rogue-core-chat

[sharp salmon]

They don't have opposable thumbs sadly :(

[fresh jetty]

thought we wouldn't pick up on your subtle hints, did you? I see right through your ruse!

mouth

[fringe maple]

we have to kill it before it turns into the glyphid with two guns

[small bough]

New Boss: Glyphid with a Draco Uzi

[celest viper]

New Boss: Drake

[small bough]

damn not Drake

[celest viper]

yes yes yes

[pearl tinsel]

Sounds like something rivals would do actually

[velvet marsh]

I wonder how the enemy spawns are planned to work, would it be announced swarms like DRG, or enemies just keep spawning progressively stronger like RoR2, or there's a limited number of enemies on each stage like Gunfire Reborn?

[velvet marsh]

To me this is interesting cuz it would inform how the music should be implemented, and I'm all about that music stuff

[lone cypress]

https://cdn.akamai.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/2605790/ss_ae933ebe05f61aebc70ec0fc92c39ce3ad9ef96c.1920x1080.jpg?t=1696512821 the best screen we have

[paper schooner]

We've of course been looking at all the co-op roguelike shooters. But I would not say that any one was the main inspiration. We are very interested in approaching this from a co-op first angle. Gunfire and Roboquest are the two main examples of coop FPS roguelites out right now.

[hollow bear]

Speaking of music, can't wait to hear new tunes

[celest viper]

drg = fortnite
rogue core = save the world
?

[sharp salmon]

Not Risk of Rain 2?

[celest viper]

sorry for the comparison but it's kinda fact

[tall plume]

I hope not, at least for its co-op part

(which doesn't exist)

[paper schooner]

We're still figuring this out.

[small bough]

Those games are good, if you like FPS roguelites, can't go wrong with Immortal Redneck 😎

[pearl tinsel]

Guys, as a guy who plays dead cells religiously, don't make damage upgrades scale exponentially... you'll regret it later

[lone cypress]

risk of rock 2

[paper schooner]

Yes.

[hollow bear]

Poggers

[fresh jetty]

tactical laser pointer

[celest viper]

ooh gunfire makes a lot of sense

[pearl tinsel]

I think unique characters would be cool. One of the things that dissapointed me about even drg was that all the dwarves had basically the same personality outside of class specific lines, and no real conversations

[paper schooner]

It is currently a greenish colour

[hollow bear]

Umanite got some competition

[celest viper]

[paper schooner]

yes

[fresh jetty]

um akchewally, if you were as obsessed with tiny scraps of lore as I am you would know that the dwarves do actually have very tiny bits of characterization

[hollow wolf]

My question is: are y'all gonna get Sophus and Troels back for the RC soundtrack or will it be other composers? As a follow-up, are you going to stick to the same dark synthy vibe for the music?

[hollow bear]

So it was stated the cave Gen will likely be smaller than baseline drg, should we expect to see some more dynamic procedural generation since it's essentially a smaller "canvas" for the generator to work with? Would be cool to see some really intricate flora/fauna congestion

[celest viper]

compared to nitra, how much would it be more expensive

[paper schooner]

As of Update 3 all the "objectives" aka things you can do to get expenite are optional. The only thing you NEED to do is find your way to the next elevator that can take you deeper into the dig site.

[celest viper]

I mean, I don't even know how expensive nitras are in the first place

[paper schooner]

There are no missions in the DRG sense.

[fresh jetty]

intesting, so you could just run through the whole cave hypothetically.

can't wait for the 0 upgrade run

[cosmic magnet]

Yo Ghostship - if you see this, your games RULE - Rock and stone 😄

[final dagger]

Hopefully the game will be well balanced for solo play for those that want to go in alone
And I guess second question, how will difficulty be, more linear like risk of rain 2 progressively getting harder? Or can you choose a difficulty

[fresh jetty]

"new weapons and state of the art gear? NAH don't need that shit. I'll just run in and find out what's happening in the core. brb!"

[paper schooner]

Weapons and Powerups possibly other stuff too. We're still experimenting with all sorts of stuff.

[lone cypress]

but would you get to keep found weapons?

actually no roguelike lets you keep new weapons...

[pearl tinsel]

Will we see other dwarves corpses?

[paper schooner]

All I can say is that it's been working out well so far.

[lone cypress]

armor progress perhaps

[celest viper]

umm is the boss Warden along with skulk sensor

[paper schooner]

I like the way you think 😉

[lone cypress]

just buff bugs

[paper schooner]

a mixture of the first two

[lone cypress]

buff bugs went to the gym

[final dagger]

Having mega waves at the end would be real fun

[paper schooner]

Also RoR2. It's impossible to make a coop rogue-like shooter without considering RoR2. My point is that there are many many points of inspiration. and yes RoR2 is definitely on there.

[velvet marsh]

Interesting, I bet the existing DRG combat music system still fits pretty well then

[paper schooner]

They actually do in DRG and that is one of the first things we had to change because shit went bananas 🙂

[small bough]

Are the average games of Rogue Core aiming to be longer than Deep Dives?

[lone cypress]

jetty in RC?

[celest viper]

[paper schooner]

That said, RC plays VERY differently if compared to gunfire.

[lone cypress]

or does RC come with jetpacks?

[tranquil herald]

If you haven't, I'd strongly encourage looking at some of the modded characters in ROR2. A handful of them add more team interaction functions like Paladin

[paper schooner]

a diffrerent green

[pearl tinsel]

I want chainswords

And chainaxes

And chainguns

[tame stream]

Will rogue core have a mission control equivalent, or will we be fully "on our own" down there?

Because if we're not getting lady dwarves this time it'd be nice to at least have some acknowledgement that they exist outside of voicelines mentioning your dwarfs mum

[celest viper]

ah ok I'll keep that in mind

[paper schooner]

no idea at the moment

[hollow wolf]

no music confirmed /j

[hollow bear]

Mick Gordon, make it happen

[fluid jacinth]

How does the loot in the game work? Are there like tiers of weapons (example, common, uncommon, rare, epic, legendary) or is the system going in a different direction where you upgrade a gun you find? (if you even do that)

[celest viper]

on our own most likely since there is no connection to mission control whatsoever

[pearl tinsel]

Definitely want female dwarves to be an option this time, I've had multiple female friends frustrated with lack of female character options in drg

[celest viper]

correct me if I'm wrong tho

[lone cypress]

will rc feature original drg biomes?

[paper schooner]

best way to look at it is that the cave gen in RC is trying to balance traversal and exploration while keeping the dwarves moving. If the caves get too big, it takes too long to explore, if too small you start losing the travesal challenges and vertivcality.

[paper schooner]

very much

[fresh jetty]

I wonder if the scrapped biome will make it in... although maybe that's getting too hopeful lol

[paper schooner]

yes... but you can't avoid all combat so...

[paper schooner]

[pearl tinsel]

Still want that for original drg tbh

[fresh jetty]

maybe you can't, I'll be fine! <- clueless

[hollow bear]

So I guess that leads me to another question in regards to traversal. I'm guessing traversal tools will be pick ups? Assuming everyone gets a pick axe, traversal tools will be an equivalent to "movement items" ie. Feathers and goat hooves in Ror2

[paper schooner]

At the moment we have 3 runs each harder than the last and each run also progresses in difficulty from stage to stage as well as while you are in each stage. Currently there is no player selected difficulty like in DRG but we are not 100% set on this yet.

[paper schooner]

as for solo, while we are approching this co-op first, solo is very important to us.

[pearl tinsel]

So it's like curse of the dead gods if you're familiar with that?

[celest viper]

hmm it reminds me the deep dive

[paper schooner]

You do start each run with some fancy gear, just not a lot of it and it comes with it's own limitations that you need to take into account.

[paper schooner]

no

[lone cypress]

shocking misread ping answer

despite it all being on hoxxes

[paper schooner]

Not sure, we are divided on this topic.

[paper schooner]

not 100%

[pearl tinsel]

Would make sense with the permanent mining operations that were set up to at least have a few skeletons lying around in structures

[fluid jacinth]

I wish the game is a fair bit darker in tone

[final dagger]

Awesome, excited to be able to play, good luck making it

[fluid jacinth]

Maybe hollowed out armors?

[paper schooner]

Right now I'm working with a range of 30 - 90 min per run (subject to change)

[hollow bear]

Maybe there's friendly fire and we can make our own dead dwarves

[fluid jacinth]

[fresh jetty]

drg fans when the devs won't add corpses

[paper schooner]

I have not looked at the RoR2 mods at all, thanks for the headsup

[fresh jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[paper schooner]

that sounds legaly spicy

[fresh jetty]

it's not a chainsword! it's a swordchain!

totally different

[celest viper]

Chain sword chain

[atomic canyon]

can avoid legal issues by using ropes instead of chains

ropes made out of metal

[paper schooner]

Yes, though exactly how we will style this helping voice is still undecided.

[velvet marsh]

mind immediately starts to imagine an adaptive music system which would fit every possible situation ever and would also be very difficult to implement and fine tune

[pallid beacon]

Literally the Easter egg in a specific drg mod that updated to remove it

[paper schooner]

Both-ish

[fluid jacinth]

Pickaxe upgrade tree. funny power up called "Karls might" or something that powers the hell out of your melee :)

[paper schooner]

No promises.

[manic sleet]

I am missing some competitiveness from DRG right now. Are you planning to introduce something like leaderboards, two teams racing each other or something else in RC?

[celest viper]

Rc mod works real hard tdy

[pearl tinsel]

If you're thinking of 40k, doubtful. I've seen them in other unrelated media, cyberpunk 2077 has them as well and they straight up just call them chainswords

[hollow bear]

These Q&As are adding to the hype machine

[fluid jacinth]

My worry was that maybe id find a cool weapon I really like but then just find a weapon that just says "Bigger dmg"

[paper schooner]

you are not wrong but we need that voice. Exactly how we explain it is still uncertain

[paper schooner]

yes, all of them

[celest viper]

Finally mission controll is comming with us

[paper schooner]

as well as bringing in new stuff

[lone cypress]

rc biomes in drg tho?

[paper schooner]

🤷

[celest viper]

Ima force him ping comp gold

[fluid jacinth]

Mission controls wife yells at you through the comms

[fresh jetty]

the new biomes we saw do look cool

[celest viper]

And show how great it feels

[solar jackal]

The most exciting part about Rogue Core is the possibility of new music from Sophus

[paper schooner]

setting a slow mode, I can't keep up!!!

2min mode

[celest viper]

Understandable

[lone cypress]

you just need to clone yourself~
2x the income

[tall plume]

Poor Mike

[paper schooner]

me too

[next gazelle]

We got the game wiki for Rogue up. https://deeprockgalactic.wiki.gg/wiki/Deep_Rock_Galactic:_Rogue_Core 🎉

[paper schooner]

[tall plume]

And not fandom, nice

[daring hill]

how long did it take for DRG to move off fandom?

[paper schooner]

yes, along with weapons you will find all sorts of gear and equipment both from DRG and new stuff (that we'll pretend is DRG tech as in theory everything you are finding in the caves is DRG tech...)

[pearl tinsel]

Wiki.gg does most of the work. I used to work on the dead cells wiki and they approached us on if we'd like to transfer

[paper schooner]

have not played that one

[hollow bear]

No rivals confirmed?

[tall plume]

Ask that in #wiki-related-chatroom, more suited there

[next gazelle]

They moved away last year. We have a #wiki-related-chatroom channel

Should look into getting this browser extension:
https://github.com/alex4401/wikigg-redirect-extension

[paper schooner]

there are definitely similarities

[paper schooner]

thanks

[daring hill]

ive been meaning to ask: what graphical improvements will rogue core have over DRG, since its more or less being made from scratch, and therefore can do things that can't be done with DRG

[paper schooner]

there is definitely friendly fire and as of update 3 you don't start with a shield, you need to find one.

[hollow bear]

Like music to my ears

[celest viper]

So in RC, there is no class but starting with a basic weapon right?
But can I at least choose what kind of weapon I get at the beginning of the mission?

[paper schooner]

nope, we actively strive to avoid any competition both in DRG and RC

[tall plume]

Leaderboards would also mean anticheats which also mean a lot of extra work and no mod support.

[pearl tinsel]

Will there be supply drops or will there be something else to regain ammo?

[paper schooner]

you will be able to upgrade that cool weapon, also, most of the damage powerups, etc, are on the character and not on the individual weapons.

[atomic canyon]

impossible quest given the nature of games. but commendable. note if you do not add competition the players simply will (kill counter)

[tranquil herald]

Is there even ammo? Not all roguelites fuck with an ammo system

[paper schooner]

only if it would make sense, and at the moment it does not.

[tall plume]

there is

according to the screenshots at least

[paper schooner]

2x the expenses

[frigid path]

1/2 the beer for you

[paper schooner]

whoa!! cool! ❤️

[celest viper]

I remember devs worked on some kind of platform pod wasn't they?

[tranquil herald]

Well, there's a counter on the gun, but that could just have a reload timer with an unlimited pool, doesn't necessarily mean there'll be ammo pickups

[paper schooner]

at least not yet... unless it was them that caused the greyout?!

[hollow bear]

Alpha test can't come soon enough 😭

[fluid jacinth]

Good to know

[final dagger]

Any possibility of modding like in drg?

[fresh jetty]

honestly there are 3 big mysteries that I really hope get an answer one day. 1. glyphid queen real? 2. what is the error cube / were there ancient aliens on hoxxes? 3. Who created the rivals?

[tall plume]

yeah, no clue on that, though that would be a really big magazine

[pearl tinsel]

Rivals are gnomes, there is a gnome in every rival "bot"

[paper schooner]

Just to clarify, Rogue Core is not being made from scratch. It's built from the foundation of DRG. We literally copied the DRG project and started hacking at it. Any visual or technical improvements we do to one game we will try to also move to the other.

[rough moon]

Thats awesome

[humble drum]

so its not a rewrite? doesnt that mean it suffers from the same issue of the game being too big/old code or is that not an issue?

[paper schooner]

Yes you can chose the weapon you start with and many of them are far from basic. Though there is one basic one for the people that just want a normal-ish gun.

[pearl tinsel]

I think hacking means literally tearing out a lot of the game and all the code that comes with it

[paper schooner]

No supply drops, you will need to find the ammo.

[tall plume]

He specifically said the "foundation".

It doesn't have the whole load of content DRG has gotten over the years.

[hollow bear]

Supply drops are now beer instead

[deep agate]

find the ammo in supply drops

good morningf

[distant glacier]

Is there planned to be customization in RC like DRG? Also, would there be an equivalent to the abyss bar?

[humble drum]

thats hilarious lmaooo

[paper schooner]

there is ammo for most guns, though the reclaimer weapons are energy weapons that can recharge on their own.

[inland palm]

reclaimer weapons = starting guns?

[lone cypress]

wouldnt it make sense to reuse something from drg?
ambandoned resupply pods
but if reclaimer weapons recharge... eh

[tranquil herald]

That fits in with what I kind of expected. Like Gunfire, you have a starting gun with unlimited ammo, but fancy new stuff is limited

[tall plume]

yesn't

there could be a reason there's no supply pod down there

[paper schooner]

we need to find a replacement for the dev who was handeling all the modding support for DRG first.

no plans right now

[hollow bear]

As long as they're cooler than the Foundry, I dig it

[lone cypress]

the modding dev for drg is no longer there? can someone update me on that?

[paper schooner]

we are free to mess with and rewrite core systems in RC if we need to as it is not a live game. DRG is a different story. But yes, it has a cost.

[tranquil herald]

Hey, the Foundry is cool, kind of. It's got great sound design for a basic gun

[paper schooner]

👋

[deep agate]

zzzz RMB alt fire zzz

[humble drum]

its so cool to just have a developer casually in chat
||along with the entire moderation team as bodyguards||

[paper schooner]

To some extent though we still need to figure that part out, as for a bar... that is also needed in some form (they are dwarves after all!) but we're still undecided as to how we'll do it.

[paper schooner]

yes

[tranquil herald]

Kind of assuming RMB is still the pickaxe button, but hey who knows

[atomic canyon]

a series of dive bars on the planet

[paper schooner]

hasn't been for a while

[paper schooner]

🙉

[paper schooner]

Karl bless them

[deep agate]

i'm going to bring up the personal flask again. Personal upgradable alcohol flask for each character that functions sort of like an hp potion in PoE. Limited uses, needs refills by finding mats/plants in mission, customizable effects based on ingredients you put in it 👀

[humble drum]

nah you just have a really old and really smart glyphid that learned english, and the only reason he's still alive is that he learned how to make beer and befriended the dwarves

[paper schooner]

It is.

[outer iron]

I was imagining it like the safehouses in left 4 dead, we'd be crawling from abandoned bar to bar through the belly of the planet

[paper schooner]

https://discord.com/channels/257785731072786435/1159484970679681094 😉

[fringe maple]

if you put ammonia and bleach into it you can chuck it at the bugs as a gas grenade

[deep agate]

ZZZ coffee

[paper schooner]

❤️

[small bough]

should of really asked, what is your job role at GSG? Do you work on programming, art, design?

[hollow bear]

Management Mike

[tall plume]

Trust me, Mike doesn't need bodyguards 😂

[tall plume]

he's the Lead Designer

[lost arrow]

how much will rogue core expand on DRG lore ? super interested 🤓

[deep agate]

Mike is one of "The Big Six"

[humble drum]

which developers do the weekly streams? is it different each time or the same 4?

[atomic canyon]

can each player get a personal developer?

[small bough]

neat

[deep agate]

^its almost always Jacob the community memeger and now lately Aaron the yankee + guests, sometimes mark when hes not exploding

[tall plume]

Is he ? 🤔

I thought he came later

[deep agate]

the biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiig six wow i need coffee

[tall plume]

Søren Lundgaard
Mikkel Martin Pedersen
Henrik Edwards
Jonas Møller
Robert Friis
Philip Mygind

The Founding Fathers (of all dwarves)

[paper schooner]

Not sure how I can answer that... but we'll keep doing it the DRG way if that makes sense.

[distant glacier]

Would there be events to any degree? (By events I mean, like Halloween, Oktoberfest, that sort of thing)

[paper schooner]

If you mean the founders, I'm not.

[austere slate]

rogue core

[paper schooner]

same 3

[humble drum]

missed opportunity to have a developer named karl 😔

[paper schooner]

Johan is also always on the stream

[paper schooner]

We're not sure yet. They are fun to do though...

[deep agate]

you didnt help found the legion of doom whaaaat

[paper schooner]

removing slow mode

[paper schooner]

nope, but we worked together back at Press Play

[humble drum]

farewell, thanks for being here 🫡

[paper schooner]

I still have 10 min

before I have to head home

[humble drum]

:D

[deep agate]

ah thats why i remember you

dont woozy me, i have my coffee now.

[humble drum]

why does discord show youve recently joined the server? it has the leaf icon thingy next to your name

[tall plume]

@paper schooner while you're here Mike, please do not engage conversation in the suggestion channel for Rogue Core, or at least open a channel for that, just like the DRG one

[deep agate]

discord needs its coffee

[frail linden]

They can't talk about Karl, it's in the NDA.

[lost arrow]

like will there be lost journals, lost transmissions, books ect, small amount of lore we can peace together & theorise on.

[paper schooner]

🫡

[humble drum]

the secret hidden developer
you unlock him after you beat the other 6 and complete all the side quests

[rugged hatch]

There will be no Molly here :(((

But a Processor Drone

[paper schooner]

Not likely, we don't do narrative to that extent.

[tall plume]

good, it means she cannot push you off cliffs for now

[fleet osprey]

guys, what if the barrier they mentioned in the live stream they have to warp the reclaimers past is the compressed granite?

[humble drum]

the guy who programmed her got punched for some reason, management are still confused why
thats the canon explanation you cant tell me otherwise

[velvet marsh]

Little lite question for ya, any fun wacky little roguelite upgrades you guys are playing with implementing, anything you're excited about?

[paper schooner]

Processor drone is running on the same pathfinding system though...

[hollow bear]

Hope we get a voice line like "operation Rouge Core commence! Oh wait"

[pearl tinsel]

Wtf is a processor drone

[tall plume]

But it flies, right...?

[rotund loom]

They finally killed everything with more legs than two

[rugged hatch]

Also i really hope we will be able to see RamRod from the Spacerigs and likewise :DD

[tall plume]

[lost arrow]

a bit of a bummer for me personally, but will still check out the game.

[rugged hatch]

Ramrod, such a cool name

[hollow bear]

You know you love that idea

[pearl tinsel]

Not necessarily related to rogue core, but what is/was the original plans for the blue mega mule in the space rig? And will we ever see it used in an actual mission or rogue core?

[tall plume]

I'm going to dunce you

[rugged hatch]

Reminds me of a first…

[fleet osprey]

i hope we get some returning enemies from drg in rougue core. like i still wanna shoot up grunts in rouge core

[paper schooner]

first one that jumps to my mind (because it was ridiculous and hillarious) was a powerup that let you do damage to enemies in an AoE by falling down to the ground. The harder you fall the more damage you do. we were playtesting with Mark (the guy making the funny tik-toks) and he got that and a grappling hook and well... you had to be there, it was good fun.

[tranquil herald]

Superhero landing!

[rugged hatch]

Also what if Rogue Core is more like a horror game… reminds me a bit of Dead Space to be honest

[humble drum]

theres gotta be a fodder enemy

[paper schooner]

it turns expenite into upgrades/powerups

[tall plume]

Headstompers from RoR

[pearl tinsel]

Falling with style

[fleet osprey]

is grapple gun an upgrade or found in weapon caches

[humble drum]

maybe thats why its so expensive, it can be turned into equipment

[paper schooner]

I'm pretty sure we are gonna do that, yes.

[tranquil herald]

I hope there's a spiderman swingy grapple this time

[hollow bear]

Can't wait to headstomp an elder Lemurian on ~~petrichor ~~ Hoxxes

[paper schooner]

🤐

[humble drum]

if you drink wormhole special and flintlockes delight and manage to reach the ship in the distance it just launches roguecore on your pc

[paper schooner]

you will get all of them

[lone cypress]

spill da beans

[humble drum]

^(meant to reply to you)

[fleet osprey]

so every enemy from base drg is coming to rouge core?

[hollow bear]

Rockpox round 3

[humble drum]

stonepox

[paper schooner]

yes... probably. Though they tend to die pretty fast towards the end of the run...

[paper schooner]

not likely

[pearl tinsel]

I feel like that implies you have plans for it. I thought it was just gonna be similar to the green barrel

[fleet osprey]

thats kinda normal for rougelites and rougelikes anyways

[humble drum]

will roguecore also have a mutator/warnings system?

[fleet osprey]

is there a laser pointer for pointing at expenite and any other potential materials

[pearl tinsel]

What about the old ladder/rope launcher?

[tranquil herald]

Yes

[fleet osprey]

wait is there nitra

[fresh jetty]

ooh I wonder if the glyphid veteran grunts are coming back. that would be a cool way to have enemies scale as you get higher up. pull an old school rpg and have recolours and very slight redesigns lol

[paper schooner]

completely different pacing, also silly dwarf teammates

[paper schooner]

no nitra

[paper schooner]

yes

[fleet osprey]

aww

[rugged hatch]

Will in Rogue Core have the same Mission Control or someone else?

[humble drum]

no resupplies either ^

[paper schooner]

possible

[fleet osprey]

theres no nitra here

[azure patrol]

im hoping they add the other unknown horrors to Rogue core

[humble drum]

genius

[fleet osprey]

please please please add lootbugs to rouge core

please

[velvet marsh]

I imagine the elite system could be reworked into making powered up versions of normal enemies, like the elemental enemies in RoR2

[paper schooner]

all tools are found

[deep agate]

more unkillable ghost monsters? ooooh, maybe unkillable ghost lootbugs

[azure patrol]

theres 3 other Unknown Horror silhouettes that are unused and i want them

[pearl tinsel]

Are we getting turrets? And if so, what about different variants?

[paper schooner]

well, time for me to go home. Thanks for a fun time and all the questions! Rock and Stone!

[pearl tinsel]

Nooooo

[humble drum]

poor dude got overloaded with questions

[small bough]

Rock and Bone

[hollow bear]

Thanks for your time, Mike!

[lone cypress]

makes me wonder if ramrod hub will look like pre alpha drg hub

[pearl tinsel]

Def more excited about rogue core though, looking forward to it

[azure patrol]

the unused unknown horror concepts are

• Mactera Grabber
• Lacerator/Arbalest
• Shellbacks
  And I want ALL of them

they all sound very fun

[rocky dove]

imagine a shellback bullying you for the entirety of the mission

[pearl tinsel]

Unknown horror dreadnoughts would be hell

Mactera grabber would be terrifying

[azure patrol]

:>

[azure patrol]

RIGHT

its literally perfect

[velvet marsh]

Rock and Stone Mike, rest easy

[pearl tinsel]

If we could repel the grabber it would be fun but otherwise no thanks lmao

[hidden hornet]

Bowling

[hollow wolf]

Thanks for answering so much! Have a great time off!

[lone cypress]

no the 2nd is just praet

[rugged hatch]

Nooo he didn’t answer my question >:0

[rocky dove]

unknown horror swarmer

[azure patrol]

it has too big of tusks to be praetorian

[rugged hatch]

Curious if in the Mission Control will stay the same or there will be a new one?

[hidden hornet]

No

Those ankle biters are already a nuisance when they are killable

[lone cypress]

pretty sure it looks exactly like praet outline

[azure patrol]

I just want more unknown horror contentt

[rugged hatch]

Tbh would be cool a female version of Mission Control, a tired and exhausted dwarf/human who is tired of the shenanigans

[pearl tinsel]

Devs are only legally allowed to hire one voice actor at a time so robert it is

[rugged hatch]

Wait really? Couldn’t they hire another voice actor too?

[pearl tinsel]

They could

[tall plume]

it was a joke

[pearl tinsel]

Or they could just use robert

[rugged hatch]

Sigh… gonna go and install Greedy Texan mod

[velvet marsh]

Maybe Robert could go really high in pitch and pretend to be a female mission control?

[pearl tinsel]

I'm trying to imagine it, and I can't imagine that voice being altered in any way

[velvet marsh]

I'm talking full falsetto range here

[rocky dove]

correct

[solid juniper]

do you think the game will be crosplay ?

[pearl tinsel]

Don't count on ir

[azure patrol]

did some cross checking, there are small differences that dont match the basic praetorian, but they dont match the twins either
But they do match the Basic Glyphid Dreadnought

[pearl tinsel]

Even though I wish it would be

[pure lake]

It'll probably have the same crossplay that DRG does

cross generation and xbox with pc

[pearl tinsel]

Which means none at all

[solid juniper]

sad

they should seriously consider it

[pearl tinsel]

Xbox only has it with pc gamepass which is still basically just the xbox version

[tall plume]

They did

[solid juniper]

and ?

their last reasoning for drg was that tis too much of work

[pure lake]

It's very difficult because every platform has their own rules

[tall plume]

#drg-chat message

[tall plume]

same reasoning here

[solid juniper]

but since rouge core is new game
they should have crossplay

sad

[tall plume]

that doesn't solve the issue of having to invest 12 people on it for maintenance only

[rocky dove]

i heard that it also makes pushing out updates harder because you need to do it across all platforms at the same time

[carmine zenith]

Rouge is the color red

[pearl tinsel]

Seriously why do people keep saying rouge core

[wicked token]

but the pictures on steam arnt ingame rendered

[fringe maple]

reroieugoiieuougie core

[hidden hornet]

And also takes longer since they have to go through microsofts certification system

[wicked token]

console has a 2 week verification process

so update needs to be put even earlier

no clue how a hotfix gets trough tho

[pearl tinsel]

Bug fix updates probably are just passed through much quicker

[hidden hornet]

Drg:rc april fools update: renamed rogue core to rouge core

[rocky dove]

whats to say a core cant be rogue and rouge at the same time

[pure lake]

The games that can afford crossplay are usually made by Triple A giants or monetized to all hell, DRG is neither

[pearl tinsel]

Cuz it's green

[rocky dove]

ill make it rouge

[pearl tinsel]

Terraria is doin it

[pure lake]

Terraria is one of the highest rated games on steam and sold millions of copies

[rocky dove]

terraria having crossplay sounds so random to me

[deep agate]

TECHNICALLY so is drg 👀 but i hated terraria on console.

[wicked token]

i played terraria on a xbox 360

[deep agate]

im sorry

[pearl tinsel]

Terraria crossplay is based

[median sleet]

Why do you have the new symbol next to your name?

[pearl tinsel]

They keep firing and hiring new studios, and every time, the new studio redoes the controls and menus in a shitty way

[wicked token]

how you get those icons

[tall plume]

he challenged Mark to a duel and won, earning him the right to be a moderator

[rocky dove]

unions, you can join one on the steam version of drg

[pearl tinsel]

Console version now uses PC's menu system and it's a pain in the ass

[rocky dove]

look for one of the terminals in the space rig, there is one near the pickaxe terminal

[tall plume]

it's Steam only

[wicked token]

i see

will this new game be console to ?

[tall plume]

oh my god @median sleet

your name

[median sleet]

What's wrong?

[tall plume]

You did it on purpose

[median sleet]

I've always been called that

[tall plume]

YOU DID IT ON PURPOSE

[hollow bear]

[fluid jacinth]

I believe so. Atleast hope so

[rocky dove]

lol

[median sleet]

I've got no idea what you're talking about

[tall plume]

nice new name

[pure lake]

Chances are it'll launch on PC first

[pearl tinsel]

Bruh

[pure jewel]

your nickname was changed x3

[median sleet]

Hahaha lol

[wicked token]

i suspected as much

but good so i have time if i want it

[median sleet]

I am surprised you only noticed now

[tall plume]

I've been busy D:

[hidden hornet]

I'm gonna do something chaotic

Roge coure

[hollow bear]

Roag

[lone cypress]

rough core

[pure lake]

wonder if there'll be any cross save compatibility so I can bring all my fancy hats with me

[hollow wolf]

Coge Roar

[wicked token]

rhugh chore

[pure lake]

Cough Roar

[deep agate]

i wonder if we'll be able to find and equip new beards during a mission and since its a roguelite, beards....could give you powers >>

[hidden hornet]

I do not like the thought of a dwarf ripping their beard off then glueing a new one on

[median sleet]

Finds a dead dwarfs

'Oh nice, a new beard!'

[tall plume]

death

[pure lake]

Life system, every time you die your beard gets a slight shave. If you become clean shaven you die.

[rocky dove]

snap on beards

[fringe maple]

its like one of those santa beards with a string

[deep agate]

in warhammer chaosbane, playing as slayer you "find" new tattoos as equipment and they came with beards lol

[tall plume]

look, new name again

[deep agate]

because they dont wear armor they just got tats

[median sleet]

Thanks, I like this one more

[hidden hornet]

Rougue core lol

oh wait I made it worse

Screw it, add more u's

[wet tulip]

Rug Core

[fringe maple]

ruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuge core

hmmm

[wet tulip]

Huge Core

[fringe maple]

ruwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuwuge core

[pure lake]

I wonder if Rogue Core will get its own seasonal updates or if thats gonna be DRG territory

[wet tulip]

I'm sure it'll get occasional content updates

[tall plume]

rug core ?

https://tenor.com/view/cat-pulling-rug-rug-pull-gif-20693086

[wet tulip]

That's what I'm saying

[fringe maple]

the core is a rug confirmed

[tall plume]

I don't think you should except seasonal stuff before the game is on 1.0

as to after that, it's debatable depending on the game but it doesn't fit the roguelite genre in general.

[pure lake]

we still had several updates after 1.0 before any seasonal stuff started didnt we

[tall plume]

we only had 3, one of them being purely a balance update without "content"

[median sleet]

elite enemies were content 😂

[tall plume]

(and I don't count the one which was literally just "this was supposed to be in 1.0 but ran ouf ot time")

[tall plume]

never heard of 'em

[pure lake]

one of the updates was to make the elite enemies not be a global effect iirc

[tall plume]

that was a patch after the update introducing them

[pure lake]

I can see Rouge Core having elites as a regular occurance

[hidden hornet]

Elite cave leech

[pure lake]

It grows legs

[small bough]

I hope the enemies do more than just walk towards you like in DRG

ones that charge or pounce would be cool

[deep agate]

or grab you from a distance

[hollow wolf]

Maybe we can finally get the mimic enemy

[wet tulip]

Or more variants than just Slasher and Guard

[tall plume]

we have ones that yoink you around and one that hits you at high speed, does that count as a charge ?

also swarmers somewhat pounces

[wet tulip]

I want one that sits on the ceiling and grabs you and you die because you can't damage it while you're grabbed

[small bough]

yeah they're in DRG, but I mean for them to be more common

cause in DRG the most common ones, even the stronger ones. Just walk towards you and bite

[tall plume]

I've yet to see a shellback biting someone

[median sleet]

Just noticed Bosco in the fourth screenshot from the store page

[small bough]

I meant Glyphids

cause a 3rd game where you're dealing with just Glyphids who walk towards you in a swarm to bite is gonna get repetitive

[deep agate]

rogue core or drg, i still hope we got some kind of gallery for drg fan art over the years 😦

[small bough]

works for DRG because it's more casual, Survivor works because it's that genre of game

[deep agate]

kinda wish instead of EOTM board we had a fan art frame that showcased stuff

[small bough]

would love to see fewer but just more stronger enemies spawn more

oh I'll love to see more community incorporated in the game

so much DRG fanart missed

[tall plume]

where ? 🤔

ah

i think I see it

[median sleet]

All the way on the right, in the back

Has one of his skins on

[tall plume]

yeah it does look like him

[deep agate]

little creeper.

[tall plume]

Question time

https://cdn.cloudflare.steamstatic.com/steam/apps/2605790/ss_ae933ebe05f61aebc70ec0fc92c39ce3ad9ef96c.1920x1080.jpg?t=1696512821

[deep agate]

is anyone else bothered that in all three screenshots with the arm mounted computer thingy....its always 43%? like...is 43% a placeholder number?!

[tall plume]

Which dev do you think is "Mr.PutThatCookieDown" ?

(no cheating)

[median sleet]

Hmmm

Jacob?

[tall plume]

Nah, Jacob is here with his normal name

[latent raptor]

Its obviously Jacobs alt that he uses his toes to play. gg ez

[median sleet]

Also who is dagadegatto?

[tall plume]

I'm betting it's Aaron or Johan

[tall plume]

Mike

[median sleet]

Lol I am blind

[deep agate]

Cookiemans

[median sleet]

Ah thanks

[deep agate]

outta retirement

[tall plume]

doubtful lol

[median sleet]

I wonder what it does, is the upgrade you unlocking a new perk? Or something mission related

[deep agate]

i kind of thing its unlocking an upgrade, just because i see two green one and a blue

blue being the better upgrade

[median sleet]

Could be

[tall plume]

I'm so hyped for Rogue Core

it cannot come out quickly enough

[fickle iris]

e

[small bough]

I'm always down for more FPS co-op roguelites

[median sleet]

It could also just be a different character, as I noticed some green flares on the ground in another screenshot

[tall plume]

looks like the base testing model is gunner

gunner best class confirmed
#totallynotbiased

[latent raptor]

Man ngl im so exited

since its a roguelite the devs can just go haywire with weapon designs and upgrades

[small bough]

I can't wait to see more from the world

see what a team of more advanced Dwarves would be like

[hollow bear]

Maybe it's a clue

[hollow wolf]

the game is 43% done! wow!

[latent raptor]

They are all grey (gigachads)

[tall plume]

maybe it means the core is only 43% gone rogue ?

[small bough]

though I hope the upgrades are more unique and not super generic

would love ones that give you a debuff but in exchange a stronger buff

similar to how games like Immortal Redneck handled stuff

make it wacky go crazy

[latent raptor]

Basically overclocks in the form of upgrades

nice

ngl i'd love that

[small bough]

pretty much

just the more unique overclocks

increased ammo and firerate, however you can't reload until clip is empty

firing a weapon launches you backwards (similar to the Double Barrel overclock) but 20% decreased overall damage

[median sleet]

Nvm there's a yellow flare in the screenshot with the blue screen, so it probably is the rarities

[deep agate]

4 + 3 is 7 and 7 is a lucky number in dice rolling and the fuzzy dice are a pair of dice whose most likely combined roll is 7 and the studio is Danish therefor........... bet on black. Follow the white rabbit, ~D

[hollow bear]

43% more Rouge, 43% less verdigris

[median sleet]

No rouge core for 5 days and we're already going insane

[small bough]

Core.. Rogue?

curious whats the difference between a regular Core if those one has gone Rogue

[median sleet]

The redness

[median sleet]

I wonder how the 'time dilation' thing will work

[tall plume]

likely slowing down the thing for everyone - killing floor style

[median sleet]

That'd be cool

Also just noticed that it seems like everyone will get the same selection of 5 perks, but you can't choose the same one as someone else

[tall plume]

no idea how the upgrade system will work at all with the co-cop system 🤔

got plenty of questions on that front as it seems very easy to grief

[median sleet]

And it seems like Dagadegatto is making a tank build, they have a little heart next to the shield boost perk and they seem to have another perk that makes them tankier when standing still

[median sleet]

Yeah, it seems very weird. But at the same time it also makes everyone have a different build which I like

[west warren]

man hope there wont be fighting over who gets what, seems like itd be hard to coordinate with randoms

[tall plume]

I have faith into GSG about that, I'm just curious, that's all

besides, we're gonna provide feedback on that front and they can always improve if needs be

[west warren]

tru

good to experiment

[tall plume]

Griefing potential will still likely remain but it's the same as in DRG

[median sleet]

Oh and the little hearts about the perks with the names are who wants that one

MeKill seems to already have taken a perk while the others have their wanted perks marked

[hollow wolf]

i just hope there's some mechanism other than good will stopping people from vacuuming up all the good stuff (like what happens in ROR2)

[median sleet]

Also like how MeKill has (DRG dev) next to their name as if there's other people besides devs playing 😂

[tall plume]

to be fair, RoR2 is a solo game slapped with a multiplayer feature

it was never - and never will be - balanced and designed for co-op

RoRR might be the first time there's a balance done around co-op for a RoR game

[west warren]

any1 mention the lok1 in the corner? idk the pistol not sure if thats a driller or gunner weap or smth

[median sleet]

Pistol looks like a starter weapon to me

[tall plume]

The pistol is a reclaimer weapon
there's no class in Rogue Core so which "classes" plays what isn't exactly relevant

and yeah, it's likely the starting gun

I dig the design

[west warren]

yeah its cool, i aways love pistols

[median sleet]

Looks like the old DRG weapon models

[tall plume]

nah

definitely not

still has nightmare of the old models

whatever people say, they were ugly

[latent raptor]

i really hope that the starting weapons can scale well just like other weapons you may find and not just turn into a last resort type low damage peashooter

[median sleet]

I guess it has been a while since I looked at the old models so I might be misremembering

[median sleet]

Maybe you can switch it out

[tall plume]

boot up legacy

boot up legacy and see for yourself

[median sleet]

Good point lol

[latent raptor]

OG crspr lol

[median sleet]

I really like the UI in that screenshot though

Looks very clean already, the hearts could be a bit more obvious though

[west warren]

i love how drg looks cant wait to actually see RC

wish my internet wasnt down i wanna play drg

[median sleet]

Oh that's probably what they mean with 'Cooperative selection of upgrades, Artifacts, Weapons and Tools' in the roadmap

Also they wrote Artefact but it should be Artifact if they're going for American English again

[tall plume]

they switch between the two

still better english than the average bri'ish or americans tho

[latent raptor]

eggs d e e

[median sleet]

Yeah, honestly I do too

[tall plume]

same

[raven steppe]

So what'd be the philosophy for upgrades? Usually in roguelikes there isn't a hard cap of sorts as for how much power you can accumulate

[latent raptor]

game bad if i can't one shot nuke all terrain

[atomic canyon]

devs confirmed the first cut scene for rouge core will be the spacerig getting crushed into dust by the ramrod followed by the captain of the ship flushing a toilet and coming out of the bathroom

[latent raptor]

LOUD INCORRECT BUZZER

[tranquil herald]

Heavily depends on the game. Risk of Rain 2 absolutely does not do this.

You can and will become an unkillable god past a certain point

[sudden flower]

im a little confused, is rogue core the same thing as survivor? or are they two seperate games theyre making?

[rocky dove]

Separate games. Also survivor isn't developed by gsg, just published

Rc is being developed by gsg

[tranquil herald]

Survivor is a single player top down game, Rogue Core is a first person co-op game.

[sudden flower]

ohhh i see

[hollow wolf]

rouge

[tall plume]

check the pinned messages 🙂

lot of into and clarification about everything going on

[sudden flower]

just did, thanks!

[velvet marsh]

Man, I love checking the pinned messages, it's so cool, everyone should do it

[tall plume]

spread the "check the pinned messages" love

[velvet marsh]

Normalize checking the pinned messages, it's okay!

[rocky dove]

I should start saying this to force good habits

[neat patio]

I find it pretty interesting we haven’t seen any screenshots of enemies yet. I understand the visual style is still being developed, so it could be that that the updated models aren’t ready yet, but I’m holding out hope that we’re gonna see some really weird enemies down in the abyssal depths of Hoxxes.

[marsh minnow]

Do you think some of the enemies will move away from bug inspiration? (Like, they are still bugs, but their inspiration might be something like a bear)

[pearl tinsel]

Dunno. Would be nice to see other species besides glyphids see more usage. Maybe more nayaka or mactera or naedocyte enemies

[marsh minnow]

Yeah, but the other species are way more specific than the glyphids

Mactera are ONLY flying and seem to be based off of flies (as far as I can tell), and the naedocytes seem to be based off jellyfish

[pearl tinsel]

We need a lobstah

[marsh minnow]

We do

I think a horshoe crab glyphid would be great, but the concept wouldn't be all that interesting past the surface

[pearl tinsel]

Larger species of deeptora would be neat

I know there's been some new enemies shown in the boardgame not present in drg itself which is really odd

Like a glyphid charger or something

[marsh minnow]

I was going to talk about that

But I wasn't sure

[cyan valley]

Stingtail is a bit horseshoe crabby

[marsh minnow]

It's a scorpion tho

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah it's very scorpion-esque

[marsh minnow]

And the armor is just bc its overtuned

[pearl tinsel]

Glyphids are basically arachnids

[cyan valley]

I meant more the armored top and pointy tail

[fresh jetty]

they're very weird ant-spider hybrids

[marsh minnow]

Ohhh, wait

[pearl tinsel]

Yeah

[marsh minnow]

Hmmm

Could there be something big at the core, like a hive remnant?

I know GSG said we won't ever fight the glyphid queen

But there is a hive guard, and they are still being born

[pearl tinsel]

Tyranid hive fleet at the core of the planet

[pearl tinsel]

I don't really see why

[marsh minnow]

It doesn't fit DRG, but since this is a roguelike spinoff, there is a big chance

[pearl tinsel]

I guess I just don't really see how it wouldn't fit

[marsh minnow]

I think a mini boss would be a fully developed hive guard

For DRG Core

[pearl tinsel]

Umless there's like only one queen or something

Which I guess I could understand in that case, but meh

[fresh jetty]

makes me wonder if the queen is dead, how the glyphids continue existing

unless there's just a lot of them

[marsh minnow]

What about the glyphid cocoons?

The eggs you can sometimes find?

[pearl tinsel]

You saying the queen of england is the glyphid's mother?

[marsh minnow]

Yes

[fresh jetty]

yeah but what is producing them

[fresh jetty]

fact

[pearl tinsel]

Their queen or whatever

[marsh minnow]

I thought their queen died

[pearl tinsel]

Is that stated somewhere?

[marsh minnow]

That's why the dwarves say something abt their mother

[fresh jetty]

it is implied the queen died with the "die like your mother did!" voiceline

[marsh minnow]

Yeah

Ohhh, wait

[pearl tinsel]

Well I doubt there's only one queen

[marsh minnow]

HOLD UP

YEAH

Bugs normally have a process to get another queen

The glyphids could have killed the core to set up enough space for her

[fresh jetty]

I mean there's probably a method they have to replace the queen since they wouldn't survive long if they just instantly all died when the queen did

[marsh minnow]

So the glyphid strain rapidly mutated to get the space ASAP

Which is why all the mining rigs went dark so fast

I like that theory

[pearl tinsel]

Hard to say either way, only people who know is the devs till we get to play the alpha

[fresh jetty]

I wonder if karl will have anything to do with the core, or if he died outside of it

[pearl tinsel]

Didn't you see that crack in the planet?

Also

I think the new trailer is a new render of hoxxes, it looks a lot bigger than the one in drg itself

[opaque radish]

karl was so strong he caused that giant crack in the planet

change my mind

he was simply that cool and awesome

[pearl tinsel]

Carl was the only 5'10" dwarf

[velvet marsh]

My headcannon is there's multiple hives and many different glyphid Hivequeens around Hoxxes

[pearl tinsel]

Why can't we see the hives

Actually

I think elim blue stuff is supposed to represent glyphid hives

It just doesn't look like it

[velvet marsh]

I like this cuz it could justify a hivequeen assassination mission in the future

[pearl tinsel]

Maybe like a raid boss type thing but idunno

[velvet marsh]

Hivequeen is guarding the rogue core, you heard it here first folks

Not just a hivequeen, a Rogue Hivequeen

[azure latch]

With regards to session-based weapons: Is it possible to make them instanced or permanently allocated to prevent ninjalooting?

[velvet marsh]

I don't remember them saying anything about instanced loot, but I doubt it. Co-op is supposed to be a big focus here, I'd guess you're supposed to let each other get stuff

Negotiate on who gets what

[small bough]

I think its just gonna be first come first served

[velvet marsh]

As to preventing griefing idk, they'll prolly try to tackle that in multiple ways

[small bough]

Like all coop Roguelites

[atomic canyon]

rouge hivequeen

[small bough]

Permanent weapons ruins the roguelite formula

[azure latch]

so yet another "play with friends only" game, i see...

[elder rapids]

that one dude who joins and takes literally everything

[limpid zinc]

they'll probably have some way of ensuring everyone gets a piece

drg kind of thrives on community

[azure latch]

well drg only works well because it doesn't leave much room for consequential griefing. Loot not being instanced or auto-allocated WILL cause issues. (especially in a peer-to-peer netcode setting, mind you)

[velvet marsh]

That makes sense, I suppose it's something they'll have to look into for sure

[limpid zinc]

If they don't have something at the start they'll quickly find it becomes an issue

[small bough]

You mean most coop games?

Then yes

Not a single coop game is worse with friends

Plus it's a roguelite

The genre of games not known for being fair

[azure latch]

no need to put elements into the game that make randoms toxic to each other though

it's what sours most coop games

[small bough]

It isnt

You want a better gun, find it

[azure latch]

so you get kicked because you found it before the host?

[small bough]

Never once happened in any of these roguelite games

Also it's not drop in drop out

[azure latch]

gunfire reborn has instanced loot and it works

[small bough]

It's probably not gonna have vote kick

[azure latch]

votekick is useless on peer to peer, pulling the ethernet cable is the ultimate vote

[small bough]

Ok

[digital prairie]

was hoping it would play like gunfire reborn myself

i think it does coop roguelite pretty well

[fresh canyon]

Have you literally ever played risk of rain 2

[digital prairie]

rogueli(k/t)es arent really my thing but they can be fun and with drg dna i might like it more

[fresh canyon]

The dipshit loader main takes literally every item and then whines when everyone else dies constantly on stage 4 because they have 3 bison steaks each

Roguelike games with loot drops and no instanced loot is a guaranteed recipe for unfun and annoying multiplayer

Ror2 pubs are unplayable

Risk of rain 2 co op is a perfect case study for why roguelike co op needs instanced loot

[small bough]

Yes I have

I never happened there either lol

[languid flower]

Will the early access be free?

[small bough]

Probably not

[languid flower]

Valid

[small bough]

The closed tests will probably be free

Which starts in Q1

[languid flower]

2024?

[small bough]

Yeeh

[languid flower]

Oh cool

[small bough]

I'm pumped

That and Survivor launch

[languid flower]

Yeah rogue core looks very interesting

[small bough]

Gonna be great

[hollow wolf]

It's worth noting that Risk of Rain 2 and Gunfire Reborn both are cases of roguelites where the co-op modes are just playing the game with more people with no special co-op objectives or game elements and you either have to divide the loot or get your own. In both cases, nothing in the game motivates you to care about your teammates at all. Not having instanced loot doesn't have to be a problem if things are divided up or have to be divided up between the dwarves in such a way that you need to care about what everyone has. The teaser screenshots and what they've said on stream suggest they're trying to lean that way with the design.

[small bough]

^^

[azure latch]

RoR2 had an unofficial instanced loot mod to alleviate the issues, while GFR had it hard-coded built in.

[small bough]

Roguelites + public random coop

Doesn't work

Very much against the genre but maybe GSG will change it

I'll rather a bigger focus on community and getting together

Especially for runs between 30-1 hour long

[wet tulip]

I never thought about this issue until now 🤔 I wonder how GSG will resolve it?

[small bough]

We'll have to wait and see

[azure latch]

it can be made working, DRG managed to fully steer clear of everything that soured the experience. And it has to work, lest DRG RC will not stand out from other similar games.

[wet tulip]

If we spark up this conversation every so often, hopefully we'll get a dev's comments on it.

[digital prairie]

gunfire lets you trade loot

but it also gives everyone a chance to get something of their own and keep it

feels like the best of both worlds to me

[waxen garnet]

Literal skill issue, in my nearly thousand hours I have never once had a game even remotely like that

[hollow wolf]

it definitely totally avoids the friction you get from risk of rain 2's implementation, but also nothing in the game motivates you to interact with your team at all beyond your own altruistic impulses and perhaps your desire to not be the last man standing

[digital prairie]

that is fair enough

[hollow wolf]

it would be interesting to see if GSG can design a roguelite where you do need to make intelligent team loot choices and there's intrinsic motivation to do that from the challenges/objectives in the game

[digital prairie]

i just feel like if the tools for collaboration are there, its up to the players to utilize and enjoy them for the collaborative experience

and having the option to "lone wolf it" would still be better than letting someone vacuum up all the loot and actively detract from others

[small bough]

It's harder to build coop to an experience that's a commitment like these dives

[digital prairie]

in the best case a coop game would be escalated into a coop experience

[small bough]

Sure DRG has Deep Dives

[digital prairie]

but id take indifference over negative impact

at least

[small bough]

But they're seemingly shorter and youre not losing stuff if you lose

Just time

A roguelite with randoms that doesn't take the experience away from the challenge people love in the genre is tricky

[digital prairie]

i will provide the disclaimer that i dont like roguelites or roguelike games that much

[small bough]

Shared loot can work but as a result you're not encouraging exploration and no need to experiment. Everyone just picks the best weapon they find in the level

[digital prairie]

the only one i really play is gunfire reborn and its mostly just to hang out with my friends that play it a lot more passionately

[small bough]

You can allow people to drop their weapons

But its time based and who's gonna drop guns for randoms

The issue is around randoms afterall

[digital prairie]

im not a fan of the hugely random gameplay elements, but i am at least looking forward to how rogue core would play out, having the same dev team as drg (which is imo the best 4 player horde shooter game out there)

[digital prairie]

im curious what you mean by this

[small bough]

Roguelites are designed around dying and luck

Youre not suppose to complete your first run

[digital prairie]

if everyone got 1 thing of loot from each drop, it wouldnt discourage finding more loot, right? everyone can benefit from having more

tradable loot might make improve your chances since you get more pulls per source and can negotiate trades with other players

[small bough]

And the idea in coop comes in the roguelite that you're not supporting your time

Youre saving them to not be left to deal with everything yourself

[digital prairie]

but unless everyone is playing to just superbuff one person and let them carry, they will still be looking to get the same amount of loot so they can all contribute, right

[small bough]

And the idea is you'll let people get loot who need is, the unspoken rule

You got some good gear, let your teammates pick one

And shared gear will usually result in people with the same load outs

[bronze steppe]

How do I get into the closed alpha?

[small bough]

Especially if gadgets and weapons and perks are all shared

[digital prairie]

to me this just feels a little cynical of coop, i think. playing with others and supporting them is valid and part of the fun for a lot of players. there is the option to just play separately towards the same goal and that is valid too. but i dont think thats an intrinsic part of any coop game

[small bough]

Happens when you can pick your own items in these roguelites

[digital prairie]

just different playstyles in the same sandbox

[small bough]

Itll depend what kind of expression the game has

[hollow wolf]

closed alpha isn't until q1 next year. they'll give info out on how to get into it as we get nearer to it

[small bough]

But most roguelites support the speed + damage

Being slower = death always

However I'll like to see how GSG handled it

[bronze steppe]

yeah I know, I just want to maximise my chances at getting in

but since they haven't yet given out any info I guess I'll just have to wait and see

[small bough]

Name your first born Rogue Core

[tall plume]

Become a community tester

though that's a hard task by itself

[small bough]

Will increase your closed alpha chance

I imagine GSG will do a community stress test

[median sleet]

Make me one favorite dev

[tall plume]

[tall plume]

only possible for people saying rogue core so you're disqualified

[small bough]

Pwned

[broken flame]

I wonder how much cosmetics they're gonna do with RC?

[median sleet]

https://tenor.com/view/starwars-outrageous-unfair-gif-10552482

embed fail

[pure jewel]

so i'm qualified, nice!

[broken flame]

Tbh, and this is probably not gonna happen, I hope the dwarfs look is changed based on what items they grab o3o

[tall plume]

too bad regulars aren't bosconaut anymore @median sleet

https://tenor.com/view/embed-fail-deep-rock-galactic-nondrgchat-non-drg-bosco-gif-26288724

because that's the perfect gif for it

[tall plume]

I'll put in a good word for you (and bully the devs into making an actual rule for getting in )

[pure jewel]

thanks

[median sleet]

If I can't say rouge anymore, I don't want in

[forest rain]

What if they replace the flares in RC with just better flashlights ?

[tall plume]

do you speak french btw ?

[median sleet]

I had to learn it in highschool but I sucked at it

But I understand very basic French

[tall plume]

understandable

but then it's even worse because you know it's not rouge but do it just to spite me

[median sleet]

Noir, jaune, bleu I know my colours

[pure jewel]

rogue and stone! to the core xD

[median sleet]

I could rant about hating to learn French all day but I'll keep it out of this chat

[fresh canyon]

Im the one doing that shit fam

Either that or someone else

[marsh minnow]

How do you get access to the closed tests?

Do you have to be a content creator?

[tall plume]

being a content creator doesn't guarante you alpha access

though it does certainly help but we still don't know how they will handle it.

For all we know, it could be a completely open access on request.

We'll know more in a few months.

[marsh minnow]

K

[small bough]

Yeah Q1

[marsh minnow]

I hope they delve more into the weird objects in DRG

Like, the stuff that glitches the ping tool

There is one weird alter in azure weald that glitches the pinger a LOT

Makes it go like [[[[[[[[P]]]]]]]

[tall plume]

the LORE is probably going to expand in some direction but it's still going to remain mostly mysterious

don't expect it to be a change of pace for compared to DRG
might even get less overall, depending on how the game is built.

[simple cloak]

tfw the rockpox actually went deeper than we thought

[austere slate]

yooooooo I hope they have rockpox in rogue core that would be sick

pls make it happen devs I'm begging you 🙏

[ruby knot]

Pock rox

[carmine zenith]

Sweet delicious rock pox

[small bough]

I think Rock Pox would make a good addition

especially as a difficulty/challenge modifer

[carmine zenith]

Make the whole game rockpox filled. All the time.

[median sleet]

I wonder if we'll even get grunts

And if we do if they'll look different

[small bough]

I reckon we'll gte Grunts

[median sleet]

Has my name been changed again? I thought it was rouge core galactic

[small bough]

its not

its now Ron Core Galactic

[tall plume]

wasn't me but another mod probably did 😂

[median sleet]

Tater 100% sure

[velvet marsh]

Dude, I bet if you laser pointer the Core it'll show up like [[[[[R|O|U]]]G|U}E]]]]]]

[tall plume]

could be dwarfurious too

[median sleet]

Hmm maybe

[tall plume]

😂

nevermind, it's Tater

[median sleet]

I liked Ron Con Galactic too lol

[small bough]

hi Ron

[median sleet]

This is all your fault

[small bough]

that's not a very nice thing to say Ron

[median sleet]

These mods have gone rouge

[tall plume]

you mean rondle

[median sleet]

Ok, thanks for the new name

[pure jewel]

Hi ron

[median sleet]

Who's ron?

[pure jewel]

You, silly

[small bough]

I miss Ron

did you see where he went Rondle?

[median sleet]

He was a good dwarf

[small bough]

Oh hi Ron

[median sleet]

Nope, not a clue

[tall plume]

look

Ron is back

[small bough]

Ay guys it's me Ron

spaghetti and meatballs

[median sleet]

Hi Ron, you're back

[tall plume]

oh wait

it's not Ron

[median sleet]

Classis Ron

[tall plume]

time to ban for impersonation

[potent trout]

two rons

[small bough]

Yeah ban the imposter

you know it's really me, Ron

I have all the classic catchphrases

[median sleet]

'The core has gone rouge'

[small bough]

Eat my shorts

[fresh canyon]

Core rogue console?

[small bough]

That sounds dangerous

[median sleet]

It's time to console the core to make it not go rouge

[potent trout]

plot twist: the rouge core is tater

[small bough]

But what if the rouge core goes rogue

[frigid path]

Can the real Ron Shady please stand up, please stand up, please stand up

[tardy mango]

Rogue core is survivors? 🤔

[wet tulip]

Survivor is a different game

[tardy mango]

what is rogue core? is there a chat for survivors i don't see it? when i see a suggestion & announcement for it.

[rocky dove]

survivors has its own separate server since it isnt developed by gsg

[tardy mango]

oh? ok thanks.

[thorn prawn]

survivours wasnt gsg?

i though it was

[tardy mango]

Well thakns info, i searched for a specific, found it. Thanks mate. Bye.

[rocky dove]

its just published by gsg

[thorn prawn]

wow

nice to see thats its a fan game of sorts

its kinda just a top down rogue core by the looks of things (yes i know it came first)

[tall plume]

check the pinned messages
@thorn prawn as well

[maiden grove]

anyone know where to find DRG Rogue Core Discord invite if it has one?

[zenith rock]

will rogue core have our favorite 4 mentally dissabled darves or will there be new classes?

[marsh minnow]

There are no classes

I saw a video on it, the differences in game come from the reclaimer suits and the different guns/upgrades

[icy vapor]

You're in it. Third pinned message down.

[marsh minnow]

Watch the Deep Rock Galactic: Rogue Core Showcase (On The Horizon 2023) video on YT

[marsh minnow]

They talk about the game about 13 minutes in

[zenith rock]

thank you very much

rock and stone

[rocky trellis]

interesting concept -- excited. first time hearing about 'rougelite' genre

[rocky dove]

Rougelite

Core gone Rouge 👄 💄

[rocky trellis]

so based off their video today, the thought is this expenite and XP and stuff, in between (after/before) the 5-stage missions, can be used to make 'progress' -- like you don't start totally brand new for each mission. you can carry forward stuff you've worked on from prior missions?

[marsh minnow]

Yes

You work to earn the right to work

References aside, it's kinda like a deep dive

[rocky trellis]

so whenever you get stuff during mission (like Expenite) that is shared between those who played that specific mission (like minerals mined in a DRG mission), but then in between missions, how all of that is used is for each personal player's progression

[marsh minnow]

Multiple stages, get exp, unlock temporary stuff, scavenge stuff, die/complete mission, get permanent upgrades

[rocky trellis]

ok

[marsh minnow]

I think in between missions, all the stuff is shared

So if I get 200 expenite in the mission, and my buddy gets 100

I get 2 temporary upgrades, and he gets one

But we both end with 300 expenite

That we can put into unlocking guns

[rocky trellis]

but when the whole 'dive' is done, you get to do whatever you want with the 300, like your own player's progression

[marsh minnow]

Yes

Like how you can use minerals in base DRG to upgrade your own guns without other players interfering

[rocky trellis]

yeah exactly. ok makes sense

[marsh minnow]

Np, glad to help

Rock and stone

[rocky trellis]

R&S. if it ain't drillable it's probably flammable

[vagrant elm]

may be the wrong chat but is there a submission place to apply for the alpha for RC or is it handled elsewhere/no community invites

i have dedicated several weeks of my life to DRG and im ready to do it again

[fierce solstice]

You'll probably have to wait for June

As it is when the devs will give us more info about rouge

[vagrant elm]

ah, fair enough

rns brother

[rocky dove]

closed alpha is in q1 of next year

[velvet marsh]

I wonder if the Reclaimer pistols are at least 100lbs

cuz we all know if not they just ain't guns

[vagrant elm]

give me a rock in a sock for all I care

[fierce solstice]

Kinda strange the alpha is this close

I'd have expected june since they delayed S5 to june as well as it's about rouge's events

[velvet marsh]

yeah Q1 next year is the closed alpha, november next year is the Early Access release, according to the roadmap

[lone cypress]

rock core

i hear this game is all about playing as rogue cores from portal

[velvet marsh]

precisely, don't tell anyone but the developers told me that what is in the core is actually some actual cake (real)

[fresh canyon]

Cant wait for the cinematic final boss fight where Karl says “its over Deep Rock Galactic i am Karl the Rogue Core ™️” and rogue cores all over the reclaimers and credits roll

[old swift]

i'd imagine the closed alpha is like the closed testing for seasons, it's probably the same selected community testers

[fresh canyon]

Zzz

Hopefully a wide opt-in

[icy vapor]

https://youtu.be/FnGwezcx8EQ
Closed Alpha will be a sign-up thing in the future; the things we don't know is how many players or how they'll be chosen from those who sign up.

[fierce solstice]

Most of the bosconauts will probably be in

along with any community contributor

[tall plume]

Regulars don't get a special treatment, and none of the other community roles do either, outside of community testers.

[fierce solstice]

Don't they ?

I thought so

[tall plume]

Being a regular just give you the yellow color, access to the reg chat and having to respect the rules even more

[brave oriole]

Random question, who are the Banana Bunch? is it just people the devs know?

[tall plume]

That's the regular role

[brave oriole]

ah, so like folk who have been around for a while and talk often

[fierce solstice]

Each month the devs go rob a bank, and regulars are people willing to go rob with them

[tall plume]

helpful, friendly, staying (mostly) out of trouble with moderation, and active.

[fierce solstice]

Basically the normal lads