transportation

[jagged sentinel]

The engine is the only thing that was special about it

[blissful lagoon]

I only like 1 4th gen and that's the targa

[jagged sentinel]

Only reason I don't completely hate the supra

[heady swift]

meanwhile you can get a subie sti or evo for pretty cheap here

[blissful lagoon]

Toyota no doubt did make a great engine

Just don't like the hype its stupid

Most jdm cars are like that unless its a carry van

actual that's not true

[jagged sentinel]

You could tune an LS7 to 1000 Horsepower for the same price it costs to just buy an mk4 supra in decent condition

[blissful lagoon]

Yep

[jagged sentinel]

Not to mention 2JZ parts...

[heady swift]

why on earth would you want a 1000hp engine

[blissful lagoon]

Japanese parts are and will stay expensive

[heady swift]

aside from drag racing

[blissful lagoon]

unless budget car

[jagged sentinel]

I was making an example

[blissful lagoon]

Eh tuning an engine to 600hp is more reasonable

[jagged sentinel]

Anything above 750hp is too much for daily driving

[manic night]

Anyone here likes the datsun 240z

[jagged sentinel]

Cute little thing

[blissful lagoon]

ah the 240, electric problems are weird in some

[jagged sentinel]

electric problems are common in some
Laughs in DMC Delorean

[manic night]

So the gt500 is not a daily

[jagged sentinel]

It can be a daily

[blissful lagoon]

Oh yea the delorean

[jagged sentinel]

It's right on the edge of reasonable power

[blissful lagoon]

I like to ignore the existence of the DMC delorean

[jagged sentinel]

You can't deny the fact that

[blissful lagoon]

i just don't like it doesn't catch my eye but it does look kinda cool

[jagged sentinel]

It defined 80s car design

It personified it

[heady swift]

a guy in my city drives his quite often, it's honestly a pretty mild car

[proper elbow]

John DeLorean has an interesting story

[heady swift]

once you see it

[proper elbow]

Drug smuggling, etc

[manic night]

Any of u ever seen a delorean

[jagged sentinel]

@proper elbow he was really damn good at visually designing cars tho

[blissful lagoon]

I have seen a delorean 1 time and it was on the way to jackson Tennessee to get possibly restored or scrapped

Front damage

destroyed

[manic night]

Oh that sucks if it got scrapped

[jagged sentinel]

There's a company that builds Deloreans

Like, nowadays

[blissful lagoon]

Yea i heard of that

kinda neat

[jagged sentinel]

Just, without all the electrical problems

And doors that would lock people inside at random

[blissful lagoon]

so a better one?

[heady swift]

I see one regularly and another one abroad

[jagged sentinel]

And the engine that it was originally intended to be sold with

[manic night]

Ive seen the delorean once in my life and it was from the movie back to the future

[jagged sentinel]

It was supposed to come with a V6, but something happened with the supplier and a 4 cylinder went into it instead

[blissful lagoon]

Looking at classifieds

why is a shit looking delsol 7k

[jagged sentinel]

So you haven't seen a Delorean

[manic night]

I have just from the movie

[jagged sentinel]

I'd love to see one in real life

[blissful lagoon]

I remember riding in a funny car before, no not the drag car a fucking model T my 3rd grade teacher had

[hybrid charm]

I JUST SENT YOU BACK TO THE FUTURE
YEAH I KNOW, IM BACK FROM THE FUTURE
passes out

[manic night]

Who here like muscle cars

[jagged sentinel]

Not one person here likes muscle cars wdym

[proper elbow]

nobody

[hybrid charm]

Not a single person

[manic night]

Oh didnt expect that

[jagged sentinel]

s a r c a s m

[hybrid charm]

What even is a "muscle car"

Never heard of one

[proper elbow]

idk

[jagged sentinel]

Didn't america make them or something?

[hybrid charm]

Idk

[jagged sentinel]

Fuckin weirdos, them

[blissful lagoon]

Spain made them i think

[hybrid charm]

Yeah

[blissful lagoon]

America nah

[hybrid charm]

No I think it was antarctica

[blissful lagoon]

Maybe

[jagged sentinel]

America more like "sorry but that's actually my oil, not yours"

[blissful lagoon]

Oil

[hybrid charm]

OUR OIL

⭐

[jagged sentinel]

Communism bad

We build nuek to end comunism

[hybrid charm]

Build nuke to end russia

[heady swift]

https://www.anibis.ch/fr/automobiles-voitures de tourisme--x/x--35479237.aspx

if only I had the funds

nearly impossible to find a proper tme

[blissful lagoon]

I want

[burnt badge]

im suprised these cars still exist

you rarely see vintage cars nowdays

https://tenor.com/view/volkswagen-bus-bug-gif-8825455

[blissful lagoon]

[blissful lagoon]

What

[gilded kelp]

Just make your own

[chrome chasm]

i thought germany was not going to adopt the f-18https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCVi5pbM-tQ

[jagged sentinel]

Cheaper then an F15 and much more versatile

[chrome chasm]

its cheaper?

i thought if they were gonna buy an american jet they were gonna get the f-35

[jagged sentinel]

Germany doesn't have much need for a stealth fighter

Especially at that price

[gilded kelp]

Yoooo

I wonder if these are available here or if they need to be imported

[chrome chasm]

where is here

what country

[kind osprey]

I’ve only seen one or two here

[gilded kelp]

USA

Also cool

The butterfly doors were a weird design choice tho

[chrome chasm]

idk

is that a soup bruh

[crimson stream]

it'll probably have to be imported

[hybrid charm]

anyone who mods suck

[delicate grotto]

Just a reminder, french car does the funny

[hybrid charm]

[gilded kelp]

shake dat ass fo me baby

[elder basin]

Who does that to a car? That ruins the car.

[terse axle]

god thats loud

[blissful lagoon]

Its the sound of 1200hp ofc its loud

[fallow jasper]

7

[elder basin]

There's a new Shelby mustang, it's a signature edition that goes on the GT

825+HP and manual transmission

[jagged sentinel]

Sauce?

[elder basin]

https://youtu.be/yTbP3F1n2wE

[jagged sentinel]

Looks like a gt350

Obviously excluding the b u l g e on the hood

[elder basin]

It kind of is, but it has a supercharger

[jagged sentinel]

Needs a spoiler

Especially with that kinda power

[elder basin]

Ducktail

[jagged sentinel]

Ah

Feel like a wing would better suit the look imo

[elder basin]

Yeah same here

[jagged sentinel]

Plus a ducktail isn't going to be as effective as a wing at the speeds that I almost know this car can achieve

[elder basin]

But even if you get it, which good luck its more than 100k, you wouldn't be modding it.

It's got Shelby's signature on a bunch of parts

[jagged sentinel]

First (if only) thing I'd do is put a wing on it

What fuel does it run on

Out of curiosity

[elder basin]

Let me check but I'd imagine premium or something

Yep 93 octane

[proper elbow]

🚮

[elder basin]

Even then I personally don't see the point of it, like it may have all the horsepower a kid could dream of, but how does it fare on the track compared to the discontinued Shelby gt350r

[jagged sentinel]

The GT350 was made for the track tho

[elder basin]

This is more for a dragstrip

[jagged sentinel]

Made with a focus on track performance anyway

Yeah for sure

[elder basin]

Hence the ducktail

[jagged sentinel]

The wing on the GT500 suggests decent track performance but

GT350 is just as good as the GT500

But it's cheaper and had 100 less horsepower

[elder basin]

You mean the new 500?

[jagged sentinel]

Yes

[elder basin]

I think that has a DCT, that'd be faster than the 350

[jagged sentinel]

The OG 500 was a dragstrip car all the way

[elder basin]

I'd say the current Gt500 is overall track purposed but the late gt350 is a daily driver

[jagged sentinel]

Agreed

[elder basin]

You're not going to get the same enjoyment factor from a manual to a DCT

[jagged sentinel]

750 hp is a bit much for a daily

Plus I don't imagine the gas mileage is spectacular

And depending on your neighbors, they'll probably hate you

[elder basin]

Isn't that the point?

[jagged sentinel]

In a daily?

[elder basin]

In any car, make your neighboors look out their window to marvel in your billow of smoke

[jagged sentinel]

I would have used gasoline for smoke

[elder basin]

Cut infront of the prius and drop into 2nd then floor it

[jagged sentinel]

Coal-roll

Classic

[elder basin]

that's what you get you liberals in your toy battery cars

[jagged sentinel]

Say what you want about electric cars

But they can move

[elder basin]

but there's no real enjoyment in them other than the fact that you can go 0-60 quickly

[jagged sentinel]

Not everyone needs to hear the engine to enjoy driving

I'm a petrosexual, so I would prefer to hear the engine

[elder basin]

it might just be personal preference to me, since I am one of those who prefers having a stick and able to hear the engine yelling at me for going too fast but rolling with it.

hell I even found out on a roadtrip to cali, that to get 100mph in my actual car, it's 3rd gear just below Revlimit and not 4th gear 4500rpm

I think I topped out at 110mph as my highest top speed that entire trip

[old sedge]

Wow, some legendary cars are built because of Ferrari's arrogance. After Ferrari insulted Ferruccio Lamborghini, Lambo built his own cars which became the Lamborghini cars. After Ferrari angered Ford, Ford built the Ford GT40 which defeated Ferrari in the 24 hours of LeMans 4 times in a row.

[kind osprey]

Stubborn boy was influential when he wanted to, and when he didn't want to.

full circle legend.

[old sedge]

My question is. Did Ford really had to change the GT40's whole brake assembly during a pit stop after a brake failure or it's just in the movie?

[jagged sentinel]

That's a very oddly specific thing to add simply for plot convenience

[old sedge]

So it means the brake failure and the brake assembly change during a pit stop didn't happen in the real event...

[jagged sentinel]

I'm saying the opposite

[kind osprey]

I'd assume it did happen, because Ford didn't know how to cool down components in that car for their lives.

[jagged sentinel]

It's not like they had decades of experience of extreme endurance racing at the time

At least not on tracks as ferocious as Le Man's de serthe at the time

[kind osprey]

Yea for what they did it was awesome, I'm glad they made a movie to spread awareness to Ken Mile's contribution towards the project.

[old sedge]

Carroll Shelby is a person who won the 24 hour of Le Mans as a driver, as the team owner/leader and as a car designer.

[jagged sentinel]

They were in nascar at the time iirc, but a ford Grand Torino and a GT40 are two completely different beasts

[old sedge]

And although I believe Ken Miles was robbed of his 3rd crown, Ford is not to blame

Considering the lack of modern technology we have right now

[kind osprey]

well it was fords idea to do that dummy photo thing

so technically yea

[jagged sentinel]

It was regulation and doctrine that robbed him of the crown

[old sedge]

And if I'm not mistaken, McLaren and Miles were still teammates in that race

[kind osprey]

Yea Ken Miles crossed it first but since Bruce was right behind him and Bruce started 60 feet back or something he got it instead

more ground covered

[old sedge]

But I thought racing is about who crossed the finish line first?

[kind osprey]

bad regulation

technically it is

but it isn't

because dumb rule

[jagged sentinel]

Weird european doctrines

[old sedge]

If they have same laps and Miles crossed the finish line first, he should be the winner.

[kind osprey]

He didn't lap the ford cars, just every other car

I believe there was only like a two minute difference between him and the others before he slowed to coast and let them line up

i mean all in all, getting those three titles within the year would be an amazing accomplishment, but in the end I think he receive an accomplishment better than any award.

the magic of friendship

[old sedge]

And people should know who the "true winner" is

[jagged sentinel]

Miles was the MVP, even if he didn't win

[old sedge]

But like I said, McLaren was Miles' teammate so at least he didn't lose to an enemy or rival

[jagged sentinel]

Mhmm

[old sedge]

Aside from same car, they're in same race team.

And I'm kinda sad that my most favorite endurance race car(Nissan R92CP) never won the 24 hours of Le Mans. 😂

And about angering Ford, I think Ferrari's insult is justifiable considering the terms of negotiation when Ford tried to buy Ferrari is unfair which favors Ford and puts Ferrari at disadvantage.

[sick wren]

Ok so I have started my koenigsegg agera rs record car mosaic

Holy fuck this is taking a while

[old sedge]

Need For Speed movie made me love the Koenigsegg Agera R

[sick wren]

Oh we talking about the 1966 Le Mans championship and the ford gt40 and ken miles

[jagged sentinel]

I love the Koenigsegg CCX

Best sounding Koenigsegg imo

[sick wren]

Im more into the agera lineup as well as the 1:one

[jagged sentinel]

One:1 is an agera

[sick wren]

Why bot react

[old sedge]

The Ford v Ferrari movie made me realize that the 24 hour race events in Gran Turismo are not just in game and that 24 hour race means 24 hours literally

[jagged sentinel]

@sick wren you leveled up

[sick wren]

I know

[old sedge]

Without giving the car a break

[jagged sentinel]

Goes to show how demanding it is to build a car for that race

[old sedge]

Yes, endurance race cars are designed for that kind of races

[jagged sentinel]

D i r t e

[sick wren]

Dirte vette

[heady swift]

gazoo racing released their new lmdh prototype

basically a slower ts050

I honestly didn't know that they would release their lmdh that soon, considering they were hyping their actual hypercar

[knotty pagoda]

Those are cars and they are transportations which is why they are here

[heady swift]

indeed

[blissful lagoon]

Red fast

[heady swift]

fast against a wall

[kind osprey]

Jesus look at these pathetic excuses for legal back seats.

I mean better than nothing but how do you even sit in these

[proper elbow]

https://tenor.com/view/ant-man-shrinking-shrink-ants-marvel-gif-11626187

Gotta love those insurance premium back seats

[echo tusk]

Isn't that like normal on like almost every 2+2 coupe?

Most of these backseats are just afterthoughts

[wintry owl]

dodge viper is hot 😩

[kind osprey]

Yes but those seats to me don't even look like seats they look like bottoms of seats with a body panel back

it's worse than a 911

[echo tusk]

Might as well make it a 2 seater and have more trunk space

I thought it was a liftback but it's actually not

[kind osprey]

I guess they make them back seats for convenience because if they didn't and you wanted to cram someone in there it would technically be illegal

but having a seat allows for a seat belt and regulation requirements

[barren hawk]

badass? or naw?

turbo headlight

[placid spruce]

Oh it's the intake for it

[barren hawk]

oh

[placid spruce]

If it has ring light AND intake that's badass

I'd do that

[barren hawk]

yeaa

i fuck with it hard

[kind osprey]

It looks a lot better than most illegal headlight covers and remove jobs.

[barren hawk]

yea

[kind osprey]

but I still don't find any practicality in fucking up the car like that.

[barren hawk]

imagine a ring light around it tho

seeing that at night

how badass that would be

[kind osprey]

imagine the tickets, and just in general it's not the safest to remove half of your most important feature at light unless you live in a city of lights

I'm no fun lol

[barren hawk]

i mean ur not wrong

from a regular person standpoint they would hate it

but i would totally put a ring light around it and then just zoom on the highway

[old sedge]

This is the best looking Dodge Viper ever.

[burnt badge]

i prefer this one

[hybrid charm]

Beautiful shitbox

[jagged sentinel]

Corvette

[stuck pasture]

In irl I have a Chevy

It’s not a vette

But a Chevy

[jagged sentinel]

I don't have a car of my own, but I do have an 87 camaro sitting in my garage

[stuck pasture]

Nice

[jagged sentinel]

Actually it's not sitting in the garage, it's in the shop

[stuck pasture]

I have a 69 nova somewhere in America lol

I came back here and before it got here COVID hit so

No nova rn

[stuck pasture]

🤤

[stuck pasture]

Wow

[jagged sentinel]

It's immaculate

[stuck pasture]

You into jeeps?

Or Shelby

[jagged sentinel]

No not really

I'm a chevy guy

[stuck pasture]

Ok

[jagged sentinel]

And I just don't really like jeeps much

[stuck pasture]

I have a jeep and my bf has a Shelby

[open burrow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQXvyV0zIP4

[stuck pasture]

New bm?

[jagged sentinel]

I prefer the 2014 shelby in the factory grey

[stuck pasture]

His is 2013 super snake

[jagged sentinel]

Same body

[stuck pasture]

Ik

[open burrow]

its the most powerful BMW produced

[stuck pasture]

Except different hp

[jagged sentinel]

I know, It's why I said "body"

[stuck pasture]

Ik

[jagged sentinel]

No offense obv, that came out a bit aggressive; my apologies

[stuck pasture]

It’s ok lol

[jagged sentinel]

I don't like BMWs or Mercades Benz cars

I especially hate the G 63

[stuck pasture]

;-;

My bf drives the g63 for his job lol

They are nice to sit in

[jagged sentinel]

All it is to me is a hyper-stylized brick

It's a ton more expensive then a concrete brick, but about as dependable

Or at least the older ones were

[stuck pasture]

xD

[jagged sentinel]

Favorite offroader rn has to be the ram 1500 TRX

[stuck pasture]

Mine is the Hennessy velociraptor

[jagged sentinel]

It's big, it's wide, it's got Beadlockes on 35 inch wheels, 4 seats with ample space, and a hellcat engine

[open burrow]

you dislike BMW and Mercedes? how come?

[jagged sentinel]

And it's a truck, so that means a bed, so that means proper utility

[stuck pasture]

It has a hellcat engine!

[jagged sentinel]

Don't like the way they look

They all look the same to me

[open burrow]

hm interesting

[stuck pasture]

BMWs are slow Mercedes you only need a c63

[open burrow]

first time someone has said that

[jagged sentinel]

Plus I prefer american V8s over european ones anyway

[open burrow]

BMWs are slow? bro what

[jagged sentinel]

BMW knows how to make an engine

[stuck pasture]

Me and will like to hear our cars roar

[jagged sentinel]

One of their engines still holds the record for a naturally aspirated engine

[open burrow]

german engineering in general lets be honest

[jagged sentinel]

It's expensive, but very good

[open burrow]

you pay for what you get

[stuck pasture]

Any day my bfs stock Shelby will gap a bmw

[jagged sentinel]

What if you have to turn tho

I know for a fact that mustang is not great in corners

[open burrow]

i mean even in a straight line thats debatable

[jagged sentinel]

What's his horsepower in that mustang

[stuck pasture]

Ik but it will give up before we turn lol

[stuck pasture]

825 stock his is pushing about 1000

[open burrow]

german cars are known for being extremely fast in a straight line aswell as round a track

[jagged sentinel]

2013 shelby supersnake has 600 horsepower

[stuck pasture]

I thought it was 825 XD

[open burrow]

i was just thinking 825 stock on a mustang seems a bit high

[jagged sentinel]

No mustang has 800 stock

[stuck pasture]

Yea

[open burrow]

you can have 825 hp tho but gl putting it down

[stuck pasture]

2013 Shelby gt500 supersnake

[jagged sentinel]

A BMW M8 competition will have the advantage off the line

[open burrow]

so will an m5

[stuck pasture]

Of the line

[open burrow]

662hp

[stuck pasture]

Off topic real fast

How much hp do you think my jeep could get

[open burrow]

depends

[stuck pasture]

2019 jeep j8 lifted

[jagged sentinel]

What's the engine

That's all that matters

[stuck pasture]

I like cars but I hate engines

I don’t understand them xD

[open burrow]

2.2 or 3l v6 diesel

[jagged sentinel]

Either way, you're not getting a ton of power

[stuck pasture]

Ik

But I need power in her lol

[jagged sentinel]

Horsepower isn't super Important offroading either way

[open burrow]

nvm

its a 4 cyl

[stuck pasture]

Ik I also want to drag race in in as a joke xD

Imagine getting gapped by a big fuck off jeep

[open burrow]

youll want to swap it then

[jagged sentinel]

You'll want to do a lot to it lol

[stuck pasture]

I

Ik

[open burrow]

swap the engine

[stuck pasture]

Imagine a big block v8?

[jagged sentinel]

Wouldn't fit

[stuck pasture]

That why I said imagine

[open burrow]

rn mercedes have the highest power 4cyl on the market at just over 400

so you wont be going super fast anytime soon

what you guys think about dodge demon no longer being the fastest production 1/4 car

[jagged sentinel]

What beat it

[open burrow]

765lt

9.33 sec

[jagged sentinel]

Rimac C2 has a 9.1 second Quarter mile

[open burrow]

its not a production car

its a concept

[jagged sentinel]

False

[open burrow]

150 cars

and they arnt delivered yet

[jagged sentinel]

Still technically a production vehicle

[open burrow]

hmmmm

its not really a "production vehicle" with only 150 being made

[jagged sentinel]

Why was the One:1 considered a production vehicle then

[open burrow]

i mean i dont

i dont think it is

i dont even care rimac can take the crown. im just glad that the dodge demon is stripped of its undeserved title

[jagged sentinel]

Guinness did

[jagged sentinel]

David vs goliath

My favorite high performance car war figuratively speaking is koenigsegg vs Bugatti

[open burrow]

top speed awards are deserved. but the demon did not deserve its 1/4 award

[jagged sentinel]

Bugatti, backed by the entire industrial might of Volkswagen

Vs koenigsegg, a small company from Sweden led by a man who started out selling mopeds

[kind osprey]

150 is definitely enough, i'd say anything over 25 counts

Some of these cars like koenigsegg take thousands of hours just to hand craft one so they are limited because it's impossible to make more and not many other reasons

If they could they would probably make five times the cars but they shell out models with only 25-100 being made each time

[hybrid charm]

It would get expensive if they made alot

Carbon fibre, engine parts etc very expensive

[jagged sentinel]

Not to mention their brakes and rims

[open burrow]

but they would sell more

[hybrid charm]

Yeah

[open burrow]

making them more money

[hybrid charm]

They cant just mass produce them

[open burrow]

yeah

[jagged sentinel]

Koenigsegg has a stupidly high standard for quality

[open burrow]

i mean for the price tag what you expect

[jagged sentinel]

Forcing themselves to make more cars would no doubt make that standard harder to maintain

[open burrow]

if your paying 5mil for a one:1 you would expect the best car possible

rolls royce

they maintain their high quality

[kind osprey]

The cars are like in and out burgers they won't expand even if they probably could a bit

due to quality control

Very few people can run the operation to koenigsegg's standards

[jagged sentinel]

Rolls royce is owned by BMW

Koenigsegg operates independently, so they have to do just about everything themselves

Not to mention they only build their cars in one place

[open burrow]

but are we not talking if koenigsegg had more money. to produce more cars

[gilded kelp]

I dislike kia over most brands and i have no clue why

[kind osprey]

The stinger is awesome, the driving experience is insane for like the $37,000 you can get them for new

[jagged sentinel]

I respect rolls royce, just not for their cars

[kind osprey]

Rolls Royce and Bentley both have stuck to their roots and didn't become a regular consumer car as time progressed

cough Cadillac cough

[old sedge]

Some people here think Subaru is expensive and luxury but I don't think it is.

I think Subaru is just like Toyota or Honda.

[kind osprey]

Subaru isn't expensive or Luxury, they are very affordable and not too bad

The most expensive general production car they make is like $50,000

[old sedge]

Yeah, although Subaru is rare here, they're even cheaper than Toyota.

[jagged sentinel]

Honda is more broad in their products, but the comparison works for the most part

[open burrow]

where? @old sedge

19k for a 2018 WRX STI 0_0

[jagged sentinel]

19K in what unit

[open burrow]

gbp

so 26k usd

[jagged sentinel]

It that base price

[open burrow]

used

30k miles tho not bad

[jagged sentinel]

Ah

[kind osprey]

They can be found for like $36,000 brand new so that isn't too bad of a deal

The sti is the only one with a transmission lol

[jagged sentinel]

Sticker or base

[open burrow]

just found a blob eye for 14k tho 0_0

[kind osprey]

The 5 speed and the originals they use become glass at anything over 380hp

breaking like every month

[kind osprey]

link

what country are you in

I need a new project car

[open burrow]

its in phillipines were this dude is from

[kind osprey]

ah

[open burrow]

im just seeing if subis are fr cheap

[kind osprey]

oof

[open burrow]

im guessing phillipines anyway

[old sedge]

Sti vs Civic Type R, which is better?

[kind osprey]

good 2004's sell for $25,000 might aswell get a new one

[open burrow]

sti

14k gbp

[old sedge]

Type R has more powerful engine but only FWD...

[open burrow]

20k usd

[jagged sentinel]

Civics are reliable cars

[old sedge]

In my country, a BRZ has same price as a WRX. I would choose WRX

[jagged sentinel]

Don't get a brz

[open burrow]

2020 civic type r has 4 less hp than 2020 wrx sti

[old sedge]

I won't because I heard that the BRZ is actually slow for a sports car anyway.

[jagged sentinel]

It is

From what I've heard they're somewhat unreliable as well

[old sedge]

Oh wow, I never knew. Thanks.

[open burrow]

the BRZ is however very fun

my mum had a GT86 and its quite fun

[old sedge]

Which is better? Toyota 86 or Subaru BRZ?

[kind osprey]

same car

[open burrow]

they are the exact same

[kind osprey]

I would get the 86 thought between the two

[old sedge]

I would get the BRZ only because the Subaru emblem looks cool. 😅

But I'm not buying it. I will still buy WRX

What I like about Subaru is they're all AWD(except BRZ), at least here.

[jagged sentinel]

I prefer american brands

But that's because I literally live within visual range of the renaissance center

[old sedge]

Ford Ranger Raptor is a good pickup

Big pickup with a small 2.0 I4 biturbo diesel engine.

[jagged sentinel]

Ford ranger is the smaller ford truck

Same way with the Chevy colorado

[old sedge]

But I wouldn't totally trust those in hard off-road. I would trust vehicles with powerful engines but lighter than those pickup trucks.

Like a Jeep Wrangler or even a Suzuki Jimny

[jagged sentinel]

Raptor is amazing offroad

[old sedge]

Really? I had doubts because it looks quite heavy.

[jagged sentinel]

Weight isn't all that important

Traction, torque, and ground clearance

I mean being light sure as shit is helpful

[old sedge]

It's just that I read from an article from top gear about stories fron off-roaders saying that sometimes, off-road vehicles like Suzuki Jimny beats other bigger off-roaders

[jagged sentinel]

Depends on the terrain

[old sedge]

But I would still want a Ranger Raptor regardless.

[jagged sentinel]

I'd want a ram TRX

[old sedge]

With electric vehicles replacing fossil fueled vehicles, I would miss the sound of race car engines and transmission whines...

[jagged sentinel]

The Suzuki jimmy is weak

Sure it's super lightweight and all but 101 horsepower?

[old sedge]

It is built as an affordable off-roader after all.

[jagged sentinel]

I can see that

[gilded kelp]

Scion FR-S

Jk theyre equal

[old sedge]

What's that?

[jagged sentinel]

A BRZ but not

[gilded kelp]

Scion is branch company of Toyota

Gt86, FR-S, and BRZ are the same exact car all around

Except badge

[jagged sentinel]

I thought the FR-S had a different front bumper

[gilded kelp]

Toyota and Subaru co-designed it and since Toyota is Scion’s parent company they marketed it there too

Nah

[proper elbow]

There are/were some differences between the models iirc.

Subaru was the only one to get alcantra as an interior option etc

[gilded kelp]

Alcantra?

[old sedge]

Ooh

[jagged sentinel]

TRX

[eager sinew]

Is the '23 Camaro the last one?

[old sedge]

This text channel is not limited to ground vehicles, right?

[eager sinew]

Is it a form of transportation?

[old sedge]

Well, watercraft and aircraft are forms of transportation

It's just that almost all posts I see here are about cars

[eager sinew]

I'd assume it's alright since the channel is called "transportation "

[proper elbow]

😩

Someone lend me $1k

[eager sinew]

Do you play hockey? Or just want them?

[proper elbow]

I used to play roller hockey, just getting back in to ice skating.

And since I moved recently, there is an ice skating rink nearby

[eager sinew]

If I were you I'd stick to roller blades considering you wouldn't be limited to just ice.

[old sedge]

May I post a youtube link here or not?

[eager sinew]

Yes

[kind osprey]

This chat was originally named Vehicles, and most people are more commonly interested in car but this chat is for any mode of transport you desire

[kind osprey]

As long as you abide by our advertising rules and ToS you can post any link or post you’d like

[stark ridge]

Right. Where my motorcycle dudes at?

[dense echo]

Love this one

[kind osprey]

Büs

Doot doot

[dense echo]

I am a big fan on bus

[stark ridge]

That's a weird bike.

[dense echo]

Do u guys like buses?

[kind osprey]

I don’t know much about buses when it comes to brands or the same way I know things about cars

But I know their general price/year if I see one

[proper elbow]

cool bus

shame it's not real

[dense echo]

That looks like a rocket league car haha

[hybrid charm]

good old kombi

Grandpa had a yellow one for deliveries

Awful car by the way

[kind osprey]

It really does look like a rocket league car dam

[old sedge]

Thank you and understood, I'll abide by advertising rules and ToS. 🙂

I really love the engine startup sound of this plane, it's really fantastic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x1oZGq-GSu4

[hybrid charm]

I would fuck that car

[hybrid charm]

in the exhaust pipe or something else

[old sedge]

I'm not sure what will be the future of the automobile industry since many manufacturers are probably losing money because of the pandemic and then by 2030s, they will be forced to transition into EVs due to EU and US having plans to ban the use of petrol and diesel powered vehicles in 2030s.

[tight remnant]

i wont get political here but the us banning fossil powers in just unimaginable

[old sedge]

I'm sorry, it's a gray area between politics and transportation but they do have plans on banning fossil fuel powered vehicles.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phase-out_of_fossil_fuel_vehicles

Oh wait, I think not all plan to ban every fossil fueled cars.

[tight remnant]

yeah but if you look at who funds both political parties you will see fossil power producers "giftingt" money in the billions

thats why i highly doubt they will actually ban them

[old sedge]

If they actually do, would it be good though?

[tight remnant]

depends

a good match between electric and fossil

[old sedge]

In some EU cities, diesel powered vehicles are banned I think

[tight remnant]

and also other regrowing sources

yeah most german cities banned diesel in the inner city parts

[old sedge]

But here, we just embraced Euro 4 Compliance only like 2018

So I guess fossil fueled vehicles will stay in my country for quite long time

Not to mention many cities here get flooded during rainy seasons which could destroy EV charging stations.

[hybrid charm]

Yes

[echo locust]

gas tank

[hybrid charm]

just yes

anywhere it can fit

[echo locust]

mmm yes vroom vroom

[hybrid charm]

r33 :)

[jagged sentinel]

Yacht

[blissful lagoon]

Dem fins

[crystal tree]

https://www.roadandtrack.com/news/a35350511/maybach-57-s-coupe-for-sale/?utm_medium=social-media&src=socialflowTW&utm_campaign=socialflowTWRAT&utm_source=twitter

[ocean rock]

Is there a forged wheels that looked like a steelies that an OEM cars use?

[broken zinc]

HA

i caught it

[eager sinew]

Reminds me of the cars from the Fallout Universe.

[hybrid charm]

Casual helicopter crash in the backround

[mossy mesa]

XD

[hybrid charm]

B2B any1

[stuck owl]

@hybrid charm Use the appropriate Looking for Group (LFG) channel to find people to play with:
Apartment: #archive-ps｜apartment-heist-lfg
Casino: #ps4｜casino-lfg
Cayo Perico: #ps4｜cayo-perico-lfg
Doomsday: #archive-ps｜doomsday-lfg
Everything else: #ps4｜other-lfg
Requested by: @barren hawk

[barren hawk]

lfg in transportation

[old sedge]

That's something we don't see everyday. 😂

[barren hawk]

[wind saddle]

?serverstats

!serverstats

[copper dome]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/743609206627893286/797622604286001152/IMG_1626_20210109_192444.jpg

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It was 90k

[kind osprey]

You bought it?

$90,000 is a sweet deal for an mp4 dam

[elder basin]

I think I found a misinformed person selling a gt350R as a GT350

Mustang btw

[old sedge]

It looks like a McLaren

[kind osprey]

It is

[ebon spire]

It is lol @old sedge

[old sedge]

I can't imagine how much will that be here, probably more than twice the cost there.

[kind osprey]

Singapore?

[old sedge]

Ph

[blissful lagoon]

Seem like a normal drift car?

[blissful lagoon]

Boom v10

[heady swift]

[mossy mesa]

good ol german engineering

[blissful lagoon]

Please don't mute me again lmao

Cleaned

I feel accomplished for cleaning this bitch today

[hybrid charm]

Why you flippin off the car

#benicetocars

[blissful lagoon]

Its mine

I can be rude to it all i want

I cleaned it thats a nice gesture

[grand skiff]

got a new car

[blissful lagoon]

Kinda cringe

[hybrid charm]

DAMN BRO ISNT THAT THE NEW LAMBORHINI R8 SUPREME?

[proper elbow]

The 850ci was such a cool looking car

Still looks good all these years later

[mossy mesa]

True

[old sedge]

But you'll hurt its feelings 😦

[blissful lagoon]

Fine ill apologize to the sonoma by cleaning the interior

[old sedge]

😂

[mossy mesa]

XD

[blissful lagoon]

Have yall seen the interior in it it literally needs cleaning

It is covered in different layers of grey and black

[dusky remnant]

Just got a brand new whip for about 20p

[dusky remnant]

This chair cost me about 10p

[boreal oak]

yoooo

[hybrid charm]

Jesus

[kind osprey]

I don’t think people would use a nissan base to make a bugatti kit car

Maybe a ford chassis would work better

For the shape of it

[blissful lagoon]

Its a buggati kit

for a nissan 240sx

[elder basin]

Who would want their car to look like a shitty bugatti is beyond me

sure you're gonna stand out, but really at car shows people are gonna roast your car

I prefer a nice Mustang, preferably gt350, It's a very good drivers car, 530hp is right at that sweet spot so you have power but it doesn't make the car difficult to drive normally.

[kind osprey]

I never liked the stereotypical mustang vibe the only one I do really like is the 2010 shelby ones

blue with the black stripes

If I had money to burn on something that can't turn might as well go with hellcat

[proper elbow]

https://youtu.be/bxBdzOr91Gk

[blissful lagoon]

This meth aint shit

[kind osprey]

This is why I don't do drugs

[blissful lagoon]

Don't be like that miata

Hot rod miata

[old sedge]

I would choose a Miata over Toyota 86 and BRZ because 2 seater means no future in-laws will come with us during a date.

Unless my date would be a foreigner. 😉

[boreal oak]

hot

hotrod EVERYTHING

[blissful lagoon]

[boreal oak]

hellcat swapped PT cruiser

[blissful lagoon]

Hellcat swapped Plymouth prowler exist

[hybrid charm]

No we need hellcat swapped peel p50 😳

The engine would take up the whole cabin

[mossy mesa]

xd

u can sit on the roof

[hybrid charm]

It wouldn't even work unless you extend the body to fit all the parts

Even then the engine would be enough to tear the peel apart

[gilded kelp]

PB lets see that escort

I wanna bask in the glory

Cry.

Suffer.

[drifting tundra]

oh no

[gilded kelp]

Be in agony

[inland beacon]

thats fuego

[gilded kelp]

The wheels are nice

And

Yeah thats about it

[azure mortar]

Got a new ride

[boreal oak]

went out bought new oil

and a new trunklid

Vacuumed the interior

she hasn't croaked since 2019 but we'll see

[inland beacon]

a bit dusty

very nice tyhough

[boreal oak]

pre-brushed pics

You can see that gash in the bumper here

[hybrid charm]

huh they made a Piston engined Pyro

Interesting

Its a joke gee

[dusky remnant]

Just bought a brand new whip for about 20p, honestly can’t wait to take this beast out for a spin

[tulip adder]

Damn

[hybrid charm]

Damn

[heavy plank]

ay no @formal dune

[placid spruce]

@dusky remnant #transportation message

Damn bro yesterday it cost you 10

Today it cost you 20?

If you wanna shitpost, go to #memes-and-shitposting

[mystic cobalt]

Yoow........guys I need help with this

[blissful lagoon]

Looks like a Chrysler fob

Maybe?

[hybrid charm]

Looks like a flat grenade

[blissful lagoon]

That

[blissful lagoon]

[terse axle]

100K miles

[blissful lagoon]

It is ancient, and i want it

[pine nest]

Idk nearly 70 year old bike for 1200 seems like a steal

[blissful lagoon]

1000$ for a bike that won't start with no seat, yea

plus new harelys are way more

But a restore or a rat bike

[hollow coyote]

240z Hoyyaa

[jagged sentinel]

I think this is the 3rd time in 5 months this car has been here

[hybrid charm]

Well it's a corvette

[jagged sentinel]

It's not that

This guy just beats the piss out of his machine

[hybrid charm]

Why

[jagged sentinel]

I'm not sure

[hybrid charm]

You mean like revving the shit out of the engine and pushing the engine to the limit

[jagged sentinel]

No

The engine can withstand that well enough

He just treats everything else poorly

[hybrid charm]

Bruh

[jagged sentinel]

From my understanding, it's his daily

So he gets a little slack

[hybrid charm]

You don't usually beat the crap out of your daily

[jagged sentinel]

I know

I said "a little slack"

[hybrid charm]

Then it will only be your weekly once it gets out the shop

[jagged sentinel]

He still shouldn't beat it up like a truck

Even then, you shouldn't beat a truck up like a truck

[hybrid charm]

Yea

[jagged sentinel]

At least parts are cheap for C4s

Relatively speaking

[hybrid charm]

Id understand beating up like an old mitsubishi spacestar that you can just scrap when it breaks down but a corvette is a different slice of the sandwich

[jagged sentinel]

Mhmm

Assuming you don't treat it like shit, it'll last you a good while

At least, the engine will

[hybrid charm]

Yeah as long as you dont ride it through mud at max rpm and shit

It's a cheap reliable car but if you treat it bad its gonna die

[jagged sentinel]

And if the engine does die, you can just LS swap it

[hybrid charm]

I would just buy a new spacestar engine

[jagged sentinel]

I mean ffs LS engines were primarily put in corvettes

[hybrid charm]

Well its a rather nice engine I wouldnt put in a spacestar

[jagged sentinel]

I'm talking about when the Corvette's engine dies

[hybrid charm]

Oh

Fair

[dusky remnant]

Tf u mean I’m not shit posting anything mate

Calm down it was literally a joke can’t believe ur the only taking serious

[hybrid charm]

It was 12 hours ago let it go kebab man

Your kebabs are gonna burn

[jagged sentinel]

Looked up mitsubishi space star

[dusky remnant]

Look mate if u wanna buy some I charge £12.99 for a small box

[jagged sentinel]

Humble little thing

[hybrid charm]

Yeah my grandpa has one

It's kinda fallin apart though

Older model

[jagged sentinel]

Every single person in my family owns an american car

[placid spruce]

Literally a joke -> shitposting

[hybrid charm]

Ill take one

With some extra mayo

[dusky remnant]

A small pot of mayo is £7.99

[jagged sentinel]

Very nice C3

[hybrid charm]

Ill take one of those then

[dusky remnant]

What if I wasn’t joking then

[hybrid charm]

So a small box and a mayo pot

[dusky remnant]

the total is £19.98 just for a small kebab box and small mayo pot. Paying by cash or card mate

[hybrid charm]

Card

[old sedge]

Which do you guys think is better? Subaru WRX STi or Honda Civic Type R?

[jagged sentinel]

Civic

Because they don't blow a head gasket every 400 miles

[hybrid charm]

[jagged sentinel]

In a seriousness, civics are quite reliable

[dusky remnant]

Just pulled up to my mates house in my brand new whip can’t wait to take it for a spin

Who actually warned me for this?

[old sedge]

If only the Civic Type R is RWD or AWD, I would like it even more but I would still choose Civic Type R.

Wait, Subaru has reliability issues?

[jagged sentinel]

The Impreza WRX has/had a tendancy to blow head gaskets

Otherwise, Subarus are reliable

[old sedge]

Oh... Sad...

Their AWD drivetrain makes them nice though.

[jagged sentinel]

You won't need AWD often unless your roads a shit like here in Michigan

[slate fern]

looks like Godzilla nutted ALL over it then let 3 5 years live in it.

[old sedge]

In terms of handling, I would prefer AWD over FWD

Especially when drifting.

Can FWD cars even drift? 🤔

[jagged sentinel]

No

[old sedge]

That's one reason why I'm hesitant to buy a Type R.

[jagged sentinel]

AWD cars can't drift as well as RWD cars

[dusky remnant]

yh thats the stuff mate

[azure mortar]

They can if the hand e brake works lol

[kind osprey]

drift in reverse, problem solved

[azure mortar]

Live in MN, used to live in MI. Can confrim

[old sedge]

To be honest, I find the e parking brake stupid.

[azure mortar]

For drifting? I mean to properly drift u need it whether fwd or red, otherwise what ur really doing is power sliding.

[old sedge]

I prefer the manual parking brake leverl

[azure mortar]

That's what I was referring to.

This is my soon to be drifter

[old sedge]

Wow

A BMW

And about race cars. Money can buy you a high end hypercar but it can't buy you skills. 😉

[jagged sentinel]

Thank you, very cool

[hybrid charm]

News at 10

Still gonna buy that Testarossa, only 110k left

[old sedge]

I want a Countach

For nostalgic purposes.

[jagged sentinel]

They suck to drive

[mossy mesa]

no

its their character

all old italian cars

no AC

close pedals

[jagged sentinel]

Uncomfortable seats

Pisspoor visibility

[mossy mesa]

yeah

but

[jagged sentinel]

Dickall rear visibility, if any

[mossy mesa]

sound n look like nothing else

[jagged sentinel]

Point still stands

As garage decor, they're magnificent

[mossy mesa]

ok

have it ur way

[old sedge]

Well, Lamborghini Countach and Ferrari Testarossa may have uncomfortable seats and that but those are old cars.

[hybrid charm]

I digress on the Testarossa, sat in one, while not for a long period, it is definitely more comfortable than many luxury cars here

at least the passenger seat lol

But yeah, you are right, not buying them for comfort or anything, I will buy one simply because it is gorgeous and sounds good. I wasn't born in the 80's nor the 90's but this car was a part of my life since it was the main car I used in Cruise'n USA

[old sedge]

Oh, that's still good to know. I always wanted to have at least one of these old Italian supercars.
Lamborghini Countach
Ferrari F40
Ferrari Testarossa

And yes, we buy supercars and hypercars mainly for performance and looks, not really for comfort.

But for me, it's more on performance.

[hybrid charm]

Yep, for me performance comes first as well, but not many 80's Ferrari's were performance oriented . If I were to get a performance oriented supercar today, it would be either a GT2RS or a Lotus 2-Eleven

[old sedge]

As of now, I want a Koenigsegg Agera R and Lamborghini Centenario

And my desire to have performance cars is the reason why I would pick the Toyota Supra over the BMW Z4 because Toyota Supra is said to have better performance in tracks since it's not convertible.

[jagged sentinel]

Idk

If a car was built for the track, it is shit to drive on the road

[proper elbow]

I love solid motor mounts and stiff suspension

[jagged sentinel]

If I were to pick two dream cars of mine it'd be a koenigsegg regera and a either a dodge demon, 2017 camaro ZL1, or 2020 Ford/Shelby GT500

[old sedge]

Wow, Shelby GT500.

And I'm still wondering if the Nissan GTR can really beat Lambo supercars or it's just overrated by GTR lovers. 🤔

[proper elbow]

Just give me a mint, original 1987 Monte Carlo SS and I'll be happy.

[ocean rock]

If ya ask this on its release, yes.

now?

l m a o n o

[old sedge]

On its release? What do you mean? Like the first models of Nissan GTR?

[ocean rock]

like, the day when its released.

[old sedge]

Oh.

But newly produced GTRs can't beat Lambo supercars huh?

[jaunty trellis]

hi

[empty niche]

[jagged sentinel]

Which lambo we talking

[ocean rock]

Audi? @empty niche

[old sedge]

Like Gallardo, Murcielago

[hybrid charm]

not by a long margin

Huracan and even the Modern version of the Aventador will leave them on the dust

[jagged sentinel]

It's commonly compared to the huracán, against which the GTR can hold it's own

[ocean rock]

GTR is mad fucked now.

[jagged sentinel]

But an aventador? Not a chance

[ocean rock]

Refreshes barely do anything beyond basically GT3 homologation

[old sedge]

How about against Veneno and Centenario?

[hybrid charm]

not even the Nismo can hold itself on the track

The fucking Dodge Viper ACR is faster

[jagged sentinel]

Both are based on the aventador

The veneno is a meme

[hybrid charm]

The Viper has no electronic aids and hass manual on the top of that

[jagged sentinel]

If it can barely hold it's own against a base Huracán, then it stands no chance against the aventador, let alone veneno or cendenario

[ocean rock]

Its like RC-F, its just too fucking heavy.

[old sedge]

Wait, how come I've seen videos of Nissan GTR defeating Dodge Viper ACR in drag race? Like this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XjAXkdcc3Q

[hybrid charm]

drag race doesn't mean shit

[ocean rock]

Alumunium body is no longer viable for em, they need a switch to carbon platform already. But that means 200k price tag.

[hybrid charm]

the car was obviously made for the track

[ocean rock]

And to that, imma introduce you to 2 words.

Launch Control.

[old sedge]

Oh, so that's why.

[hybrid charm]

and is that viper stock ?

[ocean rock]

i mean literally said on the thumbnail

[old sedge]

They didn't say if both are stock or not.

[hybrid charm]

well 'bolt on' doesn't exactly mean stock

[ocean rock]

I mean

This is the top search

[old sedge]

Oh wait, I noticed that it was said in that video that both have "unknown mods".

[blissful lagoon]

Yellow

[ocean rock]

...And you basically blow the can of worms youre trying to open.

[ocean rock]

Yellow indeed 😳

[blissful lagoon]

Yellow viper hot

[old sedge]

And this is my favorite old endurance race car.

[hybrid charm]

Nice Nissan, this is my favorite one

[blissful lagoon]

Porsche?

[ocean rock]

yes

[hybrid charm]

917 LH

[ocean rock]

im not sure which version of 917 is this

[hybrid charm]

the LH (Langheck)

[heady swift]

The Murcielago and Gallardo would be beaten on most tracks by the gtr

[ocean rock]

Youre pitching an 04 design against 09.

[heady swift]

the LP 640 and 670 SV achieved a lap times which are higher than most GTR's

the 640 has the over-all best lap time of 7:40 and the '11 and '12 GTR's achieved 7:24 (wet conditions) and 7:19

but the aventador SV and SVJ have significantly faster times of <7 minutes

[blissful lagoon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNOIG4y8k5E

give me the ||totally not a viper||

[hybrid charm]

My guy the Murcielago is as old as I am

20 years

against a new design

[placid spruce]

Are we racing them

Because the murcielago is one of the bet looking cars to me

[blissful lagoon]

What are we racing?

[heady swift]

I'm not the one who started the comparison, I wouldn't compare a gtr with any Lamborghini normally speaking

[hybrid charm]

Ayy Oreca Viper

One of the most gorgeous GT car

[elder basin]

You can't go wrong with a viper

and even if some JDM car can beat it, so what? it's got a manual trans and tries to kill you

[old sedge]

The Dodge Viper GTS-R Concept is still the Viper with the most gorgeous design.

If only they make a race car version of this

[blissful lagoon]

They did

its called the competition coupe

Its basically that but actually put into racing production

[old sedge]

Oh wow, nice

[blissful lagoon]

and not street legal

like at all

probably could convert but

Just buy a viper same year cheaper

[old sedge]

Viper same year? When was the last Viper produced?

All I know is it got discontinued.

[blissful lagoon]

2017

[old sedge]

Oh

[blissful lagoon]

also they did have a prototype of that viper sold a couple years ago

120,000k for this

[old sedge]

USD or Eur?

[blissful lagoon]

Usd

[old sedge]

Oh

[blissful lagoon]

God damn thats a nice looking car tho

[old sedge]

Oh, that's quite affordable compared to a Nissan GTR in my country

[blissful lagoon]

I have never liked the gtr

Not my kinda taste

[old sedge]

A Nissan GTR here costs $185,310.50

[blissful lagoon]

Thats

wow

alot

[old sedge]

Yeah, cars here are expensive as hell

How much is a Nissan GTR there?

[blissful lagoon]

You can find alot for 50-90k

sometimes 40

[old sedge]

50-90k are brand new?

[blissful lagoon]

Gently used but yea

Still a deal

than paying original price instead of buying a lambo

[old sedge]

How much is the brand new price?

I'm curious

Well, I'm sure the brand new price shouldn't be far from gently used.

And it shouldn't reach 185k. 😂

[blissful lagoon]

I hope thats fake

[old sedge]

If not, then the $210,740 top end is for track?

Still better because in our country, $185k is the cheapest.

[mossy mesa]

👀

did someone said Viper?

[rugged nymph]

lmao

cute

[old sedge]

It's just sad that Dodge and Chrysler decided to discontinue the Viper

[hybrid charm]

[blissful lagoon]

I, really, need,one

[dull siren]

i actually want a camero, late 60's models

but import fees and taxes

[blissful lagoon]

Late 60s maros are

Like

they look nice

Even from a mopar fan standpoint