Rank Update Post

[brave storm]

Thats not how equity works and not how they solve the problem

[wheat raptor]

Well that's possible

But I doubt it would b enough

[brave storm]

Wouldnt even be a fraction

[wet sinew]

You can still convert equity into money it just takes longer still possible

[wheat raptor]

They could sell everything they own related to advertising and VR and become solely a company that only owns Minehut

But that's not gonna happen

[wet sinew]

Yeah their VR stuff is a dumpsterfire and should sell that asap

[wheat raptor]

SLG will sell the rights to own Minehut away before they sell any of their advertising or metaverse stuff

Because Minehut isn't their main project

[wet sinew]

It's beyond me how they're -52mill in the hole and haven't started selling off their assets

[wheat raptor]

But yeah I was right all along you both were kinda being stupid

[brave storm]

You dont know that

You dont what revenue stream brings SLG More money

[wheat raptor]

I mean we know it's not Minehut

[brave storm]

You stupid we have the same take

Like stop acting high and mighty

[wheat raptor]

I mean your argument was stupid

He didn't understand how equity worked completely and you didn't understand he wasn't only talking about equity

[wet sinew]

I do VR is a lost cause and they need to focus on minehut the #2 minecraft server in the world

[wheat raptor]

Okay that's a bad take sky you've lost me

[wet sinew]

VR chat is DEAD

it ain't 2020 anymore

[wheat raptor]

They don't own VR chat

They don't do games they do software

[brave storm]

I understood exactly what he ment

[wet sinew]

You didn't

[wheat raptor]

You didn't really no

[brave storm]

Yeah I did you acted thats a leaked document

And everyone called you out on it

[wheat raptor]

You thought he was saying that SLG was making money

He knew they weren't

He just thought that equity could save SLG and that's not how it works

So you're both wrong against nothing each other and now you guys need to kiss and make up

At the end of the day we're coming to a close on the road that is Minehut and this isn't gonna matter when it all it's the fan

[brave storm]

No I didnt your literally stupid

[wheat raptor]

Hits*

[brave storm]

I didnt say anything about money or stocks or equity I called him out on syaing its a leaked document which it isnt

Its public records

And he showed it to me

Thats how it started

[wheat raptor]

.

You said that he said that SLG isn't losing money

[brave storm]

Yeah that equity can save them by using it to gain money

Thats not equity works

[wheat raptor]

Correct, that's what he didn't know

He thought it was savable regardless of them losing money, you thought he thought they were just still making money

[brave storm]

Yeah no scroll up where this started and it was just me calling him out for calling this document leaked

Which it isnt

[wheat raptor]

I'm ngl I'm not gonna do that because I'm lazy but I think you two just need to make up and agree that SLG dying and that is sad

[brave storm]

Idc if SLG dies out

Could care less

[wheat raptor]

Why are you here then lol

[brave storm]

Free Advertisement

Not free but decent player flow

[wheat raptor]

Free advertisement vs Four advertisment

[brave storm]

I dint /ad and still gain players joining the server

So not everything needs /ad

[wheat raptor]

Oh you're this guy

[brave storm]

Thats where this thread is trash

[wheat raptor]

Yeah you have an external server with an already established playerbase you don't count

[brave storm]

Yeah Im not braindead and pay Minehut for /ad

[wheat raptor]

You aren't a small new Minehut based creator who's starting out with nothing you've got a 1600 person discord and a 10 year old passed down server

[brave storm]

I used my money into content creators

Like a smart owner would

[wheat raptor]

Ehhhh

Not really in this age but I get it

But hey who's the high and mighty one now amiright

[brave storm]

Our server may not rely on Minehut

But 50 players joining without doing anything is 50 players

Say what you will

And thats cause we have a unique server on Minehut. We joined a dying community of people complaining of the same server over and over again

[wheat raptor]

I mean you're not getting 50 players joining without doing anything off of Minehut

It just doesn't work like that

[brave storm]

Im not /ad

At all btw Im VIP I wasted my 30 days ago

And Im still getting people joining

[wheat raptor]

Yeah I'm just making the claim that that's not at all how Minehut works

[brave storm]

Aight my point stands I dont even need VIP to gain players

Im gaining them either way

[wheat raptor]

You're either omitting something or you're lying

[brave storm]

I got 50+ unique joins since joining Minehut

[wheat raptor]

Oh

Unique joins

[brave storm]

I havent been on this platform more than 2 weeks

And gained 50 players

[wheat raptor]

Unique joins isn't anything

[brave storm]

50 and out of those 50 34ish joined our discord

Thats a +

Like it or not thats the hard fact

[wheat raptor]

I still think that's either an omission or a lie because again that's not really how it works

[brave storm]

My server is on the server list

You realize that right?

[wheat raptor]

Like, an actual one?

[brave storm]

No the ingame minehut one

[wheat raptor]

Okay yeah every server that doesn't have a whitelist on is on the server list

[brave storm]

I can have 0 players and its still gone be there but the point is when my testers play the game which is about 30 players the server goes up in the list and people recongize that

So they join the game and the Testers show them around

[wheat raptor]

If you're getting 50 unique joins it's specifically from people using the randomizer portal

[brave storm]

Could be

[wheat raptor]

Okay, so you aren't doing nothing

[brave storm]

But even then thats a good feature

It doesnt always rely on /ad

[wheat raptor]

You have 30 players join the server that you've already got from external and then people see it and join

That's not nothing

That's having an external server linked into Minehut

[brave storm]

So?

[wheat raptor]

So you made the claim that you did nothing and got 50 unique joins with 34 discord joins and that was a lie

You inflated the count with 30 testers to boost up the player count and then people joined because it was higher

[brave storm]

The testers are simply testing a game in Beta

Then those 50 players ig saw people playing and joined in

[wheat raptor]

Yes but you said you did nothing and got players

[brave storm]

My testers have to test the damn game bro its in Beta they helping us Devs

[wheat raptor]

I'm not saying you can't do that I'm saying you lied about doing nothing

[brave storm]

But you think Im telling my testers to make the player count look like its big?

No they are Testing the game

[wheat raptor]

I think you're telling your testers to beta test resulting in the player count looking big

[brave storm]

Im getting active feedback

[wheat raptor]

So, kinda

You're not doing it specifically for player gain but you're also not "doing nothing"

[brave storm]

Im doing nothing in the sense of advertising

Im doing my job as a dev

Im not in the Minehut lobby begging for players

Thats my point

[wheat raptor]

That wasn't your claim though

[brave storm]

Id love for you to explain my claim

Since ig we dont speak the same language

[wheat raptor]

You just said that you didn't advertise and got 50 unique joins and 34 discord joins, I said

"well that's not really how it works if you're doing nothing you might get some random joins but not a ton of players that join the discord, they'll just join and leave"

You're like "well I am doing nothing BUT I do also tell my testers to test the beta and also there's 30 of them on at a time"

I'm like "okay well then you did do something you told your testers to get on resulting in your server getting pushed up in player count and therefore being actually visible on the server list"

And you were like "yeah but that's still not be advertising though "

And I was like "yeah dur but you're not doing 'nothing' like you said if you were doing 'nothing' you'd have nobody online testing resulting in a boosted player count, you have a more visible server because you brought your external testers on resulting it Minehut players joining without the need for advertisment "

[barren lotus]

How long have you been guys arguing lmao

Ive been spectating

[wheat raptor]

I dunno I just stay winning

Also I'm 7 hours into my work shift I'm bored out of my mind

[brave storm]

When does testing a game in Beta have to with advertising

I didnt even need to read that essay as its already invalidated

[wheat raptor]

I mean if you did read it you'd know that I said it didn't have to do with advertising but it was still more than the "nothing" you said you were doing

You made the claim you were gaining dedicated players without doing anything and you did do something, hold a beta test which pushed your server higher on the charts

A beta test you could hold only with your external players you already had

[brave storm]

Your braindead my point is I dont /ad I dont DM advertise and I dont sit in Minehutt lobby asking players to join

Thats the definition of doing nothing in the sense of actively advertising

[wheat raptor]

You're* but you're doing inactive advertising

It's like if there was a pop-up mall with a ton of people outside and a person drove by, saw the huge line and pulled over to see what it was

You've got people you've told to come play, people are seeing those people and joining

[brave storm]

The point is of this arguement you dont need /ad to gain players

Like I dont know how you missed the mark on that

[wheat raptor]

Yeah but your method of gaining players is to already have them

[brave storm]

Like braindead

[wheat raptor]

Which isn't viable to 99% of servers

[brave storm]

Do we know if Minehut has a detection system to remove NPCs or Fake players from server counts

[wheat raptor]

I'm not saying you're faking your player count either lol

[brave storm]

Nono

Thats not what Im saying

Im asking a sinple question

[wheat raptor]

There's not one

But it's usually obvious if you join

[brave storm]

Ok so anyone can inflate their numbers like they have players online

To make it seem on the minehut server list they have players on

[wheat raptor]

Yeah technically but it's against their rules

Botting isn't allowed

[brave storm]

Well its clearly allowed for top dog servers

But anyway you missed the point entirely

[wheat raptor]

I mean there's definitely some issues but that's moreso Minehut staff being bad and not an allowed permit to bot

[brave storm]

I understand what inactive advertising is but my point is Im as a person actively doing nothing but testing my game without the purpose of gaining players

[wheat raptor]

Sure, you have no intention of gaining players with what you're doing, however you're gaining players with what you're doing

[brave storm]

I have 2 Big Youtubers who made videos on the server and I still get people from those videos

[wheat raptor]

Okay so that's still not Minehut either

[brave storm]

Yeah but these 50 players are Minehut

As we ask them

And our Main IP is bugged rn

So if anyone where to try to join via those Youtube videos

They cant cause of Minehuts dumbass api

[wheat raptor]

I mean I'd love to see proof of them saying they're from Minehut but I'm making the claim that those players are from your inactive advertising and not from "nothing"

[brave storm]

Up to you to believe it Im not forcing you but my point stands. Hell I gain players when theres no test and my server just want to play games on their own

While Im off at work

So again my points stands

[wheat raptor]

I don't think that's true either unless that number is significantly smaller than your inactive advertising

[brave storm]

We have 50 players a Season

[wheat raptor]

Like it's people who chose random server and get linked to yours

[brave storm]

That doesnt matter tho how they get here

They clearly come from Minehut

People never mention in this thread the random portal feature

Which is sad cause its a good feature

[wheat raptor]

Well I mean it kinda does if you're trying to make the claim that without advertising and with doing nothing you can gain a full fledged working community

[brave storm]

Thats not point

Point is I can setup My server on 10 minecraft server list

And gain less players then simply being connected to Minehut

[wheat raptor]

See I just don't think that's true either

[brave storm]

Really cause your put at the very end of a server list website

Aint like Minehuts

[wheat raptor]

I think you're saying a ton of stuff without backing or proof and you're just saying it hoping I don't question it

[brave storm]

You can question it

Lol but I dont gotta provide you anything Im simply saying my rank and being apart of Minehut and lets say I have 4 Ads newbie player

Id still gain players

Why cause we a unique server from the garbage spammed on the server list

And people get interested and join our discord

[wheat raptor]

I mean the things you're claiming have happened to almost no server ever in the history of Minehut, regardless of how unique your server is

It just doesn't happen

[brave storm]

So you speak for every server?

[wheat raptor]

I mean right now against your claims yeah

[brave storm]

Cause you dont speak for my server

You prob dont speak for any servee on the top 3 pages

So that claim is false in my eyes

[wheat raptor]

I mean I kinda do

In this argument I know definitively that not a single server on the top three pages has grown without any push from advertising or external means

It just doesn't happen

[brave storm]

I mean its just how it is man idk what to tell you maybe children are getting bored of box servers

You can say its not possible but you just wanna defend the arguement of the ranks being trash

[wheat raptor]

I mean I haven't said that at all within this conversation

Ranks isn't even on my mind with what you're claiming

[brave storm]

Pointing to that conclusion

Again you dont speak for any server unless your Staff for a server or Own one

[wheat raptor]

You're*

[brave storm]

Im not speaking for BozoKits who is a Box server they may not get new players or maybe they do

I aint claiming all servers have had success

Just mine has

[wheat raptor]

I just don't exactly think you know what you're talking about and you're claiming things are happening that just never would

There's no convincing you against it so that's just sorta where the stalemate is

[brave storm]

You dont represent Minehut to even back up that statement

[wheat raptor]

What

What does that even mean

[brave storm]

To speak for every server big and small to say they have gained no players by not advertising

Thats a big statement

But maybe you a leaker like that other idiot

Who has leaked information that you would like to share

[wheat raptor]

There doesn't need to be leaked information you're just claiming that something is happening that never would

It's like you're claiming you won the presidency without even declaring you're running

It just doesn't happen

[brave storm]

Sure it doesnt

Random players finding your server on main lobby

Never happens

Might aswell scrap that lobby

Its useless

[wheat raptor]

No that happens, but you don't grow an entire community off of solely random joins without there being an additional force to get them to join and additionally stay

[brave storm]

Who saying I built a community those are people joining an exisiting community

These are people in the pvp space

Btw we are 1.8 Pvp and people say the demand is pretty high for that market of players

[wheat raptor]

Does anyone want to tag in for me here my brain is turning into mush listening to the invalidity of the argument

I tried my best but it's literally man talking to brick wall gif

https://tenor.com/view/guy-arguing-guy-talking-to-wall-talking-brick-wall-gif-18667615

[brave storm]

I mean you didnt even understand my original point

So I dont expect much from u

You just sit here and complain about ranks its quite sad honestly

[wheat raptor]

I don't think you understand your original point lol

I haven't said anything about ranks

[brave storm]

Have in the past

[wheat raptor]

What does that have to do with this completely unrelated argument

[brave storm]

Idk you gave up on your points so we moving on smth else

[wheat raptor]

Someone tag in for me I'm definitely moving on to something else lmao

Can't do brick wall simulator again

[brave storm]

Ill call that a win

Another succesful day on this forsaken thread

[wheat raptor]

I don't think you won I think I just intellectually lost a couple brain cells

[brave storm]

Your not that guy buddy Lmfao

[wheat raptor]

You're*

[brave storm]

Its crazy I share my pov of having a good expierence with Minehuts ranks and these #RevertTheUpdate Nerds come in all salty idk what to tell them anymore

Any excuse they come up with idk man they weird af

[obtuse birch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[barren lotus]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[wet sinew]

🇼

[obtuse birch]

bro made his pfp my gif

[obtuse birch]

?

[wet sinew]

SamD featured a racist owner in #community

[obtuse birch]

what server

also this is like the 3rd time

[wet sinew]

They've made many but atm cubeclicker or something

another one was tunneler or petsim

[obtuse birch]

and they also did fastbox

[wet sinew]

LOL I remember now yeah that server got terminated and they kept trying to revive it and bypass their ban

Average patron monthly sub buyer

[obtuse birch]

Minehut just let’s them evade now

They don’t care

[wet sinew]

Yep its sad... It's probably because they don't have a big enough moderation team like before because they only have a temporary volunteer staff atm

[obtuse birch]

No that’s wrong

[wet sinew]

Also it's super easy to bypass

[obtuse birch]

They just can’t read discord messages here and see the owner admitting to evading

[green bolt]

they're basically your average pvp femboy

that pretend to be an egirl

[wet sinew]

Exactly

[wet sinew]

YEAH it never happens which is why the update should be reverted

The chances someone clicks the random server button and end up on your server is a slim to none chance

and when you're starting out you're like on the 12th page of the server list and are basically an invisible server

I bet most people don't scroll past atleast the 3rd page

[wet sinew]

Isn't this a good thing?

If you're doing SamD a favour why would that change their mind and want to change the rank udpate

[inland tangle]

@urban pasture

[urban pasture]

ty

[wet sinew]

Bro why are you mini moding this is just a random thread on minehut discord

[inland tangle]

I’m not minimodding lmao that person was being a

[wet sinew]

What they said wasn't even that bad

[main glen]

Lol chat closed

[barren lotus]

my suggestion was so good that sam took it to the developers instantly

[main glen]

it leads to a messy chat

[wet sinew]

Man @leaden hazel doesn't understand their community at all

[wet sinew]

BRO YOU'RE THE REASON WE HAVE THIS TRASH UPDATE

[unreal ferry]

How are they the reason?

[frozen moon]

Man what did Kkonapxiel do to you

[wet sinew]

@inland tangle

[unreal ferry]

h u h

there's multiple people with a purple role

also, this isn't even the place to talk about that lol

[inland tangle]

yea nothing wrong im sure threatening and insulting an admin using inapp language is absolutely nothing wrong

[unreal ferry]

It's always the "I did nothing wrong" sadly

[wet sinew]

@small grail

[twin salmon]

🔥🔥🔥

[main glen]

Wtf

Free admin is the best one

[wet sinew]

I just feel like people should have to put in time and effort in exchange for promotion and /ad was exactly that minus the ad bots which could of been solved easily with a captcha system or it being monitored by staff.

[red oxide]

#Revert

[wet sinew]

#1085330964437278761 We've made a change a small area is now a no ad zone

Keep spreading the message #RevertTheUpdate and we will continue to see small changes like this one in the near future. Thank you all for your continued support.

[brave storm]

What does that have to do with ur cause

[unreal ferry]

“we”?

Anyway, neat thing but I doubt they’ll be reverting this update lol

[obtuse birch]

they wont

they wont consider

[wet sinew]

It's a step in the right direction and I doubt they would of made this change if #revertupdate didn't exist

[wet sinew]

I doubt you're part of our movement because you're a pink name minehut simp that agrees with everything minehut does

[unreal ferry]

??? lmfao what

I don’t care all that much for the rank update, I’ve only been pointing out that 1) reverting is very unlikely and 2) you didn’t have any involvement in the no-ad area other than possibly testing, hence why I said “‘we’?”

Also, even if I don’t care that much, the monthly caps for the cheaper ranks and default is pretty terrible. Your assumptions about me are just both incorrect and quite funny. Focus on your “movement”, don’t resort to personal attacks (or rather, attempts to lol)

[keen elm]

I thought the same thing about the chat reporting in the lobby and it was eventually reverted. Even if we think the odds of it being reverted are low to none, it is important that anyone who opposes the update, even slightly, acts as though reverting the update is inevitable and necessary. As Sun Tzu said "all warfare is based on deception" and it is important to never give up when the cause is just even if we think defeat is inevitable.

[wet sinew]

But you still to a certain degree disagree with the movement so you still fall into that category

"Want to hear from you" @leaden hazel The post is locked you can't hear from us

They posted this thread a few days after releasing the ranks update. There is a total disconnection between the community and minehut admins

I have a feeling even if SamD wanted to hear from us they wouldn't listen anyways

[halcyon dome]

i was just lookin through the new activity on this thread and bro really used "pink name" as an insult 💀

not really helpin our case my guy

[unreal ferry]

Why does it matter if I disagree to a “certain degree” or that I “fall into that category”? You’re way too focused on a “pink name minehut simp”, and it’s really not helping you.

[unreal ferry]

Depends on the reasons for the reversion. Chat reporting wasn’t doing them much good, Mojang wasn’t doing their part enough, and we have seen plenty of evidence. This update’s still brand new, and I would prefer to see the stats before undoing a massive change like this. It’s possible they’ll be making the same amount of $. I only say I doubt it, because it’s so rare that changes at this scale actually get reverted entirely.

I think this update will actually help with the lobby chat spam. The only parts I dislike is the insanely low amount of ads the cheap ranks and default get. If those were at a more reasonable rate, then this update wouldn’t be as bad as you make it sound.

[wheat raptor]

I still hold the same view that the change was really good but they did it in the absolute worst way possible

Therefore making it not so good

It's like if there was an animal stuck on the side of the cliff, they could either help it up or leave it there, and they chose to push it off

Like yeah, it's not stuck there anymore, but obviously you had better choices

[halcyon dome]

i personally think this is a bad analogy but this is absolutely hilarious and i love it

[wheat raptor]

You're absolutely correct and rereading it now I have no clue what I was trying to say

Maybe, they could either save it or leave it but they decided to kill it

[halcyon dome]

Nah, I get what you mean, but I feel like there really wasnt a good way to go about this type of update.

[wheat raptor]

I think a better possible way would be to nerf ads like they did, but keep all previous ranks intact without need for subscription, and then all future ranks are subscription based

But then you still have the issue of patron spam

So idk

The real issue is that they were stupid and sold patron for 90% off

[halcyon dome]

Oh, for sure. More generally, to stop ad spam, there are far better ways to go about that. Subscriptions, though, which I imagine is the real reason they did this - woohoo money - were a bad choice for the community as a whole.

[wheat raptor]

Yeah it's still a "SLG losing money" situation but according to people with more stock knowledge than me either they're gonna have to start selling assets or they're gonna go under

And Minehut will definitely be one of those things sold

[barren lotus]

these people just cant cope that i made a good suggestion (no pong)

[halcyon dome]

lol

[wet sinew]

False there were lots of good ways

if the goal was actually to reduce chat ad spam and not MONEY they could add a cooldown for ads sent for a specific server and cap the number of ads you could send for a specific server hourly/daily

[halcyon dome]

Continue reading, friend.

[wet sinew]

This is the best possible solution Minehut gets bought by a company that isn't failing like SLG

But I wonder what happens if Minehut never gets bought will it get shut down

[halcyon dome]

if that happens it'll be in some sorta monkey's paw sorta way like "hey uh we're doing a merger with aternos, no more /ad" lmao

[obtuse birch]

ngl I dont agree with the limits but I do like this update. its an attempt to fix the /ad problem without making people mad at removing the feature entirely. I had a good 1yr+ with my rank i got my cheap price worth

farewell

[halcyon dome]

A bad attempt. It destroyed /ad completely - New servers gain no traction, and the only people who actually use their /ads are botting patrons.

That's it - Nothing good happened from this update other than Minehut trying to scrounge for more money.

[deep wing]

They should just tax the income people make on their hosting platform

[keen elm]

It's bad because it's a rugpull. Consumers paid for something and no longer have access to it. Regardless of contractual legality, it's still wrong and does not make me confident in any payments I make to Minehut.

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[wet sinew]

fr

[deep wing]

Yeah so those Gen servers pulling 10k a week would make more than torturing your players

[unreal ferry]

Is your only goal now just to insult others and call names?

[deep wing]

no

[wet sinew]

@obtuse birch Made the meme

I'm just using it against them

[obtuse birch]

And I’ve changed my mind

Stop tagging me I’ve unfollowed this post 9 times

I’m trying to sleep

[wet sinew]

You made a gif saying "that rank update was good" with someone drooling and THAT'S WHO YOU'VE BECOME

[wet sinew]

Kind of wack that you switched up and agree with minehut doing a rug pull

[obtuse birch]

https://tenor.com/view/mald-malding-trolled-mald-harder-gif-25476601

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[unreal ferry]

How's this productive again?

[obtuse birch]

He just wants to be mad

I’m not saying the update is all good some needs changing but it’s not that had

[wet sinew]

Sometimes you have to become mad/passionate to make a change

[obtuse birch]

They aren’t gonna change it back

Just get over it

[wet sinew]

I'll keep trying

[unreal ferry]

Go for it

Just do it without insulting other people, that gets you nowhere

[obtuse birch]

Doing it regardless gets you nowhere

They will not revert it

[wet sinew]

@obtuse birch Insults people they literally made the drooling gif

[obtuse birch]

Am I the one sending it every 5 seconds

And I said I regret making that gif

[unreal ferry]

And look who's using it now? And then who resorted to the "pink name minehut simp" because you had nothing better to say? 🤔

[wet sinew]

When you made it you sent it 5 times every second

[obtuse birch]

Bro wants me to make one about him

I retract my deleted statement in just tired I can’t deal with this guys bull

[wet sinew]

Every person with a pink name that i've come across is a minehut simp so much that I don't see it as a coincidence now

@obtuse birch 🤓 ?

[unreal ferry]

Minehut simps would be agreeing 100% with the update, where do you see me doing that?

[obtuse birch]

He went silent

[unreal ferry]

probably trying to find every little word that affirms their point lol

[obtuse birch]

He either knows you are right or is searching your messages

lol @unreal ferry he’s crying in the other thread now

💀

[wet sinew]

If you agree even with 1% of the update you aren't part of the #revertupdate movement

[unreal ferry]

That's just funny

[obtuse birch]

Why would we want it reverted

It just needs tweaks

[wet sinew]

It's been weeks without any tweaks

They haven't changed anything

[unreal ferry]

Nobody cares about "2 siding" this, the "movmeent" bla bla bla, that's just creating more division and frankly, shows you are not capable of any kind of debate.

[obtuse birch]

“But, but,but. Our ranks we’ve had for over a year are way less value now” minehut was asked to reduce spam by most people and they did it

[obtuse birch]

They don’t want to debate, they want their small group of people to decide the fate of decisions of the second largest Minecraft server

[wheat raptor]

Hi! AlexK here with AlexK and Co. It sounds like all of you are being dummy. This information is backed up factually by the AlexK database of facts (definitely real source) (also known as the AKDoF).

As it seems here, one side is very passionate about Minehut and is letting the emotional attachment to the past get to them in their argument as to why the change to ranks is a massive, earth ending deal. Due to this passion, those who try to disagree are believed 'wrong' and passionately, yet unfairly, insulted for it.

As for the other side, they seem hypercritical over the fact that one can be emotionally attached to the past, and while they may feel similarly to the other side, they don't have as much attachment or care for the issue, either because they've found a way to ignore it or they know that argument and hope for change will bring nothing, as Minehut doesn't listen to its players. Instead of taking their losses, however (ignoring the passion filled insults) they choose to insult back, causing further issue.

In conclusion, y'all dummy. Stop fighting. It's obvious that there was a massive issue with lobby spam, and Minehut made a choice to change ranks in order to fix it. In return, they've ruined their entire advertisement system, but they fixed the issue they set out to fix. Will they try to fix the new issue? Who knows? Maybe they saw the backlash already and are working on a fix. Maybe they pull a Minehut and just don't care. But that's not anything any of us can decide, because once again, Minehut doesn't care about any of us, so we shouldn't care about it.

This post was made by AlexK and Co. Thanks for listening and have a great night.

"i aint reading allat" incoming

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/bloodcartier-gif-25900479

[wheat raptor]

.

[celest saddle]

i aint reading allat

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/reading-chazz-the-chazz-chazz-princeton-yugioh-gx-gif-22489499

[twin salmon]

yeah it's an attempt

a very poor attempt

you shouldn't like something just because it tries

[main glen]

I agree \

[tardy path]

Welcome to minehut!
We have lag 24/7 for everyone. Isn't it great?!
Oh, we used to have chat for people that use 1.19.3 cuz the others are poor (L).
We also give you Pay 2 Ad.
Old buyers get nothing.. A little bit of their old perks 🤭

[wet sinew]

Ok I read it and yeah I agree

@brave storm

You do care you own a big server on minehut

Even if it's connected through a proxy

[brave storm]

I stated my opinion, you and your passionate friends attacked me for an opinion and then I clowned you all back

Move on

[wet sinew]

we attacked you???

[brave storm]

And no I dont I plan to leave Minehut once I release my game in May

[wet sinew]

Bro what are you smoking we never attacked you

It was just a healthy debate

[brave storm]

Because its crazy to me Support cant figure out how to fix their api with my server when its their own api

[wet sinew]

Are you not able to connect your external server through minehut?

[brave storm]

Nobody said anything me and someone else agreed we liked ranks and said we disagree with yoy and yall attacked us and ever since then its been a clown fest in this thread

[wet sinew]

Do you use waterfall btw

[brave storm]

No I use Velocity Paper

And my minehut IP works but my main IP doesnt and my branding is using that main IP not Minehuts so Id perfer to keep it intact

[wet sinew]

Bro that's why it doesn't work

[brave storm]

Im not changing my backend to accomidate Minehuts API

And wdym thats why they have documentation on their website for velocity support

If you dont know anything about networking dont give me advice

[wet sinew]

No just use unstable waterfall it worked for me

Velocity won't work on minehut

[brave storm]

If it doesnt why is there documentation from Minehuts website about velocity support

And instructions to set it up if you have velocity

Or is that just old, a lie, cause telling me it doesnt really give me a reason

[wet sinew]

Minehut must of changed their inner workings after they made the documentation

[brave storm]

Theres other server owners ive spoken to running velocity

[wet sinew]

They're probably lying to you

[brave storm]

External servers running both IPs fine so its bs what ur telling me

😴

[wet sinew]

wym how much is there to change it would be quick

@brave storm I've only experienced via version problems with waterfall

and yes bedrock players can join

[brave storm]

Cool found the issue then

[wet sinew]

So you're going to take my advice and use waterfall then?

[brave storm]

No I dont want bedrock players lol

So im still leaving Minehut

[wet sinew]

You realize you can just block anyone who joins with a ''." period infront of their name from joining

[brave storm]

That doesnt solve my velocity issue

[wet sinew]

You're leaving minehut because of the rank update?

[brave storm]

No Id like to use my main IP

If Support can fix that in the next 2 months ill stay

[wet sinew]

You can get ddosed though

[wet sinew]

Minehut support isn't great so I wouldn't count on it

[brave storm]

IP as in domain

McNations.net

[wet sinew]

ah ok it might still be possible to backdoor

Minehut has ddos protection

[brave storm]

With TCP Shield and Cloudflare protection

[wet sinew]

👍

[brave storm]

Every server on Minehut will get backdoored before mine even does

[wet sinew]

Minehut has only been backdoored a couple times before

[brave storm]

But then you mention Hypixels backdoor hack laster year. No that wasnt a hacker who got opped and destroyed the server

That was some incompetent people at cloudflare giving out login credientials. Granted it was identity theft and its whatever but backdooring is practically hard if you a decent network infrastructure and keep your logins and keys safe

[wet sinew]

https://youtu.be/Hlb7J2_hhH4

This was when mh got backdoored

It was a year ago

[brave storm]

That backdoor doesnt affect me idc what happens to the lobby of mh I care about my server

[wet sinew]

yeah they only managed to backdoor the lobby and get admin rank lol

[brave storm]

By hacking an Admin who prob didnt had his credientials leaked or simply terrible at keeping it safe

Which has nothing to do with Ddosing which is different type of attack

Backdooring has nothing to do with TCP Shield and Cloudflare. They are anti Ddos services

[wet sinew]

Well minehut stopped 8 million bots recently so I guess they upgraded their protection

[brave storm]

Would hope so

For a company of their size and infrastructure

[wet sinew]

So it's safe to say if you stay with minehut your server is secure from backdoors

That's one of the only good things going for minehut atm

[brave storm]

Yeah they aint backdooring my server, We have methods of protection

[wet sinew]

Still if you're running it on your own home ip though right? you're that confident they won't be able to breach through and obtain your ip

[brave storm]

No we use a public domain

We dont use our Public IP

[wet sinew]

oh

[brave storm]

Bro I explained above Im using a domain

[wet sinew]

ok that's good just checking

[wheat raptor]

@urban pasture dunno if you're busy but there's someone cussing in here, I replied to the message

[brave storm]

Grow a pair of balls Lmao

[vestal timber]

why do ppl complain whenever mh wants to make money

they don't understand how a business works

mh spends a lot of money on free servers which is their main selling point but they need to fund the free servers and they cant do that the way the used to, they werent even making a profit

this is basically what happened to twitter

werent making money

smart guy comes in and makes it make money

but ppl dont like that it makes money

so they cry

[hexed relic]

guess what, this would've happened with or without trent

[wet sinew]

Because SLG is a sinking ship and need A LOT of money -52 million in debt so minehut needed to resort to greedy p2w updates to satisfy stockholders. If SLG wasn't a failing company Minehut wouldn't need to forcefully rug pull their community and release a greedy ranks update.

Basically minehut needs to be bought by another company rn or minehut will be shutdown.

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/you-are-muted-jeremy-clarkson-gif-24026601

[vestal timber]

do you even know what net quarterly income is? and what you're basically saying is "minehut needs money or it will be shut down so i want it to be reverted to making no money"

[keen elm]

As Gordon Gecko famously said: "greed is good". So long as it makes money and isn't illegal it will happen. This "good" is not a moral good, but rather money in the books for the company. It's the same "good" that drives corruption and malfeasance everywhere. It's the same "good" that drove ratings agencies to lie about mortgage bonds in the early 2000s. I don't hate companies making profits, but it should not be at the expense of ethical concerns to consumers.

Your opponent whom I vow great support towards is arguing for a moral good rather than a financial good. This rugpull is absolutely disgusting and should discourage other people from making purchases through Minehut. In fact, nobody should ever buy a product from a seller who's contract basically says "we can do whatever we want and you own nothing."

[deep wing]

Keep tagging him guys

[deep wing]

N@W man how are you muted

what did you do

I thought you were a wholesome server owner

[deep wing]

Tell @obtuse birch whose done nothing but that 💀

Then switches to the other side and still does nothing but insult 💀💀💀

Can’t provide any decent or accurate information

[deep wing]

They are

They really really are

[wet sinew]

"at the expense of ethical concerns to consumers." Only thing I agree with in your statement

Also with that logic you're basically saying if anything can happen anything will happen eventually

[deep wing]

He was speaking facts though

Alexk needs to grow some balls

But he’d just use them on children so I don’t think he needs them

[wet sinew]

I think he got muted for swearing the use of swear words is a big no no on minehut discord

[deep wing]

yeah

Probably

Simping for minehut gotta be the biggest L thing to do

I mean the great wife man says the update is trash then it’s completely trash (100% meatriding)

[small grail]

Aint now way bro got banned on wife discord and now is roasting alexk on minehut discord

Also that pfp is wild

[wheat raptor]

Hey I mean he doesn't have to say he has an obsession for it to show

Like I get people love me but I mean it's a little weird to be this into me

[deep wing]

I wasn’t roasting him

We’re best friends bro

[deep wing]

Musky gave me it

[wet sinew]

@wheat raptor It was an inside job @frail spade did it

[wheat raptor]

weirdchamp

[wet sinew]

@leaden hazel https://chng.it/wPNgRcWxSv

[leaden hazel]

You win the award for most admin pings

[wet sinew]

Almost 300 people have signed it now

[unreal ferry]

lmfao nice

[hexed relic]

tell me you don't care, without telling me you don't care:

[hexed relic]

wow guess what it could have a billion and minehut doesnt have to change it

[deep wing]

WWWWW

Another @wet sinew WWWW

[deep wing]

Pedochamp 😳😳😳😳

[frail spade]

Rat

[frail spade]

He told me to send all the Alexk propoganda

So I did

Idk who made that pic tho

[wet sinew]

Ah ok I guess everyonematters is twisting your words like always...

[deep wing]

NO

I didn’t say he said antrbing

I just said he sent me it

Which he did.

[deep wing]

I didn’t speak of it for months!

[deep wing]

YESSSS

one guy just gonna nuke it all fr

[inland tangle]

how is this post STILL active

reverting the update is a horrible way to fix the shortcomings of this update

that would literally be the biggest bait and switch

the update happened so long ago let it die

[wet sinew]

So with that logic if anything bad happens in the world after a couple weeks we just give it the ok pass and don't talk about it again? Why do you think protesting exists. The ranks update has been out for a month and the only thing changed is a super small no ad zone area

[deep wing]

Autowalking would easily fix that too lmao

[inland tangle]

funny how you focus on that message

[main glen]

no revert needed just make the new update reasonable

[deep wing]

He’s explaining why

It’s still needed to be changed

You said

That since it was so long ago the protesting of it should be gone

He explained

That doesn’t matter

It’s still bad

[inland tangle]

show where i said once the update shouldn't receive changes

[deep wing]

Literally

[inland tangle]

im saying that reverting is stupid and to stop advocating for that way of fixing it specifically

[deep wing]

no

[inland tangle]

there's better ways to go about it

[deep wing]

Reverting it should happen imo

[inland tangle]

yeah im sure it's fantastic! let's just completely undo one of the most controversial updates in recent history, have to deal with those who've bought the monthly ranks and let's show that the admin team are easily pressured and have no confidence in their own updates!

seriously

there's far better solutions

it's fine to want change, just choose the right change

[stiff summit]

yes

[wet sinew]

The minehut admins would gain more respect if they did the right thing and reverted/tweaked the update instead of ghosting every single threads feedback on how to do so.

But it's been over a month and nothings changed SamD and mods lock threads about people speaking up about wanting to make a change to the ranks update and it's odvious they don't care to hear community feedback

[inland tangle]

It's probably because it's BEEN A MONTH

he has HEARD the feedback

nobody wants to hear the same thing over and over "revert the update, revert the update, revert the update" with no constructive feedback

[wet sinew]

There's been so many good solutions and nothings changed were all waiting

[wet sinew]

You care for me to link you threads outlining good changes

[main glen]

i hope they just make the update better either by increasing the number of ads for each rank or by decreasing the credits costs for each rank anyways ads become useless kinda, servers are getting players from random joins

[inland tangle]

i don't really, i've probably read through them and so has sam probably

no response does not mean it was not seen

reminder that not every decision can be made within a day and not every decision can be made full stop; he's the product manager yeah but there's definitely things limiting him

but again, reverting and tweaking the update are two completely different things lol

[wet sinew]

They could also cap how many times you can ad for a specific server so their isn't a chain of 50 parton ad bots ading the same server

[inland tangle]

it's like building the same building on the same sinkhole

rather than moving spot & doing something new

[main glen]

fr

[wet sinew]

I guess I'll wait 2-3 months if nothings changed by then they're odviously ignorning and want to keep their p2w monthly ranks update a permanent feature. It shouldn't have taken them this long to make even a small tweak to the ranks update.

[inland tangle]

p2w, damn

you'd be shocked if you ever heard how advertising is in literally any other context

website ads, youtube ads, billboards, that'd all shock you

[wet sinew]

Minehut promotion was more affordable 2-3 years ago. Minehut is nowhere near as big as youtube and shouldn't be compared. Minehut should set a precedent as being morally aware of their customers

[inland tangle]

that wasn't the point

promotion being limited / paid shouldn't be a new concept

we were all privileged to get it for free in the first place lol

it's not that hard to understand why a company seeking to make profit would make that change

although the current ad caps are awful, i must say

[wet sinew]

There is a world where Minehut can exist where they didn't have to attack /ads with their predatory monetization tatics because they have done so for years!
They should find sponsors like they have done in the past where did those go? People argue that minehut had to release this ranks update but according to their earnings report it should only take them a couple years to get out of the negative they have a lot of working assets it's just is going to take some time why get greedy and try to speed up that process when it's going to happen naturally over time and in the process screw over loyal customers.

[inland tangle]

that's not minehut's earnings report that's slg's earnings report

i think a lot of people forget they're two separate entities because SLG owns other things than just minehut

[wet sinew]

Yes but SLG owns minehut and they didn't have to release a greedy p2w ranks update the company is doing fine

In the grand scheme of things the ranks update has like 0.001% impact on the company

[inland tangle]

you keep saying it's p2w as if that's not literally the point

lmao

[small grail]

Skyblock why do u care tho

Aint ur server popular already

[wet sinew]

Ranks were always p2w but with the ranks update paying monthly for ads is way less affordable and 10x more p2w

[wet sinew]

I'm doing this for the community not just myself

[inland tangle]

if you're doing it for the community you should platform your argument better

[wet sinew]

I think my argument is perfectly fine

[inland tangle]

your nickname features a suggestion of one of the worst ways to deal with the update

and while that's not your entire argument, that's still not a good way to present yourself

lol

screaming the same three words makes those three words lose meaning

[wet sinew]

I can't fit an entire argument in a nickname it's too many characters

[inland tangle]

then why choose the worst part

[wet sinew]

I don't think it's the worst part I think it's the most relevant it's hard to convey a message within a few words I'd rather redirect people with the hashtag

[inland tangle]

the contents of which do not reflect the argument 😭

i'm giving up i feel like i'm talking to a brick wall

[wheat raptor]

The brick wall battles

Y'know what, I don't want them to fix the ranks!

(obligatory April fool's joke)

[small grail]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-gif-26450094

[wet sinew]

Nah the only brick wall argument is the same back pedaling argument that is "Minehut needs money"

Awokens also told me SLG released a new earnings report they screenshared today with me

March 30th 2023 It seems so it was just released?

Here it is 69% increase $19.7 million LOL

@wheat raptor This is new

idk what they were doing in 2022 85mil net loss like what did they invest in but as you can see they're making progress and their working assets will save them over time.

sight towards organically growing our annual
revenues to over $100 million, with a gross margin
in the low to mid 60s.``` Exactly as they outlined here

[wet sinew]

@wheat raptor 100 million projected annual revenue and people say minehut needs to make more money...

[wet sinew]

Minehut allowing external servers is coming back to haunt them

[twin salmon]

💀

[wet sinew]

@umbral kestrel

[umbral kestrel]

hi

@faint monolith

whos wife beater

[wet sinew]

Like this post bro

[umbral kestrel]

thats a fake for real

[wet sinew]

@storm geyser alt

[umbral kestrel]

lol fr?

[wet sinew]

fr

[umbral kestrel]

DO #1088584167807270972

[leaden zephyr]

Minehut supplies users with a free hosting server, 2 servers at that, and 4 free ads a month. Hundreds of thousands of players and servers take up a lot of space. Yes, it is p2w. but if you want to use minehut, they need money to keep it up.

[unreal ferry]

2 servers at that
Not anymore, you can have as many servers as you'd like now, but the only caveat is that you can only have 2 of them online at once

[wet sinew]

SLG isn't drowning they will make $100mil+ annually stated in their earnings report released less than a week ago. Reverting the ranks update would be a very insignificant in the grand scheme of things to their earnings. There's a lot of other ways they monotize their hosting and more they can do. Aternos is able to run there servers with browser ads

[celest saddle]

aternos is not owned by a major corporation, but yes still good points 😸

[wet sinew]

https://tenor.com/view/puppet-puppet-on-a-string-monitoring-animation-no-freedom-gif-16683829

SLG with minehut ^

[shrewd robin]

I cant believe people in this thread are really saying stuff like 'you should platform this better' when skyblock is literally doing a service for the community

they set expectations for someone doing something they were never obliged to do and yet did anyway with only positive outcome

[quick lynx]

REVERT THE UPDATE!!

I LEGIT WASTED 300 BUCKS

[obtuse birch]

dude already copied my gif under a diff link

[hexed relic]

yea i was on mobile at the time so i saved the gif to my phone

[wet sinew]

ads now get a space above them

Kind of a double edged sword because your ads are more visible with the space but they're on the screen for less time I guess depending on the users chat frame settings

[deep wing]

Rage??

You’re mad cause he took a gif that took you 11 seconds to make

[deep wing]

@leaden hazel

[unreal ferry]

????? How is slavery even close to comparable?????

[deep wing]

They said that since it’s been so long, we can’t just change it now because it would supposedly cause “more” damage than it would fix

[unreal ferry]

How is slavery even related?

[deep wing]

It isn’t really just a example of just because it’s been a while doesn’t mean it can’t change

[unreal ferry]

Nobody's lives are being lost to a Minecraft server change

[deep wing]

How do you know 🤨

[unreal ferry]

Why would you use slavery as any kind of point in this?

[inland tangle]

why am I grey now

[deep wing]

Someone could’ve lost their server which was their rent 😳😳😳

[deep wing]

What other example

I know it’s not a very comparable thing

[unreal ferry]

How about this: please try to think before you talk

[deep wing]

But it has the same base

[inland tangle]

mention of illegal topics @urban pasture

[deep wing]

History isn’t illegal?

??

[unreal ferry]

It's just plain insensitive

[deep wing]

How

[inland tangle]

slavery is a banned topic

you can’t talk about it here

[deep wing]

Since when did history become insensitive

🤨

[inland tangle]

since a support agent told me not to talk about it one time

[unreal ferry]

When you're using it to compare to a Minecraft update, it's very much insensitive

[deep wing]

okay

[urban pasture]

The way you mention it makes it insensitive. Please be more careful next time.

[deep wing]

Okay!!!

[wet sinew]

@deep wing They only cared to point out that they were pinged rather than addressing the ranks update feedback you see they clearly don't care

[inland tangle]

does Sam need to write a full on novel for you to be happy

did he run over your cat or something

[unreal ferry]

Skyblock, weren't you going to write up a detailed plan/idea as a compromise yesterday or smth?

[wet sinew]

No he needs to take action and make a change even a small tweak to the ranks update like reducing pricing slightly

[wet sinew]

There's already posts outlining what I was gonna say and Santio is locking dupe threads on the ranks update because the higher ups are tell him to silence the people speaking up about the p2w ranks update

[inland tangle]

santio's a volunteer dawg i don't think he cares

[wet sinew]

I'm walking on egg shells rn and don't want this post to be taken down

[unreal ferry]

The dupe posts were mainly just repeating the #RevertTheUpdate hashtag over and over

If you actually make something, like a detailed compromise, he's less likely to lock it, since you would have actually made something

[shrewd robin]

ok? that doesn't void the fact that people are being silenced on this topic

[inland tangle]

because it's a month old lmao

everything that can be said has been said

sam has heard your feedbacsk

[shrewd robin]

and he has done literally nothing to fix it

[wet sinew]

and nothings been changed other than a super small no ads area in the lobby

[shrewd robin]

precisely, you can't ignore feedback because it's old

[wet sinew]

Like atleast reduce the ranks pricing OR increase ads per month for paid monthly ranks

[shrewd robin]

yeah

[wet sinew]

30 ads for 800 credits is an April fools jokes

[shrewd robin]

agreed

[inland tangle]

i don't fully understand how the minehut higher ups work but i am 80% sure Sam cannot just wake up and make a random decision

and there's probably thousands of things that would come with that decision that makes it a bad decision to make

[shrewd robin]

i mean maybe but then how did the old system gain profit for minehut

[inland tangle]

people bought ranks > minehut got money

[shrewd robin]

one-time purchases would be much cheaper than buying subscriptions

[unreal ferry]

Important to note who it's cheaper for

[inland tangle]

.... yeah?

[shrewd robin]

so why should we have subscriptions instead of one-time purchases

if its ultimately cheaper for the consumer

[inland tangle]

company wants to make more money

is that a foreign concept to you

[unreal ferry]

Ultimately cheaper, that would be true if both options were available

[shrewd robin]

no, i am aware, what i'm trying to say is that it's a ridiculous change to make it that exponentially more expensive

[unreal ferry]

I can see this making more money for them, since people would still buy the subscriptions anyway

[inland tangle]

also monthly subscriptions are a better system than one-time purchases and if one-time purchases never happened then you'd agree with me

[shrewd robin]

and then just rid everyone with former ranks of their privileges

[shrewd robin]

in what way is it better

there is literally none other than benefitting the company

[wet sinew]

Guys SLG is projected to make 100mil yearly this ranks update where a couple people buy 100$ monthly subs will defintely impact that 100mil figure

[inland tangle]

if you're so against funding minehut then why does the price matter to you? you're not gonna buy it

[shrewd robin]

precisely, they have more than enough money already

[wet sinew]

atm they are in the negative but have a lot of working assets to produce a lot in the coming years

[shrewd robin]

yeah

[inland tangle]

a one-time purchase of a rank will help a server forever, whereas monthly subscriptions will show if the server itself is doing well because they're being consistently successful that it matches their advertising, whereas if they were to lose success and plummet, they wouldn't be able to afford it

it's a more accurate system

to actually show how a server is doing

[shrewd robin]

"more accurate" this is not like a statistics thing

[wet sinew]

So the only way to determine if a server is successful is if it makes money? yikes

[shrewd robin]

why should accuracy be the most important factor in the income of a company

that seems so stupid

[obtuse birch]

Shut up

[unreal ferry]

That's kinda how it works, isn't it?

[inland tangle]

this is the equivalent of me going to your argument and being like "So you want to completely revert the update?"

[deep wing]

Angy angy

[inland tangle]

stop putting words in my mouth and use your eyes

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[obtuse birch]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1092522999229468833/attachment.gif

[shrewd robin]

there are other ways to be successful and not be earning money..

especially just temporarily, not in the long-run

[inland tangle]

and minehut accounts for those other ways so it's an irrelevant point

like being top of the server list

[deep wing]

Any reason why you think it’s dumb to revert?

[inland tangle]

being highlighted as a featured server

[deep wing]

Or is it just follow the bandwagon of your daddy and lord and savior

[shrewd robin]

how is having servers with already-established player bases "featured" going to improve the success of a server

[inland tangle]

going back on a decision is effectively worse than repairing the damages

[obtuse birch]

It’s a good change, less spam and more practical. Less spam = more joins for everyone and more enjoyable lobby

If new players join to utter spam

[inland tangle]

there will ALWAYS be the remembrance that YOU made that decision and it was bad

[obtuse birch]

They leave

[shrewd robin]

you really just said "suppressing small servers is a good thing actually"

[deep wing]

Never has that been the case

[obtuse birch]

It also brings more players cuz of that

I did not

[inland tangle]

let me introduce you to: literally other servers that aren't well-established and get featured

[obtuse birch]

The update just needs value tweaks

[inland tangle]

i'm so sick of talking about this update i swear

[wet sinew]

Bring back old ranks but have a monthly cap for default ranks

[shrewd robin]

which are literally none of them?

[deep wing]

Good change with a predatory cash stealing model strapped to the back of it

[obtuse birch]

Fr

These people are just stuck up

[inland tangle]

these actual teenagers who think they're above a man working for a company just because they're stuck in a way of thinking

[wet sinew]

Because according to SamD most of the ad spam came from default ranks

[shrewd robin]

ok so now the narrative is "opinion bad"

[deep wing]

not even close to true

[obtuse birch]

Not entirely

But default bots were an issue

[deep wing]

It’s minehut money bots

[inland tangle]

youre not some revolutionary youre a kid who cant understand basic business

i leave now because i don't want to waste more time on this

[deep wing]

Funded by huge servers who make like 10-15k a month

[deep wing]

They were making money before, they solved a problem everyone asked to get solved in the worst way possible just making it harder for smaller servers to grow and more infinitely easier for p2w servers to grow

[shrewd robin]

i may not know anything about business but it is clear that super league made money from the old rank system, meaning the new rank system was ultimately unnecessary and thus why should I support it if all it is doing is drain me of my money more than it had before

[wet sinew]

If you take a screenshot of minehut 2019 server list vs 2023 it's night and day

People can say all they want but it won't take away from that

[inland tangle]

i actually refuse to honour you with a reply to this

if you said this in a classroom you'd be kicked out

[shrewd robin]

what is wrong with it

[inland tangle]

anyway, again, a person who debates with fools is a fool themselves

[shrewd robin]

bro is so condescending

[inland tangle]

because any point i make is responded to with "ohh but they were making money so why does a business want to make more money???"

[shrewd robin]

i may have claimed that incorrectly before but what i was attempting to refer to was that i, the consumer, would see no reason to support this subscription change on the basis it does nothing positive to me

i understand businesses want to make money but there is no reason why i should be in support of this change if all it does is negative for me

[inland tangle]

this update has problems yes but the monthly part is NOT one of them

[wet sinew]

I would argue that they would make more money with permanent ranks. New faces and generations of 13 yr old minehut players are cycling in and out buying new ranks who are more likely to buy something that is permanent rather than temporary

[inland tangle]

the problems are held with the number of ads per rank & the price of them

the monthly part was never and isn't the issue

[shrewd robin]

i would argue it could potentially be a part of the issue

[inland tangle]

and also the handling of the og ranks; that is another issue

[shrewd robin]

it would be exponentially more expensive to purchase a rank on a subscription basis than on a one-time basis only for the same stuff that would come with the rank

[obtuse birch]

Fr

All the people crying just need to stop

You got your value

Move on

[inland tangle]

yea that's the point

you just explained why it exists

[wet sinew]

@obtuse birch

Monthly paid ads is the problem

[inland tangle]

oh i see the issue here

your actual problem resides with the ad cap but you're throwing the monthly part in it because you wanted more points to make

okay that makes more sense

[shrewd robin]

skyblock never made anything about the monthly part

[inland tangle]

he literally just said that

[shrewd robin]

skyblock and i are not some collective, i was the only one making stuff on the monthly subscription

[inland tangle]

i agree with that

i am not treating you as a collective

[wet sinew]

I'm fine with the ad cap if it was 3 times what it is now but the monthly paid ads is disgusting

[unreal ferry]

The whole dislike about the rank update is purely based on that it's monthly

[inland tangle]

what is "the monthly paid ads"

are you referring to the amount of ads that people have

[shrewd robin]

that could be argued as an element of it, sure, but it's not the whole thing

[inland tangle]

im so confused

[shrewd robin]

as jade literally just said before the limit for ads is by far the most concerning issue

[shrewd robin]

oh sorry i was referring to the subscription model

my bad

[inland tangle]

having to pay for more ads isn't an issue the amount of ads you get normally is the issue

that you basically HAVE to buy a rank

[shrewd robin]

agreed on some basis but why switch to the subscription model like that kind of devalued all of the original ranks and made their purchases void

[obtuse birch]

Why not make no ad cap but monthly ranks

[inland tangle]

i guess just to add another feature to the ranks

also probably because most advertising in the world is paid

[shrewd robin]

this would be a great change but minehut would never do this because the ad cap is basically the main part of buying a rank now

[inland tangle]

so minehut probably wanted to match that dynamic

[obtuse birch]

Idk I like the update overall

[wet sinew]

Ad cap but no monthly paid ranks

[obtuse birch]

The people crying are just stuck up

[inland tangle]

bro hates months

[wet sinew]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1071626799643119749/1088450631313924096/attachment.gif

[shrewd robin]

stuck up with losing hundreds of dollars which they might not be able to regain the value of

[obtuse birch]

And he’s back to being illitate

Alright

[wet sinew]

I use up all my ads on the first day of the month

[inland tangle]

im genuinely convinced the monthly ranks killed his family or something

[obtuse birch]

Dude you had it for over a year calm down

You got your value

[wet sinew]

I have 1 pro rank and 2 vips accs

[obtuse birch]

And it was like 100 tops

[wet sinew]

bro you're the biggest minehut simp you sure love to flush money down the toilet because you have a p2w lifesteal server

[inland tangle]

he is NOT a minehut simp

[obtuse birch]

It’s not even out

[shrewd robin]

i didn't actually purchase my rank but if i did i would have purchased it on the basis i am expecting a permanent rank right, which can be evidenced in minehut's use of terms like 'one-time purchase' in the previous system

[obtuse birch]

And I don’t pay them anything

[inland tangle]

artifacting was MAD the day the update dropped

but he realised after a while why it was actually done

[obtuse birch]

I buy the external plan which is 5 bucks

[unreal ferry]

Another "minehut simp" moment :/

[obtuse birch]

Yeah

[wet sinew]

They agree with the update now they said

[inland tangle]

hence the second message

[wet sinew]

Ok therefore they're a minehut simp

[inland tangle]

so if someone agrees with minehut doing something they're a simp

so if someone disagrees with you they're a simp

[unreal ferry]

Even if it's just one part of it?

[shrewd robin]

to be honest absolutely, why would you wholeheartedly support a corporation

as you said before companies work to gain more profit

[wet sinew]

If they agree with p2w greedy predatory practices then yes

[shrewd robin]

they have none of your interests in mind

[inland tangle]

i don't support the corporation

[shrewd robin]

why would you support something that literally does not affect you

[inland tangle]

i just think its not that surprising that a company will make profit oriented decisions

[wet sinew]

🇼

[obtuse birch]

Honestly can a mod just close these threads

[inland tangle]

no

[obtuse birch]

They aren’t going anywhere it’s just a toxic pool

[inland tangle]

you heard his point earlier that's actually what he would hate

[wet sinew]

They're making 100mil annually the ranks update that is a rug pull effects the 100mill figure by like 0.0001%

[unreal ferry]

Lobbies have also been crazy, especially ever since the 90% sale that even the ranks got discounted so much. I think this might be a good thing to try, just needs some tweaking

[inland tangle]

oh my LORD

companies don't just make the same amount of money every year and are content with it

are you actually okay

[unreal ferry]

The company, Super League Gaming, where not all of that money is going into Minehut

[inland tangle]

^^

[obtuse birch]

Legit

[unreal ferry]

They have multiple expenses, salaries, etc.

[wet sinew]

They're wanting spit on loyal minehut customers for a small profit percentage

[inland tangle]

skyblock learns capitalism

becomes socialist

[wet sinew]

They can make money other ways than attacking /ads

[shrewd robin]

i don't believe he is criticising the capitalist mode of production, he was merely stating what minehut did was incredibly scummy

[inland tangle]

true

[wet sinew]

Yeah...

[inland tangle]

like

if youre a slg executive what's your play here

[obtuse birch]

Ok

[wet sinew]

They don't have those ads for toys and stuff in the lobbies like they did in 2020 era

[inland tangle]

yea because in lockdown everyone was playing minecraft

companies wanted to get a grasp on that market

we are not in lockdown anymore

[wet sinew]

They also had like an ad for a headset or something

[wet sinew]

How does lockdown change that

[inland tangle]

.

[unreal ferry]

Is that a serious question?

[inland tangle]

everyone was inside, so a lot of people started playing minecraft again

minehut was at peak

so companies saw that and was like "we should take advantage of that market"

hence partnerships

[wet sinew]

People are still playing minecraft yes not to the same extent but a lot of people will still see those ads when they join the minehut lobby

[shrewd robin]

I don't see why they couldn't just do that today though

[inland tangle]

yeah but those companies don't make those offers anymore because minehut isn't at peak

minehut aren't actively denying the partnerships lmao theyre just not coming

[wet sinew]

True minehut is dying

[inland tangle]

not what i said

[shrewd robin]

It could be implied

[unreal ferry]

Not really

Lockdown = lots of players
Not on lockdown = back to normal

[wet sinew]

Also those external servers probably pay like 10k+ to be advertised on minehut server gui

[inland tangle]

yea

2021 also had lockdowns so

[wet sinew]

tbh I feel like minehut already makes more than enough money to stay a float they're just greedy with this ranks update

[shrewd robin]

yeah thats where i sit on this issue too

i get companies always want to maximise profit

but this kinda just seems unnecessary

[wet sinew]

We update the player count displayed by External Servers to include both the Minehut player count as well as the external player count. Our hope is this makes it more clear what servers are popular in the Minehut community.``` 🇼

[shrewd robin]

true

[wet sinew]

The top external servers on minehut are shaking rn

They've gotten away with it for over a year it's now come to an end

[shrewd robin]

yeah

[novel void]

Nah bruh what the heck

[novel void]

Minehut knew they had to do something about the outrageous crappiness of their server plans and panel, so they are bringing attention to external servers lol

[wet sinew]

yep...

[novel void]

Wth

That's gotta be BS

probably inspect element

[hexed relic]

it is bs

[wet sinew]

You can check for yourself to be 100% certain but this is what it is

[novel void]

Check the dev page

[novel void]

^

[hexed relic]

https://duckyprogrammer.codes/QFNH39w5

dev page

[unreal ferry]

It's a joke

[novel void]

ik

[deep wing]

Having to pay consistently is annoying

[inland tangle]

ok

[deep wing]

THATS WHY HES BEING ALL SUPPORTIVEEE. BECAUSE HE BENEFITS FROM ITTT

Only people that want the update to stay are:

rich p2w server owners that massively profit off of this because there are no more small server competition since you can just buy more to cover their ads up

minehut simps who would love them even if they started using child labor and highly abuse small children as an update because they think @leaden hazel is their lord and savior

kids who think deleting thousands of dollars of ranks worth should be fair because they didn’t spend any money on a rank because they’re 11 years old and doesn’t understand the concept of money

Pure inbred monkeys who thinks it’s completely necessary and if they don’t do it they’ll go bankrupt and shut down

[inland tangle]

yknow there's gonna be a point where he literally just mutes you for pinging him

you lot ping him so often

[inland tangle]

where's me

[deep wing]

Number 2 and number 4

[inland tangle]

i did not know who skyblock you or columner were previous to this so im not #4

[deep wing]

Nah I fixed it

[inland tangle]

yeah still doesn't apply

im also not #2 because i'll be the first to criticise a change if i believe it's actually a bad change

i've led my fair share of fights against updates in the past

[deep wing]

Okay so why do you support the update

[inland tangle]

i don't support the update i just don't dislike it for the same reasons you do or nearly as much

[deep wing]

Then why are you fighting us if you’re basically neutral or more on ourside

That’s like fighting your own teammates because they dislike the same thing you do but just a lot more than you

[inland tangle]

this isnt a war homie

[deep wing]

It’s a debate

Or

[inland tangle]

this is like me criticising the tactics my team are using practically

[deep wing]

More of them getting backlash and y’all’s standing there trying to justify it

[deep wing]

There is no tactic

People don’t like the update

That’s that

If you’re neutral then ignore these posts 💀

Why debate something you don’t have an actual opinion on

[inland tangle]

im not neutral im criticising your argument

the reasons you dislike the update are different from mine and i'm criticising your reasons

that is my angle

well i guess i kinda am neutral but more of a mix of the two rather than neither of them

[deep wing]

Why do you dislike the update then

[inland tangle]

og perks & the ad cap

[deep wing]

So you think the perks are too little and the ad cap is too excessive?

[inland tangle]

i think that 4 ads for defaults is scuffed

and i think that the og ranks should have more perks