Dubious Intentions

[little pelican]

Yeah for sure, feel free to copy whatever you want

[primal lance]

ill be lifting a few turns of phrase to be sure haha. Ill try and give its own personality though

[full chasm]

@primal lance I noticed in your bardcraft recipes there's a dbs_wilcard.lua. Is this different from your main wildcard file?

Simple Tasks also has CraftingMaterials_Dubious.lua

[primal lance]

You only need CraftingMaterials_Dubious.lua
that should be the main file, i thought i had cleared out the old ones

[full chasm]

Okay I thought so

[primal lance]

id be interested to hear your thoughts if you end up trying Simple Tasks, i really would like to expand on the idea but im not in a rush because crafting is getting a big update at some point

[full chasm]

I have it installed but I haven't done anything with it. And Crafting Framework is getting an update?

[primal lance]

yeah thats the word, seems like it could some big changes 👀 🤞

[full chasm]

Like what???

[primal lance]

i've seen talk of more complicated recipes and recognizing different types of crafting station which would be a dream for making cool recipes

[full chasm]

Oooh

[primal lance]

yeyeye im looking forward to it

[primal lance]

Baths of Vvardenfell 2.6 now released!

Version 2.6
-converted to .esm for greater compatibility
-added patch for Sheogorad: Groves of the North
-added patch for Odai, Lifeblood of Balmora
-new FX for using the sauna (thanks hyacinth) (REQUIRES Sun's Dusk 1.8!)
-updated scripts to align with Sun's Dusk 1.8 API changes
-fixed misnamed signs (they still don't flap... )

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57893

[hazy stump]

I just want to say that this Geralt thumbnail always makes me chuckle 😄

[primal lance]

hehehe ikr, Articus really sorted me out with that one, probably a big cause of the mods success tbf 😄

it really sets the tone

[primal lance]

oh man animation is tough.

two hours of work😅

mostly learning and trial/error though

thanks so much @outer zenith for your bizarre armature, it actually makes it a pretty fun challenge

[strange stratus]

Are you going to make a glider animation? 🥺

[primal lance]

thats the plan 🙃 if i can figure it all out, this is an attempt at a shield surfing anim to test things out

[strange stratus]

Oh hell yeah! I think I could do shield surfing pretty easy by the way

Very similar to the glider code

Maybe I'll include it in the glider mod too

[primal lance]

sweet! it is a great combo for traversal, haha just need a good hookshot mod now i'm testing Sahjop's prototype, its a lot of fun but that could do with an animation too 🤔

[primal lance]

so are you aiming for botw style hang glider or is it more like a device?

[strange stratus]

Botw is the goal

[primal lance]

yeah nice

[strange stratus]

If you do end up making a gliding animation, please keep the hands in the exact same relative positions to one another 😁 (for the idle/falling anim)
I think I can re-use the falling leg animations so it's really just an upper body thing

[outer zenith]

You are welcome! Is it working ok for you? I tried making some anims with it recently and that whole spine autoposing is cool and all, but mixed kinematics mod was breaking too frequently to have an enjoyable experience :/

[outer zenith]

How are you moving the actor in space in arbitrary directions while also respecting object collisions?

[outer zenith]

Although this certaily doesnt look like my armature, seems to be a proper autorig armalture, i guess you meant my blender addon then, yes that stuff should still work properly hopefully haha, and be useful

[strange stratus]

I'm cheating by overriding player movement

[hazy stump]

It's called "chimming"

[strange stratus]

I'm doing some massive chimming*

[outer zenith]

Oh so like, slowfall+movement override = gliding?

[strange stratus]

Correct

[outer zenith]

Smort, very smort

[strange stratus]

Danke

[outer zenith]

You must have an absurdly gigantic kopf :3

[strange stratus]

Shield surf would be speed boost + movement override

and it gets killed if you are off the ground

Pretty simple

[outer zenith]

Wonder if wallrun can be done in a similar fashion

[strange stratus]

Yeah actually

[outer zenith]

Like biggest issue is aleays y axis, but you can kinda control y axis then with a level of slowfall

As long as you dont need to increase y

Thats pre rad

[strange stratus]

The big blocker for me is animations and models

[outer zenith]

Slope sliding and wall jumping/running are 2 movement techs i wanted ha

[strange stratus]

#1475723166612455548 pre-release is available on GitHub right now if you're curious

[outer zenith]

Although maybe wall jumping wont work since you do need to gain some y there

[strange stratus]

Yeah that would be tough. There's a double jump MVP out there

It spawns an invisible static below you

[outer zenith]

Ha, does it work seamlessly, or kinda jank?

[primal lance]

yeah i suppose that what i meant 😅 its great, but like all visual art, hands are wierd

[strange stratus]

Hands are super weird
I don't know if the double jump is smooth or janky

[outer zenith]

Yeah i get you, isnt there a controller though to just clench the whole fist? And also you know of poses library? Super handy for hands, setup a hand pose, save to lib, reuse later

[primal lance]

i know of nothing sera, i just went in headfirst haha im using the animation compilation thats linked on the github but i havent figured out any qol yet

[outer zenith]

Wooa, brave!

[primal lance]

i feel like i have achieved a milestone as a modder 🥹

[outer zenith]

Tbh perspective of some light movement tech is so exciting, i wish we had a way to meaningfully increase z coord, but already so many times i just wanted to land a sick ass jump on a side of a slip and slide down on my bottoms

[primal lance]

yeah when moving is fun it can add infinite playability to a game

[full chasm]

Imma be honest, I genuinely have no idea what Morrowind Rebirth is

I know its an overhaul but idk what it changes

I just see "not compatible with morrowind rebirth" all the time

[strange stratus]

We can do it 💪

(not z but the other stuff)

[primal lance]

has anyone else tried this? https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1443431228287094946
its very early iteration of a free running mod.
its amazingly freeing even just to be able to quickly vault a waist high wall

its currently very dangerous indoors though

[primal lance]

yeah haha me too as far as i know it basicly touches everything with tons of scripts and landscape edits and all that compatibility nightmare stuff. yeah "not compatible with Rebirth" is a bit of a meme

[little pelican]

Which mod?

[outer zenith]

ugh, cool ideas always appear when i least want them, but i think ill probably maybe obstain from working on this, otherwise ill be modding forever, seems like there are already few mods working on movement tech

theres one by s3ctor

and one on nexus i think that adds vaulting and even wallruning (currently bugged allegedly)

or maybe ill poke a little at it ugh i dunno

probably not

how difficult is it to dynamically adjust currect player speed, just boosting speed stat by editing it modifier doesnt work right, or does it?

[primal lance]

@sand hedge was doing some very promising work with momentum on slopes, probably a good person to ask

[primal lance]

sorry i shouldn't keep dragging people into conversations

[strange stratus]

No worries, I got the bandwidth this weekend to try it out

[outer zenith]

id like to hear from them tbh, so why not

if they can share what they were working on in this regard

[primal lance]

They just happened to share progress on the Showcase thread haha I guess it's movement mod month #showcase message

[proper isle]

josal32

Finally uploaded the sensor toolkit. It's a raycasting tool that I wanted to develop into a library, so that different mods could get access to the same raycasting data. If you're doing complex raycasting stuff, then there's probably at least useful code in the project.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ar0cXb5J848

Linked by @​dubiousnpc from #showcase · Feb 27, 2026, 6:43 PM

[hazy stump]

nice idea there

[plucky moth]

ikr

[hazy stump]

every time I see a contraband-related mod, I hope that the modder included FMI in some way

and if not, then at least a patch

[full chasm]

I kind of appreciate that the two main approaches to fixing how contraband works is either:

"It doesn't make sense that they know you have skooma so I've removed the mechanic from the game"
or
"The game has this mechanic already so might as well extend it to everything that should be considered contraband"

And both are valid. I prefer the second one though. I always just assume they get a glimpse of it when you open your bag.

[hazy stump]

Service refusal is also a workaround because item-specific refusal in barter screen wasn't implemented (only item categories). The devs probably didn't want to bother with this.

[median dragon]

I just assume it stinks to high heaven

[full chasm]

Oh interestinmg

[full chasm]

How does that work for ebony tho

[median dragon]

You don't wanna know. But I meant scooma and moonsugar

[hazy stump]

Withour service refusal, every merchant who buys potions would buy skooma, for example

[primal lance]

Yeah maybe the barter window is a more literal representation of your bag. it's all just loose in there among a bunch of plates, food, gold, bottles of acid the only way to pay him is to dump it all out and put it back in every time

[full chasm]

I like the service refusal mechanic personally but I get why people don't

[full chasm]

That kinda makes sense

[primal lance]

I like to have to plan ahead in games like this, this makes you a lot more paranoid about carrying contraband

[hazy stump]

I'm fine with it but obv it would be "cleaner" if service refusal happened when you actually tried to sell that skooma.

[full chasm]

Yeah definitely but ya know...

[primal lance]

It wouldn't be quite as interesting then imo, It would be so rare that you wouldn't even encounter it unless you were a complete noob

[hazy stump]

well, with FMI contrabad it isn't so unlikely

I don't see how it's any less or more interesting

[primal lance]

If it only happened when you try to sell it then you just have to not try to sell it and it's never an issue

[hazy stump]

dropping it on the ground to sell stuff is not an issue, either and that has been the norm for... 20 years

note that in Vanila nobody ever calls the guards so it's pretty light

[primal lance]

but it is an issue literally because they refuse to open the barter window. It's been the norm for 20 years and it still catches people out. People like/hate it as a mechanic. No one would talk about a mechanic where you can't sell certain items, that is a mechanic already in the game with certain merchants only buying types of items and it's not something people have made a lot of mods to fix.

Because it's not interesting as a mechanic

But service refusal is imo

[hazy stump]

It will be more of an issue with the new mod because you will at least have to try to hide before putting the stuff away.

[primal lance]

yeah, im enjoying it. it's funny because they react as soon as you interact with the thing at all so it does feel more like your being careful around them

@hazy stump do you know of a mod that prevents summoning daedric princes except on their summoning day? i feel like we were speaking about one but i cant find it now

[median dragon]

T'was you that asked about it in my H&B mod chat, right?

I've since found one:
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/50074

Not sure if it's the one you were talking about

[primal lance]

nice! i think thats the one, i had no memory of the name haha

[median dragon]

Nice. Going to doublecheck the summoning dates with what I've got

[primal lance]

does it match with H+B?

oh haha awesome

[hazy stump]

No. The author who implemented gold cost for summoning (like in DF) ignored the day part.

Which is understandable in MW, I guess, although maybe it can be implemented in some cool way. Maybe summoning would be free on that day, for example.

[median dragon]

All match, except I have no mention of Nocturnal on Tales and Tallows (Hearth Fire 3rd)

However, Nocturnal and Vaermina are not in the game, so

That is from description, let me check actual esps

[hazy stump]

They aren't. Unless TR implemented their quests.

[median dragon]

And if TR did - that mod won't cover them cause it's a direct mwscript edit

of the scripts attached to the statues

I wonder if I can implement it dynamically in H+B, intercept onActivate on Statue

Oh, they even missed Boethiah.
Only these 5 are covered:

Out of those affected - 5 out 4 match. They have wrong date for Molag Bal, 20th of Evening Star, instead of 24th.

However. That's Chil'a -
Which has two dates listed. And in Daggerfall the 24th is the day of Molag Bal, so I went with that

There's apparently 3 daedric quests currently in Tamriel Rebuilt too

[strange stratus]

Yes you should be able to intercept activate and drop it or do something else

[median dragon]

yeah, that's the idea. Drop it, show message to the effect of "Prince is deaf to your plea, come back later" unless it's correct date.

[strange stratus]

Deaf yeah

[median dragon]

deathinitely :)

[strange stratus]

Or you could do the offering thing pretty easy too

[median dragon]

Yeah, check inventory for correct item, and remove it

[strange stratus]

This would be a nice tidy lil mod

[median dragon]

You think it should be separate? Since I have a mod that tracks and displays holidays and summoning days, I thought I'd plug it in there

[strange stratus]

Could make it a setting

[median dragon]

oh, that's for sure

don't want to scare minmaxers away

[primal lance]

ah thats so cool

[full chasm]

This mod has a bath but it has no water in it and it isn't usable with SD https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57154

[little pelican]

Feel free to leave a comment asking them to add interop haha

They're very active so shouldn't be a problem

[full chasm]

I'll do that! I just figured Dubious might know how to make a patch

[little pelican]

There are examples in the Sun's Dusk files but also yeah dubious has them as well, I just haven't polished the docs up for interop yet <_>

But yeah that mod creator has been around the block, it would take him like less than 2 minutes compared to whatever he's done for ashfall. You can probably just leave a comment and he'd be able to do it

[full chasm]

I left a comment!

I didn't even realize it was Kalinter

[primal lance]

ooh looks nice. i love seeing mods for PTR

i have many Kalinter mods

they're always good

[primal lance]

doing a bit more work on this to clear my head from animation psychosis. i got loads of icons to fill in the terrain and features but damn.. its so big its going to take forever

if anyone has any particular requests for map features im open to ideas

i need to make it LivelyMap compatible to test it ingame

[full chasm]

Wait what is this

[primal lance]

I'm making a paper style worldmap that fits the grid

[full chasm]

Holy shit yes

[full chasm]

With TR/PT?

[primal lance]

That's the goal yeah, as far as I have found no one has made one, there's lots of pretty maps that don't fit or accurate maps that are too modern

Long project, this is a screenshot of progress. I have all the roads and settlements marked in

I have tons of icons for terrain and towns taken from old 16th century maps that I want to paint in but that part is going to take eternity

[full chasm]

Are you illustrating this yourself?

[primal lance]

Not so far, it's all taken from online assets. I'm going to make some custom ones for the cantons and weirder fantasy stuff though. Open to ideas for unique POIs or details

[full chasm]

This is awesome. This was literally the main thing keeping me from using an alternative map mod

[primal lance]

Haha yeah I've been enjoying Stranger ina Lively Land addon for LivelyMap but I've been wanting a full scale map like this for a long time. since my massive disappointment at skyrims map actually, oblivion had the right idea there at least

Big cred for this goes to Acid Zebra for getting that started and hooking me up with tutorials and asset libraries

[full chasm]

@primal lance There's a random bath house banner in Suran that's nowhere near the bathhouse

[primal lance]

Oh wierd, that's near where the old one used to be, it must be right on the edge of a cell so it didn't get cleaned up when I moved it

[full chasm]

The only solution is to add a second bathhouse

[primal lance]

I'll just equip this guy with a bucket and sponge

[full chasm]

There ya go

[primal lance]

Lol, I'm away from pc atm but I can fix it when I get back.

[full chasm]

This is urgent. I require a fix immediately

||Obviously take your time lol. Just thought I'd point it out||

[primal lance]

Feel free to make a patch lol

[full chasm]

Eh

[primal lance]

The people are crying out for it

Just look at these scathing reviews. Something must be done!

[full chasm]

https://klipy.com/gifs/thats-it-yes-thats-it-1

[full chasm]

@primal lance How do you go about running the various tools when you mess with your load order?

Like

• Delta
• Groundcoverify
• S3Lightfixes
• Navmesh tool

[primal lance]

its a bit cumbersome but i just delete the generated files and then run the tools seperately through Powershell

.\delta_plugin.exe merge --skip Cell --skip Dialogue --skip DialogueInfo --ignore NordWarFur.esp .\delta-merged.omwaddon

.\groundcoverify.exe --verbose --delta-plugin-exe .\delta_plugin.exe

there's a few weird mods i use that i have to manually remove or i get errors so i do it like this.

then s3lightfixes i have a shortcut to the .esp on my taskbar
and i use the launcher for navmesh tool as i cant get it to run with a cmd.
its a bit of a frankenstein for sure

here's my s3lightfixes toml if you want a look, its pretty heavily modified

[wispy widget]

I use the ones from momw tools and just run them all from cli like that

[full chasm]

What is this one lol: NordWarFur

[full chasm]

Why do you have the delta plugin set to skip cells, dialogue, and dialogue info?

[primal lance]

its a really nice fur armour replacer ported from skyrim. for some reason the pants go invisible if it gets merged haha

[full chasm]

Weird

[primal lance]

idk actually, i got the cmd line from momw. i only recently started using it because i wasnt sure how to read my .cfg with tes3merge

[full chasm]

.\groundcoverify.exe --verbose --delta-plugin-exe .\delta_plugin.exe

Also, what does the "delta plugin" part of this do?

[primal lance]

same answer 😅 just recently started using the tools, because i was all manual i didnt know about them

[full chasm]

I guess this is all on the momw website lmao

[primal lance]

sort of, i didnt find much documentation there

[full chasm]

Some of it is there

[primal lance]

yeah not the details i wanted but enough to make it work

[full chasm]

Thank you!

[primal lance]

no problem haha any time :D hope it helps

[full chasm]

I've just made so many changes to my customizations file that I think at this point I might as well just manually update my config

[primal lance]

here's my jank if anyone wants to have a rummage around

[primal lance]

yeah i did a lot through the launcher for a while but now im used to the .cfg its way easier

[full chasm]

Yes please

[wispy widget]

I’m gonna take a look too, I’m still prepping my new mod list for a new MQ run LOL

[primal lance]

no worries, there's definitely some gems in there

PLOX may have messed my load order a little bit recently, i tried to run it but i think there was too much to manage and i had to fix it

[full chasm]

I’m almost wondering if I could make my own version of the configurator that does this for me lmao

Minus the part where it validates the config file. Just the part where it runs all the tools

[primal lance]

yeah that would be nice

[full chasm]

I could probably even have it comment and uncomment the plugins in the cfg

Maybe

[primal lance]

Oh I'd be eternally grateful if you could, it can be a bit of a drag

[full chasm]

I’ll fuck around with it

[full chasm]

Shout out to python and regexes

You'll need to update lines 10 and 11

but otherwise put this in your tools folder and run "python morrowind_setup.py"

[primal lance]

tysm that rules

[median dragon]

args = sys.argv

if len(args) != 3:
    print("usage")
    print(f"{args[0]} CFG_PATH OUTPUT_DIR")
    print("if your paths contain spaces enclose them with quotes")
    sys.exit(-1)

# Configuration
TOOLS_DIR  = Path(__file__).parent
CFG_PATH   = Path(args[1]) #openmw.cfg path
OUTPUT_DIR = Path(args[2]) #Wherever you want the output to go

can't bear to see a brother struggle sys.argv to the resque

[full chasm]

That's even better

[primal lance]

word

[median dragon]

small edit, forgor that args[0] is the script name

[primal lance]

so where do i put my paths?

[median dragon]

with my edit python morrowind_setup.py "path_to_config" "path_to_output"

just call it like that

without my edit - replace paths on lines that start with CFG_PATH and OUTPUT_DIR

[primal lance]

i add this line?

[median dragon]

that's how you call it from console

or terminal

[primal lance]

oh yye

gotcha

[median dragon]

python.exe maybe on windows. It's been a bit

but otherwise should be the same

e.g. python morrowind_setup.py "/home/arrean/.config/openmw/openmw.cfg" "/home/arrean/projects/"

also - ofc I forgot the fukken exit if the args are wrong :P. Added

[primal lance]

haha no worries, thank you

[primal lance]

i love this! its like my little buddy

[primal lance]

is there a way to make it add/replace to the meshes folder? or to auto delete the the old one before starting?

not a big deal but it crashes if i dont delete it first

File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 82, in <module>
move_output("meshes")
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 30, in move_output
shutil.move(str(src), str(dst))
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.13_3.13.3312.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\shutil.py", line 854, in move
raise Error("Destination path '%s' already exists" % real_dst)
shutil.Error: Destination path 'C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\00 Core\meshes\meshes' already exists

[median dragon]

Change:
before line 35:

    bckp = dst + "_backup"
    if os.path.exists(bckp) and os.path.isdir(bckp):
        shutil.rmtree(str(bckp))
    shutil.move(str(dst), str(bckp))

and ```python
import os

at the very top in the import section

or just take this

it will create a _backup folder for anything that it tries to move

on next run it will delete old backup and create a new one

[primal lance]

sweet thank you! its such a cool little super power, im getting to the point where i can sometimes find what im looking for in code but its still semi witchcraft

[median dragon]

It's nice when it clicks

[primal lance]

yeah, ive had a few small moments with lua and mwscript where i could see the matrix, theres just too many disciplines involved in modding to master them all

[median dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/cry-cat-gif-20135521

animating

[primal lance]

for real

[median dragon]

imma share some of my shame

🤣

[primal lance]

good to see im not the only one randomly exploding 👍

[median dragon]

What drives me mad is that it seems non-deterministic

I'll redo the same stupid simple animation, in exactly the same way, export it in exactly the same way, and different part of it would explode

[primal lance]

yeah! sometimes you have to just start over, it's like doing clay-mation and getting too many fingerprints on a piece or something

[median dragon]

It's incredibly disheartening. I do realize that I came into this with next to zero knowledge of blender, but daaaaamn

[primal lance]

yeah i feel you, its been a grind. im starting to see progress in mine for a simple baseline but that also opens up questions of how make it more complicated

[median dragon]

I'm not even at that stage yet. :D

I'll keep on it though

need to finish at least one more anim before I can post the alpha of the parry mod

[primal lance]

nice, hold fast! it looks like its gonna be sweet if you can crack it

i get this far and it feels so good

and then this happens..

[median dragon]

nice

[median dragon]

ofc it does

[plucky moth]

Tony Cliffreacer's Pro Shielder

[primal lance]

we turned Tony into a glider

[primal lance]

File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 74, in <module>
move_output("delta-merged.omwaddon")
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 34, in move_output
OUTPUT_DIR.mkdir(parents=True, exist_ok=True)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.13_3.13.3312.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\pathlib_local.py", line 722, in mkdir
os.mkdir(self, mode)
~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^
FileExistsError: [WinError 183] Cannot create a file when that file already exists: 'C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW\openmw.cfg'

sorry to bother you again i just still having some trouble with my new buddy, it still seems to be having trouble with replacing the old file, any ideas?

[median dragon]

ah, ofc

cause I only added handling for dirs

lemme update it a bit

[full chasm]

Python is pretty straightforward too

[primal lance]

it seems so, its not entirely spaghetti anyway. i can just about make sense of a lot of it

[median dragon]

not spaghetti at all. I would've written it a bit differently, but it's fine

[full chasm]

I probably would have too lmao

I just whipped that up in like 30 min to see if I could make one that worked

[primal lance]

i just mean my perception of it, it looks quite neat

[full chasm]

I’ve been writing a lot of VBA macros to code for me and those work similar-ish

The difference is I had templates with replacement parameters like

{{TABLE_NAME}}

Which are a lot easier to replace and edit

Without that I had to use regexes and I hate regexes lmao

[primal lance]

VirtualBoy Advanced? i didnt know they made a sequel to that

[full chasm]

Unfortunately it’s worse than that

Visual Basic for Applications

It’s built into Excel

[primal lance]

ah yes

[full chasm]

And it’s awful. It feels unfinished

[primal lance]

is that a work thing?

[full chasm]

But I literally had it write fully functional code for a like 100 jobs for me last week

[full chasm]

Yep

[primal lance]

gotcha yeah, you play the hand your dealt

[full chasm]

I wish I had more time to code for fun.

My Python is kinda rusty. I use it a bit at work but it’s 99% tweaking the existing code that’s there

Gotta learn Lua 😤

Lua’s also really straightforward

Someone was talking about it in here yesterday but the OpenMW API is the intimidating part lmao

[median dragon]

ugh

I dunno:

try this:

may blow up

however - I rewrote path handling to use os.path instead of pathlib, and merged comment/uncomment methods - with a binary flag to do either

and added a check before we try to create the output dir

[median dragon]

It very much is, API is often weird

[primal lance]

tysm! ill try it out

[full chasm]

I’m sure OpenMW’s is straightforward once you get the hang of it but learning new APIs is always hard lol

Or, an adjustment I guess

[median dragon]

Documentation is weird. A lot of stuff is not documented. E.g. See my comments in #1403115098784141454 thread

[full chasm]

Speaking from experience, no one ever wants to write documentation

[median dragon]

yup

[median dragon]

btw. Line 40 should be os.remove not shutil.remove. Brainfart

[primal lance]

durr slight syntax error. "no quick fixes available" damn you vscode 😭

PS C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools> python morrowind_setup.py "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW\openmw.cfg" "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\00 Core"
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 34
if not.os.path.exists(OUTPUT_DIR)
^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

[median dragon]

not,os should be not os

[primal lance]

ah ok cool

[median dragon]

I fatfingered a dot in place of a space

[primal lance]

to order a dialing wand, plaease mash the keyboard with your palm

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 18, in <module>
TOOLS_DIR = file.parent
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
AttributeError: 'str' object has no attribute 'parent'

😅 sorry, i wish i could fix it myself, its obviously something simple

[median dragon]

knew I missed something

TOOLS_DIR = os.path.dirname(os.path.realpath(__file__)) line 18

we need full path to it

yeah, need dirname after all. And I need my coffee

that goes on line 18

instead of what's there

problem is - can't run it locally, let me get all those tools, and try it first

ugh. I am missing some of them, my setup is suffciently different it looks like.

but try this one. It failed on applying delta plugin in my case

"no topic merge" - no idea what that means

Oh, no. it very much still blows up. on re.sub though.. 🧐

alright, try this one

[primal lance]

theres sme expected pylance here appearantly..
line 34
if not os.path.exists(OUTPUT_DIR)
^
SyntaxError: expected ':'

a comma?

[median dragon]

I thought I fixed it

needs a : at the end of line

it's python for then

[primal lance]

oh i see

[median dragon]

hold up what

I think I've uploaded wrong file

give me a sec

[primal lance]

ok haha no worries

take your time

[median dragon]

Found it.

[primal lance]

oh nic ty. the thing thats been confusing me is i ran it like 3 times and it worked a charm right at the start

the first one i mean

[median dragon]

that's what you get for "don't fuck with what's workign"

[full chasm]

The shitty one I made?

[median dragon]

oriiginal was fine, but didn't handle moving existing directories and files gracefully

it wasn't shitty

by any means

I started fucking with it to make it handle edge cases better, but in the process decided to use slightly different convention for filepaths e.g.

[primal lance]

yeah it was dope

[full chasm]

See normally I overdo stuff to get it to do stuff like this

[primal lance]

this one seems to be working too ✨

[full chasm]

Trying to handle every edge case

[median dragon]

It fuckign better LMAO

[primal lance]

..

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 82, in <module>
move_output("delta-merged.omwaddon")
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 33, in move_output
src = os.path, join(TOOLS_DIR, filename)
^^^^
NameError: name 'join' is not defined

[full chasm]

I was up until like 4 am and woke up at like 11 so what improvements did you make

[median dragon]

comma instead of a dot

[full chasm]

I missed this convo

[median dragon]

I didn't get to that point cause it refused to run my linux version of delta-plugin and I didn't want to fuck with params

[median dragon]

and an extra space. but yeah. This is a lesson in "don't fuck with stuff if it works on a satuday morning"

[full chasm]

Or do

Do what thou wilt or whatever

[primal lance]

i appreciate it all the same

[median dragon]

Or do. I did add the existing dir handling

[full chasm]

I also appreciate it lol

[median dragon]

just shouldn't have fucked with the rest of it

[primal lance]

lmao this thing just wont quit

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.13_3.13.3312.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\shutil.py", line 856, in move
os.rename(src, real_dst)
~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FileNotFoundError: [WinError 2] The system cannot find the file specified: 'C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\00 Core\delta-merged.omwaddon' -> 'C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\00 Core\delta-merged.omwaddon_backup'

During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:

Traceback (most recent call last):
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 82, in <module>
move_output("delta-merged.omwaddon")
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 42, in move_output
shutil.move(str(dst), str(bckp))
~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.13_3.13.3312.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\shutil.py", line 876, in move
copy_function(src, real_dst)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
File "C:\Program Files\WindowsApps\PythonSoftwareFoundation.Python.3.13_3.13.3312.0_x64__qbz5n2kfra8p0\Lib\shutil.py", line 453, in copy2
winapi.CopyFile2(src, dst_, flags)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
FileNotFoundError: [WinError 2] The system cannot find the file specified

is it just commas?

[median dragon]

C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\00 Core\delta-merged.omwaddon can't find the omw addon file

for delta-merged

was it generated?

Oh. Actually

I've added "backup"

but am not checking if "original" even exists

replace line 42 with these two:

    if os.path.exists(dst):
        shutil.move(str(dst), str(bckp))

maintain indentation - it's important in python

[primal lance]

haha yeah i just found out

cmon bigmoneybigmoney

[median dragon]

one of the silliest python design decisions but one I've gotten very used to. Scope is indent, no squirly brackets, no end just tabs and spaces

[primal lance]

ok it seems to be working but i cant tell for sure because i need to add a few bits for it to run smoothly but

File "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW mods\xTools\Tools\morrowind_setup.py", line 66, in <module>
mod_comment_line(CFG_PATH, "content=xOTM_01.ESP"), True
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
TypeError: mod_comment_line() missing 1 required positional argument: 'comment'

so this is my fault im just not sure what it wants

[median dragon]

you've added , True outside of the method parentheses

mod_comment_line(CFG_PATH, "content=xOTM_01.ESP", True)

that bool is a third positional argument

if true - it will comment out the line

if false uncomment it

[primal lance]

ah ok, vscode put it like that for me. cool no worries

oh yeah i see now

[median dragon]

vscode is generally guessing. In this case - look at mod_comment_line method declaration

takes three arguments

means all three need to be inside the brackets

iirc I've also specified that comment should be bool

[primal lance]

ok yeah, bool is just like a binary switch, right?

[median dragon]

boolean

yeah

can be either "True" or "False"

just a 1/0 datatype

there's also a concept of truthyness and falsyness in programming for how variables of other types are evaluated when compared to a bool

but that's going deep into the weedds

[primal lance]

haha yeah thats rock&roll

coding logic is such an interesting way of thinking, somewhere between language and mathematics

[median dragon]

discrete maths

specifically

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrete_mathematics

if you've ever seen this table:
you know what's it about

[primal lance]

haha woah i read that paragraph a few times but my brain wasn't willing to take it in right now, im going to have to come back to that another time 😅

[plucky moth]

Ah yes, one of the four (4) things we learned during the discrete math course

[strange stratus]

You figure out how to code and you literally know everything you need to make any mod you want. Already got level design and animation down 😁

[median dragon]

Which apparently was enough to certify you as a boolean logic abuser

[plucky moth]

Well, lua is no rust, so no interpreter will scream at me

I consider it a fair game

[median dragon]

That's fair

[primal lance]

[median dragon]

(now to make sure it didn't fuck anything up in the process, while still reporting success)

[primal lance]

well my little buddy's back 😄 so its all good for now

now i just need to give him dialogue like a robo-stogie

[full chasm]

I added a step to mine that validates that all the file paths actually exist

Because I was having that issue lmao

[full chasm]

It’s like Minecraft redstone

[little pelican]

The best documentation you’ll get is from pinned messages, searching in the lua channels or (Almsivi forbid) searching the git

[median dragon]

Yeah, yeah, and now some of the lua channel stuff is myself devil and trackpadtimmy figuring out how InputBindings work

[little pelican]

Yeah it is cursed

I saw what devilish and trackpadtimmy were talking about, poor ownlyme was getting a hoot

[median dragon]

Me and Timmy figured it out a day later

fuckign defaut is a key not a default

which, btw, is still a problem with a bunch of mods

so all of them would conflict on keybinds

[little pelican]

Yup

[median dragon]

I think several of Come's use 'u' - so all of them would get bound to the same key

[little pelican]

Correct

[full chasm]

@primal lance Does Ashlander dombrists work for you?

[primal lance]

yep, i love that mod. i use Katya's patch from here, https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56060

[full chasm]

I can't seem to get them to not sink into the ground

[primal lance]

did you get the AM patch?

[full chasm]

Which one

Katyas? Yeah

[primal lance]

damn yeah idk, there's so many wierd little issues with older animation mods

[full chasm]

I remember someone showed me how they got Animated Morrowind to work in OpenMW and it was like 5 different patches in a really specific order

[primal lance]

yeah its pretty crazy, i think that was hyacinth, i used that list too. had to take out AM for the frames though but most of the patches still help with other mods

its a shame because it does add alot of life but it just killed my performance

[full chasm]

Repopulated Morrowind has a bunch of them

[primal lance]

yeah i definitely wouldnt want to do without RM

[full chasm]

I do kinda wonder why RM doesn't have the beggars since those seemed to work consistently in OpenMw

[primal lance]

isnt there something in the lore about the temple sorting out beggars?

[median dragon]

Temple does take care of the poor

and Imperial Cult tries to keep up as well

So, specifically in Morrowind - one can be dirt poor, but not likely be seen begging on the street. As all temples have kitchens and dorms

specifically for that purpose

And IC tries to help the destitute as well, sending round healers, distributing meds and food etc

[full chasm]

Ohhh gotcha

[median dragon]

Both covered in lore and in their questlines, so yeah.

I won't even call it a convoluted way to not code in any beggars, Morrowind just really doesn't have any

TR further expands on that e.g. in Bal Foyen temple questline,

there are some skooma addicts in the same bal foyen, btw. But even those are not begging, even if they are roughing it out in the cold

[primal lance]

i wouldn't mind keeping the bosmer sitting in an alley noisily eating a piece of meat, that got a laugh out of me when i was testing AM

not a beggar, but gives off that kind of vibe

[median dragon]

lmao yeah

Oh, and there are IC hostels

[full chasm]

I’m sorry what lmao

Animated morrowind was way ahead of its time tbh

[primal lance]

haha yeah

[full chasm]

What version of openmw are you using? I had it working on 0.49 iirc but then I updated to 0.50 and they started sinking into the ground again

[primal lance]

I'm currently on the one that kartoffels has packaged on her performance mod

[full chasm]

Ah gotcha

[primal lance]

So pretty recent

[full chasm]

I’ll fuck around with it and see

[hazy stump]

What's your experience with it?

[primal lance]

Really good. Instant improvement, after all the ini tweaks too I saw 40fps in vivec instead of my usual 20.

[hazy stump]

Nice. Can you give the link to the file?

[primal lance]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58277

I'd also recommend taking a look at this page
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/58181

Especially the soft shadows made a difference

[primal lance]

If you try the newer omw builds and get crazy colours, try hitting "invert" on liammellos LUT shaders

[hazy stump]

Interesting that newest comment there is about lost FPS in the wilderness and open areas. I'm wondering how the mod does in SHOTN. Some wilderness areas there have terrible performance for me.

[hazy stump]

Screenshots there show a major change in aesthetics. Look sort of like a painting? Maybe I should try shadows only.

[plucky moth]

They look shite in my game for some reason

They look good when they work, but for whatever reason they just refuse to work for me :(

[primal lance]

Yeah the soft shadows are desperate from the cartoon shade

[primal lance]

I've been testing out in the velothi mountains for a mod and had solid 60 the whole time, I haven't experienced what that comment is saying

[primal lance]

I've had some variable results too possibly because of changing out the terrain a lot, like maybe POM affects how they look?. I go back and forth on it but overall I prefer the performance gains to some occasional jank

[plucky moth]

Nah, it's the engine issue with shadow maps afaik

the reason why they appear janky with high distance, low resolution and weird angles

like these jagged edges

[primal lance]

Have you tried the distant SS shadows Liammello and Leapo are working on? I have my shadow distance waaay down and replacing mostly with that

So I'm embracing the jank a bit

[plucky moth]

nope, I'm not following the new shader development

too many channels to keep track of, man

[primal lance]

Fr dude, it takes determination to not just spend my days catching up on random threads

#1445658776198840491 message

Worth checking out though

[proper isle]

leapo7364

@sly night Dropping the modified versions I'm running here:

Attachment(s)

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[primal lance]

Especially for the interior shadows

[plucky moth]

I'd just prefer if someone kept me up to date instead of me doing it myself :D

[full chasm]

@primal lance you just use the uncompressed vanilla textures with PBR and normal maps right?

[primal lance]

pretty much, i'm mostly using MET based PBR because it fits closer to the vanilla. there's some jank to be sure but it still looks nice enough for some good screenshots. i always delete face normals because they are just cursed and im not using object normals to save on frames. my land textures arent great though and POM makes it much worse so im considering isolating the land textures from liammemllo's

its still a bit of a frankenstein of the older stuff i was using before i knew anything. tbh there's still a lot i don't understand about it but its getting better. just trying to balance modern/oldschool visuals

its tricky, i get dazzled by new stuff and then after a while i feel like i should try and get it more vanilla again 😅

[full chasm]

Which PBR

[primal lance]

this one is based off MET
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57946

[full chasm]

I’m tempted to switch to vanilla textured for consistency across mods

[primal lance]

yeah i really like borok's uncompressed for the consistency, it just covers SO much textures

[strange stratus]

Haven't heard of that one, I use Wareya's 2xed

[full chasm]

That’s what I was looking at

[full chasm]

It’s relatively new. Like maybe a month old

[strange stratus]

Not on nexus?

[full chasm]

No it is

[full chasm]

That’s why I’m hesitant to use any extensive graphic overhaul mods because usually they don’t cover everything evenly so you notice the lower resolution of certain assets from mods

When a mod has an HD texture option do you use that?

[primal lance]

this one
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57355

its got tons of big mods retextured, BCoM, OAAB, Doors of Oblivion

[hazy stump]

Hilarious thumbnail

[primal lance]

haha yeah

[full chasm]

Do they look that different from vanilla in game?

[primal lance]

no its just a bit clearer, looks better up close

[full chasm]

Makes sense

I might try it out just to see

I don’t mind MET but some of the textures look a little funky because of the AI upscaling

Like it looks like AI and it kinda bugs me

[primal lance]

yeah i get you. the thing that really sold me was all the tr and bcom textures getting done too

its very satisfying to have so many textures from one source, to my mind anyway

[full chasm]

Yeah that’s another thing is I want visual consistency

I don’t mind certain items being different resolutions but it’s kinda jarring when Vvardenfell looks all nice but then TR has low res textures even with the HD pack

[hazy stump]

classic situation of some uber-high-quality replacer: everything from base game super crisp and modded content close to OG, lol

[full chasm]

When a specific mod has an Hd texture pack, do you install those as well?

[full chasm]

Thats my dilemma haha

[primal lance]

usually not, i tend to avoid getting anything extra over 1k just as a rule of thumb

[full chasm]

Makes sense

It always annoys me when they don’t say the resolution of the upscaled textures on the mod page

[primal lance]

yeah

[full chasm]

I might have to take this approach. So you use the brook uncompressed textures, ownlyme’s MET PBR?

Is that all in terms of visual mods?

[hazy stump]

Generally speaking, I think that Vanilla-ish is fine. Higher res and fixed if necessary, tweaks here and there, sure. However, I avoid things like Total Overhaul-style graphics because I don't want the game to change its style.

[full chasm]

I’m mostly looking at PBR stuff tbh. A lot of Normal maps look funky to me.

I’m the same way with Minecraft. vanilla textures with a nice shader setup 👌

The lighting does more for me than the textures.

And like I said, MET mostly looks good but some of the textures look a little too AI for my taste.

So I’m debating between trying to get the watercolor textures to work or using those borok uncompressed ones

[primal lance]

yeah thats the base anyway, i have a whole bunch of various tweaks like hi-res webs or some nice carpets, logs on fire etc. and of course MOP&project Atlas

[full chasm]

I love logs on fire haha

Like I said, I don’t mind certain things being high res but it is kinda distracting when like, the entirety of TR isn’t at the level of vanilla

[primal lance]

yeah totally

[full chasm]

I’m using all of Daemacht’s weapon replacers lol

[primal lance]

yeah weapons i feel like its different

i guess because you hold them right in front of the screen so its very obvious when there bad

i think there might be something to using some of the watercolour textures for the spec maps for PBR but it would take some experimentation, im going to try with just liammellos ground textures for a while too, see how it goes

[full chasm]

I like the look of the watercolor textures. It wouldn’t cover all mods tho. So like certain quest mods might look funky

[primal lance]

yeah, like im just thinking it might be a good way of "patching" where the PBR looks wierd with vanilla textures. not sure yet, just a theory

the watercolour is cool but i think its a bit much for the whole game

it would be great for a dream sequence or somethingn though

[primal lance]

oh yeah and i got all the SSS for foliage too, thats really nice

[full chasm]

That is pretty

[full chasm]

Is that from borok’s page or something else

[full chasm]

Lucid disturbing dreams

[primal lance]

its one of liammellos

[full chasm]

Oh gotcha

[primal lance]

https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/57320

[hazy stump]

Achieving coherence in a heavily modded game is not easy in general. Not just visual but gameplay one as well. That's why I tend to remove as much stuff from my modlist as I add to it, lol.

[full chasm]

What's this 👀

[primal lance]

its an image from the Arena gamebook "the Codex Scientia" that im fixing up. originally planning to use it for my map, but now ive got some crazy plans/hopes of making a wierd UI thing with it too.

its one of the only examples of the weird deepcut lore that east and west used to be reversed in TES

this is the original image

[full chasm]

This looks incredible

[primal lance]

thanks!

[full chasm]

This is for that one map mod right?

[primal lance]

not for anything in particular. i want it to be compatible with any map mod but that will probably mean editing it for each one. at least most of them need the maps to be in squares

[primal lance]

i was thinking of making the demon into an atlased compass replacer to go along with LivelyMap but noe blurpandras doomguy head mod has got me thinking it could be interesting to make the whole hud like an oldschool texture atlas, basically combining that with this:

[full chasm]

Ah gotcha

[strange stratus]

That would be sooo sick

[primal lance]

ikr

[strange stratus]

I was considering doing a Majora's mask ui port

The crappy part about that is the sneak icon

No way to read sneak state from lua

And the minimap

Might be best left for .52 I guess

[primal lance]

why do you need to read sneak state for the icon?

i've been working on the wrong map 😭
i'll have to make this the "Todd version" 16x the detail!

[strange stratus]

So it can be replaced with a lua UI component

Omg no! Wrong map 😭

I ran livelymap sync with a heightmap infill mod and it didn't line up

If it did then you could have based this off a livelymap export

[primal lance]

oh that might be a good way of getting some terrain features though. also i could use to map in other modded islands, ooh that would be interesting i can use this innacurate version for that

actually i was having trouble getting that to work. entirely a skill issue on my part. i just couldn't remember how to run it 😅

sync.sh : The term 'sync.sh' is not recognized as the name of a cmdlet, function, script file, or operable program.
Check the spelling of the name, or if a path was included, verify that the path is correct and try again.
At line:1 char:1

• sync.sh "C:\Users\dubio\Documents\My Games\OpenMW"

•   + CategoryInfo          : ObjectNotFound: (sync.sh:String) [], CommandNotFoundException
    + FullyQualifiedErrorId : CommandNotFoundException

@strange stratus do i need to put the .sh or .bat files in with my cfg too?

[strange stratus]

If you're doing windows you want .bat

sync.bat and then the first argument is the full path to your .cfg file

You will want to edit sync.bat to turn on the vanity map

That's the one that will be useful to you

[primal lance]

oh right, how do i edit it? i dont know anything about bat files except that you can usually click them 😅

[strange stratus]

Lol open it in notepad

[primal lance]

oohhh

[strange stratus]

If I had a computer I'd help you more

[primal lance]

its all good, so i just change to -vanity=T?

[strange stratus]

Replace -vanity=F
With -vanity=T

Yeah

[strange stratus]

I can make you a custom map too if you want. Like only an outline

[primal lance]

that would be cool, my main issue is that i need unreleased TR map data though 🫤 . im not sure what the changes are even but they can tell at a glance and it would be nice if it was usable, not the end of the world though

there is someone whos working on an all-tamriel mod based on the TR heightmap, it seems like they're taking their time to make it pretty though so who knows when we can try it

[strange stratus]

Yeah the gaps are huuuge

[cosmic shore]

Your map is absolutly beautiful ! If you ever publish it, I'd be happy to use it 🤩

With Wayfarer's Atlas (https://discord.com/channels/260439894298460160/1461878978615709767) it's not mandatory for the map to be a square 🙂

[primal lance]

good to know thanks! yeah i'd love to see it used for things like that. i'll try not to take forever on it haha its one of those kinds of projects that could be extended indefinitely

[cosmic shore]

As you can see, I'm using the Stranger in a Strange Land map (edited to remove the "city icons"), with an Icon pack I'm working on, I think it would work well with your map

[primal lance]

oh cool yeah that looks great

[primal lance]

this just cracks me up...

[strange stratus]

Been thinking about this more and I wanna tackle it with you later

Castlevania-esque pixel art UI is such a good aesthetic. Gothic and crunchy

[primal lance]

cool! yeah that would be awesome, i'm still gathering assets to develope a style and a mock-up so i have something to work with. if you have any ideas let me know

here's some of the ideas im working on. since the sky is dehardcoded could do moon and star charts

i want the demons eyes to light up with facing a certain direction

[full chasm]

What is this? 👀

[primal lance]

im just putting ideas together. i've been looking up a lot about the firmament, i want to make a diagetic calendar. its also a mock-up for the ui i'm working on, i'm hoping to make a star chart/sundial for tracking time. based on a star chart that came with TESA Redguard

[full chasm]

That's sick

Now I need someone to help me figure out if Window to Aetherius can be implemented with shaders lmao

[primal lance]

ah yeah shaders is probably the way to go, that could be very interesting. you could potentially do crazy stuff like dark-moon eclipes

[median dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/notes-note-take-notes-daffy-notes-daffy-note-gif-7089549869873009522

[plucky moth]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/956389279972606032.gif?size=96&quality=lossless

[outer zenith]

man, with more people making cool animations and overall interested in animating we really need artist-friendly framework for assigning animations to objects so actors can just find those in the world and do interactions

ugh so many cool project ideas uuuuugh

[outer zenith]

@sly night I think I'll try to poke your fork of that sitting mod of mine to implement that, hope you dont mind.

Full blown schedule maybe not yet, but the core idea would be

A simple state machine, where each state is an interaction with an object

Object validator class which retrieves info on the object from template cells (i.e how object should be aproached which anim should be played), and that will include fallback with all the procedural raycasting and stuff that already exists

And an animation handling thingy probably that will allow to attach objects while anim is playing and maybe something else

And ofcourse those templates - one cell per object, containing an object and animation token (character in a pose) that can be placed properly in realtion to the object

And some way to manage a kind of template inheritance so not literally every unique mesh needs its own cell but say all beds can just use same prototype cell

And also a support for those animation tokens simply being placed in the world.

What do you think, does that sound like a plan?

Idea is that then artists can place those poses in the world and in object prototype cells and the mod will just hook it up and npcs with some simple randomisation will run a state machine moving from one activity to another

NOT SURE how this will fit in them talking to each other, but im sure that can also can somehow be defined as a custom activity

maybe each activity is also a state machine, that will kinda be appropriate tbh, state machine of state machines might sound scary, but it is not

i.e so talking activity will be a series of running staates

seek nearby unoccupied npc -> travel to them -> talk

and then extending this to actual schedules is just adding another bigger (lmao) state machine that is checked only once in a while and just changes sets of available activities based on time of day, as well as gives npcs travel packages to move between work, bar, city square e.t.c

[sly night]

Yes please do!

I specifically haven't yet integrated non sleeping/sitting interactions (eg writing on an open book, smithing, praying, farming etc) it's like definitely what I was intending to do long term

[primal lance]

oh man that would be amazing. there's so many ways such a system could be applied to quest/level design. for immersive atmosphere and gameplay too, like a guard occasionally goes for a drink and a chat with his buddy giving you a chance to sneak past

[teal siren]

Lately everyone just go brrrrrrttt with producing great additions to openMW 🚀

[primal lance]

🫠 successful UV mapping. it still looks kinda crap but also i love it so much. totally built from scratch

[sand hedge]

You guys are doing good work!

[primal lance]

animated gliders

[noble quarry]

fantastic

[primal lance]

its very satisfying

[little pelican]

Btw, you can use the shared ray if you want

[primal lance]

ooh that would be interesting

[little pelican]

It’s in most of my mods and ownlyme’s, same file and everything just a shared render raycast so that you don’t have to do your own

[little pelican]

Ownlyme is very excited for this btw

[primal lance]

yeah i have a copy, i just haven't gotten my head around it yet.

[primal lance]

hahaha awesome

[little pelican]

Are you using a raycast in this mod already ?

Or just onActivate

[primal lance]

no im just using console to test it so far

[little pelican]

Oh gotcha haha

Np np then, carry on

[primal lance]

yeah thanks though, it would be badass to get it working properly 🤞

maybe i could just hook it up to Pet the Scribs 🤔

[median dragon]

Fell free to poke me if you need help, but also, yeah. Bor likely won't be opposed to having an animation

can also probably play the scrib "tap-tap-tap" animation on the scrib itself when it's being pet

I wonder if that one is accessible, and if it is - what's the groupname/keys

It's probably one of the idles, isn't it

[primal lance]

yeah it does it randomly]

that was part of the original, i assumed there was a reason it wasn't ported over to the lua version 🤔

[median dragon]

hang on

yeah, it's idle3

[primal lance]

nice

[little pelican]

Surprised none of you are on 0.51 yet 0.o

The newest builds

[median dragon]

I am, I am well before the warning spam build

Not going there till I have time to locally edit the mods I have to be sane

or until authors do

need log clean for debugging

and if authors don't and I can't be bothered - mods will get yote, due to the above

[little pelican]

Rip the stats window extender

And timehud

And Sun’s dusk

[primal lance]

why, they not work on the latest?

[median dragon]

I mean, it's glorious, but it's performance has been annoying me. my local version of timehud is already edited

:P

[little pelican]

SD’s is a pain

We have a powershell script to filter all the warnings but that won’t help you in your case

[median dragon]

I mean - if we go that way I can just tail/grep the log in terminal on second monitor

[little pelican]

Yeah basically

[median dragon]

But spam been annoying me, ingame log is nice

[little pelican]

I keep mine onscreen

[median dragon]

Problem is - I can't possibly update all mods to shutup all warnings. E.g. all of mine have their setting section key start with "Settings"

[little pelican]

#1479838353556766851 message you can see how I use it here

[proper isle]

hyacinth2199

Linked by @​hyacinth2199 from #Make A Profit · Apr 12, 2026, 4:25 AM

[median dragon]

but if anyone doesn't - that also generates a warning

[little pelican]

Towards the end you can see how I have the log displayed on my screen which is nice not needing to have yet debug log open

[median dragon]

And people don't properly use l10n files, and more and more and more :P

[little pelican]

Yeah filtered those out too

[median dragon]

Yah, I saw that - quite nice

[median dragon]

That, I mean

yo, @primal lance , mind sharing that "petting hand" animation, for a second?

[primal lance]

Yeah sure one sec

[primal lance]

there you go, have at it i need to get ssome sleep now haha but im happy that its causing some fun already

[median dragon]

Nice, thank you

I've got a local copy of petthescrib, will try and hook it in

[median dragon]

And now I go to bed

[primal lance]

Absolute legend

[stable cipher]

Yo dubious, you still working on that map art? How's that going? Just wondering

[primal lance]

yeah not as much progress as id like, had a set back with the updated lands and the file is so big it takes an age to do anything on it, like 5 minutes to apply a singlt filter sometimes 🫠

[midnight oxide]

THANK YOU for this
I was horrified when they started playfighting suddenly

[primal lance]

your welcome! 😅 sorry its embarassing but do you have a copy? idk what i did but i lost the original version, the one on nexus now is blank. i only realised recently and haven't gotten around to rewriting the list (100s of kids 🫠 ), i keep getting distracted by other projects. if for some reason you have a blank copy too i'll just do it the hell now and reupload 😅

[midnight oxide]

this is what I downloaded today, I think it might be blank 😞
I hadn't seen the children fighting since so I just assumed it might have fixed it

[primal lance]

sorry! i totally lunched it out. i will fix it ASAP rock 👍

but it doesnt actually stop them fighting, it just stops the guards taking it seriously if you use Protective Guards

[midnight oxide]

yea sry that's what I meant

[hazy stump]

the fact that such a blacklist mod even had to made is so hilarious, lol

[primal lance]

here you go, sorry about that haha

[midnight oxide]

thanks a lot!

[primal lance]

No worries haha I needed a kick in the arse to get it done

[stone trail]

Mod of the decade.

My scribs petted counter will be my highest by far

[median dragon]

hey, @primal lance did you ever figure out your backwards bow issue?

[primal lance]

No not yet, Semaro reckoned it was Something from Dual Wielding, i need to check that

[median dragon]

Yah, I think it is. I had to disable the data dir in th launcher completely to get it back to normal :D

[primal lance]

Riight that makes sense, so it's probably in the mesh

Oh I know

Comé said at the time they just flipped the sword animations

So they literally must just flipped everything, including the weapon bone 🤔

[median dragon]

The new bone yeah

Otherwise how'd they attach

[primal lance]

Hmm

[primal lance]

The noble sky whale, spraying his joy-mist with wild abandon

[little pelican]

Someone is doing all the baths on the mainland?

Big hype haha it’s gonna be a good modathon

[full chasm]

Who? dubious?

[little pelican]

Don’t think so, just saw it in the TR discord and they said they got perms from dubious I assume

[hazy stump]

Who is this champion?

[little pelican]

Fr fr

[primal lance]

Yeah it's awesome! I'm glad someone took it on, it would have been a while before I was explored enough to get on with it. I set it up so it would be as easy as possible if anyone wanted to

[little pelican]

Very blessed

[primal lance]

Indeed

[primal lance]

Fr I'm actually mega hyped to see what comes out

[hazy stump]

Hopefully, it will be supported past launch to fix the bugs

but if not, maybe it will be covered by Dubious Intentions

[primal lance]

Yeah it should be easy enough to patch going forward, with the .esm structure it can be nicely modular.
Its a ton of bathhouses to do but starting with the templates should make things pretty smooth, my worst issues were fitting the baths in with other mods so that should be minimal out in ptr lands

And I figured out the solution to my last outstanding issue in BoV, next update will ad banners that flap in the wind

[primal lance]

@brisk spear

if you use the same as the script in Bor's mods (courtesy of Arrean) these should work the same. the textkey name are knock01 and knock02 so you can use whichever you prefer

im still figuring out how to do soundgen so i'm not certain of the best way but there are markers in there to make footstep sounds that can be changed to something custom

[plucky moth]

looks sick

[stone trail]

https://tenor.com/view/simpsons-shake-harder-boy-gif-13818067

[brisk spear]

Thank you!

[primal lance]

No worries, glad I can help :)

[brisk spear]

I guess we all become lefties now

[primal lance]

Haha it's a habit from doing all the OSSC anims. I can flip them easily enough. could have both as an option

[brisk spear]

if it's not too much work

I only need knock01

[primal lance]

Ok yeah not hard to do 👍

does the SoundGen work ok?

[brisk spear]

SoundGen?

Is there supposed to be sound?

[primal lance]

Well it was a possibility, there are keyframes in there to attach sound at least

[brisk spear]

oh

interesting

How do I need to call the sound files?

[primal lance]

I'm not sure, there's a way to do it through lua. Arrean added custom sounds for Ngarde, I'm still figuring that part out

[brisk spear]

I'll threaten the locals, maybe they'll know

[primal lance]

#1490798707858210939 message

[proper isle]

dubiousnpc

@teal siren animation delivery :) some touch ups, and i attemted to add back the old qcalt animation, its keyed as qcskrow lol (easy to change any of the kf names with nifscope btw)
also got rid of the SounGen and found a really nice new sfx for the snap.
you need to add something like:

local params = {
timeOffset=0.1,
volume=0.3,
loop=false,
pitch=1.0
};
core.sound.playSoundFile3d("sound\ossc\qcsnap.mp3")
but i'm not sure exactly 😅 im just copying it from the docs

https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/stable/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_core.html##(Sound)
for more info

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Linked by @​dubiousnpc from #OSSC - Oblivion-Style Spell Casting v1.7 / 21/04/2026 · Apr 21, 2026, 10:06 PM

[primal lance]

This is as far as I got with it

[brisk spear]

yes, I figured

He's playing an ordinary 3d sound

I could do that too with the object in front of the player

I just need to "find" some good knocking sounds and the mod can be done

[primal lance]

Some good audio feedback will go a long way. You could make it really aggressive or quite polite depending what you choose

Now I want a player insult mod. Hotkey to heckle back at last

Could even play sound files based on race

[midnight oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/tv-simpsons-cloud-fist-grandpa-gif-12082744756246344299

[median dragon]

I'm not using sound keys on the animation

[median dragon]

Since this always plays from the same position you can get away wth:
https://openmw.readthedocs.io/en/latest/reference/lua-scripting/openmw_ambient.html##(ambient).playSoundFile
at the same time you invoke your animation,

or add a text keyhandler so that it fires at "soundgen" frames.

If you want it to be 3d and play at a specific position you need core.sound.playSoundFile3d in a global script

Sound keyframes on the animation itself are a third secret thing that I've no idea how to utilize properly. but they allow for synching the e.g. footstep (or door knocking) sounds to the animation

[brisk spear]

I'll try to have the sound come from the object that is being knocked on. That way metal doors will sound different than wooden doors.

[median dragon]

That can work, either a raycast or onactivate

[brisk spear]

Probably raycast

[median dragon]

need a global script and send an event back to it

[primal lance]

Or just have a voice say "knock knock!"

[median dragon]

for a 3d sound to play through core - iirc it's global only

[brisk spear]

yes, it'll be events exchanging information

[plucky moth]

Global or on self

[median dragon]

ah

thanks for the correction

[brisk spear]

Current idea is, check distance to object + (maybe a door check) + hotkey -> player freezes and plays animation

[median dragon]

I've missed the start of the discussion - aside from the animation - what's the idea?

[brisk spear]

I'd like to be able to knock on people's doors

just for roleplaying purposes

[median dragon]

Fair

[primal lance]

i messed up my saves so it would actually be a lot more work than i thought to make it ambidextrous. ill come back to it at some point when i have time 🤷

[brisk spear]

I'll just go with left handend now, that's fine

[primal lance]

i think you should be able to hold your weapon while you knock when its on the left hand, did you test that?

[median dragon]

https://tenor.com/view/heresjhonny555-gif-17140204686577388089

[stone trail]

"Hereeeeeeees Johnnay Morrowind"

[primal lance]

idk if the idea is to have some checks to open doors but it would be funny if you could intimdate people inside

[little pelican]

Figured it's worth a mention in here since my cover image is of your bathhouse

[primal lance]

ah that's awesome! haha i guess i accurately captured the spirit of House Hlaalu

[brisk spear]

It'd be cool if the lower body just stayed

[primal lance]

Oh yeah I left some keyframes on the legs by mistake, that's my bad

[primal lance]

GV actually redid a 3rd person version, I'll check it out when I'm at my computer, might be the thing

[brisk spear]

yes, I have it

I might prefer your version without the legs movement to be honest

also I'd have it all in one nif

which would make it easier

I only need knock01

[primal lance]

Yeah I'll check it out. It might also be easy to remove the legs from the script. In the line for blending

[strange stratus]

Upper body mask yeah

[median dragon]

Dubious, I don't know if you're doing anything, or if you saw the convo in ngarde thread - but I think imma shelve the shield bash idea for now - Struggling to come up with anything useful for it to do

[primal lance]

yeah fair enough, kind of just bloat, that leaves more time to get goblins blocking

[median dragon]

You have all the time. Current is stable, and I'm not planning on updates soon.

[primal lance]

@brisk spear i made new 3rdp anims for the knock. should fix some logspam caused by the old ones. this time knock02 is a right-handed version but i still need to redo the 1stP so for now it only works in 3rd

[primal lance]

Might work for 1stP as well if it was renamed but I'm not sure

[brisk spear]

renaming it worked

so it works in both 1st and 3rd now. Thank you

[brisk spear]

in case you are interested. You can test animations using the commands

luap

anim.playBlended(self, 'knockl', { priority = anim.PRIORITY.Scripted })

[primal lance]

Fantastic. It looks good in the more vanilla style

Yeah sorry for not testing I just didn't have time

[brisk spear]

No worries at all

[primal lance]

I look forward to the mod

[brisk spear]

Yes, I think I might be able to publish it in May.

I'm still very invested in Touch of Madness, because I like it

[primal lance]

Nice! I imagine that will need to not be rushed. At the same time it easily has potential to be a feature creep monster

Deadlines can be useful to force a project to finish

I would like to get something out for May, just for the spirit of the thing

There's still timee

[hazy stump]

love the confidence

[primal lance]

😭 i shouldnt have messed with it

[hazy stump]

Every good deed must be punished.

[primal lance]

[primal lance]

https://github.com/dubiousNPC/Dubious_animation_Repo

started a git repo for my animations, there's not much up yet but ill be filling it out as finalise more files. CCO baby

[plucky moth]

You should add animation demos to readme

[primal lance]

Yeah I should add a readme If I waited till I'd done that I would never have gotten them up

I will make it a lot more accessible as I add to it. Listing all the keyframes etc.

[plucky moth]

potential idea for the status head replacer

[primal lance]

I was actually working on that already, nice. The images I could find were too rough though, where'd you get that one? Looks like a good resolution

I was considering making race specific ones too 🧐

Is that doom guy? I don't remember seeing him looking so satisfied

[plucky moth]

in random telegram channel :p

[plucky moth]

https://tenor.com/view/calm-gif-8293915206003753096

[primal lance]

I have some super hd doom guy faces that look kind of hilarious but they will work to downscale them 👍

[primal lance]

more progress on my oldschool UI. the elements are coming together but need some vision to bering it together

@untold geyser good day sera, are you still interested in helping make these into atlases? no pressure of course, ill get there eventually. there's a lot to learn, this kind of graphic design is a lot of fun though

[untold geyser]

Sure, but, this left one is a compass?

Get the base images down to the smallest visually legible power of two you can afford. The right image looks like the x and Y dimensions probably won't be equal... Maybe like 64x96 would work on that (I know 96 is not a power of two)

After that I have a script I can just push them through.

Oh, wait. No. I think I have a better idea

On this right image

Take that red sigil in the center. Put that on a separate layer and render it out as it's own image. Fill in the place where it was in the original. Then we'll make an Atlas of the sigil so only the sigil rotates.

If we atlas the right image as is, the whole thing will spin and it will look stupid.

[untold geyser]

Also I'm at work ATM but I can just give you the atlas script 🙂

You'll probably need to slap it into Claude or whatever and convert it to powershell, mine is bash, but it's really just imagemagick

If you're interested in doing UI work for OpenMW I'd strongly encourage imagemagick, maybe past anything else tbh

I have another script I can post for you that generates almost an entire UI with nothing but IM commands, I think you'd like it

You can do all kinds of crazy effects with it and warps and layering etc

It's rather addictive

I think you've seen the Diablo health orbs I did, right? Those are largely done by using a displacement map that also was generated by IM

It's just a black and white image where, like, the whiteness of the pixel dictates how much the source image gets warped

[untold geyser]

But this is crucial because to achieve rotation in an atlas texture like this it's gotta be tiled 360 times

And the engine will scale it up to POT for you and clog up logs anyway

I do 12x30 sheets through uh. I forget the exact command, I haven't used IM in a while, but I think it's compose

the file sizes become somewhat problematic but as long as the source image is a reasonable size it's not a huge deal

[primal lance]

Ok cool thank you, I'll look into it. yeah I have been meaning to get around to IM, there's def been a few things I need that it's suited for.

Yeah the components are already seperated into all the layers I need to move. So for example I'm hoping the eyes will also glow or dim depending on direction

The image on the left is for a moon tracker widget I'm making, I have all the phases seperated. I have the beginning of logic for it but it's jank so far and I need to image to test with. Its all hopefully going to come together into a Blood Omen style UI replacer eventually. That's the dream anyway

The small red one is to track the shade of the revenant

[primal lance]

But yeah the compass seems simpler to get working. I was trying to align them with Photoshop but it was a bit rough

[untold geyser]

Ooooo gurl

Blood Omen?

[primal lance]

Yeah baby, I want to bring back the peak of HUD gaming. But it can be even more slick now

[rancid mulch]

that'd make a hell of a minimap mask

[strange stratus]

If only we had masks 😔

[rancid mulch]

i had a mask that laid over the minimap to make it look like a circle in the middle but the corners of the minimap box were black, would need some clever art to hide them

[primal lance]

The intention is more of a complete replacement but yeah it could look cool in that kind of frame

[strange stratus]

Simply rebuild the mini map from scratch

Nearby Doors and a compass might be enough actually

[primal lance]

I'm just not that Into minimaps, I end up looking at them more than the game. I actually need less actively useful data from my HUD or I get transfixed by it. That's what I like about Status Head, it's a kind of diagetic feedback that helps me immerse myself. So it's more about vibes,
what would my character know

When I was a kid i remember playing like Hexen back in the day almost exclusively with the map open

Any game that lets my move with the map open is cursed. unless it's like Far Cry 2s map, thats my ideal

Nearby doors seems like a good compromise, have you tried it? I was wondering about performance

[hazy stump]

Minimaps in open world games largely killed freeform exploration. Ouest compass as well.

[timber fable]

I could live without the minimap (especially now that I have HUDmarker), but I'd need a compass at the very least, otherwise I'm lost huhu.
Honestly, the vanilla minimap is so small and zoomed in I barely look at it, except to serve as a compas (to check my orientation with player arrow)

[strange stratus]

There was a big perf update on nearby doors I haven't tried it yet

[strange stratus]

There's Simple Text Compass if you want the tiniest compass

[timber fable]

Cheers, good to know

[hazy stump]

standard compass is fine

[rose turtle]

I usually disable mini maps in open world games or disable most of the help features

(witcher 3)

[strange stratus]

I remember playing just looking at the map when I was a child. Monsters scared me so I would levitate over the wilderness and have my eyes glued on the minimap so I'd know when to land

[hazy stump]

it's Oblivion quest compass which demolished the idea of a sandbox/open world IMO

[timber fable]

Oh yeah I hate those

[rose turtle]

I am fine with it as long as the devs give me the option to turn it off

[hazy stump]

many modern games don't even give you directions

[rose turtle]

that's true

[hazy stump]

they are clearly made with compass in mind

or minimap

or whatever

which is an issue

[rose turtle]

the problem is

many games give you directions but it's worthless

[hazy stump]

I hate this btw

the compass and no directions

bleh

but worst of all are the Ubisoft towers

[rose turtle]

why would you use directions when you have a feature that helps you

[hazy stump]

my fucking god

such garbage

Ubislop is truly the worst

worst open worlds I know

[timber fable]

I'd take quest compass as a last resort and punctual "help" feature, at most (kinda like "highlight a pair" when you're stuck in Mahjong )

[hazy stump]

in terms of design

[rose turtle]

the world themselves are cool

[hazy stump]

design

[rose turtle]

in terms of how they look

[hazy stump]

not the looks

they are pretty

so what?

[rose turtle]

it's not the design really, it's the lack of meaningful use of the world

[hazy stump]

tower-reveal map with 1421414 markers-tower again-rinse and repeat

[rose turtle]

most quests are very surface level

[hazy stump]

it's the worst use of open world I've ever seen

[rose turtle]

and don't use the world to their advantage

most ubisoft games feel like late alpha products

[hazy stump]

they are basically ctrl+C and ctrl+V games, so...

[rose turtle]

the overall concept and world are finished, nothing of substance is still made

[primal lance]

Ubisoft: polishing turds till they shine like gold

[rose turtle]

like oh we made this cool looking world and it's neat, can we put actual effort into quests now?

[hazy stump]

they are in dire straits

[timber fable]

I'm wondering if quest markers aren't just a result of "deskilling" (or defunding) in game/world design. (I could honestly imagine the first markers made as neat features, then someone realising it's cheaper/easier than careful and immersive desing, and jumping on it the moment it looked like players liked them)
(I have no idea if it's actually cheaper or easier, by the way)

[rose turtle]

it's not hard to give directions

it's actually easy

it's more convenient for the devs

[primal lance]

but its worse than that, because it always seems like some people there are trying to make cool engaging worlds and then someone steps in like "nope dont need any of that, cut it" and your left with all these ghosts of good game design

[rose turtle]

to use those markers

same with fast travel

[primal lance]

yeah it will save a lot of time in design

but its more about design ethos

[rose turtle]

I am not against fast travel btw, just don't make it piss easy

[primal lance]

like eh, that kind of stuff just doesnt move units

[hazy stump]

back in Oblivion days the devs said that it was convenient because they didn't have to write directions and they could move around NPCs wherever they wanted

in other words, less effort

they win

[hazy stump]

yet again it's Oblivion which is the worst offender

you can fast travel to every city right from the start

no effort

no cost

everything available

instantly

[rose turtle]

the problem is, they desinged a world with many unique areas and stuff but never utilizied it to give directions.

[hazy stump]

I would say that Oblivion is actually the opposite of this

[rose turtle]

not talking about oblivion necessarily

oblivion is bad about that yeah

[hazy stump]

Oblivion is all lvl scaled stuff, the dungeons are pretty much pointless

like, there is no unique stuff

[rose turtle]

skyrim is better actually lol

[hazy stump]

yeah

I think that it's hard to create a worse TES game than Oblivion

when you take it as a whole

[primal lance]

shadowkey?

[rose turtle]

oblivion has both great underlying mechanics and worst aspects of TES

[hazy stump]

but it's one of those "small" games, right?

I don't really count them

[primal lance]

yeah its mobile

[hazy stump]

heh

[primal lance]

might be similar in terms of dungeons

[rose turtle]

speaking of dungeons

[hazy stump]

pretty sure that there are far better mobile games than that

[rose turtle]

imma say it

daggerfall has the best dungeon music

[timber fable]

I haven't checked the million other TES game they releaed on mobile and stuff, but I bet it's worse. Also, I've seen let's plays of Redgard, and I wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole (although its problems seemed very different from Oblivions, more like : excrutiating execution)

[primal lance]

i enjoyed oblivion dungeoning but its pretty mindless, similar to older games like ultima but shiny

[hazy stump]

ha ha, yeah, but Redguard isn't even an RPG

[rose turtle]

the dungeon music in daggerfall made me feel great unease

[hazy stump]

it was their attempt at an action adventure game

[primal lance]

i love redguard

[hazy stump]

it flopped hard

[primal lance]

but yeah its no rpg

[rose turtle]

redguard is a bad game with great ideas

[primal lance]

janky tomb raider clone

[timber fable]

Redgard honestly looks like it would be neat, if the controls weren't as abysmal as they seem to be. It really looks barely (if even that) playable

[primal lance]

its based af

[rose turtle]

this is the only TES game that needs an actual remake

[hazy stump]

it would probably be good if it received a proper remake

[rose turtle]

not oblivion or some shit

[primal lance]

its getting one

[rose turtle]

huh

what

[primal lance]

openmw style

[rose turtle]

oh