dusk-modding

[frigid cypress]

stairs

[long anchor]

nice

[gritty forge]

s t a i r

[crimson patrol]

Oh wow

Interesting geometry

[honest stag]

You fell for my trap

[frigid cypress]

guess I am trapped 😔

[honest stag]

Nah about the stuff above

[hallow rapids]

Such beautiful geometry

Those pillars are exceptional

[gritty forge]

Top notch! Can't wait for the final result!

bean finally watched the trenchbroom 2 tutorials

[hallow rapids]

Do these tree textures look too stretched?

[honest stag]

I have started properly detailing the map, one room out of a lot more to go

[hallow rapids]

Looks sick. I can't wait to play it

[honest stag]

thx

[honest stag]

they look like they're not stretched enough

[hallow rapids]

Soooooo stretch them more or..????

[honest stag]

yes

[hallow rapids]

OK, I wanna see how big I can make them without it looking unnatural

[honest stag]

still a lot to go but it's taking shape

[gritty forge]

[gritty forge]

Getting some great Blood vibes here.

Even a bit more than the main campaign.

[honest stag]

my main inspirations were cry of fear and silent hill

[gritty forge]

I see

[long anchor]

cry of hill

silent fear

[honest stag]

fear of hill

Silent cry

[long anchor]

cry fear

silent of hill

[honest stag]

sear of hry

Cilent fill

[frigid cypress]

Nah just looked at a shit ton of screenshots

and Quake

[gritty forge]

[sharp trail]

client fill

pown

[sweet inlet]

why cant i drop the dusk.wad file into trenchbroom

it doesnt let me

[honest stag]

you need to drop it into "texture collections" specifically

[gritty forge]

right panel, click face tab

[honest stag]

click "face" then on the texture collections line click "show"

[gritty forge]

go down to texture collections & drag dusk.wad into it

[honest stag]

or you can press the "+"and find it manually

[sweet inlet]

oh damn

it was hidden at the bottom

thanks

[solar berry]

Been awhile since I chatted here, is there a way to get Dusk entities (health, morale pickups, etc) into Trenchbroom to replace Quake entities

[frigid cypress]

Get the entity list here: #dusk-modding message

then go to entity tab and press browse

then select it

and the entities show up

[solar berry]

Thanks a ton, now back to mapping

[frigid cypress]

np

[sweet inlet]

how would i change the value of a wepons ammo count or is there a list somewhere for all the properties?

[honest stag]

there is none

[sweet inlet]

i mean every gun has a round capacity value right

soo you can edit it somehow

[gritty forge]

yeah i think so

experienced with modding unity games?

you COULD try to mod it in, but I have no idea and im not sure if anyones done it before

the sdk is still wip

[honest stag]

no possible right now afaik

what exactly are you trying to do? give more ammo from the start or less ammo?

[gritty forge]

i think they wanna change max ammo for weapons

like max ammo of shotty from 50 to whatever

i dont think its possible

[honest stag]

you can duplicate the gun entitty into itself multiple times and it'll look as if you picked up a gun with a lot more ammo than default
but it's not going over the max

[ancient depot]

you can modify the ammo limits through dll editing but it's not a supported method and won't be compatible with the game after the next patch

[honest stag]

whenever that happens

[ancient depot]

soon™️

[honest stag]

ofc

[gritty forge]

[ancient depot]

I've been a lot more thorough with this one than with other patches which is why it's taken a while

but I think the result more than makes up for it

[honest stag]

oh i bet it does
daikatana maps? it's all worth it

[ancient depot]

lmao

[alpine depot]

but will my maps cause my pc to explode when i run them

[ancient depot]

yes

violently

[alpine depot]

finally

yeah i feel like the map lag is more of a "me" problem for shoving so much into every single one lol

[ancient depot]

it's also a result of there being a lot of optimization on the table from our side

there's no reason for your maps to run slow tbh, the way the game generates the geometry for unity just needs some revision

[honest stag]

yeah im sure there is no reason for nuts.wad to actually run slow

i cant wait to properly play it after the patch

[alpine depot]

wheeze

[ancient depot]

that should actually be playable soon yeah lmao

[honest stag]

oh wow damn

[alpine depot]

triple the enemy count and keep it barely playable

[honest stag]

you bet i will
i cant have that map run well

it's a crime

[ancient depot]

fun fact the real nuts.wad is playable in prboom

[honest stag]

and now we have custom music
so you bet im adding Kashmir by led zeppelin MIDI to it

[ancient depot]

I wonder how hard actual midi support would be

I probably won't do that myself but once the code is open I'd be willing to accept a contribution for it if anyone cared enough to do it lol

[honest stag]

"hey i want to add sick metallica midis into my map so i made dusk support them"

[ancient depot]

merged

[alpine depot]

oh i wonder, will saving be a bit more stable? because on my maps when you load saves, triggers don't like to activate properly unless you restart the whole thing

[ancient depot]

yeah

the current save system was just a quick hack so there was SOMETHING to use

[alpine depot]

riiiight lol

[long anchor]

i'll miss reviving turrets

:c

[honest stag]

I won't

I will NOT miss reviving turrets

In fact

If a mod has a .map included

Will personally go and remove all of them

Recompile the map and THEN play it

[ancient depot]

based

[honest stag]

Here's a shitty meme i made

[long anchor]

In fact
If a mod has a .map included
Will personally go and remove all of them
Recompile the map and THEN play it
lmfao

and if not

you are allowed to play it with cheats

B)

[long anchor]

[honest stag]

i type NBCLIP so fast at this point

[long anchor]

^

or nbkfa

[honest stag]

Nbdeity sometimes

[long anchor]

i wish i could say nbtarget or nbai or whatever

but

can't have shit in sdk

:c

[honest stag]

nbean

[long anchor]

sorry too braindead

didn't get it

[honest stag]

New bean

[long anchor]

ah

i thought there was more than just bean part

lol

[honest stag]

I cant make jokes deeper than that

[long anchor]

hey dude we need to put palette file in pak

otherwise shit's not working if you don't have quake paks

[honest stag]

Im honestly still unsure if it's needed since you should have a palette/quake pak regardless

Do textures work for ya

[long anchor]

nope

[honest stag]

Welp

[long anchor]

it requires one in pak file

like

it won't show neither textures or models

i think it worked before cause i had quake paks

and it just grabbed one out of them

[honest stag]

Try just putting the palette into gfx?

[long anchor]

yea

[honest stag]

You know the classic stuff

[long anchor]

i mean

yeah i know

i just didn't do it cause

as i said

i didn't copy any of my tools

now i have to redownload and reconfigure everything

[honest stag]

I can like

Semd you my ebtire tb folder

Entire*

[long anchor]

nah at this point i only need pak editor

i wanted to try it later today

[honest stag]

Want me to send it?

Or i can like put the palette right now

And send the updated ver to you

[long anchor]

sure

[honest stag]

1 minute

i hope i get it right 1st try

@long anchor give it a shot

[long anchor]

nice

[honest stag]

i honestly just winged it i have no idea if it'll work

but i think it should

[long anchor]

it's working

nice

[honest stag]

nice

[long anchor]

although

now when i don't have quake pak

it can't find some models

Could not load model progs\oldone.mdl: File not found: 'progs\oldone.mdl' Could not load model progs\hknight.mdl: File not found: 'progs\hknight.mdl'

nyarla and scarecrow post

[honest stag]

just a couple quake models that i left for nargle and i think yea

scarecrowpost

[long anchor]

but yeah, it's working

[honest stag]

not sure why i forgot the scarecrow post but i didnt bother with nargle cuz we cant use him anyway

[long anchor]

yep, true

oh well

now when it's working

time to not finish lower 2 and start completely new project!

hooray!

go me

[honest stag]

hell yeah mang
cant wait to see new stuff by ya

[long anchor]

or maybe i'll finish that map for jam

cause i like the idea and want to actually finish it

and now i don't have to cut some parts cause i have more time to work on it

[honest stag]

also dude it's a big shame you left the map jam channel
there's a people showing off some really cool stuff

a lot of*

[long anchor]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[honest stag]

soooo does that mean you got dusk operational?

[long anchor]

oh

idk i didn't try running it yet

[honest stag]

let's hope it does run

you could always squish the window into a tiny square for MAXIMUM FRAMES

[long anchor]

only i can start configuring all map making stuff before trying to run actual game

they didn't call me braindead moderator on one server for nothing

[honest stag]

lol
well there's always people willing to test shit for you

[long anchor]

hell yeah

[long anchor]

also true

well i mean

it will probably run

it's just that when i run stuff on this laptop it goes from pleasant room temperature to hot as sun in matters of minutes

[honest stag]

when i was streaming my map making process recently i had firefox with a music playlist, obs, trenchbroom, the compiler and dusk all running at once
and my laptop fans died while compiling lighting

couldnt handle it

[long anchor]

oh rip

[honest stag]

they resurrected after a restart and a nice smack though

[long anchor]

good ol' smack

[hallow rapids]

what is this

[honest stag]

Dont worry about it

Same fgd, just added a small file for veven to get it working for him

[hallow rapids]

oh ok

didn't mean to bother you, just curious

[honest stag]

I live in this channel anyway

[long anchor]

i mean, we still can put this updated pak in newer version of fgd when time comes

it's not a fix just for me

it's a fix for anyone who doesn't have quake

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/799356501574680667/803200034622668810/image3-1-1.gif

[honest stag]

true i guess

i THINK my current version of the fgd has like

one small change

or two

and i didnt botrher updating the public one

so might as well right

[long anchor]

nah hold on dude

did i tell that at some point i wanted to completely rewrite this figd?

like

[honest stag]

i dont recall you saying stuff about a complete rewrite, no
what is it that you wanted to change?

[long anchor]

this fgd is basically edited version of some other edited fgd of some other edited fgd

so i wanted to like

rewrite it

so it's nice and clean

[honest stag]

maybe it'll get default properties to work for once

[long anchor]

what is it that you wanted to change?
there is a lot of leftovers from previous versions

default properties are working, the thing is that TB has some weird problems with them

jump pad, remember?

[honest stag]

екгу

true

fuck

my russian keyboard slips

anyway

what are the leftovers exactly? like specific entities that are useless for dusk mapping?

[long anchor]

i don't remember?

a lot of stuff happened since then, i really don't remember

[still raptor]

davai

[honest stag]

DAVAI DAVAI

[still raptor]

🇷🇺

[honest stag]

🇷🇺

i checked

info_intermission is useless right

[long anchor]

based

[honest stag]

so that can be cut

[long anchor]

yeah something like this

i think this useless stuff is mostly on top and bottom

[honest stag]

i'll check it right now

just to see

yeah starting to see a lot of leftovers

ambience for example

oh oh oh also

if you're going to rewrite it

let's remove the default light property that it has
it's a weird one and i dont like it

it's _light with 4 numbers instead of simply splitting it into "light" with a light level and _color specifically for color

pretty sure this is useless for now too

anyway i need to go to bed

good luck with TB mang

[still raptor]

sleeping?

pfft

fake gamer alert

[long anchor]

good night Vriskaman

[crimson patrol]

Func_vehicle

[long anchor]

func_vehicle when

[tiny pasture]

Give us func_vehicle now

[crisp raven]

Which comes first: func_vehicle, Lower 2, Switch port?

[gritty forge]

this is a damn good question

[long anchor]

[long anchor]

even better question

sdk on switch port

[honest stag]

even better question
h

[crimson patrol]

Func_switchport

[long anchor]

poor zom

he's a real chad tho

[sharp trail]

just check out #lfg-signup. Im sure you can find some people to play with @honest stag ;)

[honest stag]

last time i played i had over 300 ping

which was like several months ago when the speedrunner discord decided to hang out

[gritty forge]

I just had a good idea for the pathfinding issues that doors introduce

what if we had a spawnflag that like, makes the game ignore that brush when it renders the enemy pathfinding

idk if that's possible but that would be awesome

[honest stag]

^ solved that in dms

[gritty forge]

What's the flag to add a red key condition to doors in Trenchbroom?

[gritty forge]

pins

[honest stag]

"key" propertly

the fgd should have not only that property by default on func_doors, but also a small descrtiption below with a reference

[gritty forge]

mandatory fgd

Ahh I see the key property now. I missed it at first. Thanks

[gritty forge]

only me who has this issue with the SDK not playing audio from things like hallowed health and enemies after the first time I start a map when opening the game

so if I replay a map it wont have ambient audio

[elder hearth]

so ive downloaded a f*ckton of mods but when i try to load the game up to play them, the gameboot screen (the one with the fakedos) just stays blank. nothing but black. did i do something dumb?

[honest stag]

what mods have you downloaded?

excluded custom levels

[elder hearth]

just a bunch of texture and sound replacement mods

i can send a picture of the folders

[honest stag]

i think there are 1-2 mods that break the game

so yeah do that

[elder hearth]

i cant seem to be able to send a pic

[honest stag]

oh yeah you dont have the rat rank yet
it's just a thing to prevent spam, you'll get it after some activity

dm it to me if you want

[elder hearth]

k

[long anchor]

this reminds me of another reason why i wanted to completely rewrite it

[honest stag]

also

we forgot func_group

[long anchor]

some properties have Jack related descriptions

¯_(ツ)_/¯

at least i remember that i saw and replaced one

maybe it was only one

maybe there's more

never know who to trust....

[gritty forge]

looking for playtesters who can record

[sharp trail]

if it isn't a 40 minute map ;)

[worn umbra]

custom wepon models wen

[honest stag]

[worn umbra]

:(

[honest stag]

trust me, i crave them just as much

[worn umbra]

really i want music_queue tbh

oh actually

a way to modify the player

like speed and hp

idk how many people would use it, but it would be real cool

[sharp laurel]

Hi i’m pretty new to dusk modding

I’ve tried maybe like one map

[honest stag]

there's a jam map pack coming out in like 5 days so

how about giving that a shot

[sharp laurel]

What’s a jam map pack

[honest stag]

map jam - event where many mappers come together and make a map in a certain time period, usually based on a same there/prompt

and the map pack is well

that

[sharp laurel]

Ohhh i see

Is quake needed for creating dusk maps?

[honest stag]

nope

[sharp laurel]

Okay great

So how long does it usually take to create a map?

[honest stag]

depends on the size, the skills and how much time per week do you put into your map

i've been mapping on and off for the past year and i made a 4-5 minute map for the jam in about a week, 10-15 hours total

for someone new a big map may be a big time sink

[sharp laurel]

Oh wow

[honest stag]

small maps used to take me over 2 weeks when i first started

[sharp laurel]

Well how is it? Does it get tiresome?

[honest stag]

it's somewhat tedious at some points, like making the general layout and basic texturing, but it's a pretty fun process overall

[sharp laurel]

Does it take too much time to understand the basics?

[honest stag]

no, not really

it's pretty simple thanks to Trenchbroom being very intuitive

[sharp laurel]

Alright, thank you!

[gritty forge]

q1. no
q2. what vriska said
q3. sometimes
q4. trenchbroom is one of the easiest map editors you can get into, the only easier thing I can think of is ultimate doom builder

[gritty forge]

... easiest for making maps in boomer shooters

:D

[honest stag]

it's all fun and games untill you need to make a round object

[bold orbit]

haha

jack superiority strikes again

look it doesn't even compile

[last talon]

muh grid

[long anchor]

hehe complex brushes go btrrrrr

[last talon]

this dude seriously making balls in here

[long anchor]

it takes some cubes to do that

[onyx marten]

fun and games start when making round objects

[honest stag]

Why not use the rhombus method

[last talon]

The roomba method

[sharp trail]

lol

roomba

[long anchor]

@honest stag goat roomba model replacement?

[honest stag]

roomba sounds easy to make lmao

so i could easily do it

[long anchor]

hah

[honest stag]

could keep the sounds

cuz why not

RAT

ROOMBA

[long anchor]

RAT ROOMBA

YES

you know

now i got the idea for the mod

you know how as a kid you pretended something is alive and you shot it with, idunno, a broom??????

[honest stag]

the household tech rises up
the vacuum cleaners, roombas, washing machine mechs, blenders with legs

[long anchor]

or just toy guns in general

[honest stag]

lmao

[long anchor]

the idea is

make a mod like this

[honest stag]

the housewife nightmare mod

[long anchor]

yeah

upcoming sdk updates would be perfect

[honest stag]

they sure would
the only thing left is to uh

to wait

[long anchor]

is it legal to make mods with nerf guns

would be neat

[honest stag]

water guns

[long anchor]

make splashes

actually that would be fun novelty weapon

you regain ammo in water

and obv you can't shoot underwater

but not make it hivehand type of novelty weapon

that you

pick up

and never use

[honest stag]

holy water gun

that way you only refresh it at holy water fountains

and it would kinda make sense for it to deal damage

[long anchor]

if theme of the mod is all around holy stuff

this water could also heal you

cause why not

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[long anchor]

yeah

[honest stag]

should it be a projectile

or hitscan

[long anchor]

projectile would make more sense

water isn't as fast as bullets

[honest stag]

the shotgun is a spray bottle lol

[long anchor]

lmao

[hallow rapids]

Assault Rifle is a hose

[frigid cypress]

does anyone know how to make a dome shape in trenchbroom?

[gritty forge]

yeah wait one sec

vid of making dome

make a brush with curves, i think i used 12 to get a nice curve

then duplicate that brush with curves, move it upwards & scale it down to adjust the top face of said brush

then you ctrl j that brush's top face and the top face of the brush below

repeat until you get a nice dome

once you get said dome you can ctrl j it all together into 1 brush

[frigid cypress]

thanks

[honest stag]

you know dumptruck_ds has videos on this

curves and shit

[inner ice]

how does one mod dusk

and are there any good mods (sorta like Blood's Death Wish)

[honest stag]

Custom maps, textures, sounds and some model replacementns are possible rn

[frigid cypress]

Didnt know he did anything on Domes or anything

[frigid cypress]

When there is multiplayer support I will go all in on it.

[gritty forge]

mod support is bare bones

[sharp trail]

there are good map packs and maps. Rn there are just texture and model replacement mods. THats all we can do rn. More will come tho

[inner ice]

Alright cool

I just want a reason to play dusk again

[honest stag]

Didnt i say th-

Oh whatever

[gritty forge]

How do you get teleport destinations in Trenchbroom to map to the z coordinate?

[honest stag]

wdym?

[gritty forge]

No matter where I put the destination in the editor, during gameplay, the z of the destination is always locked to be a little less then the z of the teleporter itself (it actually makes you clip through the floor)

[honest stag]

what teleporter do you use first of all

trigger_teleport or object_teleport

[gritty forge]

object

[honest stag]

it's broken sadly

trigger_teleport is the right way to set up teleports right now

i think object_teleport just sends you to 0,0,0

[gritty forge]

Ahh thanks, good to know.

It gets the x and y coords correct at least

[honest stag]

that's suprising
i thought it was completely broken
at least the map i tested it with

[brittle cosmos]

Hi everyone, I'm just trying to get started but I can't import the wad (dusk_transparent.wad, from the pinned message). This is what the trenchbroom console shows after creating a new map using Quake and Standard (not Valve) mode:

wait I can't paste images

Renderer info: Radeon (TM) RX 480 Graphics version 4.6.14757 Compatibility Profile Context 20.12.1 27.20.14501.28009 from ATI Technologies Inc. Depth buffer bits: 24 Multisampling enabled Adding file system path D:\Tools\TrenchBroom-Win64-v2021.1-Release\defaults\assets Adding file system path D:\Tools\TrenchBroom-Win64-v2021.1-Release\defaults\assets Adding file system path C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Quake\id1 Adding file system package PAK0.PAK Adding file system package PAK1.PAK Creating new document Loaded entity definition file Quake.fgd Loading palette file gfx\palette.lmp

When I drag the wad into the face tab (like in the video) it has a 🚫 cursor and doesn't do anything

Am I missing something?

Ok I've got it - you expand the Texture Collections panel at the bottom and drag it in there

[gritty forge]

very funny that you post a log with no errors

[brittle cosmos]

I don't really think that's funny - the point is to show that there are no errors

[tiny pasture]

Funne joke

[crimson patrol]

New blood interactive

[long anchor]

old blood entertainment

[bold orbit]

Duskenstien the New Blood

[gritty forge]

That would be cool

Complete with all that unique German weaponry

[pearl fox]

Is there anything you can share from SDK dev for screenshot Saturday? Would be super interested in seeing what you're currently working on

[crimson patrol]

func_vehicle reveal

[tiny pasture]

It’ll be millennia before we see func_vehicle

It’s too powerful for dusk

[long anchor]

zom will find a way to implement it

he's a genius

[honest stag]

https://dusk.mod.io/dusk-spring-2021-map-jam/#124551

[ancient depot]

👀

[high magnet]

I did all of them

[honest stag]

yeah we were like
"hey we cant finish our maps can you please do them all"

and he made them all in 2 hours

very cool

[still raptor]

damn i gotta try this

[gritty forge]

Epic

[spark sphinx]

Is it possible to replace sounds in the base game? Or is the ability to modify the game strictly tied to the SDK?

[gritty forge]

You can replace sounds so far in Dusk.

[ancient depot]

Mods in general are restricted to the SDK, since that's where mod support originates to begin with

[spark sphinx]

Ok. Does SDK change anything in terms of difficulty? I was playing it on I Can Take It and i noticed that enemies were moving faster than normal and when i checked the difficulty setting, it was set to accessible.

After changing it, the enemies largely stayed the same. Im not sure if it's a problem on my end.

[ancient depot]

The SDK should not differ at all in gameplay

It's just the game with mod support

[still raptor]

The menu saying "accessible" is just the default UI setting, has no bearing on the current difficulty until you select one

the best way to check your current difficulty is to press tab

[honest stag]

helll yea we got an announcement

[golden jacinth]

Time those of us in the jam discord to triumphantly return here lol

[still raptor]

im excited to play these, i didnt have time yet

they look great

you guys killed it

[honest stag]

i cant wait to play all the maps either
only played one and it was BADASS

[gritty forge]

🥳

[bold orbit]

Has anyone tried to recreate/transcribe the campaign maps into JACK/Trenchbroom?

[long anchor]

i don't think so

tho once me or vriska (i don't remember exactly) got the idea to make like

dusk campaign abridged

like

maybe

3 levels, one for each EPISODE

we never started

[bold orbit]

fine

i'll do it myself

[tiny pasture]

Why would you do that to yourself

[gritty forge]

What is this?

[tiny pasture]

He’s recreating the campaign maps

[gritty forge]

Wow

[long anchor]

woah dude

wtf

dusk campaign remade when

[gritty forge]

oh boy

[bold orbit]

David said he would have had an easier time creating this in TB instead of Probuilder, but so far I am not having an easy time transcribing this 1-1

[gritty forge]

How the fuck did david make dusk's maps in probuilder

It looks like a nightmare

[bold orbit]

Sheer determination and boxes upon boxes of macaroni

There's a lot of geometry that just didn't compile

mostly this detail here

Looks simple but for some reason both TB and Jack don't like it no matter what angle I go at for it

[still raptor]

youre a madman for attempting that

[bold orbit]

WHEN I TRANSCRIBE

I ALWAYS AIM FOR 1-1

TO DO LESS WHEN 1-1 IS POSSIBLE, IS TO INSULT THE ORIGINAL

however I am forced to do it this way.

because 1-1 on THIS detail doesn't seem to be possible

[crimson patrol]

Mad

[bold orbit]

Not mad

just ahead of the curve

[quaint heath]

we need Dunes from Serious sam

is trenchbroom the only tool to use or can I create my world geo in something else?

[still raptor]

you can use JACK or hammer, or radiant, worldcraft

any BSP authoring tool

[quaint heath]

Oh ok that's pretty sweet

[frigid cypress]

I will make egypt

themed

using Socks Egyptian Quake wad

[long anchor]

finally

i worthy opponent to Trespasser

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[frigid cypress]

wot

[frigid cypress]

flame bowl made of brushes

[gritty forge]

if it isnt filled with tricks & traps i'm going to be severely disappointed

[frigid cypress]

Good idea

but how do I make traps?

I can surprise with enemies

but I need more

[honest stag]

Sounds like simple trigger_hhrt and func_door mechanisms

Could even pareht a trigger_hurt to a door

Cool to see another egypt map in dusk after all these months

Same wad too

[frigid cypress]

I have a really cool trap

its a spike which pops from the ground and hurts you

its a func_plat

so get too near and it will hurt you

so be careful

[honest stag]

nice

did you parent a trigger for that?

[red phoenix]

wait tthere are mods for dusk

[honest stag]

mostly custom maps for now
we can also replace enemy models (mostly), sounds (mostly) and textures

[solid isle]

Sorry to ping you with this, but Hammer?
Is this now true?

Or did you mean GoldSrc Hammer

Not that JACK is incredibly different (sometimes better even), but there's some stuff that I like out of (Source) Hammer's functionality that JACK still doesn't do

[still raptor]

both

however note that source bsp is not, and will not, be FULLY supported

however there is support for some of it on the way

[ancient depot]

yeah it can load basic geometry from source bsp now

I don't think I'll support displacements or anything like that though

source bsp is supported for one reason and one reason only

because it's fucking funny to

[honest stag]

what a chad way of doing things

[long anchor]

^^^

@honest stag is it a chad way to not finish Lower 2 to generate infinite funnies?

[honest stag]

Yes.

[long anchor]

[hoary juniper]

But muh displacements

how else will we create we create weird CSG terrain?

[frigid cypress]

I actually made an egypt map for quake, my vision for the map was messy and the map, despite looking pretty good, played really bad.

so I discarded it

but for Dusk I have a clear vision

[red phoenix]

does anyone have any good mods

[honest stag]

Custom maps are the good shit

[red phoenix]

i can download

[honest stag]

Just head over to mod.io, sort by levels and play whatever catches your eye

[frigid cypress]

Go to ModD

ModDB*

[honest stag]

bad idea

The maps there are VERY old

And there's like 4 of them there

[red phoenix]

ccan i make my own guns in dusk

[frigid cypress]

Ah I see

[honest stag]

Ni

No*

[red phoenix]

oh

[frigid cypress]

You can make your own map tho

very easy

[red phoenix]

can i make my own enemies

[frigid cypress]

no

[honest stag]

kind of

[frigid cypress]

the SDK for Dusk is not fully made

[honest stag]

You can replace the models and the sounds

But not the functionality

[frigid cypress]

Its still in dev

[red phoenix]

will it ever be finished

[honest stag]

Yea

[red phoenix]

is david still working on it

[honest stag]

Probably not? But ask devs about it

Its Zombie primarily working on it judging from what he said

[frigid cypress]

I see the trespasser map and compared to mine, it is in tombs and is very dark but I am going the opposite direction.

[honest stag]

It has an outside area

Its pretty short but we worked hard on it

[frigid cypress]

I will play it

when I have time

[frigid cypress]

Is it possible to teleport in items such as weapons and ammo?

[gritty forge]

lots of monsters?

[frigid cypress]

I will put alot of enemies

[gritty forge]

i still wait for the day that we will get a dusk slaughtermap with overly detailed areas & crowds of enemies

[frigid cypress]

But not an unbalanced amount

[alpine depot]

isn't that just my maps 😎

[frigid cypress]

How do I make transparent glass? What are the values of rendermode and amt

to make the transparent glass

[crimson patrol]

unbalanced amount is fun

[crisp raven]

rendermode 2, renderamt around 180. The max renderamt is 255 (which is solid) and 0 (which is invisible)

[frigid cypress]

I have made a trigger for a door but when it is opened and then closed I cannot open it again

[crisp raven]

Is wait set to -1?

[crisp raven]

Looking for playtesters

[gritty forge]

me

[frigid cypress]

no

[frigid cypress]

now buttons wont work

[crisp raven]

It sounds like you have a trigger_once targeting the door. So it only works one time and then stops. You need to use a trigger_multiple instead.

[frigid cypress]

👍

thanks

[frigid cypress]

I want my door to hurt on when it touches the player but putting value in 'dmg' doesnt do a thing

[crimson patrol]

That doesnt work like you think

Your best bet is to parent a trigger hurt to the door

[gritty forge]

Dusk good

[crimson patrol]

Ye

[acoustic pond]

wait so how do you load dusk mods

[honest stag]

get into the sdk beta on steam (through the betas tab)

put the mod folder into
dusk-sdk-mnt-local

load up the sdk, in the "modding" menu click the black square to the right of the mod and hit "apply"

mod done

if it's a custom map, then you go into "campaign"
"custom level"

[acoustic pond]

what's the beta access code

wait

[honest stag]

there is none

[acoustic pond]

yeah

I was being dumb

ok so

I don't think my computer can handle nuts.wad

[still raptor]

thats the point after all

[spice thorn]

even when you're playing classic Doom barely any computer can run nuts.wad

you can thank B.P.R.D for that

[honest stag]

just played all the maps in the jam

that was absolutely incredible

i highly recommend it if you havent played it yet

[gritty forge]

So I've been messing around with the sdk, and I noticed that the models are in a format I've never seen
long story short, I've found multiple iqm/iqe export tools, but I'm looking for import tools
the singular tool that I have found does import the skeleton, but no mesh data is imported

[honest stag]

noesis may be able to help you here

maybe

at least i used it to convert iqm models into .mdl

it can do other formats so yeah

[gritty forge]

thank

[honest stag]

i think it's far from perfect though, but it's the best i got

[gritty forge]

well

the mesh data ported

not very well, mind you

but it ported

[honest stag]

yeah it aint perfect at all lol

but it works

[gritty forge]

ayyy, it worked properly

I got a sideways a-posing wendigo

[frigid cypress]

screenshots

[stuck dome]

🥵

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

fun fact gamers

You can climb on the under side of ladders :v)

[frozen basalt]

pacman in 2021

[crimson patrol]

pacman in 2022

[thick steppe]

:V

https://tenor.com/view/dies-of-cringe-cringe-gif-20747133

[halcyon current]

holy shit

he just console commanded "kill" himself

[abstract pier]

why does the channel description talk about dusk

what is that

[steel frost]

never heard of it

[last talon]

happy?

[honest stag]

h

[bold marten]

hrot sdk when?

[honest stag]

whenever the dev stops using .pak for it's files

homebrew .pak*

[ancient depot]

homebrew .pak is based

[gritty forge]

I love when people use already existing file extensions :)

[honest stag]

https://dusk.mod.io/pirate-ship

if you havent played this yet - you better play it

[bold orbit]

The ultimate hrot mod.

[gritty forge]

HROT FOR PSP WHEN

[umbral pike]

the pspspspsps

[crisp raven]

https://dusk.mod.io/thebunker GET IT WHILE IT'S HOT

[bold orbit]

like 7 enemies

[gritty forge]

They are all Big Johns

[gritty forge]

The 🅱️unker

[gritty forge]

The B(ig John)unker

[crimson patrol]

THE BUNKER

[gritty forge]

The bjonker

[honest stag]

What.

The fuck

[crisp raven]

0 downloads so far ;(

COME ON PEOPLE ITS A LIMITED TIME OFFER

[honest stag]

i cant believe it's literlaly just the bunker

what the fuck

[crisp raven]

Turns out there were 8 enemies not 7 whatever

[gritty forge]

The 8th is in the balls

[gritty forge]

https://dusk.mod.io/ultradusk-prelude

the real...

[frozen basalt]

How can I install custom maps for Dusk?

[honest stag]

put the mod folder into dusk-sdk-mnt-local

then enable the mod from the menu

then campaign-custom level

[frozen basalt]

Ty 👍

[crimson patrol]

[gritty forge]

Holy shit I love you

[gritty forge]

otex textures without a single broken one, loaded in trenchbroom

it is beautiful

i dont know if dusk sdk is even going to load the textures properly without something not working but

¯_(ツ)_/¯

me try my best

ok hacky external textures didnt work. FUCK

[gritty forge]

does killtarget not work in dusk?

[honest stag]

What specifically are you trying to do

[honest stag]

Yea

[gritty forge]

I take this back @gritty forge

give me like another week

part of me still takes it back because of how much I hate rats

[mortal narwhal]

It's been a while, are you able to spawn in enemies without using teleportation jank?

[gritty forge]

nice filter

if teleportation jank you mean trigger_teleport, info_teleport_destination, seperate rooms, separate triggers, blah blah blah pain pain pain

yea u still gotta do that

[mortal narwhal]

damn that sucks

[honest stag]

MCCLONE :)

:D

hi

[crimson patrol]

Teleporters are really turbojank

[gritty forge]

I'VE DONE IT

I MADE IT

[frigid cypress]

huh?

[gritty forge]

D O M E

it's beautiful

[tiny pasture]

[agile zenith]

D o m e

[bold orbit]

it's magical

the compilation errors

[crimson patrol]

Oh man you have not seen sphere

[long anchor]

not simon sphere

[sharp trail]

yes i want pc to explode

[crimson patrol]

Compile, and weep

[mortal narwhal]

Here's the real way to do curves btw: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjzYKGm_DQk

[gritty forge]

what the fuck

[honest stag]

Mcclone the chad coming in to sve the day

Show em the absolutely stunning maps ya made

Literally tge best looking tb maps ever

Just to establish dominance

[mortal narwhal]

@honest stag
Lol, play arcane dimensions and be even more blown away :)
me maps dabs epicly:
https://dusk.mod.io/undertow
https://dusk.mod.io/pirate-ship

[honest stag]

and now bring out the big guns with screenshots of your quake maps

becaues they are technically dusk maps too eh?

[mortal narwhal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/670375902739300392/719371268260102154/unknown.png
Well, they're made for arcane dimensions so basically no. I could try to port them ||which sounds fun tbh, I would realistically need to be able to scale dusk dood down a little|| if I do finish them

makkon textures ftw

[honest stag]

like dude holy shit that looks so cool

[mortal narwhal]

im telling you man

[honest stag]

@gritty forge and there's a dome too

[mortal narwhal]

arcane dimensions

[gritty forge]

thats awesome

[mortal narwhal]

10x better

and the maps are finished

lol

[tiny pasture]

Wtf how does that look so good

[honest stag]

but it's quake :(

[mortal narwhal]

true

are we able to scale dusk dood's size girth?

[honest stag]

i did kind of yea

[mortal narwhal]

woah

[honest stag]

i'll look 1 moment

also the fgd is done

[mortal narwhal]

:0

[honest stag]

yeah me and veven spent a lotta time on it

it's in pinned messages

anyway lemme find the info real quick

Duskdude should be approximately 64 quake units tall
And around 35.2 units when crouched

actually hold on i had a bit more detail on that

god where did i post it

i know i did

[mortal narwhal]

That seems like around quake dude's height

[honest stag]

not precisely ofc
im still looking for it and i cant find it

urgh i know i tested it

eh well it was somewhere around 64

[mortal narwhal]

nice

I'll port my map whenever I finish it

[honest stag]

fuck yes dude

[mortal narwhal]

its going to be epic

[honest stag]

it'll be easily the best looking map

[mortal narwhal]

fingers crossed

i need to play the 40 other maps on the mod.io page

ive been slacking

[honest stag]

lol
most of em are by PrincessTorii

i'd say like half or something like that

[mortal narwhal]

wow thats nuts

[honest stag]

yup

absolutely insane performance

and each is better than the last

and quite big too

[mortal narwhal]

noice

[honest stag]

anyway glad ur back :)

now go map

[mortal narwhal]

lol ty :)

[crimson patrol]

Go map

[mortal narwhal]

or else

[frigid cypress]

I am just waiting for making Multiplayer maps.

seems alot more fun and simple

Quake uses TGA files for Skyboxes is it supported by Dusk?

[honest stag]

no

you can just split them up into the same stuff dusk wants

[frigid cypress]

f

TGA files make it easier to implement skyboxes.

[honest stag]

there's upsides and downsides to it

[sharp trail]

you can already start making concept maps. I know some people who did

[frigid cypress]

Good Idea

but would be painful to wait until the FDG is finished.

[sharp trail]

yea

but you could stockpile maps and then we'd have abunch of them once the SDK releases

[ancient depot]

TGA is already supported in the upcoming patch, for reference

[bold orbit]

Didn't David say that DUSK essentially uses Quake scaling

[gritty forge]

speeds are different though

[frigid cypress]

I have a rule when making dusk maps

always put the ssg on a pedestal

and in a large open area

and that room must be gorgeous

[crimson patrol]

praise be unto the glorious, perfect ssg

you better treat it like a prince

[frank moth]

ssg sucks

[gritty forge]

you suck

and you stink

[frigid cypress]

large chains

[honest stag]

You could connect the corner edges

Itll look better

[frank moth]

it was a prank I was joking

april fools

I actually use the ssg the most

[high magnet]

fr crossbow lowkey worst weapon

[sharp trail]

nah brah

crossbow solid

hunting rifle do

worst weapon in game lel

[honest stag]

MG is easily the most useful overall, but the crossbow is great too

[high magnet]

crossbow is flaccid

[sharp trail]

crossbow long and hard

just how i like it lele

[high magnet]

😳

[sharp trail]

crossbow weapon for men seeking destruction and for feminine people seeking pleasure

[high magnet]

I was memeing whe I said xbow was bad btw

legit one of the best weapons

[sharp trail]

no #

[high magnet]

Basically the doom plasmagun but better

[sharp trail]

trash weapon is corsbow

[honest stag]

if you were to pick one of the dusk guns to take with you on a desrted island (map), which would it be

[sharp trail]

hmm

rivet

[high magnet]

What would be on the deserted island

[sharp trail]

clean source of water

[honest stag]

thick jungle, beaches, all that shit

[sharp trail]

poisones berries

perhaps le tigre 👀 ?

[honest stag]

now you see a riveter seems like a good choice but what if you have to kill things close range
splash damage yo?

[sharp trail]

whatever

doesn't put things on fire

i don't gotta be to percise

[high magnet]

shotties honestly

[sharp trail]

besides i can probably hit on point anyways since i have so much practice

[high magnet]

Best ammo pool and utility ratio

[sharp trail]

it cant rocketjump

[honest stag]

but what about when you have to deal with those fuckhead red mages from far away

[sharp trail]

i can get onto high places quickly

[sharp trail]

bruh they don't even move an inch

just shoot ground next to them with rivet easy kill from far away

[high magnet]

MG could be good too but I doubt I'd be strong enough to wield the damn thing

[honest stag]

but you'd wield the 2 shotties, 1 in each hand?

[high magnet]

Nah just use one at a time

Keep the other in the manniacc stash

[sharp trail]

what do you guys think about mortar

If we extend it's capabilities we can make traps

[high magnet]

It'd be cool but I doubt I'd need explosive traps to hunt hogs or fight wild animals

[sharp trail]

you can set up a bunch of them and make them do the hunting while you do something else

like build a house but you're protected from predators

[honest stag]

mortar is very underused and underappreciated

[sharp trail]

yes

[honest stag]

honestly i would just pick the MG
i cant think of any situation where it would be bad

it can snipe, it can shred things at close range

anythin

[sharp trail]

it's literally the only splash damage weapon besides rivet and it has more ammo

and it has higher dps when there's a lot of enemies close to eachother so you rarely get overwhelmed

[crimson patrol]

i'll take the sword

infinite ammo, tons of damage, can block attacks

[sharp trail]

you gotta have 100 health and 50 morale for that to work

not only do you have to find gold but you gotta carry it around and as soon as you get a splinter it's no more high attack damage

it's a pretty cool weapon tho. Wish more maps implemented it well. It makes duskmare suprisingly playable

[honest stag]

may i interest you in trespasse

r

[sharp trail]

no go away mapper man

[neat plank]

make H dusk

[honest stag]

make it yourself

[tiny grotto]

Unsure about the correct channel to ask this in so posting both here and in #general-modding , is it possible to open Quake 1 maps in TrenchBoom or something to remix them?

[honest stag]

I think there are .map files for the original quake somewhere on the internet

[tiny grotto]

Google hasn't been super helpful :< Perhaps I've been searching the wrong terms?

[honest stag]

Hol up ill look around

[tiny grotto]

Muchas gracias

[honest stag]

https://rome.ro/news/2016/2/14/quake-map-sources-released

This looks like it

@tiny grotto

imma check just to be sure

yeah

it's them

[tiny grotto]

THANK YOU TONS OH LORD

Downloading!

[honest stag]

just make sure to get the id1.wad for textures
i had it layin around somewhere

get the dusk FGD if you're intending to remake them for dusk properly

in pinned messages

[tiny grotto]

Thanks again! This'll (hopefully) be my very first Dusk mod

[crimson patrol]

Are big file sizes detrimental to mods

[honest stag]

nah

[tiny grotto]

I have the SDK, I have TrenchBoom, I have the Quake 1 .map files, I have id1.wad, do I need anything else before getting my hands dirty? Aside from the FGD (whatever that is)

[crimson patrol]

Or can I rock with a 7k kb bsp

[honest stag]

the FGD is basically a way to see all the dusk models and props in the editor instead of seeing them as grey squares

which saves a lot of headache when for example you place a dusk couch and dont know which way is it facing because it's a grey cube

the fgd is a solution to that

[tiny grotto]

Ahh very very nice

[honest stag]

oh and it adds some things like half life triggers or entities that dusk supports

i think?

stuff like func_breakable

[crimson patrol]

How does sinners trial have rotating cupboard doors

[honest stag]

the dusk cupboard prop has them by default

if that's what you're seeing

[crimson patrol]

Ohhh

[tiny grotto]

Inb4 I make a dusk mod that replaces duskdude's voices with og kleiner

[crimson patrol]

I was playing it yesterday and found some cupboards with that

[honest stag]

but func_door_rotating IS a thing

it's just hard to use in TB

[crimson patrol]

Is it fine to use in hammer

[honest stag]

yea

[crimson patrol]

Or anything not trenchbroom

[honest stag]

as long as it puts out a proper .bsp for it yeah

just not source .bsp

yet

[crimson patrol]

Alright

[honest stag]

wow it's pretty cool to look at the quake maps in-editor

could slap dusk textures everywhere and call it a day

[tiny grotto]

Fuck I've been called out

[honest stag]

oh btw

[tiny grotto]

Also, how do I get the textures to show up lmao

[honest stag]

you dont have to go around replacing every entity

they are automatically replaced by dusk stuff

not all dusk entities are used obviously and you can add your own things

oh you click on "face" in the top right

then at the bottom, on the "texture collections" line, click "show"

then click the +

and add the id1.wad

or just drag it into the texture collections window

[tiny grotto]

Ayyyy @ancient depot being just a godsend as always

Oh hey! You're Unity Support Rep xp I didn't recognise you from the name

HOW HAVE YOU BEEN WE HAVEN'T TALKED IN FOREVER

[honest stag]

btw here's the list of what quake stuff relates to dusk stuff https://dev.newblood.games/index.php/Quake_entities_in_dusk

[tiny grotto]

Palette is not initialized

[tiny grotto]

Super duper helpful

[honest stag]

do you have quake? or a quake .pak file?

[tiny grotto]

I do have quake, nicely set up with Spiked

[honest stag]

so did you use the quake game preset? and does trenchbroom recognize the quake folder?

[tiny grotto]

I chose my game as quake, I chose the map type as standard, and in preferences I have the game path set to spiked

[honest stag]

does the spiked folder have a quake .pak file in it?