#[Official] Moonsedge

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unborn siren
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Might have just been a bug, but it clearly shows that some creatures have different loot tables based on where they are spawned

thick needle
shut jungle
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Hunting Area: Town
Critters in room/number of times seen:
0: 707 (98% of rooms)
1: 8 (1% of rooms)
2: 4 (1% of rooms)
Total Rooms: 719
Total Critters: 16
Average critters per room: 0.02
Time hunting: 516 seconds
1.86 critters per minute

Oof, it is becoming physically painful watching these numbers sometimes.

hazy mountain
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castle was pretty good when I did a hunt about half an hour ago

shut jungle
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Yeah I switched to the castle for a bit to see if it improved. Looks better so far.

hazy mountain
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pretty rare occurance where there was plenty of mobs to go around but also not ridiculously swarmy

unborn siren
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I wonder if the organ effects spawn rates

hazy mountain
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if it does I haven't noticed any pattern to it. I had the organ buff last hunt. I've also had the organ buff when it's been completely dead

thick needle
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I'm almost never in there without the buff going. Spawns are always erratic.

thick needle
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Also - throwing this in here.... if anyone wants to see the status of the organ, it's in the swordhymn channel in this discord.
https://discord.gg/JTvcdDkyuW

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i usually check there to see if it's resetting soon, and will just go rest in the library (Lich room 32469) if i want to make sure I catch it

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Not sure if this is pinworthy for the powers at be or not, but it answers commonly asked questions about the organ. Wondering if maybe I should try to add it to the wiki.

There's a 25 minute cooldown once it's played successfully. 
There's a 5 minute cooldown if played unsuccessfully. 
When a bard plays, everyone gets a 20 minute hymn. 
If a non bard plays, it's 15 minutes.
 Learning instruments helps increase your success. 
Having one open hand when playing helps with success.
Apprentice level in all skills seems to lead to about 55-65% success. 
Adept (bard master) in all skills leads to about 85-90% success.```
unborn siren
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So, my thought on the swordhymn a bit more layed out.
I wonder if when the sword hymn is active, if spawn rates are lowered. There are at least 5 minutes of inactive time, which can cause sporadic swarming. My theory is, if the hymn was not activated as often as it is these days, if the swarms would build up more. I also wonder if failure to succeed at playing the organ might inspire the mobs to spawn even more than normal. I have no practical experience, but I do recall a lot of talk about swarminess in ME before Gemstones released. I wonder if our coordinated efforts to keep the sword hymn active are reducing the spawn rates. I am probably completely off base, it is only a theory

shut jungle
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It’s an interesting theory and would certainly explain things.

stiff grove
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It was even busier than Dreavens crew when gemstones released and people were only there to kill one thing so no one was clearing out spawns.

thick needle
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I think Auchand's come out and said the spawn rates are pretty standardized.
If discord's search feature was better, I'd actually consider trying to find it, lol

weary haven
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thick needle
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No wonder it rang a bell. He was responding to me on it. lol. Thanks Kaetel

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weary haven
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Gotta up your discord search-fu, that wasn't even a tricky one 😆

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thick needle
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I was having deja vu there... and appreciate the search-fu lesson 😬

forest ice
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The spawns can be standardized, but the number of rooms that make up a spawn area make it feel wholly unstandardized.

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thick needle
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yeah... 12 spawn area there vs. 60+ for the castle in Moonsedge

forest ice
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I haven't been in Moonsedge for a month, but back in April I was for sure still encountering those 15 - 20 critter pile ups.

hazy mountain
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Standard or not it obviously is not optimal in Moonsedge. Perhaps the standard spawn logic simply doesn’t work well enough for the way Moonsedge is laid out.

thick needle
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Spawns this morning are rock solid. I only see 2 other people in the castle, but walking into rooms with 3-4 mobs at a time.

and never moving more than 2-3 rooms before finding them

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Just tracked for a minute real quick to see if it was in my head or not (I need a tracking script of some kind) - but here's what I just had:
The # of rooms i walked through followed by number of creatures once I found one:

1,2
1,4
1,1
2,2
1,1
5,3
2,2
okay.... stopped to kill a wyrm & unload, restarting:
1,2
3,6
1,2
3,3
2,3
1,7
2,1
1,3
1,1
1,3
1,2
1,5
This is insane.... And i see no one else out hunting

thick needle
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I clear these rooms in a couple seconds, so it's not like this is an extended period of time

unborn siren
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So, maybe it really is a case of people killing faster than they spawn? Is the sword hymn active?

naive tinsel
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I visited Moonsedge yesterday and unofficially counted roughly 2 dozen other people outside the castle composed of 2 groups and the rest were solo. All things considered, the spawn rate felt like famine but it also reminded me of the same situation in hobgoblins circa 1995. 😂

thick needle
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Sword Hymn active. Spawns stayed that way for a good bit. They're pretty decent now still, but not as heavy

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Not finding anything more than onesies and twosies now... but theyr're not hard to find, like sometimes.

I do think its a case of anytime there are more than 3-4 groups hunting the castle, things just get killed faster than they can spawn

naive tinsel
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Yep agreed, that's what it felt like to me. Simply too many people in an area.

pale sandal
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Aren't there a lot of groups in HW as well?

unborn siren
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Yeah, but HW is smaller spawn areas. ME has 2-3 areas of 40-60 rooms each. HW has like a dozen areas with only 8-12 rooms in each

glacial star
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There's tons of people in HiWi and you never have to fight over spawns because the spawns keep up because HiWi is like 6 zones, yeah. ME is just two colossal zones.

pale sandal
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Maybe it's a design decision based on the fact that ME is incredibly easy to get to compared to the other 2 ascension areas?

thick needle
glacial star
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Yeah the configuration of the area needs to be revisited. While it may be on standard spawn logic, standard spawn logic with two 50 room areas just doesn't work well

pale sandal
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I was surprised to have an area so easy to reach and so close to Icemule when I got back, it's the most convenient area for me. I was used to getting spirit drained for the scatter etc, and HW is another long trek, and I'm not even sure where the Hive is =p

thick needle
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HW isn't a long trek if you hunt there regularly. Gigas shards are instant transport to/from.

The pain with HW is that you have to cram your group into the same node with your 50 best friends

glacial star
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You also need premium to access a pawnshop unlesss you want to gigas teleport constantly

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ME the only ascension area where my wizard has to re-cast 515 in between finding a creature to kill

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Another issue is grotesques are a waste of a spawn for most professions. Not worth the mana on a pure, and unless you have a bounty task, not really worth the time on a physical class. Between their 319 and all their HP they are a huge Meh of a creature

pale sandal
glacial star
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None of my pures engage with them or the HiWi golems. Well my sorc 717's the golems. Sorc privilege

pallid vine
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I don't hunt ME that much but when I do, I kill grotesques (cleric + sorc MA). They definitely take a bit longer but I'd rather kill them than run around looking.

glacial star
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One grotesque sinks like 60 mana for my wizard, I'll just run around instead, lol.

pallid vine
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yeah it's like 15-20 mana for my cleric and 24 mana for my sorc to kill them (combined)

thick needle
naive tinsel
tawdry elm
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The grotesques immediately appeared to be an intentional puzzle, and they were interesting to examine.
My wizard kills them using about 20 mana and draws about 150 mana off them for a total of +130 mana gained for as long as mana leech supports it.
Two simple dispels break their shield then rapid fire minor electrical bolt can kill them in just a few shots, doing 60 - 80 damage per 1 mana/1 second.
I have seen empaths 1115 wither them away completely in one cast.
I have 302'd them into star magic in one cast.
I have seen wizards 519 immolate them away in one cast.
Those aren't reliable on a 100% basis of course, but with a little creativity, these critters can be a lot of fun to kill, and they are replete with mana ready to be siphoned. Wardable. Hittable. SMR'able.

uneven lance
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i think every upper level area should have a crazy spawn place and a quiet spawn place.

with just one spawn rate, characters with builds for swarms are bored, and characters with builds for one-on-one are overwhelmed.

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i celerity mstrike the grotesques with arrows 😄

thick needle
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Rogues are a cheat code on them.

Feat Silenstrike Waylay

frosty bluff
tawdry elm
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You burn out its HP 60 - 80 damage a second. Zap zap zap.
I don't know if they have 400 or 500 but at 80'ish per bolt that's, 5-7 seconds.
Add a minor disabler like free 909 TAP for the easy 50 ds reduction if you need it.
I'm trying to help, not sound snooty.
@frosty bluff

shut jungle
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I have also noticed better numbers today and last night in the Castle area:

Hunting Area: Castle
Critters in room/number of times seen:
0: 184 (77% of rooms)
1: 34 (14% of rooms)
2: 13 (5% of rooms)
3: 4 (2% of rooms)
4: 2 (1% of rooms)
5: 1 (0% of rooms)
6: 1 (0% of rooms)
Total Rooms: 239
Total Critters: 91
Average critters per room: 0.38
Time hunting: 575 seconds
9.5 critters per minute

Only a couple of rooms could be considered "swarms", but the overall critter rate is pretty good, even if it is mostly 1 or 2 critters per room.

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pale sandal
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spawn seems better today it seems to always go up on the weekends

glacial star
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my wizard is currently running around for 45-60 seconds in between killing individual creatures

shut jungle
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Yeah I brought my entire army out for a hunt a few minutes ago just to see how it would go and the spawns were somehow worse than I have seen before.

wise plover
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  CS: +468 - TD: +403 + CvA: -31 + d100: +83 - -5 == +122
  Warding failed!
You feel a surge of intense energy suddenly tear violently at your body! You feel drained!
 ... and hits for 21 points of damage!
Your seagrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the burning damage!
   ... 4 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to left eye bakes eyelid.
   You are stunned for 1 round!
Limned in radiance, a translucent night black shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   My!  You'll surely be stiff in the morning!  Better ice down the bruises!
Your seagrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 2 points of damage!
   Electric shot shoots pain along your back and legs.
A suit of star-flecked somnis plate partially deflects the onslaught of the impact attack.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Blow nicks your neck.

[SMR result: 215 (Open d100: 150, Bonus: 15)]
 ** Darkness gathers around the patrician vampire, speared through by pinpoints of white fire! **
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to back toasts skin nicely.```

```You have minor bruises about the head, minor bruises on your neck, minor cuts and bruises on your back, a bruised left eye, and a case of sporadic convulsions.```

Thank goodness for Ranger trinkets!
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grotesque I see a lot of, and ppl avoiding it explains that. usually two weapon thrash is enough. sometimes I use my Valence ability from the katana (raise for ewave like effect) and it usually makes them lie down for more damage.

I love ME. The theme, it's very close to Mule, they are undead, etc. Yeah, there are times it gets frustrating for various reason, but that's just how it is. You adapt. If fire damage or whatever is something you're taking a lot of, get resistance or a Ranger Trinket If you're not killing them fast enough, revisit your plan of attack. It's kill quick or be killed and especially when it's swarming. And it's not like you can't ask people to hunt with, although I get the argument that it's the searcher that gets the gemstone but it's not like you can't take turns on searches either.

thick needle
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6 unique players in Moonsedge right now, looks like about 20 characters.

and we're all chasing spawns..... back to going like 10 rooms before running into 1 critter.

Patterns are definitely leaning towards the idea that we're collectively killing things faster than they can spawn

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LOL.... I just had a string of 59 rooms with 1 critter (already engaged with someone else)

glacial star
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Wouldn't happen if the area was broken into 4-5 zones with separate spawners tho!

glacial star
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My mage has been in Moonsedge for 15 minutes and has killed 21 things. This just doesn't work, I'm going to have to hit Hinterwilds or something.

unborn wadi
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i hope swarmer’s grief is the swarmiest hunting swarm that ever swarmed

glacial star
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I hope it's not two 50 room areas

thick needle
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I'm playing a new fun game right now.

How many rooms can i walk through without finding a critter that I can fight (that someone else has not already engaged with).

My max is 68

cold trail
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At that rate is it better to just stand still?

hexed depot
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Its better to just let me have the mobs IMO.

thick needle
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Sad part is - Dreaven's crew was in there with me too... so there was no lack of characters

ivory otter
thick needle
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i usually run with a 0.1 delay per room... So that covers the ground pretty quickly.

ivory otter
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With so many groups running around at light speed it's no wonder the spawns can't keep up. I have yet to see the types of problems with spawns ya'll talk about, but I don't script so I am moving a lot slower.

thick needle
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The delay ends up being more than that though.... i'll record my next session with video, so that I can get a sense of how fast it's actually moving per room.

hexed depot
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thick needle
hexed depot
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Read in the voice of "The Curse of Oak Island" Is the legendary drop long lost Templar Treasure? Silver and Gold?

thick needle
cold trail
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If it's 1 room per 0.5 seconds, 60 rooms would take 30 seconds.

ivory otter
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When there are multiple groups going around I just slow down. Seems to help.

thick needle
glacial star
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Math is hard I been saying this

shut jungle
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The thing is in HW I casually stroll through with just my empath and I run through rooms with 2, 3, sometimes 6+ critters and hardly anyone is in the hunting area.

So either:
All of the large and efficient groups hang out in ME (which I doubt is the case but I haven't really hunted all that much in HW)
The spawn rate in ME is much lower than HW for some reason
The large single areas of ME is creating all of these issues.
A combination of 1 and 2.

Moonsedge is such a large area. The castle alone could easily be broken up into 3 or 4 areas, then the community could come together and be like hey, areas 1 and 2 are for solo or small groups who don't want to fight huge swarms, areas 3 and 4 is for the larger groups/people who want to fight swarms. Then everyone would be happy.

crimson bloom
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There are also possibly different approaches. One of the large Hinterwilds groups I know just camps a room without moving, so they end up increasing spawns through that area. And I won't engage with a room unless it has at least five creatures, so things have time to build up.

No idea what people are doing in like 5/8ths of the Hinterwilds, though. I only see what I see.

thick needle
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what still boggles my mind is what changes to make it get super super swarmy at times? The feast or famine aspect is so bizarre.

Because if what we think the case is that Dreaven just called out above, why would it be dramatically different at times?

unborn siren
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I kind of like that one group just stakes a claim to one room and goes Ham.

glacial star
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Anyone tried casting Provoke?

uneven lance
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will people sitting in the library count toward the spawn rate? that seems easy enough to test

shut jungle
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Holy heck. I literally just got to ME after not playing for the past 3 hours and I already had 10 critters in one room.

7 critters in another room.

thick needle
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yeah, i just went out for a hunt to and it's hoppin all of a sudden

whole zinc
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Anyone else find the irony in the fact that 4(?) months ago there was a thread that the hunting grounds were swarming because of MA’ers and now we have exactly the opposite problem? Do you think the GM’s tweaked settings because everyone complained and now we have to reap what we sow?

thick needle
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Nah. This roller coaster has been a Moonsedge thing for years

whole zinc
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Ahh ok..

hybrid wren
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provoke really does nothing for the spawns in me

thick needle
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Ugh... as many annoying mechanics as there are in Moonsedge (disarms, itchy curse, sympathy, etc...)

I've decided the one I hate more than anything else, is that the conjurer orbs can open roll kill you from an adjacent room.

glacial star
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Their orbs can't kill, the orbs are a creature buff. I think you mean the rifts

thick needle
glacial star
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They spit the orbs out and they buff all the creatures in the room, and can be dispelled. Never seen it have a correlation to the rift. They just straight up cast the rift and nuke you like the disciple anomaly

thick needle
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ahhh, got it. I guess I never paid attention to how they all played out. It's just chaos when It drags me into the rooms 😆

But it really grinds my gears that something not even in the room can kill me.

ivory otter
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I wonder if the spawns have something to do with day/night.

thick needle
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Auchand has stated a few times that there are no non-standard spawns in the game.

glacial star
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It's because it's two huge zones. That's all it comes down to. Area needs to be split up. Then it'll be great like Hinterwilds and the Hive

thick needle
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fallen pulsar
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What mechanics have been noted on breaking the grotesque shields? I had been spamming hamstring until it was successful, but I tried swinging at them until the shield fell and then hamstring. I'm getting the shield down in 1 swing (typical) and sometimes 2 (rare).

Saves me a bunch of stamina. I tried spamming Voln symbols at them (I was hoping sleep would trigger their shield), but they don't seem to do anything. That would have been a cool, resourceless solution but just swinging once is pretty effective.

stiff grove
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it's 319. it is a guaranteed block and sometimes more depending on their lore basically. you can just do an unarmed jab from defensive (it doesn't have to hit to pop the shield) if you want to save stamina. 2 seconds

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stiff grove
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Do quickstrike 1 jab too if you’re pressed for time. Doesn’t cost much stam.

tall dawn
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I'm worrying about getting Sailor's Grief hammered down at the moment, but once that's done, I'll probably take a look at all of the existing Ascension hunting for a balance pass, including spawns.

crimson bloom
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I have to admit: I've been curious about whether spawns are also relatively slow in the Hive and it's just that nobody knows because almost nobody's there.

unborn wadi
covert quest
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Hopefully the potentially very high threshold for gemstones is considered.

silent violet
whole zinc
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Any teasers or whatnot you can give us for Sailors Grief?

wise plover
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You level your somnis katana at a gaudy phantasmic conjurer and call down the excoriating power of Ronan to smite her!
[SMR result: 120 (Open d100: 49, Bonus: 12)]
Galvanized, the call resounds, and the air grows leaden with the weight of divine censure!
A curtain of auroral light descends, roiling with incandescence and streaked with starry darkness.

Caught within the numinous manifestation, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer is dealt a scathing blow!
The phantasmic conjurer's fibrillar entanglement blazes up like a beacon, amplifying the force of the incoming strike!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Strong assault amputates the leg at the knee.
   It floats in the air a moment before drifting back into place!
A gaudy phantasmic conjurer slowly comes back to consciousness.
   ... 22 points of damage!
Sizzling fibrils of night black energy entangle the phantasmic conjurer, leaving her susceptible to searing attacks.

Caught within the numinous manifestation, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed is dealt a scathing blow!
   ... 45 points of damage!
   Tremendous plasma discharge slices deep into the skeletal dreadsteed's chest!
   The skeletal dreadsteed is stunned!
   ... 20 points of damage!
Sizzling fibrils of night black energy entangle the skeletal dreadsteed, leaving it susceptible to searing attacks.

 ** Your somnis katana bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed is ravaged for 90 points of damage!
   ... 10 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to chest toasts skin nicely.

 ** A coil of spectral bluish-green energy bursts out of thin air and strikes the skeletal dreadsteed! **
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Chunks of flesh vaporized on right leg!

 ** A coil of ghostly greyish-blue energy bursts out of thin air and strikes the skeletal dreadsteed! **
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Flesh painfully vaporized from side!

 ** Darkness gathers around the skeletal dreadsteed, speared through by pinpoints of white fire! **
   ... 15 points of damage!
   Burst of flames char chest a crispy black.
Cast Roundtime 3 Second```

Heh
steel whale
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Neat spell. I've seen a few wicked blasts on that one

pale sandal
wise plover
hazy mountain
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anyone have any idea what the heck happened here..?

[Moonsedge Castle, Dungeons - 32490] (u4577208)
Cell after cell flanks the wide corridor leading to the far end of the castle dungeons.  Other than the occasional splinter of hay on the stone ground, the walkway is clean, with no obvious source to the horrific odor of rot lingering in the cold air.  At the end of the hallway hang several pairs of shackles, the metal freshly polished.  You also see an ashen patrician vampire.
Obvious exits: east
Your glacier spirit followed.
>
[targetwindow]>target next
You are now targeting an ashen patrician vampire.
>
An ashen patrician vampire slices a shadowy sigil in the air as she utters an old chant.
> stance defensive
> incant 301
You are now in a defensive stance.
>
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Prayer of Holding spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an ashen patrician vampire.

 ** Tendrils of blindingly white energy lash out from your black surita staff toward an ashen patrician vampire and cage her within bands of concentric geometry that constrict as one, shattering upon impact! **

An ashen patrician vampire blinks and looks around in confusion for a moment.

  CS: +541 - TD: +476 + CvA: +25 + d125: +107 + Bonus: +2 == +199

  Warding failed!
Swirling tendrils of glowing mist envelop an ashen patrician vampire, restricting her movement.
An ashen patrician vampire's form is entangled in an unseen force that restricts her movement.

 ** Your black surita staff bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, an ashen patrician vampire is ravaged for 95 points of damage!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Flames incinerate muscle tissue in neck exposing the trachea.  More than you ever wanted to see.
   The patrician vampire is stunned!
Cast Roundtime 2 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>
A young elven child arrives, following you.
> stance defensive
> incant 320
You are now in a defensive stance.
>
You chant a reverent litany, clasping your hands while focusing upon the Ethereal Censer spell...
Your spell is ready.
You gesture at an ashen patrician vampire.
Mana swirls into the visible spectrum and manifests as an ethereal, bright white censer swinging pendulously through the air beside you.  A muted black haze of incense smoke trails in its wake, quickly spreading in sinuous tendrils through the area.

[SMR result: 221 (Open d100: 9, Bonus: 107)]
An ashen patrician vampire becomes enveloped in the incense smoke!
   ... 70 points of damage!
   Blast hits chest and expands to envelop entire body!  The patrician vampire is no more!
Aghast at the affront of her injury, an ashen patrician vampire's eyes narrow into black slits.  Her body erupts into silvery mist that violently churns eastward!
A silvery cloud of mist churns in, billowing outward as it takes on the shape of an ashen patrician vampire.  Despite her preternatural beauty, she looks harried and haunted as she glances in the direction from whence she came.
   The patrician vampire is stunned!

As the fragrant haze settles over you, you feel revitalized.
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.
(Forcing stance down to guarded)
>
An ashen patrician vampire's dead black eyes grow impenetrably darker, focusing as she throws off her dazed state with a scornful smirk.
An ashen patrician vampire moves too fast for the eye to follow as she charges, swinging a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds at a young elven child!
  AS: +548 vs DS: +74 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +9 = +524
   ... and hits for 290 points of damage!
   Hard blow breaks the femur!
The child falls to the ground, dead!

[You have failed your current Adventurer's Guild task.]
glacial star
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Looks like that vampire wrecked the kid. Serious answer: the "bamf" mechanic is tremendously janky and that sort of stuff just happens.

hazy mountain
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cause to me it looks like I had a vampire disabled with 301, I then killed it with 320, but instead of dying it went east, but also was stunned, but also stayed in the room and killed the child...

glacial star
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Yeah the vampire bamf is cool conceptually but I don't blame them for having a hard time working out all of the bugs because I can only imagine what's happening under the hood in GS with checks on/around creature death and room movement, plus every available means players have to cause creature death. End result is weird stuff like that just happens with vampires

hazy mountain
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well whoever designed that, now you have a child's blood on your hands

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but more importantly I'm out 1k bounty points, unforgivable

shut jungle
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Maybe there was a second vampire on the grassy knoll.

hazy mountain
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I thought maybe there was a second but there was only 1 when I came into room and I don't see one come in at any time between me entering the room and the kid getting wacked

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oh and the vampire was actually still alive and well after killing the kid. I had to kill it again...

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I've seen the stupid bamf mechanic activate all the time on a death hit, but they always end up dead in the other room. First time I've noticed it negate a death

stiff grove
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i mean it literally only activates on a death hit. It's supposed to, afaik, stop the rest of the attack sequence once it triggers but stuff keeps getting through and hitting it while it's in the other room which is how you find them dead in another room (the bug is the died a second time to a hit that shouldn't have happened, probably)

What i assume happened is killed it with that beast of a 320 and it bamf'd. Your weapon flared or whatever, which you didn't see cause it's happening the next room over. It "killed" it again but it bamf'd a second time and boomeranged back to you.

decided to pick on someone its own size since you already killed it twice and took out the kid.

hazy mountain
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😩

silent violet
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This was a pretty horribly brutal instant death:

Shadowy, fleshless limbs snatch from the other side the ghostly rift, their grasping claws flailing blindly through the aperture!
[SMR result: 166 (Open d100: 163)]
Vile claws slash at you, their touch burning with otherworldly cold!
   ... 27 points of damage!
   Boiling water would feel better than this!
   You are stunned for 4 rounds!
One of the shadowed limbs pulls you close to the rift!
Limned in radiance, a translucent golden shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
   ... 27 points of damage!
   In a massive display of gore, your neck explodes violently!```
whole zinc
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Rift deaths are always like that… violent and explosive

weary haven
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Considering the open roll, that final result isn't that bad - only had a 3% chance to succeed otherwise

covert quest
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I’m an open roll pessimist. I see only a 5% chance to have your 3% possible exceeded by an average of 1600%.

pale sandal
fast solstice
#

I certainly didn't open the locked door, but today I learned you can take a hot bath in the master's quarters

fast solstice
#

Can anyone tell me what triggers a ghast's acid cloud reaction thing?

glacial star
#

It's 716, Pestilence. It happens 25% of the time you attack them. It uses a hidden sorc CS vs TD warding roll to determine success.
With any attack on the caster, there is a base 25% chance that the miasma will react and fire on the attacker, using a hidden CS roll to determine if the attacker becomes infected. If the hidden roll is successful, the attacker will take immediate concussion damage and a disintegration critical, along with additional DoT cycles, and be diseased.Maybe more than 25%, I forget how much lore creatures get.

exotic quest
#

ME is definitely back in full swarm mode at the moment

whole zinc
#

That diseased status doesn’t show up in health or the xml feed whatsoever.

#

I wonder if we can get it fixed to at least show up as diseased

glacial star
#

It may swarm sometimes without rhyme or reason but as a general rule spawns are SO BAD and the area is so packed with people now that ME has been moved to Unhuntable status for me. My wizard will have like 4 ticks of crushing dread and still be at 400/500 mana. I can’t justify spending time there anymore. Which sucks because HW is awful for wizards but idk what else to do.

fast solstice
#

I'm gonna find my one crappy first gemstone to say I did it and then move back to SoS probably

forest ice
#

That single room nonsense again
Town was barebones. Choose a random room in castle to move to and wham.

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thick needle
#

i just went through 126 rooms before being able to have critters, isolated from other people, that I could attack.
WTH

So much for getting a quick hunt in.

crimson bloom
#

Need that Sailor's Grief to break people up more! There's a scheduled Simucon talk about it, so maaaaaybe... 🙏

thick needle
#

I ran into a grimswarm orc ranger just outside the castle the other day.... first time i've seen grimswarm around there

stiff grove
#

I passed people doing a grim raiding party task there like last month. I was likewise confused.

fast solstice
#

It would be cool if vampires could "turn" other critters.
Also here: a Grimswarm Troll Ranger Vampire

hollow bobcat
#

what is wrong with moonsedge spawns? literally 10+ minutes of just wandering around trying to find stuff to kill

hazy mountain
#

Yup… I left and went to Hinterwilds. Might never come back 😂

shut jungle
#

It's pretty weird. I hardly notice a difference in spawn rates if I bring just a third of my army to Moonsedge or my entire army, and in either case the spawn rates seem very low.

glacial star
#

Yeah I gave up on the area over the spawns, sad but until they're fixed it's not worth running around forever trying to find stuff.

tawdry elm
#

They all spawn together and die together semi instantly.

If I walk past a creature and then step back into the room to fight it, a group will already be there .5 seconds later.

So every min or two the critters appear and then are hunted out within moments.

ivory otter
#

A character or group zooms past every few seconds, if it takes that long. The spawns are being killed almost immediately as they gen.

glacial star
#

Yeah so we need more spawns

unborn wadi
pale sandal
#

I have been trying to go after the grotesque's lately but man they are stil such a huge mana sink. I can hunt almost indefinitely if I leave them out.

fast solstice
#

Yeah, I can basically hunt there indefinitely because I'll kill something and then run around for a few pulses before finding something else.

fallen pulsar
#

Auchand's going to get so sick of us complaining he's going to send it in the complete opposite and have 20+ in every room.

pale sandal
weary haven
hazy mountain
fast solstice
#

I asked Chad GPT about brute forcing the whisper to the sealed door (assuming it's 20 characters or less) at two guesses per second and it says it will take 615 quintillion years

unborn wadi
#

a journey of 615 quintillion years begins with one step

distant basin
#

Probably in 2 or 3 quintillion years they’ll update the password

hazy mountain
#

but that's with random character isn't it? I would not expect a role playing door password to be a random string of characters. A dictionary attack with English phrases would be a much smaller search space. Even smaller if you limited it to things related to Gemstone lore

quasi jackal
pliant osprey
covert quest
#

That guy was a pain. Follow him in and he’s dead with pookas all over.

wise plover
hazy mountain
#

lol, last time I heard someone yell chase was hunting giant rats in the sewers nearly 30 years ago

glacial star
#

I would assume anyone saying chase in 2025 was joking and move on with my day. They are not to be taken seriously

hollow bobcat
# 
The evanescent shield shrouding you flares to life and thickens to create a substantial buffer around you.
[SMR result: 30 (Open d100: 33)]
A horned basalt grotesque attempts to bearhug you, but you manage to evade its grasp!
A horned basalt grotesque crushes you mercilessly!
Roundtime: 4 sec.``` ???
hybrid wren
#

he just wanted to cuddle

whole zinc
hollow bobcat
#

the problem is he failed but still crushed me?

thick needle
#

Was there more than one in the room? Was one already hugging you? The crushing lasts awhile. He could’ve also already been hugging you and the fail was another attempt on one

crimson bloom
#

"Oh, I know, I'll go hunt Moonsedge to fill my head real quick before I have to step away," I thought to myself, and so I did. "It'll be a fun change of pace!" I believed. And then I tried it, was quickly reminded that it's basically unnavigable without script movement, and did not fill my head before just leaving.

fallen pulsar
#

The regulars are all like small dogs having the zoomies in a small apartment. If you don't do the same we're lapping ya and killing all the monsters as fast than they can spawn.

crimson bloom
#

Yes, and I can't fault them. It's the only sensible way to hunt there.

But I enjoy moving around manually, so not the place for me! And that's alright. Just a bit of culture shock over here, I guess. 😄

mortal galleon
#

the first 12-15 rooms before the bridge are all numpaddable

fallen pulsar
#

I'd head to the crypt first if you want to move around manually

thick needle
#

I walk around by hand a good bit.
Just need go stairs and go door macroed

hardy dragon
#

Who do I blame for that insane swarm at the entrance yesterday? I just counted 16 as I walked thru the gate. No bueno.

mortal galleon
#

fight harder

hardy dragon
covert quest
#

Could bind a key to something basic like . . .

;e fput "go #{GameObj.room_desc[0].noun}"

That will probably pop you through most boundaries in ME as they don't typically share rooms. Won't get you into the crypt, but just a super quick something to make it easier to keypad around.

livid pollen
#

no one uses ;wander/;ewander/custom ;go2 targets?

covert quest
#

I like to just stroll around peering everywhere. That’s just me.

hazy mountain
#

yeah I hunt manually. I used to peer when I first started but I stopped being that cautious a while ago. my 335 nukes swarms pretty well now so I'm less scared of them

quasi jackal
# 
The evanescent shield shrouding you flares to life and thickens to create a substantial buffer around you.
[SMR result: 0 (Open d100: 18, Bonus: 11)]
An infernal death knight attempts to jab  into your lower back, but it doesn't faze you.
   ... 4 points of damage!
  You are stunned!
Roundtime: 3 sec.```
Ok this should not be happening?
unborn siren
#

Sucker punch man, all kinds of broken at the moment

hardy dragon
tall dawn
wise plover
# quasi jackal ```An infernal death knight swings a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio... 
Shadowy, fleshless limbs snatch from the other side the ghostly rift, their grasping claws flailing blindly through the aperture!
[SMR result: 179 (Open d100: 158, Penalty: 3)]
Vile claws slash at you, their touch burning with otherworldly cold!
Your seagrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!
   ... 16 points of damage!
   Massive strike of icy shards shatters your skull!
   You are stunned for 5 rounds!
One of the shadowed limbs pulls you close to the rift!
   ... 33 points of damage!
   Jugular veins erupt in twin fountains!  Too bad you needed them to live.
The rush of collective knowledge of the undead fades from your mind.
The layer of protection fades away.```

welcome to the club Brute 🙂
fast solstice
#

It's VERY swarmy right now

livid pollen
#

someone should track this swarmageddon effect
no moons are out right now - dunno if there's a link tho
Liabo is about mid-cycle for full moon

tall dawn
#

Haha.

thick needle
#

It’s likely a cause of more solo hunters in the area no moving as fast and clearing as many mobs as the MA’ers.

It doesn’t take much for it to build up fast without MA groups zooming through and clearing it out.

livid pollen
#

I don't hunt there much I see cyclical patterns of people complaining how dead or swarmy it is. lol

wise plover
#

from one perspective, it could be "dead" because the MA'ers are killing them that fast. Giving the benefit of the doubt that they kill anything and everything they stumble across

which leads another thing to account for: Solo hunters. I can promise I hit everything I come across, but I have to wonder if

a) some of the solo hunters are skipping some of the spawns because they are hunting specifically for an X creature

b) solo hunters are slower to kill or just not landing that killing blow / crit kill blow "fast enough" and then more creatures pile into the room

and/or

c) In the instance they aren't doing adventure guild, if they are just doing the quest and (once again) hunting strictly vampires

please note: I am not complaining about the MA'ers nor solos. this is just speculation / theory guessing.

I get skipping a room with 3+ mobs in it. Sometimes I try to fight it off if I have enough CDs at my disposal and able to cast 1650 before mystic (whatever) kicks in to prevent casting

Just my guesses for an explanation of the "too swarmy" and "too dead"

livid pollen
#

Yeah I'll tackle whatever I face heh. I just feel like the spawn rates are mentioned here more than the other ASC hunting grounds so I was just curious if there was some natural phenomena explanation other than hunting pressure.

mortal galleon
#

You also see a horned basalt grotesque, a horned basalt grotesque, a horned basalt grotesque, a horned basalt grotesque that is lying down and a horned basalt grotesque that is lying down. Every time you kill a grotesque, you gain +1% chance of finding a gemstone. And every time you pass a grotesque, you die

silent violet
#

Thats almost as good as: if you step on a crack you break your back, hop over a crack and all day long you'll have good luck.

foggy forge
#

When I solo hunt I skip certain mobs like grotesques. When I group hunt, I buzz saw through everything. I’d imagine most do the same in terms of skipping certain mobs when solo.

tall dawn
#

I'm weird, but I never have problems with grotesques.

#
  • Minus bearhug.
foggy forge
#

They’re fine in a vacuum, but they are significantly tankier than everything else which is an issue when there are one or two in a swarm

mortal galleon
foggy forge
#

Yeah ain’t nobody have time for that

wise plover
# 
Your size considerably hinders your defense!
A horned basalt grotesque crushes you mercilessly!
   ... 35 points of damage!
Roundtime: 3 sec.```

Surprised this still happening at exactly the amount it was even at 20% crush resistance even though I'm now 40%.  This working as intended?
unborn wadi
#

i believe bear hug is just health damage, no resistance would matter

wise plover
#

guess it's the wording with "crushing" that's throwing me off as it implies crushing damage shrug

weary haven
#

Just concussion damage

velvet glen
#

So is there a resistance to mitigate concussion damage, or is it not a crit? E.g. would only damage padding help?

drifting sedge
#

If its not coming from a crit, you need damage padding.

uneven lance
#

If you mean concussion damage like this, then damage padding will not mitigate. it's pretty common from a lot of sources, but is easily ignored with high health regen

  CS: +517 - TD: +467 + CvA: +4 + d100: +100 == +154
  Warding failed!
You feel a surge of intense energy suddenly tear violently at your body! You feel drained!
 ... and hits for 28 points of damage!
Your wiregrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the burning damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Nasty burns to left leg.  Gonna need lots of butter.
silent violet
#

you know what My favorite thing about Moonsedge is? IT's not the critters.. It's the FREE TARTS, and Muffins, and cookies, in the morning. Most of the time in the morning they are fresh. as the day goes on they get soggy and then even later they get moldy. I don't eat the moldy ones those aren't so yummy. But free Fresh Tarts is the bestest loot ever in Opalina's eye's.

tall dawn
#

Haha.

wise plover
# 
  CS: +468 - TD: +403 + CvA: -31 + d100: +26 - -5 == +65
  Warded off!

 ** Plasmatic tendrils of blinding light radiate from your vicinity, lashing toward an ashen patrician vampire! **
 [SMR result: 107 (Open d100: 59)]
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Skin and muscle roasted away leaving the ribs exposed on the patrician vampire's back!
   The patrician vampire is stunned!```

overall I think I like the Thorns gemstone in ME though kinda wish I could upgrade it heh
(assuming working as intended)
silent violet
fast solstice
#

That's.... Quite the grotesque image 🥁

silent violet
#

omg.. I didn't even notice the image! I was just sharing the song I'll fix that sorry Araneus! (and fixed)

fast solstice
#

It didn't bother me, it kinda resonated with how I feel about those critters.

fast solstice
#

LMAO I just found this easter egg

Misc [1]: a parchment script
Total items: 1
>read script
In the Common language, it reads:

Interview with the Vereri

A Licentious Tale in Three Parts```
silent violet
#

It's a cute one did you try on all the wigs?

fast solstice
#

It wouldn't let me pick up a wig

tall dawn
quasi jackal
#

The healer in Icemule Trace, Mirtag, is working on a concoction that requires a stalk of bluebells found in Moonsedge near Icemule Trace. These samples must be in pristine condition. You have been tasked to retrieve 5 samples.
:/

jagged spoke
quasi jackal
#

Auchand not being a member of the CanTag club makes me sad.

fast solstice
#

Bluebells behind the sealed door?

quasi jackal
#

nothing gets assigned except bluebells right now and no they're nowhere in moonsedge

surreal hearth
#

As far as I see, bluebells are now in every outdoor room in ME

fast solstice
#

A couple months ago, I definitely got foraging bounties that were found in the crypt

jagged spoke
#

Pretty much all of mine have always been in the crypt. So this was definitely a weird change.

quasi jackal
surreal hearth
#

(120 survival and a Green Thumb gemstone, but I don't think that should make a difference to finding them at all)

quasi jackal
#

so what I was doing was forage for bluebell which doesn't work, gotto be "bluebells"

cold trail
#

👆 This guy, what an IDIOT (this was a joke)

quasi jackal
#

ikr. I checked everywhere last night and was like, they're NOT HERE. Even submitted a bug report. sigh.

cold trail
#

Seriously though, there have been some improvements to the syntax/flexibility of the foraging system but it remains frustrating to me and I am wholly empathetic to Brute's plight.

surreal hearth
#

Yeah foraging syntax has always been messy, especially for things that are "stalk of" or "sprig of"... just "forage bluebells" with these, and I never mess around with adding a "for"

random sapphire
#

Ok, just found one right when I entered the gate

surreal hearth
# 
>forage bluebell
As you forage around, you feel your attunement to the local flora fade.
d100(Open): 67
As you carefully forage around you can find no hint of what you are looking for.  You are not even positive where it may be found.```
Now is a good time to learn FORAGE SENSE, and also to look at the foraging messages. That's the message you get when the system doesn't even recognize what forageable you entered. So yeah, single 'bluebell' is no good, for some reason. https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Foraging#Messaging
whole zinc
#

Rumor has it… the door has been solved…

fast solstice
#

I heard that rumor too, but nothing beyond hearing the rumor

steel whale
#

Why don't we learn instruments playing this Organ? ...or failing it.

wise plover
# 
You are now in an offensive stance.
>
Diffuse radiance haloes your somnis katana as you lunge at a flickering mist-wreathed banshee in a quick and vicious strike!
 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis katana expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the mist-wreathed banshee, enveloping her entirely! **
 [SSR result: 175 (Open d100: 69)]
   A flickering mist-wreathed banshee goes limp as she is rendered unconscious!

You swing a silver-edged somnis katana at a flickering mist-wreathed banshee!

 ** Your somnis katana glows brightly for a moment, consuming the magical energies around the mist-wreathed banshee! **
A shadow seems to detach itself from a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, swiftly dissipating into the air.
The elemental aura around a flickering mist-wreathed banshee wavers.
Darkness punctuated by a constellation of starry pinpoints wells up around a flickering mist-wreathed banshee and splinters away with a sound like shattering crystal.
The hazy film around a flickering mist-wreathed banshee fluxes chaotically!
   ... 15 points of damage!
   The mist-wreathed banshee fades for a second as the blow passes through the chest.

  AS: +726 vs DS: +303 with AvD: +39 + d100 roll: +88 = +550
   ... and hit for 408 points of damage!
   Attack whistles right through the lower back encountering little resistance!
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the mist-wreathed banshee's body and rises into the heavens.
A flickering mist-wreathed banshee's features twist, caught in grief and agony as she sinks to the ground.  Slowly, her form and garments leak into gauzy mist as her shape begins to lose cohesion.
Glimmers of chastising radiance dart inward and excite within you a righteous fervor.
Roundtime: 3 sec.```

Just another night at Moonsedge with the organ powers active... 😉
hollow bobcat
#

what's going on with moonsedge and bluebells?

unborn wadi
#

they're an invasive species that has recently popped up

wise plover
#

in a weird way, the first thing that popped up in my mind with bluebells and with Moonsedge being close to Icemule was Blue Bell Ice Cream 😛

silent violet
thick needle
#

Moonsedge is so farmed out right now it's sad. Like really sad

hazy mountain
#

I mean it’s not exactly surprising that the most conveniently accessible ascension hunting area would see the most traffic.

jagged spoke
#

Just.... jsut normalize spawns
please dear mob spawning deity

glacial star
#

ME needs split into more "zones" and that would fix things most likely. Two 50 room areas can spawn "normally" but feel really sparse. Turn that into four 25 room zones and it'll probably feel better

thick needle
#

I'm not talking spawns though, i'm just talking loot.

#

I've farmed for 2 days now and haven't found a SINGLE item worth more than 30k at the gemshop or pawnshop. Somewhere between 2k and 3k mobs killed.

glacial star
#

Oh. ME loot has always been atrocious though, even pre-gemstones. Not surprising it's even worse now

jagged spoke
#

LOL
After having hunted ME for like the past... 4 months? I haven't found anything worth anything once. (Except gemstones)

I had hoped that another ascension area would let some loot pressure off, but nope.

thick needle
#

It's definitely gotten worse. After a fresh reset, you'd at least still get enhancive drops. Those don't even exist now.

glacial star
#

It’s a relatively easy zone you can just walk into from town with no entrance mechanics, it’s gonna stay stripmined I’m afraid lol

thick needle
glacial star
#

HW is ruined too now though. I pulled all my characters out, split between the Hive and SG. Gemstones wrought havoc on my previous favorite area of the game and now it’s just full of people’s Nelemar alts. No thanks. (That’s why you won’t see me at wyrms anymore, btw, I’m out on the zone until Auchand buffs it to clear some of the scrubs out)

jagged spoke
#

Deadpits and GC are still pretty ok.

thick needle
#

I'd move to HW and use the Pits if i had any kind of solution for offloading loot and wasn't stuck sitting with 300 people in the pipeden.

It's just bonkers to me to funnel so many players into HW as an area and not give simple solutions for selling down or resting peacefully.

#

Even moonsedge has a sancted & noded room in it for resting 😆 Regardless of the fact that there are an abundant amount of nodes/super nodes accessible within 5 seconds of it

hazy mountain
#

Yeah HW is only good if you have access to FWI

silent violet
#

Well good loot would be nice.

#

Any loot is better than no loot though. And there's always the free tarts

fast solstice
#

Nice place to take a bath, too

jagged spoke
#

wat

wise plover
# jagged spoke wat

there's a bath in the master's lair. you can sit in it and get a crisp fresh smell. wouldn't recommend it while beasties are in the room.

jagged spoke
#

Oh that sounds like fun

unborn wadi
#

surprised it isn't full of blood

wise plover
# glacial star ME needs split into more "zones" and that would fix things most likely. Two 50 r...

just depends on the time of day/night for how busy the "traffic" is. i'm kind of hoping when the "space ships" come (as they were called during the Con), that that will help since those will be their own instance from what I understood but i dont know if it'll be enough. personally I was hoping SG would encourage more of the armies/traffic folks to go there vs M.E. with some QOL that happened such as FWI access but I'm going to take an educated guess they don't because they dont like swimming to go from area to area to hunt.

hazy mountain
#

I haven’t even been to SG. Sounds annoying to get to.

wise plover
#

it's 20k silvers to get there from Solhaven. it's fun but very rough/tough but it's my understanding you can teleport to FWI now. There is a bank and a few other buildings there too (I think herbs etc but i dont know specifics offhand)

unborn wadi
#

after my time on test i knew sg would be for a niche audience. maybe slightly less niche than the hive simply by not being zul, but that remains to be seen

#

actually you can get to zul much faster by comparison, and it can be targeted by mounts, so maybe sg will change some minds on the hive 😁

whole zinc
#

All 100+ mobs yield the same exp and the same chance at a gemstone. Going to a hunting ground that’s split by annoying obstacles is well annoying. And certainly not worth the effort when there’s no more reward than hunting in any other ascension area. SG is fantastically coded and has a lot of flavor yet to be seen, frankly though… it’s not worth the swim.

unborn wadi
#

hey there you have it, not worth the swim. stay away.

whole zinc
#

Oh I am staying away. But that’s my point, if we introduce new hunting grounds in order to entice people to stray from the overcrowded ones, there needs to be a reason. SG holds nothing but pointless obstacles and death.

#

Typically RPG’s offer higher reward to those with higher risk. That is NOT the case in SG.

unborn wadi
#

hey for me the action is the juice

#

btw in case it wasn't clear the "stay away" part was a joke and not aimed at you. 😁
i'd love for more people to embrace sg as it is, so i can see how bananas the spawns can really get Tentapepe

thick needle
#

I'm convinced they tweaked the loot system or opened up the feeders and broke enhancive drops again

hybrid wren
hybrid wren
thick needle
unborn wadi
hybrid wren
#

i enjoyed sg. just haven't had much time to cause chaos over there 😬

hollow lily
crimson bloom
# thick needle I'm convinced they tweaked the loot system or opened up the feeders and broke en...

This wouldn't surprise me. I started tracking dates of enhancive finds last month and I used to hover around 0.5-2 non-pawn fodder ones per day, but haven't found anything since September 17.

At first I assumed it might have just been loot pressure shifting around due to the release of Sailor's Grief, but that seems unlikely since my skin value hasn't changed at all and the overall loot value seems perfectly consistent (e.g. average silver per box, average gains per hunt); it's very specifically the enhancives that seem to be absent.

Edit: Actually, wait, it's even more drastic than I'm making it out. I was only paying attention to good enhancives because that's what I track, but now that I'm thinking about it, I don't recall finding any enhancives in the last couple weeks. 🤔

thick needle
#

This was it:
#general-announcements message

jagged spoke
#

I am mostly hunting ME and I can say average gains per hunt are significantly down... of course it's too early to tell and last month we had less loot pressure because of DR.

thick needle
#

Got really excited because I found a rolaren handaxe this morning, and maybe my fears were totally unfounded!

But Just kidding - 18k at the pawn.

glacial star
#

I can’t remember the last time I found anything I had to sing to

fading imp
#

The new normal, any enhancive is now rare feeder only!

atomic stump
#

i have also not found any enhancives in the last few weeks, which is unusual since i loot boost when looking for gemstones.

foggy forge
#

Also if people can stop skinning the undead horses for a while that would be great.

jagged spoke
#

If I can't make my own little skull fort in the library Imma be very sad.

thick needle
#

Found an imbeddible rod today, worth 15k. Big day

untold rain
#

Looking at the last 2 days, 92 enhancive items were generated in the game via what we call the random object generator. I can't check this by area though, I do see a lot of low level enhancive and areas under level 50 when I scan the logs. Are we specifically talking about certain kinds of enhancives?

#

Specifically, it looks like most enhancives I'm seeing are either weapons, armor, or shields.

#

But I do see jewelry. Nothing great, but it is dropping.

fading imp
#

I am scared to ask how many brand new items are generated every day from the treasure system, including gems
item ID 10202030304004404

thick needle
#

The only data i can offer is from my crew….

Since the monthly reset, so no loot cap implications….

more than 8k mobs killed and 2k+ boxes (all from Moonsedge) and i haven’t found a single item worth more than 36k at the pawnshop.

I might actually be up to 9k, but need to check their kill trackers when I’m back in game

#

I’ll have to look back to see how long it’s been since I’ve found one, my gut tells me it’s close to Leafiara’s findings (mid September 9/17-9/20’ish)

but i always kind of assume I’m in soft loot cap territory to close the month and that’s what causes it… so didn’t think anything of it 9/20-9/30

untold rain
#

I think that's a separate concern, which is one someone should look at. I was strictly looking at enhancives dropping. I thought maybe it was a concern about jewelry vs gear. But I see jewelry generating too. It is a lot more gear type items though.

haughty ginkgo
#

Is it dropping from the creature, or in a box, if you can see that level of detail?

crimson bloom
#

How far back can you go? 92 enhancives over 2 days seems pretty low to me when I can usually find 2-4 per day by myself.

Edit: Toward the start of a month, anyway. Slows down a bit toward the end. So I think that comparing October 4-5 to September 4-5 would be revealing.

And from what I see, it seems to be that neither jewelry nor gear are generating >35k value pawnshop items in boxes. It's not exclusively enhancive-related either, but I'm also not seeing things like temp WPS or other properties that would kick up pawnshop value.

haughty ginkgo
#

I'm not even finding enhancive weapons/armor in boxes. I have a feeling ONLY creature dropped enhancives are spawning

thick needle
#

Checking my logs.... the last time I found an item worth more than 35k at the pawn was on 9/21.

#

I guess a good benchmark could be "how many enhancives drop in a typical month" - that would give a benchmark against whether the 92 you see out there is a trendworthy or not.

Even better if there's a way to see "how many enhancives drop typically the first week of a month", with fresh loot cap resets

untold rain
#

We are looking at it though.

#

When I jumped in, it was mostly about the comment in #game-chatter about no enhancives dropping. I don't think this is anything to do with enhancives though. I think it's something to do with valuable item drops, which enhancives will absolutely cause. No stealth nerf or anything like that. It has to be a system that got released/updated sometime in September (we pinpointed mid September as well) that has impacted treasure in some way at the top. The bottom is still fine.

#

And there are still valuable drops at the top. I saw Ithzir, triton, and Rift creatures all being armed with randomly generated objects that were enhancives and worth more than 35k in October. I only looked at the places I'm very familiar with.

thick needle
#

I did just get an enhancive from a sybil lockbox. Nothing from the ridiculous amount of hunting i've done from the reset though


It is a magical item which could be imbedded with a spell.
It has 0 charges.  It is rechargeable.
It could be activated by waving it.
It will disintegrate after its last magical charge has been expended.
It is an enhancive item:
    It provides a boost of 3 to Strength Base.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 8 times.
    It seems to have a huge number of enhancive charges remaining.
It will crumble into dust after its last enhancive charge has been expended.
It is a small item, under a pound.
It is estimated to be worth about 100,000 silvers.
It has a permanently unlocked loresong by you.```
whole zinc
#

I have a theory…

#

What if the loot system has a bottleneck on production of higher value items where it stops releasing after XXX amount are in the hopper but undiscovered. IE: boxes… specifically boxes that are in the smith pool and haven’t been opened (as in players who take long breaks from the game)

#

So it’s detecting… XXX have been released and is unable to produce more until XXX have been removed from boxes or creatures (that are in hidden rooms undiscovered by players that have no exit, retser once told me about blank rooms on osa ships that cannot be exited and created false enemy counts for the listen command. There are a ton of rooms in SG and ME undiscovered by players yet that may fit this category)

untold rain
#

There is no hopper. It's all just a roll. Future items don't know that previous items released exist ever. GM created items are the only hoppers.

whole zinc
#

Ahhh ok well that clears that up then… someone slipped a decimal in the wrong spot then.

#

Or… RNG rules the day and we are all just statistically unlucky

glacial star
#

I checked my logs and it was Sep 17th last time I appraised an enhancive over 35k, 5/6 of my characters exclusively hunt Ascension areas and one hunts Nelemar

untold rain
#

The only release that added new creature content was Sailor's Grief. But seems it became something around the middle of September. So we're going through anything that could have impacted it at the upper levels. Anything under cap seems fine.

#

As far as cap is concerned, anything level 90 and below.

mortal galleon
hexed depot
#

Kontii should get a 30 day 100% scroll. He has fixed loot for us twice now!!

thick needle
#

I mean, i didn't fix anything. I just came and started crying about loot. Kind of embarrassing on my part 😳

whole zinc
#

I mean… saying that GS mechanics aren’t complicated is just silly.

untold rain
#

None of us did anything yet. Is it better?

#

We're just eating our spaghetti trying to find the end of the bowl

fading imp
#

Force a test enhancive into the system to be sure....
+99 to all stats pinworn, someone will notice it
(zero charges and is not rechargeable.....)

whole zinc
#

Imagine the heart attack that will proceed finding this..

fading imp
thick needle
#

Definitely not fixed... Jinsem just has that much faith in you guys!

hexed depot
#

So what youre saying is loot cap reset after its fixed...

thick needle
#

What did we just break in Moonsedge?

Candles gloriously illuminate the polished stone surfaces of the castle's grand hall, a cavernous chamber that proceeds to the east and west.  There are dozens adorning a singularly immense chandelier that hangs overhead, a three-tiered confection of gold and ruby.  Huge marble floor tiles reflect the honeyed light, save at the center of the room, where jeweled tesserae form a mosaic of the house's briar sprig and rising moon sigil.  Ahead, massive double doors open onto a stone passage.  You also see an ashen patrician vampire, an infernal death knight, an infernal death knight, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer that is lying down, an infernal death knight that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a horned basalt grotesque that is lying down, an infernal death knight, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an ashen patrician vampire, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer that is lying down, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a spiraling ghostly rift, an unearthly silvery blue globe, an infernal death knight, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, a horned basalt grotesque, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast that appears stunned, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an infernal death knight, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a horned basalt grotesque, an infernal death knight that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee and a flickering mist-wreathed banshee.
Also here: the body of Iceberrie who is lying down```
unborn wadi
#

heard you guys wanted more spawns, we gotchyu

#

i mean he did say he was planning to buff the other areas 😅

shut jungle
#

Yeah is this a case of "be careful what you wish for?" because I just got completely destroyed in a room that had about 20 critters in it.

#

Oh looks like I underestimated that slightly, went back through my log...40 critters in one room.

thick needle
#

I loved it... was wild. Would be cool if we had a witching hour once a week like this, lol

shut jungle
#

Yeah if this becomes a regular thing I'll have to change up how I hunt, I definately wasn't prepared for 40 critters in one room.

thick needle
#

same... caught me WAY off guard

But i also would be shocked if this became a regular thing. Super unfriendly for 99% of players

fading imp
#

Do we even know if it is a "thing" or just a confluence of MA armies around at the same time plus provokes?

arctic elk
tall dawn
#

No, this was on me. Been trying to track down a long-standing issue with how creatures are generated, and my fix worked... when there weren't multiple players in areas.

covert quest
#

That’s sit up in your chair numbers of critters and hope you remember where your “Use Everything Now!” hotkeys are.

drifting sedge
#

There was an invasion storyline in TV long ago (15-20 years) that did this regularly. All the hunting grounds got filled with huge numbers of critters each night.

drifting sedge
thick needle
hollow lily
thick needle
#

Looking back at my logs... looks like the room that got me had 47 creatures in it:

Candles gloriously illuminate the polished stone surfaces of the castle's grand hall, a cavernous chamber that proceeds to the east and west.  There are dozens adorning a singularly immense chandelier that hangs overhead, a three-tiered confection of gold and ruby.  Huge marble floor tiles reflect the honeyed light, save at the center of the room, where jeweled tesserae form a mosaic of the house's briar sprig and rising moon sigil.  Ahead, massive double doors open onto a stone passage.  
You also see a horned basalt grotesque, an infernal death knight, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast that is lying down, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an ashen patrician vampire, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a spiraling ghostly rift, an unearthly silvery blue globe, an infernal death knight that is lying down, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire, a horned basalt grotesque that is lying down, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast that appears stunned, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an infernal death knight, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an ashen patrician vampire, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed that is lying down, a horned basalt grotesque that is lying down, an infernal death knight that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, an ashen patrician vampire, an ashen patrician vampire, a gaudy phantasmic conjurer, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, an ashen patrician vampire that is lying down, a flickering mist-wreathed banshee and a flickering mist-wreathed banshee.```
unborn wadi
#

just another boom or bust day in ME 😁

crimson bloom
#

Peak GS.

jagged spoke
#

I would have happily died trying to murder that horde

exotic quest
#

just warcry cry all, cman bullrush, whirl, wblade, shield throw, and bam, that whole mob is dead.

#

wait. there's grotesque. nevermind. pass.

jagged spoke
#

See you eviscerate the grotesque, toss a 435, followed by wblade and a flurry, then go right back into that setup again cause in 10s you can wblade again.

And by the time they're all dead, you can coup the grotesque. Easy peasy.

exotic quest
#

well see what i do is jab to lower the shield, then warcry it, then tackle it, then thrash it, warcry it again, then bearhug it

jagged spoke
#

that's.... a lot of things.

haughty ginkgo
#

Are spawns back to being bad, or is it better? I'm sad I missed the invasions!

fallen pulsar
stiff grove
#

evoke? X_x

fallen pulsar
#

Pretty safe in a room with 47 creatures!

stiff grove
#

yeah but... there's no reason to. it does nothing other than also maybe kill the warrior trying to warcry 😄

fallen pulsar
#

Yeah, in a room of 47 creatures I want to hit as many as possible at once.

stiff grove
#

evoke hits exactly the same number of targets. they got rid of this for exactly this reason lol

fallen pulsar
#

Oh, I thought it gave you 2 extra targets for some reason. Ha, been using that for years when the room is massively full.

stiff grove
#

it was like that for a little bit initially after the multi target change and eveyrone was like "well i'm just going to keep evoking" so they just dumped it lol

fallen pulsar
#

Good to know, I'll stop doing that...

stiff grove
#

and just cause citing:
#mechanics message - this was the intiial announcement that had the evoke stuff when it was released on the test realm (clarifying for anyone randomly looking here in the future somehow)

https://gswiki.play.net/Multi-target_spell/saved_posts - the saved post from when it was released from test to live dropped the evoke getting extra targets verbiage, didn't even make it to the live game

mortal galleon
exotic quest
#

I just like the idea of bull rushing a mob of 47 creatures, just doing the whole Kirk throw your body at them Judo move then screaming like a maniac

thick needle
untold rain
#

Nothing, we'll mention something when we discover an issue. We've added additional tracking to measure a few other things. The problem is, nothing changed in any system that deals with randomly created loot, so it's some sort of behavior that changed vs a script edit. Hoping we have some better ideas tomorrow. We have to run the tracking for the day. If this happened at the end of July, we could point to the feeders. And the feeders are still working just fine.

thick needle
#

thanks, appreciate the update!

Feels like you guys are stuck trying to find a needle in the haystack on this one, since nothing was intentionally changed within the loot system in the last few months

untold rain
#

It's a weird issue because nothing has changed in the code. So we have to look at what system is interacting with it that might be pulling numbers away. Items are still created, and enhancives are still dropping. It would be better if nothing dropped so we could have a clearer sense of the issue.

thick needle
#

Right, that makes sense.

untold rain
#

We're running a few tests right now, hoping we can get a clearer picture after the tests conclude.

glacial star
# 

The pin resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
    It provides a boost of 5 to Aura Base.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 30 times.
    It provides a boost of 2 to Two Weapon Combat Ranks.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 10 times.
    It provides a boost of 6 to Stalking and Hiding Ranks.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 49 times.
    It provides a boost of 2 to Combat Maneuvers Ranks.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 10 times.
    The pin looks to have a lot of charges remaining.

You sense that the studded mithril pin will crumble into dust after its last enhancive charge has been expended.

Roundtime: 9 sec.```I found this today... admittedly not certain on what mob, but from SG. Saw it in my cloak and just sung to it. Why all ranks tho 🙁
whole zinc
crimson bloom
# 
Armor [4]: some gleaming rolaren arm greaves, some mithril arm greaves, a gleaming glaes helm, an old glaes aventail```
Hmm. At absolute least, I'm suddenly finding gear in boxes again. Now to see if any of it actually worth anything...

Edit: Yep! The armor pieces are junk, but the war hammer has 11 Influence and the crossbow is sighted.
Edit 2: Also a 4 Strength clasp and a 4 MOC/4 Agility/3 Disarming Traps torc in this batch of 77 boxes!
haughty ginkgo
#

Did the change in loot coincide with the release of SG? I don't remember the dates.

thick needle
cold trail
#

Yeah, but it could be some weird interaction between loot pressure and the loot generation system and the release of a new hunting area. Complicated systems are complicated! It could be a thousand things. That's pure speculation on my part, of course, but this is the internet, and speculating is what we do here.

naive tinsel
#

Could this be why I wasn't fiinding any boxes in the hive either? Maybe my luck is poor.

naive tinsel
#

nevermind, i found one. 😂

thick needle
#

It does seem that it was fixed yesterday afternoon/evening

stiff grove
crimson bloom
# thick needle It does seem that it was fixed yesterday afternoon/evening

So it seemed... for one hunt, but I've been back to nothing since. 😬
But hope springs eternal. Maybe it's fixed today!

Edit: Well, actually, I partially take that back. I've still at least been finding 35k+ pawnshop things like a faewood runestaff or vultite studded leather, which is a step up above two days ago, but they only hit that number because of enchant/material/AsG. Properties like enhancives and WPS have vanished once more.

thick needle
haughty ginkgo
#

I'd be curious to see if turning off loot pressure would fix it. (Or at least turn it off in ascension hunting areas.)

# 
You ask the gemcutter to appraise a dreamstone inset platinum necklace.
The gemcutter says, "Sorry, X, I'm not buying anything this valuable today.  Maybe tomorrow."

Oh hey, something finally set off my valuable alarm.


The necklace resonates with your voice, indicating that it enhances its owner in the following ways:
    It provides a boost of 4 to Influence Bonus.
    This enhancement may not be used by adventurers who have not trained 24 times.
    The necklace looks to have more than your average giantman could count charges remaining.

You sense that the inset platinum necklace will crumble into dust after its last enhancive charge has been expended.
thick needle
haughty ginkgo
thick needle
#

Pretty similar #'s here. I think i found 2 or 3 similar items last night and this morning, before it reverted

crimson bloom
#

Openng a pile of 96 boxes now, albeit from the Hinterwilds. Moment of truth coming up.

crimson bloom
#

Nothing. Highest value was a 27k runestaff.

untold rain
#

There hasn't actually been a fix put in place. We're still running tests and reviewing the data.

silent violet
#

Combo'd in Moonsedge!

An infernal death knight crouches and sweeps a leg at you!
[SMR result: 125 (Open d100: 88, Bonus: 11)]
You fall to the ground! An infernal death knight deftly regains his footing.
You are struck by an acute sense of vulnerability.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
The interruption causes your momentum to stop.
An infernal death knight reaches up with a skeletal hand and lifts his skull from where it hovers over the bony ruin of his neck.  The spectral flames wreathing it flare white hot as he hurls the skull away.  Without warning, it conflagrates violently, the hungry fire roaring outward in a great arc!
Sensing an impending attack, you manage to roll hard to the side, and then leap to your feet!
[SMR result: 252 (Open d100: 203, Bonus: 1)]
Cerulean flames reach for you, their lapping tongues cruelly burning and searing your flesh!
   ... 65 points of damage!
   Back burnt to the bone.  Smoke curls up from what's left of you.
You notice your blood flow go back to normal.
The deep blue glow leaves you.```
thick needle
#

And an open roll on the 2nd… wham bam thank you ma’am

tall dawn
#

Oof.

whole zinc
#

Mmmm backstrap musta been nice and medium rare…

#

Also interesting to note that your blood flow went back to normal. lol

jagged spoke
#

That happens when you bleed out so much the tank gets low.

silent violet
#

Oh she died

wise plover
#

and blamed me

whole zinc
#

Blamed you or… you were to blame?

jagged spoke
thick needle
#

Just something I noticed.... The Grotesques being left behind - that seems like it's a village thing.

I never really see them build up in the castle.
I went to the village for like 5 minutes today to find a banshee (couldn't find one in the castle), and almost comically, there were like 10 grotesques running around. I cleaned up the ones I saw while I was there... but wow. It may as well have been a village of grotesques

pale sandal
jagged spoke
#

Golem tasks are the easiest ME task because they always leave the golems behind.

stiff grove
#

You don’t like running around looking for the 2 conjurers spread out in 68 rooms?

pale sandal
#

Vampires seem to be the absolute worst for me, followed by conjurers

#

ghasts, grotesques, dreadsteeds are always the quickest.

jagged spoke
#

Ghasts take me the longest. I can never find enough.

fallen pulsar
#

I took a break from Moonsedge for a bit. I got to say the swarms in HW, especially the forest and gigas areas are a lot of fun. Every once in a while it would get really swarmy in the castle and it was great, but it's like this all the time up here.

I'll be back of course, because I can't stand not having a pawnshop available when I'm not fairly deep into soft treasure cap.

crimson bloom
#

EG pawnshop access so good!

eager jasper
#

spawn rate in ME is excellent now (at least that's how it feels) as a solo hunter

#

not sure if the test changes were made live or if it's just placebo but it feels different

tall dawn
#

Nope.

untold rain
#

Just to follow up here. Part of the feeder check right now is to also see what treasure is looking like. We introduced just something to record some data for us. No code in the feeder was adjusted, but we had to force some items out so we had a baseline.

mortal galleon
#

oh of course doing the testing while I am under the knife, how rude

eager jasper
#

that's so weird- I was like a mob magnet yesterday. Just camping in a room and getting swarmed.

foggy forge
#

Why does HW produce more treasure than ME? Is it due to HW having more zones, more creature types, both?

fading imp
#

Gigas went to college, undead only got GED Are undead usually poorer than living?

foggy forge
#

Maybe, but that sounds discriminatory to me.

fading imp
#

I actually do not hunt undead 90% of my GS career so don't quote me.

pale sandal
foggy forge
#

No I think it’s because of an anti-undeadite faction at work. The undead deserve treasure too

HW seems busier than ME whenever make the journey out there

pale sandal
hybrid wren
thick needle
#

I am loving Moonsedge with the spawn changes

frosty bluff
#

HW critter levels top out a bit higher as well, which results in slightly better loot, all else equal

jagged spoke
#

My rogue loves it, my cleric is strugglebusing LOL

hazy mountain
#

Undead in HW have the most loot

forest ice
# 
  AS: +930 vs DS: +632 with AvD: +28 + d100 roll: +75 = +401
   ... and hit for 99 points of damage!
   Crushing blow to head closes that eye for good.
   The death knight is stunned!```
Feels good when you have sword hymn, item supercharger, and witchhunter ascendancy going.
thick needle
#

i think i'm going to equip witchhunters and just work it into my routine anytime i see a mob

#

my other legendary has Blood Boil on it though, and I really dont want to lose that

crimson bloom
#

I thought Blood Boil doesn't work on the undead, though, and Moonsedge is mostly that?

thick needle
crimson bloom
#

Oh, interesting... back on my good list it goes. 😮

forest ice
# 
  AS: +484 vs DS: +64 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +88 = +549
   ... and hits for 126 points of damage!
   Hard slash to the halfling child's side!
   Right arm no longer available for use.
The child falls to the ground, dead!```
Womp womp
tall dawn
#

The good news is that Moonsedge necromancy can fix almost anything.

thick needle
#

Foreshadowing….

Possessed kids freak me out. New boss creature for Moonsedge isn’t going to be Barlan Kane.

It’s going to be an army of undead kids that swarm

Creepy ambients from them like:
“why did you skip that bounty task?”

tall dawn
# 
A horned basalt grotesque snatches up a severed ghast leg!
A horned basalt grotesque hefts a severed ghast leg in a carved claw and swings it at you!```
#

Something to be said for using every part of your comrades, I guess.

jagged spoke
#

Teamwork does make the dream work.

naive anvil
# 
A flickering mist-wreathed banshee's eyes glow with silvery grey light, and then everything around you shimmers to match the argentine color.
  CS: +439 - TD: +404 + CvA: -26 + d100: +6 == +15
  Warded off!
  With a faint flicker, the Defense of the Faithful fades away.```
```A flickering mist-wreathed banshee lifts a slender hand and points unerringly at you!
  CS: +456 - TD: +398 + CvA: -26 + d100: +81 == +113
  Warding failed!
A thread of swirling gray magic issues forth from the mist-wreathed banshee toward you.  It coils itself around your body, whirling malevolently before disappearing within you.
You Defense of the Faithful```

Something weird is going on with banshees and 1608
whole zinc
#

Looks like it was dispelled

naive anvil
#

Neither of those are dispels, the second one is itchy curse.

Not sure what the argentine one is but I warded it so there should be no dispel.

#

Ah, it's 1615. No interactions with 1608 on that

wise plover
# 
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
  AS: +673 vs DS: +349 with AvD: +27 + d100 roll: +96 = +447
   ... and hit for 146 points of damage!
   Horrible slash to the death knight's head!  Brain matter goes flying!
   Looks like she never felt a thing.
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the death knight's body and rises into the heavens.
She clutches at her armored chest.  Her flaming eyes blaze precipitously as white-hot fire erupts from her floating head, consuming it in a burst of blinding light!  The headless corpse sinks to the ground, unmoving.
An infernal death knight seems a bit less imposing.
An infernal death knight looks momentarily uneasy, but quickly recovers.
The guiding force leaves an infernal death knight.

 ** Necrotic energy from your somnis katana overflows into you! **
   You feel energized!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>
Your disk arrives, following you dutifully.
You search the death knight.
She had a ruby-pommeled steel katana.
You discard the knight's remaining useless equipment.
She didn't carry any silver.
She had nothing of interest.
Groans and cracks emanate from an infernal death knight's armor as it suddenly succumbs to metal fatigue.  Within seconds, her skeletal form collapses into blanched powder and blows away.
[You have been awarded 3 Long Term Experience!]
>```

Interesting finding a katana off them of all things....
stiff grove
#

death knight samurai

tall dawn
#

Nice.

foggy forge
#

These ghasts are landing their stink breath way too often since the changes. One of them seems to have resulted in a crit kill somehow.

glacial star
#

Unless their hidden sorc CS was increased, you're just noticing the effect of potentially more ghasts being around

foggy forge
#

I'd imagine that CS bumped up as part of the CA changes. There doesn't seem to have been a huge increase in population in my hunts.

glacial star
#

I don't think a CS increase is meant to have been part of the CA changes but I am also too lazy to find Auchand's posts to confirm that

foggy forge
#

thanks cross-posted in that thread.

glacial star
#

For anyone who doesn't catch it - yes, mobs gain +3 CS for each person in your group beyond 1.

pale sandal
#

Kind of funny, but by the time I am up to 8 on creeping dread these days I'm tapped on mana so it is not as big of a deal.

steel whale
#

I saved it for the Wiki, but waiting on the GM post of CA - #1437571971079606352 message

naive anvil
#

Does the CS increase only apply to targets that are grouped, or do they spawn with it when they multi-spawn for groups and keep it?

last panther
naive anvil
eager jasper
#

banshees cast grasp of grave now? hearing it on ESP

steel whale
#

I'll keep an eye out

tall dawn
#

If they don't, what a great idea.

shut jungle
#

Is this whole aura shield thingie something new to Moonsedge or or is it part of CA now?

tall dawn
#

It's Champion's Apotheosis.

eager jasper
#

hmm so if I start a rumor it gives him ideas...

#

SOOooo ya, I heard that the door in ME just sort opens on its own now? Crazy!

steel whale
glacial star
# 
She had a ruby-pommeled vaalorn backsword.```This is a very vampire-like sword to spawn with, I like it
tall dawn
#

That's very cool.

thick needle
#

Nothing like a double open roll..... and a triple roll on one of them - yowza:

An infernal death knight reaches up with a skeletal hand and lifts his skull from where it hovers over the bony ruin of his neck.  The spectral flames wreathing it flare white hot as he hurls the skull away.  Without warning, it conflagrates violently, the hungry fire roaring outward in a great arc!
[SMR result: 191 (Open d100: 139)]
Cerulean flames reach for Wizard, their lapping tongues cruelly burning and searing his flesh!
A dark leather aketon trimmed with white wolf fur partially deflects the onslaught of the fiery attack.
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Nasty burns to right leg.  Gonna need lots of butter.
   He is knocked to the ground!
   He is stunned!
[SMR result: 127 (Open d100: 92)]
Cerulean flames reach for Paladin, their lapping tongues cruelly burning and searing his flesh!
   ... 6 points of damage!
   Burst of flames to right arm burns skin bright red.
The evanescent shield shrouding Cleric flares to life and thickens to create a substantial buffer around him.
[SMR result: 0 (Open d100: -83)]
Cleric manages to dodge the raging inferno, and it passes harmlessly by him!
[SMR result: 73 (Open d100: 82, Penalty: 3)]
You manage to dodge the raging inferno, and it passes harmlessly by!
[SMR result: 89 (Open d100: 68)]
Bard manages to dodge the raging inferno, and it passes harmlessly by him!
[SMR result: 317 (Open d100: 271)]
Cerulean flames reach for Empath, their lapping tongues cruelly burning and searing his flesh!
Empath's wiregrass vambrace pulses briefly, deflecting some of the burning damage!
   ... 70 points of damage!
   Back burnt to the bone.  Smoke curls up from what's left of Empath.

 * Empath drops dead at your feet!```
weary haven
#

Your empath should ask for a refund from that ranger, clearly a defective trinket

thick needle
#

It is very resistant (25%) to fiery attacks.
Would hate to see what the results from that would have been with 0% resistance

cold trail
hexed depot
#

You deserved it. Like me.

[SMR result: 171 (Open d100: 169, Penalty: 3)]
Vile claws slash at you, their touch burning with otherworldly cold!
Your hemp bracelet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the freezing damage!  The bracelet glints one last time, then grows dim.
   ... 20 points of damage!
   You stagger as the icy attack shatters your left leg.
   You are knocked to the ground!
   You are stunned for 4 rounds!
One of the shadowed limbs pulls you close to the rift!
   ... 65 points of damage!
   Chest decompresses violently and explodes in a shower of bone and lung!```

You can come join me back in Nelemar. Its safe here.
thick needle
#

Leafiara has a point.... anyone with MA'ers - free EXP for the clerics! 😆

weary haven
#

Free exp for both!

whole zinc
#

Those rifts are vicious… they seemed to kill rather effectively even before CA

thick needle
#

Auchad.... When you do the ascension reviews..... any chance you can investigate making the sword hymn an area wide buff again, and not have to be present when it's played?

This would be a HUGE quality of life improvement for a lot of folks.

surreal hearth
#

Vampires flying one room over to die is extremely annoying when you are doing "kill 18 vampires" bounties. Seems to happen with every third kill (at least, when I have that bounty!) Is there any way we can get credit for those? Or get rid of the "feature" of vampires flying to the next room only to die?

thick needle
#

There’s a gemstone that prevents that, i think

unborn wadi
#

but also that just needs to be fixed. i think it happens in the pits with something as well, iirc

fallen pulsar
thick needle
haughty ginkgo
fallen pulsar
#

If you're clever you could build a timer into your setup and run back and forth between HW and ME every 25 minutes and more or less maintain it. It becomes a pain in the rear end to do long term but sometimes it's fun

wise plover
# 
You swing a silver-edged somnis katana at an ashen patrician vampire!
An ashen patrician vampire's aura absorbs some of the damage!
  AS: +634 vs DS: +498 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +85 = +259
   ... and hit for 102 points of damage!
   Rapped the knuckles hard!
   Left hand sounds broken.
   The patrician vampire is stunned!

 Divine guidance intensifies your Reckoning!
 ** Darkness gathers around the patrician vampire, speared through by pinpoints of white fire! **
An ashen patrician vampire's aura absorbs some of the damage!
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Flames cook an ashen patrician vampire's chest.  Looks about medium well.

 ** Your somnis katana bursts alight with leaping tongues of holy fire! **
   Consumed by the hallowed flames, an ashen patrician vampire is ravaged for 88 points of damage!
Aghast at the affront of her injury, an ashen patrician vampire's eyes narrow into black slits.  Her body erupts into silvery mist that violently churns southwest!
Roundtime: 2 sec.
JR>.weaponthrash
[Script weaponthrash is running, Esc to cancel, Shift-Esc to pause]
>stance offensive
>weapon thrash
You are now in an offensive stance.
J>
Thrash what?
J>l
[Moonsedge Castle, Library - 32468] (u4577236)
Positioned between two wide picture windows is an ancient Olbin spruce scroll rack.  The scrolls within give off a scent that is both acrid and dry, a strange commingling of sour preservative and dusty old parchment.  Sinuous patterns in scarlet swirl through the window panes, making the rack look as if it is at the center of an eruption of color.
Also here: Lady Opalina
Obvious exits: east, southwest
J>peer sw
You peer southwest and see ...

[Moonsedge Castle, Library - 32468] (u4577236)
Books and neatly stacked scroll tubes cram every crevice of the shelves above and to either side of a yawning fireplace of crimson-shot grey marble in the western wall.  Comical grotesques cavort before the hearth as if in celebration of its majesty, their features wildly varied but similar in that none stand more than a foot tall.  Encircling the fireplace is a ring of comfortably upholstered chairs in the same scarlet and grey hues as the window curtains.  You also see an ashen patrician vampire, a long-haired grey cat that is sitting and a wicker basket of sticks.
Also here: Eladarmi, Kwilee who is kneeling, Diynasta, Lord Towermen, Lord Evellar, Invisia who is kneeling
Obvious exits: northeast```

oof 😕
naive anvil
#

Ran to the safe room 🤣

wise plover
#

hacks!

thick needle
#

Just D/Cd in moonsedge

In case anyone can join my group and fog… would be appreciated

stiff grove
#

Mobile login to website and full logout button to boot yo self

pliant osprey
#

This was from last night but I was too tired to process it, this is from a cast of 610 at a ghast it looks like the hidden pestilence roll got exposed:

  CS: +435 - TD: +397 + CvA: +15 + d100: +66 - +15 == +104
  Warding failed!

A virulent green mist seeps out of a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast's lips toward you, instantly infecting you.  You convulse violently!
   ... 18 points of damage!
   Large portions of right thigh removed in a flash!
   You are stunned for 2 rounds!
Soot brown specks of leaf mold trail in the wake of a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast's movements, distorted by a murky haze.
The vitality of nature bestows you with a burst of strength!
Cast Roundtime 2 Seconds.```
It also had this weird messaging when it was hitting my character:
```You convulseRanger convulses with a crippling affliction causing 1 points of damage!
   ... 8 points of damage!
   Small patches of left forearm disappear into red mist.
The virulent green mist surrounding you disperses.``` It could be an issue with the spell not a bug in ME but that's where I saw it.
silent violet
# 
You have decent positioning against a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast.
  UAF: 617 vs UDF: 595 = 1.036 * MM: 119 + d100: 20 = 143
  ... and hit for 23 points of damage!
  Rapid kick to the chest connects with a dull *THUD*.
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast exhales a virulent green mist toward you, but you are unaffected.
Roundtime: 4 sec.```

Did he just burp at me because I kicked him in the chest? ewww
tall dawn
#

Haha.

#

I feel like their Pestilence so rarely hits anything that it's kind of nice to see it activate.

thick needle
#

When it does hit - it hits hard.
If you don't catch it right away, the damage starts stacking pretty quickly

last panther
#

Yeah unless I react pretty instantaneously it starts to kill me pretty quick. I've died a few times from it in the past week trying to heal up from it.

last panther
#

Im not sure if someone turned up the pestilence rate but definitely leaving ME for a bit. Had multiple deaths from it yesterday where it killed me faster then I could react.

forest ice
#

I don't think I've ever been hit by it, curious what the numbers are

glacial star
#

Yeah same. My KS monk doesn't even get hit by it often. I don't know how it's trucking some people so hard.

last panther
#

Im not sure what stats help offset it or if its a hidden roll to determine strength but it hits sometimes for 20 damage ever other second with rank 1/2 wounds. Albeit a lot of my guys dont have the bloodstone trinket on them so that could help them survive it but it definitely wrecks some havoc sometimes.

glacial star
#

It's a hidden sorc CS vs TD roll from 716. So improving your sorc TD = improving resisting it

weary haven
#

Or just blast ghasts with dispel, I have to imagine you have the capacity with your squad 🙂

last panther
#

I wasn't sure if it was just a normal ability or was a spell they wore. Ill have to try it next time im out there. I think im capable of a dispel or two.

glacial star
silent violet
#

Just another beautiful morning in Moonsedge A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast coils before leaping high into the air in a streak of fraying fabrics and rotting flesh. She hurtles down toward you with incredible force! [SMR result: 198 (Open d100: 176)] A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast collides brutally with you, the force of the impact driving you to the ground! You writhe breathlessly on the ground, exposing a weakness in your defenses. ... 20 points of damage! Solid strike caves your skull in, resulting in instant death! The rush of collective knowledge of the undead fades from your mind.

wise plover
mortal galleon
# 
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 5 seconds.

R>spell act
You currently have the following active effects:
Spells:
Debuffs:
  Slowed .................................. 00:00:12
  Creeping Dread (9) ...................... 00:00:48

You are no longer moving as slowly as you were a moment ago.

Debuffs:
  Creeping Dread (9) ...................... 00:00:35

You rush a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, raising your temporal warstaff high to deliver a sound thrashing!
Roundtime: 1 sec.
Roundtime changed to 3 seconds.
``` Making progress maybe.. "Slowed" shows up as a debuff yes, but still continues on after the debuff allegedly drops off.
stiff grove
#

did you really have no active spells there or were you just being brief?

#

There was and may still be a bug with multiple roundtime modifying effects like i.e. if you had tonis up from someone, i don't know if 506 was also affected, and can't remember if that got fixed. although i think you're ks so, probably really no spells.

mortal galleon
#

just being brief -- no tonis or the like, I am KS so no spells

steel whale
#

Cry all has been missing a lot in Moonsedge

tall dawn
#

?

steel whale
#

He was slowed while using Carn's. Anecdotal lot of misses as of late, but RNG gonna RNG

wise plover
#

oof. Surprised the ranger anklet (25% resist) didn't prevent death here. went from uninjured to dead. (not complaining, just surprised)

  CS: +468 - TD: +404 + CvA: -31 + d100: +100 - -5 == +138
  Warding failed!
You feel a surge of intense energy suddenly tear violently at your body! You feel drained!
 ... and hits for 20 points of damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Minor burns to right eye.  You blink back the tears.
Stirred by your pain, a sensory echo of rejuvenating succor swells within you, prickling your skin with anticipation.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Icy chill to your midriff.  A bowl of nice hot stew would hit the spot right now.
Limned in radiance, a translucent night black shield springs into being between you and your attacker to temper the blow!
Your seagrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 23 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  You'll miss that steady beat.```
forest ice
#

Moonsedge is new favorite place just because my empath can maintain 800+ AS solo thanks to gemstones.

# 
Gemstone 3: a cushion-cut cobalt jewel (equipped) (greater binding)
    * Moonsedge: Organ Enthusiast (Rank 5 of 5)
    * Master Tactician (Rank 5 of 5)
    * Charged Presence


Gemstone 7: a curved carmine jewel (equipped) (greater binding)
    * Flare Resonance (Rank 3 of 5)
Gemstone 8: a jagged iron black jewel (equipped) (greater binding)
    * Ephemera's Extension (Rank 5 of 5)


Gemstone 12: a broken citrine jewel (equipped) (greater binding)
    * Limit Break: Blunt Weapons (Rank 5 of 5)
    * Advanced Spell Shielding (Rank 3 of 3)
See GEM SLOTS ALL to view your equipped Gemstones.```
silent violet
# 
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast collides brutally with you, the force of the impact driving you to the ground!  You writhe breathlessly on the ground, exposing a weakness in your defenses.
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Solid strike caves your skull in, resulting in instant death!
The rush of collective knowledge of the undead fades from your mind.```
#

Just another morning in Moons-{onthe}-Edge!

thick needle
#

silver lining.... it made it quick, instead of giving you 45 seconds of RT and watching it plink away at you 😬

wise plover
# 
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.
The dull golden nimbus surrounding you flares into life as it glows brightly for a moment.
  CS: +462 - TD: +404 + CvA: -31 + d100: +77 - -5 == +109
  Warding failed!
You feel a surge of intense energy suddenly tear violently at your body! You feel drained!
 ... and hits for 10 points of damage!
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Burst of flames to left leg burns skin bright red.
Stirred by your pain, a sensory echo of rejuvenating succor swells within you, prickling your skin with anticipation.
   ... 1 point of damage!
   Brrrr!  That was a good hit to the left leg!  Knocked you silly.
Your seagrass anklet pulses briefly, deflecting some of the electrical damage!
   ... 22 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  You'll miss that steady beat.```

Meh... guessing just bad luck lately. though bothersome the ranger trinket didn't prevent death again so low warding roll = death and not much else can do to up the TD.  😕
silent violet
#

I just think these WILD open Roles are getting bigger and bigger and bigger!

A wave of icy blue ethereal ripples moves outward from an infernal death knight.
[SMR result: 439 (Open d100: 300, Bonus: 124)]
You are buffeted by the icy blue ethereal waves and are pinned in place, unable to move.
   ... 20 points of damage!
   Slivers of ice slice your throat into ribbons of flesh and blood!
Briefly chilling your skin, hoarfrost spreads like a blue plague across every inch of your body, but soon melts and evaporates from the heat of your flesh.```
#

THIS was icing on the cake:
An infernal death knight's flaming head twists toward you in his moment of triumph, his bared teeth looking like a malevolent grin.

thick needle
#

+300 roll.... ouch

wise plover
# 
[script done]
Diffuse radiance haloes your somnis katana as you lunge at an ashen patrician vampire in a quick and vicious strike!
You swing a silver-edged somnis katana at an ashen patrician vampire!
  AS: +699 vs DS: +447 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +96 = +386
   ... and hit for 218 points of damage!
   Powerful slash!
   The patrician vampire's left leg is severed at the knee!
   An ashen patrician vampire falls to the ground grasping his mangled left leg!
The vampire's shadow stretches, long and hideous and tinged the color of blood.  The darkness rips free and dissipates with a sound like the susurration of countless leathery wings.
An ashen patrician vampire's lightless eyes go wide.  A shriek of rage and horror builds in his throat but never escapes.  He collapses, lifeless as a puppet with its strings cut, as the vestiges of otherworldly beauty retreat to reveal a corpse rapidly succumbing to decay.
Roundtime: 2 sec.
R>;eloot
--- Lich: eloot active.
[eloot]>loot #324227410
You search the patrician vampire.
He didn't carry any silver.
He had a blue-white frost opal on him!
He had nothing else of value.```

There.. a 300+ roll for Opal (and of course getting the opal gem made me think of her hehe)  ❤️
tribal swallow
#

Is playing the organ a secret? I don't see anything about where or how on wiki.

forest ice
# tribal swallow Is playing the organ a secret? I don't see anything about where or how on wiki.

For the Moonsedge Organ, there is a 25 minute cooldown once it's played successfully. There's a 5 minute cooldown if played unsuccessfully. When a bard plays, everyone gets a 20 minute hymn. If a non bard plays, it's 15 minutes. Learning instruments helps increase your success. Apprentice level in all skills seems to lead to about 55-65% success. Adept (bard master) in all skills leads to about 85-90% success.
https://gswiki.play.net/Category:Moonsedge_creatures
It's PLAY ORGAN in the room with the organ.

silent violet
# 
[SMR result: 234 (Open d100: 229)]
   ... 25 points of damage!
   Fire burns through neck and destroys carotid artery.  Painfully bloody way to die.
You lose your extra internal fortitude.```
wise plover
# 
With an expert flourish of her veil iron rapier, an ashen patrician vampire charges forward, trying to skewer you!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.
A suit of star-flecked somnis plate partially deflects the onslaught of the puncture attack.
  AS: +566 vs DS: +395 with AvD: -3 + d100 roll: +19 = +187
   ... and hits for 1 point of damage!
   Thrust catches your chin.
  Leaves an impression but no cut.

 ** Your aura unleashes a blast of divine retribution at the patrician vampire! **

   ... 30 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  Fibrillation can be fun.
The vampire's shadow stretches, long and hideous and tinged the color of blood.  The darkness rips free and dissipates with a sound like the susurration of countless leathery wings.
An ashen patrician vampire's lightless eyes go wide.  A shriek of rage and horror builds in her throat but never escapes.  She collapses, lifeless as a puppet with its strings cut, as the vestiges of otherworldly beauty retreat to reveal a corpse rapidly succumbing to decay.
Darkness punctuated by a constellation of starry pinpoints wells up around an ashen patrician vampire and splinters away with a sound like shattering crystal.
A series of purple lines suddenly appears on an ashen patrician vampire's face, quickly racing towards the center of her forehead before detaching and dissipating in the air.

I love my armor 😛

forest ice
#

It's beautiiful

image.png
tall dawn
#

FWIW, I map all my areas. 😛

forest ice
# tall dawn Wuzzat.

Moonsedge map with the crypt added instead of separate. The current lich map players use have the crypt and castle grounds on different maps

silent violet
forest ice
weary haven
#

Trolled by low resolution, brutal

silent violet
#

But there's so much more!!!

#

How do we get to the room Past the bone lady with the keys . When is the underground assuming thats not water opening! What does the grey highlight mean in your view is there a difference between the Grey scale in the castle and outside the castle? And what about the ribeye steak place!! Thats not on the map.

stiff grove
#

grey is indoors, white is outside (it matches for in the castle and all the rooms in the main area / crawling shore), blue are the water rooms, off the quarters is the locked door we've never been able to figure out. i think he has another room off the organ too though

silent violet
#

in doors vs outdoors yes... that's right there are buildings out in the courtyard wasn't positive... you think it's water? because it's not linking to the water, I guess it could be because it goes under the troll bridge. but it didn't seem to connect to the osa bit .. Your probably right and it't not connected to the underground entrance just off the trail there.

frosty bluff
#

Did we always know about the crypt area? It was new to me - hadn’t discovered it on my own, and it wasn’t on the map

stiff grove
#

yes, it just didn't get added to the first visual map and no one cared to add it, so it got thrown up as a seperate map eventually

it wasn't in the mapdb for i dunno, the first week or two after release i can't remember if just cause no one added it or because the mapdb was locked and tilmen needed to approve it since it i think has a non-standard entrance, i can't remember

#

hrm, no regular entrance maybe we were just lazy or the map was locked for another approval 😄

should just shrink down the existing dedicated map and make a new version of the old one that just has it copied there. put some little masking tape clipart over the seam

steel whale
#

I like that one. SG was uggo

tall dawn
sharp cobalt
rough lily
#

My Moonsedge Dark Map disappeared. And the new white map is hurting my eyes. Who is responsible for this?

sharp cobalt
fading imp
#

there was a crypt this whole time?? How come no one told me 👀

weary haven
#

I only found it because of TRACK

fading imp
#

Kind of makes you wonder if other ascension zones got hidden rooms, like Myharl's disappearing Wyrm conspiracy...

tribal swallow
#

Where is the organ on that map?

sharp cobalt
#

;go2 organ 😄

tribal swallow
#

That's as likely to dump me in the trysting room in the abandoned inn but ill be trusting...

wise plover
#

i thought everybody knew of the crypt and the other things. only thing i dont know is the secret door still though allegedly figured out by somebody

mortal galleon
thick needle
#

none of us can figure out the puzzle.... the door acts funny when you whisper to it - people have tried thousands of different prompts. Scoured all of Moonsedge for clues to no avail

it's in 32477

fading imp
#

Have you guys tried "Rosebud"?

steel whale
#

We didn't mention the Crypt because it has a reference to the Griffin Sword and explains a lot so Alosaka left it off the map as a puzzle

foggy forge
#

Need less puzzles in my life

hardy dragon
uneven lance
#

so is someone going to feed the gsiv wiki to an LLM and have it talk to the door for 4,000 hours

tall dawn
#

giggles at "Raven Loft" as always.

wise plover
# 
Your luminous wings unleash a devastating surge of blinding light, scorching the air as radiant energy detonates outward.
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 247 (Open d100: 100, Bonus: 68)]
The air bubbles with intense heat, boiling a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast's skin and enveloping her in a brilliant white glow!
   ... 46 points of damage!
   Exposure to superheated steam renders left leg useless but fat-free!
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast exhales the last of a virulent green mist.
You blinded a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast!
[SMR result: 161 (Open d100: 72, Bonus: 2)]
The air bubbles with intense heat, boiling a flickering mist-wreathed banshee's form and enveloping her in a brilliant white glow!
   ... 20 points of damage!
   A fine strike pins the right leg for an instant.
   The mist-wreathed banshee looks miffed.
A shadow seems to detach itself from a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, swiftly dissipating into the air.
You blinded a flickering mist-wreathed banshee!
[SMR result: 155 (Open d100: 62, Bonus: 5)]
The air bubbles with intense heat, boiling a flickering mist-wreathed banshee's form and enveloping her in a brilliant white glow!
   ... 26 points of damage!
   Massive blow strikes the mist-wreathed banshee and drives it back!
   Good thing those ribs aren't made of bone.
A shadow seems to detach itself from a flickering mist-wreathed banshee, swiftly dissipating into the air.
You blinded a flickering mist-wreathed banshee!
Cast Roundtime 3 Seconds.```

Wings work well in Moonsedge 😛
#

weird (not encumbered at all)

Daylight filters uncertainly through stained glass windows that dominate the eastern wall, stained fiercely red by the colored panes.  The windows illuminate a raised dais on which are set tables and seats that watch over the hall.  To the north, the high ceilings rise in parallel with a series of steps that climb toward an ostentatious chamber.  No less grand is a jeweled archway to the east.  Opposite the steps is a smaller, less impressive arch framing the entrance to the kitchens.  You also see a copper lockpick, a simple cherrywood strongbox, a jeweled iron strongbox and a massive black ora sword adorned with a trio of blue-black diamonds.
Obvious exits: north, south, west
>get first strong
You are unable to hold the number of items that a simple cherrywood strongbox would add.
>get second strong
>
You are unable to hold the number of items that a jeweled iron strongbox would add.
>```

also... 
You are unable to hold the number of items that a small platinum nugget would add.  (no encumbrance)

and


You are unable to hold the number of items that a heavy quartz orb would add.

not related to the Fash'lo'nae talisman thingie from Simucoin is it or ME bugged atm?
foggy forge
weary haven
#

INV QUANTITY. Not sure what this has to do with Moonsedge though. Very obviously you're at the item quantity limit, as the error indicates

wise plover
#

apparently it doesn't like my herb sack anymore. bugitemed' it and got an assist and just have my bard holding it for now

foggy forge
#

Is it full of herbs you’re already maxed on? I’ve had that happen before

wise plover
# 
Magic Items [1]: a turbid aquamarine potion
Total items: 1
  The sack contains DOSEs of the following solid herbs: acantha (125), ambrominas (108), wolifrew (24), basal (78), ephlox (100), aloeas (44), pothinir (92), cactacae (110), torban (24), haphip (112), calamia (112), woth (24), sovyn (24).  The sack contains TINCTUREs of the following liquid herbs: wolifrew (123), rose-marrow (135), basal (40), ephlox (28), bolmara (150), aloeas (104), pothinir (42), torban (125), haphip (23), talneo (124), calamia (21), woth (126), brostheras (147), wingstem (134), bur-clover (150), sovyn (125).```
#

though to be fair, i went ahead and sold my gems I was hoarding for my bard to sing to later and dropped from 461 to 134 items just now. And apparently that suddenly lets me get a bank note.

weary haven
#

It was definitely the gems and not the herb kit, lol

wise plover
#

didn't think i had that many gems on me!

woeful summit
# 
[SMR result: 292 (Open d100: 277, Penalty: 3)]
   ... 53 points of damage!
   Flames engulf you.  Chest left a smoldering ruin.
The very powerful look leaves you.```

![SadHorse](https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/867227172887855147.webp?size=128 "SadHorse")
thick needle
#

The very powerful look leaves you.... Forever

silent violet
wise plover
fast solstice
valid hearth
winter pecan
# fast solstice Alexa, Enhance!! 

**“Design Review”**

And the small text below it likely says:

**“DB”**

So the full box is probably:

Design Review
DB


### Why I'm fairly confident

* The **two-line layout** matches common architecture diagrams.
* The **letter shapes** match “Design Review” when enhanced (the first word length and the tall characters line up).
* The **two-letter bottom label** clearly resembles **DB**, which is commonly used for **database** components in system diagrams.

### If you want a 100% confirmation

Upload either:

* the **entire diagram**, or
* a **slightly higher resolution screenshot of the top row**

Because diagrams like this usually follow patterns (Input → Service → **Design Review** → Database, etc.), and I can reconstruct it exactly from context.

If you'd like, I can also **clean up and recreate the entire diagram in high resolution** so all the labels are readable.```
fast solstice
#

Yes, clean up the image so we can read all the text 😂

winter pecan
# fast solstice Yes, clean up the image so we can read all the text 😂 

## The Diagram

This flowchart is part of the **Moonsedge investigation puzzle** used to determine the phrase needed to access the portrait entrance. GemStone IV

The wiki page itself confirms the **portrait in the Moonsedge Castle gallery** is interacted with and has writing on it, implying it’s part of the puzzle chain. ([GemStone IV Wiki][1])

---

# What the Diagram Is Actually Doing

The chart represents a **logic tree for interpreting the flowers shown in the portraits**.

Example from the gallery descriptions:

* **Lady Kolita portrait**

  * flowers: **hyacinth, windflower, caladium**
* **Lord Attam portrait**

  * flowers: **daffodil, desert candle, orange lily**
* **Ebony portrait**

  * bouquet: **bay leaves, basil, arborvitae**

These flowers are **symbolic language (floriography)** used to derive a concept or virtue.

---

# What the Puzzle Wants

You follow the logic tree to determine the **final concept word**.

Players who solved this puzzle discovered the final keyword is:

whisper portrait redemption


That phrase opens the hidden entrance.

---

# Why “Redemption”

It ties directly to the tomb inscription later in the crypt:

> “Master, Deceiver, and **Redeemer**.” ([GemStone IV Wiki][1])

That line is the narrative confirmation that the puzzle’s outcome should be **redemption**.

---

# Try This In Game

Stand at the portrait and type:

whisper portrait redemption


---

✅ If you want, I can also show you **how the flowchart actually resolves to “redemption” step-by-step** (it’s a clever flower symbolism puzzle and once you see the trick it becomes obvious).

[1]: https://gswiki.play.net/Investigating_Moonsedge?utm_source=chatgpt.com "Investigating Moonsedge - GemStone IV Wiki"
jagged spoke
#

We shall never need worry about a lack of spawns again now that Ecnew has arrived. 🙂

thick needle
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tall dawn
#

Lol.

wise plover
#

hmm. not sure if this is Greater Somnis armor bug or if this Moonsedge specific but posting here

>
An ashen patrician vampire's injuries begin to tug themselves closed, the cold flesh knitting back together to erase any traces of harm.
An ashen patrician vampire flicks a finger impatiently at you!
You hear a deafening wail as a ghostly white vapor surrounds you, swirling around your somnis plate!
  CS: +449 - TD: +415 + CvA: -31 + d100: +14 - -5 == +22
  Warded off!
>
A horned basalt grotesque rumbles out a basso incantation, clenching one carved claw as its eyes glow viridian.
>
A gaudy phantasmic conjurer opens her ghostly eyes, which burn with a fell light despite her momentary rest.
>
[osacombat]>stance offensive
Moving your somnis katana into position, you prepare to strike.
>
An ashen patrician vampire slices a shadowy sigil in the air as he utters an old chant.
>
A horned basalt grotesque twists a stony claw toward you!
The floor beneath a horned basalt grotesque rumbles, then erupts in a shower of rubble that coalesces in to an enormous hand in mid-air.
  CS: +464 - TD: +386 + CvA: -31 + d100: +89 - -5 == +141
  Warding failed!
 ** For a split second, the striations of your somnis plate expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards the basalt grotesque, enveloping it entirely! **
 [SSR result: 156 (Open d100: 71)]
   
The For a split second, the striations of your $O1S expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards $X1T, enveloping $X1I entirely! attempts to grab you, but you manage to avoid it at the last moment.  Soon the For a split second, the striations of your $O1S expand into a sinuous pearlescent mist that rushes towards $X1T, enveloping $X1I entirely! goes still and collapses to a pile of rubble that quickly disintegrates to invisible dust.
>
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast's injuries begin to tug themselves closed, the cold flesh knitting back together to erase any traces of harm.
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast spins around behind you, attempting a swiftkick!
[SMR result: 64 (Open d100: 22, Penalty: 4)]
Annoying, but otherwise inconsequential.
>
An unearthly blue glow fades from around a horned basalt grotesque.
>
An unearthly blue glow fades from around a gaudy phantasmic conjurer.
>
An unearthly blue glow fades from around an infernal death knight.
>
An unearthly blue glow fades from around a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast.
>
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast's injuries begin to tug themselves closed, the cold flesh knitting back together to erase any traces of harm.
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast slashes relentlessly at you with long, yellowed nails!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by a faint lucky feeling.
  AS: +486 vs DS: +555 with AvD: +7 + d100 roll: +21 = -41
   A clean miss.```

some of the before and after for Reference at Moonsedge.  Anybody else or just me?
#

litterally just happened about 5 / 10 mins ago

#

went ahead and did a bugitem on it

tribal swallow
#

This area is unplayable when there are four critters in every room from groups causing swarms. When it's empty I do great. Bad balance.

wise plover
#

as a paladin, i handle it just fine

glacial star
#

Yeah this is a sorcerers have bad AOE issue

wise plover
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ewave, grasp of the grave, not to mention you could get better gear that gives aoe such as the Energy Wings. and it's not like you can't single target things down either. if you can't handle it, then i'd suggest going to another spot. it's an ascension hunting ground. it's supposed to be challenging and the issue you described with ppl beign in Moonsedge to generate more beasties has been addressed not too long ago.

tribal swallow
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I have top gear. I have 46m exp. I shouldn't find an area unplayable at times from the indirect effects of other people.

wise plover
#

group up with ppl if you think it's too hard to solo. i'm not a sorc expert, but i'd like to think there's something else you could be doing if whatever your current strategy there isn't working to clear the room / kill fast

tribal swallow
#

I can't get a spell off in those swarms. Locked in rt. And most pay no attention to others in crisis or death

wise plover
#

if you're bound and standing up, i get that part since it's difficult to know if a person is in trouble unless they are lying down. i get the frustration of getting RT locked and having to flee. curious - do you have a battle standard (paladin service)? granted it's just a 1 time per day, but it's something to think about for the tier 6 although the tier 5 is very nice by itself for shield (which will mitigate damage) and that's always active (passive). Ranger trinkets (for fire resistance etc) are nice to have too.

the only other advise I can suggest is just group up with somebody. heck, can group with me if you want. the only thing i dont like about grouping there is it's just the searcher that gets the credit to find a gemstone

tribal swallow
#

My strat now is to just get gemstone one in a month and relax back in otf the rest...it's like gemstone in slow motion and I almost never die.

versed turtle
#

yeah it can get a bit swarmy and I try to keep them disabled or prone. if youre voln than symbol of sleep has been somewhat effective to throw in and keep them tame

thick needle
#

I have played a LOT of Moonsedge.

Sorceres are by far the most difficult to play in there. It's just not suited for them.

#

The swarms aren't necessarily due to other players either.

Since it's first days, it was always SUPER swarmy when it got going. 6+ mobs in one room was not abnormal, even if no one else was hunting in the area.

The only difference now is with the change to mob spawns last fall, it's more consistently swarmy.

tall dawn
#

What problem are you having as a sorc?

haughty ginkgo
#

Probably terrible SMR defense

fading imp
#

Need the summons to act as better tanks. Some sort of enhanced guard skill.
You like animate weapons? Try out our new animate shield with a (15% x Tier) chance to intercept incoming attacks.

glacial star
# tall dawn What problem are you having as a sorc?

As Alastir said, sorcs are poor vs SMR, and Moonsedge is full of SMR.

709 is a powerful spell but not reliable in Ascension, so they are weak on CC.

They have no AOE attack option vs undead since 717 won't work. 717 is both an AOE killer and disabler vs living. 720 is alright but has a CD.

Nothing in the area can be animated. Animates are a great help with survivability for sorcs. You can bring one from another zone, sure, but it's not great that you can't animate ANYthing in the area. A death knight would be a huge help.

They're great at single-target killing, no complaints there, but single-target killing and nothing else is not going to go great for you as a squishy pure in Moonsedge.

tribal swallow
#

Even single target killing is not especially easy. Most critters require at least two casts since 719 loses all efficacy after the first cast when target mana is drained. It is a fun challenging area when only another couple of solo hunters are around, but when every room has a swarm there is no ability to run, no chance to recover disarmed weapon or heal. And I'm talking about the baby area being unplayable....this section has no vampires or conjurers!

jagged spoke
#

Vampires not counting towards bounty kills when it leaves the room upon death is frustrating.

[SMR result: 191 (Open d100: 56, Bonus: 7)]
The patrician vampire is paralyzed and is driven to its knees!
You retreat back into the shadows.
Roundtime: 3 sec.
Roundtime changed to 1 second.
HR>stance off
> feat silent waylay clear
A downy soft white puppy with a fluffy cream-tinged ruff suddenly careens into the room, landing on the floor in a heap of long, creamy white fur.
You quickly step from hiding to deliver your waylay!
You swing a crude xazkruvrixis hatchet at an ashen patrician vampire!
  AS: +673 vs DS: +426 with AvD: +29 + d100 roll: +50 = +326
   ... and hit for 246 points of damage!
   Left hip pulped, severing the leg.
   The patrician vampire is knocked to the ground!
   The patrician vampire is stunned!
You swing a modwir-hilted xazkruvrixis tanto at an ashen patrician vampire!
  AS: +665 vs DS: +383 with AvD: +23 + d100 roll: +23 = +328
   ... and hit for 82 points of damage!
   Wild downward slash severs the patrician vampire's right foot!
   Bloody stump, anyone?

 ** Needles of electric light spark from your fingertips, dancing towards an ashen patrician vampire!  Your mind clears as a wave of energy washes over you! **
   ... 30 points of damage!
   Electric blast goes right to the heart!  Fibrillation can be fun.
Aghast at the affront of his injury, an ashen patrician vampire's eyes narrow into black slits.  His body erupts into silvery mist that violently churns eastward!
   The patrician vampire is stunned!

 ** Threads of malachite green energy project outward from your xazkruvrixis tanto and slice through an ashen patrician vampire! **
The life drains visibly away from the patrician vampire, as he collapses before you, dead!
The vampire's shadow stretches, long and hideous and tinged the color of blood.  The darkness rips free and dissipates with a sound like the susurration of countless leathery wings.
An ashen patrician vampire's lightless eyes go wide.  A shriek of rage and horror builds in his throat but never escapes.  He collapses, lifeless as a puppet with its strings cut, as the vestiges of otherworldly beauty retreat to reveal a corpse rapidly succumbing to decay.
You retreat back into the shadows.
ivory otter
# tall dawn What problem are you having as a sorc?

Insufficient AOE (both Disabling and Damaging) due to those spells being level-based. If you get stunned it's over unless by spamming a Sacrifice Shift macro you by chance manage to hit it during a gap in the near-constant RT.

tribal swallow
#

720 got nerfed to its current form after Moonsedge was developed. Sadly the sorcerer spell revision is so slow, by the time anything new gets released, the game balance has likely been changed in a different direction.

ivory otter
#

Demonology ranks to boost the spells power? Though it seems unlikely that the spell would mirror something that is provided by Transcend Destiny.

tribal swallow
#

It can't have a cool down like it does and be effective in top hunting areas. It's great if you underhunt and focus on the living, but a lot of sorcery is surprisingly neutered against undead.

#

The workaround many suggest is to simply bail on Moonsedge for sorcerers. If the other areas were not so tedious to get to and from, I'd probably just take that practical path of lesser resistance. Still, as a sorcerer of Voln, the Moonsedge baby area seems like a place I should be working until transcended fully in a few more years.

young spear
#

was this ever looked at? cause it seems to still be the case, 3 years later

cold trail
#

My vague recollection is that when it was looked it, the determination was that changing it would require a big overhaul to the bounty system.

hardy dragon
#

I have 110 skill in survival and 60 in FA, and I think I am still getting 1 in maybe 10 skulls getting credit for bounties...is this a ME thing, a my skill thing, or a bounty broken thing?

fallen pulsar
#

Are you damaging the head when you get your kills?

young spear
#

312 is slower but won't damage skins/skulls

pliant osprey
#

I don't think i'd say getting a low percentage at sub 2x is a rare thing though. I don't think I'd say my percentage in HW was what I'd consider acceptable until 2x and good until 3x

hardy dragon
pliant osprey
#

its not just head its also eyes and neck

wise plover
hardy dragon
#

guess I'll work on maxing those ...survial is on the list anyway...but FA...well I'm sure there is some benefit

tribal swallow
#

It's too bad that vampires don't sense bleeders and enrage in an attack like troll kings when teased with a blood feast. That would provide a good reason to do field tending, but in modern gs4 with now a loot cap affecting the zeal to skin, there might be better uses of TP than FA.

tribal swallow
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Mounted combat precludes bearhug...huge benefit in MS if mounts can enter there.

tribal swallow
#

They can!

tribal swallow
#

Anyone try mounted combat here yet to evaluate if it's worth the cost?

exotic quest
#

I'd be curious but my initial take is +10ds probably isn't making or breaking anyone so it really would come down to how often you get bear hugged. I know there's no way it would be worth it for my warrior because no bullrush. I don't think the charge AoE is worth it with a cool down. I mean it doesn't hurt but you need a lot more AoE than one every 60 seconds. So then you got the escape stuff too I guess.

fading imp
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I think for pures the cman immunity is really 95% of the value

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I dont forsee myself using the abilities unless they are overtuned. I guess the question will be is the mount trample the same as other trample cmans and if so is it like a 5 rank equivalent or some level vs level thing.

tribal swallow
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My concern is how often I might get knocked off mount relative to the immunity gained from bearhug. It might not be as good as it seems if the other attacks render it moot.

wise plover
#

yeah. dont think it's live yet.
```A young stablehand says, "I am not familiar with such things. Try asking me about BUY, COST, HORSE, MOUNT, REFUND, STABLE, STALL, ATTEND, TRAVEL, TRAVEL UPGRADE, HUNTING, or CARE."``

wise plover
#

so far so good. Just wondering if Auchand has plans to have the death knights etc start to ride the dreadsteeds within Moonsedge and they use those abilities heh

#

sym of return works too while mounted so you stay mounted 🙂

uneven lance
#

would be funny if it just vanished you off your mount and your horse or whatever was like wth dude

tall dawn
wise plover
#

Woot! Challenge accepted

silent violet
wise plover
# 
[SMR result: 127 (Open d100: 28, Bonus: 22)]
Your black unicorn slams into a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast!
   ... 27 points of damage!
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast is disoriented.
The ghast is knocked to the ground!
[SMR result: 142 (Open d100: 70, Penalty: 4)]
Your black unicorn slams into a horned basalt grotesque!
   ... 42 points of damage!
A horned basalt grotesque is disoriented.
The grotesque is knocked to the ground!
You hear the soft tinkle of rolling dice, followed by the sound of coins dropping!
[SMR result: 134 (Open d100: 75, Penalty: 4)]
Your black unicorn slams into a horned basalt grotesque!
   ... 34 points of damage!
A horned basalt grotesque is disoriented.
The grotesque is knocked to the ground!
The wild momentum carries you off a silver-horned raven-sheened black unicorn!
Roundtime: 5 sec.```

Trample is fun 🙂
tribal swallow
#

You staying on mount long enough to benefit from immunity to bearhug, or are you getting knocked off too much from various spells to make this worthwhile?

wise plover
#

Today I've been knocked off a lot more than previous days but to be fair, it was when there 3 or more creatures

tribal swallow
#

We need a new ascension skill or gemstone that improves staying mounted chances.

glacial star
#

No more niche gemstones diluting the pool

wise plover
# 
You urge your black unicorn to charge an ashen patrician vampire!
[SMR result: 316 (Open d100: 170, Bonus: 80)]
Your black unicorn slams into an ashen patrician vampire!
   ... 50 points of damage!
An ashen patrician vampire shakes with terror!
An ashen patrician vampire appears weak and feeble, her movements sluggish.
You lean forward and press your attack on an ashen patrician vampire!
You swing a silver-edged somnis katana at an ashen patrician vampire!

 ** Your somnis katana glows brightly for a moment, consuming the magical energies around the patrician vampire! **
Darkness punctuated by a constellation of starry pinpoints wells up around an ashen patrician vampire and splinters away with a sound like shattering crystal.
The elemental aura around an ashen patrician vampire wavers.
A series of purple lines suddenly appears on an ashen patrician vampire's face, quickly racing towards the center of her forehead before detaching and dissipating in the air.

  AS: +712 vs DS: +391 with AvD: +38 + d100 roll: +47 = +406
   ... and hit for 193 points of damage!
   Awesome slash severs the patrician vampire's right arm!
   A jagged stump is all that remains!
   The vampire's veil iron rapier falls to the ground.
The vampire's shadow stretches, long and hideous and tinged the color of blood.  The darkness rips free and dissipates with a sound like the susurration of countless leathery wings.
An ashen patrician vampire's lightless eyes go wide.  A shriek of rage and horror builds in her throat but never escapes.  She collapses, lifeless as a puppet with its strings cut, as the vestiges of otherworldly beauty retreat to reveal a corpse rapidly succumbing to decay.
Roundtime: 3 sec.```
tall dawn
#

Nice.

haughty ginkgo
#

Is there still a plan to make the moonsedge organ buff apply when you ENTER the area instead of being in the area when the organ is played?

thick needle
fallen pulsar
#

I hope that doesn't get changed. It's nice to be able to go to town, unload, etc. and come back without losing the buff.

#

Maybe I'm misreading it. If the buff was simply active in Moonsedge and you could come and go and get the buff as long as it's active I'd be all for it.

thick needle
versed turtle
#

im beside myself from this nasty weather

You howlAsoma howls in pain as virulent green mist passes through your his form causing 1 point of damage!
   ... 5 points of damage!
   Strips of flesh disappear from your back.
The virulent green mist surrounding you disperses.
tall dawn
#

Huh.

#

That actually makes that somewhat easy to fix.

versed turtle
#

I just imagined the mist was mildly hallucinogenic and I was having an out of body experience

silent violet
#

Sooo I hunted the RIFT and found three of those transmog Items. When I went to moonsedge I've not only not found clothings. but NO transmog items. I was finding tons of clothing before. Is moonsedge going to have transmog items??

tawdry robin
thick needle
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Moonsedge doesn't have loot. Everyone knows this.

silent violet
#

Awe yes got my first one Awesome Thank you!

versed turtle
cold trail
fading imp
#

Socialism vs. Capitialism!

tribal swallow
#

Loot pressure has been bandied about as a concept but I don't think we've ever seen stats. How many moonsedge kills were looted in April vs the other areas that plug into the loot pressure algorithm? I personally find it a lot richer than OTF or Nelemar from a year ago, but there's no way I'll ever loot cap hunting Moonsedge myself.

uneven lance
#

moonsedge is super easy (comparatively) - it sounds like loot pressure is working as intended?

tribal swallow
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Are any of the 94 loot cappers capping in Moonsedge? Instead of loot pressure for Ascension, just set all such areas to have Moonsedge-like treasure as a constant. It would be nice to see kill counts for a month in all areas and sub areas. Moonsedge where I hunt has no vampires or conjurers...the other section should count separately like OTF old versus OTF north.

thick needle
jagged spoke
#

Moonsedge feels like it's got a couple of "gotchas" but it doesn't have the difficulty of, say, the GC.

uneven lance
thick needle
#

Hmm, interesting. I really wish they’d put somewhere to rest in the HW’s. I’d probably just live in The Pits

velvet glen
#

I like the simple things in life.

The flaming aura surrounding you lashes out at a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed!
[SMR result: 129 (Open d100: -25, Bonus: 105)]
... 60 points of damage!
Flames engulf body. Chest left a smoldering ruin.
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the skeletal dreadsteed's body and rises into the heavens.
A smouldering skeletal dreadsteed's head tosses and it lets out a terrible death whinny that slices coldly through the air. It sags, lifeless, the blue flames of its mane winking out one by one.
A smouldering skeletal dreadsteed's movements no longer appear hampered as the lunar light encircling it fades away.

thick needle
#

@tall dawn - looks like non capped characters are still getting ascension bounties in IMT and can't get away from it.

[Help] Lemkius: "Yeah - It is odd. I had to move to Atoll to avoid that."
[Help] You: "I'd bug that."
[Help] Taulramil: "You have you difficulty maxed to they will give you higher tierd critters."
[Help] Krayton: "Can you ask for easier bounties?"
[Help] Charlet: "I'll try that."
[Help] Lemkius: "When it was happening to me (and I bugged it) I was at the +/- 5. Any lower and I would get penalized."
[Help] Charlet: "So it has been bugged and they didn't "fix" it so they must not see it that way?"
[Help] Lemkius: "I wouldn't say that, Charlet."
[Help] Charlet: "So go ahead and bug?"
[Help] Lemkius: "Sure! Sometimes they need little reminders."
[Help] Charlet: "Yeah lowest diff setting and still got a banshee bounty... with a steep penalty for asking for low diff... bugged."```
versed turtle
#

i remember burning a bunch of bounty boosts because of that until I capped

tall dawn
twin nebula
#

Honestly don't know how I can hunt in ME. Its swarmy even in the day time. Once the hits, stuns, binds start coming my KS warrior is dead after the hit points are gone. !R>Symbol of Return ...wait 10 seconds. !R>Symbol of Return ...wait 9 seconds. !R>Symbol of Return You calm down slightly, catching your breath. !R> ...wait 8 seconds. !R>Symbol of Return The horrible pain in your side subsides. The pall of silence leaves you. !R> ...wait 7 seconds. !R>

jagged spoke
twin nebula
#

Stacking round times, stuns and binds ( all working together I might add) have become my utter bane and frustration ever since the Red Forest. Combine that with swarms and its a case of just giving up in frustration. It feels like the norm anymore. Just waiting for the timer until decay while watching the hunters go by. lol

tribal swallow
#

It's amazingly better when no one else is around to rile things up. Sadly, that can change in a flash. You usually can sense impending doom when the organ plays, as that means a group is about to enter the fray.

thick needle
twin nebula
#

I'm using Carns, bullrush etc as much as I can but Carns doesn't last that long and you go to attack something and while in round time 2 to 4 come charging in. Repeatedly. So you end up just running around looking for a clear room to fight from only to have to run from that room once you engage due to more swarms coming in. Repeat. Very frustrating. Ended up dead and decaying.

Though a few seconds before I decayed someone came in to help. Just too late because as I went to say "yes sure to their asking if I needed help" I went poof. Ah well. GS hunting is punishing, more so at the higher end. If you don't group hunt and use bigshot you are kinda crippling yourself. I can't do group hunting anymore due to screen scroll and I refuse Bigshot. So, like the dinosaurs I'm on the path of extinction but in GS. it is what is .

versed turtle
#

are you voln? symbol of sleep and symbol of submission help keep things pinned down when youre waiting for cooldowns on cmans/techniques.

Im using katana/shield and just spamming aoes to keep things stunned and prone.

jagged spoke
#

Symbol of sleep is an extremely favor-expensive spell... I wouldn't consider that as a viable longterm solution.

versed turtle
#

im slightly net postive on favor after a hunt but I use it when Im waiting for a pulse and have a bunch of other aoes with my setup. gotta be less expensive than dying

stiff grove
#

it's definitely a self-respect negative ability. I can't really feel like i'm not cheating using a 0 cast time AOE CC with no cooldown.

But that aside, moonsedge is probably the one asc place you can use it indefinitely without much thought about it since it is favortown USA. If you're like, into that kind of thing.

versed turtle
fallen pulsar
#

If Trans Destiny boosts your effectiveness with it... 🤔 I might have to go test...Haven't been tapping this resource, it just keeps going up and up.

Voln Favor: 314,059,682

versed turtle
#

dont spend it all in one place

velvet glen
twin nebula
# velvet glen

As a peer and move KS warrior, I do feel seen. Unfortunately with each room having swarms in it in ME, I just run until I find a clear room. Once there, hope everything and their undead brother doesn't follow me into the room so I can deal with one to three foes. Just hasn't been working that way. The swarms are stupid crazy. Day or night.

twin nebula
#

Perfect example. I go into Moonsedge and its around 09:30 EST. Kill a couple banshees before the gate. Kill a couple ghasts in the location south of the gate, with the N/E/S/W exits. (copy paste log I couldnt post goes here. lol)

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lol wow. Never mind was going to post a short copy past of how it went from 1 banshee to 4 critters by the time the banshee went down and then a 5th critter. I then fled, this took less then 25 seconds. I stopped supporting Discord due to their shannigans earlier this year with Identity. So now I can't post multiple line posts. lol They can you know what off. I wont give them a dime again.

hardy dragon
# twin nebula As a peer and move KS warrior, I do feel seen. Unfortunately with each room havi...

As a pike wielding KS warrior ME is great. I shout and or bull rush and then use an aoe weapon swing and I’m half way done with most swarmy rooms. Shout again, kill a squishy, shout or bullish and aoe again. Room cleared. Grotesques are the only slow down. And if you get nicked up too much just zip to the safe room and herb up. Or back to town for a healer.. ME was made for KS warriors

#

Just need to know if too many conjures or grotesques stack up and move. The rest is cake

exotic quest
#

If you aren't post cap far enough or have enough enhancives, stamina may be an issue. You can run out pretty quick keeping all the swarms down with all the war cries and AoE. Only thing I would add is to throw in bellow because that should lock things down longer than shout.

hardy dragon
#

I am not huge into post cap but I did stack up a bit of stamina regen early on in ME. Made a huge difference and I never over exert now

fading imp
#

Adding a +25% stamina prism gemstone is also a very nice stam boost

twin nebula
fading imp
#

Also martial momentum gemstone lets you pull off stam free cmans

twin nebula
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Celtar, your Combat Maneuvers are as follows:

  Skill                Mnemonic        Ranks Type           Category        Subcategory
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  Berserk              berserk         6/6   Attack         Warrior Guild                   
  Bull Rush            bullrush        5/5   Area of Effect                                 
  Combat Mobility      mobility        1/1   Passive                                        
  Disarm Weapon        disarm          6/6   Setup          Warrior Guild                   
  Feint                feint           6/6   Setup          Warrior Guild                   
  Griffin's Voice      griffin         2/3   Martial Stance                                 
  Parry Specialization parryspec       3/3   Passive                                        
  Spell Cleave         scleave         5/5   Setup                                          
  Spell Parry          sparry          1/1   Passive                                        
  Spike Focus          spikefocus      2/2   Passive                                        
  Spin Attack          sattack         6/6   Attack         Warrior Guild                   
  Stance Perfection    stance          2/2   Passive        Warrior Guild                   
  Stance of the Mongoo mongoose        3/3   Martial Stance                                 
  Tackle               tackle          6/6   Setup          Warrior Guild                   
  Tainted Bond         tainted         1/1   Passive                                        
  Weapon Specializatio wspec           5/5   Passive```
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Celtar, your Feats are as follows:

  Skill                Mnemonic        Ranks Type           Category        Subcategory
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  Absorb Magic         absorbmagic     1/1   Buff                                           
  Chain Armor Proficie chainarmor      1/1   Passive                                        
  Combat Mastery       combatmastery   1/1   Passive                                        
  Critical Counter     criticalcounter 1/1   Passive                                        
  Dispel Magic         dispelmagic     1/1   Buff                                           
  Guard                guard           1/1   Passive                                        
  Kroderine Soul       kroderinesoul   1/1   Passive                                        
  Light Armor Proficie lightarmor      1/1   Passive                                        
  Martial Mastery      martialmastery  1/1   Passive                                        
  Plate Armor Proficie platearmor      1/1   Passive                                        
  Protect              protect         1/1   Passive                                        
  Scale Armor Proficie scalearmor      1/1   Passive                                        
  Weapon Bonding       weaponbonding   5/5   Passive                                        
  Weighting, Padding,  wps             1/1   Passive
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Celtar, your Ascension Abilities are as follows:

  Skill                Mnemonic        Ranks Type           Category        Subcategory
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  Stamina Regeneration regenstamina    10/50 Passive        Common          Regen           

Available Ascension Abilities Points: 3``` I need to head off. Need to argue with the dealership to get the motor company to allow me to spend money on the heated seat and some other parts that they vin locking on me. @#@#! (Insert throwing money at the idiots meme here)
versed turtle
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the beginners journey stone, a B3, and adventures guild badge are low hanging fruit to get some stamina regen.

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idk how far past cap you are but I had to stay in the rift for a bit to get to where I wanted to be. I still leave injured quite a bit and chew through a lot of herbs.

twin nebula
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X8 Enchant (+40 enchant.)
T5 ensorcell.
S5 Sanctioned with holy flares.
150 services of damage padding (10 CER) (Heavy 10 points).
300 services of critical padding (15 CER) (Exceptionally).
Three permanent resistances, all at 10%: crush, slash, and puncture. (Moderately). 
Troll Spine enhancive benefit (+3 to stamina recovery, +3 to health recovery).
Temporary ranger resistance against nature at 47% (Incredibly).
Spiked. 
T5 Dispel Flares.
Ethereal Armor Script - fully unlocked defensive flares, fully unlocked fluff tiers, 
  and fully unlocked critical padding flares. 
Made of Mithril.
Weighs 38 pounds, max lightened.
Difficulty: overwhelming 1,347.
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8x (+40 enchant.)
Perfect Forge
Heavy Crit Weighting (150 CER 10)
Tier 5 Ensorcell
Tier T5 Sanctify with permanent Holy Fire Flares and it +5 AS bonus against Undead.
Masterful Damage Padding Bubble Flares (Stalwart Resilience) (20 points)
Lighting Flares.
Made of ghezyte
Weighs 15 pounds. (now  due to material change, not lightened)
Difficulty 1,010 Daunting.


My Locus currently.
 a gilded locus
 This locus has the following enhancive power:
    It provides a boost of 5 to Max Stamina.
    It provides a boost of 7 to Constitution Base.
    It provides a boost of 7 7 to Strength Base.
``` Need to get the polearm relightened  further enchanted.
versed turtle
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need is kind of stretch. the cost to go beyond +40 would yield better results on gemstones/enhancives

twin nebula
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<--- Not a giant man, elf.

versed turtle
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ok

vast falcon
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Also would invest into cheap Stam regen enhancives and 10 asc levels of it too

steel whale
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Berserk, more than 2 in a room or Death Knights, Carn Cry, 435, berserk

twin nebula
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I've tried berserk. 🙁

pliant osprey
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My KS warrior at like 1.5x cap doesn't have a lot of issues with the crowds I think one difference is I went 3/3 griffin and use cry all and growl all and the AoE weapon techniques. Do you use mongoose enough that it's better than 1/2 cost warcries? I never berserk though unless it's a long stun

twin nebula
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I started using Griffin and Crys recently. I'm not currently using Mongoose at all currently.

pliant osprey
twin nebula
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Good point. Yeah, I'll need to squeeze out the points to get that last rank.

twin nebula
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[Moonsedge, Bramble and Dirge - 32405] (u4577007)
A tall black iron lamppost sits at the intersection of Bramble Street and Dirge Row.  A weathered sign once hung from chains beneath the post's outstretched arm, but rust has eaten through them.  The sign lies in a dying bed of ornamental brambles, devoured by rot.  Tall, greying buildings with broken windows like gouged eyes stare down on the crossing blindly, not a hint of light within.  You also see an infernal death knight, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, an infernal death knight, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an infernal death knight, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast and a horned basalt grotesque.
Obvious paths: north, east, south, west
>n
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast hurls himself at you!
[SMR result: 107 (Open d100: 92)]
Your size slightly hinders your defense!
A cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast pins you to the ground and quickly jumps to his feet!
You are struck by an acute sense of vulnerability.
Roundtime: 5 sec.
PR>
An infernal death knight swings her black ora sword at your elven framea!
Sensing an impending attack, you manage to roll hard to the side, and then leap to your feet!
[SMR result: 7 (Open d100: 9, Penalty: 10)]
An infernal death knight fails to connect!
R>n
...wait 5 seconds.
R>n
``` Still too common
twin nebula
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Had to re sub to nitro so I can freaking post logs. Anyhow me doing a typical fighting retreat. Each room had multiples. Room I had fled to and attack those who followed me and peering back at the room I'd had just fled. ```R>l
[Moonsedge, Old Road - 32329] (u4577001)
A forest of elm and birch and pine closes in upon the road as it climbs away from the strath below toward a walled city in the hills. Carved wooden poles etched with fanciful briar motifs hoist lanterns aloft, but the lights are unlit and their frames rusted and in disrepair. Weeds and moss cling to the cobblestones of the roadway as if it has seen too few visitors to keep the encroaching vegetation at bay. You also see an infernal death knight that is lying down, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed that appears dead and a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed that appears dead.
Obvious paths: southwest
!R>peer southwest
You peer southwest and see ...

[Moonsedge, Old Road - 32329] (u4577001)
Through a break in the snow-dusted boughs of a great spruce, a castle at the top of the hills stands dark against the brilliance of the horizon. Old and grim, the fortress looks down on a small city from its lofty perch. Atop the walls of the city, faded crimson pennants fly, bearing the sigil of a briar sprig against a rising charcoal moon. You also see a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed, a cadaverous tatterdemalion ghast, an infernal death knight, an infernal death knight and a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed that is lying down.
Obvious paths: northeast, south
!R>
An infernal death knight struggles to rise but fails in the attempt.
!>Attack
You thrust with a sleek elven framea at an infernal death knight!
AS: +591 vs DS: +439 with AvD: +41 + d100 roll: +74 = +267
... and hit for 87 points of damage!
Amazing shot through the death knight's nose enters the brain!
You hear a sound like a child weeping as a white glow separates itself from the death knight's body and rises into the heavens.
She clutches at her armored chest. Her flaming eyes blaze precipitously as white-hot fire erupts from her floating head, consuming it in a burst of blinding light! The headless corpse sinks to the ground, unmoving.
An infernal death knight seems a bit less imposing.
The death knight suddenly stops moving light-footedly.
An infernal death knight looks momentarily uneasy, but quickly recovers.
Roundtime: 4 sec.
!R>Loot
...wait 2 seconds.
!R>
His body pressed low to his mount, an infernal death knight charges into the area atop a smouldering skeletal dreadsteed. His flame-wreathed skull throws off sapphire cinders as he rides, drawing to a hal

weary haven
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You don't have to sub nitro, it gives you the option to upload big blurbs as a text file instead. Not exactly the same, but like - free. Can still see most of the log directly in discord from the file preview

twin nebula
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Ah, I didn't know that, thanks Kaetel. I kept fudging with text log snippits trying to get them down to size for a post and it was being a real PITA so I resubbed out of frustration.

wise plover
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a single katana in both hands, a unicorn for a mount and energy wings and you're golden to be the king of Moonsedge... who needs a shield? 😛

twin nebula
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Something occurred to me after my armor saved me and went into the 12 hour cooldown. It would be nice to have more than one use a day as a KS warrioror probably even as a non-KS warrior. s>platearmor Name: Plate Armor Proficiency [platearmor] Type: Passive Available to: Warriors Description: You have proficiency in plate armor. Mechanics: Any physical attack that would reduce you to zero HP is ignored, and restores you to 25% HP instead. This effect can occur 1x per day. s>

versed turtle
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Eventually you just get open rolled and it doesn’t trigger.

versed turtle
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Any options exists to dispel the globes for KS warriors? tried spell cleave on it and it let me do it but didn't have any effect.

tribal swallow
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Just experienced Hive during onslaught. It is ridiculously easy compared to Moonsedge.

pliant osprey
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People have been telling you that ME probably wasn't the right spot for awhile but your answer was ... voln stuff

tribal swallow
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I didn't expect it to be THAT different. Hive was no harder than Nelemar.

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No dread, no dispells, easy kills with 719...even empyrian stuff on ground is easy.

tall dawn
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I find the Hive way harder than Moonsedge, but YMMV.

glacial star
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For a sorc I def see Hive easier than ME. All your spells work (including animate dead), no disarm

pliant osprey
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To be fair if he's doing it during an onslaught he probably wasn't getting ravagered and eviscerated nearly as much and people probably disarmed a lot of the traps

vast falcon
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I feel like ME gets all the disrespect… I die way more out in ME than any other ascension zone other than SG,

Additionally brutal if you aren’t Voln and can’t time the buffs.