#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 52

low hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 3:10 PM

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correct

glacial topaz Feb 14, 2021, 3:14 PM

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I know that both seems to be correct, and if both can be used I would rather use a third word

low hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 3:53 PM

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the first one isnt grammatically correct

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the second is

signal meadow Feb 14, 2021, 3:54 PM

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what do you know about grammar, lootle shootle

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nice

low hamlet Feb 14, 2021, 3:58 PM

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lol

glacial topaz Feb 16, 2021, 1:07 AM

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is this all true ? not counting all the typos, just information https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Dreadnought_Twins?curid=4879&diff=22454&oldid=22425

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azure weald features were added as well, but it is quite incomplete, with the blue rocks part not mentioning the resistance gain

gusty bridge Feb 16, 2021, 1:16 AM

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glacial topaz I know that both seems to be correct, and if both can be used I would rather use...

specifically

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or particularly

gusty bridge Feb 16, 2021, 1:20 AM

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glacial topaz is this all true ? not counting all the typos, just information <https://deeproc...

i know they are invulnerable during the health sharing at least. the bar greys out

bold plover Feb 16, 2021, 1:27 AM

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Magic crystals give 50% damage reduction for 15s to enemies and players.

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Magic holes is 30% speed boost for 15s for enemies and players, with the addition of low gravity (~50% lower) for players.

glacial topaz Feb 16, 2021, 1:58 AM

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wasn't even aware about that armor sharing part, what is even "net regenerative gain" ???

shut slate Feb 16, 2021, 2:18 AM

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I presume that is a fancy way of saying they're both technically healing when they share health

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i.e. "sacrifice 65 hp to give teammate 90" sort of healing logic

still lantern Feb 16, 2021, 2:24 AM

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about that, there's a relation between the complexity/length and how big the caverns are?

bold plover Feb 16, 2021, 2:29 AM

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Afaik the twins cannot heal anymore, they just share health.

glacial topaz Feb 16, 2021, 2:34 AM

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I mean, can you increase length without increasing size ?

kind epoch Feb 16, 2021, 2:38 AM

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glacial topaz azure weald features were added as well, but it is quite incomplete, with the bl...

yes tbh I was just tired to see it empty so I put stuff there despite incomplete xD I let you add the correct infos I don't have

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and yes the twins "heal" when their health difference is too large

glacial topaz Feb 16, 2021, 2:46 AM

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that they can share hp I know, the problem is if the total stays the same or not

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also still unsure about that one:

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stark tulip Feb 16, 2021, 2:54 AM

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I wonder if the info I added on Exploring My Options back when I was a greenbeard still applies

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It gave me the achievement when I chose a Bosco upgrade, well before I was able to unlock any weapons

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That was before 1.0

analog rock Feb 16, 2021, 5:40 AM

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glacial topaz that they can share hp I know, the problem is if the total stays the same or not

I can confirm there is a net gain of health when they "share". The greater the difference before sharing, the bigger the gain. (One of the twins will still loose a little, but gives back way more than what was lost)

worldly salmon Feb 16, 2021, 6:50 AM

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I don’t think they always heal when the difference is too large, either

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It can be a difference of like, a tiny segment of hp

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I’m not exactly sure what triggers it in that case

weary sonnet Feb 16, 2021, 9:30 AM

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analog rock I can confirm there is a net gain of health when they "share". The greater the d...

When did it changes? Daga said the opposite about two weeks ago (well it was on exp build):
#experimental-discussions message
P.S. I didn’t check it in game to be sure, but it is doable since the damage stat allow to see the missing health.

analog rock Feb 16, 2021, 9:31 AM

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One of the patch notes for the hotfixes mentioned it.

weary sonnet Feb 16, 2021, 9:31 AM

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Ok, ty

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Hotfix 2:
- Tweaked the Dreadnought Twins health exchange so it is no longer a zero-sum game resulting in a net gain of HP. The amount of gain depends on the difference in HP. The greater the difference, the greater the gain.

gusty bridge Feb 16, 2021, 11:09 AM

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ok so previously it was Zero-Sum and Lacerator gives up 100 hp and Arbalest gains 100hp

now, depending on the health difference, lacerator gives up 100 hp and Arbalest could gain 150hp. and this is the intended setup.

did i read that right?

analog rock Feb 16, 2021, 11:42 AM

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I think the first iteration gave them a fixed amount gain of hp back every time, and now the gain id proportional to the difference of hp between the twins.

glacial topaz Feb 16, 2021, 1:32 PM

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correct ? will, just fix the words in that case

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floral drift Feb 16, 2021, 6:40 PM

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U33 allows Dystrum to spawn in OSR missions now, too

gusty bridge Feb 16, 2021, 7:48 PM

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Oooh cool. Was always confused as to why only point extraction

bold plover Feb 16, 2021, 7:52 PM

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The devs hate dystrum, take my word for it.

gusty bridge Feb 16, 2021, 8:40 PM

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why?

low hamlet Feb 17, 2021, 2:48 AM

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gonna upload a new image of the fester flea

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that's actually the fester flea

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there it is

shell frigate Feb 17, 2021, 2:50 AM

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Looks good

gusty bridge Feb 17, 2021, 4:54 PM

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how does damage resistance calculations work again?

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e.g. HAZ 5

Slasher as a -30% resistance to explosive and 108 hp
Guard has a +30% resistance to explosive and 324 hp

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how do I calculate how much explosive damage to kill them using those values?

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is it:
for a -30% resistance I divide their hp by 1.3 ?
and for a +30% resistance I multiply their hp * 1.3 ?

sand lantern Feb 17, 2021, 4:58 PM

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Uhhh... Creatures mobile page acts interestingly

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low hamlet Feb 17, 2021, 4:59 PM

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umm

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lol what i have no idea what's going on there

sand lantern Feb 17, 2021, 5:00 PM

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I opened dreadnought health table

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Something seems to be a bit off

low hamlet Feb 17, 2021, 5:01 PM

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that'd be something to ask ely/cyrob about

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why's the crassus page displaying the weakpoint data in the preview

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floral drift Feb 17, 2021, 5:39 PM

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gusty bridge how does damage resistance calculations work again?

The generalized formula is health/(1-resistance)

This means that if Lootbugs had 30% Explosive resistance their eHP would be 100/0.7=142.86. Conversely 30% vulnerability would be 100/1.3=76.92.

This formula is derived by summing up how much damage would need to be done of a particular element multiplied by the resistance, and then some algebra. Like, if an attack only did 100 explosive damage, the 30% resistance would reduce that to 70. Another 30 would do 21, 9 => 6.3, 2.7 => 1.89, etc until 100 damage had all been done. Adding up all that damage totals up to 100/0.7 exactly. Similar derivation for vulnerability.

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So in total, an enemy’s eHP is Base health * Difficulty Scaling / Elemental resistance for whatever element, hazard level, or player count you choose.

glacial topaz Feb 17, 2021, 5:44 PM

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there is IFG , weakpoints and other stuff too sometimes

floral drift Feb 17, 2021, 5:46 PM

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I’d argue those affect the attack more than the creature’s eHP

gusty bridge Feb 17, 2021, 5:47 PM

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So If resistance is +100% then they take 0 damage of that type/ have effectively infinite health against that type ?

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And if resistance is -100% they take double damage, effectively have half health against that type?

weary sonnet Feb 17, 2021, 5:49 PM

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@gusty bridge yes, you got it right.

weary sonnet Feb 17, 2021, 5:49 PM

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glacial topaz there is IFG , weakpoints and other stuff too sometimes

all of theses are multiplicative with each other.

glacial topaz Feb 17, 2021, 5:52 PM

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about all of that, we still have to check for weaknesses for the new U33 creatures, think the only one I heard and included were brundle and tri-jaw, no idea about the others
that, and know if the fester flea freeze values changed, I know they die now, but not sure about value changes

gusty bridge Feb 17, 2021, 5:54 PM

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Will I make a damage calculation page? With sample calculations done out? To cover the major types of damage, resistance, weakness, modifications etc? We already have a very good area damage page. This could be in the same vein.

glacial topaz Feb 17, 2021, 5:58 PM

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it makes more sense to make a formula page then, not only for damage, but for every single formula we can think of

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Not counting that the way area damage works isnt that simple compared to Single target, so dont see a big reason to have a whole page only for it

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 12:34 PM

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uhh... I made the Loot Bug page actually neutral now, hate on me later

glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 1:14 PM

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? ?

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also, oddly enough the mission navbox is different depending on the article even with if it is the same one
, but, why is Machine events in here ? I can see BlackBox due to it being a mission on deep dives, but machine events seems like including secondary objectives, cargo crates, lost packs, korloks, etc

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 1:18 PM

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I mean, you can

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if you're about to call me a loot bug lover you'll eat those words right up... in maybe a week or month or idk

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Machine Events because it counts as an objective upon failure/completion whereas all the other 'optional' events don't

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secondary objectives are supposed to be in that list as well but they are too simplistic so you'll have to decide on that, guess all of them in one page like machine events would make sense but still simplistic objectives generally

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ohh you already did https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Gunk_Seed#Locations_.26_Gathering

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Gunk Seed

The Gunk Seed is a type of Secondary Objective which can appear in any mission type or biome. The Dwarves can collect 12 Gunk Seeds to be rewarded with a bonus payout of Credits and Experience upon mission completion.

coral roost Feb 18, 2021, 1:29 PM

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I.
That thumbnail.

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 1:29 PM

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fixing brain fart

glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 1:31 PM

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things to think about, even though it might appear on the same section on mission end screen it looks and feels so odd, maybe it is the name of "missions",

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 1:48 PM

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right, I was talking about this

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Tyrant Shard also appears in the same section but I'll never call it a mission anything

glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 1:49 PM

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looks more like a task list, or objectives to-do
missions looks more like what you are actually going down for

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 1:50 PM

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yet it's the only thing that actually appears there out of the optional events

glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 1:51 PM

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missions - special events - secondary objectives

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 2:00 PM

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I've always kinda viewed machine events as secret objectives considering management is willing to up your payment for doing them, but if that's not fine then I still to this day don't understand how Fester Fleas count as a resource

sand lantern Feb 18, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Code-wise or lore-wise?

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 3:43 PM

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game

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management doesn't really reward you for doing things they didn't ask you to do, but if you bring back extra loot you'll get paid accordingly, bringing back doretta's head or fixing BET-C yield no rewards but machine events are a case where they didn't ask you to do it but reward you anyway

sand lantern Feb 18, 2021, 3:48 PM

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Doretta's head won't cover how much drilldozer costs
You don't bring BET-C with you, therefore saving BET-C only helps you, not DRG
Machine events have something to do with scientific guys in company, at least kursite one does
Fester Fleas breed rapidly and have a bad habit of getting into some important machinery parts and breaking it, that's about how it was stated back then when they were added. Basically, by paying us a bit of money DRG excludes potential bigger losses and prevents getting their breed out of control in caves

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Also, afaik you get extra reward for activating events, not completing these

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 3:56 PM

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idk about that

gusty bridge Feb 18, 2021, 4:00 PM

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yeah i think even if you fail the event, it's marked on the end screen

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completing it just gets you access to the core infuser

low hamlet Feb 18, 2021, 4:14 PM

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having a brain fart rn

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how do i force the position of the header nav again?

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ok i fixed my brain

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im going to try to get a new minehead picture

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can we just use this?

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glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 4:37 PM

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for ?

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not like we can't update it later

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good one for a place holder

low hamlet Feb 18, 2021, 4:39 PM

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yeah

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the current one is very outdated

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and it's only used on the minehead page as well, which makes things easier

gritty bear Feb 18, 2021, 4:40 PM

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uhh one sec

glacial topaz Feb 18, 2021, 4:47 PM

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looking forward to a nice template decision later on

low hamlet Feb 18, 2021, 5:40 PM

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here's a new minehead turret image

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oops. there's a little extra pixels. 1 sec

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there we go

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the white outline is a discord thing

low hamlet Feb 18, 2021, 7:09 PM

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we need a description on https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Oppressor

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 4:13 AM

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was that supposed to be U33 or ? appears on some recent changes

low hamlet Feb 19, 2021, 5:14 AM

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u32

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i put that in there since im not sure if it's up to date for u33

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so people know to look over it

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 12:29 PM

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Which page?

gusty bridge Feb 19, 2021, 12:56 PM

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do we have any numbers on the base shield recharge rate?

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how long it takes to regen 25 shield (or 30 if you have overcharger) from 0. not counting the regeneration delay

gusty bridge Feb 19, 2021, 1:54 PM

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it seems to be roughly 5 seconds

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 1:55 PM

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recording it with mods and without should work I guess

gusty bridge Feb 19, 2021, 2:33 PM

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yeah maybe get it by frames?

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i'm on xbox so best i can do is clips etc. someone on pc would likely be more accurate.

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but 5 seconds is my first estimate

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will check with and w/o mods tonight.

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 2:35 PM

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Is there any info on guardian weakpoint health?

gusty bridge Feb 19, 2021, 2:40 PM

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which do you mean:

Glyphid Grunt Guard?
Glyphid Warden?
or Glyphid Sentinel ?

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 2:42 PM

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Hive guard

gusty bridge Feb 19, 2021, 2:48 PM

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so damage required to break the 3 armour points and expose the central weakpoint?

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 3:02 PM

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For each weakpoint

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Yes

weary sonnet Feb 19, 2021, 4:50 PM

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For the shield recharge rate, that was the only thing I didn’t test on shield, mosly because I ran out of time during that test and forgot it afterward.

No data gathered on the hiveguard on my side for now.
(I know, not very useful, just wanted to let you know I don’t have the data.)

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:01 PM

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looks like it is 200 HP, 50% resistance to radial (explosive?), no sure if it scales or not

weary sonnet Feb 19, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Resistance to radial? Radial resistance would mean resistance to any AoE attack, this is a first.

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:02 PM

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"RadialDamageResistance"

weary sonnet Feb 19, 2021, 5:02 PM

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Explosive resistance in the files is called res_explosive or something like that, you can’t mix it up with something else.

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RadialDamage is how they call the AoE part of pretty much any attack.

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That would match what the devs said in the stream, I didn’t expect it would be implemented that way though.

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:06 PM

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trying to figure out how to add all of that on the wiki

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 5:06 PM

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Is BC projectile "radial" by the way?

weary sonnet Feb 19, 2021, 5:07 PM

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checking

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The base damage is not.

sand lantern Feb 19, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Folded one?

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:08 PM

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is that 200 hp is fixed for all hazards and player count ?

weary sonnet Feb 19, 2021, 5:08 PM

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That is unlikely.

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It probably scale the same way than the main hp

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The explosive goodbye is radial damage for the BC and it looks like there is another component as well, not sure which one.

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:13 PM

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so... ideas ?

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 5:50 PM

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went with "Destructible spots"
if anyone can confirm the HP scaling, that would be appreciated, don't forget the resistance

low hamlet Feb 19, 2021, 8:13 PM

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alright. just did a lot of work towards updating all the formatting on the tables on the accessory page

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going to try to wrap that up nice later today or tomorrow

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 9:04 PM

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what is changing ?

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 9:37 PM

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Anyway, trying to figure out how to handle the AC rof graph, I updated the one I had based on MeatShield's sayings, I also have the version with Big Bertha, but not sure if the best way is to just make 1 graph for each combination, or figure what is the best way to label each line

low hamlet Feb 19, 2021, 9:46 PM

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glacial topaz what is changing ?

lots. go look

floral drift Feb 19, 2021, 9:52 PM

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glacial topaz Anyway, trying to figure out how to handle the AC rof graph, I updated the one I...

this kind of thing doesn't benefit much from plotting every combination (reference my graph attached to these messages #wiki-related-chatroom message ). i'd say just plot the baseline graph, and then one for each individual mod/OC, but no combinations.

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T2.B
T2.C
T3.A
Big Bertha

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 9:53 PM

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I like having all of them for comparing

floral drift Feb 19, 2021, 9:54 PM

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are you talking about your own personal reference chart, or for displaying on the wiki?

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 9:56 PM

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wiki

floral drift Feb 19, 2021, 10:00 PM

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yeah, this is a judgement call. you want to display all the combinations, but if you display the data too densely it starts to lose meaning. maybe have a three graphs: one of the five baseline, one of every combination of 2, and one of every combination of 3?

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T2.C
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T2.B + T3.A
T2.B + BB
T2.C + T3.A
T2.C + BB
T3.A + BB

T2.B + T3.A + BB
T2.C + T3.A + BB

glacial topaz Feb 19, 2021, 10:04 PM

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well, but first we have to check how to make sure each line is easily identifiable, against colors due to colorblind people

radiant edge Feb 20, 2021, 1:47 AM

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Why not just two separate graphs, one for normal and the other for BB

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 1:55 AM

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that was my plan yes, but how to make sure each line is easily identifiable when you have 6 lines ?

radiant edge Feb 20, 2021, 1:57 AM

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Dotted, dashed, etc.

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 1:58 AM

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well, 3-4 might be fine with that, but 5-6 will most likely get too hard to notice the difference quickly

radiant edge Feb 20, 2021, 3:55 AM

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Fixed Gunner's Heavy Autocannon with Big Bertha OC + T2 Lighter Barrel Assembly (without T3 Supercharged Feed Mechanism) does not apply T5 Damage Resistance buff.

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Also just noticed this in the patch notes today, guess that means that flickering bug is gone now

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 4:05 AM

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it is. this also fixed T5.A Feedback Loop not giving +20% damage with the same combination

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i've already updated the Autocannon page Rate of Fire Mechanics section accordingly

radiant edge Feb 20, 2021, 4:26 AM

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Very nice, always wanted to try out some builds ever since I found out that BB with the RoF growth mod would basically provide a 100% uptime on RoF bonuses if it weren't for that bug

analog rock Feb 20, 2021, 7:24 AM

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glacial topaz that was my plan yes, but how to make sure each line is easily identifiable when...

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*The bold part failed... still gives six types of lines, if you double/triple the thickness of the lines for the repeat

radiant edge Feb 20, 2021, 7:43 AM

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Different patterns also work

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Like two dashes followed by a dot, etc.

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 3:38 PM

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any true ?

weary sonnet Feb 20, 2021, 3:40 PM

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It is part of the glyphid familly group that part is true as for the spawn not sure about the large part.

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 3:42 PM

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"It's theorized that the Brood Nexus is a completely separate genus, somehow able to replicate the DNA of other species"

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doesn't that say they aren't sure it is a glyphid, and that the glyphid name might just be that the Brood Nexus in there spawns glyphids

weary sonnet Feb 20, 2021, 3:43 PM

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Well it has Glyphid as a prefix and it sorted and in the MM as a Glyphid, but the MM description is doubting it indeed.

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In the files it is not in the spider folders, my bad, it is in its own folder as EnemySpawner.

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 3:47 PM

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from "stationary Glyphid type" to "stationary enemy type" should work either way

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or creature type

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other than that, only that lengthy description got added to leech

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 7:03 PM

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How is this ?

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 8:03 PM

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added it to the page alongside a table, if anyone wants to see it, Big Bertha one being added later on
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/"Thunderhead"_Heavy_Autocannon#Rate_of_Fire_Mechanics

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 8:14 PM

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glacial topaz How is this ?

some constructive feedback: because it's modeled as a min() function there should be definitive corners where the e^x functions intersect the flat lines at Max RoF. i'm guessing that the data you're plotting is generated using intervals of 0.25 sec and then interpolated, which causes the rounding. maybe decrease the interval to 0.1 or less for more precise plots?

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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doing it every 0.1 presents barely noticeable differences, but better make sure of everything before uploading a new version
, actually I will do it for every 0.02 seconds (50 times per second), well, now that is a bit more different, result:

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 8:24 PM

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i like that one a lot better

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just, make the dot/dash lines and i think it's golden 👍

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 8:42 PM

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I just have to figure out how to merge the 2 files / layers

lean pebble Feb 20, 2021, 9:08 PM

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What does this sentence mean: "When it comes to dealing damage to break the weakpoints weakpoint damage don’t apply." on this page: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Bulk_Detonator

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It makes it sound like doing damage to the detonator weakpoints doesn't do extra damage.

weary sonnet Feb 20, 2021, 9:09 PM

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It is only for the damage taken into account for breaking the weakpoints, not for how much damage the creature will take.

lean pebble Feb 20, 2021, 9:10 PM

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So if you do 100dmg to a x3 weakpoint that has 200hps, then the weakpoint takes 100, but the bulk takes 300dmg?

weary sonnet Feb 20, 2021, 9:10 PM

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yes

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 9:15 PM

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update uploaded file, there is a table to, should it have the "time for max RoF" too or something else ?

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floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 9:31 PM

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at this point, the time to max RoF is the last thing not included in that table

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when i wrote that section originally i just presented the variables and formulas so that people who were invested could figure it out for themselves, but now that Omega is making the charts and tables it makes sense to "complete the set" so to speak

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 9:40 PM

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if you remember anything that would gain with a visual representation don't forget to say

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:07 PM

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if anything, maybe uploading a gif onto the Accuracy page to show how all the pieces work together? i already have the Visualizer programmed in my Calculator, so i would just need to make the gif and have someone upload it

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:08 PM

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uploading is the easiest part

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left side, upload file, just make sure to give it the proper licensing

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:13 PM

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when i tried to upload the Subata Recoil per Shot i ran into some issues

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:14 PM

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not sure I can solve that, but let's see, error messages ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:15 PM

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the errors were months ago, when i made that page

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i'll try uploading a file to Accuracy and let you know how it goes

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which gun do you think would be the best demonstration of the system?

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:17 PM

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depending on how different the guns are, have 1 example for each case ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:17 PM

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that's 8 gifs, without accounting for Accuracy mods/OCs

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:19 PM

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I know the stubby is all about vertical recoil, and LS is all about accuracy increasing,
subata would be the only neutral one ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:26 PM

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probably either Subata or BRT -- neither of them use Spread Curves

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:28 PM

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if to pick only 1, subata , maybe because I am driller, so

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back to the other thing, how is this for Bertha

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:32 PM

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good, but the special case with T2.C + BB w/o T3.A (Min RoF = 4 = Max RoF) gets a little lost having 3 other plots cross over it as well as running on top of a major gridline. i have no idea how to improve that though, sorry

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:34 PM

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the table will make that clear

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last case the base line can be made more thin

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:40 PM

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running into an issue with screencapping the visualization -- even at 60 FPS it feels like it's missing frames, a little choppy

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i render it at 100 FPS, maybe that's the issue...

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:41 PM

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no export settings that won't require screen recording ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:44 PM

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😕 sorry, no. i mean i could export the hundreds of data points used to render it, but i don't think it would be meaningful

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:49 PM

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is it a problem with recording - calculator , or gif - recording ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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it's a problem where the calculator renders the visualization at 100 FPS, but the screencapping software i found at the top of Google results maxxes out at 60 FPS

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:51 PM

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OBS ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:52 PM

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OBS does gifs?

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i have OBS

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:52 PM

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I mean, I am sure you can convert MP4 / video file to gif somewhere

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 10:55 PM

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OBS looks like it's capped at 60FPS too...

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 10:59 PM

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did you try custom FPS

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File, settings, video, Integer FPS value

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 11:04 PM

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ok, yeah, i got it. 100 FPS recording in .mkv format

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it didn't come out of the mkv-to-gif conversion process very well....

glacial topaz Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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do you need to convert it to another format first ? are you doing a 100 fps gif ?

floral drift Feb 20, 2021, 11:11 PM

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i was trying to do a 100 FPS gif, yeah

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failed quite spectacularly

glacial topaz Feb 21, 2021, 12:20 AM

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still happens ?
also, the doretta head thing again lol

bold plover Feb 21, 2021, 12:31 AM

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That last sentence is a whole lot of nope.

glacial topaz Feb 21, 2021, 1:25 AM

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fixed, but do you still get beer lines ?

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 12:59 AM

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eh ? is this true ? "Macteras are flying insectoids that tend to provide a support role to the other enemies"
a lot of stuff got added to the creatures page, describing groups and all,
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures?curid=816&diff=22595&oldid=22468

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I can see warden being called a support unity, but mactera seems a bit forced and unrealistic...

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 1:45 AM

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Goo/Frost Bombers are arguably support, providing AoE slows vs players

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Spawn, Tri-Jaw are more attackers

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Brundle is a damage sponge

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maybe Grabbers "stunning" players could be qualified as support, but that's kind of a stretch

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 1:49 AM

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so glyphids are support too, slasher, web spitter,
is support just being able to give player a bad status effect ?

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 1:56 AM

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let's just leave it simple -- Warden is a Support because it directly buffs its allies, but the Mactera aren't because all of their attacks/moves interact with dwarves and not other bugs

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rather than try to provide a nitty-gritty technical definition of what a "Support" is

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 1:58 AM

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the large text sections that got added, in green

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floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 2:00 AM

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Naedocyte Crusiers in Dense Biozone are omitted from the Naedocyte paragraph in the first screenshot -- it only mentions Breeders and Hatchlings/Swarmers

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 2:05 AM

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how is the gif going ?

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 2:12 AM

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i haven't tried since the last time we talked about it. if you want to try making it, be my guest

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i'm neck-deep in a major refactor of my code right now

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been coding for the past 5 hours, no signs of stopping for a while

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 2:25 AM

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no rush

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 3:00 AM

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is this correct " by burrowing up out of natural terrain" ?

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is it any true that mactera try to spawn outside the player line of sight ?

sand lantern Feb 22, 2021, 4:32 AM

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glacial topaz is it any true that mactera try to spawn outside the player line of sight ?

Macteras don't have animation of unburrowing because lore-wise they can't dig. They spawn in air without any reason for them to appear, I'd say spawning them out of sight is the only way to make it look like it's supposed to be

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Wait, there possibly are digging-out particles, but still mactera has no animation of burrowing out

kind epoch Feb 22, 2021, 4:36 AM

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I saw macteras spawn in front of my eyes plenty of times

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but maybe they actually tried to spawn out of sight of another player, and it happened to be on my sight

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 4:46 AM

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How many times did they spawn outside your line tho, some tests or confirmation would be nice

sand lantern Feb 22, 2021, 7:09 AM

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Where should info regarding earthquakes be put into?

misty trail Feb 22, 2021, 7:52 AM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Equipment I was looking at the Equipment page and noticed some rather odd details towards the bottom. If this page only goes over the items related to the Equipment terminal, then wouldn't including information on things like the Mine Head (Point Extraction) and the BET-C be irrelevant? I think the entire sections on Robots and Support Drops could be removed entirely.

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Equipment

Deep Rock Galactic provides their employees with a huge arsenal of Equipment to choose from, designed to assist the Dwarves in extracting resources and eliminating threats. All of the classes carry several items of Equipment at once - a Primary Weapon, a Secondary Weapon, two Support Tools and a Throwable item (such as a grenade).
For weapons, ...

radiant edge Feb 22, 2021, 9:08 AM

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From my experience, Mactera spawns have the "burrowing" vfx and sfx, but simply spawn in midair with no animation

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And I don't think line of sight factors into their spawn rules

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 2:09 PM

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^ i've seen the same

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 2:14 PM

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I am not sure why the article tries to group all mactera by characteristics when it fails to do that, says they have 6 limbs when a lot have only 2-4, and also mention glowing abdomem, which I don't see anything glowing on the goo bomber

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 2:39 PM

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if it's not in the miners manual or a description, then it's just speculation

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anything that isn't true to that or true to in-game appearance should be deleted right?

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don't we have stats on swarm makeup etc? we shouldn't be using terms like "generally" if we have numbers

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it's nice to have more descriptions, but we need to make sure they're true to ingame or to the miner's manual.

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 2:49 PM

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what are you referring to specifically

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not enough swarm stats to make an article or mention anything

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 3:09 PM

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glacial topaz not enough swarm stats to make an article or mention anything

ah right, i thought we had % chance for upgrade from Praet to Oppressor, and swarm size/makeup stats or spawn rates etc already?

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ok so it's a sample based on miners manual data.

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https://github.com/drg-tools/drg-weapons-calculator/blob/master/src/modelPieces/EnemyInformation.java#L52-L76

GitHub

drg-tools/drg-weapons-calculator

A passion project to optimize Deep Rock Galactic weapon builds - drg-tools/drg-weapons-calculator

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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glacial topaz what are you referring to specifically

are mactera referred to as Support anywhere in game? Mactera spawn are ranged offense rather than support right?

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 3:12 PM

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last I remember we know a lot of variables, but not how they are used / considered, the oppressor chances might be known, but there is probably other stuff at play, Ely probably knows more about what is unknown

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 3:13 PM

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ah ok

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 3:14 PM

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and no need to ping if I am typing here
we just removed the support mention

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 3:15 PM

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sorry, was typing a reply to your other message. forgot that it pings when i hit reply.

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cool

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 3:40 PM

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seeing that mission pages are being changed, and talking about mining expedition, shouldn't it mention that it has swarms ?

sand lantern Feb 22, 2021, 3:51 PM

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gusty bridge

Some enemies can only be spawned once, on mission load, like cave leeches or breeders. You better move them into another list

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 3:55 PM

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@floral drift thoughts on the above re: weighted distribution?

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 3:57 PM

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Sconk

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 5:34 PM

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gusty bridge <@!199367621634686976> thoughts on the above re: weighted distribution?

there are two ways to look at DRG's probability to spawn any specific enemy. the first way is to gather all of the "Spawn Weight" for each enemy, the "Spawn Pool" for each hazard level, percentages that Grunts will be promoted to Slasher/Guard, Praetorians to Oppressors, etc etc.... and then put it all together for an educated guess of the probability that any particular enemy spawns. Ike has been maintaining a spreadsheet with a lot of these variables, but to the best of my knowledge hasn't figured out the last step of synthesizing the aggregate probabilities.

the other way is to play the game enough at a certain Hazard level to get such a large dataset of kills in the Miner's Manual that you can calculate the probability directly. that's the method that I used for my Calculator, and what you referenced earlier. it's a much more empirical method, but it glosses over the entire spawn probability system so it wouldn't be very good to add to a wiki article because it's only valid for Haz4/5, and not the lower levels.

for what you're interested in, Rob, you might want to get in contact with Ike and ask to see his spreadsheet. that data would probably be worth putting into an article, but you would need to do a lot of heavy lifting to copy/paste it all into a meaningful format and then discover how it all works too.

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 5:45 PM

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well, there is a lot more than Spawn Weight and Spawn pool, at least like 6 number variables from my collection, with some booleans too

gusty bridge Feb 22, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Good stuff. Thanks for the explanation. Both are useful sets of data. Though the "kills" method leaves out bugs a player was unable to kill/ fled from etc. I'll c have a chat with ike if you can put me in touch?

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Yeah getting close to an exact number for any of them will be very damn difficult for sure

glacial topaz Feb 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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kills seems like the worst method to use alone

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 5:48 PM

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gusty bridge Good stuff. Thanks for the explanation. Both are useful sets of data. Though the...

Ike#2234 -- i'm pretty sure he's in this server

floral drift Feb 22, 2021, 10:42 PM

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@sand lantern are you able and willing to look into Gunner's Incendiary Grenade and Engineer's LURE files to find the exact values of how they work? they're a little under-documented in the Wiki right now

radiant edge Feb 23, 2021, 2:04 AM

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Is the incendiary grenade not as simple as just providing a flame DoT in an area?

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 2:06 AM

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it has heat source values, I am not entirely sure but it might be that + the damage DoT, didn't check if it was fire, or heat damage though

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think only value I have no idea is how long the flames last, and also how it works in game

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any true ? bough wasp nest

floral drift Feb 23, 2021, 2:20 AM

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glacial topaz any true ? bough wasp nest

currently true. not necessarily going to be that way forever. it seems that the Wasps lack a direct hitbox, but are killable by any Area Damage. I was able to kill a swarm with Autocannon shooting the ground beneath the swarm. i haven't tested if Flamethrower works on it.

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 2:21 AM

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seems not intended

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what about those hiveguard tips, that resupply one seems a bit too... odd

indigo kindle Feb 23, 2021, 5:31 AM

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Small issue: M1000's T1B damage mod says "+20% damage" when in the game files it's flat +10.

kind epoch Feb 23, 2021, 5:44 AM

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it says +10 because 20% of 50 is 10, I think it's like Healthy says +20 instead of +18%

indigo kindle Feb 23, 2021, 5:50 AM

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This is the value I'm talking about. Can't be more straightforward than that.

stark tulip Feb 23, 2021, 5:57 AM

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10 is 20% of 50, so it isn't wrong
It's just implemented additively instead

floral drift Feb 23, 2021, 5:57 AM

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M1000 damage is (50 + 10) * 0.6 if T1.B and Hipster are equipped

sand lantern Feb 23, 2021, 5:58 AM

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floral drift <@!387909475924967426> are you able and willing to look into Gunner's Incendiary...

I'll look into it

indigo kindle Feb 23, 2021, 6:00 AM

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It isn't wrong per se, but it doesn't display the real game data value, either. Maybe add a tooltip showing that it's actually flat +10? People might have issues understanding how multipliers interact etc.

kind epoch Feb 23, 2021, 6:01 AM

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just replace it if files say +10

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why would you write "false info (tooltip: true info)" ?

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anyway I modified it

stark tulip Feb 23, 2021, 6:04 AM

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Do the reverse
+10 Damage (In-game description says +20%)
Something like that

kind epoch Feb 23, 2021, 6:05 AM

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in-game description doesn't say +20%

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it was just the wiki that said it, so I assumed it was an info in the files, but greyhound said it wasn't, so I don't know why someone wrote +20% to start with

stark tulip Feb 23, 2021, 6:07 AM

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Oh, what about the weapon stats when hovering over the mod?

kind epoch Feb 23, 2021, 6:07 AM

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stark tulip Feb 23, 2021, 6:08 AM

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Oh ok so it was just the wiki that was wrong

kind epoch Feb 23, 2021, 6:14 AM

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anyways thanks @indigo kindle

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now I'm curious if the healthy is right too

indigo kindle Feb 23, 2021, 6:20 AM

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Healthy is correct, it's a x1.18 multiplier in the game files.

verbal cloud Feb 23, 2021, 7:10 AM

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I've created a spreadsheet that adds up the prices of all the upgrades, overclocks, and cosmetics (except the limited time offer ones and the ones from crate) and I was wondering if any of the wiki editors would like it

gusty bridge Feb 23, 2021, 9:28 AM

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floral drift currently true. not necessarily going to be that way forever. it seems that the ...

CRSPR kills the cloud 👍

gusty bridge Feb 23, 2021, 9:41 AM

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verbal cloud I've created a spreadsheet that adds up the prices of all the upgrades, overcloc...

I'm curious, what's the grand total?

gusty bridge Feb 23, 2021, 1:18 PM

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how big is a bug? like what size (in meters) are Grunts?

weary sonnet Feb 23, 2021, 1:32 PM

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For future cases like what GreyHound brought up for the M1000's T1B damage mod, we add the real value in the wiki since it being additive or multiplicative can matter, the only place where we directly put the in game value is the mod description.

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 1:54 PM

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we simply test it with different mods to see if it is a flat or percentage, such as overclocks, so everything is correct, that didn't change

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 2:12 PM

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the really bad thing about using flat is that order matters, with % it won't

verbal cloud Feb 23, 2021, 3:43 PM

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gusty bridge I'm curious, what's the grand total?

gusty bridge Feb 23, 2021, 4:15 PM

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You have a "total minerals" row ?

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Now I know why I am always looking for more jadiz haha.

willow swallow Feb 23, 2021, 9:14 PM

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does drg work on linux

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 9:17 PM

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searching "drg linux"here, I guess it doesn't work officially, but there is ways around it ? and it doesn't work as good as on windows

glacial topaz Feb 23, 2021, 11:41 PM

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interesting thing

analog rock Feb 23, 2021, 11:45 PM

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True. Damage can be stacked if multiple pods are dropped at the same time.

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Tested it myself quite a while ago.

analog rock Feb 23, 2021, 11:48 PM

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glacial topaz searching "drg linux"here, I guess it doesn't work officially, but there is ways...

Linux not officially supported (and no plan to do so were announced).
Current support is to use a windows emulator on linux, or similar, to be able to read the .exe, with some bugs happening depending on the version of the game, the distro and the emulator.

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 11:53 AM

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Do the +Mining Rate modifications on the Driller's Drills effect fuel efficiency at all?

grave swift Feb 24, 2021, 12:32 PM

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gusty bridge Do the +Mining Rate modifications on the Driller's Drills effect fuel efficiency...

Disclaimer: I do not claim to know any of these statements as 100% true, all my knowledge about this is based on my own experience and testing in the game, if anyone reading this does know 100% how the game works and detects mistakes in my explanation, please correct me. Thank you.

Now on to my theoretical answer to your question:

I believe the fuel is based on time so, according to my theory, the +Mining Rate modification should not affect the time you can spend drilling until you're out of fuel, however, it allows for faster drilling, making it so that if you are in movement, for example by turning your camera angle, or moving sideways, the delay between the "drilling" action (the moments when the drills destroy terrain in a square/rectangle shape) is reduced, meaning that you can drill much more over a wide area with proper movement, however, if you're asking about digging a tunnel in a straight line, the first upgrade does improve the distance you can make out of your fuel slightly, yet considerably over long distances (since it prevents your character from bumping into the wall before the next drilling action occurs), but the second doesn't, and is only benefitial to your fuel-used/drilled-terrain ratio on situations where your position can change very quickly (for example using dash and jumping and drilling in the air in order not to lose speed, releasing the brakes on a zipline, or any other method of achieving great speeds).

That would refer to the drilling part of the drills, but the drills are also a weapon, so I feel like I should also cover that matter.
In my testing, the +Mining Rate does not affect the damage against enemies or the speed at which they take ticks of damage, thus it does not improve the DPS of the weapon or its status effect (stun/fear) infliction rate.

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 1:05 PM

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thanks man, i had a suspicion that fuel was based on drill time. though if that is true, then faster drills (and movement) means less time to drill a 40m tunnel. so less drilling time = less fuel right?

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 1:06 PM

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@lost perch

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 1:06 PM

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?

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 1:06 PM

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like for example, you run your drills to 100% overheat and walk in a straight line drilling. you'll get further with the faster drill speed right? so you'll drill a longer tunnel for the same fuel? assuming you're drilling in a straight line of course

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 1:08 PM

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Mining speed on drills = rate of fire on any other weapon, you dig faster at the cost of more fuel consumed

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But there's 1 problem: you dig faster then you walk, so approximately 1/3 of the time you literally drill a thin air

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 1:09 PM

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lost perch But there's 1 problem: you dig faster then you walk, so approximately 1/3 of the...

this is what i was worried about

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 1:09 PM

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What leads to more fuel consumed per meter

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 1:10 PM

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thanks for clarifying

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 3:24 PM

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true ?

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true ?

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 3:29 PM

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glacial topaz true ?

This should've been changed in latest hotfixes

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 3:30 PM

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glacial topaz true ?

While I don't usually count, Bosco isn't staying in lighting position forever, besides that timer is quite small

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Seems to be close to reality

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 3:43 PM

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gusty bridge thanks for clarifying

@lost perch can correct me if drills have been updated since u32 but i have done testing on multiple patches for drills

no drill speed and 1 speed are comparable for fuel efficiency, 2 speed is only slightly worse, by about 2m per straight line till overheat

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you can circumnavigate the fuel inefficiency by tap-drilling but this method is worse for heat management

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 3:45 PM

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north quiver you can circumnavigate the fuel inefficiency by tap-drilling but this method is ...

Yes, u can do tap-digging, but does it worth it?

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Because you could double your damage instead

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 3:46 PM

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How

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 3:46 PM

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Another upgrade in T1

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 3:47 PM

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lost perch Because you could double your damage instead

im a bit confused, im only talking about fuel efficiency for digging

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 3:47 PM

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north quiver im a bit confused, im only talking about fuel efficiency for digging

i mean it demands some extra brain activity to save an ammo

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 3:48 PM

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right but what do you mean damage? you mean taking the damage mod over the speed mod?

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the speed increase from 2 to 3 is noticeable; it allows you do outdig the bugs movement speed

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the fuel inefficiency is negligible and is not a required technique when using 2 speed drills

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 3:49 PM

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north quiver right but what do you mean damage? you mean taking the damage mod over the speed...

yes

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 3:50 PM

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drills are not your primary combat tool, nothing wrong with a melee build but if you are not specc'd to actually use drills constantly in combat they should be mainly used for their stun/cc in tight spaces, or to deal with shockers/swarmers under certain circumstances

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and for traversal

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but this is a whole separate discussion than just stating the numbers

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the fuel inefficiency is negligible and can be compensated for if you really want to gain the 2 meters by releasing drills momentarily

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 3:52 PM

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The drill armor break tho

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 3:52 PM

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true but usually the armor be broken by teammate so i never considered it 🤔

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and crspr ~~ignores armour~~ that might be outdated actually but i cant remember while cryo negates it

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: ^]

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 3:53 PM

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Not that I ever used for that, only that time I wanted to mess with prae

gusty bridge Feb 24, 2021, 4:11 PM

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north quiver and crspr ~~ignores armour~~ that might be outdated actually but i cant remember...

"The Flamethrower also has several other unique aspects; it has minor armor piercing abilities due to not using bullets or explosives, and it can damage enemies through their armor plates (such as Glyphid Praetorians or Glyphid Grunt Guards) albeit at a reduced rate"

according to wiki

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i wonder if you strip the armour (eg from a distant PGL shot) do they take increased direct damage from CRSPR?

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 4:19 PM

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also, (since you pinged me and are here; more about drill fuel), drills work on ticks, there are 4 ticks per one fuel, each tick is the aoe that removes the terrain

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so if you rev the drills but dont trigger a tick you dont lose any fuel

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i dont have any info on damage, my knowledge was tested and found to be incorrect before i took a break and i dont know updated info

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 4:20 PM

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north quiver also, (since you pinged me and are here; more about drill fuel), drills work on ...

both flamer and cryo ignore the armor

north quiver Feb 24, 2021, 4:21 PM

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flamer damages through armour but is still affected by armour damage reduction

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(afaik)

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so it doesnt really "ignore" it

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 4:25 PM

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north quiver flamer damages through armour but is still affected by armour damage reduction

it doesnt

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Flamer and cryo use spray attack, while armor mechanic affect only direct damage

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otherwise you wouldn't be able to damage a praetorian

indigo kindle Feb 24, 2021, 4:36 PM

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MeatShield's calc says Flamer/Cryo direct damage ignores armour completely; I'll quote him:
"The second of the three main Types of damage, Area Damage ignores Armor, Weakpoints, and the Frozen Status Effect. Any Area Damage inflicted to a creature simply reduces their healthbar. Not all Area Damage is dealt in an Area-of-Effect, like Embedded Detonators or Explosive Reload. Area Damage can be any of these 5 elements: Kinetic, Explosive, Fire, Frost, or Electric."

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 5:00 PM

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can someone send me image of BC spinning death description as of now ?
as well as the spitballers manual text

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 5:02 PM

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glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I will just get them myself to update the wiki text

sand lantern Feb 24, 2021, 5:08 PM

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Oh, you meant in-game description

nocturne crag Feb 24, 2021, 11:50 PM

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Is there a place where individual creature's speeds in m/sec is listed? I can't find it on their creature pages or in the master lists of creatures-unless I'm blind

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 11:51 PM

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well, we didn't include that on the wiki yet, since we have some values, but not sure how they are used entirely,

nocturne crag Feb 24, 2021, 11:53 PM

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Alright-it does seem quite complicated, thank you though!

meager nimbus Feb 24, 2021, 11:54 PM

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Just datamine yourself

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dderp

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It's not overly hard

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 11:54 PM

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any specific one you wanted to know, or reason ?

nocturne crag Feb 24, 2021, 11:57 PM

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Currious about how long the fear lasts for Aggressive Venting? Theres a formula on the Fear page and was really curious about how long fear actually lasts-but it requires 'max movespeed in terms of m/sec'

And stuff seemed so dang well documented I thought it might have been hidden away somewhere I didn't see

meager nimbus Feb 24, 2021, 11:57 PM

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I do wonder, does chain hit chain hit again if the richochet also hit weak spot?

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What does "lightning fast reload" mean for m1g

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And how long does that buff last

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 11:58 PM

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nocturne crag Currious about how long the fear lasts for Aggressive Venting? Theres a formula ...

Fear doesnt have duration

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 11:58 PM

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that is why they need the speed

lost perch Feb 24, 2021, 11:58 PM

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Fear duration depend on many factors

glacial topaz Feb 24, 2021, 11:59 PM

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distance / speed = time

nocturne crag Feb 24, 2021, 11:59 PM

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^ I just shortened it to duration but you're right its not a set value

worldly salmon Feb 24, 2021, 11:59 PM

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Fear is not nessecarily a time value

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But that’s established

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like, fear will last for as long as it takes le bug to walk far enough

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and the distance increases with fear strength

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or maybe distance isn’t inherently affected, more like certain abilities force bugs to run away further

lost perch Feb 25, 2021, 12:02 AM

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worldly salmon or maybe distance isn’t inherently affected, more like certain abilities force b...

fear factor only affects a chance to scare a bug

worldly salmon Feb 25, 2021, 12:02 AM

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fear factor affects chance only, yeah

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I was checking for anything that modified fear distance but I couldn’t find anything so I presume it is not a thing

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 12:03 AM

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well, I have that for max speed on some enemies, not counting the fear speed boost, and difficulty multiplier
Grunt = 290 ; Slasher= 310 ; Guard = 270 ; Praetorian= 200 ;radioactive prae = 250

austere fossil Feb 25, 2021, 12:04 AM

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aren't those cm/s?

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 12:05 AM

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they are

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now just have to multiply by 1.5 and know the difficulty to know if the time it takes for fear to run away is correct, considering flat terrain and all, probably messes up if glyhpids have to climb up or turn

nocturne crag Feb 25, 2021, 12:07 AM

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Oh my lord, that helps a lot! Thank you very very much!

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 12:43 AM

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always

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 3:02 AM

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@low hamlet what are you planning to do with the gallery for the enemies on the todo list ? a lot of them don't really have anything to be displayed, that said, I can get the shots for bet-C for example, maybe korloks too

indigo kindle Feb 25, 2021, 5:09 AM

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meager nimbus I do wonder, does chain hit chain hit again if the richochet also hit weak spot?

Chain Hit OCs cannot ricochet more than once. Edit: or maybe they can, it isn't stated anywhere actually.

indigo kindle Feb 25, 2021, 5:17 AM

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meager nimbus And how long does that buff last

Killing Machine: for 1 second after you score a kill on an enemy or neutral creature (Maggots/Lootbugs etc.), your reload time is decreased by 0.75 sec.

indigo kindle Feb 25, 2021, 5:40 AM

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OK, further results on testing Subata Chain Hit with 100% ricochet chance modded in: it doesn't seem like a chain of ricochets is possible.

floral drift Feb 25, 2021, 6:29 AM

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indigo kindle OK, further results on testing Subata Chain Hit with 100% ricochet chance modded...

that supports the conclusions of the tests i had done

trail jackal Feb 25, 2021, 7:26 AM

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What missions offer more/less rewards, assuming no anomalies and the same complexity/length? Is there a table/ranking that compares/ranks the mission types like this?

stark tulip Feb 25, 2021, 7:29 AM

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Doesn't the credits or XP page have this kind of info

trail jackal Feb 25, 2021, 7:32 AM

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Indeed, the XP page does. Thank you. 🙂

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 2:23 PM

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this got removed, is it for the better ?

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also that structure got added

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also , this, and doesn't it say anyone can do it if they have conquer hoxxes before march 14 ??

bold plover Feb 25, 2021, 5:05 PM

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Yes.

radiant edge Feb 25, 2021, 7:47 PM

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Quick question on sticky flames, does flow rate impact the amount of flames that you can produce?

sand lantern Feb 25, 2021, 7:51 PM

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radiant edge Quick question on sticky flames, does flow rate impact the amount of flames that...

Amount of sticky flames produced depends on time, not on RoF, hence the lower your RoF, the more sticky flames you can make

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And vice versa

bold plover Feb 25, 2021, 8:40 PM

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Which makes fuel stream diffuser quite nice for non sticky fuel builds.

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Since the increased range allows you to aim far away and aim down to make a wall of flames for very little fuel due to lower RoF.

bleak lagoon Feb 25, 2021, 11:08 PM

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Is there a place I can find info on the stone ring found in the Azure Weald?

craggy sentinel Feb 25, 2021, 11:09 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Azure_Weald#Biome_Features

glacial topaz Feb 25, 2021, 11:10 PM

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50% damage reduction for 15 seconds for anything

bleak lagoon Feb 25, 2021, 11:10 PM

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❤️ awesome, thank you miners

kind epoch Feb 26, 2021, 4:15 AM

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that would be nice to add the ommoran heartstone phases's duration on the escort duty page

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do anyone know it ?

bold plover Feb 26, 2021, 4:16 AM

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300s

kind epoch Feb 26, 2021, 5:03 AM

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so 75 per phase?

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thanks

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that makes sense it seemed like it matched my flare's duration

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 1:51 PM

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"Fix Insect Swarms in Hollow bough not dying when the nest is killed"
so this should this be fixed, right ? "Unlike the original variant, the wasp swarm will remain behind even if the nest is destroyed"

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 1:52 PM

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Sure?

bleak lagoon Feb 26, 2021, 5:42 PM

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ive found I can kill the swarms with Scout's shotgun secondary

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 5:42 PM

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Doesn't it have incendiary compound upgrade?

bleak lagoon Feb 26, 2021, 5:43 PM

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yes

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i havent tried without

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 5:43 PM

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So... What's wrong?

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Swarms are vulnerable to fire

bleak lagoon Feb 26, 2021, 5:43 PM

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ah, gotcha

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so they are supposed to st ick around

indigo kindle Feb 26, 2021, 5:46 PM

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Just to clear any confusion: Hollow Bough insect swarms stayed alive even after the nest was destroyed. That's a bug. It has been fixed in hotfix 9, if there's any evidence to the contrary - report it in #bug-discussion.

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 5:46 PM

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#jira-bug-reporter

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#bug-discussion isn't the best place to store bugs and notify devs

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I even don't know why it exists in the first place

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 5:58 PM

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Quick question, does difficulty scaling apply to damage dealt or enemy health?

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I seem to be misreading something on the wiki

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 6:01 PM

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what are you misreading

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Ok never mind, it's damage dealt, the health numbers displayed for enemies is just the eHP

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I was just trying to figure out how fragile's mechanic factors into the resistance scaling

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 6:04 PM

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Now I'm confused as well

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 6:04 PM

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So I'm guessing against a grunt on haz 5, it'll only deal 100%/1.2 of the enemy's remaining health

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 6:05 PM

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"This means any enemy with a scaling modifier of greater than 1 can't be directly killed by Fragile"

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 6:06 PM

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Righto

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About 83% of the remaining health

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 6:07 PM

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since damage will always be the value left for hp, but difficulty will always make it less than it is, for those cases

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for damage taken by players, are we just getting weaker or the creatures stronger?

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 6:11 PM

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Now that's a real brain teaser

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 8:09 PM

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about fragile, I always thought it was different against Grunts, but there is no mention of that last I checked

sand lantern Feb 26, 2021, 8:13 PM

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What do you mean after different?

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 8:27 PM

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doing more damage to slashers, grunts, guards just for having them frozen no matter the hp, so I remember their hp going down fast

bold plover Feb 26, 2021, 9:02 PM

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I know @floral drift had somewhat recently discovered more info about fragile.

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I don't think I understood what it was though, kind of forgot.

floral drift Feb 26, 2021, 9:15 PM

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oh, yeah, Fragile

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it works against every enemy the same way

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 9:15 PM

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We're having fun with maths

floral drift Feb 26, 2021, 9:18 PM

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once their "internal" HP is less than 100, it has a 1-HP/100 probability to do the remaining internal HP's value as some kind of typeless damage. I guess it might be Kinetic or Internal, but there's no way for me to tell. because that damage is still affected by the Difficulty Scaling Resistance, it can't get the killing blow vs Large Creatures above Haz2/4p, Haz3/3p, or Haz4/2p, and not against Normal Creatures on Haz4+

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because Grunt's internal HP is just 90, that means that if they get frozen by Snowball or Cryo Grenade, the first particle will have a 10% chance to do 90 damage.

radiant edge Feb 26, 2021, 9:28 PM

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Yea I was doing some testing myself and was surprised about the resistance scaling part

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I had always assumed it did static damage under a certain threshold and a successful roll

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 9:39 PM

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well, other than Kinetic and internal there is still Pure and Typeless damage

glacial topaz Feb 26, 2021, 10:39 PM

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now that was odd, from 100 to 0% on Drilldozer, haz2, no bulks or anything I could identify, also magma core, and drilling ommoran

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also, interesting to see the machine is called Drilldozer on the laserpointer, but using it on the head (at least after the mission ends , where you can carry it) displays Doretta

hot cedar Feb 26, 2021, 10:50 PM

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it probably considers the entire thing the drilldozer, and the head is doretta. which is what the dwarves refer to the head as when patting it as well so more evidence of that fact

bold plover Feb 26, 2021, 10:55 PM

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And it's called Escort_Mule.

glacial topaz Feb 27, 2021, 3:11 AM

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wait... the ommoran battle only mentions phases 2 and 4, why leave out 1 and 3 ?

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 3:19 AM

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because 1 and 3 are just swarms, nothing special

bold plover Feb 27, 2021, 3:19 AM

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Probably because nothing special happens.

glacial topaz Feb 27, 2021, 3:25 AM

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how is getting a swarm not special

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if it was just waiting sure

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 3:32 AM

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I mean you can add them if you want

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I'm just bad at english so I avoid adding too many things when I'm unsure about how to phrase them

hot cedar Feb 27, 2021, 3:39 AM

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i guess whoever didn't add them was afraid there wouldn't be much content to add for those phases

glacial topaz Feb 27, 2021, 4:13 AM

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is the enemy spawn amount the same for all phases, or it increases on 1 and 3 ?

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 1:11 PM

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not sure, it always seems like there is way less enemies on phase 2, I don't know for the rest

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does Unstoppable help with slasher's stun effect ?

weary sonnet Feb 27, 2021, 1:24 PM

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No effect on the slasher attack from what I can see.

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 1:24 PM

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yea I just tested too

weary sonnet Feb 27, 2021, 1:26 PM

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I made a quick mod to set the slow-down reduction to 100% to be sure.
If you plan to do some other tests on unstoppable, I can send it to you.

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 1:27 PM

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I don't know how to use mods but thanks anyway

weary sonnet Feb 27, 2021, 1:27 PM

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It is just a drag and drop in a specific folder.

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Well that may change in the next update depending on how GSG handle them in U34.
But for now you just need to put then in the …\Steam\steamapps\common\Deep Rock Galactic\FSD\Content\Paks folder.

kind epoch Feb 27, 2021, 1:34 PM

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I see thanks

glacial topaz Feb 27, 2021, 2:05 PM

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why is there even a "Songs with this mark are non-instrumental and contain vocals." on the bar page

radiant edge Feb 28, 2021, 6:50 AM

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Wait, are there actually any? lol

glacial topaz Feb 28, 2021, 11:10 PM

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hmm, thoughts ? can't forget thorns perk starts at 6 dmg and goes to 24 dmg on the last level

radiant edge Mar 1, 2021, 12:04 AM

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Just add "fully upgraded" in front

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 12:07 AM

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well, I think the previous upgrade also insta kills

ionic hedge Mar 1, 2021, 12:12 AM

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any info on these pillars? they give a halo effect after standing in the circle.. cant confirm this but it seemed like we barely did damage while under the effect

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ran out of nitra really fast

floral drift Mar 1, 2021, 12:14 AM

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we gotta pin the message at this point....

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Azure Weald pillars give 50% damage resistance to both players and enemies while inside their effect, and for 15 seconds afterwards

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likewise, the magic pit grants low gravity and +30% movespeed for 15s

ionic hedge Mar 1, 2021, 12:15 AM

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havent seen the pit yet

floral drift Mar 1, 2021, 12:15 AM

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nor have i -- either it's extremely rare or it just isn't spawning

ionic hedge Mar 1, 2021, 12:16 AM

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where does it spawn?

floral drift Mar 1, 2021, 12:16 AM

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Azure Weald

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it's supposed to be mutually exclusive with the pillars

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so if you have a mission with pillars, there's no way the pit can spawn

ionic hedge Mar 1, 2021, 12:17 AM

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explains why the dreds were so hard to kill now

high marsh Mar 1, 2021, 5:59 AM

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ionic hedge

they might be made out of the same material as the error cubes but you might have to fact check me on that

indigo kindle Mar 1, 2021, 6:54 AM

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floral drift nor have i -- either it's _extremely_ rare or it just isn't spawning

Gravity wells are definitely in the game, they're just extremely rare. I've seen only one since the update dropped.

floral drift Mar 1, 2021, 7:01 AM

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indigo kindle Gravity wells are definitely in the game, they're just extremely rare. I've seen...

lucky! they're the feature i was most excited about, and the only one i've seen was in the Azure Weald reveal stream

radiant edge Mar 1, 2021, 8:03 AM

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I'm starting to wonder if they botched up the spawn rate

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I get why the pillars would be rare but not so much on the wells

grave swift Mar 1, 2021, 9:26 AM

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floral drift Azure Weald pillars give 50% damage resistance to both players and enemies while...

I got the feeling like they also slowed down enemies

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 1:18 PM

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was this right ? removing the statement

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are those names correct?

weary sonnet Mar 1, 2021, 2:41 PM

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The names seems to be the good one, except for the undescore on the last one.
In case I missed a typo, here is a direct copy paste from crowdin:
Dry Thorn Tumble Bough Cone Creeper Vine Bloated Vine Corpse Feeder

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 2:56 PM

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think it would be more interesting to see the version of the cone hanging from the ceiling, also the file name is way different

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hmm...

weary sonnet Mar 1, 2021, 3:05 PM

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I was not aware it was possible, first time I hear that.

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Can you even reach them?

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Since you can’t carve them with TCF, I didn’t expect them to be diggable or drillable.

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 3:14 PM

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is it about standing on the dozer and aiming up, ? last I remember the rocks just float high and drop down

weary sonnet Mar 1, 2021, 3:16 PM

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Looks like he just stand above the dozer, look up and drill when the rooks are falling.

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 3:17 PM

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so thoughts on keeping it as a tip ?

weary sonnet Mar 1, 2021, 3:18 PM

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I think we can keep it, but it is more as a last resort when lacking damage than a full tactic.

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Since if you miss one you will die.

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 3:19 PM

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not sure how to feel about saying it is a glitch

weary sonnet Mar 1, 2021, 3:20 PM

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I think we can remove the part saying it is a glitch while keeping the rest.

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 3:23 PM

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will keep the first part which is the important one, no need for a video or saying it may be patched,

chrome sierra Mar 1, 2021, 7:53 PM

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what are the plasma gun's projectile speeds in m/s? can't find it on the wiki

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 7:56 PM

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well, we didn't include that info for projectiles, I can see if I have it though

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 8:14 PM

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if I am not missing anything, seems to be 35 m/s for Normal Shot, and 13 m/s for Charged Shot

chrome sierra Mar 1, 2021, 8:17 PM

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glacial topaz if I am not missing anything, seems to be 35 m/s for Normal Shot, and 13 m/s for...

thanks for getting the info rocknstone

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 8:25 PM

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don't forget to consider the modifications for the speed too

kind epoch Mar 1, 2021, 9:15 PM

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floral drift likewise, the magic pit grants low gravity and +30% movespeed for 15s

why don't you add it to the wiki

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if you have those informations

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also don't hesitate to rename "Particle Well", this is not accurate I just forgot to take the laser to check if those things had names after I took the screenshot, and never saw another one

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I don't even know if the laser says anything

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But anyways, I genuinely don't understand why some of you guys refuse to edit the wiki, I saw written 3 or 4 times here what the exact effects of the circle pillars and magic pit are, and yet this is still not on the page

floral drift Mar 1, 2021, 9:31 PM

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kind epoch why don't you add it to the wiki

A: i do edit the wiki -- a lot.
B: anyone can edit the wiki, it's not the responsibility of just 10 people. if you see something either incorrect or missing, you can fix it instead of waiting for someone else to notice it too.
C: i'm not the only person who knows this -- Banagement was the first one to report the info, and several other people in the wiki channel know this info too. you can't place the blame entirely on me.
D: my expertise is in weapon mechanics, i just happened to know the answer to that question because it's been asked in this channel a minimum of 4 times.

bold plover Mar 1, 2021, 9:34 PM

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nice

kind epoch Mar 1, 2021, 9:34 PM

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don't take it personally, I'm just asking why the people having access to those infos don't add them to the wiki - instead of just saying them here and waiting for the other persons that don't know them like me, to read it and copy them instead

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but anyway, doesn't matter

bold plover Mar 1, 2021, 9:36 PM

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I generally don't have time during the day and I don't care enough when I am free, but mostly because I don't really remember how to edit stuff since it has been so long.

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Speaking of which, need to get all of the combos for Brigade weapons to add to the full gallery of weapon combos.

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Which I assume is still not on the wiki?

glacial topaz Mar 1, 2021, 10:03 PM

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don't think so

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does it not work for critters / passive creatures ? also unsure if saying it lasts 15 seconds after leaving is the best way to describe it, even if it is what happens in pratice

kind epoch Mar 2, 2021, 3:18 AM

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does that mean it stops scaling during refueling, which is not a dig phase ? Would that mean the scaling basically doesn't matter in term of time pressure as it can't be controlled by players ?

glacial topaz Mar 2, 2021, 3:26 AM

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interesting thing, remember talking about it here, but no idea what was the conclusion,

grave swift Mar 2, 2021, 9:19 AM

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glacial topaz hmm...

W H A T?!?! Did we get anyone testing this?! Because if we did, I have a new Doretta strategy 👀

weary sonnet Mar 2, 2021, 10:42 AM

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kind epoch does that mean it stops scaling during refueling, which is not a dig phase ? Wou...

That would be the logical conclusion.
The only way I have to verify it would be to check the music played during the different phases of the missions.
Since the files I found about that basically listed 3 things: the phase name, scaling condition and music playlist.
So we could find the exact switch time by finding the time the music stop looping and the playlist change since there is not much overlap (well and if there is some overlap for this particular case we can probably mod it a bit to change the playlist for the test).

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A bit hard to check for me because I don’t bear sound, so I need to play with a very low volume which doesn’t help when trying to find a music change.

glacial topaz Mar 2, 2021, 2:20 PM

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Perhaps I can help somehow later, be creative and all

weary sonnet Mar 2, 2021, 2:25 PM

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Not sure how important it would be to check that.
The question at first was which mission have a scaling similar to PE.
I may be able to limit the playlist to one songs per phase, not sure it will work, but it should be easy to test.
(I will try that on PE a bit later.)

wicked cave Mar 2, 2021, 3:06 PM

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Late reply, but wow I figured this out with 2 other green beard teammates over the weekend. And we were on Haz 2. I’ve never seen anything like it, just unending spawn after spawn, we killed almost 500 enemies on a 3P haz 2 refinery mission

kind epoch Mar 2, 2021, 3:08 PM

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weary sonnet Not sure how important it would be to check that. The question at first was whic...

it's important to know if you're supposed to refuel ASAP or if you can take your time

kind epoch Mar 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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wicked cave Late reply, but wow I figured this out with 2 other green beard teammates over t...

yes, that's insane how it becomes, I learnt the hard way too

wicked cave Mar 2, 2021, 3:09 PM

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It seemed like the waves for “drop pod inbound” started early honestly, wonder if it’s the same game mechanic

full forge Mar 2, 2021, 6:42 PM

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after where it lists overclocks for the breach cutter where it describes the unique overclocks for roll control it only says "Roll Control is a Clean Overclock" and nothing else. Am i supposed to expand somehow or should this be fixed?

glacial topaz Mar 2, 2021, 6:45 PM

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You know the missing values to add ?

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 12:55 AM

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how is this tip ? I know the chance is wrong already, but what about the rest

bold plover Mar 3, 2021, 12:59 AM

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I think they do 800 damage iirc, definitely cannot one tap them though with just one.

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It has been a strat for ages but I always disliked it.

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 1:13 AM

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well, will wait to see if you guys prefer to improve it or get rid of

indigo kindle Mar 3, 2021, 5:09 AM

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bold plover I think they do 800 damage iirc, definitely cannot one tap them though with just...

If I remember last patch notes about Supply Pods' impact damage correctly, then it was changed to 1000 damage.

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 5:21 AM

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i guess the wiki is going to be migrated soon

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there goes loads of formatting ig

floral drift Mar 3, 2021, 5:23 AM

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low hamlet i guess the wiki is going to be migrated soon

wasn't the migration weeks ago?

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 5:30 AM

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no

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floral drift Mar 3, 2021, 6:30 AM

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but there was the whole thing how the LaTeX extension broke and we had to change to a different one -- was that not the migration?

acoustic scarab Mar 3, 2021, 9:25 AM

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floral drift wasn't the migration weeks ago?

I think last year they just merged user accounts. This time it's actual content

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 11:59 AM

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low hamlet i guess the wiki is going to be migrated soon

It's a URL change, nothing else changes

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I would have raised the alarm on it if it was meant to have a impact on us

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They did an earlier test (https://community.fandom.com/wiki/User_blog:MisterWoodhouse/The_Future_of_Gamepedia) it has a list of wikis that had their URLs changed

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All URLs seem to redirect (might not be true for new pages made after the transition)

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2 Examples if you want to see for yourself
https://riskofrain2.fandom.com/
https://magicka.fandom.com/

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 1:57 PM

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any correct ?

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what about

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM

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shell frigate It's a URL change, nothing else changes

so wiki format is going to be the same?

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM

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Yeah, check the examples

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 2:00 PM

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oh. cool

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well that's a lot better than forcing fandom format

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 2:02 PM

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glacial topaz any correct ?

Not sure if fear is how the shield works, but it certainly has a similar effect to get them out of the bubble

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 2:03 PM

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glacial topaz what about

Both true, no others have remains (unless i've forgotten one)

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 2:04 PM

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and you can not destroy it ?

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wont that conflict with "The remaining husk can also be destroyed with one pickaxe hit."

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well, I will just test in game

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 2:12 PM

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glacial topaz how is this tip ? I know the chance is wrong already, but what about the rest

also thoughts on this ? changing, or removing

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 2:14 PM

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Well the 1/3 change I guess is them referring to the chance of it being a hiveguard

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 2:16 PM

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I mean, if you think it is a good tip to have I will fix the odds part, if you think it is a bad one, the entire thing is gone

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can already see the gunkseed can be entirely destroyed

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 2:27 PM

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Must have auto corrected that in my head, think best reworked to be on the lines of are the only 2 that leave any traces

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Ebonut remains were possible to destroy before (just may have been changed)

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Believe it's immortal till you take it

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:25 PM

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does c4'ing oil shale yield less?

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same question for epc mining

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 3:26 PM

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No way of mining ores ever gave less

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Should hold true for Shale

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:26 PM

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i believe they made exploding it yield less in some patch, but im not sure if they removed it or not

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 3:27 PM

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They reverted it immediately

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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perfect

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thanks!

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 3:28 PM

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i do feel like i get less when EPC than with pick, but that's only anecdotally. not been directly tested. The only variation i am certain of is mining gold with "Pots o Gold" beer.

shell frigate Mar 3, 2021, 3:29 PM

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Yeah beer buffs only apply to pickaxe

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 3:53 PM

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do veins come in quantifiable "sizes" ?

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:54 PM

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no idea

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i think they probably have some parameters that say "spawn like this" and then it procedurally generates

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 3:55 PM

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is that asking if they all have the same size ?

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:56 PM

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not really

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i think they're wondering if they come in set amounts of minerals given

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 3:58 PM

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this is confusing, as in nothing can affect the total amount ?

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 3:59 PM

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?

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 4:00 PM

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what would be the other option if not coming with set amounts

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 4:01 PM

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being randomly set in a certain range

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 4:04 PM

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i mean is there size 1 vein with 20 minerals, and a size 10 vein with 80 minerals etc

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 4:05 PM

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you mean preset and not range ?

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 4:05 PM

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and it doesn't matter how you mine a size 1 vein, you can only get 20 minerals max

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that sort of thing

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i'm not sure.

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as Gold rush maps have extra "long" veins too

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 4:08 PM

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are you just curious or is there a reason to know that

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 4:30 PM

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curious mostly, but it would be useful to be able to estimate minerals on sight for Haz5 Nitra

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 4:36 PM

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I thought it was for oil shale

gusty bridge Mar 3, 2021, 4:54 PM

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that too

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 5:07 PM

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I guess that is just based on size, with different sizes within a range

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 5:27 PM

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on another note, interesting how mission control audio won't work if you don't have Soud Effect volume up

tranquil hazel Mar 3, 2021, 6:07 PM

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Okay, so I was recommended coming in here with my question:

I don't know where to ask exactly, but could someone help me with exporting the game's models (and textures if possible)? I tried doing it via UE Viewer but it crashes everytime I try do it. (and I guess it's connected to this channel since I want to use it for fan arts and such)

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 6:10 PM

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are you setting it to version 4.25 ?

sand lantern Mar 3, 2021, 6:37 PM

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Done

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||He didn't||

low hamlet Mar 3, 2021, 6:49 PM

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heh

glacial topaz Mar 3, 2021, 11:33 PM

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wait, why I don't have the scale brigade for driller as an option, but have finished the assignment already ?

bold plover Mar 4, 2021, 12:39 AM

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It is the stock skin if you are using the brigade armor.

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 12:51 AM

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smh

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thx

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:17 AM

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heh

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 3:05 AM

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huh, as long as you don't kill the Dread, you can't get more swarms on Mining expedition ?

kind epoch Mar 4, 2021, 3:08 AM

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it's on the hotfix 4

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no swarm during dread

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 3:10 AM

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that just seems like random spawns, not swarms

kind epoch Mar 4, 2021, 3:26 AM

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true, I mentally included swarms in it, and never had it happen during dreads either, but it could be proven otherwise

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 3:46 AM

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where would be the best place to have mining Expedition swarm type + delays ? the swarm page, the Mining page, or ?

tranquil hazel Mar 4, 2021, 8:09 AM

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So, I've browsed this channel for the answer but couldn't find it. Anyway, I know that the game doesn't have many textures, materials rather, but when I exported those they have been saved as text files. Now, is it possible to convert them in any way for Blender?

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 1:58 PM

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would probably be interesting to know what really happens here

shell frigate Mar 4, 2021, 2:00 PM

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tranquil hazel So, I've browsed this channel for the answer but couldn't find it. Anyway, I kno...

Unfortunately (at least list time I looked into it) Exported Unreal materials don't convert into blender materials they have to be recreated

shell frigate Mar 4, 2021, 2:01 PM

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glacial topaz would probably be interesting to know what really happens here

Acid spitter thing could be the Status effect doing nothing

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Sconk

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Tweaked the Plasma Bursters grenade friendly fire modifier from 100% to 50% (of Normal friendly fire reduction)

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so would that mean friendly fire for the plasma burster is now 25%?

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:06 PM

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with the perk ?

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:07 PM

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without

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of Normal friendly fire reduction

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what

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:08 PM

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that they reduced it , yes, but I am pretty sure it shouldn't be like that

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they said they decreased it by 15%, but not compared to the normal ammount, which means the first value could be anything else

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:11 PM

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so ill just remove that part

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what do you think about the plasma burster thing

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oh u got it already 👍

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:13 PM

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same for the burst

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:13 PM

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*Mini-M.U.L.E. legs were depositable, but this was a glitch since it could cause the mission to be uncompletable.

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before what update?

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:14 PM

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low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:14 PM

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yep found it

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U32

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:15 PM

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?

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:16 PM

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i get what they are referring to but it isnt really necessary

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give me a sec. ill take a closer look

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ok well we need a better doretta image

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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saying that platform goes straight through the ramp ?

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:21 PM

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it doesnt go through. the game doesnt place it

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same goes for the drop pod, minehead, heartstone, and refinery, etc

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 2:22 PM

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so better to reword it ?

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:23 PM

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anyway, can we move Accessory Shop to Accessories?

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sure

low hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 2:46 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Accessory_Shop#Armor
missing scale brigade and dawn of the dread

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Accessory Shop

The Accessory Shop is a Terminal where you can purchase various cosmetic items for your Dwarves, it's located in the Space Rig, close to the Mission Terminal.The prices for cosmetics vary, they can go from immensely cheap to expensive as equipment upgrades. Each dwarf already has a number of items unlocked by default, each purchase of a beard, a...

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i can get to it today probably

proper hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 4:53 PM

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Hello miners, can ask you what is this Matrix Core? First time i see it and i don't know what does it mean. Thanks!

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 4:54 PM

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last I remember it just means you will get a bunch of Bismor (that one) when you craft it or something,

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pretty sure it will appear on the forge, guessing we didn't put it on the wiki yet ?

proper hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 4:59 PM

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i searched on the wiki. no results on the matrix core section. so it will appear like a matrix core to forge to obtain bismor?

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new for me 😄 maybe only for deep dive elite? (i saw it in a stream btw)

sand lantern Mar 4, 2021, 5:00 PM

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proper hamlet Hello miners, can ask you what is this Matrix Core? First time i see it and i d...

Mineral cores appear once you've collected all OC and cosmetic cores

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They give you a little of mineral in exchange for a little of money

glacial topaz Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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it is just a reward after you got every other reward possible iirc

proper hamlet Mar 4, 2021, 5:01 PM

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ow great! thank! i got it

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matrix_core

austere fossil Mar 4, 2021, 7:59 PM

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They're actually pretty good if you need credits/minerals for a promotion. 120 for 600 credits is 30 times better than regular price at the trade terminal, or you can immediately sell them for a net 5400 credit profit.

idle patrol Mar 5, 2021, 1:10 AM

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I have a question, it says in the description of cryo minelets that it's always 10 freezing power, yet I've heard on this discord it scales off of the zhukovs damage number. I assume that the wiki is correct here?

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 1:18 AM

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never ever heard about damage affecting freezing power, so if you can't notice any difference in the game it is probably false, if you can, might be a missing piece of info

floral drift Mar 5, 2021, 1:23 AM

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to the best of my knowledge, Zhukovs' OC "Cryo Minelets" does 10 Cold regardless of the Zhukov's damage

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:09 AM

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is it really not Red ?

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 2:13 AM

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it's red....

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went ahead and reverted it

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:18 AM

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owo colorblindness be like

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 2:19 AM

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possibly lol

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can we go ahead and merge this? ive already started the first bit, but this had been like this for months

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:31 AM

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if you can

bold plover Mar 5, 2021, 2:41 AM

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Cryo Minelets only have a 70% chance to exist per ammo consumed from what I saw a while back.

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I could probably change it to 0% and see if that actually prevents minelets, just to verify.

sand lantern Mar 5, 2021, 4:12 AM

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Knowing cryo mine only has one file, I'd bet its power is fixed

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 4:23 AM

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glacial topaz if you can

ill just prep everything to be on one page. and then have cyrob or ely delete the golden lootbug page

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:08 PM

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how is this ? they changed gk2 to m1000 for acid spitters

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 2:08 PM

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ye

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since m1k is very high accuracy

sand lantern Mar 5, 2021, 2:10 PM

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GK2 with T1A or AI-stability has the same benefit

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:11 PM

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gk2 with that AI oc though

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thing doesn't move at all

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webspitter, is "are some of best to take out" even correct grammar wise ? "long effective range" doesn't seem to make much sense, what that even means

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 2:21 PM

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i think mentioning specific weapons is probably unnecessary and besides the point though.

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just say accurate weapons or something

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 2:30 PM

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will do that later, if you don't before

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what about the damage ? wouldn't the correct be DpS ?

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will do both

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indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 4:10 PM

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glacial topaz what about the damage ? wouldn't the correct be DpS ?

Gaming slang mostly uses DPS as in Damage Per Second; why is per capitalised, I have no idea. Probably for ease of use.

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 4:24 PM

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how can i get this piped link to display as "Golden Loot Bug" instead of...well...what it is in that ss

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im guessing it's gonna require some editing of the template

shell frigate Mar 5, 2021, 4:25 PM

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Might not

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 4:26 PM

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shell frigate Mar 5, 2021, 4:26 PM

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There are ways around that

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Simple one is turning old page to a redirect

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 4:27 PM

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that's a good idea

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yeah im just gonna do that

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well that made a lot of things easier

shell frigate Mar 5, 2021, 4:29 PM

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Happy to have helped

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 4:36 PM

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huh, seems that Oversized Valves just increase the RoF by +1.8, and not 30%, reviewing the values now that we know OC happens after Mods

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 4:37 PM

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Just checked, it is indeed +1.8 RoF in the game files (which technically equals to 30% of a base FT's RoF).

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And Face Melter's bonus is also +1.8 RoF in the game files, so it's just easier for the Wiki to scrap the entire percentage thing.

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 4:44 PM

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Some stuff are still %, but now I can tell when it really is
On a similar note I tried checking how fast the spin control spins for BC and so far 33 is the only thing I could find, but not sure if that means anything

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 5:04 PM

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im going to try to edit the updated template to have it say "This page is possibly not up to date" if you leave the update part blank

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i dont exactly know how those work super clearly (ive fiddled with it before) so i might for help

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 5:35 PM

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for CRSPR is the correct Rate of Fire, or Fuel Flow Rate ?

radiant edge Mar 5, 2021, 5:43 PM

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They both appear to be the same

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I guess just get rid of rate of fire since the mods say fuel flow rate

sand lantern Mar 5, 2021, 5:46 PM

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||~~Could be a good pun but we're not GSG~~||

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 5:52 PM

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Fuel Flow Rate is the term used in the game, but since it's identical to RoF anyway...

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The long explanation for It Burns! under the Unique Modifications section on the Wiki's Flamethrower page still lists Sticky Flames Damage as a recommended mod despite it ceasing to exist since Flamethrower's rebalance (was it U28?)

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 6:01 PM

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tbf, why does that section even exists, the thing is already explained on the mod section, as 13% per fuel, everything else is just recommendations

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 6:03 PM

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Need to hyperlink Fear page into that mod's effect description IMO.

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 6:07 PM

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done

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 6:11 PM

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There's also an issue with the hover tooltip when you mouse over the text in brackets for this mod. It still references "see the Stats Breakdown part for more info". That could be cut.

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 6:16 PM

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fixed

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 6:36 PM

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lol

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 6:44 PM

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wonder why some pages even have the stub template, like the CSRPR and other weapons for example, if everything is a stub, than nothing is, if you know what I mean

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 6:46 PM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

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ill look through them

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 6:59 PM

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now that is specific , explosive reload is x0.49 clip, not x0.5, also wondering, should we use +100% base spread, or x2 base spread ? latter would be better ? went with later, checking EPC now

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 7:14 PM

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is this gonna work?

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the #if bit

austere fossil Mar 5, 2021, 7:17 PM

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glacial topaz now that is specific , explosive reload is x0.49 clip, not x0.5, also wondering,...

If you were referring to the Automatic Fire OC for the Subata, then x2 since that's how it's coded and it avoids confusion with how it interacts with T1A's x0 base spread.

floral drift Mar 5, 2021, 7:23 PM

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glacial topaz now that is specific , explosive reload is x0.49 clip, not x0.5, also wondering,...

i suspect that GSG coded Subata OC "Explosive Reload" mag size as round(0.49 * MagSize) to avoid rounding up when T1.B is equipped.

low hamlet Mar 5, 2021, 7:27 PM

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low hamlet is this gonna work?

so it's only outputting This page is not up to date even if you put in a parameter

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i think i got it!

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yep. putting {{Updated}} on a page should now output This page is possibly not up to date.

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dang it

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ok i think i fixed it

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ok should be good now :)

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 7:46 PM

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floral drift i suspect that GSG coded Subata OC "Explosive Reload" mag size as `round(0.49 * ...

If the mag ends up as x.5 as the result of a multiplier, it's rounded down. It's anything above that is rounded up. Source: just did some testing with Subata ER checking the magsize rounding interactions in general. In particular, I set that penalty to x0.5 and x0.51 in two consecutive tests. First one gave me 8 magsize with 12 default + 5 from T1 magsize, second gave me 9 magsize as the result.

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 9:07 PM

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for EPC should we use all the heat as absolute units, such as 1, or %, so 100% ?

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Engineer up next, but might check drills first

high saffron Mar 5, 2021, 9:29 PM

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Apparently the Employee of the Month board doesn't exist anymore at all, not even in the main bar. Went searching for it based on the wiki page about the Abyss Bar, but it's gone.

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could do with a notation that it's an outdated feature in some capacity, assuming it doesn't come back in the future.

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 9:35 PM

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your game is probably just bugged

indigo kindle Mar 5, 2021, 10:10 PM

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This is a known bug, affects all platforms atm. One of the hotfixes completely broke the EotM board display.

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Current EotM is overstaying his month until GSG fixes the display (source: regulars chat)

high saffron Mar 5, 2021, 10:20 PM

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gotcha.

radiant edge Mar 5, 2021, 10:31 PM

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For the Reinforced Power Drills, does the mining rate correspond with the tool's fuel consumption rate?

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Like for the base of 1.5 mining rate, is that 1.5 fuel expended per second?

glacial topaz Mar 5, 2021, 10:38 PM

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pretty sure that is rate, not fuel cost

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shouldn't be too hard to check out the fuel usage too, or at least a rough estimation through gameplay

radiant edge Mar 5, 2021, 10:45 PM

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Hm, I was thinking that that was the case since the increased drill speed mods also increases the consumption rate

floral drift Mar 5, 2021, 10:45 PM

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glacial topaz for EPC should we use all the heat as absolute units, such as 1, or %, so 100% ?

i'm of the opinion to use in-game values as often as possible. heat of 0.13 per regular shot or 1.0 per charged shot, and then those are modified by TCF, Heat Pipe, and Heavy Hitter

spark ridge Mar 6, 2021, 12:16 AM

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alright, so say I had a frozen target, affected by IFG. in this case, i am shooting at it with the zhukovs, with conductive bullets.
how would the damage be calculated? would it be calculated by:
zhuk_damage * 3*(1.3+1.3)?
or
zhuk_damage * 3 * 1.3 * 1.3?

floral drift Mar 6, 2021, 12:31 AM

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the latter.

Conductive Bullets and Frozen affect the Damage per bullet, IFG affects the damage taken by the Creature. so it would be (Damage * 1.3 * 3) * 1.3

spark ridge Mar 6, 2021, 12:41 AM

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ah, thanks!

fading lion Mar 6, 2021, 6:56 PM

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Just out of curiosity, how confident are we in the new dreads' wiki data?

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 6:58 PM

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did you find something wrong

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 8:05 PM

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technically resistances are missing since I could not get them, but if there is a value it should be correct

short cloud Mar 6, 2021, 8:06 PM

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I guess they are not going to differ too much from the OG dread. At least for the hiveguard.

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 8:08 PM

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last I heard the way the damage resistance is tested is via shooting in game and checking the damage, so feel free to do some tests, on twins and hiveguard, well, might be easier said than done, but there is that

weary sonnet Mar 6, 2021, 9:37 PM

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For endemic/banned enemies per biome:

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Can’t update it for now, I will check if the wiki has the whole list right tomorrow if it is not done in the meantime.

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 9:41 PM

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also been thinking, again, on how to display the right values for LS / zhukovs, but while I am not sure, will keep checking stuff

weary sonnet Mar 6, 2021, 9:41 PM

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Banned mission type:Point extract pour le korlok.

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 9:43 PM

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would this be correct ?

weary sonnet Mar 6, 2021, 9:44 PM

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I think it is, the in game variable is ShotCost I think.

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 10:05 PM

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also, shouldn't this be x2, instead of +0.3 RoF scaling ?

mystic shell Mar 6, 2021, 10:10 PM

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Hey Guys, sorry to barge in here like this, but since your the experts regarding game files, I figured to ask here: I wanted to know if there is a way to extract drillers "yeeet" voicline? I want to use it as a ringtone on my phone.

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Can it just be found somewhere in the game folder. Or does one have to perform black magic to get the audio file out of there?

floral drift Mar 6, 2021, 10:41 PM

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glacial topaz also, shouldn't this be x2, instead of +0.3 RoF scaling ?

i mean... it's a semantic difference. 0.3 + 0.3 = 0.6 = 0.3 * 2. the in-game description says that it doubles RoF rampup, but that's a vast oversimplification of what T2.C Lighter Barrel Assembly does, and often it's over a 50% reduction

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 10:45 PM

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hue, only reason to use the actual in game correct value is in case something changes in some update

bold plover Mar 6, 2021, 11:22 PM

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Afaik all voice lines are all about engineer in pitch, the game uses different pitch values to alter the voice lines per class.

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 11:31 PM

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hue, I forgot that detail when I was about to get the voice line

radiant edge Mar 6, 2021, 11:35 PM

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A simple UE viewer should suffice to get audio files

radiant edge Mar 6, 2021, 11:37 PM

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mystic shell Hey Guys, sorry to barge in here like this, but since your the experts regarding...

Here

glacial topaz Mar 6, 2021, 11:39 PM

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did you listen to every single line of dialogue until you heard the "yeet"

radiant edge Mar 6, 2021, 11:41 PM

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Just 11 of them lol

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I knew it was under impact axe

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 12:09 AM

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on equipment page, curious on how bosco is the only one that doesn't have their full name displayed,

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 2:07 AM

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how fast does it take to Focus with M1000 ? trying to figure out how the values I got work, so some in game info might make it easier

floral drift Mar 7, 2021, 2:48 AM

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1/(1.55 * Focus Speed Multiplier) to fully charge up a Focused Shot, with 1/RoF second delay before you can charge up the next Focused Shot

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 2:49 AM

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now that is interesting, and should be on the wiki, also it seems it is a value added, not %, so 0.46 for charging coils, and 0.31 for the other one

floral drift Mar 7, 2021, 2:51 AM

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30% of 1.55 is 0.465, 20% is 0.31, so that tracks.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 2:52 AM

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technically I had found the 0.46 and 0.31 values first, did some math to find that the base speed should be 1.55, until I confirmed it was indeed the value

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should that be on the M1000 stats tables, or a different section ?

floral drift Mar 7, 2021, 2:54 AM

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personally, i would place it in an "understanding the weapon" kind of section rather than the main table

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since it's a moderate amount of information to detail and explain

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 2:56 AM

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doesn't seem like too much information, the mods will appear on their section, so you only need the base speed (1.55), the required charge (1), and the cooldown (1/rof), curious how rof is used and not focus

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 3:28 AM

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how is this

floral drift Mar 7, 2021, 3:38 AM

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it doesn't account for Hipster increasing RoF to 7, by extension lowering the cooldown to 1/7

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 3:39 AM

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well, that is why it says 1 / Rate of fire

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and only the base value is displayed for reference

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 4:02 AM

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on another note, if you stop shooting with the AC does the RoF resets completely ?

indigo kindle Mar 7, 2021, 4:08 AM

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Yes.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 4:13 AM

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Brutal

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 4:30 AM

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What if we make a template for weapons that has info on them being affected by freeze, weakpoints, armor, etc etc ?

radiant edge Mar 7, 2021, 4:40 AM

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Actually I'm pretty sure the AC allows a small window where you can go back to firing at max RoF

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 4:49 AM

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Well, would be nice to know, because if it is the case I know the values already

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Seems like shooting ground until max rof, stopping, and hitting something should t

radiant edge Mar 7, 2021, 5:04 AM

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What exactly are you trying to figure out

mystic shell Mar 7, 2021, 8:32 AM

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radiant edge Here

wow, thanks for the effort! this immediately goes on my phone. rocknstone

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 1:41 PM

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radiant edge Actually I'm pretty sure the AC allows a small window where you can go back to f...

if this is true, how it works

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?

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 2:47 PM

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for Drills "Heat removal on Damage" is it 20% per kill ?

bold plover Mar 7, 2021, 6:08 PM

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Yes, Unstoppable does allow that.

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While the description of Dash is incorrect for what it does in-game, it and Unstoppable use the same system so if they make Dash properly work vs enemy slowdowns it will apply to Unstoppable too.

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So they do plan on fixing that but they have to separate their systems.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 7:08 PM

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other than a weapon's intereaction with Armors, Weakpoints, and Freeze, is there any other interaction that might be nice to have ?

bold plover Mar 7, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Maybe how the final Subata upgrades, Stubby and Zhukov bonus damages work?

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Haven't looked at the pages for those, but I assume people are curious about what it actually boosts and is it worth it for breakpoints.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 7:15 PM

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don't think there is even anything to explain about that that isn't there

bold plover Mar 7, 2021, 7:16 PM

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Alright.

radiant edge Mar 7, 2021, 8:21 PM

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glacial topaz if this is true, how it works

I meant like how you didn't need to be continuously firing to maintain max RoF, you can let go of M1 for a brief second and then go back to holding it without the RoF resetting

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Are you trying to figure out like how long of a window that brief second is?

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 8:23 PM

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I wasn't sure if you were sure it happened

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M1 ?? I am talking about AC

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eh ?

lost perch Mar 7, 2021, 8:33 PM

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glacial topaz M1 ?? I am talking about AC

mouse 1

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And yeah, AC saves its rof for a brief moment, but i'm not sure if rof resets to zero or quickly goes down to zero

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 8:37 PM

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feel that wasn't a good spot for it, the table should take care of it, and how does it really interact anyway ? not a fan of the "seems"

lost perch Mar 7, 2021, 8:38 PM

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AFAIK all damage resistances stack multiplicatively

weary sonnet Mar 7, 2021, 9:00 PM

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For the stat stacking in DRG.

📎 DRG_PawnStats.yml

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 9:04 PM

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meaning that if you have veteran depositing at 30% and the AC mod with 33%, you resist 1 / (1.33 * 1.3), so ~42.1% ?

weary sonnet Mar 7, 2021, 9:07 PM

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PST_DamageResistance:
    Starting value: 1
    Stacking Type: Multiplicative
    Value Modification Type: Multiplicative```
Vet depositor is ×0.7
Autocannon is ×0.7 as well
If you have both you end up with 49% damage resistance or 51% damage taken.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 9:09 PM

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wait... when I checked the value it seemed to be 0.33 for AC

weary sonnet Mar 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

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FSD\Content\WeaponsNTools\Autocannon\STE_AutoCanno_DamageResit
I just checked them here, are they somewhere else as well?

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For vet depositor I am not sure since there is two files, one with ×0.8 and one with ×0.7 so not sure which one is used.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 9:12 PM

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StatusEffectAtFullROF , at the UPG ones (FullRoFResits to be more specific)

weary sonnet Mar 7, 2021, 9:13 PM

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I think that one is only for the text display since it is missing the pawn stat, but I could be wrong.

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 9:14 PM

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for now I will just say the are multiplicative, guessing there needs to be a round of special testing on resitances to be sure on which value it uses

glacial topaz Mar 7, 2021, 10:08 PM

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??

analog rock Mar 7, 2021, 10:41 PM

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All of these are valid, not sure if they are good tips, but none of them are misleading at least.

sand lantern Mar 8, 2021, 5:29 AM

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glacial topaz ??

I investigated into files a while ago, it's probable that Korlok de-aggroes whenever you get further than 45 meters away

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Korlok has a weird aggro mechanic. I remember one play somewhere in July when wind launched me onto offspring head, it didn't trigger

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And sometimes you just pass by and trigger it

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Same goes for spitters, in rare cases it's possible to get to it from behind while it is dormant

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 1:02 PM

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so, are both words right or ?

rain lava Mar 8, 2021, 1:22 PM

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Greetings, BRÖTHERS. I know oil shale is reduced when you extract it with anything but the fuel canister. I usually warn players on my party about that. The thing is I don´t know the exact amount it gets lost in the process if you blow it up. Is it 1/3 of the total? a bit less? a bit more? Hope you can help me here rocknstone

acoustic scarab Mar 8, 2021, 1:31 PM

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glacial topaz so, are both words right or ?

"Perpetuated" is correct

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 1:34 PM

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perpetrared exists too though

acoustic scarab Mar 8, 2021, 1:40 PM

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It does, but "perpetuate" focuses on the process being drawn-out in time

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"Perpetrate" is about causing or facilitating something illegal or immoral

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 1:42 PM

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wasn't illegal, but maybe immoral

acoustic scarab Mar 8, 2021, 1:48 PM

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Look at examples of both words in sentences and you'll see that "perpetuate" fits better

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 1:50 PM

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maybe using "long perpetuated harmful" myth would work too

acoustic scarab Mar 8, 2021, 1:51 PM

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In what way is it harmful that people believed bulks to be more likely to spawn in exploder infestation missions? 😄

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 2:01 PM

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picking them to finish Interplanetary Miners Union goals, and deceiving people in spreading false information,

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Lol, but no worries

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 3:04 PM

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rain lava Greetings, BRÖTHERS. I know oil shale is reduced when you extract it with anythi...

You now get the same quantity of Oil Shale no matter how you get it.
The change you mentioned was reverted in U32H8.

Collecting oil shale chunks made from blowing up the oil shale or pickaxe mining now gives the same amount of oil shale as if you were using the canister directly on the oil shale.

gusty bridge Mar 8, 2021, 4:19 PM

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glacial topaz so, are both words right or ?

Perpetrated = action, usually by a specific person or group,
Perpetuated = a continuation/spread, related to perpetual.

in the case above:
You're speaking about how the myth is (was?) spread and continued by the ill-informed community, not how it was deliberately created by specific people.

long-perpetrated doesn't really make sense, but could mean the action of creating the myth took long.
long-perpetuated means the myth lasted a long time and spread far.

gusty bridge Mar 8, 2021, 4:22 PM

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weary sonnet You now get the same quantity of Oil Shale no matter how you get it. The change ...

does this apply for all minerals?

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 4:24 PM

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Yes, the only difference you can notice with the different method for getting the minerals should be rounding errors.

rain lava Mar 8, 2021, 4:40 PM

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weary sonnet You now get the same quantity of Oil Shale no matter how you get it. The change ...

Much apreciate it!

gusty bridge Mar 8, 2021, 4:43 PM

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do L.U.R.E and Pheromones each work regardless of enemy types? or is there some resistance stat in there like Fear/stun?

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 4:45 PM

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I didn’t find any resistance stat for that, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist.
Some enemies ignore lure and pheromone aggro completly, in particular all stationnary enemies, dread and q’ronar if it hasn’t changed since U32.

gusty bridge Mar 8, 2021, 4:51 PM

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thanks

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lure wiki mentions use against spitball infectors, we're sure it's ineffective against them? if so i can kill that line.

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 4:54 PM

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by wiki you mean page ?
last I played that thing never shot at any of the LURE grenades I used, even if I hid

wicked cave Mar 8, 2021, 6:40 PM

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does damage from Zhukov embedded dets OC benefit from Conductive Bullets? couldn't find in the wiki

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some steam threads on it, but inconclusive test results

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 6:44 PM

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It doesn’t, only creature side damage modification apply, so IFG debuff and resistances from hazard level are the main thing that can affect it.

wicked cave Mar 8, 2021, 6:45 PM

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thanks. so cryo too?

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or is that a different mechanic

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 6:46 PM

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No, cryo doesn’t affect it since it behave like a one tick DoT.

wicked cave Mar 8, 2021, 6:46 PM

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so if enemy is in a frozen state, taking 300% more damage...is that creature-side damage mod?

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(sorry, maybe I should read the wiki)

weary sonnet Mar 8, 2021, 6:47 PM

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Damage is only increased vs frozen enemies if the damage is single target and deal in a single instance.

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 6:47 PM

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technically +200% since it is x3 damage

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recently I posted most of my findings on ME Swarm delays, is there something else that would be nice to check , test, or know about ?

fading lion Mar 8, 2021, 7:06 PM

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Does the IFG effect increase damage from DoTs to bugs inside it?

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It's something I've wondered many times and haven't gotten a hard answer before

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Related question would be, does the warden defense buff resist DoTs as well? Anecdotally burning and poison appear to go through it, but it's not something I've tested directly beyond "burning hell sure makes warded grunts a lot easier to kill"

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 7:13 PM

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IFG part can go on IFG page as soon as info is known, same for warden

fading lion Mar 8, 2021, 7:13 PM

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Mkay

tranquil hazel Mar 8, 2021, 7:30 PM

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is there any way to add icons or colors to the different damage types in order to make their existence more clear?

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I don't mind doing it if it's possible and there's not already someone working on it

glacial topaz Mar 8, 2021, 7:35 PM

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doesn't seem necessary

low hamlet Mar 9, 2021, 2:09 AM

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tranquil hazel is there any way to add icons or colors to the different damage types in order t...

that would be good

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we are also considering adding a damage types page similar to the one in the miners manual, which would pair well with your suggestion

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it would just consist of taking icons from game files using unmodel i think, then making the page and all the content besides the icons

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:17 AM

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that must be the 3rd or 4th time I hear about that, and still don't see how it would be any good, not counting the part where not all damage types have icons

kind epoch Mar 9, 2021, 6:21 AM

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so... what's the correct info ?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 6:28 AM

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The explanation section. The "Description" column is the exact in-game description which, as you've noticed, is not accurate. The links were added to try and highlight that fact.

kind epoch Mar 9, 2021, 6:36 AM

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ok, I'll precise it then

tranquil hazel Mar 9, 2021, 8:21 AM

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glacial topaz that must be the 3rd or 4th time I hear about that, and still don't see how it w...

Even without the icons, it would be nice to have a place to link the dmg types to

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So that people know, for example, that "explosive" is a type of damage

tranquil hazel Mar 9, 2021, 8:22 AM

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low hamlet we are also considering adding a damage types page similar to the one in the min...

sounds like a great idea :) hmu if I can help

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 10:12 AM

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About the creatures location that could use a double check:
Web Spitter are replaced by Frost Grunts in Glacial Strata
Q’ronar Shellback are banned in Salt Pits and Sandblasted Corridors
Korlok Tyrant-Weed are banned in Point Extraction Missions
Glyphid Brood Nexus are replaced by nothing in Glacial Strata (not sure why they didn’t use the ban option here)

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 10:14 AM

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no web spitters i suppose makes sense, there's already so much slow effects in glacial

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 12:26 PM

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I get the part of people knowing there is explosive type, but you already can tell that if you just go to the equip page, most damage , if not all already say which type they are
and if anyone is gonna check the wiki I think they are more likely to look at the equipment page than a generic damage type page,

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 12:50 PM

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i think a damage types page would be useful

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we can build it up and see how it looks

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 12:51 PM

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useful to what

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 12:57 PM

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to refer to for better understanding of the range of damage types etc. we have much of the info and there are people interested in it. I don't see a problem in starting creation of the page? Pog, Turtle, let me know if you want help. I'll have some time on my hands friday.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 1:04 PM

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people seeing there is a lot of damage types, how is that going to help them understand anything, if they want to know about things resisting types, that can just appear on creature pages, or even on the weapons page. Even if a few people are interested, they still weren't able to give a good reason, or even say what will it even have to be interesting

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 1:11 PM

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I disagree. I think that having all damage types in one area to refer to would be useful and interesting.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 1:13 PM

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well, yes, but techcnially it would be nice to know why / how it is useful

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what can only be explained in there that can not simply be on other existing articles, even saying what the thing will even have exactly, that is not just "a list of damage types with symbols" could show something interesting

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 1:24 PM

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we will start it and flesh it out and see what it looks like. no harm.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 1:27 PM

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would rather know exactly what it will have so people don't go later "oh hey, there is nothing to post, why did we even start it"

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a general damage page would most likely be more useful, listing how damage works, the formula, what boosts it, and more

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 1:41 PM

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The only use I see for it would be the disambiguation of fire/frost vs heat/cold damage and maybe list the sources of resistances to that damage type if any.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 1:43 PM

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fire/frost heat/cold would be temperature page, no ? but could be fine as a section on a general page

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 1:44 PM

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A temperature page would have no need to mention fire and frost, but it could work as well.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 1:55 PM

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A general page would much more informative for sure

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Than simply a damage types page.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:01 PM

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first section, explains how things have HP, and that damage diminishes that HP, until it reaches 0, also explaining how hazard level affect the damage, and not HP, further more, how different resistances (warden, veteran depositor, etc) affect it, as well as boosts (IFG, freeze),
on another section, you list the damage types and the sources, as well what resists it, a table maybe, also explain how to calculate damage vs something that is weak or resistant to something

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 2:03 PM

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Can link to health page for more info etc.

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Would we include area damage page within it? Or link to it?

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:05 PM

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area is too long to be just copy pasted, just link to it , but adding the aoe damage type would be fine, since 1 (one) thing resists it

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"other than having a type, damage can be AoE or single target, AoE damage is resisted by [[Hiveguard crystals]] , for more information on how AoE damage is calculated, check [[Area dmg page]]" stuff like that

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 2:28 PM

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also damage over time sources

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do any creatures resist DOT as a type?

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:38 PM

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that is important on what is boosted and not, so damage can be kinetic, fire, internal , etc AND DoT, AoE, and ST, from what I can tell

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 2:39 PM

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yeah that makes sense

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so damage types (DOT, AOE, ST)

damage elements (fire, normal, disintegration)

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like that?

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:41 PM

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not sure on names, but I guess so

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 2:42 PM

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or "Categories" instead of "Types"

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and then can use "Types" instead of "Elements"

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as they do call out "elemental damage" as a sub type of damage in Elemental Resistance perk

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 2:51 PM

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I think I already have a list of damage type and matching resistances, with in game name, matching wiki name and a very short description (more like a reminder of what it is).
I will post it when I am back home.
Not sure about the names either, I am used to call fire, kinetic and such type, but their name in the files is DamageClass.
About what you call type, there is also Cloud or Aura and Spray which are variations I would say (basically a dot in a Sphere or Cone shape like praet gaz cloud, praet poison spit, radiation aura…).

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 2:52 PM

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Zone / Region ?

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 2:58 PM

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ah perfect

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sticking to "in-game" names would probably be best if it's available,
and then "in-files" names if it's not mentioned directly in-game.

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:07 PM

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That would be ideal if the game were consistent between the two. Unfortunately it isn't in the case of fire/ice.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:08 PM

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yeah they are inconsistent on some of their in game tooltips and descriptions aren't they?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:08 PM

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iirc, "Burn" isn't mentioned anywhere, but is often referred to as Fire

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Like Subata's Volatile Bullets

Bonus fire damage to burning targets.
Except that bonus damage is actually "Burn"

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:11 PM

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we can go with Fire (aka burn, ignited, etc)

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:12 PM

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That's the current standard in the wiki

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:12 PM

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grand

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:13 PM

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Behind the scenes -> Wiki
Burn -> Fire
Heat -> Heat
Fire -> Fire+Heat

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 3:15 PM

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wait, so CRSPR actually heats stuff more than the heat value ?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:17 PM

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No, its Burn and Heat are defined separately.

glacial topaz Mar 9, 2021, 3:18 PM

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says Fire damage on the wiki, and from what you saidf Fire, is Fire + heat, meaning it also heats,

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:19 PM

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fixed my message to be more clear

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:22 PM

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the "Fire - > Fire + Heat" comment is the one that's confusing me a bit

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ok i get it now

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behind the scenes = in code/files

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wiki = the name that we/sometimes the community use

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right?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 3:26 PM

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Yes

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For the trio of fire related types this is done to reduce confusion on what does and doesn't apply heat.

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Instead of assuming the reader would know about all three and that "Fire" actually means "damage+heat"

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afaik, nothing has "heat resistance" beyond just having higher ignite/douse/cooling temperatures

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:47 PM

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yeah, i like that the Karl.gg has removed all instances of "Heat Damage" and replaced with just "heat"

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less confusion, as you said, Heat is not a damage type

weary sonnet Mar 9, 2021, 3:54 PM

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Well the thing is heat is a damage type, it just doesn’t affect health directly.

gusty bridge Mar 9, 2021, 3:56 PM

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haha fair

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effects Temperature rather than health. I'd say we can probably prevent confusion by avoiding calling it damage though right?

austere fossil Mar 9, 2021, 4:08 PM

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Actually, that makes me wonder if IFGs increase heat damage as well...