I guess it'd be better to remove it then
#wiki-related-chatroom
sand lantern
Like, either we make it useful or we delete it entirely. Since there's noone to update current ru wiki we can't expect it to update itself
steep blaze
The thing is the gamepedia staff wont create a subdomain for the russian wiki unless it reaches a certain number of pages and, of course, somehow compromises a few people to get it to be completed overtime. If Bebe would be updating the wiki from time to time, that should cover the maintenance part for when its created. Yet to request it, it should at least contain all the main pages in the main screen fully translated, that is:
Space Rig, Equipment, Missions, Hoxxes, Creatures, Resources, Perks, Accessories, How to Play, System Requirements, Update History, Game Support, Driller, Engineer, Gunner, Scout, Assignments, Promotions, Deep Dives, Overclocks
With those fully translated, the migration should be favorable. That's what I was requested when I created the Spanish one.
They wont just spend the time to do that migration, which takes some time and resources, for a few pages of a wiki which might not grow significantly from its starting pages.
In fact, here are the guidelines to do so, if you want to read them step by step: https://help.gamepedia.com/Translation_guidelines#English
sand lantern
The thing is the gamepedia staff wont create a subdomain for the russian wiki un...
Nah, I have enough of translations to do
analog rock
Wasn't that bugged ? With only single damage ?
formal flax
What are the percentage chances of a bulk crassus detonator spawning at each hazard level?
it isn't on the wiki
signal meadow
I think it's 3% on every haz level
Haz 1 may have lower chance, but I may be confusing that with events or crates or something
Or is it 6%? Wiki wizards will clarify
sand lantern
6%, probably 3% on haz 1-2
signal meadow
Sounds about right
weary sonnet
6% for every hazard for the crassus, there is no more a different spawn rate for low hazard.
signal meadow
nice
gusty bridge
is there any spawn rate of anything that's effected by hazard level?
weary sonnet
Yes, for oppressor, since it is a chance for a preat to transfrom into an oppressor based on hazard level.
Not sure where Cyrob found that one though or if Slasher/Guards and the new macteras use something similar or not.
analog rock
Not sure where Cyrob found that one though or if Slasher/Guards and the new mact...
Can confirm veteran versions use the same system.
weary sonnet
Ok, found it, it is the veteran variable property for the hazard level.
This is the JWP for haz5
"Veterans": {
"Normal": {
"Intervals": [
{
"Weight": 3.0,
"Range": {
"Min": 0.0,
"Max": 0.0
}
},
{
"Weight": 9.0,
"Range": {
"Min": 0.15,
"Max": 0.3
}
},
{
"Weight": 2.0,
"Range": {
"Min": 0.4,
"Max": 0.6
}
},
{
"Weight": 0.5,
"Range": {
"Min": 1.0,
"Max": 1.0
}
}
]
},
"Large": {
"Intervals": [
{
"Weight": 1.0,
"Range": {
"Min": 0.175,
"Max": 0.175
}
}
]
}
},```For the minigun, I am pretty sure that each shot doesn’t do double damage.
analog rock
For the minigun, I am pretty sure that each shot doesn’t do double damage.
Could you check ? That would be a massive bug for the balancing effort.
weary sonnet
I just did, the minigun can’t one shot a swarmer, now I just need to check the base damage in the files.
It was on live, it isn’t supposed to have changed on exp right?
signal meadow
nope
weary sonnet
Well 10 damage in the files, so the damage isn’t doubled.
What changed is the RateOfFire (15) > 30 in game, the ShotCost (2) > Assumed to be 1 in game, but somehow the ClipSize is still defined at 2400 > 2400 in game
While for the zhukov clipsize and max ammo were halved as well.
sand lantern
Has disintegration damage always been cancelling praetorian death effect?
weary sonnet
Not sure but it is possible since it is a custom death effect.
But I think it wasn’t disabling it before since I recall dying from the poison cloud when praets were killed by SYiH.
analog rock
@high gull Following the exchange you had in the image linked bellow (was posted in #drg-gallery), see just above but it seems the damage is not doubled, so bug ?
high gull
<@!755331366975176775> Following the exchange you had in the image linked bellow...
Might be a bug - @coral oracle @loud star ?
coral oracle
Well, the actual in-game damage is correct. Any mismatch between that and the info in the equip terminal is an issue in the terminal.
glacial topaz
6% for every hazard for the crassus, there is no more a different spawn rate for...
isn't it 6% for korlok and BET-C , and 3% for Crassus ?
weary sonnet
Actually yes, it is 3% for crassus, Omega is right.
gusty bridge
i've noticed that when grabbed by a mactera grabber, if you pass by a zipline you can grab that and it will pull you out of their grip. is this true for cave leeches and sharks?
weary sonnet
No idea, but it should be easy to test, I will check that once I am done checking the last exp build files.
Doesn’t work for leech.
Works fine as host with a grabber.
Works with a trawler too.
@gusty bridge ^
P.S. the test was done on live.
gusty bridge
sweet thanks a ton!
too bad about leech, that would be a rare, but fun way to escape
i wonder, is there any other interactable object that could similarly save you? i doubt depositing in molly or the drop pod would do it. doubt building anything or refilling a turret would work either.
austere fossil
None of those are interactable while airborne, so definitely not.
bold plover
Wind tunnels save you from all.
gusty bridge
ooh, do fire jets make them drop you?
bold plover
Yes, even leeches.
austere fossil
Well, if the fire kills them it definitely should
bold plover
^
tranquil hazel
💱
gusty bridge
does ammo round up or down with overclocks? e.g. Fat boy gives 0.3 x ammo.
so does that 3.9 always round up? or down? or closest whole number?
austere fossil
In practice it rounds up to 4+1, which then gives 3 per resupply
gusty bridge
so 5 rounds total = 50% on resupply = 2.5 rounds up to 3. cool
i seem to remember 3 c4 only gets 1 per resupply though
sand lantern
Because C4 has no magazine
Well, that didn't sound confident, did it?
Lemme check this
1) Your total ammo is divided by 2 and rounded to lower (but always >=1)
2) Your magazine ammo is divided by 2 and rounded to lower (but always >=1)
C4: 3 ammo and no magazine. Then:
3/2=1.5 ---> 1
C4: 4 ammo and no magazine.
4/2=2```ah right
why doesn't it just add the magazine to the total and divide the sum by 2?
sand lantern
Borderline cases I suppose
sand lantern
Nah, (a+b)/2 is definitely easier
gusty bridge
but wait
sand lantern
Anyways, wrong channel to discuss opinions
gusty bridge
magazine div by 2 and rounded down (but always >=1) means magazine resupply should be
0/2 = na = less than 1 = becomes 1
right?
sand lantern
PGL had also had some issues with it in past
gusty bridge
what are the %chance effects on stun?
is there a stun resistance stat like fear resistance?
sand lantern
Stun has different chances to appear depending on source
IIRC in some builds GK2 has 30% stun chance if a bullet hits weakpoint, M1000 is 100% with T5 mod
gusty bridge
Ah ok. Does someone have all the % chances? We can make a table
gusty bridge
Thanks man
weary sonnet
is there a stun resistance stat like fear resistance?
It seems there is some kind of stun resistances for the creatures, in particular the hoarder doesn’t stay stunned for long, but so far we didn’t manage to find it or test it.
As for the source of stun, and their value, it is called stagger in the game’s files.
P.S. I just searched for it again and now it appears in the experimental files.
StaggerDurationMultiplier
gusty bridge
nice find
weary sonnet
StaggerDurationMultiplier:
Any variant will inherit its 'parent' so crassus should inherit bulk value.
Non mentioned creature should have a 1 multiplier.
Flea: 0
Flying Critter Base: 0
Hoarder: 0.05
Bomber: 0.5
Grabber: 0
Mactera Spawn: 0.7
Naedocyte Breeder: 0
Nayaka Trawler: 0
Bulk: 0
Praets: 0.8
Any Ebonite Variants: 0
Oppressor: 0
Dread: 0
Spawns from the OG Dread: 0.8
Shellback: 0
Molly: 0
Flying Rocks: 0```Some creatures also have a StaggerImunityWindow (probably in seconds):
Naedocyte Breeder: 10
Grunt Guard: 2
Praets: 2
Ebonite Praets: 0 # To bypass the inheritance
Spawns from the OG Dread: 2```hmm is that immunity window upon spawn? or a delay between staggers?
indigo kindle
I'd assume it's the latter.
weary sonnet
Hum, I found a 0.5s stun on the zhukov, anyone know where it could be?
indigo kindle
It doesn't have StaggerChance to accompany, so I'd say it's unused atm.
weary sonnet
Nevermind, found it, it has 0% chance to proc indeed.
Ok, I think I have all sources of stuns.
Stagger Sources:
Default chance is 0%
Default duration is 1.5s
See You in Hell:
StaggerChance: 33%
StaggerDuration: 15s
Trapatactus:
StaggerChance: 100%
StaggerDuration: 4s
Deepcore GK2 on Weakpoint hit:
StaggerChance: 10%
StaggerDuration: 1.5
M1000 Classic:
StaggerChance: 100% # Focused Shot only with T5A
StaggerDuration: 3s
Warthog Auto 210:
StaggerChance: 10% # Per pellet
StaggerDuration: 3s
Cryo Cannon OC Ice Spear:
StaggerChance: 100%
StaggerDuration: 3s
Satchel Charge T4B Concussive Blast:
StaggerChance: 100%
StaggerDuration: 5s
Reinforced Power Drills:
StaggerChance: 25%
StaggerDuration: 1s
Lead Storm Powered Minigun:
StaggerChance: 30%
StaggerDuration: 1s
Impact Axe:
StaggerChance: 100%
StaggerDuration: 1.5s
Cluster Grenade:
StaggerChance: 50%
StaggerDuration: 1.5s
Pickaxe Power Attack:
StaggerChance: 50%
StaggerDuration: 1.5s
Bulldog Heavy Revolver:
StaggerChance: 50%
StaggerDuration: 1.5s
Jury-Rigged Boomstick:
StaggerChance: 30%
StaggerDuration: 2.5s
LMG Gun Platform with Turret Whip:
StaggerChance: 100%
StaggerDuration: 1.5s```m1000 classic - is that with focus shot only AND with T4A ?
weary sonnet
yes
indigo kindle
T5A is focus shot only. T4A is Super Blowthrough btw.
gusty bridge
meant t5a my bad
weary sonnet
Updated to add the T5A bit.
gusty bridge
and boomstick, is that per pellet? or 30% if hit by 1 or more pellets?
weary sonnet
idk actually, I know it is per pellet for the warthog because I caught a dev saying it at some point, but I am not sure for the boomstick.
I think it should be per pellet as well, but not sure.
I mean it stuns pretty much all the time if all pellets hits.
Did you even manage to not stun a praet with two shots? I don’t think it happened unless I almost missed the shot.
weary sonnet
Deepcore GK2 can reach 30% as well with a T5 mod
Not sure if you want to dupplicate it or not.
weary sonnet
I think I have all base stun sources here, but some mod may be missing yes.
gusty bridge
weary sonnet
I was wrong, warthog is only on weakpoint as well.
gusty bridge
adding to table
weary sonnet
StaggerOnlyOnWeakpointHit is true for deepcore gk2 and warthog only, I just rechecked in every file.
gusty bridge
nice
and minishells OC removes stun. I'll play with it and see if there's a clean looking table that covers it all
or if we jsut go with base table and list OC exceptions aside or something
deepcore PGL has 0% unless T4C?
indigo kindle
Yes, PGL cannot stun by default and requires T4C for a guaranteed stun afaik
Wait, BC has T4B which is a 100% stun for 3 sec, and it's missing from the list.
weary sonnet
PGL has a 3s stun duration, but a 0% stun chance by default.
And I missed the T4C then.
I am missing stunner as well I think for the subata.
indigo kindle
Tranquilizer Rounds is the name, 50% chance for a 6s stun
BRT has T5A. 100% chance of a stun if all bullets land on the target (doesn't have to hit a weakspot), 4 sec stun.
weary sonnet
The filter I used ignores OC/Upgrades sources.
gusty bridge
oh cool
weary sonnet
I will invert it to try to catch the one I missed.
gusty bridge
i'll keep adding in the exceptions as we find them
weary sonnet
Sentry T3B Stun
20% chance for a 1.5s stun.
indigo kindle
Minigun has a stun upgrade that increases the duration by 1 sec iirc.
weary sonnet
Boomstick T3A: +2.5s stun duration.
gusty bridge
lead storm OC removes stun from minigun
can ricochet rounds stun? blowthrough rounds?
weary sonnet
Ricochet and blowthrough rounds should be a copy of the base projectile.
gusty bridge
weary sonnet
Deepcore gk2 is +30% chance with T5C
gusty bridge
ok that seems to cover it
now for the duration modifiers
Flying Critter Base: 0 = non-hostile flyers right?
sand lantern
Mobula cave angel and hexawing gniffer
gusty bridge
floral drift
i'm very happy to see that modifier table, i've long speculated that Praetorians had ~25% stun duration reduction and Goo Bombers ~50%. looks like i was very close!
i didn't catch Mactera Spawn, though....
gusty bridge
all Ely's work, i'm just fitting it in tables
floral drift
Spawners (from Dread) = Glyphid Sentinels from U33?
weary sonnet
OG dread’s spawn.
weary sonnet
For the status immunity, I will try to retest everything or almost when U33 comes out.
If you want to add some status to the list let me know.
Currently there is:
On Fire, Freeze, Electrocution, Stun, Pheromone Aggro, L.U.R.E. Aggro, Fear and Courage value
analog rock
Is there anyone here that is going to (or already has) do a list of all the flora in azure weald ?
glacial topaz
not that I heard
weary sonnet
No plan for me either.
autumn flare
I'm working on some of the new enemies, I can add those to my list though
autumn flare
Tables for what
weary sonnet
For the individual creature pages, so health, attack tables and infobox.
autumn flare
Oh ok
I don't have any of the exact values for new enemies so so far I've just got some standins
low hamlet
Tables for what
biome features, whatever else
im not very good at doing collection of data, but i do decent at organizing it in an appealing manner
low hamlet
ugh gp
it's not letting me upload a changed version of an image because gp decided it's too close to original
sand lantern
Not much of a problem
I can do it later
Do we consider corpse feeder plant?
Technically it's not
floral drift
imo, not a plant. maggoty things
bold plover
They are considered wall maggots.
gusty bridge
planning to start a Stun page as it has similar complexity with immunities and resistances like Fear. I'll start with the tables etc from yesterday
gusty bridge
do we have the stagger duration & chance of the Grunt slasher?
and is the Steeve Slasher the same when hitting bugs?
weary sonnet
The grunt slasher attack isn’t a stun, it is actually a 50% slow for 1.5s.
sand lantern
Was it Meatshield who suggested calling enemy stun something else than stun?
weary sonnet
Not sure who it was tbh, but it is worth considering since most enemy stun are in reality 50 to 80% stacking slow.
gusty bridge
ok, but Steeve slasher, is that true Stun?
on bugs
or just a slow like the slasher "stun" normally is for dwarves
gusty bridge
planning to start a Stun page as it has similar complexity with immunities and r...
ok 1st draft of Stun page is up.
gusty bridge
is there an easier way to centre the text in a whole table other than putting
style="text-align:center"
in every cell?
austere fossil
Not sure exactly how the Wiki's stylings works, but you might check out CSS Grid
weary sonnet
You can put it in the table style, it should apply to the whole table then iirc.
glacial topaz
og dread page "The Sticky Flame Slowdown is a reliable method of slowing down the Dreadnought, and can be invaluable for keeping you and your teammates alive." still true, or should be changed / removed ?
gusty bridge
has the OG dread got some slowdown immunity now in U33?
indigo kindle
Sticky slow now slows by 30% instead of 50% if I correctly recall what Daga said during one of our discussions of this on Experimental. Might need additional testing to make sure.
glacial topaz
anyway, feel free to test
gusty bridge
ah boo, that was the best thing about a sticky build.
weary sonnet
No changes for the slow value in the files.
Ah, but it is now affected by resistances, it wasn’t so far and it is a huge change if it is true.
glacial topaz
"Fixed sticky flames slowdown ignoring his resistances and slowing the Dreadnought to a crawl"
gusty bridge
so there's slow resistance now (or always was)
weary sonnet
Comparing U33H0 to U32H10
gusty bridge
might be time to do a slow and slow resistance data gathering.
what sources of slow do we have?
- Sticky flames
- IFG
- Sticky Goo
- Snow
- Grunt Slasher
- Naedocyte Shocker
- Heavy Items (Pearl, Aquarq, etc)
- Heavy weapons / Equipment (Autocannon, Drills, etc)
- Neurotoxin
- Electrocution
Dwarf Slow Resistance/Immunity:
- Dash: I
- Unstoppable: R
indigo kindle
Neurotoxin
indigo kindle
Dash gives you slow immunity; Unstoppable gives you slow reduction
gusty bridge
or do we want to go for "Movement Speed" rather than just "Slow"
cover speed boosts like Sugar Rush etc
austere fossil
There's quite a few, Scout has 3 in just his equipment/weapons (excluding Special Powder).
Oh, there's also Hoverclock though that feels like a special case.
Since these are altering "Running Speed" and not "Airborne speed"
gusty bridge
well i'd say those would be "mobility" more than movement speed scaling effects
yeah
weary sonnet
All values are multiplicative
Default is ×1
Mactera Frost Bomber Frost Barrage / Death: 0.35
Mactera Goo Bomber Goo Barrage / Death: 0.3
Web Spitter Web: 0.5
Frost Glyphid Praetorian Death Cloud: 0.5
Frost Glyphid Praetorian Frost Spray: 0.5
gusty bridge
can they stack? i.e. if i'm webbed and goo'd?
weary sonnet
Yes
The only thing I am not sure is if the same type can stack or not.
Like two webs and such.
gusty bridge
my guess it it would just refresh the duration
weary sonnet
More goo / ice will only extend the coverage.
But like several webs/slashers/jellyfish I am not sure.
gusty bridge
cool
weary sonnet
Snowstorm: 0.8
Quake: 0.5
Sandstorm: 0.8
Deepsnow: 0.95
StyckyGoo: 0.3
GooPlant?: 0.3
Ambiant Web: 0.5
Weapon induced slow are missing I think.
austere fossil
What's the threshold for disabling Sprint? Is it 0.95 or less?
austere fossil
Is Unstoppable additive, then?
gusty bridge
is sprint re-enabled by some speed boosting effects? or it just so happens they push speed above 1.0?
weary sonnet
Yes, unstoppable uses PST_MovementSpeedPenaltyReduction which is additive
While all the slow use PST_MovementSpeedPenalty which is multiplicative
austere fossil
So max Unstoppable should fully negate webs and quakes, right?
weary sonnet
PST_MovementSpeedPenaltyReduction: # Dash, IronWill, Unstoppable
Additive
Stating value = 0
PST_MovementSpeedPenalty: # Slow Effects
Multiplicative
Stating value = 1
PST_MovementSpeed: # Most Speed buffs and some status effect debuff
Multiplicative
Stating value = 1```Checking
If the value is really 50 it should I think.
This stat is marked as being additive in the game’s files and yet was said by the dev to be in % iirc.
I mean they said it would remove half of the penalty.
So for a ×0.5 slow, you would reach ×0.75 speed, which makes no sense for an additive stat.
austere fossil
Yeah, and I'm pretty sure Unstoppable doesn't fully negate half the slows in the game.
weary sonnet
I think I got it looking at how dash was codded.
They made it an additive stat, that stack with itself, but it is not a speed stat, it start at 0 and end up at 100 and represent only the penalty you get when you are slowed.
austere fossil
Ah, so it's additive to the "penalty reduction" stat
weary sonnet
So it is as the name said a penalty reduction stat.
At 0 it doesn’t do anything
At 100 it exactly remove any movement penalty applied.
austere fossil
So Dash/IW have 100 for PST_MovementSpeedPenaltyReduction, then?
weary sonnet
Dash is at 100, Iron will at 0.3, Unstoppable at 50
No idea why iron will is so low.
autumn flare
Tri-Jaw page created, needs proper images and stats
glacial topaz
it is "its" for possessive, not "it’s"
also why is it using the spawn values / images ?
even the attack image is of the spawn, if you are going to make a page, leave the spaces empty, doesn't seem like a good idea to use things from other creatures
austere fossil
From Elyth in another discord
Mactera Brundle
MaxHealth: 600
EnemyHealthScaliing: SmallEnemy # Same than Mactera Spawn / Grunts
Courage: 0
Resistances:
Explosion: -100%
Melee: -100%
Fire: -100%
Electricity: -50%
Armor:
2 heavy armor plates on the abdomen with 80 Health
Weakpoint:
Location: Abdomen
Proctected by heavy armor
Inate multiplier: ×3
Temperature:
UpdateTime: 1
TemperatureChangeScale: 1
BurnTemperature: 35
DouseFireTemperature: 5
CoolingRate: 10
IsHeatSourceWhenOnFire: True
OnFireHeatRange: 150
FreezeTemperature: -200
UnFreezeTemperature: 999999
WarmingRate: 40
MaxColdSlowdown: 0.25
WarmingCooldown: 1
that is for Brundle
autumn flare
Good to know, thanks
glacial topaz
does it really not have no weakness or resistances ?
autumn flare
That's what it said in the manual entry
I'm aware it's probably changed so I'm going back to normal branch to find it again
austere fossil
Resistances:
Explosion: -100%
Melee: -100%
Fire: -100%
Electricity: -50%
glacial topaz
weakpoint ?
indigo kindle
x3, same as Mactera Spawn but protected by armor plates
indigo kindle
It should be x3 based on testing I did on Experimental.
glacial topaz
awesome
topaz mist
Thats great info
floral drift
Was it Meatshield who suggested calling enemy stun something else than stun?
yes, 'twas the madman myself.
glacial topaz
actually, those pages should have the stub tag, so will add that
topaz mist
So brundles get one-shot exactly by snowballs?
glacial topaz
how do the manual call the twins ? might be better to make a page using that name, and include the arbaalest and lacerator in it
autumn flare
I'm working on it right now, page called "Glyphid Dreadnought Twins"
floral drift
what is the base speed in m/s?
Dwarves walk at 3 m/sec, sprint at 4.35 m/sec last time i checked.
floral drift
how do the manual call the twins ? might be better to make a page using that nam...
Bestiary entry "Deadnought Twins"
austere fossil
So brundles get one-shot exactly by snowballs?
If hit by the center 2m radius, yes, they should
glacial topaz
well, you might as well add the HP already, 4500
weary sonnet
Mactera Trijaw
MaxHealth: 350
EnemyHealthScaling: SmallEnemy # Same than Mactera Spawn / Grunts
Courage: 0
Resistances:
Explosion: -100%
Melee: -100%
Fire: -100%
Electricity: -50%
Weakpoint:
Location: Abdomen
Inate multiplier: ×3
Temperature:
UpdateTime: 1
TemperatureChangeScale: 1
BurnTemperature: 35
DouseFireTemperature: 5
CoolingRate: 10
IsHeatSourceWhenOnFire: True
OnFireHeatRange: 150
FreezeTemperature: -100
UnFreezeTemperature: 999999
WarmingRate: 40
MaxColdSlowdown: 0.25
WarmingCooldown: 1```so a copy of the parent, but different HP, all correct
weary sonnet
Mostly, a lot of its stats are inherited from the mactera spawn.
Stat wise I don’t think there is any difference other than the health and maybe aggro distance.
autumn flare
How did you obtain the stats?
glacial topaz
:S
autumn flare
I left the stats blank till they are confirmed
glacial topaz
just remove them
weary sonnet
How did you obtain the stats?
Depend, in game test for the weakpoint multiplier, from an in game console and command line for most of the rest and searching through the extracted game’s files to know which commands to use and find the rest of the data.
low hamlet
ok i commented it out until it's finished 👍
glacial topaz
ree "Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it"
autumn flare
Attacks removed for now
low hamlet
ree "Someone else has changed this page since you started editing it"
that may have been me. i apologize
glacial topaz
also last I heard this is wrong, isn't it ? "They have a ⅓ chance of spawning together from a cocoon"
and aren't we going to use 2/ two tables for each of them ? doesn't seem good to group it all on 1 template as if they all had the same attacks
autumn flare
I don't understand
low hamlet
they should be two different tables for attacks
but if there's matching data, they should be the same
im going to create redirects for each name of twins from the game since people will probably look that up instead of twins
i have 164 notifications lol
glacial topaz
I will show what I mean later, could be just like it is for praetorians variants, or just split the article into 2 parts
weary sonnet
With how complex the dreads are now, I think we could split the creature page in several sub section if needed, one for each dread variant and its related spawns.
glacial topaz
keep it more organized
weary sonnet
Would something like this works?
- OG Dread
- Arbalest and Lacerator
- Hiveguard and his spawns
sand lantern
Oripricot(OrganicRubble_Pink)
Orchey Shy(Orkide)
Comba Charm(CombaCharm)
Nectar Rind(Nenup)
Umbra Seeker(UmbraSeeker)
Callow Seeder(CallowSeeder)
Void Basket(VoidBasket)
Gurken Shuck(GurkenShuck)
Pulsa Stickpod(StickPod_Teal)
Bloopy Fruit - TESTING
Wall Azaph (unsure)
Hollow Bough:
Thorn pot(RedThornFlower)
Cave Lichen - TESTING
Goo Sack(ExplodingGooPlant)
Creeper Vine(CreeperVine)
Corpse Feeder(WallMaggot) (?)
Bloated Vine (ThornBranch)
Stabber Vine (StabberVine) (Do we count it?)```let me know when you guys are done editing that page, twins
it is "its" for possessive, not "it's"
glacial topaz
you still can't get the same dread type twice in a row, right ?
floral drift
as far as i know, yes. after running at least 15 3/3 Elims in XP i never got the same variant twice in a row
you can get the same variant on 1st and 3rd cocoons, but never in a row
trim plover
hey, i was looking at the deep dive page and under the difficulty section, the hazard scaling for normal deep dives is listed as 3, 3.5, 3.5.
does haz 3.5 actually repeat twice or is that a typo. a friend of mine swears that it should be 3, 3.5, 4 and it doesn't quite make sense for the latter 2 stages to be the same difficulty
glacial topaz
it is 3.5 twice
trim plover
oh. well, nevermind then
low hamlet
all 3 dread types can appear in dread swarms, correct?
glacial topaz
I remember seeing something about that, but don't remember what it was, so easier if someone else points it out
low hamlet
im pretty sure they all can
and it's a 1/3 chance for each type to spawn when you break a cocoon?
glacial topaz
well, just need someone that actully had them appear in game
and you can't get the same dread from cocoons in a row, so 1/3 is only for the first one
low hamlet
in a row meaning at all?
glacial topaz
1st and 3rd eggs can be the same dread
but not 1st and 2nd, or, 2nd and 3rd
glacial topaz
the missions didn't got updated, right ? gotta add their changes, salvage, escort, elimination
low hamlet
and i just confirmed that the lacerator slams when burrowing up, not down
not sure
going to want to slim down that intro, but pretty good
autumn flare
Are we going to refer to them as one entity like "it" or talk about both of them like "they"
low hamlet
they because it is two
autumn flare
Alright then I'll fix up some of the "it" occurences
low hamlet
👍
glacial topaz
also, better to add the odds of getting them on the next cocoons, that way it might sound they can never spawn on the 2nd or 3rd ones
autumn flare
Yeah so just add that they will not spawn on the second broken one
Which means on the 3rd they have a roughly 1/2 chance to spawn if broken as the 1st, considering the previous Dread won't be able to spawn
glacial topaz
they will spawn on the second egg, as long as the first didn't spawn them
autumn flare
If they don't spawn on the first it's a 1/2 chance for the second, yes
autumn flare
I'm working on that right now
low hamlet
awesome
autumn flare
I have not encountered the Brundle yet though
low hamlet
hm
glacial topaz
why do you need to encounter them
autumn flare
As in I'm unable to write on them, no entry yet
glacial topaz
what do you need from the entry, you can ask here
autumn flare
Basic stuff like weaknesses, weakpoints, attacks, abilities
And the in game description
I'm assuming they have a similar AI to the Mactera Spawn
glacial topaz
it doesn't even tell the values of the weakness, or weakpoint multipliers
austere fossil
Brundle stats #wiki-related-chatroom message
autumn flare
Yeah just remembered, although can someone screencap the desc
low hamlet
aquarqs emit a low hum sound now
floral drift
do Minimule legs hum too?
viral geyser
What is this?
glacial topaz
last I heard those give a status that reduce damage taken for every Dwarf and creature by 50%
floral drift
Also lasts for 15 sec after leaving them
low hamlet
it's fairly rare as well
that will all go into the biome features table once we collect all the features
viral geyser
well, its pretty
radiant edge
Considering how decent that effect is, its rarity is somewhat warranted lol
worldly pier
What is this?
iirc that is the new Error Object
It's named like.. P{{{{{O}}}}}Q or somethin'
acoustic scarab
poqplant
low hamlet
It's named like.. P{{{{{O}}}}}Q or somethin'
yup
i got a screenshot of the exact name yesterday
acoustic scarab
Has Dystrum always been able to spawn in on-site refinery missions?
glacial topaz
undo ? or
weary sonnet
undo or change to something like 'the glyphid dreadnought and his variants…' for the second sentence.
glacial topaz
well, that needs context.
it is the page with all dread variants, a disambiguation page
"it CAN be encounted as a boss" ?
or "might me"
weary sonnet
I would go for the first.
For the OG dread, we could add that it can be amoung the random swarm as well, it can only be him still right?
glacial topaz
I still don't know for sure
weary sonnet
I will check, it should be in the dread wave file.
Looks like it was extended to all of them.
The wave controller file for the spider boss now contain the route for all dreads.
acoustic scarab
I think giving every variant a "Dreadnought X" prefix is doing a disservice to the OG dread
I think the boss creatures should be called
- Glyphid Dreadnought
- Glyphid Hiveguard
- Glyphid Lacerator
- Glyphid Arbalest
How to refer to Lacerator & Arbalest together, I'm not yet sure
glacial topaz
I don't think we should be creating names
acoustic scarab
I agree. Are we creating names?
I assumed this is how they are called in-game
Of course, if they are in the Miner's Manual, we should just pull names from it
glacial topaz
manual / dialogue
weary sonnet
From crowdin:
It is the same for Hiveguard, the prefix is used, except is some shout.
acoustic scarab
Aw, well that's kind of stupid. If we have a Dreadnought Arbalest and a Dreadnought Hiveguard, that makes the original boss a Dreadnought Nothing
But canon is canon.
low hamlet
well, how is this now
yeah that's just a start
low hamlet
does anyone have the stats for the hiveguard?
glacial topaz
any source / confirmation this is even correct ?
weary sonnet
I didn’t dig dread data up yet.
floral drift
Aw, well that's kind of stupid. If we have a Dreadnought Arbalest and a Dreadnou...
to be fair, this precedent has been set for a long time. Glyphid Grunt, Glyphid Grunt Guard, Glyphid Grunt Slasher
low hamlet
any source / confirmation this is even correct ?
that was just a grammar change
glacial topaz
don't want it to be changed to a wrong version, even if it is jsut grammar change we should still use the correct version
low hamlet
?
glacial topaz
you said it was a grammar change, I don't want we to make grammar changes that are wrong
low hamlet
it's correct
"The Glyphid Dreadnought Twins are a pair....." vs "The Glyphid Dreadnought Twins is a pair....."
since it's plural it would be are instead of is
glacial topaz
I am not sure about that, which is why I was looking for some place with the rules
and I will create the hiveguard page with the stats
just not sure where to fit the different hps
seems to be 200 for the 3 points (unsure about scaling), 5000 for the boss HP, and most likely at a first glance, same burn / freeze temperature as OG dread
and for Sentinels, 450 HP, large enemy, well, when I get back I will check for the other values, and check with Ely the parts I am unsure, such as the 200 hp points damage scaling, wonder if it is fixed, or
autumn flare
It's "are"
Anyways I see the Hivegaurd page was created so I'll just implement my writing with some pictures
autumn flare
Oh damn just realized the tri jaw image is really low quality, give me a second to remake it
autumn flare
I'm going to add one in a bit yeah
So I'm not sure if I missed a discussion but what are we going to do about the hivegaurd sentinels?
Sub section or their own page?
low hamlet
sub section
idk if we had a discussion about it or not, but it shouldnt be its own page
autumn flare
Oh ok
We should make a redirect to the Hive Dreadnought then with the sentinel
Perhaps also list it as a redirect on the creatures page
glacial topaz
you guys forgot about "its" again
:S why the Mactera Brundle image was named "Brundle" and not "Mactera Brundle"
anyone able to fix that ?
autumn flare
I'll update it
My bad
Ok I request a deletion for the old images without the "Mactera" part
low hamlet
you can just move them in the future
autumn flare
I changed the images on the pages to the new ones
But the old ones are just taking clutter on the wiki I presume
low hamlet
so you uploaded new ones under a new name instead of renaming old ones?
autumn flare
It doesn't allow me to rename the old ones
low hamlet
that'll be fine. an admin can delete the old ones
autumn flare
Only moderators can rename/delete them
low hamlet
im able to rename them since im autopatrol
autumn flare
Ok thanks
low hamlet
ping me if you need anything renamed :)
autumn flare
Are you able to delete or no?
autumn flare
Hmm alright
If you told me sooner I guess I wouldn't have uploaded new ones, but it's ok
low hamlet
yep, it's fine :)
what is the brundles' armour like?
Light/Light and Heavy/Medium/Medium2/Heavy/Unbreakable
is it unbreakable?
glacial topaz
From Elyth in another discord
Mactera Brundle
```yaml
MaxHealth: 600
EnemyHealth...
here
glacial topaz
how it looks ? if else, just make sure the info is correct
glacial topaz
**Mactera Trijaw**
```yml
MaxHealth: 350
EnemyHealthScaling: SmallEnemy # Same t...
here
low hamlet
thank you
glacial topaz
didn't I include everything already on the wiki ?
autumn flare
Tri-Jaw has all stats inputted
glacial topaz
so just like the mactera spawn attack , but 3 shots?
low hamlet
basically, yes
glacial topaz
any damage from the projectile before it explodes ?
low hamlet
so we need to add the deeptora bough wasp nest, the cave angel, the gniffer, and the two dreads to the creatures page
glacial topaz
well, I didn't have much luck finding all of the stats for those creatures
glacial topaz
attack added
glacial topaz
probably, but I think it doesn't do anything special, so not sure what changes
austere fossil
If it doesn't do anything like the fungus and magma core variants, is it even a variant?
glacial topaz
different color ? name ?
radiant edge
Yea I'm pretty sure they added a new variant, but no special effects by the looks of it
low hamlet
it's something that can be mentioned on the maggot page
low hamlet
ill do some work and try to wrap up the creatures page tomorrow. as well as fleshing out the hiveguard page if need be
and ill put in something about the maggot variants either on the biome pages or the maggot page
thinking about it now, they would go well here:
just add a "these creatures are unique to the biome"
autumn flare
Yeah I have time today to finish up the rest of the new content
I'll be specializing in the new biome flora for now
Has anyone been able to confirm what the light blue pillar ring does?
I heard it gave like damage resistance but didn't seem to happen
low hamlet
-50% damage resistance iirc
radiant edge
I wanna see if I can stack it with veteran depositor and autocannon's damage resistance
Become near invincible
indigo kindle
Become near invincible
If it's additive, you will actually become invincible because the latter two grant 30% and 33% at max RoF respectively.
bold plover
50% damage reduction for 15s for both enemies and players from the POQ.
30% speed boost for enemies and players for 15s from the well, also low grav for players.
Afaik it does not stack with the above upgrades or something like that.
weary sonnet
The cristal buff is multiplicative and should stack fully with other defense buff since it use PST_DamageResistance.
glacial topaz
? ?
lyric tide
oh that
the name "brundle" is a reference to the movie "the fly". It's nothing more than a reference really, but it has some consequences (like despair in the translator community)
glacial topaz
how do stabber vines attack work ? if anyone ever let themselves be attacked by one of them to tell me
and do they even have HP bars ?
low hamlet
they do. like other creatures
and they kind of rear back and then stab straight out at you
ill get some footage rn
glacial topaz
for Lacerator is the attack called "Rock Waves" or "Rock Wave" ?
bold plover
Stabber vines are considered enemies btw, not just landscape.
analog rock
<@&296918282403840000> thx
glacial topaz
@cursive turret here
cursive turret
The weakness from explosions for Mactera Tri-Jaw missing here
we have it here
glacial topaz
noted
cursive turret
👍
glacial topaz
@low hamlet it is "ExplosiveRes" , not "ExplosionRes" btw
fixed
low hamlet
why is this page called fleas?
it should be fester flea
well, time to correct that
glacial topaz
"Mobula Cave Angle" hue
low hamlet
someone needs to delete that redirect so i can move fleas to it
low hamlet
"Mobula Cave Angle" hue
lol
glacial topaz
interesting that the about and behavior of hexawing is almost the same thing
low hamlet
yeah
it needs more content
could just remove the bit about its behavior in the about to avoid redundancy
glacial topaz
well, you guys gonna have to do that one, most I can do is add the HP
well, as soon as I discover it
glacial topaz
with what ? might do it tonight
autumn flare
“Rock Wave”
The stabber vines are also practically instantaneous, they will hit you if you are in range
glacial topaz
Can I get which attacks dont appear on miner's manual, that are used by the new creatures ? Like bites or slashes
floral drift
The stabber vines are also practically instantaneous, they will hit you if you a...
on XP i found a good trick to dodging the Stabber Vine's attack: as soon as you hear the noise of it aggro'ing on you, stare at the vine about to attack and then strafe one direction, either left or right. i was able to pretty consistently dodge the attack by holding strafe; it seems to target where you are, and then lunge very quickly. you have to dodge between when it locks onto your current position and when it lunges, and i found the easiest way to do that is just one long strafe
autumn flare
It’s not that simple always, yesterday my friend claimed he was moving at max speed forward (strafing) and it hit him
bold plover
It is that simple. I spawned a bunch and walked in a circle around them at various distances and they always missed.
Issue was he was going forward. They will stretch to any distance to you from their origin once you enter their range. For example you can make one aggro and use special powder to fly across a room and they will reach for you (and likely miss since you fall).
manic ridge
Not sure if this is where to post this, but does anyone have a full list of all the vegetation? Didnt see one on the wiki and was hoping to make some dnd plant equivalents..
glacial topaz
If you mean biome features for hollow bough and azure weald that is being worked on, as well as other things from that update
manic ridge
Ah okay
I guess I'll keep check every now and then to see when its done. Thanks so much!
glacial topaz
I recommend taking screenshots in game for personal reference while wiki squad works on that, there is a lot to be done on the wiki
manic ridge
Oh good idea!
glacial topaz
thoughts on this addition ? https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Mutators?curid=1566&diff=22068&oldid=21385
if not even the DRG company knows if the thing is a plant or animal, why are we even going to call it only flora ?
bold plover
It's considered an enemy internally.
I'd probably use "especially for extraction sequences."
Or escape since that can be confused with PE
autumn flare
It’s more or less the same classification as the spitballer
But more plant like
So word it how you please, the right word might not be flora
floral drift
flora + fauna = "flouna"?
autumn flare
Faura lol
Are there any other upgrades to current content we still need to add?
Aka the new mule animation
glacial topaz
"Flora, fauna, and other forms of life, such as fungi, are collectively referred to as biota"
autumn flare
We could just say "biological organism"
glacial topaz
I just used "life", even if biota sounds super cool
autumn flare
Yeah doesn't need to be super wordy, that works
Have we gotten any of the health values for the new passive creatures?
So far I've observed both the cave angel and hexawing have roughly 120-125 health
Hexawing actually might have more like 80
glacial topaz
well, they probably have same hp on all hazards, so if you can give me a good guess it might help to find the actual values, think 80 is the default hp, so might make sense for it to have 80
autumn flare
Yeah I've tested and cave angle takes 5 pickaxe hits
glacial topaz
would think shooting would be easier to keep track of
autumn flare
I can test a couple guns, but why is pickaxe not as reliable?
glacial topaz
you know what, tomorrow I will just load the game and get the values, might as well, check other things
so you guys can focus on other things
autumn flare
How do you plan to do that
If I know some sort of method I could go in and do it really soon
glacial topaz
nah
autumn flare
Ok...
indigo kindle
I took a quick glance through the ENE files for Gniffer and the Cave Angel. Turns out they don't have their HP values defined in the files, so I'd assume it uses the default 80.
autumn flare
For Cave Angel as well?
indigo kindle
Yes. I have to assume that GliderBeast and Butterfly are those two in the game files (FSD/Content/Critters) because I haven't seen them in U32.
bold plover
Cave Angel has 100 health, does not scale off of hazard.
indigo kindle
Tested on Haz 4. Gniffers get 1-shot by 80 damage Bulldog. Cave Angels don't, but it takes 2 more pickaxe attacks.
radiant edge
Quick question about the stabber vines
Is that 300 HP per vine or shared between all 3
signal meadow
Based on how many bullets it takes to kill one, I'm pretty sure it's per individual vine
sleek jackal
Seems I've been misunderstanding the Autocannon's RoF scaling, I was always under the assumption it was +0.3 per sec but looks like I was way off with that (I should've just tested it in practice from the beginning I guess) and it's actually scaled x0.3 (default) per shot? Is that right?
Anyway, I'd like to point out that there is no actual clarification in regard to that on the wiki (apart from maybe through the advanced math RoF formula which I don't really understand - at all) and suggest it be altered to simply explain under Rate Of Fire Scaling that the scaling value is a multiplier and is applied per shot (or however it is applied if I'm still wrong).
radiant edge
I believe the formula in the wiki is pretty much how it’s handled in the game’s code
But if you’re looking for a more convenient understanding, I have a list that tells you how many consecutive shots it takes to reach max RoF for each potential mod combination
sleek jackal
Thanks though we've pretty much figured it down to:
Starting RoF + (RoF Scaling * Shots Fired) = Current RoF.
to put it in simpler terms.
But more just pointing out that - if correct (which I assume so since it all adds up right) that the wiki could probably explain how the scaling works a little clearer. More to the point, explain that RoF increases by +0.3 'per shot' to save on any confusion.
All the wiki says in regards to the scaling is "The Autocannon's initial rate of fire continues to be scaled until the top rate of fire has been reached" there's no actual mention of that being per shot, per second, multiplied - whatever (pretty sure it's additive per shot though).
sand lantern
Meat Morning once told me RoF updates once per half second
glacial topaz
also, I checked the HP for hexawing (80 HP) and mobula (100 HP)
sleek jackal
@glacial topaz that formula is very difficult to understand for the common person and as far as I could gather from the description before it, the formula is to calculate your RoF after firing for a certain duration. It doesnt actually say how/when RoF is raised by the scaling.
glacial topaz
which scaling ??
sleek jackal
RoF scaling (acceleration) for the autocannon
glacial topaz
how fast it goes up ?
you won't get a simple value, which is why there is a formula
and the page explains all variables
sleek jackal
What is E?
glacial topaz
Euler's number
sleek jackal
Whats that?
I mean that formula is pretty advanced and kind of hard to understand for people not so highly educated at math
glacial topaz
:S all that confusion for not knowing euler's number, thing is like π
but defined as base of the natural logarithm, and other ways
sleek jackal
Well most other people I've spoken to also couldn't understand it either and same goes for pi. It's advanced math.
glacial topaz
it is just a number, there is nothing advanced about it
only thing that could help is giving the aproximate value of e, and/or including a graph for quick reference
sleek jackal
On my phone atm, it says
[R(t) = \min(S*e^{Ct}, M)\
glacial topaz
sleek jackal
So to me that says:
Starting RoF x ??? RoF scaling Time trigger held, until max RoF reached. Not sure how you actually calvulate this.
sleek jackal
Thanks, that definitely helps outside of Big Bertha setups to avoid the calculation. But I'd like to figure/suggest a way to make it more clear for others reading the wiki.
If like Bebe said above that it calculates per 0.5 seconds and adds the RoF scaling value (acceleration) perhaps have that mentioned under RoF scaling.
glacial topaz
can't make a math class in there, so the graph should be good enough, with the proper labels
sleek jackal
Strangely though from my testing the simple formula:
Base RoF + (RoF Scaling * Shots Fired) = RoF is giving accurate Top RoF values
glacial topaz
well, I didn't check all of it, but as you can see from the graph the thing is almost a straight line
sleek jackal
The graph should definitely be added though, that would be great for people like myself eho find the formula difficult to grasp
Might need big bertha valies added though
sleek jackal
Sweet. Im sure people would appreciate it a lot. 
glacial topaz
thing about Big Bertha is that you just have to imagine the graph but the horizontal line is 1.5 units lower
sleek jackal
yeah true
maybe just mentioning about calculating once per 0.5s too where it explains RoF scaling, I know you can kind of gather that from the graph, but it's pretty interesting to know
well really the graph more shows per second but still, clarity is nice
glacial topaz
don't remember the guy that explained the mechanics saying anything about 0.5s
but I will be sure they approve the graphs
not that I remember who explained it, I know who didn't tho
sleek jackal
ok now this is a bit strange though. In my recording it takes big bertha with just supercharged feed reaches the DR bonus at 8 shots/1.7 seconds (assuming the shield starting to fade in is the beginning of the DR bonus)
Though even if it began on the 9th shot/1.8 second mark, that 1) shows that it can calculate beyond every 0.5s and B) throws the graph off which says it should take 2.5 seconds to reach the Top RoF
or 2.3s on the graph, more around there
glacial topaz
not a specialist on it, so can't help much
sleek jackal
oh well thanks for trying anyway, hopefully somebody can take it up from here because it's really got me curious about how it all calculates and nothing seems to be giving me the right result.
even the 'per shot formula' i mentioned earlier, I see falls 0.1 short of the Top RoF with max RoF Big Bertha values by the time the shield starts fading in. So unless it is actually in effect on the shot after the shield is 100% visible, that formula is likely is no use either.
glacial topaz
floral drift
@sleek jackal @glacial topaz just chiming in here -- i'm the one who wrote the Autocannon RoF Formula in question.
the formula itself is based on an e^x function, like Omega said. it's a special function in math that has the property "the derivative of e^x is e^x". i'm pretty sure that e is at least mentioned in high school math. what's important for this discussion is that e^0 = 1 (when time = 0, this equation equals 1.)
the RoF scaling, 0.3, is used in the exponent of the equation which affects how quickly it increases in value as time continues. specifically: e^(0.3t). when T2.C gets equipped, that scaling value doubles and changes the equation to e^(0.6t). this means that it takes half as much time for e^x to increase to the same value. observe: https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=plot[{e^(0.3t)%2C+e^(0.6t)%2C+2}%2C+{t%2C+0%2C+10log(2)%2F3}]
the second piece you need to know about is the Starting Rate of Fire. by default it's 3 RoF, but T2.B, T2.C, and T3.A all add to the Starting Rate of Fire. the Starting RoF is used as a coefficient that multiplies the e^(0.3t) equation. remember, when time = 0, e^(0.3t) = 1, therefore the Starting RoF is still the Starting RoF even after multiplying by the e^(0.3t).
the last piece is knowing the value of the Max Rate of Fire. this lets us know exactly when it stops scaling exponentially and changes to just be a constant RoF. T2.B, T3.A, and Big Bertha all affect this value.
putting all three pieces together, we can easily solve for how long it takes to achieve max RoF and by extension how many bullets get fired during that time period. Derivation:
S * e^(C * t) = M
e^(C * t) = M / S
C * t = ln(M / S)
t = ln(M / S) / C
so, using that last equation, you can solve for how many seconds it takes to go from Starting RoF to Max RoF by taking the Natural Log of (Max / Starting) divided by the Scaling Factor. once that time is known, all you have to do is take the integral of your starting equation, S * e^(C * t), from t=0 to t=ln(M / S) / C and that will be the number of bullets fired during the rampup period.
addressing your concern that this isn't friendly to people who don't have a higher math education: that's a true statement, but there's no way to simplify this explanation without it no longer being factual. estimates like "Base RoF + (RoF Scaling * Shots Fired) = RoF" may be close, but they're not correct. the info that you were looking for was already on the Wiki, it just didn't make sense to you.
@ Omega: the graph you provided had them all start at RoF = 3, which is incorrect. here's a more accurate version:
glacial topaz
wtf that sneaky info, the game doesn't even say the starting rof changed, does it ???
floral drift
not in-game, no, but it's documented in the Rate of Fire Mechanics section right above the Formula
glacial topaz
also, what is that thing about it calculating every 0.5s ? know anything about ?
floral drift
i've never heard of that before reading Bebe's comment, but my guess would be the game updates the current RoF to be the next iteration of the e^t curve every 0.5 sec.
glacial topaz
well, better to wait for you to confirm it really happens like that
better if it doesn't affect important things to know
low hamlet
? <https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Gunner?curid=632&diff=22123&oldid=1980...
correct
low hamlet
? <https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Mission_Control?curid=1210&diff=22159&...
you can revert that
glacial topaz
for lacerator, what does the rock wave attack do ? I know how it looks, but does it push you or ?
floral drift
i remember that it damages for sure, but i 'm uncertain if there's a knockback. i got too good at dodging it during XP 😛
low hamlet
is that the one where it does the oppressor like attack that has rock spikes coming up through the ground?
glacial topaz
low hamlet
yeah that
it knocks you into the air iirc
and away from the direction the attacks are coming from
glacial topaz
been trying to get the stats, that might make it easier, but I think there are other attacks that can knock Dwarves
floral drift
suggestion: could a page for Friendly Fire be added to the wiki? right now it's tucked away inside the Difficulty Scaling page, but there's no explanation of whether or not it's additive/multiplicative with weapons' innate FF modifiers, the Friendly perk, and the little asterisk about Explosive getting an extra 50% could use a little more prominence.
SpartanLemon is doing some testing that suggests FF bonuses are multiplicative, which tracks with how other effects stack in DRG (like movespeed modifiers)
low hamlet
been trying to get the stats, that might make it easier, but I think there are o...
the oppressor has a very similar attack. that could get you started looking for values?
glacial topaz
I just have to find the one without aoe I think, unless that rockwave got some aoe to it
sleek jackal
@floral drift thanks and yeah I don't understand that at all lol but thanks for trying. I'll have to study some of that in my free time to try and make more sense of it.
autumn flare
The Bough Wasp Nest page is named incorrectly
It needs "Deeptora" before it, that's how it's entry is in game
sleek jackal
one thing I notice is the new graph you posted has T3A only, but if accounting for -1.5 Top RoF with Big Bertha as I mentioned earlier (so Top RoF of 6), the graph should land about 1.7ish seconds to hit Top RoF right? But my video recording frame by frame takes about 2.1s for the first frame of the shield to start fading in. Know what the reason for this difference might be?
I wouldve expected perhaps a small fraction for frames not visible or something, but a 0.4s difference is quite big considering the small scale
glacial topaz
The Bough Wasp Nest page is named incorrectly
my bad
floral drift
one thing I notice is the new graph you posted has T3A only, but if accounting f...
i just recorded it using OBS at 60 fps, and it took 102 frames for the Shield icon to appear using T3.A, T5.C, and Big Bertha equipped. that's 1.7 seconds. what was your methodology for testing that got 2.1s?
floral drift
unrelated to Autocannon: there's a mismatch between the Creatures landing page and the Tri-Jaw and Brundle specific pages. on Creatures it indicates that they use Large scaling (which increases their health with player count like a Praetorian) but their individual pages indicate that they use Normal scaling (just scales with Hazard level, like Grunts). which is correct?
glacial topaz
glacial topaz
for hiveguard boss, what is the full name of its spawns ? I know it has sentinel
sleek jackal
@floral drift I recorded at 60 fps with geforce experience, then frame stepped to the instant the AC began it's first firing animation frame (about 0.200ms) and stepped by frame until the shot that triggers the shield icon to begin fading in (as soon as ammo hits 43 at about 2.355ms)
hang on, lol no. Thats the wrong vid thats why. Thats max RoF setup.
Though for that one the graph says it should be about 2.6s, there's no mark for any setup that tops at 2.1.
My BB-T3A does indeed result with 1.7s though.
Idk, Maybe I'm not looking at the right graph line either? Perhaps for clarity can you move the colour legend icons on the right alongside their appropriate Top RoF marks, so even with overlapping or similar colour shades, you'd know which one to look at by the line it's marked next to.
glacial topaz
bold plover
I'd say keep the change since you can rebind the controls.
It is also more accurate that they grab onto the claws.
glacial topaz
feel it is too generic
kind epoch
any sentence with "press E" or just press any specific key shouldn't exist
like Banagement said, you can rebind
it should be written "press [USE]"
glacial topaz
those are just anomalies
you can fix that if you find, or make a list so I can do something about, focusing on other things though
weary sail
its missing zhukov's cryo minelets (or is it intentional because its a oc)
sand lantern
Also, outdated, but something is off on mobile wiki
gusty bridge
also, how do we view hover text on mobile?
gusty bridge
its missing zhukov's cryo minelets (or is it intentional because its a oc)
i'd say add cryo minelets in
we'll eventually make a "temperature" page and we'll need all sources of hot and cold
glacial topaz
?? also "the the" pff
gusty bridge
always wondered why they used the clip size icon for stunner
analog rock
always wondered why they used the clip size icon for stunner
It was a repurposed oc that added mag size
gusty bridge
ah cool
worldly salmon
for hiveguard boss, what is the full name of its spawns ? I know it has sentinel
If you didn’t get an answer, I’m almost certain it’s Glyphid Sentinel
worldly salmon
I believe it is
I’ve seen it a few times
A deep dive a few cycles back had an express situation like this
glacial topaz
doesn't happen if it is the front part ?
worldly salmon
I don’t know if it happens on the front
that’s a harder thing to test
Mostly because the DD didn’t let it stop on the front part
so I’m unsure
austere fossil
Not sure about the Korlok (my gut says no), but it definitely can kill other stationary enemies.
glacial topaz
and is the nexus a mini boss ?
austere fossil
Nah, I'd do
...
mini bossesstationary enemies such as...
at a minimum
glacial topaz
bet-c isn't that stationary, will it kill it before she gets out of the way ?
analog rock
All of these have been documented before. Korloks, bet-c, nexuses, spitballs, etc. all get killed instantly if in contact with the drill.
I don't know for dreads though (if you can even get a dread wave on escort), or leeches.
glacial topaz
the elimination credit values on the wiki are confusing me
how can it be lower than the base
surely there is a more clear way, have the full table btw:
that page needs a complete rework, so... I will probably try that and see what you guys think
bold plover
The drilldozer does 99999 damage iirc.
low hamlet
bet-c isn't that stationary, will it kill it before she gets out of the way ?
depends
radiant edge
I believe the dozer only instakills korlok if the shell is exposed
Otherwise its still immune to all damage
radiant edge
Really? They must've changed it recently then
bold plover
That's unfortunate, lol.
I drove Doretta into a sprout in experimental U33 and it died.
radiant edge
Yea, sounds like its changed in U33
autumn flare
I've seen it happen with a spitballer before
floral drift
🤔 this might be related to Oppressor's Rage Quake attack and Praetorian's Acid Spray attack killing them if the attack hits Doretta's drill?
analog rock
🤔 this might be related to Oppressor's Rage Quake attack and Praetorian's Acid ...
Wait, what ?
bold plover
Yeah, that is why Praetorians and Oppressors die when they use certain attacks on the drilldozer.
It like becomes an extension of themselves.
floral drift
it was "added" in U33XP, apparently not patched out yet.
i think it's tied to the Damage refactor that U33 did, just one of the loose ends that hasn't been tied up yet.
glacial topaz
drilldozer head being able to make to the pod appears on the main article and on the trivia section, should both be kept ? or
autumn flare
It's not mentioned in the trivia section
Oh, you're referring to the Escort Duty page
I'll remove the trivia section one since it was added a couple days after the main article one, and is significantly less detailed
glacial topaz
didn't even know there was a stun page
:S the grappling hook page, thing is becoming all about the irl consequences of using it as a human
gusty bridge
has anyone done a "Shots to kill" spreadsheet? (before i go make one for my own reference haha)
taking into account Elite Deep Dive x 4 Dwarves Effective Health
armor hits, body hits, weakpoint hits, etc
damage from On Fire, etc
stuff like that?
was just playing around with some numbers on the M1k:
1s = normal shot
cs = charged shot
ws = weakpoint shot (x1 x2 x3)
1sN = normal shot on normal hit (not accounting for armor)
1sW = normal shot on Weakpoint
etc.
table is shots to kill (rounded up)
and clips to kill (rounded up)
was comparing 14 round clip vs +25% Charged shot bonus
glacial topaz
what are you trying to discover
weary sonnet
I never did it for all creatures, I only did it for a few of them to check for breakpoints when needed, but it was always on a temporary tab that I deleted afterward.
glacial topaz
what thing that uses boss 2 scaling can appear on DDs ?
indigo kindle
what thing that uses boss 2 scaling can appear on DDs ?
I don't think Korloks can spawn in DD/EDD, and nothing else in the game uses Boss 2 scaling according to Elyth's data.
glacial topaz
isn't it odd that the korlok hp table shows the hp for DDs then ?
floral drift
do any of the Dreadnoughts use Boss 2?
gusty bridge
what are you trying to discover
was trying to compare breakpoints or shots-to-kill on a few creature types
glacial topaz
not really, for the dreads
gusty bridge
to see the comparative benefits of a damage upgrade vs a clip size etc
so above i was comparing t3 on the m1000. extra focus shot damage vs extra clip size
T3A kills a praet in 6 weakpoint hits, T3B in 8. but in both cases it's more than a clip to kill.
For an Oppressor it's 8 shots T3A, 9 shots T3B. so MUCH closer. and most other creatures the number of charged shots is uneffected. So it pushes me towards T3B.
that's the kind of stuff i'd like to be able to know from a calculator etc.
gusty bridge
I never did it for all creatures, I only did it for a few of them to check for b...
ok cool, i might work on one in the background then
floral drift
that's the kind of stuff i'd like to be able to know from a calculator etc.
well, do i have some good news for you! 😆
gusty bridge
> that's the kind of stuff i'd like to be able to know from a calculator etc.
we...
hahaha, i had a feeling you might have one
floral drift
if you aren't already aware, i've written and am maintaining a DPS Calculator for DRG's weapons. one of the metrics is Breakpoints, including on Scout's M1000 Focused Shots. this is the latest version released (for U32): https://github.com/drg-tools/drg-weapons-calculator/releases/tag/v1.0.6
I'm currently working on finishing up v1.0.7 and I hope to get that released by the end of this week.
half torrent
@gusty bridge if there're any specific things you'd like to know, I'm pretty familiar with the M1K too
gusty bridge
if you aren't already aware, i've written and am maintaining a DPS Calculator fo...
beautiful! bookmarked. going to download it later on
half torrent
here's my simplified sheet for normal enemies
gusty bridge
<@!321108642407383040> if there're any specific things you'd like to know, I'm p...
will do man!!
gusty bridge
here's my simplified sheet for normal enemies
nice one, can you run through the columns?
half torrent
Hits to Kill - T4 Armor Break - T1 Dmg - Both
these are the things that'll affect breakpoints
gusty bridge
hits to kill is assuming all shots hit armor?
half torrent
yup, I have one for weakpoint but honestly it's just 1-2 shots for normal enemies
cept 3 for guard
weary sonnet
For the boss 2 scaling I rechecked, looks like there is indeed only the korlok for now, not sure why the deep dive is defined for it, we could hide it indeed.
sand lantern
I don't think Korloks can spawn in DD/EDD, and nothing else in the game uses Bos...
When korlok just released, I explored it as well. At first I thought he can appear in DDs, but then after some more research I changed my mind. Can't name exact reasons, my memory is bad at remembering things like this
glacial topaz
? also would it be better as a hover over, or trivia section is fine ? achievements page
autumn flare
That makes no sense
austere fossil
It means you can fail a haz4 and not mess up the achievement
autumn flare
I know what it means but it's hardly worded correctly
bold plover
The floor is floor.
austere fossil
I was gonna suggest
Note: completing/failing a non-hazard 5 mission won't interrupt the streak.
glacial topaz
glacial topaz
?
glacial topaz
?
low hamlet
eh
glacial topaz
wait... it talks about rock solid which is haz5, but what about this ???
low hamlet
wdym?
glacial topaz
? also would it be better as a hover over, or trivia section is fine ? achieveme...
from here
low hamlet
alright. no idea
glacial topaz
let's start with the simples of the 3 things to fix
is it "onto" or "on to" ?
For the mobula change "When getting across large caverns from high up places as the Scout, a good strategy would be to time a grapple to a nearby surface so that you can grab on to a Cave Angel, wait for the Hook to recharge, and then let go to grapple to the now-closer objective location."
gusty bridge
do falling stalactites cause stun?
gusty bridge
let's start with the simples of the 3 things to fix
is it "onto" or "on to" ?
Fo...
in the above case it's "on to" as "grab on" is a 2-word phrasal verb.
(https://www.grammarbook.com/blog/definitions/on-to-vs-onto/)
glacial topaz
so no changes needed there I guess
second thing to fix, is it really 72 cosmetics per class to unlock from cores ? and 12 weapons paintjobs from cores ?
low hamlet
do falling stalactites cause stun?
fairly sure they just cause die
glacial topaz
surely the 1000 damage is lethal, and things that survive that might be immune to stun, but maybe there is a very specific setting that lets a non immune thing survive
1000 kinetic damage in a 50 cm radius, reaching 1.5m with 250 damage... well, now that is more likely for something to survive, there may be other things at play, but there is that
thin willow
Is there a way someone can change the dash perk section in the wiki? I’ve talked to a bunch of people that dash negates slasher stun and they say it doesn’t. I’ve tried it a bunch and I’m pretty certain it’s true it doesn’t. But if you guys tell me otherwise thanks.
indigo kindle
Is there a way someone can change the dash perk section in the wiki? I’ve talked...
Slashers don't stun Dwarves per se; it's a 50% slow that also disables sprint. Dash has 100 slowdown immunity meaning you should be able to negate Slasher/Jellyfish slows completely; keyword being "should be" because the interaction is buggy.
low hamlet
it doesn't
you are still slowed a lot if you dash with the stun effect from a slasher or a shocker
floral drift
i've heard that Dash, Iron Will, and Unstoppable perks only apply to environmental slows, like Sticky Goo in Fungus Bogs. that might explain why Slashers and Shockers can still slow you?
bold plover
If they change dash to affect enemy slowdowns it also affects unstoppable, which is why they haven't done so since they need to add a new system.
And unstoppable with enemy slowdown reduction would be a must have, thus why it has not happened.
worldly pier
Dunno if this would be the appropriate place to ask, but is the sounds category going to be updated? Cause it appears to be missing a lot of files and even creature categories (i.e. Dreadnought sounds, some attack sound files, etc.).
gusty bridge
i think ely covered this earlier
we were talking about adding a movement speed page
the chat centered around here:
difference between additive and multiplicative modifiers to speed and sprint
low hamlet
Dunno if this would be the appropriate place to ask, but is the sounds category ...
do you mean the voicelines page?
glacial topaz
hmmm
glacial topaz
what is the correct name for the hiveguard ??? the page is called "Dreadnought Hiveguard" but the infobox says it is called "GLYPHID DREADNOUGHT HIVEGUARD"
weary sonnet
Dreadnought Hiveguard
Sources Crowdin text for: MM, In game name
gusty bridge
is Steeve vs Bug damage scaled in the same way as Effective health is?
e.g. :
Haz 5, 4 Dwarves
Steeve Slasher
- HP = 177.6
- Regenerating bugs = 8.88 hp/s
- Damage = 34 x 300% = 102
- Lethal enemies Damage (x2) = 204
- Special - Stuns Bugs?
Steeve Guardian
- HP = 324
- Regenerating bugs = 16.2 hp/s
- Lethal Enemies Damage = 13.6 x 300% = 40.8
- Lethal Enemies Damage (x2) = 81.6
- Special - Blocks bugs?
weary sonnet
Not sure how the math works for beast master, I would have to test it in game to be sure.
gusty bridge
fair
Would be nice to have a statblock for the various types of "Steeve"
Grunt, Slasher, Guardian, & regional variants i suppose.
robust raptor
How tall are the drawes?
low hamlet
1.5m
technically
if you test that to the size of other things in the game the logic of it all falls apart very quickly
glacial topaz
how
low hamlet
take the bulldog rounds for instance
glacial topaz
what about it
worldly pier
do you mean the voicelines page?
Not the voice line page necessarily, I mean like the creature audio page. Which seems to be missing quite a few audio files and even some creatures entirely.
low hamlet
there's a creature audio page?
worldly pier
Yep. Well not a 'page', a category.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Creature_Audio
It appears to be missing the OG Dreadnought, some attack files (like the Oppressor's stomping), and weirdly enough both Bosco and Doretta (unless their sound files are somewhere else).
glacial topaz
I got back to that, solved some issues with it, now just have to figure out which ones are missing, that and make sure the sound is correct
glacial topaz
Doretta it is then
autumn flare
No, Drilldozer
glacial topaz
@autumn flare you are messing with the og dreadnought image, leave it as how it is
autumn flare
Capitalize it
glacial topaz
right right, later
worldly pier
I think in terms of official names, like company names, it's just Drilldozer. But we call it Dotty, Doretta, etc.
Kinda like naming a cat.
autumn flare
Yeah true
glacial topaz
Capitalize it
done
low hamlet
<:lurking:581970977068548117>
i just need values
glacial topaz
oh, that's unexpected, didn't think I did anything different, what did I do (?)
Thanks though
low hamlet
all the audio files :)
and i got the bough wasp nest uploaded and implemented
i got all the bees off it too
glacial topaz
I have Doretta to do tomorrow / later, if you remember any sounds that are interesting to have, remind me, last time I was having trouble, but now should be better, mostly
also, in the near future, think of a nice way to display it, so it isn't just files lost in a category
worldly pier
Wow I didn't expect me asking a question would inadvertently cause it to be updated that fast.
Though strangely enough on desktop its not wanting to show it but on mobile it's all there.
indigo kindle
3m for both damage radius and max damage radius.
gusty bridge
ok so does the in-game description say 5m? or is the wiki just in need of a small correction?
austere fossil
In-game description says 5m
glacial topaz
after today's patch is it still saying 5m ? with the actual value being 3m
low hamlet
i think we correct the description then
glacial topaz
not really
low hamlet
why not?
glacial topaz
pretty sure you have to work on GSG to correct in game text
and in the wiki we use the in game text, so max we can do is report it and add hoverover text
probably gather all other odd values too
other than heat radiance, what else is wrong
indigo kindle
Cold Radiance in-game description is wrong: says 5m, in fact it has 3m max damage radius and 4m radius. No falloff values are listed.
gusty bridge
hmm
how do you view hover text on mobile?
can't seem to get it to work, and not sure we should really rely on it if it's not viewable there
maybe Parenthesis and italics instead?
gusty bridge
Omega? Ely? thoughts?
glacial topaz
keep hoverover, there is no point in making text longer, even more when DRG can't be played on mobile afaik, so that is on the gamepedia to do something to allow hoverover
low hamlet
we should make the wiki as accessible as possible to everyone. some people play on xbox or something and have to use a phone to read the wiki
it won't add much text at all
glacial topaz
if there is a good solution
as of now the hover over info already appears later on the article, it is just there to say there is more to it, or that it is wrong
austere fossil
I almost feel like it'd be worth renaming that column to "In-game Description" to make it a bit more obvious that it's taken word-for-word from the game. You can then add hover-overs/links/asterisks to anything that's incorrect/misleading
glacial topaz
well, asteriskssks works too
hoverover for pc asterix for mobile, text doesn't get longer everyone is happy
austere fossil
In Heat Radiance's case I assume a link to the explanation section would still work.
austere fossil
Oh, I tried to preview a change and got that. Made me think it didn't like me trying to put a link inside the table lol
Replacing the
5m radius
text with
[[#Heat_Radiance|5m radius]]
Seems to work fine, lemme make the change and then check on my phone.
Yup, link works on mobile. Though we might consider adding it to the "Name" column, too.
glacial topaz
doing the same for cryo ?
floral drift
other than heat radiance, what else is wrong
many things
last count it was 53, i think?
glacial topaz
other than pickaxe and LS , example ?
floral drift
one sec, gotta find it...
this is the list that i sent to Dagadegatto back in U31. before I uploaded it here i quickly went through and updated things.
those are all the things in weapons that are either listed incorrectly or not listed
glacial topaz
being not listed is fine
weary sonnet
For hoverover, it should be possible to make it open with a click or double click on mobile or something similar with some custom js.
An alternate solution would be to have it display on click for everyone, there may be a plugin for that.
low hamlet
it'd definitely be easier to add a little thingy in there
weary sonnet
This should work:
https://dev.fandom.com/wiki/WdsTooltips
I just did a quick test modifying my js and css only and it seems to be enought.
Works on hover on pc and click on mobile.
This would require a pretty big change in how we do the hoverover compared to before, so it would be best to check if everyone agree first (and maybe make a small template to simplify it).
glacial topaz
sounds like it says "can only be frozen by melee attacks", so likely badly worded
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Machine_Events?curid=2972&diff=22379&oldid=21432
glacial topaz
fixed it
signal meadow
Mactera Brundle's description on the general creatures page says that it has no armor, looks like an oversight
floral drift
Mactera Brundle's description on the general creatures page says that it has no ...
already reported in Jira, DRG-2693
signal meadow
That's in-game, I mean the wiki itself. There's no reason to keep the info incorrect, especially since the mactera brundle page already mentions heavy armor.
austere fossil
Ah, you mean in the table. "Description" usually means "written paragraph", at least to me, and I wasn't finding anything of the sort in the main Creatures page.
Fixed
gusty bridge
what do we want for the columns?
Description = In game Description? (sometimes wrong)
Effect = in game stat change on equipment screen? (sometimes wrong)
or do we want "Effect" to be the actual true effect?
glacial topaz
Description is like it is in game
gusty bridge
agree
glacial topaz
are you planning anything ?
gusty bridge
trying to figure out if we want the "Effect" column to list the actual true effect, instead of the effect listed in the equipment screen, which is often wrong
glacial topaz
give an example
gusty bridge
ok one sec
glacial topaz
as of now I think it says the in game effect + extra details if needed between parenthesis
gusty bridge
yeah
let's stick with that then
so we go with parenthesis instead of hover text?
or do we go with hover text (for PC) and a " * " that links to the detailed description (for mobile)
glacial topaz
just follow how it is done now, but thing is, there is nothing to change
no weapon balance for U33, so unless there was some really sneaky change,
sand lantern
...fishers gonna fish
radiant edge
Plus if any extra explanation is needed, there's usually a "Unique modifications" section further below
glacial topaz
is it still a thing ? the number of caverns, which I guess should be called Rooms
low hamlet
yeah i believe it is
glacial topaz
the mission pages are really missing basic things, and something so common shouldn't be low priority
tiny echo
hey all theres someone here that watches the dev stream and tracks what they say right?
analog rock
hey all theres someone here that watches the dev stream and tracks what they say...
Ask @alpine hamlet when he's online, he follows most of the streams.
acoustic scarab
hey all theres someone here that watches the dev stream and tracks what they say...
It is I
You got some feedback on the spreadsheet?
tiny echo
nah i was looking for the most recent streams regards the damage doretta takes
trying to backup this statement #deep-dive-discussion message
acoustic scarab
I've only watched Thursday, will probably add both today
alpine hamlet
Ah yoshkin you're the Google Doc guy, nice work.
And the most unusual ping bringing me to this channel
acoustic scarab
trying to backup this statement https://discord.com/channels/257785731072786435/...
Oh, I don't add everything they say, just reactions to ideas & suggestions. Otherwise it's going to take way too much time
So unless the talk about Doretta and bug pathing came from someone's suggestion, you're on your own, sorry
glacial topaz
?? true ?
weary sonnet
It is.
kind epoch
are those images official or people color them manually ? it feels a bit strange the adult q'ronar has a weakness in the mouth but not the youngling
but if that's a confirmed info nevermind
bold plover
No wonder why I can never hit those damn adult shellback eyes. I bet the tail is even worse.
glacial topaz
manually
trim plover
the biome specific crafting material rewards list for both the lost pack and cargo crate need to be updated. the new biomes aren't mentioned yet.
glacial topaz
:S forgot that was a thing, let me fix
trim plover
:S forgot that was a thing, let me fix
👍
weary sonnet
Most of them were colored by Omega or me.
Either based on the material color from Umodel when we could or from extensive in game tests when we couldn’t.
As for the mouth of the youngling not being a weakness, that’s a confirmed info.
It may seem to be one since the hitbox for the light armor is a bit wider than the model so you do half damage if you hit it from the front but too close to the side.
This is what the shellback looks like in umodel for reference:
The problem was that each creature is colored differently and not always based on armor/weakpoint.
glacial topaz
so, this happened: