Moderation Update Feedback

[pastel field]

they are all just the image no?

yeah searching it up thats what it looks like

smh you just took it from the website

[tall wyvern]

i did

[pastel field]

yeah so

mac screenshots >

[tall wyvern]

gnome has a sexy dropdown menu

tho

[pastel field]

ok and

[tall wyvern]

gnome better because you can only use it on good osses

(i don't use arch btw 😭)

[pastel field]

mac control center 🤩

[tall wyvern]

ew why is it so incosistent with colours

and why are the bars so big

[pastel field]

hows it inconnsistent

its black white and grey

lmao

also sick animations in its control center

[green geyser]

kubuntu (kde plasma specifically), control centre from their store

[pastel field]

lmaoo

[turbid kelp]

LOL

[stuck yoke]

how tf do you open that on mac?

[languid ibex]

[pastel field]

what

[pearl locust]

imagine having the old one

idc what you say, apple does its UI/UX/animations better than anyone and very little if any can replicate it

thats a fact

[pastel field]

fr

[strong oak]

CLEARLY youve never seen the 3xosc opening animation

[knotty kite]

macos is awful

apple forces me to use it though for work

[pastel field]

It isn’t that bad

[stuck yoke]

it is

i wish i didnt have to use macs

[pastel field]

n o

[stuck yoke]

y e s

[pastel field]

no

[stuck yoke]

go back to your billionarie parents

[pastel field]

🤨

i got my mac was in 2017 lol its been 5 years

actually im pretty sure its support ended this year

[clear spindle]

Its not bad, its horrible.

[stuck yoke]

A) how tf do you run minecraft
B) i got 2019 mac

[zinc creek]

Dead

[pine light]

yall should start using arguments together with your statments or your entire argumentation is meaningless

[pearl locust]

a) just fine

B) i got a 2020 i5 macbook pro

its more performant than you think

[stuck yoke]

whats your fps

with optifine

[pearl locust]

idk

[stuck yoke]

"idk" smh

[pearl locust]

i was getting well over 140 on an external monitor 2 christmas's ago on mc

on a unoptimized client

playing bedwars lol

[stuck yoke]

bru how

i got i5 too

i can get like 100ish fps on bedwars maybe

[lucid plume]

16 GB?????????? Mine only has 4 GB!!!!

[upper edge]

Same

[hardy girder]

Today this thread hit 50 dislikes. That really shows this moderation update is popular

[pearl locust]

its probably not up for discussion, only improvement suggestions

they closed other threads

also 50 out of the the thousnads of daily players

very big deal

[grim trench]

Are you going to make bedrock talks back ? Because that’s really annoying when you’re on phone

[grim trench]

Yes mh mods >

[hardy girder]

You act like every single person who’s on Minehut sees this thread

[pastel field]

Ok 50 out of 100000

And let’s give a very massive estimate that half of them are bots

Then let’s give another that half of them don’t care about minehut

And you know we will give another half of that which don’t care about what is said here

That’s still 12.5k people left

If people cared enough this thread would at least have 200 downvotes

But it isn’t that bad as it hasn’t affected people too much

[grim trench]

If we ping everyone maybe there would be more dislikes

I don’t care of the new moderation all I want/bedrock players want is to allow bedrock to talk

[pastel field]

Honestly yeah

That should be a thing

They could just apply a stricter filter to bedrock if they really needed to

[grim trench]

True, and this is the only reason why I disliked the post otherwise it’s ok

[umbral zealot]

You'd have more people pissed at the tag than people that actually care about this lmao

[lucid plume]

not in a good way

[umbral zealot]

The people that are fine with it and have no complaints wouldn’t be coming here to spam the like button, because they don’t have a reason to come here in the first place. Pretty flawed logic.

[strong oak]

tbf the grander minecraft community is pretty pissed with mojang at this

[hardy girder]

The people who truly care about Minehut see this thread. I don’t see what point you are trying to make… there’s no true way to know what the whole community’s opinion is. Everyone here is bias and that’s what an opinion is, so for stuff like moderation update you need to look at it objectively and look at the facts. For what I seen the chat reporting did it’s job however is not perfect. We still see lots of spamming and racial slurs being said. So the decision to get rid of moderation does not make sense. In my opinion it was done for Minehut to save money because this just doesn’t make sense

[umbral zealot]

There are a lot of people that 'truly care' about Minehut, and a lot of people out of that group also don't think the update is so terrible as others are making it out to be. It's pretty much impossible to get the answers out of every single person in the community.
For the spamming and racial slurs, what do you propose they do other than just bringing back a moderation team? I think they could just add more to their filter, or even automatically ban those that spam slurs.

"it was done for Minehut to save money" makes perfect sense, actually. They were hired through an external vendor, so I'd assume it costs more to work with that vendor.
"Today this thread hit 50 dislikes. That really shows this moderation update is popular" 50 is frankly, a tiny number. And like I said before, that number appears big only because the people that don't mind the update wouldn't care to chime in. They could see it, sure, but you won't see many of their inputs or little emojis on your screen.
"For what I seen the chat reporting did it’s job however is not perfect." Chat reporting isn't perfect, just like how moderation teams aren't perfect.
"you need to look at it objectively and look at the facts" I would be more interested in this if there were statistics of how much it's changed from moderation teams to none. (Little thing to add: support agents and admins are still moderating, albeit not as much.)

[stuck yoke]

the argument "this is only 1/1000th if the community!!" is flawed

[umbral zealot]

Exactly

[languid ibex]

bro wrote a 9 paragraph essay

for a minecraft discord

[umbral zealot]

I was bored

[signal swift]

I’m against this update

[languid ibex]

[hardy girder]

You can’t avoid the point that there’s a lot more people against the update. It’s impossible to get an opinion on every single person however, this is great opinion of the greater community even tho it’s a small group. And not everyone sees this thread, I only found it like 2 days ago so that is why the numbers are lower however, it still reflects it with more people.

Chat reporting is not an automated system, it’s just a moderator , but outsourced. They might get less context on the situation (I’m aware of Microsoft working on this) so I think moderation should be on the server and by Minehut even if it’s voluntary.

I have probably seen an admin in a lobby a dozen times in the last 3 months. Filters are not perfect and never will be because someone will always make a bypass or change one letter so an actual moderation team is necessary.

I don’t get the appeal to outsource your moderation, basically the core of your server to a company that obviously wants to control servers more.

[pearl locust]

Bring back volunteer mods, keep chat reporting. problem solved

[hardy girder]

That’s too much effort for Minehut because they would loose soooo much money (Boo hoo)

[umbral zealot]

Missed the whole "volunteer" part. lol

Part of the money claim is, they've never said it was the money that was the issue, unless they've confirmed it somewhere else other than the original announcement.

[fallow anvil]

It definitely is money. The paid mods were really good. This is in line with many of their other recent decisions that are entirely money-focused like the cosmetics.

[fallow anvil]

I think that creates two problems: the chat reporting and the ambiguous legal trouble that the volunteer mods apparently caused for Minehut.

[pearl locust]

chat reporting isnt a issue

mald

[umbral zealot]

"ambiguous legal trouble that the volunteer mods apparently caused for Minehut."
What is this referring to?

[fallow anvil]

I swear I remember someone asking about why they don't just use volunteer mods and Trent saying it had to do with laws about liability.

[umbral zealot]

ah yea I remember that, makes sense

[knotty kite]

volunteer mods would be representing minehut

[pearl locust]

I just dont get why people are crying about chat reporting. Dont say slurs in a kids server and youll be fine

[signal swift]

its not that thats bad @pearl locust

its the 1.19.2 chat or /ad restriction

[pearl locust]

there isnt a way to add chat rteporting to old versions

[signal swift]

most people have to change versions which wastes time

[fallow anvil]

1. Bedrock players and 1.8 enjoyers are basically second-class people now since they can't ad or chat.
2. "Slurs in a kids game" is a very clear-cut reason to be banned from the game. I'm very interested in how Microsoft interprets something like "misinformation" for example.
3. "The road to evil is paved with good intentions." -Portuguese Proverb. Most evil begins with seemingly good intentions. The evil of censorship is being peddled as a way to protect children.

[outer fog]

You cant just say 3. and expect it to make sense

a random quote is not a reason

[fallow anvil]

Fair, I will edit message

[pearl locust]

1. isnt good enough of a reason to rmeove it but you can still use those versions
2. misinformation is probably like messed up false information
3. One of the devs have said some of the stuff people say on minehut/minecraft (a kids game) is just horrible. I've seen the toxic communities, we dont need kids exposed to that stuff.

[outer fog]

Censorship of what? dr-gs, brutal violence, other stuff i dont need to mention in mh

[pearl locust]

legit

[outer fog]

They wont ban you for saying poopoo game

[pearl locust]

^

[fallow anvil]

The average age of a Java player is 24. It is most certainly not a kids game. The "oh the children" argument is one that I absolutely hate. We wonder why kids 60 years ago were tougher and worked harder and then continue to push for increased safety.

[pearl locust]

people are malding because either

a: they would get banned for what they say
b: they want drama for no reason

[pearl locust]

where is this age information

ALso minehut is full of children

also still even if they arent children noone needs to be exposed to the messed up stuiff they ban for

[outer fog]

bro bringing up development of sociaty ("children getting less tough") as a counter argument agains mc chat report

[fallow anvil]

It was actually 24 my bad. Official dev tweet: https://twitter.com/jasperboerstra/status/1177539146744770560?lang=en

JAPPA (@JasperBoerstra)

Average age of Minecraft players is 24 😱

Likes

5251

Retweets

214

Twitter · Sep 27, 2019, 11:03 AM

[pearl locust]

Also

[outer fog]

We are talking about MH here

[pearl locust]

People lie about their age

The amount of kids that come in here and admit to being underage is already a lot

And there’s more that are lying

[outer fog]

My first account was made when i was 6-7yo, and it was my dad email

so yeah, age is not that mesureable

[fallow anvil]

I think the whole society is headed in the wrong direction including the internet. Whether that be people trying to ban books in my local library or censor words on a screen, everyone is simply too soft. I get that safety sells and that Minehut needs money though.

[outer fog]

Whos trying to ban books?

[fallow anvil]

If you don't like a server then just leave? Your argument could just as easily be applied to banning music or basically anything.

[fallow anvil]

Political conservatives in my community

[outer fog]

Thats what children can not wrap their head around

[pearl locust]

Still they shouldn’t be exposed to it

They are kids, they don’t know what to do

Why are you so mad about it, it’s going to happen. Microsoft isn’t gonna remove chat reporting

[outer fog]

The reason you donte xpose children to that kind of content, is because they can not do anything with that information

[fallow anvil]

They shouldn't spoil the experience for everyone else. Anyone under 13 shouldn't even be on the internet. Where are their parents?

[outer fog]

so it causes trauma and stuff

[fallow anvil]

I see this as part of a shift in society that I greatly object to. I know that Mojang won't change this unless share prices are affected. Share prices won't be affected so long as the change aligns with the values of stakeholders. The values of society tend to swing back and forth. I wait for the swing to change direction.

Do not confuse my vehement opposition with anger. I am not mad at Mojang because I know why they did this. After all, I like money too. We all like money. However, I am disappointed that they chose the course of actions that they did. They essentially chose to squash an ant with a sledgehammer. A lighter, more nimble, and more targeted approach is far better-suited to protecting children.

[umbral zealot]

Then what are your suggestions for a "lighter, more nimble, and more targeted approach"? I must have missed it, or you never sent a better idea

[fallow anvil]

Create two distinct categories of servers: moderated and unmoderated servers. Joining unmoderated servers requires the user to be over the age of 16 or have their parents allow it in the Microsoft account settings. Unmoderated servers are not subject to the Mojang banlist. This is similar to having an adult and kids section at a library or having adult and kids movies. Both groups can win with children being "protected" while adults maintain absolute freedom. A server's moderation status would be defined in server.properties similar to online-mode=boolean.

[pastel field]

Honestly that isnt bad of a option

[stuck yoke]

checkmate my man stop arguing

there is no point with arguing with them

give up already

go annoy trent or sum

[lucid plume]

If they won't check the dislike or like count, then WHY did they even create #1029833831563395192????

[lucid plume]

same

[lucid plume]

Here is the ploblem, the chat reporting. someone can exploit this with a exploit such as "GirlBoss"

[lucid plume]

if mojang doesn't false ban!!!!!!!

[lucid plume]

It's not, he is saying to kinda make it toggle-able. And the community would be mad about it if it was toggle-able.

[lucid plume]

You only say to give up because you support this system, and you are okay with chat reporting!!!!

[umbral zealot]

Because they didn’t make it for the little emojis, they made it for the discussions and feedback…

If that was a genuine question, then I don’t even know what to say 💀

[fallow anvil]

They definitely checked it. They probably calculated that the 52 dislikes isn't going to hurt profit margins or stock prices. Money is money after all.

[fallow anvil]

The goal is not to convince them because I never will. People who have different starting values will never agree. The goal is to utilize the publicity of the debate to convince neutral or moderate people to see it through my perspective.

[languid ibex]

[stuck yoke]

yeah but you see...no one is gonna put their effort in to look at this

either
A) you dont care

B) you like it
C) you dont like it

[stuck yoke]

and no i dont support it, and its not just because of chat reporting i hate the mod removal and filter changes as well

[lucid plume]

my option is: C

Here is the narrowed down ‫ reason why i hate micosoft chat reports on minehut: they just added a system that can put a lot of false bans into minehut ‫

https://tenor.com/view/nobody-wants-it-liam-scott-edwards-ace-trainer-liam-no-one-wants-it-no-people-likes-it-gif-25673632

[pastel field]

that can

chat reporting has been here for months

have you seen any false bans yet on the global scale?

[lucid plume]

Minecraft Java and Bedrock are owned by mircosoft and false bans from bedrock can carry on to Java, and then that will affect minehut too.

[errant monolith]

well i mean its unlikely they will be false bans plus you cant use any things like gaslight to get people banned its detectable apparently and i dont think it even works anymore on 1.19.3 and if it did you probably wouldnt get banned for someone using it on you plus its server side so just dont join sketchy servers

also if you dont want to get banned just try not to say anything that you know will get you banned in servers and dont join realms

[pastel field]

they can, but have you seen any evidence? Its been 5 months with no false bans

[tacit bane]

Minehut thinks I'm 47 years old

[lucid plume]

I am going to use ncr even on minehut, noone can make me turn it off.

[errant monolith]

you can if you want but then you cant chat on some servers and servers with enforce-secure-profiles on you cant join without ncr being disabled

but i think ncr tells you if you join a enforce-secure-profiles server i will disabled on those servers

but honestly idc

[scarlet flint]

perm ban and blacklisted for saying 2 words that start with g and b

[lucid plume]

Not on minehut!!!!!

[errant monolith]

yeah true minehut disables it by default

but idk what servers your playing do i

for all i know you could play stuff other than minehut

[lucid plume]

My plugin "Admin Tools" on my server cannot even convert it into a server-style message before I get kicked!

[strong oak]

children shouldnt be on minecraft servers anyway

[lucid plume]

If then, WHY DO THEY ADD CHAT REPORTING??????

[errant monolith]

?

[errant monolith]

well they gave bedrock users java

so loads of children are coming to java

[strong oak]

children shouldnt be on minecraft servers, including bedrock ones

[errant monolith]

bedrock is legit for kids

lol

[strong oak]

not online content

[errant monolith]

bedrock is for 7+

[strong oak]

"E for everyone" read what it says right below the esrb label i dare you

[errant monolith]

it might have a different rating on android

because it says pegi 7

[strong oak]

cant find an example but under all esrb ratings of minecraft ive ever seen it says "online content not rated by the esrb"

i tbink the esrb is the u.s. one

[errant monolith]

yeah it says nothing about online content isnt rated on play store

maybe it might be the us version that says that

[strong oak]

interesting mine says the same thing but "Mild" is replaced with "Fantasy"

on every box ive seen of minecraft its always said that so thats kinda what ive been basing that assumption off of

[fallow anvil]

Gaslight V3 is patched as of 1.19.3 when they reworked how the server deleting messages feature works. There haven't been any known false bans because they weren't really doing much until the release of 1.19.3. Now that all known exploits are patched, I anticipate that they go full throttle on the bans. Whether or not that means false bans is yet to be seen. Mojang ought to enjoy the presumption of innocence so we ought to not levy any unfounded accusations.

[fallow anvil]

I know the chance of the text messages I type making any difference is 0%. I have to continue because if I don't continue I am just like the chat report supporters. Those who do not speak implicitly favor the status quo which is chat reporting right now.

[pastel field]

There haven't been any known false bans because they weren't really doing much until the release of 1.19.3

where did you get this info from?

[errant monolith]

thing is gaslight worked in previous versions but the videos showing it of just made it look like to the player that they said "do you want to pvp" and then you actually say "do you break the rules" or smth and when they say yes they report but that doesnt work mojang wouldnt ban you for saying yes to that

and i heard that they can detect gaslight anyway but /shrug

[tacit bane]

Trent can

[tacit bane]

True

[tacit bane]

Dumb move by Mojang

[errant monolith]

lol