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[proven sphinx]

It must have been some really bad translator then. DeepL has much better suggestions.

I'd go for "Schuhe in litierter Auflage", since that's what I hear most often.

[acoustic breach]

Hello!

"I dont know how far i have achieved in german" (as in how much i progressed)

Ich weiß nicht, wie weit ich in(?) Deutsch erreicht habe.

Is the translation correct ? Especially the preposition

[night dagger]

würde eher sagen: ich weiß nicht, wie viel Fortschritt ich im Deutschen gemacht hab.

[acoustic breach]

Ah klingt besser.
Danke!

[kind knoll]

Btw when you are talking about languages you’d use auf

When the language is a noun

Ich spreche auf Deutsch

But when it’s an adjective you use in

[night dagger]

nicht immer

aber ich sollte „im Deutschen“ gesagt auf jeden Fall

[night dagger]

sorry, ich hätte „im Deutschen“ sagen sollen

[hushed spade]

I would say "....wie viel Fortschritt...."

[night dagger]

wäre sinnvoller ja

danke

wie auf Englisch

[hushed spade]

"Fortschritte" feels more like the specific steps and "Fortschritt" kind of feels more like it means the whole thing

[swift bough]

@night dagger „Fortschritt“ also literally means „step“ btw if that helps. You wouldn’t say „look how many steps I’ve taken in German“

I mean you wouldn’t say „step“ either, but the singular form Fortschritt also means „progress“

[hushed spade]

Yeah, thats a way better explanation 👍

[swift bough]

You also wouldn’t say „look how many progresses I’ve made“

So it’s the same in German

[hushed spade]

Although @swift bough are you sure "Fortschritt" means "step" .... bcs I would never use "Fortschritt" as "step"

[night dagger]

Schritt, ne?

[hushed spade]

yeah

[swift bough]

The reason I say that is in English, „step“ and „progress“ can sort of be used like synonymous. It doesn’t mean „step“ like Schritt, it means like progress.

It’s just a way you could translate it, if that makes sense, since they are sort of synonymous in English

[hushed spade]

So like "I took a step in the right direction" ?

[swift bough]

Yes

Like

[hushed spade]

alright

[swift bough]

im übertragenen Sinne

Does that make sense? I think it does 😂

[hushed spade]

No no, totally makes sense

[vapid egret]

Interesting. "Im Deutschen" sounds very weird to me, what's the reason why you say it that way and not "in Deutsch"?

[swift bough]

im Deutschen is a perfectly normal thing to say

[pure walrus]

How to say "barely" on german.

[swift bough]

kaum

Generally

But could be a few other things depending on context

[vapid egret]

Oh yeah I didn't claim it wasn't normal, I meant I don't understand the use of the form

Is it a substantivized adjective?

[swift bough]

Yea

It is actually

You can also say „ins Deutsche“ for example

ins Deutsche übersetzen

[vapid egret]

i see, thanks

[nimble thicket]

Hi everyone

[versed wasp]

which format do Germans use for (for an hour) ?!
1- für eine Stunde
2- eine Stunde lang

[wise pendant]

Both

[night dagger]

„im Deutschen“ wäre allgemeiner, also nicht ganz „auf Deutsch“, aber „im Deutschen“ wäre ne allgemeiner Bezeichnung für die Deutschsprache. irgendwie würde ich „im Deutschen gibt es vier Fälle“ statt „auf Deutsch gibt es vier Fälle“ bevorzugen, aber beides wohl passt.

[long whale]

I agree "im Deutschen" would be correct here. :)

[versed wasp]

can you explain the difference ?!

[wise pendant]

There is nothing to explain. The difference imo solely lies in the concrete contexts one evolved to being preferred over the other

[long whale]

"for an hour" = eine Stunde [lang] :)

You could not say ich habe für eine Stunde gewartet :)

[wise pendant]

In some situations "Kannst du mir für eine Stunde mal helfen" works but "Kannst du mir eine Stunde lang helfen" would come across slightly different, while "eine Stunde lang" has also contexts in which it just works and ones, where it does not. As I said
@long whale

[slim yew]

what is the difference between

der Fernseher and das Fernsehen

[wise pendant]

the device vs the concept

[long whale]

And why wouldn't "Kannst Du mir eine Stunde lang helfen" work? :D

[slim yew]

so Fernseher is the television itself

[wise pendant]

it has a different ring to it

[wise pendant]

yep

[wise pendant]

but yeah it works

[fervent kernel]

Is it true you can't use 'geworden' and that you should only use 'worden' as a past participle of 'werden'?

For example, 'ich bin Aerzt worden' instead of 'ich bin Aerzt geworden'.

[long whale]

No, no, some misunderstanding there. This wouldn't work at all. You'd have to say "Ich bin Arzt geworden" (Please note spelling of "Arzt")

[fervent kernel]

Ah. I thought it had umlauts.

Does 'worden' exist in any context?

[long whale]

"werden/geworden" has the meaning of "to become" here, that's why you'd have to use the correct past participle: geworden.

[wise pendant]

The plural has

[long whale]

You're thinking of Passiv: Er ist überfallen worden (He was mugged)

[fervent kernel]

It was mentioned on a lesson about the passive but it also said to never use 'geworden' so I thought never meant not in any context. I see.

Thank you. :3

[kind knoll]

why not er ist überfallen geworden here?

[long whale]

If you read the rest of the converstion, I think it will become clear. ;)

The past participle of "werden", when it means "to become" is "geworden". In a passive sentence, you can't use "geworden". :)

[cunning pecan]

ist diese Einleitung gut?

das ist die Grafik.

[long whale]

2 errors: die wichtigste - what? There is nothing this could refer to in the previous sentence, see? - 2000 can either be written in numbers, or as zweitausend. 2 tausend does not work. :)

[cunning pecan]

thank you, susana

[fast lotus]

hi

any tips on how i could learn german from the ground up?

i don't know anything about german and currently im just trying to translate dw headlines and contexts into english one by one to atleast get something going but is it the right thing to do?

i've been also trying to use the drilling technique to memorise some stuff

i'm 2 days into this

[noble yacht]

Hello! Have a look at #getting-started ^^ there are a lot of useful advices.

[fast lotus]

thx

[dusty sleet]

hey everyone hows it going?

[kind knoll]

Hey

[glossy cosmos]

Hey

[celest pollen]

Are this sentences sound strange?

If i dont use a Prateritum when i speaking with someone sometimes ?

Ich habe viel Glück gehabt.

Vs

„Ich hatte viel Glück.

[noble yacht]

Both sound normal, there is no issue ^^

[celest pollen]

because I read that it just sounds better prateritum than perfekt and it's better to use prateritum as you can

but I guess if I'm a beginner, I won't get into it and get my head around it

[noble yacht]

No worries! You can use both. Each one sounds perfect ^^

[silent stratus]

Second Sounds better

[bronze sparrow]

[This is in the south of germany]
in germany in gernerally you use the perfect when you are talking and you use the präteritum when you are writing.
So i perfer in a conversation "Ich habe viel Glück gehabt"

But there is no rule to do that

[celest pollen]

I have heard that it is divided

• In the north of Germany, Preteritum is more often and more readily used

-in southern Germany the Perfect tense is more popular

[bronze sparrow]

I am from Bavaria, the south 😉

But there is also our very nice dialect 😂

[whole portal]

Good one

[whole portal]

Präteritum is only used with a few verbs in spoken language, really

Wikipedia lists „haben“, „sein“, „wissen“, „heißen“, „finden“ (im Sinne von „empfinden“), „denken“ und die Modalverben

Idfk what Modalverben are but yea

[night dagger]

sehen würde ich hinzufügen

[mellow nova]

dürfen können etc

[whole portal]

Ich kam, sah und siegte. .-.

[night dagger]

sah ist kein modalverb

Wow

[mellow nova]

ohhh do germans say that too?

[whole portal]

But no, I don't think people actually say Ich sah.

[mellow nova]

or did you just translate it

[whole portal]

Well it's also used in its original latin form which I will probably fuck up but let me try to recollect-

Veni, vidi, vici?

[mellow nova]

also I've definitely heard some germans use 'sah' specifically for aussehen

idk about regular sehen

[whole portal]

Alright yea, I can see that, true

[night dagger]

ich hab bei Muttersprachlern „sah“ mehrmals gehört

[whole portal]

"Er sah gut aus."

Just important to differentiate between sehen and aussehen here.

[kind knoll]

Präteritum is mostly used in written German

[whole portal]

That is correct

[kind knoll]

God I love this language

[night dagger]

das kennen wir ja, wir reden über die Ausnahmen

[whole portal]

"Der Hirte trug die gleiche schlichte braune Kutte wie Fürsorger Heath, aber in seinen Gemächern zeigte sich ein Luxus, der Dorns Vorstellungskraft überstieg."

Just quoting the next best sentence from my book and all 3 verbs in it are 🤷‍♀️

[night dagger]

würde wohl „fand“/„fände“ auch hinzufügen

[night dagger]

nicht so üblich als „sah“, aber ich hab‘s gehört/gesehen

[night dagger]

im Sinne von „empfinden“ wäre anders ne?

[whole portal]

Empfinden ist doch ein völlig anderes Verb? 🤔

[night dagger]

vielleicht verstehe ich es nicht

muss googeln

ja, die sind doch anders

[fervent hollow]

Is this sentence right? rückblickend schien ich daß ich unverschämt war

[mellow nova]

daß hasn't been correct for 32 years

[fervent hollow]

Habit after reading too much old fashioned German literature

Close enough

[whole portal]

Wouldn't you make a Plusquamperfekt out of the second thing

Rückblickend schien es, dass ich unverschämt gewesen war.

[night dagger]

es ist doch schon Plusquamperfekt, ne?

[whole portal]

Huh?

"ich war unverschämt"

That's Präteritum if I'm not completely asleep yet

[night dagger]

ah shit

ich hatte "scheint" gelesen

Rückblickend scheint es, dass ich unverschämt war. wäre Plusquamperfekt, oder?

manchmal sind die grammatikalischen Bezeichnungen schwieriger als die eigentliche Sprache

[mellow nova]

unverschämt is an adjective, so no it's not

[olive sluice]

Was bedeutet hier „Leistung“?

Die grauen Zellen im Gehirn können nur Kohlenhydrate in Leistung umsetzen, also keine gespeicherten Fette oder Protein, sondern nur Kohlenhydrate aus Getreide, wie Brot oder Müsli.

[fervent kernel]

Is duolingo effective?

[swift bough]

faq Duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[long whale]

power, output, energy - try using a dictionary. :)

[unique dune]

Rückblickend scheint es, dass ich unverschämt gewesen war

[ancient pulsar]

Ich möchte ihm ein Lied singen.
Ich möchte ein Lied für ihn singen.
Just to make sure, the difference between these sentences are just like the one below right?
I want to sing her a song
I want to sing a song for her

[long whale]

Just to make sure: ihm/für ihn = him/for him :) Yes, that's correct. Please note "jemandem ein Lied singen" is very dated/uncommon. :)

[ancient pulsar]

Yh my bad, i knew the translation for ihn ihm but was a bit in a hurry

And i will note that

Thanks

[celest pollen]

Ich stelle immer mein Auto neben den Supermarkt ✅ ❌

[noble yacht]

Ich stelle mein Auto immer neben den Supermarkt

^^

[scenic drift]

Den or dem here?

[civic totem]

you can say the first too, but nobody would really use that

[long whale]

den dem Why did you ask? 🤔

[long whale]

No. Not possible. "stellen" = movement -> Akkusativ :)

[scenic drift]

I get confused with neben, sometimes 😆 den because stellen

[celest pollen]

den - akkusativ - motion

but I'm as happy as a baby to get those prepositions

Now I just have them in my head

[civic totem]

Oh, I meant that it is possible to say Ich stelle immer mein Auto neben den Supermarkt

[celest pollen]

Die Kinder essen ihr Brot mit Marmelade

btw i translate texts
and im wondering

Why "ihr Brot"

They eat THIER bread with marmalade

[long whale]

Die Kinder essen Brot mit Marmelade would also work.

[celest pollen]

ok but what does ihr refer to
how to explain it "grammatically"

because bread is "Der Brot"
children Die Kinder and then I don't know why ihr

[scenic drift]

The children, plural, right?

[celest pollen]

ok i find a beispiel in my table

[civic totem]

its das Brot

[celest pollen]

sadge Pons said r.m in my langueage - der

[scenic drift]

Doesn’t this mean chleb is masculine?

[celest pollen]

yes

[scenic drift]

It’s telling you the gender of the polish word, not the German one

[celest pollen]

aaaa

[scenic drift]

Also, „dzieci jedzą swój chleb” - same thing :)

[celest pollen]

ok ich verstehe allesss

🥰

[noble yacht]

ich schreibe Ihnen,
leider Herrn YZ
Ich war gestern
, dass sich der Fehler
@azure sandal

[fervent kernel]

What's the point of ß

[mellow nova]

What's the point of C?

[coarse meteor]

ss?

[upper ember]

Ist versmachten ein sehr gehobenes Verb?

[olive sluice]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

You mean "verschmachten"? Yes!

[upper ember]

ja, dat wilde ik toch zeggen maar had aan het woord versmachten gedacht

[olive sluice]

Gibt es die gleiche Verwendung wie „bekommen+PII“?

Das änderte sich allerdings, als die Skeptiker Dopamin verabreicht bekamen.

[long whale]

It's one of the Ersatzpassiv forms - if that was your question. ;)

[upper ember]

Hast du denn Zeit? Bei solcher einen Frage wird immer die Ungeduld wegen des Wortchens "denn" ausgedrückt?

[long whale]

*Bei so einer Frage OR Bei einer solchen Frage OR Bei solch einer Frage - No. In this case, "denn" adds a touch of surprise. :)

[olive sluice]

Ach so! Verstehe, Danke!

[narrow pier]

Hallo ich habe eine frage

Do you know anyone who does stand up comedy in german, good ones, and any actor who's like funny,

I think its so effectiv for learning german while you're laughing

?

[long whale]

You'd probably be better off asking about this in a channel like #general But please be aware humour often doesn't translate well, and Germans in particular are quite famous for their lack of humour. :)

[fallow ledge]

There are the Ladykracher skits theyre snappy but funny

Also very short

Also be aware that comedy is notorious hard for learners, lots of jokes are plays on words and require a lot more knowledge than just whats said

Edited: also contextual knowledge of the country the standup is from

[swift bough]

Isn’t „bei solch einer Frage“ also possible?

[long whale]

Yup. :)

[swift bough]

Just wanted to make sure I wasn’t tripping

[long whale]

Post edited accordingly. ;)

[narrow pier]

Ok danke

[narrow pier]

👍

[proven sphinx]

It used to be much more pointless than it is now. After the orthography reform of 1996, it's now a good way to distinguish between short and long vowels.

Compare "Massen" (short vowel) with "Maßen" (long vowel).

[jovial valve]

how i suppose to know where i should use "zu" oder "auch" it is so confuse!
like here
Ich komme auch aus Deutschland.
i came from germany too
why we do not use zu?

[gritty hill]

auch stands for also

Ich komme auch aus Deutschland

I also come from Germany.

Correct me if I am wrong

plus u r using duolingo right?

[jovial valve]

ya xd

[jovial valve]

oh i see ya

[fervent kernel]

What makes “unser” become “unseren” when placed with Hund

As in “Ich habe unseren Hund”?

[long whale]

faq Akkusativ

[stoic mauve]

Accusative

The accusative case (der Akkusativ) is one of the four cases of the German language. A case affects how a noun or noun phrase is inflected, and indicates the role of the noun or noun phrase in a clause.

How do I decline in the accusative case?

Feminine and neuter nouns and adjectives are the same as nominative. Masculine determiners, adjectives, and weak nouns gain an -en ending::

Ich esse den/einen/keinen kleinen Apfel.

Personal pronouns differ for:

ich --> mich
du --> dich
er --> ihn
wir --> uns
ihr --> euch

For a full explanation see >explain adjective declension

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[long whale]

^

[fervent kernel]

Also, why does “its” change when referring to a dog or a cat?”

“Der Hund trinkt sein Wasser”
“Die Katze trinkt ihr Wasser”

[long whale]

der (masculine) -> sein/his

vs.

die (feminine) -> ihr/her

[fervent kernel]

Ohhhh

Danke schön

@long whale Could you also tell me the difference between “diese” “dieser” “dieses” and “diesen”?

Sorry for asking so much 😅

[long whale]

Look at the very last letter: die -> diese (yeah, it works for the others as well). Then read the faq on Akkusativ. :)

[fervent kernel]

Oh ok

That makes a lot of sense

Der -> Dieser
Die -> Diese
Das -> Dieses
Den -> Diesen

[azure smelt]

Could you please correct my mistakes?
Hallo Herr Dr. Scholz,
vielen Dank für Ihre Zeit, mir zu antworten.
Ich bin Joseph und bin 24 Jahre alt. Ich studiere Zahnmedizin an der Fakultät für Zahnmedizin in Kmrs.
Dies ist ein Praktikumsprogramm und wir könnten ein Praktikum im Ausland von mindestens 2 Monaten machen.
Ich liebe die deutsche Kultur sehr und möchte mein Deutsch wirklich verbessern. Ich bin wissbegierig, meistere gerne Herausforderungen und möchte Sie in der Klinik unterstützen. Ich habe Kenntnisse in Vorbereitungen der Instrumente, Patientenaufklärung, Hygieneverfahren anwenden, Desinfektion Unterstützung bei der Mundpflege, Röntgenmanagement. Diese Fähigkeiten habe ich mir während meines Studiums und eines Kurzpraktikums in einer Zahnklinik angeeignet. In der oralen Radiologie haben wir die Anamnese der Patienten aufgenommen und die Röntgenbilder untersucht und in der Parodontologie haben wir grundlegende Zahnsteinbehandlungen durchgeführt und Patienten im Universitätsklinikum mündlich aufgeklärt.
Für Ihren Komfort, ich möchte Ihnen und Ihrem Team bei der Assistenz am Behandlungsstuhl, der Vorbereitung von Behandlungsräumen und der Desinfektion helfen. Ich werde versuchen, mich in der Klinik so gut wie möglich auf Deutsch zu verständigen. Ich möchte zwischen Juli und September ein zweimonatiges Praktikum in Ihrer Klinik machen. Ich verlange für meine Arbeit auch keine Bezahlung.
Ich habe versucht, im Detail zu klären, wenn Sie irgendwelche Fragen haben, lassen Sie es mich bitte wissen.
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Sie mir mitteilen, ob eine Zusammenarbeit mit mir möglich ist.

[bronze sparrow]

Could you please correct my mistakes?
Hallo Herr Dr. Scholz,
vielen Dank für Ihre Zeit, mir zu antworten.
Ich bin Joseph und bin 24 Jahre alt. Ich studiere Zahnmedizin an der Fakultät für Zahnmedizin in Kmrs. [I dont know this place but if you know it is ok]
Dies ist ein Praktikumsprogramm und wir könnten ein Praktikum im Ausland von mindestens 2 Monaten machen.
Ich liebe die deutsche Kultur sehr und möchte mein Deutsch wirklich verbessern. Ich bin wissbegierig, meistere gerne Herausforderungen und möchte Sie in der Klinik unterstützen. Ich habe Kenntnisse in Vorbereitungen der Instrumente, Patientenaufklärung, Hygieneverfahren anwenden [i wound use „Anwendung von Hygieneverfahren“, yours is not well in this context] , Desinfektion **,**Unterstützung bei der Mundpflege und **[when you count more things, you wirte „und“ before the last] **Röntgenmanagement. Diese Fähigkeiten habe ich mir während meines Studiums und eines Kurzpraktikums in einer Zahnklinik angeeignet. In der oralen Radiologie haben wir die Anamnese der Patienten durchgeführt und die Röntgenbilder untersucht und [Maybe here a dot, then start with „Außerdem haben wir in der Parodo…..durchgeführt und…..] in der Parodontologie haben wir grundlegende Zahnsteinbehandlungen durchgeführt und Patienten im Universitätsklinikum mündlich aufgeklärt.
Für Ihren Komfort, möchte ich [switch subject and verb] Ihnen und Ihrem Team bei der Assistenz am Behandlungsstuhl, der Vorbereitung von Behandlungsräumen und der Desinfektion helfen. Ich werde versuchen, mich in der Klinik so gut wie möglich auf Deutsch zu verständigen. Ich möchte zwischen Juli und September ein zweimonatiges Praktikum in Ihrer Klinik machen. Ich verlange für meine Arbeit auch keine Bezahlung.
Ich habe versucht, im Detail zu klären, wenn Sie irgendwelche Fragen haben, lassen Sie es mich bitte wissen. [Maybe just „Wenn sie noch fragen haben, lassen sie mich es wissen“]
Ich würde mich sehr freuen, wenn Sie mir m……

The rest is ok, but there was the limit of 2000 words 😅

@azure smelt

** ‼️If you have ANY questions about my edits, please ask**

Words and vocabs are good 👍

[azure smelt]

Thank you

[reef kiln]

What would this translate to in English?
Seit ich außerhalb wohne, gehe ich weniger weg.
[To me it literally reads "Since I live outside, I go out less." But I don't know "outside" of what, or what "go out" implies...]

[kind knoll]

they both mean literally what they say

I'm assuming English isn't your first language?

Go out = to hang out, go on a walk, doing any activity outside

And outside doesn't need to be specified in most cases

but in this case it means outside of the house

[reef kiln]

Yes English is not my first language, but even interpreting the part about going out correctly (to have fun etc), the sentence was hard to understand for me. Thank you! 🙂

[long whale]

"außerhalb" = outside of the city/town, i.e. in a neighbouring village or a suburb. :)

@kind knoll

[reef kiln]

Oh that makes a lot of sense. Thank you!

[fervent kernel]

How do I say box in German? I found 15 words for it on Google Translate

[silent stratus]

Box

[whole portal]

Box, Kiste

[fervent kernel]

What about those 13 other words then?

[silent stratus]

What are those words

[swift bough]

It depends on what kind of box I think I mean for example „Koffer“ could theoretically be loosely translated as box, but it’s much closer to „suitcase“ in meaning.

A dictionary typically lists all possible translations, not only the most common translations

So it also lists more rare translations or less likely ones

Kasten and Behälter are also pretty common words

It’s tricky because it’s all context based

[whole portal]

Probably some other words that can mean box in another context lol

like there's to box

[long whale]

There was probably "die Schachtel" among them, which is pretty common for any kind of small-ish carton, like the ones you buy cereal or soap or pills in.

Or chocolates.

[kind knoll]

and cigars

[long whale]

"die Kiste, die Zigarrenkiste" is what those are mostly sold in (because it's got a hinged lid). ;)

Perhaps you were thinking of "Zigarettenschachtel"?

[stray basin]

is it common to say circa in Germany?
circa, as in, approximately

[noble yacht]

Yeah, it is ^^

[lunar mesa]

Hello! I was wondering what exactly "gern" is? The classes I took said the word has no meaning but I have read that it is used to say you are glad to do something.

[acoustic breach]

Beispiele:
Ich koche gern: I like to cook
Du liest gern: you like to read
Er macht gern Fotos: he likes to take photos
Wir spazieren gern im Park: we like to walk in the park

[lunar mesa]

danke!

[warm sage]

It seems like we don't say "Ich habe "..." gesagt." in German?

Wait what.

Can anyone explain this?

[acoustic breach]

This is the Präteritum form

[acoustic breach]

This is perfekt form

[warm sage]

Ohh I see, so are they any different?

Like do we have to use them depend on the situation?

[acoustic breach]

Both have the same meanings

But Präteritum are usually used in novels, books, newspapers etc

Spoken German, emails, text messages etc uses perfekt
.

But for some verbs (brauchen, sein, haben, modal verben, and wissen) usually uses the Präteritum even in spoken language

.
In short, both forms mean totally the same, but used in different situations

[warm sage]

I see.

Thanks for that, one more question tho.

Can I use "Ich habe "Ich möchte Deutsch sprechen" gesagt"?

[acoustic breach]

Im no expert. I think it is grammatically correct but usually we would say "ich habe gesagt, dass ich Deutsch sprechen möchte".

[warm sage]

Oh so people normally use reported speech?

[acoustic breach]

Or
Ich habe gesagt, ich möchte Deutsch sprechen

[acoustic breach]

Hmm i dont think i could answer that xD

[warm sage]

aight ok.

[warm sage]

I need one more example to be exactly sure, is "Ich habe gesagt, ich habe Wasser trinken." correct?

[acoustic breach]

Habe Wasser getrunken*

Yes

[warm sage]

Oh thanks for that!

Now that's all clear.

[hushed spade]

Ich habe gesagt: „Ich möchte Deutsch sprechen“ .... So funktioniert das, soweit ich mich erinnern kann... wir haben dieses Thema(Wörtliche Rede) mal in der Schule gelernt.

@warm sage

[warm sage]

Is there any other way to say that? For example "Ich habe gesagt, ich möchte Deutsch sprechen" like Kevin say?

[hushed spade]

Hmm I'm not sure, maybe🤷‍♂️

[warm sage]

Hmm how do you usually say it then?

[swift bough]

Google translate is horrible xD

[hushed spade]

Like Kevin said but with "" ... but if you want to be as correct as possible you should do it like I did

[swift bough]

I mean it translated the first one fine but the second one sounds unnatural

[swift bough]

you’re confusing Konj II with Konj I

Only Konj I is reported speech

Not Konj II

[warm sage]

damn it, now I have to see what Konj I and II is.

[swift bough]

To be fair Konj II is a lot more simple imo

Also way more common in actual speech

„möchten“ is Konj II of „mögen“

[warm sage]

hmm, can you explain what Konj I and II are?

[swift bough]

To put it as simply as possible:
-Konjunktiv I = reported speech
-Konjunktiv II = deals with wished or hoped-for things and theoretical situations

[warm sage]

Ach so...

I just had a read on Konjunktiv I, it's kinda confusing for me lol.

[acoustic breach]

But Konjunktiv 1 is rarely used in spoken german

And one learns it in B2 or C1, im not sure, but not below B2

[warm sage]

I see.

[swift bough]

I thought you were introduced to it in B1?

I think you just review it again in B2

From what I’ve heard

I mean I didn’t really learn German by level so I don’t know for certain

[acoustic breach]

I had B1 and B2.1 (i didnt do B2.2) in Goethe but we didnt haave Konjunktiv 1. I only learned it myself online

[swift bough]

Weird. I heard from another learner they learned it initially in B1 and then reviewed it again in B2. Maybe it depends on what program you use to learn

[acoustic breach]

Just to confirm
Konjunktiv 1: ich sei, du seist?

[long whale]

I just got curious and had a look at https://kapitel-zwei.de/en/course-content/ (which looks pretty solid) and K1 appears in B2.2 - which makes sense and would explain why Kelvin never came across it.

[final marlin]

Ich bin müde Bruder. Mach etwas. 😪

[acoustic breach]

Wie sagt man "i am serious" (dass ich gerade keinen Witz mache) auf Deutsch?

Geht "ich bin ernst/ernsthaft/seriös"?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich meine das ernst"

[acoustic breach]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

how do you call your son's wife in German? Is there a word for that or is it just "Tochter"?

[long whale]

die Schwiegertochter (Schwieger... = -in-law)

[fervent kernel]

got it, thanks

[tawdry matrix]

"I brush my teeth and dress up" in deutsch?

Translation in google translate is sus

[long whale]

Use deepl.com and try for "... and get dressed"

[tawdry matrix]

ok ty

[long whale]

You see, we learn that "to dress up" means "to put on your best clothes" or "to put on fancy dress" -> that's what you'll get from automatic translation systems. ;)

[tawdry matrix]

Aah I see

vielen dank!

[fervent kernel]

I found this passiv exercise online and noticed that the tenses don't match:

Ihr habt viele Gemälde aufgehängt. -> Viele Gemälde wurden aufgehängt.

Shouldn't it be: Viele Gemälde sind aufgehängt worden.?

[barren timber]

You only have to change aufgehängt to aufgehangen in your solution :)

[fervent kernel]

hängte & gehängt are for transitive hängen (i.e. when a direct object is present)
hing & gehangen are for intransitive hängen

[icy flax]

It's the same. Your version just split the wurden into sind worden

Die Aufgabe ist von ihm erledigt worden.
Die Aufgabe wurde von ihm erledigt.

[opal wing]

Leute, whats the difference between Speckgürtel und Vorort?

and also what does "Einzugskreis" mean/

?

i counldnt find substantioal translation

[fervent kernel]

so the textbook way I learnt this is that the tense of the switched sentence has to be in line with the original sentence. the first example you gave is how I'd change it if the og sentence was in perfekt and präteritum for the second one. do you mean that there's no difference between perfekt and präteritum in passive form?

[mellow nova]

there's never a difference in meaning between those two tenses

[icy flax]

Perfekt and Präteritum mean the same. I find it great that your textbook suggests that guideline to keep the format of the tense. However, both answers should be accepted "wurden aufgehängt" and "sind aufgehängt worden".

There is a difference between Präteritum and Perfekt when it comes to their usage. The later is frequently preferred in speech.

[barren timber]

it is the area which belongs to a city. It is important when you want to know how many people are living in a city

[opal wing]

so like, agglomeration?

[icy flax]

Meine kurze Suche führt zu diesem Ergebnis:
Speckgürtel = Vorort reicher Leute

Einzugskreis
https://hinative.com/de/questions/16932560

[mellow nova]

area of influence maybe is best translation?

[icy flax]

Idk, tbf I knew "Einzugsgebiet" as a word to "hydrological basin" but is seems just to be a concept for "area that receives"

Area of influnce seems to me the other way around. There is area A that affects a greater area B

[mellow nova]

I used the wrong word, you're right, the correct english term is sphere of influence

also I meant Einzugskreis not gebiet

was just going off the hinative article thing

[solid hull]

I feel like the Präteritum can have an imperfect aspect that the Perfekt can't. It makes sense why it's preferred in writing, because, as you already know from Portuguese, the imperfect tense is used to tell/narrate stories. So, while both can be used for abgeschlossene Handlungen, only the Präteritum (das Imperfekt) can be used for unabgeschlossene Handlungen, but this may be older practice.. since usually you'd just use an adverb to express aspect anyway

still interesting nevertheless 🤔

[opal wing]

thanccs yall for help

[long whale]

If your native language is a Romance language, this will feel normal to you. In German, however, this idea of finished (Präteritum) vs. unfinished/recent (Perfekt) has entirely disappeared. :)

[solid hull]

so that nuance survives absolutely nowhere? hmm i thought it did, at least in old literature or something of that sort

[long whale]

If it has, I for one have never noticed. :)

[solid hull]

Interesting

then it probably was just me or i read some really old literature and can't remember 😆

thanks

[proven sphinx]

Learners love complaining about how hard German grammar is, but at least when it comes to tenses, German is far easier than English or the Romance languages.

[solid hull]

lol yeah they mostly complain about the same things, not knowing that in other languages u got so many other tenses, combined with mood and aspect

meanwhile in german it's just
ich machte, habe gemacht
ich ging, bin gegangen

• dialectal constructions

[proven sphinx]

English tenses are definitely something German learners struggle with quite a bit, since German doesn't make a difference between e.g. "I saw him yesterday" and "I've seen him before" or even between "I'm playing tennis" and "I often play tennis".

German speakers learning French have it even harder with imparfait vs passé composé.

[solid hull]

actually that was more of a disadvantage for me back when i started learning german, it was actually harder to express myself because i didnt know how to say that a few moments ago or last week i was doing sth lol

[proven sphinx]

But at least French doesn't make a difference in aspect (I do vs I'm doing), whereas English always makes such a difference with every tense.

[solid hull]

probably even harder with Spanish, since you have pretérito, imperfecto, and perfecto

difference between all three

tho if u know English the 3rd one is easy

[proven sphinx]

In German, it usually doesn't matter. Like, if you say "Ich habe meine Schlüssel verloren", everyone will understand that you've just lost them and probably didn't lose them like a week ago.

"I've lost my keys" vs "I lost my keys a week ago"

[solid hull]

but saying:

I was sleeping when you came in
was kinda hard to say for me

the was sleeping part

[proven sphinx]

"Ich war am Schlafen, als du hereingekommen bist." (casual)
"Ich schlief, als du hereinkamst" (more formal)

[solid hull]

aha!!! you used Präteritum for an imperfect action

[proven sphinx]

Nah.

I used it to make my speech more formal.

[solid hull]

i c

[proven sphinx]

That's all the Präteritum does, really.

[solid hull]

for a second i thought that nuance was still present in your dialect

[proven sphinx]

My "dialect" doesn't use the Präteritum at all. It has completely vanished there.

[solid hull]

but yeah "ich schlief" as an english speaker doesn't tell me much other than "i slept" which is not what I meant anyway, so that's why id say it can be argued that german not making this distinction can be hard too

[proven sphinx]

Don't forget that "dialect" doesn't mean the same thing in German as it does in English. Many German speakers speak various dialects that differ widely from Standard German.

In English, you could even refer to American English as a "dialect".

[solid hull]

true

i used the english meaning ofc

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but you used it to refer to German, which was very odd.

[solid hull]

in English

so no big prob

[proven sphinx]

Well, it's still kind of ambiguous what you meant. What is "my dialect" even in the English sense? Swiss German? Swiss Standard German? Zurich German? Maybe even the dialect of the village I live in? 😂

[solid hull]

swiss standard german, since we're talking about Hochdeutsch anyway and not about Dialekte

[proven sphinx]

I guess so.

[solid hull]

but yeah i basically grew up using three different past tenses and never really thought about it until recently

kinda trippy tbh

[proven sphinx]

Well, I think Swiss people tend to use Präteritum a bit more often than necessary in Standard German, as a way to overcompensate for Swiss German not having that tense.

[solid hull]

Interesting, do you?

besides in cases where you just want to sound formal

[proven sphinx]

I don't think I use it that often, but that's probably something that would be quite hard to quantify anyway.

[solid hull]

do you (tend to) misuse them in portuguese

[proven sphinx]

Sometimes, but only because my Portuguese is shit. 😂

Portuguese makes pretty much the same difference as French or Spanish does in that regard.

[solid hull]

idk about french but it's very different to how spanish works

[proven sphinx]

Portuguese uses tenses almost exactly like Spanish does.

[solid hull]

as far as the past tense is concerned, Spanish and Portuguese use both simple tenses identically, but Spanish incorporates another tense that in Portuguese isn't really used (and means something else anyway)

you rarely hear
ele tem visto

[proven sphinx]

Oh yeah, you're right. I forgot about that.

[solid hull]

other than that tho, they're similar yeah

[proven sphinx]

It's funny because "Eu tenho visto" means "I have been seeing", whereas "He visto" in Spanish just means "I've seen".

[solid hull]

Yeah

but in some dialects "he visto" approximates Portuguese's version, though this is really archaic

maybe even obsolete

[proven sphinx]

Isn't that tense pretty much going extinct in Latin America anyway?

[solid hull]

in the South Cone ye

[unique dune]

||ur still in questions||

[solid hull]

still pretty alive in MX, Caribbean etc

Spain just spams it

in 100 years Castilian Spanish will become Italian 2.0

[solid hull]

oop

[upper ember]

"wie habt ihr das mir ANtun können?"

Hallo, statt antun kan man einfach tun benutzen?

[upper ember]

No te creo. Tu portugués debe de ser excelente, sin reproche alguno.

[glass aspen]

Aye someone help me translate smt

[night dagger]

schieß los

[proven sphinx]

Debe de ser? I'm 99% sure it's "debe ser" this time. 😅

[upper ember]

Nein, deber de ser drückt die Wahrscheinlichkeit aus :)

Debes de estar muy cansado. Corriste mucho.

Du bist wohl sehr müde. Du bist sehr gelaufen.?

Debes estar muy cansado.
Du müsst müde sein

[proven sphinx]

Gott, je besser mein Spanish wird, desto weniger verstehe ich es. 😂

[latent wadi]

Yea theres like 30 american english "dialects"

[nimble viper]

"eine Menge junge Leute." < Why is Menge capitalised (is that normal), and also, this definately isn't genetiv? [as it's not junger Leute]

[long whale]

Well, "Menge" is a noun, "die Menge". And this is one of the rare cases where you have a choice: eine Menge junger Leute (a lot of young people) would work just as well as "eine Menge (= viele/many) junge Leute". :)

[nimble viper]

Thanks Susana!

Ich hätte noch eine kurze Frage...?

[olive sluice]

Kann ich hier „vertreiben“ durch „umsetzen“ ersetzen?

er hat Zeitungen, Zeitschriften vertrieben.

[nimble viper]

Here's the sentence: Für Alter, Kranke, und junge Mütter ist das Leben in der Schweiz auch viel besser, weil man für sie sorgt.
My translation: For [the] old, [the] sick, and young mothers, life in Switzerland is also much better, because one worries for them.

I have a feeling this clause weil man für sie sorgt may not mean what I think it does here - because it seems nonsensical to say this in English.

[long whale]

It would change the meaning. "umsetzen" refers to "der Umsatz", i.e. grossing. "vertreiben" just refers to trading, the buying and selling. 🤷

[long whale]

Correct. "für jemanden sorgen" = to take care of so

[nimble viper]

Ah, thank you. 🙂

So the ending is more like, "as they are taken care of" ?

[olive sluice]

Danke! Verstehe! 🌹

[long whale]

Well... your English sentence now sounds to me as if they may all be thrown off the nearest cliff to solve the problem. :D Wouldn't it rather be "as they are being cared for"? But maybe that's just me. ;)

[nimble viper]

Oops! Sorry I forget the idioms of my own language. Yes, being cared for is more suitable here haha

[mellow nova]

it's just a passive construction of an intransitive verb

[olive sluice]

Übrigens, Kann ich hier „sein Kind betreuen“ durch „für sein Kind sorgen“ ersetzen?Gibt es eigentlich einen Unterschied zwischen der beiden?

Der neue Mann versteht es als eine persönliche Bereicherung, war eher als Vater sein Kind im Erziehungsurlaub betreuen kann.

[long whale]

Mm... "betreuen" means you're physically present, to dry tears, to feed, etc. "für jemanden sorgen" is more general, you could do it just by providing money, e.g. for a nanny. :)

[olive sluice]

Danke! sehr kurze aber sehr klare und tolle Erklärung!

[fervent kernel]

yo

any germans

gotta ask, is this sentence gramatically correct: "Dann fahren wir ca. sechs Stunden durch Dänemark bevor wir der deutschen Grenze ankommen"

if not, where did I go wrong?

trying to learn from my mistakes

[long whale]

There's just a preposition missing. "ankommen" just means "to arrive". So, when arriving at some place, a preposition is necessary in German. I mean, you couldn't say "We'll be arriving the German border", either, could you? ;)

[fervent kernel]

oh yeah true

but now I gotta figure out

where to place the preposition

arghhh

Dann fahren wir ca. sechs Stunden durch Dänemark bevor wir in der deutschen Grenze ankommen"?

[long whale]

Not inside, no. Try again? ;)

(Placement's fine, btw.)

[fervent kernel]

an

AN

an der deutschen Grenze ankommen

let's goooo

idk why it sent as an image

hold up

In den Sommerferien werden wir von Drammen nach Larvik fahren und danach wollen Colorline und nach Hirthshals nehmen.

there

[long whale]

No comma after "Sommerferien". In German, commas are for separating clauses. :)

[fervent kernel]

imo the sentence looks fucked

ah, alr

that's all??

[long whale]

Yeah, it is.

But only the 2nd part.

[fervent kernel]

wym

theree's no way that sentence is good

it looks strange

[long whale]

Yeah, well, Colourline is not a person, is it? So, this part is missing a subject.

[fervent kernel]

yeah colorline is a ship

[long whale]

I can't correct it, because I don't even really understand it.

[fervent kernel]

ah

i'm basically saying

In the summer we're gonna go from Drammen to Larvik (via car) and then want to take the Colorline to go to Hirthshals (denmark)

[long whale]

Yeah, so, what's your subject? Who's doing the action (of nehmen)?

[fervent kernel]

tbh idk what nehmen means

[long whale]

to take 👀

[fervent kernel]

ohh

yeah so we

are taking the colorline to denmark

aka the ship

[long whale]

Yeah. So, just insert your subject (again), and use the def. article for "Colourline" (die, even though Schiff is neuter, but I think we took that from English)

Then you're good to go. :)

[fervent kernel]

what

the subject is wir

[long whale]

Yeah. You need it again. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

where

[long whale]

In the 2nd part.

In the usual place, since this is another main clause.

[fervent kernel]

In den Sommerferien werden wir von Drammen nach Larvik fahren und danach wollen wir der Colorline nach Hirthshals nehmen.

like that?

[long whale]

Remove "und" from "und nach"

[fervent kernel]

apologies, used to writing "and then"

not just then

[long whale]

Plus, please read what I write: use the def. article for "Colourline" (die, even though Schiff is neuter, but I think we took that from English)

[fervent kernel]

there

fixed?

[long whale]

"etwas (Akk) nehmen"

I told you which article to use. 👀

[fervent kernel]

i'm just confused

[long whale]

You're talking about one particular ship. And that is "die". And in Akkusativ, "die" remains "die".

[fervent kernel]

oh

why is it not dativ

In den Sommerferien werden wir von Drammen nach Larvik fahren und danach wollen wir die Colorline nach Hirthshals nehmen.

[long whale]

#questions-2 message

[final marlin]

Hello. Ich habe eine Frage. Kann ich auch sagen, ,,Machen Sie keine Angst" ähnlich zu ,,Machen Sie keine Sorge"?

[radiant pilot]

what case should be used after "und zwar" or nämlich?

does it have to follow the case of the things they are refering to?

[whole portal]

Machen Sie sich keine Sorgen.*

Und nein, da man sich Sorgen machen kann, aber nicht gleichermaßen Angst

In diesem Kontext hat man Angst, es heißt also

Haben Sie keine Angst.

[final marlin]

Vielen Dank.

[night dagger]

es kommt auf das Verb an.

[radiant pilot]

"ankommen auf" means here "abhangen von", right?

[wise pendant]

Correct

[radiant pilot]

Vielen Dank!

ihr beide

[wise pendant]

Don't drop the umlauts, like ever. It's abhängen with ä

Just a heads up

[radiant pilot]

oh, i thought it was the verb hangen

but it seems like there is no hangen

[wise pendant]

Yep

hangen is plural past of hängen btw

"Die Äpfel hangen am Baum"

[radiant pilot]

the apples hung on the tree

?

[wise pendant]

Yep

[radiant pilot]

hmm

sorry , but i may be stupid

i just checked the Past tense of hängen

is it hing or hang?

[wise pendant]

Both

Both are used

Though hing might be considered more correct by some people

[radiant pilot]

Verstehe

Vielen Dank nochmals!

[wise pendant]

Gerne!

[slim yew]

why is the dative mir used

instead of starting the sentence with du ……………..

[delicate tiger]

Plural you

[slim yew]

?

i can use the “use keyboard” option

[delicate tiger]

ihr habt (Plural); du hast (Singular); Subject doesnt have to be at position 1

[slim yew]

but why does the standard answer put the mir in the beginning

[delicate tiger]

to stress the "for me" (you can tell it needs to be first, as it is capitalised)

[charred harbor]

I like to think of mir dir etc like an arrow

So there’s the core sentence, which I’ll change and simplify a bit here for simplicity (“ihr habt Suppe gekocht”) and then the mir shows the direction for what happens to the cooked soup

[charred harbor]

“Mir habt ihr…” and “ihr habt mir…” are both equally valid constructions though

As long as the verb is in position 2 you can flip things around and no one cares

[unborn mica]

who can teach me swiss german?

[left crown]

why do you want to learn that?

[whole portal]

Good question lmao

[delicate tiger]

see the faq bot on the topic (short version: learn standard German first)

[unborn mica]

bruda ich kann schon dieses ''standard german''

weisch dass ich nöd emal weiss was ich am schnurre bin

[delicate tiger]

wenne Deutscher bis dann hol dr de Native Speaker Rolle un kum ens en #dialects besooche

[fervent kernel]

mit welchem Dialekt sprichst du jetzt? 🤔

[delicate tiger]

Westdeutscher Bastard-Mix

[cunning pecan]

can I translate "doing better at life" to im Leben besser machen?

what's a better alternative.

Wenn die Eltern weniger besteuert werden, verfügen sie über mehr Geld. Foglich haben die Eltern die Möglichkeit ein besser Leben sich zu leisten und die Kinder, die von einer reicher Famillie stamen, machen besser Im Leben.

it's the whole sentence

[long whale]

No. "etwas besser machen" = to do something better. Yours could be translated as "haben im Leben mehr Erfolg" (are more successful) or "haben es im Leben leichter" (have an easier life). Please note you neglected to apply adjective declension in your sentence. :)

[cunning pecan]

thank you a lot <3

[wise pendant]

Im Leben klarkommen might also an option

[delicate tiger]

#writing

[celest pollen]

CHECK CHECK ❌ ✅

Ich mag nicht Jura aus Deutschland
In der Zukunft plane ich arbeit nach Deutschland
Ich glaube, bevor du anfangen laufst. Brauchst du einige nötig Schritte
Ich finde gut, dass bald ich Führerschein habe
Meine Familie will, dass ich der Führerschein bestehen
Ich habe Angst, dass ich nicht eine verlosung gewinen werde
Ich weiß, dass meine Eltern mich lieben
Mein Ziel ist es, um gut Deutsch zu sprechen
Du musst die Regeln respektiren!

[delicate tiger]

Ich weiß, dass meine Eltern mich lieben
Du musst die Regeln respektieren!
✅
andere: ❌

[celest pollen]

F

could you write those sentences correctly ?

Meine Familie will, dass ich der Führerschein bestehen
Ich finde gut, dass bald ich Führerschein habe
In der Zukunft plane ich arbeit nach Deutschland

[delicate tiger]

Meine Familie will, dass ich den Führerschein bestehe.
Ich finde es gut, dass ich bald den Führerschein habe.
In der Zukunft plane ich in Deutschland zu arbeiten.

[celest pollen]

But the Germans don't have a genitive
then why "in"

[unique dune]

wdym we dont have a genitive

[celest pollen]

mmmmm
der die das

i mean

( deepl translate der die das as "genitive" in english. sorry

[mellow nova]

They mean the country doesn't have a gender so why 'in' vs 'nach'

but nach just doesn't fit here

you work in a country

nach is like 'i'm traveling to the country' or so

[celest pollen]

❤️

I need to be more flexible and not take prepositions as one much

because they can have many

z.b

Bist du gegen diese Idee?
Sie lauft gegen den Baum

[long whale]

German also has Umlaute, and the dots on the letters are not optional: lauft läuft :)

[hasty fractal]

Is there a good place to practice dative vs accusative, or can I get some A1 level practice questions? I just really struggle with that aspect.

[mellow nova]

You can write sentences using them and post them here for corrections

or just look that up

on google

[steel patrol]

You can do some practice here:
https://german.net/exercises/cases/

[hasty fractal]

Danke!

[hasty fractal]

Wow im still really bad at this

[royal wyvern]

Was ist die Unterschied zwischen Nachdem und Danach?

[old venture]

The only difference is, that "nachdem" must refer to something in the same sentence, while "danach" can refer to something in a other sentence.

Example:
"Ich ging zur Schule** nachdem** ich gegessen habe" here you can't say ~~"Ich habe gegessen.** Nachdem** ging ich zur Schule" ~~

In that case you could use:
"Ich habe gegessen.** Danach** ging ich zur Schule"

[royal wyvern]

Ahhh danke!

[mellow nova]

Nachdem is a subordinate conjunction and Danach (like other da- compounds) is an adverb (pronomial)

different grammar

[upper ember]

C'est un peu compliqué pour nous

[hasty fractal]

I already did atrocious on two of them 😫

[steel patrol]

Keep on practising (you can do any and all exercises as many times as you like) and you'll eventually get the hang of it for sure! Maybe not today or tomorrow, but you will. :)

[hasty fractal]

Eventually ill just memorize every answer subconsciously

that’s what happened with the DW practice A1 test so I mistakingly thought I almost had it

[plain umbra]

Oh sorry, I forgot about helping you with that yesterday. Do you want to go through some now?

[hasty fractal]

No need to apologize, you’re offering to help and that’s appreciated regardless of when

I can go over it now but I have to call a potential employer at 5:00 so 40 minutes from now

[plain umbra]

Oh yeah, that's fine. I will have to leave by then anyway.

Do you have an example of a sentence/exercise which you were confused by?

[fervent kernel]

leave what?

[plain umbra]

The server.

[fervent kernel]

after you get your degree?

[hasty fractal]

I have one of each of the three cases I think

[plain umbra]

No, I'm joking. I have to start work in 1-2 hours.

[hasty fractal]

Wait only one pic saved

[fervent kernel]

oh kk 🙂

[hasty fractal]

Oops

Well cases in general are difficult and I can only really understand nominative by itself

[plain umbra]

Sure. Nominative should generally be the easiest because it's always the subject, and it's also used on both sides of "sein" (and a few other verbs).

[hasty fractal]

Here’s one but the other cases pics didnt save ig

So basically my issues are

• Dative vs accusative
• Adjective cases

I think that words it better

Sorry my brain no work

Here was the accusative one I struggled on

I put unseren and in der but I believe these were the correct answers

[plain umbra]

Okay, no problem.

So what do you know about how prepositions work with cases?

[hasty fractal]

If motion is used its dative in most cases

Also i took a while to respond bc i was looking for more examples in case

[plain umbra]

That's no problem. If we don't solve the issue now there is always later, so don't stress about that.

[hasty fractal]

Alright, thanks (if i edit my comments a lot blame ocd))

[plain umbra]

Okay so there are 4 categories for prepositions:
accusative
dative
genitive
two-way

So for all the first 3, you just have to memorize these prepositions and which case they go with.

For example, "mit" always goes with dative, "für" always goes with accusative, and so on.

[hasty fractal]

And in der is dative?

[plain umbra]

"in" is a two-way preposition.

Two-way prepositions are different.

Two-way means that they can be either accusative or dative and it follows a rule. Basically, dative is used for a location and accusative is used for movement (relative to the meaning of the preposition).

It's like in English how you have "in" and "into" or "on" and "onto".

Example:
The book is on the table. That's the location of it. (The German would use dative here)
I put the book onto the table. Here the book was off the table, but then I move it onto the table. So it's a change of location relative to "on". (The German would use accusative here)

This only applies to two-way prepositions.

If it's not two-way, then it's simply a matter of memorizing.

Here is a list.

Red is accusative (just memorize that these go with accusative), yellow is dative (similarly, just memorize), and orange are two-way (they follow the rule with location vs change of location).

[hasty fractal]

That makes more sense, and sorry if I sound really dumb here bc this is not where I thrive, but does that mean the answer above is “ins” because there’s nothing being moved?

And ins would be two-way according to the chart

[plain umbra]

"in" is two-way, that's right. ins = in + das

Is das accusative or dative?

[hasty fractal]

Accusative

[plain umbra]

Yep.

So it actually is change of location.

[hasty fractal]

So if something isn’t being moved its dative, and if something is being moved its accusative?

[plain umbra]

Yeah. It doesn't have to physically be moving, but it's about the concept of if it's happening in this place or we're talking about it going from one place to another.

[hasty fractal]

Im kinda getting it but my brain hurts

Its just a lot to process, but i understand more

What about uns, isn’t that accusative so unseren?

[plain umbra]

Sorry this picture is a bit ugly but I just picked a random one from google.

Pronouns have these forms for each case.

Unseren = ours. It's different from uns = us.

[hasty fractal]

Ahh I think I was applying adjective logic to it

Partially

Okay that’s just me being dumb lmao

[plain umbra]

Adjectives are important but my advice is to totally ignore adjectives until you feel comfortable with accusative and dative.

[hasty fractal]

Don’t I need adjectives 100% down to pass A1?

I think they were on the test thingy

[plain umbra]

I would be surprised. Adjective declension is usually A2 in my experience.

[long whale]

I think it might just have referred to some adjectives in the vocab. :)

[hasty fractal]

Alright, we have 2 minutes then so I won’t bug you with the other example rn. Thank ya for the help, I think I understand a bit better now. And I know what to study.

Its a massive help

[plain umbra]

No problem. We can talk about verbs next time.

[hasty fractal]

Sounds good!

I overestimated how long and/or grueling that call would be lmfao

[stray basin]

Is all of this correct?:

Schreibst du an ein Notizblock "ü, ö, usw." und dann kopiert es wann du brauchst es

What I'm trying to say is:
Write on a notepad, and then copy it when you need it

[mellow nova]

Schreibe ä, ü, ö auf einen Notizblock und kopiere sie, wenn du sie brauchst

[stray basin]

Wait wait wait

How do we know that it's feminine

[mellow nova]

things to study:
Imperativ - Schreibe instead of Schreibst du
Prepositions - auf not an
Wann - wann is a question word, not a conjunction
Subjunktionen - the conjunction 'wenn' changes sentence structure, notably the verb goes to the end

[stray basin]

"it", could be anything in this case

[mellow nova]

it's plural

but singular letters are neuter if you were wondering

[stray basin]

you mean, the things on the notepad would be plural?

[mellow nova]

yes multiple letters

= plural

[stray basin]

ah

I wasn't sure if it was in relation to the notepad, or what's ON the notepad

actually, it's obvious that it is

[mellow nova]

well in any case, Notizblock is masculine not neuter 🙂

(so you would use 'kopiere ihn' in this hypothetical)

[stray basin]

What is the difference between Wann, and Wenn

[mellow nova]

Wann is for questions

wenn is not

wenn is for repeatable/hypothetical 'when's as well

singular 'when' that happened in the past is 'als'

When I was a kid - Als ich ein Kind war (happened in the past, not repeatable)
When I go to the supermarket - Wenn ich in den Supermarkt gehe (you do this often, in the past and in the future)

[hasty fractal]

One more question thats prob dumb

[swift bough]

There is no such thing as a dumb question. The only thing that’s dumb is not asking your question.

[hasty fractal]

If its “wie geht es dir/ihnen” and “mir geht es gut” why can I also use “es geht gut”

[hasty fractal]

But its probably something i just overlooked

[hasty fractal]

Or ive at least heard “es geht sehr gut” iirc

[swift bough]

It’s just like how in English you could respond with „it’s going well“ instead of „I‘m doing well/good“

btw in Germany the culture around the question „wie geht’s“ is pretty different. You don’t ask strangers „wie geht’s“, for Germans this question isn’t merely a conversation starter or greeting, it’s supposed to be a more intimate question for them. So usually you only ask people that who are your friends or family and sometimes with acquaintances

People who don’t know each other at all don’t ask each other that

[hasty fractal]

Sorry for the late reply

[hasty fractal]

So its kinda irregular?

[hasty fractal]

What about “wie geht es ihnen?”

[swift bough]

Technically the better response is „mir geht’s…“ then however you’re doing

Because it directly responds to the question

So you kinda have a point

[swift bough]

No, it’s really the same thing. Making it formal doesn’t fix the issue really

For acquaintances like maybe your boss you’ve known for a while or your professors, sure, why not

The main thing is just don’t when it comes to strangers

It’s a cultural thing

[hasty fractal]

So avoid asking how someone is if I don’t know them altogether?

[swift bough]

Yeah

Like for example

In Germany I noticed this 100% of the Time I was there: in a supermarket whenever you get to the cashier, they always say hello, and that’s it

They don’t ask you how you are

Germans are basically more sparing with their words and careful with their relationships

They want to form meaningful relationships instead of sorta like fake ones, because you know how you can say you’re doing fine but actually you’re doing shit? Germans hate lying about that, so they don’t ask the question to strangers.

[hasty fractal]

No bullshit in German then lmao

[swift bough]

Because think of it like this

[hasty fractal]

Skip the bullshit i mean

[swift bough]

Isn’t it way more comfortable to tell someone you’re close to about your problems?

[hasty fractal]

Yeah I feel weird saying yeah im fine

[swift bough]

They don’t want to lie about their well being basically

So they avoid that altogether

And

If you actually tell a stranger about your horrible well being, that can be really awkward

Especially if they respond coldly

So that’s why you tell people you know already instead

But in Germany if you ask a stranger how they’re doing, a lot of them take it literally, so sometimes they actually will try telling you about their problems if you ask them as a stranger

[hasty fractal]

I usually ask it literally in English lol

[swift bough]

Yeah really

Germans are like that, they think this convo starter is a waste of time for people you don’t know

Usually they would rather say a friendly hello and make a comment about something to get the convo going

[hasty fractal]

I’m socially awkward so I’ll take what i can get to not deal with silence

So that’d be a bit frightening

[swift bough]

Germans just like to get straight to the point though

[hasty fractal]

Ik it just feels awkward to be like “Hallo… Tschüss”

[swift bough]

It’s sort of tied in with the stereotype that Germans are efficient and always on time 🤡

They don’t see this question as efficient kinda

For strangers at least

[hasty fractal]

That’s fair enough

[swift bough]

But why would you even ask someone how they’re doing if you’re just gonna say Tschüss and walk away

Isn’t that equally as weird

[hasty fractal]

It fills the otherwise silence

[swift bough]

You mean like in the supermarket scenario or something

[hasty fractal]

Yeah

[swift bough]

You know silence isn’t all that scary, Germans certainly aren’t afraid of it 😂

[hasty fractal]

Silence is considered a method of interrogation

[swift bough]

Usually there’s more than that though

[hasty fractal]

“Wie ist das wetter…?”
“…”

[swift bough]

They will also tell you your total, ask you if you want a receipt, and then say „schönen [dir/Ihnen] Tag noch“

I went to the supermarket at least a hundred times

They never asked me „wie geht’s Ihnen“

[hasty fractal]

I at least have a while until I have to worry about German social interaction

[upper ember]

Wo hast du denn in Deutschland gewohnt, cursed?

[hasty fractal]

Also can I ask one more thing since you are C1 and I’m stuck in A1 bc of dativ case?

[swift bough]

Ok sure

[swift bough]

Lüneburg

[hasty fractal]

How did you manage to memorize this chart

[upper ember]

Wo liegt das?

[hasty fractal]

Ive been at it for so long and have next to nothing

[swift bough]

Ist westlich von Hamburg so ungefähr ne Stunde entfernt wenn man mit dem Zug fährt

[hasty fractal]

And even when I have a bit memorized it’s hard to apply without thinking for way too much time

[swift bough]

Have you actually tried applying what you learn by like writing your own sentences?

I mean outside ohne conversation

of a*

[night dagger]

https://youtu.be/UgRDUCnH2Ps

[hasty fractal]

Here and there in my head but then idk if they’re right

[hasty fractal]

Thank ya, ill give it a watch in a bit

[swift bough]

@upper ember ok ich lag übrigens einfach falsch, liegt eigentlich südöstlich davon xD

Ich denke wohl an ne andere Stadt die ich besucht habe

[upper ember]

Wenn man nicht daran gut ist, Sprache zu studieren, wird es sehr sehr sehr schwierig, eine sehr komplexe Sprache wie Deutsch zu lernen :(

Ich denke, Deutsch hat die perfekte Menge Grammatik. Damit meine ich, dass Deutsch nicht so so so schwierig ist aber gar nicht einfach. Eine Herausforderung, der wirklich erreichbar ist.

[swift bough]

@hasty fractal it’s important to actually know how the cases work. If you don’t have that down, knowing the adjective endings is effectively worthless. Even if you memorize that chart, if you don’t know how to even use it, there isn’t really a point, is there?

[upper ember]

Uuff 😜 ich war nie noch in Deutschland T.T außer einem Besuch im Flughafen Frankfurt 🤣 wofür bist du denn nach Deutschland gefahren?

[swift bough]

Herausforderung ist weiblich 😉

[hasty fractal]

That’s a very nice point

[swift bough]

My recommendation is just that then you you

Learn how they work

Don’t try memorizing it until you know how the cases work

[swift bough]

Zum Studieren

Eigentlich bin ich auch nicht nach Deutschland gefahren sondern geflogen

(fahren kann man mit Flugzeugen nicht benutzen)

Außer der Flugzeug ist nicht in der Luft

[hasty fractal]

So just focus on the personal pronouns, prepositions, and the common dative verbs and then begin moving onto adjectives?

[upper ember]

Hast Recht, yo no soy inmune a los erroresss por más que quisiera serlo 😁😬😁

Oui oui, die Kasusformen sind von der Sprache gezwungen

[swift bough]

If you watch YouTube videos on how it works they probably will use examples where they use adjective declensions

[upper ember]

Nach mit zum Beispiel benutzt man Dativ.

[swift bough]

The order isn’t always super important for what you learn first

[upper ember]

Während die Sprache, die über einen instrumental verfügen, den benutzen

[hasty fractal]

Yeah I have the chart for that as well, I have like 5 charts lol

[hasty fractal]

I never understand them when they start using weak adjectives

[swift bough]

to be perfectly honest with you, I really learned it with zero charts. I think the charts are making it seem harder than it actually is. If you understand how the cases actually work the endings make way more sense

[upper ember]

Altenglisch hatte all dieses Quatsch..... Wenn die Sprache wäre bewehrt worden, hätten wir nicht diese Problemen damit, die Kasus zu verstehen

[swift bough]

die grammatikalischen Fälle im Deutschen sind aber nicht besonders schwierig

[upper ember]

Ja, das meine ich auch

[swift bough]

Besonders schwierig für mich ist mir Wörter zu merken ohne sie in 5 Minuten wieder zu vergessen

Es hilft mir sehr wenn ich diese Wörter dann direkt selber anwende

Dadurch vergesse ich sie viel weniger

[hasty fractal]

Everything makes it feel confusing, it seems like rocket science lmao

[upper ember]

Für mich ist es entmutigender, dass sich viele Leute nicht die Mühe nehmen, mit uns Lernenden Deutsch zu sprechen

[swift bough]

It isn’t actually that difficult to be honest, but that doesn’t mean it doesn’t take getting used to and actually applying what you learn to actually remember and better understand what was taught

If you want you can DM me with more specific questions you have to clear up confusion you have regarding that @hasty fractal

[upper ember]

Ich würde mich sehr entmutigt fühlen, wenn ich mich danach gestrebt habe, eine Sprache zu lernen, und die Anderen die nicht mit mir sprechen

[swift bough]

Das passiert mir nie

Deutsche sprechen mit mir eigentlich ganz gerne

Also auf Deutsch

[upper ember]

Das ist doch sehr gut!!! :)))

Ja, die Deutschen die ich in den USA getroffen habe, haben es mit mir auch gesprochennn

Hängt van der Person auf

[swift bough]

Also mir ist das schon mal passiert, aber meistens reden sie mir mit gern auf Deutsch

[upper ember]

Ich spreche wie 6,7 Sprache und es gibt immer eine Person, die, ungeachtet wie gut die Sprache sprichst, mit dir die nicht sprechen wird

[swift bough]

wenn sie sich weigern mit mir auf Deutsch zu sprechen dann spreche ich mit denen einfach nicht und such mir dann welche andere die Lust darauf haben

[hasty fractal]

Im not sure what I really know without using the charts other than nominative/accusative excluding adjectives

[upper ember]

Kann ja auch demütigend sein, es scheint, als wollten sie ihre Sprache ein Geheimnis behalten

[hasty fractal]

But it is very kind of you, I’m just really stumped and (as of late) stressed

[upper ember]

Y, dude? Taking AP german or sunnun?

[swift bough]

I‘m not saying you’re not struggling, but it really isn’t that difficult to be honest with you. It could just be that the way it’s being explained doesn’t make sense to you, if someone explains it in another way, it might click way easier for you @hasty fractal

And also when you watch a video you aren’t getting 1-on-1 help

[hasty fractal]

Nah but im behind in classes and getting a new job, non German stuff that effects my German learning

[swift bough]

When you have a tutor or something it’s a lot more helpful imo

[upper ember]

Lots of time, ppl just b like, omg my language is so freaking difficult your better off not even learning it don't waste your time. Very disheartening:(

[hasty fractal]

I mean that could be it, I didn’t really understand ins vs in der until a few hours ago

[upper ember]

affects* :D siehst du? Das ist ein wenig schwierig

[swift bough]

That’s why it’s hilarious sometimes when Germans just seem absolutely shocked at my level because it’s sort of rare to meet someone so dedicated to their language

[hasty fractal]

The difficulty is what makes it fun

Thrill of the chase, being able to read something you thought was impossible

[swift bough]

Oh yes if German were easy in every way it would actually be boring : D

[upper ember]

Yeaa. Ich meine, ich spreche sowohl türkisch wie chinesch fleissend. Und die meinen wohl, ihre Sprache sei unglaublich schwierig. Ich sage zu ihnen. Jede Sprache ohne grammaticales Geschlect is gut für much.

[upper ember]

That's Chinese for me, undecipherable characters turned into meaningful morphemes.

[swift bough]

Grammatikalisches Geschlecht ist für mich eigentlich nicht mal das allerschwierigste am Deutschen 🤷‍♂️

[upper ember]

Love being able to read a Chinese newspaper for example at the same speed I do other ones.

[hasty fractal]

Well Japanese was too difficult to be fun for me, I tried it and noped out. Difficulty is fun but Japonic languages are torture to get good at

[upper ember]

Ja, aber die Abwesenheit davon erleichtert das Erlernen (:

[upper ember]

Japonisch ist, unter den großten Sprachen der Welt, die schwierigste für den Westerner.

[swift bough]

Aber andere Sprachen haben ihre ganz eigenen Eigenheiten…nur weil man im Chinesischen kein grammatikalisches Geschlecht hat heißt nicht, dass die Sprache keine schwierigen Aspekte an sich hat

[glossy idol]

I find it fun to learn Japanese as its somewhat similar to my mother tongue

[upper ember]

In English, there just exists little old the.
Etymology, this word the is equivalent to the German DER.
In the past, the used to wear different outfits. These were seo and thæt. The was used in front of masculine nouns, seo in front of féminine, thæt neuter. Exactly like der die das.

[hasty fractal]

It feels like a chunk of memorization would be involved as well

[hasty fractal]

It’s a really nice language it’s just really tough and I can’t even begin to understand Kanji

[upper ember]

OK. Nominatif. Every word has an inherent gender. This in 99% of the time is fixed. It's always die Hand. Das Schiff. Der Schlüssel.

Der likes to dress up in different outfits. It's a chameleon.

[swift bough]

I never even used a chart to learn it as I said

[hasty fractal]

Nor cards?

[upper ember]

Nominatif is the base Form of the word. It's the staple outfit.

[swift bough]

I just learned it by learning how the cases work and then having lots of repetition and practice and applying what i learned myself

[upper ember]

Sometimes, der has to accessorize depending on the crowds it hangs out with.

[swift bough]

Nope

[hasty fractal]

So one day it clicked?

[upper ember]

So hanging with a word mit, it likes to dress up as dem if with a masculine or neuter word, and der with a féminine word.

[swift bough]

I was actually confused about how dative and accusative worked for a while, and then suddenly my professor explained it to me and it instantly clicked. Like I said earlier, someone else explaining it can make a world of a difference

[upper ember]

Yes, the cases will click.

[swift bough]

I mean she was one of my new professors

[hasty fractal]

Would you happen to still know what she said

[swift bough]

So it was the first time she ever explained it to me

[upper ember]

Yall know how when sometimes people use who vs whom correctly and ppl b like omg. genius!

[swift bough]

Lmao bruh it’s so easy to use whom after you learn German

[upper ember]

For sure. But my boss always be misusing it though.

[swift bough]

That was like 4 years ago so no sadly not

[glossy idol]

But still people rarely say “whom” when theyre supposed to

[swift bough]

Yeah that’s because at this point it’s kinda archaic

[hasty fractal]

Whom does that?

[swift bough]

No in that case it’s only who

[hasty fractal]

Ik i was joking lol

[upper ember]

Türk müsün acaba?

[glossy idol]

No

[swift bough]

Did you understand dative is about location and accusative is about direction? I mean what about that was confusing for you? @hasty fractal

[hasty fractal]

Well hopefully i need to find an equivalent

[hasty fractal]

Vaguely, like I still get them mixed up

[swift bough]

Accusative is also like destination

And not just a large destination

Can be any size

It’s really not that bad tbh it just takes getting used to

[upper ember]

Oletko Suomi?

Lass mich mal raten

[swift bough]

Accusative is like this in English: into, onto
Dative is: in, on
@hasty fractal

[glossy idol]

Are you gonna do this all day?

And still no

[upper ember]

Früher hat jeder Schüler lateinisch lernen müssen

[swift bough]

sometimes in English we say „in“ or „on“ instead of „into“ or „onto“, but you have to purposely think about which situations into and onto are possible in, in order to understand how I’m explaining it

[upper ember]

Es stört mich, wenn jemand seine Muttersprache erwähnt, ohne zu sagen, was sie denn ist T_T wir lieben die Sprachen

[hasty fractal]

That I kinda get, but then you have to switch to the dative forms of pronouns and adjectives after certain parts of different types of sentences and I get all overwhelmed on it all

[hasty fractal]

Like how accusative is ins and dative is in der I think?

[glossy idol]

But in english we tell sb to “put sth on the table” and not “onto” though its about direction

[hasty fractal]

Puhutko englantia? Lol

[swift bough]

Are you trying to force yourself to understand everything at once? If you are, don’t. Take a step back and learn one thing at a time, stop trying to cram it all in at once if it clearly isn’t working. Remember, the definition of insanity is doing something over and over (in the exact same way) and expecting different results.

[glossy idol]

You are talking about neutral, so dative it would be in dem or im

[swift bough]

Yes correct

[upper ember]

Joo

[glossy idol]

Oh sorry, im actually Vietnamese

[upper ember]

Ihr könntet wie die Arbeitsklasse in Berlin spricht.
Komm, ich geben dir Buch!

Von der grammatik her hätte ich nicht gedacht dass diese Sprache ähnlich sind, da japonisch agglunativ ist und vietnamisch isolierend ist. Von der Kultur her gibt's mehr Ähnlichkeiten, weil Buddhismus

[hasty fractal]

But then I don’t know where to go and I panic and have the same feeling anyway. It’s the same reason I couldn’t understand Kanji but to a lesser extent bc its obv a lot easier in German than learning 10,000 or so letters.

[upper ember]

Du meinst wohl Charakteren

Hör doch. Du wirst es schon schaffen können!

[glossy idol]

We bear some similarities in word. Not grammer

*grammar

[hasty fractal]

Exaggeration works

[swift bough]

If it’s really overwhelming to you, look, you need to learn one thing at a time, until you actually understand what’s going on. The only way you will stop feeling overwhelmed is to concentrate all of your focus onto one topic at a time. Don’t try memorizing any tables if that obviously isn’t working.

[upper ember]

Glaub mal an dich selbst, du schaffsts schon!

[swift bough]

Yea you can do it, I am a native English speaker and I did it, if I can do it then so can you ^^

[upper ember]

Yea, und englisch gibt einem keinen Vorteil dafür, Fremdesprachen zu lernen!

[hasty fractal]

Thats nice however keep in mind

Im a very dumb native english speaker

[upper ember]

Eh

Then maybe you'd oughta also simultaneously partake in a hobby that youre also gonna make visible progress in,

[hasty fractal]

Thats smart

[upper ember]

So your brain not get starved entirely of those endorphins

[hasty fractal]

But i have no confidence regardless

German keeps me sane

[upper ember]

Creating stuff with the hands is great, I wish I could do woodworking

[swift bough]

I mean I’ve already given you the best advice I possibly could, I can’t give you advice for how to not be dumb xD

[upper ember]

Would read a book like that then, parallel, so you can easily cross-reference the translation and see why a case was used

[swift bough]

Also maybe you’re not actually dumb and that’s just a thought that slowly manifested itself into you which hinders you from learning

Which might be hard to accept at first

Just keep it in mind though as it could be true

[hasty fractal]

A part of me can see that definitely but also if I have no expectations there’s also no disappointments, if I think I’m smart it’s gonna get proven wrong

I’ll start by going back through my practice tests and seeing where my main issue is

[swift bough]

I didn’t learn German and make zero mistakes along the way btw, mistakes have helped me in more ways than you could imagine.

[glossy idol]

Thats how success works

[swift bough]

Just because you make mistakes doesn’t mean you’re dumb. Everyone makes mistakes, does that mean everyone is dumb?

[glossy idol]

We need to know where we’re wrong to fix it

[swift bough]

If everyone were dumb humankind probably wouldn’t exist anymore

[hasty fractal]

Its not the mistakes its being stuck on this one thing for so long

[hasty fractal]

Sometimes I feel like most people are lmao

[hasty fractal]

Def

[swift bough]

There a fine-line between average intelligence and dumb though

[hasty fractal]

I thought about something similar

[swift bough]

I don’t really know what else to tell you though, I’m giving it my all here

[swift bough]

It didn’t click for me immediately either but that doesn’t make me dumb and I truly believe that

Anyway it’s nap time for me

[hasty fractal]

I agree with ur points tho

Im just not good at socializing

[hasty fractal]

Have a good rest

[acoustic breach]

Frage:
Ich wollte sagen, dass Großbritannien mein Land vorher kolonisiert hat.

Der Satzbau war so:
Hier lernen wir Englisch, weil Englisch die Sprache von Großbritannien ist, ______ uns vorher kolonisiert hat.

Was soll man in der Lucke schreibt? Das Land hat ja kein Artikel, also habe ich keine Ahnung.

[mellow nova]

I believe all non-article countries are just neuter?

[acoustic breach]

Ok. Danke!!!

[little topaz]

can sollen have a meaning of 'if'?

[tropic thistle]

@mellow nova the hypothetical sollen ("solltest du meine Hilfe brauchen, ich bin zu Hause zu erreichen") has a similar, though not exactly equivalent force -- "should you need my help, I can be reached at home" ~ "if you (should) need my help..."

It's not interchangeable with all cases of if=wenn, and it's really used for expressing the sort of hypothetical status of what follows. But just in case that's what you're seeing, I thought I'd mention it

[mellow nova]

This is rather a case of an omitted 'wenn' than 'solltest' meaning 'if'. It happens with a lot of other verbs as well, and you can do the same in English with subjunctive verbs (i.e 'should'), though in German you can do it with non subjunctive verbs as well.

If I had _...
Had I _...

If I were _...
Were I _...

Here is the page from Hammer about it. Very different concepts and definitely is not 'sollten' translating into 'if'

[olive sluice]

Kann ich hier „aufrufen“ durch „an der Bürger appelieren“ ersetzen?

Mit 20 weiteren Staatsoberhäuptern der EU-Staaten rief er die Bürger auf, sich in die Diskussion über die Zukunft Europas einzubringen.

[violet ore]

you can say both if you take "appelieren" the sentence would be "... der EU - Staaten appelierte er an die Bürger, ...."

[olive sluice]

Danke! 🌹

Kann ich hier „überstehen“ durch „vertragen“ ersetzen?

Innerhalb von drei Monaten hat dieser alte Mann schon zwei Operationen überstanden.

[wise pendant]

Ne

vertragen can be used with things you can eat/drink

[olive sluice]

verstehe, Danke! 🤗

[olive sluice]

Kann ich hier „einwilligen“ durch „billigen“ oder „zustimmen“ ersetzen?

Wie erwartet, willigten mehr Personen ein, nach dem man die Initiative gerechtfertigte hatte.

[wise pendant]

zustimmen, ja
billigen, eher nein

[olive sluice]

Kann man sagen: das Gesetz billigen

[wise pendant]

It's just not used that way I'd say

[long whale]

Yeah. But since "billigen" requires a direct object, you could not use it in your original sentence. Plus, "billigen" is usually used when some parliament votes in favour of some bill.

[olive sluice]

@long whale @wise pendant Danke für ihre Hilfe! Das hilft mir sehr! 🌹

[split badge]

What's the difference between: Ich hätte gern, Ich wäre gern and Ich würde gern?

[mellow nova]

I would like to have
I would like to be
I would like _ (needs another verb)

[split badge]

thank you :)

[thin prism]

Hullo - question, i don't know how to formulate that I've put everything bedding related on a bed (covers on pillows etc). How would you guys do it?

[long whale]

"everything bedding related" = das [ganze] Bettzeug ;)

[tropic thistle]

Fair - thanks for the Hammer cite! I am aware of the suppressed wenn and agree the base verb should never translate as if; however, the reader still has to know that this construction has a supplied if and carries similar force as a result, which was my (poorly expressed) point.

[olive sluice]

Was bedeutet hier „mit Händen und Füßen“?
 Einige streben einen Beruf in der Werbebranche an, andere sträuben sich mit Händen und Füßen dagegen.

[long whale]

"with all their might", "totally"

[olive sluice]

Danke dir! 🌹

[long whale]

Ah - to fight something tooth and nail, to be precise. ;)

[olive sluice]

Ach so! Danke 🙂

[ancient pulsar]

Wir mussten ihn sehen.
Wir hatten ihn sehen müssen.