rogue-core-chat

[verbal wolf]

I watched the stream, yeah.

[mossy ruin]

the most common enemy just crawls forward to you

was asking Jook

[verbal wolf]

Oh.

[faint aspen]

ah, yeah sorry I didn't have the time today

[mossy ruin]

ah, then it's understandable you don't know

[verbal wolf]

If you look at the cheats spawn menu, you'll see the Creeper has "Guardian" and "Warrior" variants.

It really is a Grunt.

[faint aspen]

yeah

I guess to me it just seems kind of odd with the new context that

they just spammed the equivalent of grunt guards moving at mach fuck in season 5 to the point ziplines are the only sane way to combat them

very power scaley sort of thing im not a fan of

[white quail]

I wonder if they'll even keep the base crawler enemy since it doesn't really fit into the horde shooter compad system they're going for

[mossy ruin]

it was there

stood together in a row with the rest

but I guess it will only appear on special occasions

[idle bison]

they probably overtuned them with the goal of making them seem like a threat that requires elite dwarves

[tall plume]

the whole point of them being in DRG is to tease Rogue Core and give you a taste of it

[verbal wolf]

The sweet taste of 5 billion Crawlers moving at Mach 5.

[idle bison]

I'm very intrigued by the decision to axe DRG enemies in rogue core

[faint aspen]

yeah, that's what im saying I don't like

I think it's kind of annoying

personally

I get having them be difficult but this is like

[verbal wolf]

I thought they'd at least have familiar enemies in the really early stages of the game befoee transitioning to the denizens of the deeper parts of Hoxxes.

[faint aspen]

throwing a bunch of nails/flashing lights in your eyes kind not anything actually intriguing when the solution is an angled line

[mossy ruin]

if they want to ambitiously make an entirely new roster of enemies, more power to them
I welcome this

[tall plume]

we got more and more powercreep over the years for the dwarves but people are still allergic to anything that appear like it could be a challenge, be it enemies or environment

[idle bison]

let's be fair here, crawlers really do not have a lot of counterplay

[faint aspen]

I'm not saying I'm "allergic to challenge" im saying it just seems very blunt in a
not creative way at all

[idle bison]

robots were challenging and fun

[mossy ruin]

stun, electricity, sludge, cryo, any form of slowdown

pheromones

[verbal wolf]

The Crawlers powercrept other enemies. They have the health of a Guard, damage of a Slasher, and move at 5 trillion kilometers per hour.

[tiny beacon]

corestones aren't that skill-based of a challenge. You can't track all of them to dodge every attack if you're good enough, you just have to avoid them

[faint aspen]

it'd be like instead of having turrets, shredders, patrol bots, and nems, you just spammed a shit load of patrol bots in a rival presence mission and left it at that

[verbal wolf]

But yeah just hold M1 with Cryo Driller and win.

[faint aspen]

It sort of makes me wonder how they'd be more manageable in RC besides being a rare enemy

since its "challenge" in DRG is just that there's like 30 of them at once

[mossy ruin]

or be one scouty boy with a crossbow, and pull most aggro on your own

[verbal wolf]

Or be Gunner.

[mossy ruin]

or be gunner

[tiny beacon]

they're a disruptive enemy, I would think they fill the role of a shellback best

[idle bison]

I don't think rogue core's gameplay loop is gonna be similar enough to DRG's for it to be compared so flatly

[verbal wolf]

I think the combat will be extremely comparable to DRG.

[mossy ruin]

well, it's just an fps horde shooter, the gamepley won't be that different probably

[tall plume]

that's the point

you're supposed to be killing the core stone fast, not the crawlers

[verbal wolf]

Core Stone is kind of a burst DPS check. You need to be able to kill it quickly.

[tiny beacon]

I could kill the core stone faster if I could dodge the crawlers based on sound cues and predictable consistent dodge movements

[faint aspen]

burst dps check but it has health gating that equates to sitting on good ol' zipline for the whole thing

It's not interesting or engaging is my point

I wouldn't mind the whole needing to avoid them as a much more problematic threat if it wasn't just

ctrl + v

but

I have confidence

that Rogue Core will be probably if not the definitive co-op rogue-like

since admittedly that isn't a very good genre for co-op since snowballing

GSG hasn't disappointed me yet

[idle bison]

it's gonna be awesome, I just hope they can deliver on solo play

[faint aspen]

Yes

[idle bison]

since I feel like there's still gonna be a lot of solo players

[faint aspen]

very important too imo

[idle bison]

and like I've said many a time before, DRG's solo play is not the best

[verbal wolf]

I hope Rogue Core has a massive amount of possible builds.

My low health teammates watching me throw a Bullet Hell Leadburster:

[tiny beacon]

my high health teammates watching me fumble a fat boy cluster grenade

[little lagoon]

Been catching up

It’s so peak

[oblique crow]

the new enemies look sooo goood

kinda wish they had old enemies come in sometimes tho, cus they said they wouldnt have them at all :(

would be cool if there was a special event where you had to fight glyphids

[old swift]

can't believe the stalker alone made gsg decide they never want to use a normal drg enemy again

[tall plume]

the devs told me they'll put the stalker in just for you though

since you love it that much

[old swift]

edgestalker will suffice

[ivory rover]

games looking so cool, new enemies especially

[verbal wolf]

Edgestalker does seem sufficiently annoying.

In DRG, "Core Spawn" is two separate words, but it seems that Rogue Core says "Corespawn" instead from what I can see.

[tiny beacon]

brood nexus seems to be coming back though

or equivalent. Two stationary enemies labed as spawners for two different species in the spawn menu

[verbal wolf]

One of them seems to spawn an enemy analogous to Exploders.

[native monolith]

You just randomly hear the stalker sound right in your ear

But it just does not exist and you never hear it again

Now that, would be comedy

[tiny beacon]

rogue core schizophrenic class

[slender oriole]

i really hope we get like ONE glyphid but its just a maggot. like, different to the normal maggots we see patrolling around in DRG, but noticably more glyphid-y

just to show how far removed we are from them down in the core

[native monolith]

Reminds me of the something wicked fake out https://youtu.be/DQ2T__Hpcn4?si=uDcrOAJQkKkLFYn-

If anyone here as played Ultrakill

[native monolith]

I do hope we get some neutral enemies

But because they’re core related they get really weird

Like lootbugs are super silly and whimsical to the point of causing an ethical dilemma

But image some sort of huge spider guy who just strides around the cave

They don’t care about you but it just makes you feel kinda uneasy

[frigid path]

They already have the perfect design for core lootbugs right here #announcements message

[oblique crypt]

Watching the Rouge Core enemy sections
HOLY HELL GSG COOKED

[idle bison]

same with acid spitter and acidspitter lol

[old swift]

scorcher seems like a kinda cool enemy

spitting grunt (that isn't spitting rockpox)

[earnest jay]

I love the new enemies, look interesting

[icy prawn]

Man it look beautiful and interesting, this might be the first time that i want to play a RogueLike

[thick jungle]

bro, Roguelikes are my favorite genre of games, & Deep Rock is my favorite game, I WILL LITERALLY EXPLODE when Rogue Core releases

[icy prawn]

I'm gonna BUSSSSSSSSS like the Bulk when it's out

[thin sparrow]

true

it would make sense

there is no way that all glyphids just cease to exist after a certain depth

it would be really cool if they were a rare enemy type

[royal axle]

Tbf there literally is a massive barrier seperating the rest of hoxxes from the core

[warm grove]

If we dont get minigun we gotta get a riot shield

I wana bonk and mag dump things

Train horn.mp3 Core spawn death sounds.mp3

[sinful yew]

Are dwarves from rogue core differs from drg ones?

[dusty schooner]

Yes

[sinful yew]

I haven't noticed any difference between them in footage that was shown yesterday, yes it is alpha, but a bit concerned about it

[gaunt ingot]

theyre supposed to be distinct, theyre just using placeholders right now

[sinful yew]

That's good

[gaunt ingot]

their voices will not be different though it seems

just different personalities and vibes

[sinful yew]

What about mission contor?

Will we have the same?

[gaunt ingot]

theres no information on mission control

[sinful yew]

Or greedy texan 😂

[gaunt ingot]

wario will be rogue core's mission control

[sinful yew]

Wission control

Because he is winner

And every mission with him is immediate success

[royal axle]

Having good ol Mission Control would be cool
He deserves taking care of an elite squad instead of some goobers like he usually does

[calm yoke]

Meanwhile there's me, planning to make a slayer cosplay build seeking glorious death in melee.

[storm mountain]

as of right now we have the same good ol mission control

[verbal wolf]

Mission Control is cheating on the DRG miners with the Reclaimers.

[calm yoke]

Btw, was I the only one surprised to see pickaxing still be part of the game?

For some reason, based on the pitch of this game, I find it odd that these reclaimers are also on mining duty.

[storm mountain]

all dwarves mine, its in their nature

[calm yoke]

Plus, of the 2 classes revealed so far, mobility is not a core aspect at all.

Fighting seems the core aspect of this game, so mining almost seems like an after thought atm.

[simple cloak]

You mine expenite to spend on upgrades

[finite obsidian]

You're joking now.... but

[pure vessel]

Uncanny guess

[pure vessel]

OR is it?!

[royal axle]

I want 2 Mission Controls

And they keep talking over each other because there has been a mix-up on who actually got assigned to the reclaimers

[pure vessel]

I'll note this in my book of cool ideas

[verbal wolf]

It's Mission Control's evil brother, Mission Chaos, who is blue instead of green.

[royal axle]

Add character development where they say the same line when announcing a boss

Actually, I think I'm thinking of Davis and Droz from Titanfall 2

Something that'd be fun for rogue core would be upgrades that mix and match the effects from other weapons
Like the minigun laying down sticky flames, for example

[woeful pond]

what is rogue core?

is a new ghost ship game?

or an update for drg?

[royal axle]

DRG roguelike spinoff game

Currently being developed, they actually showed some stuff about it yesterday on stream

[verbal wolf]

It's kind of like DRG but there's a bird in it.

[royal axle]

Isn't that a flying turtle?

[elder rapids]

i can't wait to see or hear about how the core biome bleeds into the other biomes

[elder rapids]

also damn, he has to manage both combat miners and reclaimers!? man's just never gonna be able to sleep huh?

[oblique crow]

Maybe they come in through the portals that the corestone opens up to let corespawn through in the main game

[median sleet]

It's why he gets drunk in DRG:S

[elder rapids]

fair, i just feel bad because homie's just getting 0 sleep at this point trying to manage 2 different factions of alcoholic psychopaths

[native monolith]

The idea that Mission Control is working with like dozens of teams constantly and then there’s like maybe a tenth of the amount of active reclaimers, but somehow they still keep mixing up assignments is really funny to me

Mission Control needs a raise

[feral palm]

The reclaimers are so neat

I like how they're the elite dwarf team and get all the cool tech and abilities

Also the footage of the slicer looked SO cool

However I love birds so I will eternally be a falconeer main when the game comes out

[floral jetty]

Melee builds might become a legitimate playstyle

[feral palm]

The team dynamics are gonna be so sick

[native monolith]

The only thing I’m a little sad about is it seems so far that they have a very similar if not same personality

I love the mining dwarves but it would be cool to see a different culture, which, they were talking about in the stream so they will probably mould it some more

[feral palm]

I do hope they're a bit more unique, the games gonna be cooking for I think 2 more years(?) Before release so it'll have a lot more time for all the fine details

[native monolith]

Yeah it’s the pre alpha

I really doubt they won’t tweak the voice lines

[tall plume]

yeah, even the dwarf "models" are currently placeholders

[feral palm]

True

The game already looks neat and it's in somewhat early development

[native monolith]

That’s one thing I’m really excited about

The game is super early in development and it’s already looking amazing

The art is fantastic, enemies are really cool

[feral palm]

The enemies look so cool

[native monolith]

Upgrade systems are good

[feral palm]

Especially the flying ones

[feral palm]

I love how it's incorporating the mining into getting upgrades

That's so cool

[native monolith]

Yeah

It’s like the gold rush system

From wayyyy back in early drg

[feral palm]

Yuh

[native monolith]

All the way back to dwarka really

One thing that I hope gets added to the enemies is something like how the glyphids scream

It’s both a good feature as you can try to rush and punish said enemy but also is just really cool environmentally

You are, in no short terms, really pissing off the locals lol

[feral palm]

True

[robust nova]

I'm hoping for more enemies thats just eldritch horrors beyond mortal comprehension. Those warp spawn crawlers things from the main game creep me the hell out and I love it lol

[royal axle]

From what they've shown recently, they're delivering on that

[celest viper]

Rogue core my beloved

[old raven]

the edgewalker is pretty creepy ngl

uncannily fast and perfectly mobile for something that's built like a virus killer

[vocal jewel]

i want more of the flying fish looking stuff they look cool as hell

subnautica vibes

[tiny beacon]

there was one of that type listed as an augmenter in the spawn menu which interested me

flying warden or something more unique

[summer ferry]

I just watched the announcements and, honestly it has me quite worried for how its gonna turn out

The two classes are cool, I am so glad we have a melee class thingy finally

But, it reminds me Too much of drg.. like- you mine with your pickaxe, your deposit it, there are just reskinned grunts-

I'm worried its going to be too similar to deep rock, and the 2 year wait would have been a waste of time for something that could have been a DLC for deep rock itself- an Overwatch 2 situation

[tiny beacon]

it was meant to be a DRG season but split off because of programming issues. It's always going to be heavily related to DRG, but the core loop is different

[mossy ruin]

idk how they could've ever implemented rouge lite elements into drg

[summer ferry]

Yes I know that.. agh

[mossy ruin]

also reminder that a lot of the models are placeholders for now

[summer ferry]

Its not the models i'm talking about though sadly enough

i'm not gonna judge them because they are placeholders

[mossy ruin]

well, it's still an fps horde shooter game

where you kite and shoot

[summer ferry]

and mine, and deposit

The new models are wonderful, the animations are great on the new enemies- but some of them are like, copy and pastes of DRG enemies mechanically

[tiny beacon]

swapping between combat and mining is still a thing, yes, but the larger picture on a run is different to DRG's missions

it will play differently on that scale but they said they weren't ready to be showing that part yet

[summer ferry]

Honestly, so far from what I've seen(assuming placeholders will be replaced obviously)

I probably won't buy it :(

I've been super excited since day 1 announcement, but this stuff just dampens my hopes sadly, maybe I got my hopes too high

[tall plume]

I'm not sure why you'd ve worried about the entire game on the basis that it looks like DRG, especially when 80% of it is still placeholders asset.

[summer ferry]

If you read any of what I said Ser, then you'd know that's not what I'm talking about <:)

it looks like it will Mechanically be very similar to DRG, not visually, I am not judging what it is visually besides for actually finished enemy assets

Right now I think it looks more like a DRG mod than a whole new game

not just visually

[olive narwhal]

Im liking what im seeing but i can't have a full opinion till i know what the core game play loop will be

[summer ferry]

Well yeah ofc

I think anyone having a full opinion on it atm is stupid

I'm just worried that I got my hopes up

[tiny beacon]

you seem to have developed a pretty rigid opinion on it yourself

the core loop it's using is solid, it works for DRG and will work for RC; the big difference lies in what's in place of mission objectives and loadouts

[summer ferry]

I'm willing to change my opinion, as soon as someone says smth I agree with and actually reads what I'm saying

Obviously the game isn't done, and I am very open to hearing out anyone who has different opinions than me, I Want to be hyped for this game, I've been a huge fan of DRG since it came out.

[tiny beacon]

I did read what you're saying

[summer ferry]

Others haven't

bleghhhh

[tiny beacon]

they said when asked that they weren't yet ready to show what the larger objective of each run looks like, presumably because with all these placeholders it's not that finished

[summer ferry]

I'm hopeful! But anxious

Cautiously optimistic I think is the right term

[tiny beacon]

it's also likely the part that would take the most work, alongside whatever they had to completely rework to get loadouts to change mid-mission which I know is something DRG can't actually do in a stable manner

probably where a good bit of time went

[tall plume]

Too different and people will complain. Not different enough and people will complain. There's no winning.

[summer ferry]

True!

[tall plume]

For what it's worth, it's still DRG so it makes sense to reuse the same rig

[summer ferry]

I think people who want "game we already have but roguelite" are dumb, because we already Have deep rock, why would I want a less developed, focus splitting, extra game that is "Very similar to that other thing but we changed a few things"

I don't want Overwatch 2, I want a new game because why would I want a game we already have Had 😭

It is the financially safe option to just remake the same game with the same formula and sell it again, but that's also the greedy big corporation move which puts me off AAA games

[tiny beacon]

overwatch 2 was meant to be a different game but reworked into a repeat of its predecessor

GSG doesn't have whatever pressure caused that

[summer ferry]

They promised big things, they broke their promises, its worse than its predecessor

[summer ferry]

Again, I have a lot more faith in GSG than blizzard

[olive narwhal]

For what its worth working on this project is doing the devs some good

[summer ferry]

I truly hope so

I've been wanting them to take a break for a long while

i just hope the pressure to "release another game but better than the 1st" isn't weighing on them too hard :(

Ik it would weigh on me for sure

[tall plume]

This is a gross overexaggeration. The only thing it's taking from DRG is the main rig, the art and the universe of DRG.
There's some gameplay similarities, and those are familiar elements for people who played DRG but it stops there.

The core gameplay loop isn't even finished and it's already looking different (beyond the basic "dive in, mine, dive out")

ammo management and the way you build is already different

it's too early to say how wild the gameplay itself will be with the upgrades we'll get but the sky is the limit now that they cut themselves off it being a DRG expansion and they can go wild

[summer ferry]

I don't want another "Dive in, mine, get out" game, I want to break the formula :(

[tiny beacon]

the class system seems more freeing for them. I think it's four people to choose what support and traversal tools they want, get the right mix in, whereas the actual classes can be expanded and added to

[summer ferry]

I think this is nice

it also shows that new "weapons" will benefit everyone, unlike how it is in DRG, where only that one Class gets it

[tiny beacon]

yeah they can add new weapons to the pool without having to make them four at a time

[summer ferry]

I think the weapon build system has flaws, but it is still really nice difference to how things are in DRG, same with the classes!

[tall plume]

the whole universe is currently focused on what DRG do as a company, and what they do is mine planets with the help of dwarves.
No matter how they twist the gameplay, it was always going to be this way.

It's a pretty safe bet for them to take something that worked and expand on it in a very different way

[tiny beacon]

given rogue core's origin as a DRG season it would be pretty difficult to completely twist it into something different and make a decent product. Plus inheriting the terrain system is a massive boon that it would be hard to use better than with the mining theme

[tall plume]

It doesn't stop GSG from making other and wildly different games in the future that has nothing to do with the universe of DRG ( or expand it beyond the scope of the company - but then it's not really DRG anymore either)

[summer ferry]

At least we could have had Drills instead of Pickaxes for gods sake :(

or some kind of terraformer tool

[tall plume]

We've seen almost nothing so far

[mossy ruin]

drills are a pickable traversal tools

[summer ferry]

but we get the same charge attacks, the same grunts, Molly but slightly different agh

[tall plume]

there's so much they can do

[tiny beacon]

actually I didn't see them using power attacks

[tall plume]

Where in DRG they wouldn't give us new movement tool because they wanted the tools and classes to be "set in stone", there's none of this problem on Rogue Core

[summer ferry]

the Bio Booster shows it

[tall plume]

They can go wild

give us a teleporter, a bouncing platform, what have you

[summer ferry]

"Increased charge attack recharge speed by 25%"

[tall plume]

all of those are possible in RC

[tiny beacon]

the zipline fire pole at last

[tiny beacon]

ah, I had missed that

[summer ferry]

and this is what I am most excited about! same with the enemy designs!

I think it has So much potential

That's why I am so worried it won't live up to things, I've been so hyped for it and many other games have failed me time and time again, having Big potential only to squander it for safe and easy cash

[tiny beacon]

I'm also quite excited about the environment. This core biome they talked about and the way it and its creatures are so eldritch and different is fascinating

particularly that moving barrier they went through in the trailer

[summer ferry]

Exactly!! I love this idea compared to the comedy aspect of DRG

[tall plume]

there's nothing safe and easy into making a new game when they could just be milking DRG with updates and DLCs

[summer ferry]

You could say the same thing about overwatch 2...

[tall plume]

overwatch 2 isn't a new game

[summer ferry]

It was advertised as one

maybe even planned to be one

[tall plume]

it's fucking BLIZZARD

[summer ferry]

Ser, why do you so strongly disagree with my opinions-akaksdf

[tall plume]

"You guys don't have phone ?"

[summer ferry]

Am I supposed to have 100% full faith in GSG to deliver?? Just like how I had high hopes for the last dozen games that promised big things?

[mossy ruin]

well, no

[summer ferry]

Then why are people on my ass about it hten

[olive narwhal]

Thats what drg is missing a phone port

[summer ferry]

Drg survivor:

[olive narwhal]

Not on phone

[tall plume]

because comparing it to Overwatch 2 is wild

[summer ferry]

it should be tbh

[olive narwhal]

Separate genre just straight up port drg to phone

[summer ferry]

It has the potential to be great, but it also has the potential to be almost as bad as Overwatch 2

i'm just being realistic

[olive narwhal]

And then rogue core can finally be on mobile

I don't think even if they do mess up it will be anywhere near overwatch 1.5

[tiny beacon]

you do seem really fixated on what happened with overwatch 2

[olive narwhal]

But thats my opinion much like your opinion

[summer ferry]

well,,, at least overwatch 2 was Free ☠️

[tall plume]

Ovewatch 2 is literally just overwatch 1 with paid skin instead of free skin, and free to play model

instead of lootboxes and a tag price.
Supposedly there was PvE - which was the big promise they gave for it - but they nuked it.

Rogue Core is in alpha and already has a different gameplay from DRG.
The comparison doesn't even stand.

[summer ferry]

okay dude

[summer ferry]

its the only recent example that comes to mind

but literally throughout my entire life companies promise, delay, and then never deliver

I'd literally have to be insane to not be anxious?

GSG is my single favorite studio

[tall plume]

The fact that you have absolutely no sense of nuance is pretty insane by itself, if you ask me

[summer ferry]

that's why I pray it will be good, I pray that my anxiety is wrong! But its realistic to be anxious when you have high hopes for a game

[tall plume]

it's either black or white I guess

[summer ferry]

I tried speaking like that, and then you couldn't understand what I was saying dude-

[twilit token]

remember that it wont even be a full release for a while, and I have full confidence that GSG plans on listening to feedback

[summer ferry]

I agree with this!! That is the whole reason I came on here to talk about this at all adjkfkas

I hope me expressing my fears for the games future can hopefully somehow help the devs keep it off that path

You're allowed to disagree with my fears, but that doesn't make me crazy for having them blehhh,c an't have opinion on the internet 🧟‍♀️

I love roguelites, I love deep rock, I hope for the best, I worry for the worst

[olive narwhal]

The primary friction point was the immediately jumping to it potentially being a ow2 situation

[summer ferry]

I'm not saying it'll be as bad as ow2, just a similar let down if it Does turn out that way :(

[olive narwhal]

It was just a wierd comparison

[summer ferry]

The early teasers for ow2 were very cool, unique, and fun looking, and look where it is now

[summer ferry]

sorry I don't have any other examples on me rn 🧟‍♀️

I just don't want to be letdown

[olive narwhal]

Which is understandable

[summer ferry]

:(

[tall plume]

I don't think anybody want to be letdown

[summer ferry]

well, maybe i'm just more anxious of it being a possibility than others- which is good because I am mentally ill- klsdakjsdf

I'm glad y'all don't worry as much as I do

[olive narwhal]

I understand its pretty hard to be let down in if your expectations are already pretty low

[delicate flax]

what why are we comparing blizzard to gsg?

[tall plume]

I don't have reasons to worry, GSG haven't disappointed me so far 🤷‍♂️

[delicate flax]

only one is a incompetent triple a company

[summer ferry]

we aren't?

I specifically said blizzard is much worse

[delicate flax]

then who was

[tall plume]

it's like being worried about what From Software is gonna make in the future when everything they've made in the last 14 years has been nothing but huge hits

I don't have reasons for that

[summer ferry]

they were bought out by sony

[delicate flax]

not yet

they made a offer

[summer ferry]

oooo i thought it happened

[delicate flax]

offtopic anyway

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[tall plume]

From Software hasn't been bought by Sony, they're still their very own boss

[delicate flax]

you can always say no to being bought out

[tall plume]

As long as they're not in the stock market, they can yeah

[summer ferry]

this is true for every game studio, and yet they still manage to sell out eventually(the others I had placed my faith in) 😭

[tall plume]

I hope it will stay that way

[olive narwhal]

If from soft gets bought the studio will be shutdown after 1 game like all the recent buys

[summer ferry]

which would be a massive dissapointment to me, and I haven't even played their games :(

[olive narwhal]

Gsg does atleast have autonomy from its parent company

[summer ferry]

thats true

[olive narwhal]

So atleast for now they are not at whims of keeping the stockmarket happy i can atleast be happy that rogue core is game that they want to make rather than be forced to make

[summer ferry]

Very True!!!

I don't think its likely the game flops, but the thing about anxiety is that it is always about the "What if" :(

[maiden cobalt]

Has there been information on the state of rouge core coming to console?

I saw the Livestream

[summer ferry]

not from what i've seen, but I'd hope so

[olive narwhal]

Likely after 1.0

[maiden cobalt]

That's my guess as well but I was curious if a dev slipped something in

[olive narwhal]

Early access tends to be a pain on consoles

[maiden cobalt]

Love the overlord pfp

[twilit token]

and from what I understand it might not run on last-gen consoles since they've upgraded to UE5

[tall plume]

Early Access on console is usually a no-no because of the 2 week validation process for every update

[twilit token]

I could be wrong though

[olive narwhal]

Well i mean xbox one and ps4 already don't run drg great from what i have heard

[maiden cobalt]

Sad I don't fully understand the process but it must be difficult

[olive narwhal]

Steams pretty easy cause they can just push the update out

Which is good for early access and probably the closed alpha next year

[maiden cobalt]

There fine but not crazy h5+ old gen is difficult new gen zero problems and no hiccups even with aggressive and temp shock or plasma burster missiles on series x

[twilit token]

which reminds me,
pleaseGSGletmebeapartoftheclosedalpha

[maiden cobalt]

😂

[olive narwhal]

And i think rogue cores cave gen is getting more complex also

Consoles already have different cave gen to steam on base drg

[maiden cobalt]

I just hope there's a place for competitive gamers in rouge core an equivalentcy to h5+

[olive narwhal]

Its supposed to be fairly hard

[twilit token]

and they already take three years to load

[maiden cobalt]

Supposed to

Like was said in the dev stream the amount of assistance is dependant on skill for completion. The speed running is probably going to be ignore eavrything go forward witch is sad. Gameplay looks great though but I'm worried about cheese

[olive narwhal]

They did say that completing a run with out upgrades would he impossible if not really hard(some people will probably still manage it)

[tall plume]

"competitive" ?

[maiden cobalt]

Really excited from a I love breaking things standpoint and it looks great! I'm excited for the classes to!

[maiden cobalt]

Something for veterans for when the hard feels like easy where you can make teamwork matters.

In risk of rain or gunfire reborn you run into problems with 1 player is all that matters and that's the same way drg is

[tiny beacon]

probably the same style of thing that DRG has - do some self-imposed challenges, maybe modifiers depending on how that system ends up if at all

[tall plume]

Rogue Core is going to be harder than DRG

[tall plume]

Risk of Rain isn't a multiplayer game so that'd be why

[olive narwhal]

Its generous to call ror2 multiplayer, coop

[tiny beacon]

luck based rewards it could be easier by pure chance

[summer ferry]

I hope they have LONG runs that are like, 10-12 stages, and can be "Saved and continued" inbetween stages

[tall plume]

it's a solo game with a multiplayer mode, but the core of the game is still solo

[maiden cobalt]

Witch I'm excited for! I hope it has higher difficulties is all I meant

[maiden cobalt]

I might be misunderstanding but it allows friends to play

[olive narwhal]

Rogue core is being designed around coop rather than being an after thought

[summer ferry]

yes it does

up to 4

At least Ror2 and Rorr

[maiden cobalt]

I'm worried that one player could be disruptive to the co op aspects

[tall plume]

Rogue Core is designed for being a co-op game.
Risk of Rain is designed as a solo game, even though it has the possiblity of playing it multiplayer

[maiden cobalt]

Gotcha thanks for explaining

[olive narwhal]

I need to find that thing from the dev yesterday

#rogue-core-chat message

[maiden cobalt]

One skilled player could run around and only be forced to slow when the team needs to upgrade. It could force co op but then it would be infuriating for a player who wasn't dieing however if a player could run forward with no team it would also be unfun

[olive narwhal]

The message link is some fun points if they do stay true to promote coop

[maiden cobalt]

I'm worried about the situation where a scout grapples for 15 minutes revives no one and completes the mission by them selves then leaves sorta senecios or a single player killing eavrything to the point no one else matters

[summer ferry]

If you don't work together you will die

Gives me hope the game will be actually challenging :)))

[maiden cobalt]

Definitely

[summer ferry]

I love EDD's, so it'd be awesome if there is a similar equivalent in RC

[olive narwhal]

You are locked out of team upgrades while people are down

[summer ferry]

so what you're saying is, if I try to play with my friends who suck at drg I'm gonna be constantly nerfed and held back because of them, more than in drg? :(

[tiny beacon]

untethering traversal tools and thus giving everyone the possibility of the grapple - and also the ability for someone to try to pull that without the safety net that the flare gun gives them which would be funny - means they kind of have to make the enemies just kill you for it

[olive narwhal]

I guess

[maiden cobalt]

To be clear my hope is we will get an easy, medium, hard, rouge1,2,3,4,5 ect difficulty system and get like 3* enemies but half HP or other simer modifiers.

[olive narwhal]

Will have to see how the class abilitys help with that

[summer ferry]

I hope we get a "Simple, Normal, Hard, Extremely overkill" difficulty options

[maiden cobalt]

That's my concern

[frozen panther]

so, is there no mid join planned and have every mission like a deep dive or how is that planned?

[maiden cobalt]

You can't upgrade unless all player are next to the mule

No downed players

[olive narwhal]

But while illis is ready for an upgrade it is still movable

[mossy ruin]

well, if you friends are worse at the game, consider lowering the difficulty so that everyone has fun

[olive narwhal]

Its not locked in place

[maiden cobalt]

Also a infinite or loop option

[tall plume]

can't be worse than Roboquest, where you lose half your HP to get your buddy up

[summer ferry]

Infinite with exponentially scaling up enemies would be pretty awesome

[olive narwhal]

This was a concern that was bought up

[frozen panther]

one i had thought of while watching the vod

[maiden cobalt]

How would you feel if you had to baby someone in order to play with them for the rest of your life on a game... You would have to make friends who would play in higher difficulties or nerf yourself/ handicap for the rest of your playtime

[olive narwhal]

Be not concerned it is movable

[maiden cobalt]

Definitely!!!

[olive narwhal]

Illis also looks like they will be less prone to pushing you of cliffs

[tiny beacon]

scaling by number hopefully because health scaling just feels terrible to play

[maiden cobalt]

Yup but still concerning. What if a grapple player falls in a hole no one can get to or a player runs of and dies in a bad location? Kick them??? Doesn't feel great

[tiny beacon]

though perhaps with endless damage upgrades it would be more managable but it doesn't work that well in DRG

[mossy ruin]

you still have drills

[summer ferry]

I'd be worried about about scaling by pure number because the game might melt my pc lol

[tall plume]

the fact that it is flying probably helps

[maiden cobalt]

Very excited for Ellis

[olive narwhal]

I do like how illis is prospectory

Is it ellis or illis i don't remember

[frozen panther]

finally learnt from the rival gear

[olive narwhal]

The reclaimers really did get the better equipment that drg had

[vagrant scaffold]

@desert sinew @shell wolf This is not a complete list but it's a quick rundown which is what you guys wanted.

- Mission flow: your drop pod lands onto the outskirts of an overtaken DRG facility, you progress through it going deeper and deeper, until you find an Elevator to get you out. The maps are not infinite, there's a win condition ("Facility reclaimed"). There's events, there's boss fights.
- No nitra: you get ammo via ammo crates. There is red sugar. There is a mechanism where all dwarves in the team take turns to pick 1 upgrade from those available at the crate.
- Classes: they showed 2 new ones, one is a melee class meant to clear trash, another is an engi/gunner mix which has a combat drone (multiplayer Bosco?).
- Random stuff: there'll be mutators/warnings for the runs, there'll be a closed alpha, and the game release is planned for Q4 2025.
- I honestly don't remember enough of the bestiary.```

I trust everyone else here will just add what I've missed.

[desert sinew]

Kay ty, early 2025 then.... gotta wait a bit more XD

[maiden cobalt]

Q4 2025

Late 2025

[desert sinew]

X_X

[median sleet]

What if they gave the Falconeer 2 hawks instead and we called them hawk one and hawk two

[tiny beacon]

I like how they really did just go 'hey what's a good class idea? Eh we'll give 'em Bosco on a cooldown'

[mossy ruin]

I would add that all weapons are gotten on site, you enter only with your pickaxe
and the upgrade system: mine expendite to have elly dispense upgrades for the entire team

the order of picking the upgrades switches, and you want to have everyone pick upgrades which are synergistic for them

[median sleet]

I hope I am the first one who made that joke so no one else has to make it again

[maiden cobalt]

I hope that will be part of class upgrades

[vagrant scaffold]

https://youtu.be/SZdq9fLe7yM?t=5095

Also here's a timestamp to the part where they show pre alpha gameplay.

[maiden cobalt]

Or maybe a legendary upgrade gives 2 charges instead of 1

[vagrant scaffold]

What if they finally do this for the Beast Master perk.

[maiden cobalt]

Love that idea!!!

[vagrant scaffold]

3 or 4 Steeves would be too much but 2 would be okay.

[frozen panther]

4*2=8

[native monolith]

if you want the bestiary, watched through the stream again to sum up the enemies

corespawn creeper: weak version of the corespawn crawler, scuttles towards dwarves and attempts to melee them. Doesnt appear to have any special abilities.

corespawn creeper: same enemy from drg (slightly larger); retreats from dwarves and jumps in to slash them, weakpoint is hidden until stunned or attacking, leaves behind damaging goo on death.

corespawn scorcher: ranged enemy, shoots out a fire blob (almost like a mix of an acid spitter and a septic spreader). Also only reveals weakpoint when attacking and taunting(?)

corespawn clamorhead: big slow enemy with a role similar to the praetorian, weakpoint below "head" on the neck (also another reveal when screaming) has a sonic like scream attack (that probably just does damage, but seems to be broken; no shield damaged affect was shown when they got it).

corespawn edgestalker: long ranged strafing enemy that shoots a barrage of 3-5(?) projectiles; attempts to stay away from the dwarves but will get more agressive when behind or flanking the dwarves. Weakpoint always shown on top of the head.

rafkan thrasher: different family, flying whale like enemy that tries to ram the dwarves before disengaging to attack again; weakpoints to the sides.

rafkan rammer: bigger version of the thrasher; stronger and larger, same behavior but when charging now mines through terrain to reach the dwarves, and knocks them away upon hit.

[vagrant scaffold]

Based, thank you.

[native monolith]

cant post images, here, one second

[olive narwhal]

The dev had god mode nothing was doing damage tbf

[native monolith]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1166496590672953428/1309574950885003424/image.png?ex=67421437&is=6740c2b7&hm=17df1cf01ba791001ba038d2ed5a3ac0e6e0bc4cf42b8e0d72010f4aedeafe1f&=&format=webp&quality=lossless&width=1440&height=304

here is the debug spawn menu

[native monolith]

well, one thing i noticed was the affects still happened

when they got hit

but it didnt seem to happen for the sonic wave?

[willow flame]

the crawler looks much larger than in drg

[native monolith]

might just be broken but maybe it does something unrelated to damage

[native monolith]

true

[olive narwhal]

Probably incomplete then which is expected

[native monolith]

yeah

[willow flame]

and the flashlight creates shadows

[native monolith]

it would be cool if maybe it pushes you back or something

[olive narwhal]

Although it is interesting to note the clamorhead weakpoint is below the head so you have to kinda put yourself in danger for it

[native monolith]

yeah

[olive narwhal]

Opposite of a prae

[native monolith]

they never shot it but im wondering if the opened head is also a weakpoint?

[willow flame]

maybe UE5?

[olive narwhal]

It is in UE5 yeah

[willow flame]

Oh

[olive narwhal]

They elected to make the jump was apparently relatively painless minus all the stuff that broke

[olive narwhal]

It does seem to be a theme of the enemies

[native monolith]

yeah

[native monolith]

that usually happens lol

its pretty expected, im glad it went well besides migration problems

[olive narwhal]

Was mostly the programmer's problems

[willow flame]

will there be more news?

[native monolith]

"as we progress were now more willing and open to sharing our development"

i remember hearing that somewhere in the stream

so yes :D

[willow flame]

hehe

[olive narwhal]

Probably eventually at some point but refer to the roadmap for other info

[native monolith]

i hope we get more below the decks

[olive narwhal]

I probably wouldn't expect more news outside of below the decks for a bit

But this chat is now more than "the core is rogue"

[vagrant scaffold]

btw. I don't know how often the devs read this channel but here's a suggestion for Rogue Core.

In DRG, you can see/hear all enemies coming right away because they all have their audio cues. Ditch that completely for RC. Keep us on the edge of our seats at all times, not knowing when we're gonna get ambushed.

[olive narwhal]

The sound cues are kinda important for making not frustrating or unfair game design unfortunately

[tiny beacon]

notably creeper doesn't have face armor. Were I to compare them to grunts they move their weakpoint around a lot more but still otherwise act similarly

[olive narwhal]

The creeper does have its guard and slasher equivalents

[tiny beacon]

we didn't see them in action yet but yes

[vagrant scaffold]

It's how horror works in games, sometimes you need to take people completely off guard.

Also, being taken by surprise doesn't equal being teamwiped.

[tiny beacon]

horror in games is stronger when you can hear something coming and know that it's a challenge that will send you back. Even if something that can be overcome

[olive narwhal]

Alien isolation moment

I mean silence is cool but i do like how they are sounding

[vagrant scaffold]

DRG moment when Mission Control announces a random dreadnought and you're playing with greenbeards who WILL go down on it.

[sleek swallow]

man so many people miss this (I hate ror2 multiplayer)

[tall plume]

RoR2 multiplayer sucks

people can literally pick up all the items and when you die, you die for the whole stage on a game that scales with you picking up items

the whole design goes against being a multiplayer game

it's really just a tacked on feature

[native monolith]

ok so, some speculation on the debug list enemies: (T = testing, B = basic, D = disruptive, S = stationary)

(T) corespawn clammer and creeper elite: ok so, elite enemies; i would assume this is similar to the elite threat mutator, probably some experimentation with that stuff

(T) imp: uhh... no idea. a little guy who steals your precious minerals or something?

(T) spawnlord: no idea, a lord who spawns things

(T) spider exploder tank ghost corrupted: this is how i name internal things and trust me the only guy who knows what it is off of the name is the one who made it

(T) tallboy assaulter: probably an temp name for an enemy idea? some big guy similar to the oppressor?

(B) corespawn creeper warrior and guardian: enemy variants like the slashers and guards, probably

(B/D) shatterclaw swarmer and slammer: a third enemy family; not much to go off of besides their names

(D) rafkan augmentor: something similar to the warden? a flying warden sounds terrifying, im interested if it buffs only other rafkan or also other enemy families (if it does that)

(D) krizzok boomtick: probably explodes. Also fourth enemy family

(S) krizzok boomtick spawner: Now, this might be my most outlandish theory, but i think it spawns krizzok boomticks. Also oh god, a spawner that spawners exploding enemies

(S) fuglor vomiter: spitballer, is that you??

(S) rafkan augmentor spawner: a spawner that spawns a presumably buffer enemy... interesting

(S) wallmouth: uh... sideways cave leech? No idea

[vagrant scaffold]

Can we pet the wallmouth like it's a breather?

[native monolith]

i hope so...

[vagrant scaffold]

I can see the memes already LMAO.

[native monolith]

oh one more thing: there is another box that is labeled bosses but it is blocked by the camera. my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined.

[tall plume]

doubtful, they said there will be no neutral creature

meaning everything is an enemy

[native monolith]

oh, damn

no neutral creatures huh?

i kinda hope that changes, i love neutral creatures in drg. They add a lot to the environment

[vagrant scaffold]

Oh right. Something about "there's no glyphids down there for a reason".

[willow flame]

they said that the cave leeches would be different

[native monolith]

though, if they go for the "everything wants to kill you" style thats cool to

[sleek swallow]

this isn't a fun safari out in the wild to watch animals

[native monolith]

oh god

the sideways cave leech is real

[sleek swallow]

you will DIE

[tiny beacon]

also boss enemies tab with only one entry hidden behind the facecam

[native monolith]

ok i think im keeping my theory on the imp though

a guy who steals your minerals is an enemy in my books

[native monolith]

were so close, yet so far

[tiny beacon]

spider exploder tank ghost corrupted makes me think of the unknown horror from haunted cave mutators

[olive narwhal]

Don't worry we will probably still have

[vagrant scaffold]

They said it'll be noticeably more difficult if you come from playing Haz 3/4. I wonder if it'll be 5+ tier difficulty.

[native monolith]

i was thinking that too

but also the name is just too buzzwordy to really get anything from it but maybe theyre usiing the unknown horror as a base

actually

[willow flame]

so as not to condemn solo players to death

[native monolith]

does anyone know the unknown horrors internal name

[native monolith]

oh that makes sense

tahts nice actually

bosco is not good at killing them lol

[olive narwhal]

Think its pretty similar

[native monolith]

if its exactly the same then the theory is solid id say

[olive narwhal]

I mean a praes weakpoint is tank ass

[tiny beacon]

given so little is known about the unknown horror lore-wise they could do anything with it in RC. It fits with the eldritch theme too

[native monolith]

i love that one lol

[native monolith]

yeah

im really happy theyre scrapping the glyphids actually

a fresh enemy palette for them to play around with new synergies and styles is gonna be fun

the idea of a spawner spawning what is presumably a flying buffing enemy is both really cool and actual nightmare fuel

[tiny beacon]

I think it would be funny if the spawners are still brood nexuses. Irritating little species doing what it does best

[native monolith]

that would be really funny actually

[willow flame]

nightmare fuel ( DST moment)

[native monolith]

"man, its nice to be away from those damn brood nexuses spawning swarmers all th- why is that corespawn creeper green"

[lofty garden]

gogglebox moment

[willow flame]

didn't watch)

[feral palm]

The 4 capacity boomstick in the trailer was cursed

Not trailer

Gameplay showcase

[native monolith]

I’m guessing they took a mag size increase upgrade

But yeah it’s on the same level as 6 shooter having 4 chambers lol

[feral palm]

It said it had a capacity increase yes

Calling it a magazine is a crime though

🐟

Me shoving 2 shells into each barrel (I'm doubling my capacity)

[native monolith]

Hey the game does like the same thing

Mag, clip, shells, “ammo”

All tell you the same thing

[delicate spoke]

Molly rework no wayy

[native monolith]

Some sort of flying thing that stings

[native monolith]

They didn’t put guns on molly, but they gave her wings

Must be all the glyphid slammers (dwarven redbull)

[delicate spoke]

We need that in DRG

[feral palm]

Nah

[delicate spoke]

[feral palm]

I love molly

[delicate spoke]

Slow ass gets in the way

But we miss her on extraction missions

[median sleet]

Molly dies in Rogue Core

[vagrant scaffold]

No Molly equivalent in RC?

[mossy ruin]

there is

[native monolith]

She is replaced with a flying drone by the name of…

[mossy ruin]

Molly is dead
long live Elly

[native monolith]

I forgot

Elly that’s it

”Youre as solid as a peanut butter and jelly, elly!”

[vagrant scaffold]

Must've missed it, did they show her on the last stream?

[native monolith]

Yup

[vagrant scaffold]

Nice.

[native monolith]

Sometime during the upgrade section

[vagrant scaffold]

Can't wait for the core-corrupted Betsy.

[native monolith]

I doubt drg is stupid enough to send down more

Actually isn’t it said that the Betsy model was discontinued after the… charge sucker incidents

[vagrant scaffold]

They're stupid enough to send Reclaimers with no weapons so...

[native monolith]

Nah, the reclaimers are just that good

[mossy ruin]

the green barrier rejects all high tech stuff from coming inside

so they have to scavenge for equipment on site

[vagrant scaffold]

(Elly gets a free pass)

[mossy ruin]

yeah, idk what that is about, maybe it'll be explained

[tall plume]

I think Elly is the machine that allow dwarves to get through in the first place

[vagrant scaffold]

Can't wait for my new smart device wife.

[main hinge]

Elly is built different (literally)

[main hinge]

What qualifies as “high tech”

[mossy ruin]

idk

but apparently all weapons do

[main hinge]

No wonder why it fell into disrepair if they can’t bring tools in

[terse pagoda]

I wonder how it works

[feral palm]

Elly my beloved

[tiny beacon]

apparently they could bring tools in, I think it's just reclaimer teams that can't

the greyout doesn't let them enter, probably they get somehow detected entering and hunted immediately, I dunno

[frozen panther]

ammo usually refers to total ammo, everything else refers to cost per shot or ammo before reload

[median sleet]

Why don't we just store some weapons in elly then?

[viral blaze]

I’m very emotionally distraught and I’m drunk on oily oafs and I have a gun

[steel hearth]

Except the class abilities I guess

[hollow bear]

Getting serious deja vu

[sly swift]

gigafly lost

[terse pagoda]

Do someone have link to yesterday trailer?

[calm yoke]

That's the official name?

[tiny beacon]

they said something along the lines of ellis or illis

no official spelling that I know of

[feral palm]

It's pinned

[vagrant scaffold]

I'm pretty sure I heard "Ellis".

Regardless of how it ends up being spelled.

[primal grotto]

man just have time to check out the video for rough core. but the military dwarf team?? sign me in.

hope we will have our new space-rig with deferent design

[vague orchid]

YIPPE ALPHA IS COMING TUES

or so i heard

[tall plume]

tues ?

[echo flicker]

i think they meant true?

[native monolith]

We just know that it’s happening at some point before q3 next hear (early access release)

[earnest birch]

I love how it seems they'll be leaning more in the horror and scary enemy design, reminds me of those other horror shooters like GTFO

I just hope the ping system will be as good as DRG is

[native monolith]

It is seemingly the exact same

[thin apex]

GSG where the music from the sneak peek 👁️

[eternal harbor]

I like new enemys design. I wish i could pet the big ones

Clamorhead my beloved

[summer tiger]

I like the humming that clamorhead is making

Generally the design of RC enemies so far is pretty cool

[paper schooner]

Glad you like it 👍

[paper schooner]

I don't understand the question.

[tall plume]

I think they want the OST from the "trailer"

[atomic jacinth]

i personally wanted the reclaimers to have the fun gigs as the dwarves in the space rig
but i also want them to be like the serious elite kind of dwarf

[stray ginkgo]

Just noticed this channel, what's Rogue Core? New season, or DLC?

Cause if it's new season I'm hyped

[tall plume]

pinned message for all the available info
the TL,DR: it's a new game currently in development

[stray ginkgo]

ooo interesting

[peak delta]

the core has gone rogue

[verbal pine]

Not sure why they decided to make rogue core into a dating Sim but I don't hate it

[old raven]

thr rogue has been cored

[thin apex]

yeeees

[thin apex]

Rafkan dating sim (I will take it to dinner)

[cunning locust]

Missed the show the other day

Was any rogue core shown?

[hollow bear]

Yep

Stream link is in the pins

[cunning locust]

Tyvm

[hollow bear]

Dammit I missed my chance to say yup

[cunning locust]

Hehe

Could a future drg season be the setting up of those rogue core mining facilities

See the "gray out" from both ends then? I think they called it gray out

[tall plume]

the season setting up rogue core already happened and it's S5

since S6 will come out after RC comes out in early access, there won't be much setting to do.

[verbal wolf]

S06 is setting up for the DRG RTS game coming out in 2028.

[solemn fog]

I think it'd still be cool to see a mission in drg that setups up the facilties cus like they come from somewhere

doeant have to be lore building but it'd still be neat to see

since itd make a intresting mission type

[elfin ice]

sry if this was asked, is there a link to the vid announcement from a few days ago?

or a text writeup?

[mossy ruin]

yeah, the stream is pinned here

[steady trout]

hey, do we know how to get into the closed alpha? I'd love to get in if possible. 1500 hours in DRG and I own all the DLC

[tall plume]

there's no info as of now about how the alpha will play out

[hollow bear]

Still hoping for a Marble Racing stream for keys

[carmine zenith]

gimme keys, I'll do it

[elfin ice]

oh ty!

[native monolith]

Wait, fire idea???

[native monolith]

You think I can pay ghost ship to get multiple marbles

[delicate flax]

WHAT THE HELL NOBODY TOLD ME ABOUT THE BETTER MOLLY IN ROGUE CORE

!!!!!!

[hollow bear]

Lemme know how that works out

[native monolith]

Hey uh, ghost ship, I know it’s a lottery system but… slips 3 units of bismor will this change your mind?

[marsh minnow]

wha

[native monolith]

Elly

They gave Molly wings

[marsh minnow]

WHAT

I need sniss to upload a recap on this livestream bc wth

anything else cool?

[lime moon]

There's too much cool stuff they revealed, but to start, they showed two classes and their active perks/abilities:
• Slicer: Slashes at enemies with an arm-mounted Halo Energy Sword plasma blade
• Falconer: Sends out and commands an attack drone that electrocutes enemies

[tiny beacon]

pocket Bosco

[native monolith]

Enemies are the biggest thing I’d say

Very cool design

[marsh minnow]

dang

gifs dont work

[tiny beacon]

need a higher role for it yeah

[lime moon]

Still kinda hoping that one of the bosses might be a Glyphid Queen, even though Glyphids are effectively replaced by Corespawn (Core Spawn?) in Rogue Core.

Could be a good way to have Glyphids just cameo in Rogue Core, if there's a boss that summons them.

[stable bloom]

Any Idea when rogue core is releasing

I need to know

[mossy ruin]

early access in quarter 4 of 2025

[paper schooner]

🤑

[native monolith]

[lime moon]

And they mentioned planning a closed alpha ahead of the early access release!

[torpid gale]

Is this rogue core a separate drg game

[tall plume]

yes

pinned messages for details

[gaunt ingot]

im predicting the guardian class is a healer
dunno if this a common prediction but its just what i wanna see for that role the most

[tall plume]

I'm predicting there won't be a "healing class'"

[torpid gale]

sweet

oH that’s not sweet

[gaunt ingot]

i feel like itd suit rogue core

[torpid gale]

I think it would be kooL

[gaunt ingot]

since it wouldnt be a necessity, but also would provide a lot of value and fun without ruining the class flow that drg established since, well, thats absent in rogue core

[torpid gale]

o yes

[gaunt ingot]

with a class named guardian i can see this being likely
a shield based class seems much less likely
maybe like a much stronger shield link but that doesnt feel interesting or as involved as healing
i think any shield based class is especially less likely due to the very high likelihood that the shield generator will probably be able to be picked up by any class

though maybe there are other potential directions this can go that i haven't speculated yet

spotter and gorgon im much more lost on in terms of what they could be haha

spotter seems more obvious but there is likely more to it
debuffing like mfd is smth i heard, tho im unsure

i wanna know ;-;

[gaunt ingot]

i cant believe they added ellis

i bet theyll add keith too

[glass pendant]

Why not deployable or hand weld physical shield that blocks directional damage. So you can sorta hold down a direction and protect your teamates behind you

[left tinsel]

class named guardian? roboquest inspiration getting out of hand

[gaunt ingot]

i thought of smth like this
though smth like that is usually more for personal defensive utility, unless it were a larger reinhardt type of ability

though idk if id like that as much as a consistent resource

good movement is pretty core to surviving in drg (rogue core by extension), and something that might cover that too often might be too integral

but i could be wrong

[glass pendant]

I mean we don't really know how the gameplay will be different with the facility stuff

Like will it be very explorational or more holding down etc etc

[verbal wolf]

Will Rogue Core have e-holding?

[gaunt ingot]

probably

[gaunt ingot]

based on what we've seen it seems open enough to move around like drg, but yea idk

[glass pendant]

I feel like movement will be a bit less required seeing as ledges could have lifts and ravines would have bridges

[gaunt ingot]

i mean in combat

like dodging and managing threats

itd be a shame if movement is less emphasized imo

since its a big part of drg's appeal i think

but judging by the enemy design

it seems to be similar philosophy to drg but with more challenges

so i think translating that to potentially higher difficlties (assuming there are hazard levels) would require good movement unless of course you had a kind of shield that isnt limited like the shield generator
smth like that i think would undermine that aapect of combat a little

[left tinsel]

pls lord give us a permanent upgrade to reduce e holding 🙏

[tiny beacon]

it's too late they've already made you have to hold e to leave the title screen

[elfin ice]

In hardcore mode (new hazard type) you actually have to hold E the whole run

🙂

[pine skiff]

I was a little surprised to hear that there would be red sugar at all

Roguelikes and roguelites are often quite stingy on health recovery

[summer tiger]

would break the balance. devs already confirmed there would be 2 ways of healing- red sugar and midstage healing option

[peak delta]

Looks like we'll get GTA 6 before RC

[pseudo pumice]

can we keep making the when is rogue core jokes?

[atomic jacinth]

wait what?
rogue core when?

[steady trout]

Ty, just saw this haha

[chrome basin]

How is that no one asked the devs if we are going to find Karl in rogue core??

[thin apex]

I noticed that there'll be a disruptive enemy category in the game just like base drg, does that mean we won't be seeing all the enemies in the same run?

[mossy ruin]

probably

[thin apex]

sad

Anyway I find it really funny that the Crawlers are considered Disruptives, because we fight them in masse in base DRG, they'll probably be even more dangerous given the case they're disruptive in RC

[olive narwhal]

Considering how the ranged enemy was acting the ai might have got touched up a bit

Or they added a feature where the crawler climbs on your face

[native monolith]

I feel like crawlers are gonna really cool when they’re with other enemies

When it’s just crawlers you don’t really notice it, but they kinda just watch you for a minute before diving in and then disengaging again

[tribal rivet]

@native monolith for the why. I’m all for letting dev make new games, but like when DRG is getting a large content drought for the purpose of a new project and none of the features cross over. It’s kinda just sucks

[olive narwhal]

Hit and run does suit them

[tribal rivet]

Its like being the older child of the family and seeing your new sibling get all the new shinies

[olive narwhal]

Them working on a new project will help drg out

[brave oriole]

DRG has been out and in development for 6 years at this point. Tbh I surprised the content drought didn't come sooner.

[olive narwhal]

New project allows for fresh ideas

[tribal rivet]

Like, it’s one of those times where reusing content is OK

[native monolith]

I honestly would rather them make rogue core then add to DRG at this point; it is evident the team is itching to stretch their legs and do new things; right now in DRG they are so limited. New enemies are hard to balance around others, new weapons are basically impossible to add with how many frameworks would have to be modeled, new missions and classes can’t really be added without breaking drgs identity

How do you fix all that?

You make a new game

[thin apex]

That's unironically something I suggested for base DRG so they can get you up in Ziplines LOL

[tribal rivet]

I’m not saying to port all of rogue core into DRG

[native monolith]

I feel like rogue core is gonna be fucking awesome; they now have tons of experience making things in drg, and now get to play around with: basically an un chained class system, new weapons, a fully fresh enemy palette, new objectives and play, etc

[tribal rivet]

I just want some stuff coming over

[native monolith]

I think that would be bad for both games

[tribal rivet]

Eh im just super deinterested in DRG as a whole with how dev cycles been going

[native monolith]

As the devs said themselves they couldn’t really make rogue core in drg because they’re just too different

[brave oriole]

Thats not really how development works. If its made for RC its not gonna work for DRG without a ton of work.

[native monolith]

They also literally tried

[olive narwhal]

Stuff designed for rogue core probably wouldn't work well in base

[native monolith]

Rogue core started off as a gamemode(?) in drg

[native monolith]

Also this

With a completely new enemy palette and weapons

Balance will be balanced around those

[olive narwhal]

Look how warmly the crawlers were received

[tribal rivet]

Whatever. I’ll check up on DRG in like 2 years from now. Hopefully it’ll get an update

[native monolith]

Do you know how long it would take to add those to drg

God.. that’s horrifying to think about

So many balance changes…

[brave oriole]

I'm sure they will borrow ideas, like how the core stone is explicitly a tie in to RC, but its not like they can just Copy and Paste content between the games

[tribal rivet]

I’m literally not saying that

But sure

[brave oriole]

It will, they have announced S6 will start development once RC come out into early access.

[olive narwhal]

Well you are probably waiting till 2026 for s6

[native monolith]

And they shouldn’t; I’m really excited what they’re gonna do with a (mostly) clean slate

[tribal rivet]

I just want some RC content modified (to fit balanced wise) and updated for DRG

[native monolith]

The enemies are already looking so cool and different to play against

[native monolith]

I think the only thing I would want, and could maybe see them doing, is when s6 is released and the core stone gets recycled into regular events, it could spawn maybe 1-2 more enemies from rogue core (which by now will be decently into early access and stabilized)

[brave oriole]

Tbh if they are gonna do the dev time for that I would rather get new content designed around DRG, rather then something made for RC retrofit to DRG.

Given how different the games already are I doubt adding RC stuff to DRG is easier then just making new stuff for DRG.

[tribal rivet]

I’ve messed around adding custom enemies in DRG through modding. Probably can do with RC enemies

[native monolith]

Weapons aren’t feasible, classes aren’t feasible, a full enemy palette isn’t feasible, biomes is kinda feasible but doesn’t fit lore wise and would destroy identity of both games, upgrade system is a core feature of rogue core and not DRG so that would work

They are just, in flat terms, different games

[native monolith]

Yeah also this

I’d just want new cool stuff in drg lol

[olive narwhal]

You probably could doesn't mean it would work well

[tall plume]

I'd rather have both game be their own thing and just share settings and visuals

[native monolith]

Yup

[brave oriole]

For how cool impressive and high quality most modding is, people massively overstate the quality of modded content.

Content made to fit one persons personal tastes will never be the same as something crafted to illicit a specific reaction in many different people. Modded stuff is easier (Not saying its easy, ik how hard development is) because it is lower quality, its just often low quality in ways that the people who install it don't care about.

[idle bison]

i don't think it's fair counting the early access

2 of those years were just the developers trying to reach a point where they considered the game to have enough polish and content to be considered a finished product

and having vaguely seen DRG 1.0 myself, i think it's fair to say it was extremely barren back then

[olive narwhal]

Drg is the type of game that you kinda have to like the core game loop to put alot of time into

[idle bison]

it's also a game that you need to pace yourself on

there is just no way you can play it like an RPG, a second-job type game

[tall plume]

it was only very barren the first year

[idle bison]

especially with the 6-month seasons stretching out the time between major updates, let alone those seasons taking longer now

[tall plume]

a year later the game was already looking pretty good and 1.0 worthy - even though the devs wanted to polish and add a lot more stuff

[idle bison]

90% of DRG mods are extremely overpowered balance changes that people undersell as "quality of life"

[idle bison]

first year after release, or after EA?

[tall plume]

after EA

[idle bison]

i'd have to compare for myself, but like pat said, you really gotta like the core gameplay loop

anyway, back to rogue core

did the developers mention anything about ammo economy?

i watched the stream but didn't notice anything

[olive narwhal]

You find ammo crates

[idle bison]

ah

[frigid path]

I’m so glad GSG managed to escape Electronic Arts

[olive narwhal]

So nitra doesn't exist or resupplys i suppose

[idle bison]

i really hope they make the ammo economy like, fair and noticeable. too many FPS games make ammo a total non-issue

[tall plume]

you can resupply between stages, or through ellis

[olive narwhal]

Although i do wonder if you get resupplied between stages or not

[idle bison]

i've heard the devs are looking to gunfire reborn for inspiration, and ammo is not a factor in that game

[tiny beacon]

you can, for the overclock and crate grind. You can't for the season objectives

[tall plume]

"through ellis" being at the cost of an upgrade rn, it seems

[tiny beacon]

I did see a new type of resupply in one of the shots

[idle bison]

sounds cod zombies-esque

[olive narwhal]

I thought they were also getting inspired by robo quest

[olive narwhal]

Mayhaps the ammo crate

[tiny beacon]

was a little green box projecting an ammo icon above it - not sure if it's something you find in the mission or call in yourself

[tall plume]

seems like they partially are

[tiny beacon]

it didn't too much seem like the ammo crate to me

[idle bison]

excited to see more of what they plan for the classes

[tiny beacon]

I would think that's just applied directly to your inventory

[olive narwhal]

Having a seperate crit system from weakpoints is interesting

[tall plume]

I like it

opens up different playstyles and builds

[idle bison]

you can't have a roguelite without random crits, it's the law

gunfire reborn had that too i think, under the name "lucky shot"

[olive narwhal]

Its seems like roboquests autocrits

[tall plume]

that's exactly what it's like

you can crit through weakpoints or through %crit

or both

[idle bison]

i really like how roboquest handles it, so i'm excited to see it transferred over here if that's how it is

[idle bison]

both?

[olive narwhal]

But it also apparently stacks with weakpoints

[tall plume]

yeah, both

Mike confirmed it in here

you can stack the weakpoint damage + crit damage

numbers gonna go crazy

[idle bison]

doesn't really seem like roboquest's system then, unless you're saying weakpoint and crit will always have the same damage modifier

sounds a little more like vermintide/darktide

[olive narwhal]

I assume you have a standard crit damage bonus and a standard weakpoint bonus on a enemy basis like drg

[tall plume]

yeah

and you can crit on a weakpoint hit

[olive narwhal]

And you even get damage numbers for it

This will be a good time

Theirs a reason rogue core is one of like the 3 total things on my wish-list

[idle bison]

yea, definitely more vermintidey then

roboquest's crit system is unique, in that random crits are explicitly the same was weakpoint hits, and there are 0 modifiers that differentiate them. you also start with a 0% crit chance, which is rare for a roguelite/RPG FPS

[idle bison]

gonna be super weird seeing damage numbers in a game that looks like DRG, i even have them turned off in survivor lol

[olive narwhal]

I assume you can turn them off in this as well

[idle bison]

surely

see no reason to though, it's good info to have

[olive narwhal]

Especially when you land a crit on a weakpoint

[idle bison]

will rogue core be a max 55% crit chance kinda game or a max 400% crit chance kinda game

[prisma zephyr]

is rouge core gonna be on ue5 (shitty stutter engine) or do the devs plan to stay on ue4?

[native monolith]

they transitioned to 5 iirc

[median sleet]

The live footage they showed had no stutter.

BTW I think UE5 stutters are a developer problem, not an engine problem. But I am no developer so I may be wrong

[fickle abyss]

Lots of games are just badly put together due to time crunches/poor pay, and because stuff can just be lazily fixed in post

I want us back to the ps2 era where a broken game would bankrupt a studio

[paper schooner]

Right now crit chance caps at 100% but we are looking at ways we can allow it to go over.

[idle bison]

epic

[idle bison]

💀

[paper schooner]

Small correction, you can partially resupply from ammo crates you find in the stage (and there is always one near by the entrance of each stage) and you can do it at equipment dispensers by taking an ammo box instead of a weapon/item

[idle bison]

choosing between more ammo or a new weapon entirely? interesting

[paper schooner]

The ammo box is a deployable

[pine skiff]

Just make every single instance of crit chance independent, so that it's hilariously inconsistent

[idle bison]

reminds me of back4blood actually

[pine skiff]

So you have lower crit chance than if it was additive, but you also have a 0.00001% chance to one-shot the final boss

[paper schooner]

More ammo that you can share

[median sleet]

Are lootbugs still a no?

[pine skiff]

Loot bugs are too cute for these caves

[paper schooner]

Someone on the team made green expenite infused lootbugs and set them loose in the game but we have no idea who.

[median sleet]

We're so back

[pine skiff]

Just add normal lootbugs that drop gold and nitra, but the reclaimers refuse to put such low-value junk in their pockets

[paper schooner]

We've left them in for now but dunno if it will make sense to keep them

[median sleet]

I like the idea of lootbugs just being these very survivable creatures you find in the most unlikely spots

[median sleet]

Maybe it wasn't a dev but the lootbugs just invaded the game

[pine skiff]

Expenite lootbugs could either be encountered after taking a certain perk, or as a level modifier maybe

[median sleet]

as long as there are precious minerals

[pine skiff]

It's a bug thing v2 would be a great perk btw

[paper schooner]

Kinda like in the refining mission... There seem to be too many loot bugs in those and for some reason they are attracted to the pipes... No one knows why. It makes no sense.

[tiny beacon]

they know they can knock you off the pipes, creatures of suffering that they are

[median sleet]

Who could resist a nice cup of liquid morkite?

[pine skiff]

In Aaron's Steam post on level design, he mentions that it's because a bunch of rooms get mashed together

This confirms that Aaron created the expenite lootbugs

[tiny beacon]

they also tend to cluster on morkite wells and the salvage pod because mineral chunks get stuck under those and they can't get at them

they do seem to travel along the pipes sometimes though for no reason

[paper schooner]

Next you're gonna tell me that santa isn't real...

🙉

[median sleet]

About that...

🙊

Anyway, I was very glad we got to see a lot of footage during the stream. Everything I saw so far looked great. I did notice that upgrades seem to no longer have a rarity . Is the reasoning behind this to prevent infighting about who gets the rarest upgrade?

[frank holly]

Maybe it was Arvid

[paper schooner]

Nope, upgrades still have rarity. Just a coincidence all ofthem were common in that shot.

[median sleet]

Oh nice! I prefer having rarities

[median sleet]

@tall plume I saw you talk about this a few days ago, seems like rarities are still in!

[pine skiff]

You should have to arm wrestle with your team to determine who gets first choice of upgrades

[paper schooner]

If by arm wrestle you mean wait for your turn...

[pine skiff]

No, I mean an arm wrestling minigame to assert dominance

[paper schooner]

Nothing asserts dominance like patience

[pine skiff]

I am going to tell this to every teenager I see tomorrow

[idle bison]

will the game have friendly fire

[mossy ruin]

I think that's fairly obvious

lel

[lime moon]

Some of my friends are un-hype for Rogue Core and that makes me kinda sad.

-# Then again, they dropped DRG a while back 'cause "it doesn't have enough content" or somethin'

[frigid path]

My guess is the office lootbug

[vague orchid]

rafkan better b in s6

[native monolith]

Probably not happening

[fervent arrow]

Only a leaf-lover would say that!

[native monolith]

They said they don’t want much crossover

[vague orchid]

well i suppose it makes sense

but they look real cool

it would make rouge core less special too

so i understand

[native monolith]

Meanwhile, my friends are planning to look through gsgs windows to try and see more rogue core

[native monolith]

Yeah, separate identities are important

[vague orchid]

really makes you wonder what other horrors the dwarves will find in s6

[native monolith]

I kinda hope we get more general seasons like what s5 was

They have some connections but a lot of it is just expanding on different stuff

[tiny beacon]

I wouldn't mind a RC-related second primary like lithophage has

[vagrant scaffold]

Cue people whining "What do you mean enemies have wallhacks now?", "What do you mean I actually need to have the sound on to play this game?*.

RC however is supposed to be more difficult than DRG so.

[idle bison]

DRG is already a heavily sound dependent game wdym

the only enemy I think lacks good sound queues is ironically the stalker

[tiny beacon]

I dunno what people's problem with the stalker is it always seems to work for me

wonder if there will be an invisible corespawn

[fickle abyss]

Funniest thing ive ever read was when someone complained about septic spreaders not needing line of sight. WHEN NONE OF THE BUGS HAVE EYES

[gaunt ingot]

it wouldnt break the balance of the game since it wouldnt be a necessity
especially since these alternative healing options exist
as long as a healer would heal slow enough or infrequently enough so taking damage still matters it would be balanced imo

it would specifically work much better in rogue core over drg

though if its really confirmed there would be no other sources of healing (which i havent picked up on), it would make sense
i just think itd be a very nice opportunity to grant a healer option in rogue core

[fickle abyss]

Healer class would be bad since solo players wouldnt have a healing option besides being stuck playing one class

[tiny beacon]

health is meant to be a strictly limited resource

letting people heal endlessly is very dangerous

[sour whale]

I'm really disappointed that there gonna be random crits. This one bit of info is making me reconsider buying rogue core.

[idle bison]

random crits are seriously enough to turn you off a game?

I really wanna pick your brain about that

[tiny beacon]

it makes sense

random crits open up the possibility for the game to be determined by complete luck, in a more direct way than what ends up spawning or bullet deviation or what have you does

[idle bison]

I want you to consider other games in RC's genre and tell me if any of them suffer with this same issue though

in most other RPGs/roguelites with random crits, they are almost entirely ignorable and you have to build around them

[tiny beacon]

it's much worse in PvP games, famously TF2, which can leave people permanently turned off by the inclusion or at least for a long time, but in games where it's poorly balanced and too powerful it's also quite irritating to get the reminder that you could just be trying your luck with every hit instead for better average performance no matter the skill of what you're doing instead of it

[idle bison]

team fortress 2 should not be in the conversation about random crits in RPGs and roguelites. it's not comparable at all

if the above poster cites TF2 as their reasoning for hating random crits I'm pulling my hair out and eating it

[old raven]

I dunno about yall but I would like more damage against the core spawn so free crit is moar damage

[sour whale]

I did not TF2 much anyway. I just inherently dislike having inconsistent damage output. I value player skill above everything else and if I got myself into tricky spot I don't want to be saved by rng. The same goes for being screwed by rng.
I love rng that I can react to like random terrain, random enemy spawn, so long there is sufficient warning I'm fine. When I fire my weapon I expect it to deal specific damage.

[idle bison]

you might just have a distaste for the genre in general then. roguelites are all about the element of randomness on both the player's side and the enemies'

[sour whale]

Also two games that made me like roguelikes are Binding of Isaac and Enter the Gungeon and they do not have random crits.

No. Rogue likes are one of my most played genres.

[idle bison]

like I said earlier, there isn't really a comparable game with random crits where they make the game completely luck-based, they're either a noticeable but minor boon or something you actively build around

chances are you won't notice them being there

[sour whale]

I like randomness, just not in my weapons/abilities.

I notice them always. Just did my best ignoring them. But when i hear one of my favorite games gets spin off (one that did not have that mechanic before) and now it gets it (which to me is straight up downgrade) I can't help but be disappointed.

[idle bison]

just seems like such a minor complaint to turn down a game for but oh well

[sour whale]

But I stand by my opinion that roguelikes do not need them. There are ones that did not have them. Just because these days game devs put them in as a band aid for repetitive gameplay doesb't change that.

[idle bison]

seems a little unnecessary

[sour whale]

Don't underestimate my hatred fof random crits. If this game will also have modding support I'm gonna learn to mod just to get rid of them myself.

[idle bison]

random crits aren't added to make up for content drought

[sour whale]

To me it most of the time feel that way.

[idle bison]

it's a tried and true mechanic that people enjoy building around

[tiny beacon]

they can be added to make the game easier or more varied, but I don't think most games add them as content since they really don't add any content in the slightest

[old raven]

Honestly they can just do conditional crits

[idle bison]

bet you the game will have a base 0% crit chance and it won't even be an issue lol

[tiny beacon]

like if you add the mechanic that's whatever, you still have to add new things to build using it

[idle bison]

we already know the game will have both weakpoint shots and random crits

[sour whale]

It will be an issue with how the upgrades work here. What if I get only weapons with crit chance baceuse the rest of option got taken by other players?

[old raven]

Would like to see a conditional that if you are airborne then it crits

[sour whale]

Weakpoints would have been enough. The fact that DRG had them instead of rng was major reason why I loved the game so much.

[idle bison]

DRG does suffer from weapon RNG though

in the form of random chance to apply status effects

[sour whale]

I like that one. Didn't Dead Cels rely on this aproach? Can't remember.

I don't use these options.

[old raven]

Oh dead cells is hella full of conditionals