Moderation Update Feedback

[boreal willow]

its gonna be less but they have been

also ad botting isn't as easy to do anymore as you need to use 1.19.2 to advertise and mineflayer and other botting software don't support 1.19.2 yet due to chat signing

[sand hedge]

I mean, a fabric mod could do it, and I know for a fact that they are doing it. Because I've seen them do it on ss

[boreal willow]

also not really. people understand it but they just can't do anything about it

[boreal willow]

things like that existed before too. they are just making more tooling to handle those kind of detections

[sand hedge]

It's a cat and mouse game, that has just become way easier for the mice

[boreal willow]

yes but they can't really do anything about it

[fallow anvil]

Those bots will definitely update to 1.19.2 chat protocol. The mice gonna win lol

[boreal willow]

ya and it will go back to how it was before

[pearl locust]

wrong

most non-clown adbotters have access to someones private one thats been updated the day mh did

ive seen it myself

who cares about adbots / sellers

its cheaper than doing it legitly thru mh for thousands of dollars

[boreal willow]

yes thats why I said its not as easy anymore. not that its impossible

[boreal willow]

so its ok to break the rules?

[pearl locust]

no but i dont think its as big of a deal as people say it is

[pastel field]

Not yet haven’t had time

Will do

[lucid plume]

I'll leave it to you on why it IS A BIG DEAL.

[fallow anvil]

As the person arguing against the status quo, it is your responsibility to explain why something is important.

[lucid plume]

Ok. Maybe consider thinking how plugins can get you banned, also maybe look at horrible feedback, wait there's more! also, try not to get angry when sending on 1.8! See what I mean?

[twilit otter]

wdym plugins can get you banned

[lucid plume]

banned = Banned from minecraft, plugins = sudo plugins

[twin venture]

you can't sudo a player to send a signed message lol

[lucid plume]

ok, maybe a modifed message, if one ways patched, there is always another

[twilit otter]

nah

the only messages that can ban players

are the messages sent by the player

in a vanilla chat

[fallow anvil]

To their credit, Mojang did think through how modifying messages was a risk to this system.

[lucid plume]

Ok, if one way is patched, there is always another

[twilit otter]

not necessarly

[boreal willow]

this is just in the lobby. don't see how people can do that there

[lucid plume]

Well, I've seen the chat report menu in my server see people reportable, You think minehut is going to pay for a server every time a user wants to create one? if they want it to only apply in lobby, they have to pay for a one server. every time a user signs up.

[boreal willow]

chat reporting isn't enabled on player servers, only the lobbies

cause chat signing doesn't really work through proxies. the minehut lobbies are using a custom paper fork for it to be supported

also what does minehut paying for servers have to do with chat reporting

[lucid plume]

That's what they have to do if they want it to only apply in lobbys

it = chat reports

[boreal willow]

it does only apply in lobbies

and still don't get what minehut paying for servers having to do with chat reporting in the lobbies

[lucid plume]

ok, if anyone can tell me why chat reports are in minehut and it is valid by me, then I'll stop annoying everyone about removing it, but at the cost of me leaving.

[summer thorn]

we wrote about it in the announcement

your concerns about getting banned because of sudo aren't a thing

[summer thorn]

we actually do pay for servers when users want to create one. that's our business model 😅

[lucid plume]

Ok, that must cost billions.

[summer thorn]

😬

not quite

[boreal willow]

you're overestimating the cost of servers and storage lol

[twilit otter]

Chat reports aint that bad anyway

just dont have the masculine urge to say slurs in the chat

and u will be fine

[lucid plume]

Ok, but maybe if they were to make it in servers hide players in lobby, then it could work out for everyone

[twilit otter]

what are u even talking about

[lucid plume]

I don't want mircosoft handling my users messgaes

[twilit otter]

they just do if a player report u

for something

that u did bad

[boreal willow]

then why'd you agree to their terms of service

[twilit otter]

yeah literally agreed with microsoft

and now complains

[lucid plume]

I agreed before chat reports existed

[boreal willow]

then you can message support to retract your agreement and stop using their products

[lucid plume]

Maybe minehut should add a option to enable or disable mircosoft chat reports in player servers, then It could work out quite well

[twilit otter]

IT LITERALLY HOW IT WORKS

ITS JUST HOW IT WORKS

U ARE EXPLAIN AN ALREADY FEATURE

[quartz snow]

mocha

mocha!

calm down

[boreal willow]

there actually is no option to enable it in player servers. it just exists in the lobby

[summer thorn]

like moco is saying, it's off by default on player servers

[quartz snow]

his name is mocha*

[twilit otter]

u can turn it on in the server files

[twilit otter]

bad

stop

[quartz snow]

good

no

[twilit otter]

aroze

[boreal willow]

FiXed said reporting doesn't really work through proxies and its only possible in the lobbies cause you use a custom fork. which player servers dont have

[lucid plume]

at least I don't want to get disconnected every time I send a message with no chat reports installed

[twilit otter]

oh

well

its better

[quartz snow]

yes mocha?

[twilit otter]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/839584509111697468/861396006212730910/image0.gif

[twilit otter]

re-add daunted to minehut proxy

[quartz snow]

give me credits

actually theres a sale rn i think

sure

omfg i updated the wrong server's plan

[twilit otter]

you had a single job

and u failed at clicking in two buttons

maybe 3

[quartz snow]

dw i can

click 2 more

its fine

and then pass my stupidity onto support

[lucid plume]

I don't think minehut should keep the reports if the bad feedback contiunes

[quartz snow]

:D

[twilit otter]

they dont have a mod team

thats the better they can do

without moderation

[lucid plume]

If they can make it that players don't get disconnected from minehut servers when they send unsigned messages, At least if users don't like it, they can use plugins to stop it

[twilit otter]

but

they dont

disconnect

you only cant ad and talk in lobby

if u are not with signed messages

[lucid plume]

try installing no chat reports and joining a 1.19.2 server and chating

[twilit otter]

i already have it

and works fine

[quartz snow]

@twilit otter done

say thank u

[twilit otter]

thank you aroze

[quartz snow]

yw mochi

[twilit otter]

oh i see what u mean

its not an minehut issue

its ur mod issue

since the lobby forces u

to sign message to talk

in lobby

and it tries to forces u to not sign it

it kickes you

[boreal willow]

its the game that kicks you, not the server

and it only does that if you talk in servers that have chat signing enabled

[summer thorn]

it's like requiring chat signing works:)

[lucid plume]

I have a screenshot, on it not working when using no chat reports, file uploads are disabled

[twilit otter]

just dont use the mod

[lucid plume]

Removing no chat reports, means I might as well go back to before chat reports

[twilit otter]

it isnt minehut issues

ur using a client side mod

not require by mh

[lucid plume]

I know it's not minehut issues, ok?

Give me one good reason I should remove no chat reports, and I'll do it

[boreal willow]

you said the reason yourself above

[lucid plume]

That is not a reason

also, I can send encrypted messages with the mod

also, A mod I'm going to start removes minecrafts "Banned from minecraft" menu

I'm going to watch some videos about this system for my mod

[twilit otter]

im not sure how that would work

isnt the menu that prevents you from joining

[fallow anvil]

There already are mods that remove the specific screen that occurs on startup. Stopping a screen from displaying has no effect on whether an account can join a server.

[lucid plume]

In that case, I'll remove the thing that checks if a account can join

[twilit otter]

Thats not how it works

i mean

i dont think so

they probally disable ur uuid

from joining minecraft servers

[lucid plume]

We will see

[cedar saffron]

you dont get disconnected... you just get the join on 1.19.2+ to chat and ad message

[twilit otter]

its beacuse he is using an mod

[cedar saffron]

yeah i use ncr

on 1.19.2

[twilit otter]

oh

[boreal willow]

they were saying they are getting kicked when they talk with ncr. thats intended since your chat messages aren't signed. ncr isn't made to bypass it

[pastel field]

They have a machine which they give a certain amount of memory and power of to your server

[pastel field]

Then you will be using a cracked account

Because you will have to completely stop using Minecraft auth servers entirely

Meaning you will never be able to join any premium server as long as you are banned

[stuck yoke]

just hack into mincraft's server blacklist your key so you never have to verify!

[fallow anvil]

Aizerstral, the developer of No Chat Reports, created a proof of concept for "Trustless Authentication". It is quite interesting in that it uses the registration of public and private keys to verify ownership of an account without using any centralized authentication service. It might be possible to verify ownership of accounts and bypass Microsoft's moderation punishments. My understanding of his system is incomplete. He will make a video soon explaining how it works.

[pastel field]

Well he can say proof of concept until the world ends but until it actually works I will stay in doubt

[stuck yoke]

silcon valley people saying "We have a life changing concept of hover vehicles" moment

[pastel field]

fr

[pine light]

as much as i would love this
from my knowledge this is against EULA or TOS

[pastel field]

from looking at his doc, at the moment this is very in the theory feasibility stage. Also this relies on the server also agreeing to install the mod which most popular servers regardless wont do. It also forces every single user to also have the mod installed which is going to def be a issue with player counts

[fallow anvil]

I asked him and he said servers would be able to allow normal clients to join and only use the special protocol if the Mojang authentication service refuses to validate the account. You are correct in that it does require servers to install it. The whole point is leveraging any power we have or potentially have.

[fallow anvil]

It's not that bad, but I get your point.

[fallow anvil]

Since when have servers been known for strict adherence to EULA?

[pastel field]

yes, but the player cant force every server to install this

all popular servers will not do it, because they dont want to get the hammer.

so in the really basic sense this is useless

if you wanted to play on a small smp server you could prob do it though

[grim trench]

Congrats minehut! Without moderators, lobby is a mess someone litteraly has a rank and spams the lobby and leaks IP when someone joins his server. (In his message he is asking people to join his server). You should revert this update, to keep players safe. (It has been more than 15 minutes and he isn’t banned)

[twilit otter]

u cant leak someone ip

when they join ur servers

[boreal willow]

If it’s a minehut server, it’s not gonna be their real ip

[twilit otter]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/812948853618769940/818917709861355571/image0-5.gif

[twilit otter]

hi tarna

[grim trench]

I know but at any time they can ask someone to click on their ip grab link or something

[twilit otter]

well suck to suck

imagine being dumb and failing into ip grabbing

[fallow anvil]

I think this option will be utilized more by medium and small servers. The big servers don't have an incentive to use it, but smaller and medium sized servers could benefit. It is also important to have an option in place to counteract central authority. I will agree that right now, in the current state of things, I don't foresee widespread adoption.

[pine light]

that is of course a good point but if you were to for any reason fall for a scam site and now your money is gone or something (example) you would also want that there is people to ban that person and maybe help you recover your bank account, instead of a system that only gets people banned for swearing and similar
(the system cant ban them for scamming in this case as the only reportable messages is the minehut server invite or similar which cannot be securley connected to that person)

[twilit otter]

Thats not true

If u have someone scamming u

The mods wouldnt even do a thing about

If u get scammed u should open a report ticket

To the support team

And get them banned

The system wouldnt matter anyway in that sceneario

[pine light]

that doesnt fix the problem as a manual mod could stop the links or server invites from being send

which the system cannot do immediatly

[twilit otter]

Only in lobby tho

[pine light]

yeah ofc but thats what we are talking about

[twilit otter]

Hmm

But yk there are still moderation

Its not only chat reporting

All admins/support team are moderating mh lobby

Which isnt the same good as KWS but they are something

[pastel field]

minecraft does have a warning now that 3rd party servers are not safe. If you do go on the internet and on random minecraft servers, you are expected to have 3rd grade technical knowledge at least (dont click on suspcious links, dont download weird stuff on the internet etc)

and for what you are exactly saying, people can just make a support ticket to get that guy banned

[pastel field]

no they cant?

you cant predict what the user is saying before they send it

the best they can do is mute / ban them as soon as they send the link

[pine light]

i meant it in the way that the can stop spam as soon as it starts

lowering the victim count

i wasnt exactly clear in that statement

[pastel field]

i mean ya, but even with that it would take maybe a minute or two. Though I guess i do kinda see your point

there will obv be a few drawbacks, but ya, thats just how it is

[lucid plume]

Well that can help me create the mod

The mod will make chat report supporters wish it didn't exist

[valid orbit]

Hi

[lucid plume]

you can get someones ip when they join: [16:09:40] [Server thread/INFO]: lawrencewil1030 joined the game
[16:09:40] [Server thread/INFO]: lawrencewil1030[/127.0.0.1:50843] logged in with entity id 506 at ([world]733.7026432573655, 67.0, -417.965782448978)

note: 127.0.0.1 is not my ip: it just means localhost, if the server was on the internet then the ip would be mine also 127.0.0.1 is the ip

[valid orbit]

not on Minehut

at least

[lucid plume]

incorrect: Disconnecting com.mojang.authlib.GameProfile@2c84175[id=a933bf02-fbf9-4e31-b532-f737461dab56,name=ThatMathNerd,properties={textures=[com.mojang.authlib.properties.Property@5a98da39]},legacy=false] (/ip would be here): You are not whitelisted on this server!

[valid orbit]

yeah they are masked

255 address

[lucid plume]

wdym/

[valid orbit]

Minehut IPs are masked

with a 255 address

[twilit otter]

no

[valid orbit]

so if you join any of their servers you will only see internally and externally 255 addresses

[lucid plume]

my admins join log: FireDragon6480[/I'm not showing his ip, ok?:41506] logged in with entity id 2 at ([world]260.30000001192093, 65.42133596599912, -831.3000000119209)

[boreal willow]

it isn't their real ip

[valid orbit]

one second, let me just open my server and show my masked one

[twilit otter]

that isnt his ip

[valid orbit]

[11:56:49] [Server thread/INFO]: Awokens[/240.4.85.248:55736] logged in with entity id 255 at (63.29557628543075, 63.0, 60.17329744451576)

clarifying here just incase discord flags this as spreading personal info

this is not an actual IP to anyone, any address posted is a 255 address. Essentially it is a masked IP

gotta be careful because a developer of mine sent a 255 address and got flagged and disabled. Waited a whole week to get it appealed.

[twilit otter]

and if u think its easy to unmask it

someone did the calculation it would take around 320+ years to unmask it

according to someone calcs cant remember who

[pastel field]

Wrong

Minehut masks your IP

So no one can see it

[fallow anvil]

I honestly doubt you know how to create any mod let alone a mod that exploits a vulnerability in a pretty complex chat signing system. I want to root against chat reporting but I don't think you are going to be the person to defeat it.

[upper edge]

minehut ips are masked

if u think they do not mask you are dumb

[sand hedge]

It's dangerous for minehut to not mask IPs, it's been a thing since 2017 and has remained for a long time

[lucid plume]

Ima make the bypass account bans mod

no stopping me now

[twilit otter]

i dont think it will going to work

[lucid plume]

no stopping me now

[twilit otter]

im not stopping you

[lucid plume]

gradlew is setup

[twilit otter]

i just dont think

thats how it would work

disabling the gui

its like

basic

i dont think a ban system would be that basic

[lucid plume]

also I do know that to also remove the multiplayer disable

[stuck yoke]

there are not any known exploits to bypass chat reporting.

[twilit otter]

he isnt talking about chat reporting

[stuck yoke]

extends to banning as well

since pretty sure its handled on mojangs end

unless you can hack into mojang i doubt you could make a bypass

[twilit otter]

im pretty sure they just disable your uuid from joining mojang's proxies

[stuck yoke]

yeah kind of

i think its your accounts id though (microsoft) though

[fallow anvil]

Does Guardian still work?

[stuck yoke]

its not an bypass exploit and no as of 1.19.2

[lucid plume]

YES I AM

[pastel field]

Besides just not using Minecraft’s auth

And instead becoming a cracked server

[pastel field]

You can’t do that

It simply is not possible client side

[stuck yoke]

not possible server side either only mojang side

[pastel field]

It is possible if you don’t use Mojangs auth

[knotty kite]

Honestly yeah

Just have an ad cooldown for each server

Even officially support it add a system to allow auto ads

[long moat]

This was already spoke about in #1034994156549972078

Specifically this message:
#1034994156549972078 message

[lucid plume]

There's no trying to stop me now

[pastel field]

limitations can stop you

and what am i going to accomplish by stopping you from being stupid

[pearl locust]

what is he trying to do?

[pastel field]

make a mod to bypass account bans

[pearl locust]

not possible?

[stuck yoke]

correct

[fallow anvil]

Only way to bypass account bans is with cracked servers. There are probably also alternative auth solutions that require the server to install something.

[lucid plume]

ok, I feel like people (chat report haters, im one two) are waiting for the mod, so ima create it now, too late to stop me, also I'll make it client-side only, chat report supporters are going to hate me

btw if there is any chat report supporters you will hate this mod

[twilit otter]

My main is acting like a gotham villan

"you cant stop me now, they will hate me"

Mfw

[sand hedge]

whos gonna tell him that the client doesnt decide if u can join a server or not

Thats behind the scenes

[lucid plume]

I was thinking my actions where villan actions

[lucid plume]

also I will find a way to make the mod

[sand hedge]

@lucid plume you got a github?

[lucid plume]

yes

[sand hedge]

link it

[lucid plume]

https://github.com/la-jig

[sand hedge]

Those conventions hurt my soul

you also dont own the domain in your conventions

And your ban system doesnt have options for permissions

[charred bison]

what am i looking at

[pastel field]

no way bruh 💀

[stuck yoke]

him when he creates a pop up:
I can now hack and exploit code is so ez

[green geyser]

You would need to change the authentication servers, if you're trying to bypass minecraft's ban system, you cant, it's server side

[fallow anvil]

As much as I agree with his opposition to chat reporting, he seems like a script kiddie

[sand hedge]

my guy watched one episode of a spy movie and now knows hackering

[pine light]

not even that (at least mostly)
servers rely on mojang telling them your actually you, which they will jsut refuse.
this means that there is pretty much no way to opt out of global bans, except if both the client and server agree on a different auth service or are cracked

[green geyser]

mhm, it wouldn't be possible to bypass easily

[lucid plume]

I think your trying to hack my code

[lucid plume]

Also, did you know I managed to create a working antivirus using python: i have not seen any normal person do it with gui

[green geyser]

you mean like this? https://github.com/Len-Stevens/Python-Antivirus

[lucid plume]

no, my antivirus has way more

https://github.com/la-jig/Antivirus

I wrote 1214 lines of code

[lucid plume]

Not that

[pastel field]

from what im seeing your antivirus is just checking known hashes

[hard oasis]

people are still arguing about this?

ive had this thread unfollowed for like a week

[pastel field]

tf?

your url checker only relies on 2 websites? really?

not even any API for safe urls?

[lucid plume]

work in progress, in fact a new commit is coming out

[grim trench]

Feedback : you get muted 2 weeks if send 1 message…

[lucid plume]

?????????????????????????????

[lucid plume]

You plob understand python in order to see what it does

also maybe check new commit, it added virustotal api to scan with

also for urls it doesn't only not allow urls in a database

this url is not valid

ø

[pastel field]

I do yeah

[pastel field]

I mean yeah

[lucid plume]

ascii_checker function:

def ascii_checker(text):
try:
text = text
text.encode("ascii")
return True
except UnicodeEncodeError as ex:
return False

but this project I showed you just says that giving up is 99.9% of the time not a option for me

[pastel field]

this is a pro gamer move

fr shows your competence

[fallow anvil]

why not just use the function parameter "text" instead of creating a separate local variable with the same name?

[pastel field]

^^^

[sand hedge]

very good counter argument! That is very useful to the current conversation

You cant bypass minecraft's ban system on a client level, since it's checked serverside, servers can bypass it, minehut wont

[lucid plume]

my python back then was s**t

[lucid plume]

I do reasons for messages like this: in people who liked the update

the "Moderation Update"

[pastel field]

Bro you set text to text

[lucid plume]

I can get real impossible, like i'm able to open a type of file with a software that no longer has a download link

[sand hedge]

No it's just impossible, the server decided if you connect

[lucid plume]

oh yeah? then maybe see this:

[sand hedge]

Nah i aint downloading anything from you

Put the src on GitHub

[lucid plume]

ok

it's not source code

[sand hedge]

Then upload it

[lucid plume]

a screenshot of whats inside

[sand hedge]

Nah there's no way in hell I'm runnin that

[lucid plume]

ok

[sand hedge]

Go upload src if you made it

[lucid plume]

inside there is a app that ended a couple of years ago

[lucid plume]

also you're plob not going to be able to run it anyway

[sand hedge]

Well I CAN run it

It's just very likely a rat

Also it's not impossible to run flash player

There are so many emulators for it lol

[lucid plume]

ok, that is the one from adobe, not any third-party ones

[sand hedge]

I totally believe a random person on discord about that

[lucid plume]

ok, I guess no opening that and and testing it

[sand hedge]

Stage 3/5

[lucid plume]

?????????????????

[pastel field]

ok????

[pastel field]

bro that isnt hard

[lucid plume]

what isn

[pastel field]

getting the adobe player isnt that hard

[lucid plume]

ok try to go to get it from adobe: https://get.adobe.com/reader/flashplayer/about/index.html

adobe say acrobat but its a link trying to go to flash player

[pastel field]

https://archive.org/download/flashplayerarchive/pub/flashplayer/installers/archive/fp_32.0.0.387_archive.zip

there you go 👍

anything else

[lucid plume]

also if you can download it then try to play this:

[pastel field]

dude?

I just showed you you were wrong?

why are you still going around flash player

[pastel field]

it isnt that hard to get flash player

infact, it only took 1 search

what you are doing isnt hard and you know it

kindly shut up

[lucid plume]

oh, now it's a race on quickly getting banned from discord

[pastel field]

what?

saying shut up?

my guy is really getting mad 💀

they really shouldnt let kids on this discord...

[lucid plume]

if I see that phrase I know stuff is going to get real bad

and if it's not hard then try to play this swf I made in 2022:

[pastel field]

anyways, what you just did in getting a archived piece of information back was not hard. Please, go try and break your head over trying to hijack the auth process

[pastel field]

im not going to download random files from a very random person. I know a little bit of internet security

[lucid plume]

well do you have a antivirus

if you do, give that file a scan

[pastel field]

i dont care if i do or not lol, im not downloading anything

[lucid plume]

ok

guess downloading flash player and using it is not easy

[pastel field]

?

I just showed you the link to flash player. Im not going to download a file which can have malicious code

[lucid plume]

ok, I'll test your download link, after I scan my downloads folder

ok let's see, oh:

yours:

mine:

my flash player version is higher

if you can show me a version the same or higher, then I'll say it's not impossible, but if that's not the case then I have the impossible

anything else you want to try on me?

[pastel field]

?

[pastel field]

oh i prob send a worse link

one sec

lol @lucid plume

yeah I think my link is better

[lucid plume]

hmmmmmm

https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ruffle/donbcfbmhbcapadipfkeojnmajbakjdc

[pastel field]

yeah what about it

[lucid plume]

"inside of a web browser"

[pastel field]

ya

so what about it

i dont get what point you are making here

[lucid plume]

if they say that you cannot run flash content on web then there's the fix

[pastel field]

yeah ok

agreed

but the point I was making is that my version is the last not locked out version of flash

vs yours is locked

[lucid plume]

my version also could be compatible with more content

mine is backwards compatible too

I can run a game made in 2017 with mine

[sand hedge]

This guy is going through all 5 stages of grief

[pastel field]

could

[pastel field]

which version? your locked version?

[pastel field]

fr bruh

[lucid plume]

I HAVE A BROWSER ADD ONS. YOU 🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬

[sand hedge]

stage 2

[lucid plume]

IF YOU SAY ANY WORDS TRYING TO STOP ME I WILL START CREATING THE MOD AND NEVER STOP TRYING UNTIL MC REMOVES IT THEMSELF OR SOMEONE ELSE BEATS ME

[twilit otter]

My man thinks he is a anime main character

[pine light]

then have fun waiting 😃

[stuck yoke]

I higly doubt you can just stop reporting.

You would either have to make a server mod(not plugin) or

Find a vulnerability that somehow bypasses minecrafts auth servers allowing u to chat (highly unlikely)

[pastel field]

You would need to completely emulate Minecraft’s auth

[stuck yoke]

mhm

[pastel field]

Tbh if you made your own auth you could technically sell your own verified accounts for minecraft (if copyright didn’t matter)

[vast mica]

Who are they?

SLG (Super League Games)

[sand hedge]

I'm asking which slg staff handle the reports

[vast mica]

Oh ok sorry, idk

[stuck yoke]

support staff

[grim trench]

Let bedrock players talk

[pearl locust]

bro tried to give reassembly the monke explanation

personally me, i wouldnt let that slide

[sand hedge]

I will

simple communication error

[lucid plume]

ok, bet. The second I get a banned account, I'll show you

luckly I can get mc 1.19.2 source code

also the comuntiy agrees too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEfyaAq90kg

[umbral zealot]

"the community" a few YouTubers ig counts as an entire community

[lucid plume]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKgucpgVraY

also maybe look on reddit, and more places

[twin venture]

the crying about the reporting system is getting kinda old now

[lucid plume]

watch out! I'm about to find chat report expliots

[outer fog]

no you will not

Its an unbeatable system

unless you have access to serverside and clientside at the same time

[lucid plume]

hmmmmm...

[outer fog]

What about it?

[lucid plume]

part of mc source code, also I know java that mc is written in

wait.. there's more

[outer fog]

Yes, you decompiled mc

i did aswell

i have a named jar, not that special

[lucid plume]

ik, but with that I can inspect the code for chat report exploit

if there's any chat report haters in here then get ready to be able to not be affected

[outer fog]

Use no chat reports mod

That works fine

[lucid plume]

its not perfect, if enforce-secure-profile is on then you can get reported

[outer fog]

But... but.. there is a setting for it

whenere you just dont sign the message in any way

but the server just will not accept it

[lucid plume]

server just will not accept it = you wont be let on at all!!

[twilit otter]

this man is insane about chat reports

[lucid plume]

watch out! I'm browsing to mc source code to find exploits

[twilit otter]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-dance-dancing-moves-gif-4650386

[lucid plume]

watch out! I found the reports code

[twilit otter]

wow thats c razy

[fallow anvil]

I would caution against ever saying a system is unbeatable. The Nodus team is still developing exploits for chat reporting. However, the guy in this chat is definitely not going to beat the system.

[lucid plume]

I might or might not

[fallow anvil]

If you beat the system and confirm that your exploit works with the Nodus team, then I will donate $50 to charity.

[outer fog]

You are too cocky and open about it

[lucid plume]

ok

also I'll turn it into a mod

[outer fog]

If you actually had ideas, you would not be speaking here

[fallow anvil]

I plan on keeping my $50 though because you aren't gonna win

[lucid plume]

ok

after I get the proper way to get the dependices for mc

[outer fog]

The only thing you need is to find a flaw in the system

you dont have to actually program it

[lucid plume]

ok

program it into a mod I mean

[outer fog]

Does your idea of hacking it mean only having a client side mod, and a normal server side?

[fallow anvil]

It's probably easier to find a flaw if you can run and test though

[lucid plume]

ok

[fallow anvil]

My version of "hacking" could mean either an evil server, evil client, or both. Anything that could create a fake report is legit.

[outer fog]

Ok so, client stores what they see and their own mmessages

talking about a peaceful normal player

Client is communicating with mojang servers, probably not through the server

so you can not fake messages into the auth servers

Thats what i would assume

[lucid plume]

I'll see after I fix these errors I'm getting

if you like chat reports, say goodbye to them

[outer fog]

Bro so confident

[twilit otter]

he is the main character

[umbral zealot]

fr

[pastel field]

[outer fog]

@lucid plume How does the chiseled bookshelf work?

Just asking because i was curious

||I have already figured it out, so thats why im asking. to see if you can too||

[tall wyvern]

"Guys, what's the difference between a float an integer?"

• this guy, 1 minute after opening the file

[outer fog]

@tall wyvern Why is your bg white?

it burns my eyes

at least i can sync it with my therme

[tall wyvern]

Trolled

also it's my color scheme lol

never click on anyone's pfp who has a white color scheme

[outer fog]

Yeah, how m i supposed to know beforehand?

[dark wasp]

@noble oxide 💀 💀 💀 💀

Watch out lil vro

[noble oxide]

💀💀

[errant monolith]

it blocks all requests to mojangs apis if your account is banned pretty sure

well it probably sends like a error or smth

thats why you wont be able to access servers even if you are on a older version (though i dont think it would say you've been banned or smth it probably just disconnect)

[twilit otter]

bro it has been 24 days

[errant monolith]

?

[twilit otter]

24 days since the message

[errant monolith]

lol

[lucid plume]

maybe i'll need to get the server source code

[astral gale]

How do you filter people without a life pressing ctrl v from auto ads

[lucid plume]

off-topic

[lucid plume]

Ima work on my discord bot, then i will find exploits

[astral gale]

I'm referring to some old posts

[pine light]

keep track of the time between the ads
or how long after/before the ad cooldown an out the next ad was send
but that only works if the bots dont try to look human, since its fairly easy to bypass such a system with a bit of randomness

but the simplest bots should be filtered with that

[astral gale]

it would be super dumb to make your bot do /ad with precisely the same interval every time

[pine light]

thats what i said

it would only filter out the most basic bots

beyond that you could try to analyse their connection, other account activity and such things but thats very resource intensive

[twilit otter]

wdym

[knotty kite]

maybe they'll need to get the source code of minecraft servers (nms)

[spare axle]

I got muted for giving out vip ranks ! (appeal accepted tho)

[plain wing]

bad

[heavy cypress]

Allow muted players to advertise

[umbral zealot]

Ruins the point of being muted

[errant monolith]

just dont get muted

[stuck yoke]

so a plugin...wasnt he making a client mode?

mod*

[grim trench]

Let bedrocks talk and ad

[vast mica]

Just get a pc and get Java

[grim trench]

nah i bought a rank on bedrock, a long time a ago to ad

and cannot ad on phone 😦

[grim trench]

And I have Java lol

[vast mica]

Oh ok lol

[noble oxide]

me who just opens another minecraft client and joins minehut lobby on the same account

[vast mica]

Fr

[dark wasp]

me when you

https://youtu.be/IxVuT8cgccM (0:00)

[pearl locust]

how is this thread still open 💀

[errant monolith]

lol

because its active

[lucid plume]

My goal is still active!!!!

NOBODY LIKES CHAT REPORTS AND I'LL FIND A EXPLOIT ONE WAY OR ANOTHER!!!!

[errant monolith]

you probably wont lol

[outer fog]

You tried it already

And failed

Still annoyed about booster vc

[vast mica]

!report

[fallen frigate]

Report a User or Server

Seen a user or server break our rules? Report them by submitting a support ticket.

Most reports will be responded to within 24 hours, please don't pester staff about your report. Server reports may take longer as we need to investigate before taking action.

Requested by GamingwithNP#0860

[lucid plume]

ok then, I might get banned, but if I do, I will still find a way to destroy chat reports

[vast mica]

Okay

If your successful in it, you’ll be popular

[lucid plume]

ok then, I will be known as the one who saved minecraft

[vast mica]

Yes

I’d appreciate it

[lucid plume]

after I find the exploit to save minecraft, then minehut might be super angry at me because they would have to bring back moderators, and if they are, they should have listened to the dislikes

[twilit otter]

cant they like just patch the explot when ur find one

[pastel field]

who said he would even find said exploit

[lucid plume]

no, it will be on minecraft's end

[dark wasp]

@noble oxide minehut rly looking for trouble by going toe to toe with this guy 🥶

[noble oxide]

🥶

[dim tide]

ad system is bad

[stuck yoke]

ong super

[lucid plume]

Yes they are

[fallow anvil]

I can't even tell if you are honest or trolling given how you act like an anime villain. Just find your exploit and publish it.

[umbral zealot]

They're really only obsessed, nothing more 💀

[lucid plume]

NO I AM NOT JOKING, FROM THIS I WAS ABOUT TO DELAY IT BUT IM STARTING NOW

[sand hedge]

wait until you tell him about mcp

[noble oxide]

😂

[lucid plume]

I USED THAT

[lucid plume]

I USED MCP-REBORN

[noble oxide]

that's so real

[languid ibex]

If you want people to get banned for auto ad react with "👍"

[languid ibex]

💀

[tall wyvern]

who is drake

[lucid plume]

People who like mc chat reports: 😈

I'm watching you

[umbral zealot]

[twin venture]

I love em

[outer fog]

ok, and?

[lucid plume]

You will wish I was 🔞🔞🔞🔞 once I finish my mod



[outer fog]

?

Bro so confident but he will fail

[lucid plume]

And minehut should bring back moderators because one moderator already has a bug:

and at least its not "Banned from minecraft"

also minehut basically set "enforce-secure-profile" to true

[twilit otter]

thats not true

they are all false

[lucid plume]

I mean they set that to true...

for chat

[twilit otter]

nop

only on lobby

[lucid plume]

oh wait

[twilit otter]

u cant set to true in ur server

even if u want

[twilit otter]

my man got out of his character

[lucid plume]

oh wait... chat message validation failure with "No chat report

[twilit otter]

i dont think it works that well on mh

but in players servers

u cant report any player

since it says they are offli9ne

[lucid plume]

None of those players joined my server and I can still report them

[twilit otter]

but it wouldnt work

since they are offline

[lucid plume]

Ima rub it in

Clicking one of these button brings me to this screen:

oh wait

Only in lobby huh?

DO NOT MESS WITH ME

[twilit otter]

yeah only in lobby

[lucid plume]

Well then if its only in lobby

then how do I get kicked when sending a message with ncr

[outer fog]

You can enable it on ur server

its a setting in your server properties

[lucid plume]

ok then, if minehut will let me

[twilit otter]

beacuse ur bad

[lucid plume]

They already have "enforce-secure-profile" to false

[lucid plume]

oh wait,

you can use a server-side plugin to gaslight players

[twin venture]

bruh those things don't actually work

and even if they did no one is going to get banned for saying "yes" or something like that

[pastel field]

Because that’s how no chat reports works?

It strips the keys and all

Smh pro hacker boutta bypass chat reports

[lucid plume]

ik

[fallow anvil]

Gaslight V3 is only truly effective in 1.19.2. 1.19.3 changed the way signature and chat verification worked and the Nodus dev team has confirmed that Gaslight V3 is not fully effective for that version. They are working on finding a new exploit.

[lucid plume]

ok then:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pz5iGzuNnNU

[fallow anvil]

Technically, Gaslight V3 works in 1.19.1. However, the far more powerful Gaslight V1 is better suited for use in 1.19.1.

[lucid plume]

and this is why minehut should remove chat reports

[fallow anvil]

Gaslight V3. is server-side so the Minehut staff would have to be intentionally creating false reports. I do not think they would do that. Chat reporting doesn't work on player servers so no Gaslight exploits can be used there.

[lucid plume]

uhhh

wdym?

mojang thought of players saying a offense and leaving

Also none of the buttons are grayed out and the players never joined my server

its also about time minehut listens to what people say

people dislike the Chat reports added in minehut more than like so they should remove the chat reports

[fallow anvil]

None of the messages on a player server will be selectable. As for your claim about the majority of people disliking chat reports: I agree with you that they are bad, but I doubt a majority of players actually care. Most people just mindlessly play the newest version because it is the default in the launcher.

[pastel field]

I haven’t actually seen any cases about people being “false banned” tbh

[fallow anvil]

I haven't seen any bans that did not occur on Realms where Mojang is using an algorithm to monitor chat.

[pastel field]

Yeah

So I don’t think it really matters to much for anyone

And realms is fair it’s mojangs domain they are hosting the servers

[fallow anvil]

It doesn't matter yet

[pastel field]

Well just become something may or may not happen doesn’t mean we have to get against it for no reason

Reporting has been a thing for a few months now and no false bans, so maybe having hope instead of constant hatred could be better?

People hated reports for what they could mean, but now that those things didn’t come to pass, idk why you should continue to hate mojang and instead like actually be happy they made a good system lol

Unlike certain moderation on certain other platforms (cough Roblox)

[fallow anvil]

I disagree with most of the system in principle. I hope there are not false-bans and that seems to be the case right now. In my opinion, free speech ought to be protected online just like the right to privacy. If they removed all of the reasons that aren't crimes in real life, then I wouldn't care nearly as much.

[pastel field]

I doubt people spamming racial slurs in their favourite Minecraft server and some news outlet picking it up would be the greatest publicity

And would also prob make more parents not want to get their kids Minecraft

[umbral zealot]

The "free speech" thing again lol
If your idea of "free speech" means allowing hate speech and discrimination, maybe Minehut is and shouldn't be a place for you at all. Right to privacy is completely different from right to "free speech."

And like Byte said, it's bad for business too.

Everyone agrees that false bans are something that need to be fixed, and that also comes hand in hand with a better system to remove the problems. Bringing "what about my free speech?" doesn't really do much for the discussion other than waste time. I very much doubt Minehut would go that low.

[lucid plume]

ok then

[lucid plume]

I'll take that as a challange

[lucid plume]

Non-selectable huh?

[pastel field]

Literally look one sentence down

And learn to read

[outer fog]

Nah bro, reading is hard

btw, if you try to add extra fake messages that the player didnt see, they will be ignored by mojang

[lucid plume]

Nothing one sentence down

[outer fog]

Messages srrounding this selection will be included...

[lucid plume]

I know

[outer fog]

than why would you want t oselect it?

its already in the report

[lucid plume]

to highlight the message

[outer fog]

What do you think that will achieve

[lucid plume]

There is a reason minecraft let's me select it

and don't try to change the subject

[outer fog]

When did i change the subject?

The reason to select a message is for it to be marked as related to the issue

and context is just automatically there

[lucid plume]

its related

[outer fog]

what is

[lucid plume]

they were wishing death on someone

and I selected the message that wished death

[outer fog]

is it the same person you are reporting?

[lucid plume]

yes

[outer fog]

than you can select it too

[lucid plume]

Select what?

ur mom... lol!!!

[outer fog]

BrO dOnT cHaNgE tHe SuBjEcT

[lucid plume]

THATS NOT CHANGING THE SUBJECT

[pastel field]

“…on a player server” mb it was in the same sentence

Learn to read @lucid plume then you can try doing whatever you are doing with chat reports

Reporting won’t work on players servers so idk why you are doing this

[lucid plume]

Your CaSe SeNsItIvE

[outer fog]

They can enable it

[pastel field]

What

[pastel field]

No they can’t

It doesn’t work right now the way minehut has it

They plan to make it work in 1.19.3 though

[outer fog]

Cant they just go intop server properties and set enforce-secure-thing too true?

[pastel field]

Nope

[lucid plume]

After clicking the report button I got success

[pastel field]

That’s in the lobby

[outer fog]

mh just eats the report

[lucid plume]

it gets sent to mojang

[outer fog]

nope

[lucid plume]

not the server

[outer fog]

not on player servers aparently

what color is the indicator next to the messages

[lucid plume]

what one

[outer fog]

the ones that were sent to mojang aparently

[lucid plume]

if reports were sent to the server, then the server owners could delete the reports making only one or everyone non-reportable

so minecraft sends it to mojang servers

[outer fog]

What server owners do is replace player messages with formatted server broadcast message

Thats why on some servers the indicators are all gray

[lucid plume]

I know

[outer fog]

They arent deleting reports

[lucid plume]

also plob use teams for that unless they want any message people send to show as modified

[outer fog]

no? you can just select who the message gets sent to

nothing to do with teams

And its not a modified message, its literally ignored

the messages do not show up from players

[pastel field]

You can only report in the lobby currently

It’s been said by a mh dev as well

And that’s how it works right now, go test it

Minehut strips keys

They are also going to strip the keys of players in 1.19-1.19.2 which should stop any exploits which are in that version

So @lucid plume have fun

[outer fog]

dw, dude will figure out how to add the stripped keys back

[lucid plume]

not true

[pastel field]

What’s not true

[outer fog]

what is not true

[lucid plume]

this

[outer fog]

BRUH

it is true

[lucid plume]

no

[outer fog]

server messages dont hacve keys

[lucid plume]

here's what's scary, you can report players that sent messages in the lobby

[outer fog]

why is that scary?

if you say <insert bad word> in lobby, you probably deserve a ban if its that extreme

I recommend you take a look at what gaslight and no chat report mod does

[pastel field]

It is true

[outer fog]

like lok at the sourcecode on gh

[lucid plume]

Your not true

[outer fog]

its only enabled for him
Source: trust me bro

[pastel field]

Case closed

@lucid plume not talking huh?

[lucid plume]

Ok then

you forgot the screenshots I uploaded

[outer fog]

what?

you didnt upload anything

[outer fog]

this one?

[lucid plume]

all of them

also how then I got a success

[outer fog]

Do you know what i see at the bottom? [AD]
And do you know what that mens? that its from the LOBBY

[lucid plume]

yes

and that's what I'm talking about

[outer fog]

We sad that you can only report in the lobby, you said it works in player servers too

than you reason with you reporting lobby messges?

[lucid plume]

if minehut were to make it player server not be usable with chat reports, then why does minehut disconnect me when I send a message with ncr

huh?

[outer fog]

since the key stripping happens after sending the messaage

[lucid plume]

if then, minehut will have no point

[outer fog]

the server recieves the message

ensure-secure-profile is on

so it checks if you have a key

[lucid plume]

no, the server does not have ncr, but cancels the message and resends it

[outer fog]

than it gets sent forward to plugins

and it strips the key

[lucid plume]

and enforce-secure-profile is off

the client has ncr

not talking now

[outer fog]

yeah im playing valorant

whatever you do, the keys are stripped on player servers, no questions asked

[lucid plume]

there is questions asked, talk to me later

[pastel field]

Because ncr removes the keys from your session

And minehut requires those keys to talk

And so you get a chat validation error

[lucid plume]

It removes the keys before you join

[pastel field]

Yes

So you have no keys

And minehut needs those keys

So server is like hey no keys bye bye

It’s pretty simple dude

[lucid plume]

well then

[outer fog]

probably futureproofing

[lucid plume]

how does enforce-secure-profile is off and I'm still getting those messages

[outer fog]

i guewss mh does still force it

[pastel field]

Because you don’t need keys to get messages

[outer fog]

but it will be removed anyways

[pastel field]

Messages can be sent but you need keys to get messages

Same reason why bedrock players can see text messages in minehut lobby while not ever getting keys

[pastel field]

It doesn’t

If it did he would have been kicked

On join

[lucid plume]

you already joined the server

[pastel field]

?

[lucid plume]

minehut just transfers you to the world

[outer fog]

waaait

[lucid plume]

file of the server

[outer fog]

thats bs

its on a different server

[pastel field]

No, I’m saying if they had secure profiles on then you would get kicked when you joined the server

[outer fog]

not a different world

[pastel field]

Sometimes you get sent to a captcha server which may not have secure profiles on

But if you get sent to the main server and it had secure profiles on you would get kicked

[lucid plume]

captcha. MOJANG DOESNT SEND ME TO A CAPTCHA

[pastel field]

I’m talking about mine hut

When you join a minehut server, you can either get sent to a captcha server or the main server

If you got sent to the main server where in this possible scenario secure profiles is on, you would get instant kicked

That’s all I’m sayin

[lucid plume]

the server you have to right click on

[pastel field]

No

The minehut lobby

What are you talking about

[lucid plume]

I tried to turn on enforce-secure-profiles for a test and it set it back to false

[pastel field]

Yeah

[lucid plume]

you never leave minehut when you join a server

[outer fog]

what do you mean by minehut?

[lucid plume]

DONT TRY THAT ON ME

[outer fog]

You said you dont leave minehut. What are you saying exactly

[pastel field]

Bro what tf are you even saying at this point

[pastel field]

Obviously it’s a proxy

So what’s your point here

[lucid plume]

you just get transfered to another world

[pastel field]

No???

[outer fog]

Its not another worls

[pastel field]

You get sent to a whole different server

Which is connected to minehut

Via a proxy

[lucid plume]

ok

I'll test that later

[pastel field]

are you ok

[outer fog]

XD

[pastel field]

Bro doesn’t even know how minehut works

Wait till he finds out about containers

I bet he thinks that all servers are linked by one console

[outer fog]

WaIt Is ThAt NoT hOw It WoRkS?

[lucid plume]

Yes

Who is "WaIt", maybe because words are CaSe SeNsItIvE

[pastel field]

Doesn’t look like it

[pastel field]

?

[outer fog]

thats a capital i

[lucid plume]

CaSe SeNsItIvE

[outer fog]

what?

[lucid plume]

words are CaSe SeNsItIvE

Lol

[outer fog]

that is called mocking

do you know what mocking is?

[lucid plume]

DONT ASK ME

[outer fog]

XD

[lucid plume]

WARNING:

Links on screen are susser then the appear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ

I TOLD YOU

[outer fog]

you lost your mind

[lucid plume]

NO I DIDN'T

[pastel field]

bros gone insane

[outer fog]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgkxA5oOIF_V4e5fkNFSWOHJC_IYExJCVBcF

Are you kan ye west?

[lucid plume]

DONT WATCH THIS

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8ZH_mkfPUY

I TOLD YOU

[outer fog]

Channel missuse

[lucid plume]

Just to mark what you do

Changes the subject

[fallow anvil]

We were having a conversation on the system as a whole in response to some claims about exploits which are now patched. ByteSkript was denouncing hatred against the system and he is partially right. Hatred based on false reports would be unbased. I was staked my dislike towards Mojang on my moral disagreement with the system they created. I don't have a problem with Minehut not tolerating certain conduct in the lobby. I understand that Minehut wants money. I like money too. My problem is with Mojang sticking their hands in between players and servers.

As for the comparison of free speech and privacy: I was making a point about the fundamental rights that governments are supposed to protect such as fair trials, free speech, privacy, life, pursuit of happiness, etc. Governments do not protect you from persecution based on your speech by private entities. Maybe the CDA should be rewritten. It is after all an old law made before the modern internet.

[twin venture]

How is it any different from the moderation other games get? this keeps actual toxic people out of servers instead of them just being banned on a single server and moving to the next.

[lucid plume]

Minecraft is a sand box and they have player-hosted servers, minecraft has a bigger community then for example Roblox so since minecraft is a sandbox game then players get angry when they notice they can get banned meaning if its permeant... You just wasted money

[twin venture]

Have you looked at the reasons you can get banned for? No decent person is going to get banned

[lucid plume]

Yes

[twin venture]

So what are you worried about

[lucid plume]

But there are false bans on bedrock, meaning they might just come to java

I mean who is going to moderate thousands of players reports

[twin venture]

Trained moderators

[lucid plume]

Nope, there would have to be thousands

[twin venture]

😐

[lucid plume]

and they would get tired

meaning false bans

That is how false bans could come to java

[twin venture]

Now you're just making stuff up to try and make a point lol

[lucid plume]

minehut should remove the reports minecraft gives you and start using there own chat reports

[twin venture]

There is no good argument to be made to remove it from Minehut, so it's not going to be removed

[lucid plume]

minehut should not be like minecraft ingnoring the feedback, just look and the dislikes compared to the likes

I have a point, see?

[twin venture]

oh no 47 people clicked on an emoji how will we ever recover from this

in reality the chat reports make no difference for the vast majority of players, in other words, if you aren't a toxic person then you have nothing to worry about 👍

[lucid plume]

How about no

https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/x14k5e/minecraft_censoring/

and see the FAQ on minecraft 1.19.1/1.19.2

Case closed

[stuck yoke]

not everyone will click an emoji/visit this forum

[lucid plume]

Case closed, okay?

[strong oak]

discrimination does in fact fall under "crimes in real life"

i also believe in a right to privacy as well, and this restricts you of that on most servers

[lucid plume]

Minehut should remove chat reports with the reasons I put above

[umbral zealot]

People that like it don’t bother to come here because they don’t have as much to complain about than you

[umbral zealot]

Most of the chat reporting thing is to remove discrimination and hate speech as well as creeps, I’d assume they’re both crimes. Lot of the people I’ve seen that beg for “free speech” on Minehut because they got rightly banned are the same people that would throw slurs around and ask creepy questions.

(And since it’s a kids’ game, they have to be strict.)

[umbral zealot]

And even without Mojang’s reporting, Minehut is still logging messages on its servers and still removing people that become problems.

[strong oak]

im talking about the system in general not just on minehut because the chat reports are enabled on all servers, including private ones
i would be fine with the system if it was completely opt-in and you didnt need to install 3rd party plugins to strip the message signing

[lucid plume]

I know they added chat reports plob to maake it kid-friendly but with false bans makes me aganist it

[lucid plume]

same

everyone agrees (almost)

if it was opt in opt out, not as many people would be angry about it

[twin venture]

there's no evidence of false bans

[lucid plume]

did you forget > https://www.reddit.com/r/Minecraft/comments/x14k5e/minecraft_censoring/

[twin venture]

that could be a completely made up story for one, and two, in the rare case you actually do get false banned, nothing is stopping you from appealing the ban

[lucid plume]

Yes, however...

mircosoft is not always there to review appeals

[twin venture]

Okay whatever you say lol

Source: trust me i swear

[lucid plume]

at least minehut should add a opt in opt out for players servers kicking players with ncr

[twin venture]

chat reports aren't enabled on playerservers lol, why use NCR in the first place

[lucid plume]

First of all, other servers outside of minehut, and next lobby allows reports

if chat reports was opt in opt out, not as many people would be angry about it

[fallow anvil]

I never said I liked the moderation other games have. However, for the sake of argument I will assume the moderation on whatever game you are thinking of is perfect in all cases. Minecraft is not like those games in any way. Firstly, Minecraft servers excluding Realms are hosted on user-purchased or corporate-owned hardware. This means that the user owns the server itself. Secondly, Minecraft is not actually one game. Minecraft is many different games to many different people. Some servers are designed to be toxic like 2b2t. They offer a voluntary toxic experience. Some servers are designed for kids and have their own moderation systems. Some servers are just places for a few friends to hang out. Minecraft is not one game like most video games. Thirdly, the game is designed to have no rules. It is quite literally in the trailer after all. The beauty of the game is that the only limit is your imagination.

[fallow anvil]

I think the good argument is: not having to switch versions to ad, and bedrock players being able to ad.

[twilit otter]

nah screw bedrock

[fallow anvil]

Hate speech is not a crime. Being a creep is only sometimes a crime since it depends on the age of the other person, country jurisdiction, etc. Per Section 230 of CDA, Minehut is allowed to ban people for whatever reasons they want.

[fallow anvil]

Average age of a Java Edition player is 24. You also have to be 13 to use Minehut anyway. Calling this a kids' game is a blatant lie.

[fallow anvil]

Discrimination is a crime in real life when conducted by a workplace, business, government, etc. It is not a crime that an individual commits in social life or through individual speech.

[fallow anvil]

I don't normally agree with you, but this is 100% correct. Surveys always under-sample the status quo side of an argument.

[strong oak]

specifically on minehut - i also dislike the fact that you cannot properly run and advertise your server on your own if you're playing on something like 1.8

the disabling of ads on older versions is completely unnecessary imo

[twilit otter]

pretty sure u cant do discrimination to some random person

still a law breaker

[lucid plume]

same

[fallow anvil]

What exactly are you discriminating them from? Discrimination is a crime when it denies someone an opportunity like a job for example. There is no crime for refusing social relationships or whatever you think is a crime that I didn't cover in my statement about businesses.

[twilit otter]

thats not it

discrmination is usually hating someone for something they are or have

[fallow anvil]

"Discrimination is the act of making unjustified distinctions between people based on the groups, classes, or other categories to which they belong or are perceived to belong." -Wikipedia. Discrimination implies that something is unjustly lost or gained. It has nothing to do with hate and everything to do with opportunity, economics, and the right of an individual for fair treatment from the government and businesses.

[twilit otter]

wait

so i dont do discrimination

zamn

[umbral zealot]

"the unjust or prejudicial treatment of different categories of people or things, especially on the grounds of race, age, or s*x" - Oxford
It is very often in a form of hate speech when it comes to video games, such as Minecraft and then Minehut. Either way, why should Minehut rules be based on government law?

A question I forgot to ask: exactly is it that you so desperately want to do but can't due to chat reporting?

[twilit otter]

beacuse he is the main character from chat reporting anime

he is on his devil arc

[fallow anvil]

My main problem is with the scope of the system. If it was possible to opt-out of the banlist being enforced without having to make your server cracked, then I would have no problems. As for the things I want to do that Microsoft won't let me: many things they consider "misinformation" are differences in opinion and not based in clear scientific consensus. A lot of the stuff they consider "hate speech" is a difference in opinion or social values and not simply spamming slurs in a chat box.

[errant monolith]

thats on realms only servers microsoft/mojang host

[lucid plume]

same

[tall wyvern]

jesus what OS is that

or do you have some sort of custom window thing

dont tell me thats mac

if thats mac im gonna cry

NOOO THAT'S MAC 😭

MAC IS SO GODDAMN UGLY 😭

[pastel field]

thats CAP

mac screenshots look so much more based i swear

[tall wyvern]

wait till you hear about GNOME

[pastel field]

i know what gnome is

[tall wyvern]

GNOME my beloved <3

[pastel field]

mac screenshot looks better though

like transparent background

shadows

such a nice attention to detail

[tall wyvern]

yea but

😩

[pastel field]

what is that

[tall wyvern]

GNOME

[pastel field]

never seen gnome screenshots look like that