deep-dive-discussion

[knotty rampart]

it's a lot harder, haz 4.5, 5, and 5.5

anyway, if you want to solo them, practice on higher haz solo missions, 4 - 5, and the normal dd will feel easy

the edd will always be fairly challenging

[odd rover]

EDD is pretty easy this time around, @jovial pebble my group had a lot of AoE and I was running cryo grenades to nuke the mactera.

Run an autocannon on your gunner if necessary.

[sturdy field]

yeah our driller friend was being all self absorbed on stage 2 edd and doing his own thing. Scout could keep up with him but engi and I had to just sit in one room for safety

[jovial pebble]

is your team a circle of friends with voice communication? my team was randoms who were reasonably good given they lasted as long as they did but i dont think our team was anything special compared to a team of experts who play regularly together

[odd rover]

Randoms

[jovial pebble]

must have been really lucky

[odd rover]

Driller and I were inexperienced, gunner and engi were pretty high level.

[jovial pebble]

i think what ruined us on the stage 3 was the gunner going down instantly and the drill dozer leaving him behind

[odd rover]

Ah, yeah, that'll do it. Gotta be on top of revives if somebody goes down.

[jovial pebble]

could not rev him due to the swarm eventually i was last man which lasted for a few mins

i can do pretty well but on my own on an escort with 4 man swarms hell no

was only a matter of time

[odd rover]

Usually your scout and gunner are the best players for revives.

[jovial pebble]

gunner hands down

scouts good but gunner straight gets i frames

which is why him getting smashed when he did was so crippling

[odd rover]

True, but if your gunner is down you need those cryo grenades.

[jovial pebble]

yeah gunner is mvp but scout can help too

i use the cyro cannon when i rev

or dig under them

whats a tunnel fort btw?

i was told to make one at some point and could not really picture what to do

[odd rover]

Bunker?

Dig a really long tunnel to defend in.

[jovial pebble]

oh lol

i remember i hollowed out a wall

[odd rover]

probably C4 the end so that you have space to move around, and have plans to dig out of it if you get cornered by a bulk or an oppressor.

[jovial pebble]

oppressor is easy with freeze

[odd rover]

Bunkers aren't super meta, though, they're very constrictive.

[jovial pebble]

but bulk is bad news bears

cryo does fuck all on a bulk

would not be surprised if they were completely immune

[odd rover]

You can freeze them, I think you need higher freezing power or something to freeze them.

I've seen drillers do it, though. Helps if scout uses a cryo nade to speed things along, but they can solo freeze.

[jovial pebble]

must be a herculean amount

[odd rover]

Takes like 20 seconds for the cryo driller I have in mind.

[jovial pebble]

that would be at least a third of your overall ammo

in other words a highly impractical use of cyro ammo

[plush dew]

doesnt take that long. you also dont wanna freeze bulks unless you need to prevent the explosion for some reason (near an events or something for example)

[fresh escarp]

I had one explode ON TOP OF an OMEN. WHILE IT WAS ACTIVE. Some numbskull decided to mow down the hp of it without telling us so it detoed and it killed two of us, including myself.

[plush dew]

it takes about 7 seconds without any freeze power upgrades to freeze a bulk and roughly 50 ammo.

[odd rover]

Does that scale?

[plush dew]

scale what

[odd rover]

This was a quad on Haz 4.

[plush dew]

freezing themps arent haz related

[odd rover]

Interesting.

It felt like it took a fairly long time, though, w/out cryo grenades anyway.

[plush dew]

thats assuming that you also use sticky ice aswell

ie, you hit the floor a little bit to add extra freezing themp

[visual lake]

@jovial pebble uhm it takes 1s for a scout to toss 2 cryo nades which insta freezes then the engy can basically 1 shot it with hyper

usually you want to freeze when its ontop of uplink or doretta

[plush dew]

hyperpropellant does not deal more damage to frozen, keep that it mind. its damage typing is disintegrate, which is unaffected by freeze.

[visual lake]

did that change?

[plush dew]

thats been since hyper prop got buffed

[visual lake]

pretty sure hyper got a buff from freeze

[plush dew]

it doesnt

only before the roughneck patch changes.

but noone ran hyper prop before that

[visual lake]

im 99% sure it stacks cus you can 1 shot frozen oppressors

with hyper

[plush dew]

thats because you can 1shot them regardless then

[visual lake]

uhm what ...

[plush dew]

try it out on a dread. when its frozen, HP will do the same damage and not 1shot it during health phase.

it's hard to find anything more specific about it. i know for a fact that it doesnt add damage to hits on a frozen dread, but maybe thats a unique peroperty on dreads specifically then?

[plush dew]

can you provide a clip or something where hyper prop is used on a frozen haz 5 bulk? maybe it is different for non dreads then

<#wiki-related-chatroom message> thats a specific mention of disintegrate not being affected by any multi/resistance. ill ask for more specifics, maybe he has an idea

[smoky obsidian]

Are we in the same world. I tried out hyperpropelant a few times and it barely does 60% of a praetorian health in damage

[wet shale]

even when hitting their fleshy booty ?

[smoky obsidian]

Yep

Perhaps I need to change the weapon perks somehow, I was really disappointed by that OC

As I really struggle with swarms as engi, and losing the AoE for swarms was so not worth it

[wet shale]

karl.gg claims it deals 604 dmg per shot with max dmg mods

[plush dew]

there's only really one build for hyper prop, more ammo, armor break (because incendiary would reduce damage) homebrew and spiky

you could play without homebrew but the weapon at that point isnt about hitting breakpoints so you just want more average damage.

and aoe or stun doesnt help the weapon. most things are either dead or things that arent are stun immune

[smoky obsidian]

I will try it then, I had that build but stun

In any case, I don't think it will 1 shot pratorians

[plush dew]

homebrew is 20% more damage on average. it wont 1shot praets even on a highroll i think, atlest on h5. in h5 1 player it maybe could, but in 4p it definetly wont.

[wet shale]

if you want one shots you're gonna need to play breach cutter

[smoky obsidian]

But if that's the case then why hyper. You lose all aoe by going hyper

[wet shale]

Breach cutter needs you to be quite close to a pretorian that is on the same level as you.
Hyper is more flexible as it allows you to shoot anything at any distance regardless of alignment

[smoky obsidian]

Good point, but how do you deal with swarms as an engine without the secondary? I struggle with it a lot, and it's sad cause I love engie

[wet shale]

well, you have a team, and turrets

(and plasma bursters if you're feeling spicy)

[smoky obsidian]

I have to try, I always feel like shit when I am the first to die when surrounded by a swarm

[wraith shard]

Mines, turrets, and aoe secondary. Your secondary shouldn’t be “oh I don’t want to use that for swarms” it’s still a gun. Use repellent to push swarms toward your zone of control. Engi is a swarm killing machine if you prep.

Repellent is probably one of your best tools to get bugs moving toward your kill zone. It’s not an absolute law to them following it, but it’s great for nudging them into mines and funneling grunts.

[visual lake]

@plush dew dreads are an anomaly in that it depends on when they get frozen i think. If its during the armor stage vs during squishy stage.

[plush dew]

i was specifically refering to health*

i tried it out a few times, and it never worked. i asked elyth about it, so ill wait for an answer

[visual lake]

1 more thing are you using IC ?

cus if so that might be blocking it

with the thermal shock

although i have no clue why you would use IC on hyper

@smoky obsidian i run EM turret on stubby and hyper PGL for my generic engy build

EM turret provides quick AOE and stun

its not the most popular build for sure but its what works for me generally

main issue is stopping teammates from standing next to it really

the only thing the build is really weak against is macta

but turrets can sort them out eventually

[smoky obsidian]

@wraith shard I was comenting about when pgl has hyperpropelant, and thus no aoe for swarms. I have to keep practicing

[visual lake]

yeah EM turret AOE is huge so i prefer that more for AOE work

cus it has AOE + fear+ slow

[wraith shard]

I’m actually not convinced that’s an optimal OC tbh. I know it’s popular (and I don’t have it) but the effect seems too large a trade off for most missions.

Disclaimer: unpopular opinion.

[marble plinth]

Do an elite deep dive, it'll be easy they said, it'll be stress relief.

But we made it thro.

[odd rover]

Nice, whole thing?

[marble plinth]

Yes.

At stage 3 entire team died, but someone had iron will and instant revive left so he used the iron will, instant revived scout and threw a shield on the driller and revived him

Then fell gloriously, just to be revived by the driller in return.

After that it was a cake walk again.

First time the driller in the team didnt give me anxiety.

[zenith warren]

optimal is whatever works to make the OC best, few OCs are actually bad

[wraith shard]

I don’t think it’s bad, I just don’t think it’s optimal.

[untold creek]

EM turret? yeah, i have no idea on those, id need to play engie more

the whip effects are really nice though

id imagine it would enable builds that forsake that aoe on secondary, at least

and even if that isnt exactly optimal, perhaps for that playstyle it is

[zenith warren]

I usually find something that works and I don't deviate much from there

[odd rover]

Very nice.

[livid sentinel]

Took 3 tries to get this elite deep dive done with randoms. Last team was 2 gunners, engi, and driller, gunner shields really came in handy

[urban sail]

the gunner stack has never failed my group on return trips

[pastel wasp]

A lot of scouts power is in random maps where you have less idea what to expect, definitely the most dropable class for repeated EDDs

[zenith warren]

honestly scout's viability would go massively up if cave gen was less friendly and had more just dead areas with nothing in them

but that's not terribly fun

[odd rover]

Personally, I wouldn't mind if caves were just a bit bigger

get some extra mats if you explore the extra passages.

[strange copper]

so i failed the last part of the deep dive, if i go back to do it again will i still get some overclocks for the first two stages?

[zenith warren]

no, you already have those

otherwise you could get all your OCs in a few days if you grinded it like a madman

especially since stage 2 is always a weapon OC

[strange copper]

oh right, thats a very good point

is there much of a reason to do the whole deep dive again apart from getting that last overclock?

[zenith warren]

it's mostly that

thing is, OCs are the only timegate in the game

not getting it now means you'll have to get it later

[strange copper]

true

[zenith warren]

but since the final one is always cosmetic...

it's really your call

since it's your time and your effort going in

[strange copper]

deep dives are quite fun so i might aswell do it if i find time for it

[zenith warren]

yeah, and the gen will be exactly the same

[strange copper]

i guess this time i have learnt my lesson, never underestimate a bulk detonator

[zenith warren]

everyone has to eventually learn that lesson

it's why I mash X in the pod at greenbeards until they get in

because eventually, a bulk is gonna spawn on the pod.

and then they aren't getting in.

[strange copper]

i was rushing to the drop pod and i thought that i could get there before the bulk detonator catches up, boy was i wrong

[echo edge]

The 3rd stage reward is always a cosmetic so it s your call if it's worth doing all over again for it or not

[zenith warren]

nope, kite them with electricity or just take them down

[strange copper]

yea, cosmetics arent really big for me at the moment

[strange copper]

actually i dont think i have any electric type weapon overclocks. probably would be useful

i think the only time i have used electricity was with bosco

[zenith warren]

my dd/edd is smg/bc on engi

both have electricty with my build

I also have refire for the smg so it's a one hand minigun

[stable ingot]

Yo I was doing a deep dive and at the last part the host of the squad killed me and kicked me, not letting me finish the dive, is that common to happen lmao, I'd assume he was playing with his friends and wanted to troll, dunno of that usually happens n I should make my own squad

[modest hollow]

Never had that happen to me mate.. just a toxic player is my guess

[stable ingot]

aight, just my luck xD

[modest hollow]

They are pretty rare in this game yea ;)

[civic orbit]

Just unlocked the breach cutter and i wanted how y'all think it compares with the default nade launcher. I heard they are both good but I'm rather new so i do not have any overclocks yet

[random rampart]

its an area cleaner alright

tell you what

lets jump in a pod for you to test and watch lmao

[civic orbit]

I appreciate the offer but I just got off, don't have time for another mission

thanks tho I'll be sure to try it out

[random rampart]

fair

[civic orbit]

they weren't kidding about this game having a great community

[spring bloom]

Breach cutter is fantastic for armor-removal, but falls a bit behind the GL in terms of swarm-clearing. I suggest using triple split line to make it more forgiving, and Born Ready to mitigate the reload

[tender ermine]

Its amazing against BET-C tho.

[spring bloom]

I personally prefer the GL for general use

[civic orbit]

I use the made launched in my more defense oriented engie build but for my more mobile offensive one im thinking breach for melting bigger bugs

My shotgun should have little guys covered

[tender ermine]

Breach cutter is alright in offensive, but it shines in area denial

Small tunnel? A good placement will go through the whole tunnel and just slice apart everything

Larger areas? Its okay, your placement relative to the enemies is more important

[civic orbit]

I heard that If it passes through enemies and hits their weak spot it does massive damage

[tender ermine]

But its amazing in the swamp area, those poison clouds mushrooms? Shoot one with extended lines and it will remove them in an instant

And yes it does good damage and it always guarantees a weak spot hit, because it "bends" or "phases" through the enemies

Hell, it will go around objects

Well.... "around"

[wet shale]

I think the word you're looking for is "through"

[civic orbit]

You seem to be an experienced engie so I have another question. We were looking at the stubby vs the shotgun and I wanted to know if the shotgun is objectively better or if the stubby is a worthy competitor. It seems the shotty blows the SMG out of the water in terms of damage

[tender ermine]

Are we talking in sustain or burst?

Shotgun is great for burst damage

[civic orbit]

If I ran stubby I would want full auto

[tender ermine]

SMG for longer fights

[wet shale]

it does
but the stubby can reliably apply shock, which is very useful against Detonators for example

[tender ermine]

And the SMG has a few beneficial modifications which allow it to do more damage than its base form

You can make it apply shock more often. Shock slows down enemies and will somewhat make detonators more meh. You can get a modification so that when you are shooting at an enemy that is shocked, you do more damage. ETC.

And the smg can apply an AOE type of damage

[civic orbit]

Yeah from what I know the mods are the savior of the stubby

[spring bloom]

22222 build stubby is so good

[tender ermine]

Nah, what you are thinkin, are overclocks

[spring bloom]

Very anmo efficient

Good cc

[tender ermine]

Just the base mods for smg allows those*

[civic orbit]

I have been digging the shotgun. My friend plays gunner and I play engineer . And no I meant mods, I don’t even have a promoted character yet

[spring bloom]

Try 22222 on stubby

[tender ermine]

Stubby with 22222, is a good and tried

[civic orbit]

When I get the stubby I will

Thanks for the suggestion. I take it y’all are both fellow engie mains?

[tender ermine]

But the biggest benefit of the SMG compared to the shotgun, is the range

[spring bloom]

Also for the shotty use Miner Adjustments, it feels great

[tender ermine]

Super giant caves with ceiling crawlers?

Shotgun wont do s###

[civic orbit]

Idk people say that miner adjustments doesnt do much

[tender ermine]

Trying to help someone that is further away? Nada.

[wet shale]

magnetic pellet alignment can somewhat compensate for shotty's lack of range

[spring bloom]

Stubby also has great stunning ability with the chain lightning

Stop a swarm in their tracks

[tender ermine]

@wet shale Yes, but there are more beneficial mods for the shotty

More damage on the shotty or a better full auto

You can make the shotty more well rounded, but you can strengthen its strong points

And sometimes in higher difficulties, strengthening those strongpoints allow you to carry through some hard times

[civic orbit]

What do you do in terms of turrets? On defense I run 2 defender system gemeni turrets with armor breaking rounds as well as extended ammo bags and ammo capacity.

[tender ermine]

@civic orbit One good advice I can give you for mactera plagues is, get the grenade launcher, make it max AOE in size, make its damage 50% explosive and 50% flame and make it have proximity on it. It becomes a "Flak cannon" for flying enemies

[wet shale]

I run 1211 turrets
quick deploy is very desirable for gemini

[civic orbit]

Noted

[tender ermine]

Quick deploy is mandatory in my opinion

8 seconds to get 2 turrets?

[civic orbit]

Wait I’m stupid I got my build wrong I was in the wrong slot

[tender ermine]

Oh god

[civic orbit]

My test slot

I run 1211

Quick deploy is good

[tender ermine]

But it depends. If you know you are going in big caves, hawkey system and a singe turret (max range) can be something desirable

[civic orbit]

That’s on my second build that I’m making

[tender ermine]

But if you know you are going to lockdown an area, gemini.

[spring bloom]

I like Hawkeye Gemini. I always wind up with most kills using that effectively

[zenith warren]

no, what

stubby does far more dps with em refire, don't build for shock

[wet shale]

I tried hawkeye + turret whip for an extra layer of micro management

[zenith warren]

shock is pointless

the damage doesn't matter when you can do 4 points more per bullet plus weakpoint damage

[tender ermine]

That requires overclocks

Hes not at that point of the game

[civic orbit]

I run defender gemeni, it helps when I put them on a wall platform or back to back

[zenith warren]

the difference is only ROF and +2 electrocution damage

maybe it's not KING DPS OF KILL MOUNTAIN then, but it's still good

[spring bloom]

Its practically guaranteed stun even through armor wat

[zenith warren]

you're merely killing slower

... is stun dps

here's the best CC in the game: death

[tender ermine]

Dude, dps is covered by gunner, scout and driller + your turrets

[spring bloom]

You underestimate the value of giving yourself breathing room with a good stun

[tender ermine]

CC makes fights more manageable

[zenith warren]

I give myself breathing room by killing everything in front of me

[civic orbit]

What grenades do you guys use?

[tender ermine]

Proxy.

[civic orbit]

Is plasma burst any good?

[zenith warren]

generally whatever has most utility, so LURE

it's... fine? I don't like it as much as the other two

[spring bloom]

In situations where you cant afford to take damage, like in disruption, stun is better for keeping stuff away.

[wet shale]

it's instant damage

[tender ermine]

Wait. You are compensating your CC with lures

@zenith warren

[zenith warren]

no

I'm using platforms for that

[tender ermine]

Yes you are, thats crowd control

[zenith warren]

LUREs are to save my fool teammates.

[wet shale]

lures are slightly unreliable I'm afraid

[civic orbit]

This is one of the things that I love about this game. There doesn’t seem to be a wrong way to build stuff. Some builds are more right than others but they’re never wrong

[tender ermine]

If you would be "death is best CC" you would take the plasmas :S

[zenith warren]

well if you build stubby to proc electrocution specifically then are surprised it's not good...

well I also don't run extra width or lines on BC

[civic orbit]

I used lures to distract praetorians and oppressors back when they were scary

So like 2 missions

[zenith warren]

single BC shot makes a praetorian naked now

[wet shale]

BC is the strip cannon

[civic orbit]

Is gunner/engi a good duo?

[tender ermine]

Engi and scout

[zenith warren]

sure

[tender ermine]

Always.

[zenith warren]

engi and anything is a good combo

[spring bloom]

Plasma burster is amazing

[tender ermine]

Its a loved classic. 😄

[zenith warren]

also my CC comes from guaranteed electrocution since my BC also has that.

but that is an OC. you might not have it

[tender ermine]

And you said you don't use CC 😄

[zenith warren]

it's also more damage

[civic orbit]

My brother and I duo and he plays gunner. We find that any mobility task can be completed with zip lines and platforms. Seems like an underrated duo.

[zenith warren]

no I don't spec for it

that doesn't mean I don't have -any-

[tender ermine]

Mach, I spec for randoms

[zenith warren]

same

[tender ermine]

CC is usually what keeps others alive

[zenith warren]

and the best way to spec for randoms is to be self-sufficient

so that you can carry them all despite their best efforts to fail.

[tender ermine]

Literally this is a split between selfish and team focused

[zenith warren]

uh huh. it's selfish, now

[tender ermine]

Same as KF2

[civic orbit]

Team always.

[tender ermine]

KF2, you can spec into 2 trees, things that help you or help your team

Mix and match, sometimes full selfish or full team

Full team makes more sense on engineer

Hes the backline

[zenith warren]

he's... also the most kills in 90% of games

[civic orbit]

Shouldn’t that be gunner?

[tender ermine]

Yeah. I am still most kills on engi with a team focused build

[zenith warren]

no, because that's not the dichotomy

[tender ermine]

Difference is between 200 kills

[zenith warren]

because engineer has multiple autonomous guns firing

[wet shale]

it's because turrets get cheeky last hits and mow swarmers

[civic orbit]

Ohhh

[wet shale]

but if it were total damage output during the mission, gunner would probably top the meters

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[civic orbit]

Speaking of gunner, is the autocannon better than the minigun? My brother wanted to know.

[spring bloom]

I always go with randoms, and they're only ever a problem on egg hunts. Stop grabbing eggs so damn fast we have no nitra left

[tender ermine]

Autocannon is specific builds and situations, minigun has more uses

[zenith warren]

no, don't run AC until you're 25 minimum. it needs OCs to make it good

and without mods it's... not good at all

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[zenith warren]

whereas minigun is good out of the box

AC is far more inaccurate, its explosion damage doesn't scale hard without mods/OCs for its intended purpose, you have to reload it

[tender ermine]

I grab a minigun? I know I'll be able to do good, autocannon is really iffy

[wet shale]

ol' reliable

[tender ermine]

The secondary on the other hand has more arguments to be made

Either the revolver or the weird needle gun

[zenith warren]

the secondary either are good

but you need to build correctly for your OC, or they'll feel like junk

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[zenith warren]

it's like detonator zhukovs- they feel terrible until you remember oh hey, internal explosion damage is static and your initial damage does not matter so run max ammo.

and then it's good. really good

[tender ermine]

Ice zhukovs are also amazing. But hey. Ice is always amazing

[zenith warren]

yeah that's the other good one

[spring bloom]

Auto better for supporting teammates because it can't do friendly fire. Its also better for clearing huge swarms with its enormous magazine but it lacks single-target damage compared to the minigun

[zenith warren]

if I'm going to focus on utility, it better be good utility

[civic orbit]

Even with no overclocks? Im a little sad you can’t get that many overclocks per week

[zenith warren]

you can get 11-12, if you do the hunt and DD/EDD

[tender ermine]

You get a lot of them in the long run

[civic orbit]

To clarify, deep dives, core hunts, and machine events get you overclocks right

[zenith warren]

you have to craft them all to get 11-12 instead of 9, but by the time you've promoted a couple times resources should be a nonissue

[spring bloom]

I mean I'm sure you could overclock the autocannon into a boss killer but I use mine for mass CC

[tender ermine]

You only need a few that make you already much more stronger

[zenith warren]

no, machine events make blank cores into overclocks

[tender ermine]

And it gives you 3 choises on the overclocks/cosmetics you can make

[zenith warren]

right. based on class and type

[spring bloom]

Do the weekly core hunt

[civic orbit]

How many guaranteed overclocks are there per week roughly

[zenith warren]

one cosmetic choice, two weapon choices, randomly from that pool

11-12

[civic orbit]

Really? I thought it was 6

[zenith warren]

core hunt, DD, and EDD all give 3 each

one blank one weapon OC one cosmetic OC

then, every 5 crafts gives you a bonus OC

so you have 9, so you get a freebie, now you have 10, another freebie

if you started the week with four pips of crafting progression, you'll eke out a 12th

if you don't craft them you'll be at 9 a week until you do start smashing them down

[wet shale]

well, unless you get cosmetics out of the free ones

[civic orbit]

9 a week is not as bad as I thought

[tender ermine]

Nope.

[zenith warren]

3 of those are guaranteed to be cosmetics

3 of those are guaranteed to be weapon OCs

[civic orbit]

I wish you could always choose. How common are machine events? We have found a couple so far and are annoyed that we can’t use them

[zenith warren]

once you promote, you can always do the event

[tender ermine]

They are quite often

[zenith warren]

and they always grant xp

even on failure

so always always do them

because it's more xp than doing your secondary

[tender ermine]

If I remember correctly, they depend on the cave length and complexity? @zenith warren

[zenith warren]

maybe not if you fail? not sure there

[spring bloom]

Yes if you fail

[zenith warren]

bud I have literally no idea, since I'm not sure the devs have said and I don't know that anyone actually did a code dive to see for certain. but people -say- each thing is a 1/6 chance

[tender ermine]

Hmm.

[zenith warren]

crates, lost helmets, core events, all a seperate 1/6 chance

if you ask me? it feels like the longer the mission is the higher chance it'll spawn

but that's... pure conjecture.

[tender ermine]

Golden exploders was an 6% chance?

[zenith warren]

no

[spring bloom]

The only one you should consider avoiding is OMEN Exterminator because unless you're fully healed and resupplied it will probably wipe you

[zenith warren]

crassus are 1/26 I think

[civic orbit]

How hard are deep dives? Should we employ randoms

[zenith warren]

can you do haz 4 reliably

[tender ermine]

Deep dives are 3 stages

[wet shale]

regular is very doable if you manage haz4

[zenith warren]

they are -effectively- haz 3.5, haz 4, haz 4.5

[tender ermine]

every stage is slightly more difficult

[zenith warren]

with mutators

buuuuuuuuuuut

the thing is, you get to keep nitra.

[tender ermine]

and gold

[spring bloom]

3 stages 2 objectives each. Randos are fine mostly but dont let them rush egg collection

[zenith warren]

and whatever your ammo/hp was at, stays the same, except for sentry ammo/c4 which magically replenish because of a bug

[wet shale]

(whispers)escort missions

[tender ermine]

https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Deep_Dives

Check it

Really good info on the topic of deep dives

[civic orbit]

What goes up with hazard levels? Enemy damage?

[zenith warren]

greybeards will forget the game is actually challenging when you're first playing it and will insist that DD is no harder than a haz 3

[dim trellis]

enemies

[zenith warren]

damage, health, and aggression

and speed of spawns, I think?

[dim trellis]

so much

[tender ermine]

Elite DD's are haz 4,5/5/5,5

[dim trellis]

enemies.

[zenith warren]

haz 5 grunts will not only be super fast, they'll also move to get behind you nonstop because they are utter bastards

[tender ermine]

So I call BS on the greybeards

[zenith warren]

that's an EDD though

they're still wrong, but not -that- off

[dim trellis]

deep dive non elite is EASY

[tender ermine]

Well normal Haz 5 is easy if you know what you are doing

[dim trellis]

after like 100 hours tho heh

[zenith warren]

there's nothing to lose from doing DD except your time

also, there's no crafting materials unless a huuli hoarder shows up

the seeds for the caves are always the same

[dim trellis]

at this point I expect escort missions

[tender ermine]

Every stage, after you have gotten the reward, they stay. Only thing you lose is time

[zenith warren]

so if you fail and learned the map, you can do it again, faster

[tender ermine]

Oh and also, pack for mactera plagues, they are the most common difficulty tweak

[zenith warren]

you can also just look up the week's modifiers and missions

it's announced early on and it's the same for everyone

prepare accordingly

[civic orbit]

How bout core hunts? Are they hard?

[zenith warren]

or, like me, just have a build that works literally everywhere and you don't think

[tender ermine]

I like going blind, makes it more fun

[zenith warren]

core hunts are just do 3 missions

that's it

no difficulty requirement

[civic orbit]

Oh sweet

[dim trellis]

unpopular opinion: they buffed regular missions like promo ones

[civic orbit]

That’s the easy way out huh

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[zenith warren]

if you're not good at shooters because unlike my rapidly aging self you haven't been playing them for over 25 years, then it's a good way to still get cores

[tender ermine]

But hey, sometimes the overclock gives your build the edge to be super viable

[civic orbit]

I’m pretty decent at this game so far

[zenith warren]

yeah then don't fear it, just get acclimated

[civic orbit]

Not great, not terrible.

[tender ermine]

Then you can look at going for DD's and the weekly core hunts

[wet shale]

like the supercooler to become a scout god

[zenith warren]

most of the challenge of deep rock is a lack of knowledge, not skill

[zenith warren]

they nerfed the hell outta that

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[zenith warren]

you used it since last patch?

it's... not good.

[tender ermine]

Only good for boss hunting right?

[civic orbit]

Im sure there are a lot of people on here that could help me through deep dives

[zenith warren]

it didn't feel good even for that

[wet shale]

it's... a joke

[tender ermine]

Really?

SMH.

[wet shale]

the oc
and my comment

[dim trellis]

play like a warmup haz 5 mission

and then do a deep dive

[zenith warren]

yeah the OC went from The Meta to actual trash

[dim trellis]

😎

[tender ermine]

Welp, ill stick with my extra ammo OC then

[zenith warren]

my EDD warmup is DD

[tender ermine]

+1 @zenith warren

And my DD warmup is haz 4

[zenith warren]

I usually just roll outta bed since I'm half bedridden these days, start up the game on thursday, plow through DD

[tender ermine]

Yeah, I like to stick with the basics. Always warm up, u know?

Learned it from working out for 10 years

Either you go with warm "muscles" or you'll have more often f###ups

[civic orbit]

We’re on haz 3 for now, when we hit around 20 I plan to up that to 4

We are both level 16 atm

[tender ermine]

Yeap. A few levels make a difference

[civic orbit]

Character level

[spring bloom]

Core hunts are easy but time consuming. Pretty sure it's like 6 missions per CH assignment but you get a reward for each stage

[tender ermine]

its 4 missions?

[spring bloom]

4?

[civic orbit]

I mean all missions in this game are pretty time consuming

[zenith warren]

thought it was three but I just slam through any content thrown at me fast enough I do not actually think about it at all

[spring bloom]

Thought it was 6

[zenith warren]

breach the core is 6

[spring bloom]

Am I losing my mind

OH

[zenith warren]

but core hunt shouldn't be

[spring bloom]

Wish they were

[zenith warren]

yeah just checked, weekly core hunt is 3

[civic orbit]

Are there set core hunts missions or are they weekly?

[tender ermine]

Weekly

[zenith warren]

it's weekly, and I think everyone gets the same set?

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[zenith warren]

same order as DD/EDD

blank, weapon, cosmetic

[tender ermine]

So quite often you go do the first one and find a team to plow through the others

[zenith warren]

promos are 4 missions

[tender ermine]

And yeap. Same order

[zenith warren]

do not do your promo on the same class, that's a waste of potential xp

[civic orbit]

What’s a promo? Promotion?

[zenith warren]

yup

[tender ermine]

Yeap'

[zenith warren]

when you hit 25, start that up

[civic orbit]

There are missions for thatcher

That?

[zenith warren]

you can't do DD/EDD until you promote that class

and that class must be promoted

switching just kicks you when the drop pod launches

[tender ermine]

While a class is level 25, it cant gain any more EXP

[manic pivot]

_ _
ATTENTION MINERS!
We are hearing rumors that some dwarves are still not done with this weeks Deep Dives!
We want to remind you that there's only half a week left until our scanners pick up new missions!
_ _

[zenith warren]

... if the switched to class is not promoted that is

[civic orbit]

I didn’t think there were missions you have to do to get promoted I thought you kinda just did it

[tender ermine]

Nope.

;/

[zenith warren]

the mission type isn't randomly chosen

gunner and scout are mining, salvage, egg, escort

[tender ermine]

Wasnt it a long time ago, you could just use the money and resources to promote and there was some glitch that allowed you to promote real quick?

[zenith warren]

engineer is that but refining as the final instead of escort

idk

[tender ermine]

Like all of the calsses

[zenith warren]

driller is mining, escort, refining, PE

[tender ermine]

And thats why they implemented the missions

[zenith warren]

because driller is special.

[tender ermine]

Well. Driller is god

"A jack of all trades, master of none, but usually better than a master of one."

[zenith warren]

in that he kills scout?

[spring bloom]

I love how you can use your drills to punch shellbacks away

[zenith warren]

hate that freezing doesn't work on shellbacks properly

those bastards will keep rolling

[tender ermine]

Yeap.

[spring bloom]

Probably to prevent bugs

[zenith warren]

they're already bugs!

[tender ermine]

I would love a mechanic, where they get frozen, keep rolling, crash and all of their armor plating is gone

[zenith warren]

I think they still get damage amped, though

so they'll die fast after cryo

[spring bloom]

Like what if they got frozen mid transition and broke

[tender ermine]

Yeap, damage amp is a thing

[zenith warren]

I run driller to have massive freezing power

since freezing OP

good at all hazard levels, too

[tender ermine]

Also a PSA for anyone, if you are running cryo minelets on scouts akimbo SMG's, remember to get plowthrough rounds. They do damage, pierce enemies and then activate the minelets

when they hit the ground

or... wall

well ceilings an option.

[spring bloom]

I dont have any stubby overclocks yet :C

Or GL ones

[tender ermine]

Just got fatman GL OC

[spring bloom]

My favorite damn weapons

[tender ermine]

Amazing

[spring bloom]

Reee

[civic orbit]

The overclock I want most is fatman

[tender ermine]

Fatman is amazing, make it max AOE, shoot it and let the radiation kill anything that enters it

Perfect area denial

[spring bloom]

I dont like fatman on concept. Mostly because I've died from it multiple times

[civic orbit]

Oof

[tender ermine]

Oh and PSA. If you run fatman, get the max level friendly perk

[spring bloom]

Stop firing nukes near the damn drill!

[tender ermine]

And its amazing at escort missions

Lot of enemies going through the tunnel? Shoot the floor

Anything that isnt a large bug will get fried by the glory of ATOM

[zenith warren]

... wait, are the mushrooms a hive mind

[tender ermine]

Mushrooms?

[zenith warren]

nevermind

[wet shale]

MUSHROOM

[dim trellis]

super Mario intensifies

gunner nades clear smelly mushroom patches

very nice

[tender ermine]

Engineer takes out line cutter

Cuts mushrooms like grass

[civic orbit]

I’ve only ever had one run in with the shrooms

[tender ermine]

No more mushrooms

[civic orbit]

I hate them

[tender ermine]

Yeap,

Line cutter is amazing

Worth the shots to clear a path

Or an area

[civic orbit]

What class other than engie would you say pairs up well with a driller in a duo?

[tender ermine]

Anything

[civic orbit]

👁👄👁

[tender ermine]

Drillers like engie, anything fits

[zenith warren]

driller and engineer are your rock and stone of the team

but the best combo has to be driller and a scout standing on the driller's c4

[tender ermine]

Yeap, ones frontline, the others backline

And well gunners hanging from his ziplines, being a turret, I guess?

[civic orbit]

Well I ask because when me and my brother promote we want to start new classes and he wants to be driller

[tender ermine]

And scouts snorting some mushrooms

[civic orbit]

Idk what class I want to play after engie

[zenith warren]

probably gunner if you don't want to stack

[tender ermine]

Double dip on drillers 😄

[spring bloom]

Recommend gunner

[tender ermine]

Well yeah, if were going with a seperate class, gunners an obvious choise

And remember, ziplines are amazig

[zenith warren]

gunner has something driller doesn't

range, and ziplines

[spring bloom]

Gunner is great once you unlock all his guns and can experiment with builds

[tender ermine]

Place them high enough so your ankles cant be bit

[zenith warren]

engineer struggles against long range targets. driller flounders against them.

[civic orbit]

True. Only experience I have with gunner is the tutorial

[tender ermine]

But low enough that you cant die from fall damage

[zenith warren]

whereas gunner kills everything at any range who cares born to kill baby

[spring bloom]

Scout is best pick for anything in dense biozone

[civic orbit]

I hate dense biozone

Least favorite map

[spring bloom]

Because just navigating there is a hazard

[civic orbit]

The whole place is a hazard

It’s terrible

[spring bloom]

Idk why people hate fungus bogs

[tender ermine]

Dense biozone? If I dont see an engi or a driller, im leaving

[civic orbit]

I like bogs

[spring bloom]

Fungus Bogs and Salt Pits are my faves easily

[civic orbit]

Glacial strata is my favorite, ice and snow biomes are so cool

[zenith warren]

don't forget: everyone is a miner

just because you don't have drills or platforms doesn't mean you can't navigate caves

[tender ermine]

Fungus bogs visibility is atrocious @spring bloom

[spring bloom]

But Salt Pits doesnt have enough environmental hazards imo. The crumbling salt platforms are way underutilized

[tender ermine]

@zenith warren Yeah, but its a just a quality of life thing xD

[spring bloom]

There should be crumbling salt hallways you have to race through or fall

Or more salt parkour type stuff

[tender ermine]

Or unstable caves

modifier

Where you have to do the mission as fast as possible, because its constanyl crumbling

[wet shale]

there are some falling stalactites, but they're pretty harmless

[spring bloom]

Theres not enough situations where you actually have to deal with the crumbling salt platforms

So Salt Pits is way too tame imo

[tender ermine]

Dude, my idea, unstable caves modifier ;D

[cursive prawn]

Can anyone tell me what the 3 deepdive missions for this week are

[tender ermine]

The caves slowly coming down and crumbling

[spring bloom]

It's not dangerous enough to me

[tender ermine]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/kx2a8c/weekly_deep_dives_thread_14th_january_2021/

[cursive prawn]

thank you

[spring bloom]

If you do Return To Sender with Plasma Trail, does the plasma DoT stack for both passes of the shot?

[zenith warren]

I doubt that it doubles the damage, it probably works the same as the line already does- damage over time from collision

but it probably increases the duration because of that.

[untold creek]

yeah, the damage would be inflicted for longer because of the projectile basically refreshing the trail when it returns

but it wouldnt theoretically double damage of the trails, exactly

[ripe dust]

https://steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/1770445441528163481/C092B17399906C7B2634EA2EED0EE2D04AA90888/

My back...

[vale falcon]

dw ur a fine engineer

[dim trellis]

Is he driller here

also forgot what a 3 footprint map (max length) felt like

had to actually use the in-game compass to direct too lmao

[misty scaffold]

did anyone else have bulk on third stage of edd?

[zenith warren]

hmm? yeah, but I think it was only one

[misty scaffold]

it ruined us

we only managed to win because of iron will + field medic

and, btw, the player that saved the game was a lv 21, freshly promoted engineer

never underestimate greenbeards ;P

[stable thistle]

So What are the objectives for the 3 stages

Deep dive this week

[odd rover]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/kx2a8c/weekly_deep_dives_thread_14th_january_2021/

[graceful grove]

deep dive anyone?

[dim trellis]

Thursday

[wraith shard]

does the weekly reward reset when new dives are available? never done a dd before

[sinful fog]

yes they reset (e.g. you can get new rewards, you claimed will not get reset obviously) when new dd take place. also elite dd and normal dd did not share the rewards

[craggy coral]

Hi DRG community.

We just had a run of deep dive and had a weird bug, where 3 people completed it and the 4th one didn't received any rewards. XP was 0, gold was 0, no minerals and deep dive marked as if she didn't even participated.
Is it "normal"? And what to do in this case usually.

[dim trellis]

f

[cunning yacht]

I'm gonna try solo my first deep dive

[torpid tusk]

gg

anyone looking for an engineer?

[vale falcon]

#lfg-steam

[outer fiber]

agreed, this is the most boring biome to me (yes, even more than crystalline caverns)

[outer fiber]

damn that driller seemed really good

[spring bloom]

Personally, I find the Exclusion Zone the most boring. Yes its supposed to be a nuclear wasteland, but it winds up looking more unfinished than barren

[spring bloom]

Actually that Engineer is me lmfao

what are the odds

[vale falcon]

I have many wrinkles on my brain obviously

[outer fiber]

the scout name is so cute tho

[odd rover]

@outer fiber Haven't seen you in half a year.

[outer fiber]

@odd rover holy shit.

[odd rover]

Still mallet gang?

[outer fiber]

Always

[odd rover]

Disgusting

[outer fiber]

but I don't really play it anymore

[odd rover]

At least it's not gavel tho

[outer fiber]

.>

[odd rover]

Fair

[outer fiber]

I don't remember your gang

[odd rover]

Maul

[outer fiber]

🤢

[odd rover]

smh

[outer fiber]

sigh

at least we have the same tastes about the miners union

and dwarf

[odd rover]

Scout is where it's at.

[verbal wagon]

how bad is the DD/EDD this week lads 😮

[pastel wasp]

DD is cruisy, EDD is rough

[fresh escarp]

EDD Cryo driller and a good single target Engie is perfect for this

[hushed vale]

Just finished EDD, second stage with shield disruption was a little hard expecially because a double detonator spawned right in front of our asses xD

And stage 3 with all those macteras is hell

But overall a pretty fun and challenging EDD

[feral atlas]

If you're trying to pub EDD now, unless you're confident you can solo carry it's a waste of your time

The good players have already finished it and moved on. It's not quite bottom of the barrel now in the pub queue, but it's getting there.

[sleek verge]

yeah pugging it now is a for funsies thing if you wanna try to carry some people

you could probably put together a decent group if you waited a bit though.

[graceful grove]

deep dive anyone?

[civic orbit]

Whoever told me here to try 22222 stubby, I tried it today and I liked it so thank you. Also fully upgraded my breach cutter. I’m also close to level 19 and nearing my first promotion

Finally those god forsaken machine events that I always seem to find will be playable

[mossy barn]

this week's DD is painfully long

[zenith warren]

after an EDD with two escorts in it, no DD feels long to me

[mossy barn]

aaand... we both died to cave leeches in the final part. lmao

[fallen granite]

is there any way to tell if a mission has an event? im at 14 cores and ive done 5 missions to try and burn some without finding a single one

[vale falcon]

nope, luck

and deep dives dont have them

[zenith warren]

there is no way to tell, just run missions and get them done as you see them

though

my gut tells me they won't spawn if the host hasn't promoted yet

[civic orbit]

what exactly does turret whip do and should I use it

[odd comet]

No, they definitely do

You regularly see greenbeards in here asking what the weird machine thingies are

[civic orbit]

this is true, I found some of them at level 10

with 0 promoted characters

[odd comet]

As far as Turret Whip, it makes your turret shoot a supercharged shot when you shoot it with your shotgun

But it consumes turret ammo as well as requiring you to spend shotgun ammo, and it may not shoot at the target you want it to

[civic orbit]

could the hawkeye system work to make it shoot a specific target?

[vale falcon]

Yep

[civic orbit]

lot of hassle but hypothetically

[odd comet]

Yes

But most people just go with Miner Adjustments instead

[vale falcon]

Or place the turret in a spot where glyphid would swarm to, so when you shoot them, it triggers it

[civic orbit]

I don't feel like miner adjustments is necessary. I run gemeni turrets 90% of the time and I'm usually near the them.

My shotgun is pretty good at the moment as is and I always have the breach cutter

[odd comet]

Well, it's up to you

[civic orbit]

Just want to see what my fellow engies think

[odd comet]

I prefer miner adjustments for blitzing down heavy targets though

[civic orbit]

^ yeah I think I'm gonna put that on my more offensive build

just gotta get the materials to buy it, final upgrades are expensive

[sleek verge]

Glad ya like it

[civic orbit]

Not gonna lie I was doubtful that the SMG would be a true alternative rather than a downgrade from the shotgun

But I was pleasantly surprised. Got some nasty startup recoil though

[nocturne moth]

electricity is a powerful debuff

[odd comet]

It's much stronger now

Stubby used to be crazy inaccurate

[civic orbit]

I really did like the electricity

Slowed things down a lot better than I thought

[nocturne moth]

makes bulks crawl

so easy to just ignore them on dropship runs with it

[mellow girder]

I real badly wish the electric fence trick worked well at all.

[nocturne moth]

for the Gemini?

[mellow girder]

ye

I was all ready to make it work like crazy, but then I didn't realize even elecritifying them in the first palce was just a chancE to happen per shot, not even talking about how quickly fhe fence dissapears.

I could handle the short uptime of that trick if that Overclock just let a single bullet consistently elecritfy the turrets. Then I'd have fun maintaining uptime.

[lapis nymph]

It would be cool if turret whip didn't consume turret ammo, it would be a fun alternative for miners who just CAN'T aim for the life of them

Or even as a lazy way to play

Think of it like redirecting the damage you would've done to something that can aim for you

[obsidian prawn]

turret whip is fine as-is imo, you can get good burst and area damage out of it so having some cost is fine

[civic orbit]

Can’t wait to try it tomorrow

[prisma junco]

I wish it had some better stats tbh

[vale falcon]

Like what

[prisma junco]

Just a bit more AOE and damage

something to make the option more attractive

[obsidian prawn]

my only complaint with it is that it occupies the same slot as miner adjustments

[prisma junco]

because Miner Adjustments imo completely dwarfs it in comparison

[obsidian prawn]

i dont like having to click a lot, driller without auto-subata makes me feel like carpal incarnate

[vale falcon]

True

But holding it down is hard too

So just equip it on the scroll wheel

[proven bluff]

Just unlocked mini shells. Seems decent

[nocturne moth]

miner adjustments boring

turret whip goes pew

is better

[wet shale]

"dwarfs it"
heh

[reef shoal]

edd was easy

stage 3 is just mactera plague being mactera plague so had a few scary moments but stage 1 (although oxygen was annoying) and 2 were whatever

[civic orbit]

hey do repellant additive platforms do anything major? I was wondering if I should take those or just more platforms.

[stiff berry]

Keep buggies of your bridge

[wet shale]

you can put some around you to funnel bugs into a specific position

[civic orbit]

is it true that they only avoid it if there is no other way to get to you? does it work in practice

[untold creek]

Yeah, it’s super useful if you understand how it works

funneling bugs through more manageable chokes is made far easier and it helps the team a lot

the more platforms are connected, though, the more likely they’ll ignore it usually

I think it’s a proximity thing

Maybe I’m just misinterpreting info I got though

It’s really nice in deep dives

maximize aoe damage and such, pairs really well with prox mines

[civic orbit]

I haven't experimented with it too much, I might try using it to make a single entry point so my gunner teammate can mow them down

[fresh escarp]

Miner Adjustments plus a max fire rate build just makes me inconsistent

Especially with MPA

[little cove]

Test your repellant plats by calling the M.U L.E.
It uses bug pathing, so you should see if you did it correctly if Molly avoids the platforms

[civic orbit]

the mule will also avoid the platforms? I never would have guessed. thanks for letting me know

[fresh escarp]

Imagine if bulk dets saw bug repellant and just

STOMP

[civic orbit]

I hope for my own sake that bulks will avoid it too because those things have been the soul reason I failed a mission 4 out of 5 times now. The other was getting smacked off the zipline.

[untold creek]

I’m unsure if bulks ignore it

At the very least they can break the platforms so that’s something to look out for

refresh or keep him away from the platforms if possible basically

[civic orbit]

One time I was playing driller. I have only played 2 games as driller to focus more on engineer but I wanted to check out driller. When i was in my little tunnel a bulk decided to dig into it to blow me and my teammate back to the space rig.

thats when I learned I am not a fan of bulk detonators

[radiant granite]

I've heard that bug repellent makes crossing platforms count as double the distance for pathfinding, which is why it's less likely but in some situations they will still step on platforms

[untold creek]

Yeah. It does something akin to that

[civic orbit]

Thanks for the help oncemore, I'll be suire to try it out.

[proven bluff]

I wish engi had a grenade that created a vertical platform

[zenith warren]

late reply but the way it works is that bugs calculate the area of the platform as twice their actual size for pathfinding

if the only way to get to you is still the platforms, they'll walk across them

also I think that only applies for the first two lengths of platform

that part I'm not sure about

but even so, that's like you put down 4 platforms with just two. if you put down 4, that's still 6 for pathfinding

if you

if you're against a wall, it's a decent way to make shelter and herd the bugs

[proven bluff]

I don't thing bugger bugs care, either

[zenith warren]

depends on how they navigate

I think praetorians... might?

[proven bluff]

Mostly thinking of detonators and oppressors

[zenith warren]

oppressors and bulks will never care.

bulks can just dig anyways

I like bulks since they mean you can't just bunker everything

[proven bluff]

I suspect shellbacks dont care either

[zenith warren]

shellbacks don't use normal pathfinding

but a couple of platforms at your sides will keep them from rolling into you at speed

[wet shale]

unless when in crawling mode I suppose

[zenith warren]

but for the swarms? they respect and fear the Platform

[proven bluff]

Technically I'm curious if that effects them. Practically it doesn't matter much

[zenith warren]

for shellbacks?

or the swarms

[proven bluff]

Replying to plasma there

[zenith warren]

oh, they might use normal pathfinding there

I'm not sure what triggers crawling mode

[proven bluff]

Yeah it's of no practical consequence either way. They're harmless in that mode and you're probably gunning them down if there are no higher priority targets

[zenith warren]

which are few and far between

since shellbacks don't just hurt, they're incredibly disruptive

and good luck getting a res off with one bouncing around

[proven bluff]

Pretty much just bulks and menaces

[zenith warren]

yep

[proven bluff]

Hell they help against menaces ^^

If you're lucky

[zenith warren]

menaces act weird anyways

almost like they eventually get frustrated and when they finally -can- shoot at you, they won't stop for any reason

[proven bluff]

I've noticed they go a little apeshit sometimes

Maybe they have a set stock of ammo each time they emerge, but it stacks if they move a few times without firing

I dont recall seeing a menace stop firing, then start again without moving

Barring being stunned

[lost ivy]

finished my first deep dive earlier 😄

[prisma junco]

congrats

[hearty jewel]

I find this weeks deep dive very easy tbh. Anyone could solo it

[cunning pewter]

@hearty jewel I almost choked on the EDD Solo, got all 3 of my downs from the 2nd spitball infector on the last mission

Had Bosco handle him on the way back

[odd rover]

Every deep dive should be pretty easy to solo tbh, 3.5 is barely challenging.

The warnings are going to be the hardest part.

[vale falcon]

Nope

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is now booting up, 24 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[civic orbit]

at what point in game do y'all think haz 4 missions are handleable. I'm on haz 3 witha level 21 engie (No promotions or overclocks but full upgrades on weapons) and i wanted to know if it's gear or skill that makes or breaks haz 4 mostly

[hearty jewel]

haz 4 missions are handleable at level 10 really

its just like any other mission except they are more lethal

[civic orbit]

what is the difference again? more enemies and they deal more damage?

[untold creek]

Hazard levels affect spawn rates, group size, and general stats like hp and damage

Also can affect player only stats

[fresh escarp]

Also effects friendly fire damage

[untold creek]

This usually includes friendly fire and the hp you’re set to when you revive

haz 5 can affect player hp regen, as well, but that’s exclusive to haz 5 alone

so haz 4 doesn’t change it

[fresh escarp]

EDDs also effect this factor

[untold creek]

EDDs have their own scaling factors yeah, but it follows the same pattern

Kind of

Gear doesn’t matter as much for running haz4, basically, it’s about learning the game

Deep dives, even with their .5 difficulty increases, end up being easier usually due to nitra if I recall, and the layouts being consistent so that memory or hindsight can assist you

[civic orbit]

Alright, thanks for letting me know. Probably going to go to haz 4 soon.

[wraith shard]

Yeh you don’t need overclocks for haz 4 or DD tbh. They help on EDD but regular DD you can handily do without any OC.

[sacred knoll]

Wish me luck brothers

My first solo EDD

[outer fiber]

does Bet-c follow the team through the 3 levels ?

[fossil urchin]

Steeve dont so I doubt it

[dim trellis]

bet-c unfortunately cannot

also unlocking the 3 line breach cutter is pretty good for haz4 but the biggest obstacle is you yourself !!

it’s really not that bad

if u ever played a zombie game then you know not to stay in one place

[mental plank]

hablan español?

[dim trellis]

que paso amigo

[mental plank]

pues nada solo paso a saludar xd

soy nuevo en el juego :3

[dim trellis]

It is a great game

hope u enjoy

[vale falcon]

https://discord.gg/kHSZXzz
https://discord.gg/JnS2RFU9rF
@mental plank Yo no Hablo espaniol

Brazil/Spanish communities

[fresh escarp]

I wish BET-C Would just, walk down the drop pod tunnel

[willow yoke]

What is exactly Deep Dive? I see it but I can’t learn about it until I’m promoted

[obsidian prawn]

special missions that earn you another thing you can only use after being promoted

deep dives differ from normal missions in that:

• difficulty is locked to haz4/haz5
• they consist of three back-to-back missions, health/ammo/nitra persists between missions
• instead of a primary objective and an optional secondary objective, you get two primary objectives that must be completed (ex. mine X morkite and deposit Y aquarqs)

[willow yoke]

Very cool. Sounds like a great endgame!

[sacred knoll]

Whew, finally made it

[sleek verge]

Normal deep dives occur at hazards 2.5 - 3 - 3.5. Elite deep dives are 4.5 - 5 - 5.5.

[zenith warren]

it's 3 - 3.5 - 3.5 for DD

[edgy night]

So for someone that hasn't even gone on a Deep Dive, is it possible to Solo these with a promoted character? Or is it like, "Don't even try."

[tired river]

Looking to do the elite deep dive, I'm a driller. please PM

[vale falcon]

#lfg-steam

[tired river]

thank you

[obsidian prawn]

i've never done one solo, but i assume they're doable solo lol

[wraith shard]

Both are doable solo if you are good enough. The DD is very soloable.

You just need to be familiar with the modifiers and have a plan to handle "group" missions like Escort.

Everything is in the same spot every time more or less as well, so you can fail and just try again. Don't get too in your head about it, since nothing changes over the week you can get them down pat if you practice.

[edgy night]

Nice. I'll give that a shot then. I haven't had a group or anything to give it a shot, and usually like to try to solo things before jumping into groups, always sucks when you're playing along and you're the one that doesn't have a clue what's up.

[wraith shard]

You also get a matrix core the first time you beat a level of the dive. So if you beat level 1 and 2, but die on 3, you will get a blank core and a weapon core even though it was overall a failure. If you can solo Haz 4's then realistically you could just jump into a DD and be fine imo. The EDD is noticeably harder, but most competent groups can finish this weeks DD I'm guessing.

[zenith warren]

think of DD like a haz 3 with guaranteed mutators

think of EDD like a 5 with guaranteed mutators

thing is, the maps are always the same, so you can prepare accordingly

if you fail? you know where the objectives/resources you need are for next time

[edgy night]

Good to know, thanks!

Yeah, I'm excited, I do a lot of solo play and random drop-ins, and need something to help keep the fun going

[zenith warren]

dives are neither excessively easy not insurmountable

greybeards forget that the game was challenging when they didn't know every weird little bit of minutiae

[fresh escarp]

Im ready for an DD or EDD with 2 mutators and 2 anomalies

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
Planet scanning is still in progress, 12 hours left until new Deep Dives!
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[keen moth]

I solo'd my first DD yesterday with bosco, but the EDD looks a little intimidating lol

[broken zinc]

Second stage has shield disruptor today and a metric ton of swarmites, it is intimidating.

[keen moth]

yeah just finished the first stage solo, not looking forward stage 2

[zenith warren]

don't forget that shield disruption gives you bonus hp

or damage resistance? whatever, you're tougher.

[untold sinew]

Nah

There’s more red sugar

No damage reduction from what I’ve played

[zenith warren]

yeah, 30% damage reduction

red sugar also amped 30%

[keen moth]

whew second stage down

if I fail do I keep the rewards I've gotten so far?

the blank and the weapon OC

[zenith warren]

yes

but if you fail and want the final OC you have to start from the beginning

[keen moth]

ok that's what I was hoping

I can live without the cosmetic if I fail

I think the third stage should be a cake walk in comparison to the first two though

[zenith warren]

eh, it shouldn't be any worse

just respect the dive

call supplies before you need them

don't take dumb risks

[keen moth]

nvm I'm getting murdered

welp that was awful

lol oh well

mactera swarms just wrecked me

even with the mactera dmg mod on the sidearm as driller I just got shrecked

you have to do both objectives right

i kinda assumed, but never tried to skip them

[broken zinc]

yep, shoud've warned you about this one, too.

[keen moth]

i knew it was gonna be mactera plague. it's why i went subata with mactera mod since driller is kinda weak to flying shits

but they c h u n k

[feral atlas]

driller is hit or miss on haz5 mactera plauge

if you want to win, go engi

[keen moth]

in retrospect, I still feel driller was my best option for solo, but I should have gone flamethrower, made some other tweaks to my build

[feral atlas]

if you want to multitask, minigun

driller's options for mactera plague are limited if you don't have snowball, or are not good with the EPC

[keen moth]

I just don't care enough to try again lol. the blank and OC were my primary objectives, and I succeeded there

yeah I don't really have very many OC's yet

[feral atlas]

just run 22222 EPC

[keen moth]

just started playing a few weeks ago

[feral atlas]

hitting the thin containment field implosion will 1 shot mactera

22222 EPC does not need an OC

[keen moth]

yeah I've been practicing TCF but it's been a bit of a struggle

my consistency is the problem with that

[feral atlas]

dealing with mactera plague is not about killing mactera one by one, it's about having a way to deal with the groups

[keen moth]

i could have tried satchel charge, but I didn't know if it would FF doretta

so didn't wanna risk it

[feral atlas]

it will, but it's not sustainable

you only have 4 and resupply 2

[keen moth]

true, but dying 3 times in about 20 seconds to one swarm of mactera isn't either lol

I made it past resupplying the fuel and died in the next swarm so I feel pretty good for my first EDD attempt solo with a class I'm not super keen on

[feral atlas]

meh; gunner and engi are better solo classes for EDD most of the time if you don't have the necessary kits

driller is fine but unless you know what you're doing he suffers on a number of edge cases; mactera being one of them

[keen moth]

i looked at the edd as a whole and decided the driller kit fit me personally best for what was required

i hate refining without a driller

so if it's solo and refining is involved, I'm probably playing driller lol

[feral atlas]

understandable

[keen moth]

i do appreciate the feedback though. if I was set on doing it again solo with driller, I don't think I'd have considered EPC as an option there

the subata seems woefully underpowered though

couldn't even kill a frozen praetor with an entire magazine lol

[little cove]

Subata/Cryo is a weird combo

It is a monster when paired with crspr

[keen moth]

yeah not my first choice generally. but I wanted the mactera mod and felt the cryo would be stronger for CC'ing spooky situations

normally i run crispr and subata/cryo and epc

[little cove]

If you don't mind the extra combo work, volatile bullets on the subata would be the go-to

Anything on fire it eats

[keen moth]

yup

[zenith warren]

I think driller works fine vs mactera if you have a LOT of freezing power

since anything flying and fully frozen is killed

[keen moth]

yeah my build was not max freeze

[feral atlas]

"fine" depends on where you draw the line

[keen moth]

so it was taking wayyy too long

[feral atlas]

driller is, however, inferior when dealing with mactera in nearly all forms compared to other classes unless you specifically build for it

dealing with mactera plague is not about killing them one by one

it's about dealing with getting jumped by 20 of them at once

if your solutions is taking a weapon with 10-15 range and try to kill them one by one, that's painfully inefficient

engi is good at mactera plague, exceptional in fact, because his sentries have aimbot and can stun them, and both of his secondaries have builds where they'll oneshot haz5 mactera in a large radius

[zenith warren]

yeah

[feral atlas]

gunner, if he has minigun, can stunlock and interrupt their attacks, and he has shield

scout has cryo grenade

driller's only real options are if he has snowball on his cryo, or knows how to EPC implode

or drill into a wall

that's your other solution

the freeze power stat on the cryocannon means extremely little unless you're trying to kill bombers or grabbers

because you're not stunning, and you're trying to kill them one at a time

and unlike the minigun, you don't have enough range to try to pick off a couple from a distance where they can't attack you

[keen moth]

^ and digging into the wall isn't helpful when you need to defend doretta lol

[zenith warren]

it's fiiiiiine

maybe not for soloing EDD though.

[pulsar fiber]

How difficult is a Deep Dive? Im looking to potentially run my first deep dive pretty soon, and I would like some recommendations. I main Scout and am somewhat new to the game still.

[feral atlas]

regular?

or elite

[pulsar fiber]

regular

[feral atlas]

Regular, if you can beat haz3 you should win. Though since you're playing scout, I would bump that up to haz4 since he's the weakest class for a number of objective types.

[pulsar fiber]

Oh cool! I am sure I can do that, I play quite a bit of haz4 already. Any recommendations for a build, or is a general all round balanced build the best choice?

[feral atlas]

solo or team?

[pulsar fiber]

I would do it with a team, I am not a big fan of solo games. Just preference

[zenith warren]

whatever you're most comfortable on is best, but pack cryos when you see mactera swarm. you can know the dive stages ahead of time, so prepare accordingly

[feral atlas]

actually, answer is the same for me; just GK2 modded for 15 damage and whatever giant killer you want for secondary slot

[pulsar fiber]

Thank you both!

[glacial crescent]

Omg this deep dive is hard!

[feral atlas]

um

you're trying at a bad time

the worst time, in fact

never do pub dives on wednesday

[cerulean jasper]

is there a reliable source to see what the weekly combo of deep dive events are

[feral atlas]

reddit

the screenshots that are all over this channels on refresh day

take your pick

[manic pivot]

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ATTENTION MINERS!
New Deep Dives will be available in one hour!
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[graceful hemlock]

Here's hoping I can solo the EDD before 7 huh

Oh nevermind, stage 2 is shield disruption.

[wraith shard]

Wow this edd was rough, just beat my first one.