#calamity-update-talk
agile latch
sapphire is one of these words that fuel my english rot
where i end up overcomplicating words that arent complicated
blazing field
the English Rot
urban cloak
yea thats fair lol
agile latch
ruby is staying mostly the same design wise
blazing field
neat
agile latch
i just want to make it a bit smaller and shift its proportions so the head is the focal point more
(Bigger head )
blazing field
i think it was the best looking one already so lol
tbf i do like it being kinda big, i think it fits well with it being a t3
so i hope even if its a bit smaller its still large
agile latch
diamond is getting a full redesign i think.. was planning to maybe emphasize its wings, make the wings be part of its main attack maybe like allowing it to spread them open and do a huge diamond light flash at the player
blazing field
they could be some cool tough earlygame enemies
agile latch
tbf i do like it being kinda big, i think it fits well with it being a t3
cave size
urban cloak
issue is that we can't have them be too big cause vanilla cave generation is usually not that big
agile latch
i mean it will be bigger than the player
blazing field
that is fair
spice hound
Weren’t the scuttlers each gonna have like a unique drop or something too and if so like what were they gonna be
agile latch
t2 and t3 yes
blazing field
t1 are basically just critters arent they
agile latch
t1 just share the scutler gem accesory ( gemerald heart )
opaque plume
gem trees are so cool
imagine if these guys like hung around them kinda
i feel like you could have so much more with the little gem caves that spawn
spice hound
Also is amber’s idea of being like encased in a ball of amber still gonna be the case for it
opaque plume
they could definitely be like full mini biomes like granite and marble i think
agile latch
Also is amber’s idea of being like encased in a ball of amber still gonna be the...
yes
and the beetle being the one punching it
blazing field
was there another iteration wave before this and the previous one
not counting the chudlets that r ingame
talking less about tiny changes and more like full switches on ur vision for em
cuz afaik its just been
the first wave and this second remake wave now
blazing field
I forgot about ancient emerald crawler, ngl
spice hound
I do wonder like alongside the actual gems getting scuttlers and that one geode quail if theres gonna be any more scuttlers for other things
agile latch
scutlers are only for gems
blazing field
theres prismback for sso in (undefined) time
agile latch
if perennial gem get real it will get a scutler
blazing field
idk if therell be any others
agile latch
and prismback is a scuttler ye
it needs a resprite
it should problably come with the other crawlers tbh
spice hound
Wasn’t there like also a geode quail too right
agile latch
geode quail yea.. he is a cousin
blazing field
no way sunken sea content real life
urban cloak
if you finish the resrpite for prismback id be down to program it alongside the others
agile latch
i forgot this was a thing
spice hound
When they making the lumenyl scuttler too
urban cloak
sso yesterday
agile latch
im glad i killed it for fox
spice hound
Fair
blazing field
its not rare-ish like the other gems
grave geyser
a singular sso enemy
sorry we have to remove a few enemies so its actually -1
spice hound
Albeit like prism shards aren’t really rare at all either currently
blazing field
true
but prismbacks are already a thing so
i guess them dropping prism shards is kind of secondary
spice hound
I guess yeah thats fair
blazing field
they're kinda just there
fry can you make prismbacks cool and not lame pls. can you make their ai good
thanks
spice hound
Life crystal scuttler when
urban cloak
they aren't but its just nice to have an creature down there that has managed to incorporate them into its biology in some way
blazing field
hhhngrg im gonna PRISM YOU! says the prismback
ass it prisms you
to death
as*
not ass
blazing field
what even are the plans for prismback behavior
i dont think we were ever told
beyond them being neutral i think?
agile latch
reviving crystal scutler as a little lizard goblin creature that steal from your (your gold ) and hold it in a bag and run away as it laughs
spice hound
🔥 🔥 🔥
agile latch
need to convince xyk to code in the greedy beetle
agile latch
evil golden beetle that appear if you have too much money, hit you, make you drop coins which it steal then run away
blazing field
i love pushing around amber bouldrs says the strong yharim beetle
i feel like it could be smth other than a beetle
blazing field
if only cu fables already has a sort of greed-themed beetle already tbh
Ofc multiple projects can ahve the same ideas but
spice hound
Yharim beetles that post-yharon will actually go find auric ore and try to punch it into a boulder but get eviscerated when they try it
blazing field
I feel like it'd feel a bit derivative, even if not intentionally
polar tide
yharim
blazing field
maybe it could be a creature actually commonly associated wtih greed
like a fox or crow
blazing field
WHY A GOBLIN SHARK
spice hound
Dragons are associated with greed so make it a dragon
urban cloak
canon landshark would go crazy
agile latch
WHY A GOBLIN SHARK
goblins are normally related to greed and stealing, and goblin sharks are cool
blazing field
Yharim beetles that post-yharon will actually go find auric ore and try to punch...
post moonlord amber scuttler
thats AURIC
grave geyser
auric slime real
blazing field
goblins are normally related to greed and stealing, and goblin sharks are cool
I shuppose but ig it just feels kinda random ,,,
polar tide
plese put a seal in calamtiy mod
agile latch
auric beetle being the first hint at yharim actual moveset
blazing field
i NEED the yharim amber scuttler lore to be real so bad
agile latch
it will be fun animating amber beetle since i want to do some taunts and anime poses for it
blazing field
its funny in vaccuum
spice hound
plese put a seal in calamtiy mod
Sky seals for the eventual sky overhaul which look like they’re made of clouds
blazing field
but also
genuinely good worldbuilding if u stop to think abt it
it shows yharim's impact on the world, how even the littlest of guys were influenced by him in one way or the other
polar tide
Sky seals for the eventual sky overhaul which look like they’re made of clouds
no more aquatic creatures in the sky im sick of it
blazing field
and as long as ur not directly namedropping YHARIM on the bestiary and instead vaguely allude to him
agile latch
i think amber beetle little side fact if implement well is cool.. but my only fear is to end up with a clad crab situation
blazing field
clad crab is goofy like
what does the crusade have to do with anything in this context i dont get it
why did they have to adapt
where the clad crab god worshippers
agile latch
no i mean how its bestiary just start talking about the crusade out of nowhere
feels kinda forceful and silly
blazing field
yeah thats what im talking abt
see i think this is easily addressed
ok hold on let me make an example
spice hound
I love how like theres a weird amount of crab enemies in calamity
Clad crabs, flak crabs, slab crabs, crabulon
agile latch
"yes we have this amoeba that live in the sulphur sea, in the great war that happened 300 years ago people used to eat gelatin and bones as they didnt had food"
polar tide
no i mean how its bestiary just start talking about the crusade out of nowhere
this is funny as fuck
urban cloak
i forgot what clad crab was for a second and thought you were talking about slab crab
i was like "what the fuck are tou alking about" for a second cheese im ngl
polar tide
clad crab bestiary entry feels like the manifestation of the "this will affect the trout population" meme
blazing field
scarab bestiary entry: "These powerful insects push the heaviest gems they can find, trying to prove themselves as the strongest of their kin. It's said they idolize a great warrior that they saw shatter a boulder with a single punch many years ago."
Don't just
agile latch
yharim soldiers hated clad crabs
blazing field
namedrop yharim
allude to him, vaguely
And if the post ml version becomes real
u can actually make it more clear then
agile latch
scarab bestiary entry: "These powerful insects push the heaviest gems they can f...
only thing would be integrating better the "Punch a boulder" thing
because like its kinda silly to imagine yharim just going to the desert, punching a boulder and leaving
blazing field
Yeah def lol
spice hound
The slab crab bestiary entry is a little confusing to me because like it starts by saying how strong they are but then talks about how they struggled to survive which is a little confusing at least to me
agile latch
i mean him being in the desert is understandable, ilmeris
and stuff
but like the boulder part
blazing field
Just, some sort of feat of strenght
agile latch
yea a feat of strenght in general
agile latch
The slab crab bestiary entry is a little confusing to me because like it starts ...
yea and it never mentions
what caused it to strugle in the crusade specifically
polar tide
because like its kinda silly to imagine yharim just going to the desert, punchin...
obsessed with this mental image
agile latch
it was rumored this specific boulder was the god of minerals
urban cloak
Just, some sort of feat of strenght
strongman in a desert village challenged him to a test of strength once and he decided to annihilate an entire boulder to show off
blazing field
u can actually make it more clear then
Post ml scarab: "A scarab that has succesfully shattered its gem and became an elite member of its clan, respected by all others. It covers itself in gold to try emulating the gilded armor of the warrior it idolizes."
Its a simple but effective progression!
polar tide
yharim heard about the god of minerals so he traveled the earth punching every boulder he found until he eventually killed them
agile latch
i think its cooler if its golden armor is actually the amber from the boulder it shattered
blazing field
warrior guy > WAIT GOLD? GOLD LIKE YHARIM? THE WARRIOR WAS YHARIM NO WAY!
agile latch
yharim carving a xeroc shaped boulder and punching it out of anger
blazing field
it still is not making it like super obvious
but itseasy to understand
with some reading comprheension
that it was yharim
blazing field
i think its cooler if its golden armor is actually the amber from the boulder it...
also tthis is true
spice hound
Make their armour out of pyrite since thats fools gold or something idk
blazing field
something bestiary needs to get better at is avoiding namedropping things like
YHARIM
THE CRUSADE
it's so silly sorry guys
agile latch
need to sprite the sanguinesquito and The Tick eventually (blood moon content 
)
polar tide
buggys :)
agile latch
sanguinesquito having a entry about how it killed 500 yharim soldiers during the crusade with sickness
urban cloak
The Tick is so fucking menacing
blazing field
it's ok to mention Crusade and Yharim in the entry for Yharon
but please dont mention them in random prehardmode enemy #63
polar tide
we add 1 million bug to calamity mod
blazing field
The Tick
molten grove
I love how like theres a weird amount of crab enemies in calamity
Clad crabs, fl...
divergent evolution
all three enemies are a single syllable with LA in the name
blazing field
they had to adapt to the crusade.
agile latch
and what adding stones to its body helped with during the crusade
blazing field
it feels like a shitpost ngl
like
when i first readi ti genuinely thought it was one
agile latch
new forest enemy, called "the crusade" that eats clad crabs, and its an trail of ants
blazing field
im still wondering if its supposed to be
agile latch
that crusade together
spice hound
divergent evolution
all three enemies are a single syllable with LA in the name
When we getting the glad crab
agile latch
When we getting the glad crab
town pet
blazing field
the stones made them look less like crabs so the yharmy soldiers were like "nah nvm that cant be it that dosent look like a crab"
molten grove
yes a town pet crab won a spot in the critter contest 3 years ago
spice hound
Oh i didn’t realise that woah
molten grove
its funny, you can put helmets on it
urban cloak
god was that actually 3 years ago
blazing field
im so old
agile latch
blazing field
ill be as old as the funny number next year
thats fucked up
im literally gonna be calamity mod 22 in real life
agile latch
2 years ago..
molten grove
im turning 23 this year but after calamity’s 10th
i’ll be 22 on that day
urban cloak
2 is still pretty long for at least one not to be added ngl
molten grove
2, 3 50% margin of error, same thing
urban cloak
fish mines...
blazing field
yeahhh
agile latch
fryzah user.. if its fully sprited
molten grove
need that hog done..
agile latch
would you code the ant crusade
urban cloak
yes
blazing field
having a critter contest bebe after hog update would be neat
Crusader Ant
new enemy
also i'm ngl i think rotdogs are actually a pretty decent enemy even if they're just reused vanilla code
spice hound
What else one like the critter contests
blazing field
they're not super well made on the programming side of things but like
agile latch
just need to add a ant eater creature then you have the full ecosystem of crusade ants eating clad crabs, the ant eater eating crusade ants (what defeat crusades.. )
blazing field
On the design side yeah i think a charger enemy that's slightly rarer than zombies and demon eyes but has relatively low health and only spawns after u killed one of the game's first bosses, so it adds a bit of difficulty to ur usual pre hardmode nights but only after youve likely beaten 1 or 2 bosses?
yeah no man thats acutally like
not bad enemy design
all things considered even if they ARE just like reused i i wouldnt mind if they just stayed like that
plus their like. actual visual design. is good too
it fits with other night enemies
its a zombie! cuz theres undead at night!
agile latch
i mean blood moon is getting a lot more stuff
so i think rot dogs could get a bit of love with some proper ai and polish
blazing field
but its a z ombie dog, so its faster than human zombies, and it charges at you, like a evil feral dog
That is fair they could still be polished don't get me wrong
agile latch
it has a "miniboss" now, 2 new enemies (sanguinesquito and tick )
blazing field
but if thery didn't i think this is one of the few cases
yeah i wouldnt mind
this enemy isn't hte most expertly programmed but it's actually fairly decent
agile latch
but its a z ombie dog, so its faster than human zombies, and it charges at you, ...
evil feral dog? you know what is also in the blood moon post EoC now?
spice hound
When is the rot cat that jumps at you and scratches all over your face
blazing field
its not horribly designed and its lack of complex programming dosent subtract from the concept too much
blazing field
<:aga:1384661278810837083> evil feral dog? you know what is also in the blood mo...
gulp ...
urban cloak
i remember archon had an idea for rotdog changes a while back
blazing field
rotdogs arent blood moon only btw, theyre just regular night enemies
urban cloak
might hit them up soon and see if i can get that implemented sometime
blazing field
i think rotdog changes should be fairly insubstantial, like
the concept shouldn't be completely flipped over its head
it should just be polished and improved a bit
i think, personally, that it should remain a fairly simple enemy
cuz its good at that
urban cloak
yea it was pretty much building off of what was already there from what i remember
blazing field
i will also say id personally change it to be
after u kill any 1 boss
rather than specifically eoc
cuz that fits the same niche but now if you like. kill desert scourge first or something
or king slime
agile latch
pangolin, aardvark or ant eater for the crusade ant destroyer.. which is cooler
polar tide
it bothers me so much how rotdogs are creatures that come from the same origin as demon eyes but theyre like just regular domestic dogs with collars and stuff
blazing field
i mean
wait the bestiary right
i thought u emant like
same origin as in they're night enemies
ngl yeah id change their bestairy entry to just be
agile latch
the bestiary says its from the same origin as demon eyes..
blazing field
theyre undead dogs bro
agile latch
arent they just zombie dogs yea
blazing field
theyre like zombies but theyre dogs
polar tide
ya
spice hound
pangolin, aardvark or ant eater for the crusade ant destroyer.. which is cooler
Pangolins would go hard
blazing field
I like the idea of Crusader Ants
It rolls of the tongue better than
Crusader Pangolin or Crusader Aardvark
and i just think it feels liek a more ,
dunno how to describe it, grounded? fitting? concept
polar tide
"a creature tailored specifically to kill people" and its a regular ass dog zombie with a collar
spice hound
Crusader ants do sound like it’d work as an actual name for an ant species
agile latch
so the crusade ants would be like soldiers, clad crab is a fortress, what should the pangolin be..
fitting the thematic
molten grove
Crusader ants do sound like it’d work as an actual name for an ant species
army ants:
blazing field
from soldiers
"These foul ghouls used to be trained guard dogs, loyally assisting their masters in wars. Even after death, they are still loyal, searching for brains to eat alongside their now equally hungry and equally undead masters."
Some bullshit
blazing field
fitting the thematic
Tank?
blazing field
"These foul ghouls used to be trained guard dogs, loyally assisting their master...
I like the general idea i have here but i think the wording could be a bit better
agile latch
true or a catapult, catapult tank pangolin that uses it tail to hurl large boulder at the ants (and the player )
blazing field
It getrting a abit silly at the end is fun, but, i kind of want to not reuse "masters" twice
i feel like pangolins would fit better in the desert than in the forest tho
them being neutral surface desert creatures would be fun
hmm, wait, idea
the pangolins and ants have a rivalry
agile latch
clad crabs arent desert..
blazing field
And they could have a unique interaction where they fight
Yeha but pangolins in a forestj ust feels
weird
theyre notably not rly forest animals
spice hound
Add crusader ant lions for the desert and desert clad crabs
urban cloak
clab crab desert variant...
agile latch
a armadillo
they do eat ants
spice hound
ArsenalLab crabs when
agile latch
fry user.. how hard would it be to make armadilo attack crusade ants, and crusade ants gang up clad crabs
forest militia
blazing field
"These foul ghouls used to be trained guard dogs, loyally assisting their master...
"Once loyal guard dogs trained to protect their masters in wars & combat, they have become foul undead. Even after death, however, they still follow their masters, who they have become just as brain-hungry as."
I like this better
urban cloak
not hard at all but im interested in how big the ants would actually be spritewise
agile latch
like this i think (upper one)
blazing field
THEY ENSHITIFFIED HIM
urban cloak
should be fine then yea
agile latch
compressed
blazing field
I feel like
spice hound
Also would the crusader ants be like hostile towards players or no
blazing field
Armadillos would be neutral, Clad crabs are territorial right now, and the ants would be aggressive
urban cloak
was worried it'd be too small and you'd see a poor armadillo getting attacked by single pixels 😭
blazing field
the ants would be fuckin evil
clad crabs arent completely hostile
they only get hostile if u get way too close
the ants would chase eyou and eat you they hate you
armadillos only attack if u attack first
🥺
spice hound
Let the player use the bug net on the ants but the ants crawl around your inventory and damage you
agile latch
i assume it would be a group of 5, with a big headed shield ant on the front (like these ants that are used as doors, but its head is used as a shield ) and 4 spear ants behind (spear head or spear jaws )
falinks ants
urban cloak
i did want to make changes to clad crab's behavior to make it truly neutral actually
its sitting on my computer rn just haven't touched it in a while
blazing field
Clad crab behavior is a bit lame rn i cannot lie
It dosen't really do much beyond just being like a guy
urban cloak
but having the ants would be good since those can act as protection to some of them
blazing field
would be neat if it actually camoed as ar ock
but that'd require anims ...,,
is shockstorm shuttle rework + post ml move in hogwild again? idrm if it was that for a later update
spice hound
Hear me out let the player use the clad crab as a platform, like have its top be able to be stood on
urban cloak
later
blazing field
i cant wait for post ml to go from like 8 to 9 enemies itll be so beautiful
urban cloak
heartwarming: major game tier gets 1 piece of non-boss exploration content ♥️
spice hound
I really hope that eventually post-moon lord will actually have a lot of unique enemies and general creatures because like rn it has so few new creatures
agile latch
in the future ™
agile latch
i feel like if ants and armadilo get real + clad crab being better
blazing field
triangle user do u have any random ideas for post ml enemies yet
spice hound
New jungle enemy post-moon lord thats a mossier hornet
blazing field
in hm u should have
the claddest crab
or actually
a Crusader Ant Queen would b cool
agile latch
for surface desert i only really have the mata mata turtle (glass one ) and goblin sand shark
urban cloak
New jungle enemy post-moon lord thats a mossier hornet
genuinely just evil
agile latch
arent wasps super close to ants
urban cloak
idk anything about bug biology
agile latch
militia wasps in the jungle that are the cousin of crusade ants, and they just shoot the player to death while in a group and there is balistic shield wasps protecting them
blazing field
ants specifically r basically super derived wasps that lost flight completely
agile latch
yea
blazing field
militia wasps in the jungle that are the cousin of crusade ants, and they just s...
evil
kindred night
22 hornets are the most dangerous
agile latch
enemies that works in group are kinda fun.. severe lack of them
blazing field
post moon lord ocean enemy that is a non-irradiated aquatic scourge lol
ocean scourge real life
urban cloak
militia wasps in the jungle that are the cousin of crusade ants, and they just s...
hornet behavior in death mode 😈
blazing field
i thin khe snow biome could use more critters
theres only penguins
can we get a seal critter
and like a bigger reindeer cuz more ambient large creatures are COOL. thanks
kindred night
wasp fly-by shooting
spice hound
I could see like maybe some post-moon lord marble or like maybe crimson enemies that are like meant to be like a group of highly trained soldiers who like maybe had ties to the god of war or something
blazing field
crimson and corruption post ml content should def have
strong ties to dogma/war
flesh soldiers
agile latch
actually aardvark tank instead of armadilo could be fun too and it use its nose like a tank barrel to shoot
agile latch
beloved aardvark
kindred night
aardvark plane
spice hound
Have a crimson post-moon lord enemy thats an undead warrior thats riding an armoured herpling or something
blazing field
I can see structures being added to corruption/crimson in the evil biome update too
that are like. ruins of the former god council
misty wren
aardvark plane
this sounds like something from wild kratts but i dont think its from wild kratts
kindred night
this sounds like something from wild kratts but i dont think its from wild kratt...
its something from real life
blazing field
Have a crimson post-moon lord enemy thats an undead warrior thats riding an armo...
Yeah that'd be neat
herpling horse
Neigh.
urban cloak
what even are herplings i never understood them
kindred night
a pale horse
kindred night
what even are herplings i never understood them
dumb fucking shits
blazing field
i think they're just
kindred night
i hate them
spice hound
what even are herplings i never understood them
I think they’re evil crimson slugs maybe
blazing field
piles of flesh
they kinda look like slugs but i dont think they even actually are sludges its moe like
kinda like how blood crawlers arent actually spiders
but just
very deformed and mutilated bodies morphed into the shape of one
herplings r like that but a slug instead
kindred night
Bouncy slug
blazing field
the crimson becomes way more fucked up if you think abt how that shit looks outside of the funny pixel game filter
urban cloak
fucked up evil flesh slipper
misty wren
oh herplings is based off herp derp i thought the name was based off herpes
blazing field
like its some fear and hunger body horror shit
spice hound
I will say if the evils 2 rework ends up like scrapping basically the perforators themselves from the fight using them as an enemy inspiration for post-moon lord crimson enemies could be cool
blazing field
i'm unsure of how u could tie a worm to themes of war and such going with this interpretation
maybe they could just be pre hm enemies instead
i'm trying to think of smth but i cant think of much
spice hound
A really long horse
blazing field
like u could make ti so the worms are like spears ig
but that feels kind of forced i feel?
misty wren
i'm unsure of how u could tie a worm to themes of war and such going with this i...
war so fucked up even the chunks of flesh are active combatants
spice hound
Or like a bunch of soldiers amalgamated together in like a battle formation
blazing field
Or like a bunch of soldiers amalgamated together in like a battle formation
I can see this actually yeah
Like
The "head" is a bunch of bodies carrying weapons stikcing out
yeah i can see that
urban cloak
arms sticking out of the segments letting it burrow and crawl around quickly too
blazing field
true!
imagine its little arms
in the segments
can start like, spinning blades around
making its entire body like a uzzsaw
I imagine t being really long and being able to make loops in the terrain
And then it slows down after trapping you inside of its loops
and starts spinning the blades around
So it's a strong area denial enemy
u wanna avoid being cornered/trapped by it
call it Platoon or something
reference
spice hound
I could also see like an enemy that is like a guy with a giant battle war-horn thing as part of the design
agile latch
the current scutler names are Amethist Scutler, Topaz Hopper, Sapphire Surfer, Emerald Basher, Ruby Rammer, Diamond drifter and Amber Bouncer
blazing field
I like those alot
agile latch
Bouncer because they bounce the boulders around and like party bouncers..
blazing field
still do sorta prefer Clinger over Basher but other than that
yeah bouncer is awesome
drifter is def better than soarer or whatever it was i had
blazing field
reference
is fry "john enemies" zahh writing this shit down right now 😭
i know what you are
urban cloak
im ngl i already have the behavior planned out in my head lol
urban cloak
i need to start making a habit of sketching these things tho
blazing field
its literally. a platoon! of soldiers
urban cloak
sure
blazing field
YAYYY REFERENCE
misty wren
i need to start making a habit of sketching these things tho
become lgl
blazing field
designing and coding enemies is addicting so i get you
urban cloak
become lgl
blazing field
again. favorite thing to code for roy is enemies but alas i cannot do that right now
urban cloak
incoming master doc of my enemy behavior ideas
spice hound
Hear me out post-moon lord versions of the vicious critters that are just now wearing little gladiator helmets and armour
misty wren
i should be a dev i wont do anything but i can ideasguy i promise
blazing field
i remember when i was
looking at fabsolian sso changelogs
i just kept seeing
weapon rework weapon rework boss changes
id constantly go on calamity update talk
PLEASE
PLEASE A SINGLE ENEMY
PLEASE I'M STARVING
PLEASE
PELASE IM TIRED OF WEAPON AND BOSS CHANGES PLEASE IM BEGG
frail owl
plagiarism mod
blazing field
we have weapon reworks to feed you for
agile latch
DS weapon concept, what the users think
blazing field
that feels more like a mage weapon
urban cloak
PELASE IM TIRED OF WEAPON AND BOSS CHANGES PLEASE IM BEGG
there were honestly quite a few of them merged onto main by the time i joined so im not really sure why they never made it on there
blazing field
class identity is dead and all that but it REALLY feels like am age weapon
blazing field
Yeahh i get that its a ammoless ranged weapon n thats cool but the whole like
the vibes, the aesthethics
from what im hearing
REALLY scream mage 😭
other than that tho, cool
feels like a good crowd control weapon
urban cloak
there were honestly quite a few of them merged onto main by the time i joined so...
tho people at the time seemed to be very secretive about new sso content so that probably played a part in it
urban cloak
2 years of weapon rework spoilers
agile latch
rainstorm
blazing field
will all of DS's weapons be replaced or will some be kept still
the only one i'd be bummedi n losing would be the melee one tbh
agile latch
sahara slicers living
agile latch
yea
blazing field
would be cool if they had a sort of oasis theming to them
misty wren
class identity is dead and all that but it REALLY feels like am age weapon
genuinely 99% of class identity being dead just means it has the vibes of a class
spice hound
Is the dried starfish staff staying or dying
agile latch
being moved
spice hound
Ah okay
agile latch
urchin
blazing field
ah so it'll just be Not Dry
aye fair enough
urchin will get a mage weapon and a rogue weapon or does the rouge weapon die
i wouldnt mind if the rouge weapon died
its nothing
nothingburger weapon
agile latch
urchin will get a mage weapon and a rogue weapon or does the rouge weapon die
summoner
the starfish that gives you defense
misty wren
genuinely 99% of class identity being dead just means it has the vibes of a clas...
even if functionally it doesnt act like a weapon from that class "should" if the visuals can make it look like something from that class then it can be part of that class
spice hound
Random idea for a post-moon lord desert enemy I just came up with: A cassowary, an ordinary cassowary
agile latch
it will be fun making the DS weapons fit with AS later
agile latch
acid watering can or bubble watering can
blazing field
yes someone will care
corroded watering can ,,,
instead of sahara slicers its chernobyl slicers
😭
agile latch
i forgot about these.. i need to make them eventually
blazing field
i love ideasguying in cut
spice hound
the starfish that gives you defense
I do kind of hope if it get redesigned it gets changed to maybe like visually look like a shield a bit so the defensive ability makes a bit more sense and fits its actual theme
blazing field
i forgot about these.. i need to make them eventually
i remember these
that'd be cool
agile latch
green humor thumb buddy
misty wren
even if functionally it doesnt act like a weapon from that class "should" if the...
case and point 90% of people that have issues with burning sky as it is now (minus the ranged reforges i hate the ranged reforges) would not have an issue with it if it had usestyle 1
blazing field
yeah it rly is just vibes
the watering can having a magicky aesthethic, and doing the verym agical feeling ability of spawning cactuses
makes it feel mage imo
If it was just like
throwing the watering can
or just shooting water with it
i could see it being ranger
agile latch
you are watering down and sprouting cactus
just how you water plants to grow them up
grave geyser
case and point 90% of people that have issues with burning sky as it is now (min...
the ranged reforge is peak and its not like it was benefitting from fucking melee size anyway
blazing field
Maybe others dont feel the same way i do but it just feels very magepilled
misty wren
i think if it were thrown into sprouting cactuses rather than it spawning magic water droplet it would feel more ranger
blazing field
yeah but then it kinda loses thea ppeal of being a watering can
agile latch
yea but also 10 times more boring
blazing field
yeh
agile latch
i mean it could be the mage weapon but then it would need a ranged option
misty wren
unfortunate consequence of ranged being ranged
blazing field
yeah id personally do that
Ranged ammoless weapon
That's like
Desert scourge head
spice hound
Sandgun upgrade scourge drop trust it’d be peak
agile latch
that is kinda boring compared to others
want to be more whimsical with it and not just make it be "DS jaw and it shoots sand"
agile latch
summoner for example is a cactus bat that let you hit and do home runs with nuisances
blazing field
but that feels kinda fablespilled
spice hound
Make the ranged weapon an atlatl that lets you fire darts and stuff
blazing field
ana tlatl would be quite cool
spice hound
Alternatively this is going to sound a little weird but like a sand vacuum cleaner thing that sucks up enemies and sand in a small vortex and launches them out when you stop using the weapon
agile latch
Alternatively this is going to sound a little weird but like a sand vacuum clean...
well i did have the mental image of a living lizard the player hold and vaccum sand with, then spit a sand ball
but it would be kinda uncanny
misty wren
me and my dragoon drizzlefish
blazing field
thta feels very terrariapilled if anything lol
like yeah red would add shit like that
are there plans for rogue btw?
the weapon i mean. for ds
i love ideasguying and hearing about dev's ideasguy endeavours in cut
its really fun. so fun
and also makes me
excited for future updates
:D
agile latch
the weapon i mean. for ds
all weapons besides mage have concepts yea
spice hound
I guess one could say that you love brainstorming ideas, maybe ones that’ll be in an update
blazing field
I guess one could say that you love ***brainstorm***ing ideas, maybe ones that’l...
nervous gulp
blazing field
it has one (lizard charmer flute ) but its still being discussed
To be fair
It's not unheard of for certain bosses to be more important for certain classes
its good design even cuz it means ur prioritizing certain specific fights in diff playhtroughs
so if DS were to have 2 mage weapons, that could be fien imo
though it feels a bit odd to prioritize mage specifically with DS
its not a very magical creaturei dont think
relies more on physical strenght and such
spice hound
I will say a lizard charmer flute might feel a bit too similar to the snake charmer’s flute at least from a basic concept of the item so maybe like making it a different wind instrument or something could work better as an idea to not feel to confusing with scf’s existence
spice hound
I do wonder what the plan is for the profaned enemies because like rn it does feel like they are out of place spawning in the hallow and underworld
Like I can kind of see them kind of fitting in the underworld but like them still being tied to the hallow is very odd
urban cloak
things to worry about in The Future™ (there's no plan rn)
they definitely won't stay the way they are now tho
spice hound
Thats fair yeah that is definitely something to figure out in the future
arctic cliff
I guess one could say that you love ***brainstorm***ing ideas, maybe ones that’l...
the brainstorming might be getting hog wild at this rate
spice hound
HOLY MOLY NEW SPOILERS
Especially that rotten meat it looks very spoiled
But what is that evil and intimidating red aura for
grave geyser
for the evil and intimidating red aura boss
spice hound
Ahh I see
urban cloak
But what is that evil and intimidating red aura for
Uh Oh
tropic jolt
nameless deity is looking strange
vivid wedge
nameless deity is looking strange
Avatar of emptiness won the fight and absorbed nameless
kindred night
nameless deity is looking strange
we're summoning ozzatron
spice hound
Avatar of emptiness won the fight and absorbed nameless
Nah piggy absorbed the both of them and became that thing
tropic jolt
five little ozzatrons jumping on the bed 
teal bone
nameless deity is looking strange
tropic jolt
wrath of the hogs
spice hound
It kind of looks like theres maybe a blood moon going on in that image with like how the background it kind of red tinted so like porkably probably something to do with a blood moon
kindred night
<:ozzathoth:1467667187937448105>
Evil ozzatron
spice hound
Is it like for the horribler hog thats even more horrible
dense cosmos
That was my nickname in highschool
dense cosmos
Thank you that means a lot.
spice hound
No your tremor mod
tropic jolt
twisted visage of a spiteful swine
horrible hog 🐗
spice hound
Its for the horrible hog’s niece the abhorrent boar
boreal edge
This is @blazing field's fault
spice hound
True this is all because of tremor mod
tropic jolt
why did tremor mod do this?
blazing field
True
tropic jolt
why did horrible hog make chara make tremor mod do this?
spice hound
tropic jolt
velvet egret
The spoiler makes me think of Nameless because of the black bar censor
spice hound
They should’ve done like a stretched png of the horrible hog as a censor bar instead so people wouldn’t think its nameless
velvet egret
She Avatar to my Emptiness till I ▆▆▆▆▆▆
spice hound
Is it actually like the hog thats being censored in the pig
velvet egret
The aura doesn't help
blazing field
- its a blood moon, hog spawns during blood moon
- its a direct contrast with divine swine having a big light aura too
- it's horrible
its absolutely the Horrible Hog Aura
tropic jolt
WHAT IS THE HORRIBLE HOG
blazing field
it's Horrible.
velvet egret
Bro needs to take a shower. He smells like unfettered ass
blazing field
he does his meat is Disgusting
agile latch
That was my nickname in highschool
your nickname was horrible hog evil aura?
dense cosmos
Way to rub it in
urban cloak
The spoiler makes me think of Nameless because of the black bar censor
i need to find a new way of hiding things in spoilers huh
tropic jolt
we need exo tape to cover these things up
spice hound
Just put a png of yharim over the top of anything with one of those fake trans parent backgrounds
dusk bronze
things to worry about in The Future™ (there's no plan rn)
please. please remove providence biome lock
it's so useless
you can have the laser and crystal rain just be surface or underground i beg
arctic cliff
Oh god, Azafure LLC has mastered shaders.
tropic jolt
providence when you summon her by flaunting the remains of her fallen guardians but you're 2 centimeters outside the hallow so she goes back to sleep
neat dock
please. please remove providence biome lock
it's so useless
you can have the la...
Just make her utilize both in the fight like enraged does
amber egret
both at once
dusk bronze
Just make her utilize both in the fight like enraged does
also true
amber egret
have her box you in while she showers crystals
spice hound
Make there be two providences at once each using a different attack variation
arctic cliff
the provi lock sucks because hallow
if she was only underworld noone would care because its the fucking underworld
barren hollow
Please tell me these will be vanity wings it looks so peak
nocturne sonnet
what a horrible spoiler
we need some birds
dusk bronze
if she was only underworld noone would care because its the fucking underworld
she was originally underworld only but making a functional arena sucked dick
urban cloak
Please tell me these will be vanity wings it looks so peak
the animator left the team so like
probability is quite low
could consider it for later ig
tropic jolt
💔
barren hollow
the animator left the team so like
Nooooooooo, damn it.
kindred night
the animator left the team so like
That's horrible
dusk bronze
make a divine swine mount that carries you
spice hound
Just make them wings but just have the divine swine just be visually placed behind the player’s sprite so no new animations are needed
barren hollow
I'd be cool with that lmao
urban cloak
its not impossible to replicate just probably not smth that'd be worked on rn
dusk bronze
make a divine swine mount that carries you
just. dangle you by the head
barren hollow
The animation is so fluid
arctic cliff
i mean the wing animations seem done pretty much
neat dock
just. dangle you by the head
New stork just dropped
spice hound
Honestly a divine swine mount that has it carry you from below it having like a matching horrible hog mount which you rid on top of would be cool to parallel eachother
dusk bronze
i mean the wing animations seem done pretty much
it is done
that's why it's in #spoilers
arctic cliff
it would have to be separated from the sprite itself and then edited a little but i think it can be done
(talking about making it into wings)
but i dunno
arctic cliff
spriting sounds scary and this mgiht be scarier than i anticipated
dusk bronze
Recipe Browser
neat dock
Yo
urban cloak
i thought cheese changed her nickname again im ngl
dusk bronze
same 😭
neat dock
I'm copying
What is that last thing though is there any knowledge because im kinda stupid rn
urban cloak
You'll See
blazing field
i thought cheese changed her nickname again im ngl
Hey whats up
blazing field
What is that last thing though is there any knowledge because im kinda stupid rn
I'm willing to bet money it's The Hog it seems very obvious to me but maybe i'm wrong
theres a chance i'm wrong but
cmon
red aura contrasting divine's swine light aura
seen on a blood moon, which is where hog spawns
dusk bronze
make a divine swine mount that carries you
cheese what do yuo think
neat dock
The horrible hog feels more stinky though, as the second image seems to imply
urban cloak
Hey whats up
where's 2.0
neat dock
Not fucking demonic
dusk bronze
from undertale
yeah
gloomy bridge
Nameless Hog of Entropy
blazing field
Not fucking demonic
no tha thing is definitely demonic
it spawns on the blood moon and summons hordes of zombies to maul you
its literally satan
neat dock
No, Fucking Demonic
gloomy bridge
He's the devil
blazing field
where's 2.0
my fault
dusk bronze
my favorite ost Bird That Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
gloomy bridge
He is smarter than you, he is luckier than you
neat dock
my favorite ost Bird That Carries You Over a Disproportionately Small Gap
fucking killed me when I learned this had alphys's motif
spice hound
Hear me out its the secret 5th piggy which is actually a blood moon fishing encounter
dusk bronze
fucking killed me when I learned this had alphys's motif
OH RIGHT i forgor that
most random motif award
spice hound
What about like doesn’t waterfall and like undynes themes have like a ruins motif or something for no reason too
arctic cliff
the last one is so funny though
arctic cliff
it literally looks like a wotg teaser
misty wren
its ozzatron calamity. hes here
arctic cliff
oh.
spice hound
neat dock
that's ozzatron's hair
spice hound
I will say if that is for the hog its gonna look so goofy with that horrifying aura for just a green pig
blazing field
exactly its awesome
desert garnet
I will say if that is for the hog its gonna look so goofy with that horrifying a...
He will turn red in blood moon
tribal isle
Is the last one horrible hog charging up its attack
spice hound
Honestly all those effects for like just a rare enemy type guy is like very goofy but like perfect
blazing field
given divine swine already has over the top effects it only makes sense the Hog is too
tribal isle
Are they gonna add the golden horrible hog
blazing field
Are they gonna add the golden horrible hog
no but theres gonna be a golden piggy
spice hound
They should make shiny golden variants for the piggy variants
urban cloak
there's an alternate universe out there where divine swine is called heavenly hog and horrible hog is called satanic swine
blazing field
there's an alternate universe out there where divine swine is called heavenly ho...
this is true
grim pecan
remember when the death activating item was called "satanic scepter of death"
good times
blazing field
Satanic Swine and Heavenly Hog are actually their post ml counterparts
satanic pig of death
new post yharim boss
packi tu p everyone
calamity's done
dosent need anything else
spice hound
Theres also probably another timeline where instead of being a horrible hog it was actually an aggressive avian that started all this chaos
blazing field
haaaah hooha
grim pecan
calamity's done
done22 reference no way
urban cloak
sky biome crumbs ❤️
spice hound
Tormented boar of malice when
blazing field
the vfx could also be for a specific anim or attack
like the rora ti has that summons a horde of zombies
Divine Swine is good, Horrible Hog is Evil
thus the Bashful Boar is indifferent
spice hound
Since the horrible hog needs you to throw vicious powder on a piggy and divine swine needs purification powder, what would turn a piggy into the bashful boar
spice hound
Nah that turns it into bacon
blazing field
su gar
spice hound
Confection piggy
urban cloak
weirdly enough this convo has made me realise there is no astral variant of the biome powder collection
which is weird when you realise that star struck water exists
spice hound
There also isn’t a hallow powder either?
urban cloak
actually true yeah you're right
spice hound
It just evils and purity
spice hound
Make hallow and astral powders then so we can see more conversions
grim pecan
purification powder does have hallow colors rather than purity, being light blue
true oriole
onyx valve
Does the Divine Swine taste like either holy bacon or chicken wings?
spice hound
The divine swine tastes like infinite bacon but no games
spice hound
weirdly enough this convo has made me realise there is no astral variant of the ...
Wait hear me out let the player throw starblight soot and have it serve as astral powder
Random thought I wonder like if theres any plans for the crimson and corruption effigy cos thinking about it it would make a lot of sense to make them themed after like the gods of war and dogma
arctic cliff
i think they should make more items have alternative functions ngl
like that
my crackpot idea with galactica singularities before they got announced to be removed in hogwilds was to just make them astrum deus drops
as replacements for the lunar fragments
spice hound
god astrum deus dropping lunar fragments still is also still very crazy to me like it makes 0 lore sense anymore
arctic cliff
and you would "decraft" them by using stuff like the astral beacon
i think the only reason they stay now is just because its nice
blazing field
in old lore pillaras were still a ml thing and ml was like
a dark god or whatever
which i dotn think deus had any ties to
spice hound
well they kind of were presumably space-related things with their names so like idk
misty wren
i dotn thin kti ever did
it didnt
blazing field
alot of things dont make lore sense like why does plantera drop a heavy metal guitar
the issue is more so just that it's kinda stupid
arctic cliff
the pillars are still a ml thing btw
blazing field
yeah they still are but theyre a different flavour of ml thing now
misty wren
genuinely it was just so deus could be a pillars alt so you dont have to constantly refight cultist and then pillars just to do moon lord again or to get more galactica singularities
arctic cliff
they're just... his method of containing the power of the souls of auric dragons
blazing field
idt old lore had a like
really specific explanation for em
ml was a dark god and he uhh made them ig with his
dark god powers
yummers
arctic cliff
so somehow the astrum deus or the astral infection contains portions of the domains of auric dragons
spice hound
clearly astrum aureus had just taken a nibble of each pillar one time and thats why they drop em
blazing field
new lroe actually does though
misty wren
really specific explanation for em
actually there just wasnt an explanation for them im pretty sure
spice hound
also why does calamity make the pillar enemies drop the fragments like what really was the point of that if killing them unlocks the pillars which actually drop the fragments
blazing field
wait it does that
why
i guess its to like make it so you get more fragments overall and thus have to farm them less idk
misty wren
yeah
blazing field
i guess that isn't that bad of a feature
like that's fine
its just deus dropping it too thats stupid
misty wren
i think deus dropping them was good for the time
because fragments hadnt yet been added to the post deus astral crate pool (are they even still there i forgot)
spice hound
they're probably not anymore
arctic cliff
okay but in all honesty i think moon lord's hypothetical future rev+ rework should let him use the powers of the pillars
like fargos
misty wren
because fragments hadnt yet been added to the post deus astral crate pool (are t...
so the Only way to get more fragments was to kill cultist and then do pillars and then do moon lord
arctic cliff
but probably in a cooler way
blazing field
okay but in all honesty i think moon lord's hypothetical future rev+ rework shou...
that'd be cool yea
with the standard set by brain i can see it happenin
spice hound
Have moon lord's rework have him throw the actual moon at you
misty wren
forgotten evils i think
spice hound
forgotten evils 🤮
arctic cliff
forgotten balls
spice hound
I sure hope those evils are forgotten
misty wren
christ on a bike i went to the old cal lore doc and accidentally put a space into control f
spice hound
thats a lot of space
arctic cliff
thats a lot of space
spice hound
I do actually now wonder if like when more post-moon lord enemies are added if like the astral infection would get any new enemies or no
misty wren
i would hope so
right now its an island of content
it doesnt interact with anything and nothing interacts with it aside from wof spawning it
blazing field
unless specified otherwise im working under the assumption the plans are generally to have new content for all major biomes in post ml
of course, not all of them will get a ton of it
some like the evil biomes or sky will likely get more of an actual focus, given the presence of a boss and story relevance there
but like the snow biome or the desert can get some stuff too
spice hound
yo can't wait for the new spider cave enemy post moon lord 🕷️
misty wren
spider caves should Die
blazing field
unless specified otherwise im working under the assumption the plans are general...
This would be ideal anyways
you dont wanna go into one of the actual major biomes and see that theres
ahem
Nothing There
misty wren
new crimson enemy Nothing There
spice hound
yeah I just kind of thought since you defeat astrum deus pre-moon lord and like the biome becoming stronger after they are gone might be a bit odd
blazing field
deus moved to post ml this instant immediately
it will be real surely
i believe
i trust
i want to believe
ufo image
misty wren
it fucking better be
spice hound
true that'd be peak
misty wren
like
spice hound
honestly it could be neat to have like deus and evils 2 on the same "tier" since like then it kind of would end up with a neat grouping but idk
misty wren
deus has to move somewhere, its current placement is entirely dogshit. moving it earlier puts it almost immediately after aureus so thats not a good idea so it HAS to be pushed up in progression
blazing field
itd be evil2, deus and profaned guardians
spice hound
deus has to move somewhere, its current placement is entirely dogshit. moving it...
yeah post-cultist pre-moon lord is definitely a bold choice to place an unrelated boss
blazing field
which i think is a nice lineup
misty wren
the prehardmode stuff, the new hardmode stuff, and the new post moon lord stuff
spice hound
itd be evil2, deus and profaned guardians
that does kind of make me wish the guardians stayed in like the hallow because then itd be neatly done where it has a boss for each of the infection biomes but like thats not going to stay almost certainly
misty wren
it already doesnt i think
blazing field
shrimply add the Profaned INfection. gg
misty wren
ok so they're weird
spice hound
don't they still need either the hallow or underworld which like kind of would fit that idk
misty wren
they have to be spawned in the hallow or hell but they dont enrage to my knowledge
spice hound
thats not that odd the other hallow bosses even do that
like they don't enrage out of the hallow
I do also hope that like the guardians get more things differentiating them from providence cos right now they feel so similar and like its a bit like underwhelming and like they're more of a mini-boss than a real boss
blazing field
ngl i can like kinda see underworld provi/guardians still making some sense
fire, flame, ashes, underworld, yeah sure
but hallow is definitely just a no go
spice hound
well there are the profaned crystal stuff but fair
blazing field
fire, flame, ashes, underworld, yeah sure
bone serpents are apparently supposed to be related to the flame dragon too so
there's some narrative connection there
i wouldnt be surprised if providence's theoretical hypothetical esoterical biome ends up being in the underworld or near it
spice hound
since like the hallow does have crystals in it they do kinda fit the hallow vaguely but yeah underworld makes a lot more sense
blazing field
the crystals should die tbh
they kinad just clutter the design and dont rly make any sense for the narrative of providence's character
providence's current sprite was designed for old lore where it made alot more sense
since she was like a chaos demon angel thing so her design being chaotic and messy made sense in that context
with alot of random bullshit
spice hound
hear me out make them a lava layer boss trust the first lava-layer exclusive fight in modded terraria
blazing field
me fighting providence on a tiny cave ❤️🩹
providence is a boss that i do think needs a redesign but unlike say. evil2 or polterghast tha boy those things need total makeovers
shes more like.
spice hound
but yeah the underworld is probably the best place for a profaned biome cos like it really has like no other place it works at
blazing field
id give the new design the same general basis as the current one
shes got a nice silhouette and a iconic design, plus not all elements are bad
but some of em really are eh
spice hound
the roots of her design make 0 sense rn
misty wren
its messy and cluttered but as cal designs go its up there
cunning sequoia
it's more interesting at least
compared to something like brimmy or polter
who are just boring as fuck
blazing field
alot of current cal designs where made in a era where there wanst much tought put into the actual design part of things
but provi actually is like
provi was an better design for its time
it did make sense with provi's lore
it just dosen't naymore
it being clutttered was the point
misty wren
i dread the dev that has to resprite provi
blazing field
meanwhile most other cal designs don't really even try to employ proper creature or character design it's juist
go my terraria boss
so provi actually stands out in that regard
blazing field
Was it perfect? No, i think she could have found ways to employ the angle and demon aspect more nicely in the design. Make the wings flame angel wings, per example, give her great ramlike horns
opaque plume
😭
blazing field
But it definitely had a vision
most other old calamity designs did Not have a vision
which again, no hate to those spriters
misty wren
i dread the dev that has to resprite provi
already shes almost as big as yharons resprite and more than just having wings she has FIRE WINGS ACROSS 90% OF HER SPRITE WHICH IS EXTRA HELL TORTURE
blazing field
they were just working under much lower quality standards
cunning sequoia
Was it perfect? No, i think she could have found ways to employ the angle and de...
i could be your angle.... or your dmon...
blazing field
there wasnt a need to really care much about creature or character design
spice hound
I will say like I do kind of feel while quite odd honestly keeping the "roots" and crystals in her design could let the profaned guardians maybe to be like redesigned to be each focused on like a different part of providence's design, like one designed focused with the crystals, another focusing on the roots, and another maybe moreso based on like the rock or something
misty wren
already shes almost as big as yharons resprite and more than just having wings s...
there is a reason provis fire is 3 colors.