Rank Update Post

[inland tangle]

yes

[deep wing]

@wet sinew literally complains of that too

[inland tangle]

that's cool but that's not the point i was ever talking about

not mutually exclusive

[deep wing]

So you’re fighting us because we don’t ONLY support your things

[inland tangle]

possibly the worst way to word it but in a nutshell yes

[deep wing]

They want it somewhat reverted and you want it buffed

[inland tangle]

correct

i believe reversion is a worse solution than a repair

[deep wing]

why

They almost completely deleted THOUSANDS

AND THOUSANDS

Maybe even millions

In ranks

Just by that update

[inland tangle]

.. which is why i want those people to get their amends by buffing the og ranks

[deep wing]

But why not they keep their full rank

[inland tangle]

i don't see much issue in having a monthly rank system provided that you fix everything else

there's not a perfect solution

[deep wing]

And have like an expensive monthly rank just like hypixel does

[inland tangle]

you'd have people complaining that the people with that rank are p2w

you see how this doesn't have a perfect solution

[deep wing]

uh

Hypixel does it

Just it’s a little different

[hexed relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1092522999229468833/attachment.gif

[inland tangle]

not the same

hypixel is a server

minehut is a host

[deep wing]

They’re gonna complain

But is it deleting millions of dollars in ranks?

[inland tangle]

you keep saying that and they never did that

[deep wing]

They did

[inland tangle]

they just made the ranks less useful

they didn't DELETE money

[deep wing]

I said in ranks

Not MONEY

[inland tangle]

they also didn't delete the ranks they just made the ranks less useful

the ranks still exist

theyre just ..bad now

[deep wing]

Yeah

Reverting that and just adding a monthly subscription like Minehut Premium or something

[unreal ferry]

“pure inbred monkeys”

[wet sinew]

Yeah this is the messed up part

[deep wing]

Stupid peole

[unreal ferry]

“Minehut simps” “pink minehut simp” “Pure inbred monkeys” - Coming from 2 people who would just insult others for the slightest of disagreement

If the game’s just about who can come up with the most childish, immature insults, then clearly you two won that. Now I’m done adding to this as I’ve already said what I wanted to say

[inland tangle]

what's messed up about it

i think that your additional reasons are wrong

it's like you were cutting out paper and left an extra bit

[deep wing]

No this has been a 3 week long disagreement to which your side threw insults first

[wet sinew]

You take being called a minehut simp as an insult? if so that means you must not like minehut? what don't you like about it

Also every person with a pink name i've come in contact with has been a minehut simp and agrees with the ranks update it's no coincidence

[deep wing]

Yeah

[obtuse birch]

False

[deep wing]

Not false

You were throwing insults at people

[wet sinew]

❓

[deep wing]

Now

Obviously

You made some of the first insults on our side before swapping

[obtuse birch]

Why are you still here

[wet sinew]

@obtuse birch was the first to throw insults tbh they made the sarcastic gifs

[deep wing]

But now it’s turned into mostly insults because of your side

[obtuse birch]

You said you were leaving “this dumpster fire”

[deep wing]

Exactly

[deep wing]

No he didn’t

[obtuse birch]

How

[deep wing]

Because of you

[wet sinew]

That's not directed at anyone

[obtuse birch]

Because of me you decide to start throwing insults and spamming gifs

What logic is that

[deep wing]

It’s an argument across 4 threads, with only you 3 vs 20 other people

[wet sinew]

I'm speaking generally on the absolute state of minehut

[obtuse birch]

There ain’t 4 theeads

[deep wing]

You guys spend your life on these threads just insulting and not making any actual argument

You haven’t made any actual argument bro

[obtuse birch]

Isn’t that what your doing

You guys are insulting me

[obtuse birch]

Neither have you

[deep wing]

No @wet sinew explained what he means

[wet sinew]

There's like 10+ threads but some have been locked because SamD is trying to silence the revertupdate movement probably

[deep wing]

Yalll don’t

Yeah

[obtuse birch]

No

[inland tangle]

everyone else has moved on like a normal human being and not lingered over something that won't change

i do think the random gifs is stupid

stop doing that youre not funny arti

but

[wet sinew]

You're in denial again just saying "no" against facts there's more than 4 threads

[obtuse birch]

I’ve yet to see the threads

I see only this and that old one that’s inactive

[inland tangle]

it's convoluted to have multiple threads of the same thing tbf

if he was really trying to silence you he would've closed this one too when he first saw it

[inland tangle]

^^ which is why its being confined to just one thread

borderline spam

[obtuse birch]

The message counts

It’s just spam theeads

[wet sinew]

There's more threads that's just the few from my 3 seconds of searching

[wet sinew]

It still shows that many people show a distaste towards the ranks update otherwise it wouldn't be "spam threads" from different people

[deep wing]

Yeah

[obtuse birch]

Like 20-30 out of literal thousands

Move on

It’s not changing, throwing insults won’t help

[deep wing]

It’s often when you do something bad and have a large scaled community you’re gonna get like more than 1 thread 🤯🤯

[inland tangle]

this update has problems, yes, but the majority of people have just accepted it

[wet sinew]

If the ranks update was GOOD there would be 50 threads praising minehut for their hard work and how to improve it further etc

[deep wing]

The rank update is more disliked than liked

[inland tangle]

this is a community where nobody ever agrees on anything

[deep wing]

no

You look at the small amount

And think it’s 50%

[wet sinew]

I disagree the ranks update is objectively disagreed on

[deep wing]

Ofc when they agree with you

[inland tangle]

every single update minehut ever has will always have two sides of opinions

it's a natural thing with a big community

just the nature of it

[deep wing]

Majorly disagreed upon imo

[inland tangle]

but everyone else has accepted what has happened and moved on

[wet sinew]

Except the two sides is like 5% agree 95% disagree

[deep wing]

Most of the time it’s either one sided by majority

Yeah

[obtuse birch]

Fr

It’s just these two

[inland tangle]

if you're saying that there's no action being done then it's time to bite the bullet and cover the wound

[obtuse birch]

I’m so sick of these threads fr

[deep wing]

Bro, you sit here with your p2w server acting like this is a good update because you’re gonna profit off of it shush

[wet sinew]

I would accept it an move on if they changed something even in a minor way because atm the update is super flawed

[obtuse birch]

I DONT EVEN HAVE A SERVER OUT

HOW HAVE YOU NOT REALIZED THAT?

I haven’t had a server out in months

[deep wing]

YOU ONLY AGREEING FOR PROFIT 🗣️🗣️🗣️

[wet sinew]

You aren't releasing your server because of the ranks update or what?

[deep wing]

Is it original or a plastic copy of another server?

[wet sinew]

Lifesteal

[deep wing]

Plastic copy ofc

[inland tangle]

this is the equivalent of being shot & continuing to bleed while praying to god you survive instead of covering the wound

[inland tangle]

that was a bad metaphor

let me think of a better one

[deep wing]

no

[obtuse birch]

No?

[deep wing]

That is not even close to what weee doing

[deep wing]

Raw steak??

[obtuse birch]

Was basically the first on minehut MALD

[deep wing]

🤯🤯🤯

[wet sinew]

atm I would ideally like the wound to fully healed but am willing to bleed a little while the band aid is still on

[deep wing]

Yeah it was one of the first but it’s still just gonna conform to the rest of them

[deep wing]

Fr

[obtuse birch]

Not really

[deep wing]

Yeah it is

And it wasn’t even close to the first

It was like probably one of the first 50

[wet sinew]

Just because it's the first lifesteal doesn't make it unique

[deep wing]

And was already hella p2w 💀

[deep wing]

It wasn’t

[inland tangle]

you were shot (the update happened)
you're continuing to bleed (not moving on)
praying to god (talking to someone who clearly isn't acting, according to you)

instead of

covering the wound (moving on)

[deep wing]

There were like 20 others

[wet sinew]

You literally hopped on the badwagon of clout chasing lifesteal smp players

@obtuse birch

[deep wing]

Moving on is not attending to the wound

[obtuse birch]

No

[deep wing]

How is not moving on leaving the wound uncovered if the update is what caused the wound

[wet sinew]

If clouted youtubers didn't make a youtube series on it your lifesteal server wouldn't exist rn

[deep wing]

ONG

You just jumped on a trend bro

[inland tangle]

okay let's break this

this has nothing to do with the thread

quiet

[inland tangle]

isn't it? youre still hurt, you have the bullet in you, youre just stopping yourself from dying

[deep wing]

Wound caused by update
Not leaving until update is fixed is attending to wound
Talking and refuting people that disagree is fixing the wound

[inland tangle]

or rather the bullet would split but im not one for actual physics

[inland tangle]

define the difference between fixing and attending

[deep wing]

How does the update cause the wound and then you leave said wound alone means it’s healing?

[deep wing]

Update=wound criticism=attending to it

[inland tangle]

i didn't mean in a metaphorical context

im just asking you to define the difference between fixing a wound and attending a wound

like in general

[deep wing]

Fixing the update=attending the wound

[wet sinew]

@leaden hazel This is wild you're outing roblox on predatory practices while minehut is doing the same

[wet sinew]

They have their twitter linked right in their bio

nvm it's not there anymore they removed it ig?

[frozen moon]

revert the update please (:

[shrewd robin]

this is a ridiculous claim, all he did was find a contradiction in a really recent tweet of SamD's and post it

[main glen]

#Revert

[wet sinew]

I screenshot a picture from SamD's twitter that took me 5 seconds to find and get called a stalker. Twitter is a public platform you're broadcasting information

SamD does contradict what they say a lot

[shrewd robin]

lmao

before and after usurping executive role at minehut

[wet sinew]

Can't forget this one as well

[shrewd robin]

LOL subscription service is definitely what minehut is needing

as are the other products of his as VP of metaverse products

[wet sinew]

Spend 10% of the time building what people need and 0% of the time building what they want

[shrewd robin]

so true

[wet sinew]

Minehut cosmetics is what we NEED

[shrewd robin]

absolutely, we need MORE cosmetics

metaverse cosmetics when

[hexed relic]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1092522999229468833/attachment.gif

[obtuse birch]

"A monthly billing system can be beneficial for both the users and the service provider. For users, it offers more flexibility and allows them to try out different levels of service without a long-term commitment. Users can easily upgrade, downgrade, or cancel their subscriptions as per their convenience. For the service provider, it ensures a steady stream of revenue and enables them to invest in improving the quality of service.

Lowering the ad cap can also have positive effects on the platform. Spammy or irrelevant advertisements can negatively impact user experience, and reducing the number of ads can create a more pleasant and engaging environment for users. It can also encourage advertisers to focus on creating more targeted and relevant ads, which can be more effective in generating user engagement and revenue." - ChatGPT

[deep wing]

What he actually means: I love minehut rank update because it shuts down lower budget servers so my p2w 600 dollar rank server with my 55 patron ad bots can out ad them all so they will never be noticed and you’ll be forced to play my trashy money grabbing server instead of the 100 hours the lower budget owners spent making an actually good and original server for my 2 hour plastic copy of another server.

This is the reason why send the gifs

[twin salmon]

ChatGPT response:
"While a monthly billing system may offer more flexibility, in the case of Minehut, it seems that this change was implemented without prior warning, effectively rendering the purchases of many customers useless. This can be perceived as a betrayal of trust and can negatively impact customer loyalty. It is also concerning that this change heavily favors those who can afford the high monthly fees, leaving behind smaller teams and individuals who may not be able to compete.

Furthermore, while lowering the ad cap may improve user experience, it is important to consider the impact on the revenue of the service provider. Ads are a significant source of income for many online platforms, and a drastic reduction in ad cap may negatively affect their ability to sustain the quality of their services.

In conclusion, it is important for service providers to consider the impact of their decisions on their customers and to communicate any changes in advance. Additionally, while user experience is crucial, it is also important to consider the financial sustainability of the service provider."

[deep wing]

Is because we’ve shown it destroys poorer and smaller servers whilst pulling up the stronger and bigger servers

Plus the ranks are overpriced af

150$ a month to run some ads

Plus the money you gotta spend on plugins and stuff

[celest saddle]

pirating 🔛🔝

jk!

[deep wing]

Still

It’s just the same thing over and over again

Minehut now is just a repetitive crap hole

You have to actually look to get a decent server

Back then you could find an original server or a non p2w server so easily

Just by looking at the top list

Now it’s just gens and box servers

[celest saddle]

servers are unable to function without offering ranks with some sort of in game advantage. It is called p2w, but at this point it is normal and people need to deal with it.

Servers that offer extreme p2w ranks/items are the servers that are the issue. Not the servers that offer kits for donors.

[deep wing]

Which is most top servers

200 dollar ranks

30 dollar keys

The ability to just buy your way to the top

That’s the thing we’re complaining about

I don’t mind tiny things

[celest saddle]

Yeah I know, but there isn’t really a way to stop it

The update only made it easier for the servers who make bank off of being p2w to advertise

I don’t think the update should be removed entirely, but instead make some more drastic changes that would more align with what the players would want

[deep wing]

Instead of player ad capping why not server capping based on server plan?

[barren lotus]

you probably asked why is the update bad

so it will be biased

[deep wing]

it’s still trash

The update is still bad bro

Cause now servers are basically FORCED to add more p2w crap to just keep floating

[wet sinew]

"Lowering the ad cap can also have positive effects on the platform" 🇼 Chat GPT knows what's up

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[shrewd robin]

this is a really bad take: plenty of major, non-minehut servers don't have a p2w system and instead rely on cosmetic purchases of donor ranks. also most applications of p2w in servers are against the mc community rules regardless of if mojang proactively enforces the rule or not

[magic shard]

You are plain wrong as everyone that has made a server agreed to the EULA in some way
this means that they agreed to not make p2w features

[fickle kettle]

That's the problem isn't it? Minehut has forced any server that wants to get more than 6 players to break minecraft TOS and their own morals with p2w ranks, gambling (Crates) and items

At this point it's not even owners fault

But these extreme prices for ads is disgusting

Even vip rank 800 credits a month is terrible

[wet sinew]

EXACTLY

Money wise the barrier to entry compared to minehut in the past has increased drastically

[fickle kettle]

Yeah

I'm glad I got in early because otherwise I would have never started a server

When I started
Default= 10 minute cooldown unlimited ads
4 months ago
Default= 20 minutes cooldown unlimited ads
Now
Default= 4 ads a month

[wet sinew]

Wow this really puts it into perspective the slippery slope minehut has gone down

[barren lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1092522999229468833/attachment.gif

[hexed relic]

at this point i hope mh just removes /ad from default rank

if yall cant be appreciative about what you get for free

[frozen moon]

#remove ad limit

[main glen]

it doesn't matter 4 ads is nothing lmaoo

[barren lotus]

better than nothing

[shrewd robin]

you may say this but that doesn't invalidate the loss of value of hundred-dollar ranks by a single change

[barren lotus]

yes I did indeed say it, not just may

[shrewd robin]

it would have been better if you just did not respond

you clearly do not care enough to entertain the idea that people have lost the privileges they have purchased from ranks in the past by this change

[barren lotus]

world would be better if you just did not respond

[wheat raptor]

bout to go to a starving village and africa and feed them full meals for a week, then transition immediately into one slice of bread per day

point is, we were appreciative about what we got for free, now, we don't get jack

it's like if there was a mom, father, son and daughter and everyone but the daughter dies in a car crash

you're the one telling that girl "well at least you didn't die too"

and then saying that she didn't deserve her family in the first place

[little herald]

💀 thats a bit much

[unreal ferry]

Here's the difference though: that starving village would otherwise be starving if not dead
With the rank update, nobody's dying

Funny how this update has gotten compared to slavery and now starvation

ah, forgot I was done with this, ok bai

[obtuse birch]

That’s how desperate they are to keep their “argument” relative and alive

[celest saddle]

you think they care about the eula?

[celest saddle]

no it really isn't, it's the truth

[celest saddle]

[magic shard]

Could you support these 3 statements with arguments?

[celest saddle]

server owners blatantly don't follow the eula by offering items like the dragon egg and totem's of undying.

minehut has forced server owners to resort to overpriced ranks & p2w rewards to keep the servers afloat & actually reach players.

[magic shard]

well in the second part you simply state what we already did

and minehut cannot legally force them to be p2w because they literally force them to agree to the EULA
and yes they dont care but that simply means they are doing illegal stuff not that they can do it

[deep wing]

1 ad a year!!!

[deep wing]

It’s nothing dude, ad a zero player server 4 times and see how many actually stay

Even if it was one of the best

It would only pull like 3-4 players lmao

[fickle kettle]

It's just.... Just..... Just...
IT'S too true

[celest saddle]

they don't legally force them, the owners don't have an option !!!!!!

[wet sinew]

I APPRECIATE 4 ads per month

[wet sinew]

"Better than nothing" 4 ads per month is pretty much nothing

[wet sinew]

Sometimes you have to use an extreme example to get your point across

[deep wing]

They should remove /ad for patron and all other ranks too since everyone complains about the /ads stuff 🙄

[little herald]

4 ads is a bit too little for default but I think other ranks are fine enough

[wet sinew]

You think 30ads for 800 credits is good? That's 1 ad a day for a paid service

[magic shard]

you always have an option (doing nothing is always an option if you are not physically forced)
(i mean often doing nothing isnt the right thing to do, but here it is)
if you cannot maken your server without breaking the EULA you simply shouldnt make that server
like you literally agree that you will not make your server p2w when making a server

[wheat raptor]

Interesting alternative to this issue

Minehut starts enforcing the EULA again so there aren't p2w servers that abuse the service of advertising because they have more unfair money

Then the players that subscribe to ranks for their servers are actually doing it for servers that don't suck

[little herald]

What

That solves nothing

[violet furnace]

wahhhh

[little herald]

Yeah that does literally nothing for anyone

[wet sinew]

Did minehut just remove paid server gui ads?

[wet sinew]

How does shutting down servers that promote p2w gambling crate keys to kids solve nothing?

[little herald]

This is for reverting a update relating to monthly ads, this does nothing in regards to the actual discussion in this thread

[little herald]

I think theres a bug with them currently

[wheat raptor]

In my mind there's two issues

1. Minehut is filled with P2W dumpster fire servers that are created and played daily, that are unregulated and do not get removed.

2. Minehut's rank subscriptions force players to pay for growth, rather than being able to grow a server from the ground for free (like was previously available).

Those two issues, when looked at together, make issue C).

C) Servers that are P2W scam normally child aged players out of a large amount of money a month, making them able to afford better ranks and therefore continue to advertise their P2W server.

So if you fix P2W you don't have scam servers taking advantage of the sucky ranks, if you fix the ranks you don't have P2W servers taking advantage of anything, but still existing, and taking out both removes P2W from Minehut and fixes the issue of the ranks being really bad unless you pay a ton of money.

I think you think that it "solves nothing" because you yourself own a p2w server and if Minehut began enforcing the EULA again you'd be screwed out of what you've "made"

[little herald]

Ok so lets say minehut solved the issue of P2W tomorrow and enforced the EULA; whats next
ranks are still the same price. growth is still the same price. nothing really changes except that people who come into minehut or external servers only stay popular, minehut servers stay down because people who come to minehut dont have the amount of money normally to pay for as much advertising as external servers

i do agree that default needs more ads so people can start up, but i think minehut itself needs monthly ad system in place so that abuse of it through botting is made less as botters will only be able to ad so many times a day before it becomes useless

[wheat raptor]

Made being in quotation marks of course because a network with 8 box server and an afk pit in each of them is a pretty sore excuse for a good server

[wet sinew]

Ok I was happy for a brief moment in time but I'm back to being depressed again

[wet sinew]

LOL

[wheat raptor]

If they fix P2W they don't have P2W servers abusing the ranks they clearly want to keep

[little herald]

you can insult all you want, doesnt fix the issue. just shows that you are being hella immature and your argument is pointless.

[wheat raptor]

Knowing that they won't change the ranks back the best fix is to make them as beneficial for free to play players as possible

[wet sinew]

How is it immature Alexk is bringing up contextual evidence to support their argument

[wheat raptor]

There's no immaturity in my statement. The mature thing to do on a platform with so much capability for originality is to shun and forget the unoriginal.

[little herald]

"contextual evidence" what.
a network with 8 box server and an afk pit in each of them is a pretty sore excuse for a good server

how does this at all a) solve the issue which is ranks are not good for new players and b) actually lead to a good argument

im trying to find a way where minehut can be happy and players can be happy, just impossible if you're just going to target me for having a popular network lol

[magic shard]

this is a side point in which you are partly right imo, but keeping on it doesnt help the discussion either

[little herald]

imo i think this can be all resolved if minehut just buffs default a bit

[wheat raptor]

My point with this is that GameTime doesn't want p2w to be removed because they themselves are p2w and unoriginal, therefore they neglect the entire point of my point, being that I'm right

[wet sinew]

They need to make it weekly not monthly or something just buff it somehow

[wet sinew]

SO TRUE

[wheat raptor]

"I'm not p2w my box server with 300 afk players isn't p2w my servers an original box server never been done before" argument incoming

[little herald]

p2w is completely unrelated as i had already shown in my above argument, so please stop bringing it here. minehut made this to have more profit and to make it so botting is a worse prospect

here was my thing about p2w if you didnt see it:

Ok so lets say minehut solved the issue of P2W tomorrow and enforced the EULA; whats next
ranks are still the same price. growth is still the same price. nothing really changes except that people who come into minehut or external servers only stay popular, minehut servers stay down because people who come to minehut dont have the amount of money normally to pay for as much advertising as external servers

[wheat raptor]

No I saw it you're just wrong

[little herald]

ok

[wheat raptor]

Well, you entire statement is unrelated to my point

[little herald]

well monthly or weekly it just needs to be appropriate

[wet sinew]

Bro you're saying all these words doesn't take away from the fact you're selling p2w crate keys and fostering a generation of gambling addicts

[wheat raptor]

Minehut is obviously not removing the ranks no matter how sucky it is

[wet sinew]

fr

[wheat raptor]

So if you remove p2w you have no p2w servers taking advantage of the sucky ranks, because they have more scam money to spend on higher ranks in order to use on their scam servers

[little herald]

???????? if you want to create a thread about hating on boxpeeveepeevee worst box server ever minehut plz ban then go make a thread on that. this thread is to try and make mh be a bit better for free players

[wheat raptor]

And my claim is about that

[wet sinew]

p2w servers is part of the issue with minehut ranks being more accessible to p2w owners

[magic shard]

i would rather say p2w servers make the issue of rank advertising being a rich mans game worse

[wheat raptor]

That is the point yes

P2W servers get money from scamming kids that they can then put back into higher ranks so they can advertise scam servers more

Non p2w servers don't scam kids, get less money, can't advertise at such a level and get buried on Minehut

Therefore the common denominator to fix this issue is either to fix ranks (which they won't do) or enforce the eula again

[magic shard]

problem is that this situation temporarily means profit for minehut
(not long run cause people leave if theres only boring servers)

[wheat raptor]

Something makes me think if there's less p2w servers there will be a more unique variety available on Minehut

Because p2w usually falls under the box/gen/lifesteal/skymine throw up vomit category

Especially on MH

[magic shard]

i agree completely

[wheat raptor]

Byte/gametime just doesn't think that it will fix anything because what it will fix is servers like theirs from existing

[magic shard]

basically enforcing EULA will be very annoying for minehut and they wont remove rank update
therefore i agree with this
(but i would like a few buffs to OG ranks too)

[magic shard]

you and him have a few points
but dissolving the discussion in personal attacks wont help

[wheat raptor]

That's not a personal attack it's a factual statement

[magic shard]

that doesnt rule out the other

[wheat raptor]

Then I'd say that it's a necessary attack in order to get the point across that p2w is bad and supporting or using it to grow makes you just as

While also relating it to the obvious issue of the Minehut climate

[little herald]

dude come on my god.
ok so you are mad that some people are making a lot of money on minehut and are advertising their server with it, ok cool

once again, if we removed this, it would not help any of the new server owners or anyone, rather would just satisfy you but wouldnt help anyone at all.

[wet sinew]

It would help new server ads be more visible

[little herald]

how, there are already so few ads

like i just logged on and i got no ads for a minute straight

i only see people chat spamming

thats about it

[wheat raptor]

I mean, that's not true either...

Removing p2w servers gets servers that are non p2w and potentially original higher on the discovery pages

It helps with ad spam encouraged by purchasing higher ranks (easier to buy with scam money)

[little herald]

once again, ad spam isnt a issue. there are so few ads

[wet sinew]

If minehut reverted this trash ranks update and didn't do multiple 90% ranks sale to inflate ranks

[wheat raptor]

Me when my comparative time is 6am est on a school day

[little herald]

so basically you want non p2w servers to be the only type. this still doesnt change anything, it just removes a whole list of servers because you dont like them

[wheat raptor]

Gametime advocating for p2w servers compilation

[wet sinew]

non p2w servers are better period

[little herald]

theres 8000 people online

[wet sinew]

You don't transfer your irl standing into the virtual world and are on an even playing field with everyone

[little herald]

thats great. now on to actual arguments please

[wheat raptor]

Notice how this entire time they haven't said their server is not p2w and haven't denounced or wanted p2w to be removed, because it benefits them financially and socially in the current Minehut climate

[little herald]

theres around 420-450 people just in the lobby, and there are so few ads. ads are a lot more worth it now and it has been shown

[wheat raptor]

It's like we're arguing tax fraud with a convicted tax fraud criminal

[little herald]

why would i lie and say my server does not have EULA defined p2w advantages

[wet sinew]

fr

[little herald]

we're not even arguing tax fraud, we are arguing a whole different policy which you are bringing "tax fraud" into

[wheat raptor]

It's a metaphor

[little herald]

really?

[wet sinew]

I dropped outta highschool what's that

[wheat raptor]

I'm comparing the current argument to something much more recognizable

[wheat raptor]

You went to college shudup

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/704424047320236128/1061880803233112074/dw3kckhsx7c81.gif

[wheat raptor]

Worst part is that even after it was written and straight up admitted that one of the top servers on Minehut is p2w and breaks the EULA Minehut still won't remove it

[little herald]

huh? it isnt against minehuts rules or anything

why would minehut remove anything

[wheat raptor]

Its against Minecraft's rules

[little herald]

which isnt minehuts rules once again

[wheat raptor]

Y'know the thing Minehut is on

[little herald]

which minehut doesnt have to make servers abide by unless minecraft tells it to

which has always been their policy

[wet sinew]

Gambling crate keys isn't against the rules?

[wheat raptor]

Hooooly this is so stupid

It's like my brain is getting bashed in with a flaming baseball bat

[wet sinew]

This guy is a brick wall

[little herald]

💀

ironic

[wheat raptor]

I wouldn't even give him that integrity at least brick walls have a use

[wet sinew]

💯

[wheat raptor]

Now I'm insulting

[little herald]

what do i even say here

[wheat raptor]

I'd leave if I were you

[little herald]

cant even have a proper argument without going to children insults

[magic shard]

guys this is mostly beyond the point
why cant we simply agree that a non payed rank buff would at least be a start

[wheat raptor]

I feel like my insults are significantly more intellectual than a child's

[wet sinew]

You say that you are arguging against getting p2w removed because you want to sit atop of your mighty 8 box server money milking empire

[little herald]

we can, alexk is just going on and on about his point

[little herald]

BRO????? im not arguing about anything, YOU brought up P2W I was here arguing about how rank update is ok but default ranks should have more ads

[magic shard]

well yes, but the responses also arent perfectly constructive

[little herald]

thats all my statement was and always has been

[wheat raptor]

I'm gonna lose it

[little herald]

then lose it

you already have from what ive seen

[wet sinew]

p2w is on topic wym without p2w servers no one would buy the ass 100$ monthly ad patron rank

[magic shard]

no p2w would make the problem better
but not solve it

[little herald]

$600 is better?

what

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/interesting-batman-very-interesting-thinking-gif-16421084

[little herald]

im confused, isnt $600 worse?

[wheat raptor]

https://tenor.com/view/dumb-stupid-smooth-brain-idiot-gif-20901280

[little herald]

from what im seeing its easier to get good ranks

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/all-knowing-brain-red-blue-brain-velea-brain-maria-brain-pine-velea-gif-25748277

[little herald]

alexk pov:

[wheat raptor]

You've turned me into that fr

Hearing a non ironic argument on the side of keeping pay to win servers because they cause no issue makes me feel like they placed my brain in Chernobyl, then returned it to my body after 25 years of radiation damage and expect that it would work the same

[little herald]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-it-was-time-for-thomas-to-leave-he-had-seen-everything-it-was-time-for-thomas-to-leave-he-had-seen-everything-gif-19039945

[deep wing]

Yes they do 💀 it’s just like YouTube has to follow legal laws made by other governments lmfao

Minecraft has to do the same thing meaning Minehut has to aswell

Which if servers break EULA on minehut that endangers Minehut itself because they are the platform it’s being hosted on and they DO have the power to control them

It’s not like the servers are gonna COMPLETELY shut down

They’re just gonna have to rework until they fit the EULA

which then leads to no more 300 dollar ranks for prot 23 godsets and 3 stacks of egaps!!!!

[little herald]

Trent themselves said they don't need to enforce the EULA. they are in a discord with the mojang ppl and if they tell them to suspend a server only then they do it

stop speaking about stuff you know nothing about

[deep wing]

Alright so they just have “sub-servers” breaking Eula

[little herald]

they are a server hosting company but they have a special arrangement which mc recognised

[main glen]

(edited) xD

the old one was better

[abstract laurel]

Okay so they'll go ahead and manually check the 9099561 servers hosted by Minehut

And check the 6,000 online right now for P2w

[deep wing]

No 💀

Still

It’s an infraction of the EULA

but do you think minecraft is gonna look for a 12 player server with heavy p2w?

No

They mainly went for larger populated servers

[abstract laurel]

Then report the minehut.gg IP to mojang

Any other host doesn't check servers

[deep wing]

It’s still wrong

These servers majorly profit from little kids

Which is again, against EULA

[wet sinew]

"Buy a rank"

[frozen moon]

They are still giving out a free egg rank just a better one to people who buy a rank.

[frozen moon]

What do you mean by this?

[inland tangle]

Not necessarily better just a coloured prefix

No productive difference so I don't see why it's not a little fun thing for the people that buy ranks

[small grail]

bro why u so angry at it

😭

skyblock stick back to ur skript grind

[wet sinew]

BRO they turned easter into a CASH GRAB

I can't just sit here and say nothing

[wet sinew]

This is the first holiday related event that has been effected by p2w. Goes to show that SamD is desprate to get people to buy the new monthly paid ranks.

imo if you put in the effort to get the EGG rank you should get free monthly ads nothing crazy maybe 10! whole ads

[inland tangle]

it's not that much effort

i literally have a short guide for it

[little herald]

walking over to coordinates isnt hard imo

aint even that far

[wet sinew]

Still doesn't change the fact that this is the first holiday related event that has been effected by money

If it's hard or not still would be cool to get some type of reward other than just the word [EGG] beside your name

[inland tangle]

it's a small little fun cosmetic thing

[inland tangle]

not everything has to be a massive MH Unlimited

small things are cool too

[little herald]

everything is affected by money

[wet sinew]

Now look, I don't wanna eggsagurate my opinion on this update, nor do I want to make a yolk out of my opinion. But simply put, I eggspected more from this update Sam. The idea was right but the eggsecution was completely scrambled. I feel the rank was not as eggceptional as the announcements made it out to be. I recommend you eggvaluate your methodology and return next year with more eggsperience in the field

[wet sinew]

Weren't these for free from participating in the lobby event

[inland tangle]

that was abby making egg puns for fun

what does that..

[wet sinew]

Maybe it was that jukebox cosmetic

[little herald]

cosmetics werent

which is what the egg rank is

i cant believe you are really arguing over a few more colors in the same rank 💀

[inland tangle]

not to mention they have to do extra stuff to get the coloured tag anyway

you don't just get it by having a monthly rank you have to do 2 other challenges

[wet sinew]

I'm just trying to gauge Minehuts direction based off bread crumbs like the EGG rank and how holiday events were previously hosted.

[inland tangle]

we've never done much stuff for easter before but that's because this is the first of this holiday with SamD

things are obviously gonna be different than previously

[deep wing]

Do you think minehut is gonna use EULA on a 12 player server? No. But they use it on hundred-thousand player servers because they’re the popular ones that need to be following EULA guidelines because kids are mostly monetized there

[frozen moon]

Okay thanks

[eternal fulcrum]

This egg is not there

The entity egg is just simply not there

[inland tangle]

oh yeah that's not the newest map

#random message

those are the exact coordinates according to the event's code

[eternal fulcrum]

is it on github? the event plugin code? "Scavenger"

[inland tangle]

no, pop4959 sent me the coords

[inland tangle]

go underneath your current location

[eternal fulcrum]

lol
Anyways, tysm.

[inland tangle]

yw

[wet sinew]

Nah bro just telling people the exact locations of each egg ruins it

[inland tangle]

but i thought the egg rank was useless according to you?

shouldn't matter that much?

also nothing stopping someone from just searching for it yourself

[wet sinew]

Yeah it is useless so it's fine

[inland tangle]

?? lmao and you wonder why we get mad when you literally change your opinion

[wet sinew]

It's no big deal I was just throwing out an idea that maybe it should have atleast some use other than being a cosmetic but since you can just send everyone the exact coords of each egg and it's a cake walk then it shouldn't have a use.

[green bolt]

imagine spending $5 for a rank you can still get for free by /voting

yes ik you can't get it in time now

but if you had 800 credits before

you can get the rank

without paying $5

[wet sinew]

@leaden hazel If this post gets 100 upvotes will you consider changing the ranks update

[wild comet]

i love the minehut ranks update. before the update, i was always bullied for having white chat by the nons. now, everybody has grey chat and im no longer bullied. thank you minehut

[wet sinew]

I guess yeah it gives nons equality

[wild comet]

equality

[wet sinew]

yes

[wild comet]

there's three sides atm

rich people that are gonna keep spending money

poor people (like me) with og ranks

nons that dont care

[wet sinew]

Well not a complete equality just lessens it. but grey chat color is just a drop of water in the ocean

I do think it would be cool if og ranks had white chat color though

[wild comet]

i really dont care about the update since i just hop in to enjoy some fun games
understand where people are coming from tho

if og ranks get white chat, ill be happy

[wet sinew]

Look at it from a server owners perspective yes if you're just a minehut player the ranks update doesn't really effect you

[wild comet]

yea im not an advertiser. i just got vip with my points so i can fly around

[little herald]

tbh at the moment, it does require less upfront money to get your foot in the door

this update is just not good for people who have no money at all to spend

[wet sinew]

Before the ranks update it required more upfront money but you benefit a lot more long term because the rank was permanent...

[little herald]

I mean it’s good for new players more isn’t it?

And if you can begin getting popular paying $100 a month for it shouldn’t be that hard. It will also only begin becoming bad after 6 months, and if you have been adding and paying for patreon for 6 months and your server is still not popular enough to even give 100 a month then like

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wet sinew]

I'm gonna try to come up with something vague on the spot here I don't think you can get away with selling non p2w cosmetics on a minehut server for more than $5. If you include tax and stuff it's more like $3.50 so you need to find 28 people willing to buy it in a month yes it's possible but it seems pretty far fetched.

[little herald]

Many people buy our cosmetic kill effects so

[wet sinew]

For a non p2w server starting out

[little herald]

Then look at liable

Liable isn’t p2w and it started out just a month a ago and it’s cosmetic

And they buy lots of ads

[wet sinew]

"isn't p2w"

[little herald]

According to Eula that isn’t p2w

[wet sinew]

According to me that is p2w

@wheat raptor 💀

[little herald]

?

But isn’t it in the eula if it’s not pvp it’s fine?

Idk I haven’t properly read it

[wet sinew]

Bro you're literally paying irl money to get crate keys to get an advanatge

Not to mention you're probably giving minehut kids a gambling addiction

[little herald]

Yeah but according to eula that isn’t a against it right

[wet sinew]

Liable is only able to buy monthly ads because they're p2w LOL

[main glen]

we don't call that p2w because lootboxes are still obtainable in the server

you can call it pay to not grind

[tender apex]

no its not, its one of the servers on minehut with less p2w, everything is optainable without paying a cent.

[barren lotus]

Semi-p2w

[wet sinew]

90 upvotes we need 10 more we've got this

[main glen]

it reached more than 200 sign

[wet sinew]

https://chng.it/DLtFMGn4wH

Yes

[wheat raptor]

I believe p2w is considered

1. something that is only accessable through paying
2. it has to add an advantage to playing the game

So if it's a cosmetic that doesn't do anything but look pretty it's not p2w

If it's a crate key but you can (without spending money) earn crate keys by doing x amount of tasks (and it's the same keys you can get from purchasing) then it's not p2w

[little herald]

well so then ig my point stands

[green bolt]

i think ranks should be similar to the ones from hypixel

they're purely cosmetic

and vip gives white text

and like someone said before minehut can have colored ads and stuff bundled with plans instead

[wheat raptor]

Well if ranks are purely cosmetic then there wouldn't be more ads per month for them

Which is why Minehut is p2w

Like it's not regular p2w like other servers, but it's p2w in the sense where if you spend 600 a month on patron you've got more to grow your server

[wet sinew]

Exactly...

[small grail]

https://tenor.com/view/textbox-donowall-gif-25230854

[wet sinew]

You're a minehut simp and agree with p2w servers I get it dude...

[small grail]

nope

i would never agree with p2w servers

[wet sinew]

Go back to coding wynncraft in kotlin

[small grail]

making money out of minehut should be shameful

im not doing it 😭

im doing html

[wet sinew]

guh

https://tenor.com/view/squid-clear-myself-gif-meme-gif-25725527

[inland tangle]

how off the mark do you have to be for Moco & Arti, possibly the most argumentative people i know (no offense) to disagree with you

[wet sinew]

Peoples argument is if it's not against Mojang EULA then it's not p2w. That's such a poor perspective to have. It's like saying if there isn't a law to commit a crime then it's ok

[small grail]

skyblock is my biggest fan

[inland tangle]

your arguments are based on things that are factually wrong

your entire front runner is reverting the update when that doesn't reflect your actual points at all

you can't say it's p2w and then not expect someone to bring up the EULA because that's literally what p2w means in the minecraft context

[celest saddle]

blatant ignore by all staff

[inner copper]

ikr

[little herald]

???? It isnt a crime. and it was you guys who brought up how non-eula compliant (p2w) servers should be banned, so obviously we would be talking about the eula

[wet sinew]

analogy

[little herald]

your anology said having your predefined 'p2w' elements in your server (even if it isnt against EULA) is a crime

[wet sinew]

Ok looks like that anaology didn't land well with you I will try another one. If your parents say only take one cookie out of the cookie jar but you take two instead.

[little herald]

💀 what

[inland tangle]

To go with your analogy, let me use one that's similar, your sheer determination here is the equivalent to eating something expired a month ago and then only feeling the effects now

[hexed relic]

ye u guys right shut down every single server advertising website for also selling promoted slots

[inland tangle]

lmao

[hexed relic]

what they complained that people who spent money got more players

[hexed relic]

yk what shutdown EVERY company for spending money to get more customers

[inland tangle]

shutdown Roblox because they have paid advertisements on their website for different games

shutdown Twitter because there's paid advertisement tweets

[hexed relic]

facebook

tiktok

yt

GOOGLE

[inland tangle]

shutdown Snapchat because you have to pay for advertisements

shutdown Spotify because the free version has paid advertisements

[hexed relic]

yep

shutdown colleges because they advertise to high schoolers

shutdown minecraft bedrock edition

shutdown target

[main glen]

Good comparisons

[inland tangle]

thank you

[hexed relic]

^^

[lapis wolf]

its different from that stuff. those companies had those features implemented in the first place. ads for real companies are different from ads for minecraft servers

if the majority of the userbase uses advertisements then making an update where the majority of the userbase cant use advertisements will make a lot of people mad

[inland tangle]

that's cool but shouldn't we be grateful we had it in the first place

[lapis wolf]

and now we basically dont even have it

we cant even send 1 ad per day

over 1 month

and now people have more of a reason to spam chat with advertisements that dont use /ad

which will flood out the people who used 1 of their 20 monthly ads

the ENTIRE CHAT RN is all people spam advertising without /ad

it used to be a few people from now and then

but now this is so much more of a problem

maybe instead of focusing on money you should focus on finding a solution that makes the community happy and still keeps some profit?

[inland tangle]

that's cool but did you know minehut has mod apps open

and is actively trying to fix that

[lapis wolf]

the ad cooldown system was good enough

also the only reason you probably dont care is because you have patron rank with some 40 player server or smth

[inland tangle]

i don't own a public server nor do i have patron rank

[lapis wolf]

then the only reason you dont care is because the problem doesnt affect you

[inland tangle]

it does

i lost money from this

i coped heavily and just got on with it

[deep wing]

People still complain just not as dedicated as you

The only people fighting against it rn are minehut meatriders, p2w server owners, etc.

[inland tangle]

so everyone that disagrees with you is bad?

that's a great way to debate

[lapis wolf]

the majority of the people that disagree with us are those people

doesnt mean all of them are

[inland tangle]

are they that or are you labelling them that because they disagree with you

seriously

[lapis wolf]

its the people that arent affected/affect positively by it

[inland tangle]

everyone on minehut is affected by this update

[lapis wolf]

exactly

[inland tangle]

yeah

so that point is invalid

[lapis wolf]

some people dont have any public servers

and dont use /ad

so it doesnt affect them that much

like you

and some people are rich enough that they can just buy 20 alts with patron to spam ads anyways

[inland tangle]

it is literally cheaper to get your server out there now than it was previously in the short-term

[lapis wolf]

and its much more expensive to grow ur server now

ur not considering the long-term

the average player could have put out around 10 ads a day if they were committed

now they can only do that for 2 days

[inland tangle]

how does the long-term matter

you want people to know your server in 2 years rather than today?

[lapis wolf]

how doesnt it matter?

short term is working on the server

[inland tangle]

no

[lapis wolf]

long term is growing the server

[inland tangle]

lmao

[lapis wolf]

also how?

monthly ranks mean more money to spend for ads

[inland tangle]

🤔 did you actually read my message

'cause the monthly ranks cost less than the permanent ones do

[lapis wolf]

still means more money to spend

and its also 100x less ads

because people could have gotten around 10 ads a day without a rank earlier

[little herald]

you have 6 months to make a server successful

i would imagine its easier?

if you cant do anything in 6 months im pretty sure your server is failing

[lapis wolf]

thats literally only 120 ads though

[little herald]

?

patreon costs $100 a month

[lapis wolf]

with no rank

[little herald]

6 months is $600

[lapis wolf]

exactly

[little herald]

you get thousands of ads

[inland tangle]

that's 12,000 ads

[little herald]

with patreon

wdym

[lapis wolf]

exactly how minehut is p2w now

[inland tangle]

short term

[lapis wolf]

do you think that someone trying to start a new server just has 600 laying around

[inland tangle]

creating a business in real life costs money

[little herald]

no, WHICH IS WHY ITS $100 TO START NOW

you dont need $600 upfront anymore

you just proved our point

lmao

[inland tangle]

you can't just wake up and say "i'm going to create the next Apple out of nowhere for absolutely free"

[lapis wolf]

if someone isnt willing to spend that much money (which is at least 50% of people) then they cant even do anything

[little herald]

you cant get everything infinitley for free

it just aint gonna happen

[inland tangle]

there's a reason people need loans and stuff to start up companies

same thing for minehut servers

except we don't have the option of loans for obvious reasons

[little herald]

how much is legend again?

in dollars

[lapis wolf]

most of the actually good and creative servers get shunned out by the fact that people spend thousands to make their crappy box server get 100 players or smth

[little herald]

what

again, let me bring up the example of liable

• unique
• non p2w
• grew their server with this update and the ad system in slots

your whole point is just not true

[inland tangle]

legend is 8000 credits / month

that's $50/60

depending on whether you subscribe or one-time

plus you'd have some left over

[little herald]

so $50 a month for around 30 ads a day, which isnt bad at all

[inland tangle]

and if you're going 6 months you'd presumably subscribe

[lapis wolf]

the majority of the community is not willing to spend that much money just for a server

spending 50$ on a brand new server is not profitable

[little herald]

if they werent, why were so many ranks bought before when they were like 10x more expensive?

[lapis wolf]

the only way that can be profitable is if the server was p2w af

[little herald]

yes it is

my ikea server made like $60 in the first month it started

and i only advertised it with vip a few times

[lapis wolf]

also p2w is against the minecraft eula

[little herald]

ok?

[little herald]

^

[little herald]

^

they had 100 players on a day or so ago

[lapis wolf]

i tried to grow a lifesteal server with only vip

it had 6 players max after 2 months

[little herald]

💀

bro says this:

most of the actually good and creative servers get shunned out by the fact that people spend thousands to make their crappy box server get 100 players or smth

then says hes making a lifesteal

[lapis wolf]

the average player cant grow a server anymore

average

[little herald]

?

[lapis wolf]

regular players who just want to make a server for people to enjoy without the costs cant grow a server now

[inland tangle]

let's not forget that most server hosts require money

you would have to do that growing with money regardless

but without minehut's community

[lapis wolf]

the fact that minehuts advertising system let new servers slightly compete against bigger servers more than now was nice

[little herald]

how does it not let you compete with bigger servers

[lapis wolf]

you literally get much less ads than before

while bigger servers can easily just buy a few alts and have as many ads as they want

[little herald]

what

you do know those people put time effort and money into the server right

so them getting players annoys you?

[inland tangle]

i mean previously these big servers would still have their patron accounts advertising all the time

[little herald]

and you are mad that with you not paying anyone, with you getting servers completly for free, that you can't compete with peopel who are paying a lot of money?

[inland tangle]

the difference was that their ads were all infinite

[lapis wolf]

the fact that they can make other servers much more insignificant is the annoying part

[little herald]

if you have a bit of money, you can compete with bigger servers

[lapis wolf]

yknow

people make servers for fun

[little herald]

if you want to make the biggest server on minehut completely for free, that aint gonna happen

[lapis wolf]

not all for money

if someone wants to have a fun server with a good community then they literally have to do it with money

[little herald]

ok? so then why do you care about competing with bigger servers at all, if its all just for fun

if all you want is a good community why are you trying to compete with the bigger servers

[inland tangle]

defaults having 4 ads a month is scuffed as hell but this other tangent youre going off on is completely wrong

[lapis wolf]

and people wont want to do that

[little herald]

i agree

defaults ads were too low

but yeah this update itself is ok

[lapis wolf]

people dont want monthly ads

there was nothing wrong with the old system

[inland tangle]

he says, being one person

there was a lot actually

these big servers had permanent patron ranks with the lowest cooldowns that could ad infinitely

[lapis wolf]

this thread has 102 people reacting with ✅

[inland tangle]

does not that seem more unfair

[inland tangle]

you can't determine someone's opinion based off a reaction on a vague statement

[lapis wolf]

does this thread name not imply that the new update isnt good?

[little herald]

and minehut has 8000 people on right now

[inland tangle]

the thread name is worse than the argument itself imo

reverting is a horrible solution

but regardless

[little herald]

never mind its 12000

[inland tangle]

and that's just rn

[lapis wolf]

and 3 people who reacted with ❌

[little herald]

that is 0.8% of mh community (including only online players, probably even smaller if considering total community)

[little herald]

because none of us care to react with it

[inland tangle]

if you're grasping for reactions now that's a bit desperate don't you think

[lapis wolf]

most of us dont care to react to it

theres still 11900 other people who havent reacted

[little herald]

ok, so then lets just count everyone who came into this thread

even people who like this update

[lapis wolf]

about 70

[little herald]

thats 77 people

even lower

[lapis wolf]

and?

[little herald]

and what

[inland tangle]

is the update perfect? no. is monthly ads a bad system? no.

[lapis wolf]

counting the amount of people in this thread doesnt mean anything

[little herald]

shows the amount of people interested

[lapis wolf]

that still means at least 70 people who didnt like the system are interested

[little herald]

theres around like 120k people in minehuts discord right?

so lets say half of them are active

60k

you know what even half of that

30k

you know what even half of that

15k

[hard zodiac]

not even 10% are active

[little herald]

alright then 10%

12000

[inland tangle]

10% is literally the amount of people online right now

[little herald]

💀

[inland tangle]

to be fair you couldnt have picked a worse percentage

[hard zodiac]

general chat can be dead for 1 hour straight

[inland tangle]

not during these times it can't

[little herald]

even with 10% thats 0.8% of mh community

and thats just discord

[lapis wolf]

most researchers irl take only about 1k people or less to determine stats for most of the world

[little herald]

what

[lapis wolf]

its not like they need to poll all 8b of them to get accurate results

[inland tangle]

then don't speak for everyone if you aren't going to hear everyone

[little herald]

exactly

[lapis wolf]

just because a small amount of the community cares about this argument doesnt mean they dont have an opinion

[inland tangle]

we've lost sight of what this thread was ever gonna be about

[little herald]

yeah

this thread itself started off bad

[inland tangle]

this is the rabbit hole

[little herald]

just against p2w not even against the actual update

[hard zodiac]

can someone log into minehut and see if they fixed the offline message error

[inland tangle]

what is the offline message error

the message that appears if someone's offline?

[hard zodiac]

do message trent

[hard zodiac]

ye

[inland tangle]

trent doesn't work at minehut anymore

[hard zodiac]

ive reported it today

[hard zodiac]

i know

but just for an example

[inland tangle]

thats just a placeholder its not that big of a deal

[hard zodiac]

yeah but still

[inland tangle]

when minehut literally takes action against p2w servers when mojang is concerned:

[hexed relic]

no bc if u dont chat in it for some time or something ur removed

[lapis wolf]

so more than 70

[shrewd robin]

why so? it has zero benefit for the consumer, which is ultimately the reason I have been campaigning against this change--with the additions of the subscription model and removal of the features of old ranks, holders of formerly useful ranks on minehut lost their monetary value in the rank as a one-time purchase for absolutely nothing in return. also the ranks were often priced at hundreds of dollars in their cost; none of that value was ever refunded in the maintenance of privileges for old ranks.

[shrewd robin]

'we'? byteskript was the person who initially began making comments about what portion of the community care for this change. to state that 'we' are discussing irrelevant information is perhaps the greatest contradiction in this thread. also as I have stated before you can't group people in thread together when we have been discussing individual interpretations and solutions to this problem.

[wet sinew]

You're right the only servers that should be plastered across your screen when you first join minehut are unoriginal box, gen or skymining servers because they have the most wealth from their p2w irl shop.

Minehut will survive when it's 99% box, gen or skymining but it's just a sad reality

There's a server called diamondfire that showcases what minehut could be if it wasn't driven by money

[halcyon dome]

blatant ad? probably.

am i going to go look at diamondfire layer? yeah. probably.

[wet sinew]

I think it's always possible to revert yes the first few days of the ranks update being reverted people will be pissed but then people will become accustomed to it. Minehut will regain their respect back from being self aware that they made a bad change

[inland tangle]

If Minehut never makes a mistake they will never learn from it

[wet sinew]

Well they made a mistake with the ranks update and they've learnt and now they should act upon it

[inland tangle]

By.. completely going the other way and being a laughing stock for the community? That they held this update for a month and then decided to randomly change it back?

What about the people who currently have subscriptions

It's literally the same situation as before with the permanent ranks: they paid.

[wet sinew]

Give those people a refund easy

[inland tangle]

that's literally the same-

i don't know why i still try

[wet sinew]

Or they could give people some special type of rank who payed for a monthly ad sub idk

That special rank would only be temporary because the monthly sub is temporary

[inland tangle]

Oh BuT tHeY NeVeR SaId We'D GeT a SpEcIaL rAnK iF wE bOuGhT a SuBsCrIpTiOn So ItS uNfAiR

[halcyon dome]

they sure as hell cant refund by now

[inland tangle]

if your solution to an issue is to completely undo it a month after causing it then i'm sorry but you should never be considered for a management position

[wet sinew]

They refunded partly with the other og ranks up to 5 months from purchase

[halcyon dome]

if any changes happen from here on out its just damage control

[inland tangle]

so you think we should do the biggest form of damage control

[wet sinew]

Damage control?

[inland tangle]

and literally act like the entire thing never happened

[halcyon dome]

theres no chance it just completely reverts.

#revertranks is only there cuz it sounds nice

[wet sinew]

Yes because minehut will regain their trust from showing the community that they are aware they made a mistake and are acting upon it instead of just allowing it to continue

[inland tangle]

yeah that'll be real trustworthy

[wet sinew]

What about a partial revert

[inland tangle]

don't you just love your admin team completely going back on their own controversial decisions

god that places so much of my confidence in that team!

and their ability to make changes!

wow i think i trust these guys

[halcyon dome]

imma be straight up, i agree with your general viewpoints, but every single idea you have is basically impossible

[wet sinew]

maybe they should do stuff the minehut community has been asking for years like multiple people being able to access a console without the login credentials. Why do something controversial when there's more important stuff to be done

[inland tangle]

they've talked about this before

it's physically impossible unless they rewrite the entire internals of minehut

[wet sinew]

I don't believe that... That's a cover up

[halcyon dome]

L dev team who made code without specific feature in mind

[wet sinew]

fr

[halcyon dome]

do you code at all ever

[inland tangle]

i want to be as civilised as possible but i am going to just say this

you physically pain me to talk to

i feel my brain diminishing with every word you speak

[wet sinew]

Yeah I do and you don't need to rewrite everything in order to allow two people to access a console lol it's through a website

[inland tangle]

they'd have to rewrite their entire login system

and also probably allow real-time changes across both devices

they could keep it the same and just expand on it; yes; but that would just be delaying them eventually fixing the old code

[halcyon dome]

when the extent of your programs are a whole 7 lines with half an if statement, it won't be particularly difficult to change.

i don't like minehut's recent decisions, but let's not just attack anything and everything they say or have said.

[dusty ocean]

To prevent furthor spam in the forum, I'm going to be renaming the post ever so slightly just to remove the hashtag, you can change it after but please prevent any hashtags just to keep this forum clean

Revert The Update

[wet sinew]

... Did SamD tell you to do this. I bet the higher ups want to nuke all the posts criticising the p2w rank update

[dusty ocean]

nope

I've been closing posts that are trying to spam the title, I did this myself since it's getting annoying

[wet sinew]

Ok so you're just on a power trip and want to change the post because why not

[dusty ocean]

I'm changing it since the post encourages spam because of the hashtag

[wet sinew]

It's because a lot of people feel the same way?

[dusty ocean]

i havent closed other posts talking about the update, just ones spamming the title

for example:

[wet sinew]

How does it change anything having a # or no hashtag I don't understand

[dusty ocean]

#1095002250029568020

hashtags encourage people to spread using them

[wet sinew]

I think you're just trying to find stuff to moderate because you want to be promoted or keep your rank after the volunteer period is over...

[dusty ocean]

the volunteer period is indefinite, and there is no higher rank for me

[wet sinew]

It was completely unnecessary to remove a hashtag

[dusty ocean]

I'm just trying to prevent spam 🤷

[dusty ocean]

it's been promoting spam in the forum

like I've shown you and mentioned

[wet sinew]

People are still going to feel the same way towards the update if there is or isn't a hashtag

[dusty ocean]

thats ok

[wet sinew]

It literally does nothing

[dusty ocean]

I just don't want spam to continue

[wet sinew]

#Revert The Update

[dusty ocean]

I've also redirected them here to continue

I never said I fully agreed with the update, I think the change was necessary but a few things should change, thats my opinion

I'm purely doing this to crack down on spam

[inland tangle]

what is his obsession in thinking everything is some conspiracy or plan 😭

[unreal ferry]

He changed it back too

[little herald]

wdym nothing in return? people who bought ranks recently were either partially or fully refunded, people who bought them a while ago and did get use out of their ranks were then given a og rank

[little herald]

what? let me bring up some comments for you

if someone isnt willing to spend that much money (which is at least 50% of people) then they cant even do anything

• EgaCool

most of the actually good and creative servers get shunned out by the fact that people spend thousands to make their crappy box server get 100 players or smth

• EgaCool

the majority of the community is not willing to spend that much money just for a server

• EgaCool

I was not the one who brought it up, but I was the one to show that the argument was not in favour for the reverting
of the update

[little herald]

💀 nah bruh

how old are you

[wet sinew]

I bought ranks older than 5 months and got nothing refunded

[little herald]

So we're going to be automatically sending refunds to anyone who purchased a rank in the past 5 months. Anyone who purchased a rank in the past 30 days will get 100% refund, anyone in the past 60 days a 80% refund, and so on.

[little herald]

and i did say recently

[inland tangle]

I mean tbf if you bought it more than 5 months ago it's not gonna harm you financially

[wet sinew]

What if you bought patron 6 months ago boom $600 dollars thanos snapped out of existence

[little herald]

You probably already had use of it for as much as it would have costed if it was a monthly rank

[wet sinew]

I agree you would of had the same value potential. But still you bought the rank initially thinking it was permanent

[little herald]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

I honestly don’t know what else they could have done

[inland tangle]

i've said this b4 but you can't complain that you thought it was permanent because a debate doesn't care about what you think

if they said "oh this rank is permanent"

that would be a solid point

[hexed relic]

They did state in ToS they DO NOT MAKE PROMISES about services or products, of which RANKS ARE PRODUCTS

[small grail]

Santio couldnt care less about a mh rank tbf

[obtuse birch]

#1085330964437278761 message dude changed the title back after being told not to

[tough hazel]

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