#wiki-related-chatroom | Deep Rock Galactic | Page 41

analog rock Jul 21, 2020, 6:33 PM

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Yeah, the pgl ones

glacial topaz Jul 21, 2020, 6:35 PM

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I thought I could put them on the ground just like the greandes

analog rock Jul 21, 2020, 6:35 PM

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The description can be confusing, but it basically says that the proxi trigger needs a moment to arm itself, and until that moment (meaning between the moment you fire until the trigger is ready) the grenade will function as if there was no proxi trigger

glacial valve Jul 21, 2020, 6:57 PM

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trying to make this: [[File:Resistance Icon Frost.png{{!}}Frost Resistance{{!}}x24px]] a nolink image

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but it does not work

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can someone explain to me what I need to do?

weary sonnet Jul 21, 2020, 6:58 PM

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add{{!}}link=

glacial valve Jul 21, 2020, 6:59 PM

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that doesn't work for me

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where do i add it?

glacial topaz Jul 21, 2020, 7:00 PM

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What is the Vertical Angle for Defender system on sentry ? wiki says the Horizontal one is 160° iirc

weary sonnet Jul 21, 2020, 7:00 PM

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[[File:Resistance Icon Frost.png{{!}}Frost Resistance{{!}}x24px{{!}}link=]]

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You can also use the resistance template for that kind of things:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Template:Resistance

glacial valve Jul 21, 2020, 7:04 PM

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fixed, thank you

austere fossil Jul 21, 2020, 7:06 PM

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@glacial topaz Pretty sure vertical angle is unaffected

glacial valve Jul 21, 2020, 7:13 PM

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another thing. in the creature infobox tabber, the mouseover text for the heat/cold icons is "Common"

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and Frost/etc for other variants

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oh, I see. the entire infobox tab will pop up a tooltip with the name of the creature variant on mouseover

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could we change it to "(variant) (creaturename)"? So Common Glyphid Praetorian instead of just Common when a player hovers the mouse over the infobox tabber?

bold plover Jul 21, 2020, 7:27 PM

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That would be good prep for the future.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/601998545947721742/733570253195444224/unknown.png

weary sonnet Jul 21, 2020, 7:28 PM

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I think we can, but that would make the tab names a lot longer, not sure it would be good visually.

shell frigate Jul 21, 2020, 7:29 PM

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May be best to just add the full name to a hoverover tooltip

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Since anything else would make it hard to click boxes

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It's a UX design rule of not changing the size of something when you hover over it (other than purely visual changes like a border or visually looking bigger)

weary sonnet Jul 21, 2020, 7:31 PM

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I double checked, the mousehover text only appear when using tabber, the creature tabbox template doesn’t have it.

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But any pre existing hoverover text will stay it seems.
The text from heavy armor tooltips and ueviewer are not altered.

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So just adding a Heat/Cold hoverover text on the creature tabbox template would solve the issue unless you prefer to display something else here.

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I updated the template, it now display Heat / Cold for the temperature icons instead of nothing with a mouseover so it should override the tabber mouseover.
I replaced the creature mouseover name by variant name (ie Glyphid Praetorian by Frost Glyphid Praetorian).
The common variant doesn’t have a prefix.

glacial valve Jul 21, 2020, 8:33 PM

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great!

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thanks a ton ely!

low hamlet Jul 21, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Well the thing that's happening signed me out of my account even though I was signed in

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So no editing for me for a while

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😭

shell frigate Jul 21, 2020, 11:37 PM

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Should still be able to edit

low hamlet Jul 21, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Yeah but I don't want everyone to know my ip address

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Even though it isn't really very dangerous to be public information

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Would rather stay anonymous

shell frigate Jul 21, 2020, 11:40 PM

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Fair

slim laurel Jul 22, 2020, 6:01 AM

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Use VPN then

glacial valve Jul 22, 2020, 11:32 AM

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but they're just merging the logins right

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whats the issue

analog rock Jul 22, 2020, 12:05 PM

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Database access while they are moving them

low hamlet Jul 22, 2020, 12:58 PM

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You can't login

glacial valve Jul 22, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Ah i was already logged in, not seeing differences so far

low hamlet Jul 22, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Yeah

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It logged me out for some reason even though it said it wouldn't

silent sierra Jul 22, 2020, 9:49 PM

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Hey I can’t find any information on how hazard level affects enemy status resistance. Do enemies acquire resistance to the heat and cold status buildup like they do with the standard direct damage types?

glacial topaz Jul 22, 2020, 10:02 PM

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not really

silent sierra Jul 22, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I’m sorry if this is really pedantic, but do you mean that no they definitely don’t, or not enough for it to matter? I was hoping to get specifics on the data exact interaction.

glacial topaz Jul 22, 2020, 10:12 PM

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hazard level don't matter for statuses

silent sierra Jul 22, 2020, 10:18 PM

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Okay cool. Thank you!

flint wasp Jul 23, 2020, 2:32 AM

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How is the XP calculated? I thought it was Primary Objective (egg hunt - 1200XP) x Haz Bonus (153%)

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shell frigate Jul 23, 2020, 2:32 AM

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Haz bonus is not x153% but +153% as there is the base 100%

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so it's 1200 x 2.53

flint wasp Jul 23, 2020, 2:34 AM

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Ohhhhh that makes sense

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Would it be possible to add that as a small note under the Primary and Secondary objectives and/or in the notes on the Obtaining Experience section of the Wiki? Or maybe even more simply, just have an example showing a quick calculation?

shell frigate Jul 23, 2020, 2:43 AM

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There has been some confusion over it seem a good idea to add

flint wasp Jul 23, 2020, 2:43 AM

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🙂

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Thanks!

glacial topaz Jul 23, 2020, 2:52 AM

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Wouldn't it be better to just include a calculator

flint wasp Jul 23, 2020, 2:53 AM

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That would be cool - if that's possible to add to a wiki. I'm not sure if gamepedia would have something like that

glacial topaz Jul 23, 2020, 1:20 PM

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btw, shouldn't bulk infobox mention immunity to stun and fear ?since it is only mentioned on the text

weary sonnet Jul 23, 2020, 2:09 PM

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Immunity to stun should be there, I tested it so if it is missing that means I forgot it.
For fear I just didn’t test it at all so it’s more like a missing info for all creatures atm.

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The stun immunity is there for me in the infobox.

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Maybe the immunity should be moved elsewhere since it is now under the creature view.

glacial topaz Jul 23, 2020, 2:12 PM

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oh. it is below the Umodel, huh

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weary sonnet Jul 23, 2020, 2:15 PM

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It may be better just next to the elemental resistances and weaknesses though.
(Just moved it here to make it more logical and easy to see.)

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:49 AM

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Considering the pickaxe page lists the actual damage value and not the one in game, shouldn't LS and Zhukovs RoF be displayed as 15 with a notation ?

glacial valve Jul 24, 2020, 8:13 AM

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So something i have been thinking about for a while... Soundbytes of the creatures in the infobox?

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Especially for lootbugs, q'ronar, mactera (+ grabbers), oppressors, bulks, swarmers (when you get too close to a wall nest), exploders about to detonate, etc

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Oh and breeders

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These days when i start a solo mission and listen around for 10-20 secs I will have a good idea about what's lurking down there.

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But that took me a long time to learn, what all the different sounds mean

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 10:49 AM

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Humm the mineral page has a empty section of "Crafting/Upgrades"
it's a section hold minerals and other obtainable stuffs but, ~~Is it really talking about crafting lol?~~
And I think the intro of Minerals can has a small change
These resources are not required for mission objectives, but are required to craft upgrades and cosmetics. -> These resources are not required for mission objectives, but are required *for character promotion, *craft upgrades and cosmetics.
And maybe it can add that minerals can be sell or buy from mineral terminal?

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Also I think experience page can merge with promotion page

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 11:55 AM

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*sold or bought
not so sure the 2 pages deserve to be together

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 1:58 PM

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Also we probably should include the mineral matrixes

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 2:41 PM

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So something i have been thinking about for a while... Soundbytes of the creatures in the infobox?
@glacial valve that would be really cool

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 2:41 PM

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@glacial valve add the different spawn / contextual sound to the creature infobox would be good, No idea how to get them though, maybe it is possible with umodel?

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By contextual I mean stuff like hte 'reinforcement call' for the warden ie any sound with a meaning that isn’t related to spawn.

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 2:43 PM

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If it isn't possible in unmodel we can just do it ingame

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 2:44 PM

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True, but if it is possible, that would save a lot of time, that’s why I mentioned it first so we can at least check it before trying to get them all ingame.

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Yep

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 2:45 PM

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last I tried I couldn't get it on Umodel, not that I am the best at it

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 2:45 PM

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Modifying the templates to add them will take some time but won’t be a problem, I just need to figure out how to link sound files in the wiki.

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 2:45 PM

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check the bet-c page cuz it has a sound in it ?

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 2:45 PM

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I think there are some examples

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Yeah

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 2:46 PM

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That should do it if we already have some examples.

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 2:46 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/BET-C
[[File:InfectedMulePulsatingA_1.mp3|right|thumb|BET-C's Idle Pulsating Sound]]

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 2:47 PM

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Sp just upload it like you would a photo basically

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:12 PM

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is the Loot Bug eating minerals thing true ? never seen that happen

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Yes, they can eat any mineral chunk, they move very slowly though so if you tend to play fast you may never see it.

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You will get back any mineral eaten when you kill tthem.

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:15 PM

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I stopped to watch though, and never seen they turn into a chunk's direction and sometimes even go over it, can probably do a recording when I watch them again

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 3:18 PM

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They are slow at eating them, but I haven’t seen them ignore chunks so far.
I see no reasons for it to be removed from the game since it was added intentionnaly.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 3:22 PM

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*sold or bought
not so sure the 2 pages deserve to be together
Well my native isn't English so yeah fuck my grammar
Also I think they can be merged as they are also talking about Exp stuffs

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 3:33 PM

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Lootbugs are still attracted to mineral chunck, but there seems to be some limitation now.
They completly ignored a blowed up hoarder (gold included), but they went directly for the leftover mined gold.

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They can eat minerals from other lootbugs just fine as well.

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:35 PM

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is there a reason for there to be 2 electroctuted symbols on the same creature or just my impression

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 3:35 PM

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It depend on the source.

sand lantern Jul 24, 2020, 3:35 PM

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Yeah, it can do so

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:36 PM

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so should be due to bosco and stubby

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 3:36 PM

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Default electrocution is a 3 second dots, some weapons got a stronger variant that last longer (4s).
Then you have IFG debuf that isn’t electrocution, but that can triggers some buff such as the zukovs T5.
And the T5 for the stubby that is another type of electrocution with the same icon but other colors iirc.

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 3:46 PM

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stacked DoT ?

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 3:46 PM

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Well it sounds not good, but can I do translation work on the site?
I mean, translate them into chinese/cantonese?

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 4:30 PM

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You can start translating the wiki.
For now create new page and add the sufix of your language after a slash to the end of the new page name.
Like it was done here for the russian translation:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures/ru

Once you have done the front page and all the page linked to the front page, you can ask for a sub wiki to be created for that language.

I don’t think you should work on translating the templates until you have the sub wiki.

P.S. the wiki hag quite a lot of content and is constantly being updated, so translating it is a lot of work.

glacial valve Jul 24, 2020, 4:34 PM

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I agree, the wiki is still being organized and re-organized, expanded and rewritten. It's a big project if you want to keep it up to date in another language.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 4:45 PM

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Well
If there is any comfirmed pages, I wil ldo them first as I don't need to change too much since I have to work in afternoon til night lol

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 4:53 PM

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there is no such thing as confirmed pages though

glacial topaz Jul 24, 2020, 5:10 PM

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also, for todo, I think I can review the weapon skins prices (in place of the biome thing)

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:23 PM

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Well if there is jo confirmed pages
I will still go for them

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But ranking panel may need actual game info

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Or if somehow I can find from game data lmao

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:24 PM

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If you see pages that are marked at the top of the page as up to date for the current version and that aren’t on the current todo list it shouldn’t change much.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:25 PM

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Ah okay

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Perk page and individual perk page shouldn’t change much, except the See You in Hell since that one is missing data.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:26 PM

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Humm

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See you in hell... I think that perk exist

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I remember I have the perk in game but

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I think it is not what you meant

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:27 PM

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For that perk I mean I don’t know some of its effects such as the electric field duration and range or stuff like that.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:27 PM

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Isn't that

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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It is the one that allows you to explode on death.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Just give extra meele attack after being meele by mobs?

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Plus that yes.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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Ah okay

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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The melee bonus is fully documented, the explosion only partially.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:28 PM

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I see

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 5:29 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Category:Up_to_Date
Most pages here shouldn’t change much.
The one most likely to change are individual creatures pages, templates, pickaxe and weapon skin.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:32 PM

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I may use some unofficial translate for example the translation of "Magma core"
Official one translate as "熔岩之心" which means "heart/core of magma"
The one I use is "熔岩核心", which is direct translated
Is that okay to use direct translate or I just use official one?

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Oh btw one major problem
How can I login gamepedia?

austere fossil Jul 24, 2020, 5:44 PM

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I think they're still doing a big migration of their login system so it's kinda broken until that's done

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should be finished today or tomorrow maybe?

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:44 PM

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Oh

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Wtf

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Let me check now

austere fossil Jul 24, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Looks like it's still ongoing atm

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Alright then

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I will make the translated paragraphs into google docs

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 6:11 PM

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Humm one problem

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DRG has two different translations due to traditional and simplified chinese

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Also they called some exist minerals in alt names

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So umm

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Can I just use my own translation if there is no exact trnaslation between traditional or simplified chinese?

analog rock Jul 24, 2020, 6:59 PM

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@mellow path I'll be available to discuss wiki translation in about an hour and a half/ two hours.

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 7:00 PM

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Humm can we do that after some hours later?
It's midnight now and I suppose to sleep
~~But obviously I didn't sleep lmao~~

analog rock Jul 24, 2020, 7:02 PM

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It will be night for me then. Tomorrow if you would prefer.
In 23h from now, if that's ok for you ?

mellow path Jul 24, 2020, 7:04 PM

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Humm here is 3am

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You can decide it

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Well tmr I work until 11pm, so is 9 hours later okay for you? @analog rock

austere fossil Jul 24, 2020, 7:53 PM

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Is this fully correct? (regarding power attacking a frozen enemy)

Power attack will do normal damage
(from here https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Status_Effects#Frozen)
I though the direct melee portion had one component that did do triple damage against frozen enemies?

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 7:56 PM

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Power attack is 100% AoE damage only so it doesn’t do more damage vs frozen enemies.

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Direct pickaxe attack has a direct damage and aoe part, but power attack is only AoE.

austere fossil Jul 24, 2020, 7:57 PM

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right, I was thinking of the impact axe, wasn't I?

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 7:58 PM

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Impact axe is a bit weirder.

austere fossil Jul 24, 2020, 7:58 PM

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That's got 3 pieces, 1 AoE, 2 melee with 1 melee not being affected by frozen status, right?

weary sonnet Jul 24, 2020, 7:58 PM

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It has a part of the melee attack marked as a secondary damage type in the files so that prevent it from doing increased damage vs frozen targets iirc.

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AoE part is explosive, the other 2 parts are melee, with only one part of the melee attack being amplified vs frozen targets because of that (both melee sub hits are single targets, but the one doing 50 damage is marked as a secondary damage).

low hamlet Jul 24, 2020, 9:45 PM

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:(

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when is this username exchange thing gonna end D:

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 12:06 AM

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the 20% damage bonus from AC is for ST and AoE ?

lament comet Jul 25, 2020, 12:10 AM

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i believe so yeah

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 12:12 AM

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is the AC aoe 100% dmg at max radius ?

floral drift Jul 25, 2020, 12:14 AM

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no

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 12:15 AM

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values ?

floral drift Jul 25, 2020, 12:15 AM

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one sec, had to look it up

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0.75m max damage radius, 50% falloff at full radius for Autocannon

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that's the value Elyth gave to me

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 12:16 AM

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I see

craggy wraith Jul 25, 2020, 12:43 AM

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when is this username exchange thing gonna end D:
@low hamlet Should be pretty much done last I heard, they had a few hundred fringe users left to deal with this morning.
Seems like a few preferences were reset but for most users everything is back to normal

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 12:53 AM

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Was finished 2 mins after you posted that

proud cargo Jul 25, 2020, 12:54 AM

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🤷‍♂️ I still can't log in

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Which is weird, 'cause according to my Gamepedia profile page my name wasn't changed.

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 12:56 AM

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I can, though I've always signed in with Twitch

craggy wraith Jul 25, 2020, 1:01 AM

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The twitch sign-in is gone now I think

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Well I just used it

craggy wraith Jul 25, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Oh

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 1:02 AM

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Also it going would make my account inaccessable

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:29 AM

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yeah

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Let's see if i can log in

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Back in business :D

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 1:38 AM

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Well

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I just log in

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Umm

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:27 AM

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@mellow path what happened?

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 2:29 AM

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nothing
Just being normal

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 3:03 AM

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Also here is an excel of chinese translation for specific names
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1so5z4shy8OFU79u2_uP0WiNlGwG9aZjP408qQokY-tY/edit?usp=sharing

Google Docs

DRG translation sheet

Sheet1

Topics,Object(Could be anything),Official translate,Direct Translate(If exist),Other Translations/names
Traditional,Simplified
Resources,Alien Egg,蟲卵,外星蛋
Aquarq,水痕碑石,水色寶石
Morkite,墨菱石
Mini-M.U.L.E. Leg,迷你縲腳
Alien Fossil,外星化石
Apoca Bloom,異種花,彼岸花
Boolo Cap
Dystrum
Ebonut
...

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You can give comments if you know chinese

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 5:16 AM

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I need to double check but I think there are some differences in the exploders from normal ones and exploder infestation ones.

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Visually there is.

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Left is normal, right is infestation.

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In the same spot the infestation one is larger and more orange.

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weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 11:01 AM

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The exploder infestation one does more damage when exploding I think it is the only difference.
I didn’t check their files again, but this is what I remember.

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I can confirm there is no health/resistance/temperature difference with the original.

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 12:16 PM

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wow, i never noticed that. that's so handy

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 12:55 PM

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Done with weapon price review, anything left to check ?

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also should there be a page on "mechanics" for damage types ?

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 12:59 PM

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You can have a look at the pinned message

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Other thing would be added the updated template to up to date pages

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 1:01 PM

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and how would I know which ones are up to date

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 1:03 PM

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Well ones you have done a review on

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I think rn most pages are up to date unless they have not been touched in a while

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 1:13 PM

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should we do some work on the Karl page ? reconsider what should be on it and not, and other things

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 1:14 PM

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If there is anything we can add to it

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I think speculation is fine to be one there if marked as such

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Avoids people just adding it without marking it

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 1:16 PM

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not a big fan of having fan theories instead of narrowing it to in game mentions

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:17 PM

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consider it an easter egg.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 1:18 PM

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"congratz, you found an article not based on facts or research, it is all about fan theories"

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:23 PM

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yep.

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when someone spreads false karl information, just point them to that page and boom, done

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:48 PM

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@glacial valve so what's your plan for skin gallery?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:48 PM

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well what I am thinking is

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tabber

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in a table

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:48 PM

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tabber?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:49 PM

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what we also use for the creature infoboxes when they have multiple variants

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but we use icons in the tabs

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for the frameworks

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(on the horitontal tabs)
then paintjobs for those frameworks displayed vertically in a column

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:49 PM

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can you link to a page with an example

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hm

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I don't think we need to change the overall formatting really

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Just small tweaks tbh

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:50 PM

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if we add ALL those skins

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it will take forever to load

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and it will be messy
so i think we need to not have everything displayed at the same time

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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wouldn't it be the same way with the tabber?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i'm not sure

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tbh i just type with my forehead

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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i think page loads all data when you go to it

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lol

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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@weary sonnet you had some ideas right?

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:51 PM

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we could

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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anyway we might have to do a subpage for the combinations

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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have a thing

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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?

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or dropdowns/selectors

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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nvm

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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anyway shoot, i wanna hear your ideas

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i have been mulling it over as well for the past days

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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i'll sketch it

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i have to visualize stuff

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:52 PM

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agree

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also @weary sonnet how about we add the armor images from the infobox to the creature's gallery at page bottom as well?

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 1:57 PM

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So that's kinda what I was thinking

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And the classes are buttons

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To open them up for each class

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And we could have a more complicated button thingy going on as well

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 1:59 PM

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yes. i was thinking maybe a drop down on the left row for the paintjob, the framework as column header tab (or also dropdown) to pick the desired combination?

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or if you want to display all combinations vertically (bottom row right?)

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let me also sketch it

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:04 PM

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yeah

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 2:05 PM

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'like this?

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:05 PM

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hm

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yeah that could work

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 2:05 PM

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wait i have an idea, 1 min

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:06 PM

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what I think we should do is keep it like it is now, and you can prototype on your page or smthing

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 2:06 PM

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oh of course

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i'll just make a sandbox

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so this is when for example driller tab is selected, then for the frameworks there are tabs as well
then we can have all the paintjobs vertically

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or it could be per weapon on the 2nd row of tabs actually

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hmm
see this is what is messing me up 😄

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:13 PM

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yeah it's gonna be a proccess

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 2:21 PM

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I think the only way to do it well is by making custom JS, which I should be able to do but I will take a while to get it done

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If anyone knows JS well they are free to try their hand at it thuogh

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 2:23 PM

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i don't know enough to do that

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 2:35 PM

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I don’t think it is a good idea to put all images in the same page since you will need to load all of them even if you just want to check them for one class (it is still the case with tabber afaik, not sure if you use JS), and that can take a while if you have a slow connexion.

As for how to do it, the only way I see for now are tabber or custom JS and I have no experience with the later.

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 2:39 PM

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Depends how it's done in JS but I planned to have it load the image only when it's showing it

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 2:43 PM

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JS is definitly the solution then, I just checked, tabber load all images first, not a problem for creatures infobox, but it would be for the weapon skin since there is a 200+ images.

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 2:44 PM

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Just will take a while to make as wiki JS has to build half the page, you can't put listeners or anything useful on the page

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 2:51 PM

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Once you know how it will be done, let us know what can be done to the page will normal wiki code/tabber so we can get the page ready.
Maybe we can already prepare the page using one of the layout rotter/turtle proposed.

(Not sure at what level you expect to use JS, so I don’t know how much can be done to the page.)

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 2:52 PM

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It should be able to do anything, but at my last round of testing it broke when I did not make any changes so not 100% sure on anything

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 2:53 PM

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I mean I don’t know if you expect to make it at the image level only so we can work on the rest of the page or if you expect to do the whole page layout or anything between the 2.

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 2:54 PM

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You're fine to make the layout, just when JS is added classes and/or IDs will need to be added to any element JS will interact with in any way

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But If i'm doing the JS I will add those

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This was what I was originally thinking a JS layout would look like

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low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 3:10 PM

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ooh

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that looks really good

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 3:11 PM

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Just unfortunately will be a lot of work to make

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 3:14 PM

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~~now to add 3d rotation~~

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 3:14 PM

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We looked into it but it's not feasible

low hamlet Jul 25, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Sad

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 3:29 PM

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man that JS proposal looks great cyrob!
personally i am just a wikimedia peasant what types with his forehead so i'm fine with entering big blocks of code or layouting tables, but when it comes to scripting i'm a greenbeard

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 3:33 PM

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anyone knows where comes the idea that flowrate affects pressure drop / gain on cryo ? recorded 2 videos and playing them they do everything at the same time

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 3:34 PM

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I'll have to type with my forehead a bit to try get even the basics needed for it to work, so that layout may come at some point won't be for quite a while yet

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 3:34 PM

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Florate is just fire rate, it shouldn’t have any efect on pressure drop/gain rate.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 3:36 PM

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someone mentioned it would affect, so I recorded 5 videos to compare, interesting how there is a minimal pressure for it to start shooting, can you even shoot before that point with some mods ?

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 3:37 PM

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from what I understand it is more like some of the pressure/ammo is used for the spray to expand and reach the target.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 3:38 PM

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like, if you keep shooting until >100% and you don't let the fire button go the cannon will only resume shooting after getting 25% pressure or so

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 3:39 PM

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Ah, that part is different, it is related to the overheating part of the weapon, I didn’t check it in depth tbh.

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 3:41 PM

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@shell frigate it's gonna take me ages to get all the backgrounds off of the images anyhow so i'm not in a hurry

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if it happens, it happens. i don't consider that part essential for having the wiki "complete"

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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You are using a mask to do all the weapons with the same shape at once right?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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yes

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 3:42 PM

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ok

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Well there is still a lot to do, that’s for sure.

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 3:43 PM

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brb shopping for food!

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and yes, lots left to do but headway is being made

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 3:47 PM

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Even the most basic JS has broken for me now, guess I have some typo, at least this will be a good refresher

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 3:48 PM

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I did 1 more test
you can't shoot at all while the pressure isn't at least on a certain level, but only if you go above 100% drop

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(even with that "Bypassed Integrity Check" )

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 3:50 PM

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Well about translation umm

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Can I ask about them after I have a shower? Lol

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 4:03 PM

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You're free to ask at any time

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I see Dragon in that JS idea.

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Okay so

shell frigate Jul 25, 2020, 4:10 PM

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Got to build it for if it comes out :P

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:10 PM

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I have make a excel list of translation

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But some of their translate is...... weird I would say

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First, glyphid thingy

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The mobs are calling with some prefix, but glyphid in translation belike, weird you know

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About translation "Glyphid" as categories, should I use the translation of "arachnid" or just something else?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 4:22 PM

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did some work on correcting british to american spelling where i found it.

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"correcting" not meant too literally

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armour vs armor etc

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 4:23 PM

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Glyphid doesn’t mean archnid in english, the devs chose a completly new specy name.
For the translation some languages chose a new names, other tried to stay close to the Glyphid name, just altering it a bit to make it easier to say in their respective language.

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:30 PM

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It sounds easy but uhhh

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Due to my poor acknowledgment, I think I may not come up with things similar to that

wary cove Jul 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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Think of it like a company name, does something like McDonald's get its name changed in your country, or do you just say McDonald's. Glyphid would be a made up proper name, so if possible you can keep it as is.

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:34 PM

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McDonald's are translated in similar sounding words

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But glyphid ehh

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It's a catagory of shit ton of hostile mobs

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BRUH

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Should I just call it "wild spiders" in chinese? Lmao

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There are few of them are tamable but most of them don't so I only came up with that name is so dumb lmao

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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If the game is translated even partially in chinese, you could discuss it with the community translators.

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:42 PM

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Nope

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The game directly use archnid as translation

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 4:43 PM

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So you mean the game has a chinese version but they didn’t translate the word glyphid?

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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Umm

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I just switch between languages

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So yes

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Wait

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 4:44 PM

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there are 15 languages for it, including Chinese simple and traditional

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 4:45 PM

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If that is the case you should still talk with the community translator, as using the same terms in the game and wiki would be better so users don’t get lost.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 4:45 PM

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both subtitles and UI , not voice acting

mellow path Jul 25, 2020, 4:46 PM

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This is the list of traditional translation
And everything with the word "glyphid" are translated to archnid as it

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I am not sure who is the community translator tho

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 4:55 PM

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I tried to find out by crossing the crowdin names with the discord names, but they don’t seems to match, the best way would be to ask in #babelfish-lounge I guess.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 4:59 PM

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uh... why is the flag 🇵🇹 when it should be 🇧🇷 ?? , if they are even specific on the type, doesn't make sense to use the incorrect one

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 5:01 PM

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I mean, they are called spiders internally.

weary sonnet Jul 25, 2020, 5:22 PM

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Can you check the praetorian page and main creature page and tell me if I should modify the 'mini' version of the creature health template to make it less wide?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 5:43 PM

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you know they speak portuguese in brazil right

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i don't think it's that different from iberian portuguese

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(written)

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 5:47 PM

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it is

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it even is very specific on which variation is used

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There is only 1 (one) Country that has it as official language

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 6:09 PM

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Is there anything which affects chance of drednought random spawn? How small is the chance by default?

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Was it 1/70?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 6:13 PM

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something like that, yeah

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 6:15 PM

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How about the former question?

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 6:16 PM

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I think they can only spawn on haz3+ but i might be wrong

it's been a while since i read that

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i dont want to give out false information so there's my caveat

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they can only spawn in certain mission types

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 6:25 PM

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Small typo in dreadnought page tips part?

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But it many plasma blades are needed

daring ermine Jul 25, 2020, 6:54 PM

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it do be needing many plasma blades are needed tho 😳

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:02 PM

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Doesn't do bonus damage to weakspots sounds very wrong.

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Actually, maybe not.

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Need to go murder wardens again.

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 7:05 PM

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It is meant to say there are no weakpoint bonus mods

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As there are similar claims near by

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:05 PM

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Oh, alright, that makes sense but should be clarified.

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BC is incredibly inconsistent vs dreads even with triple split line.

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 7:07 PM

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Goes pretty good on health phase

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Unsure about armor though, haven't played engi for a while

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:09 PM

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Random dreads can spawn on any mission with random announced swarms.

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So basically only egg hunts can't have them afaik.

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 7:10 PM

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Elimination?

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:15 PM

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They can spawn on those.

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Not sure how, but they can.

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 7:18 PM

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random announced
Elimination
HMMM

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:18 PM

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/322078639237890049/693897777163403274/ScrewTheObjective.mp4

▶ Play video

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2 dreads came out of one pod in that mission.

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Or something like that, I forgot.

sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 7:38 PM

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Does that mean that cocoon is actually a wave trigger?

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 7:39 PM

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that is another thing

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 7:40 PM

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It wasn't Mixer or anything, just vanilla.

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I've only had it happen 1 other time.

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And yeah, it was different.

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Random dread is ScriptedWave 1

glacial valve Jul 25, 2020, 9:41 PM

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is there an overview of the scripted swarms?

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i like being able to have some control over the enemy spawning in the egg missions

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would be nice to have some more tools for other missions

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 11:06 PM

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shatter wont work at all on some enemies if their hp is too high ?

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 11:11 PM

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sand lantern Jul 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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For each fuel spent on enemy if hp is less than X you have a chance to shatter it instantly

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X being 100 afaik

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 11:12 PM

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golden epoch Jul 25, 2020, 11:38 PM

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is there a list of glyphid base movement speeds anywhere? the movment sectoin on the wiki only lists dwarf walking and running speeds, and I can't find concrete values for the glyphids anywhere.

bold plover Jul 25, 2020, 11:38 PM

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It hasn't been documented yet afaik.

golden epoch Jul 25, 2020, 11:41 PM

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challange accepted

glacial topaz Jul 25, 2020, 11:47 PM

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won't be a simple challEnge with so many variables, not sure how to make it a not so long process, and how to calculate the values

golden epoch Jul 25, 2020, 11:52 PM

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i've come up with a bit of a game plan:
get 2 players, probably scout and engineer.
use unbuilt engineer turrets gemini system to place markers 10m apart with the laser pointer
1 dwarf records video while the other runs the chosen glyphid between the markers a few times
time the glyphid between the markers, discard any obvious anomalies. (obstacles, attacks, roaring, etc)
average the results, calculate speed.

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just gotta remember to take the hazard level into account, as it also affects glyphid movement speed speed

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hopefully that's accurate enough, won't know until I try though

golden epoch Jul 26, 2020, 12:50 AM

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update: this is harder than I thought

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the laser pointer works wonderfully for figuring out how quickly something is moving, you can just ping it and look away and it will tell you how close it is as it aproaches.
problem is nothing wants to walk in a straight line

floral drift Jul 26, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Try playing a point extraction mission, they generally spawn with open flat ground that will make the shortest distance a straight line on the ground to you

glacial topaz Jul 26, 2020, 2:06 AM

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lots of "armour" to "armor" changes, gg
one of the fixes conflicted with the official report though

sleek jackal Jul 26, 2020, 5:41 AM

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Hey guys, I've a question relating to deep dives and their xp earnings; How is mineral XP calculated here? Is it a per mission basis? is there an overall final multiplier for the entire dives earnings? Or do dives just give a flat completion bonus?

bold plover Jul 26, 2020, 5:49 AM

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It is normal afaik.

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So if you fail at stage 2 you get the earnings of the previous stage + whatever you got before failing.

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And when you beat all 3, all 3 missions worth of stuff is counted at the end.

sleek jackal Jul 26, 2020, 5:56 AM

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Normal as in normal multiplier per map or normal as in normal xp - no multiplier?

bold plover Jul 26, 2020, 6:16 AM

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Oh, I guess I read your message incorrectly.

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https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/626770765525680170/700771317951102996/unknown.png

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This is what I got from just completing the missions without exiting the spawn pod if that helps.

bold plover Jul 26, 2020, 7:21 AM

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Also, random note, generic hero is just a gunner model.

sleek jackal Jul 26, 2020, 8:02 AM

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Yeah thats got me curious, I was asked by a commenter on my video about mineral rewards over the quota but saw no mention of minerals under XP for deep dives.

sand lantern Jul 26, 2020, 8:11 AM

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Deep dives no fair :(

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I think this makes you want to play simple missions more

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Since DD is always the same

sleek jackal Jul 27, 2020, 1:59 AM

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how come the glacial strata variant of the praetorian on the creature page has no resistances? Doesn't it have increased cold resistance and a weakness to heat? For that also the goo bomber variant has no changes to it's resistances from the regular variant.

bold plover Jul 27, 2020, 2:06 AM

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WIP

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:09 AM

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so I've done some work towards figuring out how fast bugs move, and it is not very consistent. I've clocked the same grunt moving anywhere from 3.13 m/s to 2.33m/s on an identical stretch of environment. maybe it got tired?
I also noted that bugs seem to slow down once they are within a few meters of a dwarf, and i'm not sure how to factor that in. praetorians especially seem to get a speed boost when not within a 15m radius of a dwarf, and it's enough of a boost that you can hear it in their footsteps.

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:17 AM

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Chase speed sounds the most important one, but not sure how many speed instances they can get

bold plover Jul 27, 2020, 3:18 AM

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I know they can get random speed boosts.

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:20 AM

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I wonder if they loose speed over time?

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:21 AM

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Lose speed and never get it back ? maybe it is more like random speed boosts and random slowdowns

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:23 AM

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maybe. I know most of the glyphids will fall somewhere between 3m/s and 5 m/s on average, as they can consistently catch a walking dwarf, but can't chase down a running one.

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:26 AM

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wonder if making a floating bridge ring with platforms would show interesting results, having someone record and check how often it speeds up or down, eventually I expect some magic will need to be used for testing

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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i've been doing this on haz 3, which has a movespeed modifier of 1.0

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:27 AM

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solo ?

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:28 AM

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yeah

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I don't think number of players has any bearing on movespeed but now i'm not sure

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:30 AM

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not for that , but to have someone record from an outside view, sounds easier than running between 2 points

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:32 AM

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that probably would be easier, i've just been using the ping system.
ping the bug, run across the room, record how long it takes to reach me after I reach a standstill.

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2 people would make that a lot easier

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unfortunately I do not have easy access to another person with low latency to test this with, so i'm going to have to put my efforts on hold for the time being.

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:34 AM

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maybe there are other creative ways

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:51 AM

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We should be able to pull some speed numbers from the files or console but they would be in Unreal Units

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:53 AM

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I feel I could get that, not sure... would love though

floral drift Jul 27, 2020, 3:56 AM

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Are “Unreal Units” anything like Source Engine “Hammer Units”?

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:56 AM

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I'm only looking comparing the glyphids to each other, so the units don't really matter to me.

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hammer units are fun

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:57 AM

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I would assume so but have not looked into it just know it's numbers around 300 etc.

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Also you should take the haz speed bonus into account, but those numbers are on the wiki

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:59 AM

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it will probably be easier to figure out a conversion form unreal units to meters in game than measuring the move speed of each and every glyphid.
there would be a lot of triangulation involved with the webspitters.

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 4:00 AM

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Yeah, molly may be best to measure, I thought she had a speed of 300

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But not certain

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 4:01 AM

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that's actually a good point, molly would be an ideal candidate for converting one unit to another, the call function would make it much easier.

sleek jackal Jul 27, 2020, 6:45 AM

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Glad you guys are looking into this honestly. I've noticed and asked around in the past about a random speed boost that grunts seem to get, but nobody was ever able to figure out what exactly is causing it. It's almost like some sort of crazy bloodlust. Hope you guys can work it out I'd love to finally know the reason behind it.

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 12:21 PM

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how come the glacial strata variant of the praetorian on the creature page has no resistances? Doesn't it have increased cold resistance and a weakness to heat? For that also the goo bomber variant has no changes to it's resistances from the regular variant.
@sleek jackal
All infobox info should be reliable, unless I made a typo when making them.
For frost praet and ice bomber it was not a mistake, their resistances don’t change in glacial strata.
Their temperature stats do change.

glacial valve Jul 27, 2020, 1:14 PM

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so, won't be able to to do much for a bit. latest windows update broke my laptop's ability to use any kind of mouse

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can't game either

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it's utterly borked

sleek jackal Jul 27, 2020, 1:15 PM

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@weary sonnet ahhh right. That makes sense. Interesting.

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Thanks for the explanation as always. 👍

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 2:30 PM

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some of the values I could get, we have to check what they mean and other things

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shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 2:48 PM

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Ah I was right with Molly being 300, having all those number now is quite nice, just need to find out what the conversion is

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 2:52 PM

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there is another interesting value to get, but playing the game normally for now

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:00 PM

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what a nice thing to wake up to

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:03 PM

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if you want to test, know that Dwarves also have 300 as speed value, just no idea if it is for walking or sprinting,

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Walking I'm pretty sure

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:12 PM

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I would guess walking, as molly is not fast enough to keep up with a running dwarf

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:12 PM

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Molly definitely is not a sprinter

low hamlet Jul 27, 2020, 3:12 PM

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@glacial valve on the weapon skins page, I'm going to remove the bits with the icons since it doesn't look great the way it is rn, and I'm gonna put the code on my page. Let me know if you want me to send you the code

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:12 PM

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dwarf walking speed also happens to be recorded as 3m/s on the wiki..

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is m in game just unreal units / 100?

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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Hopefully

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:13 PM

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now that would be very convenient

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 3:14 PM

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For distance it is the case, 100 unit = 1m.

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For speed not sure.

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:15 PM

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centimeters / s ?

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:15 PM

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well speed is generally measured in distance over time, so it would make sense

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:16 PM

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so 300 = 3m/s

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 3:16 PM

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When I tried to mesure speed in game it was a bit off so far when I compared it to m/s.

low hamlet Jul 27, 2020, 3:17 PM

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yeah

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Measurements ingame are off

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stuff doesnt match up

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i tried using the round lengths to get heights of dwarves and it did not work

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super off

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Molly speed testing should give us a good conversion number

low hamlet Jul 27, 2020, 3:22 PM

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oh yeah true

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since they'd probably be on the same relative scale

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:39 PM

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success!
when molly is moving in a straight line at full tilt she will cover exactly 3.0 meters in 1.00 seconds

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it took a bit of angling, but I got her to walk in a straight line for a few seconds wit the laser ping on her, and that was the result

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:43 PM

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Glad it is an easy conversion

glacial valve Jul 27, 2020, 3:46 PM

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go for it @low hamlet

golden epoch Jul 27, 2020, 3:47 PM

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I now have some more voice lines to record for my next video, cheers

glacial topaz Jul 27, 2020, 3:47 PM

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max shooting distance for mactera seems nice too, which other values we should be looking to find ?

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 3:52 PM

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If you manage to find the class/parameters for status effect or clouds let me know, I couldn’t find theses.
Things like damage interval, cloud radius/max radius, duration, damage type… same for some attack like acid/cold breath.

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I know enemies also have an aggro range, this one should be too hard to find, not sure how useful that would be, but I think I have the parameter name for that.

austere fossil Jul 27, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Useful for Spitballers/BET-C/Huuli

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:53 PM

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Cloud damage is done by status effect

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E.g. \FSD\Content\Enemies\Spider\Tank\STE_Spider_Tank_FrostCloud

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 3:55 PM

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I found theses classes, but I couldn’t get anything useful out of them.

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:56 PM

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They have some stuff in them ```JSON
"DamageClass": ["DMG_Cold", "/Game/GameElements/Damage/DMG_Cold"],
"ApplyEffectsInterval": {
"Min": 0.5,
"Max": 0.5
},
"Duration": 0.5,
"ApplyDurationAfterPop": true,
"ExcludeTargetsWithTags": {
"gameplay_tags": ["Creatures.Glyphids.Tank"]
}
}, {
"export_type": "HeatSourceStatusEffectItem",
"Temperature": -100.0,
"Intensity": "ETemperatureIntensity::Cold1"
}, {
"export_type": "StatChangeStatusEffectItem",
"Stat": ["PST_MovementSpeedPenalty", "/Game/GameElements/PawnStats/PST_MovementSpeedPenalty"],
"StatChange": 0.5
}

weary sonnet Jul 27, 2020, 3:57 PM

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For the aggro range, the parameter name is 'TargetingRange', the class name should be 'BTService_FindAttackable'

shell frigate Jul 27, 2020, 3:58 PM

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For the normal cloud JSON "PawnAffliction": ["PAF_Coughing_Poison", "/Game/GameElements/PawnAffliction/PAF_Coughing_Poison"], "DamageClass": ["DMG_Poison", "/Game/GameElements/Damage/DMG_Poison"], "ApplyEffectsInterval": { "Min": 1.0, "Max": 1.5 }, "ExcludeTargetsWithTags": { "gameplay_tags": ["Creatures.Glyphids"] } }, { "export_type": "DotStatusEffectItem", "DamageAmount": { "Min": 3.0, "Max": 3.0 }

weary sonnet Jul 28, 2020, 2:02 PM

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Cyrob, do you think I can remove the old health templates now?
The new one is used everywhere, the different 'cases' can be seen on creature main page, individual page and on creature armor page:
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creatures
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Dreadnought#Health_and_Armor
https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Creature_Armor#Health_per_Plate

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 2:05 PM

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Yeah should be good to be removed

weary sonnet Jul 28, 2020, 2:08 PM

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The creature sandbox and cell aren’t used any anymore either right?

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 2:36 PM

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They are not

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 2:55 PM

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Hi! I was sent here from general chat with my questions 😅 I'm trying to make proper calculations about mission effectiveness and most of the numbers seem okay. There is one exception though: Base mission objective type XP. I'm looking at this screenshot https://take.ms/reGeN and it appears that Mining Expeditions give different amount of XP for different amount of Morkite required to mine.

But what about other types of missions? There can be 4/6/8 Eggs, 2/3 Mules, 7/10 Aquarqs, 2/3 Dreadnaughts. I mean 4 vs 8 eggs is literally double the amount, shouldn't the amount of base objective XP be also doubled? With Morkite we have 200 = 1700 XP, 400 = 3400 XP, but Eggs go 4 = 1200, 8 = 1200?

Two main things that bother me is that Experience article has "stub" and "may need cleanup" tags. And also if I go to the Point Extraction article there appears to be different numbers for 7/10 Aquarqs https://take.ms/d8AUs. Judging by the numbers it seem that 1750 base XP is rewarded for 10 aquarqs, while base reward for 7 aquarqs is ~1211 XP. But then again Experience article says that both 7 and 10 aquarq objectives should give 1750 base XP.

Monosnap screenshot tool

Screenshot "Experience - Official Deep Rock Galactic Wiki - Google ...

glacial topaz Jul 28, 2020, 2:58 PM

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only mining expedition got different exp values

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if you want to suggest it to give different values we have #suggestions , just make sure it wasn't suggested before

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:01 PM

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but why in this case the base amount of XP is different in the Point Extraction article on wiki?

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:02 PM

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The Point Extraction numbers are just with the length complexity bonuses applied as that is how they were shown on the mission map

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:02 PM

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shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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The last row is the base valve

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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Yes, that's the problem

austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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(why is the base value less than the one with the bonuses applied)

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:03 PM

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exactly

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on the 10 aquarqs section we have +20% for Length, + 20% for complexity, so 1750+40%=2450 XP, which is correct

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:04 PM

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Unless the values have changed consider the base valve and the ones on the experience page the accurate ones

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:05 PM

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on the 7 aquarqs section, there is +10% for Length, +20% for complexity, so we have a 30% total bonus. Judging by this numbers, the base amount of XP for 7 aquars should be 1575 / 1,3 = 1211,5

austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:06 PM

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That's assuming the 1575 number is correct, which presumably it is not

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:07 PM

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well yeah, that's why I'm trying to figure out what is correct. Because if there is one miscalculation on wiki, it could be anywhere else as well

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:08 PM

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Yeah if they conflict the base valve would be the right one

glacial topaz Jul 28, 2020, 3:08 PM

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I didn't review those values though

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:08 PM

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interesting to note, that on Elimination section, there is no XP for 2 Dreadnaughts at all

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shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:08 PM

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As I got all them and did proper checks on them, and I don't think they have changed since

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I guess whoever was adding that section did not find the number

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:09 PM

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but you say that it's the same for 2 and 3

austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:09 PM

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For the base values section you should leave the length/complexity/objective boxes empty

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as is it kind of implies there's a missing row

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:10 PM

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The base values are the same for all mission numbers except Mining

austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:11 PM

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right, so why is the base values labelled as length/complexity 3?

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:11 PM

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The base values are the same for all mission numbers except Mining
@shell frigate okay then, i'll make my calculations basing on this fact, thanks 👍

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:11 PM

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The whole doing payout by objective number does not work as the payout is mainly multiplied by haz at the same time as it is length & complexity

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You should be able to check the numbers if you have a screenshot of the end mission screen

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:13 PM

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end of the mission screen is the most messy thing I've seen, I can't get any reliable info from there

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:13 PM

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E.g. 5040 / 2.88 = 1750

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austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:14 PM

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What I'm saying is do this

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Just leave those boxes empty

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Or put "All lengths"

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

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Seems good

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:15 PM

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E.g. 5040 / 2.88 = 1750
@shell frigate Hmm, why do you divide by 2,88, shouldn't it be 1,88?

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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Hazard bonus is +188% it has a base 100%

austere fossil Jul 28, 2020, 3:16 PM

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not 1.88 multiplier, 1.88 additional

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bonus

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so 100% + 188% = 288%, 2.88x

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:19 PM

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Had 4 people just this week in this channel get confused about that, so it's something we plan to explain on the wiki somewhere

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:20 PM

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@shell frigate @austere fossil ah indeed, makes perfect sense now, I'll be doing some extra calculations based on the ending screen then, many thanks!

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Oh, and one more thing, am I right to assume that numbers of objectives is always tied to a fixed Length+Complexity? I think that's what @shell frigate mentioned a bit earlier: there is real point of using base values, so generally speaking 2 dreadnaughts will always have Length/Complexity 2 and 3 dreadnaughts will always have Length/Complexity 3. And same with aquarqs? Collect 7 pieces will always have Length 2/Complexity 3, while 10 pieces will always have Length 3/Complexity 3.

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there is no real point*

shell frigate Jul 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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Yes they are always fixed to those

hoary seal Jul 28, 2020, 3:27 PM

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superb, things are much clearer now, thanks again!

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:26 AM

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is aggressive venting mod 10% or 1000% fear ?

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 1:31 AM

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as with most things in this game, it's more complicated than that

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@floral drift did some testing to suss out the most likely formula for it but I'll try and sum it up

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Enemies have a courage value

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:33 AM

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I mean, I just wanted the raw value, but sure

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 1:34 AM

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oh, raw value is 10

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courage values are usually between 0 and 1

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:36 AM

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so that's 1000%

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 1:36 AM

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I wouldn't call them %s

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:37 AM

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it is in game, fear is %, sticky grenade has a 250% value in it

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 1:38 AM

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it's just that the formula looks something like (1.0 - Courage) * Fear Factor

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And while Field Medic and SYIH have a fear factor of 10, they still fear things with >1 courage

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These are the enemies with non-zero courage

Acid Spitter 0.3
Web Spitter 0.3
Grunt 0.5
Slasher 0.5
Guard 0.5
Warden 0.5
Huuli Hoarder 0.5
Dreadnought 1.0
Bulk Detonator 1.0
Oppressor 100
Menace 0.7```

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yeah, for some reason the oppressor has 100 courage despite 100 and 1 being effectively identical

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:44 AM

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also , guard page

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I have added a bunch of the "unique Mods / overclocks" to a list for me to try finding more info about them, not sure about weapon base stats though

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 1:51 AM

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Yeah turns out 9 pages used template we deleted, did not catch it as they were not using the main one they were meant to

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Huh the missing template is still there on the slasher page

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 1:58 AM

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got 15 things to try to check and that is because I excluded BC from the list, should be fun, I will report on them with methods and discoveries

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 1:59 AM

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The health tables should be fixed now

acoustic scarab Jul 29, 2020, 8:17 AM

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It seems that https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Accessory_Shop#Headwear is missing the hats from https://discordapp.com/channels/257785731072786435/565850434376302613/737944119506108416

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Is new headwear added frequently?

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 8:47 AM

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This one

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Update_30:_Going_1.0#Prestige_Assignments

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Update 30: Going 1.0

Update 30: Going 1.0 was released on the 13th May 2020.

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@acoustic scarab

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Some cosmetics are also planned to be added in next update

acoustic scarab Jul 29, 2020, 8:50 AM

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I'm making a spreadsheet for tracking unlocks, is there a way to see the names of the prestige assignment helmets?

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 8:51 AM

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I can send you these

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But there's already a spreadsheet to pretty much everything

acoustic scarab Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I'd love a link to it

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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I sent you one...

acoustic scarab Jul 29, 2020, 8:53 AM

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Thanks!

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 11:49 AM

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Which Enemies are resistant, but not immune to electrocution ?

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 11:51 AM

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I don’t think there is such a case, some a resistant to electricity or immune to electrocution, but resistant to electrocution I don’t think so.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 11:53 AM

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if you want you can add sounds and Weapon unique effects research for me, trying to learn more about m1000 electric shots OC and shotgun jump

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 11:55 AM

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I know that the electrocution for the M1k is purposely longer than normal, its duration is 4s while the baseline electrocution is 3s.
This was confirmed by MikeGSG.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 11:58 AM

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any suggestions for how to present the sound effects ? starting with enemy ones, will start by sorting the more interesting ones

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 12:00 PM

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For the enemies we could directly add them to the infobox as there should be 1 to 3 sounds per creatures so it shouldn’t be a problem.

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If there is more than that, we can use a dedicated section.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 12:00 PM

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even with some sounds having 3+ variations ?

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:17 PM

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which category should I put the audio on ?

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 2:21 PM

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Up till now they have had their own custom category e.g Mission Control Audio

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Could have them all under Enemy Audio for now

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:24 PM

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guessing you can't bulk add a category to multiple articles ?

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 2:26 PM

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Nope

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:26 PM

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zzz

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 2:27 PM

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Well we as the admins may be able to make the find and replace do it, the time to set that up would probably be the same as manually doing it

proud cargo Jul 29, 2020, 2:28 PM

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guessing you can't bulk add a category to multiple articles ?
@glacial topaz Bots. That's what bots are for

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Or at least if it's easy to recognise what pages to add it to

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 2:29 PM

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Those have some time to set up, and manually doing it takes <5 mins

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:31 PM

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some sounds have a version for playing at a distance, I uploaded some of it, but not sure how useful it will be

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:52 PM

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hmmmm, how is this ? would like if the "dots" weren't so close to the icon

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shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 2:53 PM

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Short and sweet

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 2:54 PM

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mind that it might be bigger than 100%, but since everything is either immune or neutral to it...

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 3:31 PM

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how is this

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austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 3:36 PM

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I'd use "pushed" instead of "propelled" to help convey that it preserves momentum
so "...get pushed in the..." instead of "...get propelled to the..."

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 3:37 PM

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🤔

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"affects the effects of the push" ?

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 3:39 PM

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in the first sentence

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The last one is a bit weird as well, regardless of push/propel

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 3:41 PM

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new version

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austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 3:42 PM

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could change bullet's to pellets' since it's a shotgun

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 3:44 PM

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anything other than that ?

austere fossil Jul 29, 2020, 3:45 PM

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you've got the Player in the first line and The Player in the last

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("The" being capitalized in the last line)

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I think that's it though

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 3:48 PM

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Looks good to me.
If you want to get a better control for the alignment, we could make a small template to create an invisible table around the OC icon and text (once you know how you want to display it).

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 3:51 PM

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sounds good to add it later, gonna focus on getting the base info for now, working on LS bullet hell and brt electro shots

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also, accepting suggestions of which other sounds I should upload

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interesting, seems bullet hell will make bullets search in a 9 meters radius for a target, loot bugs don't count

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bit hard to check the distance when everything moves... and spitball keeps hitting you

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suggestions ?

glacial valve Jul 29, 2020, 4:23 PM

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get another player to shoot the spitballer's projectiles?

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 4:24 PM

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Make the spitballer blind so he doesn’t shot you?

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 4:25 PM

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having more non moving target options would help too

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 4:52 PM

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thoughts ?

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sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 6:45 PM

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Found an interesting thing, unsure if should be noted on wiki:
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/704785395321143457/738055791935750204/unknown.png
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/728981087065342004/738056184468078602/unknown.png

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 7:29 PM

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Yeah, they are certain objects that randomize the pickaxe parts.

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Spawned a few the other day and thought it was cool.

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 9:47 PM

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It looks like shellback ignore even absolute fear

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One passed through SYIH field not caring at all

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Unfolded

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 9:48 PM

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tf is that

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 9:48 PM

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?

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see you in hell

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 9:49 PM

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where does it say absolute fear, also the fear mechanics aren't 100% known

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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I'll just confirm something for you.

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Well, jumped straight into conclusions
But amongst all creatures I can only remember shellback passing through gunner shield. Maybe nayaka is also like that

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 9:52 PM

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Think grabbers can too

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 9:53 PM

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That was fixed afaik

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 9:53 PM

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Shellbacks and Trawlers have a different movement type than most enemies and therefore shields and fear do not work for them.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 9:53 PM

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shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 9:54 PM

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Ah yeah definitely did happen a lot before

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 9:54 PM

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I asked one of the developers about Shellbacks and Trawlers and they can't fix them going through the shield atm due to different movement type.

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Only one they could fix was the Grabber.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 9:55 PM

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what if they make them stop rolling ?

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if they are near the shield, they open up , and curl up again to roll away

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 9:56 PM

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@bold plover doesn't unfolded shellback move normally?

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 9:56 PM

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Trawlers can't roll.

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Apparently not.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 9:59 PM

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so they can't turn ? or is there another flaw on what I suggested

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 10:01 PM

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How would I know?

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 10:01 PM

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by remembering if you have ever seen a shellback roll to a direction that is not the same as the one it had when it stopped rolling

bold plover Jul 29, 2020, 10:01 PM

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A developer said that they use different movements and don't work well with the shield and they can't do much about it atm so I'll assume that they have thought of that.

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 11:37 PM

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what are you guys working on

shell frigate Jul 29, 2020, 11:44 PM

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No wiki stuff today, got Discord assets to make for an event (for another Discord)

glacial topaz Jul 29, 2020, 11:47 PM

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not right now, as in, this week

sand lantern Jul 29, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Tried to get copies of DRG private alpha from Soren, not really sure if it was successful

weary sonnet Jul 29, 2020, 11:49 PM

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Write a proper documentation for the health template, then slowly gather all the data for creature attacks.

shell frigate Jul 30, 2020, 12:01 AM

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Sometime this week I'll work more on Weapon gallery JS

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 12:05 AM

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something to add on todo list: the enemy speed info

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just as a general one

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 12:07 AM

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If you can provide the getalls for whatever needs to be documented I can do it.

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I just don't know the respective objects parameters.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 12:19 AM

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we kinda already have the numbers, just not 100% sure on what triggers each type of speed

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:11 PM

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turret arc seems to have a lot of variables on it, bit hard to understand it

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:14 PM

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I think I am done with the health template and removing the old one/unused pages related to it.
If you notice anything not working related to that let me know.

The only think I could add at this point is an optional title for the table so we can use it on some pages to display something else than enemy health and tell directly with the title what it is.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:14 PM

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number of shots you need to activate it seems to not be constant, as well as the time it stays active, however it seerms like it uses the same effect as elector crystals from crystalline Caverns

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:15 PM

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I think it is a fix chance to activate it each time you shot it.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:15 PM

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couldn't find any variable for that, maybe it is related to stubby and not the turrets ?

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:17 PM

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You can try a ListProps on that class if you didn’t try it already:
SCE_SMG_EMPDischarge_C

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:18 PM

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isn't that one for the aoe attack ? I am checking the gemini ones

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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Ah my bad you are checking the link between the 2 turrets?

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:19 PM

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yup

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weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:22 PM

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I got pretty much nothing in the files for that one.

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The only thing I see that could be a class is ElectricalSMGUpgrade

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:23 PM

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so far I got something like
Min-Max unlit time = 0.2
Min-Max Lit time = 0.1
as well as the part it seems to use the same effect as the electrocrystalls from the biome

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and it seems to work as a vertical arc as well, but I have to check some more

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 2:28 PM

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OC_SMG_Turret-Beam_U
Bonus_PlasmaBeam_SMG
I found theses 2 as well, nothing else in the files I can access.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 2:29 PM

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searched dor stuff related to ElectroBeam , seeing if "SMG" got anything going for it

shell frigate Jul 30, 2020, 2:56 PM

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We got some concept art for new biome features https://steamcommunity.com/games/DeepRockGalactic/announcements/detail/2729696656286126133

Steam :: Deep Rock Galactic :: Back to work + Community merch + Bio...

Greetings, Miners! We’re back from the summer holiday, which most of us spend within the Danish borders due to the COVID-19 pandemic. Denmark seems to have flattened the curve and is more or less back in business with a few modifications. Luckily, we have been able to adapt to...

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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hmmm

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floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 3:55 PM

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@glacial topaz i don't know this for a fact, but from when i tested Turret Arc OC a few months ago, this is how i think it works: if the bullet fired from Stubby SMG would have electrocuted an enemy (positive Electrocute proc), it instead electrocutes the turret for 3 seconds (normal electrocute DoT duration). during those three seconds, it has a small (1.5m?) radius that electrocutes both nearby dwarves and enemies like shocking crystals in Crystalline Caverns. If another turret within 10m gets electrocuted in a similar fashion before turret A's DoT wears off, both electrocute DoTs get paused, and a lightning beam arcs between the two turrets for 10-12 seconds. once that lightning beam expires, the turrets must finish their current Electrocute DoTs before another beam can be proc'd. effectively, you can't proc a beam between A and B, then B and A using the same DoT on B.

take this all with a grain of salt, since it's just testing and observation, but that's my best guess about Turret Arc. it's tied to the SMG Electrocute chance for activation.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 3:56 PM

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based on that, it should be tested with a 0% chance stubby and a 100% chance one

floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 3:57 PM

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yeah, that would be a good "litmus test" if my hypothesis is on the right track. 0% chance SMG proc rate would quickly confirm or invalidate

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 4:00 PM

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did you test if ricochet can proc twice ? so bullet hell, you hit the ground , the bullet hit an enemy and the same bullet goes to another enemy

floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 4:02 PM

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i don't have good data on that. i did a couple missions trying to test that, but at the time i didn't have access to things like invincibility or slowing time to carefully observe the bullet paths. as such, i wasn't able to observe a double ricochet if it happened.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 4:03 PM

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guessing that changing the chance to 90-100% would help , or just try firing 1 bullet on the ground near 2 enemies

analog rock Jul 30, 2020, 4:05 PM

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IIrc, Ely tested that and had gooten a 50% chance on each hit to bounce...

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The bullet hell thing

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 4:06 PM

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well, yes, that part is clear, not the thing though

floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 4:12 PM

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yeah, 50% chance to ricochet at all. not clear if it can ricochet more than once is the question

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 4:13 PM

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the point for 100% chance is that it would keep doing it

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the only thing I know is the chance and the range the bullet can search for a new target

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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I have the object for the beam, will have to grab it when I am back on my computer though.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 4:39 PM

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eh ??

floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 4:47 PM

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i think he's talking about the lightning beam between two turrets with Turret Arc OC

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 5:19 PM

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Yes

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 5:23 PM

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and what will you do with it

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 5:46 PM

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Give it to you guys.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 5:47 PM

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and what are we gonna do with it

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 5:50 PM

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It seemed like Ely had some idea for it.

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 5:55 PM

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Some ideas about what?

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 5:56 PM

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The object for the turret arc beams.

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Not sure if that is helpful at all though.

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Have it for the coil too.

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As well as discharge but that one is obvious.

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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It could be to check its properties, but it won’t help to check how to proc it.

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 5:58 PM

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Better than nothing, lol.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 6:21 PM

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well, might as well check if there is any differences betweem it and electrocrystals, it seems to be the same , but let's confirm and we can use both info

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 6:57 PM

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BP_EletrocutedSentry_C BP_Sentry_PlasmaBeam_C BP_TurretEMPDischarge_C

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Yes, it is "eletro" cuted.

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Not sure if those are the type of objects that are useful, but that is what I have and should give the idea.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 7:00 PM

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pretty sure I already got the variables for those, and don't think last one is related

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 7:01 PM

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It is for EMD, which is what I said I'd also provide.

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There's also a ton of different turret objects.

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Redeployable, placeable, stationary, placemarker, movemarker

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 7:50 PM

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if I want to check the time bettwen bullets in a brt burst think that recording it being used and checking how often the hp bar goes down would work ?

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 8:02 PM

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If you have something to record at a high fps and do a couple test to get an average that could work.

austere fossil Jul 30, 2020, 8:02 PM

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could go by ammo counter instead of watching a healthbar

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 PM

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The ammo display is pretty accurate so that should work indeed.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 8:03 PM

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nice, well, I will do it later, unless someone wants to do it and sent it to me to check, taking a break to play other games

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 9:48 PM

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did a quick check with a 30 fps one I had, seems to be 2-3 frames between each shot, wonder which frame speed I should use for it

floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 9:49 PM

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oh, the BRT?

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it's 20 RoF between bullets

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0.05 sec

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so, 80 fps would be 4 frames between bullets

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 9:52 PM

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how is it possible that it took up to 3 frames though ? 1 frame is 0.033... seconds for 30 fps, I can try highest fps possible to be more accurate

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how can it be refreshed if it only procs once in a bug ? (Neurotoxin)

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floral drift Jul 30, 2020, 10:02 PM

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that's the thing about framerate, though: at slower FPS, things that change faster than the framerate refreshes get omitted because they aren't "drawn" fast enough

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also, are you watching the ammo counter on the BRT gun itself, or the ammo counter in the bottom-right?

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the ammo counter on the gun model itself is the most accurate -- bot-right counter is always a frame behind

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:08 PM

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set to 100 fps now, just have to remember to change it in game too, does it support 100 fps ?

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:08 PM

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I believe that means that neurotoxin doesn't stack damage wise or slow wise.

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Just duration.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:09 PM

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that is what refresh means though

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see

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weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 10:09 PM

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I did a few test at 100 fps, it worked fine.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:09 PM

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that makes things easier, what did you learn

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:10 PM

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So what is wrong with that statement then?

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 10:10 PM

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Not on that, I mean on something else, I tested heat and dots using 100 fps before, I didn’t do the test today.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:11 PM

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to refresh you have to do it again, but it says you can only proc once

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:11 PM

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Should be stack or something then. "The timer can be refreshed but the effects do not stack with multiple procs."

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Since you can increase the timer by inflicting it again.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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that page needs to be worked on it seems , might want to add that one

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Ok.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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a lot of information is missing

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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What page is that?

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Status_Effects

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:14 PM

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Bulldog, AC, grenade?

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Ah, thanks.

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I think just removing that parenthesis bit would work.

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Eh, I'll just add a new line with some info.

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Has anyone tested to see if damage reduction from AC or VD work for suffocation?

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I know the drop pod zone reduces it.

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* Suffocating dwarves will take constant damage, ignoring [[Health|shields]].

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Is this right?

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Pretty sure it goes directly to health damage.

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Wait, display

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Never mind, lol.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:26 PM

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think the page should get a complete rework ? not sure where it fits to add the missing info and check if they are up to date

weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Suffocation does ignore shiels.

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:29 PM

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Yeah, I just forgot that the separator allows the link with a different name. Thought it was saying both health and shields were ignored.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:30 PM

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so... about that, is there any recording of the streams and the time stamp for one to check

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weary sonnet Jul 30, 2020, 10:30 PM

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No idea about that.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:30 PM

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leave it like that and fix the "22" to "32" or remove ?

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:31 PM

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Feel like that doesn't matter anymore.

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Oh.

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Is it supposed to be 32?

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:31 PM

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yes, the next one, for the 2 new mission types

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I thought it wasn't a good idea to add those pages, but better not forget about them

bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:32 PM

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Could just change it to 3rd quarter of 2020.

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Since that is at least confirmed.

glacial topaz Jul 30, 2020, 10:34 PM

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already in that part

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bold plover Jul 30, 2020, 10:43 PM

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Ah.

hollow trench Jul 31, 2020, 1:22 AM

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https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Achievements
"Like a well oiled machine" achievement doesn't list the requirement that there are no downed dwarves. It does in Steam, and I just tested it. We had 0 resupplies, but someone was downed, and I didn't get the achievement.

Deep Rock Galactic Wiki

Achievements

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in Steam "Successfully complete a Hazard Level 4 mission from start to finish where no dwarf goes down and without ordering a resupply."

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 1:23 AM

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I didn't do a review on that, feel free to add that one for the future todo list

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 1:33 AM

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I can check over them real quick.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 1:35 AM

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nice

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 1:52 AM

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Alright, updated some of them, will add more links in the text either later or tomorrow.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 3:17 AM

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for spitball page "Its only attack is to fire acidic mortar globs" does mortar even fits ? on another note I guess a screenshot of it would be neat... might try my hand on some projectile screenshots after I am done with this weeks stuff, what you guys think

analog rock Jul 31, 2020, 4:38 AM

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Mortar is the name the devs use in the files, might also be the name of the attack in the MM. Needs to be checked.

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 10:59 AM

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"Acid Mortar" is indeed the name of the attack in the MM.

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Acid doesn’t really makes sense since they do kinetic + explosive damage unless it has changed since the last time I tested them.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 11:21 AM

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Hmm. So more like a field gun than a mortar actually.
not even a howitzer. direct fire. explosive and kinetic

analog rock Jul 31, 2020, 12:57 PM

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I think they put acid in the name because the animation is made to resemble a semi liquid blob...

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 1:25 PM

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I think the name should be related to how it looks and not the in scripts name, is there anything in game ? only remember laser Pointer saying "spitballer projectile" iirc

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 2:37 PM

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Is there anything i can do?

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I've been a bit of useless for past week

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 2:39 PM

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-test how many times the same bullet can ricochet

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-try to check if turret arc OC activation is related to electrocution chance on stubby

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-make a list of which creature sounds would be nice to have for each one of them, havent uploaded all yet

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all things I will do later, but

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 3:11 PM

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I could compile list of creature sounds

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That we need

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Are the ones you uploaded on their respective creature pages?

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Oh that's something i could do

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Fill out creature page info

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*creature pages

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 3:14 PM

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better to just give you a list, they are nowhere because we are figuring out how we want to show them
-grabber scream
-opressor idle
-menace unborrow
-breeder laying egg / idle
-trawler scream
-warden buff loop
-Bulk idle
-ghost ambience
-exploders (scream and wind up)
-loot bug (hurt)

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 3:14 PM

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alright

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I can make a full list of sounds we could add

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also

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should there be links on achievements page or no?

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(Unlocking two rocket-related Bosco upgrades seems to also count) is this still a thing

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 3:29 PM

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can anyone check which levels you need to unlock the pickaxe mods ?

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 3:34 PM

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you mean the assignments?

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 3:34 PM

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nay

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 3:35 PM

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oh right

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 3:35 PM

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wiki is missing them, and I know you can't buy them right after you start

lament comet Jul 31, 2020, 4:41 PM

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im 90% its 4 and 8

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i could make a backup of my save and reset to check later if you want

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 4:43 PM

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no rush, also, why not use experimental version, there is nothing on patch notes saying it got changed

lament comet Jul 31, 2020, 5:20 PM

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oh yeah i forgot that existed

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 5:23 PM

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im compiling a list of things that need to happen for creatures

lament comet Jul 31, 2020, 5:35 PM

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yeah it was 4 and 8 for pickaxe mods

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 5:44 PM

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lol, you even lost your dirt digger role, gg

lament comet Jul 31, 2020, 5:45 PM

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worth

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 5:46 PM

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lament comet Jul 31, 2020, 5:48 PM

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EngineerApproved

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 6:01 PM

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noooo

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the formatting gets all messed up

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when i paste my document here

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:(

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Glyphid Spawn
| Tips, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Swarmer
| Combat, variants, tips, gallery
Glyphid Grunt
| Variants, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Grunt Slasher
| Variants, tips, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Grunt Guard
| Combat, variants, tips, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Praetorian
| Ebonite mutation variant, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Warden
| Gallery, trivia
Glyphid Oppressor
| Attacks, gallery
Glyphid Dreadnought
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Exploder
| Combat, attacks, variants, tips, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Bulk Detonator
| Combat, attacks, gallery, trivia
Crassus Det
| Gallery
Glyphid Web Spitter
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Acid Spitter
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Menace
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Carnivorous Larva
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia
Nayaka Trawler
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Q'ronar Youngling
| Attacks, gallery
Q'ronar Shellback
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Bet-c
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia
tyrant weed
| Complete
Mactera Spawn
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Mactera Grabber
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Mactera Goo Bomber
| Attacks, variants, gallery, trivia
Naedocyte Shocker
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Naedocyte Hatchling
| Attacks, gallery
Naedocyte Roe
| Attacks, gallery
Naedocyte Breeder
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Cave Leech
| Gallery, trivia
Deeptora Honeycomb
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia
Spitball Infector
| Attacks, gallery, trivia
Glyphid Brood Nexus
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia
Loot Bug
| Gallery, trivia
GLB
| MERGE
Huuli Hoarder
| Gallery, trivia
Maggot
| Gallery, trivia
cave cruiser
| Attacks, tips, gallery, trivia, description
Cave Vine
| Everything
Silicate Harvester
| Everything

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YES

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it worked

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that's everything that needs to happen for dif creature pages

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 6:08 PM

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thought it would be the sounds needed

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 6:19 PM

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yeah im gonna do sounds list soon

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 6:57 PM

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1- doesn't explain what "higher AoE" is refering to
2- it uses "the Spawn" when talking about Swarmers, no need for "the" and using just the plural should be better
3-"more" not "most"
will try to do a rewrite of it

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austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:09 PM

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re #2: You mean on the Glyphid Spawn page? https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/Glyphid_Spawn

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Spawn are the green ones that come from a Brood Nexus, Swarmers are the ones that can spawn normally and from the purple tunnels.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:13 PM

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it is on both pages

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I rewrote it, how is this ?

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austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:27 PM

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"with higher AoE radius" still feels weird to me

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I think it's the missing "a" between "with" and "higher"

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so "with a higher AoE radius"

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:28 PM

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should I mention the part of coming in groups instead of just low hp ?

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not sure how to word that part

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:28 PM

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also I don't think Weapons needs to be capitalized

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also
effective against taking down swarmers is weird

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:29 PM

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"Due to their low HP and tendency to spawn in groups, weapons with..."

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:30 PM

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you would say "effective at taking down swarmers" or "effective against swarmers"

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Triggerhappy got the right idea

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but i would go one step further in clarifying it

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since this formulation implies that the weapons have low HP and spawn in groups

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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Due to the Swarmer's low HP and tendency to spawn in groups, weapons with a large AoE radius are very effective at dealing with them.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:32 PM

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yes

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boom

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rock n stone

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:35 PM

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version 2

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austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:37 PM

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Should make "Weapon" in the second sentence lowercase as well to match "weapons" in the first

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and if we're making those lowercase, Ammo probably should be as well

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:37 PM

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same for Ammo

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yep

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also i would not recommend regular pickaxe attacks as a way to eradicate swarmers
it's not a good habit to learn on low haz levels

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(speaking from experience here)

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:38 PM

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what do you recommend

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:39 PM

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I would note that small numbers can be killed with the regular melee attack, but that on higher haz levels and in larger quantities, it's not a good idea to use normal melee

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the bit about power attack is spot on though

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:39 PM

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they die to 1 swing, don't they ?

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:40 PM

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Yes, though they tend to surround you, which is made easy by the slowdown attacking with your pick causes

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:40 PM

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and not to mention being able to bite through thin walls, floors and platforms

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if there's 1 or 2 stuck under an engi platform on haz4 that dwarf's HP is going down fast

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btw supposedly thorns perk has a cooldown, anyone got the details on that?

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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I kind of get away with pickaxing swarmers on haz4 since I also have Thorns and jump around a bunch

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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iirc it is like 0.6s

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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is that global cooldown?

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or per enemy

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:42 PM

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global

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:43 PM

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i see. and it's 1 target per application? no area dmg on thorns?

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:43 PM

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correct

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:43 PM

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glad i swapped it out for deep pockets then
it's good don't get me wrong

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:43 PM

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The cd is meant to make it so 2 swarmers/jellies attacking at once don't both die to it

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:44 PM

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yeah, that would be too good tbh

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 7:44 PM

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So you gotta let Thorns kill one and swing your pick at the other

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:44 PM

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version 3

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glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:44 PM

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yes

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good work

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you can copy this to the spawn's page as well

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since they are functionally mostly identical

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now for the jellies... i'm undecided on the effectiveness of AoE weapons against them since they tend to be spaced apart more and move around in a 3D space (vs. ground based small glyphids)

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:46 PM

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lol, I pressed send edit by mistake, at least it is correct

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glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:47 PM

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IME usually the regular pickaxe is pretty OK against jellies

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:47 PM

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maybe run some tests on trying the power attack and different aoe weapons on jellies ?

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:50 PM

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autocannon (at least how i've tried to use it) is not great for me against jellies, minigun fire AoE OC however is amazing

BC it really depends on if you can get a good shot in and how it's modded

pickaxe power strike almost always works great vs jellies for me,

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i think in general if we're talking AoE weapons then hitscan and area saturation are a must

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this brings me to a question i've been pondering. what do we know about the LMG turret's targeting priorities?

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bosco is absolutely amazing at clearing hordes of swarmers/jellies/etc

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very quick target acquisition

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:52 PM

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I didnt check that yet, I think I saw plenty of variables for that

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:52 PM

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one strafing run he can kill a dozen enemies. the LMG takes way longer to find new targets.

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I didnt check that yet, I think I saw plenty of variables for that
@glacial topaz iiiiinteresting

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that would be very useful information I think, in a general gameplay knowledge sense

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 7:53 PM

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had a crash, as soon as it loads I can see what they are

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 7:54 PM

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experimental build?

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also, thank you 🙂 you've been doing a lot of work

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 8:03 PM

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~~computer itself~~

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and Thanks rocknstone

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stuff like "OnNewTargetRequested, PrioritizedTarget, LastTarget , DissallowedTargetTags, AquisitionRange"

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 8:04 PM

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I think the turret just takes time to switch between idle sweep and firing

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It'll kill several jellies in a single burst

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but takes a second or so before it starts firing once they get in range/view

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 8:05 PM

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I would have left the regular pickaxe attack as a way to deal with the swarmers/spawn, it is better than the power attack unless you took bonus range on it.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:06 PM

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i don't agree with that but sure

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different strokes etc

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 8:07 PM

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If they aren't all going to reach you at the same time, yeah, you can melee them all, but if you get several from multiple directions I'd advise against regular pickaxe swings

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:07 PM

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^ that

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perhaps we could add some notes on how to deal with groups spawned from the wall holes

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 8:08 PM

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Well in that case the slow from melee could kill you, but that is just common sense to me.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:08 PM

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i notice that a lot of people dont even realize they spawn when you walk past those

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what happens if you C4 the glyphid nests in the walls (the purple holes), does it remove the swarmer spawn trigger?

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and what's the activation radius? seems to be about 1.5m?

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

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based on what I heard from wind tunnels I guess they will just keep spawning on thin air ?

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

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I think it moves it away a bit unless you completly destroy the nest.

austere fossil Jul 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

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Could add a note to the Swarmer page about the tunnels
Do the tunnels have their own page?

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:11 PM

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ah, that makes sense. so it's like a half-sphere?

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when intact

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like this

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glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 8:12 PM

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I remember we were wandering how they worked, for spawned quantity

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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where the purple bit would be the wall

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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I think as long as any part of the purple material is left, it can still spawn swarmer, still need to be confirmed though.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 8:13 PM

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and the gold part would be inside the wall

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i see

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 8:33 PM

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Afaik there is no way to prevent the nest from deploying swarmers.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 8:35 PM

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so even if you destory everythink in a 15 meters radius they will just spawn in thin air ?

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 8:35 PM

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Yes.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 8:36 PM

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fun

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 8:36 PM

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I'll go test it.

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 8:37 PM

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Let me know if you need something for that test.

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 8:41 PM

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Yep, they still spawn.

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Waypoint is the old nest location.

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I started 8m away from the nest and then walked to the waypointed old location after blowing it up.

glacial valve Jul 31, 2020, 10:51 PM

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thanks chief

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deep rock galactic thanks you for your contribution

low hamlet Jul 31, 2020, 10:55 PM

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^

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 10:57 PM

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if anyone wants stuff to test, I have to know if ricochets can do it twice, only thing missing to add them to the wiki

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:16 PM

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I don't think any can.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:20 PM

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easiest to check would be bullet hell, but still only a 25% chance of happening

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well, I can just make the text and leave out the part saying it can or can't proc twice, if that is fine with you guys

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:21 PM

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It is fairly hard to test since the bullets have pretty good aim.

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But from what I just tested it only does it once.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:22 PM

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I mean, it says it can ricochet on walls and enemies, so I thought something like: Wall -> enemy -> enemy

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:30 PM

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glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:31 PM

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weak pls buff

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outside hulli hoarders, know about any other passive creature it will try to target ? I know it ignores loot bugs

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:34 PM

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Magic bullets does not ricochet twice either.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:36 PM

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also now wonder if their target list is the same, probably, and if the priority is completely random, or if it targets the closest / weakest one

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:36 PM

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Closest, then if two are close to each other it is random.

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Hoarders are not considered critters.

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But the 4 that are do not get targeted.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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so I can just use critters as a word or is there a better one for that

weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 11:38 PM

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Hoarder are in the critter folder though FSD\Content\Critters\LootBug\Hoarder

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Does not work on these 4.

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Hoarder is classified as enemy.

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weary sonnet Jul 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Ah, for the spawn group, they count as a rare encounter

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:39 PM

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Same with fleas being considered enemy.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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so it targets fleas I am guessing ?

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:40 PM

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I can try real quick.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:41 PM

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maybe miner's manual should help find the right word

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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Does not work on fleas.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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oh wow

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maybe oversight ?

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:42 PM

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So there is a crap ton of inconsistencies, as expected.

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Well, the list that has the 4 is literally called "Spawn Critters" and the pool they are defined in is "Critter Pool".

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

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Omen modules ? kursite enemies ? ebonite ? cacti ?

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

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But.

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For what?

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:44 PM

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ricochet

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:45 PM

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I'll need to switch over to experimental for that.

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Minus cacti.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:46 PM

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I mean, just curious, no rush

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should be fine to use "Hostile Creatures and Hulli" for now

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:47 PM

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Yeah.

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The weird thing though is that the passive creatures are considered enemies.

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ENE_LootBug_Gold_C

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Maybe that is the base they came from.

glacial topaz Jul 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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early versions didn't use anything beyond ENE ?

bold plover Jul 31, 2020, 11:51 PM

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CritterDescriptor CD_Harvester

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Maybe it stands for that.

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EnemyMinersManualData EMMD_Harvester

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ENE_Harvester_C

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OK, so all of the critter base are ENE but they all have CritterDescriptor.

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RareCritterDescriptor CD_SpiderHoarder.CD_SpiderHoarder

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Then there is EnemyDescriptor for everything else.

glacial topaz Aug 1, 2020, 12:21 AM

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wait, can it at least ricochet from a lootbug to an enemy ?

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how is this

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bold plover Aug 1, 2020, 1:36 AM

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Hmm.

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Maybe, I had blowthrough on I just realized.

glacial topaz Aug 1, 2020, 3:12 AM

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tf was that edit to remove a period https://deeprockgalactic.gamepedia.com/index.php?title=Karl&curid=878&diff=18297&oldid=16417

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glacial valve Aug 1, 2020, 10:13 AM

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I think someone tried to use backspace to go back a page