3 O'Clock / HATE (OLD)

[marble prism]

nothing in ZM

[zinc pivot]

gonna wait for this

[ionic bough]

These "tiny littly rocks" are also on the floor where the cats are.

[silver geyser]

I fear that the hints are the following:
The **Compass **on the table tells us Camera rotation is important.
The Handwritten note merely informs us that each code is personal.
The Big Book next to the decoder tells us that we need a big brain to solve, or worse, use math.
The Tiles on the Floor can somehow be decoded into a 6-digit number.

[thorn parrot]

tried with tick-tock NPC in kun-lai, same

[knotty geode]

The compass and the big book have been here since TBC. The only things related to the puzzle are the tiles on the floor and the note

[radiant gulch]

one here

[somber crescent]

Stanley in SW gave nothing

[violet seal]

That sounds like utter Compass Book Tiles

[tardy cove]

Password is obviously a game id or leading to a game id in some way. Useful clues and solution is probably way closer and all inside the instance like other machines

[sour jackal]

I'm dying at "or worse, use math" following need a big brain 😂

[bitter karma]

Just reading in between the lines, definitely agree we need some math nerds to solve this part of the puzzle.

[brittle drift]

Hmm - I'm here now with the goggles on and am not seeing it. Maybe it was a different trigger than the goggles? Was it by the baby?

[somber crescent]

The other codes were fairly straight forward so we can be overanalysing

[vocal glade]

When Arthas killed his daddy I cri every tim

[whole berry]

Take em off and put em on again

[brittle drift]

Oh got it - it's huge and above where she spawns.

[violet seal]

I’m thinking, we need to use Ratt’s password on the purported legion platform chest

[brittle drift]

Where the crystal identifies as "humming crystal." My bet is this has something to do with what we purchase from the vendor.

[magic ledge]

Red button item does 214 damage picnic basket is love is in the air about valentine's day ...

[lusty rock]

Sounds like it could be one of the targets the item at the end of the pieces of hate thing sends you to. It mentions crystals as targets or something right?

[brittle drift]

I don't see a chest - just the platform and the crystal.

[whole berry]

I've flown around the Broken Isles today, looking for this platform but had no success. There are a few of them spread around

[summer hazel]

how many in game years since the dark portal first opened?

[golden isle]

Same text as other Rock

[crimson topaz]

https://www.bourbonpenn.com/issue/8/the-letter-hidden-in-the-alphabet-by-daniel-ausema

Ok this might be grasping at straws, but after reading through this whole lot of nothing, it's saying that there's a hidden letter called gimel or something.

https://wowpedia.fandom.com/wiki/Gimmel

Coincidentally there's a Dwarf called Gimmel who doesn't seem to exist in game, but some of the characters mentioned in this article might know something 🤔🙃

[regal mirage]

nothing to do here tho

[whole berry]

I believe it just shows you what we need to find in the material world.

[sleek bloom]

Is this where ratt was?

[vocal glade]

20 years have passed since the fateful day that Arthas murdered his father. 20 years have also passed since we "heroes" began our journey, that is, started playing the game

[sour jackal]

are you saying that translucent crystal also identifies as "humming crystal" on mouseover? has anyone tried using the toy which got posted yesterday that was connecting its light beam to the humming crystal in the lair?

I forget which toy

[jaunty rain]

Humming crystal in the lair is attackable when you get a trashin car toy too

[vocal glade]

We need all 9 pieces and the golden muffin before we can think about that crystal room lol

[crisp kernel]

That platform looks legion like

[brittle drift]

Yes - proof (the chest and console have no mouseover detection)

[crimson topaz]

Hmm maybe it could be the Grim Batol entrance coordinates

[brittle drift]

Sorry - attached wrong screenshot lol

[whole berry]

So in the cave were Ratt was, we can see a paltform, with a humming crystal, a console and a mechanical chest.

There is also a baby on the other side holding a wand, the exact same wand can be found in room 430 but is broken

[sour jackal]

damn what was that toy from yesterday

[near hearth]

could be something related with the number of tiles and the fact that 1 is missing?

[warm idol]

Am i the only one who can't solve the " 77777 " room ? I'm wearing glasses, i've items in my bag, i've been trying for hours with all machines in the room .. nothing happens..

[past grove]

Everyone knows that there 2 holes which you can fall in, right? One in achievement quest (your clones) and one in another cave (for secret finding)

[violet seal]

Is the zeroth letter space?

[brittle drift]

https://discord.com/channels/223122687227199489/1308975696231530608

[near hearth]

try 777

[mortal crater]

try 6 7's worked for me

[gleaming rock]

wait, didnt the tile things in pandaria had a different "safe" tile each day?

[indigo olive]

it is in A1Z26 cipher, though that method does not work on the notes

[leaden wraith]

I Wonder if the note with Murloc babble is related to this ?

[bright fossil]

it wouldnt be locked behind an anniversary item

[hollow jay]

ok, this needs to be written:

so the "password" on the note is 466478

I already said that the zone ID of catacombs seems to be 46

that leaves numbers 6478

let's look what objects in the catacombs lie exactly on Y axis point 64,78 - actually the Handwritten Note itself! exactly to the 0.01 point

and what objects lies exactly on X axis point 64,78? Rubinstein's safe! again, exactly to the 0,01 point

this would be absurd coincidence if its a coincidence

[crisp kernel]

Platform model exists in the legion tower ships

[bitter karma]

The solution for the hear chest was based on coordinates, so we might be on to something here.

[violet seal]

Oh gods, we don’t have to complete Eonar’s boss fight do we?

[crisp kernel]

I'd check legion areas

[hazy moon]

Has anyone tried 377698, the id for open sesame? Josh posted a picture of his cat with sesame oil in the corner lol

[wicked wasp]

451 is the safe combination for the first safe you encounter in all Arkane games (Dishonored, Prey, etc..), may be worth a try.

[crisp kernel]

This one was from Suramar

[whole berry]

Not only on the ships. I found a few lyuting around on the Broken Shore and Aszuna, but I think that this one will be in a cave

[brittle drift]

It yields Input Error 418 haha

[wicked wasp]

Damn!

[sour jackal]

there's a limited time to be in the ship during that so I doubt it's in use. I couldn't think of what other Legion ships in vertical configuration exist that are still accessible. Is it just the Suramar one? We destroy the one in the Broken Shore opener, and the DH class hall is, well, DH-specific.

[broken nexus]

Has anyone tried using the Bottle of Steam that the Traveling vendor sells in Azsuna? With the glyph of Immunity?

[crisp kernel]

I'm curious about what that is sticking out from the cave wall in the pic

[honest radish]

Yeah

[keen sky]

Must be in a cave, if the crystals jutting from the ceiling is part of the projection

[marble prism]

How much time does the fire debuff tick in statue?

[past grove]

In this quest (for achievement) you require to hunt down your shadow clones, which looks exactly like "ghost" in felcycle room

[bitter ivy]

I'm willing to bet everything we need is in kara catacombs, more so room 430, feel like everything else is just strings for other pillars we are not upto yet

[junior holly]

Yeah i tried it in front of the steam tile

[knotty geode]

How is the ID of the catacombs 46 when its 10638

[tardy cove]

46 is also the numer of in game years since the first dark portal opening

[sour jackal]

Josh said elements exist inside and outside the catacombs for this one

[stiff depot]

in 14 minutes guest relations/crate break for me^^

[broken nexus]

What about the GLyph by the Ward? I assume the S is for steam

[wooden saddle]

On a side tangeant, did we try the Inflatable Thunderfurry for the Thunderfurry console skip we did ? Cannot try it again and not too motivated on doing everything again on an alt 😄

[open nest]

The S stands for "Hope"

[sour jackal]

your glyph isn't clipping into the wall, sus

plz re-break your glyph, ty

[knotty geode]

When

[wraith path]

Nah it's the S from Super Josh

[radiant isle]

We literally went all over the world for 2 o clock.

[brittle drift]

It just always faces the camera! So if you look at it from an angle, it presents to you as "straight on" which causes it to clip through the wall

[wicked wasp]

The glyph is the same symbol that is under the floating sword in Ironforge museum. The same floating sword that is also in Room 430.

[radiant isle]

So stuff outside is not out of the question

[broken nexus]

just for you

[brisk shard]

Can also be found in Garadar/Outland

[sour jackal]

it was in ask-josh earlier#thanks-josh message

[wicked wasp]

And by the time we solve this, Outland will have been 20 years ago, we got it!

[ocean helm]

So we need stuff from outside and inside to solve it?

[radiant isle]

Potentially but we don't have leads

[open nest]

ya but based on the way the question was phrased "outside" could just mean real world

[vale glade]

Do we have a date when the Mf Ratts was fired ?

[open nest]

ie enigma machine

[rotund merlin]

surley if I sleep and wake up there will be an answer

[ocean helm]

Oh no

[hushed sand]

I’m sure I’m rabbit-holing a bit much, but… this is a Polybius cipher… and the arrangement with the corner missing looks oddly familiar.. not to mention the word “FIRED” is in caps in the note..

[wicked wasp]

From the wording it sounds like Ratts was fired just before this event.

[radiant isle]

I wonder what he was fired for

[wooden saddle]

"FIRED" wouldn't work with other language translation probably

[vale glade]

Maybe the password IS indeed the day he was fired. It makes Sense from the revenge stuff

[lusty rock]

Has anyone tried the rare on argus, named after Muffinus (Jeremy Feasel) called Feasel the Muffin Thief? It drops a Carefully Hidden Muffin, that when eaten, can give a prize?

[rose relic]

Guys... Rubinstein has a dagger on his side and I saw a note saying "Think. Listen." and I found this:
Anton Rubinstein - 12 Songs, Op. 36: The Dagger https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEFwek5-An0

[sour jackal]

I've been wondering if the tiles in the room correspond to anything, since they "change" every instance reset but are all 19 tiles actually changing? or are a few always static?

[radiant isle]

Already tried. No Golden Muffin.

[wicked wasp]

"FIRED" applied to french female (Ratts is female) is "VIREE", so also 5 letters.

[inner raft]

when I get a chance I'm gonna try to follow a lead for the enigma machine, given the missing tile is right next to it, I feel that's a big clue

[lusty rock]

I was pondering that yesterday but didn't really know what to do with it

[delicate skiff]

based german

[scarlet crane]

When we looked last night there were just a couple that change. There was a picture but it's probably impossible to find from 10 hours ago.. lol

[wicked wasp]

German is the party pooper of languages.

[lusty rock]

K, thanks.

[pine moth]

Sounds to be a normal german Word for me

[gleaming rock]

ok 1525 is the same in english and french, how is fired in spannish and italian?

[lament oxide]

can someone link me the graphic of the floor tiles data again please, not finding it via search as it is discussed so often

[wraith path]

Catacombs ID is 46
We go to Catacombs because we want a race bike
Valentino Rossi have a race bike #46
Think the solution is his birthdate

[golden cape]

This was solved awhile ago. Rubinstein ended up being a red herring. It's actually Rubenstein (with an E) people googled to find the jugglers puzzle, which was the solution

[frank ledge]

Pretty sure catacombs ID is 10638 and not 46

https://www.wowhead.com/zone=46/burning-steppes
46 is Burning Steppes

[marble prism]

Such an item in game provide Thunder or electricity?

[pine moth]

And if you go at coordinates on this map ?

[signal crater]

It would be LICENZIATO for Him and LICENZIATA for Her in Italian

[wraith path]

You aren't fun.

[wooden saddle]

Thunderfurry haha

[minor latch]

46 is the Catacombs zone id, not map id

i think

[somber crescent]

when someone figures this out we're all gonna be like "why didnt i think of that, thats so simple" lool

[wraith path]

reverse imho.

[wicked wasp]

What kind of moron uses the code 0000? That's what I use on my luggage!

[radiant isle]

ah yes the Portal experience. spending a hour figuring out a test chamber only to find an obvious solution

[minor latch]

literally the jenafur solution

[marble prism]

Because rage statue can get fire by the tile or us touche the tile, so maybe one of the statue can get thundered?

[regal ruin]

What was it

[open nest]

Yo whoever made the spreadsheet your stuffs wrong. You've got "Rage Statue Room" as the note location but the coords point to the red button room

[ocean helm]

Sound 46 is Dismember https://www.wowhead.com/sound=46/dismember

[minor latch]

We were all looking at the puzzle upside down for 11 months

[lusty rock]

"12345? AMAZING! I have the same combination on my luggage!"

[fair torrent]

any updates fam? I was at the gym

[rose relic]

430 is the map id for Temple of the Jade Serpent Dung and look that! Same structure with empty center

[bitter ivy]

Why is the mage tier helm the wrong way round on the dummy? Is that code for something

[golden cape]

I'm convinced at this point it's either incredibly simple, like interpreting some of the worlds/phrases in the clues extremely literally. Or, something incredibly complex like a letter/number cipher using the notes on the ground and a rotation key. No in between

[gleaming rock]

what does it mean

[somber crescent]

Oh god i remember all the different things we tried and it took so long lol

[scenic turret]

Did we try to Fibonacci fettuccini da Vinci code

[rose relic]

Let's explore Temple of the Jade Serpent

[stiff depot]

use glasses from the catacombs

[vale glade]

That he have a good taste for music

[wraith path]

Nothing external to the World of Warcraft univers imho

[somber crescent]

maybe we put food items on the tiles lol

[sour jackal]

the rubenstein solve was literally a real-world reference to a juggling pattern so

[wooden saddle]

Rubinstein juggling would beg to differ

[sour jackal]

jinx

[drifting sleet]

So was the Konami code

[open nest]

How you like me now?

[lament oxide]

I think we have been looking at the tiles in the wrong orientation. The fire tile looks the right way up from the back of the room not the door.

[wicked wasp]

Josh is listening to "Breaking Benjamin". A Benjamin is also the name for the Benjamin Franklin 100 dollar bill. Breaking it means a part of that. IT'S OBVIOUS! Someone send Josh fifty bucks for the solution!

[gleaming rock]

im gonna use that on my math phd wife

[indigo olive]

At this point I'm willed to enter my credit card number and see what happens

[peak abyss]

Ive been thinking this as well, but from ther perspective of the machine. so 5 across the top, 4 rows down

[turbid depot]

Morning

[scenic turret]

Go back to sleep NA it’s not ready yet

[sour jackal]

that is interesting, making the bottom-left the "missing" one

[turbid depot]

:(

Can’t wait to spend all day tryna figure out this damn thing

[drifting sleet]

Im still on the theory on deciphering with the enigma machine.

[golden cape]

Man, 100%ing the entirety of The Witness is turning out to be easier than this one singular puzzle in this one single set

[stiff depot]

last crate in guest relation and new quest GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[sour jackal]

the fire tile by the enigma machine is rotated 90 degrees clockwise if we think of the tile orientation

[turbid depot]

Thing is we can’t just ignore the tiles being right around the machine seeing as all the others were solved with clues right near the machine

[quasi aurora]

Yeah im thinking we need to get the broken enigma working in order to be able to start solving the puzzle

[inner raft]

Same. Hasn't worked in 20 years, maybe we need to find an NPC from vanilla to fix it?

[drifting sleet]

I mean using irl enigma machine to decipher it. Might be a clue like the juggling torches next to rubenstein and not something we actually fix.

[turbid depot]

Can you use the glasses outside of the instance

[wicked wasp]

Was there a famous IRL code broken 20 years ago?

[radiant isle]

using it in Isle of Thunder rn

[inner raft]

It's apparently really complicated to do, I mean it's definitely possible

[open nest]

i did

[drifting sleet]

Enigma machine by Turing to decrypt nazi messages

[tame condor]

the wording in the hotfix is odd too. Ratt's password is now present? so no longer past?

[inner raft]

Good spot

[wicked wasp]

Pretty sure nazi messages were more than 20 year ago.

[turbid depot]

Anyone try going to gou -lai halls and looking at the cloud tiles there

[scenic sorrel]

maybe the password is "present"

[drifting sleet]

We sure about that?

[turbid depot]

With the glasses

[sour jackal]

the Enigma machine was created by Germany in 1918 and was doing the encrypting

[wet cave]

Good morning! Any luck on the last code?

[tame condor]

Who was the fixer goblin? He shwoed up in WOD too to help make our base...drawing a blank

[covert breach]

Was thinking (Ratt's secret password)-12345 [which gave the 418 error] = 34333, no access to my pc to try

[violet seal]

Gazlowe

[keen sky]

Just as info: I went through all the spots in Azsuna and Broken Shore looking for the platforms we see in Ratts cave. None of them have anything with goggles, torch, thinking cap or idol

[wooden saddle]

I read it as : it wasn't there before the hot fix - probs made some secrets unsolvable

[drifting sleet]

I know I'm saying it's possibly a way to decrypt the message

[lone geyser]

so we need to do a museum heist to steal the enigma machine

[vale glade]

There was One. Rick McCormick's notes.

[radiant isle]

Gazlowe

[sour jackal]

I'm not sure we use it to decrypt given the presence of the enigmatic decrypting machine outside room 430, but I think perhaps one leads to the other

[modern abyss]

I had that......no invisible ones at all

[wooden saddle]

A lot of codes gives 418, and for other consoles too

[rose relic]

Temple of Jade Serpent has many books, looks solid... I'll keep investigating here... if anyone can help me with this theory...

[full crane]

Well. My theory isn't working very well so far.

[drifting sleet]

I know i just see the broken enigma machine up the stairs and think it itself is a clue and not something we fix. But hey might be wrong.

[tired mural]

holy

[sour jackal]

I'm guessing this doesn't change if the zero is instead bottom-left (assuming we need to be using the correct orientation)?

[cobalt sluice]

unfortunately, tiles are different for people

[sour jackal]

nvm thought that was about tiles

[iron olive]

only 4 of them ever change

thats what theyre trying to work with

[open nest]

someone ask Josh if this code is different depending on the instance layout

[full crane]

I use it as a starting point. If you change the starting point then you get totally different results as well!

[modern abyss]

The missing tile is upstairs and it's a fire one

[tepid zinc]

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/12WjkGCRWKviFtGJdlCmU8whOXLJq19hgX7-VE1IOdXQ/edit?gid=854394918#gid=854394918

I have connected the numbers to English alphabet where 0=A....Z=25
7 H
27 C H
80 I A
260 C G A
513 F N or F B D
666 G G G
746 H E G
786 H I G
1039 K D J
1172 L H C or B R C
1192 L J C or B T C
1212 M M or B C B C
1292 M J C or B C J C
1525 P Z or B F C F
1778 R H I or B H H I

someone said we gotta decode it so that was my try

[covert breach]

I noticed last night, the 4 center tiles are a different color than the outer tiles

[full crane]

Yes this take account of that, that's why there are blue colored tiles called "fire or Thunder"

[broken nexus]

That was my guess

[full crane]

Yes, that's why I consider fire as 0 and as a starting point

[brittle drift]

There's also the only steam tile near the console.

[wooden saddle]

I still think they are all random and the fact we are not contradicting some tiles being random right now is due to it being based on some generated IDs somewhere. I distinctively remember seeing a screenshot of 4 yellows in the middle.

Still could be our code, random code would explain why we struggle.

[fossil pike]

Spanish for fired is Despedido

[fair torrent]

NOTHING for me at temple of jade serpent

[marble prism]

maybe another Tile is hidden

[golden cape]

There's also the thing in the other room with the 2m steam immunity buff which is suspicious

[terse thistle]

has anyone checked culling of stratholme? that was a pretty fateful day

[olive bough]

when you input a wrong code , its not the machine that propell you, but the tile, even the damage is from the tile

[signal crater]

and if tyles represent 1 and 0s? like binary codes?

[full crane]

If there is no screen there is no proof. No one sent a screen with 4 yellow middle tiles when we asked

[fossil pike]

I've seen 2 tiles so far, a fire one ont he upper floor, that tile is active, if you step on it you'll get burned, and an air tile I believe, in the same room where the machine is

[covert breach]

And the cold coffee buff

[inner raft]

I'm going to check some leads like this. Gazlowe/around ratchet/gadgetzan given they can't be in specific faction settlements. Maybe Gnomer too.

[robust veldt]

was the 466478 used yet? could be as simple as coordinates pointing to an npc or something whose id is the password

[ionic bough]

Not sure if it means anything, but yesterday evening when i was fiddeling around in the room i got myself killed by the knockoff of the enigma machine and ended up on the graveyard outside of the instance. I cannot reproduce it. Everytime I ... well... do some experiments with the tiles in that room, I end up at the start of the instance. Might just have been a bug.

[tame condor]

I just checked Ratchet. I saw nothing, feel free to check behind me. I'm headed to his present spot, which I believe is in Ahj Kahet

[inner raft]

actually maybe the samophlange quest or something, given it's about repairing something

[tame condor]

Maybe we have to create new characters on the classic classic hardcore realms releasing today and talk to Gazlowe

[marble prism]

The room full of Cat remember me Gilneas with all flesh and the big clock

[golden cape]

Never thought of that. I'm not in front of the game now, but does the steam immunity buff from the other room prevent the knock back, then?

[wraith path]

Think in 24 hours yeah it used

[fossil pike]

I read clock without the l and I was like: are we playing the same game? lol

[wraith path]

if you jump on the big book en enter a wrong code, you are bumped on the wall, take no dmg

[molten plover]

That's okay I misread "Perils" earlier

[marble prism]

Time to sleep i guess lol

[ionic bough]

Another weird thing: The cloud tile next to the machine seems to be inactive. The fire tile next to the "20 years broken" machine is active.

[vocal glade]

I think the top left tile in the middle is the only one of those that changes, I made a mspaint doodle in here somewhere

[fossil pike]

I just woke up!

[ripe heron]

Cloud tile activates if you input wrong code

[gleaming rock]

its not, when you input a wrong password it knocks you back

[olive bough]

maybe we have to find the correct pattern and number from each tile and then guess the cloud tile number which will be the code

[idle leaf]

Good morning yall. US team back awake and at it again.

[somber crescent]

finally

[silver geyser]

Anyone else been trying two's compliment? Assuming the missing tile to be red, and red to be 0?

[limber plank]

We've made so much progress without you 😅

[hybrid forge]

solve this for us it's drinking time in the EU

[brittle epoch]

Good luck

[cobalt sluice]

likely already tried, but has anyone input 466478 with both the coffee and steam buffs active?

[full crane]

Yep, from all screenshots I've collected it was always like this :
Only the blue tiles change

[gleaming rock]

yeah we counting on you US, im sure measuring distance in elbows, feet and backyards will get you far

[olive bough]

Here, US, take that pile of tiles and do something with it

[idle leaf]

Hells.

[fossil pike]

has anyone tried just a simple multiplication? multiply the grid where the tiles are and input that number, maybe substract 1 for the missing tile?

[open nest]

it's Freedoms Per Eagle get it right

[idle leaf]

FREEDOM PER EAGLE

🦅

[vocal glade]

I got the same thing but it's rotated 90° and the view is from when you walk into the room

[olive bough]

There is an eagle statue in that room, no ? HINT !!!

[delicate skiff]

damn bro u drunk

[scenic turret]

has anyone tried the code lolmao

[timber falcon]

so this is what we are stuck on

[gleaming rock]

different for me

[hybrid forge]

what would chuck norris do in this situation

[limber plank]

The Eagle is called the watcher, we just need to learn Eagle, remove him from stone form and ask him what the code was he last saw input

[vague zodiac]

roundhouse kick all the doors down

[ocean helm]

Maybe this will be our spend a year trying to figure it out. Like the Jenafur arranging meat part of secret.

[timber falcon]

chuck norris has code solve him

[olive bough]

Maybe this square of tile is like a sudoku 😁

[opal edge]

he just proc the game

[fossil pike]

nothing, he'd enter the room and the puzzles resolve themselves

[ripe heron]

He's like 80 now, so it would likely involve sitting down for long periods of time

[full crane]

No that's literally the same

[sleek bloom]

Yours is different @full crane has the middle right one rotating between colors in your drawing

[gleaming rock]

you are right, im just starting to lose my mind

[vague zodiac]

The felcycle is actually trying to solve chuck norris with less success than we are having right now

[vocal glade]

Yeah I didn't reset the instance more than like 8 times so it could have just stayed the same for me every time

[sour jackal]

Ratts is chilling at the beach celebration at the end of Guest Relations' Chapter 4, so I tried asking her WTF is up with room 430. Silent treatment.

[sleek bloom]

Ah true

[turbid depot]

Damn

[ionic bough]

Anyone taking a closer look at the song from Breaking Benjamin? I mean.... Leave the lost and dead behind?

[unkempt mango]

My tiles match this screenie

[hollow wind]

Escape Room has already been thought of?

[olive bough]

no pity for her, she was trying to sacrifice a living human baby in that cave

[violet seal]

There is no answer, Chuck Norris cannot be solved

[fair torrent]

have we tryed to imput the number of each tiles?

[marble prism]

SOrry if its old, but in the room with the "candy crush game" someone notice the "Carefully Constructed Control Device"? maybe a things with the broken one?

[cobalt sluice]

to be fair, that baby was creepy af

[ocean helm]

Ratts deserves to become a hunter tier set.

[vocal glade]

Ratts is Josh confirmed, he mains a Vulpera, we have to look into this

[urban star]

Chuck is not proud of us atm

[olive bough]

she was trying to poison him with that cake

[gleaming rock]

can these be numbers in a base 3 system?

[broken nexus]

Evil baby 100%

[gleaming rock]

like how binary numbers are 0 and 1's now we got 0,1 and 2's, as in red yellow and idk the changers?

[wraith path]

Ratts = Strat

[full crane]

Yes it can, that's called a Stanley sequence.
The numbers do get much higher very quickly though

Basically a base 3 number that looks like binary

[vocal glade]

The culling of Stratholme happened 20 years ago right after Arthas killed his dad right?

[tame condor]

Nothing from his "present" counterpoint in Azh-Kahet

[vocal glade]

Or before

[ocean helm]

Stanley sequence? Stanley Parable reference... 🤔

[inner raft]

I also wondered if the 'classic enthusiast' title would let us use it, but

[signal lantern]

At this point everyone stop trying to solve it! Forget about the bike! Josh is gonna have the big sad we all quit.

[inner raft]

it won't always be available

I'm checking booty bay then gnomer

[craggy shoal]

Wrong? Stanley sequence is about distinct elements of the sequence having their sum in the actual sequence +-3. You can note it in base3 but that is two very very different things

[rose relic]

These are the sky stars from Temple of the Jade Serpent, IDK if can help anyways

[gleaming rock]

did we try binary representations of each row?

[somber crescent]

Coooome on NA sovle it

[full crane]

Is it not? I might have got it wrong, it's really not my area of expertise.

[wraith path]

There isn't the same mogu tiles in a mogushan vault (Eternal Spring, where Rajani sit)

[tropic iris]

imma check his steam play time of stanley parable

[left ember]

ita

[craggy shoal]

All good. But yea no. Stanley sequence is a number sequence, has nothing to do with base 3. But can be represented in base 3 (or base 2, or base 5, etc.etc.)

[open nest]

i think the fact that the flame pannel next to the broken enigma machine is telling us which direction to look at the floor board

it's laying sideways

[olive bough]

what if the tile represent a series of 0 and 1 and it can be translated into a message ?

[tropic iris]

so this is Josh's steam and his playtime of these 2 games

[wraith path]

some tiles changes, so message change ?

[polar marlin]

Exactly EIGHT hours!!

[full crane]

Oh I see. Because from reading "ternary" I though it had to be base 3.

The Stanley sequence starting from the empty set consists of those numbers whose ternary representations have only the digits 0 and 1

But I assume going for base 5 would make numbers even more absurdly high though

[olive bough]

possible, secret had this kind of random stuff too before

[open nest]

guys i asked ChatGPT and it gave me directions on how to make a bomb did i do something wrong?

[tame condor]

Welcome to The List

[main sage]

I thought ternary too since the plaque tells use to work as three

[polar marlin]

As three not base three

[vocal glade]

We blow up room 430 with saronite bombs ez

[ionic bough]

Is the Stanley Sequence some sort of "linguistic math"?

[unkempt mango]

Maybe we need to be going where there are tiles like on the floor to solve this last puzzle. Matching the design?

[inner raft]

booty bay is clean but I forgot the teleporter is in gadgetzan now

so off I go

[marble prism]

ratts is Xalatath for sure, she torture us

[quasi aurora]

What's the stanley parable about? maybe we are tunneling on the specific equations but what is the overall theme of that game. dont judge me. never played it

[signal crater]

yes, it could be random each time based on tiles solutions?

[main sage]

Its ternary numbers that don't look like binary numbers, its strange

[vocal glade]

So the answer is feet?

[idle leaf]

Need to have a masters degree in math to figure out these numbers bro.

[silver patio]

I was out walking and was suddenly convinced I figured out the last solution. But then I got home and now I can't remember a single thought I had outside.

[marble prism]

in sens yes

[main sage]

living a monotonous life, breaking of patterns, following a script

[quasi aurora]

breaking patters aka enigma ? lol

[marble prism]

in bluepost Josh say " password is now present" maybe the password is really : present . lol

[quasi aurora]

that would be hilarious

is there any time travel in stanley parable?

[wooden saddle]

Actually happens often to me, moving somewhere, then I don't remember why. This 430 is turning us crazy

[timber falcon]

does this number get used with anything yet?

[inner raft]

might as well run it through some numbers

[wooden saddle]

not yet

[worn blaze]

[rose relic]

Can someone try 5055505 please

[timber falcon]

maybe it can get manipulated for our missing number

[vocal glade]

7737368? Lol

[quasi aurora]

my suspicion is that we are meant to apply some kind of cipher to this number

[scenic sorrel]

think i found something. Neural Enlarger for sale by Benatuauk at the anniversary event. Says: Temporary enchance your sleuthing tools, significantly increasing the visibility of the idol of ohn'ahra and tricked-out thinking cap

[glacial notch]

nope, just tried

[rose relic]

Thanks

[inner raft]

why this number curiously

[radiant isle]

all that does is make the idol and compass arows bigger.

[inner raft]

it just makes it bigger

I run with it constantly

[scenic sorrel]

bleh ok

[silk kettle]

Has anyone tried 877-CASH-NOW

[quasi aurora]

ITS MY MONEY

AND I NEED IT NOW

[vocal glade]

JG Wentworth frfr on god no cap

[wet cave]

Johnson and Johnson can help

[noble pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/my-money-cash-debt-angry-i-need-it-gif-16248854

[turbid depot]

we better call saul

[quasi aurora]

Shut the front door!

[inner raft]

ah, nokia text

[quasi aurora]

You LINT LICKER

[wet cave]

https://tenor.com/view/jg-wentworth-cash-now-gif-13402350

[idle leaf]

Im ready to put in my credit card number blizzard. Just give me the pretty bike.

[quasi aurora]

We are all slowly going mad...

[inner raft]

omw to gadgetzan to check around

[radiant isle]

Exploring the Isle of Thunder raid, not finding anything sadly

[inner raft]

no NPC is safe

[idle leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/conspiracy-theory-explaining-gif-13403485

[noble pecan]

Btw how the fuck is a regular player supposed to work this shit out 😮

[signal lantern]

The only way to solve it is to not solve it.

[vocal glade]

What if the password is your SSN that's 9 digits 😂

[pine moth]

844678 => thmpt, that should be the password :D

[quasi aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/gordon-ramsay-difficult-hard-gif-9001375

[radiant isle]

https://tenor.com/b0gIS.gif

[inner raft]

they wait until we finish it first

[idle leaf]

bout to put in my ssn 😂

[quasi aurora]

We're supposed to use our brains togetherlike

[spare prairie]

anyone else no longer able to see their cipher decode things?

[zinc pivot]

https://tenor.com/view/insane-gif-27660486

[inner raft]

there's seagulls in gadgetzan, the seagull clue, I know it

[noble pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/apes-together-always-weak-dawn-gif-18022934

[fleet copper]

not, thats why we do it as a community

[pulsar lynx]

Is the last Hate piece still unresolved ?

[vocal glade]

Quick what's Arthas' SSN??

[radiant isle]

0 braincells multipled by 0 is still 0

[left ember]

Has anyone else noticed that Rubenstein's eyes move?

[idle leaf]

We are all going insane.

[mystic sun]

Like a hive mind?

[tame condor]

Whats the ID of the blazecycle you get from mountain dew?

[hollow jay]

Hmpf... sadly at this point I am beginning to believe 466478 was merely a redundant clue supposed to lead us to other boxes through Rubinstein and Astral Soup (which lies on 78 Y axis)

[spare prairie]

yes the eyes are hints to using the items for obelysk

[idle leaf]

Room 430 is killing us. Brains are turning to complete mush.

[lament oxide]

It was part of the solve for that one. Sightswap is a math notation for jugglers to discuss patterns and calculate new ones.

[quasi aurora]

good point. We need to remember not every clue is going to give us what we want. we should remain flexible in our reasoning

[somber crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-goin-gif-6704079567258296337 sitting here waiting for americas to solve room 430 be like

[wraith path]

Someone tried the Hall of Tiles in Eternal Blossom ?

[idle leaf]

I am not awake enough for this..man.

we keep grinding

[quasi aurora]

What if the room is not meant to be solved before another puzzle?

[silver patio]

I am starting to think the notes are not tied to the room 430 code. It could also be tied to the alarm (press the button password amount of times?). I'm sure at least one of those 3 notes is tied to something else

[mint pollen]

so where are we now, any progress?

[pulsar lynx]

I don't think we're solving the whole riddle this year 🤷‍♂️

[crisp kernel]

Could be that the decryption console in 430 isn't for the Hate puzzle too

[vocal glade]

Josh bout to pull up and be like "hey guys how's it going this morning? 🤓🍿"

[tropic locust]

but EU was supposed to solve it while we were asleep!

[quasi aurora]

what if having th 9th piece happens AFTER another pillars orb?

[unkempt mango]

211087, didn't work sadly.

[tame condor]

I keep seeing mentions of juggling for that skeleton piece, but the notes say it's LInken's ID. What changed?

[coarse sandal]

have we tried random numbers at this point, like 4+3+0=7 lol

or seven 0

[idle leaf]

brute force it

[silver patio]

My biggest concern now is that people will start spamming random numbers and suddenly unlock it having no idea what number they put in

[marble prism]

imagine getting the 9th piece of hate without solve the tile room machine

[open nest]

That was coincidence

[craggy shoal]

Juggling is the actual solution. Linkens id is a coincidence and was NEVER used for the solution at all.

[lament oxide]

The siteswap pattern for rubensteins revenge is 52233, the three clubs on the floor next to the skeleton was a clue for it.

[polar marlin]

These riddles arent supposed to be figured put by one person alone, thats why this hivemind exists :>

[mystic sun]

I asked him earlier if he could maybe narrow our scope a bit (since we’re possibly trying clues for like 5 pillars at once)…..he said that was the point….i sensed evil laughter

[wooden saddle]

Linken's ID is the false explanation, it was the rubinstein juggling.
A "coincidence" per Josh say (I don't believe it)

[silk kettle]

Someone quick, WHATS JOSH'S PHONE NUMBER

[vocal glade]

You can see what numbers you put in if you go to the combat log since you are "casting" them

[tame condor]

Gotcha

[craggy shoal]

466478

[quasi aurora]

wait rubenstein... any relation to the cube that looks kinda like a rubix cube?

with the symbols

[silver patio]

The password on the note has a quite a few numbers in common with Blizzard's phone number - always in order, but with 3 extra numbers added here and there. Buuut I got the feeling they don't want to add a phone number as the solution lol

[vocal glade]

Wasn't that a quest thing back in tbc

[wet cave]

What if those tiles are telling us to go back into the Mogu Shan maze and it’s a brand new maze

Lmao

[wraith path]

mb something to do there

[sleek bloom]

Brute forcing would be a lot. We don't even know how many numbers we need

[wet cave]

Where is this?

[main sage]

Checked out end time (released in 4.3.0) found nothing with torch and goggles

[silver patio]

For every solutoin, we would need 222223 people to do 500 numbers each. I don't have that many friends. I have 1.

[idle leaf]

Someone clicked that damned red button almost 20k times.

[spare prairie]

im confused why i no longer see the luck machines with goggles on

[radiant isle]

We have (had?) someone brute forcing it already. They posted some number ranges yesterday

[plush raven]

Josh also said they put in measures against brute force

[idle leaf]

we can brute force the numbers.

[timber falcon]

how long can a code be? i found 1525 hidden under the desk by decryption

[teal nest]

1? Lucker ...

[tame condor]

ok dude no need to rub our noses in it

[craggy shoal]

I believe all 3 digit numbers were bruteforced. And someone said (i cant confirm) that someone brute forced all 4 digit numbers too. But brute force will be a boring solution

[inner raft]

gadgetzan seems clean

[formal orbit]

you got the coin from them

[gleaming rock]

10^9 combinations is a pretty good measure

[wet cave]

I mean those are exactly the same maybe there?

[unborn tiger]

this isnt true at least some were actually solved

[wooden saddle]

If you go to left hall, there's our orb thing too. I've searched that place 3 times, but I'm pretty blind

[spare prairie]

oh ok ty. i guess that makes sense

[craggy shoal]

What?

[silver patio]

I have tried every number between 466400 and 466666 now, as well as every number from 000 to 100, 00 to 100, and 0 to 100. Unless i skipped one, none of those work

[inner raft]

I'll grab the last guest stuff whilst I'm here and do a run around

[craggy shoal]

Im saying someone tried all 3 digit numbers on this puzzle, not talking about any of the other ones

[stone ledge]

Just letting you know I saw "heroes" in quotations in the desk note so I went down a rabbit hole on the TV show HEROES and came up with nothing. This post meant nothing.

[unborn tiger]

i understand now <3

[spare prairie]

i was working from 999999999 backwards and i ended at 999999980

[violet seal]

David bowie next?

[somber crescent]

I wonder if there could be something with the cold coffee = speed buff and the count down of the red button

[vital pumice]

So, I was fidgeting with the numbers in English, and found some oddities.

Ordering them and checking for difference in values, there is no difference bigger than 253. Actually, there are 3 pairs that are exactly 253 numbers apart.

Surprisingly, 1778/7 is 254, and it's funny that no difference is bigger than 255.

Anyone tried distributing these numbers on a 16x16 grid?

[silver patio]

Is it possible to do the shift+2 thing where you move up one action bar to see if there's a seEeEecret nuUumber oOooOoo

[magic swift]

Is it old? Using the goggles at the place where Ratts "present" location in Azj-Kaheb, Left object, Humming crystal is targetable, rest not

[molten plover]

Have that on our soundboard 😄

[vocal glade]

aiet I got 000000000-000000500

[jovial walrus]

There are 1,000,000,008 number variations from a 1-digit number to a 9-digit number... 1 billion and eight...

[prime sand]

466478 = gngpt

[molten plover]

has anyone tried 8675309

[radiant isle]

we gonna be here a while.

[cloud latch]

I get the feeling that it's not down to the floor tiles - Josh said that some folks were close yesterday and I believe that was when the numbers, Zeroth stuff and 418 codes were the theory of the day

[eternal meteor]

has anyone tried 1-900-490-FREAK

[silver patio]

And I will go from 000000500 to 000001000

[violet seal]

What about 1900-490-FREAK

[fallow hawk]

So at this point my brain just hurts, most likely like everyone else and I'm willing to grasp at anything.

So, correct me if I'm wrong but machine in 430 is the only one that has different model

At this point I don't think that this one give 9th piece.

But there's the thing. We've seen 9th machine. In Ratts liar after going back and getting googles on a platform with a crystal.

[vocal glade]

huge, we'll have it by the time Midnight comes out

[noble pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/heroes3sunrise-heroes3-heroes-iii-sunrise-sunrise-might-and-magic-gif-13410506

[eternal meteor]

i just said that!

[silver patio]

Probably not, I have to play GTA VI in between

[marble prism]

The set of bomb near the table can be activate?

[quasi aurora]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-stiller-confused-owen-wilson-dont-know-how-to-use-computer-zoolander-gif-141938953366565538

[marble prism]

by us when we took fire?

[robust veldt]

the 1525 should be the starting point

[idle leaf]

Bike before GTA VI

[radiant isle]

no afaik

[tame condor]

Is there anything different to the layout of Kara (outside, not the actual dungeon) from original release to now?

[silver patio]

we got GTA VI before room 430 😩

[unborn tiger]

very much agree. i think the encrypted puzzle answer would be an encrypted version of ratts's password, not the floor trying to lead us to solve something outside the instance

[violet seal]

Beat me to it

[north saddle]

I've decided I won't even use the green bike 😂

[polar marlin]

It irks me that the 430 machine is visible w/o goggles on

[molten plover]

Someone set us up the bomb?

[idle leaf]

this hella work for a mount that dont fly

[viral basin]

So how are we faring? Anyone made any progress?

[quasi aurora]

Would be nice if the green bike was flying... i know the MTN Dew one is ground only but it should be special

[silver patio]

The green bike will be my last mount. Imagine all this effort only to replace it with some 11.0.7 bird

[radiant verge]

has the list been decoded similar to the frogs on the log puzzle?

[marble prism]

probably activate and took the boom and destroy the tiles lol

[silver geyser]

I gotta know if there is some sort of psyco working over at Blizz that orders binary in groups of 5.

[cloud latch]

So is the Konami machine, so I'm not sure if that's a unique factor. It might just mean we need it later

[idle leaf]

Nah the next mount is gallywix's jelly rolls.

[molten plover]

https://tenor.com/view/what-you-say-zerowung-zero-wing-all-your-base-all-your-base-are-belong-to-us-gif-23152924

[craggy shoal]

Can zero pad them and call it binary. Tried though, no cigar

[full crane]

Now imagine if every answer is adapted to each player.
As if 466 is actually 430 + 35 (Vulpera ID) + 1 (female).
And if you were a gnome male you would actually have to start with 437

[quasi aurora]

this is another thing that leads me to believe that it's possible the 9th piece of hate is not even related to this 430 room

[silver patio]

What if we have to put a password into both of those in order somehow

[cloud latch]

Turns out the real geniuses were the folks waiting for the eggheads to solve it for them to avoid this insanity

[silver patio]

I AM a gnome male 😮 This is not a bad idea actually.

[thorny bramble]

did you even check Josh’s hint?

[gleaming rock]

maybe the real flying mount is the friends we made on the way

[molten plover]

https://tenor.com/view/always-has-been-among-us-astronaut-space-betrayal-gif-23836476

[main sage]

But given that we have 0, it’s also 8^10 and 7^10 etc

[polar marlin]

Chair-sized decryption machine

[silver patio]

Have a look at this one lil buddies

[quasi aurora]

we have a hint and we still cant get it? lol

[modern abyss]

The shady book dealer at the Tanaris event sells a book called "Big Brass Bombs"
Page 5 reads.......
Jack looked over his shoulder. "Oh, those are for reviving dead people."
Revi was intrigued. "Can they be used on someone while they're still alive?"
Never wanting to miss a sale, Jack responded without missing a beat, "Oh sure! Tell you what. You get all this stuff, and I'll throw in a pair of mayhem projection goggles for half price!"
Revi pulled out a sack of coins that made Jack drool. "Why not? Motorcycle sales have been good this year."
As Jack quickly tallied the total, he asked, "This must be a serious raid or somethin'?"
Revi shrugged, "Nah, I got a blind date with a guy named Marcus tonight."

[jovial walrus]

I went to sleep expecting to wake up to at least two more clues finished. I am extremely disapointed in the 5 heads of the WoW community.

[fair torrent]

where is the hint?

[merry burrow]

I don't think we have a hint

[cloud latch]

Which hint in particular? I don't think we've had anything confirmed/denied re. 430

[thorny bramble]

check the channel called ask-josh

[brave forge]

Josh said that people have passed the answer multiple times, wasn't that the hint?

[unborn tiger]

i dont have korthia unlocked, could someone go check and see if this NPC has dialogue unlocked? https://www.wowhead.com/npc=178257/archivist-roh-suir

[full crane]

Kipleton is about to bruteforce every number from 437000 to 437999 because of me, whoops

[quasi aurora]

can you tell us said hint so we dont have to go scrolling through? lol

[silk kettle]

I don think this is a failure of the community, its a failure on Josh. The fact that all these people have yet to figure this out is remarkable.

[somber crescent]

whooops

[gleaming rock]

design issue

[molten plover]

oh, Milo is Josh's cat

[brave coral]

I'll go check

[idle leaf]

loud incorrect buzzer.

[jovial walrus]

horrible take

[sly pelican]

Wasnt the "hint" that we're overthinking it?

[unborn tiger]

i think maybe 1% of people are actually sitting with pen and paper trying to crack the cipher thats not on him

[molten plover]

We're being conditioned to respond to that. Subconsciously trained as sleeper agents

[golden cape]

It's barely been 2 days

[prime sand]

Marcus is a recurring character in the steamy romance novels

[modern abyss]

It's the bit about the coins and motorcycle sales that got me thinking

[silver patio]

Trying to get rid of this dinner, then it's time for 437000 to 437999

[idle leaf]

everyone wants the mount super fast hell hivemind was cracked in 4 days.

[quasi aurora]

If we get this by bruteforce im going to be extremely disappointed lol

[hollow wind]

Logic would make you think that whatever code is needed at the decrypting device has to come from the Enigma machine. I can click on it, but nothing happens. Can anyone actually interact with the Enigma machine? Then again, when has Blizz ever been logical!

[quasi aurora]

I want someone to have the glory of figuring it out

[silver patio]

Maybe it is tied to numbers

[wraith path]

true

[open nest]

wow dude. no. way to give up and blame the devs.

[coarse sandal]

114463 try this, npcID for medivh maybe

[brave coral]

Why are you doing this to yourself, are all gnomes masochists?

[prime sand]

torch out

[quasi aurora]

^ yes

[golden cape]

Considering this set of puzzles also included the Owl Watchers which has been in-progress for 8ish years, this definitely isn't going to be fully cracked in a few days

[silver patio]

I need some relaxing content while I listen to something else. This is my player housing

[fossil pike]

guys, have we tried cracking the code? crack as in loading up ourselves with drugs in order to find this damn code

[open nest]

you're literally new here which means you haven't helped with anything up til now and you're mad you don't have your free mount yet. Go be somewhere else.

[cloud latch]

Couldn't see any hints

[wraith path]

no sh!t happens here

[viral basin]

I love how it took all of a day for people to start bruteforcing

[marble prism]

Decrypting machine from the nature's room doesn't disappear? or its a bug?

[wooden saddle]

Should have pointed out that you need to hearth after reaching that part of the hall... oops my bad

[quasi aurora]

people were trying from the start lol

[teal gate]

Didn't disappear for me as well

[marble prism]

maybe another ode to put in?

[cloud latch]

Haha to be fair, this one is either crazy obvious or an Easter egg of an Easter egg

[stone ledge]

Josh said we walked past it a bunch right? Gotta be an archeologist and start checking every crack, every pebble.

[idle leaf]

Desperate times call for desperate measures.

brute force it.

[fallow hawk]

I don't think 430 machine is part of HATE, but different one. It's the only one that has different model. I think 9th one is outside catacombs

[cloud latch]

Has anyone actually tried archaeology yet)

[jovial walrus]

it was imediate. that whole push the red button 1k times above the door was brute force. theres apparently a proper way.

[drifting sleet]

You mean we aren't all on crack trying to figure this out?

[pure sparrow]

did someone tested the "most used password" list? if you enter 123456 what is place 1 he says something like nice try - maybe it is one of the other often used

[tulip coral]

bruteforcing is just not fun as a secret finder

[unkempt mango]

Well, there's the every time I walk past the stairs the torch lights up, and the torch douses when you reach past the room with the cats?

[ocean topaz]

the impatient people can just buy the mt dew variant. literally nothing to do anymore atm in retail until next patch so this is really fun.

[worn blaze]

[fossil pike]

you're right

[viral basin]

So damn

[stone ledge]

But the green one may fly

[viral basin]

[pure sparrow]

ok ^^ thats why i asked

[signal crater]

did the machines from the promotion we had back in DF for the mobile game had the same look?

[sour jackal]

no

[idle leaf]

But the green one looks better

:(

[tidal shell]

I'll do the insane thing and start on a brute force code Crack of the 1,111,111,110 possible combination when I get off work. Pray for my insanity.

[quasi aurora]

was the "you all walk right past it" a real hint? If there was ever any official josh hints, those should logically take the most importance

[cloud latch]

We've had confirmation on 418 being the teapot, but honestly I went down the rabbit hole on that one and came up holding my head to stop my brains leaking out

[lapis anchor]

have you tried the authenticator? lol

[open nest]

he said that's an easter egg

[drifting sleet]

Im starting to think the secret password numbers are either an setting or something to decrypt the lovingly written note

[grim locust]

just login back on. We still at 8/9 hate?

[open nest]

the teapot thing is an easter egg for fun numbers

[wicked wasp]

shakes authenticator Ask again later.

[cloud latch]

He's said no hints allowed so far, so I'd say it's fairly unlikely

[polar marlin]

He said its the easter egg response, easter eggs are usually not clues :c

[quasi aurora]

gotcha

[silver patio]

So far we have a

• Pop culture reference
• Item ID
• Coords (Without detective toy)
• Coords (With detective toy)
• Zone ID
• juggling pattern (idk what this is)
• Number of things some places
• Slot machine victory

Soooo I don't think we're going for any of these again.

[golden cape]

I've genuinely been starting to wonder this myself. How defeated would we all feel if we solve 430 and its little orb goes to a different altar

[cloud latch]

Yeah, I think you might be right there, especially as all machines respond this way

[open nest]

he meant that like several of us have been very close and walked right passed solving it

[vague flare]

the runes that pop up when putting in #s are now more visible

[limber plank]

It can't be a decrypt because we didn't have access to the secret number password until we had the key from Orb 2

[unborn tiger]

"Oh yeah. Watching some of you go past it felt like watching two race cars about to be in a head on collision and narrowly missing"

[sour jackal]

they were always pretty visible for me

[thorny bramble]

something about katy perry “hot and cold”

[quasi aurora]

see these should be key

[open nest]

that was a joke

[fading monolith]

https://tenor.com/view/ghost-rider-gif-22067936

nah, everybody is riding already

[vague flare]

not for me, in fact, they werent visible at all. potentially a bug that was fixed.

[unkempt mango]

What if it's the crashin thrashin car?

[stiff depot]

Josh is that you? 😂

[quasi aurora]

as in if we are already close... its gotta be something we are already keen to

[drifting sleet]

Why can't it? Can't clue tie into other rooms and we are made to go back?

[idle leaf]

Id be hella defeated if 430 room orb goes to another pedistal.

[limber plank]

I think "watching you go past it" could be figurative speaking as much as literal so we shouldn't put too much weight on it

[cloud latch]

I'd say that's likely too, but you never know

[stiff depot]

They deliver in one day

[summer hazel]

617632?

[unborn tiger]

my guess is someone got real close to cracking the cipher but were using A=1 B=2, or they were trying to use the right cipher but were working with the wrong bits of info in the wrong spots

[wicked wasp]

The camera that observes you is watching you go past it.

[quasi aurora]

i know i mean more that if hes responding and saying we SHOULD be able to figure it out is telling

[inner raft]

bout to strangle the code out of them

[vocal glade]

Do the colors of the numbers that pop up when you enter a code mean anything

[fervent umbra]

Testing a theory with the Polybius cipher, that's shaped like the tile grid, but I'm at work.
Can somebody try 421445 please?

[noble pecan]

https://tenor.com/view/mitskidiamandis-homer-gif-22246587

[cloud latch]

this is just the beginning of the pain too 😂

[silver patio]

This Earthen has found his new purpose

[main sage]

Nothing in hour of twilight

[fervent umbra]

Thanks for trying

[unborn tiger]

have you made it to the archivist? thank you for doing that btw~

[mint pollen]

tried it

[brave coral]

Yea I just checked, nothing

[inner raft]

"my designation is to perform the rite of percussive maintenance on Ratts until they start working and give us the answers"

[mint pollen]

tried it also, did not work

[wet cave]

Has anyone been inside either mogu Shan vaults or palace?

[stone ledge]

Gonna try looking at the number of items/specific items on the spiral staircase when I get home.

[silver patio]

Try "whosyourdaddy" or "greedisgood"

[full crane]

@silver patio Another idea I had was that the "478" part is a number based on the tiles present within the room

4 changing tiles
7 purely fire tiles
8 purely thunder tiles

Obviously for us it would always convert to only Fire and thunder tiles afterward.
Since you have 19 tiles, there is always one that will give a double digit.

[brave coral]

I don't think this is relevant but since the goggles can be used outside, did anyone try and go use them on different places, or if someone has any ideas I can go and check some of them?

[gaunt sentinel]

We're back to tile theory arent we

[tame bison]

Just under the stairs on the rock pile (-2,1 from entry) is 1039. Also, last night (12am Central US) there was a 7 at (-2,7, from entry, behind 2nd locked watcher), but came in this morning and it is gone. 🧐 😵

[stone ledge]

Portal room

[full crane]

Every secret is a way to return to tiles

[hidden seal]

used the goggles in the real world and saw my dad coming back with that gallon of milk

[near hearth]

there is a missing tile near the machine that is not working, maybe we need to take that one into account?

[fallow hawk]

What was the Ratts password?

[unkempt mango]

Wasn't there an image of the dark portal on the floor in front of the tiles?

[quasi aurora]

any ideas if there are any other duplicate notes (numbers) other than the 2 notes that have "80" on them?

[pure sparrow]

466478

[stone ledge]

Torch reveals a new portal for Ratts' hideout. Maybe the goggles reveal a different portal that we walk by often.

[silver patio]

I think you're onto something and that the password could be personal!
The note on the floor in a room with personalized bricks on the floor, has a "personal password". It could just be keeping track of the personal password they were given while in there, if I try to look at it as a clue

[glacial garnet]

466478

[prime sand]

1525

[craggy shoal]

Anyone scouted terokkar forest at all? Or should i dig deeper in this rabbithold i find myself in... ?

[mystic sun]

Which rabbit hole is that?

[silver patio]

Yeah what happened now? Terokkar?

[wraith path]

wowpedia return zone ids 6503 and 11410 for Guo-lai Vault room

[full crane]

Maybe, but it was removed for a reason, I imagine

[mint pollen]

the picture resembles the archways near the felbike

[fervent umbra]

Okay one last try from the cipher before I just come back to it when I'm off work:

242515

[silver patio]

I really liked the theory someone had about it being the "zeroth" lol.

[craggy shoal]

466 > WMAID of outland 478 > WMAID for terokkar. Makes no sense but we lost the plot so why not
(466478)

[unkempt mango]

I think the floor changed in this room. I think there was a portrait of the dark portal (just a couple lonely papers on the floor) instead today, there's a big pile of crap in the same place.

[dull ridge]

you get your booty into Room 430 and figure this out

[hazy moon]

Afaik the floor tiles were being paired with the Zeroth number theory when he said that but idk

[vague flare]

nope

[fervent umbra]

Thank you!

[noble pecan]

Guys look. I've already solved it.

[main sage]

Anyone know where WoD Stanley is?https://www.wowhead.com/npc=84579/stanley

[small carbon]

so, i had a thought about this. The book is labelled "the hidden zeroth letter of the alphabet" - if you look around the room, there are many many T shapes (at least one in each corner) and the note starts with "How many years has it been", which its been 20 and T is the 20th letter of the alphabet. Trying to decode the notes you can only see with goggles on gave me ZAX (makes no sense) and IVY. There's a battle pet named IVY which you get by rescuing her from the flames when battling Larodar

[wooden saddle]

In fact, thinking that 466478 is Ratt's personal password, and we each have our own, is an interesting new clue to follow

[craggy shoal]

(also most of the items in the room are from tbc so why not). Im gonna checkout entirety of the zone with the glasses on... sigh..

[tame condor]

Zaxby's, everyone go buy a 6 piece

[silver patio]

But if we're going by zeroth it would be another number/letter

[marble prism]

Maybe we gonna get a clue in the Guest relation of today lol

[short elm]

patch notes for 4.3.0

[silver patio]

I bet 2 silver at least one of these notes is just lore meaning nothing

[short elm]

https://www.wowhead.com/patchnotes=4.3.0

[mortal crater]

chapter 4 of the questline is out now

[hollow wind]

Does the cube symbols mean anything?

[wicked wasp]

Well, the cap rewarded for it has a red blinking light like the alarm in the lair.

[quasi aurora]

i just found out that you dont actually trigger the tiles if you are invisible (with potion) by accident

[silver patio]

😮 That means the pimped out detective helmet!

[scenic sorrel]

got bright ideas thinking cap and high-alert thinking cap

[left dagger]

It's the same as the Memory Cube Toy.

[dull ridge]

or a decoder ring, haha

[silver patio]

ALSO if you use the Eye of N'Znoth you can still see while having the invisibtislbity potion. That or those glasses for the passwords, i'm not sure, i used both

[mystic sun]

? im pretty sure i died to them while invisble multime times yesterday

[cloud latch]

ngl it's kinda funny that there's no chest near the machine (unless it's the big book maybe)

[silver patio]

There is. On the table

[sour jackal]

I have the goggles up and the potion still blacks out my screen. I don't think the potion is relevant since we aren't guaranteed to have one in our instance.

[craggy shoal]

Can someone try 3519 real quick?

[quasi aurora]

i walked through the tiles and only died when vision came back and then i blew up from 100% hp

[silver patio]

I agree. At most they're a hint to what we need to buy later

[sour jackal]

unless the number of types of potions that spawned are part of a code specific to our instance

[mint pollen]

did not work

[cloud latch]

possibly, yeah, although that also says encrypted similar to the machine next to the ogre head. Can't really be sure yet

[brave coral]

The idea of the password being personal is interesting but it's quite recent right? Josh said people were close yesterday but I don't think anyone mentioned an idea similar to this

[open nest]

me. several times

[silver patio]

Can you guys not solve it in the next 30 minutes? I want to be there when it happens

[brave coral]

Ah alright, nvm then, sorry

[small carbon]

alternative fun fact, there is the number 7 on the book right next to the letter T on the big book - if you make T the seventh letter (so that N is the zeroth letter), then the 1172 clue spells "YUP"

[wooden saddle]

That is indeed true, but we've been looking at how tiles are different per people as well. But your argument is quite strong 😄

[quasi aurora]

^ which would also make sense if this enigma machine stuff is a hint...

[silver patio]

People were talking aobut personal passwords very early on tbh

[mortal crater]

any idea on what the sealed cube is?

[small carbon]

the two hidden clues then make these anagrams
SPROUTS
STUPORS
TUMORS

[inner raft]

I have decided I've hit too many walls and I'm gonna wait for Josh before trying anything

I feel it's the enigma machine

but IDK how to get past it

[finite zealot]

what things we did discuss so far to be close?

I have been thinking. can we try and do a list of all the things that exist on the room. interactible or not.

[vocal glade]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-mind-enigma-spilled-milk-gif-14172730

[tame condor]

Thanks for trying Gazlowe with me!

[inner raft]

a few of us think it's the enigma machine

[silver patio]

Still feel like it's tied to Korthia or Zereth Mortis, BUT I didn't play Shadowlands (due to a bad laptop, I'm not a hater) so I don't understand those zones at all

[prime sand]

the shared letters being TOURS

[inner raft]

given the room's full of tiles, and the missing tile is next to it

[unkempt mango]

Is there a pile of crap on the floor in front of the tiles for anyone else?

[stable raven]

what if the "hidden letter of zeroth" is A for azeroth?

[inner raft]

np I'm happy to try out leads

[finite zealot]

can you elaborate?

[quasi aurora]

We should have a document with every single piece of interactable items for the whole instance and what each of them does/has been used for

[silver patio]

There is one in pinned, kinda

[inner raft]

the note on the machine also appeared as we progressed, so I feel it showing up is the dungeon telling us "it's here"

[quasi aurora]

the numbers one right?

[frank ledge]

Reminder: your theory should work in all languages and not only English

[quasi aurora]

we need that for like... potions and statues and all that... lots will probably be "unknown" but some will already have been tied to other stuff

[finite zealot]

im dont mean the pebbles. I mean all the staffs, books etc. counting them and what is the closest thing that is in game

[pastel token]

Would lead to Anullte in german, which makes no sense at all, so i doubt it

[wooden saddle]

Shot in the dark, can someone try 233550, Ratt's game id in anniversary. Shouldn't be + what Josh said, but worth a try

[wicked wasp]

types the number A BUZZZZZ

[finite zealot]

it can be literally the number of items in the room

[silver patio]

I bought every pebble i could find in the AH, as well as the throwable one from Dalaran. Some of them were named like... "unique pebble" or something, but none of the pebbles in the dungeon reacted or got envious

[brave coral]

If it's the Enigma machine that is similar to the actual enigma machine how would it work with digits since the rotors and the ecnryption/decr works on plaintext? if someone already talked about it i would like to check it out

[wooden saddle]

Thx anyway 🙂

[sour jackal]

I still kinda think the enigma machine's note of "out of order" might relate to the actual order of what we are looking for

[vocal glade]

Aiet so what if it's the ID of XT-002 Deconstructor since Ratts' Journal 115 talks about "the love of play" and that robot is "ready to play" lmao

[mint pollen]

did not work

[viral basin]

Are we playing WoW or Halo with the amount of Reach in some of this

[brittle epoch]

https://www.wowhead.com/spell=120322/flame-spout - Fire tile, and https://www.wowhead.com/spell=123798/ - Lightning tile, both are from MoP. However, the last damage you take in the room from the decryption machine is https://www.wowhead.com/spell=250460/cloud-tile (triggered by typing: 1234567890), which was added in BFA. Not sure if someone smarter than me can make use of this information for something.

[inner raft]

lemme grab stuff about the machine and we can maybe check on that

[silver patio]

Are there any
• Noteworthy WoW-related things that broke 20 years ago?
• Some kind of system that is still present in game but hasn't been enabled since classic?
• Did it break DURING Vanilla or in the lore before?

[quasi aurora]

Also... anyone else curious about whats under the tiles?

[brave coral]

Thanks

[quasi aurora]

prob nothing but looks like something under there

[limber plank]

I get the feeling if we have a certain item in our inventory, we might get a different dialogue option here,

[brave coral]

Did anyone try the Kirin Tor Enigma puzzle world quest?

[sleek tangle]

just a quick question if anyone else thought of this

[small carbon]

A related cipher to Enigma is Vigenère cipher which uses a zero-based rotating cipher. it wouldn't surprise me if this is meant to be used to decode the first orb clue from the Lovelying Handcrafted Note?

[vague flare]

have we already checked the punchcard machines or other machines in gnomeragan?

[pastel token]

as seen from outside, while inside you even see a small part of the carpet

[wooden saddle]

Tried with Neltharion's repair box, sadly didn't work, just FYI

[bitter ivy]

It's a rug, a SS of it popped up b4

[small carbon]

but then it wouldn't be related to the third orb

[opal edge]

This seems to be a "mirror" of somewhere else. And its the only device left that probably gives you the 9th coin

[inner raft]

the model of the enigma machine is high res so it's not possibly referencing something new

[silver patio]

To me it seems like that, or some dialogue enabled from dialogue with someone else. That's what usually happens. You talk to someone and theyre like "oh yeah you better back that up, buddy!" but you don't have the option until you get the answer from another NPC. That's very common

[cloud latch]

we respect your nomination to be the person that tries out all our crackpot theories on that device, too XD

[silver patio]

So lets talk to every engineer of all time

[opal edge]

oh mince...

[robust latch]

anyone inspected zul'farak ?

[main sage]

Checked out the Stanley NPC in Nazjatar and the vendor it follows... nothing

[silver patio]

Yeah I found a bunch of trolls there

[inner raft]

I'm thinking, it says it hasn't worked in 20 years so we need something or somebody from 20 years ago who could have made it

it looks gnomish

[wicked wasp]

It looks mechagnomish.

[inner raft]

yeah, but they weren't around 20 years ago

[silver patio]

I have been to every inch of Gnomeregan. Nothing. Someone else tried Mechagon.
We haven't tried the other gnome hubs (northrend, outland, way too few places)

[wicked wasp]

They were, but we hadn't found them yet.

[wraith path]

door 430 five times , hum 430 and 5

[sour jackal]

I mentioned mechagon and operation: mechagon's workshop the other day but didn't get time to go look

[radiant isle]

I checked mechagon out earlier today. Didn't find anything of note

[brave forge]

I agree probably not one of those, but I feel like it would also be similarly difficult hmm

[hybrid forge]

gnomer?

[inner raft]

the broken stealth device might be of note

[silver patio]

Oh, I didn't actually use the punching cards but i clicked all of them

[sour jackal]

I feel like that's for bypassing the alarm later on

[shy mauve]

ive tried repairing the machine with repair kits and emergency repair kits, nothing

[inner raft]

yeah probably

[vague flare]

if we needed to go back 20 years, who would we talk to? Chromie?

[open nest]

nah we're teleporting passed that with the item we buy with pieces of hate

it ports you to attuned crystals

[silver patio]

That's how I feel as well. It will be in the same lane as these. "Find a number tied to some place" rather than doing the most advanced math ever

[radiant isle]

Tried repairing the broken cloak device next to the broken machine?

[pure belfry]

I checked this in Tomb of Sargeras today, where you fight Kil'Jaeden there is the same floor. But nothing here with the goggles ON (in LFR).
Pretty sure there is other places with this floor related to the Legion and the Mo'arg, this little Ratts seems very fan of 'em.
I've tried to talk to Sal'salabim in Shattrath, he is a Mo'arg but he didn't say nothing.

There is a list of notable Mo'arg.

[open nest]

so like a big blink, there's another inside the gated room behind it

[silver patio]

I've said hi to all of them

[shy mauve]

just the engima machine

[sour jackal]

ah I hadn't seen the tooltip of that item. Well it rules out the platform in Ratts' Azj-kahet cave for the time being then.

[vocal glade]

So can we safely assume the solution is in the 430 room and not upstairs because we get the 9th piece of hate we need to go buy the item from the vendor in booty bay to teleport past the alarm doorway in room 430?

[inner raft]

cracked theory: the piece is inside of tock

we have to kill him

[silver patio]

Oui. Every solution has been google-able or tied to the actual dungeon. Never had to leave to find something

[cloud latch]

can't be sure yet, unfortunately

[radiant isle]

Can we even access Tock?

[prime sand]

has anyone used the bottle of steam inside the catacombs?

[brave forge]

Haha right xD Hard to know..

[unkempt mango]

Milo was just outside the cage sleeping and I could pet him. I feel as if I've accomplished something today.

[ruby wigeon]

has anyone explored gnomergan (not the dungeon)

[unborn venture]

Taking a step back, if we think about the other coins and how we got them, we are missing the 5th one and all of the answers for the coins were inside(besides feeling lucky i guess). So 5th one's answer should be inside the catacombs too or should be solvable with an item/toy etc. Not sure if we need to visit some place. Or rearrange the numbers on the notes on the floor(because there are numbers upstairs too which will probably be used later). Unless they are room/floor specific. We also need to think about the story behind catacombs(dark riders etc. since the items are from their time)

[silver patio]

Me

[limber plank]

This isn't true! One of the codes required going out the dungeon to count numbers of animals etc

[silver patio]

You can google that!

But fair enough

Can someone go ask Moira's son for help? i'm sure he'd love to join

[woven wasp]

Curious if anyone's explored this, the decryption device is sitting there and in the fire breathing room there is an interactive "Enigmatic Decrypting Device". Maybe that thing spits out the correct code somehow?

[unkempt mango]

Nope

[vocal glade]

I mean Josh said we ran past the solution multiple times?

[rose relic]

Using a Caesar Cipher decoder, I was able to decrypt the message as follows:
SGHO EIUII ABD MOO NK GHNM, EDNY, DL LLSE
becomes:
HELLO FRIENDS I AM OK NOW, THANK, YOU

[stiff warren]

Someone already notice this ? (start with 0)

[silver patio]

It shares the exact same model, name, and ID as an item in Korthia.
Here, there is also something called the Cipher of UNderstanding which sounds interesting.

Point is, I think it is likely tied to Korthia, but I don't understand the zone enough to properly explore

[sleek bloom]

He said we specifically "ran past"

[timber falcon]

well the missing tile is on the wall with a not that says 80 beneath it

[cloud latch]

not interactable with yet though, so I suspect it's one of those anti-brute-force things where it'll activate once we're up to it

[unkempt mango]

I wonder if it's where the torch lights on the stairwell, with the alarm, ....

[scenic sorrel]

I mentioned this earlier

[wooden saddle]

Wtf, 1st : this lead to Mankrik, we got that from Chinese translation, 2nd : just how, which key ? Doesn't seem to make sense

[vocal glade]

ran past. Timerunning. Pandaria Remix.

[zinc pivot]

the tiles change so hard to decide what they mean

[wraith path]

everyone doesn't have the same

[woven wasp]

I'm thinking the Enigmatic decryption device activates using an item or something near it, and that item could be related to the other ones in the room?

[silver patio]

I stood still for a long time. Johs said ran past 'many' times. So it must be something nearby.
The fire monkey!

[timber falcon]

also we get notes we can only see numbers with when wearing goggles

[sleek bloom]

I was literally thinking the monkey has to be key

[honest radish]

has anyone tried to run to the broken machine/loose fire tile while having the flame buff?

[silver patio]

It's NOT just there to be annoying

[brave coral]

Ok Josh relax

[covert breach]

And that it was like watching two race cars in a head-on collision

[finite zealot]

did anyone went to throne of thunder?

[sleek bloom]

What is the flavor text of the debuff the monkey gives?

[junior sparrow]

what about the green mask with the "here" sign is that used for something?

[prime valve]

I wonder if it's the note regarding the Mo'arg, Im hunting down engineers in Draenor as mentioned in the note. Maybe the bike's creator left a clue before Mechanar

[honest radish]

Yeah what about monkey debuff and run to the broken machine/fire tile?

[open nest]

our problem is we don't know what IS and isn't a clue to solve it

[bitter bane]

"Burning with Intrigue"

[radiant isle]

Cleared it. Didn't find anything interesting

[cloud latch]

I believe mechanar has been checked out, can't confirm though

[vale glade]

'Ran Past' can mean a place everyone that has acess do Kara Dun needed to pass First. Maybe It IS Ratts' void Room and not Room 430.

[finite perch]

"Burning with intrigue" unless you have the potion of emotions, then it is "Burning with curiosity"

[vocal glade]

Curiousity killed the cat

[inner raft]

but satisfaction brought it back.

[regal ruin]

Tried burning the cats with the debuff but didnt work for me

[silver patio]

Genius! Lets put the cat room on fire!

[jaunty rain]

I got to 92 stacks, nothing happened

[sleek bloom]

Please look into this!

[regal ruin]

They didn't take any damage when I tried

[bitter bane]

Just did it, and nothing happened >: just more fire on my already flaming body.

[prime sand]

Bottle of steam does nothing anywhere

[primal skiff]

still no code? omg lol i was hoping it would be done.

[tardy badger]

Any luck yet with 430?

[silver patio]

I have a feeling part of the solution isn't to kill innocent cats

[vocal glade]

The item at the anniversary that lets you turn into a battle pet...

[jovial walrus]

weird flex

[unborn tiger]

have you not all done this accidentally at least once lol

[junior sparrow]

mmo champion shows what the rooms looked like prior to this event

[vocal glade]

It's to turn ourselves into a cat and jump into the fire

[brave coral]

We are pretty much running in circles

[silver patio]

Light yourself on fire and go /meow /purr

[wooden saddle]

Damn didnt know that, this must be saved somewhere (probs later but always something9

[bitter bane]

[radiant isle]

cycles of haaaaate

[primal skiff]

I bet 😦 I had to log yesterday i was going insane. guess ill jump back in and try

[wicked wasp]

"Turning in circles" is exactly what Ratts' letter says we should do to get the solution.

[unkempt mango]

Yeah, off to run the other guest stuff because I can't anymore.

[unborn tiger]

everyone should be researching ciphers and trying things with 466478/FIRED/heroes/20/twenty/note numbers

[violet seal]

Circular staircase?

[quasi aurora]

so the note under the missing tile is 80... the other 80 note is in the cat room. anything to this?

[woven wasp]

Has the Mechanar been beat to death? We have ran past the untitled journal a hundred times

[limber plank]

Yes I'm actually pretty certain we're missing some cipher based solution rather than an object or interaction in-game. With this many people trying, we'd have stumbled upon something by now

[radiant isle]

Nothing's changed about the hatch since we found it

[quasi aurora]

most likley\

[vocal glade]

cypher of the first ones? lol

[cloud latch]

I believe the only thing found was the secret hatch found earlier for the key step (I think)

[brave coral]

Does anyone have a list of numbers that are supposed to be clues? I wonna go over them again

[open nest]

i meant for this puzzle

[quasi aurora]

its pinned

[silver patio]

Didn't Josh say we skipped two parts? The love letter in english and something else. Or was that not relevant

[pure belfry]

We've search for LOVE for the first one, we PRAY for the second one, what to we do / search with that HATE ? 🙂

[silver patio]

Samurai Jack?

[regal ruin]

But it does say whatever was there is no longer there and its possible we need the goggles in a new location hinted at with these rooms or objects and input ratts secret code to gain access? Maybe someones been running past this spot which is what Josh meant. But Im just spitballing.

[inner raft]

my icon is

[finite zealot]

can it be 19363

[viral basin]

The other thing was the 'no violence' note, but that got solved

[inner raft]

https://tenor.com/view/aku-scaramouche-cartoon-devil-dance-gif-8635549

[quasi aurora]

/mad? lol

[vale glade]

Is there a toy that can copy the appearance of a npc?

[vocal glade]

https://tenor.com/view/extra-thicc-aku-gif-13935596

[timber falcon]

im gonna rage against the machine

[robust latch]

what is the id of first wow patch ?

[mystic sun]

it was?

[honest radish]

im assuming yes but we've put the password in the other console too right?

[woven wasp]

Do you think maybe the answer could be in Classic instead? Or have they been specifically ruling out classic servers

[cloud latch]

I'd be very suprised if it was in a different client, tbh

[little osprey]

i figured out what to do

[primal skiff]

factssss i alt f4 last night lol

[craggy glade]

What's the ID number for this stupid thing

[north saddle]

I bought the red bike instead, problem solved

[quasi aurora]

So what was the "you are being observed" debuff that appears when nearing the gate for the humming crystal room?

[bitter bane]

i thought with all the pandaria themed tiles and it being -hate- maybe sha of anger but no luck on my end. I am potato brain in the morning.

[cloud latch]

no idea yet, i'd assume its to do with the broken stealth device

[woven wasp]

Isn't there a sha of hatred though?

[marble prism]

josh watching us

[dire prawn]

Since there is the Mage T2 set in that room with the helm backwards anyone tried the item ID of that Helm: 16914

[wet cave]

Anything to do with the explosive trap that makes you take increased damage?

Or the potions that do different things?

[craggy shoal]

Its t6, and yes, and ive tried it backwards too etc

[boreal moss]

didnt see anything those tiles related there

[hazy moon]

There is a sha of hatred in townlong steppes for a quest

[cloud latch]

I believe so yeah, or at least the version in Dal

[brittle drift]

Try it backwards :p

[dire prawn]

ahh ok thought it was T2 Not a Mage Player... Thanks for trying them all!

[wet cave]

Oooo yes try the id backwards

[minor stream]

its T6

[craggy glade]

just did, nothing

[fervent umbra]

Hate in the Polybius cipher is 32114451, still at work if anyone wants to try it

[bitter bane]

ye i tried both anger and hatred id codes and their display id's too as well as starting them with a 0 just incase >.>

[unkempt hollow]

Just thinking how even after we get this 9th coin, we need to find the muffin still *internal screaming

[unborn tiger]

could you do "heroes" and "fired" and tell us those numbers please?

[glacial notch]

also maybe "twenty"?

[craggy glade]

THe answer must be somewhere in the endless numbers of Pi.

[quasi aurora]

is this old?

[limber plank]

There's a chance the muffin is also in the box #copium

[quasi aurora]

is this old?

ok

figured

[somber crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/keep-goin-gif-6704079567258296337

im just sitting outside the cat door waiting for yall to find the code

[craggy glade]

at this point EVERYTHING is old....

[wooden saddle]

Haha you just want the cats 😄

[bitter badger]

me in the 430 room for 12+ hours

[glacial notch]

angry / sad face on top

[limber plank]

Whatever this code is, it's either WAY more complex than the other pads, or we're just missing something quite simple

[quasi aurora]

old but still unsolved right?

as far as the watcher statue

[craggy glade]

Yeah

[main sage]

Stanley NPC has unique glasses model, cant find it anywhere

[bitter bane]

every time we try a new number and i feel sad inside i grab my toaster and jump on the tiles for the sweet demise.

[sleek bloom]

The latter probably

[polar owl]

Omg my phone kept insisting I didn’t want to see the most recent comments….
From the rest of the solved for machines, I think it’s safe to say the solution should be inside this instance, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t require outside knowledge

[olive bough]

na, it's the Zeroth Ones now

[woven wasp]

I think if we were missing something simple we would have gotten it within the last day and a half

[wooden saddle]

Wait this could be something ? Like Yellow tiles being number or Red tiles being numbers ?

[fervent umbra]

Any word longer than 4 letters would result in a digit code longer than 9. It's two numerical digits per letter.

But just for fun:
Hero = 32512443
Heroes = 325124435134
Fire = 12422451
Fired = 1242245141

[jaunty rain]

not sure if its old or new

[limber plank]

Well, I think we're actually hyper focusing on a few directions and not considering others at all

[silver geyser]

I am calling this Binary thing thoroughly tested. Nothing worked.
I'm going back to looking for pebbles.
Life of a Pebble-man.

[livid swallow]

Josh has already said we've walked past something and that we are looking way too much into it. according to the theory craft chat

[quasi aurora]

so this doesnt mean anything?

[radiant isle]

No

[limber plank]

Not yet anyway I expect

[olive bough]

not yet. until we dont know what to do to solve this puzzle its worthless

[quasi aurora]

im thinking we are tunneling way to hard

on 430

[sleek bloom]

How do you access this?

[sly pelican]

as a over-thinker he's asking too much of me

[polar owl]

I mean it’s possible people are over thinking and it’s probably not super obtuse

[quasi aurora]

i pulled watcher statue in front of humming door

then clicked on arcane device

[sleek inlet]

I think the issue is there are too many lines to follow, so the attention is dispersed

[brave coral]

How are we not gonna tunnel when this was one of the machines

[olive bough]

I've tried to look at the table where the note said that its in front of our eyes , I just numbered the items there but to no avail

[sleek bloom]

Ah okay been wondering

[polar owl]

This is true

[mystic sun]

I really do hope it’s super obvious and we are in fact (as the note says) blind

[craggy glade]

HOnestly, i can't tell whether we can take anything he says at face value, or at deeper value, OR AT ALL because according to various people here its apparently stupid to think he'd give us a hint or a clue or SOMETHING.

[olive bough]

because the flavor text specifically say that its under our very eyes

[vague zodiac]

i dont suppose he was being literal with "walked past" and its just something on the way to room 430?

[quasi aurora]

i mean more that maybe we are not doing something that is key