fallen-aces-modding

[normal thorn]

fallen aces moddinf

[thorny cape]

woah

its empty.

thats so sad,

[smoky pendant]

woa

[normal thorn]

fallen aces moddinf is better

[smoky pendant]

yuh

[thorny cape]

watch me have no embed perms

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-cd-sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-eggman-dr-eggman-gif-6513385627739669387

[grave parrot]

the place where it all begins

[thorny cape]

NO MY NEW HERE BADGE

[smoky pendant]

dang

😢

[tired horizon]

skibi

[echo oyster]

welcome welcome hi everyone

[blissful orbit]

YEEEESSSS

[normal thorn]

i must say it again, fallen aces moddinf

[kindred wind]

is there a dust 2 yet

[fiery tree]

Make sure you check out the currently uploaded mods on the workshop too

[silent arrow]

Mods..

[dry shale]

Wake me up when cs_office drops 😴

[normal thorn]

“modding” is simply inf-erior to “moddinf”…

[harsh mica]

Hello there!

Man, I gotta finish my level concept…

[stuck hazel]

I HAVE THINGS TOMORROW I CANNOT SPEND THE WHOLE NIGHT MAKING LEVELS AAAAH!

[harsh mica]

Thankful there is documentation now so I won’t have trouble connecting sectors & reverse sectors anymore (I hope 🙏)

[sage summit]

Hell yes

[blissful orbit]

There already is

[harsh mica]

Yeah

That’s what I said

…

The brainworms are getting to you man

[ashen sage]

AYYYYYYYYY IM MODDIN HERE

[blissful orbit]

we already know gang 😔

[hallow wagon]

go aces

[harsh mica]

HE’S MODDIN HERE!

[weary siren]

guys is this #fallen-aces-modding

[frank flicker]

when i try to install it, it doesnt show in the workshop episodes

[echo oyster]

sneak peek of a little thing im working on called BLOODRUST

[harsh mica]

You mean the editor?

[frank flicker]

fuggedabutmy post!

i think i figured it out

[harsh mica]

It’s in the “Tools” folder

[tawdry parrot]

gotta make sure ya put it in it's own "Episodes" folder before uploading.

[hybrid vigil]

can AceEd fullscreen

[fiery tree]

alt+enter

[echo oyster]

Alt+enter

[hybrid vigil]

thanks

[shadow dew]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4X9w6-sSnM

[thin tulip]

when it is updated ultrakill mobile?

[frank flicker]

take a hike, man! this is our turf!

[thin tulip]

Jsjsjsj

[hybrid vigil]

how do you drag a surface in 3d view?

[shadow dew]

select "Position" for the edit mode and also select "Y Axis Controls Height"

[hybrid vigil]

thanks

i keep trying to do unity shortcuts

[timber vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/geeked-locked-in-angry-bubu-red-bird-red-gif-13807202352659823415

[blissful orbit]

Imma throw this out to the crowd, its almost done. I just want feedback if i need to change anything or modify stuff before i post it to the workshop

(note, there are some keys in the starting area, DONT FOREGET THEM)

[jade wind]

umbutchers is great

[meager latch]

Umbutchers is cool

But personally I think the door placement and room layout could be improved a bit

[hybrid vigil]

how would yall add carpets to an area

im assuming just cut a section out and change the texture?

[shadow dew]

yeah pretty much

[shadow dew]

can you give some examples for me to take into consideration

[vague wren]

noob question: How can I try what I'm doing? I mean, "play" the map I'm making without uploading to the workshop. I think it's something quite basic and needed and I dont see it on the doc

[tawdry parrot]

Hi Cris, you'll just wanna save you map file in it's own episode folder and load it from the main menu.

[meager latch]

Alright, I'll replay the level and compare it to the official fallen aces levels

[hybrid vigil]

any way to view 3d "things" in the editor? spawned a limo but its just an icon

[tawdry parrot]

not yet

[blissful orbit]

Drat 😔

[glossy berry]

What's the correct path for AcesData if I have it on my C:drive?

[tawdry parrot]

C:\SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\Fallen Aces\AcesData

[glossy berry]

thank you! Looking forward to (trying to) make levels! Loving the game thus far

[red plank]

made a half arsed nuts.wad tribute out of necessity, i dont know when itll start showing up on the workshop

[tawdry parrot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926 official documentation guide again if anyone needs it.

[hybrid vigil]

why is there a clear button anyways

im worried ill accidentally hit it twice lmao

[shadow dew]

you can always undo

[hybrid vigil]

made a backup to test it i dont think you can undo it

[brittle rose]

Hi, I'm having trouble figuring out what i'm suppose to put into the access directory, i tried putting it in my SSD but i doesn't seem to work, what do i do?

[vague wren]

Access data path? The complete route to the AcesData folder in your game folder (you can find the route going to your "local files" of the game from Steam), for example if you have Steam in C:: C:\Steam\steamapps\common\Fallen Aces\AcesData

[brittle rose]

Tried putting in the file path but no dice, saying that “AcesData directory doesn’t exist”

Sorry I’m new to stuff like this lol

[shadow dew]

can you send a screenshot of what you put in

[tawdry parrot]

the editor automatically makes backups

[meager latch]

Alright

Got some photos for reference

I should be able to compare them to your map @shadow dew

[shadow dew]

i wonder if vriska's gonna make any workshop maps

[brittle rose]

Sorry for asking for help again but i'm following the SDK doc and it says to add thing and that assign "mike" id. The thing tab works fine but for whatever the "Thing" i create doesn't show up and i can't right click it to assign id, any idea how to fix this (Also for whatever reason page up and down don't seem to redo or undo

[shadow dew]

your things might be invisible, i remember this happening to me back when i started learning the editor

[brittle rose]

Yep lol

thx!

[rustic ocean]

📟

[shadow dew]

👍

[plucky abyss]

should do it

[vague wren]

Only ingame textures,right? Or can we add our own the same way it can be done with the music?

[meager latch]

Alright

Can't to it tonight

Laptop doesn't want to work

And has been bugging out a lot

Got some photos

But not nearly as much as I want

[misty seal]

playing the nut map.

[meager latch]

Isn't this that one user doom level?

[misty seal]

yup the iconic Nut.Wad or the fallen aces version Nut Dot Goon

tbh I'm curious now... How far does modding go for this game like can you mod a new enemy?

if so.... fuck recreate all the doom enemies for Fallen Aces lol

[shadow dew]

as of right now all you can do is add or replace textures, sounds, and levels

[meager latch]

Damn

[misty seal]

alright, maybe one day we'll get the ability to create more with it
because genuinely it be funny as fuck for someone to recreate all the doom enemies but in the fallen aces style

[meager latch]

I had some ideas about custom weapons and new mechanics

(A grossly overcomplicated 1911, a Deagle in 357, and 10 slot inventory

This should be easier than thought to make due to the code base and sdk being easily available if I'm not mistaken

[misty seal]

tbh I do hope we get more with Fallen Aces modding
due to I genuinely do enjoy the whole limited slots gameplay of fallen aces

like the whole you can't stick to one thing thru an entire level is neat

[meager latch]

Oh yeah its cool, but sometimes I like to excercise my rights and have 10 different guns on me like a REAL American

[misty seal]

pfff

[meager latch]

This is a nice feature, but I do hope that we can get mods to toggle it on and off

Not saying it should be added to the base game or should be the only way to play

But it's nice to have options sometimes

[blissful orbit]

Me too gang, have a whole list of ideas I wanna do

[steady iris]

I can't figure out how to play my level without uploading it to the Steam Workshop, is there something I'm missing?

[vague wren]

you have to put your files on the game's Episodes folder. Duplicate one of the existing ones and change what you need for your mod, then you open the game and you will see it there.

[blissful orbit]

Gang I uploaded my level to the workshop, tho I cant see it???

nvm found it

[steady iris]

Thank you!

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah make sure it's in it's own episodes folder or it won't show up in the workshop options in the episodes workshop menu,

[vague wren]

for example:

Now I only need to know an easy way to put custom textures 😅 The system to add custom sounds and music is great but I don't know for textures 🤔

[rain jolt]

FALLEN ACES MODDING!!

[blissful orbit]

your kinda late to the party their

[rain jolt]

Only 135 messages have been sent here

[fallow mortar]

i MIGHT be stupid

[tawdry parrot]

Kace test-basement and thebadeed high society you have to put your maps in an episode folder if you want to be able to select them from the epsiode select screen. I would consider reuploading your maps with these changes using the uploader.

[vague wren]

mmmm... when the documentation says Texture Package Generator... that is...where? 😅

[tawdry parrot]

It's in the Tools folder

within Texture Package Generator.

[vague wren]

oh, great. Sorry, didn't saw it.

[indigo sable]

You can set the modlist path to C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\Fallen Aces\modlist.txt

[cold current]

i need the fallen aces e1m1 on spotify 🙏

[tawdry parrot]

its on youtube. Niftysquares noir doom

[cold current]

peak

[cold current]

cant wait to see like chapter length levels

[tough moon]

congrats on releasing the editor you kings
I have two little observations:

• it looks like .2 is the default texture size, but that's like extremely small, right? I was under the impression I was making a massive space on grid 6 but its height was shorter than mike
• it looks like the grid is a little off? my textures are ever so slightly misaligned, which is apparent on this screenshot. this is an 8x8 room on grid 6 with 4 height, with texture scale .5, you can see that there's some issues

[midnight trench]

does anyone know what the .bvh file in the map folder is used for and how to create it? saving my map through AceEd only creates a .txt file

[echo oyster]

just copy a bhv file from another level and change the name to match your txt file

seems to work

not sure what it does tho

[midnight trench]

thanks!

[indigo sable]

Definitely do not do this

The BVH is a Bounding Volume Hierarchy file, it's used for rendering + lighting optimization

The game should generate one automatically when you play the map

You can also use the genbvh or bakebvh console commands to force it

[midnight trench]

gosh it works

I suspected that the .bvh things was causing the level error but I simply forgot to spawn Mike

[placid sparrow]

its been a while since scott was showing off the editor
is there advanced scripting outside place player start, make a door, place level exit trigger
and
is there documentation for the ed

[indigo sable]

The documentation is available here: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926
Scripting is limited to in-level behavior at the moment, you can't do things like gameplay scripting (i.e. custom weapons/enemies/etc)

[placid sparrow]

thanks

thats what i was looking for

[hollow citrus]

Anyone managed to get movable geometry working? I looked at the base game levels to try and see how it works but couldn't figure it out myself

[echo oyster]

lighting sure does make a difference, huh

[harsh mica]

That’s some beautiful work right there!

[cedar walrus]

is there a way to make the editor fullscreen

[echo oyster]

f1 key

[cedar walrus]

thank you

[blissful orbit]

not really, tho I will suggest using the 3d mode when doing measurements

(Thats just from me tho)

[teal axle]

also place a goon as a reference

[blissful orbit]

The Goon Unit

[cedar walrus]

how can i make a window

[teal axle]

making a small adjacent sector, then changing its ceiling/height

[cedar walrus]

thanks

[echo oyster]

profesional at work here

[brittle rose]

I'm having trouble figuring out how to save the map file, I think i accidentally saved it without putting it in the game, where do i go to find the proper file to save it in?

Actually never mind i think i got it

[blissful orbit]

FINALLY Its fixed

[echo oyster]

man, i love point lights!

they do all the work for ya!

[echo oyster]

i'll be checkin this out for sure

[blissful orbit]

I still am developing it (mainly on the car park area)

Question, How would one say relocate the meredith? (in terms of the cutscene) I just cant get it to work for whatever reason

[vague wren]

Noob question (again): I guess it's an event but... how to end the map? 😅

[echo oyster]

place down a reference point in the place where you want the meredith to relocate, tag said reference point, put in the the tag in the nighmobile's properties under "relocate for driveoff"

[echo oyster]

there are two ways to end the map

the easiest way is by placing down the nightmobile, which automatically ends the level when it's interacted with

the level can also be ended using scripts

[echo oyster]

EndLevel();

[vague wren]

thanks!

[brittle rose]

Just finished reading the Documentation, how do i load a level i've created to playtest it? I think i messed up the save (Though i can load it in the editor just fine)

[vague wren]

Go to your game files and duplicate an existing episode changing the new one for your modding needs 🙂

[teal axle]

how do light states work? cant seem to get them to work

[blissful orbit]

Any ideas?

cause for some reason these arnt working

[echo oyster]

i just spent 10 minutes going insane cuz my code wasn't working, and then i realised i misspelled "neautralised" as "neutralized" because that's how it is spelt in polish

truly a ball clenching moment

BLOODRUST preview 2

[blissful orbit]

I remember the days when it was just a bunch of boxes with the default texture 👴

[tawdry parrot]

Okay so let me explain some details we accidentally left out of the documentation. In order for your maps to work they must be saved in this format. You need to save your game within the episodes folder then name the folder whatever your episode will be. I chose "Wiseguy" you then make a subfolder in that folder where you put your map file. If you don't follow these steps you won't be able to pull up your map in the episode select screen, it will show up blank instead.

[tawdry parrot]

Look at other maps that do work and see how the are correctly set up.

[tawdry parrot]

YOOO skacky! Hell yeah.
I typically put default texture size at either 1 or 2.
I've never noticed the unaligned ceiling textures before. I'll keep note of that.
For walls you can use the texture autoalign tool, which you select walls from left to right. It dosen't align floors however but you can just reset it's alignment by settings their X,Y, offsets to 0

[meager latch]

Will this be added to the documentation soon?

Or will the poor saps who aren't in the discord have to learn the hard way?

[strange tangle]

im not sure if im just stupid or not, but none of the things are showing up

[wind prism]

hey, so I noticed that you can replace sprites and sounds that aren't in the folders by default (gun sounds for example). Can you do the same for enemy sprites?

[tawdry parrot]

No, as explained before you cannot replace enemy sprites yet. You can replace sprites for props however.

[tawdry parrot]

Steam guide

[strange tangle]

oh wait i think i figured it out

[wind prism]

ah, I see. Guessing that goes for viewmodel ones as well. Voicelines too?

I apologise if it's been answered before

[warped rain]

like play it in the game or what?

[shadow dew]

yeah

[tawdry parrot]

had it toggled off I bet

[strange tangle]

nah i just though that the search menu brought up a list of stuff to place, but it just shows all the things in your map

[warped rain]

when I save my maps they don't create those backup folders immediately as is mentioned in the document

should I create those manually or should I not worry for now since I'm only experimenting?

[tawdry parrot]

It will do it when you start the map

[warped rain]

oh well my problem for now is that I can't load the episode that I created for my maps in game

like when I click on it, it just gets big and brings me nowhere

[tawdry parrot]

You probably didn't set up your folders correctly as I mentioned above. If you don't have them set up properly they won't show up in epsiode select screen.

[tawdry parrot]

THIS ^^

[median mason]

Backups are created when you overwrite a map file

[echo oyster]

these fellas ain't as nice as you might believe

[wind prism]

don't really think that texture fits the ceiling

[echo oyster]

i kinda see that

i'kll change it

[echo oyster]

yea y'know what it looks way better now i think

[wind prism]

👍

[echo oyster]

thanks lad

[wind prism]

bloodrust 'bout to be lit

[blissful orbit]

Indeed

[ebon sigil]

I feel so dumb here and there’s most likely one major thing that I’m completely missing but I’ve got an episodes folder and the sub folder where the level goes inside it but yet still the episode pulses the gets big when clicked on

[warped rain]

well the thing is that the episode shows up in episode list it's just when I click at it nothing happens, no chapters list appears, I checked the folders several times comparing them to guide and I don't think there's anything wrong there, but at this point it's too late here so I'll come back to it tomorrow and see what I missed

[tawdry parrot]

did you make sure that your chapterinfo is correct?

Your chapter info needs the be the same name as your map file

[ebon sigil]

Now it works thank you so much

[tough moon]

ah, good to know. is there a reason why .2 is the default or is it a bug?
I haven't played a lot with doombuilder because sector mapping kind of breaks my brain, but what I like a lot with it is that you get metrics while you draw linedefs. any chance of having this for aced too?

[warped rain]

probably that's the thing I'll check on it later and huge thanks for being so helpful

[tawdry parrot]

I'm not entirely sure. I think it's just one of those things we meant to change eventually but never did. I think at one point the editor did show you how long your linedefs were when dragging them but I could be misremembering when we were still using doombuilder. But not a bad idea. The key to more advanced mapping that people will slowly figure out is the layer system. Rather than having very blocky Doom style maps, the layer system and inverted sectors can allow for more complicated map geometry.

We are looking into perhaps having prefab systems for saving shapes importing them into other maps. For example a building or a piece of furniture.

[tough moon]

oh that sounds neat. I tried making a rug with inverted sectors a few hours ago and couldn't figure it out lol

[wind prism]

oooh, that sounds like a great QoL feature

[tough moon]

hey here's another question, would it be possible to add top-down view dragging with the mouse somehow? (for example holding left click)

[tawdry parrot]

https://tenor.com/view/taking-notes-spongebob-patrick-write-that-down-gif-15192071970301164039

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah basically the way inverted sectors work is just making a sector and dragging the ceiling below the floor. It then makes it a 3d shape rather than a room shape.

[tough moon]

haha sorry I'm a huge pain in the dick when it comes to editor UX

[tawdry parrot]

Naw, the editor is an early WIP so we are looking a feedback from people. You obv have a lot of experience working with map editors that are clunky. DromED sems like a nightmare.

Documentation will be expanded upon in the future as well.

[tough moon]

I'm going to play around a bit more and compile a little list I think

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah, Certainly. That would be great. Just send me a DM the list.

[tough moon]

found a bug: using stretch on a surface isn't undone when you undo, and it can also corrupt other surfaces if you have multiple selected (like reverting to the default texture)

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah. That's been a known oversight.

[onyx rampart]

Hey boss, the editor takes me back to making Duke3D maps back in the 90s.

This game is begging for a mod based on The Shadow...

[blissful orbit]

Gang, how the FUCK do you set up levels for the workshop 😭

Like I cant get it to work FOR SHIT

I have the right hierarchy and everything

[onyx rampart]

I just want to make a shadow mod for proof of concept that just modifies the hud/sound. where is a good starting point for this?

[tawdry parrot]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1SOrvt40jvKH5q_q5Z6tRbVq7W-dCM5W5kkghOdSy5fw/edit?tab=t.0#heading=h.p67ufo9y2hv9 Read the documentation. Your folders have to be set up like this exactly or they won't show up in episode select. You should be able to select your level from epiosde select to test before uplaoding to make sure it works. Once you are sure it does, then try reuploading.

[blissful orbit]

Imma just copy it word for word

Is it fine if I have nothing in Audio or Textures???

[tawdry parrot]

If you have no audio or textures just leave it as episodes, you won't need texture packages or audio folders if you aren't adding any new sounds or textures. Your episode folder should be named High Society. So it would be High Society\High Society\High Society the second folder is where you put your episodeinfo and poster, the last folder is where you will place your map file and chapterinfo and loading screen image.

[blissful orbit]

Thanks for clearing that up, you're a real one

[shadow dew]

WOAH

had a mini heart attack just then

i have some ideas for levels in mind

[blissful orbit]

I cant wait to play them

[tawdry parrot]

and obv make sure your custom episode folder is placed in the Episodes folder. Let me know if it shows up in the episode select screen,

[blissful orbit]

Didn't work 😔

[tawdry parrot]

Post a zip of your episode folder here. I will look at it.

[blissful orbit]

Please do Gang 🙏 I'm ass at this

[blissful orbit]

Wait it does work?

[tawdry parrot]

So you need to add this line to your chapter info. Needs to be the same as your map name. And you need to rename your map name as one word.

[blissful orbit]

Thats it?

[tawdry parrot]

That's it.

[blissful orbit]

thank you for helping me out on this, I'm a fucking idiot 😅

[tawdry parrot]

No, now use that knowledge to help out others with their maps.

[blissful orbit]

Will do trey 🫡

[ornate laurel]

Yo

[harsh mica]

Hey Trey, how do you usually use layers when making a map? Do you separate things using them by areas of the map, by the height you are working on or perhaps both? I’m wondering where the balance is between having too much on one that’s it’s difficult to edit or having too many layers that it’s difficult to navigate in the editor.

[echo oyster]

real vibey

[fiery tree]

Both and more

Im not Trey but i think i can answer anyway

layers are the bread and butter of working with anything that can realistically overlap

[echo oyster]

well this is concerning

[ashen sage]

where da maps at boss

I heard we got em maps

[shadow dew]

soon.........

[ebon sigil]

Hey uh I might be stupid but for the life of me I don’t know why my patrol isn’t working I set up the two way points their both set to reset for the action on arrival and I even placed a goon near one of them but yet he’s just standing there

Menacingly

[hollow citrus]

I got patrols to work by giving the patrol waypoints a tag and setting the NPC's "follow on spawn" setting to that corresponding tag

[ebon sigil]

Ooooh I’ll try that

Did you give the npc both waypoint tags or just 1?

[hollow citrus]

all of the waypoints on one patrol have the same tag, and you just assign that tag to the NPC follow on spawn thingy

[ebon sigil]

Oooooooh

Alright I adjusted it and am seeing if it works right now

YEEEES HES MOVING

THANK YOU, YOU ARE A LIFE SAVER

[hollow citrus]

haha np, it took me some messing to figure it out

[ebon sigil]

I bet

Hey do you also know how to get notes to work?

Like I had it where a note pickup connected to a note thing but nothing happened

[hollow citrus]

Nah I haven't looked at notes yet really

[ebon sigil]

Dang

Thanks anyway you were still a big help

[hollow citrus]

npnp

[teal axle]

every chapter's folder has a notes folder, check any of them and use it as a template

[ebon sigil]

Oooooooh I think I get it

I got it to work

I copied one of the notes from one of the chapters then put it in my own notes folder in my episode folder then took a notes prop connected it to a notes thing then put the location of my notes into the path section of the notes thing then connected the notes prom and notes thing with an event

[hybrid vigil]

How would one go about making just a simple texture/sound replacement mod

[wind prism]

that's funny because I'm neglecting studying for tmrw's finals to figure out a way to mod voicelines

[humble bramble]

Was having the same issue for a while and was just able to solve it, pretty sure it was just that i capitalized some words in the chapterInfo document (world_file_name, specifically)

[indigo sable]

Find where the sound you want to replace is in the AcesData folder, for example: AcesData/Audio/Sounds/Train.ogg
Then in your mod, you just put your replacement in the same location: MyMod/Audio/Sounds/Train.ogg

The documentation goes into a bit more detail: https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926

[mystic junco]

fucking based. me and dusk mapping

[hybrid vigil]

I haven’t really modded games before so should I copy the game folder to make the mod or just the folder that I need (like the Audio folder)

Or make a new one with just the same names

[shadow dew]

you can just make new ones with the same names

[indigo sable]

You only need to put your replacement files in your mod, no need to copy the existing files

The only requirement is that your mod folder has the same structure

i.e. if the original is in Audio/Folder1/Folder2, your replacement is also under Audio/Folder1/Folder2 in your mod

[hybrid vigil]

Thanks

[echo oyster]

I wonder what enemy is gonna be located in the next room

subtle foreshadowing

[indigo sable]

sharks

[gleaming monolith]

I love that i can see people reading SDK documentation on google docs

Cant wait to play "100 goon vs 1 detective" and "pov: toilet goon experience" mapss

I shouldn't give away such good ideas

[blissful orbit]

Too late

Imma do those now

After I'm done with testing

[teal axle]

with copy and pasted sectors i've only managed to do that by snapping their vertex to the ones of an alligned sector

[echo oyster]

peak has been released to the FA workshop
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3492297648&searchtext=

[manic ermine]

Does anybody have any idea if it's possible to mod walk/running sounds? I can't find them anywhere in AcesData.

[tawdry parrot]

no. Impossible at the moment

[vague wren]

suddenly the number of hours "playing" Fallen Aces is increasing a lot 🤣

[tawdry parrot]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3492340645&searchtext= new shitpost map up.

[teal axle]

how do you make these so fast

[cobalt cosmos]

So were the cars in the game made with the level editor, or are they prefab 3D objects made outside of it?

Cuz if they're made in the editor fuck me that's a lot of work and I have no clue how it would actually be done.

[tawdry parrot]

The cars are 3d models

[cobalt cosmos]

So it's possible to import 3D models then?

[tawdry parrot]

No currently no. You can place already existing models in your maps however.

[cobalt cosmos]

Oh so they're in there already? How do I find them?

[tawdry parrot]

Under the models tab

[cobalt cosmos]

Y'know... I'm kinda dumb LOL

Thanks lol

One more question, is it possible to "unlock" the angles for slopes? Or are they stuck being 8 directional?

[tawdry parrot]

Currently it's only 8 directions. I've been begging Jason to add more but it's what we got so it's what you'll have to work with.

[cobalt cosmos]

Okie dokie 👍

[teal axle]

trying to get light states working but cant seem to make them work

this is how I have it set up right now, used the metro flicker one as a reference

am I missing somethingg?

[tawdry parrot]

Did you set up a script in your scripts folder?

[teal axle]

yup, its basically copied and pasted from another folder

[tawdry parrot]

You picked a way more advanced type of thing to do right off that bat. But you are missing a few things

You need a script
A script in your scripts folder
A light state obj
A dynamically lit geo thing
And two color thing obs

[cedar walrus]

i love g day

[teal axle]

i do too

[teal axle]

oooh i've just checked and for sure missed those things, ty trey!

been messing around with the editor from the beta testing but i should be focusing on other stuff for sure 😔

[tawdry parrot]

If you look in the metro area where the gangsters are standing under some chandliers, all the objs for flickering lights are their for reference until I make a tutorial on that at some point.

[teal axle]

yeah just realized that, was checking the other light state near the dark hound ad so didnt see the rest of the stuff

[ebon sigil]

Hey yall dumb question but how do I add furniture stuff like Tables, Desks, couches things like that?

[teal axle]

thats the fun part, you make them

[manic ermine]

Aw man. Thanks anyways!

[teal axle]

you either start from one sector then use the layering system to overlap another one, or just start in another layer

all you need to know is that if you make a sector's ceiling lower than its floor you get a 3D shape

[ebon sigil]

Hmm alright thank ya I’ll take a crack at it

I did it and it actually doesn’t look that bad

[cedar walrus]

is there a way to beat g day

[tawdry parrot]

Not currently. Just a shitpost map rn

[cedar walrus]

cool

[brittle rose]

Hey everyone I’m playing around with the level editor, any tips on making good looking buildings?

I got the inverted sector down but don’t know to to make textures that look good

Would also like to know how I could possibly move it’s position horizontally so I can place it freely

[tawdry parrot]

I should make a tutorial on how to make buildings less DOOMY. My advise is to use multiple layers and build buildings like a layered cake and also not make em so square. Each layer you wanna stack em with different textures to make em look distinct. Now some textures work well with ones that look similar. There are some brick textures that share similar colors and stuff that blend well with eachother where as some textures clash. It's all abnout figuring which ones don't look ugly.

[brittle rose]

I see, I was just making a single rectangle but using multiple layers for floors sounds like a good idea. Hate to ask another question how but how do I make an interior for an apartment?

[tawdry parrot]

If ya look at this chart. Most buildings I make 3 layers, bottom, middle and top. All different but using textures that work together. Throw in a sloped edge on the top, maybe cut out some holes in the bottom will make it look way more 3d rather than looking like a cereal box.

As for an apartment interior. I would suggest with making a square room. Adding some doors and closets, maybe a window. Some furniture.

[harsh mica]

Is cutting holes in inverted sectors something covered in the documentation?

[tawdry parrot]

It is as simple as cutting a hole.

[harsh mica]

I see

Now I think about it my question was so stupid considering I even checked Mike’s apartment to see how the window was put there

[warped rain]

will check on that, thx for helping

[warped rain]

it was partially the problem, I just copied the text from steam guides manual for it
turns out not only were the letters capitalized but also it used those "fancy" quotation marks instead of simple ones
huge thanks for help!!

[meager latch]

Fellas

I've had a terrible thought

How long do you think it'll take to get mods that involve other types of gooning

[blissful orbit]

No you FOOL, YOU'VE DOOMED US ALL

[echo oyster]

need a knife wielding hood dating sim pronto

why he ourple

[meager latch]

Alright, looks like they're not being sent

Weird

I'll do them one at a time

Wrong chat

[ebon sigil]

Is there a way to electrify things or make something shock you if you touch them?

[echo oyster]

Based off what ive seen when snooping around the official levels, some decals have an electrify property

Pretty sure i saw it on a puddle in chapter 1, in the elevaror room

[ebon sigil]

Ooooh

Yep found it

[cedar walrus]

im gonna make dios mansion

oh gosh how do i make stairs😭

should I just do a bunch of tiny sectors for stairs

[shadow dew]

yeah

[cedar walrus]

thanks

[cloud glen]

aaaa

[lament haven]

boss im havin dis problem with my map, it shows up in the episodes menu but clickin it doesnt load the map or the chapter selection. I think the file structure is right (AcesData -> Episodes -> CustomEpisode -> CustomChapter) I made a 2nd test episode to test the process and got the same result so i musta messed something up making the chapter folder or something on the map itself but sure as gods got sandals i can't see it

Order = 0;
world_file_name = “Wake.txt”;``` my chapter info is just the three lines straight from the doc, Wake.txt is the exact name of the map

[lament haven]

also im not trying to upload the map or anything, im just trying to get the map to show up so i can playtest

[tawdry parrot]

hmmm, are your sure your map has a Mike thing in it?

[exotic meadow]

those who mod 💀

[echo oyster]

You cant be serious right now

[blissful orbit]

Seriously 😑

[harsh mica]

How does one connect a sector inside of a reverse sector to the “outside”
Every time I do that the connection I make overlaps badly…

[echo oyster]

i keep having this error appear whenever i try to use the sprite packer, any ideas what's up?

[lament haven]

sure does boss, from the Wake.txt Thing // 0 { layer = 0; x = -2.5625; y = 0; z = 0.9375; definition_id = 13484; height = 0; angle = 270; }

[lament haven]

i can't post screenshots but its just Mike standing in a boxy room by himself, not colliding with anything or recessed into the floor or ceiling that i can tell

[teal axle]

you gotta make sure you select the folder itself, it wont work if you're doing it inside of the folder

[teal axle]

if you could send any photos cause im not sure what you mean

[harsh mica]

I think i managed to do it in shitty way I won't be able to replicate reliably

I'll haev to fix this though

[ebon sigil]

Why does my light switch decal keep disappearing? I’m just trying to make a normal light switch ya turn it on light turns but the light switch decal itself keeps disappearing whenever I enter the level to test it

[echo oyster]

fixed it, thanks for the advice

let's take a moment to appreciate the scale goons who allow us to make maps that don't look shit

[tawdry parrot]

You have to set it to be attached to a wall. Make sure it's facing the driection of the wall.

[ebon sigil]

Just did it and it did appear thank you so much

Hey uh quick question if I want my level to be dark do I have to use the fog density setting?

[echo oyster]

Adjust the sector color, use fog

Negative brightness offset's there too

[teal axle]

it should connect right away if you are in the same layer, thats weird

[harsh mica]

It’s not the same layer

Maybe that’s why

After all it is one thing in another, having them on the same layer would be difficult to work with

[ebon sigil]

Thank you I definitely need to tweak things a little to get things right but yeah I now have darkness

[teal axle]

i found out by using the "set layer" option you can set different sectors to different layers whilst being connected still

but sometimes it works sometimes it doesnt rlly

[harsh mica]

This may be the solution

[teal axle]

it should leave a green edge when the map cuts to another layer

[tawdry parrot]

Correct, also turn sector brightness down. Darker it is, the more it will hide Mike

[teal axle]

does it need to be pitch black to be hidden and not partially hidden?

[tawdry parrot]

If you want to hide it has to be pitch black. If it's just dark you will only be partially hidden.

[teal axle]

fair enough makes sense

[median blade]

have they added the ability to add custom entities/weapons or no?

[regal dirge]

im having some issues getting the map im making to show up in the menu

ive followed the instructions in the doc but i cant seem to get it to pop up

[plush sinew]

goon for scale

[echo oyster]

How could i add an after level screen, like the one in chapter 5?

[manic ermine]

Don’t think so unfortunately

[shadow dew]

if you mean one like the thank you for playing screen, you can't

[echo oyster]

aww, damn it

[bitter crater]

finally modding, yalla

[spice halo]

I figured that out eventually, thank you. I'm doing this half on a linux install and half on a busted windows laptop, so I was already fighting paths. Also didn't realize yet I could test locally. lol appreciate it.

[soft surge]

ok, where i can download the maps from the workshop?

i subscribe to one map but i can't find it on my pc

[indigo sable]

You subscribe, then the Steam client will download the map automatically. The next time you launch the game you can play the map from the workshop menu

[soft surge]

oh that's it? ok i see to play FA and understand where should be

ooooh i've found it!

uhm... why there are some missing texture?

[indigo sable]

could be an issue with the map

[soft surge]

so, how can i find the missing texture?

[indigo sable]

you can't

it's a problem with the actual map

[soft surge]

ah gotcha 👌

Man i start to love this doom map , impressive the work you made here trey

[median blade]

thats a default sky box im pretty sure
the maps still high quality though

might make a version of it myself

[echo oyster]

yea that's the point, he's playing a version which uses exclusively FA textures

there's also one with doom textures

[median blade]

yes ik

[soft surge]

and here is System Shock, not bad!

[echo oyster]

so why are ya bringing attention to the default skybox?

[median blade]

i thought that they thought the skybox was custom

[echo oyster]

uhh why would you think that

they did not mention that at all, they just said the map looked good

[median blade]

no idea tbh

I guess because the image was pointing through a window at the skybox??

[echo oyster]

might have just been admiring the view

[soft surge]

i know is the usual skybox, i was just amazed by the breath taking view from the map

[median blade]

ah

yeah makes sense

[soft surge]

i am usually in the dirty streets of Umburgh but from that place? Is a wonderfull location

[grave veldt]

Ayy, question. Is there a way to make the editor fullscreen or at least larger? I have a high-resolution monitor so the tools themselves are very small

[blissful orbit]

There's a shortcut or something, I forgot what it was tho

[grave veldt]

Ah, alrighty

I'll try and snoop around for it

[echo oyster]

f1

[grave veldt]

Thanks!

[echo oyster]

[echo oyster]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3494382380

[ebon sigil]

Hey uh so how do I end my level?

[manic ermine]

Just finished it. Good work man!

[teal axle]

you either have a meredith or use the EndLevel(); function with a script and trigger it

[ebon sigil]

Ok thanks for your help

[ebon sigil]

What’s a Meredith?

[manic ermine]

Nightwave's car. It's listed as "Nightmobile" in the things menu.

[ebon sigil]

Ooooh

Would this work?

Main()
{

EndLevel()

}

[teal axle]

with ; at the end i guess it would yeah

[teal axle]

think you can only rotate textures on floors and ceilings

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah you can't rotate wall textures...yet

[teal axle]

that and more slope angles would be life saving

praying 🙏

[tawdry parrot]

You and me both. But it takes time.

[teal axle]

yeah i get that

you can pretty much still make anything with the editor right now so

[void shell]

episodeinfo:

title = "RainDogs";
priority = 0;

chapterinfo:

Title = “Rain Dogs”;
Order = 0;
World_file_name = “RainDogs.txt”;

all there laid out nice and pretty, wrapped with a bow for ya boss @tawdry parrot

[tawdry parrot]

Can ya see if you can upload the map txt? if not just DM to me.

[void shell]

will do

cant upload, will dm

[teal axle]

wouldnt he need the always unlocked line?

[tawdry parrot]

We got it fixed.

[blissful orbit]

Idk if you'd need that unless you have multiple levels in one mod

[vestal musk]

what determines the sound of footsteps and hit particles of textures?

[tawdry parrot]

It's based on what material it is. Wood, Grass, Carpet, Concrete, Metal, tile and Glass. And I believe metal and tile make slightly more noise because enemies can hear footsteps.

So if you want a texture to have a glass effect, you wanna save it in a glass folder

[teal axle]

does that also work for the glass effect when breaking?

also is there any way to have a weapon spawn with no ammo?

[tawdry parrot]

I don't think so. And yeah if a breakable geo sector is set to glass or metal, wood etc it will produce those sounds and particles.

[potent ivy]

Is there a good texture for metal bars?

[tawdry parrot]

theres one called subars or something that's good

or subgate

[potent ivy]

ay thanks boss

[teal axle]

oooo cant wait to see what youre making

[potent ivy]

working on something based on the game pigface
played the new demo that came out yesterday and felt inspired

[teal axle]

no way

pigface's great

[sudden glade]

New channel 👀

[vestal musk]

I keep custom textures in a separate folder to find them faster. If I name subfolders inside this folder like "_Wood", "_Concrete" etc. will it work or does it only work with default folders?

[tawdry parrot]

That might work?

[ebon sigil]

End of what?

Nevermind got it to work

[compact helm]

How i add money in my level?

[blissful orbit]

Loot

[echo oyster]

"don't get carried away with details" yea but antenna.

[compact helm]

Thanks

[echo oyster]

oooo new custom level

BLOODRUST'S first room looked shit, so I updated it

[potent ivy]

oh that looks much better now

[echo oyster]

how do i add checkpoints to my map?

(without adding objectives)

[echo oyster]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3494382380 BLOODRUST small update

[tawdry parrot]

Lookin great

Maybe some power boxes n stuff on the walls?

[echo oyster]

ya, good idea boss

some wires and crap would be nice

[echo oyster]

ooooo that's creepy

[potent ivy]

ty

[void shell]

when i copy and paste a sector, how can i join them together so the lines between them are blue?

a solution is just to make the walls see through but i was wondering if there is another solution?

[tawdry parrot]

Just make a linedef over a linedef

[void shell]

line... def?

[tawdry parrot]

A line

called a linedef

[potent ivy]

making this level has taught me that uh
i am not very good at making kitchens

[echo oyster]

wow ok what the hell is up with that counter texture, ya gotta scale that properly

[potent ivy]

is it not supposed to be tiles

[echo oyster]

Ooops used the wrong word, I was talking about those drawers

[potent ivy]

oh
yeah u right
holdon

old texture was being a pain in my ass so i just swapped it out
how does it look now

[echo oyster]

yea that looks more normal

[potent ivy]

coolio

[stark path]

I'm trying to do elevators, I did figure out movable platform, but how do i move the elevator door as well? It doesn't have movable geometry property

[vestal musk]

How do navigation meshes work so goons can jump over obstacles and chase the player more effectively? I tried to figure it out myself, using the first episode where they can jump into windows and from/to roof as a template, but I still don't get it.

[vestal musk]

Looks like I got it right, it was just too high in some places and too complex geometry in others for patchfinding to work correctly. Now i have to redo the map 😫

[echo oyster]

fallen aces level creating attire

[tawdry parrot]

Doors should move on movable geometry as long as it's touching the floor.

[tawdry parrot]

Navmesh should work by placing a navmesh link and setting the proper point distance and offset, you have to set the movement type and wether it's two way or not.

[stark path]

does it matter whether it's standard sector or inverted?

[tawdry parrot]

Movable geo should pretty much always be inverted.

[stark path]

hmm, weird, moved the door around a few more times and now it works. maybe it didn't touch the floor good enough

[meager latch]

"Ay tone, how ya gonna cook gabagool on this hunk-a-junk"

But in all seriousness it looks alright

Suggest making it a bit more 3D

There should be a counter top on the drawers that juts out slightly

and there should be some hanging drawers too

[potent ivy]

https://tenor.com/view/noted-black-guy-thug-shaker-discord-caption-gif-25597417

[meager latch]

Remember, it's ok to look at irl inspiration for stuff

so have like a stack of plates and a few cups on te counter

adds feelings of life

[tawdry parrot]

I got thousands and thousands of references photos I've saved over the years.

[blissful orbit]

Question, How do you set up stuff for like moving cars and such (moving geometry)

[meager latch]

I'd recommend checking the second and last levels with their moving trains. Take that and reverse engineer it.

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah, you gotta use a movestate thing and movable geometry and set a script. You set the pars of the script to that of your tagged things.

Set your sectors movable geo tag. Movable geo tag should be same as your sector. Then you need two move states for when it isn't and is moving. Then your script

// Controls the train passing by at the start.
Main()
{
// Make sector .
SetMoveState(76, 78);

// Wait a while, then trigger this script again.
Wait(15);
SetMoveState(76, 77); // Reset the train.
Wait(1);
TriggerEvent(49);}

[hallow wagon]

it's genuinely so fun to read y'all's messages aloud like this in a new england accent sometimes

ily aces

[stark path]

it stopped working right after i said that. I also noticed that if i put a prop on top of the platform, it doesn't move with the platform.

Both door and prop are on the same layer as platform and they have height mode 'offset from floor' with height 0 so I assume they do touch the floor

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah they have to touch the floor.

[stark path]

can i somehow double check that door indeed touches the floor (like maybe in editor ui or in level txt file)? it looks like it does but things still do not move 😬

[echo oyster]

yummy rat infested apples

[tawdry parrot]

Not really. Just make sure they are sitting on your moving platform. Look at other elevators in game as examples.

[stark path]

yeah, i spend my evenings lookin at the apartment elevator in chapter 1

[teal axle]

professional elevator observer

do they just stay in place?

[stark path]

yes that's me

platform is moving, things on top of it don't. sometimes platform doesn't move as well, but instead there is phantom black platform moving

i've been looking too long and going mad basically

[teal axle]

that literally happened to me the first time i tried moving geometry

it would work the first time on game launch, then it would refuse to work properly

[stark path]

exactly

[teal axle]

but i have no idea why that happens

[stark path]

i really expected "but then i solved everything"

[teal axle]

sadly not 😔

ill test some things out now that im at it

[teal axle]

it would be kinda nice to have a load recent tab

[teal axle]

yeah im not sure whats going on considering ive just made a train with no issues on my other level

[past ravine]

how exactly do i detail my rooms more for example

i should read the rest of the guide before asking stuff like this tbh

[echo oyster]

so a good start is making sure that your room has an interesting shape to it, instead of being a basic ass rectangle

you can make a rectangle, than add on more vertices and move them around to get petrusions or indentations

you can add some windows and doors too

than add some furniture using inverted sectors

and some props and decals too

[past ravine]

oh ok ty

im just experimenting rn

to get fundamentals down

[past ravine]

though it could depend on buildinmg

[echo oyster]

i mean there are exceptions of course, just some general tips

[past ravine]

aight sounds gud

[vestal musk]

What do t/b and l/r mean in cutting tool? I'll assume Top/Bottom and Left/Right but I still don't understand how they differ

I'm probably blind but it's like they're doing the same thing

[teal axle]

the lines supporting the cut sector either go top to bottom or left to right depending on what you select

[past ravine]

sounds good

[past ravine]

how would i get around to doing that

im pretty clueless

[echo oyster]

Use the draw verticises tool to add them, then use the select tool and right click to drag them around

[past ravine]

sounds gud

ty

ill check it out

OHHHH

SO THATS HOW IT WORKS

[compact helm]

https://tenor.com/view/bang-head-on-table-gif-5187162

[compact helm]

Me trying to follow the instructions paceful, before became nervous

[past ravine]

how do i turn a thing into mike?

im clicking on the mike thing type

[teal axle]

close that window

[past ravine]

oh shit ty

LOL

[teal axle]

ik lmao

[past ravine]

you click on the smaller windows x ok

[tawdry parrot]

The reason this is most likley happening is because you didn't make the sector an inverted one. So it's just a moving room.

[echo oyster]

I'd be nice to have a big palooka with halfed health for custom levels. Using the current version in any interesting way is really difficult, as fighting him is just tedious

Not sure if there's a way to do that currently tho

[knotty rock]

anybody know how to even do something in fallen aces level editor

i dont know what to do from the starting point

[echo oyster]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926

[knotty rock]

ty

[tawdry parrot]

I mean he's a mini boss that was only used once. Not really a canon fodder enemy.

[verbal shoal]

how do I even spawn mike in?

[tawdry parrot]

Things>Mike

[verbal shoal]

yeah but when I load into my map, the map doesn't load in and shows me a black screen

[tawdry parrot]

You have to make sure you have a sector that he is in. Can't place him in a blank map. Also the sector has to be thee right size.

[verbal shoal]

yeah he's on solid ground

is there a certain size that I need to spawn into the map?

[tawdry parrot]

I needs to be bigger than his hit box.

If the rooms height is too small it prob look weird.

[verbal shoal]

oh fuck I just realised you are john fallen aces 💀

the developer I mean

[tawdry parrot]

Placing Mike is simple as this.

[verbal shoal]

just realised that I never actually saved the level before testing...

can't believe I goofed up in front of the developer of Fallen Aces 😭🥀

[void shell]

loving rust so far

[echo oyster]

Thank ya, if ya want to help with it's development consider recording your gameplay and posting it here

Seeing how people play the thing would help a ton with balancing and future level design

[void shell]

i would have to dm, i dont have that privilege yet ya mook

[echo oyster]

Yea that's good too

[void shell]

btw, do you implement the "item spawn in difficulty" thing?

[echo oyster]

Yup, a little bit of extra health

One or two enemies got removed on easier diffs

[void shell]

all done boss

[void shell]

is there anyway to see the coordinates in the editor?

i want to place something down but it must be semmetrical

[teal axle]

i dont think so

but you can check edge lengths

[teal axle]

that makes sense, but i thought just swapping up the heights would make it inverted?

[stark path]

that was my understanding as well. In the docs it says "You may also wonder what happens if we make the ceiling have a higher height than the floor, or if we drag the ceiling beyond the floor in 3d view (and vice versa). This creates an inverted sector"

[echo oyster]

that's literally how you make an inverted sector

if it doesn't work you must have fucked something up

[teal axle]

not much to fuck up when its a cube i guess

[jovial shoal]

S

[vestal musk]

There is also a button that instantly swaps the height of the ceiling and floor, so you can make an inverted sector in one click.

[ebon sigil]

What the hell is the name of that like hay texture that’s used in opened boxes?

[echo oyster]

Straw

[ebon sigil]

Thank you

[teal axle]

is there any function to make something unusable after use?

[next stream]

Hey Im trying to make a simple room but something that keeps happening thats annoying is I click ona thing I've added, try to move it, and stuck in a limbo where I can't unselect the movement box in the options

does anyone have any tips

[next stream]

Also how do I just delete objects?

I feel really dumb having to undo everything just the fix the sector

[sage summit]

del key

[next stream]

Really?

I tried that and it didnt work...

Also how do I make a ceiling texture be seen on both sides?

[next stream]

Also can you some how auto size the textures?

Been trying to change this texture to fit but its been not sizing correctly.

[teal axle]

selecting a face and pressing stretch should work, otherwise youll have to set the scale manually

if you got one face with the right scale you can also make all your selections the same scale with the auto align one

just make sure you select from left to right with the one scaled first

[teal axle]

im not sure if thats possible, why would you want to do that?

[next stream]

Trying to make a desk model

[next stream]

THAT WORKS AMAZINGLY THANK YOUUU

[next stream]

Made a little level but I can't seem to save it correctly

does anyone know how to turn it into a actual level the guide kinda tells me but not sure

[next stream]

Is it the save data is put wrong in the direct I put on AceEd?

like I have no clue what Im doing wrong

[teal axle]

check how the other levels are set up, youuu need a chapter info file

i would actually recommend making another episode folder just for your maps

[teal axle]

thats when you need to use inverted sectors

[vestal musk]

Deselect an item/area/whatever it is ~ key

So every time you're done interacting and editing something, just hit ~

[tawdry parrot]

https://youtu.be/tMco6ol2Ewc Okay made a beginners tutorial for people who want to know how make a basic map, saving it, testing and uploading and general basic overview.

[echo oyster]

Power couple

(yes that's why bloodrust part 2 still hasn't started development yet)

[viscid tinsel]

tempted to do a joke a certain bot won't like

[echo oyster]

that's why we invented analogies lad

dumbass shitass bot is too stupid to get it

[viscid tinsel]

i hope these two end up living a beautiful afterlife together once they're fucking dead as totally fully platonic friends who were roommates

is that clear

[echo oyster]

yes

[viscid tinsel]

yay

[echo oyster]

i sure hope that they get a good rest on that bed over there

[viscid tinsel]

they should longingly hold hands

[echo oyster]

how platonic

anyway guess I'll include these folks in all my custom levels from this point on

[viscid tinsel]

YAYYYYY

[echo oyster]

so ya can keep tracks on their friendship

[viscid tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/signalis-isa-isa-itou-dance-party-gif-6758843437633009576

yayy

[next stream]

THANK YOUUUU

[hallow wagon]

i will enjoy following them this fine totally ordinary june

[echo oyster]

Touched up Malone's office

[echo oyster]

released a tiny BLOODRUST update before part 2 arrives
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3494382380

[echo oyster]

dynamic shadows are cool

[severe birch]

hell yea brotha

[tawdry parrot]

Knew ya could do it!

[grave veldt]

Hey all- I’ve been following the guide that’s pinned but, no matter what I do, I can’t get my episode/map to show up in the menu so it can be loaded

My file structure looks correct and as far as I’m aware I saved the map and filled out the episodeinfo and chapterinfo, so I’m not sure what I’m doing wrong. Should I send a screenshot of my file directory?

[teal axle]

dont think it wont let you post screenshots without a role, but you can post the text itself

[grave veldt]

Ah shoot, you’re right

[indigo sable]

An issue someone had in the past was that the quotes (") in their episodeInfo.txt file were unicode quotes and not normal ones

Maybe double check that

i.e. if the start and end quotes don't look the same, you have unicode quotes

[manic ermine]

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3497870317&searchtext=

finally finished my first level yipee

[manic ermine]

I think I'm good for now. Thanks for the offer though!

ah mb

ty!

[teal axle]

to smooth out the lighting i guess, if you check any dynamic light you can actually see the steps

if you put it to one it'll almost act as a spotlight

[vestal musk]

I encountered a very strange error - when interacting with a note on my custom level, the first page (with the title) is correct, but the second one for some reason is from another note. I rechecked all the brackets and quotes and everything seems to be correct, I don't understand what's going on.🤔 🤷

[vestal musk]

Also, when trying to add new sprites, at step

2: Navigate to the "New Sprites Before Packing" folder and click on it, then click "confirm"
I get an error

___________________________________________
############################################################################################
ERROR in action number 1
of  Step Event0 for object obj_fileBrowser:
local variable _selectedItem(100197) not set before reading it.
at gml_Script_anon@5628@gml_Object_obj_controller_Create_0
############################################################################################
gml_Script_anon@5628@gml_Object_obj_controller_Create_0 (line -1)
gml_Script_anon@365@Event@scr_eventSystem
gml_Script_anon@6593@gml_Object_obj_fileBrowser_Create_0
gml_Script_anon@3073@anon@2367@gml_Object_obj_fileBrowser_Create_0
gml_Object_obj_fileBrowser_Step_0

and Sprite Packer crashes

[teal axle]

make sure to select the folder itself

if you press confirm inside of said folder it somehow crashes

[echo oyster]

I improved at this editor thing a lot, damn

[tawdry parrot]

Yeah see. Yins kids are learnin'

[teal axle]

trey how long did the g-day map take you

[tawdry parrot]

Like a day.

[teal axle]

damn

[vestal musk]

What does the line "Parameters" mean in the Script thing?

[vestal musk]

Oh, you're right, thanks

[shadow dew]

the variables that will be passed into the function

so if you put something like 24 in the parameters field and then have the first line of the function look like Main("foo") then if you use foo somewhere then it'll be the same as using 24

[teal axle]

have either a NotePickup or a NoteDecal thing, make it usable then make a new event on use

make another thing this time being a Note, and set up the event

for the path you need a Notes folder in your map's folder with a .txt in it, check any chapter's notes and use it as a template kinda

[frank flicker]

woah, woah! how in the hell?

[hallow wagon]

Screw you! I'm gonna go play Minecraft.

[compact helm]

I dont rember how add text to the notes
[19:25]
Because i want to post my first map

[meager latch]

I'm going to try and make a basic house as my first map

but sadly it'll take a bit, my laptop keeps shitting itself

I'll share some drawings of it soon

[meager latch]

I do want to turn it either into a defensive map or a house that the player can just rampage through

[compact helm]

Do you know, @meager latch ?

[stark path]

is it possible to make door usable after some event is triggered?

[echo oyster]

closest thing to that is locking the door by default and then having it unlock on an event

[stark path]

what i'm trying to solve:

i have two doors, one behind another

the first one is a sliding door that is not usable and opens on event

the second one is a regular door, that you can open

the issue is that when i look at the first door, i see outline of the second one behind it and i am able to open it, which looks weird

so i thought i'll just make second door not usable (so i don't see the outline) and then make it usable again on the same event that opens the first door

but maybe there is a different way to achieve that?

[echo oyster]

not really, i'd just make the sliding door usable, but locked

[stark path]

yeeah, i know 😞
thanks

different question - can i make the key that doesn't have this 'twinkle' sound? (i don't know how to describe the sound, i speak no english, but you guys get it)

[echo oyster]

sadly,no

well at least none them i am aware of

[stark path]

okay, ty

[echo oyster]

Staircase two

[vestal musk]

I don't understand how exactly waypoints work. Sometimes goons follow them and sometimes they completely ignore them and I can't see the pattern.

[teal axle]

how are you setting them up?

[tawdry parrot]

You have to make your start and end points reset otherwise they will just go to one and stop. They also go to the closest ones , so they will choose ones they are closest to first. If you want them to walk to a certain part and wait you set the Action on arrival to wait and pick a time. Usually 5 ticks is standard.

[vestal musk]

I put one at the end of the route and one right on the goon that I want to make a patrolman and set them to "Reset". I put 1-2 points between them to adjust the path and set them to "Wait" or "Nothing".
And some goons walk along their paths and everything is fine, but some just standing still and I don't understand what they need

[tawdry parrot]

It's advisable that each goon has his own seperate patrol path rather than sharing the same route because they will bump into eachother. You want to have a reset point and start and finish and your waits or nothings waypoints along the way sharing the same tag you want the goon to follow.

[hallow wagon]

Shouldn't someone pin this?

[tawdry parrot]

I don't have the ability to do that.

[echo oyster]

Hey uhh, what is the parent tag of a point light used for?

[teal axle]

i know its not useful since i have no idea but i only have seen it used with light states

[echo oyster]

wait wait wait, light states?

how was it used with light states?

[teal axle]

a point light parented to a light state, but i haven't yet figured out how to make them work

#fallen-aces-modding message you can check this along with ch3's subway area if you wanna try

[echo oyster]

Also in case ya see this trey, I'm wondering is the usage of color things necesary?

Fro mwhat I've seen they are used in light states, but I have idea why the thing is used instead of the color just being selected directly in the light state

[vestal musk]

Most likely, to change the color via scripts for a more cinematic and stylish turning off/on of the light.
I looked at Mike's apartment from the original as an example and all the shadows there are manually placed sectors that are repainted when the light is turned off/on.

And the second guess is that a simpler method was added later.

[echo oyster]

yea i think i like that

[meager latch]

No, I'll probably start making the level after the 24th. I'm going to pretty busy this week

[marble crane]

It's nice the editor has a -X value. good for testing/bebugging.

[soft surge]

ok, need some help, i lost the link for how importing props in FA, in my case just some food, how can i install my food pack in the apposit folder?

[echo oyster]

Vibey areas

[frank crown]

Hey I'm trying to make a map for the first time, is there no way to delete something other than the undo button? I cant find out how

[echo oyster]

select a thing\sector\vertice in 2d mode and press the delete key

[frank crown]

Oh I was pressing backspace, thanks

[frank crown]

Also is there a way to move things in 3D mode?

Would make things a million times easier

[echo oyster]

things can be moved by selecting the position option, selecting the thing you want to move and then dragging your mouse

[frank crown]

Oh okay thank you

Being a huge help, W mans

[echo oyster]

oh also make sure to hold down the right mouse button while dragging the thing

checking the "y axis controls height option" makes it so you can also control the thing's height

[frank crown]

ah okay that makes things easier

Is there no prop for just like a bed or something? I'm assuming I'd have to make that myself

[echo oyster]

use inverted sectors

[frank crown]

alr

[frank crown]

actually, what does that mean

[echo oyster]

basically if a sector's floor is above the ceiling it creates a 3d object

it flips the sector inside out, so the walls are visible from the outside and not visible from the inside

[frank crown]

oh ok

[echo oyster]

very useful for rooms with many levels

[frank crown]

Ok so how do I do this? Can't figure it out on my own

[echo oyster]

just set the floor height to be higher than the ceiling height

[frank crown]

Oh ok

[vestal musk]

Normal sectors are like rooms. Inverted sectors are chunks of objects, cubes from which you build the environment.
To make an inverted sector, its floor must be higher than its ceiling.
You can simply drag the floor above the ceiling in 3D mode, set the height in numbers manually or click 🔃 button in the window with parameters, which opens if you right-click the sector.
Anyway, here is a basic guide from the developer
https://youtu.be/tMco6ol2Ewc

[frank crown]

HUGE help, thank you

[vestal musk]

and
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3486794926

[frank crown]

@echo oyster Is there a way to unlock and lock your mouse in 3d mode?

[echo oyster]

press tab

[frank crown]

Ok thanks

[stark path]

how do i rotate texture of the floor?

'rotation' option in the bar doesn't seem to be doing anything.

when i try to set the angle via 'angle' texture property, it doesn't let me set the value accurately - angle changes with some random step 🤔

am i missing something?

i mean, i can open the level via text editor and set whatever i want, but i hope that's not the only option and i just haven't notice some very obvious way to rotate things 😬

---

actually, maybe im asking the wrong question

i have rotated inverted sector and i want to align floor texture with it. how do i do that?

[vestal musk]

How to make a decal from a custom sprite?

[teal axle]

check the guide, there's a section for that

[teal axle]

i think you can only rotate it the way you tried

[stark path]

i have so many boxes to rotate

[vestal musk]

there is a section on how to make a custom sprite, but not how to make it a decal so it sticks to surfaces. Or are all custom sprites decals by default?

[teal axle]

oh yeah my bad, you need to make it an entry as either a prop or a decal

check AcesData\decals.txt as reference

i made a new entry at the bottom, though i'm not sure if that's the right way to do it

[ebon sigil]

Hey uh this is most likely a dumb question that’s most likely been answered before but how the hell do I add objectives to my level?

[teal axle]

if you don't know how to do something you can take a look through the chapter's scripts

seems it is AddObjective("your_objective", 0, 1); to add one (although i'm not sure what the variables are for) and CompleteObjective("your_objective"); to complete it

im not sure if it can be done through the editor itself tho

[ebon sigil]

I’ll give it a try and report back

[gray marten]

When will they add the ability to import custom models 🙏😔

[ebon sigil]

Yep I got it to work thank you

[soft surge]

ok, i was reading the SDK Documentation Basics, but i've notice there is no info about making custom items to be added in Fallen Aces

let say i want put a waffle in a specific folder

ok i've found the folder AcesData and the text file consumable

an example

actor SmallCheese 18008 { type = "Prop"; sprites = "SmallCheese"; icon = "iconb_cheese"; inventoryIcon = "Inventory Icon - Small Cheese"; effectSet = 6; maxStackCount = 3; category = "Food"; projectilesCanDamage = true; breakable = true; collideWithCharacters = false; lunchboxable = true; pickupType = "Consumable"; consumable_statusEffects = 3; consumable_useVerb = "Pickup"; consumable_holdVerb = "Eat"; consumable_inventoryIcon = "Inventory Icon - Small Cheese"; }

how can i apply these values and so to include the icon of the food i drew?

[soft surge]

i should convert the pictures in blender as .fbx o .obj files?

[vestal musk]

you need just png

I checked right now and was able to add your pancakes to the game.

[soft surge]

oh where? Show me

[vestal musk]

Unfortunately, I don’t have the rights to attach screenshots

Anyway
follow the instructions from the SDK create three sprites for your item - one is how it will look while it is on the map, the second is how it will look in the hand and the third is how it will be displayed in the inventory. Then copy the text that you attached above with the replacement of variables.

actor SmallCheese Pancakes 18008 random numbers
Here, instead of cheese, there should be the name of your object.

And instead of the original number, any number that does not copy the prop numbers from the original.

[soft surge]

send me a DM so i can see it

[vestal musk]

Instead of

sprites = "SmallCheese";
icon = "iconb_cheese";
inventoryIcon = "Inventory Icon - Small Cheese";
there should be png names from the file you made of course

[soft surge]

i see, i shall do some edits for each name in the proper folder

right now the picture is just named Fallen Aces Waffle

[vestal musk]

and to make it work for everyone and not just you, i think you should make a separate text file and put it in your mod. Directories with pictures and scripts etc. should be as if your mod was a separate game and should copy directories from the game

I haven't posted any mods yet so this is just a guess but I think it should work I think

[soft surge]

i see 🤔

let see if my dumb poo brain will be able to do it 😂

[vestal musk]

Where are the POV weapon sprites stored? Or is this not a moddable part yet?

[gray marten]

I NEED this brochacho 🙏, also if you get it working it would be Amazing if you added all the other ones :D

[soft surge]

sure thing 👌

[gray marten]

It would be a peak mod 🥹🙏

[soft surge]

turkey leg included!

[gray marten]

Tho that raises the question of how you would post it to the workshop 🤔

So others can check it out ofc

[soft surge]

i don't know how to post it... yet

[gray marten]

I mean ya could post a level showing them off then have manual installation for the food stuffs???

[soft surge]

i see 🤔

[tawdry parrot]

What, no? just upload the scripts.

[gray marten]

Oh nvm then, I just thought wrong then gangalang

[soft surge]

So like this?

actor Waffle 18009 { type = "Prop"; sprites = "Waffle"; icon = "iconb_Waffle"; inventoryIcon = "Inventory Icon - Waffle"; effectSet = 6; maxStackCount = 3; category = "Food"; projectilesCanDamage = true; breakable = true; collideWithCharacters = false; lunchboxable = true; pickupType = "Consumable"; consumable_statusEffects = 3; consumable_useVerb = "Pickup"; consumable_holdVerb = "Eat"; consumable_inventoryIcon = "Inventory Icon - Waffle"; }

[vestal musk]

@tawdry parrot where are the pov weapon sprites stored? Or is this part not moddable yet?

[tawdry parrot]

Not moddable

[stark path]

i'm changing volume in audio player object from 2 to 20 and it doesn't look like anything changes

it's a 3d sound (independent ambience), i'm standing right next to the source. Min distance is set to 5, max - to 8

any ideas what could be wrong?

[echo oyster]

i'd appreciate if any of ya could help me playtest part 2 of my level

[stark path]

if i open aces mod manager, i get 'workshop query failed, steam may not be running', what do i do? i've never used workshop before

[stark path]

i just had to subscribe to the mod 🤦‍♂️

right after you guys playtest BingAss's level, you can check my map as well - https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=3502784003

nice, i can at least post links

[teal axle]

loved every second of it! you nailed the atmosphere and it just felt nice to play overall

really hoping you have a part two planned or something 👀

i kinda got the vibes i get when playing a game from remedy, if that makes any sense lol

[stark path]

thanks 😬

it took 60 hours man, i need a break

[stark path]

i haven;t played control but i think it has similar "office space and weird shit" vibe

[teal axle]

i'm still going with mine so i completly get it 😭 get any breaks you need u deserve it

also glad you've found out how to fix the elevator thingie

[stark path]

i mean

it doesn't move 😀

that's what we call a fix

[teal axle]

ooooh waait

gotta see how it works

[stark path]

it's just a box with doors and script that finishes the level

so no moving parts there

unlike in the ✨ vent ✨

---

but actually there is nothing more than a room where you go to sleep

it says so in the description

[teal axle]

yeah i actually went to sleep it was nice

[stark path]

2 second level speedrun

[teal axle]

literally 😭

[stark path]

any%

[teal axle]

i'll refrain from spoiling anything, people gotta play it blind

[gray marten]

This shit sounds SO peak

[echo oyster]

I FUCKING KNEW THERE WAS SOMETHING UP WITH THAT VENT

[stark path]

i think when i was looking for music i stopped as soon as heard a few seconds of that one - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvO4eqwDda4&list=PLOFws3X1J_ZrgHnilPrER6-NOdYlAL4F3&index=8

like

that was IT

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and i really like this idea of starting music on some loud noise. i think in the first chapter music start playing when you kick the door. so no innovation, just thoughtful stealing

[stark path]

nah, you just got lost for a bit

it's a regular vent

(have you tried using it again after you leave it?)

[stark path]

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hmmm, how do i update the mod?

do i just load .acesmod file and then just press submit again?

oh, nevermind, i was asking cause i had some issues in mod uploader but retry helped, sry

[echo oyster]

i got bored and made a slot machine

[stark path]

wait, it's manually done from inverted sector? with the slopes and shit?

damn, okay

[echo oyster]

i mean yea, shit was pretty easy

just cut a cube a bunch of times

i feel like i might use it for a future level

got a cool ass idea

[stark path]

well, when it's easy AND looks cool - that's the best one

[echo oyster]

Yea i'm really proud out of that design

only used two layers for it

one layer is used only for the little thing on top of the lever

most important part of making pretty much anything in the editor is having a reference, this is what i loosely based my machine off

[echo oyster]

Maybe you shouldn't engage in small talk with your coworkers near a high explosives crate

[gray marten]

Is there a way to go full screen with the mod manager???

[vestal musk]

Trying to figure out the Steam Workshop. How can I update a mod I've already uploaded?

[echo oyster]

do you have the .acemod file for your mod saved somewhere?

[tawdry parrot]

very nice.

[echo oyster]

damn, thanks boss

[vestal musk]

yes

[echo oyster]

load the file using the workshop uploader

there's a load button in the uploader, use that

then just put the new version of your mod in the directory section

then save and publish

[vestal musk]

Thanks!

Hmm. That's weird.
I privately uploaded my unfinished level to see how the workshop works. I subscribed to it and it's not in the list of Workshop mods in the game. I can't figure out where I went wrong yet. 🤔

[echo oyster]

if it doesn't show up in workshop episodes you probably set up the mod directory wrong

[vestal musk]

At first I thought the problem was that I forgot to put the episode in the Episodes folder and it was just in the mod's root folder, that's the only way it works when not in the Workshop.
I fixed it and re-uploaded and it still doesn't show up.

Oh wait, I think I get it.

[patent moss]

Get what, huh? Got a question or you just talkin' to hear yourself speak?

[vestal musk]

The Episodes folder should contain the entire episode, not just a chapter from it.

I'm just writing what I did wrong in case there's another idiot here who did the same thing.

[echo oyster]

make sure you've got episodeinfo.txt in there too

i mean in the folder inside the episodes folder

[vestal musk]

I'm just confused by all this recursion

[echo oyster]

don't worry, you'll get used to it

[stark path]

i have a couple of questions about scripts:

• if i pass some parameter to the script, can i use it to name a world variable? Like let's say i pass tag 10 to the function, can i somehow make it a world variable "beepboop_10"?
• is there a function to generate random number? or maybe a way to get time? (current time, or time since game start, anything)
• in terms of controlling the logic flow, there is no loops right? only branching via IF ?
• in terms of math operations i think i saw Add function. Is any other math supported?

[echo oyster]

there's a while loop

[stark path]

do you have to have a role to put reactions on messages? i wanna put hearts and fires but i cant

[median mason]

1: Not currently, I could look into it.
2: Not currently either, but I can add that for sure. In the meantime you could setup a script that runs in a loop adding a number to a world variable every second.
3: There's a while loop, If statements, Return statements, and you can make custom functions.
4: Aside from Add there's also Subtract, Multiply and Divide

You can also add & to the start of strings to explicitly say "this is a string"
EG:

Main()
{
    SetProfileFlag("&level4_got_falcon", 1);
}

[stark path]

very nice and also
very cool

soon I will return with more questions

[marble crane]

I played ''under the weather'' saving delilah a second time. at some point it would be nice nice to replace her sprites/name with a different hostage or a heavy safe sprite (that cannot be opened) for a mission exfitration objective.

The idea of mike going on a classic damsel in distress mission needing to save more than one hostage seems fun. putting them in nighwave's meredith car for safety (or just a safe room with nightwave sniping from the window for instance)

needing both hand to carry a ''payload'' forces you to play more carefull. gives more kick to scripted goon backup's for sure😁

[stark path]

4. can i change object propery from script? for example: change texture offset, decal rotation, inverted section rotation (i think movable geo only allows you to move, not to rotate)
5. can you spawn goons/npcs/props from script without placing them on the map in the editor?
6. a bit confused about '&' thing: when i set a world variable i don't need it but when i set profile flag i do? in both cases they seem to be just string names

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wait i have even more (not about scripts though)

• is there a way to add dialogue lines ? like sound and subtitle, or just subtitle
• when i download a mod, can i see actual txt with level definition and open it in editor? or all the magic and secrets remain hidden (maybe as they should be)?

[tawdry parrot]

All the subtitles are handled with txt files. Look in the subtitles folder for examples used in games.

[stark path]

i see now, thank you mr Aces. so it's not necessary to have actual voice line to be able to show subtitles?
but also - is it *possible * to add some custom sound instead of voice line?

[tawdry parrot]

Adding custom sounds is as easy as putting them in an external folder. That is explained in the steam guide.

[stark path]

i don't know why i thought adding voice lines would be any different from adding any sfx or ambience

thanks!

[teal axle]

workshop stuff is in steamapps\workshop\content\1411910

open them or not that's up to you

[stark path]

love it, very cool

[teal axle]

what im not sure of is how the game plays the subtitles along with the dialogue

[floral mauve]

hey

tryin to make a dumb horror map help me pls

[teal axle]

what you need

[stark path]

maybe something like

SpeakDialogue(....); - to play the subtitle
TriggerEvent(...); - trigger some event

and then make audio player instance to play sound on this event

but i haven't tried that (also i thought that 'speakDialog' would require some information about what sound to play, but i guess that's not the case)

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but i think in official maps it's just SpeakDialogue(....); and it's enough

[floral mauve]

alright man i got inspired by a comment on a workshop mod that replaces all npcs in episode 1 with big pallookas and now im inspired to make the big palloka.exe's labryinth

i kinda just want to make a big maze and the player has to press 4 buttons to press 4 doors i guess

theres a lotta big palookas everywhere and the player has no weapon

help

oh yeah also i wanna figure out how to make notes

[teal axle]

yeah i mean even if there was a method we dont have access to i feel like it should do fine just with those two lines

[floral mauve]

forgot to mention that

[teal axle]

only pity is that we're gonna end up with 5000 audio players lmao

[teal axle]

#fallen-aces-modding message tried explaining it here if it's not too worded like poop