#General Discussion - Entertainment
median pulsar
People are bitching about it for a multitude of reasons but I'm pretty hyped
I think it looks incredible
The one thing I agree with the haters on is his arm looking kinda dumb
They made everything a bit more modern and realistic about his design except for that
And I'm worried they won't have Johnny Yong Bosch voice Vash. They haven't approached him yet and everyone is freaking out because they said "all new cast" but I'm holding out hope that they're just talking about the Japanese version.
If the original voice actor, who is beyond beloved and overwhelmingly agreed to be perfect for the role, is willing and available, they'd be stupid not to get him.
I saw someone bitching about his earring though and I was just like 
but he always had that?
The people complaining about his hair are the worst. Like he never ever wore his hair down. 
median pulsar
If the original voice actor, who is beyond beloved and overwhelmingly agreed to ...
Actually I'll be devastated if they don't bring back Richard Cansino for Legato. He IS that role as far as I'm concerned. I immediately hear his voice in my head when I see a picture of Legato or read a quote, and when reading the manga.
Also I just remembered that Richard Cansino is also the voice of Kenshin Himura, which I find absolutely hilarious because the characters are polar opposites. I mainly watched the sub for Kenshin but I remember thinking Richard did a great Kenshin too.
I need to finish that show someday. I just kinda lost interest after the Kyoto arc because the show went from pretty good to PHENOMENAL then dropped back down to just good and it was just disappointing after the Kyoto arc. 
I was going to watch Fushigi Yûgi after Cowboy Bebop if I was still in an anime mood but I should probably do Kenshin first considering it's much more similar to Trigun, and I never finished it.
I just realized, Kenshin and Bebop are both extremely similar to Trigun but in opposite ways 🤔
I guess they all have elements of "mysterious past uncovered"
Bebop and Trigun both have the space and bounty hunting elements and generally a more American vibe, where Trigun and Kenshin both have the legendary fighter with a devastating past who are feared by all, but they're really a total pacifist and completely misunderstood, while having a more old-fashioned vibe (Kenshin actually taking place in the past, with Trigun happening in the future but in a wasteland with most technology being lost). Not to mention that samurai shit is essentially Japan's equivalent to westerns. Very similar vibes.
quasi raptor
I know I shouldn't get my hopes up but if this happened maybe there's hope for a new cowboy bebop?
median pulsar
I mean Cowboy Bebop did get a live action version and we all know how that went 
quasi raptor
Yeah I wish they wouldn't consider that when talking about animation
cause I'm just talking about animation
median pulsar
I forget, Cowboy Bebop wasn't based on a manga though, right?
quasi raptor
yeah it actually wasnt im pretty sure
That's probably one of the reasons why it feels so original
median pulsar
I feel like it's less likely because it's more well known than Trigun, regarded as a classic (not to say that Trigun isn't also a classic), and I feel like they wouldn't want to fuck with it. A lot of people feel it's perfect as is. Trigun on the other hand is based on a manga, a lot of which wasn't covered in the show, so I could see there being more desire and demand for a reboot.
But who knows! A lot of movies that absolutely didn't need sequels got them anyway and ended up actually being good.
Although it sounds like Trigun Stampede is not trying to adapt Trigun Maximum, which is another reason people are very worried about it
quasi raptor
What I don't quite understand is why the original cowboy bebop ended so soon
Like was it because it just got canceled unexpectedly or was it just that they had fulfilled the story they had to tell
Because the ending of cowboy bebop does feel pretty final
It feels like a legit conclusion to a story
Pretty much
median pulsar
Because Japanese production, much like British production, is not like American production. We see something getting a good response and we'll bleed it dry through 10 seasons of questionable quality because people are invested and will still watch it. Japanese and British TV are like "A'ight we got a story to tell, we're gonna tell it, then move on to the next one." Which honestly usually makes for a better show. (Of course there are exceptions, like Dragon Ball and Inuyasha that were absolutely milked to death.)
Yeah I think they just finished the story they were trying to tell
They could have stretched it out for a few seasons and added more filler and fleshed things out more, but then the pacing would probably be weird
I need to remember to watch the Cowboy Bebop movie at the right moment chronologically
quasi raptor
Because Japanese production, much like British production, is not like American ...
okI guess I didn't realize this before
but WOAH
they actually care about story over money
that blows my mind
love it
median pulsar
The one thing Japan does that annoys me is they'll see a popular manga and jump on it even if it's not done, and animes have much larger teams and more efficient production so they catch up then have to make up their own ending. There were so many shows in the 90s and 2000s based on mangas that weren't concluded that only ran for a season and made up their own endings.
So they're not flawless and still do care about the money, but they do it in more of a way that they'll be like "We'll capitalize on the popularity now, then later on we'll do a reboot the right way and capitalize on the nostalgia and everyone will be happy"
They did that with Full Metal Alchemist, Hellsing, Fruits Basket
Although some reboots haven't been as well received, but I can't think of any specific examples
But those three shows were all popular and well liked, and the reboots were even more well liked
Which reminds me I also wanted to rewatch Hellsing, then watch the reboot
Why is there never enough time to consume all the media that I want to consume? 
And why do I waste so much time doomscrolling instead of watching stuff? Lmao
quasi raptor
The one thing Japan does that annoys me is they'll see a popular manga and jump ...
Could you give me specific examples?
Like you said ran for only one season so I assume you weren't talking about stuff like naruto or bleach
median pulsar
Trigun and Fruits Basket
Like 65% of Trigun is unique to the anime and wasn't in the manga because there wasn't very much manga when they made it. So much lore is left out, and the ending is different because...there wasn't a manga ending at the time. But it's still really good. I think the creator was fairly involved with the show and made sure they didn't screw it up. Some things are a little under explained, and there is some additional "filler" but the filler is just as good as the filler in Bebop and helps with the pacing and world building. Entertaining but maybe not strictly necessary for plot advancement.
Fruits Basket on the other hand, I don't think the creator had much input on the show and they definitely lightened it up a bit and added a little filler (although not nearly as much), left out some seriously important foreshadowing (but how would they know that seemingly background plotline that felt very secondary would actually be vital?), and totally fucked up the ending. Not to say it was a bad ending, but definitely bad when compared to the manga.
I'm not 100% sure but I'm assuming they both stopped where they did because they caught up to the source material at the time and didn't want to go totally rogue, so they decided to just wrap it up with a psuedo-ending that fit with where they were at the time.
I'm not sure if all of these were mangas that weren't finished, but here's an article detailing a handful of animes that were cut short compared to the manga
https://www.ranker.com/list/anime-that-didnt-finish/anna-lindwasser
Ooh this is from a different article but I did not know this 
Ranma 1/2 is hella long to be fair
I got pretty far into the manga but never finished. I don't remember how much of the show I watched, but not nearly as much
Oh, hmm. I wonder where Kenshin started deviating.
Ohhhhhh interesting. I just learned WHY they start animes before the manga is done.
indigo spoke
to sell the manga a bit better
median pulsar
Yep, essentially.
indigo spoke
it happened with konosuba, the season 1 was essentially to boost light novel sales
but they relented and did a s2 and a movie so heck they're doing s3 atm
I tried reading the light novel but it did not make sense to me so yeah
median pulsar
Most animes don't make money on their own and are expensive to make, but they're treated as a giant advertisement for the greater franchise. Most of the time it's the publishing companies producing the animes to get the word out about a manga they want to succeed.
indigo spoke
good example is tokyo ghoul
the anime is not as good as the manga and it pretty much peters out till the fans just get the manga
median pulsar
That definitely makes sense with Trigun because the Trigun manga was actually canceled at one point, then came back later as Trigun Maximum. Someone important must have really had faith in Yasuhiro Nightow/REALLY loved his work.
indigo spoke
I was thinking of going through Trigun, you seem to really like it and I know that my anime taste somewhat goes in the direction of yours
median pulsar
It's legitimately one of my favorite shows of all time, not just animes
It's only 26 episodes so it's not a large commitment either
indigo spoke
I love it when there's only like a season and it ends
say, did you watch Azumanga Daioh?
median pulsar
It does start a little slow and the tone changes significantly throughout the show but it's a slow burn that's totally worth it
I watched all of Azumanga Daioh years ago and I started rewatching it recently but didn't get very far. I was watching it on Hidive and it's not the best streaming platform.
indigo spoke
aw
median pulsar
I did buy the whole manga and started reading that but also did not finish. 😂 Again, read it all ages ago though.
I'm just bad at finishing stuff these days
I tried rereading Gravitation twice recently and fell off both times, and that's probably my favorite manga. And I tried rereading The Perks of Being a Wallflower and...also did not finish despite it being one of my favorite books.
I go where the ADHD hyperfixation leads me
Which is why I also appreciate short shows haha
I was gonna binge watch FLCL the other day but Hulu only has the sub and my focus was not all there and I knew I'd miss half of what was going on if I watched it in Japanese
spark yarrow
I should really watch trigun and azumanga daioh
I haven't watched any anime in ages, then recently finished Burn the Witch (was only a 3 episode one-shot anyway - fun stuff though)
median pulsar
Doooo iiiiitt
quasi raptor
@prisma briar Had to come all the way to the storage units to find my copy of this game lol
also made sense to ping you here cause you mentioned getting it on 360 recently
quasi raptor
ok so I may or may not have ghost of tsushima for free on PS4
I'll find out in the morning
median pulsar
I have no idea what that is but free games are cool
quasi raptor
I have no idea what that is but free games are cool
It's a triple A PS4 exclusive that came out in 2020
prisma briar
<@149650923210145792> Had to come all the way to the storage units to find my c...
Nice
median pulsar
I think I've figured out why it is I never got as into Cowboy Bebop as I did Trigun
Trigun has way more light moments
Cowboy Bebop has funny moments/lines, but it's rarely straight-up comedic, and it's just a lot more serious in general.
Because Trigun has lighter moments, it helps the darker moments have that much more impact and contrast. And while I won't say it's darker than Cowboy Bebop in its dark moments, because I'm still making my way through Bebop and I don't remember how dark it gets, but I will say that the stakes in Trigun are definitely way higher.
So, yeah...they're similar in a lot of ways, but that's the main difference in vibe that makes me prefer Trigun. Cowboy Bebop's filler episodes are a bit too serious for my tastes...which would be fine if the pacing was faster, but it's not. Bebop definitely starts grabbing my attention more once Ed joins the crew for that added light-heartedness and comedy.
Bebop needs more episodes like Toys In The Attic and Mushroom Samba IMO lol
quasi raptor
Bebop is ust more impressive to me because it's got all these characters and they all feel fuckin 4 dimensional
I love the tone shifts in some episodes
I feel like you learn something new about each character every single episode
Even if it's something small
i love Jet's story but it's edged out by Spike and Faye for me
median pulsar
Trigun has some FANTASTIC tone shifts
I do wish some of the characters were a little more fleshed out in Trigun, and I do feel like certain characters remain more mysterious until late in the show
(No spoilers, just an example of a fantastic tone shift in less than 30 seconds)
The fact that the first half is largely filler and the second half is very plot heavy is both a blessing and a curse
All the main characters are very compelling though
Meryl and Milly don't really have a ton of depth, but their place in the story is supposed to just be "regular people" so why would they have a super interesting, fleshed out backstory? They're chock full of personality and have depth in that regard, but you don't really know a lot about them as people outside of being insurance agents who are enthusiastic and dedicated to their jobs, Meryl isn't that close with her family, and Milly is very close with hers. 🤷♀️
Bebop is a bit more of an ensemble cast, where Trigun is really...Vash's story
And the story of the planet and how humans ended up there
And how they manage to survive there/the relationship between ||plants and humans||
I guess in that way, it's less character-driven and more lore-driven than Bebop? But the characters still are very distinct and have well-developed personalities and grow throughout the series.
quasi raptor
@median pulsar in case you're interested https://youtu.be/-Wj479wiMg8
median pulsar
I'll watch that in a bit. I was just talking about that with my brother like two hours ago. He was saying that the PC version is a bit glitchy, but it's supposed to be good
prisma briar
9s and 10s around the block, but also a 6ish hour campaign
Looks like one for the 2nd hand market for me
If anyone was wondering how my birthday present was going, I’d say well
quasi raptor
If anyone was wondering how my birthday present was going, I’d say well
I only got one game for my birthday and it technically wasn't a present
It was something I bought for myself online
prisma briar
Skeet as wonderful as that is I did post an image with that comment and you are welcome to care
quasi raptor
Skeet as wonderful as that is I did post an image with that comment and you are ...
i do
lego star wars good
its definitely a good game, i played through the prequels on it and
well that was it actually
I'm a filthy clone wars fan and they brought all the voice cast back and it made me happy
It's wonderful when you can get a fuck ton of hours on something you didn't even pay for
prisma briar
Actually the bit of the game I liked the most was the original trilogy
Any level on a ship or the Death Star looked so good
Shame you played through 1/3 of the game and stopped
My only issue really is it’s quite buggy and the switch version isn’t ideal
This being said it’s a very impressive switch port
and I suppose it is great fun portably
quasi raptor
Shame you played through 1/3 of the game and stopped
Yeah i might play through the original
But I might not play through the sequels
prisma briar
Seems a waste to me really
quasi raptor
I'm not really sure I want to re experience the messy plot threads of those movies again in any form
prisma briar
The game just pokes fun the whole time I’m not sure you’re thinking of plot holes when Luke is halted by a wall of porgs
prisma briar
Seems needless to ignore them based off that, since it’s the Lego version, it’s fun for different reasons entirely
Still, I’ll get 100% eventually lol
There’s so much shit to collect
quasi raptor
Seems needless to ignore them based off that, since it’s the Lego version, it’s ...
to be fair i nearly mained Rey on battlefront 2
so i see your point there
i really liked her ros skin
with the yellow saber
prisma briar
so i see your point there
I saw plenty of issue with the sequels but still found their Lego form great fun, especially exploring a broken Death Star in IX with rather entertaining Stormtrooper voice clips throughout,
There’s a lot to love about the Lego forms
gleaming yew
https://variety.com/2022/film/news/nope-first-reactions-jordan-peele-1235318777/
gonna be seeing it next week, hyped
halcyon meteor
Just picked up one of my top 10 favorite games. I'm excited. It's Legend of Mana, not to be confused with Secret of Mana
quasi raptor
Just picked up one of my top 10 favorite games. I'm excited. It's Legend of Mana...
you bought the switch remaster?
halcyon meteor
HD remaster for steam
stiff warren
I watched Scott pilgrim
quasi raptor
HD remaster for steam
OK so yes
That was released on multiple platforms including switch
prisma briar
Woah I bought the Nintendo switch game Lego Star Wars
Doesn’t quite sound correct when you put it that way
Unless it was switch exclusive
lime gyro
I think it was switch exclusive
prisma briar
Wiki says it released day and date with the ps4 and PC versions
charred ermine
new scott the woz has inspired me to go back to getting every star character on mario superstar baseball
👍
prisma briar
this would be awesome for cross-play gaming
quasi raptor
we finally got the discord integration on ps after all this time
prisma briar
must be xbox first, PS later down the line
prisma briar
does this mean i can stream sonic unleashed to you all
quasi raptor
but this is great news either way
absolutely
prisma briar
oh and no mans sky got a free update today if anyone is fussed
quasi raptor
im not but
nice
supple thunder
Medium settings yay
supple thunder
The effects of ram are unknown to me.
dark charm
It'd probably help a little maybe if that's your bottleneck
More ram is always nice regardless
supple thunder
I’ve got the recommended yay.
I’ve also got a 10600K so based entirely on number, I’d say it’s medium/high.
prisma briar
I’ve also got a 10600K so based entirely on number, I’d say it’s medium/high.
7400
Epic
prisma briar
I mean look at mine
If you get that PS5 your CPU will be much better
quasi raptor
If you get that PS5 your CPU will be much better
Well yeah but you were talking about pc
prisma briar
I’m hyping you up, the least you can do is appreciate that
quasi raptor
I’m hyping you up, the least you can do is appreciate that
fuck im sorry
i get caught up on specifics
i appreciate ya
prisma briar
Bloody pillock
quasi raptor
Bloody pillock
love you too man
swift zodiac
I was... expecting better?
quasi raptor
I was... expecting better?
I don't know it's probably going to be a while before I see that
I still haven't watched his other 3 movies
And if I did I already know get out should be my 1st
prisma briar
@quasi raptor do you watch antdude at all
this is better in the sonic chat but ive pinged you here now
oh well
quasi raptor
<@378603106319204352> do you watch antdude at all
a little
Do you watch garoullous64
prisma briar
big sonic video went up, and it was quite good
he did a video on the entire boost era, seems a big colours fan
prisma briar
Do you watch garoullous64
i do not, sorry
ill put it in the sonic chat actually, see if anyone cares
quasi raptor
@prisma briar how is no man's sky?
prisma briar
Very
Big
quasi raptor
awesome
if i get my ps5 this saturday, i may actually consider jumping into that at some point
prisma briar
It’s pretty good on PS4 Pro, there’s a lot to understand though
swift zodiac
gleaming yew
i’m hyped for this
swift zodiac
Same dude
ember tusk
Anyone here play Siege?
snow olive