dusk-modding

[muted glacier]

Let me tell you lads. 900 textures is a lot to rename (have to fit the 15 character limit to avoid truncation). What the fuck was I thinking?

[opaque moat]

are you on windows?

if so theres a batch rename utility in microsoft powertoys and a software called "bulk rename utility" which is more in-depth

[muted glacier]

I'm on windows yes, but I had to rename Minecraft's textures so that I'm still able to identify them, but also for them to fit the character limit. I finished last night after a 3-hour slog. I'll be uploading the texture wad here at some point. I need to fix transparency on water and glass textures.

[split sapphire]

Is the Full SDK ever coming out?

[molten socket]

maybe

[honest stag]

I dont see why it wouldn't

[opaque moat]

-6.0db feels like a comfortable volume for ambient music

[torn agate]

I can't find much formal documentation going over the full capabilities of DUSK modding, does it currently consist of adding new maps, textures, or sounds? I was hoping to make a minor gameplay change, but I don't know if it's feasible.

[ancient depot]

In the current build it is maps, textures, sounds, some models. Scripting support is coming in a large update that has been in the works for a while. Currently you can technically do minor gameplay mods using more traditional Unity game modding methods like BepInEx, MelonLoader, etc, but we don't provide any support for that (so a mod that does that could break at any time) and there isn't a way to ship a mod like that on the workshop

[torn agate]

Okay, thank you.

Unrelated note, is the furry ban based on some incident in the past, or was it a pre-emptive thing? Kind of stood out amongst the other discord rules, if I'm going to be honest.

[ancient depot]

It's been so long I genuinely have no idea lmao

That rule probably dates back to like 2016

[molten socket]

I was meaning to ask about using ambient_generic

when I use a trigger to activate for example an ambient sound it doesnt play it

even if the sound is in a correct folder etc

[ancient depot]

Can you give an example of where the sound was placed, and how the entity was set up?

[molten socket]

okay, hold on please

can I DM you?

[ancient depot]

Sure

[molten socket]

Aight

[muted glacier]

How would that work? Would that be like a .dll file you have to manually put in the game files? Or would it still go in the modding folder?

[ancient depot]

The former

[muted glacier]

Oof. Doesn't sound worth it for the time being. 🤮 I can wait for functionality to be added

[opaque moat]

god i wish you could resize grouped brushes from outside the group in trenchbroom

[muted glacier]

weird question. do I not need sky brushes anymore? i have my world spawn Key "sky_back" and the Value "textures/sky_texturename_bk.png" and the skybox is in game without me placing any brushes down??

nevermind. im dumb. the map wasnt sealing

[muted glacier]

can you make a door not make a door opening noise when opened by a trigger?

[ancient depot]

Set its sound to an empty value (different from it not having a sound at all)

[opaque moat]

where do i put the pak that comes with the fgd? i just noticed in the log its saying it couldnt load files from directories within it

[honest stag]

are you using the quake preset when making a map or generic

[opaque moat]

quake

[honest stag]

alright, then go into whatever folder you have set up here

make a folder inside of it named id1

and put the .pak into it

then restart tb

[opaque moat]

works, thanks

[opaque moat]

green really fits that shape

[molten socket]

why are the textures so cooked, do you have -notex disabled?

[muted glacier]

I'm not sure I know what you mean. This was compiled with textures, yes. If you're talking about the mountain face, I haven't finished texturing it yet.

[molten socket]

i see

this is offtopic, but would it be possible to make pistons that move up and down

[west wasp]

why does that looks like another giant robot leg

[molten socket]

it reminds me of the stargate

[west wasp]

dunno that

[muted glacier]

Eh, you could get them to move once. As far as I'm aware, we're not able to achieve anything that has looping movement because we don't have func_vehicle/func_train.
Like if you make a door target another door when triggered, and the triggered door targets the original door, the game just crashes.

[ancient depot]

In the current build WAD textures should be given higher priority than embedded ones, iirc

so -notex is mostly a size optimization

[muted glacier]

It's actually based on a building that used to appear in recurring nightmares I had as a kid. Here's the sketch that I based this off:

Basic AF lol.

[west wasp]

looks like that sword from Halo

[muted glacier]

You know what, I can see that 😂 just imagine it skyscraper sized, and made of concrete

[molten socket]

can someone help me to make light cones/rays

i tried using rendermode and renderamt but it doesnt really work

[honest stag]

Why doesn't it work

Wdym by that

[molten socket]

well technically yes it works, i can create an illusionary brush and make it transparent

but I cant seem to change its color

using rendercolor

or anything at all

[honest stag]

makre sure you take a close look at rendermode on valve's goldsrc dev wiki

in case your are missing something

https://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki/Func_illusionary

[wet marlin]

@hybrid summit, please keep all discussions in English.

[molten socket]

Okay Ill do that

[candid ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/duck-smiling-duck-duck-getting-tickled-gif-17747986920529036543

[tropic field]

how do i set up modding

i mean mpamaking

for duskj

[half dust]

Check the pins

[stone spoke]

Is there a way to get files for the Steam workshop maps?
I bought from another store.

[molten socket]

wdym files

the .map file?

[icy wind]

Are we able to save during modded runs?

Away from home and unable to verify it myself

[molten socket]

yeah, you can

[icy wind]

You can? I keep getting a message saying I can’t save in this mode. I’m not playing Endless mode.

[molten socket]

What exactly do you mean modded mode

Custom levels? Or heavily modded dusk

[icy wind]

I have one mod installed from the Workshop (Mynx voice replacement). I’d like to play through Dusk with that mod and still be allowed to save my progress.

[icy wind]

Anyone have any guidance for this issue?

[nimble prawn]

yooo that's mine

glad you enjoy it

[nimble prawn]

btw what is the current status of the SDK? is the realmsdeep update still the most recent? steamdb says there was an update 9 days ago but I doubt it was the SDK

[molten socket]

Well its not fully out yet

The last update was something about a lot of HD objects/props

I think..

For example for trenchbroom there is still a lot of unavailable content

I dont know about other programs like JACK etc..

[nimble prawn]

okay I could have just taken a look at steam announcements for dusk

last update was feb 26th

[honest stag]

Theyre working on it

Its not abandoned or anything

[icy wind]

Hooray 8)

[molten socket]

is there a way to fix the bug where water moves if a door is triggered inside of it

[blissful lion]

maybe you need a dont link spawnflag

on the door or the water

idk cus i havent made a map in 2 tears

[half dust]

I just checked mine and I have Don't Link enabled

[honest stag]

This is correct yeah

[gusty sierra]

does anyone know why i dont have "textures collection" button? (I set everything up as in the steam guide in pinned)

[molten socket]

its new UI

its called texture browser now, youre good

[gusty sierra]

ok, thanks

[primal venture]

I'd mod Dusk for 900 dollars.

[sly tundra]

ur name makes sense

[unique marten]

whats dusk modding

[bold orbit]

You mod DUSK.

[ancient monolith]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Video_game_modding

[gusty sierra]

are there any ways to make a daytime lightning on your map, or its necessary to fill the whole map with light entities?

[muted glacier]

"before you start, you need sky brushes - basically a block in the sky that works as a celling with a texture that has to start with sky as the texture name

to have that brush emit sunglight - have a light entity with a property _sun set to 1, and make it target any info_null entity
all the properties of your light entity will be what the sky brushes emit in the same direction as the sun is targeting the info_null
but if you want your map to have both sunlight and avoid awful pitch black shadows, you also need _sunlight2 as a property on worldspawn
the value of it will determine it's intensity (works the same as light intensity on normal lights), and _sunlight2_color does exactly what you think it does, changes the color of this ambient light
illustration of how sky brushes emit sunlight"

[gusty sierra]

thank you

[molten socket]

what did david mean by this

[gusty sierra]

💀

[unique marten]

whats dusk?

[molten socket]

darker stage of twilight

[unique marten]

ok

[molten socket]

basically sunsetting

[thorn oasis]

are there any already dead corpse entities? cant tell if im just blind, or if they dont exist

also, is there a way to place a sprite that rotates to follow the player, but only along the horizontal axis? like from doom

[thorn oasis]

sorry to bump this ancient message, but i finally picked this project back up lol

anyway, is there some limitations or expectations with how a .wav file should be? quality, stereo vs mono, etc. i've got the sound key set to sounds/DSSECRET.wav, but it's still just playing the typical vanilla sound effect

same question for the doors, but i'd imagine its the same answer

[ancient depot]

Shouldn't be any limitations

[thorn oasis]

and i've got the path format correct, right? don't need a leading slash or anything?

[ancient depot]

sounds/ is technically optional, the game will already check sound/ and sounds/, and the file extension should also be optional

The only other thing I can think of is that it's case-sensitive

If your file name is not exactly DSSECRET.wav, it won't be found

[thorn oasis]

nah, i've got the capitalization right

[ancient depot]

oh...

I see the problem

yes this is a bug lol

[thorn oasis]

lmaooo

so NOT a me issue

[ancient depot]

nope

Will fix that

[thorn oasis]

swag ty

so just making sure it'll start working once the fix is out, it's just any ol wav file in the sounds directory of my mod?

[ancient depot]

Correct

I can make a quick hotfix dll so you can test it locally as well

[thorn oasis]

oh sick that sounds great

[ancient depot]

could you send me SDK/bin/win_x64/DUSK_Data/Managed/NewBlood.dll?

I currently have a dev version installed and don't wanna go and reset it to get the release version to patch lol

[thorn oasis]

i dont have file perms, should i just dm you?

[ancient depot]

yup

[thorn oasis]

lol fair

[ancient depot]

@thorn oasis This should work

[thorn oasis]

hmm. now its just not playing any sound at all. but only on the secret. the door is still just playing the regular sound

[ancient depot]

oh I only changed trigger_secret

[thorn oasis]

ah that makes sense

[ancient depot]

for doors it should be noise1

[thorn oasis]

the key name?

[ancient depot]

yeah

inconsistency inherited from quake/goldsrc

[thorn oasis]

gotta love it

okay yeah for the door too, it's not playing the vanilla sound anymore, but its just silent

[ancient depot]

odd. What if you use a .flac or .ogg instead?

[thorn oasis]

i'll try that

still silent with ogg, i'll try flac

[ancient depot]

and the sounds folder is all lowercase, and the casing of the file name matches exactly? That's so strange

Does it work if you try one of the sounds that exist in the base game?

[thorn oasis]

uhh lets see

still nothin

oh lol did you give me perms

[ancient depot]

nope, you just got the first member role (happens automatically)

[thorn oasis]

as an silent nothing

lol, figured id have talked enough for that sooner or later

[ancient depot]

what if you just do altar_recharge

[thorn oasis]

still silent

i'll try verifying my files? there's been some drive bullshit that's gone on with my pc. but idk

[ancient depot]

What if you make a sound folder instead of sounds, and then put your custom sound in there

and then use just the sound name

if that works, I think I might know what it is

[thorn oasis]

nope

renamed the folder to sound, both wav and ogg dont work

[ancient depot]

Ok in that case can you send me a sample mod?

I'll have to debug it locally

[thorn oasis]

yeah yeah

[thorn oasis]

do you remember what you did to fix this?

remaking the secret isn't helping for me

[thorn oasis]

for anybody searching this channel later, the issue with my door sounds was the folder being titled sound OR sounds. renamed it to snd (but presumably anything else would work) and now its all good

[thorn oasis]

is there a way to change what items an enemy drops? i feel like i saw something about that before, but i cant find it now

[honest stag]

Not that i know of

i guess you can teleport items in but they will be in preset spawn positions

[thorn oasis]

damn, wanted soldiers to drop shotguns lol

oh well i can just put one on the ground

[honest stag]

Lemme go take a look at the solution for this real quick

[thorn oasis]

it goes away when i delete a nearby door, but the door is the secret lol

[honest stag]

not sure what you mean

are you using a trigger_secret?

[thorn oasis]

i mean like in a level design context, the door hides the secret. and deleting the door makes the secret trigger not-solid like it should be. but obviously i cant just expose the secret lol

[honest stag]

try putting a "dont link" spawnflag on your secret

secret door*

[thorn oasis]

still broken

enemies can walk through it fine, and i can shoot through it too

and even though it stretches floor to ceiling, i can crouch under it. if i stand up inside it, it activates and goes away

[thorn oasis]

also, my mages aren't spawning where i put them?

oh they probably dont wanna spawn on top of a door, do they

oh yeah thats it lol

[thorn oasis]

anyway after nearly a year of procrastinating barely a day's worth of work, here's E1M1

if i cant figure out how to fix that secret being solid i'll probably just have to delete it unfortunately

but who cares

anyway i'll upload it to the workshop tomorrow

[honest stag]

I'll be able to take a look at your .map file for that secret in a day or so

[molten socket]

Oh my god thank you so much

Ive been looking for ages to figure out how to change door sounds

[molten socket]

Are you going to remake all of the levels? This looks amazing

[thorn oasis]

mayyyybe but probably not. I only did this cus I made a HLDM port to use as a base

then again, things should go faster now that I've actually done it once

[thorn oasis]

if i assign the secret trigger a clip texture, it's not solid. but then it doesnt trigger at all, rendering it kinda pointless lol

tried giving it a water texture, but that's still solid

honestly if i could just trigger a secret with a trigger_once that would work. could be other uses for trigger-able secrets too

[thorn oasis]

yall think this is better than not having the sprites at all?

idk i dont like it but figured i'd get feedback

just two func walls

[frigid sluice]

I think it looks good

[thorn oasis]

my mod's description isn't showing up in game, but im not sure what i've got wrong here

[thorn oasis]

oh the content field actualy has a list of tags, its not just another text box

[thorn oasis]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3331813894

https://tenor.com/bSwXn.gif

[honest stag]

@thorn oasis If you want, i can try and take a look at your secret soon here. You can dm me your .map file where you were having issues

[half dust]

Never did

[thorn oasis]

OH SO THIS WASNT A ME ISSUE

[thorn oasis]

actually, doesn't look like it's fixed? pretty sure im on the latest patch, game files are verified and all that

and speaking of the patch notes, custom secret sound effects don't seem to be working either? noise1, sound, and sounds, none of em do anything

hell, the current patch is a regression lol. the previous version would at least mute the vanilla sound effect when i put a value in sound. so i could just trigger a far off door to make the sound

[ancient depot]

That doesn't seem right, I tested it before release and it seemed to work. God this shit is cursed lol

[ancient depot]

can you compare that to the same map loaded into a quake source port?

[thorn oasis]

im compiling for half life, which now that i say it could be the root of all my problems. there it's a pixel line that's probably a different bug in goldsrc. oddly enough it doesn't happen in the software renderer

left is opengl right is software

[ancient depot]

The left is a pretty common precision issue in OpenGL

[thorn oasis]

yeah ive seen it lots of places

[ancient depot]

As long as what you see in dusk matches what you see in quake/goldsrc though, then it's likely a precision issue in the map compiling tools

but if dusk produces an offset texture compared to them, it's a bug in dusk

[thorn oasis]

yeah, its a whole texture pixel in dusk

not the open gl thing

[ancient depot]

the UV generation is very sensitive to floating point precision fuckery so it could be related to that

I could've sworn I fixed it though

maybe something about this setup exposes another place it can occur

[thorn oasis]

no clue

I'm just using the standard zhlt compiler

[ancient depot]

UV generation within dusk, I should clarify

[thorn oasis]

ah

[ancient depot]

BSPs don't store regular UVs in the model data, so you have to compute them yourself from planar coordinates

It's a nightmare for lightmap UVs especially, even some Quake ports don't handle it properly

[thorn oasis]

oh now why the fuck are you like that

i was gonna say "oh its not some wildly large number, shouldnt be floating point bullshit"

wait thats x, not y

shouldnt be the issue in that case but who knows

yeah still happens even with that 0ed out

[ancient depot]

for example, a dusk custom map loaded into darkplaces:

same map, loaded into quakespasm

it also looks correct in dusk, but didn't originally, because it didn't do the math with a higher level of precision

[ancient depot]

The actual location of the geometry in the world has more impact here, because of how texture coordinates work in the final BSP

So the further the level is from 0,0,0, the higher the chances of UV issues

[thorn oasis]

oh i ran this thing through an automatic doom > goldsrc conversion, the bsp is all sorts of fucked up

[ancient depot]

It being off by 1 specifically is suspicious though

[thorn oasis]

but it's centered on 0,0 so idk

[ancient depot]

Is that the only spot where it's off by 1?

Or is every texture off by 1

[thorn oasis]

other textures probably, i'd have to take a closer look

[ancient depot]

The bug that was fixed originally was every texture

[thorn oasis]

but there were a few that were also off

i only noticed on those ones because goldsrc requires textures to be a power of 16, when doom didnt, so i added some magenta pixels to certain textures

[ancient depot]

dusk can technically handle NPOT textures if you can convince tools to make WADs/BSPs that contain them

it's not a very well-tested scenario though because most tools don't like that

[thorn oasis]

yeah still an issue here too

for this spot i just lowered the ceiling by one and a half units

because all the textures are up by 1.5x

[ancient depot]

interesting, can you DM me the affected map? In both bsp and map format, ideally

[thorn oasis]

since thats the map scale

actually that could also be the issue

1.5x scaling on the textures

[ancient depot]

if it's only off by 1 in dusk then there's some kind of bug in dusk either way

[thorn oasis]

yeah, just thinkin out loud what i've done so you know where to look

[ancient depot]

currently testing another potential fix for the sound issue too

that one is so weird

@thorn oasis see if this fixes the sounds

praying rn 🙏

[thorn oasis]

lets fucking go

it works

[ancient depot]

hell yeah

[thorn oasis]

UHHHH

im not complaining, but one of these things is not like the other LMAO

[honest stag]

Good to have someone else makin levels for a change lol

[thorn oasis]

oh i cant level design for shit lol, my next plans were to backport modern cs maps to goldsrc for the HLDM server im gonna try and spin up

but now that i think about it... cs maps in endless...

[modest bridge]

That was literally my first thought when DUSK synchronized with my GoldSrc maps. All you need is add a skybox, music and enemy spawners. That would have been awesome

[toxic cosmos]

not really a mod related question but does anyone know where in the files I can find the images used on the level select screens for each episode? I think they're real neat and wanna see them without all the level graphics

[ionic stream]

Coming back to update some bits on my level and saw in the patch notes that the light shaft on the lamp posts is fixed, but it's super off center in-game :/ I can't attach any pictures cos I don't have a rank role yet lol. Has anyone else had the same issue?

[ancient depot]

Can you DM me a screenshot?

[ionic stream]

yea ok

[ancient depot]

ok... it looks like the update wasn't actually set live somehow... we'll fix that lol

this explains a LOT

[gusty sierra]

lol

[ancient depot]

env_fog

Properties

• startdist: The starting distance of linear fog, in map units.
• enddist: The stopping distance of linear fog, in map units.
• density: The density of exponential fog. Set this to zero to use linear fog.
• rendercolor: The color of the fog.
• fogStartDistance: Alias for startdist.
• fogStopDistance: Alias for enddist.
• iuser1: Alias for startdist. Causes the env_fog entity to mimic SvenCoop behavior.
• iuser3: Alias for enddist. Causes the env_fog entity to mimic SvenCoop behavior.

Spawn Flags

• 1: When in SvenCoop mode, will cause fog to be disabled at map start.

Behavior

Triggering this entity will toggle fog on and off. Using different env_fog entities will not cause the fog settings to change when they are triggered. If you wish to have multiple fog configurations, place a single env_fog in your map (for toggling fog on and off) alongside several trigger_fog entities (for changing fog settings).

trigger_fog

Properties

• startdist: The starting distance of linear fog, in map units.
• enddist: The stopping distance of linear fog, in map units.
• density: The density of exponential fog. Set this to zero to use linear fog.
• rendercolor: The color of the fog.

Behavior

Triggering this entity will change the map's current fog settings to those defined by the trigger. Fog will not be enabled or disabled when triggering this entity, use an env_fog entity to control the active state of fog.

Fog entity docs

[ionic stream]

hell yeaaa

[daring star]

waht happend to the dusk?

[half dust]

Allot of props still don't have collision.

[ancient depot]

Yeah that's not fixed by this patch

It's an annoying problem (thanks ProBuilder)

[half dust]

Okay, I'll keep holding on. Hope you can get it sorted.

[thorn oasis]

500mb patch with no notes?

whats this

[ancient depot]

The actual update

Turns out we didn't actually ship the update properly and that's why stuff wasn't actually working

The off by one pixel fix should be there now too

[thorn oasis]

lmaooo

[thorn oasis]

oh well that's not good

on the new patch, all of my secrets are completely solid

instead of just the one being half solid and i can kinda phase through it if i try hard enough

aaand then while i was gettin footage of that, i got another bug with the nuke pool continuing to damage me even when i left???

that one was probably just me entering and exiting it within a tick or some bullshit like that

and if you notice on the kill screen, despite the text and sound effect, the secrets werent technically triggering

[ancient depot]

Secrets being solid is weird because none of that code changed at all lol

I think there is some kind of evil spirit haunting your map tbh

[thorn oasis]

this is why i hate computers

[thorn oasis]

the evil spirit is apparently named gordon freeman

i knewwww compiling for half life was gonna bite me in the ass at some point, but its gonna be annoying to move to quake compilation

[gusty sierra]

maybe its a dumb question, but what should i do to access the SDK update? i currently dont have env_fog in my entity browser

[ionic stream]

drag in any entity from the browser and replace the classname with 'env_fog', then just add in the new properties you need for it

[honest stag]

You wont have it and have to add it yourself - the fgd hasnt been updated for it

[honest stag]

just do that

[gusty sierra]

thanks

[normal otter]

Alrighty fellas, heard a new update was out for the SDK. Ive been meaning to make a mod/map pack for the game but i could never find a good guide on how to make it. Im pretty alright with using Hammer? Should i just make them there and port them over to Dusk or should i use something actually good?

i really cannot find any guides... the one that i did was outdated and just let me to the server

[vapid sierra]

@honest stag ok idk if you know but your map for the flesh castle has some clipping issues

here are they
you can easily walk off the map which i doubt was intended

[honest stag]

Yea thatll be patched later

[half dust]

It's the same in my map

And I use Quake compiler

[ionic stream]

did you use the outdated one on the steam guides? when i setup trenchbroom last year I used that along with videos from dumptruck_ds and managed to get it working

[normal otter]

I tried doing the same thing but i swear it didnt work, half the stuff wasnt there

is there any

up-to-date guide?

[ionic stream]

i don't think so, give me a dm and I can try help you out

[thorn oasis]

oh thank god so its not just me

before the most recent patch, only G was broken. but now the H and J secrets are solid too. IF i comple for half life

if i compile for quake, then G goes back to being the only broken one. but then i would need to redo all of the lighting, and a few faces are invisible for some reason. so i'd need to figure that out too

honestly, since it's happening in quake compilation too, it might be easier to just make it so we can trigger secrets remotely with a trigger_once

like yeah thats not the best way to fix it, but we all know how computers are. this seems like a really annoying bug to fix

[normal otter]

you got it boss

[steel vale]

is there a new guide to dusk map making because the steam page is outdated

[blissful lion]

its not actually outdated, is it?

it says so but everything should work

[gusty sierra]

The only thing that is outdated is link for compiling GUI, but you can just download it from github

[honest stag]

yea everything in that guide works just fine

[hasty marlin]

hi, could someone help me real quick? my game is in chinese (i think) for some reason and i can't figure out where I change the language settings

[gritty forge]

close dusk
go to Dusk\config
delete dusk.ini
open dusk

[half dust]

One of my secrets that was not previously solid has now become solid

In fact the only time I can pass through any secret trigger now is if I go from underneath

Or if I teleport inside it

[ancient depot]

Can you send me a map to test with?

Secrets turning solid is really weird, I wonder if the game is throwing an exception while marking them as triggers or something

[muted glacier]

Hallelujah! The "off by one pixel" bug is fixed!!!!

[ancient depot]

cc @half dust and @thorn oasis
There is now a public sdk_testing branch, it has a new build on it that should fix the solid triggers issue

[thorn oasis]

ohhh fuck yes ty

[toxic cosmos]

found the pictures - in the files they are named: e[episode number]_map.png

[rough atlas]

YAYY

[glossy dock]

nahhh

[muted glacier]

@thorn oasis so, since youre working on DOOM maps, I have something that may be helpful. A couple years ago, someone (I want to say @vast palm ) gave me files for the dooms maps that were converted straight from the doom wads. I have the map files for all of episode one, and I also have versions that are already textured. 3-4 of the levels have broken floor geometry in some places that I never bothered to fix, and the maps that feature said broken geometry are named (broken).

[thorn oasis]

oooh

i can already spit out .maps in like two seconds with the tool i have (sectorcut) but i've been meaning to put together a complete wad

instead of just the textures in e1m1

[muted glacier]

now, none of these maps feature enemies, buttons, triggers, secret triggers or items. but theyre fully textured for the most part ( and I included untextured maps incase someone wanted to duskify them)

I included the wad in the zip file. Im assuming its all of the textures, but havent checked. I have so much shit on my hard drive that I never got around to, so i figured someone here could use it.

[thorn oasis]

honestly i need to figure out how to code, so i can at least get it to automatically place dummy entities around the map in the right spots

[muted glacier]

Just checked the doom wad. pretty sure, not only does it have Doom 1 textures, Im pretty sure it has doom 2 and maybe wolfenstein textures? The Icon of Sin and a Swastika texture are in there, but I dont remember hate symbols in doom (Unless theres a wolfenstein secret I dont know about)

[thorn oasis]

oh yeah, doom 2's two secret maps are wolf3d levels

[muted glacier]

okay that makes sense then. I may have to convert the textures, because I dont think they have any transparency where they're supposed to. There are a couple grates from E1M2 or 3 that are just black where youre supposed to be able to see through.

[thorn oasis]

yup, my wad i was working on replaced any transparent texture with one telling you to check the wad

since transparent textures need to have a { at the start

so an automatic conversion won't do that

[muted glacier]

yeah I encountered similar issues when converting Minecrafts textures. on top of that, I had to manually go through and rename all 900 textures so that they fit within the 16 character limit and appeared properly in TB. it was excruciating.

[thorn oasis]

ooooh a minecraft wad? i saw someone a while ago who made an automatic minecraft > goldsrc converter, but i'd need to dig that back up... (or was that you LOL)

[muted glacier]

that was not me, Im still in the early stages. just finished the textures

the transparency on this tree makes me fucking sick.

[thorn oasis]

found it https://notnite.com/blog/minecraft-to-goldsrc

https://github.com/NotNite/ketaminekeep

been wanting to dig through here and see if i can brute force my way into making it work, since it's self described as "not ready for use"

[muted glacier]

thats so cool. Only 1 comment on it, not alot of exposure. some of the stuff people do in their spare time is criminally underrated

[ancient depot]

lmao that's awesome

[nova shadow]

E

[gusty sierra]

are there any ways of making the sky brush invisible or something like it? cuz this looks ugly

[alpine depot]

i believe the skybox brush is broken; it should be invisible like a real skybox brush but it doesnt do that currently

so all maps boxed in with skyboxes have pitch black skies as a result for now

[gusty sierra]

but what about for example City Lockdown? it clearly has light and shadows without any black sky brushes

[alpine depot]

uhhhh, hm, idk then?

lol sorry

[honest stag]

seal your map

that's one

i think the texture has to start with "sky" as well

but sealing the map is important

@gusty sierra

[molten socket]

You only put 1 skybox brush above, you need to create a literal box out of 1 brush

Then go to map settings and set each individual skybox property (top, bottom, left, right...) so it matches the texture in the texture folder

Note that in TB the left and right skybox keys are inverted

[eternal spear]

that's still not fixed?

[molten socket]

:"")

[ancient depot]

They're not inverted

It's the actual files in the game that are named wrong

I'm waiting to fix that in the larger SDK update where it's safer to break more stuff, because if I fix it now then everyone's existing maps will have broken skies lol

[gusty sierra]

i set everything up as you said but it still doesn't seem to work

[honest stag]

there is likely a leak somewhere

send me the .map file

@gusty sierra

[gusty sierra]

.

[honest stag]

gimme a minute here

try getting this .wad and replace the sky tex with this one

so it looks like such

[ionic stream]

^^ Yea that's how I had my skybox set up in city lockdown (before I changed it recently) @gusty sierra

[gusty sierra]

that worked! thank you

[runic condor]

I need help with ultrakill

I'm so ass

[muted glacier]

Well, I would start by checking in the ultrakill channel 😂

[muted glacier]

@honest stag I just played the Fallen Deuces level....holy shit. That has to be one of, if not the coolest levels I've ever played. Fantastic, clean brush work.

[honest stag]

thanks brotha

did you play the campaign map or the endless map

[muted glacier]

Campaign. I didn't have time to start an endless game earlier when I played

[muted glacier]

Bro I need to stop making these masochistic ass projects and not finishing them. Someone hold me accountable. I WILL release this map.

[honest stag]

gonna need to see at least 1 more level uploaded to the workshop before i get old

[molten socket]

its slowly coming together.. just 2 more maps

[eternal spear]

i keep opening trenchbroom for 30 minutes to work on a neat idea before realising i can't really execute it that well and scrapping everything

one day i will actually release a map

[ancient depot]

consider: make good map get hired get access to new blood games early
the pipeline

[honest stag]

^

can confirm from personal experience

[thorn oasis]

finally got around to pushing the update to my doom map lol

you might need to unsubscribe and resubscribe to get it to redownload the file

[honest stag]

i think it updates workshop content automatically

but dont quote me on it

[thorn oasis]

didnt seem to for me, but also computers just seem to hate me for no reason

[ancient depot]

I don't think I implemented workshop updates into the game itself, so you have to rely on the steam client doing it while the game is closed

(it won't do it while the game is open because it doesn't know if the game is using the files or not, hence why games need to implement support for that cooperatively)

[muted glacier]

@ancient depot dumb question,but I haven't seen it talked about in a long time and my PC was out of commission all of 2023 basically. Do we have any updates on particles (rain, snow, fog,etc) or func_train?

[ancient depot]

fog is in the latest update, nothing to report on the other stuff currently

custom particles are a thing in the bigger update (particles have been exported to an external format you can fully customize)

[muted glacier]

Thanks for the update. I just read about the fog. That's exciting. Can't wait to be at the point where I implement it.

[muted glacier]

Ȅ̶͑t̴̏̎e̴͚͂r̶̈́͝ǹ̵̑ȧ̷́l̸͂ Malice

[muted glacier]

Oh God. I need to be up in 5 hours for work, but im up making shit like this instead.

[ionic stream]

relatable 😫

[balmy vigil]

This is kindof an out of the blue question, (and I basically never talk here but hi) but im curious how similar trenchboom and hammer editor are. Im familiar with the latter and am curious to try mapmaking for Dusk

[quaint heath]

I haven't spent a lot of time mapping, but they both stem from the same "family" of tools, namely quake/ID engine map editors.

by this I mean - HL1's GoldSRC was a heavily modified quake engine, Half Life 2's source built a lot more on top of that but still has some similar quirks

Trenchbroom will likely do its map logic with different entities and more limitations compared to what you can get in HL2's Hammer

[ancient depot]

Ultimately though, as long as you can produce a compatible BSP, you can use any mapping tool you want for DUSK

[balmy vigil]

Oh dope

[balmy vigil]

And thanks, yeah makes sense

[muted glacier]

Kind of pertaining to this, is it possible to backwards engineer a bsp file and like, decompile it back into a .map file? I found an old bsp on my computer, but no longer have the map file to edit or do anything with it in TB.

[honest stag]

i definetly used a tool of that sort before

but i remember it was not perfect results

[ancient depot]

It depends on the format of the BSP file

With Quake 1 BSP, Half-Life BSP and BSP2 it is impossible to recover the original brushwork

(Unless the map was compiled with brushlist)

You can at best get an approximation of the brushwork but it's very unreliable and usually low quality

Pretty much all other BSP formats store the original brushes so you can almost reconstruct the whole thing, just usually light entities are removed after compilation so you may lose those

[keen urchin]

how do I add dusk to trenchbroom

is there a guide to it

[ancient monolith]

discord pins

[half dust]

@ancient depot I no longer collide with the triggers but it doesn't count secrets anymore.

[quiet stump]

Hey, I'm having a weird problem. My doors aren't making any noise. They don't use custom sounds, they don't default to the dusk door sounds, they're just totally silent. I tried scouring this discord and google, and can't seem to find any explanation.

Other sounds (player grunts, gunshots) all seem to work fine.

Is there an extra step for applying door sounds?

[quiet stump]

wait never mind. I just needed to update the SDK.

[lean moss]

Does anyone have problems with the modio folder? Because when I put some mods and load up DUSK, they don't show up in the modding menu.

I feel like it might have something to do with the fact that the mods I'm putting in it are from years, but I doubt it would've had any issues since these are just either textures, sounds, or both.

[lean moss]

Also, sort of unrelated, but replacing any of the Scientist voice lines besides the death sound doesn't do anything because the original sound effect still plays.

[ancient depot]

Some sounds can't be replaced in the current build

[ancient depot]

I might have to investigate this one after PAX, but I'll see if I can try to squeeze it in before I fly to Melbourne

[ancient depot]

the modio folder isn't implemented, you want to put mods in local

modio is intended for when we have native integration with mod.io in the game, and mods downloaded through the game go in there

[lean moss]

Damn.

[gusty sierra]

how to make a rotating door work?

[lean moss]

It seems to be just an issue with the SDK. It might get patched the next time it updates.

(Late response)

I don't think your mods are causing this issue.

[muted glacier]

If I remember correctly, make a brush that is a func_rotating door func_door_rotating, make a 1x1 brush textured with a texture called origin, and place that where you want the door to hinge. Group them and change the properties of the door to what you want (speed, being speed of door; angle,being the direction the door opens, etc). That should work, but it's been forever since I messed with rotating doors.

[ancient depot]

That is correct

Though the entity is specifically func_door_rotating

[gritty forge]

quick question does the sdk work on linux or do i need a windows machine

[ancient depot]

It should work under Proton

[gritty forge]

i was going to start learning it

[wet marlin]

@marble copper, please keep all discussions in English.

[amber cliff]

M

[molten socket]

For Jakob or all monsters? Cant wait for braz. boneball

[balmy vigil]

So I'm trying to figure out how to start mapping for Dusk. Got Trenchbroom downloaded but the info I found online seems to be an old outdated reddit post https://www.reddit.com/r/Dusk_The_Game/comments/f33t7u/how_to_make_maps_for_dusk/

is there an up-to-date one I'm just not finding?

Main thing is that Dusk.wad page doesnt seem to exist anymore

[eternal spear]

the guide thats pinned in this channel is still only minimally outdated and should work perfectly fine to get you started
#dusk-modding message

[balmy vigil]

I kinda forget pinned messages are a thing on Discord. I find the gui for this platform incredibly overwhelming at times so thank you ^^

[ionic stream]

so I've seen that ambient_generic is supported, but could anyone give me a quick rundown on how to get it working? not sure if I'm using the wrong properties on the entity, or if I'm triggering it wrong lol.
currently I've got a 'sounds' key, with the value being 'sounds/ambient/sewer.flac' & and a trigger that's linked to the entity :/

[tired grove]

Im looking for some infos related the latest Sdk, seem that some old levels downloaded in the past are broken in some ways? (Secrets zones with impassible collision, invisible ladders, broken events.) A lot of the levels on steam workshop seem to have suffered the same fate as well.. So id like to know if there is a way to fix those weirdness or a way to downgrade the Sdk so it work like it used to before?

[ancient depot]

Ladders being invisible is a problem with the maps themselves, technically speaking, they need to be updated to use separate visual and collision brushes
The secret trigger issue is a bug that's fixed on the public testing branch, will be in the next patch but you can use the branch for now if you want
Can you elaborate on what you mean by broken events?

[ancient depot]

The sound file name goes in the message key

Not the first person to have that issue, is there documentation somewhere that suggested using a "sounds" key?

[molten socket]

Hello are there any better instructions for env_fog? So far it only creates a powerful "light" and not a fog I don't know how to use it...

[ancient depot]

@molten socket

[ionic stream]

I came across a page yesterday saying to use a 'sound' key, so I just assumed it was 'sounds' as that was coming up when I typed it in on trenchbroom lol.

But I've literally just seen this one, saying to use message, so I assume it uses all/ most of these keys too? https://twhl.info/wiki/page/ambient_generic

[ancient depot]

Yup, the implementation is based on the GoldSrc one

Not all of those are supported but the intention is that it mirrors goldsrc

[ionic stream]

cool ok, thank you 👍

[quiet stump]

https://mod.io/g/dusk/m/blood-e1m1-cradle-to-grave

I remade the first level of Blood (1997) in Dusk.

It's my first Dusk map, so any feedback would be greatly appreciated.

I've also included the .map file, in case anyone wants to play with it.

You can also play the level on Steam. https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3350355216

[honest stag]

nice

[quiet stump]

Thanks 😊

[tired grove]

hooo, so how do I do that? Betas and sdk_testing? And yes some sequence that did not seem to activate... Also some trees and all trash cans that usually can be destroyed now you can just pass through..

[honest stag]

when you have a ladder, you need two brushes

one that visually represents your ladder and isnt a special brush in any way

and another invisible one that actually has the functionality of a ladder by being func_ladder

and yea try goin onto the sdk testing and seeing if some of that stuff works

[tired grove]

you should put that on the steam forum so peoples who upload their maps there know about it so they can update. haha

[honest stag]

that's how ladders work in half life

bunch of stuff in the sdk is half life functionality

[tired grove]

You honestly don't need to tell me that, I don't build maps.. XD

I just want the maps I download to be functional..

[honest stag]

ah, i misunderstood then

[tired grove]

Still: Demios — Today at 12:35 PM
you should put that on the steam forum so peoples who upload their maps there know about it so they can update. haha

[gritty forge]

any mods that make the game good?

[tired grove]

ok.. time to go science this new bleeding edge Sdk see if it fixes em secrets shenanigans!

Yay secrets can be entered now! ^^ That still havent fixed white pines and trash can collision/ not destructible though BUT one take what he can get.. ^^

[gusty sierra]

hmm, it doesn't seem like i have texture called "origin" in my texture browser (sorry, didn't have time to answer earlier)

[honest stag]

you dont need the origin texture

im like 99% sure of that

instead of a 1x1 brush you can use a point entity

like an info_null

and then give the func_door_rotating an "origin" property set to the coordinates of that info_null

[ancient depot]

if all else fails, you just need to get a .wad that has an origin texture in it

any goldsrc tool texture wad should work for that

[gusty sierra]

for some reason my trenchbroom doesn't want to load halflife.wad

[honest stag]

if you're usin the quake preset for your map then it wont load it

try converting it to the valve map format

[dawn granite]

modding dusk is hard

[gusty sierra]

i found out that my door is actually connected to a hinge and goes around it but...

[nimble prawn]

aight I'mma head out

[grand raft]

hey can you open the door for me?

[dark comet]

What... Did you just say

[crisp raven]

@honest stag Yo Vriska could you recommend some decent fog settings?

[honest stag]

if you have unity installed you can actually fiddle with them and see what kind of setting you want

and then just copypaste values into an .ent file so you dont have to recompile

zom outlined the conversion values, lemme check

found it

To match Unity fog setting values to env_fog values:
startdist = fog start distance * 32
enddist = fog end distance * 32
density = fog density / 32

you can find fog in unity by going into "Rendering" on top and then "Lighting" i think

[crisp raven]

I see thank you

[tight hedge]

wait.. there's fog now???

[honest stag]

Has been for like over a month

[rancid moss]

n

[desert ivy]

dwdWAD

[gray wasp]

I like my channels dead brah

[gritty forge]

What do I assign this to?

[honest stag]

doesnt matter, it's just where your finished .bsp gets put

however it never worked for me, i just use the working folder

[gritty forge]

Little test map that I made in jack hammer

[gritty forge]

Is there a way to make a proper skybox?

[gritty forge]

Figured it out

[gritty forge]

Hope this helps anyone wanting to map for dusk in jack hammer

I knew that was gonna happen lol

[honest stag]

there's a little jack miniguide in pins

[last talon]

lil' jack

[tropic steeple]

wrong chat srry

[gritty forge]

I'm struggling to put a skybox on my map rn.

I legit don't know what to put in here

[gritty forge]

Does anyone have a .map file that has a skybox so I can take a look at it?

With music too

I wanna see if I can open it in jack and see how the values are stored in the map properties

[gritty forge]

I love these lines when I compile the map

Made this lil house

[honest stag]

I dont get what you mean by skybox

There are two different interpretations

Either youre trying to visually change the skys texture or make a functional quake sky with sunlight brushes and whatnot

[gritty forge]

Visually change the sky texture

[honest stag]

@gritty forge

Refer here

Also

Basically every other map in dusk.mod.io includes a source .map

[gritty forge]

Oh thanks

[gritty forge]

How do I get the origin texture without the compiling going to shit?

I can't compile the map into a bsp regularly if I just use a HL wad with the origin texture

[ancient depot]

The only important thing is that the texture is called origin, so if HL wads are somehow an issue you could make a dummy Quake wad with an origin texture

[gritty forge]

I see

[gritty forge]

Tried making one with wally with no success

refusing to compile into a bsp

[ancient depot]

What kind of error are you getting?

[ancient depot]

You should probably avoid having files in OneDrive

It confuses a lot of software

Try moving it somewhere else, that might fix it

[gritty forge]

Well idk where else to put them because my entire desktop is on onedrive

[ancient depot]

Anywhere else on your computer that isn't

Even something like C:\DuskMapping

[gritty forge]

Lemme try that rq

Nope

still getting the same error

[ancient depot]

The exact same error, or is it referring to files in C:\DuskMapping now?

[gritty forge]

Same error

[ancient depot]

You might need to open your .map file in a text editor like notepad and update the WAD paths

It's probably pointing to the OneDrive folder instead of C:\DuskMapping

(Also make sure it's saving your BSP somewhere other than the OneDrive folder too)

[ancient depot]

No other errors before that?

[gritty forge]

Nope

wait actualy

[ancient depot]

Huh

Can you show me what the worldspawn entity in your .map file looks like?

[ancient depot]

Sorry I meant the raw file, like in notepad

[gritty forge]

I don't know how to open that

[ancient depot]

You can open it with notepad

i.e. open notepad and just drag your .map file in

[ancient depot]

Ok, I can think of two things to try here

1. Replace / with \ in the paths for wad there

2. Split wad into two wad entries, like this:

"wad" "C:/DuskMapping/Textures/dusk_transparent.wad"
"wad" "C:/DuskMapping/Textures/origintexture.wad"

[gritty forge]

Still getting the same errors

[ancient depot]

What about the earlier error about a bad path?

[gritty forge]

?

Sorry just a bit confused on what you mean

[ancient depot]

No problem, I mean the first screenshot here

[gritty forge]

Yeah still getting it

[ancient depot]

The problem seems to be that when the compiler is making your BSP file, it's opening WADs wrong, so it gives up

And then since there's no BSP file, it fails further down the chain

[gritty forge]

So what would be a good fix

[ancient depot]

These are supposed to fix it, but you said it didn't change the error

Which is odd

[gritty forge]

Everytime I compile the map the .map file seems to revert back

[ancient depot]

Maybe your editor is saving over it or something

A really hacky workaround would be to edit dusk_transparent.wad to add the origin texture there, so you only have one wad file

but that kinda sucks

[gritty forge]

I've actually tried that

[ancient depot]

It seems that the compiler you're using doesn't like having a single entry in the map for "wad"

Since it's treating the whole thing as one file, instead of a bunch of files separated by ;

[gritty forge]

But when I went the game the door still acted haywire

Let me try it one more time to make sure

Strange

I added the texture in but it's not showing up now

Both png and mip

Oh wait

I forgot I cloned the wad files

mb

[ancient depot]

Also you're compiling with ericw-tools, right?

[gritty forge]

Built-in J.A.C.K compiler

[ancient depot]

That's even weirder then, you'd think J.A.C.K. would produce a .map that the compiler it bundles can properly read...

Since J.A.C.K. is Hammer-inspired, it might have a built-in way to change the origin of a brush

Maybe you can use that

[gritty forge]

So assign a brush to be the origin of the door?

[ancient depot]

If that's how it works in JACK yeah

[gritty forge]

Idk how it works either lol

[ancient depot]

Might as well give it a shot then I guess lol

[gritty forge]

What is this lip option?

[ancient depot]

Lip is related to how far the door moves

It's basically "how much more or less distance do you want the door to move compared to how it normally would"

[gritty forge]

I'm going to try more attempts to get a door working tomorrow. For now I'll have the jmf and map file posted here for anyone who wants to go ahead and see if they can help me on trying to make a working door.

[gritty forge]

I'll probably come up with an alternative for now

Maybe like a explodable wall or something

[honest stag]

so what are you trying to do exactly?

a rotating door?

[gritty forge]

Yeah

Can't seem to get an origin texture working

[honest stag]

why not directly input the origin coordinate

into the origin key

isntead of having a brush there

[gritty forge]

Origin key?

[honest stag]

show the setup for your rotating door in full

including the properties

[gritty forge]

Flags

[honest stag]

and what about that brush you're using with the origin texture?

can you show that too

[gritty forge]

I've created and destroyed it so many times but usually it's over here

[honest stag]

okay here's what i want you to try

make some point entity, doesnt matter which - info_null for example

and put it exactly where your origin brush would be

then open the properties of it

[honest stag]

it should have an "origin" property, which is the coordinates of it, three numbers

is that right?

[gritty forge]

Should I add one?

[honest stag]

uhhh fuck idk how you get coordinates in jack

but you gotta know the coordinates of that specific point in the map

1 sec

ok cool you should see them there

copy them or write them down

[gritty forge]

X: -596
Y: -4
Z: 68

[honest stag]

ok cool, so now what i want you to do is to add an "origin" property to your func_door_rotating

and type those numbers in with spaces as the property

so just
origin -596 -4 68

mind you idk if any of this is gonna work

after you've done that save the map and try it
my expectation is that either it will work out of the box or the door will not be there anymore
and if it isnt we'll have to do another thing

[gritty forge]

For some reason when I add an origin property it doesn't show up but when I make it again it shows up as this

[honest stag]

i assume that means jack hides some properties?

is there any way you know of that shows all properties of an object?

[gritty forge]

Probably

[honest stag]

lemme see if i have jack installed

what version do you have?

the steam one?

[gritty forge]

Moddb one

https://www.moddb.com/games/half-life/downloads/jackhammer-111064-windows

[honest stag]

ok cool

lemme grab it rq

this makes me think it's hiding that property for a reason

im not familiar with how half life handles rotating doors so im tryin to do it the quake-to-dusk way

we'll see if it works

hm yeah i cant find a way to reveal all properties

[gritty forge]

What's the other solution you had in mind?

[honest stag]

there isnt one, this was the way to go but i had no idea jack has an origin property for brush entities

let alone a hidden one lol

that also makes sense since the info_null didnt show an origin property either

it's there it's just hidden

[gritty forge]

I see

[honest stag]

do you have trenchbroom installed by any chance?

you could try just going there for that one reason - to change the origin property, save the map and compile

but that's a bit too much hassle i imagine

[gritty forge]

Yeah that's what I was thinking

importing a working door from trenchbroom into jack

[honest stag]

well the thin is

in tb, the rotating door must be placed at 0,0,0

so dead center of the map

and then it gets transported to your origin when the map loads

[golden mantle]

Just played and finished dusk and opened this chat for the first time how do I play mods!!!

[honest stag]

there's a workshop

and you just select the moddable version in launch options

[topaz haven]

what if you played as v1 in dusk

[serene lodge]

i don’t know what would happen, depends on of v1 is worthy or not

[serene lodge]

looks peak

[ionic stream]

Holy shit that looks cool 👀

[honest stag]

torii as always mapping non stop

making good use of the fog i see

[desert crane]

yooooooo

[sharp trail]

FUcking Peak Torii once again

hire him

[last talon]

👌 the good stuff

[bold orbit]

Torii try not to cook challenge (impossible)

[ancient monolith]

why do the trees have no roots underground?

[ancient depot]

evil cult magic eliminated the need for roots

[fierce rapids]

i know this may sound silly but how do you actually delete things in trenchbroom?

[crisp raven]

Hit the delete key

Hopefully you have that on your keyboard :P

[fierce rapids]

ok thanks 🙂

[ancient monolith]

wouldnt that be like the first thing to try?

second thing would be checking the options menu where you can rebind controls

[fierce rapids]

i'm gonna be honest with you i didn't even know that the delete key existed

[last talon]

wot

what kind of keyboards are you guys running if you didnt know delete exists

....what the fuck do you normally use for deleting shit?

[ancient monolith]

select with mouse and backspace I assume

[last talon]

fair

or right click delete if it's files

[fierce rapids]

hey so like whats the legality of using textures from the internet? specifically these texture: https://www.quaddicted.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=1280

[ancient depot]

probably a grey area

we're not gonna take down any maps using them tho lol

[fierce rapids]

in the read me file it says that "ll credits belongs to authors of textures even content is free released by autors and/or creators". so is it ok if i just say that and maybe pin the website from wich i got the textures from ?

[ancient depot]

yeah just provide credit for the resources you use

[fierce rapids]

ok

[ancient monolith]

As long as you arent making money off it, nobody really cares

[teal fjord]

how do you add ambient music and trigger combat music?

[molten socket]

Depends on the level editor

If TB you add an info_null and change it to ambient_generic, then add a value called "message" and into that value you input your ambient sound (it has to have a .ogg or .flac added to it)

music is triggered by changing an info_null into a "trigger_changemusic" then you add a "music" value to it and do the same, .ogg or .mp3 or whatever file type

[tight hedge]

do we have particles for the SDK yet?

[ancient depot]

Next update

[teal fjord]

thanks, and change door sounds? like the metal one

[tight hedge]

o yea also

Ive been out of mapping since the workshop update

how abouts would I go about making my map steam worshop ready?

[honest stag]

you just need to have it setup as a mod for dusk

and then you use the workshop uploader

it tells u everythin u need in the uploader

[twilit depot]

e

[mystic terrace]

How do i get dusk hd on? i just bought dusk

[quaint heath]

This is for STEAM :

you'll see this appear when launching DUSK from the library

[quaint heath]

if, for some reason, this is being skipped, then find the Launch options :

( right click on DUSK )

[ancient monolith]

Dont you also need dusk hd dlc in your library? https://store.steampowered.com/app/2717300/DUSK_HD/

[quaint heath]

I keep forgetting it might not show up for some

[void wind]

is there the same thing but wit ultrakill cuz ngl i wanna mod ultrakill

[honest stag]

look one channel down

[gritty forge]

Not sure if this has been answered before but is there a way to edit the maps already in the game? I'd be cool to mess around with and to see how they work.

[ancient depot]

Not at this time

In the next update you will be able to edit them to an extent

[blissful lion]

dusk ported to quake???!!!

[muted glacier]

I've bounced that idea around before. Using screenshots and videos, I've made the first level before, but at the time, I didn't know what I was doing in trenchbroom, so its been left abandoned at the bottom of one of my hard drives.

[dusk zenith]

quask

[gritty forge]

The symbols Mason, what do they mean?

nvm I figured it out

[honest stag]

everyone eventually does

one guy whom i watched play never did and just bruteforced it

which is valid but like... turn around

[gritty forge]

How do you mod sounds for dusk?

[gritty forge]

I figured out how but now I have to trial and error which sounds are actually in the game or not

[frail marsh]

dusking ™️

[brisk yarrow]

what mod client do i use on dusk?

i got r2 mod man already

[honest stag]

you dont need a mod client

it's just the steam workshop

[meager sundial]

hey all, I'm interested in trying to create a basic randomizer (probably items-only to begin with) and I pulled down the SDK, but upon examining it, it looks to be just the assets of the game, rather than any example levels.

• I presume that if I wanted to randomize the base game, I'd have to be able to parse through the level files (which I think are level0, level1, etc in the Dusk_Data folder)
• create an item array/pool
• randomize with logic to prevent softlocks
• create a modified version of said levels to reinject into the game

Has the dev expressed any wish that this NOT happen? would prefer to not do something expressly against the dev's wishes

[gritty forge]

Anyone know how to rearrange the trenchbroom ui? because I'm not navigating this nightmare.

1280x720 resolution is a pain in the ass to deal with

[last talon]

wdym that looks like a normal UI to me

[gritty forge]

That's J.A.C.K

[last talon]

no shit

[gritty forge]

Everything is super compressed and small on my end because of my aspect ratio

[last talon]

I think that is tied to your windows UI size

dunno how small you can make it in that resolution

then again the fuck do I know

[gritty forge]

Gonna see if I can find a solution

If I can't I might have to deal with trenchbroom being like this

[crisp raven]

Click the viewport you want (probably the 3D one) and press control + 4 then control + 5 then control + space (control + alt + T to hide the toolbar as well)

This can all be found under the view tab at the top

Furthermore, you can always press f1 to bring up the Trenchbroom manual

[gritty forge]

What's a good scale for a door?

[crisp raven]

Usually about six units high if you're using the 16 size grid (the default)

[gritty forge]

Struggling with rotating doors again

[honest stag]

you're not really meant to use the 2d views in tb much

not like you cant but i and many others work exclusively in the 3d mode

you should give it a shot

[ancient depot]

You could definitely play around with that, but it wouldn't be workshop compatible. You might want to wait for the next SDK update which brings custom scripting to the game

[gusty sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/fade-away-oooooooooooo-aga-emoji-crumble-gif-20008708

[gritty forge]

I'm using it because of my familiarity with J.A.C.K so I can slowly ease my way into using it

[dull fox]

someone please send me a goofy but fun dusk map

PLEASE

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/993533986041237664.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=AAAAA

[gritty forge]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3111683532

[stark ivy]

Wish there were more custom levels for Dusk, The American Nightmare is pretty cool even if a lil broken

[honest stag]

check out dusk.mod.io for some older levels that didnt get ported to the workshop

[stark ivy]

Aren't those often more broken due to being older?

[honest stag]

not really

[stark ivy]

Awesome!

Hoping I can find some more mini campaigns like TAN

[honest stag]

I don't think anyone else has done many connected levels

Map jams ate a great thing to try though

[gritty forge]

I really want to try dusk mods but most of them lag like hell on my steam deck

I want to try city lockdown when I get a new computer so I don't have to play it at 20 fps

[stark ivy]

O yeah I've seen them, I should try them

Wonder if there'll ever be more recent jams

[honest stag]

Prolly once the sdk update comes out

There arent enough mappers active for one rn

[gritty forge]

What breaks when you save on a custom map?

[stark ivy]

There's gonna be a new sdk update??

[honest stag]

Yea its been in the works for along while now

But its coming eventually

[stark ivy]

SOON™️

What's supposed to be updated?

[honest stag]

its an entirely rewritten sdk

A ton of things really

[gritty forge]

Is the sdk getting its own editor or nah?

[honest stag]

No

[gritty forge]

How much people are currently working on the sdk?

[honest stag]

Zombie is the mastermind of it

[gritty forge]

I see

Can't wait for the next SDK update

[stark ivy]

Holy

[ancient depot]

In the current version? A lot. Right now saving in custom levels basically creates a mini .map file that is almost like what you'd get if you had mapped the level in that state to begin with

But naturally there's a lot of stuff that can't be controlled that way, so it doesn't save properly

[dull fox]

https://tenor.com/view/nerd-nerd-emoji-gif-1712163874519931175

erm i need a fun dusk map

[stark ivy]

I saw on modio that the new sdk has stuff like scripting and custom models, so we could def get custom enemies, bosses and/or weapons, which sounds awesome

[ancient depot]

Yup, it's being modelled after gmod somewhat

[stark ivy]

Gdusk, now with 50% more ragdolls

[ionic stream]

I'm currently working on a little mini campaign. Just taking me FOREVER lol

[stark ivy]

[stark ivy]

I'd def wanna play it, what's it about?

[true glade]

The moddable version of dusk refuses to run on my computer

Idk whats wrong with it

[ionic stream]

It's a continuation from my city lockdown level. Got maybe 4ish levels planned for the whole thing. Story wise - it's basically a cult doing evil cultish things lmao, I have an idea of the whole storyline but kinda chopping and changing things as i go along

i'm about midway through creating the 2nd level now, it's just finding the time to make it between work and life lol

[stark ivy]

Verify integrity of the files, if that doesn't work reinstall

[stark ivy]

Oh shit city lockdown was you???

[ionic stream]

yeaaa

[stark ivy]

[toxic cosmos]

hi guys

I've been lurking here for the past few weeks and reading up on a lot of stuff

I've made a test level to practice mapmaking in TB and am planing to make my first real* level

this is it https://youtu.be/djvHTj2lnSI?si=zsR2xY1sQFXot4bf

it doesn't have a layout or anything - I tried not to focus on the visuals, just on the functionality of the entities, but I'd still love to hear your thoughts and suggestions!

while I was making it I also wrote down how most of the stuff in the level was made (mostly just copied explanations from here)

also here are the files:

And I do have a few questions I'd like to ask :

1. How do you make a texture wad without quake's palette restrictions?

2.Can you make it so bullet holes don't appear on the skybox?

3. How to make a trigger_counter not display the message "sequence complete"

[gritty forge]

This actually looks amazing

10/10

[toxic cosmos]

Thank you! I put a lot of effort into this little map

[toxic cosmos]

I had a lot of fun making this. Before I started I made a whole checklist of entities which are really common to see in maps and I tackled them piece by piece, which helped make the learning process be a lot less frustrating

I've actually made maps before but I always got sidetracked by aesthetics before I had even done the layout so never really finished them

[onyx jay]

Good shit

[stark ivy]

Amazing

Looking forward to more stuff

[lapis seal]

Hey there guys, just getting into making maps on Dusk there and I'm wondering what the story is with the bin folder with these tools? I've noticed a lot of tutorials talking about it but it doesn't seem to be there for myself. Would post an image but uhh no image perms aaaa

Huh seems to compile fine but can't run the game itself from the CompilingGUI

[serene lodge]

i wanna see if i’m smart enough to make dusk maps (i’m probably not)

isn’t trenchbroom the recommended program

[serene lodge]

seems like you have image perms

[lapis seal]

Ah cheers thanks for the heads up, aye as you can see I don't seem to have a bin folder for the ericw tools folder, not sure if it's a different folder I'd need to select now if it was updated or not

[lapis seal]

Yeah Trenchbroom is the one I've been hearing about, from the very limited amount of time I've spent with it, it feels pretty intuitive

[crisp raven]

Could be you downloaded the wrong thing. But if you can compile map then it's all good 🤷

[toxic cosmos]

I'm still really curious how you make custom textures without quake's color restrictions - like the textures in dusk_transparent.wad

for the textures in my test map I used TexMex - do I need to use a different program or do I just need to switch some settings around?

also unrelated: I got the scarecrow pole to work

this is how it works; I used a trigger_remove_target point entity to destroy the prop version of the scarecrow and then teleported a real scarecrow in the same spot (+ added some invisible breakables to sell the effect)

[muted glacier]

I dm'd you

[ancient depot]

This is genius lmao

Nice work

[lapis seal]

Hey there, was just wondering if theres a way to adjust the intensity of a light source in Trenchbroom or nah

[ancient depot]

That is controlled by the "light" property on a light

[lapis seal]

cheers

dunno how I missed that, lol

[gritty forge]

How do I make this door go down?

[ancient depot]

You can set angle to -2

Or you can remove angle and add angles with a value of 0 0 -1

[onyx jay]

Didn't realize you were using this channel lol

[gritty forge]

Wait I misread this message

Ignore my previous response 😭

[onyx jay]

Didn't see it anyway

[kind berry]

@distant kindle Just a suggestion but in the play as V2 mod can you make it so you have the option to throw all 4 coins in rapid succesion like the real V2 does?

[ancient depot]

Did you mean to post in #ultrakill-modding?

[kind berry]

yes

[kind berry]

mb

[toxic cosmos]

Eyo! glad you like my scarecrow setup! I got a question about makewad tho - I've downloaded the executable on 2 different machines (win10 and win 11) and in both cases I couldn't get it to run (also my antivirus REALLY hates it for some reason) - it either doesn't boot up or it opens a small window and then instantly closes itself. pls help

[toxic cosmos]

I've also tried running it as administrator and with different compatibility modes with no luck

[muted glacier]

It's a command line tool, so it doesn't open an executable.

Hold Windows+R keys to open command prompt, type CMD in the box and press enter.

Once the command prompt is open, navigate to the folder/location makewad.exe is in by using the cd command (cd C:\path\to\makewad\folder)

You use it by passing it the path of a folder containing PNGs, and the name of the WAD it should output

[toxic cosmos]

Alright ima trying it out right now, just a minute

[muted glacier]

i.e. makewad.exe G:\mapping\textures\my_wad_textures G:\mapping\my_wad.wad

If you are having a hard time navigating to it in the command line, make sure makewad.exe is in a folder, not just straight in the root drive

[toxic cosmos]

yea I am having a bit of a hard time - not really used to doing stuff in the command prompt

[muted glacier]

That's fine. I'll dm you give me a minute

[muted glacier]

some W.I.P screengrabs of the map im working on rn:

https://imgur.com/a/R720tKJ

[trail valve]

mod the og doom campaign into dusk

[ionic stream]

That's looking incredible so far

[muted glacier]

Somebody already is in the process actually: #dusk-modding message

[onyx jay]

every single level?

[stark ivy]

Based

[molten socket]

We need particle effects

[gritty forge]

What are good side textures for a door?

[gritty forge]

Is this too big or is the proportions correct for something like this?

[onyx jay]

Feel like that's alot of empty space

[stark ivy]

looks a lil too empty yeah, some props would help

like a table, or a room partition

[gritty forge]

I will add more props but I'm just concerned if the scale of the room is too big as I don't want the player feeling like an ant

[stark ivy]

send another vid with a more average FOV and weapon scaling

I think rooms always look bigger when the FOV is huge

and also having tiny weapons also makes it feel bigger

[gritty forge]

Oh yeah I should do that

idk why that didn't cross my mind

[onyx jay]

I always made sure to account for fov whenever muyb sent a recording but just lowering it would definitely make it easier

[gritty forge]

What are the default values again?

[muted glacier]

I've got the .map files for all the levels in Knee Deep in the Dead's episode, but I've never textured or formatted them to play for Dusk. Somebody else was a few months ago but I havent seen any updates.

[muted glacier]

In terms of proportions, the optimum door size is 64x96, and you can base room proportions off of that math, if you think it looks too big.

Room sizes can vary, it just depends on what you're going for. If you're going for claustrophobic ambush/jumpscare levels, smaller, tighter rooms are better. If it's a fighting focused map, you want wider, open rooms for ease of mobility and combat.

[stark ivy]

And if you hate the player you want openroom combat in a close quarters environment

Woe, cowgirls in cramped spaces be upon ye

[molten socket]

Next SDK update when?:")

[muted glacier]

Soon™️

[lapis seal]

Hi there, didn't see anything on it by searching here but how would I go about making a breakable vent? ty

Ah nvm I got it - for anyone that's reading this in the future idk here - https://www.reddit.com/r/quake/comments/6wp90a/how_to_make_doors_in_trenchbroom/

[gritty forge]

Does BepInEx work with Dusk?

Steam client not the SDK

[muted glacier]

It should? I'm pretty sure Zombie or 500_pts have mentioned its functionality in the past.

[gritty forge]

I tried but it didn't work out

[ancient depot]

I used BepInEx to make a wallhack for speedrunners lol

[gritty forge]

Yeah I saw it in this channel and I'm looking at the source code as a reference to set up my mod

Hopefully I can get it to work now

[coral dragon]

Greetings

I do have problems with triggers in Trenchbroom for Dusk. They don't work and I don't know why. I double checked by trying it in Quake, where it works fine. Is there something I have to consider when making maps for Dusk?

[ancient depot]

Triggers don't work any differently in Dusk, can you elaborate on what you mean by they don't work?

Also what trigger type etc

[coral dragon]

i.e. trigger_once to provoke an enemy. the arrowed line is drawn from the trigger to the entity. the trigger has the correct value in the property "target", likewise the entity in the property "targetname". it shows me the message, that i wrote, but the enemy wont attack me.

[ancient depot]

I don't think enemies are set up to be alerted when triggered currently

[coral dragon]

ffs. i tried to make it work for the past six hours or so. well, thanks for the answer, zombie.

[gritty forge]

Zombie would it be okay if I use the source code of the wall hack as a base for my mod?

[ancient depot]

sure idc

consider that code public domain