#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 60

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:41 AM

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keeps it so if the gamename template is changed, it gets changed everywhere

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not necessary at all but oh well

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:42 AM

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ah, that makes more sense

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:42 AM

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what are the chances they're going to change the name of the game at this point

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:42 AM

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dunno man

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:42 AM

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well, technically better to use the template because it keeps capitalization and everything the same

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:42 AM

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Jacob is always up to something

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pesky jacob, the funny man

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getting the last few spelling mistakes, as I did miss one or two

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then im going to add some general info should it be missing

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fixed someone spelling Scout's as scout's

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which looks very strange on the page

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and driller, the same mistake

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surprised it didnt break the link, knowing fandom

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:49 AM

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orchid jewel then im going to add some general info should it be missing

to?

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:49 AM

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the tips and tricks page

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Like Carniverous larvae not aggroing on dotty, and not being able to reach a dwarf

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:50 AM

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ah

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i'm gonna add some more niche info

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:50 AM

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please make sure your spelling is correct, I just ran through everything lol

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:51 AM

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orchid jewel please make sure your spelling is correct, I just ran through everything lol

oh it is

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:51 AM

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orchid jewel fixed someone spelling *Scout's* as *scout's*

is it? i thought it was you who made this error earlier

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you added the bit about Swarmers dying instantly from cryo didnt you?

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:52 AM

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yes

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ohhh

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yeah the page was being weird for me

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lmao

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:54 AM

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jesus dude- who decides that [[Beast Master|Beastmaster]] is worth the effort?

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i know that its probably because they wanted to write it with the space, but its really not worth it for me

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there, my job is done

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added bullet points, fixed spelling errors, and all that jaz

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:56 AM

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alright i'm adding info

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:57 AM

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rocknstone
good luck, Remember to try and get familiar with source editting

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:57 AM

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^^^

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it'll help in the future

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plus the visual editor won't do the dumb with source formatting and make things look silly

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:58 AM

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and source is really nice because you can format easier to begin with

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bullet points being just a * instead of whatever the fuck visual amkes you do

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:59 AM

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guys

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someone just wrote

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"the Tyrant weed"

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and stopped writing

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lmao

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:00 AM

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fucking chad

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writes "The Tyrant Weed"

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refuses to elaborate

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low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:02 AM

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nice

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:02 AM

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i come out

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i eat your cheese

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i retreat

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its a simple life

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:03 AM

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heh

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do we know who enorknight is btw?

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:04 AM

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pretty sure thats @tender garnet

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:04 AM

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nah

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that'd be camyron0

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:04 AM

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right, then not a clue

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:05 AM

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alright

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ow this hurts ngl

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the templates are being stupid apparently and adding margins

wary cove Sep 18, 2021, 2:05 AM

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I propose Wiki Weasels instead of wiki rodents

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:06 AM

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gotta change my fursona again? piss

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:06 AM

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low hamlet ow this hurts ngl

yeah this whole page hurts dude, but its better than loading everything at once I suppose

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yeah we know who enor knight is now

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:17 AM

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low hamlet do we know who enorknight is btw?

me

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:17 AM

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low hamlet do we know who enorknight is btw?

told you

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lmao

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but that means we dont know who the fuck Camyron0 is now, right?

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:18 AM

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why

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did i do something wrong

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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No, Turtle was asking and I said it was you-

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:19 AM

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low hamlet that'd be camyron0

he responded with this

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:20 AM

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yeah we dunno who camyron then

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i assumed camyron was dwarfette because visual edit tags

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:21 AM

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Beats me, Could just be some dude

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I have a feeling if it was anyone here they'd be in the chat

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:22 AM

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low hamlet i assumed camyron was dwarfette because visual edit tags

nope i'm enor night

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i do source editing now

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eaiser

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:28 AM

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regardless, the reading has made me weary

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good night lads. try not to strangle the Fandom CEOs

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 2:33 AM

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Why not Sconk

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:36 AM

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because unfortunately if we do then we have to try and do the updates for fandom too

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@tender garnet your info is wrong

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the Q'Ronar cannot be frozen, yes

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but iirc they still take the 3x damage should you fill the meter

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everything else is good though

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see this message from Meatshield

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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orchid jewel <@!852501578879074314> your info is wrong

ohhhh

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i see

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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yeah, s'all good

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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i'll add it

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:41 AM

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rocknstone

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good shit.

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:51 AM

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done

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added a couple of things

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oh god

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i know what i must do

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o7

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 3:09 AM

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im gonna work on stuff tonight

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at 3 am

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because im smart

glacial topaz Sep 18, 2021, 3:13 AM

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let's not rush things

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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wdym

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 3:17 AM

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it's just general life advice. don't rush things 👍

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 3:32 AM

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true

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 5:44 AM

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gonna make the modding support update page called this

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(can be changed later, so)

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grabber

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heheheh

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i forgot to req css changes to be added.....again

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lol

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fandom do be breakin the templates

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fixed this

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weary sonnet Sep 18, 2021, 10:38 AM

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afaik the swarmers swarm is only swarmers, the grunt are just part of the ambient wave, but I am not completely sure.

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All slowdowns are indeed multiplicatives.

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For the max cold slowdown value I can get it in game via tests and commands lines.
The tool I use to get the values doesn’t work in U34.5 though, I will have to wait for a patch to use it again.

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:23 PM

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whew

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this is hard work

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haha

silent sierra Sep 18, 2021, 1:29 PM

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Not sure if this has been discussed earlier, but I got the same results with the Persistent Plasma from the EPC. The plasma field was capable of exploding Praetorian clouds, but not the Neurotoxin Canister's clouds.

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:31 PM

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meh, I feel persistent plasma is a different case

silent sierra Sep 18, 2021, 1:32 PM

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I suppose. I just felt it was worth noting since it's another AoE of fire damage that can detonate clouds from bugs, but not from dwarves.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 1:33 PM

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a theory that gets proposed everytime gas clouds and sticky flames are brought up is that the cloud might have some sort of hp regen mechanic

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also the hp of the actual cloud isn't listed anywhere I could find on the wiki for either type of gas

silent sierra Sep 18, 2021, 1:35 PM

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That seems testable. I know that the EPC needs to shoot two charged shots into the cloud to explode it if it deals less than 100 area damage. Maybe we could check if waiting will raise the number to three?

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:37 PM

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have we also considered that its just got some weird hidden temp meter

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 1:38 PM

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heat doesn't set it off, only burn damage does as far as I'm aware, as incendiary pgl and initial hit incendiary grenade both don't do anything to it despite being able to deal 100+ heat damage

silent sierra Sep 18, 2021, 1:39 PM

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I just assumed it was something more mundane like the cloud's hitbox being tagged as "friendly" so the lingering effects that do zero friendly damage just can't interact with it.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 1:39 PM

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My guess is that its coded as an enemy with 100% dmg immunity to everything but Burn damage

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 1:50 PM

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finally

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i fixed the tips and tricks pages

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now it's full of links

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and by god it looks so much nicer

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apparently i added 2,000+ words

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:)

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:56 PM

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fixed up the broken links

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im gonna work on making the collapsibles look better

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 1:57 PM

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not sure if they where 'broken' or if they're referring to the times where people said Dorreta and not [[Drilldozer]

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I hope its not the latter, because that would have taken a while

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 1:59 PM

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orchid jewel not sure if they where 'broken' or if they're referring to the times where peopl...

they were broken

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not a ton but there were like 10

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:03 PM

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low hamlet im gonna work on making the collapsibles look better

Thank god

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:03 PM

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just gonna collapse by category and make the buttons nice

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bet you can't spot why this was broken lol

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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hmm

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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I can’t

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:06 PM

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im gonna guess its got something to do with the id=

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:09 PM

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newp

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class was missing an equals sign

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HAHAHA

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i do that way too often and then spend 10 minutes not knowing why my code isnt working

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:11 PM

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dderp

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sounds about right

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:17 PM

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lol

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alright, what we're gonna want to do is put some general info in each header so it doesn't look barren

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:19 PM

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I can do that, yeah

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unless you're already on it

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:23 PM

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you can do it, just not rn lol

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ive got an edit going soo

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grabber

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ok that should be good

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:28 PM

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so im good to run through and add the info?

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:29 PM

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yep

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:30 PM

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Gotcha

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:30 PM

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those annoying bullet points are no more

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:31 PM

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ooh, here i go using {{gamename}} after shittalking it yesterday lmao

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is hoxxes spelt with 2 x's or 3?

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 2:34 PM

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two

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 2:34 PM

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gotcha

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Finished 'Creatures', 'Missions', 'Perks', and put a blurb under 'Equipment'

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:19 PM

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We should really add a modding page

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for info about the mod menu's

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besides just

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the update notes

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 3:20 PM

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I think we determined earlier before u34.5 that it wasnt something that belonged on the wiki

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:20 PM

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but it's part of the UI

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 3:20 PM

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and the update notes really have all you need tbh

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:21 PM

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alr ig

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 3:21 PM

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orchid jewel I think we determined earlier before u34.5 that it wasnt something that belonged...

nah we're gonna make one

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 3:21 PM

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😔

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:22 PM

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NICE

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should i make the page?

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 3:29 PM

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need to think about what to call it/how to format it first

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:47 PM

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How long did it take to get the wiki editor role turtle?

bold plover Sep 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Pro tip, it requires you to actually edit the wiki.

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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bold plover Pro tip, it requires you to actually edit the wiki.

lmao i redid an entire page dw

bold plover Sep 18, 2021, 3:49 PM

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~~I took 2k pictures for the wiki and nothing.~~

wary cove Sep 18, 2021, 3:50 PM

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The goal is not for this to be a transactional situation.

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 3:50 PM

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wary cove The goal is not for this to be a transactional situation.

oh i know i'm just curious haha

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i enjoy editing the wiki so i do it

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 3:59 PM

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rancid crest also the hp of the actual cloud isn't listed anywhere I could find on the wiki f...

Praetorian Gas Cloud has 25 HP IIRC

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:00 PM

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what about neurogas?

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 4:01 PM

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I believe it's the same thing

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except the neurogass spreads larger

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:01 PM

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so 3 shots of hh epc then ok

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 4:01 PM

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rancid crest so 3 shots of hh epc then ok

?

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:02 PM

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testing hp regen theory

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hh epc does a clean and reliable 10 fire dmg per shot so I'm using it

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or my game can crash ok

weary sonnet Sep 18, 2021, 4:04 PM

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#wiki-related-chatroom message
I can confirm it was 25 non scaling HP for the praet/oppressor gas.

glacial topaz Sep 18, 2021, 4:06 PM

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Forgot to ask , praetorian waves are known to have grunts, or those might come from ambient waves ?

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 4:08 PM

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glacial topaz Forgot to ask , praetorian waves are known to have grunts, or those might come f...

nope they spawn little grunt sidekicks

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those aren't ambeint

glacial topaz Sep 18, 2021, 4:10 PM

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Which method used to test ?

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 4:11 PM

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rancid crest hh epc does a clean and reliable 10 fire dmg per shot so I'm using it

what? 5 + 32/4 = 13 Heat/shot, or 15 with T1.A

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:11 PM

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...do gas clouds only explode from aoe dmg?

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:11 PM

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floral drift what? 5 + 32/4 = 13 Heat/shot, or 15 with T1.A

fire not heat

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isn't it just 25% of dmg as fire

indigo kindle Sep 18, 2021, 4:12 PM

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No, 5+25% of weapon dmg as Heat is used for Plasma Burn.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:12 PM

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.... I am talking about the normal shot's dmg components? no plasma burn

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 4:12 PM

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rancid crest isn't it just 25% of dmg as fire

negative. i have EPC's Regular Shot damage type recorded in DPSCalc as 50% Electric and 50% Kinetic.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 4:12 PM

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oh its charged shots fuuuck

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mfw when I screw up copy pasting the info off the wiki somehow

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 4:14 PM

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bold plover ~~I took 2k pictures for the wiki and nothing.~~

spain without the s

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 4:15 PM

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tender garnet How long did it take to get the wiki editor role turtle?

idk a while

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so we neda brain storm what we're gonna call the modding page

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what are some keywords that people will search up...

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modding, modding support, modding info, etc. idk

wary cove Sep 18, 2021, 4:18 PM

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The hard part is that you have weapon, armor, and now game mods.

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 4:18 PM

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yeah

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what im envisioning is just a page with general info about modding, how to install, how to switch saves, explanation of sandbox mods, etc

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 4:20 PM

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that sounds better than trying to explain it all super in depth

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 5:22 PM

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Do gas clouds only take dmg from aoe dmg? EPC charged shot does 60 direct and aoe dmg, so it should be doing 15 direct fire and 15 aoe fire, right? Unless friendly fire modifiers apply too?

mystic shell Sep 18, 2021, 5:36 PM

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Hey guys, formatting of the recently updated tips and tricks page looks a little awkward, at least on my mobile. Maybe it's the same for you.

orchid jewel Sep 18, 2021, 5:39 PM

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fandom shits all over mobile

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im almost postive theres nothing we can do

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 5:39 PM

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correct

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 5:40 PM

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rancid crest Do gas clouds only take dmg from aoe dmg? EPC charged shot does 60 direct and ao...

best way to test this is with Boomstick T5.C White Phosphorus Shells. it converts half of the pellets' Kinetic to Fire-element. just shoot the cloud from further than 4m away, since half of its Area Explosive Damage gets converted to Fire-element too.

if WPS can ignite the cloud from 5m+ away, then you know it was done from Direct Damage.

low hamlet Sep 18, 2021, 5:40 PM

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we can't edit fandom mobile css

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so nothing to do about it. at all

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yay

mystic shell Sep 18, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Understood. Well at least the content is still there and as insightful as on desktop.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 5:49 PM

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are there any other projectiles that deal fire dmg similar to epc charged shots

indigo kindle Sep 18, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Inferno OC Breach Cutter or just BC in general.

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BC does 50 impact Fire damage, Inferno converts 90% weapon damage to Fire.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 5:51 PM

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hm.. maybe its just specifically EPC that's weird I guess?

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 6:12 PM

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are you guys sure sticky flames sets off neurogas?

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 6:19 PM

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you don't need to rely on other people for a test that simple. launch the game, equip flame + NT grenade, test it for yourself 🙂

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 6:20 PM

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I have been testing it

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2 shots of 12 dmg crspr to the floor applying sticky flames doesn't ignite it

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(everything else was me trying to figure out if it had 25 hp)

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The amount of hp neurogas/deathcloud has is something that should go on the wiki, yeah?

floral drift Sep 18, 2021, 6:29 PM

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just tested it for myself. after 10 seconds of Sticky Fuel 20 dmg/tick Sticky Flames, the NT grenade did not ignite. then, for the second NT grenade, it ignited almost immediately with only direct contact with the Flame stream; no Sticky Flames.

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 6:34 PM

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oh what the hell

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enemies can have decimal points amount of hp leftover, yes?

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I'm getting a weird result

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epc w flying nightmare + persistent plasma should be doing (60 - 15) * 1.2 = 54 * 0.25 = 13.5 dmg, crspr with no mods deals 11, that should be 24.5 fire dmg, yes?

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2 ammo of 12 dmg crspr doesn't ignite gas, but the above setup does

rancid crest Sep 18, 2021, 7:28 PM

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I am lost as fuck

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if someone else wants to have a go, have at it

📎 neurogas_test.txt

tender garnet Sep 18, 2021, 9:52 PM

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neat

low hamlet Sep 19, 2021, 3:14 AM

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sigh
another scam spam

rancid crest Sep 19, 2021, 3:16 AM

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Seeing #wiki-related-chatroom lit up but no new messages cuz it was spam is extremely disappointment

low hamlet Sep 19, 2021, 3:17 AM

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lol yeah

orchid jewel Sep 19, 2021, 3:17 AM

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yeah

silent sierra Sep 19, 2021, 3:37 AM

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Continuing with the direct damage interaction with toxin clouds. The Scout's boomstick using White Phosphorus can ignite a Praetorian's death cloud from well beyond its AoE reach. I'll need help with testing the Neurotoxin Canister, but I do know that the EPC does't ignite Praet clouds with its direct damage at all.

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This actually makes me wonder if the Boomstick pellets are despawned when they ignite a cloud like they would be when hitting an enemy or surface.

orchid jewel Sep 19, 2021, 7:13 AM

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i could test that but id have to reinstall the karl class mod

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take the boomstick, Subata, and Neuronades

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and uh, the cyro cannon i suppose

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do the forever stun glitch, throw the nade infront of the bug a safe distance away, and then WPS the cloud and see if it hits the bug

silent sierra Sep 19, 2021, 2:06 PM

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Yeah, I just modded the Neurotoxin and Boomstick into the same loadout. Going off of bullet decals it looks like the pellets weren't being "used" by the neurotoxin cloud. The cloud exploded and every pellet was accounted for against the wall.

orchid jewel Sep 19, 2021, 2:23 PM

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sort of expected, yeah. also nice to know for later

tender garnet Sep 19, 2021, 4:53 PM

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what in the wiki needs updating

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there must be something

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 4:57 PM

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Pretty sure almost nothing that isnt very deep info or complex information needs updating
At most simple stuff missing will be for the 34.5 update

low hamlet Sep 19, 2021, 4:57 PM

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we need biome features

tender garnet Sep 19, 2021, 4:58 PM

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low hamlet we need biome features

oh?

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 5:00 PM

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That one is quite complicated
You looking for the images or just making the table ?
That list I made for you should help some, but thing can be harder than it seems
Even more when some features dont appear on laser scanner

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Hollow bough and azure weald are the ones missing stuff , right ?
What about older biomes missing features ?

tender garnet Sep 19, 2021, 5:01 PM

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what are biome features?

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Biome props, like flowers, exploding plants, icicles, magma vents

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Enter any biome page, you will see a table

tender garnet Sep 19, 2021, 5:04 PM

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ah

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Sandstorms are features too for example
I guess checking in game if any features were missed will be good
And try finding the biggest variety of objects for the azure weald and hollow bough, with images just for simple checking (worrying about making them good for use later)

low hamlet Sep 19, 2021, 5:08 PM

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we don't have many for azure and hollow bough

tender garnet Sep 19, 2021, 5:11 PM

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I'll check it out

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 5:13 PM

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Perfect
Take your time
And any questions , do ask

weary sonnet Sep 19, 2021, 5:14 PM

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Re:Swarmer wave, in the last I got there was only swarmers for most of the wave, but the last sub wave was mixed in with grunts.

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 5:28 PM

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Meaning that there is only a small chance for grunts to spawn , or ? If it is the case, prae waves are probably similar, forgot
Cant forget it is about recent edits about them, so gotta fix it

weary sonnet Sep 19, 2021, 5:53 PM

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Not sure how it works sorry.

glacial topaz Sep 19, 2021, 6:28 PM

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All good, will figure out a way to word it on the wiki

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 2:58 AM

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mhm. I don't think they added Corpse eaters to the wiki

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 11:50 AM

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Corpse feeders?

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Yeah

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That’s what they’re called

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If someone could add that

prime grove Sep 20, 2021, 11:58 AM

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I've been out of the loop lately, what happened to the DRG Wiki?

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some content has been gone and it changed sites completely

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 12:02 PM

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Oop nvm it’s there

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 12:02 PM

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prime grove some content has been gone and it changed sites completely

Well we’re just re-doing it

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On the fandom wiki

acoustic scarab Sep 20, 2021, 12:03 PM

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prime grove I've been out of the loop lately, what happened to the DRG Wiki?

If you mean the old Gamepedia wiki, Gamepedia was bought by Fandom so their new layout is rolled onto every wiki that used to be in GP

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 12:04 PM

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Yes yes

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And now I’m here

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Updating the tips and tricks page

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Like a fucking maniac

acoustic scarab Sep 20, 2021, 12:08 PM

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It's the same wiki article-wise, but the layout is worse and some templates got broken

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 12:11 PM

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acoustic scarab It's the same wiki article-wise, but the layout is worse and some templates got ...

Yup yup

low hamlet Sep 20, 2021, 1:24 PM

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the broken templates should be fixed now

tender garnet Sep 20, 2021, 1:36 PM

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fuck off
fuck off
fuck the fucking hell off

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also

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"discocrd"

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my favorite mssaging app

prime grove Sep 20, 2021, 3:12 PM

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acoustic scarab If you mean the old Gamepedia wiki, Gamepedia was bought by Fandom so their new ...

christ that's so sad, the Gamepedia one was so pretty and well done, Fandom feels like a cheap adware bloated site

prime grove Sep 20, 2021, 3:13 PM

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tender garnet Well we’re just re-doing it

best of luck for everyone who's working on it

low hamlet Sep 20, 2021, 4:33 PM

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prime grove christ that's so sad, the Gamepedia one was so pretty and well done, Fandom feel...

that's because it is grabber

low hamlet Sep 20, 2021, 4:35 PM

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prime grove best of luck for everyone who's working on it

i can tell you it's been pain

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ive got over 100 lines of css for all the styling ive had to do

floral drift Sep 21, 2021, 6:53 AM

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@weary sonnet i found something "new to me". a YT comment claimed that Subata's T5.A "Volatile Bullets" extended the duration of Burn DoT, so i tested it in-game and it does indeed. Gunner's Revolver OC of the same name has the same property. i checked both upgrades' gamefiles and saw that they use DMG_Fire for their Bonus Damage type, which the wiki team has been referring to as "Fire-element Damage + Heat". after taking a look into both weapons' wiki pages it looks like that's not documented yet.

thought that everyone here might be interested to learn this new information 🙂

acoustic scarab Sep 21, 2021, 7:48 AM

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Makes sense, actually. If a bullet adds fire damage, it raises temperature and, as a result, it takes longer for the target to reach the threshold to stop burning.

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Never occurred to me, though.

weary sonnet Sep 21, 2021, 9:15 AM

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If it is DMG_Fire it makes sense indeed, the current wiki text assume it is DMG_Burn and is wrong.

I was the one who wrote it that way, despite knowing that it was DMG_Fire from looking into their file, I got it mixed up with DMG_Burn in my mind…

I will fix that after work unless someone do it in the mean time.

tender garnet Sep 21, 2021, 3:50 PM

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Oh yeah, btw, we should probably include this about escort missions:

Only 1 person needs to repair dotty for the full repair speed. More than 1 dwarf repairing it at a time makes no difference except a loss of damage on enemies that spawn.

glacial topaz Sep 21, 2021, 3:55 PM

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where is that info from ?

burnt sundial Sep 21, 2021, 3:56 PM

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for whatever reason repair overlap just doesn't let both work, something about the timers if I had to guess - it would start counting again from when it goes up a tick, and from there they would overlap and one would not quite count in time after each time it is repaired

glacial topaz Sep 21, 2021, 3:58 PM

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or you just check how many players are repairing, and adjust to it
if the thing works for Black boxes , and cargo crates, but not for Dozer, seems more like a mistake, or design decision
regardless, curious to know where that claim is based on

burnt sundial Sep 21, 2021, 4:00 PM

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well with something like the crates, uplinks, fuel cells, turrets, revives, pipes, etc, it's a constant increase. Multiple players doing it just adds a higher rate to the completion. However, in the case of doretta, it's seemingly tick-based, where when you're repairing, it goes up in chunks, and it seems the system that determines the time between the actual repairs doesn't properly account for someone else already repairing it and just stops properly counting

austere fossil Sep 21, 2021, 4:30 PM

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glacial topaz or you just check how many players are repairing, and adjust to it if the thing ...

It's based on this https://i.imgur.com/KAEOm9P.mp4

Imgur

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Which comes from this reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/kqm03d/proof_one_dwarf_repairs_just_as_fast_as_two/
from a u/bbqturtle

r/DeepRockGalactic - Proof: one dwarf repairs just as fast as two

39 votes and 17 comments so far on Reddit

glacial topaz Sep 21, 2021, 4:36 PM

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was it commented on as intentional or not ?

austere fossil Sep 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

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Not on that post and I don't know of any comments on it elsewhere. Maybe something to bring up during the next livestream?

low hamlet Sep 21, 2021, 5:20 PM

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^

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because it could be that it isnt

wicked cave Sep 21, 2021, 5:28 PM

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I’ve asked that same question in here before as well re:differing repair speeds. Some repairables clearly do scale in repair speed, while some don’t (dotty is obvious, and I believe broken buried supply pods also don’t scale)

(EDIT - buried supply pods do scale)

low hamlet Sep 21, 2021, 5:29 PM

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they do iirc

wicked cave Sep 21, 2021, 5:30 PM

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Thus the need for testing and validation, I suppose. 😉

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I have a capture somewhere of more than one dwarf repairing one of those. Will have to pull it up and see if total repair time is less than the 20 seconds with a single dwarf

EDIT: looks like I lost that vid with a recent data loss event, will have to test again 😔

bold plover Sep 21, 2021, 5:44 PM

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There are no values for Doretta that suggest that she gets repaired faster by more dwarves. I'm almost certain that this is intentional because it is a major part of the mission and being to out-repair the enemies that are damaging her (which can practically already happen with 1), would remove the "difficulty".

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That said, she does have different healing values based off of context.

wicked cave Sep 21, 2021, 5:50 PM

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Different healing values?

austere fossil Sep 21, 2021, 5:53 PM

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As in the size of the repair ticks. They're different depending on if she's currently taking damage or not, don't remember if there's other situations or not, though.

tender garnet Sep 21, 2021, 8:11 PM

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glacial topaz or you just check how many players are repairing, and adjust to it if the thing ...

Player knowledge

glacial topaz Sep 21, 2021, 8:12 PM

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that would be a bad source / too broad

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the video posted afterwards was a better example

wicked cave Sep 22, 2021, 12:22 AM

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so on the broken supply pod repair speed and whether multiple dwarves speed it up, I found this (BP_OldSupplyPod_Salvage.uasset):
"Properties": { "CoopUseMultiplier": 0.25, "Usable": true, "UseDuration": 20.0, "UseText": { "Namespace": "", "Key": "4DC4999A43745297A23D1BA2EB8C8E03", "SourceString": "Repair" },

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I assume CoopUseMultiplier is the key variable here for whether extra help makes repairs faster?

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I don't entirely know how to interpret that variable though.

bold plover Sep 22, 2021, 12:26 AM

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yes

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it is 25% faster per dwarf, up to twice as fast

wicked cave Sep 22, 2021, 12:27 AM

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is the game guaranteed to use that value, or can it choose to ignore it? (thinking back to the "ommoran rocks have weakpoints defined but the game doesn't use them" discussion)

bold plover Sep 22, 2021, 12:27 AM

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it works

wicked cave Sep 22, 2021, 12:28 AM

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cool, the data speaks then, thanks. guess 10 seconds is still a dang long time with an extra dwarf helping

bold plover Sep 22, 2021, 12:29 AM

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yeah and the chance of getting a supply or two is not ideal

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but overall it is not terrible since it is free

wicked cave Sep 22, 2021, 12:30 AM

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also interesting that there's references to O2 sources in the .uasset

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I wonder if they act as an O2 source in low oxygen modifiers (either repaired or unrepaired)

bold plover Sep 22, 2021, 12:31 AM

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they do in either state

low hamlet Sep 22, 2021, 3:15 AM

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@weary sonnet got some stuffs for ya


/* sticky header link styles */
.fandom-sticky-header a:link{
  color: #ffffff;
}

/* remove this style */
ul {
  list-style-image: ((URL));
}

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first one fixes the sticky header link being really weird when hovered over
the second is removing those bullet points on the dropdowns

low hamlet Sep 22, 2021, 11:55 AM

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oh yeah btw you want to remove the ul rule from the skin

weary sonnet Sep 22, 2021, 1:03 PM

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both should be done, I added the first part to common css and removed the ul rule from fandom css.

low hamlet Sep 22, 2021, 1:16 PM

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sweet 😎

acoustic scarab Sep 22, 2021, 1:44 PM

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Re: "PE spawn rates depend on how many aquarqs are deposited"
Does anyone have any recollection that it used to be the case, then was changed to a timer?

wary cove Sep 22, 2021, 1:45 PM

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It was never that way, it's just a myth that's stuck around since alpha

shell frigate Sep 22, 2021, 1:46 PM

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I assume myth came about from people throwing aquarqs to the minehead

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people just see them sitting there not deposited (as person throwing them does not want to/is not in a position to deposit them

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And just makes up a reason for this to be smart

acoustic scarab Sep 22, 2021, 1:47 PM

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The whole thread came from an incident when a greenbeard deposited after being told not to, and the host couldn't stand that and Alt+F4'd.

wary cove Sep 22, 2021, 1:49 PM

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The not depositing came about as a result of the myth, and then propogated it further as more people saw it. Since waves increase over time, and it takes more time to get larger amounts of aquarks together, people (incorrectly) connected the dots that it must be the deposited amounts causing it.

shell frigate Sep 22, 2021, 1:50 PM

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Think time between waves decreasing is it's own myth too

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It just seems to from waves being large and thus taking longer to get through

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And so less time till next wave just because of that

wary cove Sep 22, 2021, 1:53 PM

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That one is true I'm pretty sure, but idk for certain. It's generally regarded to be almost nonstop once you hit around the 30 minute mark and it's hard to tell. That's one to ask the devs to reconfirm/deny.

shell frigate Sep 22, 2021, 1:53 PM

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It has been tested with just a stopwatch between wave starts

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Though was a long time ago

acoustic scarab Sep 22, 2021, 1:54 PM

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One more thing to retest, then

shell frigate Sep 22, 2021, 1:54 PM

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I remember the whole issue with deep dives having one at the end was that it used the deep dive timer as the mission timer for the scaling

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Almost had a bet going of if people were complaining about the deep dive it had one at the end

short cloud Sep 22, 2021, 2:00 PM

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shell frigate Think time between waves decreasing is it's own myth too

It's been tested iirc

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and I should be able to find the topic about it if you need the timers

weary sonnet Sep 22, 2021, 2:22 PM

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If I remember correctly the test concluded that the time between waves was the same, but the small ambient waves became bigger with time (not more frequent, just more enemies) up to a point that the ambient waves spawn more enemies than the regular waves so it feels like there is a lot more waves since the ambient just add up to the normal one.

burnt sundial Sep 22, 2021, 2:25 PM

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you start not being able to kill them as fast as they spawn is all, and they like to move in lines and groups so you get a steady flow

short cloud Sep 22, 2021, 2:28 PM

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found the topic about it
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/ehqnfy/no_swarm_frequency_doesnt_increase_with_time_on/

r/DeepRockGalactic - No, Swarm Frequency Doesn't Increase With Time...

19 votes and 20 comments so far on Reddit

acoustic scarab Sep 22, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Mods that show enemy count might help us here

orchid jewel Sep 22, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Iirc a custom enemy counter mod comes with one

little locust Sep 22, 2021, 5:18 PM

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Well, now I know I'm not crazy when I'm at the end of a PE or Refining and the bugs just don't stop.

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I've learned a lot of stuff that would have drastically changed how I played and I've put 200 hours in already 😬

low hamlet Sep 22, 2021, 6:19 PM

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little locust Well, now I know I'm not crazy when I'm at the end of a PE or Refining and the b...

this is correct. there are "waves" that increase in rate as the mission goes on in pe and refinery

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not swarms. waves

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looks like we are slowly going to be able to edit mobile theme

orchid jewel Sep 22, 2021, 6:41 PM

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Woah. A good update

low hamlet Sep 22, 2021, 6:46 PM

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no custom css still

orchid jewel Sep 23, 2021, 11:03 AM

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Rev up that U35 page editing, cuz we've got a release date
(If we even add shit like that.)

low hamlet Sep 23, 2021, 11:13 AM

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we do

orchid jewel Sep 23, 2021, 11:20 AM

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Aight, cool. Id do it but i'll be damned if I edit on mobile

weary sonnet Sep 23, 2021, 11:33 AM

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Added the release date on the update page with a link to the twitter post.
P.S. took me while to figure out the format for the links now.

low hamlet Sep 23, 2021, 11:54 AM

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heh

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for external links it's a weird format tbf

floral drift Sep 24, 2021, 9:42 PM

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update regarding the Drills' speed. the way i had been measuring my movespeed while using Drills (via UUU) was flawed, and artificially added 0.34 m/sec to the actual values. when using Speedometer, it folows the intuitive 3 * 1.1 * MovementPenalty formula, no longer (0.1 + MovementPenalty). i'll go update the Wiki page.

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the flaw in how i was measuring speed was that when i pressed the Esc menu to pause the solo game, it released the Drills and as such the character started accelerating back up to 3 m/sec for one frame.

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 5:34 AM

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orchid jewel Sep 25, 2021, 5:46 AM

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thats..a lot of work, for very little imo

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 5:48 AM

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yeah i would say no to that as well

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if someone wants to do that on their own, sure. but doesnt really belong on the wiki

floral drift Sep 25, 2021, 6:12 AM

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agreed. that's something that "someone somewhere" can track on a Google Spreadsheet; it's not wiki-worthy info

orchid jewel Sep 25, 2021, 7:06 AM

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turtle got dunced 😔

short cloud Sep 25, 2021, 7:12 AM

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orchid jewel turtle got dunced 😔

Don't worry, it's for his own good 😛

orchid jewel Sep 25, 2021, 7:13 AM

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What did my mans do

short cloud Sep 25, 2021, 7:15 AM

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orchid jewel *What did my mans do*

he didn't go to sleep

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 1:11 PM

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yes

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welp got another icon to add to the invert list

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.theme-fandomdesktop-light img[data-image-key="Icons_Campaign.png"]

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wew that's.....really hard to look at on lightmode

analog rock Sep 25, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Css to make light mode dark ? Solves everything

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 1:24 PM

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i think that would be more work than just tweaking lightmode

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:p

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turns out there's a lot of white icons

acoustic scarab Sep 25, 2021, 1:37 PM

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How much work would giving all white icons a black outline be?

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 1:39 PM

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in css?

acoustic scarab Sep 25, 2021, 1:40 PM

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No, reupload the files, I guess

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The point is that the outline would blend with the dark theme and not be noticeable, but make icons visible with the light theme

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 1:43 PM

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acoustic scarab No, reupload the files, I guess

a ton of work

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download file
do whatever u need to do with it in an editing program
reupload it to wiki
either with html on the webpage or more custom css, have it display those icons only on lightmode

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just inverting them with css is gonna be significantly easier than doing that ^

acoustic scarab Sep 25, 2021, 1:46 PM

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Well no, point 4 is unnecessary if the border/outline is the color of dark theme background. But the rest I agree with

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It's going to be another maintenance procedure going forward, as any future icons won't be simply ripped from the game files, they'll have to be altered in the same way.

low hamlet Sep 25, 2021, 1:49 PM

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yep

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it'll be pretty simple since it's just a matter of adding it to the css

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what's going to be hard is finding all the icons that need to be converted

orchid jewel Sep 25, 2021, 10:10 PM

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does Friendly stack?

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as in if Im using friendly, and I fatboy my friend w/ friendly, does he take less damage than if just I where?

short cloud Sep 25, 2021, 10:12 PM

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orchid jewel does Friendly stack?

no

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 12:11 AM

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😔

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no negating fatboy

gilded arrow Sep 26, 2021, 12:29 AM

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Does anyone know if the Machine Event wiki page is still accurate when it says that they have a 25% chance of showing up it seems drastically lower than it used to

bold plover Sep 26, 2021, 12:38 AM

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It is.

gilded arrow Sep 26, 2021, 1:06 AM

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Any idea why the machine events seem so much less common as of lately then?

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Been playing missions where they have the opportunity to spawn and across probably 15+ missions just got my first one since playing again

bold plover Sep 26, 2021, 1:10 AM

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RNG

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 2:38 AM

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gilded arrow Any idea why the machine events seem so much less common as of lately then?

DRG has unique RNG in that its ACTUALLY RNG. theres no bias, it rolls and it says yes, or it says no.
this is why sometimes you get bulks back to back, and sometimes you dont see one for months

rancid crest Sep 26, 2021, 2:40 AM

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And then sometimes the game dumps 2 bulks + crasus in top of your drilldozer Sconk

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 2:41 AM

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as it should.

gilded arrow Sep 26, 2021, 2:54 AM

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Just seemed like I got them way more frequently when I played a couple patches ago

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Not just me either a couple friends have only gotten 1 or 2 in 15-20 missions as well

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 4:07 AM

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feeling doesnt change the facts, and ive learned to trust McB on things, besides, he'll hit me with facts and logic from the files otherwise

acoustic scarab Sep 26, 2021, 7:13 AM

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Which is exactly why, when I see something that seems to defy "bad luck with RNG", I collect data over weeks of play so that argument can't be used against me :3

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Can't have bad RNG 20 times in a row 😏

acoustic scarab Sep 26, 2021, 1:32 PM

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This should be fun to test

analog rock Sep 26, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Axe in the air was true in U34

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Didn't try with volatile though

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 2:43 PM

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axes deal Melee+Explosive(?)
I can infer from that alone it likely would set it off, if not the 'impact', the explosion after would.

austere fossil Sep 26, 2021, 3:00 PM

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Does the explosion still happen if you can pick them up afterwards?

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 3:01 PM

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The axe or the Charge?

austere fossil Sep 26, 2021, 3:07 PM

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The axe. That "hit the C4 midair with an axe to make it float" trick lets you pick the axe back up.

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 3:08 PM

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It should, i cant imagine the charge would use up the axe if breaking goddamn terrain with it doesnt lmao

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oh wait i see what your talking about now

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Uh- not sure? Thats something we'd need to test if we tried to test this

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im betting it does, i think the explosion damage and what little aoe i recall the axe having happens when you heart that impact noise

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so if the axe connects, it should, right?

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 6:12 PM

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are we sure the solo dread thing is still true? Ive got two people in #bug-discussion saying it happens to them commnly

bold plover Sep 26, 2021, 6:15 PM

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I've gotten them a good bit on solo launched missions.

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 6:15 PM

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so should we,

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i dont know

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update the wiki?

bold plover Sep 26, 2021, 6:16 PM

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Like a couple of days ago I got a table Dreadnought in solo in U34.5

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 6:16 PM

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yeah, im changing the dreadnought wave thing

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can you give me a percentage to change it to?

bold plover Sep 26, 2021, 6:17 PM

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Not for a while, not even sure where it is stored if it wasn't determined by multiple missions and weighing the chances.

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None of the wave things that I dumped in-game gave the %s.

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 6:18 PM

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piss. alright. I'll just change it to

"Unknown %s, but can happen" or something, just so the wiki is that little bit more accurate

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fixed, made sure to somehow break 17 and a half other links all across the wiki for turtle to hunt down and fix-
Nah, im jokin. but I did update the swarm and rig page (Updated the rig page to reflect 17th of 87 rigs)

acoustic scarab Sep 26, 2021, 8:05 PM

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In think someone posted some bits from the game files, and they say 1% for a dread wave?

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I have recorded stats for a couple hundred missions and I've gotten one dread wave there, so that checks out

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 8:06 PM

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yes, its 1% but they said it wasnt possible on solo

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which, as McB has just stated, and the two people in #bug-discussion, happens to be false

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unless there is some very specific and reoccurring bug

acoustic scarab Sep 26, 2021, 8:08 PM

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I had my dread at a Point Extraction and I can provide a screencap for anyone in doubt

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(and by that I mean a screencap of MC announcing a dread as my solo Scout is staring at an aquarq)

orchid jewel Sep 26, 2021, 8:11 PM

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"i sure wish molly was here to hold my rocks and stone.." -the scout

orchid jewel Sep 28, 2021, 11:41 AM

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<@&296918282403840000> im kinda sad people keep fallin for this shit

low hamlet Sep 28, 2021, 11:44 AM

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free stuff monke brain click click and boom

acoustic scarab Sep 28, 2021, 9:58 PM

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The multiplier to minerals eaten upon lootbug death is +50%, right?

orchid jewel Sep 28, 2021, 9:58 PM

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let me check

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I know McB has said it a few times

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yes

acoustic scarab Sep 28, 2021, 9:59 PM

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Ok thanks

orchid jewel Sep 28, 2021, 10:09 PM

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might i ask what for?

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:18 AM

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Hey there- have an assortment of questions- rumor control sorts of things... looking for confirm/ deny of mechanics, and cites for same as they can be found. Thanks ahead of time for any who can chime in with data over anecdote!

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Driller: There were changes to Heat/Cold Radiance...? Is listed as 5m on the weapon, 3m elsewhere...

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also, do either radiance now cause damage, or still just temp inccrease/ decrease...?

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:21 AM

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check the wiki first, game stats sometimes are just cosmetic

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:21 AM

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-IFG- I hear it does buff everyone's damage- does is also buff the cold dam from the zukov ice mines...?

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@glacial topaz already did that- did find mismatched data- is why im here now...

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:22 AM

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There was a mismatch within the wiki?

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Or are you talking about the word-for-word copies of the in-game descriptions?

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(which are wrong)

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:23 AM

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yeah, cold Radiance is listed as 5m on the weapon, yet listed as 3m elswhere

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:23 AM

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by check wiki first I meant wiki takes priority lol

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:23 AM

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was just chatting in DRG Chat about this

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:23 AM

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and it usually points out when it is wrong in game

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:24 AM

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e.g.

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:24 AM

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~~Also- am hearing that radiance does damage~~ (edit) its not "damage" it just the temp change influence

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 AM

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Now you're just pulling our chain

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 AM

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well, yes, temperature damage, doesn't affect HP

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 AM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752453022658854914/892560871899955240/unknown.png

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@austere fossil ~~so look, here it is listed differntly~~ bad link, and I didn't see the data correctly

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:26 AM

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Different from in-game? Yes, because in-game is incorrect

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Please realize we are both linking to wiki

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:27 AM

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Or do you mean this?

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I guess this needs added to the details section, too?

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 12:29 AM

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i'll just answer the question directly:

Heat Radiance does Fire-element Area Damage and Heat in a 3m radius around the player
Cold Radiance does only Cold; no Frost-element damage at all, in a 4m radius

IFG does not affect Temperature "damage" from any source; it only affects Damage that would affect the enemy's healthbar

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:29 AM

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hidden sky Please realize we are both linking to wiki

oof, now someone is saying its 4m...?!?

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sooo, is it 3m, 4m /~~or 5m...?~~ in-game is wrong

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:30 AM

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Where are you getting 3m from?

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The minimum radius?

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 12:30 AM

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they're different. i literally cannot explain it in more plain terms than i already have. Heat Radiance -> 3m, Cold Radiance -> 4m

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neither of them are 5m, the in-game tooltips are wrong

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:31 AM

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that was said 3 times :s

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:31 AM

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Im only referencing the wiki- none the game tips

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 12:32 AM

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ok, so to make sure it's clear: you understand the answers that have been given, and are no longer asking the same question. you're now turning attention to critiquing how the Wiki displays those answers, correct?

bold plover Sep 29, 2021, 12:32 AM

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I thought Mike said they are 5m but the max damage radius is only between 3 and 4 depending on weapon?

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:32 AM

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No. I am asking for the link to the cite so i can understand

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:32 AM

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You posted an image of the Cold Radiance one

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Do you want the Area Damage page?

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For an explanation of what the different radii mean?

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:34 AM

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Reading now

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Im looking at "Max Damage radius" vs "Radius" don't get why those are different. [edit] Understood now- the aoe falloff mechanic applies to cold radiance in the last meter.

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 12:36 AM

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because Devs wanted it to be like that, for balance reasons

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:36 AM

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Then yup, that's what the Area Damage page is for https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Area_Damage

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Area Damage

Area Damage is, as its name implies, any type of damage being dealt in an area. The damage done in that area may not be the same everywhere. For most weapons, more damage will be done near the center than at the edges. The damage done isn’t affected by what is inside that area and will remain the same no matter the number of enemies.

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:36 AM

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so... what's happening in that last 1m...?

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:37 AM

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It's how the game handles falloff

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full damage within the Max Damage radius, then less as you approach the Radius

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and Minimum Area Damage at the Radius

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:38 AM

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I understood only AoE explosive is subject to radius falloff.... that status effects did have not falloff

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like- NTP is applied at full stregth at full radius

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:39 AM

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Ah, but you aren't applying a status directly like NTP is

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NTP is just on/off

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Whereas Frozen depends on the enemy's Temperature

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Think of it like a second healthbar

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That you "damage" with Cold

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And that which can be "healed" by Heat, or just passively after a bit

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:40 AM

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However, im trying to focus on hot/cold radiance.... So what is the distance that the mechanic procs...? What im hearing is... [edit] CR will proc within *4m... while heat radiance will proc within *3m.

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 12:41 AM

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floral drift i'll just answer the question directly: Heat Radiance does Fire-element Area Da...

the other way around.

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:41 AM

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alrighty then

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Next question

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Does IFG increase how much cold the Zuk ice minelettes apply cold

austere fossil Sep 29, 2021, 12:42 AM

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floral drift i'll just answer the question directly: Heat Radiance does Fire-element Area Da...

No

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 12:42 AM

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please, please, please read my message.

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i answered both your questions

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 12:43 AM

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@floral drift Please be aware i am replying, and reading, more than just you.

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:01 AM

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Alright- This was interesting. My take away so far is that any data listed in-game is the most unreliable- with the wiki data as close to current build as possible. -So Cold Radiance will "tic" once per second for a full 60 cold inside of 3m.... with some falloff cold (25% min listed?) happening in the last meter out to 4m. That sound about right?

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:07 AM

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*lots of falloff

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between 3 and 4m away it drops from 60 to 15

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:09 AM

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75% is a significant drop, yes. Seem like for play purposes to just expect that the effective radius is the 3m.... since there is no aoe increase for that weaponry mod

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:10 AM

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grunts still freeze in a single tick up until 3.66m away

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:11 AM

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your saying a single tic of 15 cold will freeze a grunt..? what haz?

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:11 AM

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?

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The dropoff isn't instant

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:11 AM

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~~3.66m would be the 25%~~ Ah, inside the last meter the cold is droping from 100% to 25% at max radius.

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:12 AM

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No

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:12 AM

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ELI5

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:12 AM

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It only does 25% at the 4m mark exactly

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:12 AM

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ahhhhh... i gather that would be consistent with all other aoe mechanics published.

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:12 AM

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the damage drops linearly between 100% and whatever the minimum is in the area between the maximum dmg and minimum dmg

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3m + 0.66m to fall to 30 in this case

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:13 AM

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Was this a change made recently? or has this mechanic been the same since 1.0 release?

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:13 AM

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been around for years

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:16 AM

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Figures. Hear lots of wacky anecdotes evetime im on- always wonder if ive missed some patch notes or other changes over the years.

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 1:17 AM

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the game has just always been jank

burnt sundial Sep 29, 2021, 1:18 AM

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that's part of the fun - no one really knows what's happening, and definitely no one knows why

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:19 AM

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eh, players anecdotes are far more janky. just like any other game- Although this community is pretty good about spreading more correct cites over opinions, tho... trick seems to be using terms we all agree on.

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Some players like to know how things work under the hood.... and some of us that do, have to rely on others who know how to expose the code mechanics ;p

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Appreciate everyone's help, RnS!

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... thought there was another cold/temp status effect called "frost".... cant find it now

burnt sundial Sep 29, 2021, 1:39 AM

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frost is the damage isn't it

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 1:40 AM

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iirc yeah, its like Heat and flame or whatever

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it was probably changed at the same time we changed that because its confusing and inconsistant

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 1:46 AM

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(still cant find cite to "frost")

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Wait... is "frost" the ice that forms on terrain from the CC...? Seems like that stuff is cooling/ slowing glyphids also...

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 2:08 AM

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Frost just seems to be the internal name for the status

hidden sky Sep 29, 2021, 2:09 AM

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still cant find "frost" anywhere on the wiki. Tis a bummer.

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 2:30 AM

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Does the wiki not display min/max temperature

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I could’ve sworn ely specifically mentioned going out of their way to mine that info but I cant find it referenced anywhere on the wiki

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Unless its there and not visible to mobile display mode Sconk

wicked cave Sep 29, 2021, 2:32 AM

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Yeah I think it was tricky to access in the new infoboxes

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Seems like that’d be really noticeable on salvage if it were the case

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 2:34 AM

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wicked cave Yeah I think it was tricky to access in the new infoboxes

Can you grab me a screenshot of grunt’s max temp

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requesting desktop view on mobile doesnt appear to work…

wicked cave Sep 29, 2021, 2:34 AM

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Sadly I am also on mobile

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At least at the moment

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(Desktop view kinda worked for me on mobile safari)

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I don’t see a max temp

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Hmm

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Odd

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@weary sonnet hi is the min/max temp for enemies available anymore

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 2:50 AM

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I think the burn and freeze is max temp

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 3:07 AM

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it is not
those are completely different stats, different purposes
now how much they differ is a whole other issue

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 3:49 AM

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Dread has their max temp set to 100 while their burn temp is 1000

burnt sundial Sep 29, 2021, 4:38 AM

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what a cool mechanic! Can it be removed

floral drift Sep 29, 2021, 7:46 AM

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i remember that Omega Sentinel mentioned the Drills have a "strat" page. where is it? does Korlok have a similar one?

the reason i ask: i saw on the subreddit that igniting Korlok Sprouts prevents them from shooting while they're Burning, and i confirmed it for myself tonight. my initial thought was to put it on the Korlok page itself, but from OS's message i figured i should ask if Korlok has a strat page already.

acoustic scarab Sep 29, 2021, 9:55 AM

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orchid jewel might i ask what for?

Fighting ~~windmills~~ ignorance on Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/pxbt77/loot_bug_question/

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 10:31 AM

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floral drift i remember that Omega Sentinel mentioned the Drills have a "strat" page. where i...

Think he means the tips and tricks page

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 11:30 AM

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Afaik none of the pages have a "strats" page. They have a section on the tips and tricks.

Now i dont recall off hand SEEING anything last time i editted the tips and tricks to fix spelling errors, but the drills probably got a segment
As should the korlok

weary sonnet Sep 29, 2021, 12:06 PM

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rancid crest <@88687704232951808> hi is the min/max temp for enemies available anymore

It is not for now, I have a couple values, but most of them are missing and will need testing.
I started gathering again the creatures stats now that I have some free time again, but it will take some time to have them all, like 50h+ of work to fill it all.
I can move the min/max temperature up in the list a bit, but it will still take me a while to test that up.

wicked cave Sep 29, 2021, 12:19 PM

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What does the workflow look like for that kind of research? Are the values for such things available directly via datamining, or do you have to spawn each creature and test/observe?

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 12:20 PM

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A mix of both with Ely and McB

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Ely modded a giant grunt into the game to test armor breaking once, but also just rips numbers occasionally

wicked cave Sep 29, 2021, 12:22 PM

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Just seems like the data for static stats on bugs should be somewhere in the pak file in a mineable format, but maybe it’s not that simple.

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 12:22 PM

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The game is weird. Youd be surprised. i know i am

wicked cave Sep 29, 2021, 12:23 PM

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Because wouldn’t it be awesome to make an automated workflow to extract that data, transform it, and spit out the right wiki markup for every bug on every update

weary sonnet Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 PM

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For the min/max temperature it needs to be tested with a mix of mods (weapon with modded damage type and value), cheat engine and spawned creatures.
For most of the other values it is with a console, command lines and spawned creatures.
And a few in game tests as well to check for creatures immune to stuff like lure, pheromone or such, these can be done just using spawn menu mod.

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 12:25 PM

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Oh so the game does have a console? Piss.

weary sonnet Sep 29, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Not natively

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 12:26 PM

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Need to tell that guy in #bug-discussion

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Nevermind then

weary sonnet Sep 29, 2021, 12:28 PM

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Some of the values can be find in the files directly, but for creatures there is a lot of stats that are inherited/default value, so it can be a mess to figure it out with just data mining.

acoustic scarab Sep 29, 2021, 2:24 PM

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That means that mods that increase lootbug speed by 20 times should probably be categorised as sandbox since they could potentially increase mineral payout by 1.5 🤔

orchid jewel Sep 29, 2021, 3:03 PM

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you stop that right now yoshkin

weary sonnet Sep 29, 2021, 3:07 PM

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Well the lootbugs may be fast to move, they still take quite a long time to eat from what I remember.

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We wondered at some point if it was worth it to let the lootbug eat the mineral to get more, iirc the answer was that even with the mod it would be faster to just do another mission most of the time.

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 6:39 PM

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Moving faster shouldnt decrease the cooldown on eating anyway, so its not like its a particularly notable increase?

glacial topaz Sep 29, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Gets faster to new chunks

analog rock Sep 29, 2021, 10:56 PM

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weary sonnet We wondered at some point if it was worth it to let the lootbug eat the mineral ...

I'd say the only case in which it's worth it to let lootbugs eat minerals is the refinery, because of the shear amount of them around, and the long set up time.
I'll always pop three or four of them right after the landing to generate chunks, then let the test of the map's worth of lootbugs come and eat. Harvest before you leave, and voila

rancid crest Sep 29, 2021, 11:06 PM

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point extraction or refinery with a machine event/treasure room

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set off a few TCFs and then all the lootbugs will gradually meander their way to the room

bold plover Sep 29, 2021, 11:58 PM

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So, I finally found the weighted chances for minerals per mission type.

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Point Extraction

Nitra veins are guaranteed and max Nitra is 500-500 total.
Compressed Gold is guaranteed to spawn 1 and 50/50 to spawn another?  This one was not clear.
Err Cube is 1/25, max of 1.
Bittergem is 1/20, max of 1.

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Going to mess with the weightings and see what happens.

rancid crest Sep 30, 2021, 12:09 AM

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PE always spawns exactly 500 nitra?

bold plover Sep 30, 2021, 12:10 AM

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According to MissionType_Motherlode, yes.

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floral drift Sep 30, 2021, 12:11 AM

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500 nitra sounds wrong. i typically get (Length + Complexity) * 80 Nitra each mission, up to (L + C + 1) * 80 + 40. following that guideline, i would expect as low as 400 for 7 aquarqs, or up to 600 for 10 aquarqs.

also, i'm very skeptical of "1 Compressed Gold every PE"

bold plover Sep 30, 2021, 12:12 AM

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Yeah, there are likely other factors at play.

trail gust Sep 30, 2021, 8:59 AM

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does Xynarch get x3 vulnerability after getting enough cold damage?

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just saw video with Xynarch taking x3 damage from jumbo shells after getting hit with cryo nade

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wiki and Elythnwaen's table say it's immune to freeze

weary sonnet Sep 30, 2021, 10:15 AM

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I need to recheck the freeze immunity, I was not aware of the fact that some creature still could take ×3 damage without being visually frozen last time I did it.
So you can take it as "can still move when freezen" rather than "freeze immunity" for now.

marsh osprey Sep 30, 2021, 10:16 AM

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Shell backs should be like that, I think...?

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Has anyone got proof of that?

weary sonnet Sep 30, 2021, 10:20 AM

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I tested it on shellback and lootbugs.

trail gust Sep 30, 2021, 11:31 AM

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also it explains why Ice Storm is so good vs BET-C

orchid jewel Sep 30, 2021, 11:30 PM

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makes me wonder what other things are frozen but not solid

weary sonnet Oct 1, 2021, 10:21 AM

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Based on old data:
Creatures with freeze immunity so far (not sure if they could be freezed or not since I don’t have full data yet)
Naedocyte roe, Q’ronar Youngling, Q’ronar Shellback, Korlok Tyrant-Weed, Carnivorous Larva, BET-C, LootBugs
(it was fixed for lootbugs I think)
I am updating the data for the current patch, testing weird/bugged resistances for now, not yet to the temperature part.

trail gust Oct 1, 2021, 11:58 AM

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iirc Flying Rock gets triple damage too but doesn't stop moving

wicked cave Oct 1, 2021, 3:04 PM

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I know it’s old data, but I could swear I’ve frozen Naedocyte roe recently. Lootbugs can definitely be frozen. Will have to retest

floral drift Oct 1, 2021, 4:31 PM

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i know this is an old topic, but i just proved that IFG multiplies DoT damage.

using M1000 build ACB-A + Electrocuting Focus Shots, it would kill a Slasher if the 48 DoT damage was affected by IFG.

Slasher eHP on Haz4+ = 148 * 1.2 = 177.6
Base Focus Shot Damage in IFG = 55 * 1.75 * 1.3 = 125.125
Focus Shot + DoT = 173.125
Focus Shot + DoT * IFG = 187.525

2/2 tests, Slasher died in IFG from the DoT. as such, i believe that i have sufficiently demonstrated that IFG does indeed affect DoTs' damage, as people had previously speculated.

fathom crag Oct 1, 2021, 5:09 PM

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bold plover Point Extraction ```Gold veins are guaranteed and max Gold is between 100-150 to...

if this ends up being right, PE could be the single best mode for quick money

bold plover Oct 1, 2021, 5:10 PM

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No idea if it is, that is just what is listed in the files and my interpretation of it.

floral drift Oct 1, 2021, 6:31 PM

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@bold plover following up on this thread: i'm working on updating my DPS Calc's tooltip for the Burning Status Effect, and i want to make sure that i'm using the right numbers.

On Fire Status Effect (aka "Burning"):

Takes 6 Fire-element Damage per tick, tick interval ranges from 0.3 sec to 0.5 sec
Does 5 Fire-element Damage and 5 Heat to nearby enemies per tick, tick interval ranges from 0.25 sec to 0.5 sec

is that correct?

bold plover Oct 1, 2021, 6:31 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

rancid crest Oct 1, 2021, 8:15 PM

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wait being on fire dmgs other nearby enemies too? wut

bold plover Oct 1, 2021, 8:24 PM

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Yes.

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Uh, I have some extra info pertaining to the impact axe damage "phases".

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Bounce Damage:

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Full Damage:

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Small Shit Damage: (Yes, that is the actual name.)

rancid crest Oct 1, 2021, 9:43 PM

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bold plover Bounce Damage:

What is this 75 bounce damage from?

glacial topaz Oct 1, 2021, 11:36 PM

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axe damaged was checked some time ago, and on wiki already
what I remember is some parts are used, some aren't
did it change ? didn't hear anything about that since last time

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 4:09 AM

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That sounds spaghetti as hell

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 11:33 AM

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For the impact axe, I couldn’t find any evidence of the 75 bounce damage working in game vs creatures.
And yes this is spaguetti as hell, that much is sure.

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As for the on fire question, taking it privately as the test result were weird to say the least so it could take a while to explain it.

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 3:07 PM

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how does breaking environmental hazards work?

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specifically stuff that acts like a stationary enemy like electro-crystals, elevator plants, everything in biozone

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do they all have an invisible hp pool or is it based on pickaxe hits or what

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 3:08 PM

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They have a fix amount of health that usually don’t scale with hazard level.

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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any chance the bounce damage on impact axes is for that, then? cuz don't axes bounce off when they hit environmental hazards despite dealing dmg to them?

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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It is possible.

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They health of plants and such uses a different component than the health for most creature.

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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also is the hp of this stuff listed somewhere on the wiki?

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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SimpleHealthComponent vs EnemyHealthComponent.

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It should be at the bottom of each biome section.

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 3:10 PM

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?

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biome section?

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 3:12 PM

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I know someone ask the hp value at some point to add it in the biome features part, but not sure if it was kept there or not.

rancid crest Oct 2, 2021, 3:12 PM

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it is not

weary sonnet Oct 2, 2021, 3:16 PM

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This is the only place where it could be afaik.
If you want some specific values I can dig them up again.
The short explaination about biome feature is this:

Some stuff like coral and big cristals act like terrain and just need a specific number of pickake hits to be broken (and can have a multiplier to the area broken per hit).
Most of the other stuff just have a fix hp pool (like puffer, ping pong ball, most trees, electrocrystals…).
Some specific biome features like spider webs have an hp pool with a set resistance and are invulnerable to non defined resistances.

glacial topaz Oct 2, 2021, 4:05 PM

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So any work update on biome features ??

low hamlet Oct 2, 2021, 4:19 PM

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i might be able to do it this weekend

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but probably not

glacial topaz Oct 2, 2021, 4:21 PM

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wasn't there someone that was going to check the features in game ? hollow bough and azure weald more specifically
they seemed so excited to have something to do, but didn't hear any progress reports

wicked cave Oct 3, 2021, 3:48 PM

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When browsing mods, I came across https://drg.mod.io/ike which has a link to this spreadsheet that the mod author made:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1ygMn4sHAx0jvgRK0qa9LAOIcETnznkh1MtVLgsfu0ik/edit#gid=0

It claims to show various game data for the hazard levels in vanilla, along with extra rows for the hazards that had been modded in.

I see very interesting and potentially useful data for Haz 1 through Haz 5.5 in the third table (rows 30-42) that I don't see in the wiki. I'm curious if any of our usual data miners have verified this data.

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Here's a snippet of the table in question as an image:
(Unverified - posting as an inquiry)

glacial topaz Oct 3, 2021, 3:57 PM

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data was already known, but doesn't make sense to include on the wiki, as just throwing stuff without explanation ain't much what happens
the interval part is already in since a long time since it was explained how it works
for the rest I don't remember, but it is a per case analysis for what to include and where, and how

wicked cave Oct 3, 2021, 3:59 PM

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ok. so it sounds like the data is likely valid, but considered "too much" for the hazard scaling page?

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as a player, I found it fascinating to understand the mechanics of why some maps seem to have a lot more bugs, for example

glacial topaz Oct 3, 2021, 4:00 PM

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the difference is that scaling page is clear on what the things listed are doing
that table would need more explanation on what it actually means
and learning , not even sure we know fully how the numbers works

wicked cave Oct 3, 2021, 4:01 PM

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makes sense, I agree that the table by itself wouldn't be that useful, would need some explaining

bold plover Oct 6, 2021, 3:19 AM

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I assume that just DMG_Electric itself does not have an electrocution chance?

rancid crest Oct 6, 2021, 4:00 AM

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As in the damage type? Any reason why it would have a built in electrocution chance?

marsh osprey Oct 6, 2021, 6:32 AM

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Bc it is electric dmg lol

floral drift Oct 6, 2021, 6:38 AM

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bold plover I assume that just DMG_Electric itself does not have an electrocution chance?

to the best of my understanding, yes that is correct. DMG_Electric should not have an associated chance to inflict any Electrocute status effect by means of being Electric-element.

however, as we just learned about the Burn status effect, we don't know everything yet. as such, i can't say it with 100% certainty.

weary sonnet Oct 6, 2021, 10:32 AM

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bold plover I assume that just DMG_Electric itself does not have an electrocution chance?

I can confirm that it doesn’t have a build in electrocution chance.
BC and EPC both have some DMG_Electric and neither of them infict a status by default.

tranquil hazel Oct 6, 2021, 11:50 AM

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wiki drg>normal wiki

rancid crest Oct 6, 2021, 1:46 PM

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floral drift to the best of my understanding, yes that is correct. DMG_Electric should not ha...

what's this about the burn status effect?

floral drift Oct 6, 2021, 2:57 PM

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rancid crest what's this about the burn status effect?

for a while we knew that Burning enemies became Heat sources and we knew the radius of the Heat they produced, but we had no concept of how much heat or how often it happened.

Banagement used his U32 build and told us that it did 5 Fire-element Damage and 5 Heat every 0.25-0.5 sec, Elyth said that his testing indicated that it was 5 Heat every 1 sec, and no one could figure out a definitive way to test it.

only yesterday we finally heard from Dagadegatto that it's 5 Heat, with a tick interval ranging from 0.9-1.1 sec. so, even though we were dancing around the right numbers, it still came down to needing a dev to look in the game editor. just an example of the limitations of the tools and methods available to us as users.

tranquil hazel Oct 6, 2021, 11:07 PM

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is there a meta scout build

glacial topaz Oct 6, 2021, 11:15 PM

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never ever heard about metas for anything on DRG
-might be easier if you give more details on what you are struggling with, so people can help with details

low hamlet Oct 6, 2021, 11:16 PM

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tranquil hazel is there a meta scout build

there aren't really metas per se in drg
ask in #drg-chat for build recommendations

tranquil hazel Oct 7, 2021, 12:35 PM

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sometimes when i click my gun doesnt fire, is that a setting or am i losing it

short cloud Oct 7, 2021, 12:36 PM

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tranquil hazel sometimes when i click my gun doesnt fire, is that a setting or am i losing it

#bug-discussion

tranquil hazel Oct 7, 2021, 12:37 PM

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nice

indigo kindle Oct 9, 2021, 1:30 PM

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Alright, I've gone ahead and did some testing to prove Hyper Propellant converts both Direct and AoE damage to Disintegrate. To show this off, I need to kill Praetorians as Disintegrate damage disables their death cloud.

Setup: Haz 3 solo game. On this difficulty Praetorians have exactly 600 HP. I need to have Hyper Propellant (I play with CVO so I have 380 direct + 110 AoE damage). That's 490 damage combined, I have Armour Breaking to ensure I don't have to aim for the weakspot to finish the Praetorian off. This leaves me to pick up Warthog at 66 damage per shot (Stubby's electrocution chance ruins consistent testing), and I need to hit the Praetorian twice to get him to the desired threshold, which is killing the Praetorian with the AoE damage portion of Hyper Prop. 600-132=468, which is exactly what I need to demonstrate the effect.

Test conditions: load up a Mining Expedition, send Bosco to light up the cave overhead, boot Spawn Menu mod and pick a normal Praetorian. Repeat a few times to see if it's consistent.

Expected result if the Wiki is to be believed: killing the Praetorian with the AoE portion of the Hyper Prop will spawn a death cloud because it's not converted to Disintegrate.

Expected result if my CVO Test Squad vets are to be believed: the death cloud will not spawn if the Praetorian is killed via AoE damage of Hyper Prop.

Simulation: I killed 6 Praetorians by running up to them, triggering a breath attack, hitting them twice with Warthog in the abdomen and then unloading HP. Direct damage of the HP PGL wasn't enough to finish them off by itself, and in all cases it was the AoE damage that scored the killing blow. None of them spawned a toxic cloud on death.

Explanation: the in-game files for Hyper Propellant indicate that the OC has a bonus effect which converts weapon damage to Disintegrate. That file only tells the game to convert all damage dealt to Disintegrate, and doesn't separate Direct and AoE.

rancid crest Oct 9, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Wouldnt shooting a 2player haz1 oppressor prove the same thing

indigo kindle Oct 9, 2021, 1:37 PM

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I don't have teammates to test with atm.

rancid crest Oct 9, 2021, 1:37 PM

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Oh

indigo kindle Oct 9, 2021, 1:38 PM

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And you can't exactly set hp scaling per player (adding dummy teammates when GSG?), so it's solo or bust for me.

rancid crest Oct 9, 2021, 1:38 PM

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A haz 2 1p oppressor with 2 aoe dmg mods works too
edit: needs spiky nade too

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Does 595 dmg total vs 585 hp w 66% explosion resistance

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I think?

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I woke up like 5 minutes ago though so my confidence in those numbers isnt very high right now

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in case anyone was curious, the above setup does in fact kill the oppressor in 1 shot with no gas cloud

low hamlet Oct 9, 2021, 3:25 PM

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when you say like do you mean kill?

rancid crest Oct 9, 2021, 4:06 PM

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...yes engi

floral drift Oct 9, 2021, 4:47 PM

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good testing, GreyHound, thanks!

however, i think that Hyper Propellant was already documented as converting all damage to Disintegrate-element because of how it bypasses the Incendiary Compound reduction. at the very least, i had my DPSCalc use Disintegrate AoE in the Breakpoints method for PGL when HP was equipped.

but, it's good to have it experimentally proven rocknstone

short cloud Oct 9, 2021, 5:13 PM

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could be nice to add that to the wiki then 👌

rancid crest Oct 9, 2021, 5:46 PM

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HP bypasses incendiary?

austere fossil Oct 9, 2021, 5:47 PM

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Yes, free* heat damage
*no armor breaking though

acoustic scarab Oct 9, 2021, 6:37 PM

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During the weekly core assignment, the first mission should award something at any stage in the game, right?

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As in, a blank core should have a message on the screen saying "you got a blank core", I assume?

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I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or not:

short cloud Oct 9, 2021, 6:44 PM

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acoustic scarab I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or not:

this is a bug

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the window should open up and display the blank core reward and all AFAIK

floral drift Oct 9, 2021, 6:47 PM

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acoustic scarab I'm trying to figure out if this is a bug or not:

this is a screenshot from the Weekly Priority Assignment. look at the top middle of the screen.

short cloud Oct 9, 2021, 6:50 PM

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oh well, problem solved. Also, we're both blind

acoustic scarab Oct 9, 2021, 7:45 PM

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Welp

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 10:56 AM

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https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/q5gs9c/do_maggots_and_other_neutral_mobs_grant_any_xp/?utm_source=ifttt

r/DeepRockGalactic - do maggots and other neutral mobs grant any xp?

3 votes and 4 comments so far on Reddit

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An answer to this might be worth mentioning on the XP page

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(I don't actually know the answer, though)

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groan

low hamlet Oct 11, 2021, 11:20 AM

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that's a myth right?

short cloud Oct 11, 2021, 12:04 PM

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low hamlet that's a myth right?

it is

shell frigate Oct 11, 2021, 12:53 PM

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Elythnwaen Tested all mining methods on the same vein (via Deep Dives) and always got the same yield

weary sonnet Oct 11, 2021, 1:00 PM

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I tested direct mining with pickaxe, indirect mining (mining around it), mining via weapons that can carve, C4, TCF, bosco (and vanilla/modded PoG as well while I was at it to check their values).
And I tested mining with bulk in another test later, same yield too.

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The only missing test I can think of was via any ennemy digging attack, but I don’t think it is worth doing since there is no evidence of mineral being lost so far.

shell frigate Oct 11, 2021, 1:04 PM

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Yeah the only yield loss with Oil Shale was very short lived, I doubt there is any others

rancid crest Oct 11, 2021, 1:29 PM

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<@&296918282403840000> phishing link

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Huh, do the bots dodge #drg-chat now?

short cloud Oct 11, 2021, 1:33 PM

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rancid crest Huh, do the bots dodge <#257785731072786435> now?

apparently

bold plover Oct 11, 2021, 4:19 PM

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The only loss is with rounding and I did the same tests as Ely.

low hamlet Oct 11, 2021, 4:42 PM

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short cloud apparently

interesting

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 6:00 PM

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I'm throwing together a very barebones version right now

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 7:03 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Common_Misconceptions

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Common Misconceptions

Common Misconceptions - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

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It's in the Mechanics category, along with Fear, Fall Damage, etc.

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No links or introduction, I'll leave that to someone else (or future me who has more time)

short cloud Oct 11, 2021, 7:07 PM

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acoustic scarab I'm throwing together a very barebones version right now

great to hear

indigo kindle Oct 11, 2021, 7:38 PM

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Last misconception on the list is actually perfectly true - Glacial Strata enemy variants have weakness to Fire damage and resist Cold damage.

short cloud Oct 11, 2021, 7:40 PM

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but you're talking about the damage type, right ?

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 7:42 PM

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Ah, you must be talking about the global modifier for all GS enemies

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That I read about once somewhere and could never find it again

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Then it is indeed more nuanced than how I described

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I don't know if their fire resistance only affects direct damage from flames, or it also applies to how much heat they take

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In the former case, my point still holds, and they take more direct damage but less DoT from burning

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In the latter case the special temperature effects might cancel each other out, I'm too tired to math or test

weary sonnet Oct 11, 2021, 8:21 PM

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Swarmers, grunt, slasher, guard variants have -25% fire resistance and +25% frost resistance and glacial strata.
As for the temperature stat, it is more confusing, but in general they are harder to freeze and cool down faster making the fire dot last less time which could lead to less damage from the burn dot.

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 8:27 PM

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Which is exactly what I put on the myth page

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It just has to be qualified by adding that it's not universally true for all units

weary sonnet Oct 11, 2021, 8:29 PM

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That part is the biggest part of the myth indeed.

floral drift Oct 11, 2021, 8:49 PM

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regarding the last point (Flamethrower vs Glacial variant enemies): while the Burn DoT duration may be lower, their x1.25 Fire-element Damage and x0.75 Frost-element Damage multipliers mean that Cryo Cannon will have its DPS reduced from 48 to 36, but Flamethrower's DPS will increase from 66 to 82.5. that doesn't even account for the Burn DoT's DPS (+25%), or Sticky Flame's DPS (also +25%).

in conclusion, i don't think that "Flamethrower performs better than Cryo Cannon on Glacial Strata" is a misconception -- i believe it to be a true statement.

acoustic scarab Oct 11, 2021, 8:53 PM

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I am sufficiently convinced, removing that subsection

rancid crest Oct 11, 2021, 11:17 PM

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Oh, misconceptions page being made? I might have a few that popup occasionally

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deep dives are handmade by the devs (why people still think this I have no idea)
the game manually spawns bulks or oppressors if it detects a bunker

indigo kindle Oct 12, 2021, 6:47 AM

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That last point could be sufficiently explained if you add a "special enemy spawn pool per hazard" somewhere and explain that:
A) Bulk Detonators indeed are drawn from the special spawn pool;
B) Oppressors have a percentage-based chance to replace normal Praetorians in a wave and do not reuse the special spawn pool rules.

short cloud Oct 12, 2021, 7:34 AM

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we could also add that since it's already in the wiki : "There has been a long-perpetuated myth that Bulk Detonators also have an increased chance to appear in these missions, but it is just that: a myth. "

low hamlet Oct 12, 2021, 1:24 PM

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acoustic scarab Oct 12, 2021, 1:49 PM

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Good news?

low hamlet Oct 12, 2021, 2:17 PM

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ok discord dderp upload twice is fine

low hamlet Oct 12, 2021, 2:18 PM

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acoustic scarab Good news?

i think?

acoustic scarab Oct 12, 2021, 5:07 PM

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rancid crest Oh, misconceptions page being made? I might have a few that popup occasionally

Deep Dives are hand-picked by the developers every week
Once they set up the algorithm that generates Deep Dives, they let it do its job. There can be rare exceptions, like a Deep Dive refresh coinciding with the release of a new mission type - then GSG can pick one that features the new content. Otherwise, the team that streams themselves playing the Deep Dives just after rollover sees them for the first time, just like the players.

The game manually spawns Oppressors or Bulk Detonators if it detects a dwarf-made bunker
There doesn't seem to be any code in the game capable of recongizing and reacting to player tactics. Bulk Detonators are indeed drawn from the special spawn pool; however, Oppressors have a percentage-based chance to replace normal Praetorians in a wave and do not reuse the special spawn pool rules. Neither of those enemies are more or less likely to appear in response to how the players approach combat.

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That good?

burnt sundial Oct 13, 2021, 2:19 PM

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so yeah oppressors aren't special spawns, thought so

lean pebble Oct 14, 2021, 3:29 PM

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They are almost identical in appearance, the only difference being their colors and headplates. The Lacerator is a light blue/green, while the Arbalest is a dark blue/purple.

From the wiki on the Twins. Is that true about their colors? I only see one reddish and one yellowish dread. I haven't seen any of those other colors at all.

floral drift Oct 14, 2021, 3:43 PM

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that sounds like a color-blind user wrote the page

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i believe it's yellow/orange/red, too

weary sonnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:47 PM

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Same here, yellow for the ranged one, red/orange for the melee one.

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glacial topaz Oct 14, 2021, 3:51 PM

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didn't it change at a certain point
colors can be complicated sometimes

weary sonnet Oct 14, 2021, 3:51 PM

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Arbalest left, lacerator right

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The difference in color described in the wiki seems true, but for most users yellow vs orange should be easier.

lean pebble Oct 14, 2021, 4:11 PM

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One has yellow highlights and one has red highlights to me. The rest of the base color looks the same or close enough to not be useful in a dark cave.

floral drift Oct 14, 2021, 4:31 PM

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https://www.color-blindness.com/coblis-color-blindness-simulator/

using that website and Elyth's photo in space rig, i'm guessing whoever wrote that description might have "Red-Blind/Protanopia"

misty cedar Oct 14, 2021, 9:03 PM

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acoustic scarab https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Common_Misconceptions

Can I add a possible misconception that should be investigated? I often feel like using Bosco yields less minerals compared to your pickaxe. Sometimes he seems to carve something that should've been maybe 3 Nitra and no Nitra is dropped. It just feels like it to the point I never let Bosco mine rare minerals, but it is hard to test, maybe in Deep Dives due to the consistency?

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Btw I noticed there is no wiki page for the new weapons yet, in case anyone wants to start on those, because they'll be available in the experimental branch soon enough

acoustic scarab Oct 14, 2021, 9:19 PM

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misty cedar Can I add a possible misconception that should be investigated? I often feel lik...

That page is only for frequently retold myths. I keep an eye on Reddit and Bosco "losing" minerals isn't something I've heard anyone posit. If someone wants to test it, sure, but unless it's a false statement that goes around the community, its place is elsewhere, not on that page

You can test it in a Deep Dive, since all mineral veins will always be in the same place and have the same amounts of goodies in them. Mine it yourself, then quit, start again, tell Bosco to mine the same vein, compare results

acoustic scarab Oct 14, 2021, 9:20 PM

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misty cedar Btw I noticed there is no wiki page for the new weapons yet, in case anyone want...

As far as I know, the policy is to not create pages for unreleased content.

analog rock Oct 14, 2021, 9:32 PM

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misty cedar Can I add a possible misconception that should be investigated? I often feel lik...

This was already tested (I think by Ely), and it proved that the mineral yield is exactly the same no matter the mining method

misty cedar Oct 14, 2021, 9:35 PM

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Thanks for the input on the weapons, and thanks for debunking my personal conspiracy theory about Bosco haha! I guess then that Bosco might do some rounding and only drop chunks that are 1+ size and that is why I see chunks don't always appear near the sides/end of excavating veins

acoustic scarab Oct 14, 2021, 9:44 PM

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Uh... does this still count as a stub?
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/"Lead_Storm"_Powered_Minigun

bold plover Oct 14, 2021, 10:59 PM

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Bosco did have a bug with him mining minerals that made them yield effectively nothing.

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That was fixed a while ago though.

bold plover Oct 15, 2021, 8:04 PM

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@gritty bear

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nice

glacial topaz Oct 16, 2021, 12:10 PM

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<@&296918282403840000> 👆🏽👇🏽 scam issue [Got solved]

shell frigate Oct 16, 2021, 1:28 PM

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The amount of these scam messages is really annoying

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And it is also rather easy to solve, any moderation bot will allow for regex auto message deletion

glacial topaz Oct 16, 2021, 1:42 PM

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Ping Mod Staff again ?

rancid crest Oct 16, 2021, 4:44 PM

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shell frigate And it is also rather easy to solve, any moderation bot will allow for regex aut...

*Partially solve

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The bots update what they post just as fast as people can update regex filters, its rather annoying

shell frigate Oct 16, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Am speaking from experience here, admin a public server, only ever had one of these things, then ensured there would not be any more, and there has yet to be another

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They could try hard to get past it sure

rancid crest Oct 16, 2021, 4:46 PM

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Am admin of a public server too, we’ve had to ban well over several thousand of them notnice

shell frigate Oct 16, 2021, 4:46 PM

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But they are always going the shotgun approach so just go to another server without any protections

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If you have a custom bot you can have them draw from public made lists of scam urls

rancid crest Oct 16, 2021, 4:48 PM

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Already drawing from one

shell frigate Oct 16, 2021, 4:48 PM

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More are required then it seems

low hamlet Oct 16, 2021, 8:52 PM

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shell frigate And it is also rather easy to solve, any moderation bot will allow for regex aut...

could also just use @ everyone filter. would catch 90% of them and it takes like 5 clicks with carl

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 11:30 AM

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The wiki page for U35 says

New Weapons will obviously mean new Overclocks for the new Weapons. And probably new overclocks for the old Weapons as well, since we'll no doubt have a bunch of cool new ideas.
Should we update it to say that overclocks for old guns will not make it into U35?

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Since at this point we know for certain they won't

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 11:46 AM

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yeah

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I guess it would be wise

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 11:46 AM

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Someone already did

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Although I see that our update entries are copy-pastes of the official announcements?

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In that sense changing them might be against protocol. I'm not sure

indigo kindle Oct 17, 2021, 12:13 PM

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acoustic scarab The wiki page for U35 says > New Weapons will obviously mean new Overclocks for...

Where's that info from, by the way?

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 12:46 PM

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https://youtu.be/ODe5FxpVJVo?t=853

floral drift Oct 17, 2021, 1:17 PM

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i think the devs once said "new weapons and of course new overclocks". i believe their intended meaning was "...new overclocks [for the new weapons]" but it was interpreted as "for the old weapons" instead

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 1:19 PM

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floral drift i think the devs once said "new weapons and of course new overclocks". i believe...

The devs did say on stream they were going to put new OCs for old weapons. They finally ended cutting them from U35 because they just have too much stuff to do.

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it was never confirmed 100% we would get them for U35 though, it was always "probably but not sure"

floral drift Oct 17, 2021, 1:21 PM

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i'll take your word for it; i haven't seen every dev stream.

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

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I've been following closely the last two months and that's why I got on the topic

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 1:23 PM

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Going through my records, it has never actually been said OCs for old weapons were going to arrive with u35

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

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I probably could fine the timestamps but that would be very time consuming

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 1:24 PM

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acoustic scarab Going through my records, it has never actually been said OCs for old weapons we...

yep

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:09 PM

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People are making some valid points about how the myth page is formatted

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Initially I put the headers as plain positive statements of the myth

Spending Nitra on resupply pods reduces the XP reward at the end of the mission
The "Minerals Mined by Team" part of the experience reward counts the total maximum of all minerals that entered the dwarves' shared pocket. Calling down no resupply pods at all and spending every bit of Nitra on resupplies will have the same result as far as minerals mined are concerned.

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But then I realized someone skimming the page (and not reading the explanations, just the headers) might think that resupplies do reduce XP and that it's a true statement

glacial topaz Oct 17, 2021, 6:13 PM

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the problem is that page only mentions false stuff last I checked

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but you can simply add "false" or "true" next to it

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:13 PM

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So I changed the headers to be negative statements, each of them dispelling a myth

Spending Nitra on resupply pods does not reduce the XP reward at the end of the mission

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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That works best imo

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:14 PM

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But now I see people being confused in the thread

Screenshot_2021-10-17_at_21-14-18_PSA_a_new_page_is_on_the_wiki_dedicated_to_dispelling_common_myths.png

glacial topaz Oct 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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that makes the page not be a list of myths anymore

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:15 PM

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This person read just the header, thinking the headers are myths

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I guess we could start every header with "Myth: ____"?

glacial topaz Oct 17, 2021, 6:17 PM

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the header can simply be neutral, if adding answer directly to it wouldn't work, also "Myth" probably doesn't say much about it, or does it
"Spending Nitra on resupply pods and XP reward"

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:18 PM

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Oh, that gives me an idea. Turning the headers into questions?

analog rock Oct 17, 2021, 6:22 PM

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Although a bit redundant on the page, why not have each header in a format like :
Erroneous fact : "Insert myth here"

glacial topaz Oct 17, 2021, 6:30 PM

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Ayyy
Question are good
And first sentence can be quick answer

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"Does resupply pod affects xp ???"
"Lol no."

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 6:40 PM

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Alright, what's the consensus on multiple players repairing Doretta? Does it make the repair faster at all?

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 7:17 PM

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acoustic scarab I guess we could start every header with "Myth: ____"?

that could work

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 7:17 PM

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acoustic scarab Alright, what's the consensus on multiple players repairing Doretta? Does it mak...

no

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there's been a lotta testing for that

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and looking at game values

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 8:36 PM

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Gotcha

acoustic scarab Oct 17, 2021, 9:10 PM

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[–]Sneaky_Satan 1 point 12 minutes ago

Sorry for going off topic, but I figured I should tell someone involved with the wiki. Wasn't sure how contacting the wiki works, and I'd be afraid to try to edit it myself (I can navigate well enough, but I'm not the most internet-savvy person)

Within the "Weapon Skins" page of the wiki, I noticed that the icon shown for the Scale Brigade framework is the old version.

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This one, probably? I wasn't aware the icon changed

minor nymph Oct 17, 2021, 10:19 PM

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That's the one

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I'll post a screenshot of what it currently looks like, when I get a chance (if that would help)

short cloud Oct 17, 2021, 10:48 PM

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acoustic scarab This one, probably? I wasn't aware the icon changed

it got changed because some people thought it was too close to the swastika

minor nymph Oct 17, 2021, 11:13 PM

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This is the current icon (I know the image is small. If it's too small to see, I'll try to get a better image)

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@acoustic scarab

austere fossil Oct 17, 2021, 11:14 PM

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eh, only a little bigger

minor nymph Oct 17, 2021, 11:16 PM

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Found the same icon discrepency on the "Cargo Crate" page

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:26 PM

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yeah it's going to be everywhere

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someone just needs to rip the new icon and upload it

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i think cyrob does that iirc

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:30 PM

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Can do

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It's done using UE Viewer (aka UModel) if anyone wanted to know

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(quite easy to use)

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Old (for comparison)

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Huh all icons are still 256^2

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Except ScaleBrigade at 512^2

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Well since nothing in the wiki should be using it at full size should be fine but do look out for funkyness

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:46 PM

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yeah

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i can upload that rq i think

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:46 PM

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Already doing it :P

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https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/File:Icon_Skin_Mesh_Scale_Brigade.png

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

File:Icon Skin Mesh Scale Brigade.png

Cargo Crate - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

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Interesting Embed Sconk

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:47 PM

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lol

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what

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:47 PM

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shell frigate Already doing it :P

👍

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also what the hell is this

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what was there was perfectly fine why did they make it so complicated

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:48 PM

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Ah, by default file pages are disabled, so embed maker gets redirected to a page using the icon

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But guess I have them accessable for some reason now

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:49 PM

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low hamlet also what the hell is this

Detailed Search options?

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:49 PM

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yeah. but it was sm simpler and easier before

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why are they "bettering" everything it was fine 😔

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they should just make it a user choice

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:51 PM

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Well there is an option to search all wikis so can see wanting to filter it more

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:51 PM

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is there?

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:51 PM

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low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:51 PM

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👀

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ill just remove the ones i wont ever use with css or smthing

shell frigate Oct 17, 2021, 11:52 PM

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Should be quite doable

low hamlet Oct 17, 2021, 11:53 PM

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display: none nice

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 1:26 AM

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another scam

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:\\

wary cove Oct 18, 2021, 1:31 AM

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Hi turtle

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 1:33 AM

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hello tater

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 12:21 PM

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bruh

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tHiS iS a GiFt FoR yOu BrO

marsh osprey Oct 18, 2021, 12:44 PM

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Mah broskee nice

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 1:18 PM

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Suggestion:
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Update_History

Add the main update date in front or behind the title of each update.

Update 35: Title - 04.10.2021
Update 34.5: Modding Support - 14.09.2021
Update 34: Modest Expectations - 22.04.2021

Makes it really easy to look up the intervals at a glance instead of having to click every article.

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 4:38 PM

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indigo kindle That last point could be sufficiently explained if you add a "special enemy spaw...

Someone in the thread is curious about the special spawn pool, is there any more info to be read anywhere?

weary sonnet Oct 18, 2021, 4:41 PM

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I think I have all spawn restriction per creatures heres in columns D and E, first tab.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1U_H_IIU4n1sLYn8YyMdYfxrxUaaQ1Q74LEqsHV9Zp64/edit#gid=1072639983

For the rest it depend on the hazard level for stuff like how many enemies per pool is picked, how veteran are promoted and such.

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 7:39 PM

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Impressive!

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If a little confusing at first

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Can I share it?

weary sonnet Oct 18, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Sure, just be aware that I didn’t finish updating it, anything from column DB to CL still need to be rechecked.

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 8:11 PM

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I hate to be a pedant, but in B99 "Ambiant" should be "Ambient" 😅

weary sonnet Oct 18, 2021, 8:13 PM

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Feel free to report any mistake.

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 8:15 PM

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Here's something to add, the drillers throwing axes don't do any extra weak point damage. I've seen so many drillers run all the way around a praetorian to axe it in the weak spot when is does NO extra damage.
Not sure this is a myth, actually. I thought a part of axe damage is melee-type and therefore triggers the weakpoint multiplier?

weary sonnet Oct 18, 2021, 8:16 PM

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There is a special tag in the axe’s file that prevent it from doing weakpoint damage iirc.

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WeakpointDamageMultiplier is set to 0 in the PRJ file.

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 8:19 PM

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Interesting. So it shouldn't matter indeed which direction to axe praetorians from

weary sonnet Oct 18, 2021, 8:22 PM

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It can still be blocked by armor, but that’s it.

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:46 PM

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alpine hamlet Suggestion: https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Update_History Add the mai...

you mean like on the actual page title?

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:47 PM

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low hamlet you mean like on the actual page title?

Yes

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:47 PM

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hm probably not

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id say no cuz that just makes a pain in the ass since broken links everywhere plus kinda clutters page name. we could do something at the top of the page or something?? sub heading right below page title maybe?

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or an update date page on its own

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 8:49 PM

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Oh, to people who have rights for the wiki's main page: this thing has been slowly driving me crazy

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:50 PM

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lol

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:50 PM

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low hamlet or an update date page on its own

if that existed I'd ask for links to the updates in that page 😛

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:50 PM

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why did you show me this yoshkin :v now i wont unsee it

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:50 PM

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For me dates there make the most sense (aside from the actual update site)

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:50 PM

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alpine hamlet if that existed I'd ask for links to the updates in that page 😛

that'd be easy

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so an update date page?

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:51 PM

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confusion so you want to create a page with dates and links to the updates? Isn't that what I'm suggesting on the current page?

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:52 PM

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like a table thing with the name of the update (linked) with date for that update on the same row

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jank version but basically like this

austere fossil Oct 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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Or just do this on the current Update History page?

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 8:58 PM

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also could work

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forgot about that page lol

austere fossil Oct 18, 2021, 9:01 PM

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I mean, they did link it in their suggestion

low hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 9:13 PM

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oh

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lol

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welp i completely misread that whole dealio

alpine hamlet Oct 18, 2021, 9:16 PM

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austere fossil Or just do this on the current Update History page?

That's what I meant 😄 Yes

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Did somebody break the page in the meantime?

acoustic scarab Oct 18, 2021, 9:32 PM

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I'm getting bad gateway or gateway timeout for the whole wiki

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Time to go to sleep

marsh osprey Oct 19, 2021, 10:14 AM

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Cerberus ferociously guards the poor hellish souls from ~~leaving hell~~entering the wiki

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:19 PM

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Okay, I think I have definitive proof that the buff beer does not refresh at the 30-minute mark if you're on the Space Rig

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I will present my findings when I get time to lay them out in a way that's readable

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:32 PM

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As in, you could keep the same buff beer available indefinitely if you're always in the space rig during each refresh?

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:36 PM

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In theory, yes. I've only ever tried to stay for one refresh

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:37 PM

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I meant still going on missions but just making sure to be in the space rig during the refresh.

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:37 PM

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My main takeaway is that the beer "refreshes" at the 30-minute mark, but it'll stay "stuck" unless you go on a mission and return within the same 30 minutes

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It's easier to explain on an example

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:38 PM

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Second message got it across for me.

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:39 PM

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23:25 - Tunnel Rat, stay on the rig
23:35 - still Tunnel Rat, go on a mission
23:50 - Dark Morkite

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:39 PM

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"Changes with the missions unless you're currently in the rig, at which point it waits until you return from your next one."

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Was this not generally known? Or just not concretely written down?

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:41 PM

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austere fossil "Changes with the missions unless you're currently in the rig, at which point it...

Yes, and in other words, the beer refresh requires both a 30-minute rollover and not being on the rig

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:41 PM

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austere fossil Was this not generally known? Or just not concretely written down?

Last time I brought this up I was told it's just bad RNG

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Oh really?

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:42 PM

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I've got a hundred or so screenshots, enough to rule that out

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I also suspect that the beer does not refresh the first time it should in a game session anyway, but that might be confirmation bias, I'll have to go through the records and see if it's statistically significant

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:43 PM

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Enough to say it definitely doesn't stay the same across refreshes if you aren't in the rig?

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I think so

austere fossil Oct 20, 2021, 9:45 PM

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acoustic scarab I also suspect that the beer does not refresh the first time it should in a game...

That specifically sounds "easy" to test.

Boot the game
enter mission for ~30 min (or just until refresh)
check if beer is same
close game
repeat

acoustic scarab Oct 20, 2021, 9:46 PM

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That's what I've been doing in my every game session in the past month or so

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Like I said, I need to dig through the screenshots and see if the numbers support my suspicion

wicked cave Oct 21, 2021, 12:43 PM

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That behavior is also pretty easy to test in a group, since the beer RNG is the same for everyone (assuming clocks are synchronized). If the beer changed instantly upon rollover, then there should never be a case where two players see different beers in their own rigs. But players seeing different beers happens all the time (e.g. host hanging out a long time waiting for friends, and you have to leave/rejoin the rig to get it to switch). Run into this quite a bit with friends on Discord using voice chat

glacial topaz Oct 21, 2021, 11:36 PM

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the limit for the current halloween assignment is until 2022 ?

stark tulip Oct 22, 2021, 5:05 AM

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I would assume it becomes unavailable when the event ends
Previous events with assignments did that

analog rock Oct 22, 2021, 5:16 AM

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glacial topaz the limit for the current halloween assignment is until 2022 ?

Nov 1st

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2021, 1:01 PM

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I see, that is quite short

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2021, 9:21 PM

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not sure about changing the year of log-in
knowing when they were released first seems good, there is a good solution to this I am pretty sure
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Accessory_Shop?curid=980&diff=25890&oldid=25631

fluid ibex Oct 23, 2021, 3:46 AM

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The effective health of Modular Exterminator's cooling tanks seems to scale like extra large enemies, whose resistance is changed in U33. If it were the case, it's not updated on the Machine Event page

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I think it's better if "interaction with blowthrough upgrades" section in Ricochet page clarifies specifically whether the second hitscan can also penetrate enemies.

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2021, 9:18 AM

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fluid ibex The effective health of Modular Exterminator's cooling tanks seems to scale like...

The omen machine even has its own scaling that is used for nothing else actually (ExtraLargeEnemyDamageResistanceC in the game’s files).
I just checked, the wiki is up to date for the modules health, resistance and weakpoint data.

misty trail Oct 24, 2021, 2:20 AM

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It looks like there are two Random Page links in the navbar: one in Explore and another in Navigation. Any admins able to fix this?

hidden tartan Oct 24, 2021, 2:38 AM

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Does anyone have the percentages for grunts spawning as guards/slashers in each haz level?

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 3:27 AM

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hidden tartan Does anyone have the percentages for grunts spawning as guards/slashers in each ...

looking at an old spreadsheet that Ike made, i think this is the answer you're looking for. the first number is the probability that the mission picks that range when it spawns a pack of Grunts, and then the second number (or range of numbers) is the chance for each individual Grunt in the pack to get promoted (i think).

Grunt Veteran Percent
Haz1: 0%

100% -> 0%

Haz2: ~3.33%

66% -> 0%
33% -> 5-15%

Haz3: ~7.4925%

66% -> 0%
33% -> 15-30%

Haz4: ~19.1%

34% -> 0%
51% -> 15-30%
8.5% -> 40-60%
4.5% -> 75%

Haz5: ~24.675%

21% -> 0%
63% -> 15-30%
14% -> 40-60%
3.5% -> 100%

rancid crest Oct 24, 2021, 4:31 AM

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There's a 3.5% chance haz 5 spawns a pack of exclusively veteran grunts?

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Also wow that is a significant spike between 3 and 4

hidden tartan Oct 24, 2021, 4:37 AM

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floral drift looking at an old spreadsheet that Ike made, i think this is the answer you're l...

Thank you, that's exactly what I was looking for nice

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 4:46 AM

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rancid crest There's a 3.5% chance haz 5 spawns a pack of exclusively veteran grunts?

oh, yeah. i've seen packs of like 5 Slashers all spawn together on Haz5.

weary sonnet Oct 24, 2021, 11:08 AM

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Do you know how the game choose when there is two possible veteran to choose from?
I mean for normal grunt to slasher / guard.

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 2:48 PM

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weary sonnet Do you know how the game choose when there is two possible veteran to choose fro...

no clue at all, sorry. i was just making an educated guess of how the Veteran thing works based off of Ike's spreadsheet; i haven't seen an actual explanation written down somewhere.

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2021, 3:05 PM

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solution might be to make it 100% chance and checking if it is just a 50/50 chance ?

fluid ibex Oct 24, 2021, 3:44 PM

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is BC's beam damage 50%fire/50%electric? there's a conversion followed the beam damage in PRJ_LineCutter2

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2021, 3:50 PM

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last I remember damage type is on the wiki, isn't it ?

fluid ibex Oct 24, 2021, 3:50 PM

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wiki says electric, but i think it's 50%fire/50%electric

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 3:54 PM

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fluid ibex is BC's beam damage 50%fire/50%electric? there's a conversion followed the beam ...

by default, Breach Cutter's beam does 50 Fire-element damage on impact with an enemy (i'm pretty sure it doesn't benefit from Weakpoints), and then 11.5 Electric-element damage per tick at 50 ticks/sec while the beam is in contact with an enemy (this part does benefit from Weakpoints).

when the Overclock "Inferno" gets equipped, the Electric-element damage gets 90% converted to Fire-element + Heat.

fluid ibex Oct 24, 2021, 4:05 PM

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floral drift by default, Breach Cutter's beam does 50 Fire-element damage on impact with an e...

I can see the 90% conversion to DMG_Fire (in wiki's term, Fire + Heat) in OC's code, but I still wonder what does DamageConversionBonus to DMG_Burn (Fire without Heat) in PRJ_LineCutter2 affect

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there's a similar case in EPC's normal shot, where the kinetic damage is followed by a DamageConversionBonus to DMG_Electric without a specific ratio, and wiki says the damage type is 50%kinetic/50%electric

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 4:23 PM

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🤔 that might explain why i've been able to ignite Praetorian gas clouds with Spinning Death. in theory it was only doing Electric-element damage (because the 50 impact gets set to 0 by SD) but it was still igniting the cloud that had 25 hp.

testing the actual conversion percentage will be really difficult, though.

indigo kindle Oct 24, 2021, 5:31 PM

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fluid ibex there's a similar case in EPC's normal shot, where the kinetic damage is followe...

If the conversion ratio isn't specified in the file itself, then it's 50% as the default value. Example: EPC Charged Shot has the conversion percentages listed (25% Burn/10% Disintegrate), and they behave as you might expect them to.

That means Breach Cutter actually does 50% Electric and 50% Burn damage to targets, not 100% Electric as we previously assumed.

weary sonnet Oct 24, 2021, 7:29 PM

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A quick game test show that there is more than just electric damage: shooting a rolling shellback do some damage after the initial 50 fire damage.
(Shellback are completely immune to electric damage while rolling, you can break their armor using electric damage when they roll, but that’s it.)

So reaching the same conclusion than greyhound with what we have in the file, we were wrong all along.

bold plover Oct 24, 2021, 8:05 PM

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There's a 300% damage boost on first impact iirc.

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InitialHitDamageMultiplier=5

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 8:17 PM

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so, the Initial Impact Damage is just 10, multiplied by 5 to total 50?

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 8:19 PM

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weary sonnet A quick game test show that there is more than just electric damage: shooting a ...

makes me wonder if Inferno is converting 90% of the 50% Electric (95% Fire-element, 45% Heat) or if it's just raising the conversion from 50% to 90%

weary sonnet Oct 24, 2021, 8:23 PM

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The 50 DMG_Burn is set as secondary damage, maybe to ignore that multiplier.

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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well, then why does the multiplier exist? is it doing 5*11.5 Damage on the first tick, so it does 107.5 damage instantly?

that doesn't align visually with what the healthbar does when a Grunt gets hit by the BC beam

bold plover Oct 24, 2021, 8:33 PM

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Give me a few minutes.

weary sonnet Oct 24, 2021, 8:35 PM

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🤷‍♂️ no clue on my side other than what I already said.
I could test it, but I won’t have much time for the next 2-3 days.

bold plover Oct 24, 2021, 8:38 PM

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From what I see, Spinning Death still has a fire conversion (dmg burn) on the main projectile damage component at 50%. The initial impact damage component goes from 50 to 0.

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 8:39 PM

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which tracks; like i said earlier SD was able to ignite Praetorian gas clouds which defied the knowledge at the time that it was doing only Electric-element damage

bold plover Oct 24, 2021, 8:41 PM

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I'll send a log to peruse.

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📎 U32_BC.txt

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Kind of random and not super useful info all the time.

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Damage Component consists of 2 baseline damage bonuses.

Second is 100% chance to apply STE_LineCutter_Slow.```

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With Inferno equipped it gains 3 more damage bonuses.

Second is 100% chance to apply STE_Fire_Plasma_Linecutter.
Third is 100% chance to apply STE_Heat_Plasma_Linecutter.```

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With Spinning Death equipped

"Initial Damage Component" 50 burn damage is changed to 0.
"Rotation Speed" is increased from 300 to 720.
"Rotation Mode" is changed to Yaw from none.
"Line Rotation" is changed to (Pitch=0,Yaw=339.266418,Roll=0) from 0 0 0.```

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This is from U32, so take it with a grain of salt but should help get a better understanding.

floral drift Oct 24, 2021, 9:02 PM

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bold plover **Damage Component** consists of 2 baseline damage bonuses. ```First is 50% conv...

this can't be right. STE_ElectricSMG is the 3 second Electrocute DoT status effect, which is certainly not applied. the only Electrocute DoT is HVC, which is longer duration and higher DPS.