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The end of Deep dives that give you a boatload of nitra. It's really fun to murder Mactera with it.
Since I've been leveling my driller lately and my wife has been playing engi, I often toast her platforms from below to troll her a bit
can confirm they melt
I don't solo often so maybe I missed when they made the change, but Bosco nowhere builds the entire pipeline when you point at it. Thank you dwarfelopers for a pretty awesome quality of life improvement.
Is it possible to join a game wearing the medical gown?
do you just join or?
I think when I tried it it just gave me class select with no gowns
anyone else getting framerate lag in the new update and getting their settings reset
The best thing I can say to do is have have your graphics on performance lol
For me it's waaay worse on fidelity
same I've always really played on performance since I have the original version of the Xbox one
Saaame
I'm not having much stutter anywhere other than dirt walls though
I kinda just get it whenever but sometimes I don't get it at all but it could also be host connection affecting how often it happens
since I kinda hop around servers either helping or getting my assignments done
Deep Rock broke for me after the new update. Couldn’t get through the loading screen without crashing. It randomly started working after the 5th attempt though.
If you failed a mission and woke up in the medbay with a gown on you, then start another mission and your be gown wearing.
I ALWAYS have to reset my voice chat settings
And settings were reset to default first time in
mindmelt
If you don’t go back to the wardrobe before going into the mission then yes you will still have the gown on
Adding to this
Possibly
By having class select when you join a mission
That makes you remove the gown
Yea that's what I was thinking about
Not sure if it's possible to go through the class select screen with the gown on
Maybe when rejoining a game
Really to remove a gown just interact with the class or cosmetics
I was today years old when I found out that if you are walking backwards and press the sprint button you do a 180 turn... mind=blown
It's a relatively recent addition. It got added with, or shortly before, Season 1 (if I remember correctly), so if you've been playing for a while you would have been used to that keybinding doing nothing prior to its introduction
That would explain it, lol, been playing since launch on xbox
WOW I didn’t realize developer kits were so expensive from Microsoft
Nice Microsoft at least gives 2 dev kits for free
Reeeeee Steam boy on our turf reeeeeeeeee
I’m starting up an elite deep dive if anyone wants to join me
Dora the explorer tactic: Steamer no Steaming
But I thought we wanted them to go back to Steaming?
Look at the bright side even steam DRG using dx11 is broken as well
It’s sad when a game isn’t optimized that well even using a beefy computer
Of course my computer is no where near beefy as it should be
i hope they fix these windows crashes soon i cant do a mission without the game crashing to my desktop
@spare pecan Crispa is meta now with these robots, I use Face Melts with Triple Filters and patrol bots die so fast
I also noticed that before the update, if you bought a buff bear, more drinks will spawn in of more players join, but now That's not happening
man i need text chat fixed on xbox, so annoying in certain missions
Just hit my first class as Gold promotion, Scout. Driller is Silver 3, Gunner Silver 2, Engi Bronze 2
You can still use text chat with controller @vestal breach
Double press Right Stick
well, first of all how did i not know that after playing so much drg
but two, that doesn't work unfortunately the text input appears then immediately disappears again
It works, what happens is if you try and use the Keyboard, it breaks it till game instance resets such as disbanding drop pod or finishing a mission @vestal breach
But if you only use controller, it'll work fine
Just don't press Keyboard chat key
Ah ok cheers
Obviously it's a bit awkward if you play mouse and keyboard and have to double press a controller button but it's the only solution right now
Is there even an Update from the devs themselves about the sorry ass state the game is in rn regarding a hotfix/Patch?
Need 2 for elite deep dive. My friend is somewhere doing something so idk when he’ll be on but I’m gonna spam call him
Any word on the release date of the Xbox Series X update?
Which one, you mean a patch?
I haven’t encountered any problems since the first day. Wasn’t letting me even get into the game but then it randomly started working.
Only issue I had was when Xbox was going nuts and wouldn’t let me play
Or forced me out of Drg
sneeze
fart
They are going to optimize for Series X/S soon, just don't know how soon
Oh no clue
nah i use a controller i just have a keyboard plugged in for chat
not that many use it for this version of the game
I use it on both steam and Microsoft version
You back already after moving to steam?
you might but in my experience there aren't many others that do lol
I’m still on steam. I like to invade this channel lol
Begone traitor!
You were supposed to destroy those Steamers, not join them!
Clearly, you don't own an air fryer 😏
I own an air fryer and it’s great
Air fryers suck, I prefer a toaster oven.
That feature just got added with Season 2 so you wouldn't have noticed it!
You're a toaster oven
And you’re a rat, a dirty stinking disease spreading RAT.
Hello there!
REPEAT THAT 
Ye oversized bug 
Your wish is not my command
it should be a cosmetic though
anyone know when crossplay will be fixed, game keeps crashing and i want to rock and stone with friends
They got a patch out on PlayStation today so they can perhaps focus a bit more on Xbox now, but they have a 3-day weekend, so I wouldn't expect any patches here until next week at the earliest (unless the 3-day weekend starts on Saturday and they can get out a patch tomorrow...)
I know you can't set a custom server name on xbox, but can you download on PC, set it, then it still apply when you use xbox?
I just realized that I have none of the achievements for nobody dying or ordering any resupplies. I always order resupplies if my team has the nitra lol.
I suspect the answer is no, but I can't test it
The answer is no I tested it out
SNIFF Do I smell a Steamer?
...no...?
Ping from a unknown person, usually a bad sign.
I have it on both but my friends group has one person that's only on Xbox so that's where I play
You’re fired
unfortunate
I'm mostly here cause I was hoping to see when that crash on join bug gets fixed
one in my group has it and it's killing the new update festivities hard 😦
sneeze
The join crash will get fixed in season 4 lol
Kek
rip DRG Miner Grimm
Deep dive said I had a death but I never died lol
Does it count you as dead if your team does enough damage to you in the drop pod? I seriously can’t remember dying.
I got stuck in my terrain scanner menu right before the last dreadnaught on the DD and could not move so i had to ask my team to down me and that fixed it thankfully
i'm only missing the haz 5 one
got 7 achievements left but i'll probably never get them all because of the 100 solo missions one
i don't even have the one 10 solo missions lol
I heard you can set a solo mission without launching it, then join one from the server list and it counts towards solo achievements
Anyone down to play?
I used to disconnect to a lot of games, like at least half of them if not more. Since playing the windows store version on my PC haven't had a single issue. Something in the Xbox net code going fucky
Has Haunted modifier been removed? Not seen it once since I came back after a year of not playing
No
All I see is Rival Presence and sometimes others, but never Haunted
I played haunted yesterday so no it’s not removed
I saw two haunted presence missions in Fungus Bogs in my game yesterday
I was actually reading on Reddit the other day that it seems to be patched now. Probably with season 2.
I do wish that missions set to friends only or public that no one joined would count towards the solo achievement. It's rare but nice if no one joins to get credit for it.
Honestly this update ranks up there with them shipping out the wrong build to Microsoft and won’t open
The whole point of DRG is co-op instead of solo for the best experience and I can’t have the best experience when I join multiplayer and game crashes almost instantly
Even on steam the experience is less then stellar
Switching to the new engine should of waited tbh
Oh yeah I forgot this update involved an engine update. To be honest that makes me feel much more lenient on all these bugginess of some of the stuff. I'm sure there's a crap ton of under the hood stuff that just needs patching with an engine update. If this were just a normal update I'd probably be like, "Yo! You guys gotta play test more" but I figure something that intensive has to have its share of issues inherently. I'm sure they'll get it worked out, not to say it doesn't suck for those affected.
🙉
I cant even play solo. It just crashes before i leave spawn room on space rig
Honestly I wish they would do more QA testing when engine gets upgraded
I’m sure people including myself would do QA testing. Just look at minecrafts new betas aka preview app
No one in the history of software development has ever caught every bug before the software was release. You can spend 100x more time and money on QA testing than you did, and you will still have people finding bugs. At some point, the only way to find bugs is to release it to the public, because the only way to fully test the software is to fully use it as it's intended
Then people complain about game breaking bugs that almost never get fixed for example gta online god mode
You kinda just proved my point though: if the large, experienced team at Rockstar -- with all of their money and resources -- can't manage to catch every bug in the most financially successful game of all time, how do you expect anyone else to be able to do it?
What I was saying in that paragraph was the community can find the bugs but it’s the developers intent to fix it or not. That god mode bug has been in the game since launch of nightclub DLC
If rockstar can’t patch that bug in a timely amount. How long will it take GSG to fix multiplayer bug
Let’s try to keep typing down to a minimum since I’m ebiking right now lol
Some bugs are harder to find and fix than others. I can't say how bad either of these bugs are, or how they compare, but GTA is a large, open-world game supporting a bunch of players at once, and as such is much more complicated a piece of software than DRG. But even that is only a part of the equation. All I can say for sure is GSG has proven themselves dedicated and capable; I'm sure they'll get things right as quickly as they can
Be safe out there
I'm dying right now, did, did you just try and win a debate by telling everyone not to type as much because you're ebiking? 😂😂 You're amazing.
Nibbles never ceases to amaze and delight
In California there’s no law about texting and ebiking only texting and talking while driving. I have the common sense to not type while ebiking just talk on speakerphone while ebiking lol
Heck in California you can run a red light and stop sign and cops don’t care as long as you r on an ebike lol
I’m only here to make entertainment for the server lol
What would make people a lot more happier is if they tweeted saying we are aware some players are crashing while joining games and are looking into it. That would make people a lot more understanding and not be so mad like me and a lot of other people on Twitter saying game crashes a lot.
Rockstar has reached to a point in the game where they simply don’t care about the game. There’s bugs even older than the god mode one that have yet to be fixed (like the shortcut bugs in the original Heists update). GSG from my experience actually takes these bug reports, hunts the bugs down and fixes them in either one big patch or as a small patch.
Rockstar is so dumb they are leaving money on the table and at least GSG puts money in their pockets by releasing DLC that looks nice
GTA 5/Online has already made way more money than any other single piece of entertainment media. I'm not sure there's much money they could make that they're not already making
And they know it, and so they're complacent
Let me in rockstar games I’ll whip them back into shape aka more money for ceo and workers if they meet a goal
They could meet the goal with red dead online alone lol
Oh my sweet summer nibbles...
Off topic but can you hijack an ebike on GTA 5?
First I’d do something only a small business would do to motivate workers I’d take a pay cut and give more to workers
Ebikes don’t exist on GTA 5
Only electric cars online and I think about only 3 or 4 are in online
I think rockstar messed up with cayo perico heist since that release I think a lot less people are buying shark cards. Maybe DRG needs some bug cards aka bingo bug cards lol
when nemesis doesnt spawn right on your head its not that bad
engineer you good
He goin
When your friend says he'll be right back
When mission control goes to the grocery store for some milk.
And never comes back
the devs ego got shattered after losing that reg dive last week i see /s
Sorry, they never implemented it in a previous update, they replaced it with the oppressor.
Which MK version 1 or 2
That one
I've just started playing this and it's a lot of fun. Is there anything I should be aiming for from the off? Should I focus on milestones to get perks? Should I get all characters to a certain level or anything like that?
Both tbh
I recommend focusing on leveling up characters so you can unlock weapons and more perk slots. This is not to say neglect perks or anything, but perk points will come with doing assignments pretty naturally as you'll get sent to all kinds of different things anyway.
Rather, I'd look up recommendations on the most useful perks and focus my unlocking efforts with the perk points that build up just by playing (without worrying about chasing them)
Thanks both. Sounds like generally I just need to keep playing and levelling up and sounds like perks will just happen naturally too.
Need 2 for Elite Deep Dive
Amen
What’s everybody’s favorite new secondary? I like the microwave gun and the shard gun, I thought I was going to like the coil gun and cross bow a lot more!
I like shard differactor the most
It’s pretty powerful. It was the one I was least excited about but holy cow, it is strong.
Only one I unlocked so far is the crossbow and I like it.
Shard differactor go BZZZZT
The crossbow is nice for keeping pressure off your group
Everyone always bullies scouts, so I want to see my team panic
#ScoutsAreImportantToo
i havent played much cause i want to play with friends but my game still crashes when i try
Scouts, we must rise up and defeat the bullies of the DRG company for looking down upon us.
Counterpoint: with the crossbow, the bullying on you gets transformed into the bugs bullying each other, which makes for a nice show for you to take a break to watch, laugh, and point at
Gotta love that loadout with beastmaster, pheronades and pherobolts.
I'll be honest, I unlocked every new secondary day one of the release, but haven't even tried them. Just been waiting until I get more overclocks.
I’ll be honest I just stopped playing DRG even on steam
xbow feels clunky so far
game crashing all the time on microsoft build and no friends on steam had me stop playing DRG
I know cave generation is different on steam than xbox so not sure if this applies to everyone, but some of the new Season 2 cave generation, while really cool, has made playing missions without a driller a real pain. Noticed on hollow bough huge chunks of red tree blocking whole hallways and just taking forever to dig through. Also crystalline caverns, they just ramped up all those white slanted crystals and it makes stuff like finding fossils and navigating kind of a pain. It's visually cool and definitely interesting, but it does make certain missions a little more of a slog if you aren't running with a driller.
GAME IS STILL CRASHING TRYING TO JOIN FRIENDS ON PC WINDOWS. CAN WE HAVE SOME SORT OF ACKNOWLEDGEMENT FOR THIS ISSUE PLEASE? Or is this just gonna be bs from now on?
i feel you on crashing while joining so i started to play on steam and having no friends play DRG on steam that much or at all, i just stopped playing DRG and moved on since no devs have said anything about looking into the issues, if dev just send out a tweet saying we are looking into it im 99% sure people would say thanks for tweeting that
honestly if you have other games to play them until its fixed
also if you dont have other games theres some good games out there that are free to play
Why doesn't text chat work on console anymore? before the season2 update I had zero issues, but since if I try to use a keyboard to type it bugs out and closes the interface immediately
It's not even just when using a keyboard, it's when attempting to open text chat at all on console
im over level 1,300 and i have an RTX 3080 ti and an AMD 5900x so clam down you noob greenbeard
Wasn’t talking to you, obviously
Not even a 3090 kekwew
Over level 1300 as if that’s something to brag about. That’s minimum 2000 hours
anything over a 3090 is just stupid
3090 is overkill
you might wanna use the reply feature on discord so people know which one you are talking to
That would’ve been the smart thing to do
But if a guy’s name is 3080 TI OWNER, who’s gonna take every opportunity he gets to flex his rig, then i think it’s a safe assumption that I wasn’t talking about you
that could be true if that person aka me could understand who you were talking to since my brain could not understand if it was me since its a little like a jigsaw puzzle up in my brain aka wired brain differently then most people
also to make sure this doesnt happen again and since GPU shortage is just about over im thinking of changing my name again lol
Weird I haven't had a single crash or DC playing Windows store version on my modest peasants rig
Ngl, one of my favorite things quickly became using pheromone bolts on Loot Bugs and in swarms, definitely stupid fun. The wave cooker is also hilariously powerful and some clutch utilities
Try the game crashing with multiplayer on PC and Xbox
Yep, haven't played a single solo game yet, so joined about 20 MP games - with machine events, boss fights etc. No issue
It’s the ghosts in the machines lol I, Robot
There have always been ghosts in the machine. Random segments of code, that have grouped together to form unexpected protocols. Unanticipated, these free radicals engender questions of free will, creativity, and even the nature of what we might call the soul.
anyone transfered save files from steam to gamepass recently?
it seems that the files fr xbox keeps overwriting itself to the original when i try to move my steam files over
Anybody want to hope into a deep dive
You have to name the file exactly the same and delete the old save
I just spent 45 mins in a morkite mission.
Was rival presence and I got 3 Nemesis’s, two bulks, two dreads, and a bunch of swarms on top of that.
anyone wanna play
It would be cool to get discord rich presence to post invite link just like steam version for Microsoft build
i did, removed the .sav and evrything
the file just keeps getting overriten when i launch the game
Is there any plans to bring more achievements to the Xbox version of the game?
Hey I've been consistently having the joining forever issue on pc since I had a crash
Anyone know what a fix for this is? I already set my time stuff automatically but still no luck even with port forwarding
Have you checked to make sure there wasn’t a new windows update or DRG patch
Cause that’d do it
Even if it’s set to automatic, check anyway.
Has anybody else encountered the bug where calling down a hack pod onto a PDD doesn't have one spawn and as such you cant do the mini-event?
PDD?
Prospector Data Deposit
I've personally never encountered them just not showing up, but definitely encountered them being stuck up extremely high where there really isn't terrain.
😳
its not my picture so i dont know
Hola
My guess the battle lasted all of 20 seconds...and then the mission failure screen.
Yeah I had everything updated. I honestly just switched saves from xbox drg to steam and now I just play on there 😂
I'm so conflicted with Season 2. I wasn't able to play this weekend while out of town, so I get back late and decide to do my absolute favorite thing:
Look for refining missions without driller and come in as one to help them complete. It bring me so much joy, especially when it's Greenbeards who have no idea how to get to certain pumpjacks. A couple missions in and a prospector pops up, then a nemesis appears almost immediately after starting the fight. The rivals just kind of leach my enjoyment out of the game. I stayed to finish the mission but decided to just go to bed after. The one thing that salvaged the night was getting to buy some Greenbeards flintlock delights and seeing their reaction. I cannot wait for Season 3 to get here; I'm legitimately excited to see what direction they go after rivals!
I hope we get to fight orcs or gnomes or something. Maybe gnomes are behind the machines, they’re advanced and kinda scuffed at the same time so they might be…
I wanna fight Elves or a dwarves arch-nemesis: ratkin.
As long as robots are gone it be great
Actually some goddamn fuckin work :')
I'm not hating the Nemesis fight..but by Karls beard..the phase bomb spam after it dies..reeeeeally..
Thanks. We didn’t actually win the mission though lol. Almost had the required amount then another dread spawned and then some rivals. The room we were in was awful, just a massive shaft with ledges on the side, so the only person who could actually navigate it quickly was scout. We didn’t have a driller either.
Was just about to say it would've been ez with a competitive driller
Lmao
Have they said anything yet about looking into crashes or has GSG gone the route of rockstar and not communicate about the game
Right now I think the game should be called something else so instead of deep rock galactic I’m going to be calling it deep dish pizza
I was engi and we had two scouts and an open slot
One scout had explosive minelets but I was doing the majority of the damage until I ran out of ammo because we never got a break
We managed to get a resupply but then the second dread spawned before we had 80 nitra again
Explo dets on zuk are a must at haz4 imo for some quick damage
But well
2 scouts
Really givin me the heebee jeebee's over here
It was also a haz 5 mission btw lol

I like bug swarms but so end up losing a lot of missions because of my haz 5 obsession
At some point anything under haz4 gets boring
And you only switch to haz1 or 2 for some quick weekly assignments
Swarms are Problems that literally solve themselves in my sludge puddles
Last time I ran sludge pump was so long ago
I have fun with it I just don’t run driller much anymore
My cyro/temp shock build shreds swarms and flamer is what I run for rivals
Lemme guess: fat boy

I run pgl a lot but mostly with pack rat and explosive jump overclocks
Running it with the fire mod can really clear waves
Most of the time it's lwc bc cuz i Already have a grenade launcher with turret whips
Fat boy too
Yeah, but fat boy has no ammo
Hyper propellant is also really good
I always run that for dreads
Gotta blow your load when it matters
Pgl overall has good overclocks
With this it's just a railgun
Yeah but there are so many bugs eventually you’ll be spent
Forgot about managements drugs
The real reason management sends us down to Hoxxes is because the minerals can actually be made into highly addictive drugs
And mission control is a cocaine addict
I always thought He runs a jewelry scam with actually cheap Made but horribly overpriced morkite rings, necklaces etc
We know morkite is basically fuel but what do the other minerals even do?
Besides being pretty lol

Gold is currency
Phazyonite is worth way more than gold too
Fancy pants mimral™
Also management pays us so we can give our money back to them
They trick us into thinking we are making bank
But then they get it back when we make purchases
I mean you most of the time have to pay for your own Equipment too if your are a construction worker
And even then, any balanced or unstable oc's we use are Kind of illegal mods to our guns
But the only thing we are able to purchase is what management sells us
We are literally held captive on the space rig too
Overclocks are "found"?
Management made machine events on purpose
There is just no ship to take you anywhere else
Which is why im even more confused about stuff like... Food, medical supplies etc
Like alone All the fucking beer for the abyss Bar
By Karl
The BEER
Where does it come from ffs
I bet 20 bucks the patch that came out today for steam and later for Xbox will do nothing to fix multiplayer crashing
i didnt see anything fixing keyboards not working on xbox either
https://ghostshipgames.atlassian.net/browse/DRG-5661
I just checked the JIRA page for the keyboard issue and it does state resolved. Keep in mind that the patch comes out to Steam first so perhaps it's not mentioning something consol specific in the notes, or they forgot to note it, or maybe it's not in this upcoming patch. Hopefully this means it's getting fixed soon - it being marked resolved has to be good.
sneeze
ah thats awesome. I wonder how soon Xbox will get the patch.
Big Updates usually take a week but ive seen hot fixes/patches be published and pushed out same day
im still seeing joining friends crashing as open
also this is no longer true since microsoft allows mods on windows store and xbox, Because of the ecosystem of microsoft, modding is currently not supported on the windows store/xbox version of the game.
As of now it is only supported on the steam version of the game.
what i find sad is that farming sim 22 has mod support but not alot of mods are available on xbox only a few
We are all just slaves captured by DRG (If that really is their real name) from a primitive planet for our determination, strength, and our senses which are accustomed to dark and claustrophobic places. Management wipes our memories, besides our basic survival instincts, and sends us down to Hoxxes tricking us into believing that we’ll be rewarded. If we manage to survive the hostilities, management gifts is with probably fake credits that can be used to buy items that management sells to us, which in the end only benefit them. Ranks and cosmetics cause green beards to be jealous and can easily burst a dwarf’s short temper, causing them to work harder. Only the longest surviving dwarfs get overclocks from managements clearly purposeful machine events and that ensures that the most skilled get the best gear, playing right into managements hands.
That’s my take on this mining operations
Gonna read that later, takin a massive dump rn
Just incase, it is a bug disallowing me to use my keyboard to type in game right and not a problem with the Xbox?
That is correct. GSG added the feature to be able to use a virtual keyboard on xbox, but I believe that somehow is conflicting with those utilizing a physical keyboard. Unintentional bug, and their bug page says they resolved it, but I have no idea if that fix was included in the upcoming patch or not.
Yeah this is how those old company-owned mining towns worked. It's why the currency rewards in the seasonal event are called scrip, straight up references to that kind of history. The kind of exploitation miners have engaged in violent uprisings against >:)
@shadow veldt sadly, no the most recent patch did not fix it
Are you saying that that we should overthrow management!
I like it
Legolas is cooler
Should be the upcoming patch, notes just got released today for steam so we probably don't have the update yet.
heck yea rock n stone
Get out of here leaf lover
I’d like to see Legolas block pure dwarf steel with his feeble body
I’d like to see a playable DRG
I'd like to see Driller's axes be pick-up-able by anyone, so anyone can recover one and immediately use it. Unless you're a Driller, you could only hold the one axe in your hands, and if you switch weapons you drop it. Pressing attack would throw it the way the Driller throws it. So many times I've run past an are that missed its target in a swarm, and wished I could just scoop it up and put it to good use...
I just had a mission where I was missing 3 mini mules legs, took a clip but forgot to screenshot the seed lol.. I was missing one to build and there's supposed to be 4 per mule. Both were scanned
screenshot esc menu
Yea I realized after aborting that I hadn't screenshot
asking here because my question drowned in drg-chat
has anybody seen phazyonite spawns in different rooms from each other? Every time I've seen phazyonite in a mission it's in 1 room and nowhere else
I wish you could ping the axe to tell the driller that there's one laying around
you can ping it but it just says default voicelines
oh I thought it was just pinging the dirt underneath
Yes, I have encountered Phazyonite in different parts of a map. I played about 30ish missions before encountering it but RNG has since evened out closer to what others experienced.
Man this season two update is amazing absolutely having a blast playing with my girlfriend! Anyone else loving it this much so far?
this update ruined the game for me
Sorry to hear that, which part of it ruined the game for you?
multiplayer game crash on microsoft version and steam is unplayable with stutters
I play on Xbox so I’ve always had crashing issues so it’s not new to me but damn that sucks
i have series x and before season 2 update, it worked fine and season 2 came out and crashes when ever i join games
even computer crashes DRG
the only way to play DRG with friends is to stream it from cloud but the input delay is bad
Wow my old xbox one s seems more reliable. Just curious do you have an Ethernet connection?
yes hardwired in
I’m baffled I wonder what the issue is, is it the series X console causing issues? Kinda makes me afraid to upgrade I was planning to in a month or so
the devs upgraded the engine but didnt get to testing it out fully
unreal game engine is now 4.27.2
Updated Unreal engine version to 4.27.2
We’ll drg is my favorite game and the one I play most so I might wait to upgrade till closer to season 3 thanks for the heads up
all other games i play work fine on my series x but DRG wont work until they fix bugs in networking code
I ain't got time or patience to babysit Drillers and their wayward equipment
well back to playing Dyson Sphere Program
I forged the beards, but I don't see them to "buy" or to use.
They are in your wardrobe
If you forged any cosmetics go to the wardrobe and equip them
You kow, they should be universal 😛
Well they aren’t
Yah, I noticed 😛
Plus it says in your forge history, next to the item “scout”
But yes I do agree it can feel bloated to some.
Anybody know how to beer cancel?
Yes, accuse the beer of not following the popular trend on twitter.
I said beer cancel, not cancel beer. Nerd.
I’m a scout supremacist, I’m not allowed on Twitter anyway.
Q on keyboard don't think you can on controller
So the previous weapon key Thanks!
I put Q on my laser pointer
You don’t get a buff if you try this. Just a quick FYI if anyone tries that.
Still happening for me. Heard anything?
nope nothing not even a tweet to say they are looking into it
The only thing I know of it that it's on the JIRA for bug reports more than once .... didn't really check back to see if there was anything further besides their existence tho
Everyone that’s having multiplayer crashing I recommend playing a different game or just play rogue company until it’s fixed and going by last time engine was upgraded it might take roughly 2-3 weeks or longer
Rogue company is still balls tho
Why wouldn't everyone with multiplayer issues just play deep rock together until they're allowed to play with the rest of us? Unionize!
Do you are have stoopid?
Do you are know sarcasm? 
Do you even brain bruh
How does one
Smort stout
No he's right, I'm actually pretty dumb.
Driller brains unite 
Shut up I’m trying to sleep!
Turn off notifications maybe
new patch out on xbox yet?
Doesn't seem to be out yet on windows game pass 😦
Well the bright side is I can either wait until season 3 to get stuff from season 2 or just do some file messing around to give me the stuff instantly since I can’t play DRG
anyone down for deep dive elite?
Hopefully they fix the crashes sooner rather then later
Also hopefully they are done upgrading the engine at unreal and start focusing on unreal engine 5 more at epic games
Waiting til season 3? How long have the crashes been an issue for you?
One of the people I play with started having the issue with this update ... it seems semi-common, I should hope they fix it well before season 3
Issues have been happening since start of season 2 and seeing how the developers now have DRG on a lot more platforms and it’s been known since the start of the update I’m not able to play with friends since the start.
I’ve been enjoying the game since day 1 of game preview and supporting the developers by buying all DLC except robot rebellion do to since crashing and I’m thinking they need more testers for windows/Xbox build
I’ve stopped playing it since it crashes on Microsoft build and steam has FPS stutters and I have no friends on steam version
@obtuse fiber Game still not fixed?
Nope still crashes. I’ve stopped playing DRG all together and started playing rogue company,Dyson sphere program and gta online until it’s fixed
Lol what's taken so long?
It’s both Microsofts fault for taking so long to push updates and developers for having a successful game and putting it on a lot of platforms and not a lot of workers to QA. That’s why I even said I’d QA test it lol
If I remember right, didn't they try push a update before and it kept failing Microsoft testing or something?
Long time ago, can't remember what the update was for, perhaps something to do with the net thing
Yeah but this time the games crashing because they upgraded the game engine
Even steam is bad with FPS stutters just like updates ago from Microsoft build of people joining in game and the game dips FPS while people join
Thankfully other games I play are getting updates with new content while I wait
Anyone have trouble moving their progress from steam to windows? I have tried multiple youtube guides and even a fan-made tool (called KarlSaver) to transfer progress but have no luck. Every time I move my steam save file and replace and rename it into the windows save game folder, it just makes a new one with a completely different name, and puts me in the tutorial everytime. I was wondering whether it could have been a result of this most recent update or if I am doing something wrong.
One other person reported having issues after season 2 in this channel if I recall.
This was their issue. Seems different.
It is entirely possible that this update has changed something in such a way that we can no longer move save files between versions. There was an engine upgrade included in the Season 2 update, and that could easily change something about how files save and load. As cthepo mentioned, someone else was experiencing similar issues with save transfers from Steam to Microsoft as well.
Also, since the update just recently came out, patches are also coming out relatively quickly and patches always come out on Steam first. This means that the different platforms can potentially be on different enough versions that save files are not actually compatible. I'm not sure that this is the case, but it is a possibility. It's generally probably safer/higher chance of compatibility to move a save forward rather than backwards, and the Steam version is currently ahead of Microsoft.
But I mostly suspect the engine upgrade is what's causing these issues
@rotund dagger Thanks for your detailed write-up. It makes sense that the season 2 update may have caused these problems, but it also seems that the issue may also be with the container file within the xbox save folder. Something about it recording info about the xbox save and not recognizing the new save after being replaced. So it may still be possible to transfer saves but the container file would have to be taken into account.
Oh, it's highly unlikely that the save data itself has been made different across platforms. I only meant to point out that across different version numbers/patches it could become different enough to potentially cause issues when transferring a newer save to an older version. I assume an older save would always move to a newer version okay, otherwise save files would break with each update (and that would be a huge issue).
Anyhow, yes, the Microsoft version has not previously seemed to do anything to package the save data differently than Steam, otherwise a straight copy, replace, rename would not work as it has previously. The engine upgrade could have changed how files are saved and loaded (and/or the engine plugins needed to build the Microsoft/Xbox version). I don't expect any of it is intentional, but it very easily could be an unexpected side-effect of a new engine version or new plugin version
Remember we use playfab plug-in vs steams plug-in of unreal engine networking code
Has any developers said they are looking into it for multiplayer crashes since I’m not always awake during their work hours
The only thing I got is that there's two bug reports that sound something like the issue, both rated as "high" (https://ghostshipgames.atlassian.net/browse/DRG-5622 and https://ghostshipgames.atlassian.net/browse/DRG-5633). One has a response looking for more detail about when it happens, but they aren't "in progress" status
There's other crash reports from PS4 as well, most notably. But the ones I linked are Xbox/Windows specific
@rotund dagger do you know how to help me with my game not loading on pc Xbox version, sticks on syncing files
Not really, other than the usual things: reboot, log out and back in, uninstall/reboot/reinstall, make sure system time and time zone are both set to automatic
Have you made sure Gaming Services is up-to-date and working correctly?
well I just found a fix to it but i cant help to feel a little cheated, I downloaded it with gamepass, in my spite i bought the game itself to see if it would work. After actually buying the game it worked.
Think of it as supporting the devs, if that helps at all?
im fine with it i love game, but its kinda stupid
Yeah, no idea why any of that would happen...
Okay this Lok-1 gun is amazing, I have Executioner OC and am using the Gaming Existence YouTuber build, so good, and it can deal with Patrol Bots in 1 burst with full lock and aim for the head Weakpoint
has anyone found a fix or know if theyre looking in to these multiplayer issues? i bought this game awhile back played it and loved it. havent been able to invite friends or join them for months now. know several ppl with the same "bug" as me and have had it forever. kinda feels like i bought the game for nothing
PC game pass and i own the game as well
Well, the new Season 2 just came out, and that seems to have created a few issues multiplayer issues for some folks (but not all, it's bizarre to say the least), but that wouldn't explain issues you've had prior to the Season 2 release. However, the current issues could potentially add on to any other issues you've been experiencing. That said, there's some things you can check/try:
For a long time now, there has been a small issue with sessions desyncing that is fixable by having everyone exit and relaunch the game, so I suggest always trying that when you run into issues joining friends.
There is also an issue with multiplayer if your system time is not accurate. It's best for you and your friends to go into Windows Settings, Time & language, Date & time, and make sure that "Set time automatically" and "Set time zone automatically" are both turned on
i appreciate the response but ive done that and thousand things more to try and get the game to work. it has to be on their end. this is the only game i own through microsoft that doesnt work online at all. i changed my time zone several times and set it to automatic. forwarded all my ports for gaming. got my NAT type to open through xbox gaming. factory reset my router. loaded a save back from awhile ago to see if that would fix. unsubscribed to game pass and resub scribed. uninstalled the game and reinstalled. checked all files for repairs. idk what else to do
That's frustrating, and rather unusual (but not completely unique, I do think there have been a small handful of folks over the years who've expressed similar experiences). I'm afraid there's not much else that comes to mind that you haven't tried. I know that sometimes having the PC's region set to something other than its actual physical region can cause issues with the Store, but I'm not sure if that would also cause multiplayer issues. Only other thing that I know has caused issues for some has been Gaming Services not working/not updating correctly, but I think that was more with getting the game working at all, rather than just the multiplayer side of things.
All I can suggest is to check #420195388675588096 and try to submit your issue there so it can be tracked. It can be incredibly hard to find a bug that you can't reproduce or see (which is why I believe only some people are having issues joining after the most recent update; plenty of folks are not having issues at all, and, if that includes the devs, it can be difficult to find the issue)
i know im late to the party but dont forget to enable IPV6
make sure thats enabled as that well connect to devices using IPv4 and IPv6 devices
just ignore my naming of the internet port im using on my computer lol
heres how to check if its enabled
I notice that thrs not many servers going on in xbox compared to steam, sometimes i wanted to join a certain mission n noone is doing it
And the community in xbox vs steam is vastly diffrent imo, didnt have as great of a time in xbox/gamepass compared to steam
right now some people cant play multiplayer sessions because the game crashes when people join
every time i join games in progress or host the game crashes
@clever fiber have you tried uninstalling the game, opening another application, then reinstalling and restarting the console before opening the application again?
i see
Especially at higher Hazards. There's maybe a half dozen open Haz 5's at any time. I'm assuming most people are playing private or with friends. The number of 4/5 can often be seen on just one screen.
when did quick resume get added?
Any news on patches for multiplayer crashes
Has there been any new patches because I’ve been lagging and crashing quite a bit for the past few days
I haven’t crashed a ton but I’m definitely noticing significant more lag even on solo missions
Did they push the latest patch to Xbox?
I don't think we've gotten the May 16th patch yet. I think one of the things was they reduced the number of required rival presence down from 3 for the Scrip, but I finished one last night and it was still 3.
yea man tried everything.. at this point ive spent more time trying to fix the game than playing it
I noticed the chat box still closes immediately. Does this mean we'll have to wait till next Thursday for the patch to drop or will it drop on a different day of the week?
The devs typically don't wait for an arbitrary time to release patches, so I suspect it'll arrive as soon as they're able to get it to us
Cool
Xbox is on 1.36.70959 I believe. I’m hoping we get the new patch soon. Lots of bug fixes. I miss be able to type on my keyboard in chat.
whats the difference between windows version and steam version
steamworks, maximum cave size, discord integration, modding, more frequent patches, and the experimental branch
so which one is that?
I'll give you a hint. The microsoft version doesn't use steamworks.
Yep
sweet
They're completely separate platforms
Steam does not have any cross-play with other platforms, but in general has a slightly better offering of features
will they add cross play to other platforms later or are they not planning on it?
Id love to be able to play with my PS friends on PC
The Steam version is different enough (and affords the devs unique development opportunities) that is seems incredibly unlikely that Steam will ever get cross-play.
That said, there are no plans for additional cross-play support (beyond what exists between Xbox consoles and the Microsoft Store version on PC), but it's also never been said that it will definitely never happen.
Basically, it's unlikely, but never say never...
I don’t think it will ever happen since Microsoft version is so different from the rest aka different plug ins
makes sense
One big issue is that no preexisting system exists to let you connect from an Xbox account to someone using a PS account. The devs would have to build that themselves. And that's if Sony would even go along with it; Sony has mostly seemed rather unfriendly towards the idea in general, though they've relaxed a little
other games have crossplatform though
But I suspect there are technical reasons that would make things a bit more difficult specifically for DRG anyways. And it would be a ton of work for a small team, which would likely impact content updates significantly
Not many
idk much about how playstation works though when it comes to crossplatform and all that
And they've all had to come up with solutions to make it work
yeah thinking about it only example I can think of is cod
And most games are server-based, as in the players connect to a central server. DRG is peer-to-peer, meaning the connections are direct between users. It seems to me a lot easier to build cross-platform titles when all platforms have to connect to one server, rather than all other platforms...
It's way more complicated than it may seem, for how easily it often just works on games that support it. Honestly, it is a testament to the hard work and ingenuity of the dev teams that add it to their games. It no doubt increases the complexity of the development process
There a mission going with nearly 24 hours on the clock
Host is Baddie xP
There is zero issues with crossplatform comparability
Xbox and PlayStation are based on the same hardware, they are essentially PCs
It ain't all about the hardware. How does an Xbox player friend someone on PlayStation? 😉
It's Sony not playing nice
And, while I can't confirm how things are on PlayStation, I will say that on Xbox/Microsoft, depending on which device the host is on will absolutely make a difference in where things minerals and objectives spawn in a Deep Dive. And that's on the same account platform. Throw a whole different set of hardware and accounts into the mix, and I'm sure it's different again
Also friends is understandable, but not being at all to play with others Sony does not like
It's easy to see that there might be other incompatibilities inherent in DRG that would have to be overcome in a cross-platform capable version that don't need to be dealt with currently. It all amounts to a ton of work and effort that might be better spent on content (especially with a small team and finite resources)
Patch 03 is rolling out now for Xbox/windows store - besides the fixes in #patch-notes-steam it also includes some fixes for the chat 🌟
Didn't see it at a quick glance at patch note but the alt-fire issues with CWC and Crossbow are also fixed on controller for those wondering
Cod, fortnite, and I believe Minecraft and Rocket League..?
everyone thats been having problems with multiplayer can skip playing this games update it didnt fix it
what sucks is that it got worse, i wasnt able to salute while in multiplayer, i landed in game and it crashed
im going to try one more time just as a time subject lol
my friend's game crashes during the loading screen I think. I'll have him try just to be sure once he gets back from vacay
just like last time game crashed and now i cant even open it
rip
at least i have other games to enjoy that dont crash or get worse FPS stutters
Anyone have someone be able to join into your game when you're on solo? I had that happen yesterday and was so confused
im going to take a long break from DRG aka wait until season 3
seems like the xbox/microsoft version is more buggy than steam
fr the 1 week i played on gamepass , ive fallen off the map like 3x lol, compared to maybe 100hours on steam and never had that/ very few bugs
is there only 67 achievements on xbox? i thought there was 69?
Yes. The last two achievements are new (compared to base set of 67), and were added when we got the On-Site Refining and Escort missions. However, Xbox makes it somewhat complicated to add achievements to a title (at least, as far as I understand it), while Steam doesn't care what you do and PlayStation came out after those achievements were added, so that's why Xbox is lacking the two newest
Does the 100 solo mission achievement only count missions started solo, or also ones played solo?
Only missions where you select solo as the option when starting the mission, I believe. If you select public and no one joins the entire time, that won't count. I could be mistaken, as I haven't tested this out and I'm basing it on what others have said
Is there anyone that needs the car pool achievement still? One of the last ones I need, so hard to try and get randoms to help
Perfect. Thanks so much for the clarification.
Yea I still need that achievement
I’m down if you can get 1 more interested player
Okay great, what timezone are you?
EST
Okay I’ll try and find one more person if I can, so you have another person who wants it also?
I would do it just you and me but I think the achievement requires a minimum of 3 ppl? I don’t remember honestly.
No it’s all 4 unfortunately! What’s your gamertag? I’ll add you and keep you in the loop if I find two others
Ah hell LOL
My GT is YAWBEE FC
I know! Such a pain trying to find people for it😤. I’ll add you and message you when I find two others and hopefully we can all be on at the same time. I’m from the UK but I’m flexible at which times I can play
If it’s pc, you are instantly taken out of a loading screen if you press escape (which you need to if you try to tab out). I know it’s probably dumb, but maybe that’s what he’s doing
Are you on now? I’m with one other guy at the moment
Whenever u get the last player I can jump on @manic fulcrum
Okay we have 3 if you’re able to get on now
I wish developers would fix multiplayer already
Man great stuff. Thanks again for inviting me and organizing it. Most epic 😊👍 @manic fulcrum
Let’s go! Thanks dude🤩
What's with multiplayer?
Game crashes when hosting or joining @quasi meteor
sneeze
crashes don't seem to happen for everyone but when they do of course you can't play with anyone else.... myself and my sister are ok, the friend that plays with us can't join or host any games due to this crash issue. Only started with S2 update :/
New patch!
Based on last message I assume that it hasn’t fixed crashes?
Not a big deal for me, but still happens occasionally and it’s annoying.
First time I’ve played in a while
Think I accidentally reset my controls
And struggling to get the aim feeling good
I play high sens and ideally with as little sun accel as possible
I’ve put inner deadzone to 0% and it still feels like there’s a deadzone. Any ideas on how to eliminate it?
The Season 2 update, which just came out two weeks ago, reset settings, including controls
Ah, so I’m not crazy. Thanks
Literally had the worst scout on the EDD
I was playing engi so I was holding positions, but he kept strafing behind me and shooting me with explosive reload Zhukovs
anyone know why i cant see any games going on the server list in mission selection?
make sure game is updated
Damn i feel like an idiot now lol
At least you can play the game. It’s broken for me
Micro detonators don’t detonate on teammates and do almost no friendly fire damage
Maybe he was shooting you because you didn’t give him platforms. Or because scout is the best class in the game and we don’t need no engineers
I’m a strong independent scout and I dun need no engi
Yeah, Scout the real MVP. Not those nuclear Engineers and those backstabbing Drillers and those accident prone Gunners!
Scout, scout, let it all out
These are the things I can do without
Come on, I'm talking to you, come on
In mining times
You shouldn’t have to sell enor pearl
In Blackout Stout
They really really ought to know
Last I checked embedded detonators do damage team mates I’ve done it a few times lol
Windows10 version issue:
Hey guys. So ive been playing this game since launch and never had any issues. my friend just got the game and everytime they go to join a friend or have a friend join their session the game just crashes and closes. no error codes or anything. Does anyone have any ideas at all on how to fix this? We've done all the usual tests of checking for updates, redownloaded the game, reset PC, checked the firewall, drivers you name it. but cant figure out why the game just crashes when joining another player who is a friend. game runs fine in solo and joining a game from the terminal. but the moment a friend joins, crash. If anyone could help that would be amazing. Thanks for your time
Known issue but not sure if developers are looking into it
Thank you for getting back to me on this :)
No problem I’m also affected by this crashing as well
Short version is they upgrade the game engine and probably forgot to check/update the network plug-in.
@lean cliff Yeah it seems to be an issue some are having after the season 2 update. Some bug reports exist, not sure what the fix timeline is tho.
#xbox-and-windows-store message
One of the two people I usually play with is affected :/
New patch today?
There was one yesterday, should contain all of what's in the one that got released on steam a bit ago
Hasn't fixed anyone's multiplayer crash issues tho, unfortunately
guys, anyone know how to enable voice chat in drg playing from xbox?
P sure it's on my default? Your mic is definitely not muted?
Only the base damage which is very low. It’s like being hit by a nerf gun
Embed Dets do explode on teammates but only when their shields are down
I’m pretty sure it detonates on teammates because he was doing massive damage. Idk how else a scout could do half my health with zhukovs so fast.
Well that’s cool actually. Now I can teamkill the engineer and leave the game after he ignores my pings for nitra for 5 minutes straight
🤓🤓🤓🤓
Just master sticking to the wall with the grappling-hook-into-power-attack to land above the nitra, no engineer necessary 😉
i wish the devs or even the CM would say something about the multiplayer crashes and say yes we are looking into them just to let people know they are, cause right now im starting to get the feeling that rockstar syndrome is starting to happen slowly but surely
I don’t rely on engineers, but that doesn’t mean I don’t notice when they’re useless
petition to keep bosco in missions until a 4th player joins lol
you name a problem with bosco staying in until 4th player joins and i have a solution
in boscos terminal you could choose him to revive team mates or host or no one and only the host controls bosco, and controlling him with team mates you wanna ping so you ping 2 times so bosco doesnt move or mine what ever you pinged at
Infinite ammo drone
Bosco is better than the average player, but watching other people fail/win is something I can’t play without
Doesn’t matter about that seeing how his revives could be halved or not touched at all
or just make it have about 1,000 ammo
Give Bosco one bullet and make him use it only in emergencies
Give Bosco Cupid's bow and arrow and let him help you find true love
look at this drip
Does the get all dwarfs to gold achievement line stop at gold?
yes
theres no achievements to platinum, diamond or legendary
since those were added after the achievement was created
Praise thy for that
That makes sense why gold is called legendary then. Lol. Apparently they devs underestimated however good the game would be and how addicted we'd get. I kind of wish there was an all legendary achievement to feel special for getting it (almost there) but I also understand making an achievement that takes just playing that long might be frustrating to 100%ers.
hey if you thermo shock a cave leech it becomes unkillable lmao
weeelll that's unsettling
I wonder what would happen if a driller drilled out the ceiling above such a leech...
(does anything happen to a leech that hasn't been thermo shocked if this is done?)
@shadow veldt Its already bad enough, grinding xp for hundreds of hours fucking sucks.
Esp when you done everything else on the list and a 100-200h pure grind remains where nothing matter but xp
You could play the game because you find it fun?
It was fun, now when its all about just grinding xp its not too exciting
I just play cuz it’s a fun game. 2,000 hours later and im still enjoying myself
240h later im enjoying the gameplay, i just dont enjoy low xp payouts knowing i need a few mil
Do we have a hotfix incoming for multiplayer crashing
I’ve stopped playing the game and buying dlc since I can’t play because of the crashes
Would it be considered hot by now?
We're working on it. Dunno how hot it would be considered by now tho.
The rumours about morkite being hard to find on the EDD stage 2 aren’t true, you don’t need to wait for a dark morkite beer
yo anyone wanna run elite deep dive?
What about falling through the map? That's like the only issue I experience myself on a kinda regular basis.
Unless I'm scout 
This is so good to hear. I want one of my crew back lol
thanks communication like this helps alot of frustrated players that just want to know
That's been an issue for quite a while so I doubt it. TBH I kind of doubt it's actually a bug, and probably more an issue with bad connection/packet loss between host/client. That's just a guess though. I've only encountered that joining people with bad connection and never when hosting.
Well it happened to me when I was hosting yesterday 
First time for everything I suppose
idk how long it's actually been an issue since I've only encountered during season 2
Definitely could be. The engine update messed with a lot of stuff it seems.
Make sure it gives people heartburn :]
Careful with the pings. Only reason why I pinged was to thank them for communicating that they are looking into it and fixing it.
Also a big thank you for fixing physical keyboard chat.
It's made mining with others so much better.
Data deposits have become such a normal event now that I forgot to actually deposit the data cell before calling the drop pod lol
Not a big deal tho
Much more data to mine!
Can anyone tell me how to join a Union on XBOX? I’m in front of the terminal, but it’s just a PSA…
you don't because it's not a feature on the consoles
Unions aren’t really useful anyways. Only get like a small handful of minerals a month or one task a month to get extra minerals. Don’t remember. Anywho, don’t feel bad about not having it.
Is there any kind of clan system to team up easily with folks?
Not really, but Unions aren't that either. Unions are pretty much nothing but click a button and after a month you'll get a few bonus credits/minerals. That's it.
As far as grouping up, there was an Xbox Club for DRG, but I don't know how active it is. Then there's the LFG channels here in this discord: #lfg-xbox-microsoft .
Outside of those, I'm not really aware of anything else. I imagine if you use voice chat in-game you might come across other folks looking to group up and hang out, but voice chat also isn't really needed (because the laser pointer and salute can already provide decent communication), so it seems plenty of folks don't use it
Thank you devs for curing the Spitballers of the illness giving them the stiff neck. I'll admit it was low key kind of funny getting blasted by one because I thought they were locking onto someone else's, but it's nice to have them accurate again.
Fps drops after updating, any idea?
Does Ghost Ship have any ideas to support frame 120 on Xbox Series X? XSX now runs the same 4K60 frame version of xboxone x.Thank you first.
@tropic bone
Are you playing on PC or on Xbox?
You might not get an answer soon or at all seeing how it’s 12:30am west coast USA and I’ve experienced falling thru map on Xbox mostly before network framework rework
Falling thur map is experienced mostly with bad internet and bad specs on computers mostly from what I gathered from my friends problems.
Xbox
Anyone wanna do the deep dive with me and my friend today after we get off work? (Prolly close to or after 6pm cst)
https://www.reddit.com/r/DeepRockGalactic/comments/uiu6dw/psa_120hz_performance_mode_on_ps5/i7h0ciy
Looks like it's in the works?
Thank you for telling me that.
Just so some people can save data on their internet plan
noooooo the hellfire nerf hurts
That's one of the reasons I've waited until like now to try the weapons despite unlocking them all day 1. I know they're going to rebalance them so I figure if I wait a few patches I won't be hurt.
For what it's worth, the wave cooker and shard defractor feel really fun - haven't tried the other two. The CWC feels a little underpowered compared to other driller secondary (haven't been using the temp shock meta), but it's still really fun which is more important - plus it fills a crowd control niche for builds like sludge blast and face melter. Only done one mission with the defractor (Haz 4 Mactera plague) and it was a blast. Also I remember people complaining about switching it from a full ammo dump, but personally feels like the requirement for you to wait until full recharge kind of gives you that "blast away" feeling.
Also bumping this request.
Somewhere in the last year, deep dives started defaulting to selecting as solo. This has caused a few party disbands. And honestly reduced the number of people hosting who just aren't paying attention. Please devs, at least revert it to friends only, or don't default it to anything at all and makes us pick. It'd be a much appreciated quality of life thing.
Don't know if it was just an accident in another update, or if it was intentional (why??), but it's definitely inconvenient.
deep rock galactic RTX yes please
A few other games will also be getting special treatment, though dates weren't announced. Deep Rock Galactic, which already has an experimental RTX mode, is included in the list. The experimental mode is very good, but can be a bit hit and miss, especially in menus, so it will be good to see how it works once officially supported.
There is no experimental ray tracing mode. That author is an idiot. There’s the experimental HDR mode and there’s DLSS/FSR. No ray tracing.
To be fair nvidia uses a lot of terms to describe ray tracing and DLSS and dlaa
Deep learning super sampling is a family of real-time deep learning image enhancement and upscaling technologies developed by Nvidia that are exclusive to its RTX line of graphics cards, and available in a number of video games.
Nvidia bundles DLSS and DLAA under the RTX name
mactera plague rival presence combo is miserable
Remove the Mactera plague and I'm more likely to agree with you. I love Mactera plague so much. 😂 You get a few good loadouts for it and the sound of them crunching is so nice.
lets hope they release the coldfix aka hotfix for multiplayer soon
I prefer a warmfix. Not too cold, not too hot just enough to make me grin.
but I want you to burn, Lammy
I want you to freeze to the Xbox home screen, Jaykub
Guys, i have a problem. Does anyone know how to activate voice chat on xbox, bc I've literally looked everywhere for this button, but never found it.
(Tryna mine sum minerals and vibe 420 friendly)
Mic required
dontpushbuttonearly
If you’re on Xbox (not pc) you can just talk into the mic.
If your mic is on and working, people should be able to hear you. Unless you press a mute button on your headset.
If you are rocking a kinect mic then never unmute
its odd, i have a mic, but people didnt hear me
Anyone willing to help a fellow gamer out? I've been experiencing tons of crashes after I started playing, and they happen quite frequently as well. I always get the same 2 errors: dxgi_error_device_removed and dxgi_error_device_hung. Has anyone else experienced this issue, and if so, how did you manage to fix it?
Season 2 has not been great because the developers had to upgrade the game engine and a lot of problems are happening and they are working on them right now along with the upgraded version of DRG
Me personally I can’t play the game with friends since it crashes
Well it's reassuring to know that they're working on it. Thank you for your response.
I am having a nearly identical issue to what is described in the post https://ghostshipgames.atlassian.net/browse/DRG-5247 are there any solutions I can try?
hey i'm having a problem with my save files on windows version. everytime i close the game all of my progress resets, even after completing a mission or two. I have uninstalled the game several times but it just keeps starting me off in the tutorial screen and sets me a level 1
Wasn't there a time when we could type with a keyboard without having the Xbox digital keyboard taking all the screen? I just remembered yesterday I used to be able to see what I was typing in the bottom left chatbox in real time but now nothing shows up until you actually press Enter to send. I think that was before 1.0, I did notice and mentioned it at the time but I think I had taken a break before that so when I came back I couldn't tell exactly why chatting felt sluggish. That keyboard causes delay in gameplay because it often takes time to load up so you need to make sure there's no bugs around before attempting to type something, used to be able to type stuff like "yes,no, R" midair and have it sent almost instantaneously when landing but now you're left standing still for at least 3seconds before the keyboard gets off screen
This is when I first brought it up
i'm checking my local files after a fresh reinstall and for some reason i do not have the wgs folder in my SystemAppData folder, which most likely contains save files. How can I restore this folder?
you should be able to restore save file from cloud
in game hit escape and go to save file and hit restore save
Is anyone elses game randomly crashing on the xbox one?
A lot of people. Developers are fixing it
Is anyone else having an issue where only the host can hear the jukebox?
Good to know thanks
Lost a EDD to a crash, made it to stage three solo, and then the game decided to shit itself. At the very least I'm glad they are working on it.
Anyone want to play?
What region?
U have a better chance at getting players by posting in #lfg-xbox-microsoft
took a break from the game for about 3 months and came back to the glitchiest version I have seen in 2 years, was only able to complete 1 of 4 missions so far do to various glitches and crashes. I hope this isn't indicative of the build we are currently sitting at and im just unlucky
You have a better chance at using steam version as Microsoft build is worse then steam
Honestly I just stopped playing DRG once I started season 2
Like 30 minutes after season 2 released I stopped playing it.
For me it’s always back to rogue company or Dyson Sphere Program
It probably is. TBH this is my favorite game of all time and I've always shilled it hard to everyone who will listen but Season 2 has been an extreme frustration. I'd rather just roll back all the content, it was a perfect game before. I wouldn't trade what makes it great for this mess.
Like, the bugs where Nemesis are supposed to not just spawn next to you was supposed to be fixed for Xbox and we had to wait a week to get the patch. I'd stopped doing rival assignments and was just going to avoid them, but I stupidly let myself be tricked into one because I love low gravity and "it's just a 200 morkite with dark morkite". Well in the starting room, I'm pick axing away, I hear the voice line once and get grabbed the moment I look up. Stuff like that is such BS.
I get that they're a small company. If that's the limitation they should just produce less content, and actually get the game right and enjoyable. From an enjoyment perspective Season 2 has been a disaster for me. I know scaling back content additions brings less newer players and less cash, but not having the time to properly play test and bug hunt and fix things is just a pain for all the users who've supported your game. It just feels like a slap in the face, especially since this week was like the first time they actually acknowledged they were working on some of the more egregious fixes like multiplayer.
yea this is pretty brutal, tried a few more and am now 2 for 7 in actually making it through a full mission (all I wanted was to unlock the crossbow so I could test it out but guess the game doesnt want me to do that haha)
guess I will try again in a month
To be honest this season wasn’t as bad as when they shipped out a wrong build and no one could open the game because it just redirected them to the DRG store page in Microsoft store lol
I’ve skipped this season dlc and put that money into rogue company since that game has full crossplay with mouse and keyboard and controller even on pvp which I don’t notice a difference with mouse and keyboard and controller players
People seriosly still paly rogue comapany?
Apparently so
Imagine
Anybody got an idea what the update is for?
The new patch should fix a crash related to online play on Xbox/MS Store platforms, nothing else changed.
Axel best dev and car part ever.
Also, cobbler is delicious rapid lip smacking noises
fart
reverberated burp
Well I can say the bug/crash is gone. Playing with a full team and no crash
Never mind just crashed lol
And now can’t open game
I’m able to open game again and loading into a mission in multiplayer and game crashed again
well back to hardspace shipbreaker i guess
Vocoded sneeze
Anyone else encounter when you try to back out of the Xbox keyboard you get stuck in place and you can only get unstuck by pressing A and typing anything in chat?
For the record, I've actually managed to fix this issue as of now. The problem seemed to be related to the game using DirectX 12, as I'm no longer receiving crashes since doing the following:
- Putting "-dx11" in Steam launch options.
- Changing "bUseD3D12InGame" from True to False in "GameUserSettings.ini".
In case anyone else is still experiencing crashes and looking for a solution, I recommend you to try these fixes.
I don't know if this is of use to you specifically @obtuse fiber , but might wanna try it if you haven't yet.
you cant change directx versions on microsoft
the update they release almost fixed it
looks like they are going to have to look into it more and release an update on microsoft store again
yeah this channel is for microsoft version of DRG
Well, to be fair, there isn't a seperate channel for Steam issues
So since Steam is on PC, this is the closest channel for it
steam chat is #drg-chat
Seems to be for general chat across all platforms, at least based on the channel description
channel description here says for players on xbox one and windows 10 version of the game
And since Steam is on PC, it could technically be categorized as the Windows 10 version as well
but people play DRG on windows 7/8/8.1
then it would just say Xbox and PC
this is why i keep saying we need to change channel to #MicrosoftStore-DRG
In that case it's quite peculiar there isn't a seperate channel for issues regarding the Steam version, considering that's where most people have bought the game. Regardless, I'm not here to argue, just looking to help the community.
i mean there is #bug-discussion
I saw that, but thought it was more so aimed towards technical bugs
But yes, it would probably be a better place for these types of issues
yeah crashing still happens back to my other games
Just press send
wonder if this only addressed a more specific crash. At least one of the Jira bug reports seemed to be a crash specific to players on Xbox PC version trying to play with people playing on Xbox
#drg-chat is for anything drg related. there isnt anything steam-specific.
ill do one better: this channel is for players who got a copy from the ms/xbox store
Legit tho, the control over program function is really needed on PC given how unstandardized PCs can be, and the Xbox store service for PC is depressingly devoid of the kind of user-end control for settings that Steam has.
If it wasn't for the fact I don't want to ask one friend to repurchase on steam I wouldn't play the game on the platform XD;;
Just wait for one of the many steam sales. DRG regularly goes on sale.
We'll see. I was surprised they bought the game at all because of how stingy they are--they only had game pass for a little while and bought it there before their game pass ran out
Kinda wishing I had pushed harder for them to grab steam version instead 😔
I don’t wanna jinx it but Xbox version seems stable vs windows
I was able to finish a mission without crashing on series X but windows version is still a little unstable
Yea I play on the series x and it’s been great since that last big patch with all the bug fixes
Anyone else get a deep rock update today? I just got one. 335MBs
That update was to fix online crashing
It kinda fixed it on windows build but not really but it fixed it on Xbox
Oh sweet that’s good news
devs fixed the xbox version but windows build is still crashing, i can play just fine on xbox but not windows
I asked this in the bug channel I believe a few days ago(and reddit today), but no solution. Hoping this is a good place as well.
Does anyone else have issues with their xbox controller not work 100% properly when playing? The left trigger acts, or almost acts, as if its always held down or super sensative. I cant pick a character at the select screen cause the selection is going a mile a minute. I tested a ps5 controller, and the selection screen is still an issue, but not as bad.
I have the steam version of the game and my controller is working fine with all other games.
It’s the same version nibbles. The Xbox os is just a custom desktop environment running on top of windows 10.
Then tell me why my game is crashing on my computer but not Xbox
Plus you said it yourself Xbox is run on a custom OS of windows while windows is windows. So why is windows DRG crashing vs Xbox
I wanna guess that it’s crashing because I’m on windows 11 lol
@loud harbor hi! I have been waiting for any type of acknowledgement about windows version crashing every time you join a multiplayer game. I’ve seen several people having the same issues, but seen zero acknowledgement. I can play the cloud version which degrades the graphics and slows inputs which kills the experience to the point of not wanting to play. Is there anything being worked on with this issue?
Update was released today to fix it
Did it work?
It fixed it for me on my Xbox but not my computer but you should try and see if it’s fixed for you
Alright, you and I have spoken twice on this over the past month haha. Hopefully, fingers crossed.
@south wind do u happen to own an Xbox
Just tried it, it crashed. Update did not fix it. Yes I have an Xbox as well.
Try playing on Xbox and see if it crashes
I’ll have to check it at a later time. When I do I’ll at you.
Ok if my assumptions are correct it should work fine for you
To answer your first question I have to answer your comment. Yes it’s custom, but not in any significant way. There may be slight optimizations to the kernel and drivers used, but the core is windows 10. The desktop environment, the UI, is really the only significant difference. As to why it’s not working on your computer. It could be anything from incorrectly installed drivers, the windows store being a piece of shit, or the moon is out of phase.
Drivers are installed correctly. Windows store has gotten better over time and the moon is in waning crescent right now for me
Damn the moon
Has anyone else been running into the bug where a downed dwarf falls infinitely and cannot be revived? It's been around a long time, but I've hit it more times this update than in the rest of my playtime combined
Between that and the nemesis's tendency to spawn directly on top of dwarves I've failed almost every mission tonight rather unfair-feeling mechanics :(
I have, but I notice its when a trawler grabs them and kills them. Thats when they fall through the map
The downed player usually is able to be revived if you see where the bugs are massing and break the ground around where their body is suppose to be
Yeah we were able to solve it like that once, but on another mission digging under the dwarf only briefly reset their position before they began falling again
That’s only happened when someone steps on a tile that’s rendered visually but not physically, if it happens like that then a way to get out is have them vault up on someone else.
You can fall down in the same spot again, so it’s best to completely avoid the area
Hard to completely avoid the area when you can't be revived in the first place 😭
I mentioned this bug on twitter and made a post on reddit and it has yet to he heard. but i did some testing and even LAN doesn't work. (Referring to the Multiplayer Bug)
I mentioned this bug on twitter and made a post on reddit and it has yet to he heard.
I wonder if it has to do with submitting bugs in some of the worst places possible instead of going straight to GSG's bug reporting site over in #420195388675588096
i made the post on reddit under the Bug Flair
alternatively you could use their bug reporting software where they'll actually see it
can't get that to work
tried too many times and can't open the site
right so i just tried the game just now and it is not even slowing down this time, but crashing as if i just did Alt-F4
can't belive it has been three weeks
Uhhhh why waste time reporting bugs? Just shoot them.
Context!?
Bugs: the enemies
Bugs: when a thing that wasn’t supposed to happen happens
I recall seeing the whole nemesis spawning on dwarves supposed to being fixed in last week's patch, but definitely can confirm I've had it spawn on me.
Was recently in a solo morkite mission, starting room, I heard the voice line once and looked up from mining and got grabbed before being able to zip away. Very frustrating.
The site is very wonky. And if you've signed up before and been inactive for a period of time your account gets removed and you cannot get access again.
Promotion menu isn’t popping up
Context is for noobs
Oh
Hopefully when they release the upgrade which I hope is soon the bugs will be fixed
Arm length on the caretaker needs to be nerfed, wtf, literally got stabbed by one on the opposite side
I was near one on the side I was on, running, and somehow one on the opposite side literally extended all the way over and hit me dispute me moving
And I still believe robots health in general needs to be nerfed, takes way too much to kill them, Patrol bots with the health of an Oppressor is retarded as they are far more deadly and a heck of a lot more mobile and still cannot be stunned for some stupid reason
Sniper turrets got way too much health too, need to be cut down by 1/3 or 1/2 of current
I am currently having an issue where I can’t hear any I game audio. It isn’t a hardware issue I have checked and reset and I am still experiencing the issue. Any ideas?
well wth does "Just Shoot them" supposed to mean?
"Uhhhh why waste time reporting bugs? Just shoot them."
"just shoot them" referring to the previous question i asked in the same post. come on dude.
I feel like it's pretty much impossible to play this game on your own in any difficulty over 2
I've had multiple games that end on difficulty 3 with 0 in every slot, me running aimlessly for Nitra deposits
at least make it so when you die in a solo game you revive with something in your guns, maybe just a 1/4 refilled- that way your not softlocked with a lack of ammo
Haz 3 can be difficult when you don't have many perks unlocked or upgraded, and when you don't have many weapon modifications active.
When first starting out, Haz 2 is not a bad place to start, so that you can gather the resources needed to unlock the weapons and mods, and start accumulating perk points
As you upgrade your weapons, you'll often have more ammo, you the ammo you have will be more effective (meaning you use less to take out the same amount of bugs as before). And, Nitra can sometimes be a little hard to spot without a Scout to really light things up, but it's usually rather plentiful
If you just started, stick to hazard 2 if you haven’t unlocked anything. Gunner is very noob friendly.
Don't forget you can also upgrade Bosco. Maybe instead of digging in and fighting as much, you stay mobile, wait to aim up more weakpoint shots while Bosco does the bulk of damage.
At the very least, just keep at it. I know it's frustrating losing, but trying and failing is actually a great way to improve at this game. I tell people my team failed 80% of Haz 4's when we first moved up. It was brutal. Eventually we're tweaked builds, got better, and just started feeling more comfortable at the Hazard and it honestly feels chill now whenever I play it.
Like others said, perks and unlocking weapon mods will help. If you're using a specific character and loadout feel free to share. Such as "I'm using gunner Autocanon with 21111 and combat mobility overclock and BRT no overclock 13232" (the number responding to what column the mod you picked was for).
It gets easier as you play,personally I can run Haz 5s on my own. Its just the massive learning curve and getting perks/upgrades
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Solo is also a lot more forgiving with enemy spawns in my experience
fair enough
Anyone wanna run a deep dive? I never tried it and I'm tryna get more overclocks
Hey guys Im new to the game and am looking for some people to just chill and play the game with
@umbral carbon @pure ember try #lfg-xbox-microsoft you will have a better chance at getting people
wtf is with the scrip calculations? i did the elite deep dive and didnt get ANY xp
and a mission right after, bar didnt budge
try #lfg-xbox-microsoft that would help finding people better
sorry i just noticed it
thats ok
I hope they are working on a fix for multiplayer crashes on windows build now since Xbox can handle multiplayer without crashing for me but windows build still crashes for multiplayer sessions
id like to know why windows build is still crashing but not xbox, ive done everything from reinstall drivers to a clean install of windows 11


Looks like my friend has the same experience--it took a little longer to crash, but still crashes with XBox PC/Windows Store version :/
Question does DRG use all cores in the cpu or not
Also with the upgraded DRG being made will it support direct storage on both Xbox and windows 10/11
Crashing might be a memory issue
Thankfully I have enough memory but it might be a memory leak issue with the game
Maybe it’s just a reminder to touch grass. I crash every 2 hours or so
i still crash everytime i join anybody even when i just start the game
it was fixed on xbox but not windows
the reason why i dont play on xbox as much or at all is because the xbox version is crap for features when windows build has better options like server name and better graphics options
fragmenting options between versions is not the way to go for video games, hopefully them working on series X/S version they will include the same options the windows build has
I don’t crash that often, tf
Pc games in general have graphics options because pc builds aren’t standardized like consoles
basic graphic options like brightness are not included on xbox DRG but other games have it
brightness is for noobs anyway. everyone would just crank it.
darkness is a major game mechanic, so allowing a gamma slider would defeat the point
Sorry, are you saying steam has brightness options in game? I just assumed it was intentionally not included since light control is a major mechanism.
There's a gamma slider and an HDR gamma slider in the Microsoft Store version, which is essentially the same build as the Xbox version. They both default to the center of the slider, allowing the gamma to be adjusted up or down. I'm sure the Steam version has those as well, but I didn't bother checking
I just wanna play man.
Xbox can play fine but not windows for me
oh hey #patch-notes-xbox_winstore exists now
yep, added it since it is a clusterf#ck finding out about patch info for consoles
nibbles, are you crashing on winstore?
Yeah
how
Joining sessions and crashing still but Xbox series X is fine
you have to give more details mate
I can get on now and crash so you have a report or you can join me and I’ll crash
please do, i dont have the winstore build installed atm
Before update it crashed after like 3 minutes and now it crashes after like 1 minute of joining a random
Joining a session now
Just crashed now
hopefully that crash report helps
@regal breach Let me know if you need anything else
but do you get the unreal crash reporter or does it just crash?
just crash no unreal crash report
game froze for like about 3 seconds then crash to desktop
also if you have time i could share my game and desktop so you can see the crash happen
bummer, then i cant get the report, since the crash reporter for MS does not have enough details
its not even letting me to the paste command after crashing
ill try crashing again to see if i can at least do control V after crash
but whats weird is after crashing i cant open the game unless i wait a long time then i could open it again or restarting my computer lets me open it again
im not sure but i know a few other people are having the same problem and i forgot to ask if they were on windows 11
like right now i cant even open up DRG
ill restart my computer and open up DRG after restarting
do you have the game open in task manager
It’s not open in task manager after crashing and clicking once to open it does nothing and doesn’t show up in task manager
What I will do is record a session and post it on my YouTube channel since discord doesn’t like 4K recordings of my game crashing lol
i dont think that would help me, but its hard since we literally cannot get any info
ill give it a try since it might trigger an idea
im uploading video now and then you can skip to about 50 seconds and on about 52-53 seconds is when i crash
im no expert but either it might be a memory leak with playfab networking code or resource management issue with networking code
@regal breach here is one other person as well, #xbox-and-windows-store message
here is the video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QKawuiI0Fk
also if anybody there wants i can share my screen if they need me too
Neat, give my thanks to whoever came up with adding it
hopefully first patch notes on that channel will be fixing the windows build crashing with multiplayer lol
i already gave my 2 cents worth of resource management with network coding or playfab memory leak or playfab needs updating since game engine got updated as well
it was me 😎
EOTM right there
I’m going to crash one more time and see if I can paste an error report
Earlier updates we could do that
the video cuts out, instead of seeing it crash
the part where it cuts out is where i crash lol
xbox gamebar doesnt record crash to desktop for security reasons lol
when opening the game is a small window suppose to open saying checking for updates and syncing data
and signing in
alright
i just barely landed in a session and i crashed and i cant paste a crash report did microsoft stop allowing that
is there anything else i can do to try and help out
not atm, since i dont know what to ask for
the game opens up a small window saying signing in checking for updates and syncing data and i load in the spacerig fine solo missions are fine just multiplayer sessions crash
@devout dome are you busy for a crashing question for DRG, just wondering if your friend is on windows 10 or windows 11
@regal breach does the game work fine when using retail version on windows 10
im just wondering if its a windows 11 thing or not
since it doesnt seem to be affecting that many people
i dont know
im guessing windows 11, playfab needs updating or memory leak are what my guesses are the problems but im firing in the dark(no pun intended)
on my video at about 50-52 seconds when my flamethrower stops firing is when crash happens, so like 1-2 second before video ends is when game crashes
what ill do is try reinstalling DRG and see if that does anything at all for a 2nd time
i know installing DRG on an SSD is not causing the problem lol
this is really annoying me that i can reproduce the crash everytime but microsoft sucks at detailed crash reports
Did it crash?
MS: uhhh yes
care to explain how MS?
MS: uhhh nope
well DUCK microsoft and not having the ability to verify files, i reinstalled the game for a 2nd time and now i havent crashed yet
something about microsofts update process with season 2 messed up on the update that was suppose to fix multiplayer crashing aka update corruption from microsoft store @regal breach
i havent crashed yet since reintalling the game for the 2nd time
nevermind i crashed now lol
it lasted longer then normal
heres hoping i got the waster skin for my wave cooker lol
i guess ill wait until season 3 to play DRG on my PC and play DRG season 2 on my xbox
WOW just wanted to test out crashing again and i only heard starting sound of personal pod and crashed lol
This is amazing! Thank you!
My friend is on Win 10
So I guess this puts a wrench in the "Windows Version" theory
Yeah Microsoft's installation and update management for XBox PC gaming just on the user end is a pretty user unfriendly experience, which makes me wonder just how much of a spaghetti code nightmare it is under the covers. I've had a lot of trouble with the program not finding updates, updates not auto installing when expected, and updating that makes you download the whole game over again for what should be minor changes. It's only started to become slightly better in the year (or two?) since they changed over to a completely new launcher. But I'm still just crossing my fingers that it works right every time I'm trying to deal with adding/updating an install.
I have a Screenshot from a friend on the Windows Client crashing with an error message if that is worth something
The Xbox os is literally windows 10 with a different coat of paint. That’s why it’s so shit.
Please post it here
I can't post pictures here
Next time I crash with the error message I’ll post it, it’s usually a game bar message box. If it’s not that, I crash straight to the desktop
That’s weird I can post pictures here
This is what it looks like or you can try using control V to paste here if it copies it to clipboard
I still can’t promote my dwarf
you need a role from #welcome-and-rules
when i click join game through a friend on xbox gamebar it does nothing, anyone know a fix? (WIN 11)
I need some wenches on my Pick too
Session needs a restart or game needs an update.
Happens all the time if the session has existed for more than 1 mission
any help for multiplayer issues? anytime i try to join a lobby, it takes 20+ minutes for me to load in, and even then the screen is only half lit and nothingaround me is moving nor can i move. if my friend joins my lobby, he can move and everything, but i cannot as soon as he accepts the invite
@obtuse fiber can you go look at the videos in the DLC screen and character select screen, then runaround the spacerig a couple minutes and see what happens
Watched whole dlc video and walked around spacerig and went to promotion terminal and I’m still in game @regal breach
@tidal night
can you try using the older weapons or not fightning at all when joining we think its a particle crash
nibbles
ive used flamethrower and it crashed and after i joined once all i heard was start of personal drop pod and it crashed
it might be different crashes
im just annoyed its not giving me a crash report
if it helps at all or not my video card is an RTX 3080 ti plugged into a PCIE 4.0 x16
video card specs if that helps
are your drivers updated
yeah
and dont lie
hm okay i almost believe you



