atlanta-general

[dull whale]

Im not sure it just got released. whatever the ticket description says...

[radiant compass]

I feel it would be kind of a waste if it didn't

I thought thats how the past IEM dallas events have been

[dull whale]

If you purchase the 3 day premium you get what it says...

If you do the IEM.. you get what it says.

3 day festival just offers spots in the free seating section plus the gear ETC.

IEM premium doesnt give you the gear and loot but it gives you the good IEM seating.

So exactly what they read, is what you get.

[radiant compass]

Rip

Add-ons was a better system

[small meadow]

The paid seats were up close, but COD and Iem had free seating as well

[dull whale]

so you have to decide, all the perks of the festival premium or the perks of the IEM premium.

free seating will probably be limited.

[thorny estuary]

The tickets have been live for like 8 minutes. I’m sure things will be more clear shortly.

[dull whale]

I think its clear..

[hushed otter]

You basically have to buy premium to get a chance to watch the two big events or choose one and buy that pass (you’d still have to buy the other event separately). Hopefully that doesn’t mean the main festival won’t have any bigger events. Sounds like premium makes the most sense and just hope you can get into the free area. I just liked how affordable Dreamhack was.

[dull whale]

The festivals typically have other events you can spectate easily. All over...

These are bigger events that are being hosted within DreamHack festival so it makes sense they are requiring additional ticketing types.

[late sandal]

When does the Quest booth close today?

[wild gate]

Right but normally they were an add on not its own ticket. That’s what people are upset about

[uncut fractal]

Has anyone been through the quest area for the wheel spins? Line looks insanely long so wondering if it’s worth it to try before 6pm shutdown

[dull whale]

Its the same concept.

add on or same ticket just higher prices.

[lucid glade]

Who watches COD?
The UK apparently. DH Birmingham had a second wave of cod seats and they sold out almost immediately.

[modest karma]

do i need to buy the dreamhack ticket as well as the IEM ticket? sorry if this has already been asked. i know for dallas i had to get both just want to double check

[dull whale]

Read the ticket descriptions. It tells you what you get.

[modest karma]

okay sorry english isnt my first language

just wanted to double check!

[dull whale]

I understand. If you translate the ticket descriptions it lets you know what all you get.

[modest karma]

thank you kthnxgg

[thorny estuary]

IEM tickets include access to Dreamhack

[dull whale]

Premium tickets gets access to both COD and IEM free seating area.

CDL/IEM Tickets gives you access to the festival.

[modest karma]

thank you

sorry i don't know how i did that

apologies 👍

[forest mist]

Be sick if they bring back TCG this time

[dull whale]

bump

[forest mist]

Not bitter at all over here

[dull whale]

TCGs would be great

[forest mist]

Esp since it wouldve been sick to have a riftbound release day thing since the set dropped during the event

Had to travel out of the con to take part in release, wouldve preferred to do it inhouse

[thorny estuary]

TCG bros have the worst hygiene though.

Trust me I know. 10+ years in the competitive magic the gathering scene.

[willow oriole]

There is a reason the local game stores have to have signs up for them to wear deodorant. It is unfortunately true. I've played competitive off and on for 20 years, and I can confirm some of the worst people I've ever smelled are TCG bros

[forest mist]

Ive been stuck in a small room with 40 smash players theyre pretty on par too

Gamers in general are not beating the allegations

[thorny estuary]

I’m going to make a fandom hygiene tier list when I get home. I forgot about smash players. They could fight MtG players for the crown

[lucid glade]

Which group is worse about it? TCG or FGC?

[strange shore]

hey y’all i was volunteering this weekend at dreamhack and i left a portable charger ik the events already ended but is there somebody i can contact or is it just gone forever?

[ivory forum]

Everything eventually gets turned over to the convention centers lost and found

[strange shore]

hey so as it turns out it was with me and i just never noticed

[patent knot]

is IEM premium sold out? I only see a button to resale instead of adding it to cart. Will they release more premium tickets?

[royal cedar]

Will find out in the morning, team who manages isn't available atm

[surreal reef]

Will there be a BYOC? Can’t find any info about it on the website

I’m interested in buying tickets for IEM but I’d also want BYOC tickets

[dull whale]

If its not listed, its either not happening or hasnt been announced yet.... Previous events had BYOC tickets follow by a few weeks to a month. So stay tuned!

[tight jolt]

was about to msg the same thing haha

guess i gotta wait a bit for those

[surreal reef]

dreamhack is genuinely so ass at presenting the information about the event by the time tickets go live, there is no reason why there should be a month long delay between adding other ticket types, it makes planning going to the event as a group such a hassle for no good reason

by the time BYOC tickets go on sale there might not be any IEM spots left, in what world is this a reasonable way to sell event tickets

[chilly lotus]

No byoc

[surreal reef]

gotcha, thats a little disappointing but I appreciate you letting me know

[chilly lotus]

Agreed. Founded as a LAN, should always have LAN

[surreal reef]

its kinda crazy to me that they just dont mention it at all on the website, I feel like plenty of people are gonna be asking about it lol

[cunning torrent]

Has this actually been announced that there will be officially no BYOC at all, or just that there has not info saying it will in fact be there? Since like people were saying, BYOC tix for this year weren't in the first wave of super early bird stuff

If this is true it would be sad and likely due to space constraints I would imagine. IEM/Dreamhack Dallas was huge when I went a few years ago. Like even the dreamhack part was bigger than Atlanta, not to mention the extra couple thousand seat arena where the counter strike stuff was.

[potent horizon]

AI Overview

The user speculates that if this is true, it might be due to space constraints and compares the event to a previous large-scale event they attended (IEM/Dreamhack Dallas).

[chilly lotus]

This is the official statement. No byoc.

[cunning torrent]

Ah, dang. Ok, thanks for the clarification

[chilly lotus]

Sorry :/

[surreal reef]

why would you even bother responding at all with a google AI overview that obviously does not have the most up to date info on what is being asked

[chilly lotus]

I’m just speculating but it’s IEM and it’s CDL Major.

I’m guessing they are going to try and cram it all into Hall C, so if that’s the case then yeah there probably isn’t room for all of the stages

[cunning torrent]

Yeah, agreed. I will likely be there for MomoCon the following weekend which uses the entire GWCC building and is massive. I never understood why DH ATL has always been crammed into hall C only.

[surreal reef]

low key it wouldve been much cooler and a better feeling value proposition if they got state farm arena for the IEM event rather than hosting it in hall C
obviously it would cost a lot more but $270 for guaranteed seating in hall C does feel a little steep

[chilly lotus]

I said the exact same thing. I remember when we got eleague in the fox theater as well.

[surreal reef]

eleague at the fox was great, I walked there from my dorm at GT each day of the event

[surreal reef]

I checked the FAQ ahead of time, thanks tho deleted message

[brittle owl]

Im a little confused about the ticketing. The dreamhack Atlanta 2026 3 day pass does not include the free seating for the IEM tournament? I see that the premium for $169 does, but at Dallas, the standard Dreamhack ticket got you in the door. Possibly because the stadium is smaller but I just want clarification if anyone knows

[hushed otter]

You have to buy the premium 3 day pass. This gives you access to the free seating area at IEM. However, it’s not guaranteed seating. If you want guaranteed seating, you need to buy the 3 day IEM pass. This pass also includes access to the main Dreamhack area.

[stable nest]

Guess this was our (my friendgroup's) last year attending dreamhack then. It's sad to see the direction dreamhack is taking.

[hushed otter]

Dreamhack Atlanta was perfectly sized IMO and super affordable. Hopefully this new direction is a good one and the event still keeps its charm and fun.

[chilly lotus]

Go Dawgs

[chilly lotus]

In terms of lan, there’s no doubt that it has been slowly getting smaller since my first time attending in 2017 and now. I would argue that the atl dates aren’t always the best. They jump around a lot and often fall close to thanksgiving and Christmas so I wonder if that plays a part.

[chilly lotus]

The hardest part about large scale stadium style events in the US is the costs are astronomically higher. What ESL pays for IEM cologne or Kato is nothing compared to what it would cost to do state farm. That being said, would be cool for sure.

[brittle owl]

Is there a seating chart published for the free seating and the paid?

[chilly lotus]

Not yet

[limpid sapphire]

Literally my first thought

[thorny estuary]

BYOC tickets didn’t come out for this previous event until after the mainline tickets. They will probably wait to see how many exhibitors and creators and stages end up being needed and then pigeonholing us into the remaining space.

Maybe they don’t park the Walmart truck right in the center of the room this time.

[stable nest]

Official stance is there is no BYOC in 2026.

Apparently

Which based off how lackluster BYOC was this year, I believe it.

[thorny estuary]

Yeah I’m not taking what a discord mod says as official.

[stable nest]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I've been going for years and this is the only year where i've felt like BYOC was definitely an after thought and not really a priority. It was so lame compared to previous years.

Even if you don't take their word for it, all signs are pointing towards it being true.

[thorny estuary]

It was my first year this year and I had a pretty good time.

[stable nest]

That's great, and i'm stoked for you. Unfortunately there were hardly any events and having zero cash prize tournaments outside of CS was lame.

[thorny estuary]

I mean the event sold out. I thought tickets were too cheap. They definitely need a BYOC manager to have more than a couple events. Better choice of events. How many people participated in team fight tactics?

[woven cedar]

Want us to have the admin say it as well?:P Thats our source

[stable nest]

189 for BYOC is not a cheap amount. That's an entire work day for someone making 25 an hour. Unsure about TFT but we barely got a full lobby for arena

[thorny estuary]

That’s insanely cheap in the realm of “3-day full access pass” events.

[stable nest]

It's really not. It may be cheap for you, but that is a significant amount of money for the average person.

[thorny estuary]

Most 3 day events cost 300 bucks.

I’m not saying it’s cheap overall but compared to other 3 day events/festivals.

A day at Disneyworld is 220 bucks.

[stable nest]

Other atlanta based events hover around 100-150ish for 3 days from what I have seen and experienced.

Regardless, the value of that ticket has shrunk as the cost has grown.

[dull whale]

https://dreamhack.com/atlanta/faq/

There ya go. Thats official. Read the FAQs

[uncut solstice]

Never heard of MomoCon. How’s it compare to Atlanta Anime Weekend? I’m so out of the loop on anything other than DragonCon and I don’t really ever hit conventions anymore.

[stable nest]

Last year my ticket cost me about 150 after taxes and fees. I also got to participate in tournaments with thousands of dollars of cash prizing. This year I paid more and got less.

[limpid sapphire]

It’s SO much fun. Been volunteering 3 years now. It’s between AWA and DCon in sizing, so I feel like I can actually see and do everything I want to without running out of stuff to do

[white horizon]

We don't just make things up. We got the info from staff, and it's on the FAQ.

[surreal reef]

this year having the BYOC CS tournament feed directly into EPL and cost a ton to enter was a weird choice, my group of friends goes to the event almost every year but skipped it this time because we didnt want to pay $500 to enter a tournament just to get farmed by M80, BIG, etc

[thorny estuary]

Welp

[surreal reef]

glad you enjoyed your first time going nick but for us long time attendees the drop in value has been significant and frustrating

[stable nest]

this

[thorny estuary]

Would have paid double. Made some great friends. Played great games all weekend. Enjoyed the festival.

[surreal reef]

I was hoping there would be a proper amateur byoc tournament at the event in may but I guess we'll have to hope they hold another one later in the year with a proper byoc

[stable nest]

I have supported dreamhack every year, some years opting for the premium seating for over 300 dollars, or buying the extra packs (Which btw, this year we were supposed to get a water bottle, I did not get a water bottle in my bag). Only to watch them take away tabletop, dial back and now take away BYOC, it's just so frustrating.

[thorny estuary]

Dreamhack does a terrible job at social media and engagement overall. The event was great but I didn’t see the discord advertised anywhere. Reddit presence non existent.

[stable nest]

And in general, it felt like there was less to do than previous years. The arcade lacked rhythm games, the booths felt less gamer focused (Walmart... really?)

[dull whale]

This is how some of us feel and still hope for again.

[thorny estuary]

Did anyone go check out the LANFest booth? I was pretty frustrated I didn’t come across the guys until Sunday. Their booth strategically placed as far as possible from the front door.

I might look into checking out one of their events.

It sucks because I was theory crafting last night a bunch of events to run in the next BYOC unofficially. I had a bunch of really good ideas.

[stable nest]

Definitely don't give up on the ideas. I know there are some conversations happening of some BYOC events being hosted that are not dreamhack related so you may be able to participate with them if that happens.

[uncut solstice]

oh cool, I think I’d like to volunteer. To get a feel for some of these conventions since I don’t know anybody and not much of a goer.

[limpid sapphire]

I don’t think they have opened for next year yet but just keep checking the website!

[uncut solstice]

I’ve got ChatGPT and Gemini fired up in their full research modes for links and info. Ha.

[hushed otter]

They had DDR. And there’s always a sponsor like Walmart. It used to be I think like racetrack and 7-Eleven. Walmart booth you could play retro games and they had a space to place cards and stuff. I’ve been going since 2022 and it seemed pretty much on par. The FCG area was definitely smaller though.

[limpid sapphire]

I’ve been going for a couple years now and it feels like they filled more space with less stuff

[hushed otter]

It’ll be interesting to see what happens now though with the changes they are making. I have faith though.

[thorny estuary]

I wish they would release some reasoning to the BYOC omission.

I mean there were what 200 seats not including knockout. At nearly 200 a piece. Add in the chair rentals and they must have been over 40k in ticket sales alone.

[chilly lotus]

I asked internally and that response is from staff

[urban cedar]

Booooo! Thank you for confirming for everyone. I wish that was not the case. Love coming for byoc but this year was disappointing

[thorny estuary]

Yeah the FAQ was linked to

[urban cedar]

Still had fun just to confirm

[hot wren]

The discord mods do usually have up to date information

Better to listen to them

[dull whale]

If we dont, we say we dont. We arent allowed to just make stuff up 😄

[hot wren]

^

[thorny estuary]

A reason would be nice. Make it make sense. The event was founded on LAN.

[hot wren]

Agreed on that part if honestly byoc ends that would be sad and would curb my attendance in other events

[hushed otter]

I could have sworn I saw somewhere say it was due to how expensive it is to run

[dull whale]

If I were to guess, its business related... like every other decision. Not sure though.

[hushed otter]

It’s also kind of niche nowadays

[hot wren]

Honestly I really hope its reconsidered because this DH was a womp due to how much changes were added to the detriment of the average playerbase

[thorny estuary]

Raise the ticket price then. Like I said earlier. There was atleast 40k in revenue from BYOC alone.

[chilly lotus]

As per usual haha. They always put them in some weird unoticeable spot

[dull whale]

Its under charities and they are on the outside of teh vendor booths typically

[chilly lotus]

Without going into much detail - BYOC usually breaks about even

[thorny estuary]

Yeah I was like WTF. They were super nice. They pretty much do BYOC 24/7 events all over the country.

[thorny estuary]

Tickets could have been double and I bet you still would have sold out.

[hushed otter]

People say to raise prices, but if they raised, many would complain.

Without it though, hopefully they will add more to the festival. Since that’s a huge space they can take advantage of.

[thorny estuary]

Charge double and bring improvements to the things everyone has been complaining about and I think you end up better off.

[dull whale]

I mean think about staffing though..

[hushed otter]

Maybe, but realistically not sure how many would pay $400-$500 for it. It’s probably also due to more than just a financial decision.

[dull whale]

Requires the venue to be 24/7

[hushed otter]

Yeah, plus security for the building

[chilly lotus]

I have bought a founders / ultra ticket for every DH event since 2017. I'll gladly pay the premium prices, but that can't be said for everyone. LAN attendance at every DH event globally has been slowly declining. Even amongst quake con and other "large" lans. Younger generation doesn't get the LAN concept and never grew up with it.

[thorny estuary]

Yeah but what kind of attitude is “let it die”

[hushed otter]

I don’t think they are letting it die

[chilly lotus]

oh we don't want it to die

but I think it is dieing

[hushed otter]

It’s just the nature of how it is today

[thorny estuary]

DREAMHACK not having a LAN is certainly a giant step in that direction.

[dull whale]

My kids play competitive FPS high level.. They would rather spend that weekend at their home setup practicing

then sitting at LAN Tables TBH

Thats their feedback.

So think of the younger generation we have to raise to attend LANs..

They are used to being more spoiled than us older heads traveling and doing basement LANs with our buddies.

[thorny estuary]

Your kids can’t be bothered to go socialize for 3 days in a year?

[dull whale]

They social plenty.

socialize*

Last DH they hung out in the festival

instead of BYOC

[chilly lotus]

So if it costs 30k to run a byoc, and only have 15k in ticket sales, not a good look if you can't even break even. ATL has definitely been the biggest decline and I have a few theories why (dates around holidays, no consistent date every year)

[dull whale]

even though they had BYOC tickets. They didnt use em hardly.

so even more so reinforcing what the trend has been...

[thorny estuary]

I’m not saying they don’t socialize ever but it’s not like Dreamhack is every weekend.

[hot wren]

As someone who's young 20 and been in byoc since 2017

I will say that sentiment is true for many younger players

[dull whale]

Right so they enjoyed the festival opposed to sitting at a random table set up at BYOC. To my point exactly.

[hot wren]

But theres gotta be more pull factors

Than just pushing those players away anyhow

[dull whale]

usually tournaments... incentives..

[hot wren]

^

[dull whale]

Sometimes we can even fill brackets for certain games though.

ATL last year had like 1 deadlock team sign up.

[chilly lotus]

Well there was one pull factor. Fortnite tournament. When that went to EWC, LAN dropped off highly

[thorny estuary]

lol. Offer a 5k prize pool for Fortnite tournament and BYOC FILLS UP at 300 a ticket.

Bad bot

[dull whale]

Except everyone there for that leaves afterwards.

[hot wren]

Yeah the "tournament which must not be named"

[chilly lotus]

If they don't make day 2, the LAN is full on day 1, and empty on day 2

[hot wren]

Drove tickets

[thorny estuary]

You can set it up to mitigate that.

[hot wren]

All that is a bandaid fix they are also worried about community related things

[thorny estuary]

It doesn’t have to be Fortdumb. But there are ways to incentivize a high ticket cost and boost attendance.

[hot wren]

Doesn't look good to have idk

200 people lan

And they immediately dipp

[chilly lotus]

Also I'm pretty sure there has been some sort of "incident" at every LAN that has had a FN tournament.

[hot wren]

^

[chilly lotus]

and they don't want the PR

[thorny estuary]

Why would they dip. They spent money on the ticket. “May as well hangout and game all day”

[hot wren]

They only come for the "game"

So why stay in their eyes

[thorny estuary]

Guys guys girls. It doesn’t have to be FN. just making a point.

[chilly lotus]

Because most of them can't drive, check into hotels, parents have to pick them up and drop them off, if they don't make it to the next round. They pack it up and go home

[hot wren]

Its stupid personally but it is what it is

[chilly lotus]

I know it doesn't have to be, but getting "money" for tournaments has been a battle forever.

[hot wren]

Ye I think knockout personally was a step in the wrong direction

It just alienated everyone else but cs2 players pretty much

And bloated a lot of byoc tickets

[thorny estuary]

You mean the money that’s now generated from a higher ticket cost in my hypothetical scenario?

[dull whale]

A lot of the higher end comp players also get in and get out. they have other stuff to do. Especially ones playing for ORGs

so they dont just sit there and play all day when they gotta get back and stream or do whatever else

depends really...

[hot wren]

^

[dull whale]

lots of variables here.

[hot wren]

I think the issue is more so

[dull whale]

So they come for tournament warm up play and leave. This is what happened in San Diego a few years ago

[hot wren]

What can keep the average player retained more than what to do about people who enter and then leave

Because its harder to keep those than to keep the players who want to continue coming

[thorny estuary]

5-10 1k tournaments.

Spread out across 3 days.

[chilly lotus]

There are tournaments with monetary prices, but I don't think I have ever seen the BYOC as an advertised experience. It's always about the "festival" and the BYOC has never been pushed

Unless you already knew there was a byoc or stumbled upon it somewhere else

in 2016/2017 when new locations were being dropped there was reddit traction and lots of talk in the LAN community

[thorny estuary]

Right because DH has some of the worst social media and marketing I’ve ever seen.

[wraith wyvern]

Except for like 2016

[potent horizon]

Totally agreed, most of LAN is word of mouth

[hot wren]

Lan is a lot of word of mouth

[stable nest]

Last year there were closer to 15ish rhythm games, none to be seen except ddr, sure. I dont remember other corporate sponsors on the same level as walmart, but it felt out of place for me. Regardless, the main point is eliminating tabletop and BYOC is super dumb, and painful for those of us who went specifically for that.

[hot wren]

I agree I never learned about it till I got a free ticket for momocon lol

[woven cedar]

Back in my days we just went to lans to be free from parents for a couple of days. Eat junk food, play games and of course download linux isos as i had a crappy 56kbps dial up at home.

[hot wren]

And then again i was also stuck being an on shift volunteer for HTC at that point lol

[chilly lotus]

You also could sleep at your venue 😉

[stable nest]

Its 50 bucks a head as far as cost... but they charge 190 now so that shouldnt be a factor.

[hot wren]

How is it 50$ a head

What's the going rate for staff again?

[woven cedar]

Face down on the table ofc 😉 My first event was 50€ for the lan 😛

[chilly lotus]

or in the Racketcentrum

[narrow geode]

I only attended and spent money on the event because of BYOC. Super bummer.

[stable nest]

As far as internet, power, etc. Unsure about other costs.

[woven cedar]

Back then we didnt have that ^^ Lan was 1 hall, a tiny expo and a small sleeping hall

[hot wren]

I mean tournaments took directly from byoc profits / assuming 15$ an hr or smth for staff and theres like 5 staff always there 24/3 pretty much

[wraith wyvern]

The two Swedish events I went to still had parents dropping their kids off for the weekend

[narrow geode]

Quakecon manages to do a 4000+ seat BYOC every year (at only $75 per ticket), surely its possible for now the largest north american dreamhack event since dallas has been axed

[thorny estuary]

BYOC should be 299 a person. That increases profits for DH. Everyone gets multiple decent dollar tournaments every day, and we all get a free t-shirt.

[chilly lotus]

but they can again, stay at the event

Summer/Winter is parent daycare

go play game

really young audience there

[woven cedar]

I was 14 on my first event 🙂 so yeah kinda

[chilly lotus]

If they're going to do this, bring back the Ultra ticket

[stable nest]

No, it shouldnt. It should be affordable and maintain the quality we have received in previous years.

[hot wren]

Tbf

If costs are higher

But quality improves

[thorny estuary]

299 is hella affordable for a once a year event.

[hot wren]

Ill take it

[thorny estuary]

^ see?

[stable nest]

For you, sure.

[hot wren]

Most dreamhacks I broke even on price

Or profited immensely

So not really a worry for me

[thorny estuary]

In a perfect world Walt Disney charges zero dollars to event his park.

Enter*

[surreal reef]

BYOC area needs more structure for its tournaments IMO, the CS tournaments are almost always being figured out live at the event rather than ahead of time. Attendees should know when each tournament will be for the major titles and be able to plan ahead

[stable nest]

This isnt disney world. Its dreamhack, where the focus historically is gaming COMMUNITY, the higher the cost the more exclusive the event is which isnt productive to fostering an inclusive community.

[thorny estuary]

169 is way way way too cheap

[wide gull]

Quakecon loses money every year. It's been a marketing expense for id software, then Bethesda and now Microsoft. I've been on staff for that event renting the whole conference center for a week cost way more than they bring in with the Byoc seats at $95 each.

[potent horizon]

Agreed, this is worse ran than when I was admining csgo tournaments for momocon lan and gamefest pre-covid

[chilly lotus]

They also have the funding to operate Quake Con as a marketing expense.

DH/ESL/Faceit (EFG) has a higher investment price to answer to these days.

Welcome to Private Equity

[surreal reef]

For real, I miss gamefest

[wise ermine]

what are some good fgc places in atlanta?

[thorny estuary]

Dreamhack organizers. My DMs are open.

[potent horizon]

Ancient history now

[surreal reef]

I organized the CS gamefest tournament for a bit back when I was a student, that event was so fun

[stable nest]

He wants to be gouged for more money

[wide gull]

Just to rent the empty rooms that quakecon uses for the byoc is $840,000. That doesn't include tables, chairs, power, internet, staffing, etc.

[thorny estuary]

It’s not my fault you can’t budget for 300 dollar event once a year.

[potent horizon]

You were admin during the snowfish-mooshroom-jo era?

[stable nest]

Its not about me. And its telling youve missed every point i have made

[thorny estuary]

You won’t be able to make it but there are plenty of people who will.

[stable nest]

Lol

[surreal reef]

Yeah I was the captain of the GT CS team back then and helped run the CS tourney for gamefest

[chilly lotus]

Does the venue for quakecon charge 6figs for internet like most of the convention centers do?

[thorny estuary]

Have worked convention space in the past. It’s the same everywhere. The hotel I used to work at charged 1000/day for a 10 person meeting salon.

[wide gull]

I'm not sure on the cost of the internet but I know it's high. It costs almost $2 million I've been told to put on Quakecon

[woven cedar]

Back when DH moved to Jönköping there was barely any network in the venue

[chilly lotus]

Then you hit the fastest internet in the world one year

[woven cedar]

Yeah but that was waaay later ^^

[wide gull]

I run the Dallas chapter of LANFest and we were and talks with the city of fort Worth to use their convention center. But they don't control the internet. So when I reached out to Cox communications for an internet quote they wanted $90,000 for 3 days of internet. I told him it's a charity event and they graciously lowered their quote to $75,000 lol

[chilly lotus]

Don't need internet. It's a LAN

Maybe just a steam cache box these days

[narrow geode]

is the atlanta chapter as dead as it looks? would be cool to get together a lan all night east coast

[chilly lotus]

I think the ATL chapter has been dead for a few years. I'm kicking around the idea of getting one going in Charlotte

[wide gull]

The Atlanta chapter was just at the Atlanta Dreamhack with a booth, they also run the gaming area at momocon

[chilly lotus]

Ah so they are just partnered with momocon

I don't see a standalone event

[wide gull]

I think they're still trying to find this venue to run their own standalone event

[narrow geode]

not a terrible drive

[potent horizon]

Momocon had a decent LAN pre covid, so LANfest there is a big improvement

[wide gull]

That's the main issue with running a BYOC is finding a venue with enough power and internet. That's not outrageously priced

[chilly lotus]

Back when I lived in Atlanta, I went to Intel Lan Fest as my first "organized lan", that was at the downtown marriott I believe

but that was like 15+ years ago

[wide gull]

Here in Dallas I've been trying to find a bigger venue for our lanfest event for 2 years now. And once you move out of a hotel ballroom into an actual convention center the price skyrockets astronomically.

[chilly lotus]

Sounds in line with the numbers I am aware of

[narrow geode]

if someone hands me an interest form for some kind of atlanta hotel ballroom lan i will go get like 10 people to show up

[chilly lotus]

Another thing - DH brings in lots of these creators and they have affiliate codes for festival tickets; however, I've never seen them do an affiliate code for BYOC and bring in someone to BYOC. There are marketing things that could be done to drive LAN traffic

[narrow geode]

microcenter and bawls would be killer

it definitely felt like more of a overall festival rather than a gaming convention

not a ton of tech or hardware vendors

[chilly lotus]

So in Sweden, Elgaganten (sweden microcenter) sets up an entire store inside of the convention center. Why this opportunity doesn't exist, idk. You can build a whole PC on the floor

[surreal reef]

Honestly that would have come in clutch so many times at the BYOC

[chilly lotus]

adn you won't get Bawls because, monster.. 🙂

[narrow geode]

bawls stan for life

[chilly lotus]

Also the convention center charges monster $ for every can they bring into the convention center and gives away for free

because the convention center has excluse food/bev agreements with other vendors

[narrow geode]

which is funny because i didnt see a single can of monster all weekend... only red bull

[chilly lotus]

ah

looks like the monster sponsorship has been swapped out for redbull

same applies though

[dull whale]

Its basic business principals. If its not lucrative, you dont do it.

[ivory forum]

The GWCC actually has an exclusive beverage contract with Coca-Cola who owns Monster so they might have been able to get around that.

[thorny estuary]

Does anyone know why there were empty seats at the BYOC? My left neighbor never showed up and I saw a couple other patches of seats open at the event. Even though it was sold out.

Probably because tickets were so cheap that people bought them before knowing they could for sure make it.

[potent horizon]

That's pretty typical though, some people only come for some days or need to leave after the tournament

[ivory forum]

Probably Forknife kids who just went ahead and bought tickets when it was announced and didn't bother to show up once no tournament was announced.

[potent horizon]

We should host a LAN inside a microcenter

[ivory forum]

As someone who has worked DreamHack, Momo and AWA only DH and AWA use Hall C. Momo uses mainly A and B. Of course it always depends on what events are being held in the neighboring halls as to what can/can't be used. For example there was a health? convention being held in the neighboring halls this year during DH. Momo had a robotics convention next to them this year.

[chilly lotus]

Did it sell out? I believe it didn’t sell well.

[potent horizon]

The single seats sold out but half the tournament seats were open last I checked

[thorny estuary]

The general seating area was sold out. My left neighbor never showed and some other seats never showed.

[dull whale]

Typical

[chilly lotus]

yeah - I saw they sent out an email saying if you wanted to compete in the tournament, sign up. Looks like they 10 / 30 teams from what I read

[thorny estuary]

We should have had BF6 tournament.

There was a group of dudes behind me on console. They played like 60 hours straight.

[potent horizon]

I was playing BF6 myself

Well, I was training a model to play for me, rather

[chilly lotus]

Make sure you train it to play support and revive downed teammates

[cunning torrent]

Just saw that momocon (anime convention) will have BYOC for 2026, the weekend after a BYOC-less Dreamhack (gaming festival)...

Is that new or was it a thing before as well?

[thorny estuary]

I learned of Momocon recently and had heard they’ve had LANs

[limpid sapphire]

Oh I didn’t know they were doing that this year. I don’t think they’ve had it previously, at least not since I started going

[civic fiber]

is momocon byoc 24/7?

[potent horizon]

They've had LANs for the last 10 years, but took a break after covid

[cunning torrent]

According to their website, yeah. Seems just like the dreamhack ones

[limpid sapphire]

That’s what the website says that’s pretty cool

[ivory forum]

Yeah, Momocon has had a LAN for a good minute. Recently it's been ran by the Atlanta LANfest chapter.

[chilly lotus]

DreamHack partnered with them on a LAN / Freeplay a few times

Like Shadow said, looks like ATL Lanfest is running it now

[whole shell]

As long as 2026 ATL quest isn’t “go from one side of the convention to the other first” I’m absolutely chilling lol

[astral latch]

Can a mod or someone message me please. I have some questions lol

[woven cedar]

Much better to write the questions in #atlanta-help or to drop an email to [e-mail] if its something sensitive or related to payments

[astral latch]

Thank you

[olive creek]

So if I buy tickets for dream hack Atlanta may can I watch the cod event with my 1 year old?

[royal cedar]

Yepyep

Would of course bring hearing protection etc for the child

[queen hemlock]

sigh

And do we know when Atlanta 2026 byoc tickets go on sale? As much as it pains me to ask...

[ivory forum]

There will be no BYOC area.

[queen hemlock]

What? A Dreamhack without BYOC?

That doesn't sound correct

[potent horizon]

Now you know how the Austin guys felt

[queen hemlock]

Once again, not comparable haha.

Same state.

[ivory forum]

Can't tell if tickl's bot is having issues

👀

[queen hemlock]

I highly doubt Dreamhack won't offer BYOC, that just sounds very incorrect.

[ivory forum]

Please see the most recent pinned message. It has been confirmed.

[potent horizon]

The feeling is comparable, even if reality isn't quite the same

[queen hemlock]

I agree to disagree

[whole shell]

Honestly at this dream hack I didn’t even notice the BYOC section

[worthy kayak]

Do we know when applications for creator badges will go out for this? (And if one does get one will we still have to buy an IEM ticket or will we have access to it?)

[ivory forum]

Creator applications don't typically open up until about 2-3 months before the event. You will have access to the free seating area just like anyone else.

[queen hemlock]

I'd gladly make an Austin drive from Dallas instead of a Dallas to Atlanta. I guess Texas just had it easy for too long. What a disappointment.

[worthy kayak]

Cool, I figured that was the case but just wanted to make sure since this was a major change to things. Thank you for your time!

[patent knot]

Does anyone know if the IEM premium tickets are sold out or if there will be more of them for sale later?

[whole shell]

Oh damn those went in 24 hours

That’s crazy

[patent knot]

Idk I’d they are sold out or if they just were selling so many at a discount price because it said it was a flash sale I think

[worthy kayak]

This was just "early bird" tickets I believe so more should go out later

[queen hemlock]

So wait, not only is Dreamhack Dallas getting moved to Atlanta, they are removing BYOC? What the hell are you doing Dreamhack!

[ivory forum]

Tickets are typically released in waves.

I believe only a certain amount were allocated for the early bird wave. Best I can recommend is to wait for further announcements of future waves if any.

You can try, but it's at your own risk and not allowed here.

[white horizon]

I believe you can only buy 10 tickets per person.

[royal cedar]

We upped it to 20 due to bigger groups keep coming, (sorry moshi!)

We also monitor bigger purchases in general

[white horizon]

oh okay that's nice

[worthy kayak]

W

[royal cedar]

Understand the frustration, can pass the sentiment forward. To be very open, one of the bigger reasons I'm aware of is cost and interest in Atlanta. But I know it can be argued why for both are not 'reasons' but just 2 of the many puzzle pieces of the case.

[royal cedar]

Hopefully before EoY

[royal cedar]

Will find out more soon, the team are currently working IEM Chengdu so expect a delayed response

[stark terrace]

I really can't believe you guys are getting rid of BYOC!! I guess this past weekend will be the last dreamhack I will be attending.

[queen hemlock]

That just makes no sense. If it's higher cost, and less interest, why?! Why move DreamHack Dallas to an outlet with less interest and higher cost? Why not utilizing any of the super venues in Texas?

[royal cedar]

The reason for moving out of Dallas isn't linked to BYOC, just wanna make sure that's clear

[queen hemlock]

Is the standard going to be no BYOC for all dreamhacks moving forward?

[royal cedar]

To be fully open, I know internally we're not looking ahead of Atlanta 2026 atm for what is/isn't there. Post Stockholm will probably be the time to look into things more

[queen hemlock]

Wow.... just wow....

Well! RIP Dreamhack for those that enjoyed the experience of BYOC and everything around it.

Anyone have any suggestions for gaming conventions that feature lan parties other than Quake Con?

[patent knot]

I hope that there will be more. I fumbled 😭

[worthy kayak]

Oh really good to know, thanks!!

[potent horizon]

#atlanta-general message

[ruby lagoon]

BYOC was the primary reason my friends and I attend Dreamhack, seriously disappointed to hear it's not going to be a thing anymore. I can't picture myself making the trip without that

[queen hemlock]

I agree, it was one of the main reasons why my group of friends went.

Dreamhack feels like such a limited experience without it.

[thorny estuary]

I’m running a poll. If BYOC were to guarantee more tournaments and events would you pay 299 to attend?

[potent horizon]

I already paid for $500 tickets, no issues with that

[thorny estuary]

This is what they do at BYOC in Dreamhack Sweden.

[queen hemlock]

They really took us for a ride last year then. They doubled that price then ripped the feature completely!

[ruby lagoon]

I don't personally care if there's more tournaments in the BYOC zone, I would probably be willing to pay a little more than this year to have it though

[ivory forum]

US BYOC had something similar to that in years past. The problem was that a lot of people were not signing up to tournaments.

[chilly lotus]

Mostly because the tournaments were not advertised in advanced other than CS and maybe Overwatch

[ruby lagoon]

The issue with the tournaments is what's already been said, people show up only for that one tournament, then get all butthurt and leave after it's over

[potent horizon]

It's a feedback loop. Less participation means less tournaments which means less advertising which means less participation

[chilly lotus]

^

[thorny estuary]

Exactly. You guys didn’t release any information until the month of.

Also as a sim racer I was super frustrated that iRacing was featured on the website but was nowhere to be found at the festival.

[royal cedar]

Not up to Shad0w btw, he's a Discord moderator not a programming manager internally

[queen hemlock]

Enjoy it while you can. Hopefully you get to keep BYOC next year.

[thorny estuary]

I live in Florida.

[ivory forum]

Yeah, I'm not a DreamHack employee. Just stating my observations.

[chilly lotus]

BYOC in Sweden still pulls in lots of attendees; however, the numbers are down since I first went in 2019. I think in 2019 there were ~6k people in attendance for the BYOC, in 2023 when I went again it was a little less than 3k

I think

[thorny estuary]

When the LAN is this large I bet they don’t have problems with tournament signups.

[chilly lotus]

I'm not sure how the BYOC did with the move to Stockholm

[thorny estuary]

Literally 10(?) times bigger.

And holy smokes look at this. An adult section.

Dreamhack management for stateside events is just fumbling. There is no reason a US Dreamhack can’t be this 👆

[remote ferry]

it's going to be crazy not to have BYOC! that's a huge part of why we come! being able to game, walk around to visit the vendors, and then come back to our pc's to game more....

[chilly lotus]

Yes - their lan is divided up between Regular, and 20+

But you are able to do that when you have several thousand attendees

I sat in the 20+ section in 2019

It was nice, quiet. Dark

Like I said before, it all comes down to business. Operation costs in Sweden is probably 1/10th of what it costs to run an event in NA

When DH was at the Elmia in Jonkoping, where it's been since 1997 or whatever, it's probably super inexpensive, so you can offer a $99 ticket and make money

Doing business in the US is expensive, so that $99 ticket would probably need to be somewhere around $450/ticket for them to make some money on the LAN

maybe more if they added in any incentives

[thorny estuary]

Zano, I know I’ve been a broken record today on this subject. I totally understand business cost and I respect the desire to turn a profit. Raise the price for LAN

I’d pay 450 for the weekend to get a LAN that looks like Swedens

[chilly lotus]

I agree with you - I just think you will see a LAN exist, but maybe with 100 people at $500 instead of 1000 people at $100

[thorny estuary]

Right. But currently that option has been eliminated.

[chilly lotus]

Correct - I only ever BYOC

so I'm with you

[thorny estuary]

There are so many options too. Bring in another sponsor. Dreamhack LAN brought to you by Pepsi.

[chilly lotus]

So in Sweden, Doritos sponsors the LAN

but they apparently have different budget allocations in EU then they do in NA

[thorny estuary]

lol so I’m literally on the money.

[forest mist]

This year was brought by red bull, walmart, the US Navy, DHL, and whatever else

[potent horizon]

Ideally the whole event can help with LAN costs, like momocon does

[forest mist]

[chilly lotus]

Nintendo has a whole booth in Sweden

Nintendo, Asus, Samsung

[forest mist]

As negatively as i feel about the change nick you're just sayin words bro like

[thorny estuary]

Is the guy who ran the midnight mayhem on Saturday night in the discord? He did a great job hosting that.

[leaden coyote]

Hi all - I hope this makes it to some tournament organizers ears but after attending this year with friends (who I had to drag to attend) -

1. CS2 in the knockout was the wrong direction like what others have said. The general sentiment was "I'm not going to drag my shit to get 13-0'ed by pro teams" (Which did happen on almost every occasion except for a handful.)
2. Tournaments/events in the BYOC were announced... never... How are you going to convince 4-5 other friends to attend to compete if you don't even know if there's going to be something to compete in.
3. After day 1.5 (being knocked out early Day 2), there was no reason to be there. Shout out to Lorence for trying to put on some stuff ad-hoc but people already either left or decided not to attend.

It wouldn't be too difficult to run stacking tournaments. i.e. CS day 1 and 2, valorant days 2 and 3, battlefield day 3. Etc. That way peopel can play in other things once they get knocked out

[chilly lotus]

My biggest advice - fill out the survey when you get it, believe it or not, they do look at it

[leaden coyote]

I filled out the survey and sent it to the rest of the team, but saw the living conversation so wanted to chime in

Just in case you guys wanted to follow up or wanted some more details

I was first there in I think 2018 and had a BLAST.

[chilly lotus]

Saff is watching, even if they don't chime in

hopefully

[ivory forum]

I don't think there is a silver bullet solution to this. Raising the price seems like a logical conclusion, and there are some hardcore regulars that would still attend regardless of price. The problem is that higher prices typically alienate casuals who make up a large portion. Just speaking about what I've seen in other areas.

[leaden coyote]

The drop off from that year to this year was uncanny in organization -- or rather attention to the aspect.

[leaden coyote]

That's the thing tho, BYOC people generally aren't casuals. They're lugging their entire setup across the state. That's a huge investment

[forest mist]

Yeah the idea that price raising exists in a vacuum and wouldnt tank casuals is an insane take

[leaden coyote]

provide an experience that's worth it and it might work out.

Plus we spent like $150 on food anyways... I know venue contracts exist, but if that could be bundled in somehow that might help. i.e. the VIP area

[ivory forum]

So something like a Founders program?

[chilly lotus]

I was holding my tounge

don't get me started

[thorny estuary]

I get it. You would definitely shift who attends the event. But their messaging from organizers is so lackluster. There was no hype. You need more than xQc making an appearance to get the event hyped up. Sell it for it what you want it to be. “The biggest event in gaming”

[leaden coyote]

Never heard of founders program

[forest mist]

Bundling food and other additions into byoc tickets would make it easier to swallow a price raise

[potent horizon]

So sad

[ivory forum]

The irony of that statement is going to be lost on so many people.

[leaden coyote]

That's Austin tho. Never been an option for Atlanta I don't think

[thorny estuary]

Zano how much was that?

[chilly lotus]

2017 ATL

[stable nest]

This

[chilly lotus]

Founders was offered the first year of every new city event

It was replaced by Ultra

[potent horizon]

I am a founder for dreamhack Atlanta

[chilly lotus]

x2

[leaden coyote]

I see, maybe I missed that event

Like I mentioned, my first year was 2018

So it predates me. Hopefully you guys aren't faulting people for not knowing what that is since it's a long time ago

[thorny estuary]

Respectfully. F the casuals. What part of disassembling your PC, loading it into your car, and driving 6 hours to a lan party is casual?

[chilly lotus]

no no not at all

[forest mist]

[stable nest]

This is so arrogant and tone deaf.

[chilly lotus]

BYOC Ultra was idk between $499 - $650 depending on what city it was in. Cali was more expensive then ATL

[leaden coyote]

For the record, I don't think the founders program here provides much value... the only thing that looked enticing there is the add in chair, the swag bag, and the afterparty invite

[queen hemlock]

Why does this feel like a new management playbook.

[chilly lotus]

Well to be fair there are only a couple of the legacy people from old DH that remain

[leaden coyote]

Despite the tone, they have a point. I mentioned it earlier that BYOC is already a huge investment

[queen hemlock]

Starting to make sense.

[chilly lotus]

There were some, other things at other events. In Dallas 2018 we got catering for Lunch and Dinner in Ultra/Founders lounge

[leaden coyote]

^^^ That's a value driver for sure.

[potent horizon]

I don't disagree, we need to get more people to get excited to LAN. it's a dying breed, maybe even a dad thing

[stable nest]

And so making it more expensive and thus harder for people to attend is the solution? You drop 300 dollars on the ticket, close to a grand on a hotel room, and have 2-300 set aside for food depending on where you eat and you're closing in on almost two thousand dollars to be able to attend.

[chilly lotus]

The biggest thing was back in those days we had a pre event meeting and post event meeting w/ the DH Team because the whole point was direct feedback about the event

[ivory forum]

This is the correct response. Appeal needs to be increased and engaging the younger population is a part of that. The problem is kids nowadays have grown up in a different gaming environment that we did.

[leaden coyote]

Skipping a year is how you kill it for sure tho. Having no continuity kills any momentum and people are going to write it off and never check again

[thorny estuary]

Bro I was all in at 700 for the weekend and I bought merch and drank.

[forest mist]

Honestly it goin to may in 26 is whats gonna do it for me since my friends already have a con for the first half of the year

[rare locust]

Farewell Dreamhack 🫡 I only went for byoc

[stable nest]

Good for you, im talking about if you raise prices. Im Not talking about current prices.

[chilly lotus]

I agree with you - I was doing 3-4 events a year. Flights, Hotel, Ultra Ticket, misc food and other costs. You're at like 2-3k weekend

[leaden coyote]

You convert some of those numbers. Maybe you raise the tickets by $100 but you provide extra value. Maybe you provide a pc rental option, maybe you provide food for an extra $200. That way it generaetes more revenue without costing the attendee more

[thorny estuary]

We are talking an additional 150 dollars. Not like you need to take a mortgage out on your house.

[forest mist]

[leaden coyote]

One other miss was simply selling peripherals. Could have sold cables, mice, wired headsets, etc

[potent horizon]

You'd be surprised by the average American

[stable nest]

150 can be a lot to some people.

This is the arrogance i am talking about.

You are apparently blind to the state of the american economy rn.

[thorny estuary]

Look up any 3 day music festival and tell me how much they cost.

[ivory forum]

They were selling peripherals at the DreamHack store.

[forest mist]

As if the music industry tickets arent there own problem with price lmfaooo

Fuck off

[leaden coyote]

I think the point here is not just raising the price just to raise it. I think if you raise the price and provide equivalent value it doesn't feel that bad

[stable nest]

Im talking about dreamhack and BYOC and historically the value the tickets have provided.

[stable nest]

Agreed.

[leaden coyote]

I was looking for some cables... had to drive around town to find some DP cables LOL

[stable nest]

This year we lost value and still had a price increase

[thorny estuary]

BYOC is only slightly more expensive than the tickets to the event lol

[ivory forum]

Don't think they had video/audio cables specifically, but they definitely had mice/keyboard/headsets.

[thorny estuary]

One day tickets were what? 40-50 bucks?

[leaden coyote]

Also didn't see any wired headsets in the merch store

But maybe I missed it

[chilly lotus]

Rental Chair - Maxnomic Sponsor (not a sponsor anymore)
Rental Monitor - Zowie (not sure if they are or not, they stopped having a booth a few years ago)
Rental PC - CLX (Not sure if they still do the sponsor for freeplay)

All this used to exist

[forest mist]

Might just be me but the merch has been its own downgrade

[leaden coyote]

Tough cause I was too dumb to realize that my wireless gear was gonna be worthless LOL

[thorny estuary]

I had to prowl to find a USB C cord from a nice stranger. I didn’t realize how much wireless interference there would be.

[forest mist]

I havent bought any DH clothes in years

Loved those old sweatpants

[stable nest]

Im still rocking my DH sweats from years ago

[leaden coyote]

yup, remember that from 2018 I think. The chairs were here but $90 was a little steep

[chilly lotus]

Learned that lesson the hard way too

[chilly lotus]

What's left of the chairs. So many of them get broken and all the "Good Chairs" get used for the on stage events

[potent horizon]

If you posted here, I had a whole bag of extra cables to help out with

[forest mist]

Our flat bill caps are almost worn out too

[thorny estuary]

Thanks. I was eventually able to find one.

[leaden coyote]

I still have the dreamhack chair that I bought at the end of the event.

[thorny estuary]

I did find one here in the discord.

[leaden coyote]

I think I posted in the BYOC chat

[chilly lotus]

At the time it was a good deal

[ivory forum]

CLX is still a sponsor, not sure if there is a monitor sponsor.

[chilly lotus]

I don't think they are

[thorny estuary]

Thorn. Looks like nobody is going so I guess the price is irrelevant. Your attitude must be “If I can’t afford to attend better that nobody can”

[chilly lotus]

unless it's exclusively for IEM

[stable nest]

I already told you its not about me. I can attend every year.

I have friends and have met people who thats not the case for.

[forest mist]

Also thorns already said they agree with price raises if theres more value

[stable nest]

And thats sad. Especially as has been mentioned, value is decreasing.

[ivory forum]

They had PCs in the Freeplay and Steam Studio areas and were listed as a sponsor on all the imaging.

[chilly lotus]

PCs yes, monitors idk

[thorny estuary]

Like I mentioned earlier in a perfect world everyone can attend for free. But thats not a reality. We are (mostly) PC gamers. It’s already an expensive hobby.

[ivory forum]

Yeah, monitors I have no idea.

[forest mist]

Youre fighting a phantom, not even fighting their points

Wtf are you on

[leaden coyote]

I think we're all on the same page about value provided and experience provided. I think we all feel like BYOC was an afterthought. Just a shame that DH won't be taking this feedback and implementing it for the next event in Atlanta

[stable nest]

This argument is horrible and im not engaging with you anymore.

[forest mist]

All flashy bombastic points yo try and own anyone disagreeing with you, sit down

[potent horizon]

I suppose that is a solution, just make byoc a part of Freeplay and have no dedicated team

[stable nest]

Honestly i would be okay with this

[potent horizon]

Momocon did this pre-covid and it worked well

[ivory forum]

I legitimately think that is the future of LANs to be honest.

[thorny estuary]

The world costs money. I want a Lamborghini, I’m not petitioning them to reduce the price.

[forest mist]

[stable nest]

Holy shit

I have no words lmfao

[thorny estuary]

lol.

[leaden coyote]

well someone tag me if DH staff decides to changes their mind on this. Otherwise, prayge that momocon does something cool

[thorny estuary]

I’m considering that LAN. But anime isn’t exactly in my top 5 fandoms

[forest mist]

Yeah im either getting ragebaited or this dude is beyond hope, either way lmao

[stable nest]

🫡

[potent horizon]

I might start going back to momocon now

[stable nest]

He has to be rage baiting at this point.

[potent horizon]

Guys it's ok to have opinions, you don't need to be dismissive or aggressive

[thorny estuary]

Yep. I’m rage baiting by suggesting a price increase of 130 dollars so that the event lives.

[ivory forum]

Momocon isn't just anime. From their actual site "MomoCon brings together fans of Japanese Anime, American Animation, Comics, Video Games, and Tabletop Games to celebrate their passion by costuming / cosplay, browsing the huge exhibitors hall, meeting celebrity voice talent, designers, and writers behind their favorite shows, games, and comics andmuch much more over this 4 day event. "

[thorny estuary]

https://tenor.com/view/druski-gif-18348698948575815487

[ivory forum]

This please.

[limpid sapphire]

As a person that isn’t really into anime, I love momo

[potent horizon]

I am actually scared of furries and dislike anime. But momocon is still a really cool event

[thorny estuary]

See, everyone I talked to about this weekend just called it an anime thing. Marketing and word of mouth is a weird thing.

[forest mist]

We're not saying not to raise the price at all just that it would be nice to have stuff bundled alongside BYOC so people don't feel like they're just grtting priced out

[stable nest]

Im not being dismissive or aggressive. Ive tried to have a good faith conversation and have been met with "Sorry you're just too poor, this event shouldnt be for you."

[thorny estuary]

I agree with you.

[forest mist]

Then why you tryna tell me how the world works over here

[tribal gulch]

i got really happy that they announced a DreamHack Birmingham until i realized it wasnt in AL

[forest mist]

[thorny estuary]

That’s not my position at all.

[stable nest]

??????????????

[potent horizon]

Chill y'all

Anyway. I think I'll go to momocon instead

Usually I go dh in Texas then momocon right after

[ivory forum]

Nothing against Birmingham Alabama, but if bigger cities are having issues I don't think it would do any better

[potent horizon]

But now that Dallas and Austin are both gone ...

[thorny estuary]

Talking about pricing. But you couldn’t PAY ME to attend a LAN in Alabama.

[tribal gulch]

completely fair but i was just happy that i potentially wasnt gonna have to travel too far but i was naive. oh well my first time attending was fun so hopefully i can find one reasonably close in the future

[potent horizon]

Yeah the travel and lack of accommodations... They wouldn't host dreamhack in the middle of nowhere

[thorny estuary]

tickl where are you from?

[potent horizon]

Austin

I moved here to attend dreamhack

[thorny estuary]

Oof. Good thing you didn’t move to Atlanta this year.

Dreamhack should move to Orlando.

[chilly lotus]

For a lot of us long term BYOC attendees, I think this is what really bacame the overall issue with BYOC and why it has fewer and fewer attendees each year. There is a ticket price to valuation and once someone feels like they aren't getting value out of it, it's hard to convince that person to come back to the event unless there is something that captures them back in

[forest mist]

[ivory forum]

Orlando is more expensive than Dallas and Atlanta lol

[thorny estuary]

Don’t tell Thorn 😂

[forest mist]

Id fear for the cosplayers lives in that heat too

[chilly lotus]

I think the notion that LAN is dying is kind of a false notion. I think people are willing to go and spend money to LAN, but there needs to be some content offereing either in the LAN or in the expo that draws them in as well. I think with BYOC you are going to want to see more hardware vendors and game promotions within the LAN / around the LAN itself, but there has been a pivot to the event being more expo driven and not LAN driven.

Not just in NA either, it's happening in Sweden as well

[queen hemlock]

I'm finding it hard to believe that there is lack of interest in BYOC. Maybe Atlanta is a bad place for it, dunno. But I can't recall mass amounts of empty seats at DreamHack Dallas this year.

[stable nest]

Iiterally rage baiting.

[bronze raft]

isnt also LAN more expensive than day tickets as well?

[thorny estuary]

I j/k take it easy

[whole shell]

Also isn’t DFW remodeling for the World Cup stuff? Getting in and out of Dallas with that AND dreamhack would be hell

[thorny estuary]

It’s like an additional 20 bucks per day

[forest mist]

Thats why dallas aint happening period

Bc the convention center is the one being remodelled

[whole shell]

Remodeling comes with higher prices for conventions

[chilly lotus]

Dallas has the benefit of IEM. You get a lot of CS players there to BYOC as well as watch cs. Dallas does 1000 seats easy most years. ATL has been on the decline and I think that's because there just isn't a good content offering coupled to the LAN to bring that traffic in

[leaden coyote]

Funny thing is that ATL will be having IEM

and yet they're like nah

[forest mist]

Yeah atlanta for me has always been more a TCG and FGC city

Esp fgc

[thorny estuary]

Have you ever been to CEO or Evo?

It’s insane.

[chilly lotus]

@ivory forum - was FGC on the floor? or did they move it into it's own ballroom

[leaden coyote]

Also like, go reach out to the collegiate teams... Clemson brought 2 teams but why didn't UGA or GT?

Or GSU

[queen hemlock]

To me this all feels like some sort of low ball new management slop where they cut corners, features and content, but keep prices up so they can maximize their pocket book gains. I hope this isn't the case. But this sure smells like new management playbook.

I wonder how much cheaper it is to host out of Atlanta than Dallas... That would say it all right there.

[forest mist]

Yeah ive went to evo

[ivory forum]

Zano's notion of ticket price to valuation is right on the money. Why would I spend ($300 on BYOC, $500 flight, $600 hotel, $200 food) when I can game from home for $0. That is the question that needs to be addressed.

[thorny estuary]

Because Community.

[ivory forum]

It was on the floor. Everything was basically building C expo floor.

[forest mist]

Last year it had its own floor iirc

[chilly lotus]

That's good it was on the floor. Some times it has been in it's own ballroom so it doesn't provide for a good attendee experience

I think that was... San Diego?

idr

too many events

[forest mist]

Nah it happened in atl

I kept having to hike up the escalators

[ivory forum]

It was relegated to a different ballroom I want to say either last Atlanta or the one before that.

[forest mist]

Maybe 2 years ago ye

[thorny estuary]

Were any of the FGC events this year open events?

[potent horizon]

Now you know how the Austin guys felt

[queen hemlock]

I see. Blows my mind why they'd choose an area with less interest. From a profits standpoint that makes no sense.

[ivory forum]

I can have community on Discord for $0.

[thorny estuary]

I get it. I can also listen to Taylor Swift on Spotify. But tell that to my wife before I dropped 2k on tickets.

[forest mist]

Ngl for a year or two after BCX moved my draw was the good clothes until i got back into tekken 😆

[ivory forum]

I think Covid also fast tracked the way we think of gaming since we had no choice but to be isolated.

[forest mist]

Id easily buy into this

This sounds very believable

[thorny estuary]

It’s also easier than ever to communicate and LFG and make social connections.

[chilly lotus]

DreamHack and ATL have had a long standing event (2017), I mean the city of ATL has "DreamHack Day" and I know they work closely with local governements and whatnot when planning these events. I'm sure ATL, like most cities, provide incentives for big expos and ultimately leads to where they host them.

[thorny estuary]

But for me, someone who travelled solo this year to BYOC there was a lot of value of entering a designated area to meet other people from my tribe? You know? I can play Magic Arena easily at home. But sitting at my LGS across from real people at Friday night magic makes it better.

[queen hemlock]

But has it surpassed DreamHacks in Texas?

Size size

[potent horizon]

Texas DH is bigger

[chilly lotus]

^

[potent horizon]

Texas can draw from the 4 cities in the triangle

Atlanta... Had just atlanta

[forest mist]

And also more centrally located for travel from outside

[chilly lotus]

Austin -> Dallas have been the biggest NA events and also they can draw from the Quakecon crowd and other local LANfest chapters which exist. There is a strong LAN community in Texas already

[thorny estuary]

I think if the marketing and hype and schedule of events was on point you’d get people building SFFs and flying from all over to pack 500 seats.

[ivory forum]

Don't get me wrong I agree. I grew up on Halo/COD LANs and prefer it, but a lot of people cannot justify that expense for something they can just as easily do from home. That's the problem.

[bold oracle]

I hope SNK & Capcom are back. FGC in general

I really enjoyed myself this time

[chilly lotus]

The DH go bag

[thorny estuary]

Specs on the PC? Is that ITX?

[thorny estuary]

Also. There are a shitload of “you” around the country. Dreamhack just hasn’t found them.

[chilly lotus]

that's my old one I built in 2016.

Loque Ghost S1
9700k
1080ti

[thorny estuary]

That’s sweet.

[potent horizon]

It's a cultural thing. Atlanta culture just isn't as big for coming in and doing stuff. Texans love to convene - rodeos, races, faires, whatnot

[ivory forum]

I think DreamHack did and those were what once were the founders.

[queen hemlock]

Well there you have it. Sounds like Texas DreamHack was the right play. Any business figure should see that. So many more great options to run DreamHack from in Texas. But instead we get a features pulled experience.

[chilly lotus]

My new one

14900k
4080

[ivory forum]

I disagree as our cons are among some of the biggest in the Southeast including DragonCon.

[chilly lotus]

That's what I was saying when I said I attended every DH between 2017 - 2024

as a BYOC attendee

[thorny estuary]

Right.

[ivory forum]

RIP the streak

[thorny estuary]

Zano were you here this weekend?

[chilly lotus]

Disclaimer: I was never paid to be there. I had to pay to be there. I just mod because I care about the cause

[potent horizon]

Same tbh

[stable nest]

Ive been coming for years, since i first moved to Atlanta and this year just didnt hit any of the marks of years past, and priced out some of my friend group.

If there was more value we could justify covering the cost for friends who cant fully make it.

[chilly lotus]

Takes off my Yellow Badge

Remember that conversation about Price -> Value

I'll let you come to your own conclusions

[thorny estuary]

Word

[ivory forum]

I agree with the value needing to match the price. I don't think anyone has quite figured out how is the issue.

[stable nest]

I think more community events announced further ahead is a great start.

[forest mist]

Am i crazy for thinking that every year has had more focus on streamers?

[stable nest]

I did actually really like the challenges this year, that was a highlight. Kept us engaged and working towards something.

[thorny estuary]

I’m adding “make my own Dreamhack” to list of things to do when I win powerball.

[stable nest]

More tournaments. Some with cash prizes, others with just medals.

BYOC ice breaker day where we could gather up in a physical location, make some friends and discuss some games to play

[thorny estuary]

Yeah that’s a good idea.

I was going to bring my racing sim in May and host my own unofficial event. Pick a car/track combination and let everyone take a turn and go for best time.

[stable nest]

Thats awesome. Last year some guy brought an entire home made arcade cabinet setup and ran some fighting game stuff at his seat.

[grave current]

Been coming to DH Dallas and Atlanta for a while. The BYOC announcment was such a heartbreak. Me and my son (along with several other kids from our esports teams and their parents) all would go to BYOC to spend a fun weekend with our kids.

Knowing this is no longer an option, I can confidently say they have lost all of our business moving forward.

[thorny estuary]

Thats awesome

[stable nest]

I brought guitar hero guitars and we jammed some guitar hero last year as well, good times.

[thorny estuary]

Hey. I think I met you guys. Was one of the kids wearing a Chubb jersey?

[grave current]

Heyyyy Chubbs was with us - absolutely 🙂

[thorny estuary]

That sucks. I was in your row and whenever I looked over it seemed like you guys were having a blast.

[potent horizon]

Put that in the feedback form. The decision makers aren't in here

[grave current]

I did the survey

[stable nest]

Unfortunately its the same thing for my friends. The end of event chat at the hotel room was super sad. We are now looking for alternative events to attend for our once a year get together.

[grave current]

Yeah we always travel together and have a great time, it's actually kind of heartbreaking tbh

[empty marlin]

Late to the conversation but it seems wild to me that the argument for scrapping BYOC is profitability when it felt like zero effort was made to make it more profitable. Where were the high margin items like BYOC/tourney specific merch, peripherals, food packages, drink packages, etc etc

[queen hemlock]

In the same boat. My group of 8 are all heart broken and won't be attending Dreamhack further. It is a true disappointment for many.

[thorny estuary]

Not sure how much of the conversation you’ve read. But it appears a bunch of us are moving to Momocon potentially as they will be having LAN.

[potent horizon]

And Momocon is strictly kids friendly

[grave current]

That's an option for sure.

[ivory forum]

Food packages are in a weird spot because those are also insanely expensive from what I saw from my time working in the catering business. $50 per person per meal adds up quick and the alternative would be handing out food vouchers and lets be honest, those concessions carts all sucked.

[grave current]

$20 for a crappy personal pizza and a soda was wild

[empty marlin]

But also as some others mentioned- knowledge and proper marketing of non-pro tournaments such as CS/valorant/etc would sell way more tickets than telling people to sign up to play m80, BIG, Marsborne, etc. We had to basically pull teeth to get 5 to go knowing we’d get roflstomped

[thorny estuary]

I’m really really really pissed that I chose that as my first snack at BYOC on Friday.

[potent horizon]

CFA is only a 10 minute walk

[ivory forum]

I just go to CFA for lunch and then eat out somewhere for dinner.

I cry on Sunday.

[thorny estuary]

Yeah I was really looking for a friend to go to Ruth’s Chris. Didn’t really want to go solo lol

[grave current]

The hotels in Signia weren't bad. We ate there since we were staying there, you can get a good burger and meal there for the same price as a nathan's hot dog and soda at the GWCC lol

*wasn't meant to be a reply

[thorny estuary]

I had a really unpleasant journey loading into the venue so I wanted to walk as little as possible.

[empty marlin]

I am with you 100% that the food sucked and was expensive but some (probably a lot) of gamers don’t really care tbh. They’d pay for crappy pizza if it meant not having to walk a mile to find food elsewhere.

But not even considering offering something along these lines makes no sense, the vendors are already there. Just offer it as an option “pre purchase your meals for a discount”

Regardless, point is that they could have implemented a few things to turn more of a profit but it feels like BYOC was already a write off at this point

[thorny estuary]

lol

[chilly lotus]

Yeah catering was like $56/plate

[ivory forum]

I see your point. At least you can say that you're trying something new to improve the experience.

[grave current]

Just thinking out loud as a business owner myself. If I had an area at an event that was bleeding, the objective would be to keep them there as long as possible.

Meaning - have food exclusive to the BYOC. Offer a crap ton of tournaments that people want to actually play and have food brought to them.

Make them feel like VIP's

Ensure they don't leave so they continue spending money

[chilly lotus]

Just like in Dallas- I walk to Owners Box at the Omni.

[grave current]

Man we ate at "Bob's(?)" at the Omni in Dallas

OOHHHH WOW

I was not ready for that experience in steak

[cinder holly]

What? They’re killing BYOC 😭

I missed that part

[queen hemlock]

Yep, welcome to the end!

[thorny estuary]

Welcome. Many of us are pissed.

[empty marlin]

Exactly. Offer them merch specific to their tournament, don’t make them leave to get food or drinks, the list goes on

[ivory forum]

https://tenor.com/view/robin-robin-hood-robin-hood-men-in-tights-men-in-tights-ded-gif-17655875

[chilly lotus]

My problem with the food is apart from Chick-fil-A, it’s usually terrible. I’ll walk to park bench in Atlanta or somewhere and eat for the same price and enjoy it

[grave current]

YEah but take the same playbook as a casino ...

I know from experience lol

[empty marlin]

I considered calling capital one and disputing my $18 cheesesteak I bought Friday that you could mistake for dog food

[grave current]

make it a buffet or something - sure it's crap

[ivory forum]

The sad part is Big Dave's is actually good. They have no business calling what they gave out Big Dave's.

[empty marlin]

Logistically selling alcohol would be way more trouble than it’s worth but there’s $$$ to be made there too

[chilly lotus]

Bud light used to be a sponsor

And they sold alcohol

[grave current]

I was livid when I ate that ... absolutely horrendous

[ivory forum]

It definitely could not be a buffet or catered food type deal. Even on the low end that's at least $40 per person per meal.

[empty marlin]

I actually wanted to go to Dave’s but bought it on-site assuming it’d be the same food 😭

[ivory forum]

They used to sell alcohol like 3 Atlanta's ago. They sell it in Dallas.

[thorny estuary]

I made the mistake of getting the Asian food at 1015 one night. It was almost ice cold.

[cinder holly]

I mean, it kind of had fallen off over the last few years. They kind of just left it in the dust. Back when I started going to DH in 2022 it was honestly worth the extra money. This year was the first time I didn’t do BYOC. Every year it just felt like they were throwing it away like it’s a side thing, when it used to be a big staple of the event. I can’t justify spending the extra money anymore. The con in general was honestly kind of a disappointment this year with the lack of tournaments, even in the freeplay area. I wanna love DreamHack still, but it’s feeling a lot more like I’m paying to be advertised to them to play games and have fun with like minded people.

[chilly lotus]

Only in the IEM arena now

[ivory forum]

Better than nothing

[chilly lotus]

Because it has been a side thing. NA DH hasn’t had LAN focus in some time

[leaden coyote]

That was not only a disaster because if what you said but also tasted like shit

(not the organizers fault, but there was some valuev to be provided there

)

[cinder holly]

Kind of? I mean, the lack of open tournaments compared to previous years was kind of disappointing. I feel like they used to give at least a little bit more love to BYOC previously.

It was never the main event

[empty marlin]

I think eyok or Chris mentioned the collegiate CS aspect, as someone who played collegiate CS for UGA I would’ve killed for the opportunity to face off against the other teams in the southeast on LAN. Would’ve even paid a separate tourney fee

[cinder holly]

But it still used to be a little bit more worth my money

[ivory forum]

Not much can be done there to improve the food experience as Levy restauraunts runs the GWCC food carts.

[stable nest]

God i hope DH staff are reading and really hearing the community here. I hope that magically they revert their decision to not have BYOC in 2026.

[cinder holly]

Maybe they did this for a reason. Maybe the numbers on BYOC attendance were low the last few years. But I think that could be correlated with the amount of activities that were available for BYOC decreasing as well.

[leaden coyote]

Yeah not blaming the organizers but just another avenue. Cold sandwiches with your ticket in the byoc area would have been value for sure

[chilly lotus]

Go Dawgs

[leaden coyote]

Go Dawgs

[ivory forum]

THWG

[leaden coyote]

🐶

[rare locust]

Needs a new venue. New city.

[chilly lotus]

We didn't have any collegient teams when I was there

[leaden coyote]

@chilly lotus what year were you there?

[rare locust]

Charlotte or Raleigh would be nice.

[chilly lotus]

Class of 2015

[queen hemlock]

New leadership too.

[chilly lotus]

Convention center too small in CLT.. 😉

[cinder holly]

Again, I don’t have access to their statistics. So I cannot judge them on that. There are still plenty of open activities to do at the con, but I feel like that’s been slowly decreasing and becoming more sponser/expo focused. Which is cool, but I don’t really want to pay to just be advertised to.

[rare locust]

Agree

[hexed coral]

AVGL used to run a collegaite shwocase at dreamhack aTL

[leaden coyote]

Oh yeah. A little before us. I started it at Georgia in fall of 2015

[empty marlin]

I think we were conference champs in 2017. Three of us played in the knockout

[ivory forum]

Pick a city with:

1. International airport
2. Convention/hotel space big enough to support the event
3. Cheaper than Atlanta

[chilly lotus]

Let me know if you need a ex 1.6 player igl

[stable nest]

You may only have two, lmao.

[leaden coyote]

Atlanta isn't the problem. I think it's the care and attention to detail

[chilly lotus]

ATL used to be good

That's the thing

[cinder holly]

Orlando is amazing but ABSURDLY expensive

[leaden coyote]

Would love to have one but no lans sorry

[cinder holly]

I don’t think the venue is the problem

GWCC is awesome

[stable nest]

GWCC is fine

[thorny estuary]

Momocon hotel block goes on sale tomorrow at noon.

[ivory forum]

Orlando would have $1000 BYOC seats for sure

[rare locust]

Well the food sucks 🤣

[thorny estuary]

It wouldn’t need to be THAT much. lol

[cinder holly]

Mhm, I help organize a con there, I would know lmao

[stable nest]

I dont think anyone will disagree with that

[queen hemlock]

Let's get some better leadership for Dreamhack. Some fresh minds, current leadership seems unhinged.

[ivory forum]

Food sucks at any convention center space tbh. It's overpriced because of the captive audience.

[rare locust]

Security won’t even let you bring a water

I wouldn’t eat that food for half the price

[thorny estuary]

After the bomb threat security confiscated my shaving razor 🪒

[potent horizon]

I brought in entire CFA meals

You just need to be friendly with the security guys, you know, talk and joke and socialize

[cinder holly]

You should try to bring in any snacks into the BYOC while the con is closed- OH WAIT! 😭

[ivory forum]

Guess I should've specified US city 😛

[empty marlin]

“After smelling some of these gamers, clearly this razor isn’t for hygiene purposes”

[potent horizon]

Birmingham, Alabama

[ivory forum]

Bad tickl

[cinder holly]

Yee, I wish the security vendor we use at FWA were as chill as DreamHacks 😭

[chilly lotus]

I wish DreamHack Vancouver would have materialized

[thorny estuary]

lol. So I came in from B side with my computer. And the security guy opened my bag and was like “what’s that” while pointing at my desktop.

[leaden coyote]

If you've ever drove through Birmingham, you wouldn't even realize it was a state capital

[cinder holly]

LMAO I’ve done that

[ivory forum]

Birmingham, AL can barely handle Kamicon

[leaden coyote]

Birmingham might not even have Internet...

[potent horizon]

I feel like Houston is cheap enough and certainly enough space, just need to fix the Internet situation, get a couple of starlinks

[cinder holly]

lol

[queen hemlock]

Byoc, let's protest at Dreamhack Atlanta! Then after we can rush the hotel lobby and setup a lan!

[forest mist]

Because its not

Its montgomery

Sobbing

[cinder holly]

Could start a lan event in building B 🤣

[chilly lotus]

Could always get together, rent floor space, set up your own LAN

[thorny estuary]

Those require line of sight with the sky lol

[chilly lotus]

Just need to talk to DH Sales

[leaden coyote]

LOL you right. That's why it didn't look like a capital

[forest mist]

Montgomery isnt really good either

Huntsvilles the only city worth a damn here

[leaden coyote]

I didn't see sunlight for 3 days straight.. it was jarring

[forest mist]

Not biased

[empty marlin]

If the Alabamians could read this they would be so mad

*Kidding of course

[leaden coyote]

They might not even know their state capital

[forest mist]

I dont claim alabama i just live here 😭

[ivory forum]

State capital is University of Alabama

Roll tide

[thorny estuary]

Finally went to the Momocon website. This looks pretty sweet actually.

[cinder holly]

I swear they accept everyone

[empty marlin]

You should link it here lol

[cinder holly]

Everyone I know that applied got accepted

[leaden coyote]

They do

[thorny estuary]

https://www.momocon.com/pc-gaming/

[chilly lotus]

Weekend after ATL

so the dates aren't too far off

[cinder holly]

ARE YOU SERIOUS

[thorny estuary]

What was the name of the host for Midnight Mayhem Saturday night? I want to make sure I shout him out specifically in the survey.

[cinder holly]

FWA is first weekend of May, DreamHack is second, and Momocon is third

[ivory forum]

RIP your schedule

[cinder holly]

I can’t take off that much time in one month 😭😭😭

I work FWA so that is required

[ivory forum]

Last year I did Momo one weekend and Dallas the next and I was ded

[gusty portal]

You could, its just not financially responsible

[cinder holly]

I’ve done three cons back to back weekends when I had money 😭

I guess that’s what a credit card is for

lol

[ivory forum]

What's financially responsible

[cinder holly]

One was Dallas, one was Denver, one was Orlando

[thorny estuary]

I’m really shocked that nobody had a booth selling PC peripherals.

[cinder holly]

That was a lot

[cinder holly]

Not sure

Lemme ask my bank

[gusty portal]

Dont know her

[remote ferry]

@ruby lagoon guess we are going to momocon next year instead.... they have byoc https://www.momocon.com/pc-gaming/

[empty marlin]

Our group was talking about this too, two of our guys ended up driving to micro center in Marietta to get a few things

[leaden coyote]

The play is to take the price of one ticket and then gamble it on stake

And you might get it for all the the cons

[thorny estuary]

I wish I caught wind of that I needed a few things myself and didn’t want to commute to red deck and drive away and come back.

[empty marlin]

I remember in 2018 you could buy all kinds of peripherals. Zowie, MSI, etc

[leaden coyote]

If anyone knows the organizers of the lan, I'd love to talk to them and share feedback from this event

[thorny estuary]

I thought I had broken my new Audeze Maxwells. Did not know my wireless audio would be scuffed.

[ivory forum]

Survey or posting in here

[leaden coyote]

** momocon lan

[ivory forum]

Too much wireless all on the same frequency

[ivory forum]

LANfest Atlanta chapter runs it

[leaden coyote]

dreamhack is dead to me, momocon is my new friend

[thorny estuary]

Yeah. It was weird for me. It really only happened when I was shooting my gun in BF6

[empty marlin]

It was so bad for me too on the razer headset. I think everyone’s wireless audio was wrecked

[thorny estuary]

I mentioned earlier but I found a friend who loaned me a type c cord that was long enough to go wired.

Also. Everyone should looking into Audeze Maxwells. I’ve owned every 300 dollar headset and they are far and away the best ones I’ve used at that price point.

[leaden coyote]

@thorny estuary what brand again?

[potent horizon]

It's basic LAN logic that you should avoid wireless devices

[thorny estuary]

Audeze.

[ivory forum]

Not sponsored 😉

[leaden coyote]

AUDEZE NUTS

[empty marlin]

I’m considering those or a pair of LCDs

[leaden coyote]

Sorry

[thorny estuary]

Jesus Christ. You got me.

[ivory forum]

I audibly chuckled

[thorny estuary]

Just remember the drivers are delicate. If you throw your stuff around they won’t last.

[potent horizon]

I did that 3 years in a row I'm fine

[ivory forum]

https://tenor.com/view/supa-hot-fire-gif-4972452

[cinder holly]

I hope they compensate BYOC with more PC Freeplay activities. If it becomes just dealers, advertisers, and esports, I might have to say goodbye to a con I used to love. I enjoyed DreamHack to be able to play games and meet new people doing so. Not to only either be advertised to or sit in a chair watching esports I could watch at home. Not really my cup of tea or why I’ve attended the past few years. I hope whatever they do, they keep the community and open tournaments/gaming aspect alive, or I’ll be saying goodbye. I hope they make the right decision.

[chilly lotus]

The roughest one I ever did was Dallas -> home for 2 days -> DH Summer

I had to take like 2 weeks off

[ivory forum]

I was also stuck on a Greyhound for 18 hours cause all the flights got cancelled

[thorny estuary]

It’s still crazy that an event founded on LAN is getting rid of their LAN.

[cinder holly]

Exactly. I feel they will lose all your core attendees by doing this. It’s rather unfortunate. I brought a group of 12 friends to the con this year. They lost interest really quick, because my group is more social, and they know nothing about esports. When I brought groups in the past, they would stay for more than just a few hours, because there was actually fun stuff for the everyday person to do.

[chilly lotus]

When the canceled the Founders program earlier this year, they lost about 100 - 150 reoccurring LAN attendees.

We all had this discussion a few months ago

[urban cedar]

How can you go to a gaming convention and not game. There was magic gathering tables. Board games. Less free to play video games . And now no LAN/BYOC

[chilly lotus]

Kinda funny - they cancel the Founders program and get rid of all the people who would buy Ultra Tickets, then got rid of the Ultra ticket

[cinder holly]

There is a question that i has been asked by me a lot more frequently recently than in the past, and it kind of hurts to hear. “What are you here for?”

I’m here for hang out and game with people. You can’t even do that anymore.

A lot of attendees seem to be coming for a specific thing, and that’s it.

It’s not really as much as a community event as it once was

It’s a shame

[chilly lotus]

Idk if any of yall were around for the years when they used to have music night, but there were a lot of Saturday day passes sold because they were there to see San Holo or Pegboard Nerds or someone perform

[thorny estuary]

Having the DJ at 10am was certainly a decision.

[chilly lotus]

this would be at like 9pm

[thorny estuary]

I know I’m talking about this last weekend.

[ivory forum]

The music being removed hurt me greatly. They had huge bands at Dallas and gave you something to do.

Now, since the expo closed at 6 and you didn't care about esports there was nothing to do.

[woven cedar]

I still remember having Darude play for us 😄

[thorny estuary]

Yeah. I remember getting up from my PC at one point to walk around at 8 and was like “wtf, everything is closed already?”

[chilly lotus]

Quit rubbing your EU in our face

[woven cedar]

Neveeeer!

[chilly lotus]

I'm sad I missed seeing Basshunter play at Winter a few years ago

[woven cedar]

Should have seen him the first time when he actually sang his own songs

[chilly lotus]

HAHAH

[woven cedar]

That was my first event when he had just released "boten Anna". Even my parents knew the song and we were all pretty tired of him already

[empty marlin]

The pro CS teams must have missed the memo then because most of them were using wireless mice

[thorny estuary]

I will say. I was really impressed with the Voice Actor talent they had this year. I got pictures with the Halo guy and the voice of Esquie from Expedition 33.

[chilly lotus]

Most of the pro CS teams don't usually play in a DH style environment, even at like fragadelphia or an event like that there are maybe 50 computers in there

[remote ferry]

I'm with you!!! and it's in the same place!

[ivory forum]

They were far enough away that the interference shouldn't be a problem

[chilly lotus]

Isn't it like 3am for you

go to sleep

[ivory forum]

He might be in Japan

[empty marlin]

I know, but at least in the knockout section we were all fairly close to each other. None of us noticed any mouse issues

But plenty of audio issues

[empty marlin]

Different frequencies I guess

[chilly lotus]

I switched to IEMs after a dreamhack in like 2019, never went back

[woven cedar]

Nah I had evening shifts this week so I got home past midnight 😄 but yeah bedtime

[chilly lotus]

You mean lay in bed and watch us yap

[thorny estuary]

I noticed a couple micro stutters with my mouse. Talking a fraction of a fraction of a second just a few times all weekend.

[woven cedar]

And I understand your disappointment in the byoc stuff. Im personally skipping my first Dreamhack since 2006 for similar reasons

[ivory forum]

We had more activity in here today than the whole weekend of the festival lol

[thorny estuary]

Imagine if more people knew this discord existed.

[chilly lotus]

What's crazy

There hasn't been an single post in the DH BYOC Discord since Dallas

Bet you didn't even know there was one

[ivory forum]

I know, I checked it on like Saturday and was like

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[chilly lotus]

Who knew there was one

[thorny estuary]

They have their OWN discord. As in not a channel here?

[chilly lotus]

Correct

[ivory forum]

They put up a piece of paper on the QR code signs

Why? Idk

[chilly lotus]

There was a different company running BYOC this year than who ran it for the past 5+ years, so i'm sure they don't even know it exists

[thorny estuary]

Probably broke the link somehow. Or lost the boosts for a dedicated URL

[stable nest]

yea the company which organized it made a whole new disc

[chilly lotus]

of course

[stable nest]

There are people who are upset in the BYOC chat

Not as much convo, just general sadness over the announcement

[chilly lotus]

Can you message me an inv link?

[stable nest]

Done 🫡

No shade to their team, i'm sure they did the best they could with the resources given to them by DH higher ups.

[thorny estuary]

How many LAN seats were there at Dallas this year?

[chilly lotus]

In 2024, there were 1300

and it sold 90% out

[queen hemlock]

No interest

[thorny estuary]

Whoa. So LAN isn’t dead or dying.

[chilly lotus]

I am rounding up w/ 1300

but there's over 1000

it's like 1180

[leaden coyote]

THEY CONTRACTED IT OUT? AND IT WAS STILL SHIT?

[potent horizon]

Just dreamhack is dying

[chilly lotus]

It's been contracted out

[stable nest]

it's always been contracted out.

Honestly though, based on the convos i've had with last year's team I truly believe the fault is with DH staff, not the contractors.

[chilly lotus]

The company that has been running it, were all former DH employees/contractors/volunteers