I could do two hundred per night maybe but I don't feel like it right now. JUst want to play the game... I probably should.
#babelfish-lounge
rain spruce
shell vine
I would advise to translate the names outside the crowdin, and upload them all at the same time, to avoid a partial translation in case they update the game in the meantime
rain spruce
Well the Swedish is already partial because someone translated about 15% or the names already. Looks awwful
shell vine
Ouch, best of luck to correct it then
leaden sapphire
Yeah, always a pain to have that situation, most likely because people dont know and/or dont ask about how updates are done 😦
rain spruce
There's a mission in Fungus Bogs now called 'Lucky Armpit'. Going to do that just because of the name and then maybe get back to work.
shell vine
That's the fun of it
leaden sapphire
That's part of it, I guess. Got one called "White depths"...and in this game there are no white depths at all, not even in frost caves 😛
sage tangle
@rain spruce @shell vine has an excelsheet with all names. translate them inside there. Because you'll get 'doubles'
like 5 variants of cave
shell vine
sage tangle
and next patch: seeing they are 1 month apart and the last patch was 1 week before xmas (holidays) and we have no new infos yet, I'd just assume you have at least 2 weeks until the next one hits
rain spruce
Actually the two most duplicated lastnames I got were synonyms for trail and grave. Cave has more useful synonyms in Swedish than those two. Done with lastnames now though. Will sleep on it and maybe do firstnames tomorrow.
And I'm surprised the word 'mine' didn't appear even once, but I put that in as replacement for 'hulrum'.
sage tangle
huh, the forge terminal is really stupid to translate. because if you dont have cores and translate each line seperatly, they dont play well together.
had to open the forge ingame and translate the whole thing so it makes sense
solid bough
FYI we've lowered the tiers, and set them to a fixed value instead of a percentage. I'm going through the members and readying rewards for everyone qualifying for the new tiers (who hasn't already received a reward for that tier).
gray arrow
probably
gray arrow
that thing where they give game copies to people who translate much
before it was like 25% of one language for one copy
solid bough
You get a key for 10k words translated.
At 20k you get three more keys + name in credits
solid bough
and it used to be 25% and 50%, that needed updating since it was 40K words back then.
gray arrow
hell consume that one guy who griefed the patchnote translation
sage tangle
Just looked it up, I'm at 7300+ words now
fickle ivy
I think i might qualify if i translate patch notes for 1 update lmao
sage tangle
In German the 5 untranslated patchnotes were 12000 words or smth iirc
solid bough
👀
fickle ivy
if i were to try and translate patch notes should i start with newest or oldest
newest i'm guessing since they are most relevant
sage tangle
Or 9000? Well 12% of the words are patchnotes. I counted the words in word because I can't be assed to translate 5 m o patchnotes for the 3 guys who read it in german
Terminals overclocks and beer are priority
12% are UNTRANSLATED patchnotes, 4 or 5 patchws
sage tangle
Concentrate on weaponmods, deep dive and matrix cores and beer effects
sage tangle
That's what I do, game needs to be fully translated when it gets released and that's what I do
fickle ivy
i may push myself do do all them patchnotes later before release
give myself like a week to do that
to not go crazy
sage tangle
I'll only touch those when everything else is done and or the game gets out. 1.0 log would get a translation directly because important
fickle ivy
would be nice
sage tangle
Important is everything which
Explains the game
You see all the time
So mission control, terminals, mods and OCs, everything deepdive cores and machine events, and beer
Because even if it's a small word, when you see it all the time its important to tell the player it's translated
After that enemies and mission names
Interesting, translated since I started are 7350 words by me, which pushed progress from 65% to 73% now. (Only 1 other guy added a bit beside me, but I needed to adjust that quite a bit)
And 10k words equals 13,2% translation of all words in the game
When you're the only one @fickle ivy for polish, you'll get your names in credits 
If there's still so much left
fickle ivy
I'm not by far
there's been a couple of people translating
but only 1 guy recently
my only hope is patch notes
or new content 
sage tangle
I mean I translate anyways, so going to 10k isn't hard at all and I'd hit it this weekend anyways if nothing gets in between. For 20k, I have to translate everything, and at least 2 patchnotes because everything else is complete by then
(My aim is to have German translation on 88% current word count on release, because rest would be patch notes which have the least importance in my book)
So that when 1.0 hits everything within the game itself is translated for our picky German players
This weekend I'll summarise all weapon texts by weapon, so I translate their effects with an equal wording (focus shot, charged plasma and stuff) because I found if you translate strings too far afar, you suddenly use different words for the same weapon...
@gray arrow who griefed the patchnotes?
I only read somebody tried to sell his editions he got from the DEVs for something (translation?) For money and mods banned him for that
gray arrow
some rando placed a shitty unfinished patchnote translation for u27
and it made its way into the game
sage tangle
Like badly translated or put random text in there?
gray arrow
<20% and absolutely awful quality
they just decided to put in their own versions because whynot
well at least that was a lesson for me
dont procrastinate and put things in as soon as you can
sage tangle
Should I get there, I'd hit u26 and 27 because most important so far
shell vine
I wasn't even aware that at there was a something given for the translation work... Meh, doesn't change a thing
sage tangle
Same, didn't know
But I guess that's good, so nobody is like
Let's screw up 20000 translations for key
leaden sapphire
Still a risky move. Hopefully there wont be people copy/pasting translations from Google and willing to get a game copy. Proofreaders should look up close now.
But at least I have in mind a few guys here who really deserve those game copies, not only for their contribution in translations but also for being aware of this channel, communicating doubts, clarifying issues and many more.
So Ghost Ship is doing the right thing for those of you reaching the level
sage tangle
Dunno about other translations, but German lacked a lot of strings, and I'm going over all untranslated stuff, so I have to look up quite a lot existing stuff and crossread. Plus playing German now. So I 'proofread' and adjust and make comments as well. I guess with more readers on other languages that happens even more
Guess if somebody made stupid things one of the guys notice and DEVs will make a quick string patch out of turn if it's really bad
How did you guys translate the mission names 'yellow'? Spain and French fi
Another question
When a new experimental build gets released, are the new translated strings included already?
And
When the experimental gets to normal patch, do you have to wait 1 month to include the new strings (let's say all deep dive strings) or will it be included in the hotfix?
short abyss
i usually thought that from experimental to release was the time i had to translate all the strings
and any hotfix that releases will also update the strings
leaden sapphire
@sage tangle I used the word "Ocre" (which means "Ocher" in english, that is, a tone of yellow) in the Spanish (Spain) project
"amarillo" ("yellow" in english) had an ending which varies with gender (amarillo, amarilla), and therefore I had to choose something with no variation, and "Ocre" was my closest choice
shell vine
@sage tangle I used "jaune" which is literally 'yellow'. As for the other questions, I don't know.
leaden sapphire
Same here, not really sure yet about how updates really work
sage tangle
<something> of yellow?
shell vine
no, something yellow
sage tangle
no, normally it would be
firstname (yellow) secondname (forge)
so now its reversed
Forge of Yellow
what did you translate for firstname yellow? 😄
shell vine
First names are adjectives => adjective for yellow is 'yellow'
In french it would give "forge jaune"
sage tangle
meh doesnt work in german
sage tangle
Where does the spring LINECUTTER (Forgedetails) show? Can't find it ingame
sage tangle
Also, how 'free' are you with beards and moustaches? I mean they should be descriptive and funny. The handlebars have very unused.. images / wordings in german. Do you think taking a liberal..
'Stache (Schnorres) or german Rotzbremse (Snot-breaker) is good? :3
No German Beard may lack the Rotzbremse. Everybody knows that one
And Schnorres
Aaaand we're up from 65% to 77% German 🙂
88% to have everything except recent patchnotes translated. Time to go to bed.
solid bough
shell vine
Hey, any particular way for us to report missing strings in the crowdin? (Because it leaves some parts of the game untranslatable...)
sage tangle
What's missing?
shell vine
"today's special" on the board next to the bar, a couple ones in the discord integration panels, the "unknown material" one for the laser pointer, probably a couple others I can't think about right now.
sage tangle
I'm certain today's special is there, I translated it?
shell vine
It's just there isn't a form, or a specific way to push the info back to whomever is in charge of the crowdin project...
On that particular board, it is not in game
sage tangle
Azerty you're giving good advice, any words on beard names?
Wait which string did I translate then?
The one on Lloyd or the one to his right?
shell vine
Not really, I didn't do them for french, and I don't really know anything about them...
Some in particular you are looking after?
sage tangle
Handlebar
Like all of them. I mean one has the literal translation again, which is just silly.
shell vine
This was translated litterally in french...
sage tangle
On beards there's a handful where the noun just doesn't cut it in german
Because one of them is already translated, with Lenkstange or Handgriff
Which is complete nonsense in German. Evem to describe those beards
shell vine
I can't really help you here, I really don't know any german...
Maybe if you ask in a barbershop?
With some photographs of the skins?
sage tangle
So I was like
Heck this is no coherent description, text with sentences
And made it Rotzbremse (snot-break or breaker) which everyone in Germany calls that kind of beard shrug
shell vine
I would go with the name most used for the beards, not the translation.
More people could relate to it
sage tangle
Yeh I still feel weird if I go too freely
shell vine
I'm guessing you still haven't gotten any contact from the other translators? or the proofreader?
sage tangle
One translator he's new and contacted me on his own, joined after me and did 100 translations most of them I had to touch again
shell vine
You should ask Jacob directly for the role next time he is around. Might as well ask him if he's heard anything about the proofreader
sage tangle
I'm actually feeling more confident. I don't translate utter rubbish in there, so everything new / yet untranslated gets a good coherent German wording next patch, others can suggest changes or better stuff anytime right
Well you guys said ask a mod, so going after Jacob would skip their authority. That's why they're here , so we don't bother the DEVs all the time
I'm a good dwarf
shell vine
I can't see the mods actually doing it, and you translated way more than necessary to be considered a translator
Since Jacob is popping here regularly, might as well ask him
sage tangle
I mean it shows me the invisible translator channel or what exactly again?
If I'm the only one active at this time anyway it doesn't make such a big difference
Most of my questions are general anyways, I'm rather confident with my wording. More questions in the direction 'how far can I go if.... Special case here'
shell vine
I think the answer to "how far can you go" would be :as far as needed to make the string sound good. We rewrote some entirely so the meaning would be the same, but we try to keep the same "feel" from the originals.
solid bough
@sage tangle done!
sage tangle
Sorry again, did I over read something?
Oh wait I'm bluish
Thank you very much Jacob!
I want to reiterate that I only asked a mods and not Jacob I'm a good dwarf not skipping mod authority
Okay, last activity in German translation channel is from September. That explains a bit.
sage tangle
And there's only 2 messages at all.. ookay
shell vine
That's a bit... disapointing
sage tangle
Yes, only 2 members me included
shell vine
The other one is Disasterday ?
sage tangle
Okay then I'll just start documenting my changes / why I did something this or that way.
solid bough
Better assemble a german translation posse!
sage tangle
No he's not the proofreader
shell vine
Is the proofreader even still on the server?
sage tangle
He's the guy seesebb from the crowdin, very similar name. He did quite some translations I stumbled upon, but only till September
Well he's not in that channel
As I said I posted the 3rd message, + only one other member which has a 90% similar name of another translator from September on the crowdin
shell vine
Seems like you're on your own, then... Good luck
sage tangle
That also explains why the strange unfitting translations are 2 years old
Let's just hope he's active enough to adjust the old beer names from German back to English, like all the new ones
leaden sapphire
Congrats, fakiyo, I knew you would eventually get the role 🙂
shell vine
If not, you'll just have to apply for proofreader position yourself
sage tangle
Oh god
leaden sapphire
I can help a bit with german if you want, I will provide some translations if needed, you can play with them
leaden sapphire
Not a profficient german speaker, but still can speak and write it
sage tangle
How come?
leaden sapphire
Might not be enough for transcreation in a game but...I can try
I worked in germany for 3 years
sage tangle
Uh cool as what?
leaden sapphire
Chemistry researcher
sage tangle
Nice
Okay, prepare for more general questions in this channel then ^^ I'll just go along and when I settle for something I comment on the string and in discord
Just like before
Fitting German beard names it is 
General question for country specific translation channel
Is native language okay, or for moderating reasons enforced that we argue in English to make sure there's no shitfest going on?
leaden sapphire
For beard names, have a look at them in-game, and so some research to see if they have a name in german. It's important to see if there is an equivalent already.
sage tangle
I already did
leaden sapphire
If not, just transcreate a name for it which matches its appearance
shell vine
For specific channel, we chat in french
sage tangle
Nearly all major content since endgame was untranslated before I added to it
leaden sapphire
No native language, sorry, only english in this channel. Only german in the german specific channel
sage tangle
Yes that's what I meant, specific. Neat :)
I also already search Crossstring to ensure an equal translation over all strings
(minus beer f.i. where I gave English names for all beers, because of the in-game logos and translating doesn't make any sense, but the very old 3 beers were already in German so I flagged those as issue )
leaden sapphire
Well done 🙂 You are doing a great job, keep with it. I'm sure german players will be very happy with the final result.
sage tangle
Guess I have to give compliments to the wiki guys, it makes the work quite comfortable to be able to look up everything there in sweet columns
#wiki-related-chatroom
Yeh I'm talking about it with my German player friends and one who doesn't play the game but is professional German translator and subber
wraith atlas
russian localisation has ЗАБЕРИТЕ НАШИ ДАННЫЕ (roughly translated to TAKE OUR DATA) instead of take a survey. i suggest chagnging it to ПРОЙДИТЕ НАШ ОПРОС.
or ЗАПОЛНИТЕ НАШУ АНКЕТУ
sage tangle
@gray arrow I think?
solid bough
Please don't take our data.
sage tangle
Similar problem for German iirc.
It's funny how a seemingly correct translation in text makes no sense at all when ingame...
You just have to play the game to translate 95% correctly
Some strings may have been done by people not playing it seems
dense valley
@wraith atlas I fixed this ridiculous translation on CrowdIn just in a moment i saw it in the game, but we need to wait until next patch will be deployed, unfortunately.
For Russian, current translation by no means can be correct, it's just a low-effort suggestion
sage tangle
Are you doing quick and hopefully fitting suggestions to 'just have it translated'?
wraith atlas
I can help if you have a transifex thing or any other crowd-translating site
Oh wait
wraith atlas
Yea i will visit it tommrow
sage tangle
Should the proof reader be online in specific intervals? Or on discord? Or just responding in crowdin messages?
shell vine
I would think they are supposed to be at least active once in a while on crowdin, but I am not one, and therefore cannot speak in their name... I can ask the french one that's online if you want?
sage tangle
wanna play later btw? 😄
shell vine
Not before 22h, in any case (got classes till then)
sage tangle
poor man
shell vine
No, he's the french proofreader (one of two, actually)
sage tangle
sorry, ask him to join playing? Oo
shell vine
No, about your question on proofreaders activity
sage tangle
ahhhhh sorry just got home and a bit stupid atm. Yes sure 🙂
sage tangle
Yes
sage tangle
like how often do you correct / have to be active?
wicked scroll
you just get the role because you are really active on the translation, and it's up to you to continue working on it at your own pace
sage tangle
Because I'm bringing german up to date, and quite some already approved translations should be changed for some of those (beernames f.i.) and I want to know how to best ask the proofreader / or if hes active at all
Oh 😮 okay
wicked scroll
we're not under any kind of contracts, so a proofreader could be very active a year ago and completely gone now
sage tangle
Huh
wicked scroll
I know user Era took some time off, he was the one who gave me the proofreader role
sage tangle
Okay I thought they were like 'Okay if you're proofreader, go over it once a month' or smth
wicked scroll
not really no
I'm not even sure Jacob got introduced properly to crowdin, so i'm not sure if anyone can give proofreader privilege at this time
except Soren of course
and there isnt new strings every month
also, we have now the luxury of having excellent translators that go through every translations again to harmonize everything
shell vine
sage tangle
(I didn't ask for the role for me specifically, somehow everybody keeps bringing that up 😮 )
wicked scroll
well it's easier if you are the only translator
that way you can change old translations and lock new ones
sage tangle
🤔
Then maybe I should ask for that
BTW Translation:
Beer brewing string
'Reticulating Splines...'
@shell vine commented
This refers to 3d modelling on a computer, when you ask it to create the mesh for a given object.
Because I have trouble with that, I googled it and low and behold:
https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=reticulating splines
Now I'm not sure if I should even try to go that way, or just use a german equivalent
sage tangle
Also
String without string to translate:
(Communityterminal above jukebox)
Employee of the month
leaden sapphire
You are right. It's on achivements but not on the in-game screen.
fickle ivy
jeez i'm playing the game in polish and it seems like a lot of the mods dont have proper translation
even though i didn't see a string for them that needed a translation
shell vine
were the strings added recently ?
fickle ivy
i'm not sure
but there's like 5 BC mods that don't seem to have been translated
not OCs
and that's just for BC
few OCs lack translation too
maybe it'll be fixed with next update when it gets updated
fickle ivy
also, did you guys translate BET-C in anyway?
somebody translated it and it sounds just weird
limber yarrow
bet-c is the same in spanish
Because is more of a name
I don't remember if there's a string where it mentions what bet-c means
limber yarrow
Exactly
shell vine
BET-C => Breakpoint Explosives Transport - Combat-Specification (from the wiki, couldn't find it on crowdin)
leaden sapphire
Since there is a wordplay so that it sounds like Betsy, same that happens with Molly, don't think it's necessary to change it
It makes the dwarves have their little cute side exposed haha
But of course it depends. If you guys reach a consensus to translate it in all languages, I can do it as well. Translation would be something like STER-C for us to keep the fun of it (there is a Spanish name almost matching it: Ester, which is how the first part will sound)
shell vine
We left it as is in french, because even though Betsy is not a french name, it is close enough for french speakers to identify with the name as such.
leaden sapphire
Yeah, same here in Spanish.
sage tangle
ATM it's the same in German and I prefer to leave 'call-names' as they are
sage tangle
did you guys translate the Union just like a worker community or club, or like a UNION, emloyees banding together against management and fighting for higher wages and paternal leave?
Club / or / Workers right
Union?
slim verge
Translated it towards worker's rights.
sage tangle
Can I check or see somehwere if the proof reader was active?
sage tangle
Where do the Strings
"Not Grounded" (: /Game/Game/Text/Crosshairs.Crosshairs)
Show up?
Also
"LINECUTTER " (/Game/UI/HUD_SpaceRig/Forge/UI_Forge_Details)?
slim verge
You mean, in-game ?
sage tangle
Yes, cant find those
So where do they show ingame and what do they mean? 😄
We did it! +15 %Thank's for all the help and support this far. 8 % more to go and all strings except recent patchnotes are in
slim verge
Gimme a second and I'll find these I think
Okay, for LINECUTTER, I don't know at all.
But for "not grounded", it comes from here :
It's shown when you're playing as the soldier, holding the zipline gun while falling or jumping
covert cobalt
I assume Linecutter is there as it's the code name for Breach Cutter (I don't have access to the decoded file it's from)
There have been a few string on the site which don't need translation, a few just being names for unreal engine features
sage tangle
Thank you. Yeh that's why I wondered why linecutter goes to forge UI?
fresh wharf
if someone still has list of missing strings:
https://i.imgur.com/Stn1Qnv.png
https://i.imgur.com/zPkxP7s.png
fee on first image
and if possible dash fix is appreciated
like why it turns into underscore
sage tangle
@wicked scroll and other proof readers.
Jacob adjusted my rights on crowdin to german proofreader, can I contact one of you guys later today or prob. Tomorrow for more obviously upcoming questions I'll have directly?
wicked scroll
Fire it here
sage tangle
All right once they appear I'll fire here
Started approving the obvious stuff to test it.
I think I understood it already, but just to be sure
@wicked scroll
Can you give me a quick rundown how proofreading changes the patch-in and editing behaviour on crowdin and game wise?
wicked scroll
Frankly the only difference is that approving a string override the voting system
short abyss
i use it as a "this is 100% correct and i dont need to look at it" button
sage tangle
So it makes all edits of others not change the translation.
But if its without approval, any new translation with more + votes than the old one gets included and overwrites the old one with less + votes right?
so if an old (approved) translation is wrong or doesn't make sense anymore I have to unapprove it / change the approved one?
wicked scroll
yep
also, it's very useful when you are working, since you can only show unapproved strings
but first thing we did was work on all the previously approved strings, unapprove the wrong ones, and then work on everything
sage tangle
I did it the other way round. Got from 55% to 80% translated, and noting wrong / issue strings I saw ingame.
(because obviously I just became proof reader so it wasn't possible any other way)
wicked scroll
yeah but time to work on the previously approved strings now that you are proofreader
also don't worry about approving strings and then come back to harmonize everything
sage tangle
Already approving obvious correct strings.
What?
I just filter approved, approved by not me
wicked scroll
we changed things quite a lot. Like in french "you" has two different translation, one more formal, so sometimes it was one or the other, then we went back and changed everything again 😄
sage tangle
(when I get to changing old stuff)
But I already know a handful of strings in gonna change later.
I think stuff you see
- regularly
- all the time
Is important to be correct. The terminals have strings which are too long to show, and it's been approved since 2 years
Yes, some strings also have formal writing, which mission control would never do...
sage tangle
Now I'm accepting stuff which is correct, like code strings or one word strings I know where they show up, and try to leave not 100% stuff for later.
Obviously I'm not accepting my stuff right away
Already forced asked my German speaking friends to switch from en to ger with the next patch
solid bough
ACH DU LIEBER!
sage tangle
Ach herrje!
STOP, ES IST HAMMERZEIT 🔨
(switch to look over everything and tell me what sounds or looks odd)
Nobody could be bothered to actually help translate in crowdin, so now I ask them in discord for their opinion sometimes instead shrug
I haven't played a game in German in the last 10 years. Feels odd to do it now
- 000 words to approve. Neat
stoic trellis
shell vine
@stoic trellis Please use the appropriate channel, #babelfish-lounge is reserved for translations matters
short abyss
lol
sage tangle
Huh?
sage tangle
What happens when I put up a new translation, don't vote and both translations have 0 votes? Does the new one get taken?
short abyss
Most recent you mean
shell vine
yes, the last one to be added
sage tangle
Did I understand correctly, that new strings get in with experimental builds as well, and every hotfix for exp, making it the best possibility if I want to see something ingame (terminal, font layout)?
solid bough
Sometimes strings get added during experimental too.
shell vine
When the patch note for update 28 will hit crowdin, will it already be too late to translate it before it is integrated to the game? So is it worth it to prioritize it's translation, or is the race lost in advance? (I ask because for update 27, it hit crowdin 5 hours before realease...)
sage tangle
If it's no hassle I would like to request that (translation update, include new translations) for the next experimental.
So far 12.000 new German strings, changed a few approved strings and approved some more.
Need to see some things ingame.
Maybe for each hotfix, or is that unusual?
Pretty please.
sage tangle
I translated all the untranslated terminal stuff (deepdives, descriptions, assignments corehunt, oc explanation and beers), want to check they're not breaking the terminal screens and stuff.
Dual screen support for DRG which continues terminals on the second screen when?
solid bough
see roodmop @sage tangle
Anywho, we'll try to get the strings out ASAP in regards to experimental - doing it before that would leak some of the planned content, so that's a bit harder to do.
sage tangle
Ahh sneaky secrets.
It's a haaard life
To be translators together
Translate new strings forever
In the games code
It's a long hard fight
To try to learn from each other
To trust in one anothers
Approved strings
We need a Freddy emoticon with dwarven beard
sage tangle
Is it true that each translation you have to compile the whole game new? It's not an external lib you just link or so?
solid bough
We have to actively merge it into the game when we build it. The translations are not live and separate.
solid bough
we could if it was absolutely necessary, but it does take some ressources if it's not with an update (we'd have to branch and merge).
sage tangle
Yeah just asking what if and how it works.
I'm translating with open eyes, but just to make sure what would happen on major screwups. Suddenly the code is full of
Jacob ❤️ Jacob ❤️
I'll just ask mist what not to do, something about a huge string or smth
Uurgh some old strings are singular, others are plural
Which doesn't make sense, as MC always talks to miners, team, stuff. So plural
And then you come to strings...
Daily eggs
What? 🤔
I mean some stuff is obviously functional, sometimes cut beer descriptions. But daily... Eggs...
frank sierra
at least it's not dairy eggs, would've been more confusing
sage tangle
Only 2 pages (100) strings left to translate. They give me a headache. 🤔
wicked scroll
truth be told, since a lot of strings are just one world and you're not sure what it is linked to, it's better to just translate once, then when it hits the game, see all the mistakes and correct them.
sage tangle
Existing translations are helping quite a lot
Nah those were easy. It's more about sayings you can hardly translate
Is dance commander a hint for a movie or something?
Or is it a dancing teacher?
Focus shot kill aoe fear is stupid to translate.
Aoe is in a radius around you right?
Focus shot fear radius on kill a good translation?
shell vine
I think the focus shot fear works around the affected ennemi...
sage tangle
Got around it using an existing translation, which is just as unclear but a good translation meaning wise
Shrug
Guess I'll have to tackle the changelogs.
Cries in German
Can you give me a general guide how you did those in voicechat later?
sage tangle
Ever got the feeling GSG devs are reading too many novels?
Looking at you, beer descriptions.
Either someone wrote that in his private library, tasting wine, or in a bar after reading too many beer ad texts. Maybe both.
They were definitely written in passion by someone having either consumed alcohol shortly before or in anticipation to do so shortly
Maybe an author who started coding.
Or a coder who started drinking 
wicked scroll
if you encounter something "strange", there's a chance it is a quote or a reference to a movie/book/song
I always use the official translation for them
solid bough
@sage tangle https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRrfnvGQG1I
wicked scroll
we had the problem this week in french, seems like a lot of people don't get the Jaws reference
solid bough
beer descriptions are on Rob. He is definitely well read.
better link edited in above
wicked scroll
i was watching it D:
solid bough
NOW YOU'RE NOT
it's just a loose reference to the title and it fit with throwing the lures with the dancing holograms
solid bough
oooh, tres dirty
sage tangle
😂
sage tangle
shell vine
pretty much yes
slim verge
The Electric Six reference always was 👌
sage tangle
I looked into an existing patchnote translation to get a feel for that wall of text. Now I'm unable to speak german anymore, its so bad.
slim verge
Don't worry. I've been translating so much, my google think I'm british now
sage tangle
that patchnote was translated with google translate or smth
its SO bad
whats an electric six reference :3
shell vine
Remember, some people don't use google translation
slim verge
the "dance commander" is a line for throwing L.U.R.E and it's a reference to the song posted above.
shell vine
and they manage to do worse !
sage tangle
I know where dance commander is INGAME 😄
wicked scroll
I changed my google to english to get better results 😐
sage tangle
thats the problem, why I asked for it
shell vine
I use Qwant
slim verge
Oh yeah, I feel you about that. I had people throw away the patch-notes layout
it was so bad.
Good luck with that
sage tangle
I read it and it feels I know every spoken line, which is creepy
slim verge
Same here...
shell vine
I saw the comments you left on some of those... I kinda get you were in a huff
slim verge
U25 was the largest I think
wicked scroll
some people just destroyed the whole layout, removed parts of the patch notes, etc
passing after them was a real nightmare
a lot of missing /r and punctuation
slim verge
Yeah, we had to remake the whole layout almost
there also were missing lines
or untranslated one
in the middle of a wall of text
shell vine
Historical evidence
slim verge
Yeah, I got a bit caustic on some
sage tangle
😄
slim verge
Anyway, they never answared to anything, comments or PM
Some of them were also translating bots....
shell vine
Did they stop making things worse at least ?
wicked scroll
what about the H E N 🍗
sage tangle
there are 7 changelogs
slim verge
You do too
sage tangle
they are long
slim verge
xD
shell vine
HEN ?
shell vine
Didin't notice anything from him...
slim verge
he has a "chicken" as an avatar so we just called him like that
wicked scroll
mostly because you aren't proofreader and didn't have to pass after the mess
slim verge
His pseudonym was too much of a bother to recall for us so we came up with that
wicked scroll
we fixed everything
shell vine
I also arrived after the mess ; )
wicked scroll
a lot of kind comments on him 😄
slim verge
85% of them were just plain bad
shell vine
So I could spam the issue button !
slim verge
Tbh, it's fine, you're helping a lot
slim verge
Whenever I got notification, I pop up and check them ^^
shell vine
I have the role...
@slim verge I know, I get 10 emails a day with "Ser Pounce has resolved an issue"
wicked scroll
@buoyant dagger @solid bough can someone gives azerty the translator role for his good services?
you only have the fr translator
shell vine
There is a second one ?
wicked scroll
I'm speaking about the community one
slim verge
Woopsie 😄 *
shell vine
what difference ?
slim verge
erm, dunno
wicked scroll
F A M E
slim verge
U S E L E S S F A M E
shell vine
Wouldn't be fun if there something to get at the end...
wicked scroll
woohoo
shell vine
Although I could use crowdin to generate invoices...
wicked scroll
Jacob told me they are discussing the rewards for the translators
shell vine
(0$/h of course)
slim verge
Oh, they are ? that's nice
most of us were just helping with translation because of the passion anyway 😄
frank sierra
Wouldn't be too good of an idea if they don't limit the amount of people who translate
wicked scroll
at least, lowering the % of translated strings needed to get copies of DRG
shell vine
Not really expecting anything tbh
wicked scroll
same
frank sierra
Know from experience people will flood the translation stuff or wiki stuff with useless or wrong stuff just to get the reward
wicked scroll
I have my role and fr translation is done
shell vine
I just want to make the game better
wicked scroll
same
slim verge
you know, it's all about the F A M E
sage tangle
@wicked scroll what rewards? Oo
wicked scroll
although i would never look at the credits 😄
frank sierra
I mean who does?
slim verge
I would just for that 😮
sage tangle
OH yes I remember, bad memory
wicked scroll
sage tangle
I didnt even know there were rewards until then 😄
wicked scroll
they changed it
it was a percentage before that
I don't remember how much, but it was really high
sage tangle
yeh I remember you told me a few days ago
sage tangle
lemme see
frank sierra
if it was that, the new 10k and 20k are definitely less
wicked scroll
yep
shell vine
They could reward you with Credits @slim verge
wicked scroll
time to harass Jacob to get our name in the credits, and the free copies for friends
frank sierra
Consider it just a nice bonus to the real work of helping people understand the game better
slim verge
It's better if it's not spread around though, it will limit people trying to get free copies obviously
shell vine
Too late for the free copies, I bought it five times already (christmas was here)
slim verge
I don't wanna get flooded in Crowdin by new potential chicken men 
wicked scroll
shell vine
2 times the game, way to go !
sage tangle
one more week and theres no german strings (except patchnotes) to translate
wicked scroll
oops, wasn't mine
sage tangle
that table above gives me shudders. I didnt realise how many words that was
wicked scroll
here's mine
shell vine
two more weeks, and you get a whole new lot of strings to do (u28 maybe)
sage tangle
lol, mist translated more than all german top contributers together 😄
sage tangle
You angerous french lunatic
sage tangle
That was supposed to mean dangerous, but angerous is fine also 😄
Beats? There are not more words in the game :3
75k
frank sierra
It's never enough when there's more to translate
sage tangle
How can you translate 135k words if there are only 75k?
slim verge
Dunno 😄
wicked scroll
that's the overall
shell vine
😭 Way behind
wicked scroll
sage tangle
Also, you guys doing something with translation in RL?
shell vine
nope
wicked scroll
nope
frank sierra
Trynna flex but gets proven wrong lol
slim verge
this is the good one, sorry
wicked scroll
damned patch notes
shell vine
Alright, gtg I'll see you guys later... (I'll try to finish a new wiki page this evening, wish me luck)
slim verge
good luck with that
wicked scroll
luck
shell vine
thx
leaden sapphire
You guys have great percentages, congrats to you all 🙂 🙂
sage tangle
whats yours?
leaden sapphire
Mine, you mean?
50428 translations, 28551 approved strings. Still fixing lots of things, I'm proofreader since no more than a couple of months.
wicked scroll
pretty impressive
leaden sapphire
Yours is impressive, not mine 🙂
What is impressive is that we are getting a game translated with our efforts.
That indeed deserves a good "Rock and Stone!!!"
shell vine
sage tangle
Yay.
So, Missionnames. I did it like our french and spanish friends.
Not Firstname Secondname, because each adjective has a sex according to the noun.
Instead of Dark Forge it reads Forge of Darkness then.
So Yellow Forge... is a problem in german. Therer is no Forge of Yelowness...
First thought was Hey, this is a dwarf and mineral game! lets make it X of
Yellow > Topaz
Green > Smaragd
Red > Ruby
...
But no, this game does only know gold, everything else is artificial gems...
So green would be of Jadoz, Yellow of Bismor, Red of Nitra...
But I don't like to imply 'Mineral X may be in thise cave' to new players, so thats a stupid solution too
sage tangle
Hate those.
Oh god, I did my math wrong. One 'page' (46) Strings left to translate to german. Minus 7 Patchnotes, those making up 12917 words.
I have to translate 39 more strings to get all 'proper' ingame strings (no patchnotes) done. 1020 words.
That means 82,9% needs to be translated.
I'm at 81% 😮
leaden sapphire
You've done an amazing job in little time. You should be proud. In any case, re-read your stuff from time to time. Or test it in game and fix it if it doesn't flow well. That way you will reach your best.
slim verge
Nice work there @sage tangle, very impressive indeed ^_^
sage tangle
Thank you but I'm not done yet, stil need to adjust some weird strings which I noticed, promotion texts just scream 'translated'
How did you guys translate the zipline?
In German currently it is Seilrutsche, which is the literal and correct translation. But in German Seilrutsche is just a steel cable which you hook into and slide down with gravity.
You don't slowly go up and down in a fixed speed... Ingame it's more a kind of ski lift, so translation would be steel cable or something
shell vine
The word for zipline in french is "tyrolienne", which is also the name for the 'going down with gravity thing', but the definition doesn't exclude the use of such a cable with a motor as in the game (or what special forces use, as well)
leaden sapphire
Same in spanish, there's several words but we used "tirolina", which is exactly as you and french version mentioned
fickle ivy
same in polish
leaden sapphire
Nothing better we could think of
fickle ivy
Tyrolka
Also guys how do your translations look like for Damage Resistance at Full RoF cause it's kinda ridiculous
It's a mod name that translated or not has longer name than some mods' descriptions
leaden sapphire
Yep, that's a tough one.
In fact I have just translated it and shortened it a bit, but still needs a revamp
I think the best way is to abbreviate something
Something like D. Res. (Full RoF) or something similar
shell vine
Very litteral in french, I'll give it a revamp later (to shorten it)
mostly because there is equivalent to RoF, we have to write it completely
leaden sapphire
so you see, @fickle ivy , in the end we all have the same issues somehow 😛
fickle ivy
It's "Odporność na obrażenia przy pełnej szybkostrzelności" in Polish and i just can't even
how is that a mod name
there isn't really a way to shorten it much either
leaden sapphire
Holy f.... That name sounds like a summoning of an old ancient creature which will destroy mankind 😛
fickle ivy
we dont have a fancy short like RoF
leaden sapphire
We dont have it either 🙄
Thats what happens when USA creates weapons and establishes abbreviations to those, we cannot aim to match those in any way, unless doing it directly (meaning nothing, unles you clarify it)
shell vine
So we are all screwed up by the same things then, it's slightly reassuring...
fickle ivy
only noticed it because i've taken it upon myself to translate the damn patchnotes
leaden sapphire
hahaha kind of
Yeah, usually a way to discover some strings you havent faced. I will let you know once I figure out a way to do it myself, in case it serves
fickle ivy
Made a comment about that one on crowdin but i doubt anyone will see it
leaden sapphire
I always read comments. But I think devs do not. I have left thousands of them, and they have not been fixed so far.
I will insist on this at some stage, I guess.
shell vine
I don't think the devs actually use the crowdin interface, I'd guess they upload strings and pull the translations before an update, but I can't think of a reason for them to actually go in it and check individual strings (especially since there are that many languages with that many requirements...)
leaden sapphire
Well, I know projects when they do. Obviously they dont check all of them, but if you write a comment and tag is as "bug in the original string" it shows in a different list for them
So they can only check those comments and fix stuff
That's how it works, for example, on Minecraft servers, where I have done translations as well
shell vine
I think that is why they made an english translation there, so that it could be used to correct the originals
leaden sapphire
Perhaps
In any case, some translation errors seem more like typos
things like "recieve" or similar
But they have their own pae and might be handling much more things than we think
Perhaps 1.0 is close to be released and they are not paying as much attention to strings as they do with gameplay itself. We will see.
slim verge
Hey there
leaden sapphire
Greetz, pounce. Doing good?
slim verge
Doing fine yeah. And you ?
Not sure about the devs not reading crowdin though.
I think some of them do sometimes, but it's always good to report things on Crowdin and here, that way there's a lower chance of things getting ignored.
But I know they made some fixing with typo and stuff before
But yeah, Crowdin is obviously not their priority. It's a lot of things to read with all the reports
fickle ivy
it may not be a priority but some things really need attention
slim verge
If you think it does, I encourage you to report it here too
It really helps to get them to notice
leaden sapphire
Doing fine as well, thanks pounce.
Well its good to know they have fixed something through Crowdin. I have created thousands of issues, and have never seen a single one of them with the "fixed" status on Crowdin.
That, however, does not mean they do not fix it in game, might just mean they do not check it as "fixed" in Crowdin.
Always tough to translate + test hehe
Gotta go, see you later guys
sage tangle
@fickle ivy
Damage Resistance at Full RoF
Schadensresistenz bei voller Schussrate
Lit:
Damage resistance on full shooting-rate
German compound words for the win?
fickle ivy
;-;
sage tangle
Full meaning maximum and rate meaning frequency (of shots, Schuss)
Urgh Just realized Schussrate. Old translation goes for Feuerrate
God damnit.
3 strings do Schussrate, old ones go Feuerrate. I like Schussrate better and more fitting. Urgh
@fickle ivy
I hope I could be of service
sage tangle
fickle ivy
That doesn't help me much as polish is just an inherently confusing language with long ass letters cause we like to be special like that I guess. That mods name doesn't help with that.
Thanks anyway 
sage tangle
What's the mods name?
fickle ivy
in polish?
sage tangle
The strings original. That was the description wasn't it?
shell vine
No, that's the name iirc
sage tangle
It is done.
No strings except patchnotes left to translate in the German version of the game.
From 65% to 82% complete, 13.000 words in 3 weeks time ❤️
sage tangle
leaden sapphire
Nice job! Rock and Stone... Beers for everyone!!
Time for checking it. Be sure everything is correct and you are happy with the final result.
shell vine
Told you you'd be done with it today ! Rock and stone !
sage tangle
Now the real work begins, proofreading. Made a lot of screenshots of lines where I was like
WTF is that. The ones I looked up made me facepalm already. I mean it's one thing if you're translating and not that good in English, but you should be able to read and write the languages you're translating to. We're not talkin typo here
shell vine
I'm sure you'll manage to see it through (though I don't know if you'll still have SAN points at the end)
solid bough
Some of it could be machine translated - that's not uncommon for people to do that to skip ahead on several projects.
sage tangle
Mh is that wise to let anybody touch it?
shell vine
You mean anybody as "let anyone that wants to help do it directly/ leaving the crowdin in open access"?
sage tangle
Yeh
I'm not sure if letting people unfamiliar with a game / content use your work to profile themselves on crowdin is a good move.
I mean I haven't played German versions of any game in over 15 years, so I'm not sure if people not speaking a single word of English think 'my this machine pseudo German is better than nothing'
What makes me unsure about proofreading is the amount of accepted translations. If there ever was a consent with the naming of enemies f.i. the German translation of caveleeches is Höhlenklette, so cave limpet.
The thing which sticks to your trousers when you go through a forest? Strictly speaking the cave leech isn't a leech, but if you make a free translation it should fit the thing better, not worse than the original. Leeches feed on you so that's fine. But a limpet is passive, not a parasite / hunting
So now that I saw how much seems to be off I get the desire to go over it all more and more, which is on the one hand neat, on the other hand gives a strange taste
'is this what somebody agreed upon ? What about the people playing in German who're used to limpet? Is it okay to change / correct ?"
Fixing a quote from MC or the dwarves is no biggy, but an enemy name which is in the game since forever even if its wrong...
Another big thing which bugs(haha) me is
Bug
Bug in English can be insect or beetle.
In German a bug is always a beetle.
So the lootbug was translated beetle.
Every description of bug is beetle.
I don't know what the intention of the wording was from GSG, but now after so many enemies, I guess beetle is just unfitting.
It also blurs the lines between
Correcting something
Adjusting to your taste / "speech feeling" because it's subjective.
So
Lootbug, beutekäfer, which means booty beetle. It's a larvae. So if I adjust it, the best would be beutelarve (booty larvae) or schatzlarve (treasure larvae)
And I do ask my German mates playing the game for their input. It's not many
So I'm not just making translation, if I touch that I'm also deciding the feel of the game for German players...
solid bough
Well, you can't open source something if you close it off. 😄
It's a pitfall of using crowdin
there was a guy recently who we could see had machine translated a lot of games
it's easy to remove once discovered
sage tangle
Jacob, can you actually see the percentage or number of people playing the game in translation X?
Or only the steam sale statistics which say who bought the game but not what language setting ingame they chose?
shell vine
If that statistic is available, would it be possible to have it for french as well?
leaden sapphire
Hi Jacob, nice to have you around. Hope you are having a good day. With respect to that matter, how shall we proceed? I mean people inserting lots of machine translations. They must be doing so to gain profits on it, such as the game keys. Do we, proofreaders, have the right to remove their translations and lower their translated count, given we can provide a full set of reasons which at least presents, let's say, 1 serious evidence and 4-5 lower evidences of not using game conventions/using completely incorrect context for the translated parts?
And yes, knowing statistics would actually help a lot. Would be great to be in touch with spanish players to know about their impressions on the currently evolving translations
sage tangle
(I just unapproved them, wrote them new or corrected them and accepted the new ones? Dunno how that works for their crowdin statistics)
Can't have shitty grammar or false translations in my favourite game, not gonna happen, no sir
leaden sapphire
You can unapprove them and submit yours if you think its necessary. If they are obviously crap and do not follow conventions, you have the right to do so. Their unapproved translations still count in their "translated strings" count, however. That is why, as a proofreader, I am asking if we can provide a full report before deleting patchnotes from somebody obviously using machine translation. It's a risky move, a lot of strings, and we must be sure about it
shell vine
I know the french version had an episode of really bad translators wreaking havoc, and that the proofreaders deleted the entire contributions of some people at that time...
You might want to ask them directly how they proceded with it (Mist and Ser pounce ).
leaden sapphire
Another possibility is leaving it without deleting, them passing the info along to DRG guys, so that they do what they think it's needed. That's why Im asking here. If Jacob agrees, the ones here can do so: pass those ones to the devs for them to decide, or leave it to us. What do you guys think about this? Would you agree on doing it?
Oh they did?
Good to know. I knew about that situation. Like a month or two ago, right? Didnt know they deleted directly
Just feels bad to delete an entire patch note without a second voice supporting you, and probably Ghost Ship guys second voice would make sense
sage tangle
Mhhh If it's a really really shitty translation which makes you think it's machine translated I'd delete it
If it is, be gone.
If not, it is so bad you thought it is
Which is bad enough to be deleted
I think I deleted 3 short translations so far which were utter nonsense. But I haven't seen much, I only proofread 3000 translations or so, so far
shell vine
iirc they did delete these. It was 4 months back (when they had to reapprove most of the crowdin strings), but I wasn't on the team yet
solid bough
We can remove the contributions, if it's just half-assed machine translations.
we just need to know
it's usually obvious, though
sage tangle
So it is okay for us to do so?
solid bough
Proofreaders are free to reject poor translations 😄
not sure if/how it works on Crowdin
shell vine
Change of subject entirely, I would like to know if a change in the way the stats for the weapons are written is possible?
I'll detail :
leaden sapphire
We do reject them, for sure, jacob. That's not the issue. We were talking about "deleting" them, so that they dont reach the counts for rewards if they do not deserve them.
sage tangle
@leaden sapphire
I think we two have the same demons, feeling a bit awkward to decide on our own for our whole country / language
leaden sapphire
@sage tangle kind of 😛
shell vine
On the warthog (for example), one of the stats is composed of a string for "weakpoint" and another for "stun chance", but we would need to inverse these to make a correct translation in french. Would it be even an option to make each stat there own?
sage tangle
Are there seriously people screwing the translation of a game they play, to get ONE gamekey?
I didn't even know there was a reward until I hit 9000 words
leaden sapphire
That's a good point, @shell vine . Let's see what we can have as an answer to that.
solid bough
We usually look at total translated, since some languages don't have a proof reader - but if someone has sprinted towards the milestone with machine translations, they should be deleted.
inverse them how @shell vine?
shell vine
just a sec, grabbing a screenshot
leaden sapphire
@solid bough ok, thanks. Will anyway prepare a small report every time I have to do so, with the important aspects about why it was deleted. In case you/the user requires it.
solid bough
I haven't experienced a lot of it, but Søren deleted one recently that you guys reported.
shell vine
the correct way to say it in french would be "chance d'étourdissement sur point faible"
solid bough
Not sure I follow? 
sage tangle
||Christ azerty do you translate the game more than playing it? No mods, no minerals ||
shell vine
Currently, we only have access to a string with "weakpoint" (first two words in the red bubble), and another one with "stun chance", them being general prevents us from giving an accurate translation
@sage tangle overclocks are expensive : (
sage tangle
You mean because they apply to other weapons as well, and here they're incorrect?
leaden sapphire
It's similar to the mission name issue, jacob. The two strings included in this single sentence are reversed compared to what we would need in our languages.
shell vine
@sage tangle exactly that
solid bough
ah, so it's comprised of several strings that's put together, making it impossible to translate properly, right?
short abyss
I want/have to translate but uni eats all my time 😔
solid bough
education is important 😄
solid bough
Well, that would be one thing that would be nice to have in order for you guys.
leaden sapphire
Except for those playing for a living...something I disagree with 😦 😦
shell vine
@solid bough absolutely, although this is not the only case, just the last one that I stumbled upon
solid bough
I assume it's the way it is right now so the terms can be reused, but it won't work in some languages.
sage tangle
@leaden sapphire
Not so sure about that. Dunno if you as Dev are able to stand your own game even if it's good in your free time
leaden sapphire
That makes sense, fakiyob.
sage tangle
You rarely see them play their own game outside working hours
leaden sapphire
Well, then if you come up with a solution, Jacob, let us know. Otherwise, we cant do much to make it look more polished
sage tangle
I keep wondering when they do the dev stream and don't fill the 4th player slot
"Guys we need player #4!"
"Heck no I'm not playing it again, even on stream, I have to code and make roadmaps all day long"
Or if they just don't want to spend the resource (work time)
leaden sapphire
Well, that's a gaming company's life 😛
short abyss
now im translating in class
leaden sapphire
One part of nice gameplay time, one part of "f*** not again..."
@short abyss 😂 😂 😂 😂 😂
sage tangle
@short abyss
||There are a few hundred strings translated on work, tram, and on the shitter||
Attention miners, "deep dive" inbound
Very fitting
shell vine
Thanks for listening to our little rants Jacob
(If it is not possible to change it, could you let us know so that we may try to make it better (small room for improvement left), if it can be changed, I'll wait before doing it)
short abyss
niice
shell vine
last patch note was translated at work, best three hours of my day
sage tangle
Though most I translated when I should be sleeping... Remember the one time when I started at 1 AM, 5 minutes later it was 3 o clock, 5 minutes later it was 5
And I only noticed because the Xmas lights went on automatically for the morning hours, on my balcony
@leaden sapphire
We both are the only ones for our language. The game is nearing 1.0 where a lot of people who avoid early access buy in.
Translate to the best of your knowledge, even if you think it's 'tyrant' to unapprove old strings.
If somebody new joins who wants to help, they can always vote on approved strings and get it changed by unapproving
I'm in 3 weeks and sought a lot of confirmation here, but the truth is, the DEVs don't speak your language. If you're not deciding, nobody is
leaden sapphire
I have no issues being "tyrant" on old strings. I do it a lot. I am sometimes tyrant with myself. Have deleted my own translations more than I can even think of.
My concerns were about deleting the suggestions from people, even if unapproved.
sage tangle
Currently I'm posting in German translation channel in more detail than on crowdin on some important decisions. If somebody joins and wonders looking at the strings he's welcome to give his opinion.
There are strings which I think
Yes, you did well, that's it.
And some are done good, but I'm not content with them even after rereading them.
leaden sapphire
Thats exactly your job, you are doing it right.
sage tangle
Bad decisions are better than none at all.
But I think everyone on this channel is highly motivated and does his best not to translate rubbish, so I'm more concerned about inactive translations than the ones writing here.
Look at the top contributors on french... It's intimidating
leaden sapphire
Yes, hehe. That's because it's people who really want to push the game forward, not just translate a few things and then leave Crowdin, telling their friends "I translated a game"
So all of those being concerned about giving their best and clarifying do deserve to be on top values.
And french team is probably one of the best examples. And now german 🙂
sage tangle
German "team"
||But thanks :)||
leaden sapphire
You got what I meant 😛
sage tangle
Also we're free workforce...
Enslaved by our gaming addiction fed by evil corporate Danish capitalists exploiting our need for more
short abyss
I wish I had a 2nd opinion 😔
shell vine
@leaden sapphire That's pretty much why I am helping on this, in France people don't learn english in a real sense (there are language courses in school, but almost nobody actually does the effort to the point they could enjoy a game). I want to make this game accessible to the most persons possible, and that goes by making sure the average french gamer can see the "french" checkmark on steam and actually understands enough of the game to really appreciate it.
sage tangle
@short abyss
Ask your friends playing the game.
leaden sapphire
Hahahaha if you say that too loud, you might miss your proofreading rights, fakiyob, be careful 😛
shell vine
(I mean, this game got to my 'most played' list top 1 in under 3 months...)
leaden sapphire
@shell vine completely understand that. I have been living in France and I do understand they sometimes speak english but not to an extent to enjoy it in a game. It happens the same with spanish. Although people speak it more and more, they still prefer translated games.
To be honest, I dont have a lot of time to play it. I play it more for QA than for enjoying it (I wish I could play it a bit more, though)
sage tangle
I mean for opinion, not that they should join crowdin
leaden sapphire
It's the same for me. Offered some people to play it, and none has done so.
Guess I will need to create a Twitter/Youtube channel to advertise it at some stage
sage tangle
If you scream for help in English on a French street, burning, they're gonna come and pour oil on you
leaden sapphire
Hahahahah pretty much. Not a single bar I went to when I was in Strasbourg where english could be understood
But that happens everywhere...mostly. And that's what we are here for.
sage tangle
All those russian and Chinese hackers are french via proxy, attacking those foreign tongue speaking devils not talking french on their internet
leaden sapphire
It's also called "internationalization" or "i18n". Which means not only translating, but transcreating and making it adapt to jokes, culture and other features from the referenced countries.
@sage tangle you are a true conspirationist, for what I can see 😛
Gotta go now guys, have a nice rest of the morning
shell vine
gtg eat, cya later
sage tangle
To make clear, I have no problems with French people and a lot on them on my friends list, o.o if that came wrong above
sage tangle
I asked this way back when I started.
Is there a creep name you translated, which is 'off' from the original?
shell vine
by creep, you mean mob ?
leaden sapphire
In my case there is not many in which I did a very "off the topic" translation. More like little tweaks (at least for the moment, still want to revisit bug names and see)
Like for example "exploder" would be "kamikaze" for us
Not exactly the same, but looking at what the bug does, it makes sense. Does that help you?
sage tangle
Why didn't you make a name out of explode but pick kamikaze? Genuine interest
Hoarder is horter
Warden ist Wächter
Slasher is schlitzer
Lootbug ist Beutekäfer.
The only thing I adjusted so far was bulk detonator, which earlier was named "Massensprenger" so Explorer of masses (massive amounts of material) which was really shitty. Now Riesensprenger (giant exploder, also exploder of giants)
But I'm still not happy with that
But I decided to rename beutekäfer to Beutelarve (lootlarvae instead of beetle) and every instance of beetle (bug) with it to insect.
leaden sapphire
If you are asking because of the bulk detonator, I think every language will tell you it's a difficult name to translate literally...because even in english it somehow "doesnt make sense". I think I translated it as "Detonator with lumps" or so
sage tangle
What about the others?
leaden sapphire
Let me have a quick look, hold on
sage tangle
Enemy names are one thing where I'd love to have a vote with German players
leaden sapphire
Hoarder = collector
Warden = Guardian
Slasher = Assassin
Lootbug = Loot Larvae
Be careful with asking too much, you might end up getting crazy and getting people angry because "your suggestion is crap, mine is better" hehe
sage tangle
Mhhhh
shell vine
For french, most are the same, here are the exceptions :
menace => tracker
Bulk => Monstrous detonator
spawn => kid (because no word for spawn)
sage tangle
What's a spawn? Mactera default?
shell vine
mactera spawn => mactera hunter
the green ones from nexuses
hoarder => thief (not really but this time english is lacking a precise enough word for "chapardeur")
sage tangle
That's useful, thanks
half bloom
sage tangle
Proofreading is a pain in t he ass.
wicked scroll
yeah
sage tangle
Well at least I got the cave leeches and lootbugs better names along with some mutators
Can't have mutators longer than the mission names
shell vine
Why not? It's ok if they overlap, no ? ; )
sage tangle
I hate that do many translations don't use compound words
If you don't use it, it's not german
It's not a garden that kinders, it's a damn kindergarten
shell vine
#itsnotgermanifitsnotmadeofcompoundwords ?
sage tangle
I'm not talking made up words (which would make sense) like Oberhandelsregistermitgliederauflistungsauszug
shell vine
#Istillcantreadawordofgerman
sage tangle
I'm talking real used words, haunted cave was
Heimgesuchte Höhle
Instead of just
Geisterhöhle
Like it was bat infested cave
Instead of
Batcave
(just example)
shell vine
Beware ! Random copyright attacks
sage tangle
The tip of the iceberg was hollow point bullet
Hohl punkt Kugeln
The real and existing word for it is
Hohlspitzgeschoss
They translated it Hohl punkt Kugeln
Hollow dot balls
First big and small writing is off. If you would write it that way, every word must be big because it's a noun.
Second this MUST be a compound word even if you don't know the right word
So it is wrong on 3 or even 4 levels
I mean if you don't know the official name because you don't know ballistics okay, fair.
But then at least have the decency to just stick to German basic word building.
I mean it's not even grammar, it's before grammar. How to build German words
Sorry, lacking German translators I need to rant somewhere:3
So now lootbugs are called lootlarvae and not lootbeetles.
Caveleeches are caveleeches not cavelimpets
And I'm halfway through all instances of 'bug' being beetle and substituting it with
Insect for neutral, and vermin if used in an insult. (Stupid bug)
Because cursing with the German 'insect' would be like insulting a person in the heat of an argument
Bad person
It's too descriptive in German
shell vine
I have to go to bed, good night
(Don't stay up too late proofreading ; )
sage tangle
Thank god (sadly?) Proof reading is not as addicting
Except when you catch a term you need to fix in many strings like bug
After the horror of hoxxes update you can't curse everything as a beetle
wicked scroll
proof reading is different yeah
after the first pass, it is more up to the players to catch small mistakes
slim verge
To be honest, Mist and I were kinda burned out after a long run of translation (we came up from 20-30% more or less to 100% in 3 weeks IIRC ?) and without newcomers, it would taken us a LOT longer to get to the point we are now.
Don't hesitate to gather people to help you with that if you can. It's always good to check on discord if someone's willing to help.
sage tangle
Jeh let's hope experimental release gets translation included so I can check those machine events and deep dives and stuff translated
Terminals should be fine, day to day text (MC and stuff) coming
sage tangle
I asked Jacob about it. 
User @gentle magnet posted this in #bug-discussion
I looked it up on English translation and saw it is fixed there since a year.
Is English crowdin not Implemented to be patched like other languages?
(also I just realised I can approve English strings?)
fresh wharf
it can be just old strings - devs duplicate strings time to time and not remove those which aren't in use now
sage tangle
Also Christ, how long are @Ser Pounce#2914 and @wicked scroll active for their count?
So where to fix that typo then?
fresh wharf
dunno, mb in jira if you have active account there
sage tangle
Isn't the crowdin English version up for exactly that? 🤔
fresh wharf
nah it's more for trolls who want to get key for doing nothing
I remember @vale geode was very helpful in the past
mb he knows
latent wadi
it's also helpful to proofread the game itself, as it is developed by Danish people, remember. everybody makes mistakes.
But as SplitSentro said, a handful of ill intended individuals tries to exploit this by just copy-pasting the text (no translation needed) as a way to increase their stats on Crowdin
@fresh wharf @sage tangle
sage tangle
Yeh that's why I asked Jacob to pretty pls make sure the current translations get into the experimental build so I see what I did in-game before it goes live. I worked precise but still I'm only one guy :3
latent wadi
we all have this issue ^^
at least, translating the wiki is easy because you can see a preview of your edits, but in the game, it's trial and error, over a very long time period
sage tangle
But I'm more insistent. And cuter
Jocop gib roodmop translation update pls
If you have that problem all the time, you should ask for language-betas 🤔
I'm just interested in it "one time" because everything since August is new, and a lot of old stuff changed and I haven't even started yet
latent wadi
might be too much to ask for though
sage tangle
Well, if you don't ask you never know
latent wadi
that is true.
sage tangle
Basically it's just me being insecure, having my first time
latent wadi
i f*cked up the victory mission result message in french since last update...
Mistakes can happen
sage tangle
How so?
latent wadi
(i just hope the next update comes quick though 😓 )
"-----Mission Results------" in french looks like
"----- Resultats de
la mission------"
latent wadi
not for self : no more than 32 characters in the victory screen
but yeah, we had no way to know the length was this limited
until we tried it
sage tangle
Just looking the string up, I translated it ...
----- MISSIONSSTATUS -----
Compound words for the win
shell vine
Only because it was too long with them ; )
sage tangle
Maybe comment such things on the strings. The exact number I mean
latent wadi
yeah...
shell vine
<@&296918282403840000>
frozen inlet
shell vine
thx
sage tangle
Tell me more stuff to be aware lest I break the game
Also, how did you notice that if was you making the game crash with a too long string?
latent wadi
You should ask Mist and Ser Pounce on the matter
sage tangle
1 Slot free for EDD anyone wanna join?
shell vine
not now, maybe later
slim verge
Okay, we need to know.
@solid bough is the string "...I have definantly NOT had enough!" a mistake or is it voluntary ? There's like a debate on Crowdin about that and for translation purpose, we need to know 😛
solid bough
spelling error, I believe
slim verge
Can still be a mistake if the strings has been C/C
shell vine
not going to annoy him in the evening on a weekend
slim verge
oh no, wer're not. And he's free to answer whenever he wants anyway.
It's not an urgent matter either.
tbh, I was not expecting an answer in this evening :v
shell vine
I'm kinda reluctant to ping him out of office hours
slim verge
Fair enough
solid bough
I'll use it as leverage at the next salary negotiation 😂
shell vine
slim verge
give him a raise 😄
solid bough
I think it's safe to say that definantly is a spelling error on our behalf. What are the other applications of it?
slim verge
Only that I think
shell vine
Same, voice when drunk
slim verge
it's just the same drunk line 3 times without changes of some sort
shell vine
I'd need to hear it to know for sure
solid bough
sounds like how someone Danish would pronounce it with an accent - either way, if it's just a drunken slur, it shouldn't be translated, I think.
wait, I meant it shouldn't be spelled wrong in the subs.
shell vine
Too bad, I though it was a nice touch
slim verge
see it the other way around : it's less harmonization work :p
shell vine
The work's already done, now I have to go at it again 😦
slim verge
nah
I've done it already.
it's not useful making multiple translation for something that already exists. It just adds clutter.
sage tangle
Am I missing something? What is off about that line?
shell vine
definANtely (definitely without the typo)
sage tangle
Ahh i See.
sage tangle
Going over the mission types (pointextraction) and Biome names, german radioactive zone and sandblasted just sound off.
Am I right with my interpretation:
Sandblasted Corridors means more like: Cavecorridors, ravaged by natural sandstorms, right?
Because in german, the correct lit. translation Sandgestrahlte Korridore means somebody went through corridors of a big house and sandblasted them with a professional machine to abrase its surface
shell vine
your interpretation is good (also, I am now concerned with the mental state of whomever did that first literal translation...)
sage tangle
because the current, lit. correct translation (and only translation because there are no better words for those), sounds off ... like a technican went through
shell vine
I'm currently imagining the poor dude asked to sandblast the corridors of Hoxxes...
latent wadi
especially because sandblasting sandstone will make... more sand
sage tangle
Eroded Sandstonecaves?
Just Sandstonecaves?
Asked my german mates, they agreed on my critique, in german it means somebody took a tool to sandblast f.i. colour off a fence
sage tangle
I mean sandblasted is the 'heres lots of wind coming down on you'
Sandstormcaves?
shell vine
Yeah, that could work.
You could try something like "beaten by the sand" as well, if that works in german...
sage tangle
Yeah thats what Im looking for, but the only thing which springs to mind is
'Canion' or Eroded
shell vine
How about "sand marked"
sage tangle
Eroded Sandstonecaves?
Sandstormcave?
Sandravaged caves (Sandgeschundene Höhlen)
sage tangle
yup
solid bough
höhlen 😂
sage tangle
What?
Jacobs a funny guy, just throwing in laughing emojis.
What's funny about caves (Höhlen)?
You laughed at my cannoli already
solid bough
It's just a funny word for a Dane, I think.
sage tangle
🤔
leaden sapphire
I used "eroded passages" just for the same reasons you explained. Seemed like adequate to me
@sage tangle
sage tangle
It's so interesting that our languages have the same problems
Sadly in not farther than sandsturmhöhle
Sandstormcave
slim verge
Well, with all the migration through the ages, even if the cultural language are very different, most of them still share some basis.
latent wadi
mostly Latin and Saxon in Europe 😉
Spanish, Italian, French : Latin
German, Dutch, ... : Saxon
slim verge
Germanic language also is a big part of Europe
slim verge
Who can give rights, related to the language-specific translation channels ?
fresh wharf
devs&mods
slim verge
Thanks
solid bough
latent wadi
hey Jacob, Ser Pounce cannot pin messages in #french-drg... while everyone else can. "Would you happen to know anything about it?"
or maybe is it related to the two-factor authentication?
latent wadi
thank you for the answer 😉
slim verge
Well, thank you for the answer (and thank you @latent wadi for asking in my stead xD)
solid bough
@shell vine The issue with weak point should be fixed in the next update - it's now a whole string. there might be some left or other strings that need changing.
shell vine
Thank you very much for that, it should make our lives way easier, I'll try to get a list of strings with the same problem. Thanks again @solid bough
latent wadi
wow thanks Jacob !!
leaden sapphire
Thanks for that. Good way to overcome further issues with it
shell vine
So, here are all the compound strings I could find in the stats, I might have missed some
Combined / Clip size - zhukovs
Combined / Rate of fire - zhukovs
Front AoE shock wave / Damage - boomstick
Stun / Chance - boomstick
Stun / Duration - boomstick
Charged / Damage - EPC
Charged / Area damage - EPC
Charged / Effect radius - EPC
Charged / Shot ammo use - EPC