3 O'Clock / HATE (OLD)

[somber crescent]

yeah Josh seemed surprised we hadnt finished this one yet

[sly pelican]

oh it happens to all the statues? I just tried it with greed statue, same change happened

[magic kernel]

Still no luck?

[brave coral]

We all blind mate

[limber plank]

Every single other console has had a clue right next to it and I mean, literally on top of it. The closest thing really in this room is

a) The cloud floor tile
b) giant spell book

[bitter badger]

also kibble

[olive bough]

Well I'm a DH so... touché

[golden shell]

c) picnic basket

[mystic sun]

2 journal entries right next to it as well

[rose relic]

Can you share the link?

[wooden saddle]

or anything on the table, if we judge by rubinstein case as well

[bitter badger]

kibble in room 430 on table with book

[finite zealot]

where was this?

[hollow wind]

I punched him

[craggy glade]

whats the ID code for the book, has anyone found that (And yes, i've CHECKED pins, people)

[turbid depot]

well we've tried a ton of stuff with the tiles

[fallow hawk]

Are we sure that last piece is in 430 room?

[whole berry]

Is there a map of all the pebbles, is it possible they're placed in a constellation or something else?

[turbid depot]

it's gotta be smthn with the book right

[honest radish]

If we keep "running" past the answer, what if it's the stupid pebbles?

[marsh trail]

You can stand on the platform

[olive bough]

its the only console left we can interact with , with a " chest " nearby

[honest radish]

Or the cats? Curiousity killed the cat is a saying - and there's the burning w curiousity or whatever debuff

[polar owl]

It’s not jenfur’s ID to traumatise us is it?

[pine moth]

we may consider how to enable this part instead of being blocked in current puzzles no ?

[spring otter]

How did you get there and is this today?

[brave coral]

@rose relic I am not sure where is it from, my friend sent me the picture like that, he is afk so I can't get the link

[worn blaze]

probably old, but I don't remember at all that piece of paper on the ground
maybe I'm becoming mad but I have 0 memory of this being a thing yesterday

or maybe it was there but didn't notice it wtf

[minor latch]

just for fun, nose is literally under eyes xD can somebody try 1415195 as nose in text to numbers code ?

[sour jackal]

I don't think this platform is relevant until we get the item we buy with the pieces of hate and muffin, since it teleports you to crystals and there are two targetable humming crystals

[bitter ivy]

no the trash on the ground seems to change

[glacial notch]

it was there but slighty clipped through floor, they did some bugfixing as Josh did mention some z-clipping issues

[wooden saddle]

I think paper piles are different each reset

[bitter ivy]

I used to have 2 piles of trash as I entered 430 but it's now at the back

[limber plank]

If we take things literally, the most relevant clue is probably "hidden from plain sight" which to me references the hidden bits of paper around the dungeon, especially as we don't seem to be able to see any in rooms that are locked at the moment.

[worn blaze]

look like some hieroglyphs

[marble prism]

console in cycle room too but certaintly a bug^^

[marsh trail]

Yeah, just now. With goblin glider

[olive bough]

the console dont have any other chest we can interact with

[brave forge]

agree xD

[drifting sleet]

my memory might be a goldfish but was this here yesterday? I have no recollection of it at all.

[olive bough]

it was, this one talks about a red herring

[limber plank]

So occams razor would suggest the solution is related to the notes we've found around the dungeon and solving the cipher there

[spring otter]

We don’t know for certain it teleports you. I believe the item is a crystal connection device or something like that. Could have to do with the crystal above the door only.

[drifting sleet]

gotcha

[turbid depot]

the book next to the console kinda reminds me of wotlk

[marble prism]

remember the slot machine, maybe the same system, and the Tile room chest is for another O'clock?

[spring otter]

Can you click the console?

[bitter badger]

there are 5 sets of kibble scattered around Ratts Revenge. maybe those can lead to an answer as well (Check my post history for pictures)

[sour jackal]

it says "Teleport to the target crystal. Only works on crystals attuned with this relic.", and both the Azj-kahet crystal and dungeon crystal have the same name and are targetable

[marble prism]

But that could be strange a same console ned two different code

[robust latch]

where we can find the watcher statue from room 430 ?

[sour jackal]

since there are brute force protections, it's likely the azj-kahet platform won't let us interact until we properly teleport up to it

so I don't think it's for Hate

[spring otter]

Ok. I didn’t see the teleport part. Agreed it’s later.

[marsh trail]

No, but you can click the crystal. If you cancel the goggles, you can still click the crystal

[marble prism]

Someone try the Statue near the roomwith the Humming crystal, and go to Azj kahet see if its unlock?

[dapper summit]

how many Pieces of Hate does ppl have? i'm 7/9

[radiant isle]

8

[woven wasp]

I've been typing the lovingly hand crafted note in a bunch into ChatGPT and asking what it can be an anagram for and it specifically pulled out "Moonkin" over and over, this is of interest to me because of the nature statue coming from the room right there

[bitter bane]

8

[left ember]

8/9

[craggy glade]

I think Ratts is Josh's personal NPC, made purely to drive us all insane. Hey, what else drives us insane, OLD GODS, lets put in the numbers for the Old Gods! All that Void SHit in the Pools! /s

[dapper summit]

i can't find the 8 one

hmmm

[cursive widget]

430 still being a poo poo room I take it

[dapper summit]

any news about that one?

[mental raft]

asking AI is not helpful

[spring otter]

https://discord.com/channels/223122687227199489/1308975696231530608

[cursive widget]

Whats this about brute force protection

[cloud latch]

any chance the big spellbook is a reference to something in out spellbook? clutching at straws here lol

[left ember]

https://discord.com/channels/223122687227199489/1308975696231530608

[limber plank]

Can we maybe all try focus on the numbers from the notes around the catacombs for a bit rather than the myriad of other solutions? See if there's something there?

From the pin

[main sage]

people can focus on whatever they want to focus on

[dapper summit]

but my lucky machine is gone i have that one

then i must miss one earlier

[cloud latch]

it's probably related to the ones we can only see with goggles, if at all

[covert breach]

maybe we need to enter the code 5 times

[spring otter]

If the one is next to the door still, it’s 115

[lament cedar]

Maybe obvious, but small tip for anyone trying numbers in Room 430; tuck yourself in behind the big book to avoid getting blasted back onto the tiles

[cloud latch]

you can also sit next to the desk on the other side

[dapper summit]

i have all the code hate aswell

[stable ore]

so all the other pieces of hate are self contained within the catacombs what if the trick to this one is it requires outside influence

[cloud latch]

I believe there were a few outside things (springshells on a log etc.) so can't be sure

[dapper summit]

nvm i'm fucking supid xD forgot to loot the first code cache xD

[sour jackal]

the tile blasts you in the opposite direction you're facing, so you can safely just stand in front of it with your back to the wall or anything except the tiles and be safe

[brave coral]

I am going over unicode trying to see if there is anything useful

[whole berry]

How many coordinators are there and do we have their coordinateS?

[ocean topaz]

has the mechanar been ruled out yet?

[stable ore]

yea that note mentions an npc in jade forest, turtles in ohnaran plains,and others

[radiant isle]

afaik we only know of two. Alyx and (formerly) Ratts

[craggy glade]

Starting to see why Ratts was FIRED

[undone jetty]

when gods of mantids entered the viel, when did AQ go live ingame or when was it added to the game?

[craggy glade]

thats foir the key of shadows thing, its done

[silver patio]

Any updates the last 20 min.? If not I have to do 437000 to 437999 now

[frank ledge]

This one is for 2 o'clock

[cloud latch]

that was the solve to Pray, so I doubt its for this too

[indigo olive]

yeah, screw him. This is indeed no fun

[undone jetty]

ok my bad.

[whole berry]

Anyone at the anniversery event can tell me the coordinates of Alyx?

[craggy glade]

her, and i would, if i wasn't so PISSED OFF AT HER

[pale granite]

Is it possible the pattern on the floor is the cypher key and it changes every reset?

[silver patio]

Everything is possible if you believe

[golden shell]

As they said you can solve this riddle any time, I don't think it is bound in any way to some time bound event character

[humble haven]

Maybe the password given is coded for different numbers

[whole berry]

Maybe the coordinates of the event itself, since it's always at the same place?

[prime sand]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloudbook

[somber crescent]

Where was the salesman in booty bay to sell the hates?

[silver patio]

In the statue

[drifting loom]

any tried some passwords with the red button countdown going with a certain number of clicks?

[marsh trail]

Might be old, but you only see the platform if you put on the goggles while in the hole, if you are wearing them as you fall down, the platform is not present

[cloud latch]

probably fairly likely the numbers relate to caesar cypher in some way, due to them changing for different languages. I doubt it'd be as obvious as plonking any combo of them in

[jovial walrus]

inside the goblin statue island

[golden shell]

She will be gone after event so anyone attempting it in February for instance won't be able to do it as she won't be there anymore

[cursive widget]

Isnt it the same statue that looks like the goblin statue IN the instance

[jovial walrus]

yes

[pure belfry]

Alyx ID : 232410
Alyx coord : 63.02, 50.24

[vestal widget]

The clue says hidden from plain sight. Anyone try spectral sight and see if anything is different?

[indigo frigate]

We're still stuck on the "Nice try" machine right?

[vocal glade]

What if it's Ratts' original coordinates at story time lol

[brave coral]

Im not sure if they would put caesar for multiple machines

[ocean topaz]

I think we need to either recruit Tom Hanks (Davinci Code) or Nicholas Cage (National Treasure) to finish this

[whole berry]

Nope 😦

[silver patio]

The clue won't be exclusive to demon hunters

[polar marlin]

detect invis potions exist

[wooden saddle]

All machines are "Nice try", this one we call it the 430 room machine

[vestal widget]

But DH can find something and help the rest of us

[cloud latch]

perhaps yeah, at the very least is alphanumeric in some way

[somber crescent]

Thanks, didnt see him! Didn't expect him to be a skelly lol

[whole berry]

Drinking the invis potion, makes you blind, could it be there is something you can spot only during the darkness?

[opal gorge]

This is my latest working theory, but haven't found it yet.

[cursive widget]

Its something we keep "walking right by"

[drifting sleet]

truesight?

[vestal widget]

What if the answer is 20 but has to be input while using invis potion 🤔

[silver patio]

Oh no are they removing 3 o'clock chat? its my fav

[tame condor]

88381 ? anyone near to try

[olive bough]

thing is, the potion is not always there...

[floral veldt]

What really confuses me is that we are so focused on the decypher machine 430 room, when the only chest that follows the same Hate style is the one back in Ratts original room near another humming crystal

[indigo frigate]

When did he say this btw?

[worn blaze]

uh?

[stable ore]

dont know if its a bug but if you wear the goggles and drink the potion you can still see

[silver patio]

Check main Felcycle thread

[whole berry]

Didn't work

[fair torrent]

These are the letters corresponding to each number of the papers that must be seen with goggles ( / means different combinations) - ENG Client.

7 - G
7 - G
26 0 - Z 0 / BF 0
5 1 3 - E A C / EM
5 1 3 - E A C / EM
7 4 6 - G D F
7 8 6 - G H F
1 2 1 2 - A B A B / L L / L A B / A B L
1 5 2 5 - A E B E / O Y / O B E / A E Y
1 5 2 5 - A E B E / O Y / O B E / A E Y
1 7 7 8 - A G G H / Q G H

Im just checking if there is any word that can be created.

[olive bough]

and to teleport to that crystal we need 9 pieces of Hate which then cant be on that platform

[sour jackal]

your available potions in our currently-accessible areas are different each time, random between weakness, emotions, and invisibility (potion of truth in the cat room never changes, probably for a future thing)

[somber crescent]

Im sure someone checked with all the pointless vendors and people named pointless?

[whole berry]

I'm gonna make a scarf outta that fox

[vestal widget]

Do the tiles look any different during potion?

[inner owl]

if you reset the instance does it reset all your progress or just status and potions on the floor etc?

[brave coral]

if it's anything to do with cryptography then it's more likely to be the enigma since the machine exists on the second floor but we went over this a few times

[stable ore]

nope

[floral veldt]

Right. But the merchant also says we have not real pieces ... but maybe he stops caring once we have the muffin because he just wants a muffin.

[olive bough]

that's not this merchant that sell the teleporting device

[left dagger]

With zeroth being there, should 0 = A?

[floral veldt]

the merchant for the crystal item isnt the same one who says the pieces are fake? ic my confusion

[fair torrent]

let me re-do then

[vocal glade]

Do the colors of the runes that pop up when you type in numbers have to do with anything

[olive bough]

it says they are worthless '( or something like that ) which is a clue to a merchant called " Worthless merchant " or a stuff like that

[surreal vapor]

I had to go to work today...however, it looks like i missed nothing 😦

[indigo olive]

can someone share the map of note locations again

[cloud latch]

on the bright side, you might save yourself a headache

[brittle epoch]

Been jumping tiles, nothing there... So far

[surreal vapor]

You should really take your armour off :p

[humble nymph]

Good afternoon, I see we're all still going crazy 🫂

[storm drum]

so i went to sleep came back to more then 500 + message ..were are we ..i left after we find out the 7777 and lucky item stuff

[cloud latch]

stuck in 430 still

[radiant verge]

its pointless i believe not worthless

[stable ore]

i've learned more about numbers in this secret than i ever did in economics class

[sleek bloom]

These change each time you fail

[stuck forge]

what about this note that is outside the enterance to the catacombs? that i cant read? hmmm? we have ran past it several times.,...

[pale granite]

Pointless is a reference to a youtuber called wowcrendor. He has an NPC but nothing of note showed up yet, even the goblin statue features prominently in his videos.

[swift vigil]

Still no code to number 8?

[robust stratus]

Has anyone checked the other Outland instances for clues? We have the mechanar note in the room adjacent to this one so maybe there’s something in the botannica or tempest keep?

[glacial gazelle]

we're at 8 actually, no code for 9 you mean

[zinc pivot]

anyone else going insane

[brave coral]

He said that 13 hours ago, are we degen enough to go back and see what people were suggesting then?

[somber crescent]

Did you try the npc, cause he is a vendor?

[haughty tulip]

k, the note talks about being clever... josh said some paets of hivemind he found clever. he also said one of his fav parts of hivemind is the cat puzzle. which u input the code of the dmg u took. then he says we have run past the answer many times.

when u run past the fire beam u get the debuff. and when u have the debuff, u cant actually input the code, it turns off each tick of dmg, almost like u have to wait til its done.

so is the answer the sum total of all the ticks of dmg from the fire beam? so brute force protection, throw back to hivemind, throw back to cleverness...

[kind cloak]

The zeroth bit could mean we need to prefix with 0, the out of order note could mean the order of the password is off?

[swift vigil]

no number 9 according to the pin is the felcycle room and i got it yesterday by getting lucky charms and doing the 77777

number 8 is in the room with the big red button above its head and the tiles on the floor

[cloud latch]

from memory it was 418 code, zeroth and "heroes/20 years" stuff

[quasi aurora]

80 = 08

?

[vocal glade]

then don't fail ez

[glacial gazelle]

"hear" machine answer is 135, thats the 8, we're at the 430 door

[sleek tangle]

80085?

[zinc pivot]

115

[pale granite]

I mean wowcrendor literally has an NPC named after him in dragonflight.

[brave coral]

Tick is the % of hp, so if it's that then the code is personal, which is sus

[rose relic]

Regarding to this old post from Lucid Nightmare puzzle(https://www.wowhead.com/pt/news/decrypting-the-lucid-nightmare-274804), they show us that they like to use the Caesar cipher there to make puzzles.
But now, they give us a hint on "Zeroth" or "0th" that should replace the "A" for "0"

If I use Caesar cipher to decrypt the Lovingly Handcrafted Clue I got something close to this:
SGHO EIUII ABD MOO NK GHNM, EDNY, DL LLSE > HELLO EVERYONE HOW ARE YOU DOING, FINE, VERY WELL

If I follow the same logic, but for the letters in the end of the riddle from "Cryptic Plaque" door:
JYPFFQVY > HELLO WORLD

I know that makes no sense... but at least I tried 😅

[somber crescent]

I know, did you check the NPC?

[novel vine]

Pointless is reference for our Pirate tradesman where we can trade 9 coons of hate and 1 gold muffin

[swift vigil]

This?

[cloud latch]

have you tried this with the murloc/nerglish/nerubian one?

[zinc pivot]

this one is a shifted cipher where A = 0 based on that zeroth letter book, but I am too dumb/lazy to try ciphers

[olive bough]

what if it revolves around the dents here on the pattern ?

[rose relic]

Nope

[somber crescent]

I know, Im asking if someone checked the Crend the Pointless vendor for the golden muffin- since everything is called pointless

[limber plank]

Did you use AI to do this?

[gaunt sentinel]

How exactly does JYPFFQVY become HELLO WORLD with Caesars?

[drifting sleet]

he has nothing to sell. already went to him 2 days ago

[zinc pivot]

let us just wait for china to solve it for us

[pale granite]

The fact that resulted in legible text can't be a coincidence

[limber plank]

I don't think it did

[kind wadi]

100%, you can tell because the answer they claim it decrypts to does not match actually decrypting it with the method they said to use 😛

[hazy moon]

Ive seen like 4 cipher posts from this guy that are clearly not even remotely possible or same amount of letters so im assuming yeah

[limber plank]

Yeah it's crap

[pale granite]

Getting hello world didn't make sense?

[limber plank]

There's not even the same number of letters

[sly pelican]

[wooden saddle]

Again, HOW/WHICH KEY did you use to get this phrase ? This shouldn't be possible as we kinda know this is Mankrik clue

[scenic turret]

we still on 9th hate? kek

[limber plank]

People need to get warnings for spamming this kind of garbage in

[vocal glade]

https://rumkin.com/tools/cipher/bifid/ perhaps?

[serene jasper]

Are we still at 8?

[pale granite]

Ah

[hazy moon]

It made sense because chat gpt just ignores everything you input and then says an unrelated answer

[unborn tiger]

maybe we'll get this one faster too if we try to solve the chinese first 🙃

[serene jasper]

Alright going back to bed

Good luck y'all

[glacial garnet]

Can someone Try to sum the damage from the cloud tile near the console and damage from the fire tile near the broken console?

[sour jackal]

I just realized that the giant book to the right of room 430's machine is identical to a few of the ones in Atramedes' room in Blackwing Descent. Ugh, but I didn't find anything there that stuck out or felt noteworthy.

[wooden saddle]

Ceasar cipher shouldn't change a word length - 4 letter should still be 4 letters.

[vague flare]

anyone else have this when they enter?

[stuck forge]

when your are ticking dmg you cant use the console.

[serene jasper]

It's been done

[tame condor]

wasn't this like murloc-type language yesterday? am I crazy / did I miss something. In the Nature room next to the door

[unborn tiger]

ugh maybe this means that the hidden 0th letter is trying to tell us NOT to do A=0 ???

[storm drum]

lightning strike give me average of 18 357 damage

[sour jackal]

changes with instance reset

[stuck forge]

but i tried the getting the invunlb buff then going and that didnt work

[hazy moon]

Maybe Josh is getting meta on us and its just 3301 for cicada

[storm drum]

gear unequip

[olive bough]

it nerubian, you can read it with the nerubian understanding pot, talks about a red herring

[tame condor]

Thanks

[vapid grove]

So I've found this; https://www.wowhead.com/item=30657/the-cipher-of-damnation which is related to one of the staves that sit in room 430. I'm trying to go through all the objects in the room and see if there's a theme or something and since we're looking for ciphers idk Tried imputting thew quest ID etc but nothing yet

[vague flare]

the circle is filling up, like a timer.

[prisma gyro]

not sure if anyone posted this yet, and not sure if its a graphical bug or intended but in the 430 room there are a couple papers that clip out depending on how you turn your camera

[rose relic]

Guys, I'm just trying to help... You can just ignore me if you found anything more valuable than I did... 😄

[quasi dune]

Yeah, it appears in various languages, but they're all the same red herring text.

[broken nexus]

Have we made any progress?

[olive bough]

its an asset that can be at another place or not there at all if you reset the dungeon

[stable ore]

already tried all the ids for the items in that room besides the tier gear

[wooden saddle]

We're just asking how you got such phrase because this shouldn't be possible. If it is, then we've a whole new lead, otherwise we don't.

[hazy moon]

But you keep posting blatantly impossible solutions you got from AI, which is against channel rules anyway

[vapid grove]

Yeah I get that, just trying to spot a theme and noted there was an actual cipher when we're looking for a cipher

[limber plank]

Best way you can help is by absolutely not using ChatGPT or AI to try and find solutions, especially for things like siphers etc

[brave coral]

Did anyone play around with octal/hex/dec conversions?

[stable ore]

yes

[zinc pivot]

my reaction

[pale granite]

Ah my bad, I assumed the method was correct. Didn't expect someone to just go on the internet and tell lies 😛

[open nest]

did anyone try 66664444448888888

[brave coral]

Bruh

[open nest]

it's 466478 but 4 sixes, 6 fours, and 7 eights

[golden shell]

Quick, whoever he is I think his birthday my be the clue! 😅

[limber plank]

Has anyone tried 55378008

[dawn pelican]

Can't wait for us to do all of this to find out its one 2, three 4's, five 6's

[wicked wasp]

Clearly the next step is Gallywix Palace

[cloud latch]

has anyone got a link to the felcycle wiki page with all the clues?

[brave coral]

Pretty sure all the obvious numbers are tested at this point

[craggy glade]

have you tried it?

[minor latch]

ok cloud and book are beside decryption console, can this be reference to cloud atlas book in some way ?

[median flume]

Maybe it's 42... the meaning of LLIIIIIIIFE

[sour jackal]

man imagine if we get this last piece and then the muffin takes another two days

[wicked wasp]

We tried, it's not.

[cloud latch]

unironically has been tried XD

[robust stratus]

I’m going to investigate the dungeons. netherstorm when I’m off work - I’m curious as if to whether or not there’s more clues hidden there since the note was hidden in the Mechanar (unless someone else has already done this)

[stuck forge]

i tried that haaaa

[cursive widget]

Theres a lot of pandaria references

[robust stratus]

^ tempest keep area also fits with the plaque riddle

[dawn pelican]

In raid currently but, will do it when I get out

[stable ore]

tbc too

[rare herald]

the 9 year old in me wants to try "8008135", but thats undoubtedly already been tried

[stuck forge]

what if its like 43110 or 80085 ? 🤣

[radiant isle]

Can confirm, tried.

[quasi aurora]

this makes me think it has to do with what we already know... i think our strongest line of thinking is that its a code to solve. So basically, as long as we have the code unsolved but we know its a code to solve... hes not gonna do anything different

[crisp kernel]

Wasn't the model here used as a Twilight's Hammer questline? Either in Hyjal or Deepholm?

[golden shell]

I was thinking if 430 might be just a reference to 4.3.0 path ergo Dragon Soul raid, so I'm checking if there is anything sus there

[wicked wasp]

Has anyone been able to see what is behind the door with the blue bell and the plaque?

[cursive widget]

Specially since the big electric pole in the other room shares the same cloud pattern as the floor peice next to the enigma machine

[median flume]

Scrollkeeper's Sanctum ID is 430 someone mentioned. Poked around in there instanced and not instanced and found nothing. Read the books too

[quasi aurora]

since we can "see thats its a cypher or code" just cant figure out how

[unborn venture]

hey did anyone try this with the tiles? https://www.dcode.fr/playfair-cipher ? I searched and haven't seen anything about tiles. Seems like it kinda matches

[radiant isle]

Josh also mentions that there are both internal and external parts to the last machine

[cursive widget]

If you look into the orb that is

[lavish frost]

hidden zeroth letter makes me feel like it's a shift/caesar cipher and we just need to figure out what letter it starts at

[vale glade]

I really think they didnt put that much effort in a puzzle. Probably something far easier

[vestal widget]

Anyone try 8675309? 😆

[sour jackal]

the standing giant tome next to the machine seems dwarven in nature (based on the fact there are tons of them in Atramedes' room in BWD and you fight dwarven spirits in there before the boss), wonder if there's something in BWD I missed

[lavish frost]

and didn't mean for that to be a reply of what I replied it to

[drifting sleet]

yes made that joke yesterday and someone said they tried it lol

[wicked wasp]

Missing Zeroth number. A-Zeroth. Obviously the answer is number A.

[quasi aurora]

also someone said the sword and symbol are in IF

[finite perch]

Doesn't work in other languages though

[sour jackal]

yeah, this one's symbol looks like a dwarven hammer so that fits

[rugged ice]

In french

[golden shell]

In different languages it is a reference to zero (in German is nuller) so it is unlikely A-zeroth

[ionic bough]

I used https://www.wowhead.com/de/item=189827 next to that Enigmatic Machine thing and it took me to Ulduar. I wanted to check out the Enigmatic Machine in Zereth (because that Enigmatic Machine is something I walked by all the time). Now I am flying around Storm Peaks (that song that was linked before had the phrases “leave the dead behind” and “make the world cold” in it). Its cold here, but nothing interesting except the symbols in Loken's Bargain match the symbols on the Encrypted Puzzle Box.

[olive bough]

My guess is the code is related to whats in the middle and the tile disposition and the numbers we got in the room are just a way to make the tile correspond to a number

[drifting sleet]

thats just a fun take on spelling azeroth is it not?

[craggy glade]

just tried it, no dice

[silver patio]

I have no idea what I'm doing when I'm even doing anything at all beyond just running around the catacombs for hours, but I'm having a great time.

[brave coral]

There is a small number of letters so it might be bruteforced that way, doesn't really seem the way to go

[craggy glade]

A Zeroth.

[olive bough]

Azeroth is the Zeroth One

came before the first Ones

[somber crescent]

Can someone try 106904

[wicked wasp]

Did anyone explore Ulduar based on Puzzle Box of Yogg-Saron's reaction to being used in Ratt's Lair? It laughs and says it knows the place and calls you a fool.

[finite perch]

The book isn't refering Azeroth - it doesn't work in other languages. it is referencing the number 0

[kind wadi]

If it's a play on words at all it breaks/is ignored in other languages...pretty sure it's just meant to be literally zeroth (as in in '0'th)

[molten plover]

https://pressbooks.cuny.edu/learninglogic/chapter/the-language-of-zeroth-order-logic/

[coral pewter]

yeah and repeat always the same

[somber crescent]

or 230310

[scenic turret]

try 696969

[unborn tiger]

somehow missed "event coordinators" was in quotations - back to trying every type of cipher with this and 466478

[lavish frost]

sure but this is just one small part of a bigger puzzle, none of the other machines were that crazy to figure out

[sacred geode]

its the zeroth LETTER, which is ampersand (&) and was actually a part of 27 letters alphabet a long time ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand

[somber crescent]

Ty

[ionic bough]

I only went into the instance where it is safe for everyone (because of that "accessible for everyone" thing.

[brave coral]

Yea I wish we had at least a really small direction

[simple quiver]

Just said not tonight baby I've got a headache 🤣

[worn blaze]

"heroes" as well

[median flume]

Gonna poke around in Pandaria

[limber plank]

We probably do! It's just we have 10 small directions, of which we don't know is the right one!

[honest radish]

Zeroth has to be a play on words somehow. With A being the hidden letter maybe? Since its missing for "Azeroth"

[radiant isle]

Just tried the unicode of the ampersand (0026) no dice. Probably too obvious

[sleek bloom]

I wish I knew cipers

[cursive widget]

Did anyobe test the bottle of steam? Since we have a steam buff protection

[bitter karma]

That response is from the legion scenario's. Ratt's Revenge is using the map that was used for some of the legion legendaries (a few take you to the Kara Catacombs).

[lavish frost]

I tried using 20 as the offset for shift cipher because of the "how many years" " hasnt' worked in 20 years" clues, and various things like "heroes" "FIRED" as plaintext, no avail

[vocal glade]

Is there a cipher where you can use numbers as a known password, in this case, 466478?

[lavish frost]

made sense in my head

[tepid dove]

Just woke up, any progress on the tile room machine?

[wicked wasp]

There are only two NPCs in the game with the title <Event Coordinator>, it's Ratts herself and Alyx. Has anyone tried to enter ALYX translated into a number into the machine?

[unborn tiger]

been working with one pad cipher

[stable ore]

nope

[prime osprey]

This bike better fly I swear to god

[stable ore]

yes

[bitter badger]

oh boy do i have news for you

[whole berry]

Any idea what this is aiming at? 😄

[unborn tiger]

any of them that ive seen want the pass and the text to be the same length and "heroes" and "twenty" are both 6 characters but nothing has been fruitful yet. think i should be trying with A=1 aand A=0 though

[sour jackal]

there was a spell datamined early on that makes me believe it's gonna have something clickable which is us attempting to re-activate its interdimensional capabilities....but destined to fail every time

[wicked wasp]

ALYX turned to numbers is 1 12 25 24

[main reef]

Seeing as how it's a recolor of the bike from Mt Dew promo, I highly doubt it

[sand quest]

we've got O that looks like a zero maybe for the hidden zeroth letter and the enigma machine that has the out of order letter. could the codes start at the o in "heroes" instead of the start of the word?

[olive bough]

My guess is that we have to have something to aim at the bell above and this is a hint for that

[scenic turret]

aiming up

[quasi aurora]

im assuming someone went down this rabbit hole?

https://www.wowhead.com/item=129276/beginners-guide-to-dimensional-rifting

[simple quiver]

With josh saying we are walking past it. Could it be we have to input the code after pressing the big red button as we get a 20 second timer ?

[rugged ice]

You can offset letter of 466478 position wich is A = 446478 / 26

[craggy glade]

Oh Josh Almighty, why have you cursed your loyal followers so? Are to be as Job, suffering for a cosmic bet against a nemesis?

[wooden saddle]

Actually not sure, did someone try ? Cannot on my side, not revered :/

[orchid raft]

I tghought that, but wouldn't that be walking under it?

[somber crescent]

Have anyone checked out if theres any clues in wowcrendors video, since i watched 2 videos its at least 2 things from this secret that hes mentioning (not mentioning the secret tho)

[crisp kernel]

Tried this with the secret code, no dice

[scenic turret]

try 4 30's 30303030 megamind

[sacred geode]

just tried it with 466478, no dice

[silver patio]

You pressed the button 1000 times in this time?

[bitter karma]

Maybe this is regarding the cold coffee that gives a buff? Haven't gotten a chance to enter any codes while under the cold coffee buff.

[quasi aurora]

the book about dimensional rifting is in the room before 430...

[sacred geode]

no

[simple quiver]

Cheers was just a thought while I'm waiting for my wife to finish work lmao

[merry burrow]

The cold coffee got hotfixed to a 60s buff up from a 20s buff, so it's got SOMETHING to do with the secrets, just not sure which one

[swift vigil]

There is no way this is #8 it looks completely different then every other machine

[honest radish]

Other ones had different looks like the safe etc

[silver patio]

Been thinking about that as well

[wide jetty]

still 8/9?

[tame hearth]

maybe an actual ENIGMA machine?

[stable ore]

yes

[sacred geode]

i entered the code while the 20sec timer was running

[crisp kernel]

Every other console was mechanical, this is a different one

[rugged ice]

And yet it has input number and chest next to it

[bitter karma]

I thought it has something to do with the whole teapot reference from room 430 also.

[wicked wasp]

There is a similar machine to the other machines on the platform in Ratt's cave in Azh-Kahet.

[vestal widget]

What if room 430 isn’t the last piece of hate and it can’t be solved until we find the actual last piece?

[swift vigil]

but this also had the ghostly appearanc ethrough the goggles

the enigma does not

[edgy cipher]

I can still write numbers on the nature room

[wooden saddle]

Tea pot reference is on all consoles

[stuck forge]

where is the spread sheet of the codes we have all tried?

[tired mural]

Bug ? very long distance

[wicked wasp]

And everyone has walked past that console since you can't fly in Ratt's cave and everyone had to go there at least once.

[sacred geode]

could be because its an "actual" machine, without the goggles being needed

[wraith path]

what theses smoking pools are ?

[whole berry]

THere was one of these near the elemtanl in Ashenvale, do you think it might be usable again?

[worthy latch]

ur on a mistweaver with sheiluns gift talented

[mellow nymph]

I feel like we should be having more eyes on scrollkeeper sanctum, between the id and mop doodads... Maybe something was missed

[edgy cipher]

Was just thinking that since we are taking a step back at what could it be that we are missing, it could be that one 🙂

[glacial gazelle]

What if we need to stack fire dots debuff and transfer it to that orb with the torch u.u (from the fire breath statue)

[whole berry]

demonic cat litter, found some on the Broken Shore too

[polar owl]

Hmmm

[nova saddle]

I tried that with it stacked up to 10 and nothing happened. It could be higher, but that was hurting pretty bad at 10 stacks.

[vocal glade]

There's also one in the cat room

[wooden saddle]

Any one Revered with Court of Farendis tried that ?

[wicked wasp]

Has someone tried to use the ghostly machine on the platform in Ratt's Cave that looks like the other machines in Ratt's Lair?

[boreal moss]

do we know anything about this tile or is it just decor? it doesnt do damage but the extra red one does near the Steam machine

[wraith path]

I'm going crazy

rly

[merry burrow]

That's what damages you if you get the code wrong

[wooden saddle]

It does when you input wrong code, that's the Cloud Tile that hurts you

[scenic turret]

I dont want hints from josh but damn I wish we get past this one code soon

[boreal moss]

yes but if u jump here next to steam machine

[swift vigil]

this is as likely to give a piece of hate as the other thing is

[vocal glade]

Potion of Truth is probably something to think about, but we have to figure out how to get into the cat room because the buff you get from Ashenvale will be removed if you changed continents, enter instances, etc.

[vale glade]

Maybe this Room isnt supposed to be solved now. We need to solve other stuff First. And we're wasting our time right now

[full crane]

It's tied to Kalimdor!

[radiant isle]

Not usable outside of Azsuna. Just tried it in the dungeon, says I'm in the wrong zone.

[vocal glade]

The cat room is the only thing besides room 430 we haven't solved downstairs, so?

[crisp kernel]

Anyone tried the ID of this thing? It's on the exact same table as the console on the mirror opposite side of the room

[wooden saddle]

Thx for the try

[sacred zealot]

I think we need to solve the code in room 430 and find that muffin... then other parts will open up.

[wraith path]

nothing damage you if you get the code wrong. It only push you back on tiles

[merry burrow]

It does damage you. Check combat log

[wooden saddle]

Look at damage logs

[cloud latch]

Not sure if it's releveant, but the original enigma machine had 3 rotors (Work as three?). Please tell me we dont have to crack the enigma code 😂

[copper imp]

just face the tiles and you get pushed from them

[quasi aurora]

Think im onto something.... not sure if its related to the last piece of hate... has anyone tried Kirin Tor familiar pet in the catacombs yet? He's tied to the WOTLK version of the interdimensional books AND hes a model from the mobs in Karazhan.

[boreal moss]

it does some dmg yes, the tiles more dmg

[wraith path]

ok ain't seen that before because of absorbs on me

[brave coral]

I've been thinking about this but I have no clue what would be the rotors in our case, or how many would we have, and also what we would decypher

[wooden saddle]

Not fully knowledgeable on Enigma related things, but as to "how many" rotors, maybe 3, as per the plaque says ?

[worn blaze]

don't forget that the numbers on the notes are not the same depending on your client's language

[whole berry]

What's this guys ID

[worn blaze]

100% you need to play with numbers

[wicked wasp]

Not only does the plaque say work as three, but in french it also says you have to learn to "turn in circles" (tourner en rond à trois). It could refer to THREE ROTORS.

[scenic turret]

42069

[last ermine]

dose any one else had there oger of rage dissapear?

[open nest]

That's Tim

[cloud latch]

simply put -more rotors, more brain hurty

[radiant verge]

the diary in room 430 says to look for things hidden in plain sight, and Josh said something about it requiring both an in crypt and out of crypt solution so, mebbe looking around the room, it has something to do with Auchindoun / SL?

[molten plover]

I don't see him up today, but has anyone killed Feasel the Muffin Thief recently?

[high wagon]

anyone tried 8008135? the real ones know

[somber crescent]

wish we found something to make this hunt a lil more interesting, now i feel we're grasping for to many things lol

[limber plank]

Is there anything that someone has seen that looks similar to the Pigpen cipher? Example: -

[open nest]

the way the original question was worded this could just mean google

[molten plover]

I've tried them they're nice

[storm drum]

probably late ..but just found a piece of paper on the ground with the note : 1525 ( in the 430 room )

[brave coral]

I did some fun stuff, got 466478 to text, got ".@N", went over some iterations and on the 20th one got "DVd"

[wicked wasp]

I'm pretty sure my interpretation of the plaque writing refering to three rotors of the enigma machine is the correct one.

[indigo quail]

Going to sleep, goodluck everyone. Have the bike seat warmed for me in the morning

[scenic turret]

hidden from plain sight, not in plain sight

[last ermine]

have we seen this?

[cloud latch]

I mean there's tonnes of symbols but without a cipherphrase to match up it's shooting in the dark

[alpine lance]

the book next to the code machine ?

[cloud latch]

already used for a machine clue

[unborn tiger]

this gave the answer to the machine next to it

[urban knoll]

any dhs use their special eyes xd

[last ermine]

thanks ❤️

[vocal glade]

what about 7734 because that's what we're living in

[inner raft]

so we have all we need apparently

[worn blaze]

well ye?

[radiant verge]

exactly the wording something that should be obvious but is overlooked, not the mathematical origin of the universe....42 as we all know

[limber plank]

This was specifically referring to the Mankrik unsolved cipher btw

[cloud latch]

except enough neurons, apparently

[inner raft]

I never claimed to use our collectively shared two braincells responsibly

[inner raft]

ah, well.

[boreal moss]

do we have any clues for these locked chests around the place?

[full crane]

How I feel watching when none of my theories seem to pay off so far 😤

[pure plume]

btw found ratts ... he is sitting on the beach in tanaris

for the end of the quest relations questline

[radiant isle]

I believe the line is "hidden from plain sight" not "hidden in plain sight"

[tame bison]

Mine doesn't react to that any more?

[scenic turret]

cut her throat

[tame quest]

did some big brain already try the Vigenère cipher, matching the length of words with the numbers you see on notes scattered around?

[cloud latch]

not sure it's possible without knowing the order of the numbers currently

[wicked wasp]

Has anyone tried to look like a female draenei in white robes and speak with Ratts at the beach?

[wooden saddle]

Do you have the plaque in French ? This intrigues me in fact

[radiant verge]

sorry I mistyped that but my point still stands

[vale glade]

THE answer IS gonna be the day Ratts was fired from the event.

[fallow elbow]

I love how you apparently need to be Alan Turing to solve these puzzles. You have everything you need! Except a phd in cryptology…

[wicked wasp]

I don't but I saw a screencap of it earlier, and instead of "learning to work as three", it said "apprendre à tourner en rond à trois", which means "learn to turn in circles as three".

[stable ore]

do we have a list of all the notes that only show up with the goggles?

[dawn pelican]

The argument is its a community puzzle, there are a thousand of us to provide a thousand wrong answers, alan turing only ever provided one right answer at a time!

[quasi aurora]

maybe it means take turns?

[alpine lance]

the big book looks like a dwarf book with the faces and the hammer

[cloud latch]

that does indeed sound like 3 rotors. Darn

[mild jewel]

Yea I did try adding all the numbers from each individual note to match a letter from the alphabet, run that through Vigenère with the key "heroes" and then using a ceasar of 20, but it was gibberish (tho I suck so I probably messed up somewhere)

[wicked wasp]

Been saying it for an hour 😦

[normal trench]

pretty sure this says it all

[alpine lance]

do we have a dwarf archmage in wow ?

[radiant isle]

focus on what though!?

[quasi aurora]

also sounds like the spinning rubix cube thing with a circle on it

[last ermine]

intressting that the fire monkey statue is giving you a stacking debuff, maybe something for a clue?

[quasi aurora]

and symbols

[magic ledge]

Question for other languages t9 texting in other countries?

[wooden saddle]

The plaque in english seems to refer to 5 things to know, Just wanted to confirm if that's the same in other language.

• The final cipher/key and the "work as three"

[wicked wasp]

"Work as three" isn't as implicitly about rotors "tourner en rond à trois" that is on the french plaque.

and the enigma machine, the real one, had three rotors

[mild jewel]

tho I still thing is a cipher because of the book on the pillar room

[tropic locust]

i think the work as 3 part refers to the goggles we put on. there's 3 lenses and it says to see my secret notes you need to work as 3

[manic dagger]

isnt there a compilation of all the different texts in other languages translated to english somewhere?

[lavish frost]

thinking we need to fix the enigma machine in game then use that to decrpt the code

[cloud latch]

here https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Incognitro,_the_Indecipherable_Felcycle

[undone jetty]

3 torches at once on that orb..?

[wicked wasp]

Do we know the ID of the out of order enigma machine and can we check if other similar items have been patched into the game recently?

[stable ore]

tried it does nothing

[undone jetty]

kk

[last ermine]

okry i got alot of stacks from the fire breathing satue and then died and i woke up at "morgan's plot" is it a bug or somethign intended?

[vague flare]

now josh is listening to a song from a album called "Caps on, Hats off" lol

[wicked wasp]

Today's reward for finishing the side quests gives a cap item, with blinking red lights like the alarm in Ratt's Lair.

[stable ore]

so transmog to the new thinking cap?

[wooden saddle]

When we try out a few enigma decoder, with 3 rotors, we seem to need 9 inputs (rotor type, position and ring), plaque doesn't seem to indicate as many input 😦

[lavish frost]

we are definitely being trolle dlol

[manic dagger]

@last ermine you died in a dungeon. thats why you get teleported out

[inner owl]

not sure if anyone has posted this but getting up here you cant do anything other then target the humming crystal and yep perks of double jump. glide and demon form lol but im gonna guess this is linked to the crystal room

[wicked wasp]

But the machine's input limit is 9.

[tame condor]

Maybe the "3" reference is the cap, the goggles, and the...3rd thing

[vague flare]

he said this was solveable at the beginning, so couldnt be the caps that we got today.

[lavish frost]

there was a book talking about mo'arg and mechanar, have we tried going there w the new goggles? if not I will

[bitter ivy]

the helm on the mage tier is the wrong way around in that room too

[drifting sleet]

I scoured that place with goggles. nothing

[stable ore]

probably a clue to the paper behind it

[quasi aurora]

I dont see why this isn't more of a focus for the 9th piece of hate... it has the same setup as the other pieces of hate

[golden cape]

Leading theory is we need the item you purchase from getting all pieces of Hate (and the muffin) to get up there "correctly" to get around brute force protection

[oblique solar]

Did anyone counted the amount of Rats and used the ID of them?

[wooden saddle]

but position and ringsg could be 2 digits, this doesn't seem to be it. I mostly wanted to see if we could solve mankrik too. Maybe having the real solution of Mankrik could remove clues for 430.

[quasi aurora]

so maybe we need to solve humming crystal to get the 9th piece

[vocal glade]

So the Torn Journal Entry says something about "cleverness" and one of the tenets of being a Vulpera is "be quick, be clever"....

[silver patio]

Went through every number from 466400 to 466500 on Wowhead (plus some random numbers)
Of course mostly just stuff we've seen before, and maybe that's how Wowhead works - that we have to encounter it for it to show, like:
https://www.wowhead.com/object=466413/encrypted-puzzle-box

Only odd one that stood out was an item that was added in 11.0.2, but/so I assume that one's irelevant and that I'm wasting my time doing this

[brittle epoch]

I tried that, nothing..

[marsh trail]

cold coffee is also in hallowfall, in the lamplighters area.

[inner owl]

the main reason i come back being a DH i thought i could prob get there and have a look lol as its the same machines but nothing here :S

[craggy glade]

Once again, do we have any idea how long the code actually is? It could b 3, it could 5, it could be all 9. No sense in finding randomg strigns of numbers if we don't know how many we need to put in.

And the Humming Crystal is prsumable the stupid crystal telport thing we buy WITH the pieces of hate. I'll bet we need it to port into the room with the humming crystal.

[silver patio]

Hallowfall has cold coffee AND a humming crystal

[vocal glade]

quick, cipher "Beledar" into numbers

[silver patio]

(like, the huge one)

[kind wadi]

Because the pieces of hate let us buy an item off the vendor that will port up there...combined with the stuff up there not being interactable yet it seems to be for later

[quasi aurora]

i think the interdimensional travel clues has to do with us shifting to another reality to activate that end of it.

[indigo sand]

I want to take a moment of silence to remember all of the dailies that have not gotten done over the last few days because of this puzzle

[quasi aurora]

oic

[swift vigil]

where is the pieces of hate sold to again? i saw a picture but not sure where it was

[quasi aurora]

do we know for sure it will port us there or educated gues?

[vocal glade]

moment of silence for all the +10 Grim Batols that didn't get bricked because of this puzzle

[cloud latch]

Blizzard combatting gold inflation in the most brain-melting way seems on brand here

[drifting sleet]

inside booty bay statue

[inner owl]

yeah or maybe the crystal is linked to something in hallowfall simialr sort of thing

[craggy glade]

sell it to the skeleton in the statue in booty bay. We need a golden muffin for it tho, and we havent even STARTED on that nonsense.

[thorny bramble]

josh always said we "walked past it", did anyone manage to comb borean tundra with the whole DETHA thing? i haven't found anything

[silver patio]

edit: im not sure actaully

[radiant verge]

does the muffin and/or the teleport gem have id's worth trying?

[merry burrow]

Why would they increase the buff duration Now though

[indigo sand]

I imagine the cupcake will become obvious once we get this last coin

[cloud latch]

the ear already got used for a clue so doubt its still relevant

[crisp kernel]

Can we call the worm Wilson?

[craggy glade]

what clue?

[quasi aurora]

that change leads me to believe that we need to do something under the cold coffee buff

[cloud latch]

the machine next to the door ("hear"), had to use thinking cap to get the coords to it and use them as the input

[quasi aurora]

and 20 sec was not long enough... so maybe another room?

or 20 was cutting it too close

[swift vigil]

and we're sure that This is the 8th "machine"

[novel vine]

You use your thinking cap where you looted the ear and go to note with 'hear'.. and your cords are -1,15 .. so code is 115.

[silver patio]

We're not sure about anything

[robust veldt]

Maybe there's a way to convert cold coffee to hot coffee or something

[radiant verge]

im pretty sure that worm is called wilson...

[quasi aurora]

The most sure we can be about things is what is already been used to solve other puzzles

[silver patio]

Sorry gonna be lazy here for just one second: Can someone give me the name of the "chest" in Room 430

[quasi aurora]

thats why we need a huge list of items that already got used

[swift vigil]

okay because a key point missing is that when you put the goggles on this DOES NOT have a ghostly glow aroun dit

[main sage]

Encrypted Puzzle Box

[indigo frigate]

Who said something can't be used twice

[cloud latch]

it's all in the wiki https://warcraft.wiki.gg/wiki/Incognitro,_the_Indecipherable_Felcycle

[swift vigil]

like everything else has

[radiant isle]

Encrypted Puzzle Box

[vocal glade]

"secret" and 466478 are both 6 characters long, idk if there's something to that or not

[peak abyss]

what about Ciphering the word HATE?

[autumn igloo]

Simple brute force method, make everyone in the channel volunteer for a progressive string of 1000 numbers starting at 0 and ending at 999999999. Just get them to come back and volunteer for another string everytime they finish their current string. Either we get it, or Josh steps in to stop the madness.

[stable ore]

tried it

[plush pewter]

Hate is our word for it, not the game’s

[regal ruin]

So is "heroes" and the event coordinator in tanaris name is "Yllana" also 6 characters

[quasi aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-it-how-ends-this-is-it-this-ishow-it-ends-gif-9999774

[radiant verge]

it seems hate and rage are kinda relevant here 😛

[cloud latch]

casual 1billion options at 9chars, plus then we need 100mil more for 8chars, then 10mil more for 7chars etc. etc.

[obtuse pecan]

under a extra fire tile is a note with numbers [15 25], it could be associated somehow to solving a puzzle

[limber lynx]

Has anyone been working on the nature room, which still has a decryption machine?

[twin sedge]

Hasn't someone already done 0-1000?

[stable ore]

yea 1525 shows up in the tile room too

[wooden saddle]

yes

[cloud latch]

the best bet currently is using only the numbers findable with goggles, I'd say

[mystic sun]

more than that no? since you can have 0's in front

[glad plover]

We need to think of this like an escape room. All of what we need is here or points us in some fashion to where we should go.

[wooden saddle]

those notes are not the same in all language and have been referenced in the pins 🙂

[robust veldt]

1525 is the zone id for revendreth ?

[craggy glade]

https://tenor.com/view/helluvaboss-helluva-boss-moxxie-loona-gas-gif-9866654993351513092

[silver patio]

Pardon if but I looked through a bunch of the "Opening - Spells on Wowhead.
The one tied to the Encrypted Puzzble Box has a field at least 7 of the other spells didn't have (I only checked 7 others...)

This part:
"Activate Object (8)
PVP Multiplier: 1"

Does this mean anything at all or does it just activate "object 8" as in the pillar/orb?
Or does it mean the code is 8 digits. I don't know programming stuff :F

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=463758/opening

[bright jungle]

Hiya folks -- I'll be locking this because we're making a channel as threads have a 1k member cap.

[main sage]

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[meager comet]

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