questions-2

[nimble viper]

zB Ich habe das tun können, was ich immer tun wollte

I would only read that as ^ I have always been able to do what I wanted

[plain umbra]

As far as I know, Präteritum and Perfekt have simply the same meaning. The only difference is context of when you use them, e.g. speaking vs writing, or different regions of Germany.

Sometimes you will even have a native speaker that says they interpret one tense one way and the other tense the other way, but it's just a personal interpretation that's not a standard part of the language. Or at least, I've never seen otherwise.

It varies too much by region for it to be standard.

[nimble viper]

Sure. Thanks Base. One question just for you specifically though,

How come you can explain these things so well if you only see yourself as Level B?

I feel like you know too much

[plain umbra]

I know a lot about grammar topics but I don't have much time to practice speaking and listening, and especially vocab, which are key skills for going from Level B to Level C.

[nimble viper]

I'm sure you'll get there long before me, that's for sure. 👍

[plain umbra]

Just depends which of us puts the most time in. 😄

[nimble viper]

I am equally as ... not proficient? Don't even know how to say it in english 😦 in every area 😂

At least I can call myself an 'all rounder' hey. But anyways, thanks for the clarification, wir sehen uns 👋

[mental jetty]

Which one should I use in this sentence? geben oder schenken?

Du solltest deiner Freundin das Geschenk ___.

[long whale]

In principle, you could use both/either. However, we try hard to avoid combinations like "Essen essen" or "Geschenke schenken". ;)

[mental jetty]

So geben it is?

What word could be replaced for "essen" if for example, "They are eating food"?

[long whale]

And what else would they be eating, if not food? You'd just say "They are eating something". :)

[mental jetty]

Sie essen etwas?

[long whale]

Exactly. :)

[mental jetty]

Thank you

[mental jetty]

Sein Haus ist groß

Ist der Genitiv oder Nominativ?

[plain umbra]

In this sentence you have nominative only.

[mental jetty]

Ohhh, ok

[plain umbra]

The subject of a sentence is always nominative.

I hope that's helpful for you.

[mental jetty]

Ohhh

Danke

Das Haustier meiner Mitbewohnerin ist sehr groß

Can I use Mitbewohner or it should always be Mitbewohnerin?

[delicate tiger]

is your Mitbewohner male or female (-in)

[long whale]

If it's a person and it ends in -in, it's a woman. :)

[mental jetty]

Male

[mental jetty]

Does the "meiner" change too?

[long whale]

Of course.

[mental jetty]

What is the male counterpart of meiner?

[long whale]

Check endings table for "ein-" :)

[mental jetty]

Meines?

[long whale]

And what about the flatmate's ending? ;)

[mental jetty]

Das Haustier meines Mitbewohner ist sehr groß

Is this correct?

[long whale]

"meines" is fine. But what happens to "Mitbewohner" in Genitiv singular?

[mental jetty]

There's an es or s

Mitebewohneres/s?

[long whale]

Just -s

[mental jetty]

Oh ok

Das Haustier meines Mitbewohners ist sehr groß

[mental jetty]

Is this correct?

[long whale]

Yes.

[mental jetty]

Thank you so much

[sweet goblet]

Frau Bronkhorst braucht ihre rechnung weil sie dringend nach Paris fliegen muss. Sein Flug geht schon in einhalb Stunde. Sie muss geben die Zimmerschlussel zum Zimmer 510 an. Is this correct?

[long whale]

No. There are quite a few problems: check the possessive for a woman; check word order after "weil"; check spelling for "to fly"; check whether it's in half an hour or in one and a half hours. The infinitive after a modal verb comes last. :)

[sweet goblet]

how about now?

[delicate tiger]

"Frau Bronkhorst braucht ihre ||Rechnung||, weil sie dringend nach Paris fliegen muss. ||Ihr ||Flug geht schon in ||eineinhalb ||Stunden." Try it yourself before checking the spoilers

no idea what the last sentence is supposed to mean

[celest pollen]

Dann muss man sich was zu essen kaufen | „sich” Here is a reflexive or what ?

[undone verge]

it is a reflexive pronoun.

you buy yourself something to eat

[upper ember]

sich ist immer ein reflexives Pronomen, hat keine andere Funktion....

in deinem Satz könnte mans weglassen, aber es hört sich besser an, wenns im Satz steht (für mich)

[half falcon]

is Ich kann nichts dafür an idiomatic expression?

what does it mean?

[upper lynx]

Commonly used phrase. Means something like "I did nothing to cause this", basically "Not my fault"

[half falcon]

oh, understood

thanks, man

[swift bough]

I understand it as "I can't help it" as well

[upper lynx]

Yeah that translation makes even more sense I guess

[last bolt]

What is the opposite word to anfangen?

[swift bough]

it is sadly heavily context dependent.....but you could say beenden, enden, abschließen, stoppen, aufhören

if you have a certain context you are thinking of, post that here too and I can say which one makes most sense

[last bolt]

I dont have a context i was just reading a german text ,saw anfangen and got curious what its opposite was

[rare jetty]

beenden (to end)

[mental jetty]

What is the difference of Saufen and Trinken?

[fervent kernel]

saufen is the very fast and not so clean drink but it is more commonly used as a word for drinking alcohol. so when you talk to your boss don't say saufen

[mental jetty]

So, if I'm running while drinking, I should say "Ich laufe und saufe"?

Or it should be "Ich laufe und trinke"?

[fervent kernel]

Both are possible but if you say saufen then others will assume that you drink alcohol

and if you talk to people you don't know or just a little i would say trinken

[long whale]

saufen is quite colloquial/slang-y, and you'd use it for "getting drunk" :)

[lone storm]

Can someone please help me come up with an example for each of these plural formation patterns? I've got anki cards for each and I'd like to put an example on the back to remember instead of trying to remember it abstractly. I know these rules aren't absolute btw but apparently they should still be useful.

Masculine -e -> -en         Masculine -ig -> -ige
Masculine -and -> -anden    Masculine -ich -> iche
Masculine -ant -> -anten    -um -> -en
Masculine -or -> -oren      -us -> -en
Feminine -e -> -en          Masculine -ör -> öre
Feminine -ion -> -ionen     Masculine -ich -> -iche
Feminine -keit -> -keiten   Masculine -eur -> -eure
Masculine -ling -> -linge   Masculine -ier -> -iere
Neuter -lein -> -lein       Mascuine -en -> -en

(The source I learned these from has other patterns but I already have examples for them)

[fervent kernel]

naa du kannst auch ne cooler weg saufen

[undone verge]

der Löwe, die Löwen
der Doktorand, die Doktoranden
der Praktikant, die Praktikanten
der Doktor, die Doktoren
die Blume, die Blumen
die Nation, die Nationen
die Wahrscheinlichkeit, die Wahrscheinlichkeiten
der Schmetterling, die Schmetterlinge
das Büchlein, die Büchlein (you must've meant neutral)

[lone storm]

yes I meant neuter thank you very much!

[undone verge]

der Honig, die Honige
das Studium, die Studien
der Strich, die Striche
das Papier, die Papiere (neutral?)

the rest nothing's falling into my head except things that don't match

[long whale]

What's still missing?

[undone verge]

-ich-->-ige
-us-->-en
-ör-->öre
-euer --> -euere
-en --> -en
(all masculine)

[long whale]

der Frisör, die Frisöre ?

[lone storm]

oh would -ich go to -ige and not -iche?

oh I mistyped it

sorry

[long whale]

Well, since neither of us can even come up with an example... :D

[lone storm]

it should go to -iche right?

[long whale]

Even then, I can only think of "der Kranich, die Kraniche" (crane, as in: large water bird)

[undone verge]

der Strich die Striche was all that popped to my head

[lone storm]

they are both good!

thank you both very much

[long whale]

Yeah, some of those endings... I'm not sure those rules are really useful, if we both have such trouble coming up with examples. 🤷

[lone storm]

oh I guess -ör -> -öre would be a remnant of French loanwords originally spelled -eur?

[long whale]

Yeah, and it's this alternative spelling I use.

der Friseur, die Friseure

[plain umbra]

Yeah, the issue with a lot of the "consistent" plural rules is that the reason they're so consistent is that there's only a tiny handful of nouns they apply to.

[long whale]

der Ingenieur, die Ingenieure

[plain umbra]

So it's worth keeping that in mind when putting together this kind of list.

If there's only 1 or 2 common words that have that pattern, it might be that learning the plurals directly is actually better.

[lone storm]

I don't know which rules only apply to a few words though

[long whale]

This applies to nouns ending in -ig, for example. (I can think of any number of adjectives ending in -ig, but nouns, apart from Honig - which isn't even used in plural - not really. :)

[plain umbra]

The thing with the suffixes like -lein is useful though. For any compound noun (and the common suffixes work essentially the same as a compound noun) the gender as well as the plural is determined by the final word/suffix of the compound. So you can learn the "plural" of these specific common suffixes, just like you do for a normal noun.

[lone storm]

Yeah that's useful

[plain umbra]

This isn't every suffix though. Like if the suffix comes from another language, or if it's not a true suffix, you can't necessarily rely on that.

But for the basic German ones, it's good to know.

[lone storm]

This source had a rule for -chen but like everybody knows das Mädchen even if they know no German lol so I didn't need to ask

[undone verge]

I think it's better to learn the plurals (outside of the really obvious neuter and -keit, -heit ones) plain. You will automatically pick up on the patterns after a bit without ever 'memorising' a list of rules. And then you will have also developed a feel, which is important for speaking at a normal pace

[long whale]

That's one of those you can apply to pretty much any noun as a diminutive, and it's far more common than -lein. Often induces a vowel change, though. :)

[lone storm]

meaning it gets an umlaut like Hände or a more complicated change?

[long whale]

Yes: die Hand - das Händchen (small hand, little paw, for a child)

[plain umbra]

outside of the really obvious neuter and -keit, -heit ones
Yes, those are exactly the kinds of suffixes I'm referring to. You can learn those in the same way you learn normal nouns, if you want to.

[undone verge]

I think that -lein often also induces the vowel change. Vögellein, Büchlein

[lone storm]

ah right when forming the diminutive, I thought you meant when pluralising a diminutive

[long whale]

Yes, of course.

[long whale]

No, no: der Baum (die Bäume) -> das Bäumchen (small tree)

[plain umbra]

Another point I'll add to this is that some of these fit into a special category called weak nouns or N-declension.

So you might want to learn about that as a separate thing.

[lone storm]

which ones?

[long whale]

faq N-Deklination

[stoic mauve]

Weak Nouns

Weak nouns are called this way because they receive the same endings as adjectives inflected with weak endings. They take an additional ending -n in every case except nominative singular. This is also known as N-Declension and affects almost exclusively masculine nouns.

Nominativ: der Junge, die Junge__n__
Genitiv: des Junge__n__, der Junge__n__
Dativ: dem Junge__n__, den Junge__n__
Akkusativ: den Junge__n__, die Junge__n__

Some nouns end with a suffix -en to make the pronunciation easier:
der Mensch, den Mensch__en__

‼ Das Herz is the only non-masculine (neuter) noun with N-Declension❣

So how do we recognize these nouns? We can divide them into 3 big groups:

1. nouns of Greek and Latin origin,
2. nouns ending with -e (most of these refer to people or animals),
3. other random German nouns (Mensch, Herr, Student, Nachbar, Prinz etc.)

Another way to divide the groups could be:

1. nouns denoting male beings in general (der Bauer, der Knabe, der Herr, der Junge, der Kunde etc.)
2. nouns indicating nationality or religious affiliation (der Chinese, der Russe, der Türke, der Jude, der Katholik, der Protestant)
3. nouns designating male beings and ending in the foreign suffixes (-ant, -arch, -ast, -ege, -ent, -ist, -oge, -om, -oph, -ot: der Kollege, der Student, der Psychologe, der Polizist, der Philosoph)

‼ der Käse and words ending with -ee aren’t weak nouns.

Genitive of Weak Nouns
You might have noticed from the examples above that weak nouns don’t have the additional -s in genitive like other masculine nouns.
Some exceptions are das Herz and nouns of group 3 that don’t refer to people nor animals (Name, Wille, Glaube, Buchstabe etc.), which take both the -n and -s endings.
Example: der Name, des Name__ns__.

[lone storm]

hm

not sure I'm ready for that quite yet

I've learned almost nothing but vocab so far

in terms of grammar all I've learned is gender and plural formation rules

I understand cases because I studied Latin and ancient Greek but I haven't learned exactly how they work in German yet

[long whale]

Mm... it is advisable to learn a noun with its gender and its plural form, particularly for everyday vocab: der Hund, die -e (meaning: die Hunde). I think those rules come in handy later on. :)

[lone storm]

ah I've been learning them with the gender

I'll add the plural form to my cards then

[last bolt]

Do vortragen and berichten mean the same

Can i swap out one for the other

[long whale]

No. There are very few cases where that will be possible. "berichten" = to report; "vortragen" = mostly rather like: to give a presentation.

[last bolt]

Danke

How can i say completed?

Zumbeispiel: I completed chapter 7 of my Deutsch Kursbuch

[swift bough]

beendet

zu Ende gelesen

[long whale]

also: abgeschlossen

[mental jetty]

I have a very (probably) weird yet short question: Is Eines genitive for One?

[mellow nova]

it can be

[narrow pier]

Hi guys, ( Das Wetter ist heute in Salzburg schön, aber kalt.)

Clara deutsch114.03.2022 12:11
Hauptsache sonnig. ☀️ 😎
⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️

Korrektur:
Das Wetter in Salzburgist heute schön ...

this was another personons correction , but I wanted to make sure if the teacher isnt mistaken

??

[mellow nova]

correction is correct

[mellow nova]

is this part of your neck 'der Nacken'

[long whale]

The part between her hands, mostly. Yes.

[mellow nova]

and Hals is the front part? or the inside-the-body part I think I have found out it is both

[long whale]

I'd say Hals is that whole part of your body, plus the inside. If you want to specify the front part, that would be Kehle (but that one can also be used for the inside).

[mellow nova]

ohh ok quite a few words for neck ty

[heady skiff]

It is correct, when you seperate Salzburg and ist

[narrow pier]

thank you i was confused

so google doesnt seem to be that of a big help about this

do you guys know of any german sitcom

like a german version of brooklyn 99 or how I met your mother, if someone knows please let me know

[icy flax]

There's "the German The office", aka Stromberg. Both @scenic drift and me watched one suggested by @long whale: Mord mit Aussicht https://www.ardmediathek.de/sendung/mord-mit-aussicht/staffel-1/Y3JpZDovL3dkci5kZS9Nb3JkIG1pdCBBdXNzaWNodCBPTkU/1. We all liked it (:

[last bolt]

Check out "Extra" on youtube

[plush pelican]

Saw this on Tagesschau's instagram: "Der älteste Mensch der Welt ist tot. Die Japanerin Kane Tanaka starb im Alter von 119 Jahren. Wie die Lokalregierung ihrer Heimatstadt Fukuoka bekannt gab, starb Tanaka bereits am 19. April."

Why is that "bereits" there? To me, that seems like the sentence reads, "As the local government of her home-town Fukuoka made known, she already died on April 19th," which sounds weird.

Why not just say that she died on April 19th? "starb Tanaka am 19. April."

Is that possible?

Another way of saying it in English might be to say, "she was already dead by April 19th", to emphasize the fact that it's been 6 days and the information only just came out, but that's a different tense, at least in English.

[wise pendant]

bereits in that context means "earlier than one would assume"
Since the news of hear dead took some time to reach international media

[plush pelican]

interesting

It's a usage very slightly different than the English 😮

[keen nebula]

Someone translate please
Let me tell you a story

[dusky rune]

How would you write "Your favourite team is __"?

[mellow nova]

ask in one channel only 👍 not 3

[keen nebula]

no one answers ✅

[mellow nova]

wait more than 30 seconds

if it gets buried you can of course ask again but asking in multiple channels runs the risk of wasting the nice people that help out around here's time

by answering questions that have already been answered

for simple translations like that you could always just use deepl.com 👍

[keen nebula]

thats only my first question once someone answers i have two others that are related👍

[mellow nova]

This discord is not a translation service 👍 if you would like to attempt it yourself and get it corrected you can do that

otherwise be respectful and please use translation websites

[keen nebula]

👍

[half bloom]

does anyone know a good site for movies with german synchronisation, there is gotta be many of them but i just cant find them

[undone verge]

do you have netflix?

[half bloom]

i do but i dont have a vpn

[undone verge]

oh yeah, I always forget about that

you could make an account with amazon.de and get prime video. idk if you meant free (in that case, just search the name of the show/series/movie 'deutsch online schauen' or something in german).

[half bloom]

otherwise i am limited to german produced movies and series which are not the best to say at least

[undone verge]

ah wait, I forgot that doesn'T work either. For some reason prime video makes you use a german payment method

even though amazon.de in general doesn't

makes no sense

[dense obsidian]

done

[half bloom]

danke

[spiral vapor]

hello, can anyone help out with the meaning of "Befehlsgeld"? when I try to look it up "Befehlsfeld" is taking over the search engine

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, you're right. It only has very few results on Google.

It's some extremely specific financial term that was only ever used a handful of times.

The very sentence you showed already gives you a definition for what it's supposed to mean anyway.

[spiral vapor]

I guess it's called like that because it was ordered to be made / it's value is determined by the government?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I suppose that makes sense. It's apparently a neologism, though.

[spiral vapor]

Yes but I couldn't find a specific translation. Well, maybe there isn't any

[proven sphinx]

Well, you can create new words in German by combining already existing ones. This is such an example.

[spiral vapor]

yes yes, it's from an economics book for a class, pretty outdated too

[spiral vapor]

Yup! Just a weird combo but I guess you gotta think hard about it sometimes

[proven sphinx]

"Rechengeld" is used much more often though, and it basically means like fake money, as in money that is meant to be fake, not counterfeit money.

Like Monopoly money.

[upper lynx]

i've never heard Rechengeld in my life.

For monopoly money I'd just say "Spielgeld"

[proven sphinx]

Normalerweise nennt man es ja Spielgeld, oder? Aber wenn ich "Rechengeld" auf Google suche, kommt halt Spielgeld, also muss es einfach ein Synonym dafür sein.

[upper lynx]

Ja, scheint so. Wenn jemand bei mir von "Rechengeld" sprechen würde, hätte ich keine ahnung was der von mir will.

Wobei wenn ich rechengeld google, kommt eher so geld für kinder zum lernen wie man rechnet

[proven sphinx]

Ja, vielleicht würde das eher Sinn ergeben.

[upper lynx]

Also, nicht für ein spiel, sondern eher so zum lernen, für die schule oder so

[proven sphinx]

Ich wusste gar nicht, dass es das gibt, aber gut. 😅

[upper lynx]

Ich glaube in der ersten Klasse hatte vielleicht unser Mathelehrer mal sowas gehabt... aber das ist lange her.

"Rechengeld" steht nichtmal im duden, "Spielgeld" schon.

[proven sphinx]

Na ja, jedenfalls ist dieser Satz oben einfach voller komischer Wörter. 😂

[upper lynx]

Ja, ich denke das buch ist aus den 50ern oder so

[spiral vapor]

lololol

[upper lynx]

I think all they mean is fiat currency tbh

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I think so.

[spiral vapor]

Ich denke diese Version ist aus den 2000er, vielleicht 2004?

[upper lynx]

bzw. Fiatgeld

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiatgeld

[proven sphinx]

Echt jetzt? 😂

[upper lynx]

not sure about all the strange words

[spiral vapor]

Es nutzt Data aus 2004 und bevor

[proven sphinx]

Das könnte diese seltsamen Begriffe vielleicht erklären.

[upper lynx]

Dann hatte der Autor wohl spaß sich irgendwelche komischen Begriffe rauszusuchen die keiner kennt

[spiral vapor]

Ja, ich denke die Lehrerin ist so an diese Version gewöhnt, dass sie neuere Version nicht nutzen kann/will

[upper lynx]

The only words that seem important to me are the first 4 "Geld ohne intrinsischen Wert", which seems like they simply mean fiat money

[proven sphinx]

Offenbar. 😂

[spiral vapor]

when I see fiat

this is what I think

[upper lynx]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money
It is a common term

Fiat money is money without intrinsic value, as opposed to pieces of gold or something with intrinsic value

[proven sphinx]

The car brand comes from the Latin term.

[spiral vapor]

yesyes, just my first thought is this legendary car

okok, but I gotta go back to reading, thanks a lot for the help < 3

[half bloom]

can someone send an example when is melden used as a non reflexive verb

actually i could really use a site with example sentences

[undone verge]

duden.de

looks intimidating because it's in German, really isn't all that bad and has great examples. Another option is linguee (my favourite bilingual online dictionary with example sentences)

[half bloom]

danke

[swift bough]

Duden is pretty difficult for beginners to use

because it is monolingual, not bilingual

[half bloom]

"ich habe hingegen dem Regel, jemanden getöten" is this correct use of hingegen

[upper lynx]

Hmm, not really. The case is wrong, and also that sort of implies that people are not sure if killing someone is against "the rules"

[half bloom]

could you send an example of it being correctly used

[near folio]

Inge hat ihr Spiel gewonnen, Hans hingegen verlor.

[upper lynx]

yup, that's a good example

[half bloom]

would a good translation of it be: on the contrary

[upper lynx]

"however" would generally fit better

or sometimes "on the other hand" as well

But on the contrary would also work I guess

[half bloom]

its very hard for me to translate and understand this kind of words because im not a native english speaker so whenever i want to translate it or look it up i than have to translate it again to my language

[upper lynx]

Well, I probably don't know your native language so I probably can't help you with that

It depends on the use case, it can be used as a konjunction or adverb

on the other hand is an adverb, however is a konjunction

[half bloom]

er hat eine gute Note bekommt, ich habe hingegen nicht

second attempt

[upper lynx]

if you scratch the "habe" that would work

[half bloom]

how would it be used as a konjuction

[upper lynx]

you did just use it as a conjunction.
Adverb would be something like "Er kocht gerne, aber hingegen isst er nicht gerne.". More uncommon usage.

[half bloom]

hmm

time to review conjuctions

thanks for the help

[upper lynx]

honestly, hard to differentiate

conjunction is sort of anything connecting two words or sentence parts, adverbs modify verbs.

Maybe it is a Konjunktionaladverb, I don't know.

[half bloom]

guess i thought it was an adverb because i originally used it with habe

[upper lynx]

I think it is hard to differentiate sometimes, maybe there is some good way I don't know

[half bloom]

what about Anlass (on some places i found Anlaß but i guess its the same), somewhere i find it translated as cause/motive/reason and somewhere as ocasion, both correct? how is it used?

[upper lynx]

Anlaß is probably the spelling before the large spelling reform in 1996. They removed a lot of ß's and changed them to "ss". "dass" used to be spelled "daß".

Both translations of Anlass are correct.
"Es ist ein Kleid für einen festlichen Anlass" or "Der Anlass des Streites war das Lieblingsbier", for example.

[wheat spruce]

hile

[upper lynx]

?

[half bloom]

whats Streit?

[long whale]

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Streit

[long whale]

Unfortunately, neither Anlaß nor daß are considered correct anymore in Standard German. :)

[upper lynx]

Yes, I wasn't trying to say they are. That's why I said it used to be spelled that way.
I was just explaining why it was spelled that way in that case. People might find texts older than 1996 and will see the old spellings of words, so it is important for them to know.

[long whale]

I only wrote that because you'd said "Both are correct" :)

[upper lynx]

Ahh, both are correct was referring to his comment!

cause he asked if both translations were correct

[long whale]

That, ehh, was not evident to me. :)

[upper lynx]

I see now how that could be misunderstood

[half bloom]

obwohl hat er jemanden sehen, bedeutet es nicht dass er ein Bürgermeister ist (ignore the absurd nonsense of a sentence this is, is the word order and the use of obwohl correct?)

[long whale]

No. obwohl introduces a subordinate clause. And you need Partizip II of "sehen".

Comma before "dass"

[half bloom]

oh yeah total moment of stupidity for that sehen

[long whale]

You are very welcome.

[half bloom]

how do i use a subortinate clause with obwohl

anything i think of is

the other one 😅

wait wait

a simple one

ich bin hier, obwohl ich muss etwas tun

[long whale]

No. subordinate clause: conjugated part of the verb gets sent to the very end

[half bloom]

is it not a subortinate clause or is the word order just wrong

[long whale]

It is a subordinate clause -> the word order is wrong

[half bloom]

soo

ich habe eine gute Note bekommt, obwohl ich nichts gelernt habe

[long whale]

Word order is now correct. Verb form in the main clause is wrong, though: "ich" does not work with "bekommt"

[half bloom]

what should have i used

[long whale]

Excuse me? Please check conjugation table.

[half bloom]

oh the form of bekommen is wrong

lmao

i thought the whole verb cannot be used here for some reason

anyway

its evident that its too late

[long whale]

And again: You are very welcome

[half bloom]

thanks for the help

gute Nacht

[long whale]

Ah. Yes.

[fervent kernel]

with reflexive verbs and um-zu, does the nominative pronoun always disappear?
e.g. Alex geht ins Badezimmer. Er wäschst sich.
= Alex geht ins Badezimmer, um sich zu waschen.

[kindred idol]

Hey

Can someone teach me relativpronomen

I kind of have the gist of it but I’m confused on some parts

[opal narwhal]

Yes. And "um... zu" is only possible if the subject is the same as in the main clause (that's why it disappears).

[fallen vale]

Kann ich Hilfe bei meinen Hausaufgaben haben?
ich muss ein Essay schreibe und jetz ich muss korrect es
ich weiss nicht was ist Falsch

[long meadow]

Ja, ich kann dir helfen

[fallen vale]

danke!

ein moment bitte

wo kann ich ein Photo send

[long meadow]

hier

[fallen vale]

ich kann nicht

kann ich dm das Photo?

[long meadow]

ja

[fallen vale]

ok

[gilded falcon]

hallo zusammen ich bin neu

[ember mulch]

How do I describe what I see in a picture. Is it more natrual to say "Auf das bild gibt es ein Mann" or "Auf das bild ist ein Mann", or something else?

[undone verge]

auf dem Bild

[long meadow]

Auf dem Bild ist ein Mann

[last bolt]

Was meint der Ausdruck "Das kann doch nicht wahr sein"

[undone verge]

(but) that can't be true!

[last bolt]

Ach so

Danke

[undone verge]

also just a tip, it makes more sense to ask 'was bedeutet der Ausdruck'

[last bolt]

Ich habe das in deepl.com ausprobiert aber die antwort war anders

[last bolt]

Vielen Dank

[undone verge]

?

[last bolt]

Damn

I typed noch nicht instead of doch nicht

My bad

[undone verge]

ach so! ja und ne kein Problem. Ich war nur neugierig, was DeepL ausspucken würde

[mellow nova]

babbel?

[last bolt]

Nein das war von meinem Deutsch-Kursbuch

[half bloom]

is there a difference between Feststellung and Observation?

[hardy zinc]

Is this correct?

Anja geht zum Reisebüro. Sie möchte einen Flug buchen
->
Weil Anja einen Flug buchen möchte, geht sie zum Reisebüro

[fervent kernel]

yeah

[hardy zinc]

Sind diese korrekt?

2. Weil Eva mit der Arbeit noch nicht fertig ist, kann sie nicht kommen
3. Weil Lisa heute Geburtstag hat, kauft er einen Blumenstrauß
4. Weil Max Italienisch lernen möchte, meldet er sich für einen Sprachkurs an

[long meadow]

yes

[long whale]

Oh yes! They are not synonyms at all.

[half bloom]

whats the difference

in my dictionaries both is translated as observation

[long meadow]

well, Feststellung is like a conclusion

after observing, you come to a conclusion

[narrow pier]

hi guys,,,,,, ich ziehe von der Wohnung um

is that sentence correct , but means I am changing or I change apartment , correct?

[steel patrol]

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/LX-TcVYMAts

In short:
"sich umziehen" - to change one's clothes
"umziehen" - to move (house or flat)

[narrow pier]

thank you

[mellow nova]

to move out is ausziehen

[long meadow]

Ich ziehe um
or
Ich ziehe aus der Wohnung aus

[mellow nova]

you can't 'umziehen' out of something

[long meadow]

((yayy,, im gold now!!)

[mellow nova]

[last bolt]

Gehen vs laufen vs rennen

Im getting confused over the three

How to distinguish?

[long meadow]

gehen = walking
laufen = running
rennen = fast running, its just a lot more speed than "laufen"

if you are missing your bus for example it would make more sense to use rennen

[last bolt]

I have seen laufen being used to refer to walking

[long meadow]

do you have an example

[mellow nova]

it doesn't explicitly mean running

[last bolt]

Hast du den Bus genommen?
Nein ich bin gelaufen

[mellow nova]

the first dictionary definition is simply 'sich zu Fuß fortbewegen, gehen'

[long meadow]

it can be fast walking too

[last bolt]

Also if i say
I gehe ins Kino
Does it explicitely mean i walked to the theatre

[mellow nova]

yes

well the into part

not the walk part

[long meadow]

then u would probably say "Ich bin zu Fuß gelaufen"

in that case it can be just walking

[last bolt]

So it can mean going by train or something

[long meadow]

to be more specific

[mellow nova]

ya sure ig

[long meadow]

Ich gehe ins Kino = im going to the cinema

just going

[last bolt]

So basically gehen just means i changed my location but not necessarily by foot

[long meadow]

yeah

Ich gehe heute zum Zahnarzt (today im going to the dentist)

can be with anything

ur just going

[last bolt]

Ah Danke

[long meadow]

and if u wanna be specific and say that u r walking there u can just add "zu Fuß" (by foot)
Ich gehe zu Fuß zur Schule

[last bolt]

So gehen means to change location
Laufen can be running
Rennen is for sure running

[long meadow]

yes

[last bolt]

Vielan Dank

[long meadow]

Vielen Dank*

Kein Problem! :)

[mental jetty]

Was ist richtiger?
1 Ich bräuchte einen roten Radiergummi.
2 Ich würde einen roten Radiergummi brauchen.

[long whale]

1 (2 is fine, grammar-wise, but unidiomatic)

[mental jetty]

Oh ok. Danke schön

[narrow pier]

hi, whats the difference between einschalten and anmachen???

[cursive stirrup]

🤯 I'm native and never thought about that

But it's pretty much a synonym

you can use both when referring to, say, turning on the dishwasher

[narrow pier]

whats the difference between ( ich wasche das Geschirr)------>is not correct ,,, ( ich wache das Geschirr ab)----> is correct

[narrow pier]

thank you

[mellow nova]

einschalten is solely for electronics

and anmachen is more colloquial in that regard

Schalter - switch

[cursive stirrup]

das Geschirr* (that stuff can be rude sometimes ik)
I think that is pretty much the same

[narrow pier]

what do you mean its rude, correting it ??

[cursive stirrup]

no, getting to know the "gender" of the different words can be uh...I didnt want to say bitchy, but...bitchy.)

[narrow pier]

i dont know what do you mean by colloquial , does it mean it can be used in formal situations

[cursive stirrup]

because there is literally no rule
when I was in 6th grade my german teacher went "if it sounds weird it's probably wrong"

[narrow pier]

yes its very bitchy, idk but i had flash back that dishes in german only existed in plural

[mellow nova]

the idiomatic expression is 'be a bitch' bitchy means like someone that's rude/complains a lot

[cursive stirrup]

Das Geschirr is uh
like das Wasser I guess? there is no real counting it

its a plural but a weird one 😂

[mellow nova]

it's called a collective noun

singular

[cursive stirrup]

yes that

thank you

[narrow pier]

i dont know what do you mean by colloquial , does it mean it can be used in formal situations , am I correct @mellow nova or generous people of this server

[long whale]

colloquial = (very) informal

[narrow pier]

.

[narrow pier]

danke sehr ( idk either if its correct )

[long whale]

We don't say Geschirr waschen, it's either "Geschirr abwaschen" or "Geschirr spülen"

[cursive stirrup]

true, completely shut off germany brain and was like "yup that seems kinda correct I guess" 😂

[upper lynx]

Geschirr does have a plural, but it is not used for this case. Just like fish has a plural, but you don't say "I eat fishes", even if it is more than one fish

[mellow nova]

das have a plural? haha

denglisch

[upper lynx]

For example, if a store sells horse harnesses, you'd say they are offering many "Geschirre". But if you are saying "Geschirr abwaschen", you are sort of talking about your Geschirr as a whole. If you are talking about multiple different sets of Geschirr you might want to use the plural.

"ich wasche die Geschirre" would be fine to say if he is cleaning the harnesses of his horses, but not if he meant to say that he is washing dishes.

[narrow pier]

so the matter of choosing which verb to use, is to see it in context, there isnt an easy way to learn the differences actually ( but if you use waschen and the examiner understands would it be a big problem ) i always very concern myself with these topics

[narrow pier]

i wrote Geschirr but changed it to Geschirre a moment later , well i guess i have to correct it , thanksss

[upper lynx]

For your own dishes you'd use the singular. If you are talking about multiple distinct sets you might use the plural sometimes

[long whale]

Well - think of it as saying "I cleaned the dishes" -> it's perfectly understandable, just totally unidiomatic. :)

[narrow pier]

i get it

i dont know what those emoji really stand for, i hope haven't offended anyone,

[upper lynx]

I don't know either, first time I've seen that emoji in my life

[narrow pier]

understandable, have a nice day

whats that place cold ( where you grow up chickens from )

does have any name

[undone verge]

a coop?

or an incubator?

[narrow pier]

so its called ( der Brutapparat )??

[mellow nova]

it's called... wait for it... Hühnerhaus

very original, yes

or Hühnerstall

[narrow pier]

you are being sarcastic??

[narrow pier]

so kann man das verwenden????

can i use it

[upper lynx]

Hühnerstall is most common I'd say.

And the place where the eggs are hatched is usually just called "Inkubator", or "Brutkasten"

[narrow pier]

thanks for the clarrification

[fervent kernel]

Gibt es jemandem, der gut in deutsch ist, sodass er oder sie mir mit einer Dialoganalyse helfen können?

es ist eine Dramaanalyse zur Komödie "Die Physiker" falls es jemanden interessieren sollte

[icy flax]

Ich hab den Anfang dieses Buchs mit einigen Freunden gelesen. Worum geht's? Also, bei der Dialoganalyse. Was genau musst du dabei besprechen?

[last bolt]

How do i write
I completed chapter 8 of my german textbook today

Should i use abschliessen or beenden or something else

[long meadow]

Ich habe heute das 8. Kapitel meines Deutschbuchs abgeschlossen.

[fervent kernel]

Man wird irgendeinen Dialog gegeben

was natürlich aus dieser Komödie kommt, und dazu muss man dann eine Dialoganalyse schreiben

[icy flax]

Aus Google, Dialoganalyse

1. Figuren: Wer spricht? Was ist ihr Verhältnis zueinander? ...
2. Kontext: Wann und wo findet das Gespräch statt? Wieso findet das Gespräch statt? ...
3. Inhalt: Was ist das Thema des Gesprächs? Wie verläuft das Gespräch
   Das kriegst du leicht hin, oder? Wo genau liegen die Schwierigkeiten?

[fervent kernel]

Ja uns hat der Lehrer eine Liste mit viel zu viel scheiß gegeben

da sind Gott weiß wie viele Punkte drauf

und es ergibt irgendwie einfach wenig Sinn

[icy flax]

vielleicht hat er eine verallgemeinerte Hinweise gegeben, die zu allen Passagen dienen sollte? Mach einf was machbar ist

[tall torrent]

hey, i have a question, which case do i have to use after "beschrieben", i can't find it anywhere

[queen root]

huh

[tall torrent]

i mean

for example "Ich beschriebe (something)" and which case should I use in this place

[undone verge]

beschreiben

it's accusative

almost all verbs that begin with be- take accusative objects

[tall torrent]

a, thanks, i thought about Partizip Perfekt, idk why

[tall torrent]

thank you

[unique dune]

ja

[dusk sinew]

What does auf suß mean

[rare jetty]

It's really tough to explain, it is kind of "youthlanguage". For example if I say "Ich mach einen auf süß", I'm saying "I'm feeling cute /I'm pretending to be cute"

I'd just suggest to not use it, since its a) very colloquial and b) very hard to build/use the right way

[fervent kernel]

kennst du den Aufbau dessen?

[shy basin]

Damit Sie sie treffen können

Does this mean

So they can meet them

[rare jetty]

So you can meet them*

[shy basin]

Oh ye that's what I meant ops

Can you explain the word order

Why it's like that

[rare jetty]

ah nvm

No I cant xD Im not that much of a grammar god, i'm sorry

[shy basin]

How does it go into your head cause it's like all over the place

Lmao

[mellow nova]

that means

so you (formal) can meet them

and the verb is at the end because damit is a Subjunktion

[shy basin]

Ye but I dont understand the structure of that makes sense

[rare jetty]

I'm native so idk, I just grew up with it

[shy basin]

Ok

Thanks guys

[mellow nova]

Nebensatz

this isn't a sentence btw

needs another clause

[rare jetty]

Yup, smth like "Ich gebe Ihnen die Adresse, damit Sie sie treffen können"

[mellow nova]

joa

[unique dune]

habs nicht mehr gaaanz so genau im kopf aber schick dm

[fervent kernel]

@unique dune sag mir ein Thema ich schreibe Sätze

Ich kann Vokabel für viele deutsche Themen

[near folio]

hallo, ich bin @unique dune und möchte dich auf die Themen in #study-tasks hinweisen

[unique dune]

danke @unique dune

[long whale]

(Wonders will never cease...)

[short rampart]

In meiner Gegend gibt es zu viel Verkehr, also es gibt viele Luftverschmutzung. Ich finde das ziemlich gefährlich, weil es viele Konsequenzen hätte. Gegen Luftverschmutzung könnten wir öfter mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln fahren, weil sie weniger Abgasen produzieren.

would this be correct german? i'm not entirely sure whether gegen is used in this context and my word order might be off

[swift bough]

with gegen are you basically trying to say "in order to reduce emissions"?

I would write the whole thing a little bit differently

but it's not at all a bad attempt though

[short rampart]

yeah

I didn't know the right word for reduce so I tried to say "to prevent/fight against pollution"

[swift bough]

I think in this case, to reduce could be "verringern" or "reduzieren"

I would use one of those here

[short rampart]

ah thank you!

[swift bough]

and also there is a difference between "viel" and "viele"

in this case, you need "viel"

viel = much
viele = many

since you can't count Luftverschmutzung

[short rampart]

oh okay that makes sense

thank you :)

[swift bough]

there is one other thing

"Ich finde das ziemlich gefährlich, weil es viele Konsequenzen hätte" this means "I think that's pretty dangerous, because it would have many consequences"

I do not think the use of Konjunktiv II here makes sense, because this is not hypothetical, since it actually is true.

[upper lynx]

Also it's "Abgase"

[swift bough]

yeah I didn't even know about that one

good catch

since in English it is toxic emissions

and vehicles produce multiple bad emissions

[upper lynx]

Abgase is plural too. Gas, Gase

[swift bough]

but I guess it makes perfect sense in german too because all of the gases come out together

mixed together

as one

ah

yeah ok

so it just does not need the N

I thought Abgase was singular for a sec

[upper lynx]

Abgas is the singular form

[swift bough]

yeah

[upper lynx]

But the plural is used more often

[swift bough]

totally brain farted on that

I literally just saw the word yesterday

because I watched a vid in German about how engines work

I completely forgot that it is plural already

[upper lynx]

No worries lol.

[short rampart]

In meiner Gegend gibt es zu viel Verkehr, also es gibt viel Luftverschmutzung. Ich finde das ziemlich gefährlich, weil es viele Konsequenzen hat. Um Luftverschmutzung zu reduzieren, könnten wir öfter mit öffentlichen Verkehrsmitteln fahren, weil sie weniger Abgase produzieren.

like that?

[swift bough]

you did not fix the viel/viele thing

but otherwise I think it looks good

[short rampart]

ah whoops

thanks for all of your help

[swift bough]

like it's basically the same logic as english

too much traffic, not too many traffic

etc

no problem

[lean ibex]

does anyone know what the difference between der, die, and das is? someone said it was gender related but them what do i do for objects and food and animals?

[swift bough]

those also have gender

Social gender does not equate to grammatical gender

[cold iris]

Can I use wegen in a relative clause? Like: "Die Krankheit, wegen der ich in der Schule nicht war" Or is that nonsense? If not what would I use instead?

[plain umbra]

Yep, that works.

[radiant pilot]

you're partially right

you wanna use (most of the time) genitive next to Wegen even though dative is also correct

hope you're having your fun admin

you must be bored i assume

[plain umbra]

Oh yeah, good point, I forgot to mention the case.

[cold iris]

Wait I thought I did use the genitive, which is why it's "wegen der", since Krankheight is feminine. What did I do wrong?

[radiant pilot]

that's dative

it should be " Wegen derer" if it was genitive

[cold iris]

oh yeahhhhhh. I forgot that had to be changed when used in a relative clause

danke

[radiant pilot]

nichts zu danken

[steel patrol]

"Wegen" is very much a genitive preposition. Depending on the noun that proceeds it, you'll need to use either "der" or "des" as your definite article, for example:
"Wegen der Sonne, kann ich..."
"Wegen des Regens, kann ich nicht..."

@cold iris

"Die Krankheit, wegen der ich nicht in der Schule war..."

[plain umbra]

It's wegen derer/deren because it's a relative pronoun.

For example, "wegen der Krankheit war ich nicht in der Schule" would be correct, but in this sentence, derer/deren.

[steel patrol]

Ok, I'll chill with typing then (and brush up on some basics while I'm at it, lmao)

[cold iris]

yeah I learned about relative clauses like 8 years ago and I just keep forgetting what words I should use lol. I just got back into actually trying to improve my german

[steel patrol]

Yeah, it really does help to try to keep everything relatively fresh in your mind, but at the same time it's not that easy (especially since some certain grammar structures etc are not used very often). But best of luck with getting back into it! What level did you manage to get to before you dropped it all those years ago, if you don't mind me asking?

[cold iris]

I never took an actual CEFR exam but I'd say I was probably between B1 and B2. I took the sample exam on the Goethe website a few months ago and it recommended C1 and C2 exams but I'm definitely not C1 lol.

I've learned all the grammar rules and stuff that you'd learn in american highschool, including advanced stuff like passive and weak nouns etc but I've forgotten a lot. I just started taking college level German ccourses and I've improved a lot but am still definitely in the B level.

I removed my B level roll though because I was embarrassed about calling myself B and asking these basic questions lol but I might put it back

[swift bough]

if it was one of those 15 question multiple choice test or something, yeah those always overestimate

they aren't accurate

[cold iris]

yeah it was one of those

[steel patrol]

Ah, it must still live in your brain somewhere then! I reckon you'll need to spend some time (maybe like a few weeks?) on reviewing the material you already learned and then be able to proceed with further learning quite smoothly.

[swift bough]

it can't gauge anything accurately compared to a real test because the real test has a speaking, writing, and listening comprehension part to it afaik

and you get a separate score in all 3

[plain umbra]

If it recommends you C1, that roughly means you're at B2. Of course they are not 100% accurate but just explaining that so you understand how it should be read.

[cold iris]

yeah and I had to relisten to some of the audio samples which I assume wouldn't happen in an actual exam

[swift bough]

especially not on the spoken part...well, you could probably ask them to repeat themselves, but it would just indicate that you aren't quite there yet

[plain umbra]

Btw as for the roles, for your case I recommend to pick the one that best reflects what kind of explanations you want people to give you. Like if you feel like you need total beginner explanations and corrections, choose Level A, even if you feel like you have a few B skills. It will encourage people to talk to you as a beginner rather than assuming you know that stuff already.

[cold iris]

Since I took the exam I've read through an entire German novel and have done about 900 anki cards. I definitely feel like I've improved a lot. But still not C1.

[plain umbra]

Although choosing to have no role is also fine. I just wanted to mention that as a useful tip.

[cold iris]

Yeah I think i'll get the B roll back. I just get self conscious sometimes lol.

[swift bough]

the B role can mean both B1 or B2 so you don't have to think of yourself as B2 if it makes you feel self-conscious or smth

[cold iris]

true

[soft lake]

Konnten sie mir bitte helfen?

Gleich kommen unsere Nachbarn,

mit denen wir essen gehen wollen.
mit sie wir essen gehen wollen.
mit denen wollen wir essen gehen .
mit denen wir gehen essen wollen.

[long whale]

This looks like a test...?

[mental jetty]

Welches ist richtiger?
1 Mein Lehrer verwendet häufig rote Kreide
2 Mein Lehrer benutzt häufig rote Kreide

[sonic glacier]

both verbs are correct, but you need a space between "häufig" and "rote"

[mental jetty]

So I can use both interchangeably?

[sonic glacier]

for this sentence absolutely, yes

[mental jetty]

Well, what is the difference between verwenden and benutzen?

[sonic glacier]

well, for all sentences you can use them interchangeably actually xD
my brain was just a bit slow, sorry

[mental jetty]

Ohhh

[mental jetty]

Danke schön

[sonic glacier]

they mean the same thing, only that in the specifics "verwenden" is used for undefined lengths while "benutzen" is a timewise defined action (apparently, according to this || https://dict.leo.org/forum/viewGeneraldiscussion.php?idForum=4&idThread=343781&lp=ende&lang=de#:~:text=Verwenden ist etwas umgangssprachlicher%2C aber,hingegen eine zeitliche begrenzte Aktion.||, but we use them interchangeably in germany)

[mental jetty]

Was ist richtiger?
1 Während du lernst, werde ich schlafen.
2 Während lernst du, werde ich schlafen.

[fervent kernel]

The first one seems more natural to me because usually (in a statement) the verb comes after the subject, but don't quote me on that, as I too am a beginner

[long whale]

Only 1 is correct.

[mental jetty]

But isn't the verb on second position in 2?

[long whale]

"während" introduces a subordinate clause here -> conjugated verb gets shifted to the very end. Verb in Pos. 2 is for main clauses :)

[mental jetty]

Ohhh

[long whale]

And in your example, the subordinate clause (all of it!) takes Pos. 1

[mental jetty]

So if there's a subordinate clause, the verb would automatically move to the very end of the sentence?

[long whale]

in the subordinate clause, yes. The conjugated part of the verb, that is. :)

[mental jetty]

So, how could I say while I was eating, you were sleeping?

[plain umbra]

German isn't a "subject before verb" language like English. The subject does usually stay adjacent to the verb, but it can be before or after, depending on other word order rules in place for a specific sentence.

[mental jetty]

"Während ich habe gegessen, hast du schlafen"?

[plain umbra]

The main rule for a statement in German is that the verb is second. The subject can then be either in 1st or 3rd position (in most sentences).

[wise pendant]

"Während ich gegessen habe, hast du geschlafen."

[long whale]

I said the conjugated part of the verb (which one is it?) gets shifted to the end of the subordinate clause. :) And you need the past participle of "schlafen". :)

[last bolt]

In the below sentence
"Wählen Sie ein Foto und schreiben Sie eine Gescichte dazu."
Can i replace dazu with darüber

[mental jetty]

Ohhh

[long whale]

*darüber - yes.

[wise pendant]

No, but with darüber 😉

[last bolt]

Entschuldigung

Da words are driving me mad

'Wo' words as well

[plain umbra]

Don't worry too much if you mess up choosing the right one. Prepositions (and therefore da-compounds) are difficult to choose correctly and it takes a long time to learn well.

[long whale]

Why? "über den/dem/die/das" -> da+r+über ;)

[last bolt]

I didnt mean in this particular context but in general

Currently i have understood it as
da+prep= prep+ that/it
Da+über= about that/it

But this doesnt work for dazu

[long whale]

Yes, exactly. It doesn't? Can you give an example?

[last bolt]

My earlier sentence

Zu means 'to' right?

[long whale]

Well, in this case, you've got a choice of prepositions: eine Geschichte über ein Thema schreiben (the more common version) and/or eine Geschichte zu einem Thema schreiben. That's all. :)

[long whale]

Unfortunately, there is rarely a 1:1 translation for a preposition. Depending on context, there may be a great many possibilities for translating them. -> Prepositions need to be learned in context. :)

[last bolt]

Ach so

Vielen Dank

[edgy lotus]

Habt ihr eure/euren Tennisschläger mitgebracht?

which one correct?

[fervent kernel]

I think it's "eure"

Plural in Akkusativ

Don't quote me on that though

[edgy lotus]

i thought tennisschläger was singular

at least that is what my dictionary tells me ahahhahah

[near folio]

der Plural von Tennisschläger wird genauso geschrieben: Tennisschläger

[fervent kernel]

I think "schläger" is one of those words that are the same in plural because it ends in -er

[edgy lotus]

I see

danke 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Gern

[drowsy jewel]

Is halt acceptable in day to day language for stop or is it more formal vs other ways to say stop

[plain umbra]

Depends on the context I would say.

[drowsy jewel]

Correct me if I'm wrong but i would say halt if I'm in a position to give orders right?

Like if I'm at work and somebody is doing something bad i would say halt

But if somebody is annoying me and i want them to stop what they are doing

What would be the correct word for that happenstance

[plain umbra]

I'm not really sure about "halt" since I don't hear it much myself but the normal way I hear people say to stop doing something is aufhören. "Hör auf" for the command form.

[drowsy jewel]

Alright

So hör auf is more common

[upper lynx]

It depends. If you are moving furniture for example you'd rather say stop, if you want them to stop. But if they are annoying you'd say "hör auf".

[narrow pier]

hi so i am confused when you use wenn, you have to make a full statement, idk how to explain

but the example i have written is from ÖSD and its so strange right after the beginnen , there comes no sentence that related to the Verkäuferin s topic

,,,,,,,,die meisten Mädchen entscheiden sich für eine Lehre als Verkäufer wenn sie nach der Schule mit einer Berufausbilding beginnen,,,,,,,,, der beruf der friseurin befindet sich
auf platz

how does this make sense

[proven sphinx]

That's not a full sentence. It should say "Der Beruf der Friseurin befindet sich auf Platz 2." or something like that.

[narrow pier]

yeah yeah

it was that i just didnt type the rest

[proven sphinx]

So what is your problem with this then?

Die meisten Mädchen entscheiden sich für eine Lehre als Verkäuferin, wenn sie nach der Schule mit einer Berufsausbildung beginnen. Der Beruf der Friseurin befindet sich auf Platz 2.

Makes perfect sense to me.

[narrow pier]

what i meant to say was ( when they begin with an apprenticeship after school ) this senctence has to completed and it didnt in the test

[proven sphinx]

Everything until "beginnen" is just one sentence. Everything afterwards should be a separate sentence.

[narrow pier]

oh its saying ( when they begin with an apprenticeship , they decide on having one as Verkäuferin )

[proven sphinx]

Exactly.

[narrow pier]

i think the term was stated kinda reverse, which i want familiar with in germany

[narrow pier]

thank you

German*

[proven sphinx]

Well, you can do both in German. You can either start the sentence with "wenn" or do the main clause first and the subordinate clause with "wenn" later.

[final marlin]

Heute hast du früher Frei.

[proven sphinx]

Wenn sie nach der Schule mit einer Berufsausbildung beginnen, entscheiden sich die meisten Mädchen für eine Lehre als Verkäuferin.

[narrow pier]

I really understand what subordinate and main clause are in my language

[proven sphinx]

That would also work.

[narrow pier]

Wenn sie nach der Schule mit einer Berufsausbildung beginnen, entscheiden sie sich für eine Lehre als Verkäuferin. ( if they already know who you are talking about , this would work too right, i was confused as to why we didnt use ( entscheiden sie sich ) but then i said , we named the people , why would you use a pronoun

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that would work as well. The original version is just more explicit.

[narrow pier]

ok thanks man

[olive sluice]

Was bedeutet hier „ein Stück weit“?

ein Stück weit schon schaut man da ein bisschen neidisch.

[long whale]

"a bit", "somewhat"

[narrow pier]

so the question was ( Welche Berufe sind für junge Menschen am interessantesten? ) and in the answr there was ( first place, second and last ) and always for the first and second it used the words ( sich begeistern and interessieren ) but i though since it said pick the most interesting it has to be one

[olive sluice]

Danke schön!

[narrow pier]

so the answrs are in the keywords right?

[long whale]

Generally speaking, yes. It's hard to understand what you were asking about, though. "sich für jemanden/etwas interessieren" = to be interested in so/sth; "sich für jemanden/etwas begeistern" = to be enthusiastic about so/sth :)

[narrow pier]

you mean in different contexts their meaning change??

the context was just , saying which jobs are more interesting or thrilling to boys and girls

[long whale]

Not really, no.

[narrow pier]

👍

[celest pollen]

Das Mittagessen schmeckte mir sehr gut✅

[long whale]

I think I'd rather say "sehr gut". 🤔

[narrow pier]

sie müssen nett sein ( does this make sense , its kinda mine )

i wanted to say they must be nice ( my colleagues)

[long whale]

Theoretically, you can use this for both "They have to be nice" and "I'm sure they're nice". In practice, you'd probably say something like "Sie sind bestimmt nett" if you mean the latter.

[next crane]

Why isn't Letzte used here?

Can someone explain the grammar please

[mellow nova]

der Montag -> akkusativ letzten Montag

http://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Zeit/Time.html

[next crane]

Why Akkusativ here? 🤔

[mellow nova]

the link I sent will explain that for you

it's a 'that's how it is' situation

[next crane]

[narrow pier]

oh thanks, the person was trying to say( my colleagues have to be nice, because I can not work with unfriendly collegues

[narrow pier]

.

hi does allewichtigste exist or was it the captions , fault

??

[dense obsidian]

allerwichtigste

[narrow pier]

thanks Ebaw

ok selbständig means to be self reliant, idk if it works in this context ( to need no ones help , all things can be handled by yourself )

but what if you wanna say ( We are a provine that is seeking independence )

[proven sphinx]

province?

[narrow pier]

idk what its called in english

[proven sphinx]

"independent" for countries/regions is always "unabhängig" in German.

[narrow pier]

is it used to say like ( financially stable )

[proven sphinx]

Stabile finanzielle Verhältnisse? I don't know.

Try to see if Google Translate/DeepL has something useful.

[narrow pier]

thanks , dude

[narrow pier]

it used Unabhängig

[proven sphinx]

Hmm.

"selbständiges Unternehmen" doesn't really make much sense to me, I think.

Ein unabhängiges Unternehmen?

I guess that might work.

[narrow pier]

but if you write somthing like ( financially stable ) the translator says( finanziell stabil )

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that makes sense.

[narrow pier]

i would go with the safe and easy ( stabil) but sorry ( is it stabile or stabil)

[proven sphinx]

"stabil" is the main form.

But you can put it into various cases or genders, of course.

[narrow pier]

[half bloom]

is das Gefängnis a prison like a building, and der Knast more of a concept, like a prison sentence?

[dense obsidian]

no, both are the building. Knast is informal though.

[half bloom]

ah ok, thanks

sie hat mir gesagt, dass ich den Müll rausbringen muss, aber ich wollte es sowieso machen

is this the correct use of sowieso

[dense obsidian]

yes

[half bloom]

what would be a good way to organise verbs?

just a few categories to make it easier to remember

but i would focus more on the similar meaning rather than more grammar categories (separable, reflexive, strong...)

[half arch]

regular - irregular - reflexive

Thats how I do it when I learn spanish

[long whale]

Mmm... Why ask when you already know what you want to do? 🤔

[half bloom]

i dont have any ideas about categories to put them in

[oak olive]

Wondering if anyone might be able to help....

I am trying to say that my Doctor said that everything is all good....but idk...I am not used to using multiple verbs in one sentence and not sure if its cool or how i should word it...

This is what i have: "Mein Artz hat gesagt dass alles ist gut."

[viral jolt]

Mein Arzt hat gesagt, dass alles gut ist; Verb am Ende. außerdem alles okay

[last bolt]

How do i translate
What kind of music would you like to hear?
Was für eine Musik möchten Sie hören?
Or should i remove eine from above

Or are both correct

[long meadow]

remove eine

and "Musik", not music

[last bolt]

But in some sentences i have seen "was für ein/eine"

In which kind of sentences should i remove ein

[long meadow]

eh ok just use it, u can say it too

[last bolt]

Ach so

Vielan Dank

[olive sluice]

Was bedeutet hier „anschreiben“?

Wenn ich meinen Geldbeutel mal vergessen habe, schreibt der Wirt meines Stammlokals meine Bierchen eben an.

[wise pendant]

Der Wirt schreibt sich die Anzahl Biere auf, sodass du sie nächstes mal bezahlst, wenn du wieder da bist. Also er schreibt dir die Schulden auf.

[olive sluice]

Danke :))

[mental jetty]

How did “Monsoon ist ein sanfter Hund” become correct, but “Monsoon ist einen sanften Hund” is incorrect?

Isn’t Monsoon the subject and hund is the direct object?

[mellow nova]

why would it be accusative

you should probably review what direct object means

both sides are the 'subject' since sein shows equivalence

same with 'to be' (the english equivalent)

[long whale]

The verb "sein/ist" takes Nominativ on both sides. :)

[mental jetty]

Ohhhh

So if I say “Monsoon hat einen sanften Hund”, it is correct?

Ok, danke schön

[delicate tiger]

(grammar yes, content no)

[long whale]

Why ever not? :D

[mental jetty]

Is „Sind Sie sicher, dass er der Vater Ihres Kindes ist?“ correct?

[long whale]

Yes.

[mental jetty]

Vielen Dank

[delicate tiger]

was soll denn ein "sanfter Hund" sein?

[long whale]

A non-aggressive dog. "ein sanfter Riese", "ein sanftes Tier", so why not "ein sanfter Hund"? See 1 b here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/sanft

[wise pendant]

Yes, but that combination of words is not used. At least I never heard anyone refer to a Hund as sanft.

[long whale]

You may not choose to say it, but "is not used" is a pretty global statement, isn't it? :)

[wise pendant]

I mean "in use" and "not in use" are the de facto definitions of natural vs unnatural use of language

[long whale]

Meaning you're the authority on the use of "sanft"? 🤔 Or did I get you wrong?

[wise pendant]

In my local colloquial German (Around Hannover) they would use other words in that kinda situation, thus making you sound less natural when using that word combination to me

[fervent kernel]

Der Spielplatz liegt in einer Senke

[thorn zodiac]

in the article im reading "Ausschreitungen" and "Krawalle" both translate to riots. Is this correct? if so why are there two different words?

[upper lynx]

Having two words for one thing is super common in any natural language(including english btw.). They are pretty similar words, mostly interchangable.

[mellow nova]

probably same reason english has riot, outcry, outrage, (civil) unrest, disturbance etc

[celest pollen]

Wie heißt es?

**unbedingt **- absolutely, absolute
**fast **- almost, nearly , most
**einfach **- just {adv} [simply]
**Besonders **– particulary, especially – szczególnie, przede wszystkim
**Tatsächlich **- actually, indeed [in truth],
**Eigentlich **- actually - właściwie, faktycznie
wortwörtlich - literally {adv} - dosłownie
**übrigens **- btw
**Eher **- rather, preferably
Was man eher normalerweise zu Freunden sagt.

all these terms, in grammatically

[undone verge]

what?

[celest pollen]

Just as we call "Personalpronomen"

Then what grammatical name can these words have

[mellow nova]

random loosely related adverbs

[crude heath]

ok one of the resources im using translates "that'll be 18 euros please" as "das wären dann achtzehn Euro bitte"

why the FUCK is it wären

doesn't that mean "would be?"

not "will be?"

this has been driving me crazy

is there a different word you could use there or does it have to be wären?

and if it has to be wären, WHY????

[half bloom]

i think if you used will be then it would mean that it is not 18 euros now, rather later

[mellow nova]

because it's polite

and it makes no actual sense to be future tense

[crude heath]

argh but it makes so much sense to be in future tense in english...

[mellow nova]

not rly

why is it 18 euros in the future

and not now

[crude heath]

well in english it's "that will be 18 euros please"

[mellow nova]

yes.. which is future tense

[crude heath]

EXACTLY!

[mellow nova]

?

[crude heath]

so why is it different in german????

😭

[mellow nova]

well i'll let you in on a secret you might've noticed

||german is not english||

[crude heath]

insane

bonkers

can't be true

it's just so unintuitive

like

if you said "that would be 18 euros" in english

that's implying that there's something stopping it from being 18 euros

and yet in german, it makes perfect sense to be said like that???

grrr

[radiant pilot]

K2= politeness

[upper lynx]

Another common way to say it would be "Das macht dann 18 Euro, bitte". It is just a different language.

[crude heath]

achso

das ergibt Sinn

danke

[novel jackal]

Adverbs

[novel jackal]

It doesn't have to be, no

[novel jackal]

XD true

[novel jackal]

But if you think about it, will makes little sense as well, if anything would make sense it's the present because you are paying right now...

[crude heath]

yeah a little while after Delli pointed it out i realised that

one of the cool things about learning another language is you realise how fucked up and stupid your native language is

[half bloom]

do people use gutaussehend

[upper lynx]

yup

[shut briar]

Is übergehen a correct translation for move on to

She decided she would discuss A later and instead moved on to B

[upper lynx]

Yeah, you could say "Sie hat sich dazu entschlossen A später zu diskutieren und ging zu B über", or something.

[hardy zinc]

Wann benutzt man "Präteritum"?

[wise pendant]

Meistens in Literatur

oder in einigen Wörtern in der Umgangssprache

[hardy zinc]

oh verstehe

[proven sphinx]

Mostly for "sein", "haben", "werden" and the modal verbs.

[hardy zinc]

Past tense of werden?

What's the ... meaning?

[proven sphinx]

What do you mean?

You use in the passive, for example.

Er wurde verhaftet.

[mellow nova]

they are thinking of werden as in the future tense auxiliary

[hardy zinc]

yeah XD

[mellow nova]

but werden on its own just means 'to become' so wurden would be 'became' (or used like the passiv sentence raven gave)

[hardy zinc]

I see

Yeah I didn't do passive yet

something beyond my level

Thanks anyway

[potent cloud]

Yeah there are a lot of people that confuse it in the beginning and think it literally just means ''will''

[deep vapor]

Nichts fühlt sich besser an, als mit X etwas letztendlich zu erreichen. Dazu gehört auch, die darauf folgende Erklärung zu Kommilitonen und Familie außerhalb des Bereichs.

Does that sound okay?

Im basically describing how great it feels to do X-Niche. And following any achievement is the then necessary explanation to family and friends

or Zum Gefühl gehört auch, ...

[oak olive]

Danke! it looks great now lol, my problem was the second conjunctive sentence and the verb placement....forgot the comma which would have made it easier to see.

Appreciate the response.

[cursive rain]

"Ich habe vor, zwei Monate in Portugal und drei in Spanien zu bleiben"
Does that sentence sound natural? Can I omit "Monate" instead of repeating it?

[swift bough]

"bleiben" is not the appropriate verb here

you would use "verbringen"

and yes you do not need to say Monate twice

once is perfectly fine and actually more natural

I mean "bleiben" isn't necessarily wrong but I guess it's just used in another situation and I assumed you meant as in like a vacation so I would use verbringen

"bleiben" I guess almost just sounds more...forced? like there is something keeping you from leaving basically. but since you said "ich habe vor" you obviously plan exactly how long you're staying, which is why I would use verbringen

[cursive rain]

I seeeee

Maybe it's for work

Maybe the feds are after me

But for vacations definitely verbringen

[swift bough]

@cursive rain you can use the word verbringen outside the context of vacation as well, but just seems way less common to me

but is possible

[cursive rain]

I learned it as "spend time"

[swift bough]

yes that's what it means

but then you need it to actually say "Zeit verbringen"

[cursive rain]

Alles was ich will, ist bei dir (Zeit/Weinacht) verbringen

[swift bough]

it's more like just "spend" because you can for example say "Ich habe den ganzen Sommer in Europa verbracht"

which would usually imply you spent the time there intentionally

whereas if you say "Ich bin den ganzen Sommer dort geblieben" it's not necessarily intentional

it could also be that you're trying to stay or get away from something in which case either verb would make sense

[last bolt]

Is möchte and hätte gern the same basically like can i swap them in the below sentence
Ich möchte/hätte gern ein Stück Pizza bitte

[fervent kernel]

does ‘Du musst die Tür aufmachen’ become ‘Mach die Tür auf’ in imperative form?

[swift bough]

yep

[junior flame]

How to say this in german: "There is no dancing on Sundays"
Should we say: "Es gibt kein Tanzen sonntags" oder "Sonntags wird nicht getanzt."
If 2nd one is correct, why do we use passive here?

[thorn zodiac]

The first one would be negating the noun and be something like "no dances on sunday". Ich bin nicht sicher, ob der letze Satz korrekt ist

[potent cloud]

||der Satz;)||

[hardy zinc]

Sind diese korrekt?

1. Das Zimmer der/einer Studentin ist klein
2. Die Kamera des/eines Reporteres ist teuer
3. Der Verkäufer des/eines Ladenes ist freundlich
4. Die Ende der/einer Geschichte ist traurig
5. Der Garten des/eines Professores ist groß
6. Das Gepäck der Gäste ist schwer
7. Die Waschmachine der Eva ist kaputt
8. Das Wasser des/eines Flusses ist schmuztig
9. Die Lage des/eines Hauses ist günstig

[potent cloud]

The second one is just a grammar phenomenon with the passive voice, you can see here

[thorn zodiac]

good resource I like. Ich werde es stehlen

[potent cloud]

1. ✅
2. check Genitiv form
3. same as 2
   4.check gender of Ende
4. same as 2
5. ✅
6. To say der Eva is not necessarily wrong,but it is really dialectal. You can hear it in the South I think, they put articles before names.. But I advise you to change it, it is not standard. You can say von + Name. Or Evas. Careful, no apostrophe in german, yeah?
   8.small typo
   9.Correct grammatically, but I don't know if it makes sense.

[hardy zinc]

2, 3, 5 - what's wrong with those forms? Here's the table I use: https://ru.easy-deutsch.de/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Deklination-Genitiv.png

7. Oh, I see

yeah

4. thanks

[mellow nova]

you don't add -es to every single noun in Genitiv

only single syllable masc/neuter nouns

multi syllabic masc/neuter nouns just take -s when possible

[hardy zinc]

I see

2. Die Kamera des/eines Reporters ist teuer
3. Der Verkäufer des/eines Ladens ist freundlich
4. Der Garten des/eines Professors ist groß

Thanks!

[radiant pilot]

ok i'm a bit stupid

where is the small typo in 8.?

[wise pendant]

tz

[radiant pilot]

[celest pollen]

Ich kann nicht mit das alles schaffen
I can not manage with all this
✅ ❌ ?>

[undone verge]

doesn't look right to me

but I don't understand what exactly you want to get across even in english, so I can't suggest anything

[mellow nova]

do you mean like 'with all this (generally gesturing in front of you)'?

bc otherwise I don't think that makes sense even in English

[celest pollen]

ye

[mellow nova]

well your sentence is definitely not correct, maybe
Ich schaffe das alles nicht

[undone verge]

that would work for 'I can't manage all of this'

[mellow nova]

i think the context is being lost on me

like 'I can't manage under these conditions'? I don't really know what we're translating ngl

[undone verge]

yeah I also have no clue. Do you mean that you're annoyed/distracted by outside factors and can't concentrate?

[celest pollen]

For example, I just have a lot on my mind, ( cleaning, cooking, etc ) and I say this

[cursive stirrup]

"Ich habe viel zu tun" could work

[mellow nova]

Ich kann nicht mit allem fertig werden

[cursive stirrup]

eher mit alldem

liegt vlt aber auch an meinem akzent xD

[undone verge]

aufgrund der sich anhäufenden Haushaltspflichten kann ich nicht klar denken. 🙏

[mellow nova]

what a mouthful

[undone verge]

hehe

[cursive stirrup]

Joa, klingt gut

Satzanfang großschreiben tho

😂

[mellow nova]

too many emojis

[undone verge]

ja sie häufen sich an, oder? 👀

[cursive stirrup]

ja

xD

[mellow nova]

[undone verge]

ich kann nicht mehr klar denken.

[mellow nova]

well now I won't ever forget that verb i guess

so there's that

[fervent kernel]

Du hast Alkohol getrunken?

[last bolt]

How can i say
I watered the plants in my garden

Whats the best verb for it i looked on leo.org and there are so many options

[mellow nova]

gießen

but conjugate accordingly

[last bolt]

Natürlich

[junior moth]

Sorry if this is a weird question but for my final German project I have two different sections: write about your life at [the university i'm at] and also write about "deine Schulzeit" in past perfect. Problem is... I really dont know what the difference between these two would be and I'm not sure what specifically "deine Schulzeit" refers to? Is it like the whole time you've been a student (from kindergarten to college) or would it refer to something more specific? I kind of don't want to ask my teacher right now as she has a really bad case of COVID and I don't want to bother her if I don't have to :/

[undone verge]

Student = Uni
Schüler = Schule
your 'Schulzeit' is the time you spent at school before uni

that's why they're asking you to write about it in the past tense

[mellow nova]

isn't it more common to use Studierend- now for uni students for like inclusiveness or something

[undone verge]

idk...Student*innen is inclusive

Mitstudierende is a term I hear a lot at uni. Studierende too. But I think 'Student/Studentin' is still a common word

[junior moth]

Thanks! :D That's really helpful

[mellow nova]

wait she wants you to write that section exclusively in past perfect..? That's... odd

[undone verge]

I assumed it was a typo. I'm sure the assignment says present perfect?

[mellow nova]

would definitely make more sense

[junior moth]

ahh you're right! It does refer to the present perfect (it just says "im Perfekt" though). I always get confused with that as the present perfect refers to the past not the present despite the name lol. I knew what it refered to I just called it by the wrong thing I guess

[mellow nova]

Perfekt = present perfect
Plusquamperfekt = past perfect (or pluperfect if that helps you remember it better)

^^

[mellow nova]

i didnt ask for a political spiel but thanks anyways i suppose

[dense obsidian]

well you said it's more common but it's actually not. just wanted to get the facts correct.

[plain umbra]

@dense obsidian Please keep the politics out of questions channels. If you want to say it's less common, that's fine, but leave out the political commentary.

[dense obsidian]

didn't mean to offend anyone, i just don't like fake news. sorry.

[undone verge]

damnit i miss all the fun political spiels

[frank kraken]

Can you say: "Es ist ein kurzes Lesen", when you are referring to a book? Or does "Es ist ein kurzes Buch" sound better?

Like in English, you can say "The Call of the Wild by Jack London is a short read," or "a quick read" (ein schnelles Lesen?) instead of "a short book."

[mellow nova]

the noun is die Lektüre (which does not mean the same as its false cognate in English 'lecture')

[frank kraken]

Oh I see

thank youu

[fervent kernel]

How would I do a simile in german

like saying 'she looks like she does football'

[mellow nova]

normally so...wie or just wie but this sentence is a little more complicated

[undone verge]

that's not even a simile, is it?

[mellow nova]

maybe if you changed it to 'she looks like someone who would play football'? It's been a hot minute

[dense obsidian]

Sie sieht aus, als spiele sie Fußball.

[fervent kernel]

Does Deutschland literally translate to the land of the people who speak German?

[mellow nova]

no it comes from much older words that would translate into something like 'the people's land'

[pure mountain]

Doesn't most languages have that common origin when it comes about the etymology of their own nationality?

I bet most just means "our people's land'

It's interesting though

[hardy zinc]

Does this make sense?
"Ich mache es statt der Hausaufgabe"

[fervent kernel]

statt die Hausaufgabe

[hardy zinc]

Don't we need genetiv?

With statt

[fervent kernel]

^

[hardy zinc]

So "Ich mache es anstatt der Hausaufgabe" or "Ich mache es statt die Hausaufgabe?"

Do they have the same meaning?

And what Kasus do we use in the second sentence?

Aha

So how do you use statt?