deep-dive-discussion

[severe moth]

my bad

just c4 memes rot my brain

[jade tusk]

I mean. Poor use of a fat boy can down teammates

Well. If a scout got down 5 times by the grenade launcher he either has no situational awareness. The engie has no situational awareness. The scout is a dumbass for fighting groups of bugs DOOM style. The Engie really hated the scout for some noodle incident before the EDD begun

[full geyser]

What was your noodle incident

[jade tusk]

The time my gunner was put into jail for "unusual amount of war crimes in a short time frame"

[dry wraith]

Geez the 1st stage of the edd ramped up really hard

even with all the nitra the huge swarms of trijaws and oppressors knocked us all out instantly

lost all three dolly parts in like 1 minute

at the end of 2nd stage of heart stone

[jade tusk]

Sometimes spawn RNG can just fuck you over

[dry wraith]

it was like a horror movie, I was trying to get dolly fixed up but the second I turn around I see four trijaws lined up side to side at my height about to fire

then the scout who was the last one alive got flung across the whole room by an opressor

[jade tusk]

Sometimes DRG gives you those super hard BS runs

At least it was the first stage so the time lost was somewhat minimal

[dry wraith]

ye it wasn't so bad, but we kinda went a bit too slow with the predig and it took us 25 mins

[jade tusk]

Yeah the game was politely telling you to "Hurry up"

[ashen vortex]

I just completed my first deep dive.

[jade tusk]

Congrats

[hardy nacelle]

there's nothing to predig for in this week's EDD aside from going to the first room to kill the leech

[jade tusk]

When I was doing a replay of the EDD. Someone didn't listen about that leech. 2 lead beards didn't listen. Mister Leech got them both

[jolly hazel]

25 minute predig?

or 25 minutes mission

I've had teams who wanted to go all the way to the hearthstone before when i was a noob

now I see how dumb it is

[jade tusk]

No predig should take over 10 minutes. Scout out the first room you can dig too. Grab any Nitra that is easily reachable at least until you can hit the magic 80. Only time you extend the dig out is if you hear a Bulk

[olive ginkgo]

yo does anyone know if you can use iron will on each stage in a deep dive?

[charred root]

yes u can

[olive ginkgo]

sweet ty

[steep cloud]

All "X times per mission" perks reset for each stage

[odd comet]

Yes

[amber belfry]

1200 kills as engie, this weeks EDD

[violet warren]

Predrilling for a known BET-C is also justified, right?

[velvet salmon]

Have you guy ever noted in EDD discussion channel, mighty miners is the majority

[amber belfry]

hrmm, it's mostly mighty and cave crawlers, but maybe it's teh same active peope

[unkempt saffron]

I think predrilling this time around will take more time since the mules and eggs are in the mid and hearthstone rooms, its still a worthwhile strat albeit if you arent quick enough you may end up spending a little too much nitra to consolidate incoming swarms

Though at least theres barely any bulks this time too

[frail plume]

bruh wtf edd stage 2 impossible

non stop wave of everything and no red sugar

[leaden cypress]

you have shitton of nitra though ?

[hallow ice]

Definitely possible brother

You just need coordination with driller and gunner

[hallow ice]

And this

I took red sugar passive perk so the sugar lasted a lot longer

[jade tusk]

Remember to pull eggs one at a time and be slow about it. Egg missions move mostly at your own pace. Be fast and game is fast. Be slow and game is somewhat slow with random mini swarms to harass you to remind you to keep moving

[shut oracle]

what if u get them all same time as theres a cap for enemies?

for overall less ammo usage

[jade tusk]

Assumes all the eggs are close by so you can cover each other. It's a 4 egg missions or a egg secondary to get 1 big swarm and you have the coordination to do it without everyone becoming headless chickens the moment something bigger than a grunt shows up

[shut oracle]

yeah i mean i dont plan to use all at once, but sometimes its 2 same place or other guys get them same time, and its quite nice imo to have overall less swarms, as long as its not some hard modifier

wouldnt do it in macteraswarm or shield disruption

[jade tusk]

Or a good idea of what the spawn pool of what enemies are roaming around

[shut oracle]

also predigging eggs in edd doretta missions helps alot

[jade tusk]

Yes it does.

Nothing having a double swarm because Dotty triggered the egg during the dig

[shut oracle]

not a huge fan of predigging to core myself though cause 1. it takes forever and 2. i rather use the drill fuel for combat

[jade tusk]

I generally aim to Pre-dig to at least the first Refuel room if needed.

Any further is overkill

[shut oracle]

had some guy who wanted to get to core before starting doretta and it took half hour and 3 resupplies to get there

and then we still lost cause doretta went up 80 degrees and we were mid of exploder infestation swarm 😂

[jade tusk]

Oof

[shut oracle]

no edd though gladly just some random haz5 doretta mission

[jade tusk]

Depending of what fills into the spawn pool. It can feel like a Exploder infestation or flyer plague

[amber belfry]

Does this mean that besides Detonators, if you're overwhelmed in Egg missions it's your team's fault.

[woeful patrol]

Definitely yes

[full geyser]

Are the spawn slots seed dependent?

[velvet salmon]

EDD spawn pool is random iirc

[jolly hazel]

nobody has said anything about a bulk this week so I assume yes

yes but its not much of a gain lol

[manic crane]

those damn escort missions man

they always go wrong so quickly

[jade tusk]

It's all fun and games until the spawn pool gives you Menaces, Bulks, and a Grabber to constantly disrupt you

[full geyser]

Shellbacks my beloved

Is it just me or are menaces the weirdest critters in the game?

They look so different from other creatures and from my experience act the weirdest and have the most bugs

[jolly hazel]

ya they don't have the glyphid face

they technically act like spitters but instead of walking to a shooting position they teleport

[full geyser]

They also just kind stare sometimes...

Its actually pretty unsettling

I had one unburrow behind cover and it didnt do anything until i shot it

I killed it before it burrowed again

I also had a similar case where the corpse still had the AI to continue standing and staring

[jade tusk]

It's just standing there...menacing

[full geyser]

It was very

I didnt know why it wasnt just shooting at the drilldozer but it was scaring me

[jade tusk]

Sometimes Menaces just decide to give up their life. Just stare at you think very angry thoughts

[unkempt saffron]

Menaces may be odd, but imo they arent as vile as their little red headed cousin, the acid spitter

[west nest]

we doing double escort? really?

[jade tusk]

You got shit ton of Nitra to go with those double escorts

[rigid venture]

Bros, what does this week's edd entail?

I backread, double escort? Nice. I love those!

Brb commiting uninstall

[jade tusk]

2 rounds of Escort with 1 having no modifier and 2nd filled to the brim with swarmers beyond swarmers. With a egg hunt inbetween. 4 mini mules to save and lots of nitra for storm trooper dwarfs

[rigid venture]

Shnasty

[proven viper]

why does DD 2nd stage hole on the right from pod just completely confuse the dreadnaught

[shut oracle]

edd went pretty easy for us this week

stage 2 was superfast

[timber dove]

Hii

I am new here

[sinful karma]

Easiest deep dive I’ve played. Only 100 hours in the game tho.

[jade tusk]

Depending how it generates DD and EDDs could be very easy or the most painful experience ever

[tepid shell]

Does a deep dive give season xp?

[digital chasm]

yes

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[jade tusk]

Yes, but it will not progress any season challenge(s) you may have

[tepid shell]

Cool, ty

[ashen veldt]

This week's DDs were really easy imo

I almost wish there were an extra-EDD

[unkempt saffron]

Deep dives are pretty easy for the most part, they only cap out at haz 3.5 so if you play haz 3 or 4 regularly itll be a breeze

[sinful karma]

For sure. Haz 3 is like normal, right?

[unkempt saffron]

Sort of depending on the player

[jade tusk]

Haz 3 is more in the line of "Hard" If we go by scale of Easy, Normal, Hard, Very Hard, Insane from Haz 1 to Haz 5

[last swan]

Just finished the EDD with a friend for the first time R&S

[jade tusk]

Congrats on beating it

[last swan]

thanks

[vernal willow]

I want to discover a good Lok 1 build that isn't ECR or Executioner

(not that either of those are bad, just want to do something different)

[jade tusk]

Experiment and find a Loki build that suits your play style almost every build is viable in DRG

[vernal willow]

Maybe Neuro Lasso with SMRT and huge lens. Things that die easily get capped at low lock, things that don't get more locks and bigger slow

[jaunty thorn]

Ammo bags, CCD, SMRT, Aperture, Fear, Eraser overclock. Join a swarmer mission. Have fun. Dab on haters.

[molten tapir]

Anyone else having trouble with the edd

[amber belfry]

@molten tapir Late, but which part of it? Finished it on first try, the escort?

Wait second try, lol.

[reef bison]

This weeks EDD is really fucking my randoms up. Cant get past 2nd stage without everyone dying

[alpine raptor]

Just got to stage 3 in edd and.... Damn. Damn, damn, damn. We were so close. SO CLOSE!

Bunkers are life in stage 2.

[reef bison]

Yeah I keep calling my tms to fall back and defend when the swarm comes on 2nd stage but they just separate and die

Not much a gunner can do on his own with shield disruption and a 100 enemies

[jolly hazel]

if u need to bunker on stage 2 there are bigger problems afoot

[jade tusk]

Stage 2 is primary Egg collection main so the pace is mostly based on your team. Pluck the eggs one at a time and deal with the mini-swarm/swarm as they come out. Though I 100% recommend dealing with all the steam geysers in the main area to reduce the amount of chip damage you get from it or if Tunnel rats is on tap drink that before going into this EDD

[jolly hazel]

isnt it in a big cylinder room

or does my memory fail me

[jade tusk]

I think the main area is more of a bowl-like room with 5 or 6 steam geysers in it

[jolly hazel]

also enough nitra surplus u can call 2 or 3 resups

[jade tusk]

Yeah. Important to save a few for the finale. You're gonna need the ammo

[jolly hazel]

this week?

should have like 800 surplus

[last lagoon]

Whats a deep dive? I still havent promoted my first character. Im aware i could search it up, but i would like someone to give me an easier to read simpler summary based on experience.

[jolly hazel]

🥣

3 missions in a row with secondary objectives replaced with 1 normal objective, gold and nitra carry over, no minerals

[leaden cypress]

minerals exist only through hoarders*

[jade tusk]

No mineable minerals*

[boreal ginkgo]

any general tips for deep dives? ive done one, did it first try, but it was INCREDIBLY difficult and i had plenty of moments where i was 1 hit from even a bit of fall damage

[jade tusk]

Good general tips I can offer follows

• Be as fast and efficient as possible. Faster you clear the caves. The less swarms you deal with and the less ammo and health lost
• Your health, Primary ammo, secondary ammo, Nitra, and Gold reserves carry over between stages. Sentry, C4, travel tools will be refilled to full for the next stage
• As much it goes against the dwarf tradition. Try to avoid mining gold when possible. DD and EDD have good natural payouts and mining gold wastes time which allows the swarms to draw ever closer to you
• Be extra mindful of the Daily Special Beer that's on tap. The beer's effect carries over to all 3 stages
• Don't conserve your active perk charges. They will replenish between stages
• Bosco is best boy! In Solo DD and EDD Bosco revive charges will recharge between stages
• Prioritize bugs when possible. An acid spitter deserves a lot more attention than a lone swarmer or grunt
• Mark out high threat bugs (Acid spitters, Menaces, Grabbers, Bulks, Opps) with your laser pointer.

[jolly hazel]

during fights u should be holding backwards on stick/s key

do not try to hold your ground unless you are in a gunner shield

[jade tusk]

Speaking of going backwards. Check your damn back. You never know what could be behind you as you run backwards

[jolly hazel]

usually a slasher or two

[jade tusk]

Also if you have to hold an area. Prep the area. You'll be surprised at how much extra lines of sight does when fighting the swarms

[north hare]

usually there is a huge drop behind me

[tulip idol]

no you should rush bugs like a chad with resistance build

no going back, only forward

pick berzerker too

[shut oracle]

if ur on driller try going cryo cannon, rly made stage 2 a cakewalk for us, u can just freeze everything for ur team and also if the big swarm of small things arrives hold ur ground in front of team and drill them

may need barbed drills but they all jump in ur drills and die

[reef bison]

I've gone driller twice now just my team doesn't stick together enough and die before the horde spawns even get intense. So by the time they die it's me against the world literally lmfao

I dont do bad but it just annoys me that if I go down then that's game over bc no one can think for themselves

[shut oracle]

worst case if ur alone just spam cryo in any direction, cold radiance saves ur ass

[reef bison]

Yeah I still need tuned cooler the game just wont give it to me

All I've got is the better ammo mod and longer use

[shut oracle]

i have it but im using either clean or snowball, dont like the spinup

8 freeze is perfectly fine

[reef bison]

I've also got ice storm but meh

[shut oracle]

ice storm isnt good imo

i like thermal efficiency

[reef bison]

That's what I've got

[shut oracle]

750 ammo let u spam forever

[reef bison]

I just feel like tuned cooler is what I need more

[shut oracle]

snowball for mactera swarm missions

[reef bison]

Insta freeze mac swarms

[shut oracle]

tuned cooler either cripples ur ammo or u have 0,7 sec spinup which i dont like

9 freeze is wasted so either 8 or 10

[jade tusk]

Snowball is a really nice OC. Just AoE freeze on demand

With a my Snowball OC I run 2-1-2-3-2

[shut oracle]

i hate the small delay but its good vs mactera

wish it was instant

im swapping between clean and snowball alot, always 2 on t1 for me as im used to instant response

[jade tusk]

I like the instant response as well. Though I generally swap between having more "Magazine" or instant response based on what I need. I'm used to both .1 and .5 second charge up

[shut oracle]

i sometimes dont use snowball whole mission and then think why didnt i take max ammo

[jade tusk]

I use snowball as I would use my PGL. Big group of bugs. Freeze them

[shut oracle]

instant response cold radiance carries me alot in haz5

[shut oracle]

normal stream is more efficient on that though as 200 freeze is overkill on grunts

[jade tusk]

My Secondary I run my Trusty EPC with 1-2-3-2-2 with the heavy hitter OC

[shut oracle]

same heavy hitter takes out mactera and menace so fast i love it

[jade tusk]

And chunks heavy targets when frozen

[shut oracle]

40dmg 116 ammo is too good to pass

[jade tusk]

112 ammo actually

But close enough

[shut oracle]

or 112 😅 feels like a pocket m1k

[jade tusk]

It hits like a truck

[shut oracle]

btw unlocked embedded detonator oc for zhukov yesterday and love it

didnt like cryo minelets dunno why

[jade tusk]

Cyro mines feel sluggish

[shut oracle]

yeah i tried to rely on the freeze but i just got slapped

rather kite and kill them with blowthrough m1k

cant even blink how fast the detonator oc kills the gooshitter mactera

[jade tusk]

I don't have Detonator yet.

For my m1k I run Hipster

[shut oracle]

im used to hoverclock now saved my ass like 100 times alrdy

[jade tusk]

Special powder and Hover boots incase I stupid myself

[shut oracle]

i finished my first solo haz5 mission yesterday and had a prospector at spawn and every mag i dumped into it took away like 1/4 health

with embedded detonator

its i think 30x38 dmg alone from reload and then another 150? from direct hits

also almost kills a predator on haz4/5 with 1 mag into ass

still slower than a cryo driller but pretty good for scout

[jolly hazel]

tried that with drills on haz 5 without freezing first and I had the team scraping me off the ground a lot

snowball is doo doo

really small aoe for the fuel u spend

ice spear is actually pretty good on frozen shit like opressors, pretty sure it one shots them?

tuned cooler definetly still meta imo

[jade tusk]

Snowball dunks on groups of Macs which is the main reason why I run snowball. Ice spear I found for myself not as useful unless I'm doing dread missions

[violet warren]

This EDD seems impossible for a scout to solo

2 escorts, 1 being swarmageddon

[jade tusk]

And scouts lacking firepower and AoE clears means this isn't EDD for the solo scout enjoyer

[thorn moss]

Double Drilldozer solo scout

sounds sketchy

[hoary cove]

snowball vs mactera is solid tho

[hoary cove]

tuned cooler is far from meta

[jolly hazel]

you still overspend fuel for what you accomplisj

and tuned cooler would kill each in .5 seconds anyways

[hoary cove]

it’s not a lot of fuel spent when ur using it on a mactera plague

[jolly hazel]

just take funny weakpoint anti mactera subata and tri jaw dies in 2 shots

[hoary cove]

i think ur over valuing tuned cooler when cold radiance can get the job done just as well

[hoary cove]

i’m talking about a haz 5 mactera plague

not 1 or 2 tri jaws

[jolly hazel]

cold radiance has u get a bit too close for comfort if u want to use it as a freeze source

yeah I play on haz 5 too lol

you still have the recharge delay which is even worse than tuned cooler spool up

so if u don't tag every mactera its subata time anyways

[hoary cove]

cold radiance is literally the best thing about cryo cannon. unless u reach 10 freeze power, ur not even increasing ur cold output by that noticeable of an amount compared to cold radiance

[jolly hazel]

iirc 11 is the cutoff

of diminishing returns

which tuned cooler reaches easily lol

and u can take ammo mods

[hoary cove]

ye but even 10 isn’t necessary at all

i rely on cold radiance entirely when freezing dreads for example

if you do side by side comparisons, cold rad just does the big bulk of cold no matter what

so tuned cooler is nice but not at all the definitive best oc

[jolly hazel]

idk I tend to get tagged a lot more by stray bullshit when I'm trying to use cold radiance, especially if im near a minehead or something

[jolly hazel]

how so? what would you put above it? let's say I even consneed your point about snowball on mactera plague, what compares?

[hoary cove]

thermal efficiency

more ammo = more cold radiance and the pressure is a nice bonus

[jolly hazel]

ehhhhhh

[hoary cove]

dude trust me, 10 and 11 cold is not doing anything crazy

[jolly hazel]

u still have to take more cold mods to reach 10/11 with clean oc

[hoary cove]

iv tried both a lot, i hit 30 driller promos before sludge came out

[jolly hazel]

you can take even more ammo mods with tuned cooler

[hoary cove]

you can with thermal efficiency as well

because you don’t need freeze power

[jolly hazel]

yeah but you aren't reaching 10/11 cold

[hoary cove]

why wud i?

it’s not necessary at all

[jolly hazel]

let's agree to disagree

[hoary cove]

wut situations wud you use cryo outsode cold rad

[jolly hazel]

bulk

mactera plague in tunnel, can control position of bugs better

guarding a ridge

anything not on the ground

(except mactera)

coom bombers

also any situation where I have to rely on my teammates not shooting the big yellow guy standing next to the bugs

(they didn't take friendly)

usually salvage and the like

[thorn moss]

you're not freezing a bulk outside of cold rad distance

[jolly hazel]

I've done it multiple times with tuned cooler

[hoary cove]

the only thing there that cold radiance can’t freeze with cold radiance is bulks

even mactera aren’t an issue with cold radiance cus jumping next to them while shooting basically insta freezes them

[jolly hazel]

cannot always jump next to them

these are niche situations but I'd rather have my gun cover all of them

[hoary cove]

then tcf or plasma spam

[jolly hazel]

ya that's why I said subata lol

[hoary cove]

why wud you run cryo with subuta tho

[jolly hazel]

if mactera plague is a big enough deal to switch to snowball why not go all in on anti mactera

esp with snowball recharge

[hoary cove]

snowball is the last cryo build that needs range and freeze power

it one shots entire mactera swarms

[jolly hazel]

yeah? I wasn't saying it did lol

cold radiance isn't amazing against mactera and snowball won't always kill every single one

unless I'm solo, other classes would deal with the stragglers so its kind of a moot point

[hoary cove]

other classes don’t deal with mactera

[jolly hazel]

in my personal testing with snowball it just feels bad, especially on ground targets where I have to wait for a recharge after freezing 3 bugs and the ballistic trajectory is annoying

?

[hoary cove]

that’s cus snowball isn’t for ground targets

[jolly hazel]

the classes with single target damage definetly benefit from that weakspot multiplier lol

[hoary cove]

cold radiance is pretty much the most ammo efficient way to freeze anything, but snowball gives the benifit of range and insta freeze

[jolly hazel]

range is a stretch lol

[hoary cove]

we are talking about two different things. Your picturing one or two mactera. I’m talking about macter plague where 15 spawn

[hoary cove]

wtf yes it does

[jolly hazel]

it drops hard, unless you want to mortar it

I thought it would be more similar to ice spear projectile but its like grenade trajectory lol

if not worse

[jolly hazel]

minigun will still shred them

especially if you funnel them

you can pgl them

cryo grenade them

what else would they be spending them on during mactera plague lol

I also don't trust greenbeards getting danger close trying to use cold radiance aura

drillers die enough as is

[hoary cove]

none of those kill mactera as fast as snowball, besides cryo nade

which the scout has far less uses of

[jolly hazel]

pgl should instakill them no?

at the very least stun maxtera at max range and then easy fodder

in any case I believe in sticky flame supremacy

[hoary cove]

i think pgl needs fire mod to one shot in most cases

[hoary cove]

sticky fuel is great but not for mactera plague

[copper aspen]

my friend tryed to join my game put he experienced lag and desync and got disconnected ,but it worked with my other friends

[jolly hazel]

its on his end

[jolly hazel]

ya I was surprised at how mediocre even face melter was on mactera even with dmg buff

I'd still take flamer over cryo on edd even with a mactera plague mission but thats just my preference

[shut oracle]

u dont need 10 freeze at all, i mostly run 8 freeze with clean oc for max ammo and it freezes most stuff in no time

also the reduced pressure drop from clean.oc lets me freeze opressor/bulk/dread without leaving mousebutton

only when im facing 5+ mactera alone id wish i had taken snowball but if i see the modifier i use snowball

i rly tried to like tuned cooler but i just cant play with 0,7 sec spinup and even the 0,3 are annoying

[jolly hazel]

I dont think I ever run into the pressure drop unless I'm on a bulk

w/tuned cooler

.7 really isn't that bad and just requires forethougjt

[vernal willow]

I played extensively with Tuned Cooler as well and thought it was awesome, then I tried dumping it and embracing Cold Radiance. Night and day difference. Cold Radiance is busted. Snowball or Thermal Efficiency is perfect.

I cannot go back to 0.7 delay

Provided you are pressing the trigger, you can basically body bomb mobs with cold radiance and you are perfectly safe.

Snowball is all about flexibility. It may not be efficient, but even with a half coordinated team you can snow ball a warden from distance, or a spitter/brood/breeder. It has way more utility then just Mactera Swarms.

Basically only use it in situations where body bombing is too dangerous or not possible

[jolly hazel]

simply have scout cryo nade it

I'll try looking at it that way but I would just ice spear spitballer from greater range

and the drop is annoying for breeders

/warden

I dont think its feasible to hit a warden on the ceiling but ill test it

I still think being able to freeze stuff a lot sooner (travel time) esp bulk is more valuable cuz its more of a support, dont have to be next to the bugs while team blasts them

[vernal willow]

If you have a team that can't manage friendly fire, then ya, radiance and low freeze power gets worse

But I play with a lot of randoms, exclusively so in EDD's and it's never been so bad that I can't function

Tuned Cooler is only faster at freezing from safer distances (obviously), and even then, if you freeze the ground while shooting at the mob, the difference between 8 and 10 freeze power is still marginal.

So the power of 10+ freeze is on things like good bomber and other bugs that cannot be flash freezed by snowball

I like 10+ freeze on eliminations as well, especially if I am playing on high ping.

But that's mostly cause I suck at dodging the dread AOE attack after trying to freeze at close range.

[jolly hazel]

Lesson I've learned from playing multiplayer games is go in expecting the worst lol

pleasantly surprised when they are good

I like the safe aspect of tuned cooler as well

I have been grenaded by engies 4 times as cryo driller compared to zero on every other class

[vernal willow]

It's definitely the safer option, but in terms of freeze power when compared to proper cold radiance use, the combination of 0.1 wind up speed and cold radiance is really just nuts.

[jolly hazel]

fair

freeze even faster with tuned cooler+cold radiance!

:^)

[vernal willow]

Tbf, I run both builds

[jolly hazel]

I honestly don't mind the windup because I probably made my mind up

and am going to shoot

[vernal willow]

There is a video out there and unfortunately, running both only results in milisecond differences

[jolly hazel]

based minmaxing

[vernal willow]

Radiance emits 60 freeze per second

[jolly hazel]

if I freeze .01 second slower than the other build I'm trashing it

[vernal willow]

Adding even 3 freeze power to 68 freeze power is so marginal

Then ground freeze is 16 freeze power too

So it's 84 freeze power vs 87, assuming both builds are doing the optimal thing

[jolly hazel]

oh I didn't realize ground freeze was a thing

just a reminder showing me I suck at aiming

and hit the ground, stupid

does cold radiance create ground freeze aura too?

or rather

[vernal willow]

Yar, if you ground freeze, it's 24 freeze power vs 27, assuming no radiance

[jolly hazel]

I thought cold radiance stacked with the firing cryo

[vernal willow]

So you start to see that tuned cooler is only really good if you are aiming directly at bugs

E.e good bombers

[jolly hazel]

as in it stacked the aura with the direction

idk I hate coom bombers and anything that makes them die sooner is good

[vernal willow]

Ya it all depends on playstyle, I ignore good bombers and let teammates deal with em. By the time you freeze em etc, usually the team has half blown em up. That's my experience at least. Even with 11 freeze power.

Goo Bombers take 300 freeze power to freeze

*I think, based on memory.

[jolly hazel]

anything that messes with my mobility is a death sentence for me especially on low mobility classes

[shut oracle]

instant response with cold radiance saves my ass all day, but have to say i kill most stuff in melee

also have friendly perk cause i sometimes eat a cluster nade/breach cutter

[vernal willow]

True, I forgot about Friendly, while it feels like a wasted passsive slot, melee cold bombing is so strong, it might be one of the few cases where you could recommend it.

[jade cosmos]

what is the best graned for gunner?

[vernal willow]

*with trigger happy teammates

[vernal willow]

It all stacks

Shooting directly at enemy is max 8-11 freeze (non melee range), shooting at feet but also enemy is 24-27 freeze, and cold radiance + feet + body is 84-87

So it's just coming away understanding that the +3 freeze power from tuned and perks is less valuable based on how you are approaching freezing the enemies

[shut oracle]

people love to waste their ammo shooting my back while i try to heal up in swarm most times when i play pub sadly

always have to tell them there is no need to shoot frozen grunts cause they die in no time anyway when i drill

[vernal willow]

I'm with you, I might take it instead of Thorns in pubs now as well

[shut oracle]

im only taking thorns on scout, driller u can just drill in the direction and swarm kills themself

before touching u

no matter if its 5 or 100

[vernal willow]

Will also help when I accidentally set off my TCF to early and hit the team 🥲

Or when the scout grapples to the minerals I was gonna mine and doesn't know his place.

[shut oracle]

i rarely use tcf, i changed back from plasma burn when i got heavy hitter to reduce overheat a bit

but normal shots hit so hard alrdy

[vernal willow]

If I had heavy hitter, I would switch too

[shut oracle]

im using vampire, elemental insulation and friendly along with iron will and dash now

used to run field medic but cryo and c4 gives me save revives so rather have a emergency last stand

[vernal willow]

I use vampire, thorns (which I will probably drop, just lazy), and resupplier, then dash and IW

[shut oracle]

i kinda like elemental insulation cause dread fireballs and menace hit like a truck on haz5

[vernal willow]

Fair

Menace is elemental damage?

[shut oracle]

yeah frost i think

at least looks like

[vernal willow]

Pretty sure it's just normal

It's just spit

It doesn't freeze

Not sure elemental protects vs them

[shut oracle]

ah ok

also radiation gets reduced which kinda hurts me in melee

[vernal willow]

It might be acid

[shut oracle]

might get rid of it wiki says it only helps vs radiation and praetorian spit, dread fireball is explosive

[vernal willow]

Yar

[shut oracle]

maybe just slot it in radiation and magma core

[vernal willow]

If you run 6 second revive invincibility, resupplier feels mandatory

It's pretty clutch being able to get revived and have time to run and use a resupply while invincible

[shut oracle]

yeah prob gonna slot that anyway as i dont find anything else useful for driller

sugar is good too but i let it for team cause im vamp

1 grunt swarm means full health

i always take sweet tooth on scout cause im using all that hard to reach sugar at ceiling

[vernal willow]

I've started using sweet tooth on scouts and absolutely love it, but it's particularly good on scouts (especially ones like me who still take steady fall damage) because you can reach the hard to get ones and top up instantly. I want to consider incorporating it to other classes, but not sure yet.

[vernal willow]

Ya this.

[vernal willow]

Do you mean grenade?

[jade tusk]

There's no real "Best" grenade in the gunner's tool kit as all 3 of them are useful.
Sticky gives 6 grenades to throw at the problem and is pretty solid
Molotov grenade gives the gunner a bit of arena denial, but may annoy cyro drillers due to heating enemies up
Cluster is a AoE grenade that's pretty useful across the board, but tends to drop lots of Friendly fire damage

[vernal willow]

Unpopular opinion probably, but I also think It's a Bug thing is a decent option on scouts, especially on a EDD. Take deep pockets, sweet tooth, and it's a bug thing and you have a very mobile self sustaining nitra collector that really speeds missions along.

[jade tusk]

Though it depends on how many Lootbugs spawn in

[vernal willow]

True, but the odds over 3 stacked missions is a decent average.

[jade tusk]

That's true

[vernal willow]

You have to take deep pockets though, otherwise too much minerals means too many trips to Molly, which cuts into saves time

[jade tusk]

I run deep pockets naturally on my scout anyways

Just so I can save myself doing multiple trips on a big vein of Nitra or Morkite

[shut oracle]

im unsure about vamp on scout, does give a safe iron will if no sugar in reach but how often does that happen

[vernal willow]

I did too, but I tried to ween myself off it. But with bugs popping as you pass, the extra space to vacuum up the extra is nice

They should make a perk that increases mineral pick up radius

[jade tusk]

Cyro on a group of grunts and pickaxing them to death is only real reason for Vamp in Scout

[vernal willow]

Also you can ressuply after IW as well, and grapple gets you there fast

[shut oracle]

i have aoe power pickaxe perk so its some health on cooldown

[jade tusk]

Oh yeah the cryo mines of the duelies

[vernal willow]

I'd skip vamp on scout

[shut oracle]

but mostly for safe iron will if its nothing around

[jade tusk]

Resupplier or Sweet tooth would be my choices for scout

[vernal willow]

That's a lot of things going wrong for 1 perk slot

Re: vamp on scout

No ressuply and no sugar and not just simply reviving a gunner

Who can shield and revive you after

[jade tusk]

Assuming the gunner has a shield charge left or his shield isn't still on cooldown

[shut oracle]

yeah i stick to thorns, sweet tooth and deep pockets

[vernal willow]

Especially since scout can also afford to run IW + Medic

[shut oracle]

and swap deep pockets to vamp if i know i have to carry

yeah have iw+medic on scout

[jade tusk]

Thorns, Deep pockets, 2nd wind for my scout

Actives is Medic + Hover

[shut oracle]

also like aoe pickaxe cause i have 0 aoe other than cryo nade

on driller always double dmg to finish off preatorians and stuff

[jade tusk]

Scout is the only class where I run the faster PA cooldown on. Everyone else is Extra power attack damage

Just so I use Karl's accent more often

[shut oracle]

haha aoe saved my ass in swarms multiple times so like it

[jade tusk]

I may use aoe boost, but the ability to chunk out bigger bugs in a pinch or even kill them is too good to pass up for me

[knotty moth]

Question about how others do elite deep dives

You guys do it alone or with buddies ?

[jade tusk]

I do them with a group of randoms

[vernal willow]

Randoms as well

[knotty moth]

I don’t go into elites with randoms always get confident players who just got promoted no offense to them

[vernal willow]

I found an experienced group to play with, but they have all the OC's, so don't priorise DD/EDD over mission grinding for exp :O

[knotty moth]

I do it for overclocks that’s it

[jade tusk]

I do for the enjoyment and the overclocks

[knotty moth]

I had fun with this weeks elite dive

[jade tusk]

Nothing like being in a team that is way above their head in a EDD and still coming out on top

[vernal willow]

There was one week recently where doing the EDD with randoms was a nightmare, but the last three I've run have had nothing but decent and good players who get it done.

[knotty moth]

I do them solo and normal mission with randoms

I want a team to do it with but haven’t had a good team to like finish it successfully

[jade tusk]

Randoms are usually decent enough to get the job done. Just hope you don't get any lead beards

[knotty moth]

Lead?

[jade tusk]

In others words. Very dense players

The kind that don't read chat and are very head strong to their "smart" Stupid as fuck idea

[knotty moth]

Oh question

I did my deep dive right with another group of friends and got my rewards

Then I did it later with a different group same mission and got new overclocks ?

[jade tusk]

Nope

DD and EDD rewards are one time per week

But you still earn gold, XP, and Minerals* on repeat runs

*Assuming you kill the hoarder

[knotty moth]

I don’t understand must’ve been a glitch cause it gave me the hyper propellant I got on the second mission

Second deep dive I mean

[jade tusk]

My guess is probably did the EDD by accident first then did the DD without knowing it 🤷‍♂️

[knotty moth]

I think it was a glitch cause I remember doing all of the missions before and I don’t look at what the dive is for the week

[wraith shard]

Damn, we collected over 900 nitra on this EDD

[jade tusk]

In before next EDD there's no Nitra

[hoary cove]

me explaining to drg chat for the 30th time that nitra is almost never a problem on EDD

[wraith shard]

😆

It really isn't. This week was ridiculous though

[jade tusk]

Not this week

But there's always that chance for a mean as hell cave generation

where Nitra is suddenly very rare and you first mission of the EDD where you need lots of ammo

[wraith shard]

The last one I remember that just had barely enough nitra was a few weeks ago actually. But even there it wasn't tight, just not as abundant as usual. I kinda like those where you actually have to ask yourself twice before resupplying.

[hoary cove]

the first mission is fair game, but by the end i always have like 200

[pallid maple]

Dotty at the end of elite deep dive? Guess I'm not beating this mission

[digital chasm]

tbh its one of the easier elite dives

[pallid maple]

I barely kept the first mission dotty alive so I'll just take my 2 cores and save some time

[digital chasm]

I beat the ommoran with 30% of Dottys health left

not that hard

[full geyser]

While it is easy

I might just end up not playing because SOTV is tomorrow

[fierce bobcat]

Low gravity really helps a lot

[jade tusk]

Swarm spam is a big AoE check to your team. As long you can throw out enough AoE at the problem. THis is just a low grav Escort

[violet warren]

So basically you cannot solo as scout because scout fails AoE checks

I think I played scout on this EDD and my strategy was mostly "run back to the gunner and his autocannon deals with the swarmers"

[digital chasm]

cryo minelets

[jade tusk]

*Assuming owned by the Overclock gods

[hoary cove]

the game scales a lot for solo, so it shud be posssible with scout

[violet warren]

Oh, also Bosco has rockets I guess

[bold nebula]

This was the first EDD I ever beat. If I can do it so can you!!

[scenic finch]

Doing edd solo gunner, (already did it solo eng) the sheer amount of swarmers is ridiculous

Died on stage 3 sadly

Sometimes I wish bosco wasnt useless for combat lol

[reef dawn]

I played for the first time, I lost my way to Escape pod.

[velvet salmon]

Its low grav, you can kite the bugs to oblivion

[shut sierra]

EDD/DD seemed pretty easy

Did both first try with the same team

Even the second stage of the EDD wasn't too bad due to just being one full swarm

[feral tangle]

Gotta say, it's annoying how people just kick you due to your level :/

[unkempt saffron]

With the lack of bulks you can cheese stage 2 easily with a hole in the wall and just grab all the eggs instantly

[vernal willow]

EDD can be quite a time commitment, some don't want to risk the time on a possible Greenbeard. Gotta respect their choice too.

[tulip idol]

some are just to weak to carry new players

[feral tangle]

Fair, but they can at least say in the description a level limit

That's what really gets me :/

Though is level 58 still considered new?

[vernal willow]

The baseline acceptance level seems to be 100

I've joined at lower as well

But if they kicked me, they kicked me

There are plenty of games that accept lower than 100 too though

[feral tangle]

Gotta say though, doing the EDD solo is easier than I thought

[tulip idol]

I usually get 2 greenbeards on edd to make feel it somewhat challenging

[frail plume]

bruh i'm a level 34 scout and i've done edds with people above 100 and a lot of the times they were worse than me. didn't repair, didn't put down shields, didn't kill stuff, stole supplies and most importantly, didn't rock and stone smh

don't judge based on level

i literally killed more than the gunner as a scout

driller was 3 star promoted and sure he survived quite a bit but was uncooperative

we failed at stage 1

then we kicked them, found new teammates that were lower level but if you see them doing a rock and stone you know they are good players. we didn't beat the edd but still got a lot farther than before

what i'm saying is, if you don't rock and stone, you ain't coming home

[feral tangle]

Geez, I'm gonna do EDDs by myself from now on if I can't find a team in a decent amount of time. That was easy as heck

[tulip idol]

or just carry their asses yourself

[tiny crow]

Never tried an EDD solo, but it can’t hurt to try I guess. I’ll muster up the courage for it!

[wraith shard]

Or just look for people on this discord in lfg to run EDD with you

[tall meadow]

or just EDD with randoms

Always fun

[wraith shard]

They just said they always get kicked because of low blue level

[tall meadow]

aw that sucks

There will be some who will accept ye so no worries

[wraith shard]

Yeah, I'm kinda glad I didn't really want to run EDDs before I got to blue lvl 100 lol

[hardy nacelle]

I mean, I've seen hosts kick people for having low rank, but that's because they're closer to "baby's first deep dive" than "you're not level 100, kicked" ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wraith shard]

Must suck to always get kicked like that

I would never kick people because of their blue level

[hardy nacelle]

I will, but that depends entirely on if they're underleveled enough for me to safely assume it's their first DD or EDD

as much I like leading greenbeards I'd rather get the deep dive done with the first gothru

[tall meadow]

Or just be me, didn’t even know EDD’s existed until 100+ :3

Third eye opened when i realised they were something

[tight crater]

Hello guys

[wraith shard]

It depends for me. I'm just not good enough to carry 3 people through an EDD with ease, so instead of wasting everyone's time I would rather kick.
But I if with one or two friends there's definitely a spot for a freshly promoted

[tall meadow]

Yup I just carry whenever I can, I tend to host extra EDD runs through the first few days after reset when I am free so if folks need help, just find me when I’m doing those

[fallow niche]

oh god i just checked the EDD and jesus fuck, 2 escorts?

...at least the mutators look fine except for stage 2

[wraith shard]

It's not as bad as it sounds. Actually one of the easier EDDs

[fallow niche]

fungus bogs

[wraith shard]

You can rush stage 2, all the eggs are really close to each other

[fallow niche]

i'm probably repeating the things people have said for the last 4 days arent i

well whatever

[wraith shard]

And massive caves with perfect, open fighting areas

[fallow niche]

cozy

[wraith shard]

And so much nitra you gonna swim in ammo

[tall meadow]

Yup this EDD had way more nitra than even DD kek

[wraith shard]

We ended up with 9 resups on the last stage during Ommoran extraction

[wispy monolith]

I'm 64 or so right now and I absolutely need the EDD for the OCs. Don't want to wait till 100 :)
But till now I made good experiences with just joining. Mostly I host though and then nobody can kick me :)

[wraith shard]

Super fair game. I'm glad you didn't experience that, although from what I heard getting kicked because of low blue level is somewhat normal. Hosting is always a great idea, worst case is getting abandoned by everyone but you can still finish it with Bosco

[tulip idol]

just get hyperprop

also cycle overload, executioner, neuro-lasso for coop, turret arc, spammy breach cutter builds or return to sender one

there's plenty of options

and do sidejumps all the time

[shut oracle]

can also take dash active perk to gain range if they come too close

they also usually have a long animation for the big aoe attacks, u just have to jump in the right moment and most time u dont get dmg unless ur unlucky

also for the double dreadnaught try to get them both to low health before killing one of them as the other one goes crazy after

not sure if lure grenade works on dreads but if they do u can use them in a moment they are vulnerable and shoot their ass

[hoary cove]

lures don’t work on big enemies all that well in general

[wispy monolith]

I have to say, I really rarely have people leaving in the middle of a mission without saying anything and it is even rarer I have to kick someone. The community in general is really good compared to so many other online games out there 🙂

[opaque abyss]

I wanted to main gunner but from what I've seen he is situational ? does he get the job done for every kind of mission, both solo and coop ? or is there something that he can not do

[slender saffron]

he cant do fossil missions

[dark vector]

fossil missions dumb. tired of these stupid things hiding in the tightest corners

[shut oracle]

can still use zipline

or dig up 😂

[slender saffron]

number one best reason to buy rocky mountain stout: gunner

[shut oracle]

i wouldnt say gunner is situational, firepower and shields are always helpful

[slender saffron]

i'd say hes amazing in any situation tbh

[shut oracle]

all classes have their place but u feel a missing scout most at least in big caves

[slender saffron]

you cant go wrong with a buttload of area damage and a bubble that negates all incoming damage save for shellbacks

[shut oracle]

having no driller in liquid morkite sucks too

im swapping between driller and scout depending on mission if not going full team

scout is amazing in solo haz5 cause he can kite forever

just swarmers are a pain

[jade tusk]

Gunner in a way is the main "Backbone" to your swarm fighting abilities

Ziplines gives you 100% damage immunity to every melee bug in game*

*Until some lucky Trijaw or acid spitter goes "Sup"

[unkempt zodiac]

I'm planning on doing my first EDD. Any tips?

[shut oracle]

take dash and iron will or iron will and field medic if on scout

dont have to save ammo too much this week as theres a ton of nitra in stage 2

[frail plume]

of course don't take field medic if you're solo

[unkempt zodiac]

I'll give that a shot then, thank you very much.

[scenic finch]

Alrighty did the edd solo as gunner, took cb this time

[tulip idol]

cb is fine, but minelayer is just waaaay better lol

[scenic finch]

Yeah ik, just like cb a lot. Minelayer is still fun though.

[wraith shard]

The EDD was mad fun lol

It was not even THAT hard, everyone was calling it super hard, maybe I got lucky with my team, but done last 3 week's EDDs on the first try, randoms.

These are really heart pumping tho and a lot of clutches

[warm light]

The more you play, the more you'll get used to higher difficulties, EDDs haven't been hard for me in ages but I still see people calling them hard, just remember there was a time when you thought Hazard 3 was hard.

Still just as fun though.

[wraith shard]

True. I'm player level 37 so people assume i'm going to bring them down, and i get a lot of questions and sometimes people kick me.

But man they don't seem that hard, i've been playing FPS games for like a decade now. I get the gist of it.

Besides I love the game and I try my best to learn whatever class i bring to the EDD as well as I can so I'm my best.

I did the first few with scout and did my first with driller today(cryo)

People said when I started the game "haz 5 is mad tough" etc.

But its not hard at all. Idk. Never found it hard. Haz3->4 was a jump at first, but after I got the gist of it and if I play nicely, and its a half decent team, 4/5 should be the default difficulties

Some people do like to play casually tho so haz 3 is there which is cool

[hoary cove]

gunner isn’t always the swarm clearing one, but driller pretty much always is

also ranged enemies target you more when ur on zips which is why i don’t use them

[jade tusk]

Hence why backbone is in quotes. Depending on the build gunner can range to being your most dependable holder of hordes or a destroyer of bulky targets. Driller is a close 2nd in the horde clearing department.

As for zips it's more dependent of what sort enemies are spawning. If there's a lot of Macs and acid spitters spawning in a mission Ziplines are nearly useless, but if those enemies are very rare then I go town with ziplines

[hoary cove]

ig i just find zip lines to be a boring strategy

i feel like driller and engi are better at swarm clear then gunner unless he’s using neurotoxin or minelayer. Gunners main strength is sustained fire imo

[feral tangle]

I main gunner because I can use him to make mactera swarms pause their attacks.

[jade tusk]

It is, but it's boring and practical 80% of the time

[shut oracle]

had 20 mactera popping in my face today on haz5 and wished i had snowball instead of clean oc on cryo 😂 either there was no mactera modifier or i was blind

[hoary cove]

meh, i feel like kiting gets the job done just as well, but ur less vulnerable to ranged enemies

[hoary cove]

bruh ppl be dissing snowball but when the mactera squad pulls up, you better have ur finger on the r button

[jolly hazel]

"CRYO"

[warm light]

I press 4 and take cover

[hoary cove]

c4 doesn’t have the range of snowball

[jade tusk]

C4 doesn't have any range at all. Driller just drops it

[jolly hazel]

id like c4 throw range buffed tbh

outside of terraforming its just an ammo saving device

[halcyon zealot]

Would like strong arm throw c4 further

Low grav doesn't seem to affect it

[unkempt zodiac]

It can also hit all three weakspots on the Hiveguard which is very useful for solo runs.

[jade tusk]

Give me the ability to charge my throw like carrying heavy objects

[jade tusk]

At a cost of leaving a crater in the arena.

[unkempt zodiac]

That's not really an issue though if you've properly prepared the arena.

[young abyss]

tcf on epc does a nice job against mactera

[halcyon zealot]

Kill the bugs jimmy

[shut oracle]

depends, on low gravity u can snipe with c4 😂

[keen viper]

Hi i just started this game few days ago and i finished leveling a char to lv25, i saw the Deep dive was unlocked, can i just start trying it or is there something i have to know first? cuz i saw there werent many rooms and i was afraid of ruinning it for others so i havent tried it yet

cuz many rooms have titles like lv50+ at least etc xD

[shut oracle]

if ur used to haz 3 then normal deep dive should be no problem

that lvl50+ rooms make no sense for me cause i seen high rank players playing bad and finished edd with <50 players np

[hoary cove]

Ppl that say lvl whatever + aren’t confident in their own skill

And player lvl has nothing to do with skill anyways

[shut oracle]

exactly i run edd/haz5 since like lvl30 and seen lvl300+ going down every few minutes, not that i blame people for playing bad but writing a lvl requirement makes no sense

[manic pivot]

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[elfin bane]

r u is have epik seizure

[unkempt zodiac]

I hope I'll get at least the first two stages of the EDD done.

[random rampart]

no, mc is just having his daily coob puff

want some?

[elfin bane]

im gud

[jolly hazel]

id say level still definetly correlates to skill, disregarding level editors

from personal experience

it still definetly the no promo dwarfs who cause the most problems

but yeah anyone asking for level+ is a shitter looking to be carried

[lunar helm]

LEVEL 500 MINUMUM OR KICK

idiots

To me it's way worse to not communicate than to be low level

[random rampart]

no nukes no driller no scout no leaf lover no rocknstoning

[lunar helm]

I've had great unpromoted dwarf teammates who work together

[lunar helm]

no having fun or kick

[shut oracle]

no communication sucks, had idiots calling droppod before fighting omen

still tried it but omen with constant swarm is tough

[jade tusk]

I love people who frame 1 the button the exact moment you can call the drop pod

[jolly hazel]

had a level 100+ scout do that and not understand why I was pissed

[jolly hazel]

same but on average I have more problems with newer players lol

then again I've had a level 1k+ triple legendary duo say that they were new to the game

[shut oracle]

save editor

[jolly hazel]

ya ik lol

also had another 2k level scout who got pissed when I asked for the first flare of the normal dd and left after downing 3 times

[lunar helm]

lmao

that's the opposite of what I see, I see unpromoted dwarfs saying "new save file" and 0 downs on haz 5

[jolly hazel]

idk why someone would reset

not like you need to re-roll

[wraith shard]

Because it's fun to unlock stuff and have stuff to do

[unkempt zodiac]

It's called smurfing.

[jolly hazel]

its not a pvp game

[unkempt zodiac]

Well, it's DRG, leaf lovering would be more accurate.

[jolly hazel]

no reason to smurf

[wraith shard]

What does that have to do with leaf lovering? lol

[jolly hazel]

I'm at like 250 hrs and still don't have like 1/4 of cosmetics

since bp stuff too

will be stuff to unlock in a month lol

[wraith shard]

I have some friends that made a new save after having everything unlocked. They are having a blast again

You have to work with what you get, not with what you know for sure and like

[jolly hazel]

thats a long time to stick to a co op game

impressive

[jade tusk]

If the game is really fun and has a really good gameplay loop. Won't be surprise in the hours put in

[jolly hazel]

yeah drg is the first game in a long time that made me excited to open it

besides elden ring lol

so I dont doubt it, but I think once I hit the end of progression my zoomer brain will seek different dopamine sources

[jade tusk]

I came from Warframe and DRG loop is just perfect and 10 times better compare to Warframe's loop

[solar musk]

Me after unlocking all overclocks

Doing haz five as bronze promoted scout and seeing if the host bans me on sight

[jade tusk]

As long as your ability is scout is good enough. Most Haz 5 hosts are generally chill.

[jolly hazel]

ya even in edd I don't care unless they seem rude

[trim elk]

hey folks, i got around 120 hours experience but i have yet to do a deep dive. i dont rly have a dedicated crew to party with so i was wondering if theres anything i should know if i wanted to play deep dives with randoms?

like if theres any specific etiquette or mechanics i should know beforehand

[jade tusk]

All the normal DRG etiquette still applies

Your current Health, Primary, Secondary ammo reserves, Nitra, Gold, and Minerals* are all carried overed between the stages

Bosco's revive, blue perk charges, Sentry ammo, and travel tools will be filled to full on the next stage

*There's no naturally spawning minerals. Minerals are earned from killing Hoarders if they spawned into the DD or EDD seed

DD and EDD are the same exact cave every single time. Only difference between runs is what sort of enemies will there to greet you

[trim elk]

all good to know, ty!

[jade tusk]

If this is your first time taking a Deep dive into well....Deep Dives. Make sure you're at least competent in Hazard 3. The harder version known as Elite Deep Dives require competent in Hazard 5 conditions

and EDD are locked behind your first DD completion

[trim elk]

i can just about keep up on haz 4, i think i should be fine

[jade tusk]

You'll be fine for DD runs

[trim elk]

should i be going for anything other than just doing the objectives?

[jolly hazel]

nitra

grab all the nitra you can and then leave

more ammo you save the better

[jade tusk]

Mine every single unit of Nitra

Don't leave any Nitra behind

[jolly hazel]

ignore gold unless you are confident in your ability to breeze through it

[jade tusk]

I had EDD runs died because of being at 79.X Nitra because the scout was little lazy playing Minecraft

[trim elk]

do the objectives, get all the nitra, and get out, got it

[jade tusk]

Leave no dwarfs and Dotty beind*

[trim elk]

of course, always

[jade tusk]

*Within reason. Any KIA dwarfs will be revived through the power of Blackout and friendship for the next stage

As much as pulling an epic save is a good story

Hoxxes has claimed enough heroes...We don't need more dead heroes

[jolly hazel]

so at the end of the mission

do not go back to revive a dwarf if will compromise the mission

you succeed the stage/deep dive if at least 1 gets in the pod

[jade tusk]

If you're gonna pull that Hero BS. Make sure there's 1 dwarf in the pod behind you as you leave

[trim elk]

you got it boss

[stuck tapir]

Whats your time zone @trim elk

[trim elk]

eastern america

[stuck tapir]

Nice, I'm central. Do you play in the evenings/night often?

[trim elk]

semi-often, yea

[jolly hazel]

if you fail a deep dive due to unnecessary heroism, you will be immediately fined 5000 units of bismor and restricted to hazard 1 for 10 missions

[stuck tapir]

Haha oh man I did the 120 seconds on pipe on hazard 1 and wow were the enemies slow 🤪🤣

[blissful magnet]

I'm chilling in an elite deep dive lobby if anyone wants to join me

I'm in pod 9

[river pawn]

to the 3 bronzes i just barely did the EDD with: you guys are awesome

[wet socket]

Since this question is part of Deep Dives. I was wondering if achievements that require you to beat missions in Hazard 4 & 5 certain number of times from start to finish count in this mode?

[old widget]

That's a good question. Might ask in #wiki-related-chatroom for clarification. The data miner / game analysis folks in there are more likely to have info on those sorts of details.

[violet warren]

Wait, so traversal and support tools refill to full after each deep dive stage?

I thought I saw weird things with ammo, that must explain it

[manic pivot]

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[old widget]

Just support tools IIRC. I don’t think plats/zips/drill ammo refills between stages, but flares/turret ammo/C4/shields do.

[ancient arrow]

Go home mission Co trol you're drunk

[vernal willow]

to whoever was complaining about events

I am in a solo haz 5

with korlack

machine event

and hack event

send help

[jade tusk]

Time for the guess of what's coming up!

[balmy skiff]

what is the edd this week?

[jolly hazel]

pinned messages

[balmy skiff]

oh not bad this week

[jolly hazel]

3 PE in a row with only positive modifiers and morkite secondaries

[dry wraith]

Mactera Plague + Elite Threat

On that note was there ever two hazard modifiers on the same dd/edd stage?

[shut oracle]

swarmageddon+lethal enemies

had point extraction with shield disrupt and swarmageddon in that shitty mushroom and goo biome yesterday

only haz4 but felt harder than any haz5 ive done

[solar hatch]

Any tips for this week edd that about to end in 3 hrs?

[topaz prairie]

The clock is ticking.

[sly kettle]

One more hour, then its go time!

[manic pivot]

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[round mountain]

I cant wait for 3 drilldozers this EDD

[leaden cypress]

that can't happen unfortunately

[north urchin]

1 more min till reset.

[topaz prairie]

30 seconds

5

[manic pivot]

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[north urchin]

Let's roll!

[topaz prairie]

im ready

[wraith shard]

[sly kettle]

Good luck, everyone.

[quiet mortar]

DEEP DIVE
Region: Dense Biozone | Code Name: Dry Foot
Stage 1: 225 Morkite + 2 Eggs | No Mutators
Stage 2: 2 M.U.L.E.s + 150 Morkite | Cave Leech Cluster
Stage 3: ⛽ Refine Liquid Morkite + 2 Eggs | Low Oxygen

ELITE: DEEP DIVE
Region: Radioactive Exclusion Zone | Code Name: Rotten Dream
Stage 1: 10 Aquarq + Dreadnought Classic | Exploder Infestation
Stage 2: 3 M.U.L.E.s + 2 Eggs | Low Gravity Elite Threat
Stage 3: 7 Aquarq + 150 Morkite | Parasites

[north urchin]

Now why did I suspect a dreadnought? 🤔

[hardy nacelle]

because there's always a fuckin' dreadnought

and it's on PE too, my favorite

[wraith shard]

[unkempt saffron]

10 aquarq and exploder infestation? Truly a dream come true

[round mountain]

The elite stage 2 EDD was tough, but otherwise pleasant EDD (Maybe im biased because I love aquarq)

[tulip idol]

aquarqs are fast and easy

[topaz prairie]

refinery low o2 + eggs on last stage of regular deep dive

[tulip idol]

and low gravity just balances all the danger on stage 2 it seems

so there's no elite in this deep dive

[round mountain]

Well.. not quite, the low grav makes you an easy targer, for the elite macteras

otherwise, yeah.

[tulip idol]

more like gives insane aerial protection against them

depends on pool but ground is always main threat

[round mountain]

Well, you'll see once you play this EDD. Had a bit trouble with them.

Unless you got an engi on your team maybe

[leaden cypress]

ah yes

an even easier EDD

[jolly hazel]

ayy 2 aquaqrq

as long as there's no elite bulk, looks easy

[wraith shard]

Oh nice. Got an Elite Bulk back on my very first EDD attempt (I had no idea how fast they were lol).
Seeing this gives me nostalgia
This week could be fun

[jade tusk]

Nothing to bad from the EDD. Now to wait for the Nitra report

[leaden cypress]

700 nitra at the end of EDD stage 2

😳

[heavy crest]

DD has too many nitra.

Which is great

Better to have a driller on the dd stage 3.

[unkempt saffron]

Time to spam ifgs

[rigid mango]

what the hack is the deep dive last mission, whhy its that odd

the normal deep dive

[bronze verge]

Low oxygen refining 😫

[rigid mango]

• shitty placment of one extractos

its in a pocket. that is open only due to the mine head dropping there

but from the refinery to there its like a minuet

[digital chasm]

not another low o2 refinery

at least its not on the EDD

[wraith shard]

Wow this week's EDD was really easy

well

we all co-operated pretty well too

[crimson tinsel]

I got unfortunate and got a team full of guys who ran off and started everything without communicating

[kindred wraith]

Oof

That's never fun

[crimson tinsel]

Seriously. Zero fun was had. For the second stage, they all ran into the big Drop Pod cave and split up, leading to them getting overwhelmed immediately.

[spring rapids]

Not very rock and stone of them

[digital chasm]

must have been leaf lovers

[full geyser]

How long until next DD?

[hallow ice]

yeah this happened to me, luckily iron will clutched the game, we hadnt even repaired a single MULE and all the bugs start picking us off one by one

honestly i found stage 1 was the worst

you can get swarms in the middle of a dreadnought fight

and the exploder bugs on top of that

[full geyser]

Oh there is a new dd ?

[restive trout]

Stage 3 of the Deep Dive. The Drop Pod is inside the wall.

Was I just unlucky?

[spring rapids]

Yep every Thursday

[hallow ice]

unlucky

[full geyser]

Risk of rain 2 be wildin

[hallow ice]

my drop pod dropped in normally

[restive trout]

Thank god I was one of the two classes that could do it.

[full geyser]

I missed the regular dd and the core hunt this week

[restive trout]

Engi. I sealed the entrance behind me.

[full geyser]

[hallow ice]

the dreadnought room in stage 1 has a butt load of nitra

honestly just kill it first, it will save you so much trouble

[scenic finch]

Oh ugh

Two pe

And mules

Thats rough

[tulip idol]

wdym that's fast and easy

you prefer 2 escorts like a day before?

[scenic finch]

Lowkey kinda

[tulip idol]

that took hour lol

and it was smooth run at the same time

[scenic finch]

Pe is fine since I normally play scout on edd to get it over with

But salvage as scout gets a bit

Cramped

[tulip idol]

scout doesn't really make impact

[jade tusk]

PE is a mode I like to see early in a EDD run and never near the end

[scenic finch]

Hopefully theres nitra

[tulip idol]

scared of bugs?

[jade tusk]

Especially if it starts off with a brutal modifier like Low O2

[scenic finch]

Yes

I am scared of bugs

They have scary mouthes

[tulip idol]

just 360 them

right in the mouthes

[scenic finch]

I find pe to be kinda annoying

Ill probably do this solo anyway so ill have bosco

Yeah nvm pe isnt bad

[tulip idol]

with superthrow, driller, zip sliding and speedclimbing and zoomy scout it's too ez

just give me host side and it's done

[scenic finch]

The classic dread is probably my favorite dread

So that is fine

Exploders are fine

[tulip idol]

idk what's with all those people dying to dreads

they have so many warnings

[scenic finch]

Yeah ik, just walk away when it looks like its doing something

[tulip idol]

yesterday I was watching people dying from hiveguard's fireballs

how did they not hear it lol

[scenic finch]

Zero sensory imputs detected

[jade tusk]

Hiveguard and twins I never have any real issues fighting against

[scenic finch]

Twins just take a awhile

I like them least

[jade tusk]

Only time twins really gets me is a back fireball from the range twin if I'm focused on something else like the Melee twin eating my legs off!

[tulip idol]

I mean, arbalest may go rampage at ya randomly but it's all you can expect

[scenic finch]

Happens

[tulip idol]

zipline is such a cheese against twins

arbalest never hits his fireballs and even if he does, armor rig resist covers dmg just fine

[jade tusk]

My biggest gripe is people not knowing to keep their health bars as close to each other as possible

[scenic finch]

Thus is why i play solo unless its the normal dd

[tulip idol]

it's usually not because someone doesn't know about that mechanic

that's because there is no dmg in the team besides you lol

I'm doing max dmg as driller one of the twins and team is never able to repeat my dmg to another one

how hard is to outdamage driller

cmon

[scenic finch]

One of the things that took me away from coop edd was a dude who kept yelling at us because we didnt “grab the gold I need money”

[tulip idol]

depends what gold

[scenic finch]

Just random gold on the walls mid-dive

[tulip idol]

what was he?

[scenic finch]

Engie

[tulip idol]

he could parkour eeeeaasillly to that wall himself

[scenic finch]

I think he was yelling at us not mining any gold

[jade tusk]

As much as it goes against the Dwarf tradition. Mining Gold is a waste of time. DD and EDD have pretty good base payouts

[tulip idol]

you need that so bad - you mine it

[scenic finch]

We kicked him next stage though

[old widget]

or maybe save the extra minutes you're going to use mining it and spend them on a random gold rush mission afterward instead

[scenic finch]

Had a nice edd rest of the time

Got scc though

Maybe not that nice

[tulip idol]

I often mine gold and skip not much at all, I'm right at balance where mining gold is easy and more like gift and not mining hard gold is acutally profitable

so there's 2 sorts of gold for me

[jade tusk]

If there's nothing going on or prepping something. I'll mine a near by gold vein, but most of time. Only thing that gets mined on sight is Nitra

[scenic finch]

Ill power attack some gold if its next to where im running

[tulip idol]

ye pa gold on the ground is ez

why not

[scenic finch]

Dorf instinct kicks in

See shiny must hit with pickaxe

[jade tusk]

Pot of gold buff beer. Mine all the gold on sight!. Else ignore gold

[jolly hazel]

bit late but I like PE because the cave is guaranteed to have an open space to kite easily

[jolly hazel]

based

[tulip idol]

it's guaranteed to have nice dark ceiling for acid spitters for you to die easily

[jolly hazel]

as gunner in edd (usually) im always scanning ceiling

I usually don't have a problem with spitters anymore somehow

[worldly tulip]

Thoughts on Deep Dives this week?

[bronze verge]

Fekkin low oxygen refining

[thorn patio]

Stage 2 edd was a huge oof

2 elite bulks

Fml

At least low gravity counters it somewhat

Elite macteras are painful

[scenic finch]

Isnt it haz 3.5?

Not bad

Just shoot em’

[thorn patio]

Edd? That's haz 5 territory

You're thinking of the regular dd

[iron mica]

It wes hard for me too

[buoyant scroll]

edd was really easy on solo engi

took executioner and rj250 compound

was kind of the perfect storm for this one, because of the low gravity elite warning on stage 2 and the point extractions

[thorn patio]

I GOT THE HOVERCLOCK

FUCK YES

[scenic finch]

Ah i thought you were the person complaining about lo2

Nvm

[thorn patio]

I'm already in love with special powder. Now with hoverclock on top of that its time to do some dumb shit

This is scout gaming

[jolly hazel]

you will be scraped off the floor

[unique ruin]

This will be the hardest EDD ever for me

😫 I hate the wall eyes

[soft token]

wack no dreadnought dive this week

[jolly hazel]

its on the edd

as a secondary

[tiny crow]

I love low oxygen. Glad it’s on the refining DD this week!

It brings together some incredible teamwork

[round mountain]

Yeah, once you get a few supply drops around, it becomes much easier.

Like one along each pipeline

So you can just stick around while you wait to repair

[barren girder]

i hope i get shotgun jump from the dd or elite

[bronze verge]

Oh right, I forgot that the pumpjacks don't even have oxygen

[jolly hazel]

it is not in the budget

[bronze verge]

Channeling the Cheese Shop sketch, "It's the third most abundant element in the universe!"

[vernal willow]

Woo, EDD done in 38 minutes

[ashen veldt]

Nice

[tawny edge]

Don't know about anyone else but finding this EDD a bit absurd, the first and second stage seemingly in a constant swarm, and haven't even reached the third stage

[jade tusk]

Point Extract that's your motivator to pick up the space

With it comes to Mini mules in general. Iirc if you dig up one of legs or approach the Mini mule itself it triggers a mini swarm

So for the 2nd stage you must have kept hitting the mini swarm triggers

And some dwarf kicking the eggs as well triggering a main and mini swarm at once

[tawny edge]

Whats the engi recommendation for this edd, mainly don't know what secondary to run

Fat boy for the sheer amount of swarms?

[jade tusk]

REZ nd Fat boy don't pair well together

The bugs have natural Rad damage resistance making Fat boy's general area denial not as effective

[tawny edge]

Would spinning death be ideal then?

[jade tusk]

Yeah

[leaden cypress]

anything works really

[tawny edge]

Teams seem to be struggling more than i am, maybe solo is the way to go

[jade tusk]

Sometimes you get those that are doing their first EDD

Seriously EDD should be locked behind at least X number of successful Haz 5 missions or something

[reef bison]

This weeks EDD is easy?

[sinful oyster]

What's your executioner build? Have been stuck on Explo rounds

[vernal willow]

It's pretty tame compared to some

cleared with randoms first try in a good time

[buoyant scroll]

11112
(I use the fire perk on the PGL which is why I take electro chemical rounds, also works with inferno BC)
funny enough, I haven't really used explosive chemical rounds at all

[vernal willow]

double blue stone missions means speed is vital though

[reef bison]

Gonna attempt it now

[buoyant scroll]

this

[reef bison]

I'll go driller to speed things up

[buoyant scroll]

are you going solo?

[reef bison]

I'm trying to find a game but looks like I'll have to try it solo

[buoyant scroll]

best of luck

[prime egret]

bruh how is this week's EDD lineup worse than last week's?

[reef bison]

Just did first stage but was pretty difficult

[soft token]

literally better because no low oxygen

i think you might just be bad

[reef bison]

2nd stage done barely lol

First attempt at solo EDD and I did it

Very pleased

I would post files but I do not have permission

[hoary cove]

congrats

[dusty meadow]

Finished a little over 37 minutes about an hour past edd reset. for elites, just have one person spec for high value target damage.

[reef bison]

I did mine solo would have been easier with some support though

[dusty meadow]

oh, discord bookmark, gg me

[reef bison]

First two missions insanely difficult but last one was stupidly easy

For me anyway

And I used cryo driller

[jade tusk]

Beaten the EDD holy hell. The pod landed in some fuck off location and had to dig to it without a driller

By the will of Karl himself I never gotten swarmed during the dig as the timer tick down. 1:15, 1:00, :45 seconds left. It was a close damn call

[shrewd echo]

EDD seems chill this week

other then stage 2

[jade tusk]

Lots of Nitra around. Ended stage 1 with 300 Nitra in reserve

Stage 2 has lots of Spit ballers and a Bet-C

Bet-C can be avoid if you hug the right wall

Though if you feel up to it. You can give yourself a nice boost in firepower

Stage 3 has a Breeder. So freeze it fast or you're gonna have lots of babies flying around

[shrewd echo]

we got fucking destroyed on stage 1

made it scraping