#[Official] Hinterwilds

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opal pine
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What class?

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Also, hurray at killing oozes freeing people now:
XXX is violently ejected from within the oozeling as it dies!
PS: I have a gemstone you should buy, stranger 😆
PPS: I didn't actually know oozelings could eat you too

zealous nimbus
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Boreal forest and outside of the ME are both huntable precap, just pick your spots and try to 1v1 it. I've seen Keruta doing the gigas villages as well but he might just be flexing his cleric muscles on people

austere wigeon
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Can't warriors use wtrick appraise to check current stance of target? I'm not in-game to look, but I thought that trick did that... and I have wanted to try to incorporate that into my feint macro, but never put in the effort.

hasty garnet
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I think tackle works best on them, but not really anything else, like they will expend time to stand up.. I usually just fury them immediately and they squish, otherwise ugh

tribal quarry
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You have been tasked to suppress niveous giant warg activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. You need to kill 13 of them to complete your task.
You have been tasked to suppress niveous giant warg activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. You need to kill 15 of them to complete your task.
You have been tasked to suppress niveous giant warg activity in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. You need to kill 19 of them to complete your task.
Guess it's Eldurhaart time! The bounty people have spoken.

chilly valve
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New Challenge unlocked from Hinterwilds: Liquid herbs be expensive....... I just replenished most of my survivalist kit herbs at the Sylverrand herb shop that does all liquid potions and the bill for my warrior was like 300K and my cleric was 250k...... Any other full liquid herbalists or should I be leaning more on the extractor ability? This definitely wasnt an issue in OTF.

hasty garnet
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zul and teras

ashen tapir
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Are herb prices that varied?

chilly valve
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No sure, I need to see what the difference between a solid herb and a liquid herb is

lime swan
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have you compared to Pinefar yet

hasty garnet
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pinefar is very costly

pliant hatch
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We can’t afford pinefar herbs now that HW loot has been ruined by gemstones locusts

zealous nimbus
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Step 1: find legendary
Step 2: sell for 400m
Step 3: buy pinefar herbs

lime knot
hasty garnet
young cape
limber widget
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Is there a way to remove leeches?

earnest spire
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Hold a dagger base weapon and PRY leech. It takes a few goes at it since there are multiple leeches.

lime knot
earnest spire
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Lol awesome

marsh canyon
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The best way in RL to remove leeches is salt. Having grown up in the sticks, I've done it more than once, though it's not that common they latch on. Some won't, actually we called the ones that would, blood suckers, while leeches were for fishing. I lived next to a trout stream where the leeches grew to 6" long. Also, they inject an anticoagulant into you, so when you remove them you bleed pretty good.

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TMI?

lime swan
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i just let the leeches feed. +50 health recovery lol

you know, leeches have a bad rep for no good reason. there are basically no diseases (outside of some rare situations) that a leech can give you. compare that to mosquitoes, ticks, ugh. i wish they were all leeches instead

edit: i did just learn about Aeromonas hydrophila infections, but have never heard of that happening to anyone. even so, significantly better than malaria, lyme, etc.

tribal halo
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I like to let them feed because it gives my dwarf tattoo a bit of exercise.

ashen tapir
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Loot is fully trash this morning. Running major loot boost in a group finding 1 item for every 5 kills and it may be a garbage gem

pliant hatch
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Yeah it's over. Gemstones ruined HW loot. We had a good run.

sharp raptor
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I guess the silver lining is that it makes hunting for gemstones/dust free of the hassle of unloading loot.
I actually hit item count limit with skins/gems before I ran into encumbrance/storage issues.

earnest spire
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Hive loot is fantastic right now, but you gotta be able to skin gud

sharp raptor
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Just a friendly reminder to all the ambushers. This isn't targeting anyone specific, lately I've come across a dozen or so instances. If you're hiding when you hunt, turning on your obvious hiding flag will help others not to jump into the middle of your hunt, also should help prevent mechanics like berserk that target/engage/chase enemies into areas if there are no PCs there.

With the exception of a couple of folks who got nasty, and one who insisted on attacking/ambushing me during a berserk, it's been pretty civil. There's no shortage of critters in the Hinterwilds, and I'm never intentionally steeling your kills. Always feels bad to me to wipe out a room of critters, then see someone come out of hiding with a sigh. Easy solution! Makes hunting better for everyone. 🙂

earnest spire
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It'll also keep the bots from jumping in and stealing your kills. The scripts account for Obvious Hiders and act accordingly to move rooms.

hasty garnet
tribal halo
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I have my flag on and I've had more scripters come in and kill my room in the last week than I can remember since being back

Not that I'm complaining, they've all apologized 😆

pliant hatch
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If someone doesn’t have obvious hiding on I absolutely do not want to hear a peeeeeeep out of them if I poach them while they’re hidden. It shouldn’t even be flaggable; that messaging should be game behavior.

opal pine
charred harness
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Just my opinion, but someone’s hiding, and pride themselves on not being seen. RP wise, They’re doing a really bad job of it if they come out of hiding with a sigh, after you kill a critter.

They literally achieved exactly what they were hoping for, then gave themselves up 😂

If anything, they should start toying with the non hiders.

Stalk them, let out a whistle here or there. Subdue a creature.

Make people start freaking out while they hunt 😬

If neither of those things appeal to them, then it seems like they’re griefing just to grief

pliant hatch
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People who ambush without using a disk or obvious hiding are just looking for pretext for PvP

stoic venture
charred harness
tough swan
earnest spire
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I just have macros to swap ObviousHiding on and off

austere wigeon
vale cliff
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has anyone found a prismatic ball of ether?

austere wigeon
austere wigeon
vale cliff
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nope i lost it on my wizard i'm guessing yesterday or the day before looks like nomarked drop was off. I don't know if I put it in a robe on the ground somewhere or what but most likely around fwi or hinterwilds

vale cliff
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found one of my rods in a robe laying in gc so I might have lost it there and someone picked it up

sharp raptor
# austere wigeon Berserk mechanics honor a hidden player with the obvious hiding flag? Really? ...

I'm guessing the obvious hiding thing does something to whatever status berserk is looking at to see if someone is in the adjacent room. There are a few instances it seems not to work in (which is why I said, "help prevent"). If a valravn does it's "nightmare" thing and the stun breaks before the beserk does, and the other I've run into is if a gigas tosses you mid-berserk into a room with someone in it. In both this instances I guess no check is ever made, so the berserk just keeps going. 😄

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Oh, and I'm guessing this is a feature, and did let me save someone the other night, but if I'm berserking and about to chase, where it would normally ignore a room with someone in it, if they are stunned, it can run me right in there with a instant non-focused mstrike.

sharp raptor
young cape
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I use a disk and have obvious hiding but still get a lot of people coming into the room I'm in and start blowing up creatures. More often than not I'll say "hello" and they'll apologizes. It can be a madhouse out there so I dont let it bother me.

worthy oracle
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Personally, I PEER before moving into any room. If the room has NPCs and no disk/obvious hiding, I come in guns blazing. On occasion, this means that someone entered the room in the split second between my PEER and move/attack...which I always apologize for.

austere wigeon
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Same. All we can do is be responsive, try to be polite (even if they're not), and yell "Sorry" if stuff happens. I think I've yelled Sorry once or twice to Perigourd, too (if you are hider / non-disker / not-obvious hider I've seen in Gigas village once or twice. Definitely P someone that I've seen in the screen scroll and try to move)

tribal halo
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It happens to me often, even with a disk and obvious hiding on. I don't get spicy, generally speaking... unless the player is obviously afk and it happens several times.

sharp raptor
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Yeah. I feel like the regular Hintewilds crew knows what's up, communicates, and doesn't run into a lot of tension over such matters usually. Despite Cold River not being an actual "town" (though I'll always advocate for us to have all the amenities), I think we are often one of the most community-based and welcoming towns in GS; very much a live and let live sort of dynamic and everyone does their own thing. Cold River feels sort of like the flip-side of one of the starting towns—a post-cap town, I guess? Ultimately, I'd like for everyone to enjoy their time in Cold River and find an exciting and lucrative experience while hunting the Hinterwilds. It is one of the largest (if not the largest) hunting ground in the game, with multiple locales, and a lot of space to breath even on the crowded days.

Anyway, I felt like it was worth mentioning since the hiding/hunting issue has popped up several times for me with the recent influx of new visitors and transient hunters heading North, and there are some simple steps to take to help mitigate that tension where it does exist.

slate crane
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I usually have obvious hiding on but do forget sometimes. I've ambushed since the very beginning, way before the obvious hiding flag came out, and had gotten used to losing kills while I was hidden. Like Perigourd, I really don't mind. There's always the next kill, right around the corner, especially in HW!In other words, if you're going to complain about being poached, use the flag, have one of those stalkerish disks, etc.

frosty junco
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With HW being super spammy now, you pretty much need to run into a room with your guns blazing. Obviously I won’t attack if I see someone hidden, but it’s not realistic to ask us to wait 10 seconds to make sure someone isn’t trying to ambush without the obvious hiding flag on. Too dangerous now.

lime knot
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The amount of times i've poached via script in HW is like, 0. Well 1 and it was a non-flag, non-disk person (so i have a negative amount of caring for that one. I'm not gonna shake down a random hurt mob like "WHO DID THIS TO YOU? ARE THEY STILL HERE?")

I have blown by a room, had it be empty, gone "oh there was a shield maiden in there i needed" type se, incant 720 by hand and....the room was not empty when i got back a fair bit

austere wigeon
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Folks in HW have been pretty good. I know I have occasionally created some wanton slaughter when tagged / quaked / knocked down / RT hit something when running through a room, get hit, and then react. When I can get out of RT to move on, I do, but as others said: in a swarmy room, it's swords and bolts blazing. With my warrior's shield riposte, I react with a shield bash 100% of the time if I'm hit, and that's a 2 second RT (I think).

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Someone attacking you (Myharl) while berserking seems like an outlier. There does seem to be a warrior often in a gigas village who is often unresponsive, even while dead, healed, chrismed, and raised... maybe that character irritated the one who attacked you one too many times, but... that's still not an excuse for them.

sharp raptor
delicate steeple
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I blame Myharl for killing me only for comedic factor and to tease and now I feel bad ! Wondering how I can double down I this joke.

sharp raptor
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Haha! Well, at least it wasn't xazkruvrixis. There's nothing quite like having an ally get sympathied for 10 rounds by the wyrm, having zero wounds, full health, and getting bopped with deathmetal for 4 damage and instant death. ⚔️ (Would actually be funny sans the 8-9 hour wait.)

calm flint
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just gotta say my fav part of the entire quest is || that one village of gigas being chill with me now||, and I never wanna screw that up 😛

sharp raptor
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Wymslayers respect.

calm flint
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i followed a packmother in there the other day and was all ||"oh, I'm scared to fight in here and ruin my deal with these peeps, um, bye"||

frosty junco
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Picking on Myharl because you’re having a bad day seems like an awful idea. It’s like trying to bully the Rock

sharp raptor
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I mean... I wouldn't mess with a towering 10.5" hulking wall of muscle battleraging, but Elanthians can be weird. 🤣

hoary temple
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Myharl ain't so scary. I've seen him run from valravns... a lot. 😛

sharp raptor
hoary temple
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it was a highlight moment - very satisfying for someone who uses evil eye lol

tribal halo
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Every time I have fought the dragon with Myharl he has gotten 1-tapped, which makes me feel really, really good about myself.

sharp raptor
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I think you're right! 😆 Those SSR attacks are no joke! I've watched them take out every Wyrmslayer at least once.

hoary temple
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If I'm not just grinding, I tend to use ;wander <creature name> and it does me fairly well to avoid poaching others. However, if I do accidentally disable/kill your mob then you're welcome!

sharp raptor
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(gazes west)

viral aspen
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You were too fast for me to fix it! :p

timid sundial
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The alchemist or the gigas should sell some kind of container item for fragments that lets you store x9999 of quills/feathers/spheres/idols but counts it as a single, weightless item. even better if it lets you inferno/altar the items with a wave or point without having to do it one by one.

lime swan
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huh will (some?) of those stack in a bag of holding, at least?

pliant hatch
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How many times are you planning to summon the sybil that that’s even a problem lol

zealous nimbus
hasty garnet
timid sundial
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oh nice, finally a use for bag of holding!

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uh,,does the bag of holding not have a function to change worn location?

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boooo... great idea, but having only 3 functional belt slots killed it ;sob:

opal pine
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It does, back/belt/shoulder

timid sundial
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hmmmm

tribal quarry
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All I can envision is Etheirys having a premium account where every character slot is occupied by an Ascension-capable character with Gemstones unlocked.

timid sundial
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i'm pretty sure you have more characters than me :p
i'm waiting for the day dreaven decides to ascension his army!

timid sundial
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also could we get some icemule lockers in town pls?

charred harness
tribal quarry
timid sundial
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25 is already a lot. if you have 25 of each sybil item, that's 75 items right there. regardless of whether that's in your inventory or in your locker, that's a substantial chunk of the item limit!

sharp raptor
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I keep my excess HW drops priced max in Myharl's office in his shop. I also keep a stock priced at 1 silver for folks who need them.

charred harness
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have had no issues with them stacking in my BOH:

a stygian valravn quill (15)```
timid sundial
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yea boh works great. i just need to change the worn location

pliant hatch
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SMR SvD: +30 - Penalty: +5 + o100 roll: +264 == +289
An eyeless black valravn vaporizes into a swirl of cold, black mist that streaks toward you in a blur of shadowy, intangible feathers!  The vaporous cloud penetrates your magical defenses and washes over you in a chaotic onslaught!
Limned in radiance, a translucent pale golden shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Blood vessels in arm burst!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Blast creates interesting designs on torso, but little damage.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   You double over with stomach cramps.
   ... 6 points of damage!
   Flesh removed, forming a long gash across abdomen!
Limned in radiance, a translucent pale golden shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Veins in arm stand out briefly!
Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!  The anklet glints one last time, then grows dim.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Chilly blast to the chest causes heart to skip a beat.
Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!  The anklet glints one last time, then grows dim.
   ... 4 points of damage!
   You're not getting cold feet now, are you?
   ... 9 points of damage!
   Abdomen swells, internal organs rupture!
Limned in radiance, a translucent pale golden shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Blood vessels in arm burst!
An eyeless black valravn dwindles back into its avian form.```Like being DC'd in 1997 amount of scroll
opal pine
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pally and ranger service putting in some WORK

austere wigeon
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💪

tribal quarry
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It is an enhancive item:
    It provides a boost of 1 to Max Spirit.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 40 times.
    It provides a boost of 6 to Two Weapon Combat Bonus.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 13 times.
    It seems to have a lot of enhancive charges remaining.
It will persist after its last enhancive charge has been expended.
It appears to weigh about 4 pounds.
It is estimated to be worth about 600,000 silvers.
It is predominantly crafted of vaalorn.
It is a simple project (5 difficulty) for an adventurer to modify.
It has a permanently unlocked loresong by Florania.```
Now *there's* an unusual Hinterwilds  find.
static slate
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Huh, neat a shield-maiden can hop on a mastodon. Wonder if mastodon's can spawn on their own or if they only spawn with a rider, and is that spawned rider always a berserker.

viral aspen
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It was a whole lot of fun back when the mastadons could ride each other around.

lime knot
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For the mastodon's, at least.

and all the gigas (maybe not skalds?) can jump on the mastodons

sharp raptor
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Yeah, berserkers and shield-maidens can mount the mastodons.

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Never seen a skald, disciple, or mutant do so.

opal pine
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Disciples and mutants don't typically cohabitate with mastodons, so that's less surprising

young cape
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"Won't you help me find my lost ring?" calls the voice of a terrified halfling, coming from the southeast.

What was this?

chilly valve
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Go help it and find out RIP

vale cliff
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i forgot they did that been a bit since i've seen them yelling things

austere wigeon
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How often do these storm happen? I had to use the alchemist slush for the first time... was out for ~5 minutes and Hypothermia was at 60

hasty garnet
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it's a constant growing debuff

zealous nimbus
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I believe If your resting at village center it doesn't reset between hunts it just stops growing (unless someone lights a fire) it resets over time if your inside

austere wigeon
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I know about the debuff.. but tonight it seemed to be a 'storm' and the messaging seemed different / stronger. I went from 0 to Hypothermia 60 in 5 minutes (maybe 7 minutes... but a very short period of time)

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I did wonder if I had left a character logged out in town center, but one came from Solhaven and another was at a table in FWI for a while

hasty garnet
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oh, that's nothing Ive ever really noticed in that case

sharp raptor
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The weather is variable in the Hinterwilds. There are frequent storms, but also periods where the gale is relatively calm. Hypothermia will continue to stack, but it stacks a lot faster during a storm. There's a ridiculous number of environmental messages associated with the various weather conditions in the Hinterwilds (it took me like a week to capture them all for highlighting), and you can also look at the sky. If there is a storm going on, you won't be able to see the aurora.

||As a side note, I'm still testing on this, but I think I figured out that Bittergale only comes out when the skies are clear. His messaging mentions him looking at the aurora, and so far, I've not seen him come out during a storm, that that might prove to be a way to know when the frostling might be showing up.

(Side Side Note: I suspect this also has some bearing on the Road/runestones recharging as well, but need a lot more data to analyze, but I'm starting to think that exposure to the aurora may be what recharges them).||

sharp raptor
# zealous nimbus I believe If your resting at village center it doesn't reset between hunts it ju...

Yep! If you are indoors, at a bonfire, or near a campfire that someone set up (or alternatively just not in the HW) then hypothermia will tick down pretty quickly. Frostling slush/warding will immediately reset it to zero at the next check if you have hypothermia when it is applied.

Also, if you are resting outdoors in town (without a campfire), hypothermia will not stack, however it will also not tick down. Meaning if you go to rest in village center with 80 hypothermia, it will still be at 80 when you leave no matter how long you stay there.

Lastly, the campfires are supposed to give you a buff to protect you for an X amount of time against the cold environs (based on how well they are built), but that feature isn't currently working.

hasty garnet
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huh, had no idea it was that complex, cool stuff (get it)

young cape
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Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
[SMR result: 241 (Open d100: 73, Bonus: 26)]
You throw your voice behind a heavily armored battle mastodon and the mastodon's attention is diverted by the noise!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
HR>rgam divert mas
Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 267 (Open d100: 99, Bonus: 26)]
You throw your voice behind a heavily armored battle mastodon and the mastodon's attention is diverted by the noise!
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Is this not supposed to work in ascension/HW? This is the same mastodon and it never left the room.

earnest spire
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Was it disabled in another way and unable to move?

young cape
# earnest spire Was it disabled in another way and unable to move? 

A heavily armored battle mastodon stomps in, trunk swinging between its huge forelegs.
H>swe ber
[exec1]>stance offensive
You are now in an offensive stance.
H>
[exec1]>sweep ber
You come out of hiding.
You crouch and sweep a leg at a tattooed gigas berserker!
[SMR result: 180 (Open d100: 18, Bonus: 10)]
Your size significantly hinders your attack!
A tattooed gigas berserker falls to the ground!  You deftly regain your footing.
Your attack exposes a vulnerability in a tattooed gigas berserker's defenses!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>
[stancedance]>cman duckandweave
You relax from the Whirling Dervish Stance.
You balance your posture and narrow your eyes, preparing to misdirect your foes' attacks.
R>hide
...wait 1 seconds.
R>hide
...wait 1 seconds.
R>hide
...wait 1 seconds.
R>
You feel more refreshed.
R>hide
You attempt to blend with the surroundings, and feel confident that no one has noticed your doing so.
Roundtime: 1 sec.
HR>
[stancedance]>cman dervish
>rgam divert mas
Your posture relaxes as you stop preparing to misdirect your foes' attacks.
You assume the Whirling Dervish stance, ready to switch targets at a moment's notice.
H>
Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
[SMR result: 241 (Open d100: 73, Bonus: 26)]
You throw your voice behind a heavily armored battle mastodon and the mastodon's attention is diverted by the noise!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
HR>rgam divert mas
Silently, you inhale and prepare your diversion.
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 267 (Open d100: 99, Bonus: 26)]
You throw your voice behind a heavily armored battle mastodon and the mastodon's attention is diverted by the noise!
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Nope, it had just walked into the room. This isn't the first time I've had this happen to me either with critters.

earnest spire
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Maybe it thought the berserker was riding it, lol. I've noticed a lot of weirdness there over the years.

young cape
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When the berserker or a shield-maiden is riding a mastodon, they will both leave the room. I'll throw in a bug report 🙂

earnest spire
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I'm just hypothesizing that the game tweaked out and thought the prone berserker was somehow riding the mastodon so the engine went "can't compute"

young cape
sharp raptor
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What room did this happen in, know off hand? There was someone else who reported issues with DIVERT and the system seemed to think to obvious direction was "closed". Might be the same issue here. I'm wondering if this is happening in front of the gigas runestones, wich both might be seeing as a viable direction, but closed.

stuck blade
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Added an advguard3 tag to the mapdb for the alchemist.
;alias add --global g3 = ;go2 advguard3

Alchemist can be used to turn in bounties and is always in the same location.

shadow dagger
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A flayed gigas disciple points a flayed finger at you!
You quickly blank your mind, settling your thoughts like a reflective pool of water, and manage to redirect the gigas disciple's spell back at him!
CS: +520 - TD: +319 + CvA: +19 + d100: +92 == +312
Warding failed!
The gigas disciple's right leg explodes!
A flayed gigas disciple falls to the ground grasping his mangled right leg!
The gigas disciple is stunned!

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Can't describe how rewarding it is to see this. I'm glad this is an area where things can ward themselves

young cape
sharp raptor
# young cape

Hmm... I don't think there's anything in that room but a fishing boat, if I recall correctly. If it had been one southwest, I might have suspected the river. Thanks! That sated my curiosity as to whether it was trying to divert to an actual location that was causing it to fail. Edit: was a fishing net.

young cape
marsh canyon
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The river really needs to freeze solid seasonally, so we can go ice fishing, and cross on foot. All these signs of fishing when the river is flowing with ice, doesn't seems like we aren't in fishing season.

tribal halo
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...but only when it's really, really cold up there.

austere wigeon
opal pine
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Yes. I never talk to the tavern guy for any bounties in HW

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In fact I was able to successfully avoid the tavern for years until the artificer decided to home up in there

tribal quarry
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Skins [82]: an inky black valravn plume (25), a handful of undansormr scales (2), a niveous warg pelt (27), a woolly mastodon trunk (28)```
```You ask Bramblefist if he would like to buy the contents of a snowy white case with a tidal pearl latch.
Bramblefist takes the snowy white case, inspects the contents carefully and removes the items he is interested in.  Bramblefist hands it back to you and says, "I don't have that much spare silver, so I will have to give you a Northwatch bond note for it."

Bramblefist removes the items and hands you a note for 36,649 silvers.```
There comes a time to seriously evaluate whether it's worth continuing to skin on a silver-per-pound-of-encumbrance basis...
heady creek
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seeing as those are sub 500 avg, I would say yes. 1k+ or not worth it

tribal quarry
worthy oracle
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pelts and trunks are totally in the gutter but the scales and plumes are still halfway decent until loot cap kicks them down

marsh canyon
cyan lynx
hasty garnet
ashen tapir
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Been feeding mine to my animal totem

vale cliff
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has there been any progress made on releasing the wyrm scale alter fodder?

viral aspen
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I want wyrm scale armor!

earnest spire
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Coming to HESS 2026

tribal quarry
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When Hinterwilds loot has tanked enough that I'm finding gems I kind of forgot existed, like tiny nightsky tourmalines and mottled green jaspers.

sharp raptor
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I don't compartmentalize my loot values by category, but between bounties, skins, gems and droploot, and boxes, I've continued to consistently pull roughly 200k per hunt. It's marginally lower than norm (give or take 25-50k), but not dramatically. About the only time I see bigger numbers are either around the start of a month or with a boost. Maybe that small downward margin is more noticeable if loot hunting?

marsh canyon
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The skins have suffered the most

tribal quarry
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I pull in roughly the same amount per hunt no matter what because I just go until either I'm breaching inventory limits (happens when fairly deep into loot cap because then not as many boxes drop) or containers are full (when not into loot cap), so I can't really judge by total take per hunt.

But I do know when I haven't seen some 20 silver gem in weeks and suddenly I find it again. 😄 Or, conversely, when I haven't seen one of the top end gems that can purify to 20k silver in days (ebon winternight sapphires, pastel-hued wintersbite pearls, nival everfrost shards, faceted stormcloud alexandrites).

worthy oracle
#

my observation is around how quickly I'm hitting loot cap...as someone who never even felt a soft cap before. Obviously I'm hunting more due to gemstones, but not all that much more. I'm still resting to fresh and clear between each hunt. The main difference is instead of 5-10 minute hunts, I'm doing 15 minute major loot boost hunts. Just a little suspicious how quickly I am seeing heavy soft cap.

tribal quarry
#

You mean like how it sort of jumps from not-capped-at-all to really-deep-into-soft-cap?

worthy oracle
#

that may be part of it, sure - I think I've definitely seen that - but still I wouldn't expect that as quickly as I've seen it (even if that transition is happening alarmingly fast as well)

#

the plausible explanation is that I was always pushing into the soft cap but not enough to notice - and now that I'm hunting like 50% more, I'm hitting it hard and early...but I started noticing it sooner than even that explanation would make me expect

tribal quarry
#

This is the first month I've really bothered to track silver gains and my baby monk definitely fell off once she hit 15.4m by my accounting.

But there is somewhat a wrench in all that--well, actually, two wrenches. On one hand, I'm passing off the highest value gems (only things that can purify to 10k+ base value) to my bard, so there are quite a bit of unrealized gains, as it were. (I guess, in the future, I could account for them by appraising the gems before passing them off and then manually adding that to the tally.)

On the other hand, I of course have max Trading benefits (and race in my monk's case too), so I figured that the fact that I can only track actual silver gains instead of base silver gains would be enough to offset that high value gem factor. It doesn't seem to be, though.

In other words, I think I'm still making more by loot cap measurements than my own flawed-methodology records say I do.

February 25, 2026 edit: The severe flaw in all of the above is that it turns out Trading always did count toward loot cap. Yikes! It's unclear at this time whether race bonus does, though.

worthy oracle
#

there's also the factor that loot in HW is worse this month, and thus it should take longer to hit loot cap if that's the only factor that changed (it isn't, but just as another facet of this that is weird)

worthy oracle
tribal quarry
#

Yeah, I'm thinking it's entirely possible I'm off by like 5m or something crazy. Who knows, maybe it's even more.

worthy oracle
#

if you're off by 5m and your actual is ~20m, assuming soft cap is linear (big assumption), that's only 21% into the soft cap so should your loot really "fall off" even at 20m?

tribal quarry
#

I should to some extent, sure. Don't know if it should be (or even is) as dramatic as it feels, though.

But, hey, on the bright side, less loot means I can stay out even longer fishing for Gemstones.

worthy oracle
#

20% is maybe where I'd think loot cap first becomes slightly noticeable unless you're tracking very closely

For me when I first started feeling it, it felt like 50% loot cap

That said I have no experience with loot cap so maybe that's normal?

tribal quarry
#

I mean, I'm not sure it's as slow moving as you think... I'm not sure it isn't either, of course. For all we know, 25% of the way past soft cap could be a 10% penalty or it could already be a 50% penalty.

Nothing says it has to be a direct correlation of 25% penalty.

worthy oracle
#

and yet very quickly after it started feeling like 50% soft cap, it progressed to what now feels like 90% loot cap...and I have not hunting all that much more, now doing most of the looting on my 2nd account

if it were frontloaded and you quickly felt a 50% drop in loot, you would then expect a relatively slow progression to hard cap.

But yeah, who knows and my data is "feels", which is of course totally unreliable.

ember mist
#

So I figured out the fire in the tavern does something to cure hypothermia. Now I' trying to figure out why my AS is so low in HW.

#

oh... been hunting in ME so much, I guess Symbol Supremacy doesn't work here. That's 13 AS missing. Still seems lower than it should be

stuck blade
#

You probably got hit with the organ buff a few times if you're hunting ME regularly

If your weapon is sanctified you also get AS from that

ember mist
#

Thanks. that helps put the puzzle together. I went from 630-670 down to 590

#

someone also mentioned I should be using a balm from the general store. What's weird is I don't see anywhere on the wiki where it actually says WHAT hypothermia does

marsh canyon
#

Supremacy works fine.

stuck blade
# ember mist Thanks. that helps put the puzzle together. I went from 630-670 down to 590

https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Hinterwilds_creatures

You can increase your Hypothermia tolerance with Physical Fitness, Survival, and Resist Elements. The baseline expectation to combat the wind is 1x Survival. The damage is increased by being wet and by the duration of time you stay outside. Swimming in the Issenflow River applies a Frigid Waters debuff that increases Hypothermia accrual to 2x. You can go into an "inside" room to reduce the environmental effect. Tip: Inside rooms will say "Obvious exits" instead of "Obvious paths." You can use campfires to reduce the environmental effect or possibly go visit a fireplace such as in the Tavern.

Both Hypothermia and the Frigid Waters debuff from the Issenflow River will show up in the Debuff window and do show up under SPELL ACTIVE.

Frostling warding provides temporary protection from Hypothermia. Sparkfinger, the alchemist (Lich# 29876), will apply 15 minutes worth of frostling warding when you order a flask of frostling slush at the price of 5 gigas artifact fragments. The duration of frostling warding does not stack, however it is possible to obtain a full hour of protection by solving an intermittent puzzle in the Boreal Forest.



Wind messaging
Wind screeches through the area, cold as steel and sharp as a knife's edge.  It gleefully slices at your exposed flesh!
The howling wind drives you out of hiding.
You shiver uncontrollably as the freezing air slices at your skin!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   The icy blast tears into your stomach!
   You are stunned for 1 round!
Bitter polar winds whip around you with a hateful screech!
You shiver uncontrollably as the freezing air slices at your skin!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   My!  You'll surely be stiff in the morning!  Better ice down the bruises!
A brief lull in the cutting wind heralds a sudden, cruel gust that sends the temperature plummeting!
You shiver uncontrollably as the freezing air slices at your skin!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Pain penetrates your being as your right ankle shatters from the icy blast.
   You are knocked to the ground!
   You are stunned for 6 rounds!
The freezing cold winds shriek all around you, numbing your extremities.
You shiver uncontrollably as the freezing air slices at your skin!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   My!  You'll surely be stiff in the morning!  Better ice down the bruises!
Hypothermia recovery messaging
A semblance of warmth returns to your body as the bitter cold of the Hinterwilds retreats.```
I suppose its not quite where you would expect it
stuck blade
#

The halfling alchemist in Cold River, Sparkfinger, is working on a concoction that requires a sprig of Imaera's Lace found in the Hinterwilds near Cold River. These samples must be in pristine condition. You have been tasked to retrieve 10 samples.

Imaera's Lace is missing from the mapdb forageables information. Not sure if this is a bug or we need to recrawl the area.

sharp raptor
#

It should be in the hinge in Ojandhaart. (No clue if it's missing from something, I never use those, but just in case you want to still get it)

worthy oracle
sharp raptor
#

Maybe the apostrophe is messing up something with crawling?

zealous nimbus
sharp raptor
#

Well, Fjallarhart would too with the valravns, draugr. That. ^

stuck blade
#

I went through with forage sense myself, checked a couple of rooms in each zone. Nothing. I clicked the lace link in the bounty window each time too. Nothing.

sharp raptor
#

If you sense it, (should in in the Ojandhaart hinge), you can't usethe link for it. Have to type "FORAGE Imaera's Lace". Apostrophes in text strings that are being parsed causes issues.

stuck blade
# 
d100(Open): 69
You forage briefly and manage to find a sprig of Imaera's Lace!
Roundtime: 5 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.```
Ok so henge is the only room, great
Clicking the link works though
worthy oracle
#

is it in the mapdb for that room?

stuck blade
#

Yes, but since its inside it doesnt show up

#

I forgot about the problem room. 1 room in all of hinterwilds with several forageables that are unique to it.

worthy oracle
#

I use betazzherb myself but I do recall that herb always gives me issues b/c of the apostrophe or capitalization or both
I added a workaround for betazzherb2 to avoid that hassle!

herb = "Imaera's Lace" if herb =~ /sprig of Imaera's Lace|Imaera’s Lace|sprig of Imaera's lace|Imaera’s lace|sprig of imaera's lace|imaera’s lace|sprig of imaera's Lace|imaera’s Lace/```
stuck blade
#

So 6 bounty foragables that can only be found in 1 room

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worthy oracle
#

seems to be intended as the same problem exists across the game and this new area was designed that way as well - I know it has to do with terrain and such but there's never been any effort to fix it anywhere aside from maybe the creation of EVOKE 604.

hoary temple
#

They helped out in the Atoll (KF). The 4 grottos had one room each, but they were expanded to 2 rooms each for herbs found only in them.

worthy oracle
#

ahh I guess I'm wrong then - forgot about that - still seems quite low on their list of things to fix though

hoary temple
#

True

#

For the wyrm, would it help if only the grouped people were possibilities for wyrmreach so other soloists could still help?

sharp raptor
#

Acknowledging that I'm being a broken record here: Decreasing the wyrm spawn timer significantly and also keeping the natural spawn timer and idol summons independent of one another would make the wyrm encounter more palatable to those struggling with the wyrm. The battle can be brutal without a massively top heavy crew to carry, among those of us who regularly hunt the wyrm the XP spread is between us ranges from about 15mil to 110mil experience, and even then not every group is successful. There is not one in our community of Wyrmslayers that I haven't seen the wyrm take out at least once; even if just from fluke open rolls and bad timing. Channeling that already challenging battle into a flex schedule that requires an 8-9 hour timed wait (that shifts if ANYONE summons it) is sometimes mind-numbingly frustrating, especially for someone who is on their Xth attempt.

tribal halo
#

I feel the same way about the Sybil fight. It can be a rough fight and forcing players to farm items to run it again if they fail their 1st time is brutal.

austere wigeon
#

I have not seen or heard of players forced to farm the items... not to say it couldn't happen. I've done the sybil often enough yet spread out enough that when I have had characters who failed, either by dying too quick or the sybil dying too quick (like my empath, who also froze at the scripted death part), there's been enough others on the quest to join another group

#

On one of my non-credit Sybil runs, other players were quick to offer the materials to run it again (once might have been you, Riend). I declined then as I was a) short on time, b) frustrated at having game lockup, c) wanted time to get myself reset and max-prepped, and d) I had a few friends that I knew were running it later.
Said another way: player community has been fantastic here. Sybil runs are far easier to just "go" with 5, and there are regular Sybil Smashers already ready for go (except maybe Saturday nights when a gemstone hasn't dropped)

#

I still agree with Myharl's feedback that separating the wyrm timer from the idol summons would be ideal... but I also wonder if decreasing the open wyrm timer would do more harm than help. I see times of day where there aren't enough players ready and willing to go, and for the regular hunters, the wyrm is a heckuva surprise.

sharp raptor
#

Yeah, the difference between the prompting the wyrm battle and prompting the sybil battle is that every quest goer gets what equates to a free summon for the sybil. It means you can work the battle into your time schedule, plan your team and when to start with right out the gate. The ability to do this with the wyrm summons regularly has been entirely by effort from the community.

Additionally, the summoning items for the sybil are more abundant than those for the wyrm. I have several in my shop price at 1 silver for anyone needing them, and several folks have also been generous in helping with providing the drops for those summons (both sybil and wyrm). I've been really proud of how the Hinterwilds community has come together to help others, but the overall frustration with the timing I think is completely understandable.

I've spent years timing those wyrm spawn windows. It can often be a drag, especially when you just miss one.

charred harness
#

To me, the really painful part is that it's a 2 hour variable window....

sharp raptor
charred harness
#

Yeah, I think about all the poor souls who don't have as much flexibility. With only a few hours to play every night, hoping the window falls into their schedule.... and then some who don't normally hang in the Hinterwilds can feel held hostage there a bit while they wait.... only to miss it

sharp raptor
#

When I ponder the number of hours I've invested since 2022 on "waiting for the wyrm" it feels sort of mind-boggling. Likely thousands of hours at this point.

charred harness
#

They made a country song about you...
"Waitin on a Wyrm an"

He sat down with his claid in hand and asked me
"You waitin' on a wyrm an?"
I nodded, yeah and said, "How 'bout you"
He said, "Son since 2022 I've been waitin' on a wyrm an...."```
tribal quarry
# 
  AS: +684 vs DS: +545 with AvD: +25 + d100 roll: +39 = +203
   ... and hits for 36 points of damage!
   Rapped your knuckles hard!
   Right hand sounds broken.
   You are stunned for 3 rounds!
The ethereal necrotic film covering a bloody halfling cannibal's obsidian dagger shrivels away.```
Halfling cannibals out here maxing Ascension and enhancives for their AS.
pliant hatch
#

Good grief

heady creek
#

I think that one has gained a few levels from kills

lime knot
#

They’re the most dangerous thing for all the people that got carried to gemstone unlock so now we’re seeing on average higher cannibal power as they farm the players.

timid sundial
#

so carrying people through wyrm and sybil is really just part of a larger plan to provide sustainable food for the cannibals

timid sundial
#

does anyone have the bigshot boundary rooms for the forest? looking at the map, it seems all over the place...

lime knot
#

there's like, 4? all the entrances to the issenflow are the same room

timid sundial
#

a lot more than four, unless some of areas on the map count as a different creature spawn location 29923, 29937, 29878,29902,29901,29939,30115

#

do things ever spawn in the hoarbriar?

sharp raptor
# timid sundial do things ever spawn in the hoarbriar?

The Hoarbriar is the home of the Packmother and her pack. She spawns about every 8 hours or so in the cave there, and when she does, a pack of wargs spawns in the Hoarbriar as well. Otherwise I've seen the same spawns as the northern part of the Boreal Forest (wendigos, golems, hinterboars, cannibals, and bloodspeakers). When the warg pack spawns there's a global message about a howl from the forest (or, if you're in the Hoarbriar or Boreal Forest north of the Geistwalk, the spawn messaging mentions you hearing them running through the forest on the hunt).

#

Weird observation: You can hear the Packmother spawning from the River of Color, but you can't hear or sense the wyrm spawning from there.

zealous nimbus
sharp raptor
#

The Boreal Forest south of the Grove and Angargreft, and between Fjallarhaart and Eldurhaart is unique and acts as sort of a overlap space, sort of like the Greatchamber in Angargreft; its not too uncommon to see every creature in the Hinterwilds roaming that part of the forest having wandered in there, even disciples, mutants, undansormrs, oozes, gigas, valravns, angergiest, disir, etc.

sharp raptor
#

Seeing every creature currently spawned in the Hinterwilds that is being hit by the wyrm's dazzling presence (when it's flying above a ballista) when you are in the waters of the Issenflow is another fun/weird quirk.

opal pine
# 
The gemcutter says, "Sorry, Kaetel, I'm not buying anything this valuable today.  Maybe tomorrow."```
Oh dear, I've broken it - can't sell my gem to the gemshop 😆 

`It is estimated to be worth about 20,000 silvers.`
On an alt with no trading:
```The gemcutter takes the winternight sapphire and inspects it carefully before saying, "I'll give you 20,200 silvers for it if you want to sell."```
tribal quarry
#

Yeah, I get that with those sapphires pretty regularly. Have to shuffle them off to someone who gets less silver, which is either:

A) (preferred) my one character who's 1% less than max Trading (because I can 1205 her up to max Trading; sometimes I flip 1205 off and on just to be amused that the NPC goes from unwilling to pay to willing to pay in 3 seconds)
or
B) someone who's already hit Trading cap on others' loot for the week

agile plinth
#

Not sure where the best place to post is, looks like LFG channel is closed.. LFG to kill the wyrm. If anyone feels like grouping up and would like a wizard, give me a holler DM me pls! Tyvm

mighty epoch
zealous nimbus
#

Or asking on the wyrmwatch esp channel, it helps if you have and idol or ask around the natural spawn

timid sundial
# 
XXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  She is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXXXXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.
XXXX acknowledges your sign.  He is a member of the same rank as you.```
10 of the 20 people in the den are members of the Council. mwhahahahaa. we are everywhere! The Grand Poohbah will be pleased
lime swan
#

that spirit prism is nice when you upgrade it

sharp raptor
#

I have been hunting the Hinterwilds since the week it opened (so about five years?). I have never, not once in all those years, been instant killed by the weather. I was uninjured, and at full health, with very minimum hypothermia, and had just re-engaged the wyrm that I had been fighting when this happened...

Cold leaches the strength from your limbs, discomfort rapidly erupting into burning agony as fingers of rime spread across your skin!
   ... 16 points of damage!
   Your dead eyes gaze back blankly after the blast connects solidly... or is that an icy stare?
You feel the extra courage wane.
The layer of protection fades away.

It seems you have died, my friend.  Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...

You mentally give a sigh of relief as you remember that the Goddess Lorminstra owes you a favor.

...departing in 13 mins...```
I think something is whack with sunder defenses, I can't imagine anything else could have caused that.
*And, that's with 336 (survival) and 441 (fitness) bonuses*
hoary temple
#

Wow you got the deep freeze. Was there a storm as well? That's insane.

#

Also, when Myharl tried the whole body cryotherapy from Temu...

young cape
austere wigeon
#

I wonder if sunder defenses applies negative crit padding like minor mental Thought Lash.. and maybe negated all your other protection first. Then, with an open roll...

neon salmon
#

i'm sure this has been brought up, and shot down, but uh...
would love pre-cap hw bounties 😍
where some of us are going, we don't need levels

#

but we do need bp's 😁

hoary temple
#

Hmm? Asking for easier bounties doesn't help?

tribal quarry
#

I think he's talking about--and I didn't even know this until this past week because of Mauss--the fact that you can't get bounties from Halfwhistle unless you're level 100.

This is despite the fact that you can get, say, Moonsedge bounties from Halline before level 100. (I assume you can get Hive bounties too. It's probably Cold River that's the outlier because it's set up less conventionally, which conversely is also why the Hinterwilds were (at first and for a long time) the only Ascension hunting ground giving 10% bonuses on rewards.)

zealous nimbus
#

We gotta keep the riff raff out

pliant hatch
#

2 months too late for that

austere wigeon
#

Definitely too late.

The name Riffraff is UNAVAILABLE.
outer tide
sharp raptor
# austere wigeon I wonder if sunder defenses applies negative crit padding like minor mental Thou...

I know it affects redux, I'm thinking maybe crit padding as well. I always notice the effects, but last night was a bit unusual as I was soloing the wyrm for a good 10 minutes before anyone showed up, so I had an abundance of sunder going on. It makes me wonder if maybe there is no floor to the reduction, because it's a bit weird to get taken out by a snowflake while actively wailing the snot out of a dragon.

Tactically, it just means working some of the alchemist's slush into the wyrm hunting routine (when I don't have active warding), functionally though it seems wacky.

hoary temple
#

Is Myharl gonna turn into a white walker now?

sharp raptor
#

Ha! He kind of already looks a bit like a draugr (all the black alloy, cloaked in writhing shadows, runic-style tattoos, and surrounded by a wintry aura).

young cape
#

anyone else lagging like crazy in HW?

sharp raptor
#

Not that I've noticed.

young cape
#

it is game-stopping bad for me right now, and it's not my internet

sharp raptor
#

Maybe a routing issue to the game server? Website slow?

young cape
#

website seems fine?

sharp raptor
#

Weird. I don't think it's the game. I'm currently hunting over in Fjallarhaart with no lag.

young cape
#

hmm okay, thanks for the replies

young cape
#

Restarted router, restarted pc, nothing working. guess I'm done with GS for the day. It's not just HW, it's literally everywhere

austere wigeon
#

I'm late seeing this, but it wasn't you. I had same issue at this time, as did others I checked with. Things were fine after an hour or so.

young cape
sharp raptor
#

Yeah, I'm guessing there was probably a routing issue, one of the hops having issues and that's why some folks experienced it while other didn't just depending on location. Issues that usually get resolved pretty quick thankfully.

limber widget
sharp raptor
pliant hatch
# 
[Ojandhaart, Great Hall - 29906] (u7503307)
You notice a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, an iced ginger muffin and a frosted ginger cookie.
Obvious paths: northeast, southeast, southwest, northwest
>
With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and hurtles at you, swinging wildly with an immense fel-hafted handaxe!
  AS: +589 vs DS: +527 with AvD: +31 + d100 roll: +80 = +173
   ... and hits for 76 points of damage!
   Incredible smash destroys your stomach!
Like a faint wisp of a barely-remembered dream, your brief, enhanced comprehension of arcane mysteries slips away.```The second I walked in the room, lol. Ok I guess the game just decides "you die now" sometimes and you have actually zero recourse or strategy to counter it with. Pretty cheap stuff!
limber widget
pliant hatch
#

Great point, thanks

shy torrent
#

Yah just a hungry halfling enraged by baked goods

lime swan
#

seems like it was bait for other halflings, but it compromised

hoary temple
#

Curious...does the cannibal's ambush benefit from FoF of the other mobs in the room or do they have to engage in some way first?

neon salmon
#

do the snacks count for halfling fof?

tribal quarry
#

Those cannibals might be top 3 most dangerous things in the Hinterwilds despite being lower level than everything else.

meager veldt
#

The Order of Wyrmslayers will be conducting Wyrm hunts this Feastday (Saturday, 5/3 ) at 10AM and 11AM Elven (EST) and Restday (Sunday, 5/4) at 3PM and 4PM. We will supply the idols for these runs!

See this link for full details: #1329102396781105263 message

vague grotto
#

Valravns being stunned and immobile but still casting or attacking has to be a bug, right?

tribal quarry
#

I've always assumed no since disciples do it too.

sharp raptor
#

The Hinterwilds are weird. Undead non-undead stuff, targeted magic that ignores the absorb feat, stun/disabled sometimes means nothing, there's probably a pretty long list of "quirks" in the HW that seem just be how things work there.

hoary temple
#

it's the weird aurora borealis aka "alien cloaking"

hasty garnet
#

disciples wendigoes and undansormrs dont care about stuns, and pretty sure they dont get stopped by carns cry either (they might get the ds penalty but they keep attacking).. stagger is the one true redeemer, RT stops everyone

tribal quarry
#

While I understand it's new month culture shock that Eldurhaart has loot again and people could have easily forgotten that it can, I didn't expect so many people would already be leaving it all over the ground. 👀

marsh canyon
hoary temple
#

Could upsetting gigas in Eldurhaart stop preventing us from leaving buildings please? I'm trapped inside Altar of the Dragon. 😛

vague grotto
#

You have broken the tenuous peace and marked yourself as a target for the gigas of Eldurhaart!

whoops

chilly valve
#

On this day, May 2nd 2025, my 4x cap cleric got solo'd by a lone Gigas ShieldMaiden with a perfect combo of 3 different cmans followed by a heavy spear to the face instant death.... the SHAME 😢

#

(Usually its an open roll RT spiral in a crowd but this.... this is embarassing)

#

I hate vulnerable, it seems like 75% of time it hits the head every time...

worthy oracle
#

did you infuse spirit?

chilly valve
#

Can I do that in RT? I really didnt have a chance as the first cman was 20 seconds.

worthy oracle
#

Through the use of the INFUSE SPIRIT command all creatures present in the room will be reset so that their next attacks can be absorbed. Under normal conditions this infusion costs 1 spirit point. When the infuser is under the influence of certain status effects, eg., stunned or while in roundtime, the cost to infuse increases to 2 spirit points.

zealous nimbus
timid shuttle
#

We are intended to die

young cape
young cape
# 

You boldly accost a brawny gigas shield-maiden, your attack masking your larcenous intent!
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a perfect razern dagger at a brawny gigas shield-maiden!
  AS: +680 vs DS: +523 with AvD: +3 + d100 roll: +10 = +170
   ... and hit for 6 points of damage!
   Quick feint to the gigas shield-maiden's right foot.
   Little extra damage.

 ** Necrotic energy from your razern dagger overflows into you! **
   You feel reinvigorated!
You swing a wavy ebon dagger at a brawny gigas shield-maiden!
  AS: +667 vs DS: +482 with AvD: +0 + d100 roll: +57 = +242
   ... and hit for 38 points of damage!
   Blow shatters knee and severs lower leg!
   A brawny gigas shield-maiden falls to the ground grasping her mangled left leg!
   The gigas shield-maiden is stunned!

but then immediately after while it is stunned


[SMR result: 268 (Open d100: 77, Bonus: 106)]
Flowing with deadly grace, you smoothly reverse the direction of your blades and slash again!
The gigas shield-maiden stumbles dazedly, but manages to block the attack with her golden targe!
  AS: +667 vs DS: +610 with AvD: +0 + d100 roll: +21 = +78
   A clean miss.
  AS: +680 vs DS: +610 with AvD: +3 + d100 roll: +22 = +95
   A clean miss.
  AS: +667 vs DS: +610 with AvD: +0 + d100 roll: +77 = +134

How'd her DS do that while stunned?

heady creek
#

That looks like the Giga's deflected your attack back at you

young cape
#

no, I did a weapon flury that is my SMR

heady creek
#

Your AS and their AS were identical...so that is really weird, or coincidental

young cape
heady creek
young cape
marsh canyon
#

There are a lot of shield bugs with Disir, maybe there are some on the shield maidens too. Disir can proc shield maneuvers while they are wearing them.

cyan lynx
#

Hrm.

sharp raptor
#

Anyone happen to pick up a collapsed tent at [Fjallarhaart, Ruins - 30000]? Left mine out after my last run with the Wrymslaying event this morning. Not in the recovery system so appears the janitor did not get it.

sharp raptor
#

Tent found!

marsh canyon
# cyan lynx Hrm.

I've been meaning to bug that. Apologies. I'll bug it when I have a chance. Maybe tomorrow night.

hasty garnet
#

Was there a secret change to the swimming requirements? My empath was always able to swim the river until today

pliant hatch
#

Doesn't 112 (Water Walking) help with that? Make sure that's on

hasty garnet
#

oh right yes Im dumb.. dont worry I took the easy way out ☠️

zealous nimbus
#

you can also just fog(or sym of return) across instead of swimming

hasty garnet
#

oh I was tryna go the other way, to leave

pliant hatch
#

Yeah I exclusively use sym return in the hinterwilds even on chars that can cast 130, you can land on the wrong side of the river with 130 which is Very Dumb. Thanks to a comet that passed Elanthia in 1997, 130 is bad

hoary temple
#

is cold wind damage supposed to bypass blood shield? My hp is taking hits while the shield remains at 100

zealous nimbus
waxen falcon
#

Hey, does anyone have an estimate of how much investment in survival and first aid would make skinning in Hinterwilds be somewhat feasible? Looking for enough that I don't have to reject all skinning bounties outright.

hoary temple
#

well... which is it? heh

The elemental magic of the storm flares around you.
A heated breeze rushes towards a grizzled gigas berserker.
[SMR result: 168 (Open d100: 43, Bonus: 45)]
The heat burns a grizzled gigas berserker for 31 points of damage!
A grizzled gigas berserker is unharmed by the heat!
hoary temple
#

do they have heat resist? dunno if this is a bug or typo 😛

hasty garnet
#

the unharmed by heat seems to be the odd one

zealous nimbus
waxen falcon
young cape
mighty epoch
hoary temple
#

selling one 100% genuine artificial draconic idol - ttm

You search the crimson angargeist.
It had 807 silvers on it.
It had a large platinum nugget on it!
Interesting, it carried a cherrywood rearing dragon statuette on it.
sharp raptor
chilly valve
#

Is it weird that I got stunned here?
A grim gigas skald raises her sonorous voice into a resounding cry that crashes like mad thunder through the area!
[SMR result: 57 (Open d100: 26, Bonus: 20)]
The disruptive power of the skald's song peals over you, hurling you backward!
... 4 points of damage!
Jarring blow to your weapon arm.
... 9 points of damage!
Sprained ankle! You won't be running soon.
You are stunned for 1 round!
... 1 point of damage!
Throat strike causes you to cough.

pliant hatch
#

Grapple table gonna grapple. It's very stun-happy
Edit: Oh. Yeah that's weird the end result was 57.

chilly valve
#

The SMR was 57 though

sharp raptor
#

Some wierd FoF thing?

chilly valve
#

I knew they secretly nerfed paladins!

#

weird, none of the other skald attacks this month behaved like this one

young cape
#

so I'm primarily hunting the boreal/ojand/eldur/sanguine/geistwalk areas... basically just not the dead pits. Any suggestion for warrior fittings on my armor?

sharp raptor
# young cape so I'm primarily hunting the boreal/ojand/eldur/sanguine/geistwalk areas... basi...

There's a pretty broad range of creatures and damage types in all those areas. My preference is to bypass fittings and use armor reinforcement to help prevent wound stacking. I find it helps reduce the frequency of the need for herbs, especially if you don't have an empath handy. However, it's really going to depend on your character build and equipment. What seems to cause you the most problems when it comes to wounds?

young cape
sharp raptor
young cape
#

Yeah the wargs are usually what gets me killed or injured from their hamstring.

chilly valve
#

Fittings (I use crush) AND armor reinforcement are a big help but I still need to fully restock my herb kit at 300k per every couple days/week
I also got 10/10 CER, they just chip away at you

#

Oh and I guess the biggest weakness for warriors is the wargs can actually coup you at near 50% health, they get a huge bonus when you pinned down

young cape
#

Slash or maybe puncture fittings then? But I know hamstring bypasses armor.

My armor is 210 services, so 12 VHCP, and then I run sigil of minor protection for HDP

chilly valve
#

I have 10 dmg CER AND use sigil of protection AND have bubble flare +10 damage, they still chip away haha

young cape
#

Oh for sure, it's going to happen. I'm trying to help reduce some of the chipping with fittings is all. Any suggestion on the type?

chilly valve
#

I go crush and it gets used quickly, animal attacks are usually split between the 3 types

young cape
#

Slash fittings wouldn't help against hamstring right? Because it bypasses armor when successful?

chilly valve
#

No idea on that

young cape
#

wish the wiki was a little more updated on the HW crittersd and their spells and attacks and whatnot

true otter
#

Are there regular groups for the Sybil?

lime knot
#

Since you can summon her on demand while on the quest it’s generally pretty easy to ask around at the pipe den or on esp an get a seasoned group to do it

#

Also if you aren’t tune to wyrmwatch on esp

sharp raptor
#

Also, feel free to tune into the "wyrm channel" on ESP "ESP TUNE Wyrmwatch" and ask there. Many of those who do wyrmhunts also help out with Sybil runs.

lime knot
#

Like myharl would know about killing bosses in hinterwilds. Seems sus.

true otter
#

😄

#

I forgot ESP was a thing.

median basalt
#

Do you need to be the looter to gain gigas, or can you gain them when someone else in your group loots?

austere wigeon
#

You do not need to be the looter

tribal quarry
#

As far as I can surmise, contributing comparatively more to a kill increases your odds of being the one who gets the fragment, but the looter is irrelevant.

median basalt
#

Thank you both! I don't want to take away another's being able to loot to just to gain gigas.

sharp raptor
#

Some intersting stuff going on up in the Hinterwilds this afternoon...

It had a severed cannibal arm.
It didn't carry any silver.
Interesting, it carried a bent ring on it.
It had nothing else of value.```
craggy flame
#

looks like it picked up a severed limb that may have been removed via sorcery?

sharp raptor
#

Probably, but have seen it a few times this afternoon. Don't remember seeing them pick up limbs in the past.

craggy flame
#

The real question is that if you sever a cannibal's arm, will the other cannibals eat it? 🤔

hoary temple
#

they're rarely tangible but fun when they are - put it in a container and make people wonder where the smell is coming from

opal pine
zealous nimbus
#

Myharl really wanted those wyrm limbs i severed, if he can't have a scale he'll take the next best thing

earnest spire
#

Where is the petition to get Myharl his wyrmscale armor, Wyrmslayer Pre-name title, and custom wyrm mount?

sharp raptor
#

I'm still hopeful that the prename title will become available for us! That would be awesome.

sharp raptor
tribal quarry
# 
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a grim gigas skald.
The ground beneath a grim gigas skald suddenly frosts and rumbles violently!
Icy stalagmites burst from the ground beneath a grim gigas skald!
   ... 55 points of damage!
   Shot shatters hip and severs left leg!
Despite desperate windmilling to catch his balance, a grim gigas skald topples!   The gigas skald is stunned!
You feel a slight sting as the sprite draws upon your power to attack.
** The blue-ringed red sprite on your shoulder sends forth a cylindrical, blue-ringed red blast of magic at a grim gigas skald's back! **

   ... 75 points of damage!
   A mighty blow cleaves a swath through the gigas skald's back, taking the spine with it.
A grim gigas skald raises a hand as if to grasp for support as he collapses, life going out of his form.```
Small joys!
Literally. Small joys of a tiny sprite just wrecking a ginormous skald's entire spine.
stuck blade
#

Can "Frostling Ward" be updated to be able to stop it with STOP frostling ward please? Or allow alchemist to refresh it?

hoary temple
#

a blue-green glacial core, 8500 base value?

Richly imbued with the hues of ancient ice at a glacier's heart, the core wavers between a green so deep as to be almost black and a rich, oceanic blue.  Both tones converge within the heart of the gem, which burns with a frigid light.  Shaped like a spindle, the gem's crystalline structure fades toward silver at its extremes.

a niveous snowdrop, 9000 base value?

Tear-shaped, the snowdrop is a striking translucent white.  It is of a size that it might be mistaken for a hailstone, were it not for the startling radiance channeled by its facets.  Impurities within the gem form the faint suggestion of falling snowflakes, not one of the frosty occlusions completely alike to another.
tribal quarry
#

How does one define "base value"?

hoary temple
#

no idea - just a guess based off my appraisal. Do I need a bard?

or leave em blank heh. I'm not good with creating pages. I just do minor edits on existing pages.

worthy oracle
#

Collect 100, appraise them with no modifiers, determine an average.

hoary temple
#

not worth a fixskill heh

stuck blade
#

That's a spicy meatball

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sharp raptor
stuck blade
#

Indeed, I had to pop an 1150 at one point due to non stop warg junk

hoary temple
#

Nice pile

young cape
# 
we
[exec1]>sweep 
You crouch and sweep a leg at a niveous giant warg!
[SMR result: 143 (Open d100: 27, Penalty: 2)]
Your size considerably hinders your attack!
A niveous giant warg falls to the ground!  You deftly regain your footing.
Your attack exposes a vulnerability in a niveous giant warg's defenses!

 ** Your imflass leg greaves emit a searing bolt of lightning at the giant warg! **
   ... 60 points of damage!
   Electric shock causes a strong enough convulsion to snap the giant warg's neck.

I hate these wargs so much that this made me cackle irl

chilly valve
#

Cannibals secretly most dangerous HW critters.... They out here ambushing with THW now
With an ululating shriek, a bloody halfling cannibal leaps from the shadows and hurtles at you, swinging wildly with a huge black alloy greatsword!
AS: +572 vs DS: +496 with AvD: +42 + d100 roll: +24 = +142
... and hits for 35 points of damage!
You hear several snaps as your neck is broken in several places.
Your ethereal censer fades away, leaving only a faint lingering scent of incense.
The dull golden nimbus fades from around you.

pliant hatch
#

Cannibals are nasty

chilly valve
#

That is literally one step away from ambushing with a claid haha

#

I assume it picked up the greatsword in Fjalla then was sneaking around the forest looking for someone to test it out on.... pure evil

hoary temple
#

nice

You estimate that the wintersbite pearl is an extraordinarily rare gemstone of fine quality and worth approximately 13,300 silvers.
opal pine
#

Sing it up, get that bad boy over 20k!

lime swan
#

is it from a Hinterwilds clam

hoary temple
# lime swan is it from a Hinterwilds clam

a drunk giant glacial clam apparently

Tiny, gilded circles wildly stipple a textured pattern across the smooth curvatures of the oversized pearl like effervescent bubbles rising in freshly poured spirits.  The creamy white surface is starkly pale, but quickened by subtle blushes of petal pink, clover green, and sky blue tints.

so sober clam makes these kinda pearls

#

I want to fight one now

lime swan
#

You now have a 5% chance of being trapped by a giant glacial Hinterwilds clam while swimming across the river.

hoary temple
#

in other news... now selling water walking imbeds 10 Dust

lime swan
#

Does Water Walking get you across the river? Never tried it

That will be good for when I'm out of fragments and I'm late for the wyrm!

hoary temple
#

slow walk on a slow river - yup

tribal halo
lime swan
#

Ah, no Symbol of Return. Getting a target should be a reasonable alternative - I can just create a list of names

vale cliff
#

any update on the status of the wyrm scale alter fodder? thanks!

stuck blade
# 
A niveous giant warg lunges at you, maw slathering as it tries to take a ferocious bite!
Weeping darkness, a translucent fiery red shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
A suit of stygian rusalkoren platemail suffused with erratic caligninous whorls of azure partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
  AS: +630 vs DS: +266 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +72 = +443
   ... and hits for 94 points of damage!
   Well placed strike to back shatters vertebrae!```
#

Them wargs, them wargs.

A niveous giant warg lunges at you, maw slathering as it tries to take a ferocious bite!
A suit of stygian rusalkoren platemail suffused with erratic caligninous whorls of azure partially deflects the onslaught of the slashing attack.
  AS: +620 vs DS: +258 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +49 = +418
   ... and hits for 80 points of damage!
   Blow to head!
   Look at the pretty stars!
The subdued warmth embracing you fades along with the spiritual force surrounding your arms.```
worthy sand
#

so um. is it intentional that valravns can continue to do things while paralyzed (not just breaking stuns, but still attacking when paralyzed)? or is that a BUG report needed?

tribal halo
#

They've been cavorting with disciples apparently.

sharp raptor
#

There's a few combat quirks in the Hinterwilds that feel "buggy", but I think maybe intentional. Like spell sever, there to make combat more challenging maybe? The valravns will sometimes attack from stunned, also bypass the Absorb feat with any of their magical attacks. Disciples will ignore imposed RT from maneuvers often, and can sometimes react/attack as if their actions only incur 1-2 seconds of RT. Disir have some weird quirks with using their shields when wearing them. I think most have been bugged. Other bugs were taken care of pretty quickly, which leads me to think some of the unique combat behavior might be intentionally divergent of typical combat expectations.

heady creek
#

I wonder if they utilize certain cman functions like stun maneuver or forcert or quickstrike

sharp raptor
# heady creek I wonder if they utilize certain cman functions like stun maneuver or forcert or...

That would make sense, or maybe some unique monster-only variants. Without a lot of information to go off of, I have noticed when there has been other known issues with critters it garnered response and in some instances immediate fixes (examples: mastodons riding mastodons, oozes not ejecting characters properly, reanimation of some of the "undead" creatures, the variant wyrms, skalds in Fjallarhaart not dropping loot, and even the disir shield issue received some staff indication that maybe that's not intended. Which leads me to think a lot of these other quirks might be functioning as intended. Still worth pointing out though, especially when it deviates from the norm.

warm hill
#

Hi all, I wanted to update the Wiki page for the HW alchemist to include a brief description of what each item does. First, I wanted to check with the experts here to fill in any details. Here's what I have so far:

Distilled Disir Radiance:
Flask of Frostling Slush: Provides 15 minutes of [ Https://gswiki.play.net/Frostling_Ward], protecting against hypothermia.
Rune of Transportation: Transports you to the Abbey in Icemule Trace, speeding transportation.
Wildfire Oil: Adds temporary flares to your weapon which remove skalds' immunity.
Surestep Wax: Reduces the frequency of falls due to the ice.

sharp raptor
# warm hill Hi all, I wanted to update the Wiki page for the HW alchemist to include a brief...

I think any info added will be useful! That entire section needs to be redone from the ground up, but for what's there now, I think that would be very useful!

To/From west of the Spine = Temple of Hope; L#31064
To/From east of the Spine = Carvan Outpost; L#31074```
I believe all gigas can adapt to resist fire (it's not default, they adapt during battle often when hit with heat damage), not just the skalds. The alchemical fire bypasses the restistance rather than removing it.
warm hill
#

Thanks, Myharl! I'll add that. Oh, I need to include the costs, too.

young cape
tribal halo
#

You can't volley gigas on mastadons either, which is odd since arrows are ... yanno... ranged.

opal pine
#

You can - you just can't target them. Like if you volley the mastodon the mounted gigas will still get hit. It's a very silly problem

sharp raptor
#

The mounted combat system is a bit weird. I didn't know about either of those bugs since I only ever do straight melee attacks, maybe make sure they get bugged! That being said, I really like the concept! Are there any other critters that have engagable monster mounts who can be dismounted during battle?

#

I just really like when a mounted gigas charges at Myharl, only to get knocked flat to the ground when he cuts the legs out from under the mastodon. 😄 ⚔️

hasty garnet
#

yeah, if you WEAPON AOE, if your target is the mounted thing, it wont work **and **wont attack anything else, but if your target is not the mounted thing, it will AOE (and just give you the error for the specific mounted critter, but still attack everything else)

young cape
#

Yeah I don't dislike the mounted combat or anything it can just be a little wonky

chilly valve
#

The alchemist is GONE!☠️

sharp raptor
#

Should be back within the hour. They respawn on their own. 😄

heady creek
#

#game-chatter message
NPCs should be back in an hour or so

chilly valve
#

200 jewelries from HW, only 9 were enhancive, 8 were pure trash 1 bonus/1-2 rank garbage, one 7 stamina recovery pinworn with 5 trading RANKs..... meanwhile my lvl 40 empath finding multiple vibrant keys this week. scream_goat

hoary temple
#

What's this?

The ground begins to shake violently, making it hard to stand.
A withered shadow-cloaked draugr bounces along the dirt as the tremors shake.
A withered shadow-cloaked draugr appears weak and feeble, his movements sluggish.
A withered shadow-cloaked draugr bounces along the dirt as the tremors shake.
A withered shadow-cloaked draugr appears weak and feeble, her movements sluggish.
The ground stops shaking as quickly as it started.
tribal quarry
#

909 Tremors.

hoary temple
#

player or creature cast?

tribal quarry
#

Either way. Hinterwilds things do use it.

sharp raptor
#

Undansormrs cause it with their tails:
A colossal boreal undansormr raises its great tail and slams it down onto the ground, sending tremors rippling through the ground.

young cape
#

Mastodon also cause tremors.

hoary temple
#

never noticed - i must be slackin

stuck blade
#

Probably not the smartest idea to run through HW with empty hands.

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sharp raptor
# 

You search the warg packmother.
She didn't carry any silver.
She had nothing of interest.
A snowy warg packmother's immense form decays away into a mound of fur, tooth, and claw.
[You have been awarded 14 Long Term Experience!]

*** A prismatic display of color arcs across the sky over the Hinterwilds, heralding the discovery of a legendary treasure! ***

You pick up an alabaster warg pelt.```

So close! 🤣
warm hill
#

Oof, that's like winning the lottery and then realizing your ticket was upside-down.

pliant hatch
tribal quarry
#

To be honest, a ton of reported legendary finds make me glad I didn't find them since I'd have been really disappointed.

sharp raptor
#

I just hope it was someone paying attention, and not one of the AFK gemstone script hunters. I like to think someone got to experience the excitement.

charred harness
stuck blade
#

I have made my peace with never ever finding another legendary

charred harness
#

i'd settle for a legendary gemstone 😬

zealous nimbus
tribal quarry
#

Was it a good one?

zealous nimbus
#

Not really, unless you have dreams of being a lizard of sorts

tribal quarry
#

...some kind of legendary bloodrune?

stuck blade
#

Dont tell me it was the glamour that makes you look like a triton

# 

  Replaces your entire appearance with "Daenamaryllis's spherical eyes observe the area before her, her red irises staring out from beneath a prominent bony brow engulfed in matted iridescent scaling.  Graduated ridges of mottled brown and yellow spike upwards from her forehead, traversing the length of her curved upper body, the sharp protrusions tightly framing the sides of her skull as they drip rivulets of saltwater.  Daenamaryllis's shell-draped body hunches forward, her damp, leathery green skin clinging to her heavily muscled form, barely concealed by the simple swathes of cloth loosely draped across her chest.  She occasionally unhinges her jaw, revealing a maw of jagged, yellowed teeth, snapping her mouth shut in anticipation."

  The dextral conch shell can be hidden or revealed when covered.

You get the distinct impression that the dextral conch shell itself may freely be altered by almost any merchant, but not the illusions that it creates.```
This was a legendary in plat
zealous nimbus
stuck blade
#

Wow that sucks. That was an auction item in 4/2023. Then it went out as a legendary a year later or so in both instances. Now it goes out again?

I bought it at auction in plat and then found it as a legendary.

zealous nimbus
#

definitely a little lazy

charred harness
#

Some real Davy Jones vibes on that

#

it is odd that they cycle them as carbon copies and dont at least tweak them a little bit from drop to drop.

zealous nimbus
tribal halo
#

Reminds me of my win from the first GM auction I went to back in like 2002. I wasted my token on a fishbowl... it had 3 verbs. Someone else got a Coraesine weapon.

hasty garnet
#

I imagine its like all my stones -- as long as I dont look, its the greatest treasure known to elanthia

zealous nimbus
hasty garnet
#

Piecering Gaze was actually xrays this whole time

tribal quarry
hasty garnet
#

oh I think you're in the 1% already

neon salmon
#

collect 10 without looking at them
then look at them all at once

tribal quarry
#

I mean, probably, but I'm talking about the caliber of legendary feeder drop I'll find. 😄

hasty garnet
#

you know what, lol Im gonna do this

neon salmon
#

can we get those in the simu store yet? would certainly speed this process up a bit

tribal quarry
#

Give it four years.

outer tide
#

In that auction Nilbo won "shoes that make you look good dancing" altered shoes

frosty junco
#

I had something interesting happen in Angargreft earlier. I peered into a room with a single mutant, and then maybe 1 second later I walked in and the mutant was gone. I immediately walked through that room into a few of the subsequent rooms, and there was no mutant.

No one was hunting there and it could not have died.

The mutant was at the top of the rubble pile, which is the entrance to the Hanging Gardens (room 30037 in Lich).

I guess it’s possible that this is the boundary between zones and it despawned in the 1 second between me peering into the room and me walking there?

But it seemed so odd that I thought perhaps it wandered into a hidden room or something. I searched a bit and didn’t see anything.

Just a heads up in case folks think there might be something hidden there and want to check it out. I’m not great at puzzles.

sharp raptor
frosty junco
#

I’ve been playing a long time and have never seen anything quite like this before.

Just raised some suspicion that perhaps there is a hidden room it walked into.

I’m already suspicious of hidden HW rooms due to the “single room” foraging issue we have griped about and which has been ignored 🙂

sharp raptor
neon salmon
#

could be; rangers can sometimes find hidden rooms with track

young cape
#

Something causes a slow in HW and it shows no spell buff/debuff but last for a long time. What is it?

frosty junco
#

Well if anyone wants to search perhaps it’s a good place to look. I tried some verbs and failed, so not sure what else I can do, heh

opal pine
outer tide
lime knot
#

golems

young cape
vestal niche
#

this is new... was hunting with a friend and got "confused" by a shield maiden

A brawny gigas shield-maiden raises her golden targe and attempts to push you away!
[SMR result: 102 (Open d100: 80, Penalty: 3)]
Your size significantly hinders your defense!
The gigas shield-maiden's push connects!
You flail backwards, knocked temporarily off-balance!
You are confused!
Roundtime: 6 sec.

Then proceeded to light her up like a christmas tree...

Spreading your fingers wide, you hold your hands over the ground and draw forth the cold certainty of death.  Shadows rise to your bidding, interlacing with your power as you cast Dark Catalyst.
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at a brawny gigas shield-maiden.
In your confusion, you turn your attention to Starmizt instead!
  CS: +553 - TD: +422 + CvA: -18 + d100: +53 - -5 + Bonus: +2 == +173
  Warding failed!
Starmizt is suddenly engulfed in brilliant white fire!
 ... and hits for 23 points of damage!
Starmizt's curled ivy anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of your burning damage!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Nasty burns to right arm.  Gonna need lots of butter.
   She is stunned!
Starmizt's curled ivy anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of your freezing damage!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   The icy blast tears into Starmizt's stomach!
Starmizt's curled ivy anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of your electrical damage!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Visible wisps of electricity shoot up left arm.  Youch!
   ... 35 points of damage!
   Massive blow removes Starmizt's right forearm at the elbow!
You feel 8 mana surge into you!

 ** Darkness gathers around Starmizt, speared through by pinpoints of white fire! **
Starmizt's curled ivy anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of your burning damage!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Minor burns to abdomen.  Looks painful.
[SMR result: 22 (Open d100: -60, Bonus: 53)]
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```
neon salmon
#

Confused status applied:

33% chance to not attack
33% chance to attack allies
34% chance to attack normally (players, etc.)

hoary temple
#

woopsie

vestal niche
#

Didn't even know they could confuse... Need to make the debuff, if there is one, red or something

warm hill
stuck blade
#

Where the heck are all the provoke monks?
Need a few out here

young cape
# 
With a quick lunge, a niveous giant warg tries to hamstring you with its !
[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 85, Penalty: 13)]
With a vicious strike a niveous giant warg slashes at your right leg!
Light, bruising slash to your left thigh.
Blood sprays from your right leg in a crimson arc!
   ... 1 point of damage!

I thought 101 was the breakpoint?

opal pine
#

It might be one of those secret d1000 that they truncate as a d100

young cape
#

boooo

sharp raptor
#

Well.... that's a first, I think.

   ... 5 points of damage!
   Brushing blow to temple.```
vestal niche
#

pigs flying... clear sign that savants are releasing RSN

austere wigeon
#

Heh. Was that the gigas throw maneuver? Not sure how that hit a hinterboar... I don't think a player's Duck & Weave affects maneuvers, but not sure on that.

#

There used to a be a two handed weapon cman for that, right?, that would knock a creature out of the room? Dropped in migration to PSM3?

sharp raptor
austere wigeon
#

I know the berserkers have a rare (to me) maneuver to grab you by your hair and throw you out of the room. I also BUG'ged that one a few weeks ago, as it succeeded on an SMR roll under 100. The old maneuver was fun and entertaining, but Naijin either axed it... or turned it into staggering blow that kept it in the same room.
@shadow dagger , do I remember that two handed maneuver right (or even close?)

stuck blade
#

If a sorc animated a gigas or another hinterboar the npc could knock a target into another room like that

cyan lynx
opal pine
#

Satisfying lesson to a disir on how to spear:

Your talon-bladed spear lashes forth to its fullest extent, separating smoothly into long, kelyn-linked segments!
  AS: +878 vs DS: +493 with AvD: +19 + d100 roll: +100 = +504
   ... and hit for 100 points of damage!
   Amazing shot through the winged disir's nose enters the brain!
Deafening silence crashes down over you.  A flash of blinding white light erupts from the disir, leaving her afterimage seared into your eyes.```
stuck blade
#

I remember when I had 800+ AS. Good times

opal pine
#

Warrior hax

tribal halo
#

Can we possibly revisit the discussion of adding another node to HW again? Even just another room in the Pipe Den?

If tables are a big no-no (still don't get why but 🤷‍♀️ ), is this a potential alternative? Because even during lighter hours, the amount of spam in the Pipe Den makes it fairly difficult to carry on a conversation at all, much less any mind of RP.

pliant hatch
# 
An animated bloody halfling cannibal falls into a lopsided crouch.  The muscles of her hindquarters tense as she springs toward a bloody halfling cannibal, sharpened teeth gnashing.  An animated bloody halfling cannibal takes a vicious bite out of !
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Minor puncture to the left arm.```It did the thing!
sharp raptor
#

Just a bite for breakfast! 🤣

outer tide
tribal halo
stuck blade
# 
[SMR result: 144 (Open d100: 42, Bonus: 20)]
A tattooed gigas berserker is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 89 (Open d100: -22, Bonus: 20)]
A grim gigas skald staggers beneath the onslaught of power but holds firm.
[SMR result: 154 (Open d100: 47, Bonus: 20)]
A brawny gigas shield-maiden is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 196 (Open d100: 95)]
A brawny gigas shield-maiden is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 175 (Open d100: 88)]
A tattooed gigas berserker is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 157 (Open d100: 80)]
A heavily armored battle mastodon is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 204 (Open d100: 122)]
A niveous giant warg is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 199 (Open d100: 89, Bonus: 20)]
A niveous giant warg is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 120 (Open d100: 22, Bonus: 9)]
A grim gigas skald is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 245 (Open d100: 51, Bonus: 100)]
A tattooed gigas berserker is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 165 (Open d100: 57, Bonus: 20)]
A heavily armored battle mastodon is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 158 (Open d100: 80)]
A niveous giant warg is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 125 (Open d100: 37)]
A heavily armored battle mastodon is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
[SMR result: 104 (Open d100: 17, Bonus: 20)]
A tattooed gigas berserker is overwhelmed by the rippling shockwave and collapses in a swirl of dusty flakes!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```
Sometimes you just gotta bail.  Get in that warg+mastadon RT lock
chilly valve
#

would it be too selfish to ask if my paladin can put wildfire juice on his shield? (right now it is restricted to weapons only)

warm hill
#

I’d like to not spam people in Pipe Den, but there’s no alternative place to go. I'll sometimes stand in town center, but I think it doesn't protect against hypothermia, or remove it? People are kind of forced to spam each other. (I also find the idea of a pipe den kinda gross, but that's not relevant to the question here!). It would be great to have a place to go where I don't have to spam others -- it bothers me to do it.

I love HW overall, though, so many cool ideas. Even the map is really neat!

chilly valve
#

Go buy premium and enjoy a lovely rest in FWI.

earnest spire
#

Tables should be super nodes and bots should be at tables and HW should have tables.

neon salmon
opal pine
#

Delete xp nodes. They don't work for their intended purpose.

earnest spire
#

I get why they made gathering spots super nodes. To encourage RP. But now that Gemstone has turned into automation simulator, they've become the worst places to attempt RP

chilly valve
#

Mandatory RP in supernodes, if you do not respond to another player's roleplay within 30 seconds then they are free to send you to death's embrace

#

Or..... > ask constable to arrest zhagen for RP evasion

earnest spire
#

Alongside Mentors, players may now apply for positions as Roleplay Inquisitors.

hasty garnet
#

how many players does it take to veto override a gm? asking for a friend

chilly valve
#

Whale/2+basicsub/1,000 >= 1

lime knot
timid hornet
#

I started to rest in the town center off the super node because the screen scroll make me go crazy

chilly valve
#

Does anything in HW root you? I know Moonsedge seemed to have a couple things that root.

pliant hatch
#

Not that I can think of. Moonsedge and the Hive both do

tribal halo
#

So uh... yeah... Auchand, can we please reassess the situation? If not tables, more rooms with nodes?

chilly valve
#

Best he can do is 1 single mega table that is outside on a patio

frosty junco
#

They could renovate the tavern, turn it into a library, and put on permanent silence

hasty garnet
stuck blade
#

Arent all major sanctuaries a node?

worthy oracle
#

terminology issues here probably but major sancts are never a node, actually!

#

natural sancts are often nodes as well but not always

neon salmon
#

they're considered "on-node" for xp purposes, but aren't nodes
which i never noticed for years because i often meditate immediately after casting one, which makes up for the mana return loss

worthy oracle
#

yeah major, minor, and natural sancts all count as on-node for exp gain, even if they aren't actually nodes

austere wigeon
#

Huh. Really?

#

I can be ok with loss of mana, as my rests are long enough to regen mana pool anyway.
Can a wizard or sorc cast 418 in a major sanctuary?

worthy oracle
#

nope
can cast minor sanct and 418 in the same room though, if it's not a node already of course

worthy sand
tribal halo
#

It’s almost like it’s doing the exact opposite of what nodes were meant to do.

worthy oracle
#

I don't mind all the MA groups but it seems like a lot of the spam at the Den is from them...would be nice if they'd adjust their scripts to do the spammy stuff elsewhere. I know my "MA group" is only 2 people but any time I do anything spammy I try to leave the Den first so as not to contribute to the scroll.

opal pine
#

That is why I invested in my tent. So I wouldn’t be subject to the spam, nor contribute to it. But it was a non-trivial cost, would be great to have accessible options

worthy oracle
#

most things you can just do really quickly in a random room - I wouldn't ask anyone to rest somewhere else - but they could script it to leave the room before the spammier stuff

sharp raptor
#

I'm really just guessing here, but I think what might be a big factor could be that most MA groups don't have all Premium accounts? So, those groups don't have access to just port over to FWI and get a table or whatever and it costs shards to teleport to get to another node, so they hit the one available. The argument for keeping it that way seems weird when any premium member can just pop over to Mist Harbor to get away from it... which seems counter to the idea of having folks gather IC at Rawknuckle's.

#

May not be the case, but as a single-character player, it makes sense to me that barrier to get to a different node might be having some impact on the noise in the Pipe Den. Nodes aren't that important to me personally, so I just tend to light in other areas of Cold River, but I know that's not the case for everyone.

pliant hatch
#

We just need tables in cold River. Forcing people to park in one room doesn’t make them RP it makes the room spammy while people alt tab to discord or work between hunts. It’s a pointless battle.

lime knot
#

No prem access and popular hunting scripts don’t necessarily support resting in one town and getting bounties in another. And manually come back to the computer and do bounties? Oh god ew. What am I a human?

marsh canyon
#

Honestly, I don't have any problems in the den, unless someone is purifying gems. That stuff is super spammy and annoying. Pick a dark corner and purify there please? Most other stuff is fine. I'd say picking but no one I've seen picks in there.

worthy oracle
#

it's not really a problem - just seems like bad manners to run a 5-10 man MA group and do spammy stuff in the only supernode

tribal quarry
#

They're taking the logical course of action based on mechanical incentive, though. That's the thing.

worthy oracle
#

agreed except that it's not hard to do your spammy actions away from the supernode - some is obviously unavoidable but there's plenty of spam done by 10 person groups that is avoidable with a tiny bit of effort to adjust the scripts

sharp raptor
#

Auchand, any chance we can get a bump on Bittergale uses per visit? There's several MA crews running through preventing others for taking advantage with pretty regular frequency now.

tribal quarry
#

Huh, boggles my mind that they even bother unless they have neither an empath nor a ranger.

Edit: Oh, wait, no it doesn't. That would be easily explained by script moving around the hunting ground instead of purposely pausing in indoor areas even briefly.

hoary temple
#

this was fun - more please 😛

  You also see a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a tattooed gigas berserker, a tattooed gigas berserker, a grim gigas skald, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, a grim gigas skald, a tattooed gigas berserker, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr and a tattooed gigas berserker.
sharp raptor
#

Heh, need the new month to start! My HW boxes are almost empty. Just had one with less than 500 silver and a 50 silver gem. I don't typically loot hunt, so lootcap is a relatively new experience for me since the release of gemstones; which keep me hunting a lot more than I normally would be.

hoary temple
#

lol is this just a bug with bazzelwyn gloves or is the cloud of acidic mist always two things?

Holding your fingers stiffly together, you extend a hand with your palm facing a colossal boreal undansormr.
  1d100: 62 + Modifiers: 361 == 423

A gust of wind tugs at your sleeves.  Suddenly, a fierce wind rips through the area, scattering everything in its path and making it difficult to remain standing.
[SMR result: 175 (Open d100: 71, Bonus: 55)]
The wind buffets a colossal boreal undansormr!
You withdraw, disengaging from a colossal boreal undansormr.
The wind disperses the mist!
The wind scatters the cloud.
The wind then subsides.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
sharp raptor
hoary temple
#

so strange they're two-in-one but we can only target "mist" and not "cloud"

sharp raptor
#

I'm just glad it works. Those acid clouds get nasty quick! 😄

hoary temple
austere wigeon
#

Do the mist clouds need to be targeted with a wand or Bazzelwyn gloves, or will a generic 'wave' work, like an open call windd?

#

And... am I correct in that imbeds of 912 use a mana cost of 12? Imbed was not updated for the updated mana costs of the spell disabler changes?

hoary temple
chilly valve
#

A tattooed gigas berserker dips her shoulder and rushes towards you!
[SMR result: 417 (Open d100: 376, Penalty: 3)]
Your size significantly hinders your defense!
With a reflexive sidestep, you elude the attack!
The gigas berserker slams into you, and you are sent careening headlong into a nearby group of combatants as you fall to the ground!
... 9 points of damage!
Strong blow breaks your neck!
I had 95% of my health still!

austere wigeon
#

Is your luck charm charged?
If you don't have one... well, there you go.
(Wow at that open roll, though)

hoary temple
hoary temple
chilly valve
#

Wait, is that CA sidestep messaging, is that a bug?

heady creek
#

Yeah but it only changes stance, doesn't auto dodge like evasion.
Defending against SMR attacks has a (Rank * 4)% chance to treat the attack as if you were in a 20% higher stance. This bonus is capped at defensive stance (100%).

austere wigeon
#

Sidestep is a CA skill... and whatever the source of that message, it doesn't match your crit death. That's a different messaging than I recall for the stance adjustment of sidestep
I wonder if that's the Evasion buff... but it said it eluded the attack, then didn't

chilly valve
#

I want a refund, all that money give to the rogues and for what.... cant even dodge a 400 open roll

heady creek
#

I mean, that is like ALL the bad luck, all at once

chilly valve
#

If that is an AOE bullrush then it should have evaded it. so it might be a bug

heady creek
#

R5 impact critical with only 9 damage

austere wigeon
#

Ok, the wiki is messed up for the Rank 1 benefit of Sidestep... but you should have eluded that attack completely.
Ignore that Rank 1 says it increases phantom dodging ranks. Look at FEAT HELP SIDESTEP instead. Bullrush and shield trample are both listed as abilities to be avoided.

chilly valve
#

yeah, someone janked the sidestep wiki haha

austere wigeon
#

Fixing that now.

#

Wiki is fixed, but Gigas owe you a deed. Or DeLuca does. That is the messaging example for outright evading an AoE attack, so it triggered and then failed.
Example messaging from Wiki:

Dude traces a simple rune while intoning a short, mystical phrase...
Dude gestures.
A wave of dark ethereal ripples moves outward from Dude.
With a reflexive sidestep, you elude the attack!```
heady creek
#

Rogue only Rank 1 sidestep is an activatable command which grants you evasiveness

tribal halo
#

So about that new node resting spot, eh Auchand?

tribal halo
#

Gonna go out on a limb here, but I’m pretty sure 'one node to foster rp' wasn’t meant to mean 'squelch half the room just to see what's going on.'

tribal quarry
# 
You estimate that the total value of your valravn plumes is approximately 2300 silvers.```
It burns, the loot cap, oh, it burns.
#

On the bright side, maybe I can reconsider the idea that I must max First Aid and Survival on every character... 🤔

young cape
#

how does a dead cannibal hide and then I have to search for its body?

opal pine
#

He hid after death? Or died while hiding?

young cape
# opal pine He hid after death? Or died while hiding? 
You boldly accost a bloody halfling cannibal, your attack masking your larcenous intent!
You leap from hiding to attack!
As you move to attack a bloody halfling cannibal, the cannibal shrinks away from you, baring sharpened teeth as he darts into the shadows!
You swing a wavy ebon dagger at a bloody halfling  cannibal!
  AS: +669 vs DS: +388 with AvD: +9 + d100 roll: +61 = +351
   ... and hit for 65 points of damage!
   Shot to back shatters bone and vertebrae!
[You have 6 kills remaining.]
A burning rage awakens within you, setting your synapses ablaze and igniting your combat prowess!
A monstrous, too-wide smile spreads across the  cannibal's face as he collapses to the ground, dead.
[SMR result: 168 (Open d100: 49, Bonus: 40)]
Taking advantage of the scuffle, you roughly pat the halfling  cannibal down for hidden valuables!
You rifle his pockets and discover 557 silvers!
Your hasty search scatters the halfling  cannibal's riches to the ground!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
>sea
You discover the hiding place of a bloody halfling cannibal!
You discover the hiding place of a bloody halfling cannibal!
Roundtime: 1 sec.
...wait 1 seconds.
[isigils]>sigil of minor bane
...wait 1 seconds.
A bloody halfling cannibal creeps in, baring his sharpened teeth.
[isigils]>sigil of minor bane
>stance for
--- Lich: eloot active.
>;eloot
As you concentrate on your sigil, you become slightly more aware of your foes and the weakest spots in their defenses.
You are now in a forward stance.
[eloot]>loot #270548735
You feel more refreshed.
You search the halfling cannibal.
You discard the cannibal's useless equipment.
He had 154 silvers on him.
He had nothing else of value.
A bloody halfling cannibal's body rots away, leaving only a small stain on the ground.

looks like he did his evasive/hide thing on the first swing, second swing got him, and then his lifeless body hides.

#

It has happened a lot, I'll try to see if it ever happens on the first swing.

lime knot
#

I think the bug is your 2nd swing / mug happen to begin with and kill it, not that it was hidden when they did.

young cape
worthy oracle
#

I had one yesterday where I cleared the room and ran ;eloot and searched everything...some more stuff came in...cleared it, eloot again...and then after all that suddenly I get the message of the cannibal corpse decaying and assumed somehow it was stuck in hiding.

young cape
# 

You leap from hiding to attack!
As you move to attack a bloody halfling cannibal, the cannibal shrinks away from you, baring sharpened teeth as he darts into the shadows!
You take aim and swing a wavy ebon dagger at a bloody halfling  cannibal!

 ** Your ebon dagger glows brightly for a moment, consuming the magical energies around the halfling  cannibal! **
 [SMR result: 5 (Open d100: -89, Bonus: 15)]
   A bloody halfling  cannibal is unaffected.

  AS: +669 vs DS: +373 with AvD: +9 + d100 roll: +5 = +310
   ... and hit for 56 points of damage!
   Strike through eye, the halfling  cannibal is lobotomized!
A burning rage awakens within you, setting your synapses ablaze and igniting your combat prowess!
A monstrous, too-wide smile spreads across the  cannibal's face as he collapses to the ground, dead.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
R>
[stancedance]>cman duckandweave
You relax from the Whirling Dervish Stance.
You balance your posture and narrow your eyes, preparing to misdirect your foes' attacks.
R>sea
You discover the hiding place of a bloody halfling cannibal!

Yeah looks like the cannibal doesn't fully hide until after the completion of the round

#

I've also had the same occur and they aren't dead, only stunned. I'll try to watch if it is only offhand attack or not. Or how it jives with dispel flares and being stunned.

# 

You leap from hiding to attack!
As you move to attack a bloody halfling cannibal, the cannibal shrinks away from you, baring sharpened teeth as he darts into the shadows!
You take aim and swing a wavy ebon dagger at a bloody halfling  cannibal!

 ** Your ebon dagger glows brightly for a moment, consuming the magical energies around the halfling  cannibal! **
 [SMR result: 124 (Open d100: 42, Bonus: 15)]
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Tendons in the halfling  cannibal's shield arm snap.

  AS: +669 vs DS: +388 with AvD: +9 + d100 roll: +56 = +346
   ... and hit for 50 points of damage!
   Shot shatters shoulder and severs left arm!
   The halfling  cannibal is stunned!

 ** Afflicted by your ebon dagger, a bloody halfling  cannibal reels as the indigo-tinted poison does its work! **
Bilious poison seeps into the halfling  cannibal's flesh, sending him into paroxysms of agony!
A bloody halfling  cannibal wavers with infirmity and pales slightly.
   ... 66 points of damage!

pre resolution stunned him but his defensive trigger message went first, so he was hidden while stunned and poisoned

worthy oracle
# 
A mottled grey warg pelt stretches across the plank floor before an uneven brick fireplace on the eastern wall.  Several frayed chairs form a loose semicircle around the hearth like decrepit kings holding court.  Decades of pipe smoke has seeped into the surroundings, leaving the air stale with its burnt herbal tang, but a fresher floral scent rises from a small hoarbeam herb box to sweeten the air.  You also see a buoyant alpine spirit that is flying around, a swirled steel bowl full of sticks, a wicker wastebin, a stocky dusky sloth, a red forest fox, a swift fox, a ruffled long-winged falcon and a pure white peregrine that is flying around.
Also here: Lord Trevic (Sor)
Obvious exits: west```
after the world ends it's just the animals here lol
pliant hatch
#

And none of the necessary npcs because they can’t be on the same system as all other npcs, for some reason

tribal halo
#

They're all sitting on the hidden node where all the foragables that only spawn in the henge are.

hoary temple
#

disciples can create anomalies despite 703 on em sus

sharp raptor
#

Disciples don't seem to follow a lot of expectations of combat. They just sort of do their own thing and be annoying. Often setup/manuver RT is meaningless, stuns are meaningless. As a KS warrior I literally can't avoid their disruption casts (even in defensive, with boosts), which they often do 0.01 seconds after walking into a room. And their default DS is high enough, that even at 720+ AS, every swing from an mstrike often misses.

tribal quarry
#

On one hand, they are the second highest level thing in the Hinterwilds, so I'd be kind of okay with them breaking every rule...

...except that disir are the actual highest level thing in the Hinterwilds and they don't break many if any rules, so eh...

#

The Sanguine Grove and outdoor Angargreft aren't worth hunting at this point IMO. Maybe back when undansormr scales were worth 5k, but now they're more like 1k and undansorms don't have boxes.

Oozes take up tons of time with nothing to show for all your oozelings kills. Disciples are too brutal. Mutants are fine, but they're surrounded by other things just not worth hunting.

sharp raptor
opal pine
#

They use shield maneuvers when not holding shields

tribal quarry
#

That's true, disir shield maneuvers are a little funky. Not as wildly frustrating as disciples' many zany aspects, though!

hoary temple
static slate
#

Actually taking the time to fully check out the hinterwilds, I gotta say it's pretty awesome how many abilities and things the creatures have, and I'm only finishing up with the forrest

sharp raptor
#

Aside from the occasional annoyance, it's by far my favorite area in the game.

marsh canyon
ashen tapir
worthy oracle
#

Oozes have boxes but never seen a undansormr drop anything.

marsh canyon
#

Someone running a crew of about half a dozen needs to work on their script. It's pretty annoying when someone walks in and starts picking up your loot. They're relatively new to HW so I'll cut them a little slack, but please fix your script so that you only loot your own kills.

pliant hatch
#

Many such cases!

stuck blade
#

Its so easy now too with

if Lich::Claim.mine?
or if !Lich::Claim.mine?

pliant hatch
#

Can just use Claim.mine? in current lich.

--- Lich: exec1 active.
[exec1: false]
--- Lich: exec1 has exited.
>l
[Ghorsa Isle, Tower - 1844] (u3001001)
You notice a vexed lavaflow spirit (flying), a wooden charity bin, a marble ledge with some stuff on it and some marble stairs.
Also here: A dwarf and a halfling
Obvious paths: none
>go stai
[Ghorsa Isle, Plaza Southwest - 1843] (u3001002)
You notice a large mithril gong.
Obvious paths: north, northeast, east
Your lavaflow spirit followed.
>;e echo Claim.mine?
--- Lich: exec1 active.
[exec1: true]
--- Lich: exec1 has exited.```
marsh canyon
#

It's especially annoying when you're talking to the leader of the pack, and you're killing what comes into the room, and one of his automated drones is searching your kills and pocketing your loot.

pliant hatch
#

The onus shouldn’t be on you to fix the problem but FLAG GROUPLOOT will stop them searching stuff you killed. Won’t stop them picking up loot already on the ground

abstract umbra
#

almost got me! 😂 Towermen shifts his focus to you... Towermen swings a wing-figured double-bit axe at you! Your head rings like a struck bell as icy snowflakes explode across your field of vision. You find yourself moved several feet from your original position! Your preparation to resist crushing damage helps to lessen the effects as you are struck! AS: +631 vs DS: +535 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +13 = +150 ... and hits for 1 point of damage! Hit glances off your hip.

ashen tapir
#

@tribal quarry I just started looking at this years logs and I don't see boxes from Undansorns...but I SWEAR they used to drop them! Is this another skald type issue where the treasure went to 0?

timid shuttle
#

There was a recent bug fix on those guys, but I don't recall if it was boxes, I think it was loot in general

sharp raptor
#

I could pull older logs from backup, but I think probably they just don't have loot. Maybe some loot got mixed in from adjacent kills that made it seem like they were dropping boxes?

stuck blade
#

Streaming the update to my playerwindow.lic script in General.

It's a new spam filter designed for busy nodes. If you're hanging out in the pipe den in HW you can compare in real time.

tribal halo
stuck blade
tribal halo
stuck blade
#

Immediately get mobbed by 21 critters in Eldurhaart this morning. Had to pop an 1150 =/

pliant hatch
#

People have been running big squads and using provoke in all the ascension zones. It is not excellent!

stuck blade
#

If I live and kill em all its excellent, if I die it sucks. =p

#

I got lucky the wargs and mastadons didn't howl/trumpet. Force on force wrecks me with that many because I only have 40 MOC

stuck blade
# 
A niveous giant warg lunges at you, maw slathering as it tries to take a ferocious bite!
A volatile ruby red latticework springs up from the surface of your rusalkoren platemail and shields you from some of the damage!
A suit of stygian rusalkoren platemail suffused with erratic caligninous whorls of azure partially deflects the onslaught of the crushing attack.
  AS: +649 vs DS: +312 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +96 = +440
   ... and hits for 74 points of damage!
   Neck broken.
  You twitch several times before dying.```

Them wargs
abstract umbra
#

Does provoke actually do anything with that many players running around?

hoary temple
pliant hatch
#

That’s what full plate with no redux looks like

abstract umbra
#

what kind of hand axe do the Shield-Maidens use? Ive got one thrusting at me with it

hoary temple
#

reverse grip kind?

abstract umbra
# hoary temple reverse grip kind?

😂 In a display of martial precision, a brawny gigas shield-maiden thrusts with an immense fel-hafted handaxe at you! Your preparation to resist crushing damage helps to lessen the effects as you are struck! AS: +586 vs DS: +236 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +95 = +486 ... and hits for 32 points of damage! Smash to the kneecap.

hoary temple
opal pine
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You also see a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr, a roiling crimson angargeist, a roiling crimson angargeist, a roiling crimson angargeist, an eyeless black valravn that is flying around and a feras mattock.

abstract umbra
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Man, I’d have died, but I’d totally mstrike jab that crowd with flurry stance going. ALL the scroll.

hoary temple
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yup scroll buffet... personally I'd geospite, 720, 710, 3x cloud wand, flaming aura, raise my shock weapon then finish em off

abstract umbra
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nice, I'd have maybe started with Vertigo if I had stolen power. I wish 125 was an AOE spell

zealous nimbus
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You don't get to choose your spell for stolen power, it's a random spell

abstract umbra
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it doesnt work with ANY offensive spell?

tribal quarry
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Stolen Power only works with single-target spells. (Serendipitous Hex too.)

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Why that's the case... well, because that's how other flares work too.

But why that's the case, I have no idea. Imagine if flares didn't work with AoE weapon techniques or mstrikes. Sounds crazy, but spells are different for some reason.

abstract umbra
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that does make me sad. now I have no idea what to work toward with gemstones

tribal quarry
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Mirror Image!

stuck blade
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You just need to look at the gemstones property page and read through them. As a brawling monk there's some very obvious ones.

opal pine
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I'm curious if the -EBP from Reckless Precision translates to +MM

young cape
# 
With a quick lunge, a niveous giant warg tries to hamstring you with its !
[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 85, Penalty: 13)]
With a vicious strike a niveous giant warg slashes at your right leg!
Light, bruising slash to your left thigh.
Blood sprays from your right leg in a crimson arc!
   ... 1 point of damage!

I sent in a bug, this keeps happening.

pliant hatch
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Bugged messaging and sucess on a 100. Hate to see it

viral aspen
young cape
viral aspen
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Will do then!

manic onyx
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Which monsters in Hinterlands are best for a CS Cleric to hunt? I am just feeling my way around here and do not enjoy the halfling rogues popping crits on me every hunt. heh

zealous nimbus
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The pits/greatchamber are pretty easy for clerics but really anything in HW outside of the grove is pretty easily hittable by a CS cleric

lime knot
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Nothing will be easier than the forest for hitting things. Villages are arguably less frustrating because no cannibals. As a cleric you should be theoretically better than most since you should nullify the first attack by the cannibal. Gotta watch for any of their messaging and if you ever see one in the room pop an open 316 or 335 or whatever and knock them out.

stuck blade
# 
Your kroderine chains rapidly consume the magical power of the attack!
 ** Exploding in a tumbling current of frothy foam, a wave of sea water suddenly materializes at the call of your rusalkoren platemail and courses through the area. **
Strong currents tug at a stunted halfling bloodspeaker, pulling him about in an attempt to roll over him.
[SMR result: 106 (Open d100: 18)]
Succumbing to the force of the tidal wave, a stunted halfling bloodspeaker is thrown to the ground.
Strong currents tug at a savage fork-tongued wendigo, pulling it about in an attempt to roll over it.
[SMR result: 85 (Open d100: 33)]
Standing its ground, a savage fork-tongued wendigo is able to withstand the force of the tidal wave.
Beads of saltwater cling to your skin, bolstering you with their briny presence.```
I almost pity da fool.
stuck blade
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I do enjoy the pits just to get some solid use out of rage armor

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stuck blade
#

I'd like to be able to stop frostling ward to renew it early.

tough swan
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I don't know if it's been mentioned yet but there's a foraging issue going on with the HW.

It seems every bounty task coming out for foraging is all in town foragables for some reason. I've gone through about 10 successive foraging tasks all for in town stuff with none assigned to the environs. Missoni has been having similar.

I also noticed an issue with my HW herblore tome. Whenever I try to look for an herb in it now it sends back "You flip through the pages of your dark blue tome, looking for "frostweed" growing in the Hinterwilds, but can't seem to find anything like "Hinterwilds."

It would typically have a different return for that and allow me to see what locations it grows at so I think the bugs are likely related.

I already bugged the herblore tome for this, but that was before seeing the other issue regarding bounty tasks.

marsh canyon
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Oh man, and I thought I was just having an extraordinary run of good luck.

young cape
# 

You boldly accost a savage fork-tongued wendigo, your attack masking your larcenous intent!
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a perfect razern dagger at a savage fork-tongued wendigo!
  AS: +684 vs DS: +450 with AvD: +16 + d100 roll: +3 = +253
   ... and hit for 43 points of damage!
   Damaging strike to chest, several ribs shattered!
You swing a wavy ebon dagger at a savage fork-tongued wendigo!
The fork-tongued wendigo barely dodges the attack!
Without the distraction of a successful attack, you're unable to maneuver yourself close enough to mug the fork-tongued wendigo.
Roundtime: 2 sec.

Umm... I had a successful attack.

heady creek
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Yeah, it only counts the second strike, which is busted imo

Found this from back in 22: #rogues message

young cape
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Eww yeah. It's been an issue for 3 years?

heady creek
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Looks like since release, so it might be working as intended

young cape
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So the first hit can land with the second swing missing and it doesn't count.
First hit can miss with the second swing landing and it counts?

I'm surprised I didn't notice this until now. But if that is working as intended then that is bonkers game design.

charred harness
hoary temple
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prob just an oversight

stuck blade
# 
A suit of stygian rusalkoren platemail suffused with erratic caligninous whorls of azure partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
  AS: +654 vs DS: +357 with AvD: +32 + d100 roll: +97 = +426
   ... and hits for 89 points of damage!
   Well aimed shot, punctures calf!
   You are stunned for 1 rounds!
Trails of fiery scarlet race across your rusalkoren platemail as rage ignites within you!
 ** Exploding in a tumbling current of frothy foam, a wave of sea water suddenly materializes at the call of your rusalkoren platemail and courses through the room. **
Strong currents tug at a shining winged disir, pulling her about in an attempt to roll over her.
[SMR result: 112 (Open d100: 78)]
Succumbing to the force of the tidal wave, a shining winged disir is thrown to the ground.
Beads of saltwater cling to your skin, bolstering you with their briny presence.```
Ouchie.
hoary temple
south hazel
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Would GMs consider adding a fire to the super node at center of Hiwi village?

young cape
#

"Kill 23 golems" Nope.
wait 10 minutes
"kill 15 golems" Nope.
Bounty boost.

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It isn't that I even mind golems, it is that HW gets so swarmy because of all the bot/MA armies attentive players, that I can't even kill a golem without 2-20 things charging the room.

tribal quarry
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Wait, people hunt the Boreal Forest? I've been avoiding it for months because I assumed nobody bothers and bounties would take forever.

gray sleet
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I solo the forest with relative ease and anything non-gems is done in under 15m bounty-wise

young cape
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I hunt the forest quite often, I like it. I usually stick to the Forest, OJandhaart, Eldurhaart, and the entire Geistwalk area, and occasionally poke my head into the Sanguine Grove

gray sleet
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I enjoy the gigas fights but until I get some Transcend Destiny ranks the wargs RT locking is not fun for me

young cape
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the wargs are horrible, and the RT lock can last well beyond the 30 seconds max RT because it stacks over and over

It is a pretty cheap mechanic, especially because the mastodons and berserkers can do the same. It actually makes the area unfun.

pliant hatch
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Even with TranDest wargs are a blight

hasty garnet
stuck blade
# 
** Branching filaments of power snap outward from your plumille cloak in a lambent ruby red corona! **
[SMR result: 111 (Open d100: 17, Bonus: 43)]
A niveous giant warg drives its hands deep into your abdomen, grabbing your spine and pulling it forward!  A loud *CRUNCH* later, you seem to be a little bit shorter and a whole lot deader.
The pleasantly warm sensation fades as your heartbeat begins to return to normal.```
earnest spire
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This implies that wargs have thumbs

craggy flame
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hmm...

stoic venture
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Agreed on Wargs being the worst.

craggy flame
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WarG Cry is beastmode, this is true.

tribal halo
#

Here's my monthly request for additional node(s) in HW. On today's episode, multiple people were killed when two bards mana-made out in the Pipe Den.

Tables, more rooms in the Pipe Den, make the Watchtower or the graveyard a node. Something. Anything.

vestal niche
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the aftermath...

Also here: Moonbeamz, Lady Mosonri, Outlander Ayvain, Fetor, Ibar, Starmizt, Ehria, Etid, Picalo, Lady Kysari, Yakushi, the body of Tatterclaws who is lying down, Tristaine who is lying down, Rardorek who is lying down, the body of Abrogate who is lying down, Kriennae, Nebzedat who is lying down, Kipwin, Amhrain who is lying down, the body of Severac who is lying down, Kaydrin, Lord Nakht who is lying down, Bakarus who is lying down, Deddalus, Kawhi, the body of Dyreknor who is lying down, Sunflowerr who is lying down, Zaaldine, Clairebie who is lying down, Great Lord Fizzlebwap, Winchester, Monster Altheren, Taelrak, Riend, Horseman Durgrimst, Jabalia, Lord Alendi, Veteran Chrysain, Regyy, Sorrenn, Raythiel, Kave, Morgynn, Mellchiah,** the body of Alendeon** who is lying down
Obvious exits: west

fluid tree
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Today was my first time hunting in HW and I was amazed how crowded it was. Are the other Ascension areas this crowded too?

tribal halo
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No, ME has some big MA groups, but it's not as busy (spawns are wonky)

Hive tends to be pretty sparse, at least the lower levels.

heady creek
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ME and Hive also have a City nearby with easy access with tables and nodes for all subscription levels

fluid tree
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I'll consider those places as alternatives. Not fond of fighting swarms caused by the crowds.

lime knot
proud schooner
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Only one supernode and one regular node in HW correct? Unless you're premium and go to FWI? or have a puptent with node unlocked? do they have node unlocks?

lime knot
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and all the definitely here people tend to not use the premium ones, even if they can. cause muh bounty scripts can't figure out how to cross towns.

heady creek
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Does HW have a stables? I could see getting myself a stall just to rest on a private node there

tribal halo
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No. It's not considered a town so only has shops required for bounties.

tribal halo
sharp raptor
proud schooner
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more does it boost EXP absorption like a node would

pliant hatch
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ME has awful creature spawns and the Hive is harder than a lot of people want to deal with, Hinterwilds also has the only gemstone system NPC (the artificer) in the game so there's that too

heady creek
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Sailor's Grief will hopefully thin the herd in HW

tribal halo
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HW is also the only ascension hunting grounds that doesn't do child rescue/escort/bandit bounties.

sharp raptor
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I remain of the mindset that Cold River should just be turned into a minor settlement. Basically that would mean adding a village cleric to (or near) the shrine. We have a healer in the herb shop. A pawnshop, and a few tables. In lore, it's far enough removed to warrant those basic amenities in my opinion. The trade-off being the cost (fragments)/time to travel to/from and limited bounties. It just makes sense to me to make it fully functional for those who set up camp/make their home beyond the Long Snow. There are other examples of this in game, and they're not even remote locales. Marshtown comes to mind (which by the way has two supernodes).

tribal halo
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At this point, I'd be happy with 2 more rooms in the Pipe Den with nodes.
Maybe even 1 extra room.
...give me a closet.

calm flint
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and fishing at the fishing spot!

charred harness
opal pine
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He's financing research for the next era of jewels. Flarier and better than ever!

autumn sun
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:wishing He's adding damage tiers for Infusion of <Flares>!

tribal quarry
# 
It didn't carry any silver.
It had a pastel-hued wintersbite pearl on it!```
Every time this or some other super high caliber gem drops, I start questioning if I should be actively seeking out golems because maybe nobody else kills them and they have excellent loot pressure...
gray sleet
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I love me some golems, personally

sharp raptor
# charred harness What's the artificer using all that money from his services for?!?! He must be b...

While I don't think we know the artificer's story, I have my own suspicions. I'm fairly certain he's allowing folks to do all the heavy lifting in gathering bits of the Lunar Shard, and I suspect he's involved with the Wyrmcult in some way; I assume he might be quite scaly under that mask of his...

Spoiler-ish Lore: ||Gigas mythology tells how the long ago the Lunar Shard was a fragment of the great egg that bore the Firstborn (wyrms/dragons/drakes). The way that we are using gemstones is actually reviving and harnessing part of the technology/magic from the ancient builder race, progenitors of the Gigas, who larned how to harness powers from the shard fragments. Where too the artifact fragments littering the Hinterwilds (also the great Road, the River of Color, and the ancient ruined columns) all come from.

The recent resurgence of the wyrms roosting at Angargreft, the sudden rise in activity from the Wyrmcult, and the search for pieces of the Lunar Shard all point to something very profound and potentially world-changing happening beyond the Long Snow.

OOC: I think that it all likely infers that gemstones, as pieces of the Lunar Shard which is a fragmented piece of "the egg of the First Born" (that fell from the heavens long ago), are likely pieces fragmented off of the moon Makiri that plummeted to Elanthia to be found by the elder races. ||

tribal halo
cyan lynx
calm flint
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The artificer is collecting all that to build a sweet fishing place

ashen lynx
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so, artifisher?

fluid tree
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Firedrops must be a rare gem because I haven't seen any drop yet. Unless they only drop from specific critters? Or maybe I'm just unlucky.

sharp raptor
opal pine
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There are also just a LOT of different gem types in HW/IMT, so getting any particular one is already pretty uncommon

sharp raptor
fluid tree
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There probably isn't a good way to hunt for a specific gem then. Guess I just gotta hunt more!

fluid tree
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"a shard of raven's wing obsidian"
This isn't listed on the wiki at all. HW gem?

sharp raptor
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I believe it is. Let me see if I can dig out the list I made when I was making a set of all the Northern and HW gems.

gray sleet
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yep, it's a HW gem

sharp raptor
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Opps. Sorry! Can't find it because it doesn't exist anymore. I had been keeping track of them in a post on a 3rd party Discord server, of a player who no longer plays and deleted the content. (a side note: another reason I won't use unofficial servers anymore except for cursory conversation).

opal pine
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One whose coolness in name is sorely undermined by its value 😭

heady creek
opal pine
sharp raptor
fluid tree
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I updated the wiki with the new gem. Hopefully, the rest of the list is accurate.

stuck blade
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Daenamaryllis | fwi | chest > jar | 66 | gem | jar | | | | | lustrous vermilion firedrop

They're around

young cape
sharp raptor
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Okay! Here we go, had to dig in my logs a bit to find the completed collection. There are 111 different gems that drop in the Hinterwilds. Not all of them are exclusive to the locale.

blue lace agates
blue-green glacial cores
blue-violet chunks of kornerupine
blue-white frost opals
bluish black razern-blooms
bluish grey mithril-bloom
bluish silver rhimar-bloom
brilliant snowblind diamonds
cabochon torchlight carnelians
carmine cinnabar stones
carved basalt teardrops
chatoyant cerulean chrysoberyls
chunks of age-darkened ivory
chunks of dark blue amber
chunks of pale marble
chunks of ruddy bauxite
clear azure hoarstones
copper-chased azurite chunks
cylindrical red beryls
dark ivory aranthium-bloom
dark red-violet garnets
deep violet duskjewels
dull griseous mournstones
faceted teal sapphires
faceted wyrm's heart sapphires
flickering snowfire rubies
fossilized rolton teeth
fossilized undansormr eggs
frosted pale violet amethysts
frosted rhimar nuggets
gold-banded onyxes
gold-green auroral emeralds
golden rhimar-bloom
green alexandrite stones
green and pink zoisites
grey-streaked malachite stones
inky black nightstones
jagged nephrite shards
lambent gold warg's eye quartzes
large gold nuggets
large platinum nuggets
large yellow diamonds
lustrous vermilion firedrops
misty grey deathstones
mottled green jaspers
niveous snowdrops
oblong platinum nuggets
petrified warg fangs
pieces of blood amber
pieces of brown jade
pieces of clear oligoclase
pieces of coppery titanite
pieces of dusky blue sapphire
pieces of green jade
pieces of polished ivory
pieces of white jade
pieces of yellow jade
pink mithril-bloom
purple mithril-bloom
rainbowed ammolite shards
red-clouded black moonstones
rough cinnabar shards
royal blue boreal topazes
rutilated frostbite amethysts
rutilated twilight tourmalines
saffron-hued danburite stones
shards of glossy black obsidian
shards of raven's wing obsidian
shards of streaked blue spectrolite
shards of tigerfang crystal
silver-white palladium nuggets
silvery nimbus opals
slivers of blood-hued garnet
small gold nuggets
small platinum nuggets
small round graupel onyxes
smooth white-veined turquoises
sparkling ice blue dreamstones
spindles of icicle jade
spruce green emeralds
stark white snowstones
stygian lichstones
tar black tourmalines
teal chrome diopsides
tiny nightsky tourmalines
tiny snowflake zircons
twilight blue azurite crystals
vibrant titian heliodors
vinous gigasblood rubies
virescent nephrite shards
vivid cobalt blue spinels
cloudy winter peridot
disks of petrified spruce
ebon winternight sapphire
faceted stormcloud alexandrite
fragments of pale blue glacialite
gold dust
green ora-bloom
milky blue chalcedony
nival everfrost shard
pale iridescent feldspar
pastel-hued wintersbite pearl
piece of mica
piece of smoky quartz
pinch of electrum dust
platinum dust
sardonyx
small flaxen citrine
smooth blue-green labradorite
swirling silver globe

* swirling quicksilver globe (Changed to 'swirling silver globe'. Quicksilver ones will now auto-convert upon most interactions.)

* fossilized undandsormr egg (Misspelled, changed to proper 'fossilized undansormr eggs')```
young cape
# 
SSR result: 104 (Open d100: -2)]
The giant warg freezes in place, quivering with fright!
Upon witnessing your vicious display, a niveous giant warg appears profoundly unsettled.

Then I attacked the warg and stunned him. While he was frozen from my eviscerate AOE he unstunned himself:

ou boldly accost a niveous giant warg, your attack masking your larcenous intent!
You leap from hiding to attack!
You swing a perfect razern dagger at a niveous giant warg!
  AS: +685 vs DS: +352 with AvD: +1 + d100 roll: +99 = +433
   ... and hit for 81 points of damage!
   Awesome shot shatters spine and punctures lung!
   The giant warg is stunned!

A niveous giant warg paws at its snout and struggles back to awareness.

Then remained frozen a bit longer after this.

hoary temple
#

Do any people use the herbs in the herb box at Pipe Den?

earnest spire
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I use it to stash valravn *quills and disir feathers. Except it's been full, so I stopped.

vestal niche
fluid tree
vestal niche
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they are a component required for part of a quest in HW (only necessary if things go wrong)

fluid tree
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ah, good to know

hoary temple
sharp raptor
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I typically to try to keep it stocked with several earwort potions from Pinefar for folks to get rid of ooze poison (which can get upwards of 100 per), but it's been filled the last several times I swung in to do so.

autumn sun
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not sure how many uses, but you can also put a "chip of pale blue-green turquoise" from the FWI herbalist. Someone will need to wave it at the target poisoned character.
Dandelion Isleie says, "Ah, a chip of pale blue-green turquoise. This is one of the Aldoran healing stones. It's been infused with the ability to cure someone that has been poisoned."

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I dropped one in the box

sharp raptor
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Fantastic! That's a great idea!

fluid tree
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So you can't escape an ooze without a blunt weapon? That's kinda unfair.

hoary temple
sharp raptor
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And, with us slaying that wyrm in Ojandhaart just now, I've reached a another personal milestone finally! Myharl has slain 500 wyrms! ⚔️ wyrm RIP

fluid tree
opal pine
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It's a semi-common system. It's been around since roa'ters. They just require a blade instead

fluid tree
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Ah well. I'll just have to accept the death. Do all blunt weapon work equally? Is a maul any different than a knuckle duster?

sharp raptor
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Any blunt weapon will work. I use my bastard sword since it does slash/blunt.

opal pine
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Any weapon with crush damage, as Descorceri mentioned. Even a handaxe works

fluid tree
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Encumbrance is a big deal for me (forest gnome) so the lighter the better. I'll find the lightest crushing damage weapon. Thanks for the replies.

frosty junco
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Runestaff works too. Can be lightened to 2 lbs

fluid tree
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I think knuckle-duster is the lightest. Only 1 lb.

opal pine
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Did you try PUNCHing the organ? I don't know if I tried UCS, but it does the right damage type

fluid tree
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UCS doesn't work. "You can't move to do that" message. That's the main reason I found it unfair. I can swing a weapon but can't punch/attack with a closed fist?

hoary temple
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thought it was funny to have a tool made for sailing made of drake so I kept it

fluid tree
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Naw, I'm good I found a knuckle duster. I also checked and that ooze had a really low chance to grab me. It just got lucky. I should be ok now.

marsh canyon
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The idea of using a blunt weapon only, to get out of a pile of ooze is puzzling. Also, I'm still peeved that Voln armor beseech used to work to get you out, and now it doesn't, basically making the beseech feature useless to anyone in... Voln.

sharp raptor
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The really fun combo is when a mutant disarms your bonded weapon and then a slime immediately eats you. 🤣 The "ooze vomit" gemstone is one of the regionals I'd probably be cool with keeping if I ever find it on a jewel with some other great properties. I think the unique mechanic is a fun addition to GS (not everything has to be attack/defend). As a fantasy RPG, it seemed weird to me that Elanthia existed so long without any oozes, slimes, or puddings; they're kind of a staple of the genre.

tribal halo
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The really really fun combo is when you get eaten by an ooze and can't shut off your empath tattoo so it takes 15+ minutes to die.

stuck blade
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I keep a drake mace and drake dagger in my harness for emergencies

tribal halo
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I keep like 4 daggers and a falchion on me... and a backup bow... and a knuckle-duster.

sharp raptor
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Yeah, if I was going to have a complaint about them, it would be that there should be a check for a small chance at regurgitation each time it tries to digest you. If the slime get's killed or despawns you escape, but that can take too long sometimes.

tribal halo
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i have literally been swallowed after a disciple blew off both arms and had to sit inside and let my tatoo heal me enough to get a weapon out. Which is hilarious when it targets the highest tier wound first so it just bounced between arms for like 5m

sharp vault
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This is why it’s important to always kill your oozes. You never know which friend may be inside struggling in their own personal purgatory.

sharp raptor
#

Adjacent to the conversation, breaking down what feels "wrong" with disciples, I think is less a problem with the creature, and more a mechanics issue with the spell they're using. The auto-limb exploding bit bypasses secondary defensive systems: padding, dodging, maneuvers, resistances, etc.

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It feels very GemStone III.

stuck blade
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Not if you've spent enough money.

sharp raptor
frosty junco
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If you get stuck in an ooze, give a shout out to your friends to come kill it. It will release you when it dies.

hoary temple
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I forgot who it was but I killed an ooze once and someone popped out. I felt I should have kept him as loot. Very rude.

fluid tree
# 
You remove a vultite knuckle-duster from in your modwir trunk.

Ok, you got me game. That's pretty funny given all my complaining yesterday.

hasty garnet
young cape
# 

[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 73, Penalty: 3)]
Stooping down from his vast height, a tattooed gigas berserker reaches toward you with a gigantic fist!  You scurry out of the way of the huge fingers, heart pounding in your chest!

See? 100 and it failed. I've only encountered Wargs getting success on a 100 end roll so far.

sharp raptor
young cape
sharp raptor
young cape
hoary temple
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You didn't hear about that Maneuver Master gemstone the wargs can find? Succeed on 100!

young cape
# 
A niveous giant warg hurls itself at you!
[SMR result: 100 (Open d100: 67, Penalty: 3)]
A niveous giant warg fails to bring you down, but manages to scramble to its feet!

Here is a warg getting a 100 and it failing (as it should), so something is going on with their hamstring maybe?

pliant hatch
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Their hamstring is just weird, its messaging is buggy too

young cape
# 

Intense light begins to bleed from within a behemothic gorefrost golem, shimmering blue and unsavory scarlet warring with one another for brilliance.  A wave of blinding elemental energy pulses from the golem, so cold that moisture in the air crystallizes into stinging frost.

[SMR result: 158 (Open d100: 85, Bonus: 52)]
Hungering cold tears at your flesh, viciously leaching the heat from your body!
The freezing essence is drawn toward your wiregrass anklet, where it is consumed with an abrupt burst of light!
You begin to notice the world speed up around you.  How odd.

Can we please get a spell in the debuff window that shows how long their slow last for? I'm tired of guessing how long I have left.

pliant hatch
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Yeaahhhh I bugged that when Hinterwilds opened and have lost hope for it happening.

young cape
#

For real. I hate to sound like "that guy" but there are so many bugs that are multi-year long that I just.. I dunno. It is frustrating to deal with. No acknowledgement + Long-standing bug = unfun gameplay.

hoary temple
#

I feel like your anklet should have spared you from the slow effect.

young cape
#

Yeah. Maybe it did something? I have no idea. It is only 1 steam service away from being completed so it has good resistance.

frosty junco
#

Someone got imploded (all limbs torn off etc.) and flew into the village center earlier this evening. I’ve only ever seen this happen in IMT from the rift before. What in the HW could have done this?

chilly valve
#

Disciple voids?

sharp raptor
#

I have never seen that happen (nor heard of it happening), but seems like perhaps a bad encounter with an anomaly might do it? Or, maybe a unique item "escape" ability?

chilly valve
#

I think it happened to me when I was killed by a disciple and the anomaly was still raging

lime swan
# hoary temple I feel like your anklet should have spared you from the slow effect.

Alas

Glacial hues course down a silver-scaled cold wyrm's scales and she throws her head back, releasing a wave of frigid energy that races outward in a crackling torrent!
[SMR result: 109 (Open d100: 76, Bonus: 2)]
Intense cold leaches the strength from Cotelle as she is glazed with fingers of rime!
The freezing essence is drawn toward Cotelle's vine anklet, where it is consumed with an abrupt burst of light!
Cotelle's movements slow to a crawl!
[SMR result: 116 (Open d100: 68, Bonus: 9)]
Cold leaches the strength from your limbs, discomfort rapidly erupting into burning agony as fingers of rime spread across your skin!
The freezing essence is drawn toward your wiregrass anklet, where it is consumed with an abrupt burst of light!
Your movements slow to a crawl!

hoary temple
#

Eww

stone reef
#

any chance we can fix this....

# 
 * Ithloria just got iced in the Hinterwilds!
DEAD>
[go2]>north
You are a ghost!  You must wait until someone resurrects you, or you decay.  Either way, it won't be long now! (HELP for more details).
DEAD>
[go2]>north
You are a ghost!  You must wait until someone resurrects you, or you decay.  Either way, it won't be long now! (HELP for more details).
DEAD>pray stand
You can't do that while swimming!
DEAD>
[keepalive]>time
Today is Restday, day 29 of the month Lumnea in the year 5125.  It is 15:07 by the elven time standard.  It is currently afternoon.
DEAD>;kill go
--- Lich: go2 has exited.
>pray stand
You can't do that while swimming!``` You cannot pray to your standard when dead... because you are swimming.
tribal halo
#

That will teach you not to symbol of return. ❤️

stone reef
#

i didnt symbol of return

#

[go2]>north
Struggle though you might, you make little progress through the lapping waters.
Roundtime changed to 6 seconds.
Roundtime: 10 sec.
R>
Your head dips beneath the gelid waters and blackness consumes everything.
You become solid again.
i drowned... quite brutal really...

tribal halo
#

oh you can't when swimming, but you can when you get off the sleigh. I haaaaaaaaate that swim.

stone reef
#

its that i tried to use my pray standard... and get the return "You can't do that while swimming!"... im dead... im not swimming... im floating

tribal halo
#

I know, I was making a joke 🙂

stone reef
#

and... im gonna drown again. how nice

mighty epoch
#

You don't get around it with typing the word standard out instead of using an abbreviation?

young cape
# 
You search the fork-tongued wendigo.
It didn't carry any silver.
It had a faceted teal sapphire on it!
Interesting, it carried a moldy raisin cupcake on it.

First day of the month and already finding moldy food! Wooo!

pliant hatch
#

Any chance Hinterwilds NPCs can just be normal NPCs so they don't go completely missing for an hour+ after a crash? It's a really, really frustrating and honestly nonsensical aspect of the area

thick wing
#

...were the currency shards removed or something? I've been hunting a couple of days now and haven't gotten a single one.

heady creek
#

Dust? It slows noticably after 5 per week
Or the gigas shard?

thick wing
#

gigas shards I've been hunting gigas. Haven't gotten a single shard

zealous nimbus
#

it's not like a loot drop if you do a wealth gigas do you have none? you do lose them when you die though

thick wing
#

I haven't died, I know how it used to work when I was getting them. I just haven't gotten a single one in a couple hours of hunting (and don't have any). I don't know if it's just really bad RNG or a bug, given that this character merged from Plat.

sharp raptor
thick wing
#

weal
You have no silver with you.

[Enter WEALTH HELP for more details.]

sharp raptor
thick wing
#

...I know how it is supposed to work. I haven't done the gem quest thing yet because I just merged in the last couple of days. But I haven't gotten any gigas shards since I merged.

zealous nimbus
#

it's not just wealth though to see did you do a wealth all?

thick wing
#

THAT is what I needed, thanks. I'm full up on shards, that's why I'm not getting more. I am used to seeing it when I type wealth.

sharp raptor
zealous nimbus
thick wing
#

...Now I need to figure out how to get wealth to display what I want it to and nothing else.

sharp raptor
frosty junco
#

One interesting note about gigas shards. They appear to be somewhat linked to loot, in the sense that you’ll earn shards much easier (as a % of eligible kills) in the pits vs. olanhaart or whatever it’s called where people are strip mining the area for gemstones

sharp raptor
# frosty junco One interesting note about gigas shards. They appear to be somewhat linked to l...

I've never noticed that, but makes sense. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think when someone in a group finds a artifact fragment, everyone there with fewer than 20 gets one, right? I know I've gotten some before simply by passing through a room where someone else was searching a critter. So, if you're with a group of folks that aren't maxed out on artifact fragments, you're all goin to find them much faster than hunting solo.

marsh canyon
#

I'd love to hear the logic behind creating an entirely new system of alt currency instead of just making them normal game objects. I don't really see the point in a game where players really enjoy open economics.

sharp raptor
#

My perspective: Just replace the term "gigas artifact" with "auroral energy". It's not an alt currency, it's an area-specific resource. When you die (and depart/decay), you loose them, can obtain a limited amount. It's a balance mechanic for some special abilities intended to be fun boons for a hunting ground. Making them "gigas artifact fragments" just provided an opportunity to play into the lore of the area with the builder culture the gigas descended from which plays heavily into the area history, the backstory of the region, and now how/where/why the fragments of the lunar shard (gemstones) are a thing.

sharp raptor
#

Personally, I really enjoy the concept of having a unique way to interact with a hunting ground I frequent, and would love to see more areas get this sort of thing. I do think the output could just not echo anything for a resource you don't have any of (so you don't see a bunch of zeros).

stoic venture
#

I prefer the HW "currency" instead of like SoS periapts which never seem to have enough charges.

tribal halo
#

A little late this time, but here's my monthly request to get another supernode in HW so we can stop getting blown up by afk MA alt bards, spammed out of being able to rp, forced to go to FWI to use tables (and also not rp).

stuck blade
#

Another supernode out of the cold that is not the pipe den would be good.

All the MA'ers can stay in the den. Everyone else to the new hotness.

near arch
#

Pipe den should be auto noise

stoic venture
tribal halo
stoic venture
tribal halo
#

You've never been in the pipe den when 2 bard's songs blow up the room? Pretty sure we've posted logs of it in here 🤣

Is it song of mana? I genuinely know next to nothing about bards.

stoic venture
#

Yes but that doesn't help me understand what you're trying to say.

It's two bards singing 1018, song of mana.

tribal halo
#

I'm not sure where the confusion is? The bards aren't the only ones who get blown up, so everyone is having to deal with it?

stoic venture
# 
17:05:44: The mana surrounding Alastir and Sarowyn visibly stretches together and suddenly ignites in a violent burst of magic!
17:05:44:    ... 18 points of damage!
17:05:44:    Powerful hit to Alastir's neck leaves trails of vapor in its wake!
17:05:44:    He is stunned!
17:05:44: Sarowyn's wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the burning damage!
17:05:44:    ... 20 points of damage!
17:05:44:    Flames incinerate muscle tissue in neck exposing the trachea.  More than you ever wanted to see.
17:05:44:    He is stunned!

It's only the Bards.

It's happened twice in 2025 according to my logs.

tribal halo
#

Hang on, let me go hunt through my logs and find the last time people in the room died to an AFK MAer because what's killing them is totally the most important part of asking for another node. 👍

stoic venture
#

I think you could ask for another node without all the unnecessary extras trying to justify the ask.

tribal halo
#

I think multiple people have asked before and been shot down for superfluous reasons.

stoic venture
#

Then why are you asking again if the answer is no.

tribal halo
# 
Chrysain is caught by the effects!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Chrysain's ears swell, bursting his eardrums.
   He is stunned!

Ehria is caught in the effects!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Ehria's neck bones snap.
   Head looks precariously balanced now.
   She is stunned!

Picalo is caught in the effects!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   One lung bursts in Picalo's chest!
   He is stunned!

Kysari is caught in the effects!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Strips of flesh flayed from Kysari's back.
   She is stunned!

Yakushi is caught in the effects!
   ... 12 points of damage!
   Flesh bubbles on Yakushi's left leg.
   He is knocked to the ground!
   He is stunned!

Tatterclaws is caught in the effects!
   ... 28 points of damage!
   Skull and surrounding flesh disintegrate.  Tatterclaws falls to the ground dead.
``` + another 150 lines of people getting injured and dying.
stoic venture
#

Hmm, wonder if that was one big group.

tribal halo
stoic venture
#

I don't have any records of big explosions like that, I'm going to have to try harder.

tribal halo
#

That's the spirit.

#

Here you go, you can live vicariously through other people's bards...

📎 message.txt
stoic venture
#

I'm curious now what changes it from Bards only to everyone.

fading vessel
#

someone cast 418?

near arch
#

Exhaustive testing is in order to identify the specific combination

tribal halo
#

Or.. Or... Orrrrrrrrrrrrrr we get another node in HW and let the afk MAers just blow each other up.

stoic venture
#

I support more resting spots, I just don't think we have to blame bards to get them.

near arch
#

There are plenty of other things to blame bards for!

pliant hatch
#

I don’t even blame bards I blame the design of 1018. It’s insane that hasn’t been changed by now to not explode people. Archaic player hostile design

charred harness
tribal halo
#

Pretty sure bards weren't the only thing I blamed, but have at it.

near arch
stuck blade
#

It hasn't been changed because BARD

stoic venture
tribal halo
#

I have literally made this request for like the last 3+ months. Asking for more nodes in HW to benefit everyone is not some random crusade against you. That’s just wild, bro.

stoic venture
tribal halo
stoic venture
#

Yes, I was trying to figure out why you were coming at me. (It happened right after Sarowyn blew up.)

tribal halo
stoic venture
#

It makes it way more funny

tribal halo
#

It definitely made it something.

#

Guess we’ll try again next month with a disclaimer that it’s not about you. 👍

stoic venture
#

I think if we can push enough people into the den that it starts to affect the game they'll be forced to make another spot.

tribal quarry
#

IMO, supernode-ify the other tavern room, the Village Center, and the shrine, and then ideally add tables for good measure.

stoic venture
#

For whatever reason "they" want us to suffer together in one room. So let's malicious compliance that.

tribal halo
near arch
tribal quarry
#

I guess I can give it a shot (helping overcrowd the Pipe Den). Fortunately for everyone, I finished mastering bagpipes (relative to non-bard max) a couple days ago.

fluid tree
#

Is there any real reason that song of mana/mana focus needs to explode any more? I can't think of a reason they would be overpowered to warrant that sort of punishment.

near arch
#

Yes, it’s a key element of bard design that all their spells kill themselves

opal pine
#

It’s the song of POWER. Not merely mana. There can only be one POWER!

fluid tree
#

Oh okay, just make it a small update so the bard explodes and no one else does.

abstract umbra
#

Doubt they will do tables. That would probably make it a town and require that “town” stuff.

fluid tree
#

According to the wiki, "Cold River, Village Center" is a node. Just promote it to supernode. Problem solved.

#

Oh, and do the exploding bard update too. That will help. Make them explode into candy. Fun for all. Except the bard.

near arch
#

Make the pipe den a regular node

sharp raptor
#

I don't ever worry about resting on a node, but I know others do. My perspective on the topic is two questions: Is adding another super node to HW going to make the experience demenished for anyone or unbalance mechanics? (I don't think anyone has argued this?). Does adding an extra super node resolve a disruptive issue that has been expressed by dozens of players? It's a no brainer in my opinion.

opal pine
#

It will just become two very slightly less overcrowded nodes

sharp raptor
fluid tree
#

Another question, how come we don't see song of mana power explosions more often? Is everyone just going to tables? I would expect to hear about TSC exploding from it periodically.

opal pine
#

Anyone hoping that the “problem” characters will kindly relegate themselves to a single node is wishful thinking

near arch
#

Most people don’t sing song of power regularly because it blows you up, and certainly not afk. it’s a behavior reserved for specific individuals only

sharp raptor
opal pine
#

I am too, for the record. I am similarly unaffected by the outcome either way - I’ll continue to rest in the peaceful solitude of my tent 😁

near arch
#

Also I’m reupping my suggestion that hypothermia should be active in the pipe den if the fire goes out

sharp raptor
#

Now, a pawnshop/consignment.... I have a bit stronger opinions about, but also understand that would require quite a bit more resources to manifest.

fluid tree
#

A furrier would work, less resources. Even pinefar has furrier.

sharp raptor
#

We have a furrier. 😄
And gemshop, and bank, and locksmith pool, and herbshop. But for some reason, no way to offload alchemical stuff or dropped items. (outside of Mist Harbor, or traveling south).

fluid tree
#

Figures. You can tell I don't skin very much.

#

Is reporting an option worth considering? I don't know if the damage is frequent enough to merit it.

sharp raptor
#

I think REPORT is generally reserved for emergency situations that need immediate attention, but even then ASSTING is generally a better route to go unless prolonging resolution could cause more immediate damage. Something like this kind of makes sense as being discussed on the official forum of communication (a.k.a. here).

Getting exploded is annoying, but it's a valid component of game mechanics.

fluid tree
#

I don't know about that. ~~925 ~~ METEOR SWARM exists. That should be reworked. Regardless, it might be worth tracking when and how the explosions happen.

stuck blade
#

Is everyone in the pipe den not premium? FWI and a few other nodes are very accessible

near arch
#

Not to put too fine a point on it, it would be very difficult to prove that anybody was intentionally killing other players with song of power. The most plausible explanation would just be that they were dumb, which, historically, is not a reportable offense.

sharp raptor
stuck blade
#

I can't help but think staff is confused why a good many folks just don't go to FWI

fluid tree
#

They may not have premium. I usually don't pay extra most of the time.

sharp raptor
stuck blade
#

shrug HW is the best ascension hunting ground and one of the best in the game hands down for bounties. I suppose this is the pain point. If it had another super node and tables it would be perfect perfect.

near arch
#

hive erasure

sharp raptor
#

It's all subjective, but yeah, the Hinterwilds are my favorite locale in game hands down.

stuck blade
#

Hive is jank. Child bounties that take forever. Escort quests. Frickin stalkers and Coup

fluid tree
#

This makes me wonder how Sailor's Grief will be handled. It doesn't seem like it will be located near any towns. Maybe everyone will rest on their ships?

stuck blade
#

I'm ready for it just to have something new for a month

#

What we really need in HW is the option to teleport from the alchemist to the elven nations

marsh canyon
#

I'm pro-more nodes, but it would also help if some tweaks were made to take some pressure of HW: artificer in some other town, maybe have The Scatter count as an ascension areas, etc.

heady creek
#

Hottest take, the take to stoke the fire, remove the node and fwi, and force people to return to towns to rest

sharp raptor
near arch
#

I am definitely pro making more ascension hunting areas, there's clearly a demand

stuck blade
#

Heck, Im going to Ta'Illistim tonight. Gonna offend some elves

#

Going to stand on the dais and yell for workers to help renovate Li'aerion.

tribal quarry
#

Once again we see that loot pressure doesn't accomplish spreading people out since we clearly just keep overcrowding the Hinterwilds and Moonsedge even though the Hive is definitely richer.

But we can prove it again for funsies when Sailor's Grief comes out.

sharp raptor
fluid tree
#

I like the vibe of HW too. I am a fan of remote snow locations. The high amount of people kinda breaks that feeling though. HW is probably my fav of the current ascension areas. Hive is creepy and full of bugs and ME doesn't do the horror well enough for me.

sharp raptor
#

ME would be my jam if I was playing a Simon Belmont/vampire hunter sort of character. It's very well designed for that. The Hive I know less about, but I'm sure it maybe plays heavy into someone vested in the aelotoi lore.

tribal quarry
#

Yeah, many people would still stay in the Hinterwilds no matter what. There's a big chance that I'd be one of them, for that matter!

But the fact that nearly everybody is in one of the two Icemule-ish Ascension hunting grounds speaks to a larger problem that I'm not convinced Sailor's Grief will solve even though I'd love to believe it will.

marsh canyon
stuck blade
#

Its the layout and the need to not use bounty waivers in HW
Perfect spawn saturation

near arch
tribal quarry
#

If more than a tiny handful of people actually did it, I'd agree.

near arch
#

Most of the rewards for ascension hunting are concentrated in gemstone drops, which are not affected by loot pressure!

stuck blade
#

Anyone that's hunted all 3 for a few months is afk scripting if they don't admit wholeheartedly that HW is superior to the other two hunting grounds by a good margin

tribal quarry
near arch
#

right, which is why you should be back in sanctum if you were really doing the math

tribal quarry
#

I do legitimately need to go check out how rich the Sanctum is now. It's probably superior to the Hinterwilds after you've gotten a weekly Gemstone. Maybe even before.

near arch
#

It’s a little slower because there’s like three people there. Even the AFK empath on the altar moved to ascension (at least I assume that’s where they went).

fluid tree
hasty garnet
#

300 HP doesn't matter when a single warg can lock you up until dead

chilly valve
#

Can we please get a "Thick neck gemstone" making you immune to warg coup 25/50/75% of the time?

fluid tree
#

Do they follow the same rules as the player cman? You need to be low on health before they can kill you?

young cape
# 
With a quick lunge, a niveous giant warg tries to hamstring you with its !
[SMR result: 101 (Open d100: 87, Penalty: 13)]
Your size contributes considerably to your defense!
With a vicious strike a niveous giant warg slashes at your right leg!
Light, bruising slash to your left thigh.
Blood sprays from your right leg in a crimson arc!
   ... 1 point of damage!

@opal pine ACCEPTABLE! (sorry couldn't resist 😄 )

opal pine
#

/agree

hasty garnet
fluid tree
#

Ick, I hate that kind of death

outer tide
sharp raptor
#

I slept in today, and am just now catching up on the Simucon panel videos. Currently in the middle of the alteration panel video and the question of using wyrm scales as alteration fodder came up. The response was that the understanding is: wyrm scales are planned to be released as a rare drop and those drops will specify in the analyze/inspect that they can be used as alteration fodder. Also, any existing wyrm scales (like those that dropped pre-idol name change) will not be eligible to be used as alteration fodder.

@cyan lynx I don't ping very often, but since it just came up at Simucon and I haven't asked in a long while, asking if we have any update on if wyrm scale drops are imminently incoming or still a "RSN" list still? Same with the potential for the Wyrmslayer pre-name title that was mentioned as potentially becoming available. Been trying to snag that pre-name title for three years now, including an attempt to use Premium Points to purchase the title (which was also denied on the grounds that it may become an obtainable title). Thanks!

cyan lynx
#

Now that I'm mostly free from Sailor's Grief, this is a priority for me.

#

Wyrm scales will be a rare drop (with respect to boss fights, not rare by standard killable creature standards) so you may have to slay a few wyrms for one.

#

I will talk to Thandiwe about the Wyrmslayer pre-name. I think that one should have a similar drop rate.

near arch
sharp raptor
#

Nice! That won't be a problem! I'm already at 542 wyrms slain! Plan to keep slaying them! That will be an awesome surprise to see one drop occasionally. wyrm ⚔️

neon salmon
stoic venture
#

I don't think it should be a rare drop. It should be a milestone title.

If someone kills 1 and gets it, because it's rare, they're not a Wyrmslayer, they're lucky.

neon salmon
#

i want Wyrm Bait title, for all the times i've been sat upon

sharp raptor
#

Honestly, I'm not worried about what someone else gets. I'm just stoked to hear it's going to become available in some way. I'll plug away to get it since it's literally the core focus of Myharl. 🙂

lime knot
#

It seems like the title should just kinda be like, auto after x amount of kills, with x potentially being 1 because you did in fact slay it. But if it's just a random rare drop i'm bringing every non-gemmed alt i own to get carried through just to see if i can get it before myharl for the lols

#

my 1.02x cap empath, their corpse recently ejected from wyrmreach after doing 17 damage: "Oh hey non-wyrmslayer myharl. you new here?"

sharp raptor
#

I'm assuming the rare wyrm drops will be "dropped" as a part of the lockbox loot generation. That makes the most sense to me, I think.
That way there's no question about "whose" it is, kind of thing.

sharp raptor
frosty junco
#

Something tells me no matter how rare the wyrm scales are, with the number of times Myharl kills that thing, he will get a few 😉

tribal quarry
#

Idol hoarding mode engaged.

sharp raptor
# tribal quarry Idol hoarding mode engaged.

Nah, I'll still save a lot of idols I come across and use them to help folks out when needed. I figure a lot of folks in the Order of the Wyrmslayers will do the same. I think we've probably got most the folks who want credit through, and are getting close to just managing the trickle of progressing characters coming into the quest.

tribal quarry
#

Yeah, we'll see!

I'm attempting to get an Ascension group hunt going tomorrow and will be curious to see if anyone wants to run a wyrm.

hasty garnet
# 
Roundtime: 5 sec.
!R>
You begin to feel less sympathic.
!R>
...wait 5 seconds.
!R>
A savage fork-tongued wendigo rasps out a dissonant, sing-song phrase.
!R>symbol return

!R>
...wait 3 seconds.
!R>symbol return
...wait 2 seconds.
!R>symbol return
...wait 2 seconds.
!R>
A savage fork-tongued wendigo points skyward with a single gristly talon!
A savage fork-tongued wendigo closes its eyes in deep concentration...

An echo of foreign thought brushes your mind.
  CS: +453 - TD: +327 + CvA: -21 + d100: +78 - -5 == +188
  Warding failed!
You are overwhelmed with sympathy for a savage fork-tongued wendigo.``` Since we're taking requests, I have mentioned and mentioned and mentioned this issue over and over again, so here's an actual clip of (eventually) dying from it.. sympathy RT lasts longer than the actual sympathy effect (as per spell active).. so in the above case, this leads to chained sympathy, no chance of doing anything, and death.
sharp raptor
# hasty garnet ```Your sympathy toward a savage fork-tongued wendigo overwhelms you as you endu...

Aren't the RT effect and sympathy effect two different effects of the spell? The RT is applied upon failed warding, the sympathy effect is the one that causes you to attack allies. When you see "You begin to feel less sympathetic" that ends the sympathy effect, but the applied RT is separate. Case in point, the point spread between CS and TD of the wyrm casting sympathy can last a whole long longer than RT.

hasty garnet
#

there is no RT applied on failed warding. That roundtime is periodic throughout the effect

sharp raptor
#

Is it not you taking your turn? As in, if someone had been there you would have attacked them?

#

I mean, I hate the player facing version of the spell either way. But I just assumed when you fail the ward, you take an action even if defending (gives you RT), and then the sympathy effect wears off. Like above. You "defended" got 5 seconds of RT, and but the sympathy effect wore off while you were in RT. Maybe I'm misreading that though.

hasty garnet
#

Maybe let Auchand address it

sharp raptor
hasty garnet
#

Lets say you are in 20 seconds of sympathy. Throughout this time, you get periodic RT. My issue is that say when there are a few seconds left of the 20 second spell effect, you get periodic RT that now extends beyond that 20 seconds (I only get uppity when the whole "KS does not suffer more than 20 seconds of disabling" gets circumvented, as such). So in this case, I assume one cannot get double-syumpathied, or have it be refreshed, but in this case the spell effect had worn off, but I will still disabled by Sympathy, and in that window I was re-sympathied and ultimately killed.

#

(my other big issue is vertigo which gets around the 20 second "rule" by just giving you 35 seconds in smaller chunks, but thats for another rant)

#

It probably does have to do with looking for another player to attack, because there is no reason to give me RT when I already can't do anything

young cape
earnest spire
#

We've been rattling the "sympathy is bad and it should feel bad" sabre for a while now.

#

There are only... 2 ways to break it? One is a Gemstone (Force of Will) and another is a mental spell? Not sure there. I've always maintained the best balance update would be that it falls off the moment the thing you're sympathied towards attacks you. We don't need to support toxic relationships in this family game.

tribal quarry
#

You carefully examine the steel trunk and determine that the weight is about 164 pounds.
Today's fun box!

heady creek
#

38k silver, 2 zircons, and a bent nail

tribal quarry
#

Oh, I know it'll just be coins. But it's great for driving up my fossil charm ratio of silvers to gathers!

timid sundial
#

how does slipping work in hw? does grabbing 10 ascension ranks of survival (for 212 ranks total) make any difference?

hasty garnet
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I think there's always a small chance, Duffy is 202 and like, maybe once every other week will sleep

neon salmon
hasty garnet
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lol.. I swear I am not part of the brain bonk club, but this has been happening more and more, I 100% am thinking slip, and then read up and come to find I in fact typed sleep

tribal halo
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It's freudian, you're clearly in need of a nap

outer tide
tribal halo
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Just woke up, already need one

young cape
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12 out of 12 attempts of trying to drag someone through the arch in HW from OJand to the Boreal Forest and I slip and fall? I'm not encumbered. Neither are they. 150 str (50 bonus) and 2x survival....is this right?

sharp raptor
young cape
hoary temple
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Woohoo! So happy for the update so we no longer dispel phase from NCU. I'm testing with angargeist and seems phasing them still doesn't allow for crit kills. But! I came across one that had been symbol of disruption. I saw it wear off and phased it then was able to crit kill it. I dunno how much damage it took prior though. I bugged and Nyxus is on the case though.

timid sundial
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In theory, if you're going downhill, wouldn't ice patches make moving bodies easier? just put them on the ice, get on the body, and use it like a sled or board

hasty garnet
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like ice trolls do with corpses

charred harness
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i think you can do that on Penguin hill in icemule....
It's been awhile

sharp raptor
cyan lynx
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Hrm...

#

I odn't hate that, tbh.

hoary temple
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I'd rather run and launch skimboard style. 😛
arrive on the other side with a chance to dismount gracefully, stumble, or crash?

hoary temple
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This was fun. And they kept coming so I ran out of mana and ran.

 You also see a huge black alloy greatsword, some dark decaying leathers, a skeletal arm, a clawed arm, a flayed arm, a decayed arm, a pair of fleshless arms, a pair of clawed arms, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, a shining metallic spear, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, an eyeless black valravn that appears dead, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr that appears dead, a roiling crimson angargeist that appears dead, a shining winged disir that appears dead, a withered shadow-cloaked draugr that appears dead and a huge black alloy greatsword.
sharp raptor
chilly valve
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You also see a heavily armored battle mastodon, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a tattooed gigas berserker, a heavily armored battle mastodon, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a niveous giant warg, a tattooed gigas berserker, a grim gigas skald, a grim gigas skald, a brawny gigas shield-maiden, a heavily armored battle mastodon that appears stunned and a grim gigas skald.
Getting frisky out there

neon salmon
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why are they still alive?

chilly valve
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You can't swing a sword when you dead....

pliant hatch
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Certainly not a big sword, anyway

chilly valve
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There needs to be some better ways to mitigate SSR, its just like constant RT from wargs and gigas scaring me with yells, let those anti-fear alchemy amulets help with it!

pliant hatch
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SSR is a pretty poor and dated system. I think Auchand has said he plans to replace some/all SSR with MDR when he gets to balance passes. Whether that works out for us or not, who knows, lol

near arch
chilly valve
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You are a Master of War Cries....... apparently not if I whimper like a baby 95% of the time I hear them. I assume that is what the wargs and berserkers are using anyways.

#

So all I can really do is transdestiny sometime far far down the road or ascension/enhancive discipline right?
Dam dark elfs so pitiful! Discipline (DIS): 100 (15) 😭

#

Thank god for platinum, 5 additional discipline enhancives incoming

hoary temple
chilly valve
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175 jewelries from HW, only 9 enhancives including a wonderful +1 armor use bracer..... This place giving OTF a run for its money

hasty garnet
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it's being strip mined worse than the congo 24/7

stuck blade
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What the heck

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stoic venture
tribal halo
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I saw you die and was like "what the shenanigans is going on"

stuck blade
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Walked in, immediately got howled at by a warg and it was open roll of course.

Then nibbled to kibbles and bits. If I'd had a maxed out empath thingy I might have survived. Or if REGEN(1150) command actually worked with armored casting, but it does not.

pliant hatch
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Or if 1150 worked in RT, I always really hated that it doesn't.

hoary temple
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Is the wyrm immune to nightmare? The cast was successful but there were no after effect messaging.

sharp vault
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You need to put Myharl in its nightmare. He’ll take care of it.

hoary temple
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we should be able to just speak his name to cause a disabling status at this point

worthy sand
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um, excuse me. why do disciples suddenly destroy me when I hit them? I was just killing them yesterday and they couldn't ever do that.

now every single one can nearly kill me if I touch it???

neon salmon
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clip?

worthy sand
# neon salmon clip? 
Your size significantly hinders your attack!
You fling your wire around a flayed gigas disciple's neck and snap it taut.  Success!
A flayed gigas disciple continues to fight but the garrote digs in deeper.
   ... 41 points of damage!
A dark shadowy tendril rises up from a flayed gigas disciple, writhes its way up a veniom-wrapped long copper wire towards you and lashes out malevolently...
The force of a flayed gigas disciple's power warps the air as it surges toward you!
  CS: +512 - TD: +327 + CvA: +4 + d100: +98 - -5 == +292
  Warding failed!
A nebulous haze shimmers into view around you, plunging inward to envelop your right arm!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Unpleasant wound to right arm!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Unpleasant wound to right arm!
   ... 25 points of damage!
   Strike bores into right arm, causing now-weakened bones to crack.
   You are stunned for 2 rounds!
Cloudy tendrils creep outward from your right arm before vanishing into your chest.
   ... 50 points of damage!
   Shot blankets chest, leaving a brilliantly bleached but empty ribcage!
   Most impressive!
Cloudy tendrils writhe throughout your form, ravaging you for 80 points of damage!

It seems you have died, my friend.  Although you cannot do anything, you are keenly aware of what is going on around you...```
near arch
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Hmm, is that cloak of shadows acting on a combat maneuver? That’s interesting

lime knot
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garrotte specifically triggers it (edit: it being cloak of shadows in general) for some reason (always has)

pliant hatch
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Beware, that after 3 years, the bug with disciple Cloak of Shadows (712) not actually doing anything appears to have been fixed. I will be ignoring these now on my square, lol.

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worthy sand
pliant hatch
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There's a statute of limitations on being in trouble for that and it's more than 3 years lol

zealous nimbus
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This man reported the bug, bragged about his anti magic cestus, and then got hit with the change and noped himself out. 😆

pliant hatch
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Actually I'm back, I beat some disciples up with the cestus earlier I think I'll be ok. It's not 100% foolproof because UCS Fury gonna throw a kick sometimes and I might get owned but, good enough

near arch
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nidal went through the five stages of bug fixing grief in like 45 minutes

zealous nimbus
pliant hatch
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veil-iron toed timberlands