wiki-related-chatroom

[acoustic scarab]

But it would be weird on a calendar since 34.5 is now closer to 35 than to 34 time-wise

[trail gust]

well, let's call it 34.9 then

[orchid jewel]

34.6 1/2

[austere fossil]

Or skip the decimals and call it 34M

[orchid jewel]

34-but-not-quite

[glacial topaz]

how much extra content ?
good solution could be just making a section on 34's page
and creating a redirect link to anyone looking for it

[low hamlet]

yeah

we'll definitely want to make an individual mod info page

[orchid jewel]

Probably since support would be added by then, also include a small tutorial

Like how to install and a primary site for it, whatever that owuld be

[low hamlet]

one sec. the site is already up

[orchid jewel]

Yeah, I know there is a modding site, I just havent looked at the modding scene at all yet.

[low hamlet]

drg.mod.io is the site

so we'll be able to link directly to it

[orchid jewel]

cool, cool.

[bold plover]

I'd recommend just linking the modding discord for guides, help, data and whatnot.

[orchid jewel]

That too, Forget we have that sometimes

[acoustic scarab]

I am becoming more and more convinced that the mission type infobox needs a "Swarm Trigger" field

I'm tired of these self-sustaining myths
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/pegouk/point_extraction_spawn_mechanics/

Hey miners,
I am aware of the mechanic where depositing all your aquarqs without launching the mine head increases the frequency of baddies spawning

[orchid jewel]

Lmaoo

Yeah we should prolly add that

[short cloud]

Yeah I think it would be a great idea

or adding a debunk myth info page 👀

[orchid jewel]

Myrhs should be debunked in Trivia of its respective page

Easier that way

[acoustic scarab]

Something like that

[short cloud]

works too yeah

[indigo kindle]

Could actually use a Mythbuster-type of page, where the Wiki would debunk the most commonly known myths about the game mechanics etc. Like EPC mining "losing minerals so mine manually".

[short cloud]

or the fact that missions don't have enough morkite...

(when they almost never did, it's just caves being disconnected or people missing morkite entirely)

[orchid jewel]

Maybe a new segment all together labeled "myths" to keep trivia and myths seperate? Either way imo it should remain ON its respective page to make it easier to see. Those long info pages are always so hard to sift through

[acoustic scarab]

I've got...

• cave length affects ME spawn chance
• reloading drills/minigun cools it down faster
• exploder infestation increases bulk spawn chance
• the game is more likely to give you overclocks for classes you're not playing

[short cloud]

Why not ask the community about their own myths ?

it's usually the best way to go about it

[acoustic scarab]

https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/jlzrrn/what_are_some_common_mythsmisconceptions_in_this/

[short cloud]

well, that was fast

[orchid jewel]

😔

Your telling me the funnt animagion doesnt cool down my dwills? Oh patootie

[acoustic scarab]

Next thing I'll tell you the rocket launcher idle reload animation doesn't increase projecticle speed

[short cloud]

😱

oh yeah the nitra one reducing xp

a classic.

@acoustic scarab "Flamethrower is better than Cryo Cannon against Frost-themed bugs - false, frost variants of the Praetorian and the Goo Bomber are actually more resistant to resilient against both cold and fire than their regular counterparts."

wait what

liiies

[acoustic scarab]

It turns out I was wrong about goo bombers in that psot

[short cloud]

lol

[acoustic scarab]

But frost praets still laugh at your elemental damage

[orchid jewel]

Patooie x2

[acoustic scarab]

Just look at the praetorian infobox and do the math

[orchid jewel]

I never was good at that

[wicked cave]

Does the loot room with the lost equipment and crafting minerals spawn in dynamically when you scan the lost helmet? Or is it present in the map beforehand but just not revealed?

I’m guessing it’s spawned in dynamically because otherwise it’d be pretty obvious on the terrain scanner just from noticing a disconnected tiny room next to a floor/wall/ceiling, and I’ve never found one without first scanning the helmet in 650+ hours

[analog rock]

They are generated at the start of the game : #wiki-related-chatroom message

[wicked cave]

Wow. Not the answer I expected! Very cool.

Seems worthy of that DRG myth thread, a rare “true myth”

[glacial topaz]

that is quite old isn't it
any chance it changed ?

[shell frigate]

Would need rechecking, have not been able to replicate since

[glacial topaz]

would camera magic work ?
last I remember the room wasn't appearing anywhere until I got the lost equip
or... I was not looking hard enough, large map

[floral drift]

i'm under the impression that Lost Equipment rooms get generated upon scanning the Helmet. the host usually has a mini game freeze, or FPS drops, while the game generates the room.

however, i have not extensively tested this hypothesis

[short cloud]

that's also my impression but I don't have any proof either

[rancid crest]

I have had a lost equipment room generate in the middle of a tunnel the driller dug out after we scanned the helmet

[low hamlet]

god. why is this the default protable infobox color scheme

[gritty bear]

also yeah the twin page looks really good, thanks fandom

[low hamlet]

yeah they basically gave a massive middle finger to all nonportable infoboxes

there is too much info on that one tho. and the reason it's screwed up is because there are three tiers

im currently fumbling my way through getting to understand what im doing with converting the non portable infoboxes to portable infoboxes, so

[orchid jewel]

Punchy wth is this

[low hamlet]

pain

ill be able to change it with css tho so dw

[orchid jewel]

Why is it called a weaponized bug? Just having a bit of fun or is this some weird fucking dev testing thing

[low hamlet]

maggots are weaponized bugs

||im recoding infoboxes and that's the test infobox :p||

[orchid jewel]

Tbh, Magma core..

[gritty bear]

I don't remember who made the maggot example joke

[orchid jewel]

Karl himself of course

[bold plover]

I have looked around with free cams and never found the lost pack room, also, if it only generates on map load then there should only be one room but if you have multiple helmets there is a new lost pack room for each. Plus the massive FPS drops that they used to create leads me to believe it is spontaneous carving.

[low hamlet]

^

plus ive had rooms spawn where i surely would have seen them on the map, and i didn't

[orchid jewel]

They might have at one point, but now its almost for sure on helmet scan

[low hamlet]

i did the thing. i think

[orchid jewel]

Looks good to the rat

[low hamlet]

well time to see what i didnt do properly

i didnt put {{#switch: there

[orchid jewel]

What utter bull is fandom causing

[low hamlet]

lots

welp im gonna change the color of the infoboxes with css for now. it's likely on themedesigner tho

[low hamlet]

bit o css later and ive got this

[floral drift]

@bold plover @weary sonnet

Bittergem is 1/21, ErrCube is 1/26; does Compressed Gold have a similar chance to spawn in levels? 1/15?

[shell frigate]

1/3 off the top of my head

[low hamlet]

  background: #323c3c;
  border: 1px solid #323c3c;
}

.pi-border-color {
  border: 1px solid #323c3c;
}

.page-content .portable-infobox .pi-title {
  border-bottom: 3px solid #323c3c;
}

.portable-infobox {
  border-radius: 2px;
}```

can an admin stick this into the fd skin for me

[bold plover]

Do you remember if it was DensityInM2?

[shell frigate]

Old file has DensityInM2 set as 5

[bold plover]

The chance was separate from that though, right?

[shell frigate]

Yeah will have to try find what value it was

But that might have something to do with them coming in pairs

[bold plover]

What was the object that had the chances for any of them?

Haven't been able to find any info besides the value randomizations.

Like compressed gold is GemValue=(Min=150,Max=250)

And scales with mission length, hazard and mutators.

[shell frigate]

It was done as a weighted table of 2 options

e.g. error cube: 1, no error cube: 25

[bold plover]

I know certain events have a direct spawn chance.

[shell frigate]

I think the values for these things may have been set in the mission setup files

[shell frigate]

Also have put changes in

[floral drift]

Ban, Cy: if either of you figure out the Gold Chunk spawn percentage, please give me a ping. it would be extremely useful for the blog post i'm working on right now.

please and thank you ❤️

[shell frigate]

Well pretty sure it's 1/3 chance

[low hamlet]

alright that's 2 infoboxes down

and it's live 😎

only 7 more to go (i think)

[low hamlet]

btw if anyone wants hydra revived it's been made. i might customize it to make it work well for the wiki as well

[low hamlet]

https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/HydraRevived

also got some stuff to talk about

currently, this infobox just has too much stuff in it

i talked with some ppl on the fandom/gp discord about what to do (since it's causing problems as well on the dread twins page) and what they suggested and what i agree with is we move the unmodel views and temperature info to another section. temperature can be in combat maybe? and the unmodel views could be their own new headers

[orchid jewel]

Sounds good

[glacial topaz]

The only issue is fandom isnt it...
Because until now it was just fine
Having all that information there for quick access
But now, suddenly it is an issue, oh well

[low hamlet]

it was too much info before

the top bit minus the unmodel and temp is fine but with that it doesn't fit all in that side bar

[weary sonnet]

Cyrob is right for the Compressed gold, it was 1/3, but I am not sure how it works in practice since it is possible to find two of them in game unlike the other.

Redoing the infobox from scraft I managed to make them work, but they need to be wider on fandom than on gamepedia it seems.

Example here:
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Test_Infobox2
Pretty sure that one contain enough info to make it bug normally on fandom.

Still need some css tweaks but getting them to work again should be doable.

Can’t argue with the fact that the real issue is fandom, they are giving us a lot of additional work, that’s for sure…

[weary sonnet]

Oh, looks like someone (ARandomCitizen) converted the main infobox template and it fixed most of the problems we had.
First time I see this kind of code, is this the new standard for fandom templates?
(From what I see he did well converting it, didn’t parse everything yet.)
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Template:Creature_Infobox_SubTabs

[low hamlet]

yeah they've been helping me converting the infoboxes

it's the syntax for portable infoboxes

i do think it's important to move the temp and unmodel stuff elsewhere though

[weary sonnet]

Do you have the doc for that somewhere?
And how are/why do we need to move to portable infobox btw? What was wrong with the normal one?

[low hamlet]

outdated

[orchid jewel]

And broken in most cases

All the elite pages were(are?) Broken

[low hamlet]

because they aren't updating it anymore

so new updates break it frequently

portable is being updated

[weary sonnet]

ok

[craggy wraith]

Also some other misc benefits apparently: https://community.fandom.com/wiki/Help:Infoboxes/Benefits_of_Portable_Infoboxes

[low hamlet]

yeah probably

[low hamlet]

gonna style tables for lightmode today

[little gorge]

the russian translation page of the “perks” page shows if you search “perks”

dunno if that’s intended but I assume it isn’t

[orchid jewel]

Probably a URL issue
or someone just editted it to be russian? Not a clue

[little gorge]

let me rephrase I guess

perks and perks/ru show as results

[low hamlet]

the russian side of the wiki hasn't been touched in a while

[acoustic scarab]

I am unable to provide any comment on that

[low hamlet]

👀

[low hamlet]

need to fix this as well

for some reason the twitter plugin is broke

wait that might just be my firefox settings for cookies

lol it's just my settings for firefox cookies. but other users might have that...ill ask if it's possible to get working with those kind of restrictions

[acoustic scarab]

This is the best version of Twitter I've seen in my life

[bold plover]

And it isn't even dark mode.

[orchid jewel]

Incredible. Twit with no Ter

[low hamlet]

i improved the styles for the galleryboxes

lookin good on lightmode too

[orchid jewel]

😩

look at it

its beautiful

[craggy wraith]

Nice

[low hamlet]

i sent the stylesheet to the wiki editors so once someone puts the edits in, ill let yall know and lmk if you find stuff that's being weird

[floral drift]

has anyone looked in Salvage mission files and seen if BET-C has a higher chance to spawn for them? this may be a little confirmation bias, but it really feels like BET-C's spawn chance on Salvage missions is more like 16% than 6%...

[indigo kindle]

BET-C's spawn chance is determined in GD_EncounterSettings, and unless there were last second changes in U34, it should still be 6%.

[bold plover]

There is nothing present in U32 salvage files to increase the chance.

[low hamlet]

if anything ive experienced them more in egg hunt

it's just chance. since they're so rare one mission type will likely get favored because it's randomly selected

[floral drift]

has there been any update to why the Files are redirecting in weird ways ever since Fandom took over?

[orchid jewel]

yes- Fandom is bullshit

and one of their ass backwards updates m ust have fucked with pathing and shit

[floral drift]

we already knew the cause -- i'm asking if anyone has worked on fixing the problem

[low hamlet]

what's the issue?

[floral drift]

click on the message i replied to from THB -- if you go to any wiki link that's styled like File:Apoca_bloom_icon.png etc the page will redirect in some strange way. some upgrade icons redirect to Bosco, Apoca bloom redirects to Resources, etc.

for instance, https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/File:Icon_Upgrade_Angle.png redirects to https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Zipline_Launcher

my hypothesis is that the icons are redirecting to the first page that referenced or embedded them

the whole reason i brought this up last week was because there are some icons i want to download for the upcoming U35 weapons in the DPS Calculator and Karl.gg, but because of the redirects i'm no longer able to get the files.

[shell frigate]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Zipline_Launcher?file=Icon_Upgrade_Angle.png

[low hamlet]

that's not what it is

ik what it is

you see this when you open an image right? this nav thingy

[floral drift]

great! is it easily fixable? Cyrob gave a workaround for now

[austere fossil]

It used to show the history of the file.

[low hamlet]

what's happening is this thing is what that link takes you to

and for some reason that's taking priority over the actual page for the file

[austere fossil]

Didn't you want an old version of the ammo one or something?

[floral drift]

for the Hurricane T5.C, yes. now there are other icons to acquire, too.

[low hamlet]

im going to post this on the fandom discord because this is really annoying...

it makes no sense

alright i have info

you aren't logged in correct?

apparently, non-logged in users can't view file pages

[floral drift]

ok. i accept that as the cause. however, why was it allowed for Gamepedia?

[low hamlet]

because gamepedia was better

lol

[floral drift]

so, if i create a wiki account i would be able to see those File: pages again?

[low hamlet]

yeah

[austere fossil]

presumably, unless it's not just being signed in and instead some other permission

[low hamlet]

no

only because they aren't signed in

basically, fandom is licking google's boots and "optimizing the search engine" by making file pages not go to dead ends for non logged in users

which is just dumb

[floral drift]

just another reason for me to be pissed off at Fandom: i have to finally create a Wiki account after months of guest editing. 😠

[austere fossil]

Do you have a twitch?

I just used mine

[acoustic scarab]

But... but what about the editor XP you get for doing so from an account?

[austere fossil]

Though it sorta makes one for you still, you just login with twitch instead

[acoustic scarab]

Don't you do this to see pointless numbers go up?!

[orchid jewel]

rat brain go brr

like big number

[low hamlet]

it is pretty cool to see how many edits you've put in

[floral drift]

i don't care about internet points, nor accolades. i'm here to expand knowledge freely, like a good citizen of the internet

[acoustic scarab]

Eh? EH?
beeg number

[low hamlet]

😎

[acoustic scarab]

Just kidding, I'm a sucker for completing knowledge repositories

But the big numbers do help

[floral drift]

i don't suppose there's any way to retroactively claim credit for my anonymous edits once i make a Wiki account?

[low hamlet]

probably not

[floral drift]

oh well

[orchid jewel]

according to my fandom, I have 0 edits

incredible

[acoustic scarab]

Note that this only carried over from the Gamepedia account

[orchid jewel]

oh nevermind, there it is. level 27 with 119 points

[acoustic scarab]

Fandom didn't have this rank system, Gamepedia did, but when they merged, the ranks (and edit history) carried over from GP even though they're now under the Fandom brand

[orchid jewel]

its apparently per wiki? i guess that makes sense

[acoustic scarab]

Achievements are wiki per wiki. The rank might be global, can't remember

[low hamlet]

rank is global

and i believe there are some global achievements

[acoustic scarab]

Some of the local ones are pretty outrageous, though

Upload 5000 images, create 1000 pages

"Do literally the amount of work people get hired and paid to do"

[orchid jewel]

5K images over 1k of pages that just include an image of my 'sona and say "rat bastard" on repeat lmao

anyway, great work @low hamlet, things are lookin much better and I cant wait to see some of your fixes applied.
Have we made that U34.5 page yet? or the myth busting trivia segments?

[low hamlet]

not yet

we generally don't create pages for stuff that hasn't been released yet

[orchid jewel]

Shit- thats right

its still in experimental

what about the Myth things? I can work on adding a "Myth and Debunks" segment to the pages if someone passes along that reddit forum. Was it Yoshkin who made it?

[low hamlet]

probably

we could do something like that

idk if cyrob put in my changes yet. it was 200+ lines of css lol so it might take a minute

[orchid jewel]

Not a clue, probably working on it I imagine

But yeah, just like, tell me when and i'll get cracking on those myths and shit. Been looking forward to actually help with something on the wiki

[shell frigate]

Got delayed as host D&D Wednesday-Thursday

[orchid jewel]

😔

damn

[low hamlet]

dw about it

[low hamlet]

gonna style the achievements page because it looks terrible. thanks fandom

[orchid jewel]

pfft

looks fine to me

[low hamlet]

which one?

(imagine the font is white for the top ones)

[glacial topaz]

top one I guess

[short cloud]

@acoustic scarab about that myth page, do we have the one where people think the devs are hand-making the deep dives ?

[acoustic scarab]

No, but I've heard a few times when people asked if the devs pre-approve the dives before making them public

It's not big enough to be a myth, I don't think

[short cloud]

tbh I've seen it pop a few times too much but that might just be me

[low hamlet]

why not just put it in there

[acoustic scarab]

Because it might bloat the page if we start putting everything that seems like it could be a myth

[bold plover]

The seeds are randomized but the devs said they decide what seed is given to everybody via the deep dive servers.

[acoustic scarab]

I'm fairly sure I've heard them say that the Thursday dev streams are the first time thye see the new dives

[bold plover]

Yes, what I am saying is that they randomly roll the seed until they get something that they want to push to the public servers.

[short cloud]

probably to make sure we don't get the same things twice in a row

[glacial topaz]

if that was the case it most likely could be automated, biome, missions, and probably even cave shape

[low hamlet]

i think it's gonna be fine to have the unmodel view in there, but we should move the temperature thing out

i put it in the new portable infobox anyways for now because yeah but we should move it

nvm holding off on that change because of this weirdness

[weary sonnet]

If you mean the tabber’s tab alignment being off, we fixed that with an invisible div in gamepedia <div class="InvisibleAlignmentBox"> or something similar, we may need to adjust that class for fandom or the width of the portable infobox.
Can’t test it anytime soon since I am at work for now.

[random lintel]

For some reason opening wiki pages on Praetorian shows different info for mobile and for desktop version of site

Page: https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Glyphid_Praetorian#Front
Different info: about resistances, mobile version shows 24% resist to electro damage

[weary sonnet]

It is because you were looking at the elite variant it seems.
The first infobox may have not displayed at all on mobile.

[random lintel]

Actually you are right, a bit non-obvious for elite to be in the top of the page, but 24 is indeed for elite

[weary sonnet]

We need to redo all the infobox using the portable infobox style for them to work well on mobile it seems, that is the style that is used for the elite one.

[low hamlet]

that in css?

[weary sonnet]

I gave it a look, tweaking a bit the css should be enough, either directly in the template or in the main css, I will check that later today if I can.

[low hamlet]

we can't do it in the template with portable infobox

which im gonna be honest is a good thing

i tweaked it with css rq so ill post that in a sec

[weary sonnet]

Ok, then reducing the width of the invisible div should do it.

[low hamlet]

.InvisibleAlignmentBox {
  width: 275px;
}

.wds-tabs__wrapper.with-bottom-border {
  margin-bottom: -25px;
  margin-left: 5px;
}

i think that should do it...

let me stick it in my personal css and test it on live rq

looks real weird with the non portable infobox

huh....

[weary sonnet]

Theses will have to be replaced since most of them are not working that well.

[low hamlet]

tabber isn't displaying with portable infobox

wait it's probably because it isn't the live template

[weary sonnet]

Some of the parameters may have a different name with the other template, can’t test that today though.
I should have some time tomorrow or in the weekend.

Do you want me to apply the css still?

[low hamlet]

yep!

i got it working well

looks great :)

[weary sonnet]

… can’t log in using twitch …
But it says successful log in…

[low hamlet]

and looks like the update to pi fixed the issues that were happening with this infobox

[orchid jewel]

if i could use my gigachad emote on this server, I would

Hell yeah

[winged acorn]

Entry for Glyphid Crassus Detonator doesn't say what the theoretical maximum gold yield from one is. Anyone know? The size of the crater is stated to be "10 meters." Is that the radius or the diameter? If we knew, WolframAlpha can spit out the appropriate surface area of the resulting sphere, but I don't know how to convert that into an ammount of gold. In any case, I think any information about how much gold they yield would be nice addition to the entry.

[glacial topaz]

can always check in the game itself
have the range of a simple golden crater on the ground vs a complete sphere

[floral drift]

i just got about 1200 gold from one Crassus detonator. drilled into tunnel, had it follow me and blow up, got about as much of a golden sphere as is realistically possible. i saw 4 lootbugs crawling in to steal gold from me so i had to kill them, and ended with 1249. so, i would attribute 1200 to the crassus, and 40-44 to the lootbugs.

also, it is indeed a 10m carve diameter for the golden sphere, and it looks like that 10m is the inner diameter. the gold itself extends another... 0.5m outward maybe?

limiting factors that prevent getting more gold: the 8 bomblets dropped by the Crassus Detonator on death destroy gold around the center of the sphere without giving gold in return, and the tunnel that the Crassus itself digs to get into the hallway is part of the sphere not turned to gold as well.

another possibility (albeit extremely unlikely) is that the C4 charges i used to blow up the bottom and sides of the crater had some gold lossiness when converting the edges of the explosion crater from stone/gold to slag.

i'm going to recreate the test with another Crassus detonator, and see if i get more than 1200 this time

[austere fossil]

the 8 bomblets dropped by the Crassus Detonator on death destroy gold around the center of the sphere without giving gold in return
Wait, they do? I always attributed the loose chunks you find inside the sphere to the gold those bomblets "pre-mine" for you.

[winged acorn]

Hot damn! Experimental data in less than an hour! Thank you!

[floral drift]

second test: only gathered with pickaxe and Bosco, acquired 1228 (no lootbug interference this time).

[floral drift]

🤔 that is a possibility. i was very focused on counting the total gold and less about where the gold came from. time to spawn a 3rd Crassus to test it!

[winged acorn]

Same deal with the only hole in the shell being a driller tunnel?

[bold plover]

The bomblets do produce gold, crashed my game a few times due to it.

Default gold slag thickness is 0.25m.

[floral drift]

Crassus-dug tunnel appears to have a 5m diameter. it should be possible to calculate how much of the golden sphere's surface gets lost, and then extrapolate the gold/m^2 ratio

[winged acorn]

m^2 or m^3 you think?

[floral drift]

gold-to-surface implies m^2

the surface area of the golden sphere being the scaled factor, not the volume

[winged acorn]

A spherical shell with an inner diameter of 10m and and outer diameter of 11m (An extra 0.5m on each end adds up to 1m) has a volume of 1386 cubic meters. So that's 0.88 gold per cubic meter. (That's without accounting for the extra gold that would be there from where the driller tunnel.)

[floral drift]

see Banagement's edit -- 0.25m thickness apparently

the volume between inner/outer layers should be 4/3 * Pi * radius^3.

4Pi/3 * (5.25^3 - 5^3) = 82.532257 m^3

so gold per cubic meter would be around 14.88, potentially a little higher if not for the Crassus' dug tunnel removing some

the surface area of a sphere, 4 * Pi * radius^2, would lead to a ratio of 3.91 gold per square meter

[acoustic scarab]

Can I just interject for a second and say that I love that this conversation is happening in this channel?

This is the reason to learn math in school

[winged acorn]

Now we just need to measure the width and height of a driller tunnel, and calculate the volume of the region of a spherical shell that intersects a rectangular prism with those dimensions, to estimate the amount of gold lost to the tunnel.

[low hamlet]

who needs math!

wait-

[floral drift]

negative. the Driller tunnel isn't a factor, remember? the Crassus digs a roughly-cylindrical tunnel to the player which is 5m in diameter.

i'm currently already working on that aspect of "gold lost"

[winged acorn]

I see. When I said, "theoretical maximum," I was imagining the yield of a whole sphere, like if you spawned one in solid rock and it exploded.

[floral drift]

once the "gold lost" is calculated, it should become trivial to find the absolute theoretical maximum

give me a few minutes

[austere fossil]

I think they mean the driller's exit tunnel, unless you're going for suicide strats

Or otherwise dash past the bulk as it's dying

[floral drift]

i did suicide strat to absolutely maximize output

[winged acorn]

Wait so what kind of tunnel did you have when you got 1228 gold? (I wanna know how much of that spherical shell was missing.)

[floral drift]

as i've said on a couple of occasions now, the golden sphere for my 1228 test was entirely complete except for the 5m diameter tunnel that the Crassus dug to get to me

[winged acorn]

Oh, ok. Sorry for the confusion. Earlier I asked, "Same deal with the only hole in the shell being a driller tunnel?" and you responded with a check mark.

[floral drift]

i see where the confusion came from, i apologize

i reached a result, but i think i did the math wrong. somehow i ended up with a greater volume of gold mined after removing the 2 caps than the full spheres, which can't be the case since volume was removed.

i'm looking through my equations to see where i made the mistake

[winged acorn]

I'm dying to sit down and try and solve it, but I have to cook supper.

I really wanna know if it comes out to exactly 15 gold per cubic meter.

[floral drift]

ok, i think i figured it out. there's going to be a lot of rounding errors that pile up near the end, but i found some pretty believable numbers.

for reference, these numbers started out as 1228 gold mined, 5m inner radius, 5.25m outer radius, and a 5m diameter cylinder intersecting the two spheres from the Crassus' tunnel.

original numbers before accounting for the area/volume lost by the cylinder:

• 3.91 gold/m^2
• 14.88 gold/m^3

Variables used:

Inner Radius = 5m
Outer Radius = 5.25m
Cylinder diameter = chord length = 5m

Equations used:

theta = 2 * arcsin( chord length / (2 * radius))
cap height = radius * (1 - cos(theta/2))
surface area of cap = 2 * Pi * radius * height
volume of cap = (Pi * height^2 * (3 * radius - height)) / 3

Surface area of cap of inner sphere:

theta = 2 * asin(5/10) = 60 degrees
height = 5 * (1-cos(60/2)) = 0.669873m
surface area = 2 * Pi * 5 * 0.669873 = 21.04468 m^2

1228 / (314.1593 - 21.04468) = 4.189 gold/m^2

Volume of caps between outer and inner spheres:

theta2 = 2 * asin(5/10.5) = 56.8738 degrees
height2 = 5.25 * (1-cos(56.8738/2)) = 0.633454m

outerCapVolume = (Pi * 0.633454^2 * (3*5.25 - 0.63345))/3 = 6.352 m^3
innerCapVolume = (Pi * 0.669873^2 * (3*5 - 0.669873))/3 = 6.734 m^3

diskVolume = Pi * 2.5^2 * 0.25 + OuterCapVolume - InnerCapVolume = 4.5267 m^3

volumeOfGoldMined = (outerSphereVolume - innerSphereVolume) - diskVolume = (606.131 - 523.599) - 4.5267 = 78.00551879 m^3

1228 / 78.00551879 = 15.7425 gold/m^3

Theoretical Max Gold (perfect sphere):

Surface Area:
4 * Pi * 5^2 * 4.189 = 1316.01

Volume:
(4 * Pi)/3 * (5.25^3 - 5^3) * 15.7425 = 1299.26

numbers after accounting for area/volume lost by cylinder:

• 4.189 gold/m^2
• 15.7425 gold/m^3

Max Gold Sphere: 1300 - 1316 gold

so, the Crassus' tunnel costs around 80 potential gold 🤷‍♂️

however, no player would ever be able to actually achieve the 1300 gold from a perfect sphere, so i think it should just be notated in the wiki as ~1200 gold and call it a day

[glacial topaz]

list the different scenarios for expected gold gain, such as "floor only" and "inside a thin tunnel" and later the "theoritical limit"

[floral drift]

it does not, sorry to disappoint.

[winged acorn]

@floral drift Hey, I'm sorry if I'm being dense about this (again), but I'm adding your results to the Wiki, and I want to double check that I'm phrasing what players need to do maximize the gold yield correctly. On the attempt that yielded 1228 gold, did the Crassus follow you down a driller tunnel, (widening it to 5 m in diameter as it went), or did you make the initial tunnel some other way? I'm asking because have no idea if a driller tunnel is bigger or smaller than the 5m diameter tunnel left by the Crassus, so I just wanted to double check that you didn't use a pick-axe tunnel or something, and me saying players could use a driller tunnel would actually slightly lower yield by making the hole in the shell larger than it needs to be.

[glacial topaz]

Imagine driller making a tunnel that wide...

[floral drift]

sure! i'm happy to help clarify, i know that my writing style is hard to read and interpret sometimes

[winged acorn]

Right. I guess a driller tunnel is more like, what? 1?

[winged acorn]

Or less? Dwarves are short.

[glacial topaz]

"it will destroy a chunk of terrain approximately 2m wide by 2.2m tall by 1m deep in the direction that(...)" - Drill's page

[orchid jewel]

2.2 meters tall? that makes the dwarves like.. 7ft?

not very short are they?

[floral drift]

1. As Driller playing in Solo Haz1, I drilled into the wall horizontally creating a tunnel approximately 2m wide by 2.2m tall by 15m long
2. I aggro'd the Crassus Detonator to chase me into the tunnel
3. Because the Crassus Detonator is larger than a Driller tunnel, it started digging towards me, enlarging the tunnel from a 2mx2.2m rectangle into a 5m diameter cylinder.
4. I let it position itself directly in front of me, kill me, and used Iron Will. In this manner, I effectively placed myself at the center of the explosion and my Driller tunnel ended far less than 10m from the explosion center (ensuring the golden sphere didn't intersect my tunnel)
5. After killing it and getting the desired "nearly perfect sphere", my IW elapsed and I had to let Bosco revive me to mine the gold

i believe that the method i used is the best possible case for maximizing terrain-to-gold conversion from a Crassus Detonator explosion.

[orchid jewel]

Yeah, that seems pretty 'best-case' to me.

[floral drift]

the tunnel is 2.2m tall; i think a dev once said that the dwarves are like 1.5m tall

[orchid jewel]

Great work on that, by the way

[glacial topaz]

what a nice way to get Dwarf height, by knowing the tunnels dimentions , at the right angle, one can can measure the Dwarf height
we probably checked it with laser pointer some time ago

[floral drift]

i think the command i used to find those numbers is from GetAll WPN_DoubleDrills_C CarveSize which returns {'x': 200, 'y': 150, 'z': 220} or something along those lines. i did it as part of my investigation into Drills a few weeks ago for the Karl.gg blog and Drilling in the Name of's video

the x/z coords easily translate to width and height, but the depth value (y coord) didn't seem to line up with actual results. after extensive math it behaves more like 1.03m carved horizontally, and i rounded it to 1m for the Wiki

[glacial topaz]

and what is the explanation for the extra 3 centimeters

[floral drift]

math

[low hamlet]

don't even start digging into the dimensions of stuff in drg it falls apart very very quickly

ex. you can use the bullets as a reference and they just don't match at all

[glacial topaz]

is it just because that 1 meter starts after the wall's limit
so when it destroys the cave, a 3cm layer is left, and it gets destroyed for being too thin ?

[floral drift]

it is not.

just... give me some time to type up the methodology in a text editor and then i'll copy/paste into this channel. be forewarned: it's probably going to be over 2k chars

[glacial topaz]

can't you draw something

[floral drift]

it is within my capability, but it would still need words to explain.

[floral drift]

only 1780 chars 🎉

here's the methodology that i used to calculate Drills breaking 1.03m per dig:

Values measured by Laser Pointer:

• Carve distance check: 2m
• Distance carved per chunk: 0.9m
• Closest possible distance: 0.4m

Values extracted either via Console Commands or Game Files:

• Terrain removed per chunk: [2m, 1.5m, 2.2m]

With both Mining Speed upgrades equipped on the Drills, the player moves at 3 * 1.1 * (0.1 + 0.5 + 0.1 + 0.1) = 2.64 m/sec. Additionally, the Drills will attempt to break terrain 3 times per second with both Mining Speed upgrades equipped.

When I did my tests with both Mining Speed upgrades equipped, I noticed that although it would make 16 attempts to break terrain, the distance tunneled was only 13.5m which corresponded to only 15 terrain chunks being successfully broken. After getting a friend to spectate me in game, I confirmed that it only broke terrain 15 times. The first 10 worked, the 11th would "skip", and then the last 5 would work too.

Ultimately, I needed to calculate both how far from the wall I start as well as the distance carved per terrain break such that:

Movespeed = 2.64
0.4 <= StartingDistance < 0.55
0.9 <= DistanceCarved < 1.05
StartingDistance + DistanceCarved = 1.5
StartingDistance + 10 * (DistanceCarved - Movespeed/3 Digs per second) < 2
StartingDistance + 11 * (DistanceCarved - Movespeed/3 Digs per second) >= 2
StartingDistance + 16 * (DistanceCarved - Movespeed/3 Digs per second) - (Movespeed/3 Digs per second) < 2

After a lot of "guess and check" plugging in the values, I eventually arrived at StartingDistance = 0.47m and DistanceCarved = 1.03m. Both of those values satisfy the constraint equations, and provide a theoretical model that matches up with in-game test results. You can read more about those results here on the Karl.gg blog: https://karl.gg/blog/24

@winged acorn you might be interested to know, Crassus Detonator's explosion also converts Engineer's platforms to gold too. (just tested in game)

so, in theory, an Engineer could seal up the tunnel behind Crassus with a lot of platforms and theoretically a perfect sphere might be possible. very difficult to do in normal gameplay, but actually possible

[winged acorn]

Interesting. I'd be interested to know how close an experimental result is to your calculation.

[floral drift]

testing now 😉

[floral drift]

results of test: Glyphid Crassus Detonator can teleport.

every time i got the hole halfway sealed behind the Crassus, it would teleport to the other side (towards the main cave system), dig through the platforms i just made, and undo my progress.

unable to get full sphere at this time. 😦

sorry, i can't think of a way to get the full sphere. i guess at this point it remains theoretical.

[real sparrow]

Can you seal the hole after it has started its explosion animation? Might not be enough time

[floral drift]

not easily. platforms don't really fill in volume very well; it would need like 4 engineers coordinating

[winged acorn]

Because of how platforms are oriented, would it help if you drilled the tunnel straight down?

[floral drift]

probably. don't see how it would fix the teleporting problem though

also it would be harder to catch the sphere's skin because it would hit the skinny part of the platforms

[bold plover]

I'll see if I can do it.

[low hamlet]

you excited about the hundreds of screenshots you are going to have to take?

im equally excited about the hundreds of screenshots im going to have to photoshop

also question: is it at all a possibility for you to edit the bg that you get when taking those screenshots? or use ansel and take the screenshots with a greenscreen because that would be immensely helpful

[bold plover]

I haven't been using Ansel for them, but I remember a method for it to have noclip and infinite distance so if I can find the right spot, sure.

[low hamlet]

alright

it would be immensely helpful if you put a very contrasted color in the background

[bold plover]

Magenta / neon pink? Like:

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/713439829131788358/733172997724307516/unknown.png

[low hamlet]

that will work perfectly

[marsh osprey]

That looks like mcglyphid lol

[orchid jewel]

Finally. Edible glyphid

I take bite

[winged acorn]

I think the inner diameter of a crassus crater is actually 13 m. 🙃 (fixed, said radius earlier)

[glacial topaz]

what was the method used to measure and reach 13m ?

[floral drift]

if that's the case, then the numbers change to 133.198 m^3 of gold mined to get 1228, and 9.219 gold/m^3

which is a lot closer to the gamefiles' listed 8.5 "UnitsPerLenth" [sic]

larger gold sphere also means less gets lost to the 5m crassus tunnel, so the max gold actually decreases to 1271.38

[winged acorn]

In a sphere with a hole in it near the equator, standing on the edge of the hole and measuring distance to a spot on the other side. Also standing at the bottom and measuring the distance to the top and adding it to the distance measured looking straight down (which usually 1.4m)

[floral drift]

for the vertical measurement, you may have accidentally double-counted the Laser Pointer's offsets. from the Fall Damage trivia section:

When using the Laser Pointer to point down to the ground you're about to fall to, the distance shown will be 1.5m too high. For example: if the ledge was 5.1m tall, the Laser Pointer would show 6.6m looking down. Similarly, when using the Laser Pointer to look up, it will show a distance that is 0.9m too short. Again, using a height of 5.1m, from the ground looking up the Laser Pointer would show that the ledge is 4.2m away.
so you should subtract 2.4m 0.6m from the vertical measurement...

in that example the Laser Pointer would indicate that the two ledges would be 10.8m apart, when in reality they're only 10.2m apart.

one of the major problems with using in-game experimental data to test things is that the tools available to measure these things are very imprecise. Laser Pointer doesn't tell actual distance, and its precision is limited to the tenths place; crosshairs don't display the precise spread for hitscan tracers; the ammo counter on the weapon model updates a frame before the ammo counter on the HUD; enemies' Temperature Meters don't update frequently or precisely; etc etc

[winged acorn]

Gotcha. I'll leave the "10m" figures on the wiki unless I hear different from someone with more familiarity than me with such things. BTW, I replicated your "kill it at the back of a tunnel" method and got just one more gold than you did, so that figure seems to be fairly consistent. Right now I'm working on seeing how much less gold there is if the sphere has two Crassus bore holes in it.

[floral drift]

if you're comfortable using mods, there's a tool named Speedometer which displays in-game XYZ coords in addition to your speed. you can use that to get more-precise measurements of distance

[bold plover]

13 is what the game says it is.

[floral drift]

@bold plover why do you let us do all these tests when you can just look up the answers? 🤪

[orchid jewel]

He enjoys watching you scratch your heads

[winged acorn]

I don't suppose you could just spawn and detonate a Crassus in the middle of soild terrain and tell us how much gold that gives you?

[glacial topaz]

teleportation issues

[winged acorn]

I'm assuming if you're using console commands or mods or whatever to spawn a Crassus in a specific location that you would also be able to freeze enemies in place.

Or make it instantly detonate when spawned

Gold with two bore-holes was 1187, suggesting a loss of only 42 gold per bore hole. That's consistent with what @floral drift calculated with the 13m diameter.

[floral drift]

yay! theoretical numbers are mirroring practical results 🎉

[bold plover]

Why are you here just to suffer? For my entertainment of course.

[floral drift]

[are you not entertained].gif

[bold plover]

I can't do any theoretical stuff but I can certainly get some numbers or whatever else, just got to bring it up.

[floral drift]

request permission to ping you incessantly in this channel any time i need an obscure number looked up? 😏

[bold plover]

Sure, no guarantees that it won't be ignored.

[low hamlet]

yey

new bg looks pretty sweet

[bold plover]

It would be a shame if Fandom made some changes . . again.

[orchid jewel]

Shh

They'll hear you

[low hamlet]

riiiight

never falls apart

[floral drift]

i just observed something potentially new: I think that Scout's Cryo Grenade does more Cold than just its impact. while testing something else, i noticed that the OG Dreadnought's Temp Meter would go up while it passed through the residual cloud.

[bold plover]

Yes, it does have a lingering effect.

[weary sonnet]

Can’t find anything about it in the files though.

[bold plover]

Err, I guess at one point it was discussed, looking at it now and I guess they never implemented it.

[floral drift]

it definitely looked implemented just now

[weary sonnet]

I remember seeing evidence of it in game as well.

But I see nothing that could explain it looking at the files.

[wary cove]

@winter cairn #lfg-steam is the channel you're looking for. You can also leave a steam profile link in #steam-profile-sharing along with a description about yourself and how you're looking for other players in your region

[wicked cave]

Clarification on shellbacks - the wiki states they are “totally immune to freezing”. I /think/ this may be a little nuanced - while they aren’t slowed/stopped/frozen into a shellsicle by cryo, I thought they do still have a temp meter that can be fully chilled to the point where they take 3x damage from being “frozen”. Can anyone here confirm?

(Couldn’t find anything addressing this directly in the chat history here, but maybe my search-fu is weak this morning)

[low hamlet]

ive never heard of that being a thing, but someone else can confirm

[shell frigate]

You can proc fragile & temperature shock on them

Thought the frozen damage increase was tied to the material being shown so not sure on that one

[orchid jewel]

I think that black shellbacks cant be frozen, I believe ive tried and failed on them

[short cloud]

they can be frozen but they won't enter the "frozen state" and won't stop moving

they do have the 3x bonus damage

and you can temp shock them too

[acoustic scarab]

It probably has something to do with Shellbacks being the only enemies affected by gravity while alive

(all enemies are affected by gravity when dead)

[indigo kindle]

Nayaka Trawlers can't be frozen (immobilised) either but take x3 damage and can be tempshocked.

[wicked cave]

But I do think the 3x damage on frozen shellback is only if you’re hitting an exposed unarmored bit, unlike typical frozen state where you can bypass heavy armor

Needs some validation

[short cloud]

yeah

[floral drift]

like others have already said, it has been my observation that Q'ronar Shellbacks will take 3x Direct damage when "Frozen" and unrolled. their Heavy Armor still works to make them take no Direct damage while rolled and they can still move. i've also noticed Fragile working vs "Frozen" Younglings.

so, i concur that the Frozen status effect mostly works for these enemies; it just doesn't change the physical model or immobilize them.

[wicked cave]

Just to clarify - do they also take 3x damage when fully chilled and rolling, provided you have blown off a chunk of armor and can manage to hit a spot with no armor?

[floral drift]

that is what i recall, yes, but it might be prudent to do some additional testing with this mechanic in mind.

[floral drift]

re-watching the recording i made of Cryo Grenade vs OG Dreadnought, i'm starting to wonder if the "increasing cold" in the Temperature Meter isn't from the AoE cloud left behind, but rather from how the TempMeter displays large changes to temperature. without having a way to measure the internal temperature of an enemy, there's no way to really test this due to the imprecise display next to the healthbar.

[bold plover]

@floral drift getall EnemyTemperatureReplicatorComponent TemperatureEffect

Which is weird, considering:

This does constantly change based off of temperature, so I recommend using slomo or a mod to slow time for the info.

Going to test it on a generic enemy and see if it is % based, so -100 = 100% of what it needs to freeze, 0 is default, 100 = 100% needed to ignite.

[floral drift]

👀 thanks!

[bold plover]

Yep. It appears that only works for Dreads so I'll see if I can figure out anything for other enemies / passives.

Do you guys have the data for fire spread from enemies?

[floral drift]

negative. all that Elyth and I have been able to collect so far is the Boolean "isHeatSourceOnFire" and Float "OnFireHeatRange"

no clue what Heat/sec each enemy does yet (AFAIK)

[bold plover]

getall EnemyTemperatureComponent OnFireHeatRange

[floral drift]

right... OnFireHeatRange. the 2nd one i mentioned

[bold plover]

150-200

So, 1.5m to 2m.

Need anything else for it?

[floral drift]

yes, the Heat per second dealt to other enemies while they're on fire

so if Grunt A is on fire, and Grunt B has Temp=0 but is standing within 1.5m from A, how much Heat/sec does A do to B?

[bold plover]

6?

[floral drift]

is that extracted from WarmingRate? that has to do with when Grunt A has a Temp < 0. AFAIK it's not how much Heat is dealt to other enemies

it would be interesting if it was, though 🤔

double-using the one value

[bold plover]

I could change it and see.

Changed their health to 1 million and I'll change the warming rate to do that much damage. Edit: nope.

[bold plover]

5 damage, for sure.

[floral drift]

wait, being on fire damages nearby enemies at 5 Fire-element damage per tick? or it does 5 Heat to make them raise nearby enemies' temps?

[bold plover]

Default__STE_EnemyOnFire_C:DotStatusEffectItem_0 damageAmount (Min=999999,Max=999999)

I did this and they all died immediately since I kept them burning each other.

Default is Min 5, Max 5

[floral drift]

to clarify, that's not the same DoT effect that is already known as "Burning" right?

that's the DoT effect of enemies heating/damaging other nearby enemies

[bold plover]

As soon as they are ignited they take whatever that damage is since they died on ignition.

And they spread that same damage.

Tested by making it 10k damage, ignited an enemy with 1m health, they did not die immediately from igniting and they spread that damage to nearby enemies. Still need to figure out the warming rate I guess.

[floral drift]

fascinating 🧐

did that damage also light nearby enemies on fire, aka do any Heat?

Warming Rate is already known and documented, it's how quickly they recover from being Chilled by Cryo Cannon, Cryo Grenade, or Cryo Minelets

it interacts with the Frozen status effect

[bold plover]

did that damage also light nearby enemies on fire, aka do any Heat?
This is what I meant.

It still builds their temperature slowly.

Needs at least 2 enemies on fire to keep it ongoing.

[floral drift]

so it's 5 Fire-element damage + 5 Heat, or only 5 Heat?

[bold plover]

The fire spread does 5 damage as well as increases temp by some small amount.

As when I had: Default__STE_EnemyOnFire_C:DotStatusEffectItem_0 damageAmount (Min=9999,Max=9999)

It did a lot of damage but it did not heat enemies up quickly.

[floral drift]

👍 nice. thanks for looking that up! i know @weary sonnet has been investigating that OnFireHeatRange stuff for a while

[bold plover]

Trying to figure out what controls the temp increase

[floral drift]

for the DotStatusEffectItem_0 that does 5 Damage, what's the tickrate? same as Burn DoT 0.3-0.5 interval?

[bold plover]

0.25 - 0.5

[floral drift]

unrelated to Burn DoT stuff, what's the output of STE_ZiplineFallDamageReduction?

it doesn't end unless the player dies, but it's supposed to be temporary. i'm wondering if the duration isn't set or something...

[bold plover]

LOL

Duration=-1.000000
RemoveOnDeath=True```

[floral drift]

yup, that's what i expected. i bet they just have to change Duration from -1 to 3 and it'll be fixed

[bold plover]

StatChange=0.250000```

[floral drift]

👍 yep, already figured out the 25% FDR just from experimental data and gamefiles. thanks!

[bold plover]

Only U32 data that I can get, so it might be out of date.

[floral drift]

makes me wonder if the U32 [5 damage, 0.25-0.5] DoT dealt to nearby enemies of a Burning enemy got updated to mirror the new Burn DoT's [6, 0.3-0.5] in U34 🤔

[weary sonnet]

@bold plover @floral drift for the On Fire Heat Range we got the value a while ago, it was on the wiki on the temperature page.
iirc the heat value was from daga

On Fire Heat Range: All creatures act as a heat source when they are on fire, they deal 5 heat damage per second to any creature within a certain radius around them.

To see if it was updated or not, in game tests with CE and some modded weapons will be needed.

[vivid hill]

random information for the wiki, omen drones are affected by lures

[wicked cave]

Does the lure do “exclusive” aggro on OMEN drones like it would with a nearby grunt, or does it just count as one more possible aggro target like with a dread?

[vivid hill]

it counts as one more aggro target

[wicked cave]

Gotcha. Still useful

[vivid hill]

because they still went after me some of the time

[vivid hill]

addtion to it, heavy burster ignores lures

[rancid crest]

Can Sticky Flames ignite Neurogas?

Page for neurogas nades claims no, but I’m getting answers that say yes from other people

Same for incendiary nades lingering fire too

[floral drift]

i would imagine "yes" -- i've been downed by Sticky Flames igniting Praetorian clouds. easy enough to test, too, since NT grenade and Flamethrower are both on Driller.

[rancid crest]

So wiki is wrong here probably?

[acoustic scarab]

Wasn't it changed at one point to not ignite neuro grenade gas?

It definitely used to ignite it

[orchid jewel]

Ive had it ignite recently..so, it needs to be changed

EPC, sticky flames, Breach cutter, direct fire, etc will all ignite neuro

[orchid jewel]

If you all would like I can hop on and test it the same way I did egg flesh melting

[orchid jewel]

Confirmed. It does not

14 second sticky flames (Unstable Sticky OC and the 2 duration upgrades). The cloud hit full size and didnt detonate until I splashed it directly

I could SEE the fire in the center so I know that it was just sticky flames not setting off neuronades

When this was changed I have no clue

[acoustic scarab]

Probably when enough people complained that they explode their own toxin cloud with the flamer before it could do any real damage :V

[orchid jewel]

sounds like a skill and Personal mishap instead of a mechanical issues but kay

I know Prae and Oppr Still boom from sticky flames, I light their corpses to the cloud explodes as early as possible

[acoustic scarab]

No, with how big the cloud is, I think it's easy to accidentally erase it with flames. I can definitely see where the frustration came from.

[orchid jewel]

I assume you meant they sploded it early, not as a full cloud

That makes more sense yeah

Im just happy flying nightmare still ignites it

[night spade]

Thought of putting this up for discussion, because it may just be my being inexperienced with sci-fi spaceships, but I think the Space Rig's shape bears a close resemblance to Wall-E's Axiom, and I haven't seen this mentioned in the trivia section yet.

[fathom crag]

does anyone know if iron will pickaxe damage stacks with slayer stout/SYIH

[austere fossil]

If by Slayer Stout you mean Skullcrusher Ale, yes.

[fathom crag]

thank you very much

is slayer stout the Power attack recharge then?

[austere fossil]

Yes

[orchid jewel]

Hey, lads I discovered somethin today

It seems that the Dwarves voices are pitched in post (as in when the Dwarf speaks the line) as I just got a gunner line from Engineer's mouth, and it sounded like engi (using a mod ofc)

Should I toss that intro Trivia?

[austere fossil]

Is that not on the wiki? The pitch %s?

[orchid jewel]

the pitch %s are, but its not mentioned that its done in post as far as I know

[austere fossil]

Yeah, on the class pages it has their %

hmm, I guess it isn't explicitly stated that's what it does

[orchid jewel]

yeah, It says its the same voice actor pitched

but it doesnt say that its Pitched as the line is spoken, I always thought they pitched the lines for the dwarf specifically (though I guess that explains the High oxygen modifier or whatever its called. Rich Atmosphere?)

[austere fossil]

I guess it's not clear enough, then?

Cause it was known that it's all done at one pitch and then just shifted depending on which dwarf is speaking it

[orchid jewel]

Mhm, dunno why i thought they did it in such an inefficent way lol

[austere fossil]

Speaking of, is Underhill still bugged to leave you at 100% pitch after it wears off?

[orchid jewel]

Not a damn clue lmao. Thats something for McB or Ely to test since they're good with fudging around in the code

I suppose I could open up the Experimental Branch and see, god knows ive got the materials to drink enough underhills to find out

[austere fossil]

Since Engi is 105% you end up sounding pretty close to an Engi despite being a Driller/Scout and it's kinda obvious.

[orchid jewel]

i'll check, hold on

i'll use driller as my testing dummy, and will get back to you as soon as I can confirm which might take a bit

or I would, but my Experimental branch is shitting itself

note;

are the infoboxes supposed to display like this for the NeuroNade

[bold plover]

It is a very efficient way, lol. Record all the lines from the voice actor, throw all the lines in to be shared by all the classes and just change the pitch by class. I even have this setup for one of my mod updates so that my custom lines are pitched similarly depending on what class you are.

[orchid jewel]

Two things to note while testing for the Underhill bug

1. I was able to revert back to full size and keep the tiny voice by dying in the hoop, but once the effect of the beer audibly wore off it was back to plain driller

2. I was able to drink a beer while already under the effects of underhill and it played the normal voiceline without the pitch shift (Saluting gave me the typical pitch-shift)

im not sure if these are known, but its good to mention i feel

[orchid jewel]

yeah haha, im just very stupid sometimes.

[low hamlet]

which infoboxes

[orchid jewel]

The Initial and Ignition stats

Ive never seen us tuck them away like that before, but I also understand given the pages formatting that might be normal

at least 10 underhills in, Though I know theres more and ive just lost the mugs- its not happened for me yet, and im getting increasingly impatient at waiting for hte effect to end

have also again disproved that myth of "only 10 mugs or so on the space rig"

several beers in, still no bug. I hope McB happpens to have a mod that makes beer effects much shorter

[bold plover]

only longer

[orchid jewel]

😔

damn it

i wasnt able to replicate the bug and unfortunately my masochism doesnt extend to testing for bugs.

[orchid jewel]

Im betting it still happens from time to time though. Besides my notes as seen here, I didnt really notice anything unusual

[orchid jewel]

noticed the dreadnought twins where fixed. I assume that was your fixes finally going through @low hamlet?

[wicked cave]

Do we know which slow effects apply to a dread, and how much the dread resists each? For example, Neurotoxin, IFG, goo, sticky flames, cryo. Do all of these affect a dread? Does the dread have a fixed partial resistance to slow that applies some % increase in speed across all these different slow methods?

[orchid jewel]

iirc dreads arent affected by slow. at least Sticky Flames and Neuronades

[wicked cave]

I’ve heard that too, but my own experience runs counter to that, at least with NTP AC

[orchid jewel]

I'll consider testing it in a minute, I was about to hop back on anyway

[wicked cave]

Also chilling a dread with cryo definitely seems to slow it briefly

[orchid jewel]

I cant get exact numbers but i can for sure see if it slows them at all

[wicked cave]

Hiveguard absolutely can be slowed by sentinel goo too

So it’s not a blanket immunity

[orchid jewel]

Gonna be a pain testing for each one

[wicked cave]

But IFGs seem to affect it far less, and sticky flames hardly at all

(I’m also assuming the behavior is the same for all three varieties but that’s probably not a safe bet either)

[orchid jewel]

its not, I know for a fact the dreads dont share identical stats

ughh, Fuck, Does Freeze slow them down more the more their temp drops, or is it a blanket freeze?

[wicked cave]

I could guess based on gameplay experience, but it would be a guess.

[austere fossil]

more slow the lower it gets

[orchid jewel]

okay, for testing purposes heres what im running in this mission with

CRSPR
1-3-2-2 Sticky Fuel

CYRO
3-3-2-2-2 Snowball

IFGs

lets get this shit done lads

[wicked cave]

That would’ve been my guess! 😉

Ah yes, the common driller max CC build, sticky + cryo + IFG 😂

[orchid jewel]

on the engineer at that

Just have to disable any mods that im not using to make sure that I can test this proper.
Do Dreadnought Resistances scale w/ Hazard level?

[austere fossil]

Enemy speed in general can

[orchid jewel]

pissy shitty

I'll run through on a hazard 1 then. since I cant get the exact numbers anyway, I might as well just see if we have more things to look into to begin with

[wicked cave]

I think the slow will be /much/ more obvious on H5

That’s where my assertion that “slow still works” comes from…slapping an OG dread with NTP on H5 suddenly makes it an escapable foe

[orchid jewel]

Fair enough. let me relaunch the mission then

My Current Estimate looks something like this

CYRO: ✅
CRSPR: 🚫
IFG: ✅
Neuro: 🚫

So far it seems all of them have slowed him

its hard to tell because the bastard wont stay aggro'd

yup, can confirm

Will relaunch again with Neuro-nades instead and test that

guess who forgot to bring a proper ranged weapon?

ive also got another myth to test now

Can Lacerator ignite Neuronades?

[low hamlet]

should have been fixed a while ago i believe

[orchid jewel]

Ive only just now seen it, wanted to compliment how nice it looked

ive got reason to believe neurotoxin will slow dreads now as well

CYRO: ✅
CRSPR: ✅
IFG: ✅
Neuro: ✅

so we're lookin at this now.

I dont have the Spawn menu to test if goo'll slow down the other dreads but my bet is that they can, so lets makr that as a ✅ too

They also seem to share different resistances to these affects ofc

[wicked cave]

Yeah. Thanks for the quick test run.

[orchid jewel]

No Problem, didnt take very long haha

that reminds me, i do need to test that lacerator thing now

piss

Surprisingly.

the lacerator doesnt ignite the gas

i'll update the Neurotoxin Grenades page to reflect this

though ive got a question about the "Swarm page"
Does Friends Only count as solo should nobody be in your lobby, or MUST you launch as a solo mission? (Specifically for the Dreadnought Swarm)
im assuming the latter, because of course it would be that way

[floral drift]

if the "Do X missions Solo" achievements are any indication, my guess is the latter; you would have to launch as Solo, not just as Friends-only with no teammates.

[orchid jewel]

fair enough

[analog rock]

I can confirm that Meatshield is right, solo mode is the only thing that counts as solo.
(From a technical standpoint, having a friends only game will still create a lobby, whereas the solo mode does not)

[orchid jewel]

Cool, I figured as much from personal experience and rational thought but wanted to confirm

[analog rock]

Just got a confirmation that this was intentional.

[orchid jewel]

coolio. still weird though, i would have expected them to interact

[rancid crest]

dreads don't have any form of slow immunity as far as I'm aware

they resist it proportionately based on their elemental resistances apparently?

[orchid jewel]

dude, you are way late

i already tested it

[wicked cave]

Do we know their numerical resistance to slow?

Wiki only seems to list immunity not resistance

[rancid crest]

its whatever the relevant elemental resist is, afaik

[wicked cave]

(Though it’s broke as fack on mobile so who knows what it says)

Hmm.

So like, resistance to IFG slow is based on electrical damage resistance?

[rancid crest]

50% fire resistance means 50% sticky flame slow resistance, 60% electricity slow means 60% ifg/emd/turret arc resistance, 20% frost resistance means 20% resistance to low temperature slow?

[wicked cave]

Hmm!

[rancid crest]

or something like that

[wicked cave]

Do they (or anything?) have neuro resistance?

[rancid crest]

mind you, I'm no longer sure whether or not that's still true

[floral drift]

@weary sonnet is the person who figured out Dreadnought's Slow Resistances originally. i do not remember what the final verdict was.

[rancid crest]

I last asked about it like... a year, maybe two ago? and given the dreadnought rework happened between then and now, it could be wrong now

assuming my info still holds true, I don't see an acid resistance listed so I'm not sure they resist neurotoxin?

[fathom crag]

does dreadnaught shield have more/less resistances compared to normal hitbox?

[rancid crest]

less

[fathom crag]

gotcha

[rancid crest]

ely also mentioned that dread hitboxes/resistances are bugged as hell though like a few months ago though

I wonder if u34.5 did anything about it?

[tender garnet]

How do I become a wiki editor

[rancid crest]

Ely's list of theoretical values #wiki-related-chatroom message

And their notes on what the actual values are #wiki-related-chatroom message

the wiki intentionally lists the theoretical ones despite them being supposedly completely wrong btw, so don't use the wiki for this

[fathom crag]

i see

so hyperprop is really good until thats fixed

and theres no kinetic resistance?

hmm

[rancid crest]

as far as I'm aware nothing resists kinetic at all

[wicked cave]

until thats fixed

That double damage hit box comment is fascinating. Explains why on occasion I’ve gotten astounding one shot damage with hyper prop that’s hard to duplicate

[floral drift]

it's a community Wiki, so anyone can edit it. what were you thinking of changing or adding?

[tender garnet]

Idk, I jsut want to contribute

Be important

[wicked cave]

Still doesn’t quite explain the connection to slow, but if the assumption about elemental damage resistance = associated slow resistance is correct, then that helps

Also backs up my gut feel that neuro slowdown is very good on dreads

[fathom crag]

i feel like theyll be completely immune

im not home rn so i cant test it

[wicked cave]

To neuro slow? They’re not…

Works quite well

[fathom crag]

hmm

[wicked cave]

I was mostly curious about which slow effect was most powerful on each dread

[fathom crag]

dreads are immune to stuns right?

[wicked cave]

Which is complicated since each slow effect has a different base slow

Yes but Stun != slow though

[rancid crest]

I experimented with a build using cryo cannon where I intentionally pulsed the beam when it was near frozen to stop it from freezing while being very close to the freeze point as long as possible

[fathom crag]

gotcha

[wicked cave]

Stun is the stagger animation like when you toss an axe into a guard’s face

[tender garnet]

One thing I noticed is that snow breaks your fall :3

Though I’m sure that’s something well documented

[fathom crag]

so warthog would slow dread instead of stun

[wicked cave]

Erm…dunno about that. Does warthog apply slow?

[rancid crest]

no?

[fathom crag]

no its like a 50% chance to stun

[rancid crest]

stun doesn't work on stun immune enemies, which the dread is

[wicked cave]

Stun != slow though?

[low hamlet]

dunno

[tender garnet]

Wdym

Snow does break ur fall tho

It works a little better then plats

[fathom crag]

probably on the glacial strata page

[tender garnet]

Yup yup

[low hamlet]

might be

[tender garnet]

Prolly

[rancid crest]

I don't the the exact amount of fall dmg mitigation of snow is listed anywhere? at least it wasn't on any of the pages I checked

[low hamlet]

reminds me i need to get the fricken biome features on the wiki

[rancid crest]

oh wait no its in the fall damage page ok

[low hamlet]

could put it on both

[weary sonnet]

For the dread slow resistance :
The fire res work directly vs sticky flames
Electrocution res works directly vs electricity based slow (mostly IFG since they are immune to electrocution).
For the cold based slow it is linked to their current temperature and how close their are to their freeze temeperature.

[rancid crest]

is the 20% frost res only for frost damage from cryo cannon and not cold slow then?

[wicked cave]

Thanks. So extrapolating, there’s no resistance to poison so no resistance to neuro slow?

I also wonder where green/pink goo falls there

[weary sonnet]

On dread no there is no resistance to either of theses so far.

[rancid crest]

speaking of electrocution, I'm aware that they're immune to the dot electrocution that applies as a time duration status effect, but what about area electrocution effects like em discharge and turret arc?

[weary sonnet]

No creature has a resistance to poison.

[rancid crest]

hm?

didn't elite enemies resist acid damage in their initial release?

[weary sonnet]

Oh, execpt elites maybe, I forgot about them yeah.

[wicked cave]

Do we know the actual % reduction in movement speed for the various slow mechanisms?

[rancid crest]

all of them

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Status_Effects

[fathom crag]

how do you guys figure out the numbers?

[rancid crest]

the for one cryo is listed on the enemy's individual page since it's unique to per enemy

[low hamlet]

game files and real testing

[wicked cave]

Ok. Should be simple math then to work out what slows best (i.e. what results in slowest effective movement speed) vs dread resist

[low hamlet]

i dont do any of the number stuff because idk how and im dumb lol

[wicked cave]

Except for cryo I guess, which is variable

[rancid crest]

re: this question, what exactly is emd/arc's electrocute classified as? given it seems to bypass electrocution immunity

[weary sonnet]

I am the opposite of turtle, I gather numbers, but do little else theses days.
EMD and arc are classified as electricity based slow.

[rancid crest]

right, but they're not the same thing as "electrocution"?

oh wait emd doesn't slow

just arc then

[weary sonnet]

No they follow slightly different rules so they can stack with electrocution and can affect some creatures that are immune to it.

[rancid crest]

ok neat

[wicked cave]

It doesn’t?

[rancid crest]

well if it does, its not listed in the wiki and I'm in the middle of a mission so I can't check myself :V

[wicked cave]

(Pretty sure it does)

[low hamlet]

yep 😄

[wicked cave]

I use it on my main engi build

[low hamlet]

i started working on the wiki thinking "woah ill get so smort because of all the numbers" but nope lol

[wicked cave]

The numbers are (in theory) what elevates all this above schoolyard rumors 😉

[floral drift]

EMD applies the SMG's Electrocution DoT to all enemies it hits. so the explosion itself doesn't slow, but the DoT does

and yes, the Deep Snow in Glacial Strata reduces fall damage is documented both in the Glacial Strata page and the Fall Damage page. it's the same as Platforms Mk2 and Fungus Bogs' Sticky Goo

[orchid jewel]

yes

[floral drift]

when Elites originally released they had a generic ElementalResistance which included Acid/Poison, but ever since U34.4 only a couple of Elites resist Fire or Electricity. the generic ElementalResistance was removed.

Stun != slow. Glyphid Slasher's "Stun" is just a x0.5 movespeed slow for 1.5 seconds IIRC.

Stun status effect includes stopping allmovement, attack canceling, playing a stunned animation, and displaying a different icon next to healthbar. Slow only affects movespeed

[orchid jewel]

that reminds me, we dont include bugs in 'trivia' sections right?

besides the beer ones

iirc we dont, we had a spat over it because of EM Turret Discharge's..unique, interaction with flying turrets

but that just reminded me of that bug with stun, where soemtimes the glyphids become very discouraged and just cease to move, only playing their stun animation

[floral drift]

i once read that the perma-stun was tied to either stunning an enemy and then freezing them before the Stun elapses, or stunning an already-frozen enemy. haven't tested it, so i don't know which one is right (if either)

[orchid jewel]

I can check

Later, though.

[floral drift]

i just tested with Subata + Tranq Rounds and Cryo Cannon. perma-stun is from Stunning an enemy, and then Freezing the enemy before the stun ends

can't stun a Frozen enemy

[orchid jewel]

Would report to the #jira-bug-reporter since you have repo steps

if you havent already

[floral drift]

i already have 25 19 open Jira bugs 😆

[orchid jewel]

incredible

[floral drift]

sure, what's one more?

Jira bug report: submitted

[tender garnet]

Just did my first wiki edits <3

added a few things that weren't there

that reminds me

no where on the wiki does it state that Doretta take FF

[tender garnet]

Soo…

[rancid crest]

https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Drilldozer

[tender garnet]

Oh

I’m big brain

Anyway

It’s now been updated so that in the Trivia portion it states their is no cool down to snatching the head of dorretta

You can just grab it immediately

[low hamlet]

when you edit use the source editor so you'll get used to it

[tender garnet]

?

What do you mean

[orchid jewel]

dont edit in visual, use the source editor

[tender garnet]

Uh alrifht?

How

[orchid jewel]

hit the 3 dots next to edit and click edit source

[tender garnet]

Ohhh

Ok

[low hamlet]

do you have any experience with html?

[tender garnet]

Nope

Well

Actually

Kind of?

But why should I use the source editor

The visual editor is easier

[low hamlet]

in the future, it isn't

[tender garnet]

?

why not

[low hamlet]

you can't do half the things with it that you can in source

and it kinda sucks

like, you can't design tables even close to as well as you can in source

[glacial topaz]

"There is also a rare type of swarm composed of only Swarmers, with the occasional Glyphid Grunt."
it can't have "occasional" grunts if it has "only" Swarmers
so, is there grunts for it, or is it "mostly" swarmers ?

[low hamlet]

the quote is correct

[wary cove]

should be "mostly" swarmers

It doesn't make sense otherwise. Although, the grunts may not be from the wave at all and just be separate enemies just catching up to people while the swarmer wave is active.

You might want someone to check on what exactly is supposed to spawn in those waves then edit it accordingly by either changing the "only" to "mostly" or removing the last bit entirely.

[low hamlet]

it's like how there are also other enemies in praetorian swarms

[glacial topaz]

different swarm types
and praetorian have that system that turns them into oppressors

anyway, the link for it : https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Glyphid_Swarmer?curid=1548&diff=25713&oldid=24202

@weary sonnet Do you remember if the Swarmers swarm type is exclusively Swarmers, or if Grunts can spawn for it ? (non natural spawns, ofc)

[wicked cave]

Hmm. We need some consistency in the wiki regarding stats for the slowing effect. Looks like we have:

• "Slowdown Strength" as a percent reduction, e.g. 75% for IFG
• "Movement speed" as a multiplier, e.g. x0.7 for Neurotoxin, which would be a 30% reduction
• "Slowdown" as a multiplier, e.g. x0.5 for Sticky Flames in the CRSPR page
• "Movement speed" expressed as a negative percent, e.g. -80% for Electrocution
• "Movement speed" expressed as a positive percent but referenced as a reduction, e.g. "reduces movement speed by 70%" for sticky goo

I don't mind making some cleanup edits. Any thoughts on which we should pick?

Movement speed as a multiplier seems most intuitive to me

[floral drift]

To the best of my knowledge, all slowdowns are multiplicative. however, most people find "-80% speed" more intuitive to understand than "x0.2 speed". that's probably why it's so inconsistent throughout the wiki -- people writing technically vs intuitively.

anyone who's read my articles know i write hyper-technically 😅

[wicked cave]

Fair, though some folks struggle intuitively with percent change too

I guess we could do both

Movement speed x0.2 (-80%) or something similar

maybe we could add a fifth entry here in the status effects page to reference / clarify movement speed?

although not everything that affects movement speed is a status effect, e.g. sticky flames

[glacial topaz]

that is for terminology
explaining mechanics doesn't seem to fit
also... not much to explain about it, the problem is just people's lack of Math understanding
if using "x0.2 (equal to a 80% reduction)" helps people with it, not bad

[wicked cave]

fair

I'll see what I can piece together for review

Tangentially related, do we know the value of "Maximum Cold Slowdown" for dreads (or other creatures)? Is this too obscure to go in the infoboxes? Referencing https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Temperature#Decreasing_Temperature

(looks like this is an Elythnwaen question based on the wiki history)

~~WIP for calculating net movement speed reduction of various slow types on the OG dread, thus the need for that value: ~~
EDIT: out of date, see further below

interestingly it looks like all the different duration-based slow effects that a dwarf can directly apply to the OG dread are in the same ballpark for effectiveness

(also I goofed on the sticky flames number)

[bold plover]

Turret arc slows them a ton

[floral drift]

U34 buffed Turret Arc to x0.2 movespeed IIRC, from x0.3

[wicked cave]

that would indeed make it most powerful

[bold plover]

So 80% slow with no resistance?

[wicked cave]

yeah

[floral drift]

possibly? i do not claim any knowledge of Slow Resistance

[wicked cave]

I'm thinking "slowdown" expressed as a positive percentage may be simplest

slowdown 80% (pretty slow) vs slowdown 10% (not very slowed) seems unambiguous to me

[floral drift]

i know GreyHound found that U34 changed Turret Arc to a new object, separate from Crystal Cavern's electro beams, and as a result Conductive Bullets doesn't get bonus damage from it.

so maybe that same oversight applies to "not being affected by Electrical Slowdown Resistance"? 🤷‍♂️

[wicked cave]

Going off Ely's previous research, slowdown resistance was tied to the elemental resistance associated with the thing doing the slowing

but I dunno if turret arc is special somehow in U34

hmm, EM discharge doesn't have a slowdown effect listed in the wiki

maybe it's just the base electrocution slowdown of 80%

[floral drift]

@wicked cave i mentioned this earlier

[wicked cave]

perfect, OK

so same as turret arc then

guess I can take assumption out

[floral drift]

not the same. Turret Arc is an entirely separate source of Electrocute that does 6 Electric Damage per Tick at 5 Ticks/sec and slows enemies by x0.2 while in contact with the beam. Turret EM Discharge is an explosion that does Fear and applies the default SMG Electrocute DoT (3 Damage, 4 Ticks/sec, 3 sec duration, also slows x0.2)

[wicked cave]

Thanks for the clarification. I should've qualified "for determining slow effects on a dread...same as turret arc" 🙂

(at least in this update)

[rancid crest]

it's in the enemy's infobox

just go to the enemy you want's page https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Glyphid_Dreadnought in this case

scroll the info box right... (that is really annoying btw, can that please be changed?)

[orchid jewel]

i think its our workaround for the last bug with infoboxes

[rancid crest]

what was the last bug? I don't think I was here for that

[orchid jewel]

infoboxes just outright shitting themselves.

the Dreadnought twins, the elite variants

[rancid crest]

ah rip

[wicked cave]

maybe I've been staring at percentages too long, but I can't make sense of that calculation

x0.5 speed, base is -10%, making enemies 55% slower?

[rancid crest]

x.9 then x.5

final is x.45 or -55%

[wicked cave]

gotcha. yup. brain tired

thanks

[floral drift]

baseline Sticky Flames have a x0.9 movespeed modifier. T3.B is x0.5.

0.9 x 0.5 = 0.45

x0.45 -> -55% speed

[wicked cave]

man now I'm rethinking my bulk edits to use slowdown as a positive percent

because it's tough to explain that 10% slowdown + 50% slowdown = 55% slowdown

movement speed multiplier would be more consistent and clear there

[floral drift]

yup. thus my earlier message about "technical vs intuitive" writing styles

[glacial topaz]

uhm... I don't think we should be using only the non entirely correct version
as I said before "x0.2 (equal to a 80% reduction)"
or similar
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/"Stubby"_Voltaic_SMG?curid=1442&diff=25731&oldid=24471

[wicked cave]

Thanks for the feedback. Was going for a succinct representation that didn't bump things out of line. Is "slowdown" not entirely correct?

I feel like if I went through and homogenized the slowdown terminology to be "movement speed x0.N (equal to a Y% reduction)" everywhere, that would be a bit rough

(It's also cool if the veterans here just advise me to give up my crusade, no hard feelings 😉 )

[floral drift]

opinion: i think a mixture of styles is acceptable, depending on context. if you're just saying what the slowdown of an individual thing is, then just use the % format. but if explaining how multiple slows interact then swap over the the x0.X style

[wicked cave]

(also just some meta-level feedback, I appreciate the coaching and engagement for a relative newbie wiki editor)

[glacial topaz]

due to the nature of being multiplicative and game using xS instead of -X% , the way to do it is to always use both versions
though I find x0.2 way faster to understand compared to 80%,
now on "Slowdown: 80% (x0.2 Movement Speed)" and "Movement Speed: x0.2 (80% Slowdown)"

[wicked cave]

Honestly I'd be fine just standardizing on x0.N and folks can get educated 😆

Mostly aiming for simplicity and consistency

[floral drift]

be aware: sometimes aiming for simplicity means sacrificing educational value. some articles require complexity

(but i've already written most of those technical pages)

[wicked cave]

Thanks again for the feedback. When it's convenient for you, have a look at https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Status_Effects?diff=prev&oldid=25732 and let me know if that looks better.

If so I can run with that (where it doesn't break formatting beyond my ability to fix)

[tender garnet]

should i add a trivia section to the Glyphid swarmers page that offers combat strageties for fighting swarmers

[glacial topaz]

Nay

[rancid crest]

A line between info and guides has to be drawn somewhere

Wiki articles there to give info, eg what stuff does imo

[glacial topaz]

guides and strategy is for the tips and tricks page

[rancid crest]

What to do with/how to use it is up to the player

[tender garnet]

oh, where is that

[glacial topaz]

Wiki 👀
https://deeprockgalactic.fandom.com/wiki/Tips,_tricks_and_strategies

[tender garnet]

nice

i'm gonna gear more towards edditing that

i'm gonna be a big contributer there

[wicked cave]

cool, I broke the wiki, what do I win

[floral drift]

[tender garnet]

How do you get the Wiki editor role'\

[orchid jewel]

you have to contribute enough work

same as any other labor-related role on this discord (really only the translators)

Otherwise my whole 3 additions would get me it lol

[tender garnet]

lmao

i've added a little bit more then three additions rn hehe

how do they know who is who tho

[orchid jewel]

probably suppose to link your fandom account to discord or somethin, I havent got a clue

I just edit shit in my free time, usually some stupid addition ive come across

i dont really expect to ever get the role, its just fun to sit and bash my keyboard like an ape

speaking of, uh, should we update the damn image for the creatures page?

That screenshot is ancient

[tender garnet]

i'm gonna work on adding in like a couple dozen new tips for the tips and tricks page

just stuff

[orchid jewel]

the most recent things ive noted is the Strange (but Intentional) interaction between the lacerator and Neuronades

oh, and the specifics on dwarf pitching, that too

What ever happened to that myths thing, did we ever start working or even add that?

I also added a Trivia Section to the Pickaxe customization page about the unreleased pickaxe parts showcased at the pickaxe station

[low hamlet]

it definitely can

not sure why it was added in the first place tbh

the plan is to move temp to its own section on each page

i also need to edit the skin css and clean it up/get rid of empty rules that are in there for some reason

also need to get rid of all the hydra selectors since they do nothing now

[tender garnet]

rules?

[orchid jewel]

Turtle recently had to redo all the infoboxes

[tender garnet]

mhm

[orchid jewel]

its probably got a few unnecessary things in there hes lookin to remove

[low hamlet]

these. the stuff not in the brackets

[orchid jewel]

also, Turtle can you answer this question for Dwarfette? i assume you would know. at least better than my answer

[low hamlet]

there are a quite a few empty rules like this

[tender garnet]

mhm

turtle is going deep into the code

i'm just here adding shit about spawners

hehe

[low hamlet]

sure! basically just edit on the wiki and contribute and eventually it'll happen

[orchid jewel]

Cool, figured it was that easy.

[tender garnet]

:)

good

[orchid jewel]

and what about the myths? have we abandoned that project?

[tender garnet]

anyway

i'm gonna be adding a lot to the tips and tricks page, considering it's kind of bare

[low hamlet]

dunno. i wasn't really working on that

i prefer working on formatting and code nitty gritty stuff

[orchid jewel]

I know we tossed the idea and Yoshkin made the reddit thread but I dont think we decided how to format it

[low hamlet]

ooh. alright

[orchid jewel]

and I dont want to be the reason somebody wastes an afternoon deleting code because I went ahead and tossed it under/above trivia lol

[low hamlet]

you can always screw around with it on ur user page if you wanted to

[orchid jewel]

i dont know how to do that, nor would I think it worth the effort lmao

??
do we not have the immunities for the tyrant weed's shell or?

[tender garnet]

also

[low hamlet]

that's something to ask ely about

[tender garnet]

i think the brood nexus's insta freeze?

[orchid jewel]

Will consider later, taking up Dwarfette's idea and working on tips and tricks since the page is rather bare (I mean who does know the ye olde jump toss trick with satchels?)

define 'insta freeze'

last i checked only scout's cyro nades could instantly freeze a nexus, a Cyrocannon would require some sustained fire

god who was in charge of spellchecking?

resuply

terrain,such

[floral drift]

Brood Nexus has TempChangeScale 4 i think, so it only needs 12.5 Cold to Freeze

[orchid jewel]

'tought'

ressuply

impaxe

[tender garnet]

also

we need to make the tips and tricks page more accesible

[orchid jewel]

Do we?

i feel like anyone looking up "DRG tips and tricks" or something like that would find it

[tender garnet]

its not accesible from the main page

[orchid jewel]

it might as well be

"How to Play" includes the Tips and tricks page right at the top

oh good god

do we use "Armours"

or Armors

[tender garnet]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-markiplier-gif-14835823

[tender garnet]

WELL ARE YOU A FUCKING COMMIE OR AN AMERICAN

[low hamlet]

no one really. unless the page creator asks

or i find it

[fathom crag]

is armor the main page? wtf

[low hamlet]

american english spellings, since that's what is used in-game

[orchid jewel]

alright, let me fix these ones in the TTaS page then

The Mactera Brundle uses "Amours"

[low hamlet]

yeah

[orchid jewel]

ive mostly gotten through the entire page and fixed it all

thank god

Its painful because certain things are flagged that dont need to be but technically isnt incorrect to flag

[low hamlet]

my favorite thing to do is clean up source on a page

sadge that you cant have really clean looking source with inline because it has wikitext :(

[orchid jewel]

'gentledwarf'

funniest shit ive read all day

alright

and- done

going back through to change all those pesky british spellings

"This page regroups every prescriptive and subjective informations (i.e. suggesting how to play the game). Its main purpose is to unclog the accumulated informations from the actual wiki pages, where the descriptive content is and must stay on."

should informations be information

[orchid jewel]

got em all. britian is no more lads

do we really have a goddamn template for {{gamename}} to change to Deep rock Galactic?

I assume thats a fandom thing but-

its like the same amount of keystrokes??