fallen-aces-modding

[proud night]

Thanks

[proud night]

When making a level with a big outside area, do you make the land first or the buildings?

[sly steppe]

https://youtu.be/xGhF6nSvnmM?si=hWO2SIY-ZWnNwyRN

Asking Chat gpt to generate a fallen aces map

[echo oyster]

I mean uhh it's up to you how you make your map

But i tend to roughly blockout the terrain, then add buildings

[proud night]

How do you know what size the terrain is going to be?

Do you just simply make a massive square and just plop down structures on top?

[echo oyster]

No, i cut out elevation changes first

But again, it delends on what kinda of map youre making

There's no single correct approach

[proud night]

I've had an idea of making a small town map that's designed like a averaged sized urban Midwest town

Kinda like this

[echo oyster]

Well then, i'd probably make the basic terrain first, cut out the roads from the base and then build all the architecture on top, using inverted sectors

[proud night]

How do you make a building you can enter in? Like every building in the base game?

Is it the same method you just said

[echo oyster]

Most buildings are made up of inverted sectors

Large, closed off interiors (like the moth n flame) can also be made with normal sectors

[proud night]

Does the exterior terrain act as a extremely giant room for different buildings. Because you need to have a door frame to connect different rooms together.

I also have trouble making the exterior of a building because of that problem

[echo oyster]

Huh? Not sure what you're getting at

Just make the building on top of the base, using inverted sectors and layers

[proud night]

Oh

Like make very small rectangles that connect to each other to mimic a building

[echo oyster]

I am not sure if you get me on this obe

Yknow what an inverted sector is?

[proud night]

Yeah

You click a sector, activate the y plane option, and stretch it until it's a 3d object

[echo oyster]

Yeah

So you can build with those

You can have walls, ceilings, floors made up of these

And they form a building together

[proud night]

The og ace Ed tutorial doesn't really talk about this stuff

It's just basic rooms and logic and whatnot

Hope someone makes a more informative tutorial in the future

More advanced geometry stuff

[echo oyster]

God, you gotta read the sdk documentation💔

Hold on a second

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926

[proud night]

I really should use this more when I'm trying to make a level

[vocal solstice]

Is there any way to get fire to be put out via an event

[tawdry parrot]

Make it like this. But then make it look like Mckeesport

what if chapt 3 was real?

[proud night]

Hi Trey powell!

[halcyon cargo]

was this your hometown

[tawdry parrot]

No but I lived very close

[proud night]

It could also look like Cleveland ohio

[tawdry parrot]

The bridge in chapt 2 is based on a old draw bridge in Cleveland

[proud night]

Really? Neat

Nice to see some representation of my state

[proud night]

Any stuff inspired by Toledo Ohio in fallen aces?

[tawdry parrot]

Never been. At least I don't think

[proud night]

Ah

[echo oyster]

yes hello im on #fallen-aces-modding now

[spiral fern]

Okay so I'll put the WIP side by side with the actual level

[echo oyster]

ya can't sadly

yo don't get image perms until you reach the mook role

[spiral fern]

💔💔💔

[echo oyster]

and you get that after sending like 100 messages

[spiral fern]

I joined awhile ago i just forgot to talk

[echo oyster]

BUT there is a modding server, i could send you an invite to that

no roles required

[spiral fern]

yeah that would be useful

please

[echo oyster]

and a lot of expierienced workshoppers are also there

[echo oyster]

aight, sent

[vocal solstice]

im trying to make a gate close and lock on an event trigger, i've got the gate locking fine on the event trigger but it will not close on "Close on event"

[teal axle]

is it a single door?

[echo oyster]

What type of door is it

Ok wait i think i found your problem

Do you have a single event to lock and close the door?

[frank flicker]

for some reason it looks worse

old one for comparision

[tawdry parrot]

get ur eyes checked. New looks better

[vocal solstice]

It’s a single security gate door. I tried using the same event to close and lock originally. I then tried to copy how you did the event doors on bloodrust. Setup a script that executes the two events for closing the door and locking the door with an event trigger, triggering the script. The door locks fine but does not shut. Now that I think about it. I’m pretty sure I tried just doing a door close event and it still didn’t work

[echo oyster]

Is it a swinging door?

[vocal solstice]

It is

[echo oyster]

Ahh i see

For some reason swinging doors don't work with close on event

[vocal solstice]

Oh ok Thank you

[halcyon cargo]

if i wanted sky would i do it this way or do like skyboxes exist

is umburgh in a giant cube

[echo oyster]

NO NO NO NO!!!!

Go to global settings, there's a tab for skyboxes there

[halcyon cargo]

one no was enough but okay

i swear i checked global settings

oh i thought it was a sub tab

like it'd be here but okay

[echo oyster]

Naw

It's split between all these and skyboxes soecifically

[halcyon cargo]

what about the fog

[frank flicker]

welcome to the editor btw

we always need more maps on the workshop

[halcyon cargo]

thanks i have an idea for what i want to make but know im probably never gonna be able to

[frank flicker]

we believe in you

[echo oyster]

Huh, what is it?

[halcyon cargo]

a small but relatively packed part of a town with a couple different factions you join, they send you on fetch quests or to do hitman work and if you have say 500 dollars you can leave (so ideally you'd make a new account to play it)

[echo oyster]

Sounds complicated, but with enough scripting and... creativity

You might just pull it off

[halcyon cargo]

i think i've learnt how to make a goon spawn when you break a trashcan

[echo oyster]

That's something ❤️

[halcyon cargo]

guys does this mean we'll get 7 fallen aces sequels

[echo oyster]

Trey powell making 28287271661 sequels to fallen aces because dave oshrey needs more money to burn

[halcyon cargo]

oshrey actually is working to hire a necromancer for when powell inevitably dies

[echo oyster]

Good. Fallen aces needs a a battle pass

I need MORE money i want a THROTTLION DOLLARS

I NEED MONEY AGGFSSS CAPITALISM!!!!!

[frank flicker]

a contract in newblood says that any developer's soul after death will be trapped in dave's personal purgatory in which they'll be forced to work on their games forever

dave oshry is confirmed to be immortal btw

he has the source of immorality, he inherited it from ancient greek alchemists who kept it a secret, but dave's great ancestor - davillion osherllich, managed to take the secret and buy it for a price of 1 goonillion dollars, he then kept it as a family relic in the oshry bloodline, until eventually, dave oshry, in his quest for immortality, used it to become the king of newblood underworld

[halcyon cargo]

and already history has repeated itself like it did with jack

sorry to get your guyses hopes up

if i did make anything it'd probably be around the same level of quality as this https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3497565695&searchtext=

probably less trolly

[echo oyster]

NO no it won't be as bad

Stop that

Fallen aces map is actually trey's personalised circle of hell

[halcyon cargo]

who knows maybe whare house kidnap is a bloodrust rivalling masterpeice the guy just tripped at the finish line

[echo oyster]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-cat-cat-boom-boom-cat-funny-funny-cat-boom-cat-explode-gif-9960205079262219110

[echo oyster]

Maybe it has more machine gun mooks

Big machine mook = big difficult= big good

[halcyon cargo]

all this shit is/was in my chapterinfo.txt file should i remove it to make way for title order and worldfilename

[proud night]

How do you change the palette of a goon? Do you just put in a singular number in the palette box or what?

[echo oyster]

That is your world file

What is that doing in your chapterinfo

Were you saving your progress there?

[frank flicker]

yes

heres the numbers and their respective colors

[proud night]

Thanks

[echo oyster]

OK OK OK let me elaborate

DO NOT REMOVE THIS!

this is your world file, the game loads the level from it

it contains everything in your level (sectors, things, tags, events etc.)

i assume that you have been saving your progress to the chapterinfo, which is not where you should be saving it

rename the file you currently have to whatever the hell, and make a new file called chapterinfo.txt

chapter info contains some info that affects things outside of the level itself

loading screen music, level name, stuff like that

put your title and world file name into that new chapterinfo file

the world file name is the name of that txt file with all the proper level stuff in it

[echo oyster]

lunch break

[halcyon cargo]

i dont remember

[halcyon cargo]

okay thanks

[frank flicker]

will the stretch button work on floors in the future

[halcyon cargo]

so uh

this means i have 2 world files doesnt it

should i remove coconut or somethinerother

[echo oyster]

check which one has more progress saved, use that

[halcyon cargo]

i'd assume somethinerother, considering that one has more text

clicking it does nothging but this is certainly a start

[echo oyster]

use the editor to check which one has more progress saved

[halcyon cargo]

i went with somethinerother because coconut had no mention of an enemy, and the level thus far is a big box with a mike spawner and a trash can that, when it breaks, should spawn a single unarmed goon

[echo oyster]

aight

so, make a chapterinfo and you should be good to go

[halcyon cargo]

oh silly me i forgot to rename the chapterinfo to direct to STO and not coconut

and it still dont work

i think i need to move a file

[echo oyster]

wait uhh what's the name of your chapterinfo?

[halcyon cargo]

chapterinfo

this is what the text inside it looks like

and heres what the 2 folders look like

[echo oyster]

huh, looks good

let's see the folders

[halcyon cargo]

your lookin at them

wait do i need to capitalize the i in chapterinfo

[echo oyster]

i honestly have no idea

maybe

it might be it

let me check

[echo oyster]

hhmmm, might be the order

try changing it to 1

[halcyon cargo]

changed episode and chapter info order to 1

nothing

[echo oyster]

... damn

[halcyon cargo]

this isnt normal for backups is it

[echo oyster]

uhhh what the hell

why is there so many folders

[halcyon cargo]

idek

[echo oyster]

ok, i got it!

you need this line at the end of your chapter info
always_unlocked = true;

[halcyon cargo]

i trimmed the folder fat so now it looks like (this didnt work either)

[halcyon cargo]

i'll try

i dont think this comptuer wants to make FA levels

[halcyon cargo]

there shouldnt be files liek this in the backups folder should there

man this is a load of horse excrement

[frank flicker]

it's natural

throttlin gooning also had a rough start

[echo oyster]

throttlin my janky geometry

[halcyon cargo]

this sucks i dont know where to go from here

do you guys think the loading and poster images being nowhere near their required size has something to do with it

cuz the amc gremlin picture i used for both of them is 1200x641

[echo oyster]

i honestly have no fucking clue what is going on

always unlocked didn't work?

i don't know, might as well try deleting them

[halcyon cargo]

deleting what, the poster and loading?

[echo oyster]

yeah

[halcyon cargo]

for all its worth when i hover over the chapter theres no name

[echo oyster]

hmh

now this is a stupid thought, but

all the chapter infos in the base game have no capitalization

[halcyon cargo]

no thought is stupid when im this desperate bingass

[echo oyster]

so.. maybe try that

[halcyon cargo]

still dont work

[halcyon cargo]

wait i meant episode not chapter

[echo oyster]

huh

what does your episode info look like

[halcyon cargo]

see how theres no name for the

wait

THIS is my episode info

this is my chapter info and im now realising the quotations are different and that may be it

[echo oyster]

ok so uhh that should be an = sign

[echo oyster]

oh

you are supposed to add always unlocked to the chapter

not the episode

that is it

you added it to the wrong spot

.. damn

[halcyon cargo]

okay

should the quotations be like " or the fancier tuff as seen in herpderp

i think its supposed to be "

[echo oyster]

the normal ones

[halcyon cargo]

yeah that could be it

[echo oyster]

it's the always_unlocked for sure

it doesn't let you into the level because you don't have it unlocked

[halcyon cargo]

nothing happened!

i changed it

it

[halcyon cargo]

https://tenor.com/view/peter-griffin-ah-he-said-it-family-guy-gif-7387202

[halcyon cargo]

i have a feeling the directory setup is gonna be the hardest part

[halcyon cargo]

you'd think as time marches on the tools to edit games would become easier to at least set up

had more fun settin up jack than this shit

[halcyon cargo]

trying again with a new set of folders

the reason i even report this is because a title appears, something that didnt happen previously

can a glassheart goon with too much acesed knowledge break into my house rn and set my folders up correctly before beating the shit outta me

[echo oyster]

Yknow what just send me the fuckass level file💔

[echo oyster]

Zhigild's business sector is certainly much worse off than it's industry, as most people are too impoverished to afford anything more than food and water

[halcyon cargo]

is zhigild like a town or does the car company own the town or should we know

[echo oyster]

It owns the town

Bought out a shit load of land near umburgh and made a city centered on pumping out cars

[echo oyster]

hey uhh, is there a way to control fog with scripts?

i don't want the fucking blood mist in my train station

[median mason]

We're going to add a special Thing that'll handle changing fog

[echo oyster]

freaking sweet

[echo oyster]

also, hotch and heavy progress update : IM GOINF GUCKING INSANE EDITING THIS BITHCHASS LEVEL BECAUSE THE BADEED DECIDED TO MAKE EVERYTHING EVER SO SLIGHTLY OFF CENTER, AHSDAHSDAWHUDAUWU

[proud night]

How are you guys even editing the same level together

Are you just sending him the world file occasionally

[proud night]

How do you connect floors that are different heights from each other

I'm trying to make a hallway that connects to a room with a ladder that connects to a higher room

[echo oyster]

Yeah. Not exactly practical, but oh well

[echo oyster]

Pretty sure that you could just make a doorway like normal and raise the floor height afterwards

[stuck hazel]

Wanted to say something about using a vcs, but I imagine using something like git to co-edit a single text file sounds like a merge conflict nightmare.

[sage summit]

It is

only really works if you work at different times

and always make sure the latest version is pushed

[echo oyster]

hey, does anyone know where the messages from the "ShowDebugMessage" script function are displayed?

[echo oyster]

Among the grime and filth of Zhigild's automotive sector, the Saint Andrey train station stands as a bastion of comparable tidyness.

[proud night]

How do you give items to the player upon spawn?

It's a script right?

[tawdry parrot]

You have to put it in the ini. script

Check chapt 4 and 5 ini files to see how it's done

[proud night]

Thanks!

[echo oyster]

this new "telephone" doohickey AIN'T replacin' the telegraph, im tellin ya

[earnest rock]

@dark flint, please keep all discussions in English.

[echo oyster]

hey uhh, im having problems with my custom level randomly crashing

it crashed in the middle of a scripted ambush, it seems to be somehow tied to a specific area

Here's the level file, the ambush is in the big buidling you spawn in front of

and uhh the crash happens specifically when fighting enemies in the part of the building with the skylight

the game just sorta freezes, so i didn't get a crash log

oh right , the script is probably important too, this here is the whole level

[echo oyster]

huh, must have been some kind of script issue, it works fine with a copy pasted BLOODRUST script

[frank flicker]

which is the better way to make doorframes with inverted sectors

(asking primarily to know which is easier to texture)

[echo oyster]

i think that left would be easier to auto align

[sly steppe]

Should I add a number Zero for this combo-puzzle

[glad swift]

If I want to see the official levels inside the AceEd Editor, should I load level1.txt, for example?

That's weird. Why can't I send images? In this channel

[sly steppe]

yes

[frank flicker]

you might want to consider joining the modding discord

on account of there not being a level limit to image perms

[echo oyster]

haven't given you fellas any updates on hotch and heavy in a while, but i got some big news to make up for it. mike can now achieve his childhood dream of being a train engineer

[echo oyster]

Sector lighting is very cool

[frank flicker]

what causes this

[fiery tree]

Did this happen right as you created the sector?

it's a wall that had its visibility unchecked in properties, but i assume you didn't do so intentionally

[frank flicker]

dont remember removing the visibility but the obvious solution of drawing a new sector fixed it

i musta had another stroke again i guess

[earnest rock]

@ashen raptor, please keep all discussions in English.

[echo oyster]

hey, to any fellow level creators out there, make sure to check out the ghostsignmaster texture

it's very freaking useful for buildings

look at alla that shit

[frank flicker]

i can spell throttlin gooning anywhere i want now.........

[echo oyster]

make a giant throttlin wall

[echo oyster]

i fucking hate living in the zhigild metropolitan area, what even is this bro💔

[viscid tinsel]

those shards got into people’s throats man

[echo oyster]

anyway, zhigild lore drop, this time in the from of picket signs

or well a texture for picket signs

[frank flicker]

big fan of how the outside is starting to look

[echo oyster]

throtllin my shit to this ❤️

[echo oyster]

hotch and heavy's got custom assets now!

[frank flicker]

mods dont seem to change the consumables sfx, is this intentional?

[echo oyster]

add some flora models, they are awesome

literally infinite easy grass glitch unpatched 2025

[echo oyster]

Hotch and Heavy's out!
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3590600685

[sly steppe]

@echo oyster

Theres some missing walls

[echo oyster]

Yikes, thanks for the report

[stuck hazel]

124 MB

Does it come with custom soundtrack or something?

[echo oyster]

Kinda

Sounds

[frank flicker]

still better than crystal set's 4.527 GB

[viscid tinsel]

jesus christ

[echo oyster]

What

[viscid tinsel]

how the fuck do you reach 4gb

[echo oyster]

Crystal radio set for sale, cheap is truly an icon of fallen aces community lore

[frank flicker]

the creator added the game's texture packages to the upload for whatever reason

[viscid tinsel]

where do you put it on the iceberg

[frank flicker]

probably alongside chainsaw bears

[echo oyster]

Like uhh.. i dunno ask belph

Hotch and heavy part 2 will actually feature all the content of the acesdata folder to pay tribute to our fallen soldier

[frank flicker]

never fugged

rest in powell

[viscid tinsel]

ok but where do you put it on the iceberg

[frank flicker]

^

[viscid tinsel]

i see

[echo oyster]

wait does that mean that the base game textures are 4gb

fuck, that means that like half of the file size is just textures

insane

not even sprites, just textures

[fiery tree]

I've discovered very quickly just how much space aces textures take up when making a dusk map based in fallen aces

it is the single slowest map to load on the dusk workshop because the textures take so long to load

high quality assets will do that

[viscid tinsel]

really? damn

[proud night]

What map are you recreating?

[fiery tree]

It wasn't a recreation

Original map

[proud night]

Ah ok

Are you still making it?

[fiery tree]

Its up on the dusk workshop

[proud night]

Oh lol

I thought you were talking about a fallen aces workshop map

Have you tried out the fallen aces editor?

[fiery tree]

You could say that considering i work for new blood and help with aces levels yea lol

[proud night]

Oh I'm talking to an employee

[rapid sable]

how do you make notes?

[frank flicker]

1. create a note thing
2. create a note decal
3. have the note open from an event, for example, event onexamplenote
4. have the note decal as usable, then set the event on use as whatever number onexamplenote event is
5. go to your levels folder and create a "Notes" folder, there, copy an existing .txt file from a base level and insert it there, change text as needed
6. go to the note thing and set the path as the path of the .txt file

[rapid sable]

thx

[echo oyster]

Urban hell is neat and all, but it is nice to take a breather every once in a while, isn't it?

[echo oyster]

chat help, why doesn't this level load

works perfectly fine in editor, freezes once the loading screen is almost complete in game

[fiery tree]

you seem to have an untextured rock there. i vaguely recall that being an issue for me once

try either texturing it or removin it

@echo oyster

this one

not saying this is 100% the issue but give it a shot

[echo oyster]

that was actually it, thanks

also what kind of black magic is this game even running on, holy crap

[fiery tree]

i assume its because despite having default textures in the properties menu, they are not actually assigned to the rock when it gets spawned. compare thing 51 and 53 here. 53 is the problematic one

i aint the programmer tho

[echo oyster]

Huh

[echo oyster]

just a little beginner friendly trail

[proud night]

Is this hotch n heavy part 2 or something else entirely?

[echo oyster]

Hotch and heavy

[tawdry parrot]

the reason your rock is lit up is because it's bound box is touching a sector.

[echo oyster]

i know boss, i just couldn't be bothered to move it before recording

[tawdry parrot]

looks good tho. I'd recommend putting some more lights along the trail. That shits dark.

[echo oyster]

oh the main track is well lit, it's just that the gorge is more of a secret path

as it skips a bit of the level

[frank flicker]

is enemies being able to walk through breakable geometry intentional?

[echo oyster]

Choose nav mesh : exclude in the breakable geo's properties, it should prevent them from doing that

.. should

[frank flicker]

i chose include and now they dont walk through it

[echo oyster]

Juh

Truly a uhh fa moment

[frank flicker]

aced black magic

[median mason]

Include means “take this into account when baking the nav mesh” so it’ll be an obstacle permanently, you could instead use a nav mesh obstacle Thing and make it disable upon the geometry breaking

That way they’ll walk through it but only once the geometry breaks

[echo oyster]

it's the small things that make the difference, huh

[echo oyster]

Hey map creators, don't sleep on point lights!

[echo oyster]

I feel like im breaking the fundamental laws of the universe with this shit

[frank flicker]

why is it spelled correctly

[echo oyster]

Because im actually a russian spy and i lied about being from poland

[echo oyster]

What do you fellas think bou the new lighting?

[echo oyster]

New Hotch and Heavy update featuring is out, featuring quite a few improvements to the visual quality of the level. Check it out, I think it turned out pretty cool.
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3590600685

[echo oyster]

Can't wait for e2 to release so that I can actually use this as a level track

[echo oyster]

Hey, I am wondering if there's an elegant solution to this obscure ass problem I have

I basically want to link 2 normal sectors on different layers, but the sectors are overlapping

So i have this rock right here, which is a line of a normal sector, and a cave inside the rock, which is also a normal sector

The portal jank im doing kinda works, but im just wondering if there would be a more elegant way to do this

[fiery tree]

you can just put them on different layers and then make the wall between them invisible and non-solid

on each side

block the hole off with inverted sectors

you can use inverted sectors as a way to fill any inconvinent gaps as shown in your screenshot

[echo oyster]

huh, that works

[echo oyster]

Train station, real western type shit

[echo oyster]

Hey uhh, is pop in normal with flora models or is that me doing something wrong

Got some of those 2d variants and some of them pop in and out of existence when the player moves

[tawdry parrot]

That's normal. Performance thing.

I'm suprised nobody's messed with the salesman or buyable items in their fan maps yet.

It's really easy to set up.

[echo oyster]

I dont use him personally, since the player might already have a bunch of cash on their profile, so it would screw the balancing

[frank flicker]

pretty sure the diamond eye has one

[echo oyster]

Ooohhh yeah, now that's cozy

[stark path]

do you guys write scripts in plain notepad with no auto complete and formatting?

I was looking into configuring some text editor to do that but maybe it's already done

[echo oyster]

Hotch and heavy's got a hot dawg stand

[frank flicker]

i use normal notepad

sometimes the scripts work sometimes not

but i usually just copy the existing ones and do some changes to the functions so it almost always works

[echo oyster]

I want to put the functions into notepad ++ but im too lazy to do that

[stark path]

cool, thx guys

[echo oyster]

Also, holy shit are you back to aces modding

[stark path]

no promises

need to get my mook role back

[stark path]

you've been modding this whole time?

[echo oyster]

Yes.

[stark path]

thats a commitment

[echo oyster]

Check out hotch and heavt

[echo oyster]

in fact, i just posted a sneak peek for hotch and heavy part 2

[echo oyster]

right here

[stark path]

looking nice

but is there a fireplace

[echo oyster]

i'll add one

and maybe there wil be a chimney to drop down from

[stark path]

santaclausing, yes

[echo oyster]

this here has gotta be my favourite area, tho

[stark path]

https://streamable.com/yp8ug2

thoughts?

[fiery tree]

try notepad++

[stark path]

i was using that, better than just notepad, but still.

to be fair i didn't try to configure anything there though

---

anyway, configuring sublime now

feels like more extendable and configurable

[echo oyster]

oh wow that is sick

[stark path]

https://streamable.com/5fqi5x

autocomplete for events and tags based on level txt file

[echo oyster]

oh wow

oh wow

holy shit

are you gonna bestow this sacred knowledge upon us when you're done?

[stark path]

i'll put it on github tomorrow

---

i don't think it's properly configured yet though
but i can patch it later, whatever

[echo oyster]

oh this is gonna be good

how are you gonna go around adding in the proper parameters?

do you have to put the parameters for each function in manually or is there a way to like get them from the existing scritps automatically or whatever

[stark path]

adding in the proper parameters?
not sure what that means

[median mason]

Very nice, that'd be handy for me too lol

[proud night]

Yo bingass, was the small shack always in hotch n heavy or did you add it in a update

The one with the ||sawed off||

[echo oyster]

Added it in the update

[stark path]

https://github.com/wooden-floors/fallen-aces-sublime-plugin

(lower the expectations though)

haven't tried to actively use it myself yet, so don't know how helpful is it actually

but for sure there are:

• missing functions in autocomplete
• wrong arg names for some functions (i have no idea what half the functions do and what they accept as parameters)
• no docs for all the functions except 2 (same reason)

first we need to see if it at least does something

[stark path]

you can try it out

[echo oyster]

Or well, the shack was always there, but before the update it was just a cube you couldn't actually enter

[teal axle]

and for sublime text too

serezha you're the goat

[stark path]

have you tried it?

[teal axle]

not yet but will definitely do later

[stark path]

nice

we need to check if it works at least and doesn't break sublime

(works on my pc, but that doesn't mean shit)

---

have you released your map yet?

[echo oyster]

little fireplace

[teal axle]

just tried it out and it honestly works great

i don't think it's missing any function and makes things way easier

only thing that i'm not even sure can be done is that in functions like ShowCutsceneBars, which use either 1 or 0, have 1 by default instead of "enabled"

but that's just me nitpicking, it's awesome

and no, sadly the ancient hdd where i had my maps in died but i'm planning on making a new one

the one i was working on was kinda scuffed tho

[stark path]

In terms of features - yeah, I don't know what else would be useful

it would be nice to have description with examples for all the functions when you hover on them, but that can take a while. no way i'm gonna describe all engine functions myself

same for function parameter names - i haven't check if all of them make sense, most likely there are names that don't reflect the purpose of the argument

[stark path]

yeah, done

for ShowCutsceneBars, SetCutsceneModeForHands, SetGodMode

idk if there are other functions with single bool param

[stark path]

noooo

---

thank you for playtesting the plugin

that was my quarterly contribution to fallen aces community

[teal axle]

and we thank you for it 🙌

[teal axle]

i don't think it's worth the headache - most of the functions are self-explainatory and it's hard to define all parameters when we don't have proper documentation yet

but i'm curious about what the last three arguments on SpeakDialogue are for

found two more arguments for the function, fourth one seems to make the radio appear

1 briefly, 2 stays on screen

[stark path]

i was confused about '&' thing. I think Jason did say that this is to explicitly say "this is a string", but like we don't have to use it for local / world variables, what is the difference then

also , what is normalized in GetHitpointsNormalised
or, what is disturbance in createDisturbance
or, what does SetLayerGroupEnabledState do
or, what are the other states in SetState (in current levels the only possible value is 'shitting' i think?)

this type of thing

(but yeah, i guess there is no documentation needed for Greater or Less)

[teal axle]

yeah, at the end we only have what we can see being used in the levels

[echo oyster]

Create disturbance creates a disturbance that enemies will investigate

It is used for the shop bell in the chapter 3 bar and el oshcuro in the chapter 1 comicbook shop

[stark path]

nice, thx

[frank flicker]

adding this to the tg2 bell tripwire trap

[stark path]

what's tg2

[frank flicker]

throttlin gooning 2

sequel to the worst workshop level

[stark path]

will it be worse?

[frank flicker]

absolutely

[stark path]

nice

[echo oyster]

hey uhh, arg means that the parameter is a mystery and you got no clue what it does, right?

[stark path]

yup

[echo oyster]

i see

i could probably do some research into the more mysterious functions, i'll do that later

[stark path]

very nice ✨

---

at this point it's up to the channel - you can suggest improvements/fixes here and tag me

or do the pull requests yourselves - also fine

[echo oyster]

haven't really used it properly, but even after messing around a bit, i can tell that this will be amazing for scripting

[stark path]

yay

thx

[stark path]

requesting feature to give/take specific amount of money to/from player via script

[stark path]

---

Main()
{
    If(Less(0.5, 1))
    {
        ShowNotification("0.5 is less than 1");
    }

    If(Greator(0.5, 1))
    {
        ShowNotification("0.5 is more than 1");
    }
}

both conditions return true 🙁

[teal axle]

shouldn't it be greater?

or is greator also a function

[stark path]

🤦‍♂️ of course it should be

my bad

(strange that 'Greator' didn't cause script to fail completely)

[teal axle]

fallen aces works in mysterious ways

also any reason you have these two as functions and also as snippets?

[stark path]

I think because i have them as autocompletions they display as snippets, but then if those methods are also used in your files they are mentioned as functions as well

i haven't checked if i can adjust it, but i'll make a note

[teal axle]

oooh i see

that makes sense actually

it's no biggie just got confused

[stark path]

nah, i started to use it and found quite a few things that can be tweaked a bit - https://github.com/wooden-floors/fallen-aces-sublime-plugin/issues

regardless of 'bigginess'

[teal axle]

great work 🙌

[median mason]

There's two different ways SpeakDialogue parameters can be set

SpeakDialogueOld(int taggedEntity, int dialogueId, int dialogueType, bool waitForDialogueToFinish, int priority)

SpeakDialogueNew(int taggedEntity, string voicelineName, bool waitForDialogueToFinish, int priority, bool overrideEqualPriority, Voice.SpeakThroughRadioSetting speakThroughRadio, bool skippable)

public enum SpeakThroughRadioSetting
{
    DontSpeakThroughRadio,
    SpeakThenPutaway,
    SpeakButDontPutaway,
    SpeakButDontShow,
}

[median mason]

The & means to treat the input explicitly as a string and not as a variable. Just incase there's a variable with the same name

GetHitpointsNormalised will set a variable with the current hitpoints of an enemy normalized between 0-1 ( 1 being full health )
SetLayerGroupEnabledState is an obsolete function
SetState is currently only used to make the Goon sit on the toilet and to make Delia sleep at the hideout

[teal axle]

oooh thanks so much jason! this honestly clears things up a lot 🙌

i've got another question if you've got some time to answer.

having looked a bit through the scripts i'm a bit puzzled on how would some examples of global variables work - i've always used them for conditionals but, having the hideout as an example, what are the "blake" or "delia" variables actually used for?

i really hope i'm not mistaking functions here

[median mason]

Those are world variables set in the init script of the hideout, they contain the tag used for them in the map

{
    // Setup variables that can be used elsewhere in the hideout.
    SetWorldVariable("blake", 18);
    SetWorldVariable("delia", 40);

...

It's just easier to put "blake" than remember that tag 18 is Blake

[teal axle]

so you can reference the variable both by tag and name, right?

[median mason]

Yeah if you store 18 in “blake”, everywhere you use “blake” will be replaced by 18

[stark path]

nice, thx man

btw, the plugin is out

it still needs polishing but it does something already

[stark path]

here

[stark path]

Regarding normalized - can it be useful for something in the mods?

Or is it more like a workaround for something in the official levels?

I'm thinking about cases where I'd need this function

I see how it's used for Delia, nevermind

[echo oyster]

Oh, so it allows you to monitor if an enemy was harmed, right?

(GetHitpoints)

Oh and are there any other events for TriggerEventonEvent than the player killing an enemy?

[stark path]

Since it's normalized I guess you can use it to check if HP is 100%, or below 50% etc

Regardless of actual number of hp

Just guessing

[teal axle]

i wonder if it would also work with breakable geometry

[stark path]

speaking of geometry, there was this thing when movable geometry kinda breaks and instead of geometry itself there is some black shape that is moving

was it already explained what happens and how to avoid it?

often happens (at least for me) after you restart the level (but not in the first run after restart)

maybe conflicting sectors or something, idk

[teal axle]

no clue, it somehow fixes once you continue to make layers and sectors

[stark path]

whoa

[frank flicker]

aceed black magic as usual

[stark path]

really pretty

does it look worse if you put fire sprite there?

---

also, ive never noticed dust before. Is it everywhere by default or do you have to explicitly put some volumes with dust on your level?

[echo oyster]

dust is a texture

so i make a cylinder of dust, basically

[echo oyster]

it would burn the player if they tried getting in trough the chimney, so that's a no-go

[echo oyster]

so uh yea, intentional

[stark path]

i forgot about that part, yeah

hmmm

[stark path]

i've no idea what i'm looking at

i don't remember anythin

🙁

[echo oyster]

that's what the dust looks like in editor

the three cylinders

pretty funny how like everything is just a cube

godrays too

[stark path]

godrays?

oh, looked it up

i didn't know such word

[echo oyster]

ah

[stark path]

very educational

[echo oyster]

you can truly learn a lot from making fallen aces levels

[stark path]

i know at least 1 more word now, true

thank you fallen aces

amen

[stark path]

have you found answer for that?

[echo oyster]

nah, pretty sure jason said sumthin bout a folder somewhere?

couldn't find it, tho

[stark path]

AppData\LocalLow\New Blood Interactive\Fallen Aces\Player.log

this one i think

[wind prism]

how very un-imsim of you XD

[stark path]

are benedettos supposed to be not aggressive by default or do i need to explicitly configure it somewhere?

[echo oyster]

Enemies will only be neutral if you select the "restricted areas" engagment rule

And you aren't in a restricted area, of course

[stark path]

nice

very nice
thanks

[stark path]

yes, this is exactly what i needed

very thankyou

[echo oyster]

YOU CAN DO THAT????

[stark path]

do you spawn it or do you teleport it from somewhere?

[echo oyster]

teleport

[stark path]

🙁

[stark path]

i wonder how many i need to make the issue go away

prototyping ain't that fun if i have to restart game after every level change 🫤

no way only us two have this issue and everyone else moves geometry just fine

[median mason]

Any footage of that will be helpful

[stark path]

one sec

like this (very old message)

[stark path]

i can record a fresh one or share a project if you wanna

[stark path]

anyway, let me know if i can get you anything else - new footage, level itself, maybe there are some logs i can collect, whatever

i can do that tomorrow

[teal axle]

it's pretty easy to replicate, at least on my side

and i actually don't know what fixes it, i just guessed it had to do with that since it only worked once i forgot about it for a while

[median mason]

Yeah a project would be better actually

[stark path]

project is here - https://github.com/wooden-floors/fallen-aces-the-issue
recording is here - https://streamable.com/zk98qr

on first level run mov geo works fine
after level restart - it doesn't

(i hope it will be a case of "you inverted the sector wrong")

[teal axle]

how would one invert the sector wrong

also serezha any reason you are throwing yourself into the void instead of reloading the level through the episode selector

[stark path]

I'm yet to know

[stark path]

it's more dramatic

but the issue is reproduced either way

[stark path]

---

bug reports can also have a bit of art in them

why else would one add a poster for this level

[teal axle]

true true

sorry for doubting your artistic choices 😔

[stark path]

I should've at least done 360 while jumping 😕

missed opportunity

[echo oyster]

On that old BLOODRUST screenshot shit rn

[teal axle]

peak

[echo oyster]

BingAss cozy space evolution

[proud night]

What's the second image from

[echo oyster]

My first map ever, that i made right after getting into the editor beta tests

Just an apartment with no actual gameplay

Didnt work on it that much before switching to BLOODRUST

[stark path]

how did you get into editor beta test?

[echo oyster]

Devs were just kinda asking around on the discord from what i remember

The absolute lead poisoned acehead i am, i applied

And i got accepted

[stark path]

was there a questionnaire ?

[fiery tree]

Nah. We just asked whoever wanted to try it

showing interest was the only requirement

[stark path]

nice

[echo oyster]

Yeah, we were kinda just there to screw around, than the devs made the documentation based off the most common questions

Pretty neat that i got to help out in the creation of my favorite game, no matter how tiny the contribution was

[stark path]

that's nice also

[fiery tree]

I believe we made the documentation before the test, for the reason that people would need it to even start out in the test the first place

[stark path]

did you guys find any bugs in beta test, or did it just confirm that the editor is good and stable enough to release?

[echo oyster]

huh, i don't remember having any kinda documentation, the only sources of information from that period i remember were asking the developers and that one unlisted youtube video from trey

[fiery tree]

Just looked to confirm - the documentation google doc was made in may while the editor released in june

i remember writing a good chunk of it myself

maybe we just didnt give it out immediately, dont remember that part too well

[echo oyster]

My level stopped loading for some reason, help

it freezes on the "creating sectors" message in editor

so, very strange update, it freezes on older back ups as well

it doesn't freeze on other levels

[echo oyster]

oh also, this might be useful, right????

i don't know im just desperate to get this dumbass level working

[fiery tree]

I'll give it a look

[echo oyster]

thanks

[fiery tree]

I deleted a chunk of sectors and loaded the level

Lucas may pinpoint the precise bug later but for now i'll narrow down the sector causing it with binary search

then i'll delete it and send the level back

i fixed it

whatever sectors with the water texture "caustic" caused the issue

will relay this to the others, for now just avoid using that texture

will send the level back shortluy

sorry i renamed it

@echo oyster

[echo oyster]

Really? Very strange

[fiery tree]

Well actually hold on to that thought

there seem to be sectors with that texture still present

yet the level loads

[echo oyster]

I've been using that texture with no issues for a while

[fiery tree]

lemme see what was the issue in the couple sectors i deleted

ah i see

whatever happened here was the problem

will relay it

i THINK it's caused by copypasting sectors sometimes under some weird condition, and might even be fixed on our newer editor version

but dont quote me on it

[echo oyster]

Fallen aces black magic as always, i see

[wind prism]

Devil May Ace

[sly steppe]

Fallen Aces Modifers

imagine

[earnest rock]

@sand plume, please keep all discussions in English.

[echo oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ks1uduBoY8U

[stark path]

woah

watched part 1 as well

woah x2

[teal axle]

i love the E3 showcase gameplay

[stark path]

is profile flag actually stored in profile only after level completion?

or can i save it even if i quit the level (or died)

[stark path]

---

https://streamable.com/wobjnp

just in case slot machine didn't seem complex enough

[echo oyster]

holy shit//??//?/

[stark path]

yes

[teal axle]

serezha you're actually insane

[jade wind]

Thats rad

[stark path]

🙂

[echo oyster]

Yo chat is there a way to stop the hunting behavior from enemies after using the Hunt(); script?

[echo oyster]

scrolling trough steam community and i just witnessed the peakest of pick randomly??? what the fuck???

[stark path]

is it a model from second level or is it something done from scratch?

[echo oyster]

i don't freakin' know

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/752224678369820685/1391761338803556472/3dgifmaker52635.gif

it does look like it shares plenty of elements with the c2 boat, tho

[stark path]

https://streamable.com/2gwc69

at some point i will be able to upload directly here again

[teal axle]

thats so

insanely pretty

i forget grates and fences cast shadows, it adds so much

[stark path]

thanks

[echo oyster]

ZAMN!!!

[stark path]

yup

[echo oyster]

here's what im doing

[stark path]

nice

can you go inside?

[echo oyster]

yeah

it's like the most important place in the level

[stark path]

do you build it purely with inverted sectors or do you combine regular sectors and inverted?

I mean the walls and stuff

[echo oyster]

did the combination thing

[stark path]

🤔

In 'reference' everything was happening inside, so I built all the rooms via regular sectors

The thing I am working on right now should be an actual building that you can look at from outside. And I'm not sure how to combine both type of sectors nicely

So for now I'm just building all the walls and floors with inverted sectors - and it does feel a bit weird like I'm not using the tools correctly

[echo oyster]

what i did is to draw out the rooms with inverted sectors

then make a wall out of inverted sectors around it

made the interior lines of the inverted sectors invisible to avoid z fighting

and then made gaps in the uninverted sector for the doors and windows

[stark path]

yeah, makes sense

but most likely mine will be built with inverted anyway 😬

it was supposed to be small scene with no gameplay just to warm up

I think I spend 30 hours on it at least already

although to be fair 20-25 was spent on poker table

which still lags and bugs

[echo oyster]

The screwing around curse, i see

[stark path]

and there still won't be any gameplay, just the vibe

like 30 second experience

[echo oyster]

What bout the gambling?

[stark path]

I mean, if poker is there, I can revive and polish the slot machine as well

compared the with poker, the slots were easy

poker is like 2k lines of code I think

mostly because of all the copy-paste

[echo oyster]

What the fuck

[stark path]

if scripting allowed arrays or string concatenation or passing the name of variables to functions, it would be 10-15 times smaller

[stark path]

yeah man

that was an experience

[echo oyster]

Out of curiosity, could you send that over?

I want to expierience it

[stark path]

that was my 'run doom on pregnancy test' moment

[echo oyster]

Ok now make an ai with actual human emotions

Looks like you already surrendered your soul to the spaghetti code, so that will probably make it easier

[stark path]

it all will be exposed when i publish it to workshop

but let me see, i can share something to just get the feel

[stark path]

i never wanted that

but i did want that

---

i actually used a bit of AI to just generate copy paste shit

no way i'm typing same logic for each of 52 cards

[echo oyster]

Jhhdjsjjs noo!!! Mods throttle them NOW!!!!!

[stark path]

---

i also wrote small python scripts to generate 52 sectors + all the lines and vertices for them

at some point i did things just because i could

[echo oyster]

This shit got PYTHON!?!??!

[stark path]

i mean it was some bullshit like

for item in range(0, 52):
    print('Tag')
    print('{')
    if item < 10:
        print('name = "mg_card_00{}";'.format(item))
        print('number = 150{};'.format(item))
    else:
        print('name = "mg_card_0{}";'.format(item))
        print('number = 15{};'.format(item))
    print('}')
    print('')

and then you have text block that has tag definition

and you put it to your level txt file

[echo oyster]

Huh

[stark path]

and now you have 52 tags and you didn't have to create them manually via editor UI

[echo oyster]

Cool

[stark path]

and then the same to generate vertices, lines and sectors

[echo oyster]

Real convienient

[stark path]

it did save a ton of time, but i don't think it is that useful in general

like it was useful for very specific type of thing where i have a ton of similar geometries and tags

also there is always a chance that you mess up because you basically manually editing level definition instead of using the editor

but that's what backups for

[stark path]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PhLy9yqMxTA

2 min of exciting paint + 3 min of sublime scrolling

that's the life

no python stuff, those scripts i ran somewhere in online compilers, i dont even have it installed

for a few for-loops to generate a bunch of text data - online compilers are more than okay

[echo oyster]

This shit is insane

[stark path]

🙂

[urban juniper]

Im trying to test my map, and copied the file layout, but no .bvh file generated from my map

I've look at the documentation on Steam

I get to the custom screen, but can't go further

[teal axle]

have you filled the layout with your map info? .bvh won't generate unless you save an existint project or force it with a command i can't remember

bakebvh, but you have to be in your level

[urban juniper]

Ive saved my level multiple times in a txt file. It has multiple entities, etc

[echo oyster]

Pretty sure that soda meant the chapterinfo.txt file

The one with the enemies and all that saved to it is called the world file

[teal axle]

oh yeah my bad

[urban juniper]

I see the console but its not letting me type

[urban juniper]

Is there any other documentation available

[echo oyster]

Nope

Trust me, you're definetly screwing something up

[urban juniper]

ok

[echo oyster]

just triple or quadruple check your file set up

it's always the tiny things

[urban juniper]

I renamed some stuff, like chapterinfo to chapterInfo

and I renamed my world file

[echo oyster]

and where does the level get screwed up for you?

[urban juniper]

It matches the folder

Loading screen, PunchingBag pops up, but i cant load level(no .bvh file)

PunchingBag.txt is my world file

[echo oyster]

Bvh doesn't matter, it's just for optimization

[echo oyster]

How far into loading does it get?

[urban juniper]

It doesnt. Im renaming a folder to Chapter 4

[echo oyster]

But it does show up on the menu, right?

[urban juniper]

Yes

[echo oyster]

Do you have the always_unlocked = true line in your chapterinfo?

[urban juniper]

I don't have that

Im adding it

what does that do

thanks

changed World_file_name to world_file_name

[teal axle]

but can you load into the level??

[urban juniper]

nope

chapterInfo: title = "PunchingBag";
order = 0;
world_file_name = “PunchingBag.txt”;

That’s the issue

[echo oyster]

Maybe change order to 1?

[stark path]

https://ibb.co/VpBTtys1

(picture)

[echo oyster]

oh wow that is very nice

how cozy

[stark path]

hehe

thx

9 fuckin hours

[urban juniper]

I just figured it out

It was the chapterInfo quotes around world_file_name = “PunchingBag.txt”;

Theyre actually supposed to be world_file_name = '' PunchingBag.txt '';

[teal axle]

oooh i think someone had that issue long time ago

[teal axle]

great stuff as always

[stark path]

[stark path]

seems that now i have enough geometry to stop the issue

all these booksheves and cabinets

not a bug but a feature to encourage more complex furniture ✨

[urban juniper]

How to make a breakable wall? I’m using BreakableGeometry but nothing happens

Should I put it inside a wall?

[echo oyster]

Give the breakable geometry a tag

Then, right click the sector you want to be breakable

In the sector property menu there's a breakable geometry window

Put the breakable geometry tag into that window

[urban juniper]

Ok cool thanks

[urban juniper]

I want to make geomtry move. I've been using Moveable Geometry and UsableRegion but nothing happens

[echo oyster]

you're doing it wrong then

how are you using them?

[urban juniper]

Moveable geomtry, tag 10, then the geometry, Moveable geometry 109

10

Im trying to make an elevator

The sector has the same tag

[echo oyster]

Wrong channel perchance?

[echo oyster]

anyway back to this

do you have a movestate?

a script to set the move state?

any of that

[urban juniper]

I did have a movestate, but deleted it

Do I need a seperate script entity to set it up?

[echo oyster]

yes

you need a movestate

and a script

[echo oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JNUo7yUn01A

[echo oyster]

mood

[echo oyster]

cozy or dingy, watcha think?

[fiery tree]

maybe its my screen settings but i cant really tell whats on the image, a bit too dark

[tawdry parrot]

Point light intensity 2

[echo oyster]

point light intensity 2

[fiery tree]

much betta

[echo oyster]

Also looking at it on a phone, that's pretty dark

Looks much brighter on my monitor

[echo oyster]

hey uhh is this stupid bug with certain floors being a pain in the ass to select fixed in the newest editor version?

[urban juniper]

Do you make walls on a different layer

[tawdry parrot]

try going out of 3d mode and entering again.

[echo oyster]

thank you mr trey mook powell

[urban juniper]

Im trying to trigger a MoveState using a UsableRegion

[echo oyster]

how exactly are you going about this

[urban juniper]

I just figured it ouy

after compiling and testing like 50 times

literally took me hours

[main grail]

Is it possible to mod in a new goon?

Twas thinking about it

[echo oyster]

No.

[main grail]

RIP

[wanton estuary]

Is there any way for a script to repeat a SetMoveState with the correct duration?

I don't have perms to add a video or image but after the initial trigger, SetMoveState when triggered keeps being executed with a duration of 0 and it's completely broken my damn map

Main() //Ground must not be touched within the first 10.1 seconds
{
    SetMoveState(39, 0);
    SetMoveState(39, 40);
}

39 being the MovableGeometry, and 40 being the MoveState. I can't think of a workaround for my conveyor belt

they really need to update documentation with more script stuff and in-engine limitations

[wanton estuary]

nvm adding Wait(0.1) between each SetMoveState resolves this, but not the actual MovableGeometry im using this abstraction is supposed to represent

[main grail]

The good, the bad, and the palooka

[viscid tinsel]

my guy smoking AND eating a sammich at the same time

[main grail]

Very skeeled

[viscid tinsel]

built different!

[echo oyster]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qu9PulTrgd0

[echo oyster]

wouldn't be the same without some tunes

[viscid tinsel]

shoutout to the goon fucking dying in the background

[echo oyster]

that wasn't just sum goon, that was sylvester himself

[viscid tinsel]

holy shit!!!

[echo oyster]

you can even see him sitting with tony

[viscid tinsel]

oh so here they both are

[echo oyster]

where's sylvester, very fun game you can play

[viscid tinsel]

also. poor pianist

[main grail]

Hotch and heavy is mah love

Best level on the workshop

[echo oyster]

Appreciate it ya big palooka

[wanton estuary]

Does anyone remember what entities work with the Move and Look script commands?

[echo oyster]

Mike and npcs

It's pretty useless for npc's, as waypoints are better for them

Look can be kinda useful for npcs i guess

[wanton estuary]

mb, what entity do I set the Move and Look command to look at?

[fleet mica]

e

[echo oyster]

A reference point

[echo oyster]

ancient hotch n heavy

oh fuck off

embed FAIL

[frank flicker]

making a dusk inspired wave-based level

[echo oyster]

There goes tg2 💔 💔 💔

[frank flicker]

postponed

[echo oyster]

I see you're on the hooligan grindset

[frank flicker]

workshop purgatory

[echo oyster]

alos hey, how tough will this level be?

[frank flicker]

ill try keeping the enemy count similar to the one in dusk

while using similar enemies

there will be prolly like 10-15 waves

[echo oyster]

could you like elaborate for my dusk not playing ass

[frank flicker]

this fella 'ere is the black phillip, he has low health but a fast ranged attack

id say armed goon would be a good equivalent

[echo oyster]

learning

[frank flicker]

this is the leatherneck, he is quite tough, fast but melee only

he could be a good equivalent to the hood

minus the ranged attack

[echo oyster]

leatherneck (belph) is actually nannerpants thoery

[echo oyster]

also can't wait to hit some sick ass clips there

pls post some playtests some time or sumding like that

[frank flicker]

its a small map, most of the budget will go into scripting the waves

[echo oyster]

i see, i see

definetly do a lot of playtesting, maybe like host a playtest every 5 waves

it's very important for a combat map

[frank flicker]

ill keep that in mind

maybe some enemies wont fit

[echo oyster]

artistic liberty

[mighty sluice]

Hey, so does anyone know how to properly save a file? I did save mine but for some reason it didn't show on the load. I think it might've been because I saved it as a .txt file but probably not it. I dunno but according to this steam guide, saving a map should make a backup of it automatically right?

This is my first time btw

And maybe how to place doors?

[mighty sluice]

Okay so I'm starting to figure it out, but apparently according to the images on the steam guide, I still have no backup file nor the .bvh file

Nevermind figured out the backup stuff

[echo oyster]

the bvh file is automatically generated when loading into a level in game, don't worry about it

if it doesn't generate you can use the "bakebvh" console command in game

[mighty sluice]

Ohhhhh

Okay then. Thanks

[frank flicker]

is it possible to make the enemies automatically attack and know where the player is without using waypoints?

[echo oyster]

Maybe you could use the
AddAggressor and Attack script commands?

but adding a waypoiint right on top of their spawn point is probably way less hasle

[frank flicker]

yeah probably

[wanton estuary]

Does anyone know if theres a way to force lighting on entities? Alot of my level geometry is negative sectors and the lighting appears fullbright on props and enemies

Also it is infuriating that vertical textures cannot be rotated

[echo oyster]

You'd need to add normal sectors for the lighting to work

Just make all the sides fully invisivle

[median mason]

You can create invisible sectors on a separate layer that are just used for lighting

[frank flicker]

dusk farm first wave

the map is pretty barebones right now

[echo oyster]

remember to add like a lot of routes to get on top of the barn

also that faction is fucking terryfying

[frank flicker]

i reused the gianni's dick smasher map

so it can see the light of day

[echo oyster]

can't wait to playtest this

i like bashing goon skulls in

[frank flicker]

yeah dusk kinda solves that issue by having jump pads

time to get creative

[wanton estuary]

how many messages do i have to send to get image perms i wanna embed images of my wip map too :(

[echo oyster]

80 messages

[wanton estuary]

damn

[echo oyster]

you could post your images to an image sharing website like imgur and than post a link in this channel tho

[wanton estuary]

true but thats lame

I’d only do it with really big vids with streamable or catbox

[echo oyster]

why????

[wanton estuary]

i dont press any imgur links in discord myself lol

idk how those other sites look on mobile but I might try it anyway, i’d probably finish my map before i get 80 messages sent about anything

[echo oyster]

THREE HEAVY HITS ON A GOON DETECTED!!! UNOPTIMAL GAMEPLAY ALERT!!!!

[frank flicker]

bloodrustrot

[echo oyster]

you damn kids with your balanced encounters!! back in my day i ate the lead and i was thankful for it!

[wanton estuary]

Mood

[proud night]

Mook

[echo oyster]

who

[echo oyster]

hey uhh @stark path i noticed a little error in your sublime plugin thing

EnemiesAreEngaged is a condition for if statements, it shouldn't have the little dot comma thing at the end

oh and this second parameter isn't duration, it's the type of notification

0 is just normal white text

1 has red color and the little error sound

[main grail]

Code when you accidently put an upper case instead of lower case

[echo oyster]

suprisingly enough, the aces scripting isn't case sensitive

at least i don't think so

[stark path]

ooh, haven't touched that in a while

will take a look

at some point

---

i am not sure if the latest version is even working
i for sure remember that by fixing some specific cases i broke general logic of the plugin

hehe

[echo oyster]

Anyway uhh if ya fellas want to playtest hotch and heavy part 2 that'd be nice

gameplay recordings are appreciated

[echo oyster]

old BLOODRUST post

this is what malone's office used to look like btw

[crude elk]

how do i upload my level

[flint onyx]

https://youtu.be/tMco6ol2Ewc?si=ZU93bSbBNBmFXQvt&t=3680

1:01:20

[crude elk]

i just uploaded my level

thanks

i don't see it in the workshop though

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3644480643 i just made the best level ever

[echo oyster]

i swear, if i see another workshop map with x dudes and y fire axes in the title on the workshop, im gonna lose it...

[echo oyster]

this bullshit don't even work bruh 💔

you forgot the "episodes" folder

[crude elk]

signature goober incompetency

okay fine ill fix it

[crude elk]

so i pick the folder that's in the same folder as the other chapters ex. heart of glass

[echo oyster]

hell no!

so the way that your mod folder works, is that it mimics the acesdata folder

so first up you make episodes folder

than inside the "episodes" folder, you make a folder for your episode

AND then inside that folder you put the episode info and chapter and poster

[crude elk]

so i make a new episodes folder?

[echo oyster]

yeah inside of your mod folder make a folder called "episodes"

than inside of the episodes folder make another folder

and in that another folder put your level folder, episode info and poster

it goes like this

the folder with the 3644... is your mod folder