#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 47

austere fossil Oct 22, 2020, 5:12 PM

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Also, can you throw grenades while carrying a large object anymore? Since they gave them actual animations?

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the / throwables might need deleting

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2020, 5:13 PM

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if you tap the left / right button, do you just drop it ? I feel that pointing out the throw strength mechanics would be handy

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can you test it

austere fossil Oct 22, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Can't test atm, but I've definitely seen green beards drop them at their feet before learning you have to hold to throw it far, so I assume yes

stark tulip Oct 22, 2020, 5:45 PM

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I didn't even know you could throw them when I was new
I just used Q to drop them

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when was that added, by the way?

austere fossil Oct 22, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Throwing was added a long time ago

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Having to charge the throw more recently, but still a while ago

stark tulip Oct 22, 2020, 5:48 PM

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I started playing around a year or so ago

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2020, 9:16 PM

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the part of using the right button and canceling the throw is from U32

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2020, 11:27 PM

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would it be better to just get rid of the trivia ?

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stark tulip Oct 22, 2020, 11:31 PM

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yeah

glacial topaz Oct 22, 2020, 11:36 PM

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hmmm, is there anything on the patchnotes that wasn't in the experimental notes ? I can check myself later, but one example is return OC not being mentioned on the experimental notes, making me not change it on the wiki, someone else did though, hopefully with the right values,

bold plover Oct 22, 2020, 11:45 PM

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RTS for BC got changed?

sand lantern Oct 22, 2020, 11:47 PM

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A bit

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Afaik got larger ammo penalty

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:12 AM

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I feel like the creature armor page should include the fact that the weapon needs an armor breaking mod in order to deal full damage when breaking armor

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Miner's manual doesn't explain that fact too well

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:19 AM

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wait, is it really about having a mod equipped that makes it deal full damage or not ? confirmed ?

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:22 AM

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Yea, you can kinda test it with the M1k, with and without the armor breaking mod

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:23 AM

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that weapon only has 30% AB as base so...

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:23 AM

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Or the bulldog with 65 damage

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Although it doesn't have an armor breaking mod

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:24 AM

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bulldog is 100%, so there is that

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Yep, but you can test and see that it still suffers the damage penalty

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Since 65 damage should be enough to break grunt armor in 1 shot

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:25 AM

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might be a bug , the whole thing about needing a mod, curious to hear more about what causes it

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:32 AM

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Another test you can do is PGL hyper propellant, with and without the armor break mod and shoot it at a praetorian's leg

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You'll see leg armor chunks flying off either way, but only with armor breaking lets you deal full damage to it

weak cedar Oct 23, 2020, 12:33 AM

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I was just about to request someone investigate armor break mods interaction with armor

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And here you guys are already talking about it

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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The way the fix is worded would imply you need a mod

Fixed Armor Breaking not giving full damage when it break the armor but only on consecutive shots
note the capitalized "Armor Breaking"

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:35 AM

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i'm not sure that's how Hyper Propellant would interact with Praetorian Heavy Armor Plates....

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i think how they worded it is that any Direct Damage that exceeds the remaining health on the Heavy Armor plates would be passed on to the enemy's healthbar

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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@austere fossil Right, I was just saying that it should be clarified on the wiki page for other folks

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:36 AM

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isn't Armor Breaking just a stat ? as you can see here

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floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:37 AM

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so the Armor Breaking at T3.B would decrease the amount of damage needed to break the armor, which would increase the damage dealt to the Praetorian's healthbar.

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not that HP w/o T3.B wouldn't do damage at all

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it's easy enough to test, i guess

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:38 AM

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I don't think that's how armor breaking works

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And if it did, heavy armor breaks off to just 120 damage, which is way less than HP's 385/445, you can notice the stark differences

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:43 AM

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wait, considering heavy armor negates damage, if you break it , usually none of the damage will go to the creature , so they will stay at 100% HP, but if you do the same with a AB increasing mod you will deal damage to it ? guessing the angle must be correct too

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:45 AM

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Right, the fix affected both light and heavy armor and it doesn't seem like angle matters

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:45 AM

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just in case you hit the armor, but not flesh

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curious if the same case I talked about would work if the AB mod didn't bring it to over 100%, or if it actually decreased it

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example being the pgl fire mod that reduces armor breaking

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well, not sure if it is the best example to use

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:47 AM

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alright, laundry is folded, gimme a few min and I'll run some tests

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:47 AM

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i just tested HP w/ and w/o T3.B

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i was wrong

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the Direct Damage does not get passed to Praetorian's health without T3 equipped

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so, the Armor Breaking mod is necessary

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 12:49 AM

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wonder if that was intentional to buff AB mods

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:50 AM

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So 130 dmg bulldog should always break a grunts armor but should not kill because it has no armor breaking mod, correct?

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:51 AM

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that sounds reasonable. i can check it pretty quickly

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:51 AM

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I just did that

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Armor broke, left with a sliver of health

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:52 AM

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so, we now have definitive proof that Armor Breaking mods are required for "damage ignoring armor reduction when breaking a plate" instead of it being baseline functionality

waxen estuary Oct 23, 2020, 12:52 AM

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interesting

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

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It's interesting since it was baseline with regards to light armor in experimental, but not heavy armor

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Looks like they changed it for live

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

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no, it was this way in exp too

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

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Really, I could've sworn I was able to two-shot grunts with a 65 bulldog in experimental

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:54 AM

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it's probably to increase the value of AB mods, by letting them do something that "raw damage" can't

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 12:55 AM

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a video of the test

📎 armor_breaking_fix_requires_mod.mp4

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 12:55 AM

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But yea, I don't mind that as being somewhat of a "hidden" buff to AB

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 12:55 AM

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let us make it hidden no longer! update the wiki! huzzah 🎉

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🤔 i wonder if your 2-shot with 65 is because you shot the same "armor plate" area on a grunt. 65*0.8 + 65 = 117

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the first should would guarantee break the light armor plate of a grunt (65/15 > 4), and then the second would do full damage

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 1:03 AM

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Yea, possibly

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 1:05 AM

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what i'm really curious about is how does "negative Armor Breaking" interact, such as with PGL T3.A's Incendiary Compound doing -50% AB?

does it still do full damage when it breaks an armor plate because it's an AB mod? or not, because the AB is less than 100%?

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🤔 if i was a dev at GSG, i would code it so that only AB > 100% could do the "bypass damage reduction on breaking shot"

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the only other "negative AB" in the game that i'm aware of is Breach Cutter OC "Inferno", but that doesn't interact with how BC calculates its damage so it can't easily be tested

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 1:08 AM

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Also, they said that they fixed the "M1k focus shots only use the base damage to calculate armor breaking" and I'm pretty sure that's false

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I just spent several max dmg supercooling shots on a praetorians plate without it breaking

weak cedar Oct 23, 2020, 1:09 AM

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I don't understand

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Base damage instead of what? focus damage? Focus bonus damage?

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 1:09 AM

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210*0.3=63 armor damage right? so it should break in two shots?

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 1:09 AM

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with the AB mod ? never forget that thing is only 30% AB at base

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 1:10 AM

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it took closer to 7

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 1:10 AM

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calculate how much damage you got ? based on the actual armor hp and shots needed, you should get a good average

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 1:11 AM

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if it only counts the base dmg it would break on the 7th, which I think it did (if not the 8th)

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60*0.3=18, 120/18=6.66_

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ooo, another test idea.
Base dmg Hipster with Armor Breaking
30*2.5=75 so hipfire should not immediately break a praetorian plate
60*2.5=150 but the focus should if the full dmg is applied towards armor breaking

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yeah, focus shot did not break praet plate in 1

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 1:27 AM

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well, good to have proof to show the devs that Focus Shots are using the wrong damage values for armor breaking

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 3:26 AM

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how are enemies affected by sandstorms and earthquakes exactly now ?

high wolf Oct 23, 2020, 3:50 AM

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Is history on the Wiki bugged or something? I was looking the Deepcore's page and noticed the old versions had the new stats for AI Stability Engine. Before U32 there was no weakpoint bonus at all and it was -1 damage correct?

https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Deepcore_GK2

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Deepcore GK2

Deepcore GK2 - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 3:52 AM

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yes, the damage changed and weakpoint bonus was added

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I mean, you looking for something ? weapons were updated for U32

high wolf Oct 23, 2020, 3:54 AM

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I just wanted to double check the exact values of what was changed. Kinda wish devs included those numbers in the patch notes but figured I could just check wiki's history but for some reason it shows the new stats

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but thanks for confirming it, felt like my memory was betraying me and there was a smaller weakpoint bonus or something and they just increased it

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 4:12 AM

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I think this is what you wanted https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Overclock_table_deepcore_gk2?diff=20372&oldid=19204

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Template:Overclock table deepcore gk2

Difference between revisions of "Template:Overclock table deepcore gk2" - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

high wolf Oct 23, 2020, 4:15 AM

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Oh right, tables are edited separately, didn't realize older versions would reference the current table. ty!

low hamlet Oct 23, 2020, 4:41 AM

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yep. all you gotta do is click history on the page and you can see all the edits and compare them

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and how you can see templates is click edit source and scroll all the way down to underneath the editing box. it'll show templates used in the page/whatever header you select to edit

bold plover Oct 23, 2020, 8:09 AM

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What is the max amount of points for an Ebonite ME?

radiant edge Oct 23, 2020, 8:28 AM

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40 I believe

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 9:00 AM

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Wait I just followed what was said about armor break, afaik it was never said that an armor break mod was necessary to be able to do full damage to break armor. Imo it is a bug since the shot breaking the armor in that case isn’t doing full damage and it makes the base armor break of some weapon useless.
Did anyone report it yet?

bold plover Oct 23, 2020, 9:24 AM

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I can.

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 10:09 AM

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I can do it, I just wanted to know if someone else reported it yet, seems not.
Edit: posted in #bug-discussion <#bug-discussion message>

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 10:33 AM

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Now we know.

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 1:42 PM

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Update thanks to TriggerHappyBro in #bug-discussion :
The focus shot fix isn’t live yet.

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 2:10 PM

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any info on the sandstorm / earthquake effect on enemies ?

sand lantern Oct 23, 2020, 2:11 PM

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Should now affect them as well, but haven't really tested it

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Slow down

alpine hamlet Oct 23, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Does someone have an overview of EXP new missions vs old missions and average length?

acoustic scarab Oct 23, 2020, 4:39 PM

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Oof, average length? I can't see a way that the community would have that info without access to developer-side statistics

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With thousands of concurrent players, different team sizes and team compositions, different lengths & complexities, and different hazard levels, even the notion of average mission length would have to come with several asterisks to not be useless

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 4:45 PM

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I do not think it was about that, just about how much exp you get based on the mission lenght / complexity, not total time

acoustic scarab Oct 23, 2020, 4:47 PM

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Well, in that case rewards are faily well described here https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Experience

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 4:48 PM

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new missions aren't in there :3

acoustic scarab Oct 23, 2020, 4:50 PM

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Why you little ✊

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You're right...

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btw just a couple of tiny things, we have confirmation that bugs don't attack the pipes
https://youtu.be/mFG2TcHHNG0?t=3366
and that it's possible to reverse direction while grinding
https://youtu.be/mFG2TcHHNG0?t=3150
in case we'll ever want to mention that on the wiki

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 5:07 PM

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To be clear, the "possible to reverse direction while grinding" doesn't work exactly like it does on ziplines, it requires two E presses. One to stop grinding and stop where you are and then another to restart grinding (assuming you turned around and are facing the new direction)

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:29 PM

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Inferno OC new stats, tested by MeatShield and verified by me, digging in the files:

Bonus:
    Damage Conversion:
        ConversionPercentage: 90%
        DamageClass: DMG_Fire (Fire + Heat)
    Status Effect:
        Effect: On fire (forced)
        Chance: 100%
        Duration: 5s
        Interval: 0.5 - 0.5s
        DamageAmount: 7 - 7
        DamageClass: DMG_Fire (Fire + Heat)
Penalty:
    Ammo: -6
    Armor Damage Multiplier: ×0.25
    Damage: -3.5```

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 5:31 PM

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inferno section is quite empty

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:32 PM

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although it seems trivial with Elyth being able to just look it up, i'm proud of myself being able to figure it out through testing alone 🙂

shell frigate Oct 23, 2020, 5:33 PM

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Testing it is still good, since stuff sometimes does work like how it's meant to in the files

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:41 PM

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it's worth noting that the new Inferno DoT does eleven ticks during the 5-sec interval, as opposed to the intuitive 5 * 2 = 10

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:42 PM

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All dots starts at 0s in deep rock so it is expected, but adding the total damage to clarify that could be good.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:43 PM

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yeah, for sure. i think most people would intuitively expect "tick at 0, tick at 0.5, tick at 1, tick at 1.5..." and stop at "tick at 4.5". they would neglect to add the last tick at 5.0

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Ah, I was expecting them to forgot the tick at 0 instead well.

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 5:46 PM

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So that would mean all the total damage numbers in the electrocution section are one tick short, right? https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Status_Effects#Electrocution

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:46 PM

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that's an excellent question 🤔

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 5:47 PM

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They're doing simple tick rate * duration * dmg per tick

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:47 PM

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I remember testing the damage for 36 and 48 damage, but it was quite a long time ago.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:48 PM

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i think M1000 would be best for testing it. Mod the "Electrocuting Focus Shots" OC from -25% to -200% focus shot damage so it only applies the DoT, and then count how many DoT applications it takes to kill various enemies

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 5:48 PM

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It'd take 3 for 48, 2 for 51 on a lootbug

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:49 PM

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Just testing it on a lootbug should be enough to see the damage difference.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 5:51 PM

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🤔 not really. 50 * 1.75 = 87.5, so both 48 and 51 would kill it

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it would need the -200% mod

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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BAH, haz1 mactera have 156.1 hp, and 60*1.75 + 51=156

glacial topaz Oct 23, 2020, 5:53 PM

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New milestones are just like all other mission ones ? Pretty sure they are still missing, as well as update values on total perk points

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 5:58 PM

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… 47.9±0,7 dmg for the electrocution of the gk2 wasn’t that one supposed to be default so 36?

austere fossil Oct 23, 2020, 6:01 PM

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bingo, base GK2 with electric reload should be 48/51 with one shot and then reload

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Totally forgot about GK2 electric reload

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 6:14 PM

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I checked for the M1000, shoothing a praet twice on haz1, there is no way there is one tick missing. I find 96.3 damage for the total of the two dots, ±2,3 damage. So here as well it match what we currently have on the wiki.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 6:31 PM

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ok, so Inferno DoT is coded a little differently than the Electrocute DoTs, then?

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and GK2 Electrocuting Reload needs to be updated to 4 sec?

shell frigate Oct 23, 2020, 6:34 PM

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The importance of testing proven

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 6:41 PM

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The GK2 now uses the M1000 STE file for the electrocution.

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That explain it.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 6:47 PM

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was that stealth-changed in U32?

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Not sure when it was changed, do you want me to check in older builds?

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I got full history up to u28.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 7:21 PM

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🤷‍♂️ meh, doesn't really matter when it was changed as long as it gets updated. if you can take the Wiki, i'll update karl.gg and my calculator

weary sonnet Oct 23, 2020, 7:23 PM

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gk2 electrocution added to the status page and weapon page.

floral drift Oct 23, 2020, 7:37 PM

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i updated karl, too 👍

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on my to-do for 1.0.6

stark tulip Oct 23, 2020, 8:36 PM

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@low hamlet about the mission type randomization thing
it seems that the weekly priority assignment has randomized missions too
someone in #drg-gallery posted an image where they got three egg hunts for it and they say it's not edited
I'd say this calls for some more investigation

low hamlet Oct 23, 2020, 8:40 PM

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i have an idea

craggy wraith Oct 24, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Is the Updated template meant to squish the entire page over to the side like this?

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glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 1:49 AM

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interesting that it isn't easy to notice if you read the wiki like me, with only half-screen

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also, the template has <div style="float:right;"> is that related ?

craggy wraith Oct 24, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Probably, I'm assuming it was meant to just go above the infobox, not sure why it's not working though

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I added an extra empty line between that template and the start of the infobox and that fixed it 🤔

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 1:52 AM

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anything else broke ?

craggy wraith Oct 24, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Doesn't look like it

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Guess those two templates kind of conflict

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The Float right is what makes it be on the right hand side of the page

craggy wraith Oct 24, 2020, 1:55 AM

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Yeah looks like it conflicts with any infoboxtables on the right, maybe add an extra line to the template itself?

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Can see it on the Creatures and Space Rig pages as well

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 1:57 AM

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Am looking into it now

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 2:23 AM

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Tried moving it out the way with CSS, it did not want to play nice

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shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 3:01 AM

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Okay, I've waved the magic CSS wand and it should hopefully all be fine now

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Sconk

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 3:23 AM

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seems to make sense, would really like to confirm it though

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 3:25 AM

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a lot of types of alcohol can cause hallucinations

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 3:27 AM

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well, to start "Absinthe has often been portrayed as a dangerously addictive psychoactive drug and hallucinogen. The chemical compound thujone, which is present in the spirit in trace amounts, was blamed for its alleged harmful effects"

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 3:38 AM

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¯_(ツ)_/¯

radiant edge Oct 24, 2020, 5:17 AM

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Anyone know if armor breaking is calculated individually for each warthog pellet? Trying to determine if it might be worth picking armor breaking shells for t4

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:00 AM

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@low hamlet wh... why is your browser font set to Comic Sans?

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 6:01 AM

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because i like it :)
it's easier to read

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idk why people hate it

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:07 AM

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I'm pretty sure this violates the Geneva convention or something

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 6:14 AM

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the what?

plush night Oct 24, 2020, 6:19 AM

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The Geneva suggestion*

hexed light Oct 24, 2020, 6:34 AM

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Does anyone know, where I can find out:

Is DRG (the corp) ran by humans that exploit dwarves, or by dwarves?
Are humans a thng in-unverse at all, a majority, a minority?
Is there mention of any other place except Hoxxes4 and the spacerig?
Are there
- multiple rigs in orbit hosting hundreds of miners OR
- multiple idenical levels on the one SpaceRig hosting hundreds of miners OR
- there's only 4 miners AT A TIME on the one spacerig DRG owns in orbit of Hoxxes 4 (and our playthroughs are just set apart in time/non-canon, like in Overwatch)?
Is there any mention of a dwarven homeworld, culture or civilistaion outside or DRG?

Is there anywhere where I can discuss these (and find people willing to discuss it)?

floral drift Oct 24, 2020, 6:46 AM

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@radiant edge according to Elythnwaen's tests, yes shotguns have their Armor Breaking calculated per-pellet

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so if there are 8 pellets in the shot, it's 8 individual rolls to break the Light Armor plate

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if any of the pellets do get good RNG and break the pellet, then all pellets after it do full damage. if you have the Armor Break mods equipped, then the pellet that breaks it will do full damage too

radiant edge Oct 24, 2020, 6:52 AM

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Hmmm, so that means even with armor breaking, a pellet still doesn't have a 100% change to break it

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Well that's unfortunate

floral drift Oct 24, 2020, 6:58 AM

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Scout's Boomstick with T1.B and T4.B hits 100% AB exactly 😏

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 8:21 AM

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Is it possible to extract the info about the new core cosmetics from the game files?

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I'd like to start updating the unlock tracker

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 8:27 AM

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What exactly do you need?

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 8:40 AM

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The 11 new matrix core cosmetic items

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 8:41 AM

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Eh, you could unlock them in forge in experimental, that would be much faster

ionic arch Oct 24, 2020, 10:07 AM

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@weary sonnet 1.5m is still the maximum damage radius for pgl, right?

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does that change with hyper propellant?

weak cedar Oct 24, 2020, 10:23 AM

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Are there any OCs/Mods that effect the digging ablity of bulldog?

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 10:25 AM

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I doubt it

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But I'm not bulldog player so you can't rely on my words

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 10:34 AM

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https://youtu.be/0NpLd2NGKuI?t=6402 confirmation for RJ250 Compound mechanics, in case we need a source later

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Don't mind me, I'm just using this channel as a notepad at this point 😅

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 1:54 PM

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Is wiki responsible for advanced digging into game mechanics or being a place with everything a common player might need is enough?

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 1:58 PM

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neither

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 3:05 PM

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@hexed light all of these things are just speculation and theories. there is no real answer to any of those questions.

hexed light Oct 24, 2020, 3:32 PM

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Well aware. But I posted the same thing on Reddit and got some fantastic feedback nontheless 🙂

simple mesa Oct 24, 2020, 5:14 PM

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can someone confirm me what the Deep Dive reward you at the 3rd stage when you have all already? It's a blank or mineral cache?

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Blank

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 5:16 PM

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I have some... questions to the RU localization team
https://images-ext-1.discordapp.net/external/gIpJ_4Ddu_yc20GLrR8at_uD5d9PZO7DnvEXzujgexk/https/i.imgur.com/pokoXtX.png

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Goddamn pointy-eared memelovers

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 5:16 PM

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#babelfish-lounge

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Oops, sorry

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 5:16 PM

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Np

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 5:19 PM

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heh

thorny sand Oct 24, 2020, 5:23 PM

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What does it translate to?

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 5:33 PM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/407086800075489281/769613314677276722

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:43 PM

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Which of these affect Doretta's speed: dwarves in her vicinity or bugs in her vicinity?

analog rock Oct 24, 2020, 6:43 PM

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dwarves

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Then the wiki could use a clearer wording, perhaps?

The Drilldozer's speed is determined by how many Creatures are nearby. The more Creatures are present, the slower it will move, leaving it vulnerable to attack. Because of this, it is very important to stay near the Drilldozer to keep Creatures at bay and repair it quickly when it takes damage.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Escort_Duty

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 6:46 PM

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thonk

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 6:49 PM

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Which part is confusing ?

sand lantern Oct 24, 2020, 6:50 PM

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Yoskin said that that part and Azerty's words are opposite

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:51 PM

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I had one person argue with me that, based on the quoted text, it's the bug count that affects the speed, not the drawf count

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 6:51 PM

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Where does it say dwarf count

acoustic scarab Oct 24, 2020, 6:52 PM

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Nowhere, that's the thing. "Creature" is ambiguous enough that it can be taken as "dwarf" or "alien bug", depending.

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Well, actually, it says "the slower it will move", so I'll go and point that person to that

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Logically, Creature has to mean enemy

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 6:56 PM

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what about lootbugs ? maggots ? hulli ?

bold plover Oct 24, 2020, 7:02 PM

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It is both that affects speed.

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If all dwarves stay away it slows down so you can do machine events or whatever, slows down when enemies are surrounding it (limited amount can aggro the drilldozer at a time).

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 7:05 PM

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😐

austere fossil Oct 24, 2020, 7:11 PM

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@shell frigate @simple mesa pretty sure you get mineral cores when you have all OCs and cosmetics for Stage 3 of DD/EDD. I had everything for a few weeks before U32.

simple mesa Oct 24, 2020, 7:14 PM

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@austere fossil so stage 2 you had a Blank and 3 a Mineral?

austere fossil Oct 24, 2020, 7:14 PM

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Yes

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Which is fine by me, you'd have to try pretty hard to run out of cosmetics before OCs, and I'm not sure anyone would. Just means one less ME you have to find if you actually want the mineral cores.

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 7:17 PM

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Checking screenshots but they all are just after stage 2

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So just show the 2 blanks

simple mesa Oct 24, 2020, 7:18 PM

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^you remember having mineral cores to craft? They rare if you don't count ME

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I do but I also don't do deep dives very often now

austere fossil Oct 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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I still have some mineral cores, they cost 600 credits to forge

shy spire Oct 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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what are bittergems

shell frigate Oct 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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So got most if not all from ME

simple mesa Oct 24, 2020, 7:19 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Bittergem

glacial topaz Oct 24, 2020, 10:03 PM

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@simple mesa I saw you marked the U32 mission tasks as done, but the credits and experience page don't have them at all, are you planning to add them ?
On another note both of their pages don't have the payout listed, and guessing images are wanted for the new missions?

simple mesa Oct 24, 2020, 10:56 PM

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^ feel free to complete 👍 will take a look later otherwise good catch

tiny burrow Oct 24, 2020, 11:14 PM

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anyone know if there's a wiki entry or otherwise pics of the new headgear from the cores in the update?

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 11:23 PM

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not yet

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soon :)

tiny burrow Oct 24, 2020, 11:23 PM

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ok thanks

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I think I saw a pic of some head wrap thing that looked cool but cant find it

low hamlet Oct 24, 2020, 11:24 PM

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yep. im not sure what it's called but it's a matrix core unlock

simple mesa Oct 25, 2020, 12:20 AM

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@shell frigate about https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Credits where did you get these values? for example it's say 200 Mokite: 450$ when ingame a 200 Mokite 100% is 900$ 🤔

glacial topaz Oct 25, 2020, 12:24 AM

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are you counting the hazard bonus ?

stark tulip Oct 25, 2020, 12:24 AM

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is overall credit payout affected by hazard bonus?

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the difficulty scaling page only mentions gold

glacial topaz Oct 25, 2020, 12:25 AM

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based on what GoldMath said, yes ?

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 12:27 AM

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Those were taking the payout from the end of a mission and undoing the hazard mod

simple mesa Oct 25, 2020, 12:33 AM

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isn't more accurate to just pick the 100% value in the mission map?

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 12:34 AM

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Unless they changed it not at all

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Since that has the Length & Complexity bonus baked in

austere fossil Oct 25, 2020, 12:35 AM

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haz4 isn't "100% of the rewards", it's +100%, aka 200%

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 12:35 AM

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Yeah

austere fossil Oct 25, 2020, 12:36 AM

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and you can't just include the length/complexity %s because haz level hazard bonus is additive with length/complexity, not multiplicative

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so if you displayed a length/comp. 2 credit amount and someone wanted to know how much they'd get from doing it on haz4 they'd have to first divide those values by 1.4, and then multiply the lot by 2.4

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So just display the base rewards and let the reader/user add their favorite haz level's hazard bonus to the length/comp and etc etc

stable valley Oct 25, 2020, 12:40 PM

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Hey guys. I just had a major existential crisis. On the wikipedia it says the epc cannot deal weakpoint damage. A point which my friend insisted on. I beleive this to longer be accurate. Currently it takes 4 shots base to kill a mactera spawn on haz 5. That is from the weakpoint scalar of 3, and the split damage which is part electrical dealing an extra 50%. It would otherwise take 11 shots. Halp

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 2:25 PM

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Maybe it is fixed, will have to be retested

sand lantern Oct 25, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Try killing exploder with epc

glacial topaz Oct 25, 2020, 2:44 PM

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why not just use on grunts heads / mouths

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 4:01 PM

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EPC regular shots can deal weakpoint damage, EPC charged shots cannot

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this is easily verifiable by just shooting grunts in the face

silent sierra Oct 25, 2020, 4:16 PM

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I always thought that the direct damage of the charge shot could deal weakpoint damage as well. Is that incorrect?
I guess I could go check with a Goo Bomber or something.

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 4:19 PM

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I think any AoE can't do weakpoint damage

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Charged Shot does both Direct and Area damage, just like PGL with Spiky Grenade or Hyper Propellant. that said, to the best of my knowledge the Direct Damage portion doesn't benefit from weakpoint bonuses (just like Hyper Propellant before U32). i haven't done extensive testing to verify that, so if you find evidence that Charged Shots' Direct Damage can get Weakpoint Bonuses, please let me know 🙂

silent sierra Oct 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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A possible test could be a hazard 1 goo bomber in solo. It has effectively 360 health, so an EPC with both AOE upgrades should one shot it with the weakpoint damage if it benefits. 90*3 for direct and then 90 area damage for a total of 360 before accounting for the fire weakness.

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Now the question is if Goo Bombers even show up in hazard 1.

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 4:40 PM

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good idea, i'll go give that a try

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on 3/3 goo bombers i have been unable to one-hit kill with EPC's charged shot doing 90+90

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i'll keep testing, but so far this evidence supports "charged shots not getting Weakpoints"

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yeah, it's pretty conclusive: Regular Shots gain the Weakpoint multipliers, Charged Shots do not.

silent sierra Oct 25, 2020, 4:53 PM

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Yeah, I got a chance to run some comparisons myself and it definitely looks like the charged shots don’t benefit from weakpoints.

austere fossil Oct 25, 2020, 5:05 PM

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@floral drift where is everyone getting the idea that hyper propellant didn't benefit from weakpoints pre-U32? Just the patch notes?

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:10 PM

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For EPC charged shot, they have a special modifier in the files that set their Weakpoint Damage Multiplier to 0.
As for HP, I am pretty sure it always could benefit from weakpoints.

austere fossil Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM

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I'm cutting together a clip of me taking 2/3 of a solo haz5 critical weakness dread's hp bar in a single hyper prop, from January 2020

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 5:12 PM

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yes, i was referencing the U32 patch notes saying that HP "now" benefits

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if you say it always had, i'll believe you

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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Anyone know what happen when the radius is smaller than the max damage radius?

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 5:13 PM

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i had already been modeling HP in my program as if it benefitted from WP, so glad to have double-confirmation

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Hyper Propellant could be used to test that, Elyth. just mod T5.B to do -385 instead of +60, and you're left with a 110 Area damage in a 0.3m radius, < 1.5m max dmg radius

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:15 PM

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I can even mod the 1.5 max dmg radius to be wider, but I am not sure how to test it. Or what to expect if it works or not.

austere fossil Oct 25, 2020, 5:15 PM

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for reference, this was recorded on January 5th, 2020

📎 pre-U32_hyper_prop_benefits_from_weakpoints.mp4

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i would expect it to just do max dmg everywhere, since it would be within maxdmg radius

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:21 PM

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I will just mod the max damage to 10m to test it then.

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Well it looks like the smaller radius take priority in this case.

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Area Damage: 120
Damage Radius: 3 m
Max Damage Radius: 20 m
MinDmgPct: 15%

And in the end anything without 3 m take 120 damage.

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I will check without HP just in case.

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Confirmed, if the damage radius is smaller than the max damage, you do full damage in a radius equal to the damage radius.

floral drift Oct 25, 2020, 5:37 PM

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as expected ✅

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:38 PM

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@weary sonnet 1.5m is still the maximum damage radius for pgl, right?
does that change with hyper propellant?
@ionic arch
The maximum damage radius is the same.
If the damage radius is smaller than the max damage radius for any reason, you will do full damage inside the damage radius and no damage between the damage radius and max damage radius.

glacial topaz Oct 25, 2020, 5:38 PM

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oh, wait, did pgl max dmg radius changed ?

ionic arch Oct 25, 2020, 5:38 PM

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makes perfect sense, thanks

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:39 PM

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No it didn’t. It was already 1.5 m in U31 I think.

glacial topaz Oct 25, 2020, 5:39 PM

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good

weary sonnet Oct 25, 2020, 5:46 PM

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I added that special case to the wiki’s Area Damage page.

acoustic scarab Oct 25, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Hmm, apparently Drill-by Shooting isn't host-exclusive.

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Today we played in a team of 4 and a friend of mine got this achievement while being a client

shell frigate Oct 25, 2020, 10:36 PM

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Yeah it's an odd one only seems like one person can get it a mission

analog rock Oct 25, 2020, 11:08 PM

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No, Fakiyo and I got it in the same mission (he was host), but it only appeared when the game was shut off.

tiny wedge Oct 26, 2020, 1:35 AM

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can someone get someone to append the wiki link to the channel topic?

it would save me people a click

scenic torrent Oct 26, 2020, 6:56 AM

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i condensed all the wiki data referring to experience in a small guide, if anyone is interested

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https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2268295288

Steam Community :: Guide :: Experience Guide for DeepRockGalactic (...

This easy reference guide covers all experience related stuff in DeepRockGalactic, from missions and cargo chests to monsters and modifier bonus!

The information helped me to reach high ranks and t

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 2:44 PM

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hey team, new things for U32, going to add them on the list

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going to cross out the ones that GoldMath already did btw

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only, one thing "Ebonite Glyphids that spawn after the Machine Event has finished will now immediately burrow and disappear" can you still tame them just fine ? otherwise I will change the text to say it isn't possible

bold plover Oct 26, 2020, 3:01 PM

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If you bring it out of the explosion range it should be alright.

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 3:03 PM

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did you do it after today's patch ?

stark tulip Oct 26, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I updated that just now
I assume the taming itself still works if you do it during the event
you just can't keep them afterward anymore

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it could use some confirmation though

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 6:18 PM

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Nice to see they fixed the M1000 armor bug

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 6:33 PM

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there's been a long-standing question about how Ricochets and Penetrations interact. Dagadegatto was kind enough to look into it, and according to the code he looked at ricochets do not consume penetrations. that means they are additive; the 1 ricochet from Bullet Hell could in theory hit a 3rd target by penetrating the target it ricocheted to into another one behind it in a straight line.

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 6:35 PM

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So the ricocheted bullet is different from the one before the ricochet?

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otherwise wouldn't it need to actively refresh the penetrations?

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 6:37 PM

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i would expect it to be coded such that the number of penetrations + ricochets are calculated when the hitscan path is determined

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it just continues its path until it hits something, checks if its an enemy. if so, it checks for ricochet. if ricochet roll fails, then it consumes a penetration and adds one to the tally.

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if it hits terrain, checks for ricochet. if RNG roll succeeds, it continues the same hitscan path but directed toward nearest enemy

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and then the same penetration check

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this was not confirmed; all of that was just speculation

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 6:39 PM

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right, bullet hell can ricochet off enemies

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was thinking of Magic Bullets and "can only ricochet on terrain"

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 6:40 PM

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bullet hell has 50% ricochet off terrain too

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 6:42 PM

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so yeah, you do the "consume 1 penetration" twice for the same bullet, but it only has the 1

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It's

continues the same hitscan path
that's tripping me up, since if it were the "same" path then it would remember the consumed penetration

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it sounds to me like

hit and pen, hit and ricochet, hit
is still a valid sequence

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as well as

hit and ricochet, hit and pen, hit

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Your description/speculation makes it sound like a 4 hit is possible

hit and pen, hit and ricochet, hit and pen, hit

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 6:53 PM

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pseudo-code of how i think it works:

hitscan(double ricochetEnemy, double ricochetTerrain, int maxPenetrations){
  numTargetsHit = 0;
  currentImpactObject;
  while (numTargets < 1 + maxPenetrations){
    currentImpactObject = hitscanPath.getNextObjectHitInPath()
    if (ricochetTerrain > 0 && currentImpactObject == terrain){
      if (RNG() < ricochetTerrain){
        hitscanPath.changeTrajectory(world.nearestEnemy())
      }
    }
    else if (ricochetEnemy > 0 && currentImpactObject == enemy){
      currentImpactObject.dealDirectDamage()
      if (RNG() < ricochetEnemy){
        hitscanPath.changeTrajectory(world.nearestEnemy())
      }
    }
    else if (currentImpactObject == enemy){
      currentImpactObject.dealDirectDamage()
      numTargetsHit++
    }
    else {
      // No enemies hit, no ricochet off terrain. End hitscan pathfinding.
      break
    }
  }
}

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if that's truly how it works under the hood, then in a perfect world of good RNG rolls Ricochets have a chance to hit "infinite" number of enemies while consuming zero penetrations

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so, the number of penetrations is stored as a variable per hitscan pathfind, and it only increments when ricochet rolls fail && hits enemy

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however, in most cases where RNG fails to proc two ricochets in a row, i would expect it to hit a max num targets of 1 + ricochet + penetrations

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 6:58 PM

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That's also assuming no MaxRicochets exists like MaxPenetrations does

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 6:58 PM

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correct. it's possible there is a MaxRicochets, but i don't have knowledge of it

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Yeah, I'm getting it all now. The disconnect was my technically baseless assumption that it could only ricochet once. Gives me a mod idea for testing that...

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 7:18 PM

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I'm fairly certain it can only ricochet once, would be pretty noticeable if it didn't, especially with a 50% roll each time

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It's just that with blowthrough, I would assume it would provide you with at best 2 rolls, first whenever you hit the bug and the second whenever you hit the terrain through the bug (if the first failed)

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:20 PM

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we already checked the extra ricochet here

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:20 PM

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what were the results, Omega?

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:22 PM

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iirc it will only happen once, since it was tested by having dozens of enemies next to each other, and none of the LS bullets hit 3 of them, I could find the post again if you want

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:24 PM

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please do. i want to find as much evidence as possible 🙂

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🎉 SCIENCE 🎉

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:27 PM

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while I look for it, just confirm again for me, you can only use ebonite grunts to help you while the event is going on, NOT after, right ?

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:28 PM

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to the best of my knowledge, Ebonite enemies despawn when event ends no matter their distance.

stark tulip Oct 26, 2020, 7:29 PM

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all they did with hotfix 3 was make any ebonites despawn if they happen to spawn after the event ends

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so in theory, if there's still a bug that would prevent ebonites being killed when the event ends, that would allow ebonite Steeves to exist after it

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:31 PM

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but I guess it is fine to remove the tip saying to tame them ?

stark tulip Oct 26, 2020, 7:31 PM

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given this change, it appears that any ebonites existing after the event is unintended

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I already changed the tip

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:31 PM

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on another note I have no idea of where to find it, just that it was someone from here that tested it, but not sure what was the channel, or if it was on DMs, let me try more Dms

stark tulip Oct 26, 2020, 7:32 PM

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I used the information someone provided before about ebonites not being as useful as the original tip claims

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they're immune to any non-melee friendly fire but they have low health

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I assume that melee damage dealt by creatures damages ebonites, though that could use some testing as well

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:38 PM

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there we go , search it if you want to read more or something

📎 unknown.png

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:45 PM

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i just did some tests with the help of Elyth's mods, and Trigger can verify: there seems to be a hidden value of MaxRicochets = 1

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it's for sure on Bullet Hell, but it's reasonable to infer that it's on all ricochets

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 7:48 PM

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Do you know if ricochet takes priority over penetration, or is it the other way around?

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:49 PM

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i dont know which has priority. but given that Dagadegatto said that ricochets don't consume penetrations, i would expect it to do ricochet checks before penetrations.

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I'm also wondering if bullet hell only lets you ricochet once, or only lets you roll to ricochet once

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Would probably be hell to test

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:54 PM

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the test that i did had modded BH to have 100% ricochet chance, and it only ever ricocheted once. either from enemy into enemy, or from terrain into enemy.

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 7:55 PM

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I mean like if you hit an enemy, and you fail the 50% roll to ricochet, would it perform another 50% roll after the bullet penetrates it and hits another enemy/terrain?

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 7:56 PM

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i would expect it to keep rolling the ricochet until either it gets consumed or the hitscan path ends

glacial topaz Oct 26, 2020, 7:59 PM

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wait, penetration is not a priority ?

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 8:00 PM

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MeatShield can test that with the mods he's currently using, fire upwards at naedocyte shockers and if it ricochets into another naedo then rico is priority

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(since if pen was priority then it'd penetrate and continue into a distant wall first, and then try to rico into something over there)

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 8:02 PM

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i'll go test that now

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ricochet clearly has priority over blowthrough -- it's changing the hitscan path as soon as it hits the shocker

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after some further testing, i see no evidence that after a bullet has ricocheted and used its penetration that it gets a second ricochet roll. this supports the MaxRicochets = 1 hypothesis even further

radiant edge Oct 26, 2020, 8:31 PM

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So damn hard to test if it'll ricochet after failing the first time and consuming a penetration

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Can't tell if the bullet is ricocheting off the enemy or the terrain underneath/behind it

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Maybe I need a better lineup

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 8:33 PM

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need a close by target and a far away one so successful penetrations on the nearby target go into nothing, and you just need the the penetrated shots to hit terrain near the far target

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 8:34 PM

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i found the most effective test was to equip BH and T3.C, spawn two enemies, and then shoot the wall on one side of the two enemies. this guarantees to consume the ricochet (on the wall), then consume the penetration (passing through nearest enemy), and test if the second enemy would have another ricochet (if the hitscan path continued through the second enemy)

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in all instances when that chain of events happened, the hitscan path stopped on the second enemy. if ricochet reset after penetration, it would have continued on its way through the second enemy

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 8:35 PM

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That's not what they're testing.

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They're testing if it's MaxRicochets or MaxRicochetChances

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If the latter, then you wouldn't be able to

hit enemy-fail rico-penetrate -> hit terrain-succeed rico -> hit enemy

floral drift Oct 26, 2020, 8:39 PM

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ah. i would have to take off the 100% BH to test that

austere fossil Oct 26, 2020, 8:41 PM

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yeah, ideally you'd have two brood nexuses within line of sight but far enough apart to not be able to ricochet between the 2

Shoot through one at the ground/wall next to the other, check if the second ever takes damage

ruby tinsel Oct 26, 2020, 11:33 PM

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Been trying to search this all day, but nobody is telling me anything, so I'll try here. I saw the pumpkin helmet from last Halloween event. I was wondering if we are still able to obtain this somehow? I am a new player to the game this year and don't see the pumpkin helmet for sale or anywhere else. Did Coffee Stain decide not to include the pumpkin helmet this year? Because if so, that makes me depressed.

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The demon mask is ok, but it's no pumpkin.

shell frigate Oct 26, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Pretty sure Other than the special event at 1.0 all hats are only obtainable at the time they are introduced

bold plover Oct 27, 2020, 1:10 AM

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Last Halloween had the pumpkin and the witch hat at the same time.

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:46 AM

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@weary sonnet sorry to poke again but I'd like to know more about heat caps

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i'm not sure which creatures have a higher cap than their burn point

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and grunts/guards/slashers, to clarify it's exactly 2x their heat point of burn?

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 9:43 AM

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Has anyone calculated dwarves' height yet?

analog rock Oct 27, 2020, 9:54 AM

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1.5m in the engine, iIrc

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 9:55 AM

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Gonna check it later the other way

alpine hamlet Oct 27, 2020, 10:10 AM

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I was just made aware of a huge oversight.
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Experience
We don't know how much EXP one surplus fester flea gives!

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Experience

Experience is an essential element of progression in Deep Rock Galactic. Level ups will unlock the ability to purchases Upgrades and Vanity items, allowing players to attempt greater challenges with new or improved abilities and equipment.

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Oh the noes!

plush night Oct 27, 2020, 10:45 AM

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Wasn't it 1.4m, calculated with the pgl cannon radius ?

winter veldt Oct 27, 2020, 12:03 PM

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Does anyone know how long minigun takes to reach max stabilization? For variable chamber pressure upgrade and such

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Also do weapons like the grenade launcher do both direct and aoe damage to a target if hit directly or just direct damage

analog rock Oct 27, 2020, 12:14 PM

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You have adirect damage mod on the 5th tier. The hyperpropellant OC also allows that.

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In both cases, you will keep the AoE damage.

winter veldt Oct 27, 2020, 12:17 PM

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Yeah I was just looking at all these numbers and I assumed that must be the case. Don't suppose you know anything about the minigun?

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 12:26 PM

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screenshot driller with a 15m CRSPR and see what is the relation of the flame distance vs his height

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 12:45 PM

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Well...

📎 unknown.png

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According to wiki .50 is 138mm long. 138mm*5.75=793.5mm or almost 0.8m

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~~These rounds are probably just a little bit oversize~~

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:14 PM

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so

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minigun says it actually shoots 1 bullet per 2 bullet cost

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doesnt this make it completely useless in total damage'

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or atleast super vague

austere fossil Oct 27, 2020, 2:15 PM

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12,000 potential damage on just the base gun is far from useless

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:15 PM

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fair

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:15 PM

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2400 actually being 1200 is far from useless yeah

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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but from the expected read 24000

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it's low

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2400*

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bruh lol

austere fossil Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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but yes, it is a recurring pain point that it lists misleading numbers

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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it's just so super vague to me, why not just actually tell us what it is

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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it's been brought up a few times

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haha

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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i mean appearently game cant handle rof over 20

versed tiger Oct 27, 2020, 2:16 PM

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because big numbers are cooler, as stated before by devs, iirc

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:17 PM

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just half it's firerate and half the ammo?

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it looks way better

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:17 PM

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i think they went with that already

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but realized it didn't look cool

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:17 PM

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i dont give a damn lmao

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can i like

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mod my game to like display it correctly

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cuz i'm that annoyed at it

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:17 PM

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instead of a tooltip lie

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:18 PM

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wdym by that

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i'm like half braindead with this

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wdym

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it shoots 15 bullets a second

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not 30 for me

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tap fired it and only saw 1 bullet per 2

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:19 PM

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aha

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:19 PM

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even the wiki says so

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NOTE: Although the weapon's stats indicate that it is capable of firing 30 rounds per second, it is a common misconception that the weapon is capable of outputting as much damage as it describes. In actual gameplay, the Minigun has half the effective amount of bullets; this means that for every 2 ammo the gun uses, only 1 bullet is fired out, and only 1 bullet's worth of damage is being dealt.

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:19 PM

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so it's just a tooltip lie

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(╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:19 PM

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can i fix it at all lol

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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it says 2400 on the gun itself too, right

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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yea

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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well obviously

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yeah lol

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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📎 unknown.png

ionic arch Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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no, like on the model

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dumb question

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:20 PM

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eh?

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oh yea

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the actual gun states it aswell

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i dont use ingame ammo count hud piece

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only gun ammo count

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why was it even done this way

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yea bigger number means cooler

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still dont make sense

acoustic scarab Oct 27, 2020, 2:28 PM

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Maybe the gun can't actually fire that fast.

stoic wraith Oct 27, 2020, 2:29 PM

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reality can be whatever i want

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📎 unknown.png

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xD

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they dont give my ammo

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i still make sure i get my ammo

plush night Oct 27, 2020, 2:33 PM

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Where can I find all the voicelines related to lootbugs ? Are they somewhere on the wiki ?

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 2:39 PM

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@sand lantern Dwarves’ heigth is 1.5m.
The dwarf half height is used in one of the variables in the game, I could confirm it that way.
You could check it with the terrain scanner at some point (not sure if you still can), knowing that the terrain scanner’s origin is exactly at the center of the dwarf’s head.

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@ionic arch No clue about the heat cap, I will need to do plenty of test to figure that out.
That question was part of the batch of questions we asked to the devs about 2 month ago, we are still waiting for an answer.

So far I didn’t find anything in the game’s variable that allow me to figure out the rules behind that.
For the freeze temperature, from the small amount of test I did the cold cap seems to be either the freeze temperature or 3× the freeze temperature, so we can expect something similar for the burn temperature, but so far I didn’t do any proper test to check the heat cap on creatures, all I know is that it is different from the burn temperature.

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:27 PM

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Does anyone know how long minigun takes to reach max stabilization? For variable chamber pressure upgrade and such
@winter veldt yes. it's tied to Rate of Fire. the direct answer is

t = 3 / (0.2 * (RoF / 2) - 1)

to explain how to get to that answer, it might be faster to read the Accuracy page ( https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Accuracy ). suffice to say, it needs to have its Current Spread value be at least 3, it gains 0.2 per shot, and loses 1 per second.

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and then RoF needs to be halved from the displayed value in order to be correct

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:34 PM

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A few months ago I asked if there's a reason behind spitballer cluster waking up
Looks like bugs have field of view measured in meters which now allows me to say that probably a bug can be triggered with a dwarf or a triggered bug. Probably something like that works for spitballers as well

winter veldt Oct 27, 2020, 4:38 PM

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Alright thanks for the explanation @floral drift

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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But what does

          "Property": "IsBulletSpongeEnemy",
          "Type": "BoolProperty",
          "Offset": 8671,
          "Size": 0,
          "Array Index": 0,
          "Tag Data": true,
          "Value Offset": 8695```
mean?

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:41 PM

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is it found on spitballers, oppressors, and dreadnoughts?

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:43 PM

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Spits yes

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Checking for others...

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Dreadnought true

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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guess #1: it's a flag that they have the Unbreakable Damage-immune Armor

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:46 PM

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Surprisingly no for both praet and oppressor

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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well, that discounts my guess

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oppressors would have it too if it was the UBDI Armor flag

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 4:47 PM

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what about bulks

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if the unbreakable armor assumption is true, crassus would have it

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:48 PM

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I thought it was for enemies that have health rather than "you shoot, you don't miss, you did your job", you know, UE isn't DRG only

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Do spitballers have unbreakable armor?

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Yes for bulk and couldn't find for crassus — most likely this variable is hooked from base template (which is simple bulk)

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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they do
their base

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:50 PM

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yeah, it's at the bottom. wiki has a picture of it

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:51 PM

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So it's "armor can't be shoved off" rather than "has unbreakable armor"?

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 4:52 PM

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regular bulks don't have armor though

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Probably it's "Simple skin without armor will act as bullet sponge" then

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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🤔 maybe BulletSponge is used as a flag for enemy spawning -- it can't spawn too many of them in the map or per wave

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 4:54 PM

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then why would static enemies spawned with the map have it

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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for the cave generation

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i've never seen more than 5 spitballers, 4 brood nexuses, or 3 naedocyte breeders generated in a cave

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:55 PM

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4 breeders were once for me

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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it makes me think that there's some artificial "don't spawn as many of these things" flag

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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if it's with the cave gen, that can easily be controlled

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:56 PM

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maybe "BulletSponge" is the name?

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Can someone have a quick test of how much damage needs to be applied onto spitballer skin for it to die?

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No weakpoint shooting

floral drift Oct 27, 2020, 4:58 PM

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that should be just the hp listed, right?

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if not hitting weakpoint or the armor at the base

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 4:59 PM

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Alright, testing it myself then

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Nope, wiki's "360" hp totally works with 6 shots of 60 dmg M1k

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So I'd stick to your theory

simple mesa Oct 27, 2020, 7:08 PM

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@stark tulip Hello, I will revert your change on the Weekly Assignments, this layout seems too confusing and space hungry (as big as the Conquer!); there is already in the table and description an indication that the pool of missions are random and if we follow that guideline we should do the same on the Core Hunt. Thanks!

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 8:45 PM

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ok
then how do we show that the missions are randomized

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because I'm sure people won't read the text above and assume that the missions are always the same as in the table

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maybe we could create some kind of "any mission type" thing

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 9:11 PM

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rip images, just don't put anything on mission type , or just say "Any"

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:16 PM

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For the IsBulletSpongeEnemy here is the list of enemy with that tag if you are still looking for it:
Huiili Hoarder, Brood Nexus, Goo Bomber, Grabber, Spitball Infector, BET-C, Bulk Detonator, Menace, Dreadnought, Praetorian (it is in the base praet file, so all variants and Oppressor probably inherit it, it could be verified with UUU if needed, I have the getall command).

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 9:17 PM

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something to do with blowthrough rounds ?

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:18 PM

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That could be something like that, an anti pierce / ricochet or something along theses lines indeed.

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 9:20 PM

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oh it says example

shell frigate Oct 27, 2020, 9:20 PM

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May just be something for the AI managing what gets spawned

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 9:21 PM

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spitball / brood is stationary though

shell frigate Oct 27, 2020, 9:22 PM

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And they still needed to be spawned even if only at the start of the mission

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:22 PM

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^ their spawn group/condition is already defined afaik.

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Not like I know everything about spawn, I don’t.

shell frigate Oct 27, 2020, 9:23 PM

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May have something like only 15 bullet sponges active at once etc.

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:25 PM

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The thing is that bullet sponge thing is only present in the ene file and nowhere else unlike disruptive / stationary and all that appear in different kind of files.

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 9:25 PM

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might be unused

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:25 PM

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Well I can’t check any array/struct since I am limited by anything parsed by Approved parser but still.

shell frigate Oct 27, 2020, 9:27 PM

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?

weary sonnet Oct 27, 2020, 9:28 PM

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I searched for the tag IsBulletSpongeEnemy in all files since I parsed all of them to see if it was used in another place, but it is used only in the ENE_ files in the creature folder.

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Or I missed it if it was used elsewhere, but inside something that couldn’t be parsed.

sand lantern Oct 27, 2020, 9:47 PM

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Aka arrays

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Or structs, there isn't anything else noted by Approved as unreadable

low hamlet Oct 27, 2020, 10:05 PM

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maybe we could create some kind of "any mission type" thing
@stark tulip i could make a gif that goes through all the icons

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that could work

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 10:06 PM

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good idea!
are the resource rewards randomized as well?

low hamlet Oct 27, 2020, 10:06 PM

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i dont think so

stark tulip Oct 27, 2020, 10:08 PM

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the column header also says example

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I should do the assignment and see if I get croppa and jadiz

glacial topaz Oct 27, 2020, 10:09 PM

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We have been through that already

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Might be easier to fit all 7 symbols

low hamlet Oct 27, 2020, 10:58 PM

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how's this

📎 mission-gif.gif

shell frigate Oct 27, 2020, 10:59 PM

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1 in 10 chance to spawn lootbug from pumpkins - Amimoller

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And that looks good

low hamlet Oct 27, 2020, 11:03 PM

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ill have to test the gif on gp because it looks a bit weird

compact sail Oct 28, 2020, 2:31 AM

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📎 3.png

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does this mod increase sticky flame heat too?

floral drift Oct 28, 2020, 2:34 AM

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to the best of my knowledge, it does not

compact sail Oct 28, 2020, 2:35 AM

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ty

stark tulip Oct 28, 2020, 2:38 AM

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the minerals are in fact randomized as well

low hamlet Oct 28, 2020, 3:15 AM

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well this gif making has turned out to be a lot more painful than i expected

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it's close

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📎 ezgif-3-3e1b30e6dd1c.gif

bold plover Oct 28, 2020, 3:39 AM

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My poor photophobia.
https://tenor.com/view/reaction-my-eyes-gif-7225082

Tenor

blazing forge Oct 28, 2020, 5:29 AM

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does feedback loop on gunner thunderhead increase aoe dmg also

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or only direct

sand lantern Oct 28, 2020, 5:40 AM

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Afaik yes

floral drift Oct 28, 2020, 5:56 AM

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yes, Feedback Loop affects both Direct and Area damage on the Autocannon

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i did thorough testing of it

acoustic scarab Oct 28, 2020, 7:20 AM

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@low hamlet One-second delay was better, this is blinking way too fast.

mystic flame Oct 28, 2020, 7:26 AM

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Is the jury-rigged boomstick's blast wave's width based on the spread of the weapon?

floral drift Oct 28, 2020, 7:27 AM

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to the best of my knowledge, no.

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as far as i'm aware, it's a cone that's 4m long and has its base's radius = 1.5m (3m diameter circle at 4m from player)

mystic flame Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 AM

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so its essentially just a cylinder thats placed infront of the player that does 20 damage to everything in it?

floral drift Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 AM

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it's a cone, but yes.

mystic flame Oct 28, 2020, 7:30 AM

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i meant cone, sorry

weary sonnet Oct 28, 2020, 11:59 AM

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I can confirm that sticky flames heat isn’t affected by Triple Filtered Fuel.
Sticky flame heat value is 5 per tick and isn’t affected by anything so far.

sand lantern Oct 28, 2020, 12:01 PM

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Weren't there some special upgrades for sticky flames in U25?

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I can definetly remember sticky flame damage increase mod, there probably was something else

weary sonnet Oct 28, 2020, 12:03 PM

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There was a damage increase, duration increase and slow increase mod at some point, not sure if it was added during update 25 though. Afaik this update didn’t do anything that change sticky flames.

low hamlet Oct 28, 2020, 1:06 PM

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One-second delay was better, this is blinking way too fast.
@acoustic scarab yep i can change that

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nice pinged myself dderp lol

acoustic scarab Oct 28, 2020, 1:07 PM

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A couple months earlier I suggested a similar gif for random mineral rewards, but I think we settled on a hovertext tooltip

low hamlet Oct 28, 2020, 1:10 PM

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the gif is gonna work better for this one i think

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the problem i was having is photoshop was creating trash pixels on the sides of the icon that weren't on a flat plane

acoustic scarab Oct 28, 2020, 1:12 PM

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Aliasing artifacts, yes

low hamlet Oct 28, 2020, 1:13 PM

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so i decided to try a workaround with illustrator and it ended up getting rid of those trash pixels. i just have to make that artboard (which is the white background) transparent

acoustic scarab Oct 28, 2020, 1:13 PM

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They always ruin my low-effort DRG memes too

low hamlet Oct 28, 2020, 1:14 PM

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yeah. since illustrator uses vector images, it does something different with those pixels for some reason

glacial topaz Oct 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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oof, I was making the todo list just to read that

📎 unknown.png

weary sonnet Oct 28, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Well the info is public and should be there soon, adding it in the todo list with a (hotfix 5) between bracket should be fine.
I mean, we still have the patch note.

glacial topaz Oct 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

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since we aren't going to mess with it for now, doesn't matter much, but might be interesting to be aware of the changes that aren't 100% clear

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"Fixed spelling mistakes"

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 12:21 AM

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Does anyone know what it is about doretta that seems to ignite gases?

glacial topaz Oct 29, 2020, 12:23 AM

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for sure it is nothing else ?

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 12:23 AM

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throw a neuro at it and it explodes

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i'm just not sure which part of her is doing it

glacial topaz Oct 29, 2020, 12:24 AM

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while moving ? does it happen when stationary ?

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 12:24 AM

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Good question

stark tulip Oct 29, 2020, 12:25 AM

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I don't think that happens with praetorian death clouds

indigo kindle Oct 29, 2020, 7:54 AM

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Issue: currently the Error Cube page lists that there's a chance to receive an Error Cube from Halloween presents; either this was never the case even in the update which introduced Halloween (18.5) and it explicitly mentions chances to get Swarmers or a Lootbug, no Cubes; or the Update 18.5 page is wrong on that matter.

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 8:46 AM

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was it the christmas presents that dropped cubes?

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or both?

indigo kindle Oct 29, 2020, 10:31 AM

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Only Christmas presents, according to Wiki; Devs aren't sure themselves (source: my friend who even talking to Jacob in DM)

shell frigate Oct 29, 2020, 1:06 PM

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Pumpkins have 1 in 10 chance of a lootbug, otherwise swarmers

glacial topaz Oct 29, 2020, 1:10 PM

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are those changes correct ?

📎 unknown.png

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gonna work on the H5 later today, will see

low hamlet Oct 29, 2020, 1:23 PM

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not sure about that one omega

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ill have to look

weary sonnet Oct 29, 2020, 3:10 PM

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Extra Large is Dread and BET-C
Korlok should be Extra Large 2 since its scaling is slighly different.
Parasites (ie carnivorous larva) is normal scaling.

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Naedocyte Roe is normal scaling
For normal enemies Fester Flea may be missing
For large enemies Oppressor and Crassus Detonator are missing

glacial topaz Oct 29, 2020, 3:38 PM

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hmmm, it is for this page btw https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Difficulty_Scaling change was done by someone that rarely edits btw

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 10:39 PM

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is lighting the various gas clouds on fire explosive damage or fire damage?

glacial topaz Oct 29, 2020, 10:41 PM

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📎 unknown.png

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same for Neuro, Fire + Heat

tiny wedge Oct 29, 2020, 10:41 PM

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oh, beautiful, thank you

waxen estuary Oct 30, 2020, 2:53 AM

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m1 wiki page says the Hoverclock OC's duration depends on focus speed, but its outdated to U32

stark tulip Oct 30, 2020, 2:54 AM

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that's just the "potentially out of date" thing I think

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means the page hasn't been changed since the update

waxen estuary Oct 30, 2020, 2:55 AM

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hmm

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the page does say that its up to date at the top, but the Hoverclock test data is likely inaccurate, since the duration of Hoverclock depends on Focus Speed

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it lists differences between 100% Focus Speed stat and 160% Focus Speed stat, which was pre-32

signal meadow Oct 31, 2020, 10:51 AM

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Fellas and ladies, I had a quick look on the wiki and noticed that the broken resupply pods aren't mentioned anywhere as far as I know. I think it would be nice if someone snuck them into a trivia section for salvage operation or resupply pod page

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I see quite a lot of people confused by them

alpine hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 1:21 PM

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Hey guys, another quick question.
Did anybody ever check if the droppod mission depth is 'the same' for each biome? Like, is it totally random, or is magma core way deeper than another biome which is always just 500 meters down or so?

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 1:44 PM

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@signal meadow how's that?
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Resupply_Pod#Broken_Resupply_Pods

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and fakiyo, no idea. but it sure feels random. that seems like a check the game files kinda thing since collecting all those numbers would be painful

bold plover Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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I know it has a consistent 10.5 second land sequence.

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 3:51 PM

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yep

floral drift Oct 31, 2020, 4:08 PM

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@vernal raven what were the tests you had done for broken resupply pods? 60% of the time it gives one, 10% two, and 30% zero or something?

vernal raven Oct 31, 2020, 4:13 PM

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@floral drift 25% broken, 60% single resup, 15% double resup.

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sample size: 100 pods

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20 secs to repair by yourself

floral drift Oct 31, 2020, 4:19 PM

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thanks! i remembered you had done the testing so i wanted to save the time and just get the data from you

vernal raven Oct 31, 2020, 4:25 PM

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no problem

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yeah, I can imagine it would take forever without certain tools

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 4:53 PM

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awesome

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i'll add those things

craggy wraith Oct 31, 2020, 6:23 PM

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Broken Resupply Pods can generate in any mission. Isn't it just in Salvage?

analog rock Oct 31, 2020, 6:23 PM

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salvage only

craggy wraith Oct 31, 2020, 6:24 PM

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Thought so, I can fix that

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 7:13 PM

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ok :)

signal meadow Oct 31, 2020, 7:26 PM

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I still don't see anything about them in the link you sent turtle 🤔 Either I'm stupid or blind or both

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Ok, I see some info for salvage, that's good

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though it has some typos :p

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 7:59 PM

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i wrote that like 30 minutes after i woke up, so probably lol

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Anyone can help me with what changed text wise for the hotfix ? only one I fixed was the BC case ejector mod desc, but no idea about anything else

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 8:39 PM

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/Game/WeaponsNTools/Revolver/WPN_Revolver.WPN_Revolver_C:GetGearStatEntry [Script Bytecode]
Damage Vs Glyphid

/Game/WeaponsNTools/Drills/UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty.UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty.Name
Dynamic Stabilization

/Game/WeaponsNTools/ChargeBlaster/UPG_ChargeBlaster_E_Nightmare.UPG_ChargeBlaster_E_Nightmare.Description
A diffuse plasma makes the charged projectile pass through all enemies dealing damage in a wide sphere while it flies but it takes longer to charge up and no longer explodes on impact.

/Game/WeaponsNTools/BurstFirePistol/Overclocks/OC_BRT_MicroFlechettes_U.OC_BRT_MicroFlechettes_U.Name
Micro Flechettes

/Game/WeaponsNTools/_UpgradeCategories/UPC_BlowThrough.UPC_BlowThrough.CategoryDescription
Bullets with Blowthrough will penetrate through the first target and hit targets behind it.

/Game/WeaponsNTools/AssaultRifle/WPN_AssaultRifle.WPN_AssaultRifle_C:GetGearStatEntry [Script Bytecode]
Bonus Damage to Afflicted Targets

/Game/WeaponsNTools/LineCutter/UPG_LineCutter_C_ReloadSpeed.UPG_LineCutter_C_ReloadSpeed.Description
A heavily preloaded spring combined with a smaller latch shorten the time it takes to reload.

#. SourceLocation: /Game/WeaponsNTools/SawedOffShotgun/UPG_SawedOff_D_Damage-BlastWave.UPG_SawedOff_D_Damage-BlastWave.Description
The shockwave from the blast deals extra damage to any enemies unlucky enough to be in the area extending 4m in front of you.

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/Game/WeaponsNTools/Autocannon/UPG_AutoCannon_B_Accuracy.UPG_AutoCannon_B_Accuracy.Name
Tighter Barrel Alignment

/Game/WeaponsNTools/DetPack/UPG_DetPack_C_Damage_2.UPG_DetPack_C_Damage_2.Name
Volatile Compound

/Game/WeaponsNTools/_UpgradeCategories/UPC_FocusMode_M1000.UPC_FocusMode_M1000.CategoryDescription
The M1000's focus mode allows for hard-hitting, sniper-precision firing. To activate focus mode just hold down the trigger and give the rifle a moment to reconfigure the stock and charge up the EM coils.

/Game/WeaponsNTools/DetPack/UPG_DetPack_C_Damage_2.UPG_DetPack_C_Damage_2.Description
More explosive power but the device will detonate if damaged

/Game/WeaponsNTools/Armor/ScoutShieldMods/UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2.UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2.Description
Shield begins recharging early but the charge rate is slow

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 8:45 PM

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oh, I will copy paste that and work with it later, awesome

low hamlet Oct 31, 2020, 8:47 PM

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😳

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 8:47 PM

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wait, I don't even need to load the game I guess, just change the text on the wiki

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 8:47 PM

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I didn’t expect that much.

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Wait, one of the filters bugged out it seems, it catched too much changes.

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I will remove the one we already checked, the list will be much smaller.

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 8:52 PM

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ops, yea, the pgl first one seems to be on the wiki already

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 8:53 PM

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You will have the real list in 2min max.

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 8:54 PM

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no worries, most likely won't add it at the moment, but today

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 8:55 PM

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Now it is the real list.

analog rock Oct 31, 2020, 8:55 PM

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There's less then 10 spelling fix still waiting to be adressed, so not too much changes to come.

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For a list of all that changed in the last two three updates (not just the weapons folder), search "spelling error" on Jira

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 8:59 PM

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Do you have the link for jira?

analog rock Oct 31, 2020, 9:01 PM

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https://ghostshipgames.atlassian.net/

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no account needed

weary sonnet Oct 31, 2020, 9:04 PM

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Ty

acoustic scarab Oct 31, 2020, 9:39 PM

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Oh, right! Bosco got two new icons.

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📎 unknown.png

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📎 unknown.png

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For protecting Doretta and building/fixing pipes, respectively

glacial topaz Oct 31, 2020, 10:06 PM

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OwO will add those if I can

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 1:30 AM

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bit confused on seeing some text changes already on the wiki, wonder what was the version before

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tf is "CategoryDescription"

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bit confused on fitting some of the changes

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did the others for now

Damage Vs Glyphid

/Game/WeaponsNTools/Drills/UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty.UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty.Name
Dynamic Stabilization

/Game/WeaponsNTools/_UpgradeCategories/UPC_BlowThrough.UPC_BlowThrough.CategoryDescription
Bullets with Blowthrough will penetrate through the first target and hit targets behind it.

/Game/WeaponsNTools/AssaultRifle/WPN_AssaultRifle.WPN_AssaultRifle_C:GetGearStatEntry [Script Bytecode]
Bonus Damage to Afflicted Targets

/Game/WeaponsNTools/_UpgradeCategories/UPC_FocusMode_M1000.UPC_FocusMode_M1000.CategoryDescription
The M1000's focus mode allows for hard-hitting, sniper-precision firing. To activate focus mode just hold down the trigger and give the rifle a moment to reconfigure the stock and charge up the EM coils.

/Game/WeaponsNTools/Armor/ScoutShieldMods/UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2.UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2.Description
Shield begins recharging early but the charge rate is slow```

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 2:24 AM

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can I get the hex color values for the 2 new bosco icons ?

silent sierra Nov 1, 2020, 2:32 AM

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I've been running tests with the EPC, and I think there's an error in the Wiki about its damage type distribution on the Charged Shot. It currently states that the EPC's charge deals 50% Electric and 50% fire on the direct hit, and then 50% explosive and 50% fire on the area damage. The thing is that this doesn't line up with how the EPC behaves when dealing damage to Mactera Spawn.
If the damage distribution in the wiki were accurate, then with only the Tier 1 C mod it should be able to one shot Mactera Spawn in Hazard 4+. The Spawn all take +100% explosive damage, +100% fire damage, and +20% electric damage. So theoretically the damage dealt by the Charged Shot should be such:

With Tier 1 C and no other mods the Charge Shot deals 75 Direct and 75 Area damage.

Direct Damage vs Mactera Spawn = 37.5 * 1.5 electric + 37.5 * 2 fire = 56.25 electric + 75 fire
Area Damage vs Mactera Spawn =  37.5 * 2 explosive + 37.5 * 2 fire = 75 explosive + 75 fire
Total Damage vs Mactera Spawn = 281.25 damage.

This would instantly kill a Mactera Spawn that takes this hit, but I’ve been finding that they tend to survive with just a sliver of health remaining. I’ve been trying to figure out the reason for this and have a theory that the charged shot doesn’t deal explosive damage on the Area damage. I’ve found that the EPC definitely deals the Fire damage because it can explode Neurotoxin clouds if the user fires two Charged Shots that detonate inside of the gas cloud. If the explosive damage is instead electric, then the total charged shot damage would be 262.5 which falls in line with my observation of the Mactera Spawn surviving with only a sliver of health. Moreover any Mactera Spawn within the AOE but not hit directly appears to lose roughly half of their health which would fall in line with this as the AOE would deal exactly 131.25 damage against a Hazard 4 Mactera’s 267.6 effective health.

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 3:01 AM

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can anyone check the text on the milestones for the new missions rn ?

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 3:45 AM

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is this correct ?

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austere fossil Nov 1, 2020, 4:13 AM

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Type is the only one that may be debatable but I'd still say yes, if only because it is required to eventually get the heartstone.

acoustic scarab Nov 1, 2020, 7:34 AM

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can I get the hex color values for the 2 new bosco icons ?
As per the universal Conservation of Developer Energy Law, I'm going to guess that the shield is the same color as the fist, and the wrench is the same color as the pickaxe. But will check and report back in about 12 hours.

paper drum Nov 1, 2020, 9:13 AM

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@glacial topaz I can confirm. mining it by pickaxe takes 4 hits. Between Magma Core Terrain and Bedrock/Compressed Granite.

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 10:47 AM

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I checked the EPC files, Evan is right, the EPC was changed, now it is 0.25 conversion to DMG_Burn and 0.1 conversion to DMG_Disintegrate
I will check it it apply only to the single target part or to both part of the charged projectile.
Not sure if the 0.25 and 0.1 are 25% and 10% or if they are parts, I will have to check that as well.

velvet locust Nov 1, 2020, 11:07 AM

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does Electrocution% increase Turret EM Discharge Proc Chance?
if yes, why not write about it on the wiki?

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 11:50 AM

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@silent sierra you were right there was an error in the wiki for the damage type.
The normal projectile info is right, I double checked it just in case.
For the charged projectile there is two damage conversion:
0.25 DMG_Burn and 0.1 DMG_Disintegrate
That makes the end damage 65% Electric / 25 % Fire / 10% Disintegrate for the single target part.
65% Explosive / 25% Fire / 10% Disintegrate for the AoE part.
P.S. on the wiki Disintegrate is calle pure.

analog rock Nov 1, 2020, 11:52 AM

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If I remember correctly, disintegrate also has a special effect when it kills a mob

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 11:53 AM

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Yes, this is purely a cosmetic damage type that exists only to add that unique death effect.

floral drift Nov 1, 2020, 3:06 PM

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good to know about EPC's damage elements being changed. were there any other stealth changes in U32?

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 3:09 PM

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I checked the file history, it seems that one has been wrong for a while actually, the source of the mistake was my asumption that there was single damage conversion (as I only had in game test back then and JWP only saw the first one).
As for the stealth changes in U32, I will try to check them at least for weapons and creatures, still trying to figure out a good way to do it with git (local only) so I can see all the file history directly.
Edit, I found out how to do it, but I will need some time to make it the way I want and test it.

acoustic scarab Nov 1, 2020, 3:36 PM

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As per the universal Conservation of Developer Energy Law, I'm going to guess that the shield is the same color as the fist, and the wrench is the same color as the pickaxe. But will check and report back in about 12 hours.
Red shield is #bd0300 and blue wrench is #0498c0

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 3:47 PM

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perfect, I will soon edit the icons and add them, I changed the perks page for U32 if anyone wants to check it

acoustic scarab Nov 1, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Honestly, just copy colors from Attack and Mine. I'm willing to bet money that's what GSG did 😄

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UI-wise, it makes no sense to make old and new colors slightly different but close enough that it's hard to tell them apart

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 3:52 PM

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I want perfection, but since it is still possible to update images, won't stress over it

acoustic scarab Nov 1, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Thing is, the screenshots are in JPG

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So the hex you get depends on which pixel of the icon you click

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Hard to aim for perfection with such noisy data 😛

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 3:55 PM

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wait you got the values from the images ?

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 4:00 PM

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For the repair:

"ParameterValue": {
    "r": 0.0,
    "g": 0.563974,
    "b": 1.0,
    "a": 1.0
},```

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If the other is guard, it is just full red.

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 4:27 PM

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done

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huh, no mention of the new states on its page, If I had the info I would include it, but don't want to simply say "reapair pipes" "protect drill dozer" , probably there is more interesting stuff to say to not make it that short, will think of more things to do too

silent sierra Nov 1, 2020, 4:32 PM

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@weary sonnet Cool! I was worried I was just losing my mind and testing wrong. Thank you for double checking.

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 4:33 PM

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Np, feel free to ask again if you think there is something wrong on the wiki, sometime stuff is changed stealthly during an update or we make mistakes when updating the pages.

stoic wraith Nov 1, 2020, 5:15 PM

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how am i supposed to read this

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player count 1 to 4

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but does that just mean it litterally doesnt matter? just the haz lvl

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 5:15 PM

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exactly

stoic wraith Nov 1, 2020, 5:16 PM

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oh yea i'm an idiot lmao

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so wait

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is there really no way for mkII turret to one tap swarmers even with defender at 3 or above?

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that kinda just makes it useless then

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 5:17 PM

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if it doesn't do enough damage

stoic wraith Nov 1, 2020, 5:17 PM

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well, mkII turret does 8 base

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defender gives an extra 5

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so 13, not enough

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welp

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there really is no point in using mkII then

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is there anywhere i can suggest the devs fix this?

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 5:19 PM

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doesn't seem broken, probably that wasn't the focus of it, as long as it wasn't suggested before, you can just suggest things on #suggestions , or discuss them on #suggestion-discussion

stoic wraith Nov 1, 2020, 5:19 PM

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i personally just feel that gemini is currently just way better

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as you get more shots / combine that with like armor breaking, and it has more bullets to annihilate things

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total damage is like 300 damage under

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which fair, but aint much

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just feels weird

bold plover Nov 1, 2020, 5:38 PM

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I already asked the devs about turrets reaching swarmer breakpoints, they said that it is intended that it doesn't.

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Not word for word, but basically what the conversation came to.

acoustic scarab Nov 1, 2020, 5:56 PM

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wait you got the values from the images ?
Yeah, ain't got no way to extract game files

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 5:57 PM

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could have made that more clear there :s

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tf is "UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2" and "UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty" ?

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 6:20 PM

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tf is "UPG_Armor_Scout_B_RegenDelay2" and "UPG_Drills_C_MovementPenalty" ?
@glacial topaz
I checked in the files and in game, none of them are used atm, for some reason there is more upgrade files (UPG_*) than gear mod available in game, but for some reason they still fixed the translation.

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They are probably some artifact of an old removed gear mod.

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 6:21 PM

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so I guess I got all of the fixes ? good to know

weary sonnet Nov 1, 2020, 6:21 PM

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Well these should be the driller’s drill mod name or scout armor mod description.
I check all the possible match in game and none match theses ID.

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 6:33 PM

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also, anyone able to check the driller promo missions yet ?

stark tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:35 PM

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my guess is that they replaced the first egg hunt with a salvage mission to make it consistent with the other promotion assignments

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I guess it's not randomized like I first thought; it was always double egg hunt

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 6:38 PM

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how does mini mules legs appearing on scanner works now ?

stark tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:39 PM

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I remember they appeared on the scanner after you freed them before
might be the same thing except they always appear, like eggs

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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"Lost Legs from the minimule will now appear on terrain scanner when you get close to the mule." it says "get close" though

stark tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:40 PM

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ah, right
we'd just need to figure out how many meters it is

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also I've heard there's been some problems with legs being stuck inside the drop pod, and some legs not spawning at all

glacial topaz Nov 1, 2020, 6:42 PM

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being able to see on the scanner will tell if it bugged or if people just are unlucky at being able to see the legs

stark tulip Nov 1, 2020, 6:43 PM

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true

analog rock Nov 1, 2020, 8:52 PM

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I checked in the files and in game, none of them are used atm, for some reason there is more upgrade files (UPG_*) than gear mod available in game, but for some reason they still fixed the translation.
We can't see if a string is used or not when we notify the devs of spelling errors, so some of these might be unused or futur content, only the devs know...

low hamlet Nov 2, 2020, 12:50 AM

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:o

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it is

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glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 12:58 AM

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#patch-notes-steam

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 2:08 AM

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someone did this, I need confirmation

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low hamlet Nov 2, 2020, 2:52 AM

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i can take a look

wary cove Nov 2, 2020, 2:56 AM

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I don't believe promotion assignments are a static set of missions

shell frigate Nov 2, 2020, 2:58 AM

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They always were at least before this update

wary cove Nov 2, 2020, 3:06 AM

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The same missions for all players?

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I know your set stays the same once assigned, but I didn't think the set of missions was the same for everyone.

low hamlet Nov 2, 2020, 3:14 AM

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hm this is interesting

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i can go to my experimental and give it some tests

sand lantern Nov 2, 2020, 4:07 AM

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Iirc someone reported driller promotion assignments going around

acoustic scarab Nov 2, 2020, 8:20 AM

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I promoted my Driller 4 times and it's been morkite-eggs-eggs-aquarqs (not sure about the last one).

sand lantern Nov 2, 2020, 8:21 AM

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It was reported like half a year ago so probably fixed

signal meadow Nov 2, 2020, 12:57 PM

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People have been forever complaining that driller has different promotion assignment missions than the other 3 classes so it was kinda awkward when you wanted to do promotions assignment with a friend if driller and another class were involved. I guess they decided to change that finally... to a set of missions again different to other 3 classes. Now that I look at it (on the wiki at least) all classes now have at least 1 different mission in their assignment or have switched up order of the missions in the assignment. Not sure what to make of that

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Unless I'm going crazy and misremembering things hard

shell frigate Nov 2, 2020, 1:50 PM

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Yeah drillers had a second egg hunt instead of the salvage mission all other classes have

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 2:28 PM

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reminder the change should only be after hotfix 5, so only for live version

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hmmm

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also , is it only on Dense biozone that can rain ?

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low hamlet Nov 2, 2020, 2:55 PM

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no it can rain in more than biozone

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it can rain in magma core for some reason

stoic wraith Nov 2, 2020, 2:56 PM

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what

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I have litterally never seen it rain anywhere but biozone

signal meadow Nov 2, 2020, 3:01 PM

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I've not seen it rain only in glacial

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 3:19 PM

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what about the first 2 ? Have the impression they are badly worded / or not entirely true

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 3:40 PM

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From hotfix 7: our first exception to the rule 'You get the same amount no matter how you mine it'

Blowing up oil shale now destroys a bit of it - giving you a little less oil than if you directly use the fuel canister to collect it.

shell frigate Nov 2, 2020, 3:41 PM

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Wonder what it means

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i.e. if detaching it from the ground is also affected

austere fossil Nov 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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Or pickaxing it, just to be sure

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 3:42 PM

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I added the important notes to the todo list

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Flamethrower can ignite 'natural' webs, not sure about the one already stick on a dwarf or spitted by a web spitter.
The poison gas from praets and oppressor is exactly the same (same file, effect, explosion…) and both direct damage and sticky flames can make it explode.
The gas cloud has 25 health (non scaling) so it is probably the amount of fire/heat damage you need to do to make it explode but I didn’t test the explosion threshold directly.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 3:50 PM

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tbf, I think the previous version is better (I undid it)

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actually the whole tips tricks strats page needs a serious review, unless it is meant to be a bunch of stuff mashed together

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well, next thing is, is power drill great enough at killing naedocyte to get it as a tip ?

bold plover Nov 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Yes

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 4:10 PM

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what is special about it

plush night Nov 2, 2020, 4:59 PM

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We wondered on the french discord, how does the game interprets when you separate a mineral from a wall by mining the wall behind the vein. Is it considered like an explosion ? Or something else ?

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 5:41 PM

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For the Oil Shell, there is a 0.75 chunk multiplier so it probably apply to anything you get in chunk form no matter how you mine it.

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@plush night With the current mining rules you can consider it mined like an explosion/TCF/Bosco.
What matters is that it isn’t mined directly with your pickaxe nor with the Oil Extractor.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:09 PM

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removed mixer mentions on some articles

bold plover Nov 2, 2020, 8:15 PM

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All forms of mining are equal minus some rounding, the only exception being oil shale and mining with small bullet impacts.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:29 PM

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can I even change the name of a page ? guessing not, but the correct is "On-site Refining" not "On-Site Refining" as the page uses
I will correct it on the other places

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 8:30 PM

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You can change a page name by 'moving' the page, if you don’t have the necessary rights for that I will do it.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:31 PM

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sure, for next time I can learn how to move them, should be rare enough though

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 8:31 PM

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It should appear on the little arrow on the top right corner.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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oh, easier than I thought

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I will leave that for last though

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 8:32 PM

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The 'hard' part is knowing it exists and where it is.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:41 PM

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interesting part is that even devs have used "S" instead of "s", but I will count those as typos for being more rare

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on another note, any luck at discovering the actual missions for character promotions ?

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 8:50 PM

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No luck finding them in the files so the fastest way for now would be to ask anyone who promote what the missions are or to cheat the levels and check quickly in game for each class.

stark tulip Nov 2, 2020, 8:52 PM

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like how "canister" is spelt with two Ns

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:53 PM

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I think someone from here was going to check it, bit afraid of checking on #drg-chat, feel I might get the wrong answer

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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For anything misspelled you can post it in #babelfish-lounge.
For the promotions not sure if I will have the time today, but tomorrow I should be able to find some time to check them all or almost.

glacial topaz Nov 2, 2020, 8:54 PM

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no rush

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trying to decide what interesting thing I can work on

plush night Nov 2, 2020, 10:31 PM

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I remember reading somewhere that Dreads are immune to slowdown, but I can't find anything like this on the wiki page. Is that a myth ?

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 10:32 PM

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They are not immune to slowdown, just resistant to some of them (IFG and electrcitybased slow) during health phase since they are resistant to electricity.

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^Theses scales with electricity resistance.
On the other hand sticky flame slow and neurotoxin slow don’t scale with fire/poison res.

plush night Nov 2, 2020, 10:33 PM

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I was asking that, thanks a lot !

silent sierra Nov 2, 2020, 10:34 PM

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That does bring up something about the IFG vs dreads though. They do still get the IFG electric icon when in the field, so do they still receive the damage vulnerability?

weary sonnet Nov 2, 2020, 10:35 PM

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They should receive it in both health and shell phase.

silent sierra Nov 2, 2020, 10:35 PM

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Alrighty then. Thank you!

stark tulip Nov 3, 2020, 12:03 AM

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IFGs do affect them a little?
hardy noticeable if so

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I thought they just didn't work at all

shell frigate Nov 3, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Got someone to confirm the driller promotion is Mining Expedition, Escort Duty, On-site Refining, Point Extraction

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 1:45 AM

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nice

hidden sky Nov 3, 2020, 5:21 AM

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Question: From patch notes: "- Blowing up oil shale now destroys a bit of it - giving you a little less oil than if you directly use the fuel canister to collect it." OK, how much...? 5%...? 10%...?

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Seems like getting the slam mine (C4 or EPC) then collecting loose, is still waaay faster

bold plover Nov 3, 2020, 5:25 AM

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25% less.

hidden sky Nov 3, 2020, 5:28 AM

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@bold plover is that from testing...? Or is listed on wiki...? or is your SWAG...?

bold plover Nov 3, 2020, 5:29 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/772877944950751303

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I could check myself but I don't feel like digging in those files atm.

wary cove Nov 3, 2020, 5:29 AM

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Definitely the swag

hidden sky Nov 3, 2020, 5:31 AM

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lol, well... quoting Elythnwaen is a good as any other Scientific Wild Ass Guess, I suppose- thanks

analog rock Nov 3, 2020, 6:02 AM

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lol, well... quoting Elythnwaen is a good as any other Scientific Wild Ass Guess, I suppose- thanks
@hidden sky Ely is the guy that breaks open the game and sifts through the code. Quoting him is the most accurate info you could get, short of having a dev answer it.

hidden sky Nov 3, 2020, 6:19 AM

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@analog rock Yes, I am aware, have spoken with Elythnwaen before. No need to hoist a petard. On the other hand, I have no idea who you or Phony Back are- which is why I said what I did. If I had been asked the same root question, would have also quoted "Ely" for an accurate answer.

bold plover Nov 3, 2020, 6:24 AM

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I'm the person who gave Ely a good bit of the tools to do his stuff after talking with him for a bit.

hidden sky Nov 3, 2020, 6:25 AM

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At any rate, the original question has been answered. Thanks again.

bold plover Nov 3, 2020, 6:28 AM

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Understandable though, lol. We generally try our best to give the best info available in this channel or at the very least dispel some info.

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 3:25 PM

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can't even access wiki now, what is going on

acoustic scarab Nov 3, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Gamepedia seems to be down

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Like, the whole thing

craggy wraith Nov 3, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Yep

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Fun with ucp... they're working on it

acoustic scarab Nov 3, 2020, 3:28 PM

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Right when I was reading up on strategies for Terraria's Moon Lord.

craggy wraith Nov 3, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Wiki might be back but css will take a bit

shell frigate Nov 3, 2020, 3:44 PM

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Seems to be all back now

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 3:47 PM

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hmmm

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not sure how to feel about this too

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shell frigate Nov 3, 2020, 3:49 PM

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Could have

Long Press [CALL M.U.L.E.] while airborne to activate.
Mention C as default

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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wait, they gave up on the EPC FN charge speed change ?

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weary sonnet Nov 3, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Oh, I was supposed to remove only one revision, not 2
The charge speed is still 0.8, I checked the wrong file when changing that (it was on an older build).

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But the charged damage type change and FF change is real.

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 3:51 PM

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odd

weary sonnet Nov 3, 2020, 3:51 PM

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Damage type: 65% Electric / 25% Fire / 10% Pure

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This is the value that should display for the charged shot damage type

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That one is legit, the charge speed was a mistake I reverted.

glacial topaz Nov 3, 2020, 5:07 PM

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you guys focusing on something currently ?

sullen vigil Nov 3, 2020, 10:25 PM

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is there a way to get the textures for the weapons? I want to make a skin for one in blender but I want the original texture so that I can color it correctly

shell frigate Nov 3, 2020, 10:28 PM

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They are not textured, but rather it's a materials (Though some do use textures as part of the material)

sand lantern Nov 4, 2020, 6:53 AM

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Regarding missions generation logic: something definetly changed since 7th version: https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/669129318806454291/773256467151192064/unknown.png

glacial topaz Nov 4, 2020, 3:31 PM

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oh

- Added a delay that is equal to the time it takes to melt a piece of oil shale between picking up the chunks with the oil extractor (0.45s).```

craggy wraith Nov 4, 2020, 8:11 PM

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https://help.gamepedia.com/The_Future_of_Gamepedia

Gamepedia Help Wiki

The Future of Gamepedia

Today, we have a big announcement. After nearly two years of working together to bring Fandom and Gamepedia wikis onto one platform, we will be starting to migrate all Gamepedia wikis to a Fandom.com domain in early 2021. There are a number of reasons for this, but one of the ...

shell frigate Nov 4, 2020, 8:14 PM

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Hope they have the old links redirect correctly

tranquil hazel Nov 4, 2020, 8:27 PM

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How is shotguns damage calculated, is it damage X pellet or damage / pellet?

radiant edge Nov 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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The former

tranquil hazel Nov 4, 2020, 8:28 PM

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So let's say boomstick deals 12 per pellet, is this correct?

radiant edge Nov 4, 2020, 8:29 PM

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Yep

tranquil hazel Nov 4, 2020, 8:30 PM

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Well, while i believe boomstick is okay as it is (the limited ammo prevents it from being outright broken). Whartog is just bad in comparison

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Even at a distance.

austere fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:40 AM

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From EPC page:

Due to its unique projectiles the weapon cannot deal extra weakpoint damage
pretty sure this is false

bold plover Nov 5, 2020, 1:47 AM

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Normal shots definitely can, charged cannot.

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Not sure about praetorians and the like though.

austere fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:49 AM

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It also calls it a "hitscan-type weapon", I'mma fix this

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well

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the user must adapt to firing projectiles through a hitscan-type weapon

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I think this is trying to say adjust to not hitscan, but misses

bold plover Nov 5, 2020, 1:51 AM

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For sure.

austere fossil Nov 5, 2020, 1:53 AM

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the user must adapt to firing non-hitscan projectiles, which takes practice (particularly with distant enemies).
Just swapped the whole chunk with "non-hitscan projectiles"

acoustic scarab Nov 5, 2020, 6:49 AM

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Thanks, now I remember that this section confused the hell out of me when I was new to DRG

shell frigate Nov 5, 2020, 12:09 PM

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Got to keep an eye out on the stream for that roadmap

shell frigate Nov 5, 2020, 1:21 PM

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acoustic scarab Nov 5, 2020, 2:23 PM

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Finally, something to appease the crowds begging for liquids in the caves 😄

glacial topaz Nov 5, 2020, 2:25 PM

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don't think there will be any liquids

acoustic scarab Nov 5, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Well, I read "corrosive, stagnant pools" and imagined some ankle-deep poison hazards

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Essentially, a poison-themed hot rock from Magma Core

glacial topaz Nov 5, 2020, 2:43 PM

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Don't think it will leak

acoustic scarab Nov 5, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Of course it wouldn't

lofty kettle Nov 5, 2020, 5:33 PM

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The hover tooltip seems to be way lower relative to cursor position than it should be

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don't mind the weird gif compression

sand lantern Nov 5, 2020, 5:54 PM

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I recall there was info about dwarves sharing the same voice with changes and I definitely recall something about engi's 105%. Is there any info on other dwarves?

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Oops should've visited pages of classes

floral drift Nov 5, 2020, 6:10 PM

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i was doing some testing on Bulk Detonators' breakable weakpoints a few nights ago. to the best i was able to observe, breaking all 3 doesn't affect their mechanics in any way. it didn't reduce the orbs thrown on death (i counted 8 impact craters both times), didn't stop it from using its stomp attack or on-death explosion. i didn't test if it was still able to dig.

does anyone here know if breaking all 3 weakpoints does anything to the Bulk's mechanics? i wasn't able to find anything.

glacial topaz Nov 5, 2020, 6:11 PM

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was pretty sure it was know it never affected anything

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but you won't benefit from weakpoints if you break it

weary sonnet Nov 5, 2020, 6:13 PM

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The only thing it could affect was the number of cluster bombs on death, if you tested that and it stays the same then I don’t think you missed anything.

floral drift Nov 5, 2020, 6:16 PM

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alright, thanks for confirming my observations

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i guess i was just hoping that GSG had some kind of reward for breaking the weakpoints like Goo Bombers do

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because Bulks, Goo Bombers, Menaces, and Brood Nexuses are the only enemies with breakable weakpoints but to the best of my knowledge only Goo Bombers' mechanics change when they're broken. Broods still make babies and spawn a bunch on death, not sure about menaces

sand lantern Nov 5, 2020, 6:26 PM

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Is there any info on the way breakable weakpoints work? I still vaguely understand how they break. Do they register amount of hits? Do they register damage with bonus applied? Do they register both? Or is there something else used to calculate how they break?

floral drift Nov 5, 2020, 6:27 PM

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yes, Elyth has documented them all on the wiki

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look at the Creatures landing page and then go to their individual links

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for instance: https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Bulk_Detonator#Breakable_Weakpoints

sand lantern Nov 5, 2020, 6:28 PM

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Oh, thanks

weary sonnet Nov 5, 2020, 6:29 PM

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This is made using a template for all but the nexus since it has special rule so if anything isn’t clear let me know so I can fix it.

sand lantern Nov 5, 2020, 6:31 PM

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Nah, pretty clean

normal crane Nov 6, 2020, 9:46 AM

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Salvage Operation page has a typo of caves. Spelled on the page as cavse

acoustic scarab Nov 6, 2020, 9:50 AM

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Good catch, we should change it to "covfefe", as it was intended

acoustic scarab Nov 7, 2020, 10:53 AM

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Is it true that, when firing the minigun, each click generates a "heat burst"?

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Like if you hold the mouse button like this: --- --- --- ---, instead of like this: ------------------, it might generate heat faster?

austere fossil Nov 7, 2020, 3:30 PM

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That was fixed in U28 iirc, lemme double check the notes

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From U28 patch notes

Fixed “Lead Storm” Powered Minigun getting extra heat if you fire in small bursts

hexed epoch Nov 7, 2020, 6:02 PM

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why cant i join the vc

analog rock Nov 7, 2020, 6:04 PM

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why cant i join the vc
@hexed epoch If you have some technical problems, take them to a mod. @opal locust for example.

opal locust Nov 7, 2020, 6:05 PM

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it's a discord issue

low hamlet Nov 7, 2020, 6:26 PM

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discord is being dumb. especially today

blazing forge Nov 8, 2020, 2:08 AM

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Anyone know if turret arc OC chance to electrify turret is based on the stubby's chance or its own percent

glacial topaz Nov 9, 2020, 3:28 PM

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any true ? if that is the case the rest of the numbers should be wrong (pickaxe page)

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weary sonnet Nov 9, 2020, 3:36 PM

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It adds 20 damage to the base melee attack.
Base melee attack being 11
A base pickaxe attack doing 1 time your melee attack in single target (does benefit from weakpoint/frozen) and 1.5 times your melee attack in AoE) doesn’t benefit from weakpoint/frozen).

P.S. That beer should only add 10 base damage, but it adds 20 sinse it apply twice like all beers atm.

glacial topaz Nov 9, 2020, 3:37 PM

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huh

sand lantern Nov 9, 2020, 3:37 PM

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Huh?

weary sonnet Nov 9, 2020, 3:40 PM

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The math on the pickaxe page is for when the beer was adding 10 only, someone updated the damage of the beer but not the math it seems.

glacial topaz Nov 9, 2020, 3:44 PM

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pfff "color" and "colour" on the same section

weary sonnet Nov 9, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I updated the math on the pickaxe page using the live value for skull crusher hell damage since so far the devs has made no move to fix the bugs about the beer buff that apply twice.

shell frigate Nov 9, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Wish it could be colour in all pages

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But yeah it's meant to done in american

chrome plinth Nov 10, 2020, 12:49 AM

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anyone have any idea why i'm still getting asked to join the union after i already have? is there a fix for this? i would like to participate in the challenges and do my part for the community

bold plover Nov 10, 2020, 1:16 AM

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The bot is messed up atm.

chrome plinth Nov 10, 2020, 1:19 AM

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@bold plover thank you i appreciate the feedback on this. it should work itself out eventually then?

haughty drift Nov 10, 2020, 1:19 AM

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does anyone know how to "reroll" special beers?

bold plover Nov 10, 2020, 1:20 AM

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Beers re-roll every 30 minutes and require a spacerig level refresh.

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Yeah, the bot will eventually be fixed but it is somewhat low priority. It has broken like 3 times the past 3 months, lol.

chrome plinth Nov 10, 2020, 1:21 AM

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no worries. just wanted to make sure it wasn't some strange interaction i had going on for my end

bold plover Nov 10, 2020, 1:21 AM

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Nope, not your fault.

plush night Nov 10, 2020, 5:15 PM

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Hello, we had a somewhat heated argument with a high level player about spawns in salvage. I'm pretty sure spawn are triggered when you approach a mule for the first time, and he stated that spawn is trigger when you unbury mule's legs

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Which version is true ? Is the truth out there ?

bold plover Nov 10, 2020, 5:17 PM

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Both.

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Sometimes an extra one once it is built.

weary sonnet Nov 10, 2020, 5:47 PM

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A simple autohotkey macro seems like the easiest way to do it.

shell frigate Nov 10, 2020, 5:53 PM

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From my experience as both a game dev & Modder Imo Unity is easiest to work with, as if I wanted that feature I could guaranteed have it in within an hour

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The benefit with Unity is that it's C#, so not fully compiled so you can just go in and edit it

stark tulip Nov 10, 2020, 6:05 PM

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so that's how they can have the live editor thing

fluid hamlet Nov 10, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Hey i need an answer for future references

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Do crassus detonator count for the detonator kill in the union assignment?

tranquil hazel Nov 10, 2020, 8:44 PM

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Hat images is missing the new Demon Mask

glacial topaz Nov 11, 2020, 2:40 PM

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that is a lot of changes on pgl page, trying to check what needs to change

exotic vector Nov 11, 2020, 4:53 PM

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How much HP exactly do the floating rocks in Escort Duty have? What are their resistances? Is this listed anywhere on the wiki yet?

glacial topaz Nov 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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most likely it wasn't added yet if aren't finding it, not even sure if we know the values

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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I didn’t searched it yet, so probably not.

exotic vector Nov 11, 2020, 4:54 PM

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Hmm

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As a wild guess based on using the M1000 and Heavy Hitter EPC against them I'd say they have somewhere in the range of 300-400 HP on haz 4/5?

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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I will see if I can find the values in 15-20 min.

shell frigate Nov 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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FSD\Content\GameElements\Objectives\Escort\FlyingSmartRocks\ENE_FlyingSmartRock

exotic vector Nov 11, 2020, 4:57 PM

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Thanks Elythnwaen

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 5:21 PM

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For the rock this is what I have for now:

MaxHealth: 250
EnemyHealthScaling: SmallEnemy
# Same than grunts (scale with hazard level, but not with the number of players)
Resistances:
  -100% Explosive
  100% Electric
  100% Poison
  100% Radiation
  50% Fire
  50% Frost
  -200% Melee
AttackDistance: 3 m
MaxPawnSpeed: 400
StrafeSpeed: 0
Courage: 1000
BurnTemperature: 101
DouseFireTemperure: 100
CoolingRate: 100
FreezeTemperature: -101
UnfreezeTemperature: 0 # Default value
WarmingRate: 100```

acoustic scarab Nov 11, 2020, 5:23 PM

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So rocks are fearless?

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 5:24 PM

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Only guarantee fear should work vs them.

acoustic scarab Nov 11, 2020, 5:24 PM

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I'm assuming those stats make them essentially immune to fear, frozen and on fire

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Yes basically.

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They also don’t act as a heat source.

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@acoustic scarab rock stat updated

acoustic scarab Nov 11, 2020, 5:41 PM

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Good, but I wasn't the one who asked about them 😄

weary sonnet Nov 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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@exotic vector rock stats are here

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yeah my bad

acoustic scarab Nov 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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But do ping me once we pull the new core cosmetics info on the Accessory Shop page

exotic vector Nov 11, 2020, 5:42 PM

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I see!

acoustic scarab Nov 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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My GPU gave up the ghost a couple of days ago (playing New Vegas of all games), so I'm using a fall-back 6-year-old GPU that gives me 40-60 FPS on the space rig with nothing happening on the lowet settings.
I'm not even sure it'll properly load it on the experimental branch.

exotic vector Nov 11, 2020, 5:43 PM

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On Haz 4/5 they should have 300 HP then if they scale like grunts

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Thank you again

cloud flint Nov 11, 2020, 6:45 PM

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theres an article on karl in the wiki that says that karl is the mission control guy

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thats not true right

glacial topaz Nov 11, 2020, 7:30 PM

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that thing is just ideas

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so basically people just post random ideas of what they think Karl is, with a few references from the game

pseudo raptor Nov 11, 2020, 11:28 PM

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There's no mention of whether or not Rocky Mountain works on Ommoran Beamers, is that something would belong more on the Abyss Bar page or the Escort page (or both?)

stark tulip Nov 11, 2020, 11:30 PM

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doesn't rocky mountain just reduce the number of pickaxe hits required
if so, beamers already break with a single hit

pseudo raptor Nov 11, 2020, 11:30 PM

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Beamers take 2 hits to break

stark tulip Nov 11, 2020, 11:31 PM

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doesn't one hit take a chunk out though

pseudo raptor Nov 11, 2020, 11:31 PM

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Sadly not

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meaning usually it's like 6 hits to take down a full crystal

terse phoenix Nov 11, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Rocky Mountain doesn't work on everything, only 'common' ground iirc. I didn't see it have any effect at mining the rock formations in the Sandblasted Corridors for instance, aside from the ore.

pseudo raptor Nov 11, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Yeah, the Abyss Bar page links to the "unique terrain" page for stuff it doesn't work on, but that only has biome-specific flora like corals. No idea if Beamers count as biome specific

austere fossil Nov 12, 2020, 12:10 AM

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I had rocky mountain for an escort and iirc it did not work on the beamers.

tiny wedge Nov 12, 2020, 1:24 AM

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is EPC TCF affected by charge shot mods?

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does radius mod affect dig radius?

tiny wedge Nov 12, 2020, 2:00 AM

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does TCF mine extra gold on pots o gold?

stark tulip Nov 12, 2020, 2:01 AM

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no
it affects pickaxe mining only

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so Bosco doesn't count either

bold plover Nov 12, 2020, 2:45 AM

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Afaik radius upgrades increase TCF size.

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At least that is what I remember seeing in here.

tiny wedge Nov 12, 2020, 2:49 AM

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thanks

floral drift Nov 12, 2020, 5:43 AM

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to the best of my knowledge, Thin Containment Field only does 240 Fire damage in a 3m radius with no falloff, unaffected by other mods or OCs. it's a special detonation that's separate from the normal impact explosion.

bold plover Nov 12, 2020, 6:11 AM

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https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/453469452097421315/711180383772999720

floral drift Nov 12, 2020, 6:54 AM

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oh, that's news to me. thanks!

tiny wedge Nov 12, 2020, 8:23 AM

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Can someone teach me how to add "shortcut names" for pages on the wiki? like if you search EPC the EPC actually comes up

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How long is the triangulation duration for salvage?

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 1:38 PM

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hmmm

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shell frigate Nov 12, 2020, 1:39 PM

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We did know about it being number 17 before

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This is more trivia for why the helmet has a 17 on it

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 1:44 PM

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so guessing some changes are needed ? feel free to add them, I am going to focus more on that on-site review and add stuff to bosco

wary cove Nov 12, 2020, 1:44 PM

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We've known it's space rig 17 for a long time :/

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 1:45 PM

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I mean, if just removing it is the best option, sure (it is on space rig article btw)

shell frigate Nov 12, 2020, 1:46 PM

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Would be best to replace with whatever the original source of knowing it's number 17 is

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Can be reworded for trivia on the helmet but the new headgear has not been added yet

sand lantern Nov 12, 2020, 1:50 PM

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This is where we confirmed it was space rig 17, though there may be other sources I can't remember. Ghostship site?

shell frigate Nov 12, 2020, 1:53 PM

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Yeah have been looking around but it's hard to get a timeline

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So I'm up for referring to the PSA boards as the source as if not the first source it should be the first in-game one

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 1:58 PM

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shouldn't drilldozer be listed as a robot ?

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how is this ? I also grouped all its states under a section (well, I will have to adjust it)

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acoustic scarab Nov 12, 2020, 2:14 PM

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Repair also covers fixing leaks

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For Guard, I think Bosco will specifically stay near Doretta and attack enemies in range, meaning it will ignore ranged attackers

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 2:15 PM

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but ranged attackers can hit the dozer, can't they

acoustic scarab Nov 12, 2020, 2:16 PM

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Indeed. I've seen someone complain about it, but haven't verified myself

glacial topaz Nov 12, 2020, 2:17 PM

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you guys can add stuff later, just checking if this is a good start for me to publish

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acoustic scarab Nov 12, 2020, 2:17 PM

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It is

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I'm gonna add a couple things now

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So we treat Bosco as male, huh? Good to know

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Done.

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I tested the throwing range, and it seems to be 10m

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I'm pretty sure passing requires line of sight as well as being within 10m, I added that too