OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v2.5 / 16/06/2026

[wraith delta]

Thread for any questions, suggestions and ideas for upcoming mod.

PS. It's already casting spells 😄 I'll try to post a video today, the PoC is already functional more or less (you can treat it as spell dehardcoding - it's possible to spawn any spell, with vanilla spells as well as hardcoding custom spell effects for certain custom spells)

[faint geyser]

a-woooooo!

PoC?

So the spell dehardcoding is a part of projectile physics mod i assume, or atleast the whole projectile spawning part?

Main thing here id like is the easy access to a method that determines a casting chance and to a magic projectile spawning method

then e.g one can easily implement casting with.. well anything really

can cast with your ass if you wanna

[wraith delta]

I am making it as we speak to be standalone (only your Framework will be needed for it to work)

[wraith delta]

It already happens, I just need to fix the early visual bugs to record a proper video

:>

[wraith delta]

Proof of concept

[sick iris]

sweeet, thanks skrow! your a credit to the community

[wraith delta]

Thanks, I'm trying 😄

[wraith delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbISNSAuOLU

Good thing is - it does not use any of Projectile Physics files. Solely the Max Physics framework is needed

[late temple]

MW getting battlemage mode before Skyrim would be helluva feat.

[wraith delta]

This was very needed though

I plan to enable NPCs to also throw spells like that

[late temple]

Yeah since Oblivion, I've been waiting something like this for OpenMW, or Skyrim. Skyrim has one upcoming mod doing this, but it's been github beta stage like years now.

[wraith delta]

If thats true then thats crazy that Skyrim doesnt have that lol, what a regression

This mod is pretty much Oblivion inspired

Tes IV had such great ideas implemented

And the havok havoc 😄

Which also will be included optionally

And staggering NPCs and actors with spellcasts 👌

[late temple]

Skyrim has had various casting key mods, but they've all been janky as hell. Like shooting projectiles from mouth, like shouts. 😆 Anyway keeping my eye on this, both eyes.

[wraith delta]

Stay tuned, some beta will be released in maximum few days

Need to stock up bugless mods to Modathon

😄

[wraith delta]

TODO:
-add missing sfx to flight of the spells
-add missing particles vfx to the spells
-add missing impact vfx (small vfx that happens on impact normally)
-create a proof of concept custom damaging spell
-make nice API for others to use for spell creation
-add missing tgm handling (now it refuses to cast if no mana and tgm is on but that’s an easy fix)
-fix persistent particles that happens with some of the spells
-make NPCs also use the quick casting (as a setting toggle)
-get a different animation for self casted spells
-optional impulse on spell impact to make items flying
-staggering NPCs and player with spellcasts (with balance in mind so probably stat/skill based)
-adjust the spell spawn area to be from the hand directly

@faint geyser anything else I have missed ?

[wraith delta]

And also Max, is there a possibility you could provide me a casting animation for self spells? Like in oblivion, not the forward cast but the casting clenched fist pointed up😍

[sick iris]

Man this is so exciting. A who new avenue of things to consider has opened up

[wraith delta]

Thats true, Im excited for this myself a lot!

And also this casting will make the placing traps easier for SHOP when I get to that in the future

Since I was thinking of many ways how it could be done, now it’s gonna be a lot easier and feel more native

[faint geyser]

As i mentioned this is not a proper casting anim, ill make ones based on mcar

You can also try and play existing casting anim on a left hand, it might "just work".

[wraith delta]

I actually like current animation a lot, just the spawning position of the spell projectiles must be moved to the hand instead of being centered now, adding that to todo

But I am open and flexible for everything as you know

[faint geyser]

Well its up to you but this is not mechanically balanced, you get power advantage for free, this anim is MUCH faster than vanilla casting

Ideally something like that should be locked behind like 2 perk levels

[torpid raptor]

The vanilla casting is so slow I think it could be interesting to have a faster starting casting anim but Jack the magika cost up or something

Or yeah gate one handed casting generally behind a perk (easily acquirable) and then quicker casting behind a higher level one

[wraith delta]

I was thinking more of reducing the effects by 50% with quick cast, what do you think about this?

Or making it a slower animation, or having a stat or skill affect the cast speed maybe?

[wraith delta]

This I want to be also active on NPCs so they get to quick cast too, which makes it even

Separate animation patterns for each perk level sounds wonderful, but I am really dependent on you guys with the animations ^^

[gleaming nest]

Love this idea! Then you won’t just abandon vanilla casting, because it also has some advantages, for example high cost spells that tend to fail more easily (summons)

For this spell I need both hands 🙌

[wraith delta]

Makes sense

I make all my mods very modular so even if something gets introduced, there is 99% of time the way to enable/disable that in the settings

[gleaming nest]

We would have the best of Morrowind, Oblivion and even Skyrim in terms of a system like that (at least how I imagine it at the moment)

[wraith delta]

And I just check now and it works fine with shield equipped as well ^^

[sick iris]

yeah, increasing the magicka cost effectively gates it behind skill as well as reducing the overall ability to cast regularly. having more spells cast per battle means much shorter time-to-kill without reducing effectiveness somehow.

balance is so subjective though when so many mods exist to make it easier or harder

having a perk system tied to it would be excellent

[wraith delta]

It'll take time but maybe it'll get done 😄 Cannot promise since there is so much work to do on my mods and so little time

Sooner or later it could happen of course

[faint geyser]

Are you gonna dehardcode npc spellcasting logic for that

I think thats called a feature creep 🙂

[sick iris]

yeah i would say focus on the functionality and someone else will probably make perks for it, this might be a lot to take on, make it a community effort.

or do it like BGS style "modders will fix it later"

[wraith delta]

If @spark steeple made it so that NPCs parry then I am going to make it the same way, there must be a way for that

And Rosynant has made NPCs dodge

so it's definitely possible to inject actions

[wraith delta]

I am always open for any help ^^

[faint geyser]

Ideally need a way to disable stuff via lua interface then, if someone will implement perks for your spellcasting - those perks need to be able to control whe it is usable and when not

[spark steeple]

If you've looked at my code - you'd know that that part is very primitive and abuses onUpdate liberally :P

[wraith delta]

I never grasped the idea of new Interfaces so I def need to look up in your mods Max since I've seen you creating them already

[wraith delta]

it just works ^^

[sick iris]

for sure, i have been doing crash course in animations so i hope i can help with that, my coding skills are not there yet but anything thats within my power i will try to contribute

[spark steeple]

[wraith delta]

It's the anim work that is "impossible" to me, well it could happen but would take lots of time that could be well spent on progressing the mods further

[faint geyser]

Oh you can for sure make npcs cast, what i meant it the whole spell selection logic is up to you now then, as well as aiming the spells, i.e what to cast, when to cast and how to cast

Its a bit of rabbit hole

[wraith delta]

How about Mercy ?

I mean, the spellcasting is not tackled there

[faint geyser]

Ha, mercy doesnt do it, it nopes out of spell asters

[wraith delta]

it's empty but the docs said anyone can try to implement it

I wonder if that's feasible, not on you of course

[faint geyser]

Spell asters are driven by vanilka, except when they ask for mercy

[faint geyser]

Yes, but it changes nothing, youll still have to implement all that, you can just then use behaviour trees for decision logic instead of bunch of if elses as engine does

[spark steeple]

Theoretically, implementing them castign spells (not even talking about aiming) should be easier than even parrying. Switch them to spell stance, select spell,set use to non-zero

it's the details that are tricky

target selection

aiming

etc

may get heavy quick

[faint geyser]

Which spell are they selecting, when? Theres a bunch of logic to that, i.e not recasting same spell when target is already affected, spell priority, how insistant are you on casting this specific spell if they fail or target avoids them

Tbh probably can just ask claude to dehardcode all that decision logic

[spark steeple]

pfft, and where's the fun in that

:P

[faint geyser]

:3

[spark steeple]

but yeah, will need proper weights etc

[faint geyser]

But it certainly feels like megabloat for a quickcasting mod. Every line of code one introduces is a line of code that can break and require maintenance

[spark steeple]

well, let's think about it. Say we keep vanilla behaviour. Casters in game usually know at most half a dozen spells, and cast the one with highest cost

Makes it much easier

[faint geyser]

Maybe theres a way to hack into vanilla for this, like detect when it switches to spell stance and instantly abort it after vanilla made a decision on which spell to cast and then cast that w quick casting

Probably cursed

[spark steeple]

Aiming can be done by taking actors in combat, selecting e.g. one hostile actor with highest prio and lobbing things into their general direction

thing is - vanilla casters and archers lead their shots. Poorly

but do

In short -I'm glad I'm not messing with magic at the moment

[faint geyser]

Recasting, aiming, stance switching, also simply put if what you described is not how vanilla does it - most likely something will break

Like i dunno npc will be cadting chameleon on repeat cos its his highest spell, instead of blasting you w a fireball

[spark steeple]

I think there are weights for combat vs non-combat

oh, and heals

ok, no, I'm noping out - even doing research on this is a bit too much :P

[sick iris]

Fair Care has some logic about spell choice doesn't it? they can decide when to heal at least

[faint geyser]

Yea imo, either straight up porting vanilla logic or not doing it at all are 2 realistic aproaches here

Simply cos pirting can be ai-automatrd

[sick iris]

the most important part is player use because thats the most fun

[wraith delta]

This came into mind, just like the Projectile Physics - the anim is intercepted by the animation keys

So to force quick cast instead of vanilla cast might not be that hard to do

[spark steeple]

you'll need to catch and despawn vanilla spell

[wraith delta]

Without breaking the logic

I thought more of intercepting it right at the start of the spellcast anim

[spark steeple]

ah

[wraith delta]

But that doesnt make sense when I think of it now

since the spell stance will be opened

So it totally loses sense

Hmmm...

[faint geyser]

Well if its of any consolation in vanilla making npcs quickast in most cases will not be much advantegous to them as most casters are more or less pure casters and not spellblades

[spark steeple]

eeeeeh. Well... Fireball machiegun may be a thing

[wraith delta]

True, but we can dynamically add spells to the NPCs if needed to make it more exciting and diverse in terms of gameplay

Which costs 0 resources since it happens on cell load once

[harsh wolf]

Can't wait for the release

[wraith delta]

This mod might need a rename tho I think since the scope is far beyond oblivion spell cast

[wraith delta]

Thank you for the kind words

[faint geyser]

We surely can, but now we get into the bloat territory once again "its a quiccasting mod, but also it tweaks npc ai, and also dynamically gives them spells, and also maybe walks your dog!"

[wraith delta]

Im leaning towards Magicka Expanded OpenMW since it really will do all of that

custom spell, quick cast

[spark steeple]

Maybe keep it as is, and consider all of that for a submod?

[wraith delta]

All of the needed parts are built in on this in terms of creating a custom spell

So Im kinda on the crossroad here

Which I've tried hard to disconnect Magic from Marksman and it happened since it only needs Maxs framework as base

[icy citrus]

Variable casting speed?

[wraith delta]

It can be implemented without problem

[icy citrus]

Coolio, I remember there was a haste mod that did weapon and maybe spells?

[sick iris]

thoughts?

[wraith delta]

Hey thats nice! It is kinda long animation though right? ^^

[sick iris]

idk im just putting it together, i can speed it up as needed

[wraith delta]

It's a lot similar like Oblivion thats lovely

[sick iris]

thats the idea, those anims are very nostalgic

but yeah let me know whats needed, speeds etc. i cant promise ill get everything you need done, i dont have a lot of free time either but ill do my best

[wraith delta]

The speed I can modify with one lua line

So that doesnt matter that much since it can be finetuned ^^

Just drop anytime if there's something and I'll test it in the game (make sure to also send the animation text key list with it ^^)

Thank you Sera

[spark steeple]

I'm not rightly sure which animation pack this one is part of, but self cast like that is out there

iirc this one is Amalexia's cast, and I kinda like dubious' one more

[wraith delta]

Yeah the off-casting would be the best from left hand imo

[sick iris]

what text keys are needed for casting?

[wraith delta]

It's up to you, I am defining them in lua, it's just not to use the vanilla names for that to avoid weird conflicts

Not any of these

287.466675 | SpellCast: Equip Start
287.666687 | SpellCast: Equip Stop
287.666687 | IdleSpell: Start
289.266663 | IdleSpell: Stop
289.266663 | SpellCast: Unequip Start
289.466675 | SpellCast: Unequip Stop
289.533325 | SpellCast: Self Start
290.466675 | SpellCast: Self Release
291.533325 | SpellCast: Self Stop
291.600006 | SpellCast: Target Start
292.533325 | SpellCast: Target Release
293.600006 | SpellCast: Target Stop
293.666687 | SpellCast: Touch Start
294.600006 | SpellCast: Touch Release
295.666687 | SpellCast: Touch Stop
295.733337 | SpellTurnLeft: Start
296.000000 | SpellTurnLeft: Loop Start
297.066681 | SpellTurnLeft: Loop Stop
297.333344 | SpellTurnLeft: Stop
297.399994 | SpellTurnRight: Start
297.666687 | SpellTurnRight: Loop Start
298.733337 | SpellTurnRight: Loop Stop
299.000000 | SpellTurnRight: Stop

Since these are vanilla group and keys

[faint geyser]

I think anim comp has oblivion style 3rd person self casting, might even be ripped directly from oblivion

[faint geyser]

But yes rhis is pre cool, has some oblivion vibes. Wanna try something cool? Go to curves view in keyframes window, select all keyframes and in handles or interpolation submenu (dont remember which) select smooth

It will either magically make anim megasmooth or hillariously break it

[sick iris]

there you go, give it a try. i made it a bit shorter anyway

[wraith delta]

I'll give it a go soon and will drop a vid here ^^

Thank you very very much

Saves me a big headache for sure

[sick iris]

ah cool thank you, i will try it :)

[spark steeple]

Mostly the latter in my experience

[sick iris]

yes the latter in this case but i can see the use, good shout. i saw that on a tutorial but the information didn't apply itself at the time

i did manage to make it a little bit smoother than the video clip

[faint geyser]

Then you go through keys that break and set it to smooth clamped, and maybe also play with handles of those keys

Usually gives better results with less effort compared to trying to fix everything with dozens keyframes

[spark steeple]

Would've been cool if I knew that 24 hours ago :P

[faint geyser]

[spark steeple]

I had to fix hand and arm position for the 2h sword guard animation literally frame by frame

[faint geyser]

omg im sorry to hear that

sounds like torture

[spark steeple]

It's fine, it's done now

[sick iris]

speaking of torture, you mentioned something about automatic hand posing before... how do i do that?

[wraith delta]

https://youtu.be/s1CAxiT3EkU

Dubious, I couldn't manage time-wise to check the animation today. Tommorow I'll post how it looks like

Targetted spells are almost done - speed needs to be finetuned (haven't got to that yet) and also the light source has to be added for Poison Bolt. Other than that they work as intended 🙂

Can you imagine that it had to be hardcoded these rotations for illusion, restoration and frost spells? So the engine must do it the same way

Since it didn't automatically pickup that from the animation of the spell files

[faint geyser]

looks really cool

i wonder whats going on with those polygons though on 2h casting ha

[peak pawn]

Absolute chad TESIV fan

[wraith delta]

2h casting are vanilla, I did it for comparison ^^

would need to intercept the casting animation the same way like projectile physics to have my own version launched

Which… well, will need to be done at some point

If we want to have fully custom spellcasts

Ahh you mean the weird ass artefacts, I dunno, its probably from me using 1st person body awareness+reanimation+3rd person alt attacks and something gets messed up in the process

Since my 3rd person is totally borked

I guess its the 3rd person alt attacks since everyone says its mega bugged

[wraith delta]

And when we talk about spell speed - that can be used as a balance part I guess but that needs to be discussed

Raised mana cost and lower spell speed are the two easiest possibilities to implement for me balance wise

So I would lean towards that but I am curious others opinions since Im not making this mod only for myself

[sharp coral]

About animations when wealon ready.
Maybe, if possibile, make vanilla but "onehanded" (for touch and projectile there will be need to flip/mirror right hand to be on left side.

[wraith delta]

I’m of course open to test if such file will be dropped here, we have some animation magicians here ^^

And the best (and possible without a problem) would be choosing the animation in the settings in game

[faint geyser]

oo i just realised that you prob need to account for spell absorption, or is it already accounted for?

an reflection maybe as well?

[wraith delta]

For vanilla spells it just applies the effect so it should be accounted for by the engine, I’ll check that but so far I’ve noticed that resists are indeed accounted for

With custom ones I’d need to account for that yes

[faint geyser]

I promise some people be poopyfaced cos its an "casting anim is super fast, its an unnecesary OP change" or something like that

So be prepared

[wraith delta]

I’ll experiment with animation speed

Maybe will make it a setting

[faint geyser]

It will not work with this anim, timing is just not right, if you make it twice as slow itll look stupid

Ill try to retarget and cut mmcar for quckcasting for you later

And also you can try running vanilla casting with left hand mask

[wraith delta]

I need to first try Dubious animation for sure 😄

I am curious of it how it’ll look ingame

But will be able to hop on some coding work after 4pm

[sick iris]

yeah let me know how it goes, it was pretty quick made, i can definitely make it smoother if necessary. i dont mind if you wanna use some other one either its all good

[wraith delta]

@sick iris https://youtu.be/U1YxxH1f3hA

So that's default without speed changes, maybe the hand could be going lower? ^^

[sick iris]

Oh yeah do to sure, I'll have a look at it later today

[wraith delta]

Take your time mate ❤️

There's still work to do on this (some self and touch effects are not yet applying particles 😄 )

[wraith delta]

Looking through the CS to find the light sources that are used in spells, LOL

[sick iris]

here try these, the oblivion anims are super different from 1st to third so if you can use this one for 1st and the other for third/npcs i think it would be good

[gleaming nest]

@wraith delta Btw, I don't know where you wanna go with the vanilla ready spell and cast system, especially with their animations. I just wanted to ask if there could be either something in the script settings or an alternate .esp (when the time comes) to maybe not effect this, independent from the implementation of the one handed quick casting.
fallchildren's third-person-alt-attacks for example changes this a lot and in a very cool way, with it's new animations and visible idle particles of the selected spell. Though currently I'm struggling to disable those features and still having everything else of the mod enabled. 😅

Im' just pointing this out, since I use the ready spell idle pose for immersion of different custom made vehicles, mimicking the player grabbing steering levers or other things of the devices.

Still looking very forward to what you might wanna do with these, I liked Oblivion's casting system the most 🙏

[wraith delta]

I am actually testing this with 3rd person alt attacks and appreciate the idle with the particles for it. It's only available in spell stance though so I would need to port that to be activated during the quick cast. Quick cast is purely optional though - you can use spell stance normal casting or the quick cast. Both work interchangeably. Although for custom spells I would need a lot more work to also be working on the normal spell stance, which involves intercepting vanilla animation during casting which is not that pleasant to do (as I know because of Projectile Physics mod which was a struggle to achieve that)

So also vanilla players could benefit from the new spell system

Now I am fighting with the small hit vfx appearing on the bottom of the npc rather than center. The particle works fine though and that's why it's so annoying 😛

[wraith delta]

I'll check that out very soon :>

Perfect!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIcXmg1Ic-M

[gleaming nest]

Thanks for the in depth explanation 🙂

[wraith delta]

Anytime 🙂

[sick iris]

Haha that's dope! Cool Ill mess with them a bit to try to make them a bit smother but I'm pretty happy with how that turned out :D

[wraith delta]

If I may making a little lower 3rd pers anim since the hand goes really high too, and the timing must be the same as the 1st person anim too to make it consistent ^^

And big thanks, massive mod is being created thanks to you

[sick iris]

Haha it will be totally worth it, you're definitely doing the most important part though
Yeah for sure. If you like th timing on that one I'll work on a final version

[wraith delta]

Yeah the one with self cast 1st person feels just right, like @spark steeple says Vanillla+

[spark steeple]

^ I love morrowind, I don't want to make it into another game (insert a dis of certain skyrim combat mods) I want to make it its best self ^^

[icy citrus]

I'm not sure how it would work mechanically, but the way skyrim let you have a spell vfx in the hand was sweet even if the concept of weapon handedness doesn't actually track into morrowind

but seriously between this and parry mod

😍 ❤️‍🔥

[wraith delta]

I would love this but in the current state of API is most probably not possible. At least until we get VFX offset added to API capabilities and some @harsh zinc animation knowledge and magic, then maybe we could achieve that ^^

[wraith delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkJsHp4cVrE

Today's progress - beneficial and other non-damaging spells are working now. Finetuned the actual moment of activating the spell effects on Self casts ideally to match the vanilla timer. The touch/target is too fast now balance wise (self - 1.00s, touch - 0.40s, target 0.30s). All particles and sounds are now working except the flash of light on some of the launched targetted spells projectiles (trying to find out what file is it). I have implemented a crude solution that adds a small light source to the flying spells but it's not the 1:1 solution. There are still some bugs like spells not affecting objects (open/lock spells), invisibility not coming off when quick casting or the summons not having a limit (which can be a nice perk idea to be fair - to have the limit higher than 1 summon of a type) and buffs also possible to cast vanilla cast and quick cast to get 2 shield effects as an example. Some little quirks here and there to squash 🙂

The touch/target animation I'll try to slow down and we'll see if we need other animation as a must or as a choice ^^

Mirroring vanilla animation for touch spells might be a good idea

Having 1 separate animation for each cast type would be perfect to lessen the animation fatigue

I truly can't wait to implement some custom spells as an example and framework for others to do

Something like alternating cast animations (just like Reanimation) would be so cool

Oh, and here's the performance... I'm totally satisfied with it, probably my best performing mod of all
Idling: 0-30 op/s
Self spell cast: ~100op/s
Targetted and Touch: spike to 600-700op/s on cast

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfdcENt-ay8

[sharp coral]

Looking nice but little clunky - maybe because u have heavly modded game

imo you should test mod on clean OpenMW without any mods with vanilla animations and after mod release, add additional animations pack to make them fit to another animations e.g. Morrowind Animation Overhaul Project

[wraith delta]

You have performance test just above, it’s not OSSC lagging around I can assure you. I make this to be compatible with most of the mods, not just vanilla

Balmora IS and always’ve been performance heavy, after all

[sharp coral]

I belive

[peak pawn]

Amazing stuff

[sick iris]

@wraith delta here's updated quickbuff anims, for 1st and 3rd. should be a bit smoother and both are timed the same now too

[wraith delta]

Was away these 2 past days from coding but will definitely check this out today, thank you sooo much ❤️

[wraith delta]

It's great, thank you again Dubious, it definitely stays and will be part of OSSC

As of work, I've now done open/lock spells to be 1:1, also invisibilty breaking is now happening correctly upon cast. Now adding API for spell stacking (which was a bug and now will be a feature on chosen spells 😄 with Perks Framework in mind :> )

[wraith delta]

This one will be on hold until the method is exposed from the c++. I cannot influence the spellchance bar under the icon when casting powers. Well, no other than making my own custom icon which I don't want to do. When the method gets exposed to lua, then I will be able to call it and properly disappear the used power spellchance cast bar

[wraith delta]

Disconnected Oblivion style spell casting to be a standalone mod with a new dependency - OpenMW Magicka Expanded Framework ^^ API has been created

[wraith delta]

The mod is released. Please have fun with it and report any bugs!

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58653

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.0 / 12/04/2026

Oh and we won't have info about powers available from API until 0.52 according to Mads so I've decided to turn off casting powers with quick cast to avoid bugs with a nice flavor text.

[swift orbit]

I will be thoroughly looking into this

Love it so much so far

Thank you again lol

[wraith delta]

There are some bugs already, the raycast of applying touch spells is not behaving correctly sometimes and onCast enchanted items are not working too. Working on it now!

[swift orbit]

Thank you so much

[sick iris]

have you tried using this? i might be way off but i've heard its useful for short range raycast performance. ownlyme and hyacinth were passing it around, its used in a bunch of mods now 🤷

[wraith delta]

Good that you remind me about it, will definitely use that

[sick iris]

[faint geyser]

no, no, that might be a bad idea

this raycasts a ray every frame at activation distance (i.e distance at which character is allowed to interact with objects)

its primarily for detecting interactable objects

i highly doubt that spell touch range is the same as interactable object range

and additionally you dont really need to do raycasts every frame

its not like it will tank performance or anything, but just the intent of that script is different

[spark steeple]

we can cast ray only in spell stance and with use != 0

that'll be fine

and the range is also in GMSTs

[faint geyser]

theres no need to cast rays in spell stance

it only needs to be cast once upon a spell release animation key

[spark steeple]

Yeah, cast once also works

[faint geyser]

but What i meant is that using script provided above makes no sense, as you rightfully mentioned spells have its own gmst, script above is primarily geared towards activatable objects

[spark steeple]

It works as an example

I used it to make my own raycast. But was really only useful for me cause I didn't do raycasts before

otherwise - it's great if you want to do exactly the same thing

but

[wraith delta]

I don't see any perf or op/s impact

after implementing it

[faint geyser]

not really, raycasts are very easy to do, this script doesnt help with doing raycasts, it helps with not repeating raycasts when multiple mods want to do identical raycasts (interactable object detection raycasts) within the same frame

[spark steeple]

That one is "depends" - but that Interface exists specifically so that all mods that need to cast an "interaction ray" use the same one, instead of each one doing it individually

[spark steeple]

Yeah, we said that at the same time. But I mean - I never touched raycasting and used it as an example

[wraith delta]

I highly recommend testing, this is my best performing mod for real

I already know how to optimise Projectile Physics mod because of it

[faint geyser]

and please do not just edit a gmst in that script and drop it in as is - nor edit that script in any other way, its intended to be a kind of shared library that detects other instances of itself in another mods and only uses the newest instance. If you edit it - some other mods relying on it might end up using your edited version and its will be absolute nightmare to debug

[spark steeple]

Actually

not finding a separate GMST for touch spells

[faint geyser]

might also be hardcoded, although that be kinda strange

[spark steeple]

they may really use "iMaxActivateDist"

whch is 192 - without multipliers - that's about 6.5 ingame feet

so roughly 1h sword range

[wraith delta]

I haven't edited Shared Raycast at all, why would I

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.1 / 12/04/2026

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.1 / 13/04/2026

v1.1 is live on Nexus:

-fixed dead actors being afflicted by the spells
-fixed persisting orb after spell has hit any object
-fixed quickcasting with onUse and Scrolls spells
-prevented being able to cast when any window is opened
-fixed 3rd person spell spawn position to be a lot easier to handle
-integrated SharedRay from Hyacinth and pwn (fixed touch spell accuracy)
-prevented being able to quickcast spell when casting a normal spell stance animation

[swift orbit]

Is there a certain option and/or load order for spell effects? They appear to not show up during self cast.

In the second video on the mod page I don't see any of the hand effects when self healing that are present in the video. I do have 3rd person alt installed as well hmm

[harsh wolf]

Strange, spell effects using the Oblivion casting style aren't appearing.

[fervent sequoia]

For some reason every time I use OSSC it drains all my magicka. Then I noticed that when I use OSSC with projectiles it fires a whole bunch of them in one cast.

[harsh wolf]

Now spell effects work, but Command Humanoid seems nonfunctional.

[swift orbit]

What did you do to get the spell effects to show?

[swift orbit]

Hmm, I tried loading everything before and after third person alt attacks, and I can't get the spell effects/visuals to show like in the second animation video. I also don't use any spell/graphic mods, just vanilla.

[wraith delta]

I’ll troubleshoot it from the ground up then, works fine on my end (the hand vfx in 3rd peeson alt attacks is only appearing in spell stance - this will be implemented for use with quick cast), also, make the magicka expanded load first and then after load OSSC. Also, make them both load at the bottom of the list

[wraith delta]

Logs and video please if you can

Ok, people on NexusMods found the reason. Its the SkillEvolution mod making the incompatibility. Maybe @quaint thistle will be open to make it compatible (or point me where the mistake is if its easy fix on my end)

[fervent sequoia]

yeah that's what it said on my debug log ingame it was skill evolution

[swift orbit]

Ahhh yes! I can confirm that spell vfx works while in spell stance but not in melee combat

[wraith delta]

Try putting Skill Evolution load after ME and OSSC

[fervent sequoia]

no, still same problem unfortunately

[quaint thistle]

I got the log from Nexus, I'll fix it ASAP

[gleaming nest]

Thanks a lot for this first release! So nice to finally have a real quick casting system in Morrowind.

Btw, I noticed in third person, the player weirdly raise up their legs (even when walking/running) and put the right arm into the torch holding animation
Might be something important for you too? @sick iris

[wraith delta]

Havent had this issue, any animation mods are you using?

[gleaming nest]

Oh and I think all mysticism and illusion spells won't spawn vfx. Wanted to test this further though. Only did with soultrap on target and paralyzeon touch yet.

[wraith delta]

I’ll look into that asap

[gleaming nest]

I use these:

openmw-third-person-alt-attacks (also breifly disabled it for testing, but no difference)
https://gitlab.com/fallchildren/openmw-third-person-alt-attacks

One-handed animations and idle fixes
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55059

Simply Walking (Remastered)
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49785

[wraith delta]

Might have to do with One-handed animations and idle fixes
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55059

I'll test it later and we'll see

[quaint thistle]

new version of Skill Evolution is up and should fix the compatibility issues

[wraith delta]

Thank you so much, will save a headache with comments 😄

[quaint thistle]

yeah, thx for the report

your next update will improve on my fix, as we'll have SE's skill scaling and feat stats

[faint geyser]

@wraith delta this looks like you applied anim that was made for 1st person to entire rig instead of only to upper body

[wraith delta]

Ohh so it doesn't auto detect the needed animation set? I'll change that then, thanks for clarification

[faint geyser]

what do you mean by that? Im assuming you have a single anim that you put both in xbase and xbase.1st, but that single anim was made based on some 1st person anim from the looks of it (that floating bend knees pose is how 1st person anims usually look)

and when you play it in 3rd person ofcourse game has no idea what kind of anim it is and whats you intention, if you tell it to play the whole thing with high priority on entier skeleton - that what it does

you just need to change the bone group to only do upper body

[wraith delta]

Changed thank you

[vivid musk]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/493719836053078016/1493190525363290212/openmw_9dQq58CFv2.mp4?ex=69de118b&is=69dcc00b&hm=79d3c3793d808e9c05481482b3d69e03e108c9e6e1819de068b26ffc68b525a8&

takes some adjusting to actually hit enemies with this mod

[wraith delta]

We would need an animation that's closer to the middle of the screen or I can make the spell just fly towards the crosshair, is that better?

[vivid musk]

the animation does look awkward cause the arm kind of swings too far out
in oblivion it sorta like pushed forwards with the palm down
tbh should just make it fire from the center regardless because while it does look better visually it's not that practical for combat

[wraith delta]

@faint geyser do you have any contact with Fallchildren ?

[wraith delta]

I'll try to make the aiming better

[sick iris]

there is a third person version of the animation, so your just calling the wrong one? or was there something wrong with it?

[sick iris]

you can set the priority of the animation to only use the upper body. Arrean was explaining it to me yesterday when we were sorting out the scrib animation, maybe that could be helpful?
#1377450837651099738 message

[worldly storm]

.arrean

but this may work:

                I.AnimationController.playBlendedAnimation("shield", {
                    startKey = 'block start',
                    stopKey = 'block stop',
                    priority = {
                        [anim.BONE_GROUP.LeftArm] = anim.PRIORITY.Block,
                        [anim.BONE_GROUP.Torso] = anim.PRIORITY.Block,
                        [anim.BONE_GROUP.RightArm] = anim.PRIORITY.Block,
                        [anim.BONE_GROUP.LowerBody] = anim.PRIORITY.Block,
                    },
                    autoDisable = true,
                    blendMask = anim.BLEND_MASK.LeftArm + anim.BLEND_MASK.Torso + anim.BLEND_MASK.RightArm + anim.BLEND_MASK.LowerBody,
                    speed = 2
                })

need to one-linenerize it though

Linked by @​dubiousnpc from #Roll · Apr 13, 2026, 1:11 AM

[sick iris]

do you want me to try and make an offensive cast animation?

[sick iris]

ohhh do i need to set different textkey names for 1st and 3rd anims? 👀

e.g quickbuff and quickbuff1st

or something like that

[wraith delta]

The more choice the better ^^ I won't discard anything

[sick iris]

ok no worries. ill see if i can put something together and get back to you

[faint geyser]

nop, except discord which hes not on rn it seems

[faint geyser]

naw, dont do X/Y cmon, you problem is valid, but your solution doesnt naturally follow

all shooters in the world rn practically use weapons attached to a side of a screen and not to a middle, yet they dont have that problem

and yes usual solution is to emit projectile towards where the crosshair currently lands in the world, and straight ahead if crosshair looks into infinity

[faint geyser]

naw, its completely a lua-side thing, textkeys are fine

[sick iris]

ok cool ty

[wraith delta]

Yep, that's how I want to do it more or less

[wraith delta]

Gladly 3rd-person-alt-attacks have GNU GPL license so I can freely take the animation or code, but giving a heads up to him would be good as always if taking any assets

The vfx is properly applied on spellcasts to the hands without the need to have 3rd person alt attacks installed

[faint geyser]

taking anim from mcar is also not impossible, reanims were based on mcar, i just asked for permission, SVNR is very chill about it

but i dunno I mentioned that ill retarget when ill have time but probably will be no point in that if dubious will make a cool fresh anim

[wraith delta]

I saw they're fully red on nexus so got a little pushed off from MCAR

[faint geyser]

imo would make sense then to ensure that they are aligned with vanilla casting timings, not with the current random timings i have in that quick throw anim

[faint geyser]

what does that mean?

I mean being fully red

[wraith delta]

The permissions

[faint geyser]

did they PK someone? haha

[wraith delta]

Vanilla cast is 1.00s so ideally the touch/target animations would also have 1.00s timer

The self cast from Dubious is also 1.00 so that's nice

[faint geyser]

i mean looks reasonable to me

althoug the part about no donation points is not that reasonable tbh

[wraith delta]

I'm hosting the mods only with DP points

so yeah, kinda dealbreaker for me

[faint geyser]

yea i get it

[sick iris]

👀 it is? haha totally eyeballed it i was just wondering how i could figure out the correct timing

[faint geyser]

that mad cash of like 10 dollars per year is not something one would pass on

[wraith delta]

It's a little something

[wraith delta]

Yeah it's perfectly balanced ^^

[faint geyser]

sweet 😄

one thing i noticed is that for self-cast it seems like particles are behind the palm, not in front of it

did something get messed up?

is first person view model forced to always render on top of particles even if they are added to its bone?

that be kinda strange

[wraith delta]

It's how it looks like in my own implementation from a second ago

[faint geyser]

yea i think hand is still in front but with this pose its not that noticeable

and cmon those spell sounds and music ahaha

[wraith delta]

I've recorded that in 0 volume in windows, what a coincidence haha perfect fit

[wraith delta]

It would be cool to have that glued to the hand

[wraith delta]

version 1.2 is live, got rid of all annoying bugs, especially aiming:

-fixed incompatibility with Skill Evolution
-fixed animation acting weirdly for some players (I hope)
-added hand vfx for spells while casting (thanks to Fallchildren work, I've slightly modified the code and borrowed the vfxbone file - tell me if you need it deleted)
-fixed aiming with touch spells again (hopefully for good)
-fixed aiming with targetted spells, it's not annoying/unintuitive anymore
-prevented quick cast being triggered while writing in the console

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.2 / 13/04/2026

[wraith delta]

You'll like the aiming now, I'm sure

[swift orbit]

Thank you I will test right away

[wraith delta]

I am waiting for your feedback then ^^

[swift orbit]

I just did a quick test and will do more tonight

I can confirm that the vfs for ranged, touch and self cast all work, including the shield effects

It looks beautiful

Also, I find that the spells are far more accurate now

I absolutely love it so far

The spell goes right where I am. Thank you so much

[harsh wolf]

Command Humanoid Target from an amulet doesn't seem to work.

[wraith delta]

Thank you, will fix it asap

[wraith delta]

Thank you, I think it’s satisfying enough now ^^

[gleaming nest]

Great update an fix of the issues, thanks a lot! 🙏
Animation works fine on my end, not floating legs. Right arm and hand are still being raised in the torch holding animation though. Might also be able to be disable it by the same method from Arrean tha Dubious quoted, like removing the line anim.BLEND_MASK.RightArm or so. Also, the right hand has the vfx of the selected spell type too, but not sure if that's actually intentional.
Mysticism and iIllusion spells are completely visible too now.

Btw, one of the best features of not needing to get into a casting stance is still having the normal 360 camera enabled.
This way I can cast behind my back while walking fordward... Cool guy's don't look at explosions

[wraith delta]

Whoops, the aiming will need to be fixed then to not shoot from the back 😄

[wraith delta]

I'll look into blendmask problem further

Aint the torch in the left hand though? 😄

[gleaming nest]

Hopefully low priority, it's pretty fun

[gleaming nest]

Yes, that's the weird thing. I just phrased it like that, because it looks excactly like that animtation

[wraith delta]

Well, it maybe can stay but I need to code in that the player/actor is actually turning to cast so it doesn't look off

But that might be complex shenanigans

The VFX is intentional though, I can make it to affect single hand with a quick edit but I dunno

Might look better with only single hand I guess

[gleaming nest]

Maybe give it a try if it's not that hard to remove and we'll see if it looks nice alongside the lowered (idle) right hand after the removal of the "torch holding" 😉

Oh, another thing that I noticed. When using a spell that uses multiple effects of different schools, only one gets shown in the AOE hit. For example, in the picture I used a spell from Tamriel Rebuild Banishing Light that has a fire and turn undead effect, but only the fire one is visible.

[wraith delta]

Thanks for report, will definitely fix that

[sick iris]

ive been messing around with making some more animations. this is very WIP and i need to redo completely for 1stP to work without spaghetti fingers but i thought it could be cool if there was a different cast for each spell school, any thoughts? i wanted to see what you think before pressing on down the rabbit hole, if you can make it work ill be more motivated.

@wraith delta

also if any feedback/requests im open to hear it

and if you want to test them out, they work fine, just a bit janky looking still

whenever

[wraith delta]

Its no problem to implement each animation per magic school ❤️

Are the anim groups and text keys listed in the archive?🙌

The most important is to have a different animation between target and touch spells

And the rest is just icing on the cake

[sick iris]

yeah theres qctouch for touch, quickcast is just the basic cast so i figure for destruction or whatever target spells

they work pretty well in 3rdP when i was testing, but some visual issues in first because of the type of model i used

[spark steeple]

Add "eldtritch" magic school and keep 3rd person rig fingers as a feature

:P

Then can export 3rd person animations off the first person right for similar effect

not as pronounced though

[sick iris]

it was looking a little bit unintentionally anime

[wraith delta]

I’ll record showcase tommorow

[sick iris]

sweet yeah no rush

[spark steeple]

Skrow, just so you're aware what fingers look like if exported for 1st person off a 3rd person rig :P

[sick iris]

add a few vfx and your good

[wraith delta]

True

[frank apex]

Is there a way to have the off hand casting animation and spell cast during the duration of the spell, sort of like a hold casting? Like flamethrower?

Active shield casting instead of a passive?

[frank apex]

Still hunting for that hood 💀💀💀

[frank apex]

Found it nvm

[gleaming nest]

I found it? It‘s from OAAB. I just retextured it to have the same color as the cape

[frank apex]

Oh yeaaa no it looks terrible and the cape part disappears when I put on my armor on

Netch leather something

The on ra,zhid wears

The thieves guild Dwemer artifact khajiit

[gleaming nest]

These look already very smooth, even better than the vanilla casting animations from Oblivion, which felt a bit exaggerating sometimes.

[gleaming nest]

The reachmen shirt from Tamriel Data? Yeah you would have to manually merge it with any chest piece you‘d like to wear in nifskope or so to stay visible.

[frank apex]

Yikes

Ok

[gleaming nest]

It‘s because the cape is initially a whole armor piece itself. Someone else with more knowledge of modeling or editing nif files should be able to make it a real cape though 😅

[frank apex]

I mean it’s no biggie I use these for capes and hoods https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/49612?tab=images I put in a request on visible finery for the capes and hoods to work too

I was looking to try to make a spell similar to igni from the Witcher or like a force shock

[gleaming nest]

Nice and good that you mentioned it. I wanted to suggest equipable lanterns to the author.

[frank apex]

Those toooooo

[gleaming nest]

Would love to have something lile this!
DetailDevil already made it possible to launch actors far away with his Wabbajak staff effect, so Aard should an option

[frank apex]

But I think it would still take up a pauldron slot similar to the backpack mod

[gleaming nest]

Because of the item having a light effect/enchantment? Maybe 🤔

[frank apex]

Ouuu now that sounds fun

[frank apex]

I’ve used both and they both naturally take up a pauldron slot someone brought it up in the comments on the mod

The finery one

Phhhhh nvm I’m slow

You can and still have the pauldron slot open

[wraith delta]

It would need extra animation work to have the hand in the „charge” state

[frank apex]

Ok with my no experience that sounds so fun

Just to make

[wraith delta]

It's like you "just" have to add an animation text key that will be the charge state and then it can be looped until the cast button is let go

[sick iris]

I was wondering about that 🧐 shouldn't be too hard to add while I'm doing the anims

[frank apex]

Ohhh wards from Skyrim

[wraith delta]

You can make an anim key for that in each anim if that is not a problem

Then we can implement charging without a problem

[sick iris]

Nice, yeah sure that's easy while I'm doing it, I think they can be added to the .kf with nifscope too but I'm not sure how to do that yet

[wraith delta]

I'm totally green in the animations territory 😄 so I am counting on mercy of others haha 😄

[frank apex]

Can’t wait tbh

[sick iris]

No worries, Its all timed very nicely since I just came of making the anims for blurp's shield surfing mod so I'm in the right place to help out, it's just great to be able to help give this amazing gift to the community

[wraith delta]

It really is, I appreciate it hard

Since there is only a handful people able to work on anims in our community

[wraith delta]

Any possibility to extend each animation to 1.00s timer from start to stop? To stay in the balance of vanilla spellcast (1.00s)

since I see it's 0.64s if I understand it right

[wraith delta]

or should I try to modify the speed in game :>

[gleaming nest]

Maybe good to have both options available (if not to much work of course) for possible troubleshooting later. Some people might notice bugs with either approach.

I for example have a some latency on swing animations when using the third person alt attacks mod. Other people don‘t 🥲

[spark steeple]

set speed to ~1.5 (1.5625) and it will be 1 second

in options you send to I.AnimationController.PlayBlendedAnimation

[wraith delta]

Thing is this can make some animations look retarded

It takes more finetuning to setspeed different for several parts of an animation

With async timers

[spark steeple]

yeah

but for simple animations should be ok-ish

[spark steeple]

Except, looking at keyframes - it's not 0.64 seconds, it's 64 frames, we need to know what framerate Dubious saved it at, if it's 30 - then it's just over 2 seconds

[wraith delta]

Then I didn’t understand it right haha

I’ll post the results in the evening, I’ve tried them and theyre great but needed to leave the computer

[sick iris]

Yeah Its no problem to change the timings, I just made them all the same for now because you said it seemed right for testing, I don't know of how to tell what frame rate Im going at though

I assume If I can get it at 60 fps then 60 frames will be a second

[gleaming nest]

Wait, could the problems I have with the latency of third person alt attacks have something to do with framerate of my overall game? Swing animation and swing sfx are not in sync.
@spark steeple pinging you, since we talked about it too

[spark steeple]

I am not sure, someone else would have to answer, I think animation framerate is not the same thing as game framerate, since you don't move in slow motion at low fps

^ that is the case for some game engines, but not for OpenMW or even Morrowind.exe

[sick iris]

Yeah I doubt their connected, I have pretty shoddy fps most of the time but my anims run fine 🤔 there's always a chance for something to be going under the radar though, very new to the animation game and there is some mysticism for sure

[gleaming nest]

Hmm alright, I was hopeful to maybe test and solve the issue that way.
Could I technically increase the fps in the animation just for myself and maybe ger into sync this way? Sounds tedious, but I‘m curious

[spark steeple]

Theoretically... Maybe? Not strictly without redoing the animation, no

You can theoretically go mess with Re-Animation code or Third-Person-AltAttacks code and icnrease animation playback speed a tiny bit

but I've not looked where in them it is

TPAA beign a re-animaiton plugin I'm not sure if it controls its own speed or it's done in re-animation

[gleaming nest]

Uff… as I assumed
I try my best to check for what you mentioned, as far as I can. Thanks for the suggestions!

[spark steeple]

Just make sure to take backups :P

[sick iris]

I wonder.. it's strange that you're having so much unique animation issues 🤔 coul it be a skeleton in your files that's messing with it, you were testing some bone replacer meshes for some WS experiments before that we were talking about. Have you tried it with an empty .cfg? Idk why it would be but some weird stuff going on, like I have that backwards bow glitch from some conflict flipping my weapon bone somewhere

[wraith delta]

Its the same timing but the animation differs when to release a spell ;D when I’ll record you’ll see what I mean, but its great nevertheless 🤝🙌

[gleaming nest]

Good that you mentioned my WS edits, I will try to replace it with a vanilla skeleton and also a fresh .cfg 👍

And that weird backward bow glitch might be caused by the dual wield mod. Since I removed it, my bowshooting isn‘t possesd by Sheogorath anymore

[sick iris]

Hmm good call, I'll check it out. I love that mod but it's a little bit unpolished

[wraith delta]

@sick iris
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EY5W3dTotxI

Definitely quickcast is the one to work on here, maybe quicktouch could be more expressive with the hand 😄
And how do you like guys the VFXes circling the hand and not the actor? Should I add VFX on the actor too? Trying things out here

[frank apex]

Looks really good

What’s the vfx for the invisibility? Is there one for chameleon?

Maybe different hand anims for absorbing and damaging spells?

[sick iris]

thats a different mod

[sick iris]

good idea, ill make a note of it but we'll see how long things take. eventually we'll have it all, im sure

[swift orbit]

Looks great so far

[sick iris]

yeah for sure, its good to see them in action to get a feel for it. they all need work but im actually surprised how well some turned out, the VFX looks great! that does a lot of work to make it look good

[wraith delta]

Yeah the school specific anims are on point

Really great work

[sick iris]

thank you! its going to be really cool

now's the time to get in ideas or requests for gestures.
Obviously they need to be adjusted on the screen but in regards to the actual hand shapes/movements, any thoughts?
i think buff and cast are on the right track, i like the conjuration and illusion but idk about Alteration and i didnt even touch Restoration

[wraith delta]

Might be a good idea to look up oblivion and skyrim anims, maybe there'll be some inspiration ?

[gleaming nest]

Would definitely go for hand circling vfx. Way cleaner at the end I think.

Vanilla casting can keep it‘s big swirls around the actor

[wraith delta]

v1.3 is published
-fixed skill progression and also applying the +1-5 to favored stat on leveling
-fixed interop for Spells of Vvardenfell: Vol. 1 - Trap Handling
-fixed spell hit sound to not being played upon quick casting
-fixed spell magnetism to actors
-added new animations for illusion, conjuration, alteration; also new quickcast animation for target spells (WIP) thanks Dubiousnpc!

[sick iris]

oh man i wasn't ready for people to actually see them

[wraith delta]

No worries, if anything changes, I can upload the newer version

It's a lot better than it was before

[sick iris]

its all good haha their still cool, just embarassingly jank haha

[swift orbit]

The spell cast does seem to be a bit slower in the update. Specifically when the 1h, right arm, is raised back up following the quickcast. I can't tell if it's actually quicker than switching stances. I could be crazy though

Also restoration spell has the spell effect, the glowing circle that would normally be at the feet, coming out of the hand. Not sure if intended

It does seem slower than the presentation videos on the Nexus page with the new animation or it could be my imagination haha. I hope the feedback helps my friends. Absolutely love this

[wraith delta]

I can bring back the quickcast animation for targetted spells and touch spells which are not covered by school specific animation

Anims are work in progress by Dubious we need to let him cook 😅

[wraith delta]

And this is intentional, ideally we are aiming at 1.00s for each animation which equals vanilla animation cast release animation - for balance purposes

It’s a subject to work on though

[median merlin]

I loved playing Oblivion with this cast animation replacer. Very dramatic. Just posting for inspiration
https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/12626

[wraith delta]

Maybe snooping around in Oblivion mods to find some animations with allowed permissions might be a good call

Since I see in that mod description that it has the same anim format as Morrowind

Nif and kf

I have totally no idea if these can be used in older game

[median merlin]

it would be absolute cinema to see my favourite TES 4 cast animation replacer playable in Morrowind

[swift orbit]

Thank you, my friend. I just wanted to make sure I'm testing and reporting properly. This is so fantastic so far and arguably one of the biggest mods yet haha.

[wraith delta]

We are on Dubiousnpc mercy here but he did a great job 😄 after all of the finetuning we will have an astounding vanilla+ mod

[spark steeple]

retargeting existing animation may be a bigger pain than redoing it. Also morrowind 3rd person may not have enough fingers for a good snap

[median merlin]

a simplified 3rd person snap is ok if we could have a full 1st person one 👌

Fargoth's ring is powerfull

[wraith delta]

I might need to revert that 😅

[swift orbit]

Ahh yes I saw that with all restoration self cast

[gleaming nest]

Yeah it seems that the swirl-vfx for all spells, that previously surrounded the caster is not really matching the size and angles of the arm and hand. Imagined it to turn out way more subtle, but would probably need a mesh replacer just for that purpose, right?
No promises, but I would try myself to shrink the vanilla meshes and rearrange them to complement the casting arm and hand.
Alternatively, could there be a setting to choose from, if the reverted-back-to-the-casters-body-swirl-vfx is visible at all or not in the meantime?

[wraith delta]

I can make it toggleable yes

The idea of smaller meshes for hand vfx animation sounds neat

[gleaming nest]

I'll try my best and would love to contribute to your mod. 💪
Though I'm rather new to mesh editing and am limited by using Mac, which only runs a very old version of nifskope.

[sick iris]

nobody really understands Nifscope

[sick iris]

cool idea! ill definitely try, no promises though 🤞

started on the redo, its definitely a good thing i did because i realised i was using a way out of date rig so i now have a ton of QOL upgrades

[swift orbit]

I love this

[wraith delta]

Outstanding!

[wraith delta]

Take your time and I appreciate the effort 🙌 thank you🚀

[faint geyser]

Yeeeaboooy look at it go, now my that first person camera is getting some action 😉

[gleaming nest]

Gonna try some stuff out now 🫡 🫶
Can you tell (or show via screenshot) me on which bone of the hand the vanilla swirl vfx is placed exactly?

[faint geyser]

Btw does vanilla spell vfx have the same issue that hands are always infront?

[wraith delta]

bone = "Bip01 L Hand"

[swift orbit]

I can't get over how great this looks.

[wraith delta]

If you need both hands then you need to also apply bone = "Bip01 R Hand"

[gleaming nest]

Used this one back then. Felt really nice, but as translation to Morrowind I think the right hand doing finger signs would be too much while holding a weapon.
https://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/25003

[median merlin]

also interesting. I wish they had a video or a gif on the page

[wraith delta]

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[worldly storm]

denis418

Fargoth's ring is powerfull

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[wraith delta]

This is the worst case, but some of the spiral ones vfxes looked good imo

The restoration is not made for hands apparently lol

[faint geyser]

sry dont get how this is relevant, i was refering to first person model being rendered on top of particles, which we talked about before

[swift orbit]

I do notice that sometimes target/ranged spells, such as Spark will hit but they seem to do no damage still? And I swear sometimes the ranged/target will sometimes home in something to left or right of me haha

[wraith delta]

Its also rendered not on hand but rather around it (not glued to hand)

I meant this

[wraith delta]

It still happens after last update

?

[faint geyser]

its not really about around or blued to it, what i was refereing to is that hands in 1st person are rendered in front of particles although particles should be in front based on where they are located

but i guess you didnt notice it or misinterpreted it as not being properly attached or something

[wraith delta]

Yeah most likely I did 😄

[faint geyser]

like if you put partticles into palms and then make anim where palms are facing camera

particles will be behind the hands

but not because they are actually behind

but most likely because they are in fact in palms, but first person hands are rendered on a visual layer which is always infront of the whole world, and particles are for some reason a part of the world and not that first person layer

its a common tech in games, its done so your weapon doesnt clip into walls or enemies no matter how close you are to them

[wraith delta]

Any sane way to fix that ?

Thanks for thorough explanation

[faint geyser]

no worries, i actully dont know if theres fix for it, asking in dev chanel might be a good idea

[swift orbit]

Yes, I just double checked the version, my friend. It doesn't happen all the time. But I have certainly noticed the ranged/target spells homing in

[wraith delta]

I am working on it now, fingers crossed it'll work

[wraith delta]

I'll try to ask that soon

[faint geyser]

are you playing in 3rd person when they home in?

[wraith delta]

It happened for me in 1st person few times, most probably a math problem

[faint geyser]

Math is evil as always

[median merlin]

at this point, this mod is much grander than its name suggests:

• adds a second method of casting spells
• adds unique animations to every magick school

it's crazy

[wraith delta]

It's a proof we can make totally free flying projectiles but it's not needed in this particular case 😄

[wraith delta]

It still has some bugs 🙁 That hurts me the most

[median merlin]

no worries, it's morrowind after all 🪲

[wraith delta]

It's getting there though, I must fix a few more, Dubious will finetune the anims and we have final product to be honest

[sick iris]

@wraith deltahere try these. new 1stP casts, maybe the 3rdP anims you have will work ok, but ill be going over them later anyway, need a rest now lol, let me know how they fit, the speed etc. these are made on a new rig fitted around Max's quickthrow so idk what the timings are going to be like but they look like each one second long

[wraith delta]

Damn

We are in your debt

😄

Thank you so much

[sick iris]

added a Charge key to some to test out, and qctouch has Loop Start and Loop Stop to see if a ward spell is possible

[wraith delta]

Can you show me what you mean with ward spell

[sick iris]

haha all good :D

uhh

[sick iris]

iirc it was a skyrim thing, basically magic shield

[swift orbit]

I have only noticed it in first person, my friend

[wraith delta]

Now I get it

I'd say it's 99.99% doable

[sick iris]

just an idea, its in there anyway so do with as you please haha

[swift orbit]

I haven't noticed it in third as I mostly play first

[sick iris]

but yeah do let me know what needs fixing with timing etc. its not hard to make small edits now i have the base down

[faint geyser]

can also be used for channeled skyrim-style spells

although imo those are ew and morrowind doesnt need skyrim in it (apart from skyrim in TR lmao)

although ward spells are pre cool ngl

[sick iris]

down the line i imagine something like being able to hold a spell cast like you hold a weapon attack, but then you add in more spells alike dynamic spell crafting

[faint geyser]

yea holding/charging spells might be pretty interesting

[sick iris]

i tried but im dubious about the results, Nerevarine has sausage fingers compared to the hero of Kvatch

[faint geyser]

notice that there are poses in that file (on the left) you can apply them by double clicking, or apply flipped (onto another hand) via a right click menu

or mix between current and a pose, also via right click

theres a fist and grip pose in there, maybe thatll help

morrowind fingers are cursed though yea

[wraith delta]

Now it'll be modular

[sick iris]

ah yeah i really need to get better grips with the tools, i didnt know to flip the hand pose so there was some cursed action. overall the new rig is great though! massive QOL upgrade, thank you. its actually insane whats possible now in regards to animating MW

[sick iris]

mm i love how modular and customisable mods are these days

[wraith delta]

It's for everyone ^^

[sick iris]

Thrice blessed

[peak pawn]

half the effort I'm putting into mine is making sure pretty much everything is configurable

[wraith delta]

qcsnap - which anim is that? ^^

to which school I should attach it

[sick iris]

this one

[wraith delta]

To which spells we can attach it :>

[sick iris]

idk it was just for fun

[wraith delta]

It's nice, I want it to fit

[sick iris]

alteraion?

[frank apex]

A snap to distract enemies or lure them to a point

[sick iris]

oh i forgot to make one for that oops

[sick iris]

haha

yeah could add it to SHOP

[frank apex]

A game I can’t think of right now had an ability to like make a noise happen where the reticle is to lure enemies

Assassins creed I think

[wraith delta]

You can alreayd do that with Foxunder dont drop your loot + Sosnoviy Arrow Stick

[sick iris]

yeah i love throwing gold down

[frank apex]

True

Wait does the gold you can throw in surrender(mod) also lure enemies?

[sick iris]

yeah if you have the other mods

[frank apex]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58525

[sick iris]

they all work together

[wraith delta]

I've dropped two guards each 600hp with single target destruction spell and now it doesn't happen. Hopefully it won't anymore for you too

[frank apex]

A gold throwing anim would be cool or a hand up animation for surrendering

[sick iris]

i encourage you to take up Blender

it's a great way to stay in shape

[frank apex]

Imma try seems fun there are a lot of idle anims from skyrims modding that would be cool

[swift orbit]

Ty for the hard work

[wraith delta]

(it also applied the damage every time)

[sick iris]

it is, and its awesome when it starts coming together. i learned everything from youtube and the good people of discord.
https://discord.com/channels/1050589888694722570/1050589889298714638
is a good place to get some of the tools and rig advice if you fancy looking into it

[frank apex]

Cool I appreciate it

[wraith delta]

Finetuning the animations :>

[sick iris]

wow cool!

[swift orbit]

Oh awesome

[gleaming nest]

https://tenor.com/view/roy-mustang-fmab-fma-fullmetal-alchemist-oh-snap-gif-25140678

[wraith delta]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xG1rBucDAxQ

This is so, so freaking awesome

[sick iris]

wow! haha thats looks wild, fair dues! a few things i need to iron out but damn thats so cool

[wraith delta]

The biggest problem is with qctouch

Rest I've managed to fit nicely to the moment of 1.00s of spellcast release

Great job nevertheless mate !

v1.4 is live on Nexus
-added settings to turn on/off every VFX regarding casting spells
-added possibility to change animation speeds in the game for dev purposes
-added more and fixed animations for more spell schools, thanks Dubious!
-added an option to turn on/off debug messages

[wraith delta]

I've added the anim speed settings so you can just replace the anim and test the speeds on the fly if needed

I've set the ones from video as defaults

[sick iris]

yeah thats awesome, that will save me time

[wraith delta]

And you can decide which anim groups are assigned to which spell school and cast type in ossc_player.lua #756-781

Definitely a nice testing rig for all animation work

[swift orbit]

Those look fantastic guys

I can't wait to test

Is there a specific load order for proper testing other than after physics?

[wraith delta]

Not really I think, not until I introduce gmst spell speed (then the load order will matter a lot because of that)

@swift orbit the problems with not applying spell effect and spells homing should be fixed, it was in Magicka Expanded Framework

So make sure to update that

[swift orbit]

I will test shortly and report back

Ty

[faint geyser]

you're welcooome

[spark steeple]

As relevant here as other place. I haven't done anything published with it yet, but new rig is great! Thank you!

[gleaming nest]

The new animations are so fun use and watch, very nice variety!
Especially love the simple and gentle Jedi "force hand gesture" for illusion spells, that reminds me of scenes like this 👋

Snapping for mysticism quite really fitting too.

Besides that, I noticed that the player is leaning forward while casting in third person, which is nice.
But maybe the head needs to be angled up a little bit, since it seem to be alinged to the chest at the moment, as if the player is looking to the ground.

[gleaming nest]

Love the new update, the features and new animations! 🫰💥

Mysticism spells on touch won't work currrently though, like in one of the past versions.

Also, the third person casting animations are a lot more slower than the first person ones. When a spell has been finished casting, the animation is still playing (like having some latency) and forces the caster to play till the end before being able to do any other actions again, like drawing/sheathing weapon or attacking for example.
Are the casting speed settings for developers meant for adjusting only third person because of this? Haven't played around with the settings yet.

[wraith delta]

It's quite the opposite, I will make them adjust also to 3rd person. Sorry!
For the mysticism touch... I have no idea why that happened. I'll fix that quick

[gleaming nest]

No worries! You made the settings available in general, so that we can give you feedback on how they should be as default ones in the very end?

[wraith delta]

It's more for Dubious or anyone making the anims if he want to test them without having to reloadlua or doing other changes

[gleaming nest]

Btw, third person mysticism spell casting on self and target too.
First person works fine for all of them though.

[faint geyser]

Woo, youre welcome, poke me if anything bugs out, im trying to polish up both rig and addon to be a proper one-stop easy start for morrowind anim, so far dubious has a talent of breaking it (mean it in a best way possible)

[sick iris]

Btw @wraith delta I just want I clarify, you were saying the cast works as a 1second long? Or one second to the Release of the spell? I can do either way

@gleaming nest The 3rdP animations are literally twice as long 😅 I am planning to go over them aswell, for parity. just taking it in batches

[sick iris]

Such a cool feature

[wraith delta]

One second to release the spell since it does the same in vanilla cast

And the lua spell release is also 1.00

it's just a matter of fitting the animation to match the moment

[wraith delta]

I've forgot to put them also in 3rd person directories I guess but no idea if they'll work correctly

[sick iris]

Ah gotcha, I misinterpreted that, that actually would give me some room to improve on the movements

Yeah I will see about fitting them to that

[gleaming nest]

Take your time. Really appreciate your animation work for all of the mods of the past weeks 🫶

[wraith delta]

I've checked now and they work fine in 3rd person (the new ones). I just need to add the 3rd person animations to also be affected by the speed settings and we gud, but they seem slow

[faint geyser]

Want some more feature creep?

[sick iris]

Yeah the old 3rdP anims are exactly double the length but that would mean that Release moment would be different if you sync them, it's a difference of like 0.2 of a second but it will be at least subconsciously noticeable

I'm so happy it's working though

[faint geyser]

Or actually i think i can make that as a separate mod if ill be able to interface with thus one: item casting anims! Casting using eg a ring points a fist w a ring to cast

Pulls out a necklace

Or raises a weapon to cast with it

With body gear its weird though haha

[sick iris]

[faint geyser]

Pulling out the boots and raising them in the air to cast lmao

[wraith delta]

Okay then I'll wait with fiddling with this ❤️ take your time

[spark steeple]

Speaking from experience tuning N'Garde, 0.2 seconds are very noticeable , and a looong time

[sick iris]

Yeah especially when you see it a lot, it adds up

[faint geyser]

A mighty hip thrust might be a good option also ahah

[spark steeple]

@wraith delta , I've got a question. When you spawn VFX is there a way to adjust VFX size from lua? I'm either blind or it's not there. But i have a feeling I read somewhere in here that you was doing it, have I imagined it?

[rustic blaze]

It’s impossible to miss if you read the documentation

[spark steeple]

Was looking at addVFX

thank you

this doesn't fly, as I need to attach it to bones, and we can't get bone positions iirc

bleugh

oh well

[rustic blaze]

Body parts are in 0.51

Haven’t tried it myself though but yeah I’m very thankful

[spark steeple]

Are they? Need to doublecheck the latest docs

[rustic blaze]

Damn, I thought it was in types https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_animation.html#%23(BoneGroup)

[spark steeple]

Yah, I don't think we can get bone positions yet

for world.VFX

and can't scale anim.addVFX

[wraith delta]

True and true

The only scaling I did is for magic vfx like the screenshot hyacinth linked

[spark steeple]

Oh well, someone asked for a slider to change spark size in N'Garde, so that's is not happening

[wraith delta]

Not yet at least, unless you prepare a bigger vfx by hand

Which might be feasible to have 2-3 scale options

Small weapons, normal and 2h

[spark steeple]

meh

Maybe

One day when I'm not burned out on blender

[wraith delta]

Blender not my territory 😄

[spark steeple]

wrong thread :P

[frank apex]

💀

[sick iris]

ok, im having a ton of crazy bs with my game right now after updating magic extender and my brain is melting so i didn't test these with the mod but they look pretty sweet now and with parity between 1st and 3rd, all the release timings should be at 1sec (give or take a frame)
@wraith delta assuming theres no major bugs 🤞
now i need to troubleshoot my game 🫠

plus some bonus beast race tail animations

[peak pawn]

Kings, the lot of you

[peak pawn]

Speed that up and he’s a jazz musician clicking his fingers in rhythm

[sick iris]

it would be better than that vanilla dance animation

just need a foot tap

[wraith delta]

I’ll be able to check that closer to evening today 🙌 thank you so much!

Whats wrong with the game though? Maybe I can help/troubleshoot

[sick iris]

my inventory is crashing when i pick a spell, it disappears and i get my logs spammed. i need to turn on my profiler to get a proper log but i got burned out

i just updated ralts mods and openmw to the latest

but i tried run an older version it wouldnt run

failed to initialize shader: gui

i dont know what i did

[wraith delta]

The logs are massacre in 051rc so yeah I get you

[wraith delta]

Because now it reads the 0.51 filepath for all the files of openMW, you need to initialise the older version back

If you want to launch 0.50

Because it tries to run 0.50 with 0.51 files thats why the gui error

[sick iris]

Ah I see, I thought I could have both active

[wraith delta]

I've tested it and it's working good, the timers are on point with 1.0 speed. I've set qcalt anim with placeholders quickcast (target) and qctouch (touch) groups since the school specific qcalt is missing in 3rd person and was breaking it by not starting any animation. Nevertheless it's great now

[sick iris]

oh yeah i totally forgot about the qcalt anim haha oops ah well thats fine im delighted their working im pretty happy with where there at but cant wait to see them in action to be sure

its fun to do so ill definitely come back to it and make more variants when i get some inspiration

need to find some good examples of casting anims, i bet theirs some cool ones for modded skyrim

[faint geyser]

@sick iris you anims look sweet! But i notice theres a kind of steppiness to them, one motion doesnt flow int anothe as smoothly as it can. Are you familiar with a defference between IK and FK on the autorig pro and how to switch between them? Also have you tried using curves view in you animations, setting your keyframe curves transition to auto or auto clamped and/or playing with curve handles?

[wraith delta]

Hey thanks for your work, chad 😄

[faint geyser]

Smoothing out those transitions in a way that inertia/acceleration of motion is satisfyingly kept or smoothly changed through the motion is usually a matter of figuring out better way of working with existing keyframes and not of adding more keyframes

and that whole steppiness feel is bcs of exactly that - motion not preserving intertia/acceleration. When velocity of motion changes instantly in a middle of motion - we notice it as something unnatural since living beings of flesh and muschle just cant do that

[sick iris]

yeah i messed a lot with curves for these, otherwise they wouldnt be half as good. no idea about ik/fk though.
i 100% see all the flaws in them, like my children haha thanks though it wouldnt have been able to do it without your guidance thusfar

yeah i want to get more into using inertial movement

i was as sparing with the keys as i could after seeing how few you had in you cast

it helps a lot

[faint geyser]

And IK/FK difference i mentioned bcs usually for swings, throwing punches, waving hands and really most of the motions we use - we move limbs in arcs, for whick FK is much more suited than IK. IK is more about touching your nose with your finger or pushing an object in a straight line (i.e motions that demand precisie positioning of a palm in space at every moment of that motion, or something like that), certainly not swinging a weapon or throwing a fireball

[faint geyser]

yea i was hoping it might help 🙂 Im lazy so Im trying to figure out how to do more with less

[sick iris]

yeah the new rig is like butter, i love it

except the fingers

[faint geyser]

oo, whats wrong with those?

i noticed that when you manipulate fingers with arp rig handles - vanilla finger bones seem to detach from one another a bit, but it didnt look bad on a mesh so i was hoping its all ok - is that the issue?

Or is it how messed up morrowind hands are in general

if latter then yeah

unfortunately thats true, have to really fiddle with it a lot to kind of, for example, give a general idea of a fist that looks ok

without making proper actual fist as it wouldve been irl, since those hands just cant handle it lmao

[sick iris]

yeah i just end up wrestling with them a lot, i can never get them quite how i want them, have to settle a bit

[faint geyser]

yea, sorry to hear that, have the same pain, i get it, i get it

I dont think theres any sane solution for it, like there is "a" solution of "oh lets just finally make a properly skinned arm/hand mesh and then also fix all the existing vanilla and modded gloves that were created in the past 26 years"

but you know, i think... thats not happening haha

[sick iris]

sausage fingers nerevarine it is, then

its just part of the charm

[faint geyser]

truly is, if we were able to embrace long legs and dice swings, why not sausage fingers

[sick iris]

exactly, and it helps to hold off the "skyrim" style mods that the tes community is know for

[faint geyser]

btw @wraith delta saw comment on Magicka Expanded ahaha

yea i think youll be flooded with comments about new types of elemental effects and TR spells as thats what people seem to expect given the name and description

not the projectile spawning and magic effect application dehardcoding

[wraith delta]

Haters be hating y'know 😄

It does exactly the same as magicka expanded for mwse, just noone has created anything like that yet

[faint geyser]

but i mean i can understand them as well, as i understand theres a mod with a similar name for MWSE or something, but it does a very different thing?

[wraith delta]

We have gaps with vfxes but the functions all can be the same like mwse now

I actually will create a homing new spell to show it's doable

[faint geyser]

you sure? From MWSE mod description its about adding custom magic effects

i.e what recently was added to lua api on the engine side

but your mod is about emitting magic projectiles and applying magic effects

not adding new magic effects into a world

[sick iris]

holy crap dude, im just reading those comments. if i may be so bold, what a dick lmao

[faint geyser]

i.e your mod can not create a new magic effect "holy damage" and have it be enchntable and be available for spell making and all that

[wraith delta]

It can.

[faint geyser]

but i think thats what mwse mod does

[wraith delta]

I'll make a spell for you to see then 😛

[faint geyser]

it can? im confused then lmao

[wraith delta]

You can code any effect you want, the custom spell draft api takes any data, you just need to code that into that spell

apparently

[faint geyser]

can you explain? But like the custom spell effect stuff is a part of openmw api - not of your mod

[wraith delta]

and everything regarding flying spells or spawning spells in the outside world as an object or whatever is achievable with the framework

[faint geyser]

so what does you mod do, do you have some kind of wrapper around that api, or an easy way to detect custom effects on npcs and apply code to them?

[wraith delta]

All the openMW api does right now is to allow custom spells with custom tooltips, icons and description

and my framework vastly expands that. Does most of the handling for you

so you don't have to code it for each and every spell the same things

[faint geyser]

so it does handling of those custom magic effects? I.e its easier to register and write handlers for them?

[wraith delta]

Exactly

as of now without this framework you cannot cast any touch or target spells

self spells kinda work vanilla 0.51 but you still need to code them in to work without framework

I have an idea for launching the spells without the Lua Physics framework

but I'll leave that solution for later, not feeling like refactoring stuff again

[wraith delta]

That's why all you seen so far from others are self spells

[faint geyser]

oh i see, so here I.MagExp.launchSpell({
attacker = actor,
spellId = "lightning_bolt",
speed = 5000,
hitModel = "meshes\vfx\custom_explosion.nif",
boltLightId = "Light_Purple_512"
})

You can e.g provide a custom spell effect id as well as custom explosion nif

what about custom projectile effect nif and sound?

and cast particles?

i.e all vfx stuff thats related to casting a specific spell

[wraith delta]

Refer here:
https://github.com/skrow-42/OpenMW_MagickaExpandedFramework
3. The data Parameter Table
All fields except the first four are optional.

all of these you can determine in launchSpell

I'll make the readme more clear on that point

So I literally like everything is covered. Or almost everything.

If anything is missing, please suggest since I'm looking for it to be THE solution

[swift orbit]

Thank you for the hardwork. I absolutely love this

[faint geyser]

oh yeah cool stuff

Tried to clarify it a bit, i think since you named it in direct reference to MWSE mod, and the main selling point of MWSE mod are custom spell records (and being able to use them in enchantment etc... atleast thats how it sounds to me from MWSE mod descr)

you are kind of implying that this is also a part of your mod

which is quite unfair since it steals credit from people who actually implemented those custom records into the engine

im sure you didnt intend that ofc, but I can understand why this whole confusion arises

[wraith delta]

I cannot agree on me implicating that, the name is for virality, of course.

"It kind of dehardcodes the magic system with available methods from the API, providing a unified public interface (I.MagExp) for modders to trigger spell casts and effects."

"The touch and self spells are possible without any workarounds but launching projectile spells (and projectile weapons like arrows, bolts and throwns) is not possible at the moment because of lacking methods in the openMW api. Here's where the framework fills the gap.
edit: this framework also exposes a lot of very welcome functions to handle custom touch, self and target spells all together as the modder want, not being limited by the OpenMW API alone. "

Nowhere did I take credit for that what you're describing though

always mentioning that it's expanding the current API methods to a large extent

Although if possible, please let's continue this discussion in it's designated topic: https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1492962758445109429

Let's keep this thread of other mod clean

[faint geyser]

do you have a thread for that mod?

[wraith delta]

https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1492962758445109429

OSSC v1.5 is live on NexusMods now:
-fixed VFX of persisting spell effects not being reapplied when switching 1st/3rd person camera
-added animation support for 3rd person camera, thanks again to Dubiousnpc!

[wraith delta]

OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.6 / 19/04/2026

1.6 is uploaded to nexus.
-added Skill Uses Scaled compatibility setting for Magicka spent based skill progression(off by default)
-fixed Use Fatigue setting to actually use fatigue when Quick Casting. Now based on GMSTs to be fully compliant with any user setup
-changed setting keys for users of past versions to not having to reset the anim speed settings
-fixed ui message to be 1:1 vanilla when casting with not enough magicka
-ultimately fixed the input of quickcast and combat controls to be turned off and on at proper timings

[harsh wolf]

What's the kopia animation folder?

[wraith delta]

Gah, forgot to remove the safe copy for testing. Forget it it will be removed in next version

[gleaming nest]

The right „torch holding“ arm is back too 😉
But mysticsm spells in third person work fine 👌

[wraith delta]

This Dubious would have to look into if he will have time and want to do 😇

[spark steeple]

Are animations playing on either left or right arm? If not - you can change the blendmask on your end to exclude the right arm

Can even exclude it conditionally. I remove left arm from the mask if the player is holding a torch/lantern while parrying

Ofc better if animation only has keyframes on correct body parts :P

[gleaming nest]

Oh I thought it can be handled via the script, like Arrean explained here now. Because in the previous version, the arm was resting in the idle animation, unaffected by the casting.

Besides that, I completely agree, that dubious should take his time! The guy‘s side questing hustle is unreal

[spark steeple]

It can be, but I'm not putting on Skrow - it's a bit convoluted to do, the conditional statements get complicated fast

[gleaming nest]

So your approach isn’t the standard method you mean?

[spark steeple]

Half and half? I guess. If one wants to allow movement while animation playing and animation has no root movement - it's better to avoid playing it on legs for example

but deep conditional trees of " if magic school is X - play animation on Y" can quickly get convoluted

[gleaming nest]

I see. Very interesting, thanks for further explanations 🙂

[wraith delta]

I mightve fucked something up apparently while switching the logics

[sick iris]

Yeah I can remove the keyframes from the right arm and legs pretty easily from my end, I just never thought of it haha but it makes sense to only include what's needed. 😋As a courtesy

I want to figure out a SoundGen for the snap too 🫰

[wraith delta]

I need to recheck because its maybe on my end (the blending issue)

Although keeping it only the keyframes associated with our parts of body won’t hurt for sure to avoid some weird conflicts

[sick iris]

Cool no worries haha yeah well meet in the middle for smoothest experience

[wraith delta]

Because when I'm using 3rd person alt attacks, reanimation and ossc, with 1h blunt and 1h longsword I get animation bug, I'll post it later today. I just forgot to tell it every time 😄

Along with 1st person awareness mod

so it's a crazy animation mix

The character cast sideways in that case, have'nt tested all the weapons yet. A good thing to check

It's most probably a conflicting animations problem

[gleaming nest]

I can see the descriped position in the quickcast.nif and xquickcast.nif
Probably either method of removing it from the animation or excluding it in the code would be fine 😁

Naming it torch holding was the most accurate I could think of

[wraith delta]

Nice find

so we got a clue now why it happens

Wouldn't be possible without all of you guys, appreciate it

@sick iris changed the Created by on the Nexusmods with this: Created by
skrow42 and Dubiousnpc. I've overlooked that earlier and it's completely accurate

also Max helped at the beggining of the mod but I have that covered in the credits section

[sick iris]

its a sword haha i only realised today when you mentioned it again, the rig holds an example sword

[wraith delta]

and of course for everyone testing - big thanks to all of you too!

[sick iris]

thats really cool of you, i wouldnt consider it necessary but very much appreciated

[spark steeple]

^yup, that's the default sword hand on Max's rig, alright :D

[sick iris]

lol

[spark steeple]

That's reanmiation and 3p-alt-attacks. Same reason some of my parry animations are much further to the side than others.

Can be solved by including hip and up bones, but I've not had 100% results

[sick iris]

so ill leave the hips in when i clean up the kf?

[spark steeple]

Maybe

As I said - results are inconclusive

[sick iris]

interesting

[spark steeple]

Someone much better at it would have to weigh in

in my case - I was able to make sone animations work

but not the others

[sick iris]

hmm can try both to see if it actually makes the difference

[spark steeple]

e.g. I'm struggling with shield, but 2h weapons are fine

It's also torso rotation

[sick iris]

we must consult the council. haha its all so mysterious

[spark steeple]

indeed

[wraith delta]

Yeah

the cast animation goes like 45 deg to the right the whole body

despite camera aiming forward

so the hand is somewhere else and the spell is flying from the base position

[spark steeple]

yup

[wraith delta]

Overriding the right hand anim does the trick though (for daggers for example it works okay, stiff right hand but still not bugging out the body)

the "torch hold"

so I guess thats a solution to overcome this body rotation

since the quickcast is missing that right hand

I dunno anim work is unknown to me after all

Convoluted

[sick iris]

Eldritch

[spark steeple]

From my experience messing with them - need to play animaiton on correct body parts. E.g. if you need to include torso rotation - include torso, if you need to allow movement - don't include lower body. If you need torso rotated clockwise but head facing forward - rotate the head in the animation

But then - the animation itself should include all the necessary keys to make the above possible

And the problem then is that from Lua - we can only see bone groups as LArm, RArm, Torso and Lower Body

no finer precision

[sick iris]

ah i see, its definitely good to understand the process from both sides

[spark steeple]

arm e.g. is from clavicle down

torso is spine and head

lowerbody is everything belt down including the root bone

Meaning code side options are limited if we want to say where animation is played

[sick iris]

yeah cool, im looking at the rig now and i can kinda see where the grouping is

[faint geyser]

haha, thats just reanimation 1h idle pose

this should be filtered out in lua if desired but then youll have issues potentially with a wrong spine rotation, ideally there should be a set of "weapon pose while quickcast" anims that will keep this exact spine pose but will have a slightly stoved weapon position, on top of those anims then a left hand quickcast can be played

since if you only play quickcast on left hand disregarding everything else - it will align fine with anims that use same spine rotations as rotations you prepared your left hand anims on

but will get misaligned if you play left hand anim on top of animation that uses a very different spine rotations (like probably dagger anims from reanim, or many vanilla anims)

[faint geyser]

that grouping might not match exactly

for example i believe openmw arm group does NOT include a clavicle bone

[spark steeple]

^ good info, cause I was pretty sure it does

But that explains why I couldn't get my "raised shoulder" parts of the animation to work properly

[faint geyser]

ok actually im not sure now,

[spark steeple]

🤷‍♂️

[faint geyser]

i was under a strong impression that it doesnt, since i also had issues with that

[spark steeple]

There's some fuckery for sure

[faint geyser]

and i think i remember thinking that docs are misleading

so eh

[wraith delta]

This what I was thinking to get that feel together with weapon being animated slightly

[faint geyser]

What i meant here, to simplify:

1. upper body anim that sets spine bones into right rotation and provides a "weapon while quick casting" pose for a weapon
2. quick casting anims thats played on top of that only on left hand

[spark steeple]

Depends if you want to be able to attack while quick cast is playing

[faint geyser]

ofcourse "weapon while quick casting" will need to be prepared for all different weapon types, which is a bit annoying, but on the other hand it doesnt need to be complicated, can literally be just a single frame with a single pose

and for the bobing that pose while moving around - can just apply same simple spine bob anim im applying to attack hold poses in reanim

fairly easy if you use reanim api

still fairly easy if you dont

just slightly less easy

[faint geyser]

oh no, that be a logistics mess animations wise, for all that to be proper aligned

[spark steeple]

then definitely forbid that

lmao

[faint geyser]

I dont think theres a unified back bone position rn among animations, and it will require that

i think reanims have it unified, but for daggers i probably also threw that unification out the window since i was doing it in cascadeur and didnt want to fix it all up after cascadeur made arbitrary changes

it is a bit annoying, for sure

[faint geyser]

but i mean also maybe it might be kinda good enough, ye a sword chop will be like 15 deg misaligned for example, and that will look a bit jank

but you know

[spark steeple]

Yeah, it's a couple frames

[faint geyser]

... mods... we have a fairly high jank affordance here

also could be a nice little perk maybe

[spark steeple]

but someone will notice, e.g. my dagger animation was snapping weirdly - had incorrect blendmask, got reported immediately

[faint geyser]

although probably too little advantage for a perk

... although

if channeled spells will become a thing

then that perk will give a very strong advantage

for attacking while channeling

[spark steeple]

can channel a barrier or somesuch while fighting

it will need custom spells for it to be useful

base game stufff - meh

[faint geyser]

yea, and can make it better than those pathetic single flassid swings in skyrim that you can do while channeling

yea for sure

[faint geyser]

try these:

that yaml file is an animation blending file, should be placed besides the kf file

if you are not familiar with it - details are here openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/modding/animation-blending.html

keys, its just a pose with a single frame (well, 2 actually) with a somewhat lowered 1h weapon

idea is that you run quickcastpose1h start-stop in a loop on the whole upper body while running your appropriate magic school quickcast anim on left arm on top of it

quickcastpose1h will ensure appropriate back bone positions so left arm anim will stay perfectly aligned.
.yaml file includes an animation blending config (more like animation smoothing config, i think "blending" is a bit of a misnomer, blame me for that) that attempt to make that transition to this single frame pose a bit more fun, so essentially that config file takes care of some simple weapon anim while quickcasting

if it looks crap - play around with the duration and easing fields

something like easing: "cubicInOut" or "quartInOut” will probably be much more conservative and tame looking, and probably also smoother

reminder: although i name my groups CammelCase - its all always completely lowercased in lua

[wraith delta]

I'll work on it, thanks for explanation

[median merlin]

sorry to ask for more animation tweaks, but maybe touch cast could be moved more to the center

[sick iris]

yeah fair, that does look pretty goofy

[peak pawn]

these are not the animunculi you are looking for

[swift salmon]

Great mod! It's truly an achivement of the community.

some problems

1. Touch and ranged effects don't connect with the target consistently, (people on nexus already noted it in comments).
2. I use Rafael shaders and there is a problem with projectiles. The moment projectile "rendered" over the sky, it kinda disappears as if the VAIO shader is rendered over the projectiles. Disabling the VAIO shader solves the problem. Not sure to whom I must address the problem.
3. Healing spells (self) show yellow target bar as if you target a npc (though health is equal to yours and it heals the same amount, so I guess it kinda treats you as a separate target?). The least important thing, though it behaves different from standard casting.
4. In scripts' setting menu the mod is named 1.4 - either it's just a mistake in menu file or you have archived and uploaded the wrong files (the archive itself is named correctly as 1.6)

[sick iris]

2. is an engine bug that is most visible with VAIO, the same thing happens with most transparent effects like torch fire

its still there in vanilla, but rafs sky replacer makes it much worse, same for zesterer's clouds iirc

[wraith delta]

1. I am working on it
2. Yeah its problem with the shaders.. :/ I’ll troubleshoot it maybe I could come up with something
3. I didnt know that, will look into🙌
4. just a tiny oversight ✋

Thanks for the extensive report 👌

[spark steeple]

#2 is the same issue that causes torch flames disappear against the sky. Raf previously commented on that. I don't know if it can be fixed on OSSC end

Bill discovered some things which allowed partial or full fixes for the Ghostgate and cobweb NIFs. Torches and magic effects use a particle emitter, and neither of us found a nice way to make them work without additive alpha. Basically they'd either need to work with alpha clipping (like the cobwebs), or alpha blending that is never ever below 0.5 (like the Ghostgate)

Torches, magic and anything else that effectively spams particles are all a bit tricky, neither Bill nor I could figure out a way to make them write depth and still look ok.
For snow I'll try at some point to make a stable screen-space effect.
For rain we already have the falling rain in wetworld.
Both the in-game snow and rain effects have to go away in the long run.

[sick iris]

I'll keep banging the drum to bring back 2d billboards

[faint geyser]

its not that difficult tbh and will look very good if its a short effect and not too big, billboards are still actively used in 3d games

(blood splatters, bursts of vfx, swirling dust, etc)

its just not a lot of people seem to see a potential, probably most people are used to jank vfx and sfx and its kinda good enough

especially sfx oh my god those crunchy cheap body hits

my proof of that is that there are few magic sfx replacers that consist of sfx ripped straight out of other games such as Lineage 2 which dont fit the vibes of morrowind at all and just sound silly

yet many people use it

and no its not like different strokes for different folks

i obviously hold objective truth lmao

btw re sounds, I probably shared it before but will share it again https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/50240