babelfish-lounge

[shell vine]

Yes it is

[odd crane]

Welp

That's the extent of my presence here

https://c.tenor.com/2qno9yKA8EUAAAAM/hitchhikers-guide-to-the-galaxy-dont-panic.gif

[foggy steppe]

was this reported? 2nd ingredient doesn't have icon

[candid crater]

It's an issue even in english currently

I reported it back then, yes

It was better back then, so I suppose they're working on it 😂

[foggy steppe]

alright thanks

[sage tangle]

It's an offset to the right so its cut off

[mellow topaz]

how long has this offset bug been in the game?

[shell vine]

u33

[mossy egret]

Managment, cutting corners wherever possible

[small kernel]

Hey @candid crater can you check this typo? https://steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/2/3118150513201887311/

[candid crater]

Will look as soon as I get to px

[vast raven]

I just switched to finnish and it is promising 😄 Props to whoever did it. Kivi ja kallio!

-> Osta 75 laitteiden päivitystä

[boreal quest]

Finnfriends doing some great work with the localisation. Big kudos.

[vast raven]

It is amazing so far, very amusing and funny

[candid crater]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/626997595952381953/815512345534267392/unknown.png

Huh?

[shell vine]

Isn't it the same in english ?

[candid crater]

Yes!

Idk why it is so offset

I can't even get this image to appear

[shell vine]

Probably because a dev added it as an afterthought, and didn't make the text scalable.

[candid crater]

Can someone shoot how it is in english while I'm trying to get this thing to appear?

[mellow topaz]

If you ever find any funky translation errors, Crowdin is open for everyone.
I will correct that mistake you showed, however.

[vast raven]

Crowdin?

[mellow topaz]

Crowdin is the website used to translate the game

For DRG, you just need to make an account and you can start translating

There is a #finnish-drg channel here too if there are some issues that need to be discussed

[vast raven]

Will go through the translation at some point

So far saw appropriately dwarvish jokes and translations

[mellow topaz]

@solid bough can you give @vast raven the FI translator role?

[solid bough]

That’s gonna cost you one perkele.

||not rly, done||

😄

[mellow topaz]

https://youtu.be/z7_pVrIshxA

Have this nonetheless

Hope it suffices

[solid bough]

Woooh!

[small kernel]

@sage tangle Can you check this typo? https://steamcommunity.com/app/548430/discussions/2/2577697791643605515/

[mellow topaz]

Can you even see the translated achievement names anywhere?

[small kernel]

You can see from here

[shell vine]

If you have steam in a different language than english, then you will the translated achievements in that language (if they exist)

[mellow topaz]

TIL

[sage tangle]

[candid crater]

Smh I'm about 200 words from 10000 threshold

[brittle mango]

you'll get there 😄

also how do you check how many words you've typed

[small kernel]

@brittle mango You can check in reports tab and select my activity

[brittle mango]

ohh aighty

197 - 0

i mean i'm new so i guess it's understandable

[small kernel]

Yeah it's okay

[brittle mango]

by the way today i finally got my drivers liscence lmao

[small kernel]

Ooo good job with it

[brittle mango]

cheers 🙂

[uneven torrent]

hello! I'm interested in contributing to the game's translation :) are there any requirements? can I just log onto crowdin and start translating?
thanks in advance!

[shell vine]

Pretty much yeah !

Welcome to the team

[uneven torrent]

thank you!

[shell vine]

(What language do you plan to work on, btw ?)

[uneven torrent]

Hebrew.

I tried out the game on free weekend. it's a blast :)

[shell vine]

Lots of work there ! Feel free to ask here if you need help with something.

[uneven torrent]

okay! thanks!

[small kernel]

Welcome to our family mate!

[slim verge]

welcome 😄

Good luck on translating

[uneven torrent]

thank you all! some of these translations seem a little weird because I didn't get extremely far into the game.
I'll just do the ones I can translate for now.

is it ok if the translation isn't word-to-word? can I mess around with it a little so things make more sense?

[slim verge]

Yeah of course

The important part is trying to keep the spirit and original meaning

[uneven torrent]

cool, thanks

of course

[slim verge]

for everything else, well

you're free

most of the time translating word-to-word is not the best thing to do 😄

[sharp dagger]

Thanks for bringing this to our attention, I just typed the correct translation into crowdin. After Fakiyo approves it, it should be there after the next pull.

[small kernel]

You're welcome 🙂

[zinc wharf]

Can't seem to find out how to get the community translator role, but would really like to try and help. Norwegian here.

[slim verge]

The community translator role is awarded after time and dedication translating the game. Though you don't need it to start translating ! ^^
All you need is to make a crowdin account (link is in the pinned message) and start translating

If you have any questions, don't hesitate ^^

[zinc wharf]

Ah, I thought it was needed to start.

Will get a user set up and try to get started.

[slim verge]

Actually, I'm not even sure we have Norwegian as a possible language right now

But we can ask the dev to add it

Yeah just checked it, we don't.

@zinc wharf Norwegian isn't available for translation at the moment but I asked a dev about this issue and I'm waiting for the answer (which will come at some point during the coming day). I'll keep you posted. 🙂

[zinc wharf]

Right on, will try out crowdin and what else I seem to need. Might try to check up on some Swedish or Danish.

[slim verge]

Sure

It's going to be helpful if you can familiarise with it for sure ^^

[uneven torrent]

about the translations - when it comes to bar beverages, should I translate every word? for example "Rocky Mountain" - should I translate this to the Hebrew variant of "Rocky Mountain" or keep it as it is and just spell it with Hebrew?
I'm asking because it's a name.
thanks in advance!

[buoyant dagger]

You can think of the beer names like product names on earth, coca cola for example

[uneven torrent]

okay! thanks!

[foggy steppe]

Alternative view: If you can find good fitting and/or funny names for every beer translate it! 🙂

[hidden dirge]

Welcome to the team 😄

[hidden dirge]

In my personal opinion, literally translating word for word is usually not the way to do it, but rather try to make something that makes sense, fits the context it's in, and, most importantly, make it feel natural

[vast raven]

Oh I agree, I would not shame the game with that. There has to be dwarven attitude to the translations

[hidden dirge]

Exactly, like, it wouldn't make sense to translate "Rocky Mountain" without making reference to at least some geological formation 😂

[uneven torrent]

okay! thanks!

[hidden dirge]

Welcome aboard btw

[surreal lion]

hey, can I help translate to portuguese?

ignore that, just realized i dont have to do anything to start doing it

[hidden dirge]

You might want to check the pinned messages and get in contact with the leader in translation for your language ^^

[surreal lion]

thanks

@hidden dirge wait, how do i know who is the leader? the are multiple ppl in some languages

[hidden dirge]

@surreal lion Check the pinned messages (top right of your screen), there you should find a list of all the languages and the people that lead them

[surreal lion]

ok

[sage tangle]

@surreal lion every active language tends to have an active proofreader (or multiple) who 'guards' existing strings against random edits and approves (fixes) the best existing ones. Though there are no real leaders per say, all translators are among equals. Proofreaders just tend to be more active or chosen from the team ||and finicky||

[dry cradle]

is there any br-pt translator on discord? bc felipe came to me when they are maybe more proficient on br-pt

[hidden bloom]

Hey! I want to help translate the game! are there any requirements???

[candid crater]

Just don't mess up what's already good
Preferably you should contact with those who translate on the same language to avoid using wrong words
There are no requirements, just common sense

[hidden bloom]

okay

[slim verge]

What language do you wanna translate btw ? ^^

[hidden bloom]

Hebrew

[slim verge]

Nice, two people on it in the last few days, it's going to help a lot 😄

[hidden bloom]

ye we know each other

[slim verge]

Oh that's why ^^

Well, good luck to both of you

[hidden bloom]

thanks

rock and stone

lol

[small kernel]

Guys, this salvage should be salvage operation?

[surreal lion]

I don't think so, it just says hazard to save space, I think anything more would make the engineer part be a ...

[small kernel]

I reported in jira so we will see what happen

[sage tangle]

Holy mall so many translators

[hidden dirge]

That's good! 😄

btw, I found another line without translation, will send screenshot in a sec

[shell vine]

I think it was reported already, but maybe not to Jira

[hidden dirge]

oh? These sort of things where a line doesn't have an ID attached to it are supposed to be sent to Jira?

[shell vine]

Best way to be sure it lands on the appropriate person's desk for it to be fixed.

(Probably Daga, but not always)

[hidden dirge]

lol, alright, I'll make the report in a sec

done!

Now off to bed 😴

[deep sand]

Hey hold on isn't a babelfish a thing in a Hitchhikers guide to the galaxy?

[signal prism]

yes, this is confirmed to be the correct reference by the creators of this room

[deep sand]

Cool i just read that book

[hidden dirge]

That is quite funny, didn't know that

[deep sand]

The idea of a babelfish is cool but gross as

[hidden dirge]

lol yeah, still a reference, and should only be thought as that 😉

[sage tangle]

@deep sand @hidden dirge
Quoting myself from the book

"The Babel fish is small, yellow, leech-like, and probably the oddest thing in the Universe. It feeds on brainwave energy received not from its own carrier, but from those around it. It absorbs all unconscious mental frequencies from this brainwave energy to nourish itself with. It then excretes into the mind of its carrier a telepathic matrix formed by combining the conscious thought frequencies with nerve signals picked up from the speech centres of the brain which has supplied them. The practical upshot of all this is that if you stick a Babel fish in your ear you can instantly understand anything said to you in any form of language. The speech patterns you actually hear decode the brainwave matrix which has been fed into your mind by your Babel fish.
"Now it is such a bizarrely improbable coincidence that something so mind-bogglingly useful could have evolved purely by chance that some thinkers have chosen to see it as a final and clinching proof of the non-existence of God.
Meanwhile, the poor Babel fish, by effectively removing all barriers to communication between different races and cultures, has caused more and bloodier wars than anything else in the history of creation."

[deep sand]

And fort prefect shoves one in Arthur dents ear

[errant phoenix]

The tower of babel is the real root

Of the concept of babel anyway

[shell vine]

Although I do appreciate the attention to this channel's name, its purpose is still to discuss the game's translations...

[sage tangle]

*its purpose

[cyan needle]

Where do I report translation issues, in the report-a-bug section? encountered several mistakes in in the german version

[sage tangle]

You can report them to a German translator. You've met the right guy, PM me 🙂
Schreib mir grade

[cyan needle]

oh nice. currently i'm at work, gonna contact you right away when i have my game at hand in around 3 hours

[sharp dagger]

Really, there are mistakes in the German translation?
Unimaginable!

(joke, thanks for reporting)

[mossy egret]

hope it's only from old translation

[zinc wharf]

Got any news regarding the Norwegian version?

[slim verge]

Sadly nope, still waiting for the answer at the moment :/

[zinc wharf]

darn

[sage tangle]

ah

now I know what I forgot

[sage tangle]

there may be news tomorrow, I'll keep you posted

[zinc wharf]

ait

looking forward to it

[sage tangle]

done

[zinc wharf]

oml

thanks

[sage tangle]

if you need any help or have any questions just ask away

because you start out, looking into the GLOSSARY folder might be worth it

so you use the same translation for everything

[zinc wharf]

Will do

[mellow topaz]

Yooo

Good luck @zinc wharf

[zinc wharf]

Thaaaanks

[mellow topaz]

At least you got neighbor languages to pull sentence structures from, even if the Swedish translation isn't very finished.

[zinc wharf]

norwegian book is closer to danish anyway 🙂

[mellow topaz]

Ah, whoops.

[zinc wharf]

no worries, we are all scandinavians and norwegians generally have the easiest time understanding the two others

[mellow topaz]

Surprisingly Danish is more complete than Swedish, so that's good. Not sure how much of it is MT, though.

[sage tangle]

Can't wait to see your 30% translated tomorrow

[zinc wharf]

huehuehue

[sage tangle]

Or we ask your friends the Swedes to finish for you

[zinc wharf]

Got some done, but have a question that surely have been asked a lot before. When it comes to the made up words, like Morkite. Should I try to just Norgiefy them, like Mørkitt/Morkitt, or make a new word with sort of the same meaning? The voice acting is only one language so.

[mellow topaz]

I'd say do it. 🇫🇮 did it, at least.

Crowdin also has a feature to quickly view other languages' translations for a specific string.

For example, "morkite" became "morkiitti" and "glyphid" became "glyfidi".

Some of the species names were a little finnicky to localize.

[zinc wharf]

Right, so just going for it

[mellow topaz]

Yep. Just remember: the point of translation isn't to be 100% accurate (transliterate), but to convey the message easier to another language.

It's why "deeptora" became "syväliäinen".

[hidden dirge]

Translating is not easy

[hidden dirge]

Just you wait, you haven't discovered... THE PUNS

[zinc wharf]

Oh. But. I. Have!

[hidden dirge]

I feel you brother

[mellow topaz]

They are angony

[zinc wharf]

I left a comment on the Steeve translation with an explanation of the norwegian pun.

[hidden dirge]

._.

What key? I wanna see that

[mellow topaz]

Rock and roll and stone
I AXE the questions around here

[zinc wharf]

eh

gimme a min

[mellow topaz]

I came up with a really stupid and nonsensical twist on the phrase "a rolling stone doesn't gather moss"

[mellow topaz]

So FI won't be the only language that translated Steeve?

[hidden dirge]

I stand corrected

[zinc wharf]

02B2CD9541116CC24AE17D88C7CB4F67

is key for the pun

[hidden dirge]

LOL

[zinc wharf]

i remembered the expletive at like 4am and it had me in norwegian stitches

[hidden dirge]

This is so much better for the simple reason that Soren is the name of the CEO of GSG 😂

[zinc wharf]

oh shid

😄

[hidden dirge]

I'm gonna change my language to finnish just to pet Soren 🤣

[zinc wharf]

norwegian*

[hidden dirge]

sorry, yes

(ahem, still early in the morning, I'm tired)

[mellow topaz]

You named Steeve Soren?!

[zinc wharf]

yeos

[hidden dirge]

HE HECCIN DID 😂

[zinc wharf]

tbf I didnt know about Human Soren

[hidden dirge]

Madlad

[mellow topaz]

Just for shits and giggles or is it actually a Norwegian pet name

[zinc wharf]

((and Human Soren hates that we call him that) [refrence to a twitter meme]

Søren is a norwegian human male name, but also an expletive, and the expletive is often followed by "klype" which means to pinch.

Steeve is a human name also

[mellow topaz]

Steve can also be a "joke" pet name

Like a name you'd give to a pet rock

It's why Steeve is named Väinö in Finnish

[hidden dirge]

PetTheSøren emote when?

[zinc wharf]

oops

what have i created

and eyy, you got the Ø

[mellow topaz]

Hell, my parents' roomba is named Väinö

[zinc wharf]

if that a human name?

[mellow topaz]

Yes, but also a joke pet name

[zinc wharf]

ah

I mean, Søren could also be a pet name.

[hidden dirge]

I'm tempted to tag him but I think that'd be too much

let the devs have a laugh at this before we all get banned 😂

[zinc wharf]

hahaha

[mellow topaz]

They should give us this at least

Seeing as we're essentially translating for them for free

[zinc wharf]

I mean, I am also the sole norgie atm, so if another comes along with a better name. Or if I come up with something better.

[hidden dirge]

There simply cannot be anything better

[zinc wharf]

I find it difficult to make something better yes.

I hope there is a voiceline of the dwarfs saying like "Steeve, Attack!"

so that i can literally just make it "Søren, Klyp!"

[hidden dirge]

They'll maybe add lines for Steeve commands eventually, but there are lines like "Steeve, you're the bestest friend"

Or like "Steeve is dead! I'll never get over this!"

You have 19 lines to play with Steeve's name 😂

[zinc wharf]

one thing that is a bit difficult is the whole "This Steeve is" making a 'proper' noun (peepol name) into an object that can do stuff

[mellow topaz]

What is it with you Norwegians and ø though?

Was ö not good enough?

[hidden dirge]

It's like Spanish and ñ

[zinc wharf]

we have a bigger alphabet than the english

[mellow topaz]

At least with ñ, the translation is different

[zinc wharf]

eh, sweden still uses the umlauts, danes and norgies switched

[mellow topaz]

But here (to my understanding), ö and ø are the same

[zinc wharf]

I don't actually know why we switched, that'll be something for me to research later.

[hidden dirge]

In this line specifically, the proper noun is not objectified, it's like talking about it in third person, like you'd talk about your dog

[zinc wharf]

The sounds is the same, I just think we don't want to write the umlauts all the time

yes but norwegian has some genders for nouns. And so Søren would get the ending of -en, but Sørenen, is a tad wonky

[mellow topaz]

Compound words in Finnish made it rather difficult to translate some things without the words being overly complicated

[hidden dirge]

First female dwarves, now female Steeves and Sørens, what's next? Female lootbugs?

[zinc wharf]

haha

but man, mission regions are one of the funnest

Fungus Bogs became Soppsumpen

which really rolls of the tounge

[hidden dirge]

Yeah, that's something I love getting, when a name just rolls off as natural

[zinc wharf]

I need something to weight up for all the terminals

[mellow topaz]

Oh, in case you didn't know

[hidden dirge]

Someone's addicted 😂

[mellow topaz]

DRG has a stranslator debug mode

[zinc wharf]

yeh

saw that

[hidden dirge]

What do you mean, sorry?

[mellow topaz]

Enable it in the settings and ppress ctrl + O

All the strings will be switched out for number codes

[hidden dirge]

Ah, you mean in the game, not Crowdin

[mellow topaz]

Crowdin then has a stranslator debug language, in which you can plug those numbers in to find the one specific string that place uses

[hidden dirge]

And if you detect a problem with a piece of text not translating to any language, check if it has a debug string attached to it, I'm on my 4th or so report of these

[sage tangle]

I like how Umlaute are Umlauts in other languages ^^

ÄÖÜ

and personally I'm not a fan of renaming a 'personal' name via translation. Steeve <> something else

[mellow topaz]

Then there's Å

What the fuck Sweden

[candid crater]

Anyone else experiencing this?

@ translators

[sage tangle]

yes, old bug

[candid crater]

Nah, I mean is this thing only for my lang or other encountered lack of space as well?

[sage tangle]

every language with too long words

limited space there

I changed it to be a bit shorter

and I think \r works there

I still have a translation of mine in the history which was with \r

[zinc wharf]

I guess there is a discussion to be had about what a personal name is then. Since names of minerals I would count as personal names.

[sage tangle]

Yes, most languages didnt (and I think one also shouldn't) translate

• 'real' names (Steeve)
• Minerals (except gold)
• Beers

[zinc wharf]

I mean yeah, I see the point. Then we also have biome names and weapon names. But also (and this might be tangential) what about idioms and puns?

[sage tangle]

Biom names imo should be translated literally to make sense, but free enough to be fitting

f.i. German:

• everything which was possible lit translated (Fungus bogs, Pilzmoor, Crystalline Caverns - Kristallkavernen and so on)
  Sandblasted Corridors didn't make real sense, so we went for Sandsturmhöhlen (Sandstormcaves)
  Radioactive Zone sounded a bit shitty so we went for Strahlende Strata (Radiating Strata)
  and so on

you should not change the translation just because you feel like it, it should make sense

[zinc wharf]

Yeah

[zinc wharf]

How were we about translating "Deep Rock"

[boreal quest]

You don't.

In game, it's a company name, even if it is just "Deep Rock"

[zinc wharf]

Right on.

[sage tangle]

What Stiny said

[sage tangle]

Can somebody show me the #12345 number on the MISSION END SCREEN in the testing language?

(Continue) to close the mission summary end screen

screenshot if somebody does a mission pls

The bottom one which says CONTINUE [seconds]

[prisma pendant]

Isn't this what happens when you use the console command for mission completion.

[candid crater]

Nah, a leprechaun passed by and granted me easy win

[scenic hornet]

russian warning text makes buttons look so much more dangerous to push

[boreal quest]

08521 still has no support for accented letters

[hidden dirge]

Yup, here as well

[slim verge]

I mean, the letters are "floating" anyway so it's fine

[boreal quest]

I would love to experiment with a \r to see if it is possible, but I have done enough experiments.

[candid crater]

@ translators same question

[shell vine]

You could try the \r, but you would have to wait for the next crowdin pull to see it...

[mellow topaz]

God, when is GSG going to fix the broken hollow bough description string

[keen steppe]

Is there a translation for portuguese (Portugal)? Not brazilian

[shell vine]

There is one underway, but it is not complete enough (yet) to be in the game. You can help on crowdin if you want to (check the pinned messages for the links)

[keen steppe]

Alright just wondering ^^

[dry cradle]

I'm helping on that lang. Ur free to help

There's a pinned msg to all langs on this channel tho lmao

[keen steppe]

Yeah i know, i was just curious

[distant stratus]

@sage tangle friend sent me this. End of the first sentence: herausspringen heraus.

[zinc wharf]

meaning? been a little since i took german

[sage tangle]

additional unnecessary word

[zinc wharf]

awe

[hidden dirge]

https://tenor.com/view/hello-there-hi-there-greetings-gif-9442662

[foggy steppe]

I'm finally going through all the settings translation and I stumbled upon this. What does it do?

same for grappling hook

[slim verge]

You switch automatically to the weapon after using the tool

it's already in the option of the game

[foggy steppe]

Ah yes I know it's in game I just never found out what is it for 😄

thanks

[signal prism]

Ladies and gentlemen

The ultimate power of hungarian language

[foggy steppe]

Possibly off-topic but how does push to talk work in DRG, is it press to toggle talking or you transmit voice only when you're actively holding the key?

[candid crater]

Hold afaik

[sage tangle]

PTT is always hold

[foggy steppe]

You never know with English that's why I asked 😀

[boreal junco]

But... That's how all PTT works?

👀

[boreal quest]

The ultimate power of google being biased, yeah.

[sharp dagger]

@sage tangle changed it on crowdin

[sharp dagger]

thanks for reporting!

[umbral lagoon]

!rank

[foggy steppe]

It appears key bindings are gone from crowdin (I remember translating them not long ago)

[shell vine]

I remember translating them again for the controller rebind update (upcoming), but nothing on the keyboards bindings.

[hidden dirge]

I haven't seen them in a while

[mellow topaz]

I miss having more string dumps to translate

[sage tangle]

You can always go over strings another time and find more errors.
Or improve things that sound odd to you.
Even though you translated the string.
And proofread / changed it.
Three times already.

[candid crater]

<@&296918282403840000>

[shell vine]

This channel is for discussing the translations of the game, if there something on this topic you would like to discuss, please do so in text

[candid crater]

Thanks

[candid crater]

This got posted into wiki as well

So it was unlikely to be anything good

[boreal quest]

I missed it. I bet it was great.

[west narwhal]

Hello everyone on the development team.
I noticed that the Vietnamese language option in the game is now gone (it was available a few patches ago). I assume it was removed because it was kind of incomplete.
I really want the Vietnamese translation to be re-added to the game so I wonder if I can help translating and completing the language option. I can speak, read and write Vietnamese fluently.

[slim verge]

Hello @west narwhal ! If you want to help with the translation, all you need to do is make an account on crowdin and start translating here ^^
https://crowdin.com/project/deep-rock-galactic

[west narwhal]

thanks @slim verge I'll take a look

[slim verge]

If you have any question, don't hesitate ^^

[sage tangle]

Option to pick Vietnamese is gone from the game, as its translation % was like 2... Yes, two %.
You can still translate it though and help is very welcome indeed.
I talked to the Devs about this (in here we're all community translators, so random guys on the internet), once Vietnamese has active translators and progress and hit a certain % translated, the option will become available in the game again.

[west narwhal]

I see that there's a line of code on the "context" section and dont really understand what it does, do you have to write code to apply the translation? (I have no coding experience lol)

[sage tangle]

You only have to do the translations. The context just helps you differentiate in which part of the game you might find that string. Though we got a way better and reliant option to do this.

There's an option ingame to check the Translator Debug Mode. Once enabled, you can use CTRL + O (O as in rOck and stOne), which changes all strings to their #12345 number.
Detailed howto here:
#babelfish-lounge message
@west narwhal

[shell vine]

Also, the translations are applied by the devs, when they update the game (if they remember to do it). If you are serious on the Vietnamese effort, we'll probably be able to get a preview of your work in before the designated %.

[sage tangle]

So, how are you coming along? 🙂

[west narwhal]

quite ok I think. Just got the "Glossary" Section from 32% to 44% the other day. Been busy this weekend so I couldn´t do more. Some words are kinda untranslatable and so I just leave it there.

[candid crater]

Oh wow...

May I ask someone to investigate this issue? Leaving soon, have no time to find out what exactly got unlocalized

[mellow topaz]

Is GSG trying to change those strings and it broke because of it?

[short abyss]

im not sure if this was reported

but

[shell vine]

Wut ? Did you delete it?

[short abyss]

yea cause i saw a similar thing posted above

[short abyss]

was essentially the same as this

[shell vine]

Ah, ok

[small kernel]

I reported this in jira

[short abyss]

<3

[sage tangle]

Anyone from a certain language can answer this?
Are there instances where the whole structure of a sentence changes, like the noun goes before the verb in one compound string version but in another the noun goes after the verb?

[boreal quest]

In comparison to English or within the same language?

[sage tangle]

English

[boreal quest]

So you mean like "Kill Dreadnoughts" being "dreadnoughs killing" in Hungarian?

Due to the limitation of the strings.

[sage tangle]

yeh

[boreal quest]

Or "Collect 8 Boolo Caps" being "8 Boolo Cap collection"

[sage tangle]

Background: We're just giving multiple examples to the responsible GSG Devs

Yeh, can you give me the strings?

[boreal quest]

After work, sure, but not right now.

Also, fun fact: plural is not representative in Hungarian.

[sage tangle]

2-3 Strings as an example+ short English explanation is fine.

[boreal quest]

If you just simply refer to that thing.

So 1 Dreadnought, 2 Dreadnought, 3 Dreadnough, if you just refer to them like this.

[candid crater]

Oh right, we got the same task issue

Lemme see

[boreal quest]

This is the classic.

Have to change the word order to avoid suffixes in strings.

#babelfish-lounge message

[candid crater]

I can't find it at the moment but I swear there was "eliminate n dreadnoughts" string and after discussion we made it "dreadnought: kill n"

[sage tangle]

So just using different Strings would help?
One string each for
Morkite (ingame object)
Morkite (inventory [Morkite: X]
Morkite (Mission objective)
?
BUt what about sentences? Weapon Equipment Screen / Weapon stats?

[candid crater]

Can't remember any issues with weapons, as they don't stick to using the same string over and over again in weapon terminal

[boreal quest]

If you want to say "Mine morkite" in 🇭🇺 then you say "Bányássz morkitot"
But the game uses Morkite as a general term, so if I were to change that to "Morkitot" then every time you pick it up it would say "Morkitot" without context.

[candid crater]

Especially "Morkite full", please😩

Morkite is in its first state for most of sentences, but for this exact sentence saying "morkite full" is like claiming it's a mug and you fill it

Although to be fair it's only part of issue

As "full" has to sync gender to object it's referring to

Morkite is "he"
Nitra is "she"
Gold is "it"

To be fair I'd replace all -full string to be something like "Bag for * full", that'd solve some issues with gender but still has to solve the issue of overusing strings

While we're at it, the "FULL" string has no variable, the mineral is always applied before it

This string is a disaster

[boreal quest]

Or "can't carry any more X"

If that could help.

[candid crater]

Isn't that a generic phrase with no x?

[boreal quest]

"I can't carry any more!" says the dwarf.

[gray arrow]

"Deep Rock Galactic T-Shirt: You will be contacted in a separate message about this reward"

yeah thats not gonna pass through argentinian customs mate

[limber yarrow]

Unless you pay

[signal prism]

<@&296918282403840000> this guy above spams every channel with this message

[foggy steppe]

As Bebe mentioned we need string for {resource} full so we can customize the placement of resource name.
It would also be nice to get special resource name strings for objectives, most have them, but holomite, dystrum, morkite(!!) and something else don't have them (they use in game name)

[sage tangle]

Yeh, ban Lark Dinux.

[signal prism]

he wanted to make me pay

[foggy steppe]

Currently I am using this format to circumvent the string paste, but it's far from ideal

[limber yarrow]

No u

[sage tangle]

@gray arrow Welcome back.
You need the roles, no?

[gray arrow]

i guess i qualify as a translator again?

since i did things before last update

[boreal quest]

Hell yeah, my dude.

[slim verge]

long time no see

[gray arrow]

👋

[sage tangle]

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/b2483d68-6a71-4656-8505-845761310d00

😄

Yes, I'd say you need the roles, what were you before?

trans_rus or community translator as well? Such a long time, can't remember

[gray arrow]

yes

i didnt do much besides translating

[sage tangle]

@rotund geyser Would you be so kind to bestow the roles of community translator and rus-translator back to thalber? He had them in the past and decided to rejoin the cult ranks. 🙂

https://tenor.com/view/pirates-part-of-the-crew-part-of-the-ship-pirates-of-the-caribbean-captain-jack-sparrow-gif-16340359

[gray arrow]

🗡️

[slim verge]

no cults 👀

[gray arrow]

🤫

[grand lake]

Do I just...ping a translator for the language if I want to suggest an improvement/correction?

[shell vine]

Pretty much, what language do you want ?

[grand lake]

Finnish, nothing major. Just an unnatural word choice for one of the weapons.

[shell vine]

That would be @mellow topaz and @elfin venture then.

Just say here what is wrong

[mellow topaz]

What is it?

[grand lake]

Sori häiriö. Huomasin vaan että Deepcore kranuheittimen se...ammusmääräruutu vai mikä onkaan kun on ase kädessä sanoo "luodit" mikä on vähän outo sanavalinta kranaateille

[mellow topaz]

katsotaas

[grand lake]

Ehdottaisin "Panokset" itse mutta en tiedä mahtuuko

Tai ammukset

Mulla on kuva jos haluat

[mellow topaz]

"Ammukset" would work
gonna talk in English here for context for other ppl

[grand lake]

Oh sorry

[mellow topaz]

It's all good

Thanks for bringing it to my attention, I'll have a look at it

[grand lake]

No problem. I just noticed the option to change it to finnish today so I'll keep an eye out if I spot anything else

Seems like quality work though 👍

[mellow topaz]

do post a screenshot though, I can't find where it is

[grand lake]

Here or elsewhere?

[mellow topaz]

here should work

[grand lake]

The screen on the weapon itself

[mellow topaz]

Fixed

Thanks for letting me know about it!

[grand lake]

No problem, happy to help

[sage tangle]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-the-mandalorian-mando-this-is-the-way-armor-gif-17546902

[pliant compass]

Hello, I've noticed a few dialog lines in English that feel like they may have been poorly translated. Mostly the ones around "could need" - "could need an upgrade", "could need a good rest". I think this is wrong and should be "could use an upgrade", or "could do with an upgrade", which would be more common wording.

(Not sure where to share feedback like that if not here)

[candid crater]

English? That's original language this game is being made on

If you think there's an issue with original lang, you should report it to JIRA ( #jira-bug-reporter )

[slim verge]

This is in general the good place to share feedback on the translation ! ^^
Yeah, English is the original language of the game but the devs aren't english natives so they make mistakes sometimes 😄

Anyway, JIRA is the way to go for those, as Bebe said it

[pliant compass]

Thanks, both. I have filed a bug in JIRA.

[boreal quest]

I would like to ask a thing. There are voice lines of dorfs that do not match the tone of the subtitles. Specifically, there are subtitles with elongated sounds, like "festerfleeeeeeea" and the likes, but some of these are not voice acted this way. One of them was this string while ziplining.

Should this be reported, mentioned, whatever'd?

[shell vine]

Report those on Jira (standard report format for erronous strings), on the basis that the string should be changed to match the voiceline.

[boreal quest]

All righty. I will hunt down a few of those and I will make a report.

[boreal quest]

That also actually brings me the next question: do you folks for other languages translate those lines with elongated sounds as well?

[candid crater]

Yes for festerflea but none of those elongated translations are made by current translation team 😕

[candid crater]

<@&296918282403840000>

Thanks

[limber yarrow]

Did you just ping all moderators to say thank you to them? How nice of you

[boreal quest]

Since they added actual fuel lines to the game, the old fuel line strings don't seem to be contextually correct.

When you press use on the fuel cells it says "prepare fuel line"

It should be different now

Should be "prepare fuel cells" or something like that. I only noticed this because of translation and how out of context it became.

Or "start fuel cells" or something. I don't know.

[foggy steppe]

Isn't fuel cells nonsense anyway? It always seemed like recharging rather than refueling but I'm no DRG engineer

[boreal quest]

Think of it as a power bank.

A battery to charge another battery.

At least that is how I think of it.

[foggy steppe]

Yea that's what I mean though, nowhere in it is actual fuel, it's just electricity

[boreal quest]

It's still fuel in a way.

An electric car is being fuelled by electricity.

[sharp dagger]

Well if its really **a fuel cell ** it should have some kind of fuel onboard, a primitive guess would be hydrogen (what we use in fuel cell cars on earth), but since it's scifi dwarves in space, who knows.

a fuel cell has the hydrogen on board (e.g. in a 700bar tank) and via its inner workings uses this hydrogen to generate electricity.
so the line we connect to the drop pod should be a simple power line, no fuel transferred.
so basically for a PEM fuel cell the very rough reaction would be:

||(1)Anode (hydrogen "leads to" electricity): H2 → 2H + 2e
(2) electrons transfer through an external load e.g. electric motor or battery
(3) Cathode (electrons couple with oxygen and hydrogen to water): O2 + 4H + 4e → 2H2O||

fuel cell (with hydrogen onboard) --> electricity (via power line) --> drop pod (recharging?)

guess: apparently the drop pod runs on electricity while extracting dwarves from the planet.
Edit: it does, since there is a string "Fuel Cells connected to Drop Pod! Prepare the Fuels Cells for charge sequence!"

hope that helps

[boreal quest]

The point is that you don't prepare the fuel line any more when you press the use key on the fuel cells, since now we actually have a fuel line to build.

[sharp dagger]

yeah i guessed that that was the point, just wanted to provide a rough technical background. 🙂

and i guess it should be a power line, since you don't transfer fuel to the drop pod. for that you would have to use an electrolyzer to produce hydrogen (or something similiar). but i don't have the relevant string in my mind now, so maybe im missing something here.

just wanted to help with the translation.

[shell vine]

I just hit things with a hammer and they work after that

[sharp dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/impressed-not-bad-gif-5536515

[foggy steppe]

Or that yea
@sharp dagger thanks for the deep dive, much obliged

[sharp dagger]

You're most welcome 🙂

[hidden dirge]

I forgot the community translator role is green, I usually only see Azerty and think the role is actually blue 😂

[shell vine]

Not quite ^^

The color did change a couple weeks back, so that might have confused you a bit

[sage tangle]

Before it was Power-WIFI.
The signal was over the air and charged directly, power to the pod, cancer to everyone else.

||Ouifi||

[boreal quest]

Ouifi, but it gives up after 5 minutes.

[sage tangle]

Just like real ouifi

[shell vine]

I like Hi-Fi more

[boreal quest]

Squirrel 🇩🇪

That's a good way to bully fakiyo.

[sage tangle]

I can actually say that, you know that, right? Oo

[boreal quest]

False.

[mossy egret]

Oachkatzlschwoaf
I got you fakiyo

[shell vine]

Guillaume 🇫🇷

[mossy egret]

let me guess you don't pronounce the two l's in there?

[shell vine]

They actually make a completely different sound

[mossy egret]

I don't wanna brag but I listened to a french speaking it and he pronounced it like I did

[shell vine]

Maybe that sound exist in german, I don't know, I don't speak it ^^

[mossy egret]

I was tortured had French in school for like 5 years

[sharp dagger]

Say it with me now: Oach ... Katzl ... Schwoaf!

[shell vine]

🌽(oats)🐱🐶

[mellow topaz]

Gotta say

It's always nice to see people hopping on here to suggest a translation or two

Lets me know that our work isn't going to complete waste

Moreso when you consider that the people coming here to suggest changes is a very small minority

Same with Steam reviews

[short abyss]

yea

even I got mentioned regarding suggestions

felt honored

😳

[sage tangle]

Depending on your country, there's quite some people playing in your translation. Though most people don't know it's community work, less are online in discord. And even less of those actively complain or give feedback on it.
I mean I 'convinced' many of my German friends to play in German, and still had to tickle the feedback out of them. I also found that some people just have a different 'feeling' for language. So many might consider it 'right' without even noticing, while others clearly see from a mile away that a sentence was poorly translated.

We've told Soren about it, that the stats how many % of players have the game set to <language> would be neat to know to us translators, but currently that data is not getting gathered from the game.
My two cents on it, nothing official: Obviously this would need some work to get the data, plus the data can also be semi-secret, as the actual interest is in:
Example (making those up)

• The game has 1 Million active players a month
• 50% (total) are from English speaking countries
• 10% are playing in Spanish speaking countries
• 8% have the game set to Spanish. This equals X players a month.

Only one data point of those is not interesting / saying much, as you need the others to make sense of it. So you can't just reveal the pure data without giving away (maybe) secret business info.

While let's say 90% of Polish players may have set the game to Polish translation, maybe those only make up 1% of total playernumbers, or only 1000 people for small languages... And so on

So from the grand scheme of things, the 'big' ones might be more interesting (seeing usually Spanish, French, German make up the most foreign language players in all games), though obviously there are just some countries which are prone to not having lots of english speakers, plus this is a work of passion. So having a small community / country obviously is still important to those affected.

[candid crater]

It surely would be neat, but do you really need it? Won't something like a reddit poll "I am english - I am non-english and play english - I am non-english and play non-english" cover your need? I probably get something wrong tho

[sage tangle]

If you want to gather that data, pulling the raw data from the game itself is the only viable option imo.

So you'd have to put it into the game, AND I don't know if that would be transmitted by default ,seeing we have those privacy options in the options menu. Can't remember right now if per default it's opt in or opt out

[candid crater]

At least it'd be more accessible and won't require a few years of convincing devs it's not that confidential. Won't even work if it actually is confidential and it's not just devs acting weird

That's how community balance survey started

[sage tangle]

I mean yes, for us translators the point 'X percent of German speaking players (Germany, Austria, Swiss) have set the game to German, Y% to English) would be the point of interest

Ultimately, we do it out of passion and it's important that the game is ready in each language. 🙂
So that would just be private interest in the matter.

Though I think most people involved / invested in the work would find that interesting for the sake of it.

[candid crater]

Yeah, for the sake of it. It doesn't affect our performance or decisions in any way, therefore is just a fun thing to play with. Do you really want to push GSG to get something to look for fun for once?
I mean, it could be fine if they were okay with it, but judging by your words they apparently don't want to share that kind of data

[sage tangle]

IMO this data would be important to any Dev in general. DRG is 100% community work anyways, but that data can tell you (the company)

• Language X actually has a surprising amount of players you were unaware of and 90% of those players play the game in their language. But it got translated very late, or is not complete yet, or poorly translated. Might be in your business interest to maybe get people on board or even hire company ABC to put in a bit of effort.

[sage tangle]

"Don't want to share data" - Above is just my two cents, nothing official

Edited post to make it clearer 😄

There 🙂

[small kernel]

Any dev, can you create tr-translator(turkish) channel please and can you give role for me and "Akira!" ?

[shell vine]

That's a job @solid bough

(When he'l be back online)

[small kernel]

Okay thank you

[tawdry ore]

Hello all, i haven't written in here before but unsure if this was communicated in here yet so wanted to make sure. Because it is the weekend and we at gsg will be off for the weekend i just wanted to say that we have now split game and patch note translation into two different files to allow each of them to be tracked separately on crowdin.

[shell vine]

Hi ! I'm guessing that you work at GSG ?

[tawdry ore]

Yup I'm one of the backend/infrastructure developers :) I'm on my private account which is why I don't have dev tags on, but wanted to make sure it was communicated :)

[shell vine]

Nice !

It's a very appreciated change.

We mostly discussed it in the spoiler channel (hidden for obvious reasons)

[tawdry ore]

That explains why I didn't already see a message in here then :) but better safe than sorry on it :P i hope it simplifies things for you :) enjoy your weekend and thank you for the work

[shell vine]

It really helps because it enables us to see the progress on the translation in itself, without having massive % of words eaten up by the patch notes, so it's a massive help for the languages still working towards the 100%. Thank you very much for coming out of your way to tell us, and have a nice week-end !

[tawdry ore]

Yeah it is 40k words out of the total 115k so it's a nice reduction :)

[shell vine]

I hope it wasn't too much of a hassle to do

[sage tangle]

Ah I was already cheering in my pillow for the separated strings, and raging because a stranger was working in the german new strings with nobody knowing who it is.
It's you! 😄 Thanks a lot, happy translator noises. I forwarded it in our translator chat earlier 🙂

[mellow topaz]

Christ

585 new strings

[foggy pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/typing-laptop-cat-busy-cute-gif-5822667

[mellow topaz]

For comparison, the initial string dump for U33 was only around 400 strings

[slim verge]

going to be fun

[mellow topaz]

Goody, goody gumdrops

Something tells me the ancient patch notes from years past will not be translated

Unfortunately that'll mean the translation percentage is hurt bad

[candid crater]

You can ask to delete it or explain its purpose?

[mellow topaz]

?

[foggy steppe]

It might be because previously older patch notes are hidden (visible only to proofreaders)

[sage tangle]

@tawdry ore sorry for the ping, but can you shortly elaborate: When you split the patchnotes, the strings you submitted for the old ones are just the old translations, so should be 1:1 correct to how they were before?

[tawdry ore]

@sage tangle they should be 1:1 to the old translations 🤞 the strings were extracted directly from the game file for each translation

[sage tangle]

Thanks a lot! Now I try not to ping you again for questions, seeing this is your private account 🙂

[tawdry ore]

Don't worry about it :)

[sage tangle]

If you enjoy lots of pings and questions... 😛

[sage tangle]

Just realised that we have Japanese translators

🤔

[shell vine]

yeah, quite active on crowdin too

[sage tangle]

Yeh I know, I meant here 😄

[slim verge]

[sage tangle]

Apparently we have french translators

[shell vine]

Nah, these are a myth.

[slim verge]

Yeah

[shell vine]

Same as german translators

[slim verge]

Europe doesn't exist

it's all a dream

[sage tangle]

Japan is Europe?

[slim verge]

I think you misunderstand what we're joking on 😄

[sage tangle]

Yes I don't understand french

[burnt sierra]

Love the hitchhikers reference

[dry cradle]

I think there's a slight mistyped string

[shell vine]

Wait a sec pls

Send it by dm pls, to avoid spoilers here

[latent wadi]

o_o

am I the only one?

[sage tangle]

Yes. Prob. banned for making the game crash with wrong translations in the past.

[latent wadi]

that's not me. But I'm taking notes

[sage tangle]

@native token is it possible that @small kernel and @brittle mango get their own translation channel for turkish with role? 🙂

[native token]

can't they just DM each other until there's more ppl involved?

most of these chats really are either 2 people talking to each other or dead

[candid crater]

Fair

[buoyant marten]

What is this chat even for?

[candid crater]

For reading channel descriptions

[brittle mango]

how many words do we need to translate to get the community translator role or something like that?

[mellow topaz]

there isn't really a specific amount, I think

[candid crater]

The issue is not about words, it's about that channel that will be created won't be useful

[sage tangle]

This is the translator channel, we (the community) translate the game 🙂

[small kernel]

@brittle mango 20K words probably but you can still help for translation

[sage tangle]

Makes sense 😄

[hidden dirge]

Wait, we have a spoiler channel? .-.

[sage tangle]

PM

[mellow topaz]

is "stevedore" just a pun on matadores?

[gray arrow]

A stevedore (/ˈstiːvɪˌdɔːr/), also called a longshoreman, a docker or a dockworker, is a waterfront manual laborer who is involved in loading and unloading ships, trucks, trains or airplanes.

[mellow topaz]

what a word to use

[chilly orbit]

Hello, don't really know if the question fits here, but since it regards Crowdin, it might be the more suitable channel for it

Do you have any sort of keyboard shortcut to "force" a string to be confirmed ? In french translation, we don't use much uppercase, and very often, we replace them with lowercase.
So, when I have lots of strings to translate, I always have to click on "save anyway" which is very annoying.
Anyone knows a workaround for that ? Didn't find anything on the web. Thanks 🙂

[sharp dagger]

Yes, in the settings menu in the translation UI. Upper right corner, there should be a menu which has a clickable field like "quality...". I de-selected it and now Crowdin doesn't ask anymore.

[sage tangle]

What kind of German are you?

[boreal quest]

Sloppy

[chilly orbit]

Thanks a lot ! And don't listen to Fakiyo, he's just a grumpy old man 😁

[sharp dagger]

Not a German at all. 😏

[sharp dagger]

It's always the right decision to support a fellow translator (despite pulling huge amounts of aggro from fakiyo)

[sage tangle]

I'm a very calm and sensible and young person.

[sage tangle]

https://pics.me.me/why-do-you-hate-me-brother-31740649.png

[unkempt raven]

Some translations are hilarious. Just witnessed a translation that translated shooting into ''camera shooting''

[mellow topaz]

@unkempt raven what language and what context did you see it in?

[unkempt raven]

Turkish, it was certainly about shooting with a gun though

[mellow topaz]

was it a voice line or an item description?

[small kernel]

@unkempt raven Can you please give this word? I'm translator of turkish

[mellow topaz]

if they're not gonna answer, at least you can search with "shoot" in the string to begin with

[unkempt raven]

"Lets you shoot for a longer time before needing to refill the pressure chamber."

I looked around and submitted some translations that may help

[small kernel]

Okay I will look for that thank you

[sage tangle]

@flat needle Any help is welcome 🙂

[flat needle]

🧐

[sage tangle]

it's voluntary, you can help by just doing something when you feel like it, and any input is always welcome

if you just find the odd typo it's fine.
If you get addicted it's fine. ||one of us, one of us||

[flat needle]

Lol

I'll try to keep an eye on this channel, but no promises

[sage tangle]

Mission names are untranslated RN.

Burn everything around you and send enemies running when the minigun overheats. The extreme heat dumping method also helps to significantly shorten downtime.
How can Japanese players do without this string? They need your help

[flat needle]

lol

[sage tangle]

You get to make fun of other stupid languages ||mostly French||, insight in the game, background info sometimes, a diverse team of helping translators ||some French||, and silly talk.

@foggy pawn and @uncut arch are current Japanese translators. Japanese translation is only at 86%, they need your help! 🙂

[frigid laurel]

Hehehe French

I'd love to help but unfortunately I only know english and a modicum of german

[lusty root]

bleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh I'm finally back after a waaaay too uproarious school period

[sage tangle]

approx 2-3 hours until devs pull the crowdin strings, quick 😛

[lusty root]

(ah, the age old translator's quirk of making a translation while the program yells "NO, JUST KEEP IT IN ENGLISH")

[lusty root]

oh dang, I never noticed that the color changes if you type too much

[lusty root]

is this one of those references that the devs like torturing us with?

[sage tangle]

https://www.cheatsheet.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/02/Robin-Williams-as-Mork.jpg

[lusty root]

what

is that Mork?

[sage tangle]

Google 'Mork'

[lusty root]

why

[sage tangle]

It's a mission last name, knowing GSG it's a play on that Mork.

Also Morkite (the mineral) was a play on the danish ? finnish? word of Dark, which is 'Mork'

[slim verge]

I only know of Gork and Mork

[mellow topaz]

Danish. The Finnish word for dark is "pimeä."

[sage tangle]

Update is out

[boreal quest]

pain

[lusty root]

elite enemies....................sure hope they don't get weird names

oh my god there are so many weapon patch notes

[daring crest]

Mørkite Or in the game Morkite is as seen a black mineral "Mørk" which as stated is dark and black as the starless void

[sage tangle]

maybe it just goes 'Nanu nanu' when you tickle it?

[sage tangle]

Found the French

(We're all friends here)

[boreal quest]

We're all French here

[sage tangle]

No, we established only the Finnish are French (or the other way round)

[boreal quest]

If they are French then so are Hungarians.

[mellow topaz]

what

[chilly orbit]

So I'm now Finnish, Hungarian, and French ? That's nice

[boreal quest]

vittu

[mellow topaz]

perkele

[sage tangle]

Yeh we established that three weeks ago, finnish and french are actually the same language.

[iron sage]

isnt finnish better though

[slim verge]

Depends, do they have "baguette" ? 👀

[boreal quest]

They have ruisleipa

[mellow topaz]

patonki

[lusty root]

so what about Belgium then, we ain't exactly French are we?

[sage tangle]

Whom do you ask?

[boreal quest]

The French

[chilly orbit]

I'm a Northern French, so we are united by french fries and beer love, nationality doesn't really matter

[grand lake]

Did the last update break finnish somehow? Lots of missions where one word is translated and the other isn't. Didn't notice that earlier but maybe I'm just blind?

[mellow topaz]

are you talking about the mission names?

[grand lake]

Yeah

[mellow topaz]

yeah, somehow they just broke
they're still saved in Crowdin though, I'll just have to reimport them

[grand lake]

Alright. Also, some of the perk point missions are in english too but I'm not sure if that was already the case since I've been maxed on perks for a long time

[mellow topaz]

the translation is a little iffy right now, I was busy with IRL stuff (and depression) to focus much on it

if you feel like you could help every now and again, Crowdin's free to join

[grand lake]

Hm, might do that yeah. Took a short break from DRG but yeah

I wasn't sure how the system works

[mellow topaz]

you can ask Jacob for the finnish translator role here for a FI translators channel
I can talk there some specifics about the finnish translation, plus general info about crowdin here

[grand lake]

Alright

[mellow topaz]

Did manage to fix the last names now

the changes are only applied to DRG when GSG pulls the strings

[grand lake]

Yeah makes sense

Funny how it went boom like that

[mellow topaz]

the string system is weird

that's the second time I've had to reimport them

[lusty root]

nationality definitely matters. Flanders d e s p i s e s Wallony

[grand lake]

@solid bough Hello Mr. Jacob. Could I get the Finnish TL channel role?

Please and thank you

[dry cradle]

ping the mods instead, not the devs themselves

[slim verge]

And especially not during week end and in the evening as well 😄

[sage tangle]

Devs and Mods never sleep

[chilly orbit]

Jacob's being mod and cm, so he won't mind much imo, but that's not a reason, and also, the weekend + evening combo is pretty harsh

[sage tangle]

I fondly remember that random guy pinging Soren for a bug complaint or smth.

[lusty root]

What lmao?

[sage tangle]

A guy in this discord apparently thought devs slack off and ignore bugs and each bug needs to be assigned by Soren. 😄

(He pinged him with basically the most minor bug thing)

[chilly orbit]

I just searched all the messages with Soren ping, it's honestly hilarious and concerning at the same time 🤣 (Well, except the hundred times Azerty did, for good reasons)

[slim verge]

you have no idea on how much shit you can find when scrolling through messages... 👀

[hidden dirge]

And that, my children, is how the jira bug reporter was born

😂

[small kernel]

Why primary and secondary objectives are not translated, russian translators?

[candid crater]

Feeling down on DRG, so there's only one guy ||probably|| working on localization

I am starting to feel what happened to previous team

[small kernel]

Don't feel bad, you can keep translate when you have time

[thorny coyote]

Hello everyone. I started translating the game into Arabic recently, and the process is beginning to pick up steam. However, it seems to me that there's no Arabic manager or proofreader. What happens usually in such case? Who's going to review and approve my translations? Also, on what basis does the owner (CSS_Stefan) assign the role of manager or proofreader to someone? Or maybe you guys has nothing to do with this and I should really contact the owner directly 😁 ? Thanks ahead.

[sage tangle]

Hi there! Indeed we've been lacking a translator for Arabic since ages now, so you should be the only one active at the moment.
See here:
#babelfish-lounge message
Proofreaders get assigned once a translator has helped his language for some time and is deemed 'trustworthy'. So not just out of the box

[simple crown]

l

[sage tangle]

How can we help you? This is the translators chat, you're welcome to participate

[simple crown]

Sorry I didn't mean to type in the channel

[thorny coyote]

@sage tangle Thanks a lot. I'll keep translating for now, and let's see what's going to happen in the next few months.

[sage tangle]

Seeing you're only at 15% rn, you shouldn't need a proofreader too soon. Once you do, you should be far enough in to be able to get it 🙂
Hint: Start with the glossary. Establishing the 'vocabulary' of the game before having 10 different translation for an enemy name helps a lot.

[slim verge]

good luck with the translation ! 🙂

[thorny coyote]

@sage tangle @slim verge Thanks guys. I'm trying to follow a systematic approach. Since I might not be able to translate the whole game I made a list of priorities, because, you know, not all strings are equal.

So first, I started with the UI, because this is what every player is going to see before anything else. Next, I started translating the miner's manual. I think it's the most important resource for any player and it's now 90% done. I established the names of dwarves, creatures, planetary regions, and missions.

Today I proceeded to translate the strings that you're going to see in the Equipment terminal. I will focus on each weapon separately before moving to the next one, translating its name, description, modifications, overclocks, and skins.

Once I get this terminal done, I'll translate the wardrobe, Mission Control shouts, and the rest of the terminals, namely Pickaxe Customization, Drone Modification, Assignment Board, and the Shop.

Items low on my list:
-Shouts, excluding mission control shouts. Shouts, which can be found under Game/Character/Shouts makes up a great portion of all strings. Out of the 243 pages in ALLGAMETEXT, 84 are for shouts (around 33%). Now those shouts are important for immersion, but not really for making progress. Also, they touch on most aspects of the game, so translating everything else in advance is essential if I want to smooth the way.
-Patch Notes. I rarely read them to be honest. Moreover, once you translate all the game, translating those will be a piece of cake.

So, what do you think?

[sage tangle]

I like you.

But more seriously: Mission Control shouts are also mission introductions where he tells you what to do. So those should high on the list. (Only the ones where he tells you about stuff. Stay close to the uplink. Search for eggs etc)

Everything else seems very well thought out and like a very good plan.

Important is gametext, patchnotes are a huge task and before you reach a high % not really interesting.

Same for quotes, as you can only read them when you have subtitles enabled anyways

mission names is another thing. On the one hand it's the most useless thing ever, on the other hand you see it every game

but it's complex because depending on how arabic works, you can't use the english approach

but short:
Yes, your system looks great, but don't exclude mission controls 'how to do this mission / objective' lines at mission starts an objectives (uplink, fuelcells, refinery, pipes)

[short abyss]

its gonna be just

really fun translating these headlines

more importantly the {Resource} and {Verb} stuff

Because I have declension in my language

And the word changes depending on the context

:)))

a star shape does cant fit in the square hole

or rather

I'm gonna need to make a hole that can fit 6 different shapes in

for each type of declension

[gray arrow]

Rock and Stone translators! I want to translate the game to Serbian language, but the thing is, I'm completely new at this. I don't know what tools to use, so if anyone can help me I'd appreciate it.

[short abyss]

TIL german has 4 and i have 6 types

And apparently 🇷🇸 is not an available language

for translation

i mean

you could request it like i did

but i did that 3 years ago

[dry cradle]

Ask again

I asked for European portuguese, and they added it

And it was like some months ago

[sage tangle]

Yes, languages can be added if they're asked for. Though they will only be implemented (into the game) after a certain % of translation is achieved.

[gray arrow]

Where can we ask? I can get into translating immediately, I just need to find the tool for it and I'm ready to go.

[sage tangle]

I'll forward your request for another language to the right people, GSG can add it.
So, if you want to start to translate, we use Crowdin (See link in the first Sticky in this channel)

Would it be only you, or do you have friends to help you out?

[short abyss]

either have friends

or end up like me

:I

[sage tangle]

I meant @gray arrow ? 🙂

[short abyss]

I know, I'm just warning him lol

[gray arrow]

So far it's only me, but I have friends who might be interested.

[short abyss]

i think that for declension

since the verb strings will be used only for the headlines

ill sneak in the extra words needed into them so that it'll always make sense

[chilly orbit]

Yes, strings with that Source Location: #. SourceLocation: /Game/Game/Text/News_WordLists.News_WordLists.Creature (with the last word being verb, creature, person, or resource) is for the headlines only, and that's a pain in the *ss to have a reliable, consistent translation. Don't bother with that yet

[short abyss]

too late

i have already bothered

thankfully i have found a reliable solution

at least for verbs

just choosing the right ones

But some just are impossible to fit

so I translate something like "Marries" to "Kisses" - It's contextually similar and in the sake of having it consistent i'd rather have a similar meaning than grammatical errors

[mellow topaz]

same thing with Finnish

I'm forced to change up some words so {Person2} can be in genitive, not partitive

[short abyss]

Life would be simpler if {Person2} had its own list

😔

this is like

progression

[sage tangle]

Damn translators, never happy with anything 😛

[short abyss]

we had {FirstName} {LastName}

Now we have {Person} {Verb} {Person2}

[mellow topaz]

If your {Person} and {Person2} have different grammatical cases (like genitive and partitive), you could probably just swap them around in the original message

Hell, because the ticker's info is comolete rubbish anyway, it shouldn't even matter if the shape of the sentence is completely changed

[short abyss]

That would've worked

actually

thats better than my solution

ill use that i cant cause how i translated verbs

mine was "{Person} {Verb} person, who is a {Person2}"

[sage tangle]

I requested Serbian to be added earlier, may come today or maybe tomorrow judging from experience 🙂

[mellow topaz]

At this point there are so many different translations in the game that there should be a dropdown menu for it all

[sage tangle]

Thaanks for reminding me 😄 Asking. Again

How many languages are there currently to pick from? Crowdin has 33 (soon 34), but not all of them are ingame

[slim verge]

Doesn't it need to be like 20% done to be added ?

I vaguely remember something like that

[sage tangle]

Way higher now.

Thinking about how we can have the option for low % languages to check ingame.

Maybe let them only show up when you enable translation debug mode?

[slim verge]

that would be nice

[sage tangle]

Earlier this (last?) year GSG disabled the languages with a very low % translated and no active progress to be picked inside the game.

Until it gets more progression, but no definite number was mentioned / decided back then.

I either shared it or it was even in one of the patchnotes? Can't remember

[gray arrow]

Thank you! As I have plenty of time I can translate one of my favourite games and that way also introduce my countrymen to it. Rock and Stone ⛏️

[sage tangle]

Which one?

[gray arrow]

Serbian Cyrillic

[sage tangle]

Coming up tomorrow.
When you start, you can look up mohammads post and mine just below, if that makes sense to you. Seeing you start from 0, having priorities is an easy way to cover the most important / visible stuff 🙂
#babelfish-lounge message

[gray arrow]

I read mohammads post about organizing and it inspired me greatly, thank you once again.

[small kernel]

If you have any questions, context or other problems, you can write them here. Start by translating the easy and main things 🙂 Rock n stone

[sage tangle]

My personal recommendation is:

• Tutorial text
• Mission control intro voice lines (Mission howtos)
• Terminals
• HUD
• Assignments
• Perks
• Weapons / Mods
• Miners Manual basics
• last 'should be done' is overclocks, as its endgame content.

Least priority are all other voicelines, mission names, beers, stuff like that

And enemy names are also low prio imo. Though you should start with the glossary

[thorny coyote]

@sage tangle Yeah, you're right with regard to mission introductions. I'll work on them once I get done with the weapons.

Anyway, mission names are going to pose difficulties for me, and without help from the developers, I don't think I'll be able to produce fluent and natural translations of them.

Let me tell you how Arabic works. It's more similar to German than to English. Compared to German, nouns in Arabic have two genders instead of three, namely masculine and feminine. Moreover, Arabic adjectives behave in very similar way to the German ones. They come before the noun, and they are inflected depending on the gender and case of the noun. So the main problem is, obviously, that nouns and adjectives agree with each other in all respects, so we need two versions of each adjective. For instance: Abandoned -> مهجور (masculine), مهجورة (feminine).

Another problem is the English possessive. In Arabic, the possessed noun comes before the possessive one. For instance, take "Engineer's Palace". It's translated as "قصر المهندس", literally "Palace The Engineer". Without modifying the game, the result would be "المهندس قصر", which doesn't make any sense.

There are of course other "semantic" problems, but I won't discuss them, since I think you had enough for now 😄 .

So, how did you dealt with mission names in your language (German)? What about other gendered languages like French and Russian?

[shell vine]

I'll answer for that one as french behaves in a pretty similar way than what you described for arabic : we only have two genders, and adjectives change depending on them.

As such, we changes all the nouns in the mission names to a feminine form, or if not possible, to a close synonym that could be. (feminine because more of the original names were of that gender)

[sage tangle]

In German, we made the adjective to another noun. So instead of Dark which can have 3 genders f.i. 'Dark Forge' (DunklE Höhle) and 'Dark Star' (DunklER Stern).
We turned around the string {firstname} {lastname} to put the adjectives behind
Forge of Darkness
Star of Darkness
This way, the dark is another noun which does not need to be adjusted according to sex / gender of the word

[shell vine]

We then put all the adjectives in feminine form so they could work with the new nouns

[sage tangle]

French: Make everything female
German: Turn the {firstname} {lastname} string into {lastname} {firstname} and turn all adjectives to 'of' Nouns

[shell vine]

And finally, there is a string {firstname} {lastname} that allows you to choose what order you want the lists to be displayed in : you just need to move around the two brackets (don't forget the space)

[thorny coyote]

@sage tangle @shell vine Thank you guys. Very interesting tips!

The gender of an Arabic noun is fixed, that is, there are no feminine or masculine forms of the same noun. However, using only masculine or feminine names (by resorting to synonyms) might work. I'll study this possibility in detail later.

I didn't like the German approach that much. It changes the meaning in many cases (Useless Axe -> Axe of Uselessness, Deep Grave -> Grave of Deepness). Nevertheless, I'll keep it my mind for the future.

I couldn’t agree with fakiyo more. Translating those names is too much work for little reward.

[sage tangle]

Keep in mind this is just a silly random name generator, so nothing implying meaning to the player. So making it work in your language is more important than keeping a word close to original when its just wrong / doesn't make any sense. We also have a list with all mission name strings

So you can do it in excel

[short abyss]

should've gone to a linguistics school smh

[sage tangle]

Recover {count} Black Box
There is only 1 Blackbox possible, no?

because blackbox is a DD objective, and it's always only 1 per mission?

Which one is the full health string? Can't seem to find it

[small kernel]

Those maybe? @sage tangle

[sage tangle]

Alex added the language for you, you can get started now 🙂

[gray arrow]

Thank you, Rock and Stone ⛏️

[sage tangle]

Oh also:
Things in {bla} are code variables and do not get translated. F.I.

{distance} {unit}

You can just copy and paste it in as it is.

If you don't submit a translation, the string stays the same, too

so

Stage {stage}/{total}
For German becomes
Ebene {stage}/{total}
Everything inside brackets stays the same

[gray arrow]

Noted

[sage tangle]

If you have a language which is similar to yours and you need inspiration how to solve a certain problem, it always helps to expand the 'Other languages':
1

[slim verge]

good luck on your translation journey !

[gray arrow]

Croatian is basically the same as Serbian, so that's good to know

[gray arrow]

Thank you sir

[sage tangle]

@gray arrow @thorny coyote I added you to the sticky translator list for your language, so we know whom to contact.

[small kernel]

I wanna ask something, is this string faulty? This should be "Only part of {resource} shipment is salvaged"?

[short abyss]

It's fine

[sage tangle]

Only one part of Nitra shipment is salvaged

Only one part of Dystrum shipment is salvaged

[small kernel]

I mean, "shipment" should be "shipment is" or not?

[shell vine]

It's fine as it is, clunky grammar is a whole point in these sentences

[small kernel]

Alright thanks

[short abyss]

Anyone who plays DRG on 🇵🇱 , 🇧🇷, 🇪🇸, 🇨🇿 does the text for barley bulb overlap for you

cause it does for me

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/349321497267011594/840613087027396660/unknown.png

im asking for those langs cause the string length is the same/bigger

[limber yarrow]

I'll check when i get back home from work

[sage tangle]

@candid crater

[candid crater]

Dead

[foggy steppe]

Can't check right now but I think it overlaps 🇨🇿

[limber yarrow]

It does

Also, sorry for taking too long 😂

I forgot

[small kernel]

@pearl tapir Hi, how can we help you?

[sage tangle]

Making the font smaller wouldn't be a solution, rather have it 2 lines with a break, no?

[leaden sapphire]

That's something I think I mentioned some time ago when I saw it. Not sure if I reported it on Jira thought, might be the reason why the issue is still around.

And yes, smaller font might be too small fmp

[small kernel]

Hungarian

Brazil

Polish

Brew ingredients are overlapping yeah

@sage tangle We can report this in your faulty report case?

And also minerals overlaps with hud too

[sage tangle]

Of course, sure! Though do check if there's one already. (if yes, please link it)

That's what it was created for 🙂

[small kernel]

Okay done

[short abyss]

😔 its worse than i thought

i was sad to see mine overlapping but when i saw that others had longer it was like "wait a minute, is everyone else having an overlap too???"

so i had to check/ask

thought i was the exception

Now I want to know if I should keep my translation or change it to be shorter

[sage tangle]

Those strings are still the same as the ingame object, no?

Like the inventory nitra is the same string as the ping Nitra during a mission

[short abyss]

One's
SimpleObjectInfo_GEN_VARIABLE.InGameName
and the other is
BrewingIngredients.BrewingIngredients
when it comes to instances of the name

exlcuding the headline strings ofc

short answer: probably

[sage tangle]

You could note it down for the next experimental and try it / change the string during the builds to see which effect it has.

[gray arrow]

Guys, in this line:
Scouting mission, Team. Your job: Get in deep, recover suitable samples of the local strata. Your scanners will point them out. Dig 'em loose, get some lifters on them, and send them back to base.

Does strata mean glacial strata biome?

#. Key: B370475240429C6C29ACFB92395A561D #. SourceLocation: /Game/Character/Shouts/MissionControl/NotHookupYet/Shout_Mission_Begin_LifterRockets.Shout_Mission_Begin_LifterRockets.Entries(0).Entries.Text #: /Game/Character/Shouts/MissionControl/NotHookupYet/Shout_Mission_Begin_LifterRockets.Shout_Mission_Begin_LifterRockets.Entries(0).Entries.Text ,B370475240429C6C29ACFB92395A561D

[limber yarrow]

If i'm not mistaken, i think it refers to the planet's geology

[mellow topaz]

Is that even in the game?

[limber yarrow]

Maybe is a new string

[sage tangle]

I think that's an unused line (from old / scratched gameplay?)
Anyways, strata means a layer of rock. Geology as Lark said

[gray arrow]

I think that's an unused line (from old / scratched gameplay?)

Oh, so I guess I should not translate it?

[mellow topaz]

no harm in translating them

[gray arrow]

You are right

[sage tangle]

Basically, translate everything you see which does not require a systematic approach. (Mission names, Enemy names before you dediced on how you want to name them, etc)

You will find a lot of unused / cut strings

[honest sun]

@small kernel Hi. Please forgive me, if my words sounded too harsh. My translation like is my homeland, and when some drunk bloody russian cames and starting rape it I will defend.
I'm completely open for critic and when 'mistake' approved i can change texts.
Once more, I'm really sorry if my words was too harsh.

[buoyant dagger]

https://tenor.com/view/what-are-you-talking-about-huh-what-what-are-you-saying-stirring-gif-17820207

[honest sun]

Some Crowdin wars and real life

[proven gale]

That's one strong rant 😄 By the way, do you have a brother, Andrii?

[mellow topaz]

wh

[honest sun]

@proven galeYup, I am. You know him too? 😱

[proven gale]

Yeah, from the Satisfactory project 🙂
(Sorry for the off topic.)

[small kernel]

Hi. Your words were not too harsh don't worry, I understand you and it was not a problem for me. I just tried to help, everyone's own translation matters. So don't blame yourself 🙂

[sage tangle]

Huh, fun fact.
If you have everything but patchnotes and steampages translated, you reach about 63-65% total translation. Steampages and patchnotes make the rest

[slim verge]

patchnotes are a huge part indeed

[sage tangle]

Thank god we finally have them separate to see this more clearly

Yeh I was just checking the overall progress of all languages and wondered why some big ones were 'only' 60%

but they are actually 100% (minus patchnotes and steam site)

who nobody cares about anyways

[mossy egret]

Patchnotes

[sage tangle]

except seph 😛

[chilly orbit]

Hey, I care about the patch-notes ! Because they're the easiest way to grind words count on Crowdin

[sage tangle]

Ban drako as stat pusher

[chilly orbit]

Ban you, because you suggested to ban me, therefore you are mean

[onyx frigate]

Hey, is there a way that someone can get into a better position for a translation team for Crowdin, so they can approve translations or so? 🤔 I wasn't using Crowdin a lot, but there's a lot of translations that might be used immediately and it might stagnate a lot sometimes, if there's not many users upvoting it or something

[mellow topaz]

Translations don't need a certain amount of votes to get accepted into the game, GSG just pulls the topmost string

A string doesn't need a proofreader's approval to be accepted

[onyx frigate]

Alright, I'm not sure about it, there's a lot of translated, but "Not Approved" strings, so I didn't knew if they're being used or not

[mellow topaz]

They will once the strings are pulled

The topmost translation will be used

[onyx frigate]

Alright, thanks 🙂

[shell vine]

The way strings are used in the game is the following :

• no translation submitted = use the original one
• one submission = it is used
• several submissions :
  • the one that is approved, if none then
  • the one with the highest vote score, if same score as others then
  • the last one to be submitted.

The strings are not automatically added to the game when the are submitted, but only when the devs "pull" them and build the game, which happens during experimental periods and for the hotfixes (when they don't forget).

What language are you working on, btw?

[digital dawn]

Hello all, and happy anniversary (belated)!

I'd like to open a translation for Esperanto. How would I go about doing that? I have a Crowdin account, I see most everything takes place there.

Also -- does the game support translated voice clips, or text only?

[sage tangle]

@digital dawn hi there. Only text so far. Uhm, what's esperanto? 😄

[digital dawn]

It's a constructed language, the most spoken in the world with about 1.5 million speakers; invented in 1887.

[sage tangle]

Yeh just read the wiki article about it

So that would mean people with that language translating it, it's all community effort. You can start if GSG opens up the language.
@shell horizon is it possible for you to open Esperanto? 😄

Never heard of it before, really interesting

[limber yarrow]

You learn something new every day

[sharp dagger]

Yeah quite interesting. Fun fact, the guy who invented Esperanto (an eye doctor) actually never named the language afaik, "Esperanto" was just the alias he first published the language under. 🙂

For German speakers, there is a great episode on the topic by a well-known podcast group: "GAG111: Die Anfänge des Esperanto"

There's even an Esperanto Wikipedia.

[digital dawn]

"Esperanto" is the doctor. The language is "Esperanto's monster" 😉

[sharp dagger]

Haha, yeah, you could say that. 🙂

[digital dawn]

I'm an admin at what seems to be the largest Esperanto Discord server, looking for opportunities to spread the language but more importantly, looking to give Esperantujo more options, more games to play. I think this game will be a fantastic fit as my community is always searching for more small, co-op games to play together, and we're always willing to support a company that will let us publish/translate in EO

Not to mention I've been freaking obsessed with this game since I was introduced 2 weeks ago lol. I stream it there sometimes

[sage tangle]

I pinged Alex above, though they just had a holiday yesterday / bridge day, and now weekend.

[sage tangle]

I'm assuming it is the case, but do you know if that language is even possible on crowdin? 😄

[digital dawn]

In fact, yes! Minecraft uses Crowdin and supports Esperanto through there as well as a slew of lesser-known conlangs

[sage tangle]

Great. Then I hope we get Esperanto 😛

[digital dawn]

🙌 Here's hoping, thanks for the warm welcome. There's no hurry either; I just saw the localization debug mode in the options and thought, huh! Maybe they accept community translations

[sage tangle]

Everything but english is community translated 🙂

English is original / from the devs, even though they're from Denmark

[sage tangle]

If I understand you correctly, you already looked up our crowdin?

https://crowdin.com/project/deep-rock-galactic

[digital dawn]

Aye! I've never used Crowdin before but I did have an account already when I went looking at Minecraft's translations

HaikuOS uses something similar to Crowdin which I did use before, but I think I prefer Crowdin's interface lol

[mellow topaz]

Never thought I'd see an esperanto translation.

[dusty wadi]

I’m fluent in French and I have a French-Canadian accent. I’m interested in voicing the dwarves. Since from my understanding the dwarves are already voiced by one guy this shouldn’t be a problem.

Canadian French accent already has undertones of "simple working class folk" to most European French speakers so I believe having the dwarves sound vaguely French-Canadian is a plus!

[slim verge]

I guess if you're willing to fly to their studios, it can work

but you'll have to see that with the devs 😄

[dusty wadi]

I can just record myself and mail the voice files, no?

[slim verge]

I guess but this does not guarantee quality

I remember someone who wanted to do that as well

[sage tangle]

@digital dawn Esperanto has been added by Alex 🙂

If you have any questions or need a point of reference, don't hesitate to ask away.

[mellow topaz]

That 63% hurts me

[sage tangle]

That's 96% allgametext, which is the only important one.
The 0% Patchnotes and 0% steampages are the culprits

Allgametext > Steam Achievements > Steam Rich Presence > Patchnotes > Steampages
Glossary is out of line because it's really useful at the start, and not so more at the end

[digital dawn]

Dankon, kia ĝoja okazo!

[sage tangle]

Gern geschehen. Thanks to Alex

[mellow topaz]

how'd you even start learning Esperanto in the first place?

[boreal quest]

The separate change logs bring it down a lot

Don't feel bad about the percentage.

[sage tangle]

Esperanto has no flag as default emoji in discord. Bad

[mellow topaz]

the emoji flags are for countries, not languages

[sage tangle]

Own state for Esperanto when?
Spain should be good, ESPANOLE and ESPERANTO

[signal prism]

Poor guy didn't calculate with the future sheer economical and cultural prowess of the USA, and thus english

[sharp dagger]

All the best and lots of energy for your translator journey.

[digital dawn]

I'd say "Nobody expects the English inquisition", but with Britain's history that's not even true, is it