, if there was some way of completely removing the root it might solve the issue. because most mods that are affected by it, its the other way around, like the various dodge or sitting mods need the setting off 🤔 i need to know how the vanilla move animation is done..

[fair junco]

after some experiments i made it work without the motion, but its super weird. it starts verrry slowly but does gradually build up speed, but anytime it re-touches a vertex it loses all the momentum, its all very strange, maybe i just made it too fast... 🤔

[fair junco]

idk its not really that big of a deal anyway 😅 just a curious thing

just thinking aloud

[fair junco]

new glider model is turning out nicely. texture is still jank because UV mapping is hard but im very pleased with this so far

[mental forge]

I really have no idea why it's so picky 😔

[fair junco]

Yeah it's weird 🤷 could be worse though and it's good that it's not an issue for 1stP. A nexus comment made me realize that making the loop longer is actually what slowed down the movement 🧐 so if someone feels like they are moving through treacle, it's because they haven't checked the setting

Its funny because it actually feels kinda realistic at first without the setting, it just doesn't build momentum. But yeah no biggie it still works

[final matrix]

I still have to check for the logs in the terminal, but wanted to leave this here, if I might come back to it.

Could animation replacers conflict with the glider vfx in general?

As I mentioned in the OSSC thread, I‘m using these replacers: #1490798707858210939 message

[tepid parrot]

semaro

I use these:

openmw-third-person-alt-attacks (also breifly disabled it for testing, but no difference)
https://gitlab.com/fallchildren/openmw-third-person-alt-attacks

One-handed animations and idle fixes
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55059

Simply Walking (Remastered)
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49785

Linked by @​semaro from #OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.1 / 13/04/2026 · Apr 13, 2026, 8:35 AM

[fair junco]

shouldnt really be an issue but its possible of course, i think im using at least part of all of these🤔 i suppose anything that adds bones/animation meshes could potentially conflict but i need to do more research to figure out in what way.
thanks! ill be looking into it. there seems to be some mysticism going on between all the animation mods going around, it would be good to understand it better...

[final matrix]

Thought about the Solar Surfer from Treasure Planet again while surfing downhill on a shield into a body of water...
You saw my video about the equippable Dwemer boat concept, right? I wouldn't use that model completely, but maybe parts from it to make a Dwemer Surfer.
Now my question or idea would be, if the shield surfing animation and handling could be used for a "motorized" surfboard, applying a waterwalking effect of course and use magicka as fuel? You would always have a water vehicle at hand, alongside the glider or maybe as a seperate mod.

[agile tapir]

Hey was there a fix for the two handed gilding model, I can’t see the glider?

[mental forge]

That would be super cool. MRs are always open 😄

[mental forge]

Turn off move 360

[agile tapir]

Ok

[median canyon]

The cursed setting 😅

[final matrix]

Glad that you like the idea! I would start building a surfboard model then.

What does MR stands for btw? 🫣

[mental forge]

Merge request 😜

[final matrix]

I see 😁

[mental forge]

If you make the model I will make the script though. Super neat

I'm wondering about how to handle the surfboard

Since it won't be a shield

I kinda don't want to make another quest like I did for the glider

And what the resource cost will be

[final matrix]

With handling you mean how it would move forward? The current shield surfing script would need to be edited to make it possible to continously move on the water surface. To visual immersion, I‘d put a propeller at the back of the board.

About finding it in the world. Maybe it could be found as an item on a beach, sticking out of the sand and a note next to it. By activating it, it becomes a permanent spawnable gadget like the glider.

For resource, I‘d use magicka that gets used. When the „fuel“ is empty, the board vanishes.

[mental forge]

Oooo, I like making it just an item you find somewhere. If the fuel is magicka, non mages will only be able to travel for like a minute 🤔

And how do I distinguish between shield surfing and board surfing with user input?

Maybe if you get the board, it replaces shield surfing

But then the resource cost change becomes annoying

[final matrix]

Hmm, maybe having it as an option to either use magicka or fatigue?
Another idea would be to fortify the magicka (by x amount, whatever feels right) when spawning the board. Don‘t know how hard it would be to let a script check for how much magicka points the player already has and fortify them to a certain degree to make a barbarian and a mage briefly equals by their magicka pool while surfing (you couldn‘t use spells in that mode anyway).

And could the board only be spawned while in/on water using the same input for triggering shield surfing?
It could also be a rule that you must have no shield equipped for being able to spawn the board.

[mental forge]

If you want to limit it to just water that would work well!

[final matrix]

I would for now, to not make shield surfing obsolete 😉

[fair junco]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvQI3XD2-3k

working more on my new glider, does this look like level 2 or 3?

[mental forge]

Definitely 3! Looks great

[fair junco]

nice 😎 almost there, just got to rebuild my texture atlas

and figure out the animations 🤔

[final matrix]

Does the glider model appear now after deactivating 360 camera?

[agile tapir]

Not initially

I’ll record when I get back home

I didn’t get the glider authentically id like to add

And I updated from a previous install

From the old model using no hand to the two handed ones

[final matrix]

So the no/free hand model did appear already?
For me all models are not visible.

[agile tapir]

It only comes up after like a second or third consecutive try at “gliding”

Meaning jump high enough for the gliding to start but no glider model shows up

It worked perfectly before with the two handed model before the added one handed model and change

[agile tapir]

https://youtu.be/k2qIkWQA1BQ?si=6J-3y7HaJHpZ-lDj loves this came up on my recommendations

[signal root]

I also have the invisible glider bug

[median canyon]

do you have move360 enabled?

if you do - disable it

[signal root]

Where is that setting?

[median canyon]

settings->scripts->OpenMW Camera

[signal root]

It's already disabled for me

[median canyon]

Huh, that's a first. Then it's something else

Quite a few people had it because of that setting

[signal root]

Hm

[median canyon]

Then we'll have to wait for Blur to wake up

[fair junco]

do you have Preview if stand still enabled?

in the same settings

[signal root]

Yes

I just disabled it and that fixed it 🙂

[fair junco]

nice! those camera settings just don't play well with this for some reason 🤔

[mental forge]

Sorry I got food poisoning

[fair junco]

rough! happened to me the other day. no fun at all

[final matrix]

That's what it was...

@mental forge Might be good to mention Preview if stand still should be disabled in future readmes.
Hope your stomach is doing well and you feel better 🫶

[final matrix]

@fair junco Don't know if you want to go into the animation at some point again. Probably not anytime soon, because of all your recent side questing 💪😉
But if so at some point, would you mind adjusting the left arm a little bit lower and outward? It would not only come in handy for my model, but your Racer one too from what I noticed.

And btw, it's pretty nice to see, that the triggers of the handles still have their animation and constantly moving (this wasn't intentional by me attaching them). Feels even more immersive for those who really zoom into details of the model.

[fair junco]

damn i thought i fixed that... yeah i will make a note for next time i'm looking at that one

thanks for letting me know :)

[final matrix]

Anytime 🙂

[raw zephyr]

Damn i feel those shoulders burning just by looking at it

Nerevar couldve taken it easy and just hang there relaxed with outstretched arms

But no that nwah gotta flex

[mental forge]

pushed up 1.4.0 that has more input settings and the ability to completely bypass the glider quest

[fair junco]

More input settings? Ooh 👀

[mental forge]

dedicated keys / disable directional jump

[fair junco]

I've been going mad totally rebuilding he glider and animations, almost done

[fair junco]

Cool

When I do the shield animations again I'll ask you about a trick hotkey 🧐

[mental forge]

since movement controls are disabled while surfing, I can just steal those for trick input

[fair junco]

How about something like shift to crouch? Either for speed boost on landing or extra jump or a flip? 🙃

Also I was wondering about the animation loop, I had a kind of "lead in" anim for the start that would be really cool but looks dumb if it's looped. Do you know if there's a way to go from kf: start and then transition into the kf: loop start. So for surfing it would be a landing anim, or for the glider it would be a sort of "unfurl" anim. Does that make sense? I'll probably ask in the animations channel too when I'm getting to it

[mental forge]

I'm sure it's possible, probably need to do some funky animation code

[mental forge]

Beast animations are borked

[fair junco]

i know 😭 i need to poke max about the glider thing, the rebuilt anim has the same issue of being shunted off two metres to the right.
it definitely shouldnt be doing that

the shield i can fix i just need to make the time. i have a dumb little mod that im desperate to get done for may 1st

[mental forge]

No rush, this is all for fun 😄

[fair junco]

I take having fun very seriously! 🧐

Lol I do feel bad for the beast folk though, I've been trying to add a little tail flourish into the anims I do as a treat

[final matrix]

Custom sail mesh for their tails, giving them a buff for steering? XD

[fair junco]

just pushed a MR 🎉
gliding remaster, and fixed the shield bug for beast surfing

still planning to rework the surfing totally but its working for now

beast gliding is still borked though 😭

cant figure it out, i fixed it for an anim i made for foxunder but i cant seem to replicate the fix

psyched about these new gliders though. im so happy with how they turned out

[mental forge]

Merged 🤘

[median canyon]

Dubious out here doing Todd's work

[abstract sable]

probably unreasonable ask but I would really love maybe something that disables preview if stand still/360 view dynamically when it realizes we gliding. That would be lovely

[mental forge]

I don't understand. Like the camera is going into vanity mode?

I think you can disable idle -> vanity swapping in the main openmw settings

[abstract sable]

Ah no no it was an idea to get around the limitation of the glider animation breaking(glider not showing) when we have preview when stand still or 360 view enabled. Something that dynamically turns this off when activating glider and then turns it on could be a solution if it is at all possible. That was what I am saying. Great mod either way

[final matrix]

Glider + OSSC + Blink = Close range Cliff Racer hunting ⚔️
||Need some more practice though ||

[tender matrix]

:0

yknow, this vid convinced me to finally install the mod

[heavy sundial]

What is left to do for this mod to be released/not a WIP anymore? Is it just the glider wings looking "borked" for beast races ?

[tender matrix]

uh...
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58596

[final matrix]

It is already released on Nexus

[heavy sundial]

lmao I'm sorry I missed that 😭

[final matrix]

There are some animations, dubious wanted to adjust and he will also put in a new Racer glider model.

Not sure about the thing, that the equipped shield is still visible on the back when surfing. Have you thought about this @mental forge ?

[agile tapir]

There goes updrafts 🥹

I love the tech tho will def try

[final matrix]

The file xbase_anim_sh.nif from the mod Weapon Sheathing has this bone for the shield (as you probably know).
Could a vfx applied there to hide the shield on the back, as soon as the player starts surfing?

[fair junco]

I wonder 🤔 could i move the actual shield bone as part of the animation instead of inserting a new bone. Then you could theoretically just equip the shield instead of adding it as vfx?

[mental forge]

Moving the bone would be best

[fair junco]

i did it! no more glider jank for beasts! 🎉

hmm well maybe not 0 jank.. did actually run into this issue
one time when i switched from 1st to 3rd i got stuck spinning, even when paused. if i cancel the glide it stopped and would go spinning again when gliding until i reloaded... i have no idea

i couldnt reproduce, only happened once

[tender matrix]

my imga as soon as they get their hands on the glider

https://tenor.com/view/gorilla-monke-monkey-spin-ape-gif-25078721

[fair junco]

@final matrix the new glider anims don't quite fit the dwemer glider, it would need to be made a little bit bigger to fit them, the old one works fine apart from the hand misalignment so can just keep them seperate if you prefer it

[mental forge]

getting ready to publish soon after a round of testing

[final matrix]

Can you send me some pictures of your character, using the gilder with the new animations? So I can adjust my model accordingly before the new release.
Or you send me the new animation files so I can check for myself in-game 🙂

[mental forge]

argonian gliding error: Can't find bone Bip01 Glider
argonian surfing error: the shield bone is not aligned under the feet; it's off to the side

[fair junco]

got the files mixed up then, ill repackage it in a bit

here, replace entire animation folder with this

sorry, of the glider animation

[mental forge]

Thanks 😊

[fair junco]

and here for the surfing

but thats just the shield bone shift for the beasts.

let me know if theres any warnings

[mental forge]

surfing works great now for beasts, but gliding anim is still busted

[11:32:58.931 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider.001' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xglider.kf)
[11:33:01.636 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider.001' in meshes/xbase_anim.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xglider.kf)
[11:33:02.863 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider' in meshes/xbase_animkna.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xglider.kf)
[11:33:02.863 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider.001' in meshes/xbase_animkna.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_anim/xglider.kf)
[11:33:02.913 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider' in meshes/xbase_animkna.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_animkna/xgliderkna.kf)
[11:33:02.913 W] Warning: addAnimSource: can't find bone 'bip01 glider.001' in meshes/xbase_animkna.nif (referenced by animations/xbase_animkna/xgliderkna.kf)

[fair junco]

Ok I'm getting all confused I'm sorry, trying to do multiple things at once. I have thee working anims in game so I know I did them 😅

I will review later when I have time and compile properly

[final matrix]

Interesting that the glider model shrinked. How come?

It shouldn't be much of a hassle for me resizing it and maybe adjust the handles too.

[fair junco]

Yeah I'm not sure, maybe I scaled the bone by accident, but If so I wasn't aware that would be an issue. If that's what happening anyway, it's a little hard to tell

[final matrix]

Does this affect your glider too? And are planning to look into it again. You don't have to fix it on your end, I'm just curious ^^

[fair junco]

Yes I made my new glider models to fit the old one but then I had to scale them up to fit. I definitely don't want to redo the anims again lol not unless I have to, I don't mind scaling up your model either just didn't want to mess with your stuff

[final matrix]

Wanna check if this is alright? On my end im fine with the fit of the handle-grabbing now.
Who checks on that anyways? ||And if they do, they hopefully also notice the animated triggers I left in for immersion ||

[final matrix]

@mental forge You can use this one and the file from above for the updated release. These are compatible with Dubious's new animations now.

[mental forge]

nice, merged em 😄

[fair junco]

here is my current install so it should be right.

[mental forge]

still getting Error in DelayedAction addVfxAction: Can't find bone Bip01 Glider for female khajiit 🙁

maybe it's missing the BONE string

[median canyon]

I'm afraid I don't see that bone in the khajit nifs, so it would be the same for male too, since they share the skeleton.

[mental forge]

I can't add the BONE string data as child for some reason

it's just not popping up

[median canyon]

Did you find the bone itself? Cause I just don't see it in nifskope

if it's there and I'm blind I'll add the string and send it to you

assuming dubious is asleep already

[fair junco]

sorry yeah here, the bone was there but not the string, which is totally weird because i was just testing it. idk

[median canyon]

am blind

Couldn't find it for the life of me

[mental forge]

yay it worked! published 😄

thanks everyone

[abstract sable]

I seem to be unable to shieldsurf with this update

nvm my shield is broken

mfw surfed too much