questions-2

[scenic drift]

do you mean the pronunciation of "ng", maybe? 🤔

[fervent kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7U8COjX9cM

Hello everyone. This lady says like three small sentences in the first 20 seconds of this video. I can't understand anything. 😩 Can you guys tell me what she's saying?
I think I hear "Ich bin ???? Stein, gut morgen", but I can't grasp anything else.

[fervent kernel]

yes

i say literally NG

[ancient aspen]

Ich bin die Marlene ? ich tu ? und Kuh melken (die Kühe melken) und Futter machen ?

[fervent kernel]

but germans say like NNN

[ancient aspen]

I can't understand more, even when I am out of a area where you speak such dialect xD

[long whale]

It's nasal. We don't say sin-gen, it's siŋən - and since we often drop the final schwa, it becomes siŋn. But actually, it's pretty much the same sound as in English "to sing, singing".

[fervent kernel]

https://voca.ro/19IxsNsWuu9N

how wrong is this?

[long whale]

Well... how do you pronounce the English verb "sing"? However, the initial "s" is soft in German, like English z.

[fervent kernel]

OHHHH I think I grasped one of the missing words

"ich tu in morgen fruh stehen und Kuh melken", right?

But "Futter machen masch???" is indeed a mystery 😄

[long whale]

ich tu morgens uffstähe/aufstehen un' Kuh melke

[fervent kernel]

That's perfect. Thank you very much 🙂

[ancient aspen]

Marlene ? seems like a nice person

[fervent kernel]

Can you understand what she says after "Futter machen" too?

[ancient aspen]

Do you listen to that voluntary or are you forced to? haha

[fervent kernel]

voluntary

I love learning dialects 🙂

I believe she speaks Hunsrik here.

[long whale]

No, nothing else. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

Very close too Saarländisch.

Thank you guys very much btw ❤️

Every day I learn a bissel.

[ancient aspen]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9oD_ppEAjg

[fervent kernel]

What does Obst Im Haus mean?

Not Literally, it seems to have an übertrieben Bedeutung to it? What is it?

[mellow nova]

it's a meme

[wintry geode]

This is from a German meme ( https://youtu.be/FY3zHZ7Ogmk?t=78)

[polar cape]

kann ich sagen "ich bin für 3 Jahren nicht in einer Deutsch Unterricht gegangen"? klingt das richtig?

[ancient aspen]

"Ich habe drei Jahre lang nicht den Unterricht besucht" sounds better

[echo spear]

Meiner Meinung nach ist die Aussage falsch .
why we dont say Nach meiner Meinung ?

[long whale]

There are prepositions and also a few postpositions in German. And "nach" in the sense of "according to" is a postposition. 🤷

[edgy jasper]

meiner meinung nach ist ein mehr oder minder feststehender begriff. auch hier könntest du auch sagen, nach meiner meinung, aber das klingt ungelek

[echo spear]

so its like Dat.+zufolge Z.B. ?

[long whale]

Yup. :)

[echo spear]

Danke 🙂

[polar cape]

danke!

[half arch]

yes, it is conjunctive

yes

[small sundial]

"Obwohl die Ergebnisse der Pilotstudie zeigten, dass das Tablet das Potenzial hat, Schülerinnen und Schüler im Grammatikunterricht stärker (kognitiv) zu aktivieren, sind die Ergebnisse nicht sehr zuverlässig. Dies liegt zum einen an der geringen Datenmenge und zum anderen am Design der Studie."

gibt es hier Rechtschreib, Komma oder Grammatikfehler?

I think the verb is here "bekanntgeben"

that means "announce" or "declare"

[flat jacinth]

Is there any difference between "künftig" and "zukünftig"? I looked it up in dictionary and both word seemed to have the same meaning.

[amber citrus]

Not really, "künftig" is a short form of "zukünftig"

[flat jacinth]

Owh okay, thx!

[fervent kernel]

how popular is this? if i randomly do zitaten from him, would people get the meme?

[wintry geode]

Many young people know him for his raging.
I think you can use some of them and they will understand

[fervent kernel]

👍

[fervent kernel]

for example if we enter a dirty room, could i say " mehr Hygiene kann man in diesem Haushalt nicht haben"

or what are his most popular zitaten?

[wise pendant]

The most popular quotes are: (Sorted from most to least popular), I'd say
"Halt Stop, Jetzt rede ich"
"Es bleibt alles so wie es hier ist, und es wird sich hier nichts dran rütteln egal ob du hier bist und nicht"
"Die Wohnung bleibt so wie se is"
"Es ist Obst im Haus"
"Entweder bist du blind auf beiden Augen oder einfach nur blöd"
"Ich habe meinen Kaffee getrunken. Beruhigt habe ich mich jetzt nicht"
"Nein jetzt hälst du die Schnauze"

[fervent kernel]

taking notes thanks

[whole portal]

The "egal ob du hier bist und nicht" is gramatically wrong (it should be oder, not und), which is an important part to the meme so don't forget that

[burnt reef]

Are there any tricks to remember sentence order? I feel like I get tripped up a lot

[wise pendant]

Reading and listening a lot to comprehensive input until your brain figures it out on it's own is one way

[burnt reef]

Like watching shows in German? What are some ways to get a comprehensive input?

[wise pendant]

Youtubefor example

Do you want me to recommend you some channels?

[wise pendant]

@burnt reef

[burnt reef]

Yes that would be great

[wise pendant]

_Gaming:
Behaind (Comedy)
Battle Bros
HandOfBlood (Comedy)
Gronkh
Sgt Rumpel
Sarazar
Zombey
Altf4Games (Reviews)
gametwo (Comedy)
Rahmschnitzel
Sturmwaffel
Paluten
Maudado
Pietsmiet (Gameshows)
Senioren Zocken (Old people play games)
Gameomat (German Game Sins adaption) [Berlin dialect]

_Comedy/Sketches:
Varion
IBlali
YTitty (Permanently inactive)
Coldmirror
DerDrogg
Alexi Bexi
Browser Ballett

_Official german broadcasting:
ZDF heute Show (Satirical news show)
NDR Doku (Various documentaries, slice of life)
NDR-Ratgeber (Miscellaneous)
TerraX Lesch und Co (Science)
TerraX Natur und Geschichte (Science documentary)
DW Deutsch (News)

_Edutainment:
Cosmic Cortex (Pocast)
Dorfuchs (Math)
Doktor Whatson
MrWissen2Go (History)
techtastisch (DIY)
MaiLab
MalGli
Dr. Allwissend (Comedy)
Simplicissimus (Video essays)
TapaKapa Erklärt (Animation) [Austrian dialect]

_Cooking:
Pommes Män
BBQ aus Rheinhessen
Hensslers Schnelle Nummer
CALLEkocht - Grandma's Recipes
kein Stress kochen
AhmetKocht
Rosins Restaurants (Similar to Gordon Ramsay Hells Kitchen)

_Miscellaneous:
Fynn Kliemann (DIY)
Malwanne (Vlogs)
SinansWoche (Weekly show with Sinan)
Tamara Wernli (Social commentary)
Doktorant (Social commentary)
Peter Frahm (Personality coaching, Social Commentary)
3thedward (Vlogs)
Marti Fischer (Music, Comedy)
Open Mind (Drug based comedy)
Held der Steine (Lego brick commentary, Set review)
Der Held (Commentary, Talk)
GreenRabbit (Psychology, philosophy)
Marmeladenoma (Vlogs, Read alouds (eg. German fairy tales))
World Wide Wohnzimmer (Talk Shows)
Wilde Beuger & Solmecke (Attorney, Justice)
Anwalt Jun (Attorney Justice)
HYPERBOLE (Interviews)
Glücksdetektiv (Self-Improvement, positivity coaching)
Ehrenpflaume (Famous tv show host interviews youtubers)
WildMics (Open Talks, Science communication, Podcasts)
Best of Bundestag (Compilations from the german parliaments)
Whiskey.de (Whiskey centered content)

[burnt reef]

Wow, thanks! I should be able to use that to find something 🙂

[wise pendant]

you're welcome

[worldly portal]

danke 👌

[languid totem]

Hi! Would you consider this as a correct sentence?
"Das ist was ich habe gesagt wollen."
as in "That's what I wanted to say"

[solid hull]

...habe sagen wollen

or simply
...sagen wollte

[proven sphinx]

Or even shorter: "Das wollte ich sagen."

[solid hull]

wollt' ich sagn

[languid totem]

I see, I was in a bit of a confusion, I thought I only have to use the form of "haben sagen wollen" after words like "Dass, Denn", I'm not sure how they're called in English.

[proven sphinx]

"Ich habe das sagen wollen" is technically correct, but basically no one would ever say that sentence. "Das wollte ich sagen" is much more idiomatic.

That's what I wanted to say = Das wollte ich sagen

[solid hull]

when you have a perfekt construction, you get what's called an Ersatzinfinitiv, so both verbs (assuming there's some sort of modalverb) stay in their infinitive form except for the helping verb (haben, in this case) of course, which actually goes before the other two verbs in its finite form

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[solid hull]

you are more likely to hear that type of construction in the subjunctive

so: ...dass ich ihm hätte helfen können

[languid totem]

So, basically if there are more than one verbs in a perfekt construction you use it like "Habe + inf + inf"? But if there is only one verb you use it the way you would normally?

Sorry, modal verb, so if the second verb is a modal verb, or.. you get it 😂

[proven sphinx]

And even then, "Ich dachte, ich hätte ihm helfen können" is more common than "Ich dachte, dass ich ihm hätte helfen können."

[hexed gust]

Anything specifically on science (physics/chem/Veritasium-like content)?

[proven sphinx]

Kurzgesagt has a German version.

[solid hull]

yeah, for ex:

das habe ich dir sagen wollen (Perfekt with two other verbs)
It has to be a helping verb which is different

[hexed gust]

Ah good to know, please do let me know if anything else comes to mind :)

[wise pendant]

Under Edutainment

Mailab for example

Or Terra X

[solid hull]

but like Raven said, you're better off just using Präteritum for the modalverb

[languid totem]

Helper verb as in: "Wollen, Mögen, Können, etc. etc"? 🙂

[solid hull]

helping verb as in haben or sein

[hexed gust]

👌 thx

[solid hull]

for the past tense

oh yeah in this case it will always be haben btw

[languid totem]

Yeah, but I mean the second verb you use.

Here, it's sagen + "wollen"

[solid hull]

yeah that stays in inf form

otherwise it gets conjugated in its past tense form "wollte" (for 1st and 3rd person singular)

because the perfect construction is for the modalverb

and not for the sagen

[languid totem]

I see, like "Ich wollte gestern spielen ?"

[solid hull]

yeah

Ich habe ein Haus gewollt
Ich habe mir ein Haus kaufen wollen
Ich wollte ein Haus
Ich wollte mir ein Haus kaufen

[languid totem]

I see, so normally you wouldn't say that, would you? 😄

You would say: Ich wollte ein Haus? 😄

[swift bough]

Most people say it that way

[languid totem]

Wunderbar! Thanks for the help! I've just joined the server to ask this question, but I already love it! 😄

[swift bough]

It will vary by region but in the most standard German that’s what’s the most common

[small sundial]

"Erste Studie zu diesem Thema, die den Laptopeinsatz an Schulen in Anbetracht die fachlichen Leistungen untersucht, wurde von Schaumburg und Issing im Jahr 2002 durchgeführt"

how can I write this sentence for die Zusammenfassung, I mean im Präsens?

that's obviously happening in past, so how?

[near folio]

wurde ändern und ein neues Jahr in der Zukunft finden?

[small sundial]

das Jahr kann ich nicht einfach ändern, das muss so sein 😄

dieser Text stammt aus einer wissenschaftlichen Studie, die ich zusammenfassen muss

[near folio]

sorry, ich weiß auch nicht, wie du das machen könntest, ohne dass du vielleicht den Satz komplett umformulierst.

[autumn marsh]

eh, what? 😄

[small sundial]

haha, sorry it must be hard to understand what I meant there 😄

I mean now I'm writing a Zusammenfassung and I'm confused how can I write this sentence in it. It should be im Präsens, right?

[autumn marsh]

why should it be in Präsenz ...?

is it your assignment to write it in Präsenz?

[small sundial]

no, shouldn't eine Zusammenfassung always in Präsens?

[autumn marsh]

first of all, you have to add/change this here:

"Eine erste Studie zu diesem Thema, die den Laptopeinsatz an Schulen in Anbetracht der fachlichen Leistungen untersucht, wurde von Schaumburg und Issing im Jahr 2002 durchgeführt"

[small sundial]

Ahh thank you for this 😄

[autumn marsh]

well sure but if you have something that obviously happens in the past, you can't use the Präsenz there 😄 haha

for me that sentence sounds perfectly valid and appropriate for a Zusammenfassung

[small sundial]

ahhh so, I read that Präsenz rule somewhere in internet and got confused, stucked for hours haha 😄

[autumn marsh]

if you want to force it into Präsenz, you have to re-write it, like: "Es gibt eine Studie aus dem Jahr 2002, durchgeführt von Schaumberg und Issing, welche den Laptopeinsatz ... [...]"

[small sundial]

Oh okey, I think I'm gonna leave it as it is.

[autumn marsh]

but to do it like you did is valid, i'd say.

[small sundial]

got it! thanks for your help

[autumn marsh]

but yea ofc, in general you're expected to use the Präsenz

something like: "Diese Untersuchung beschäftigt sich mit der Frage, welche Auswirkungen Laptops an Schulen haben"

for a first sentence

but after that you could add your phrase

[small sundial]

haha I was confused and trying hard to get everything in Präsenz

I understand what you meant

[autumn marsh]

and go on with:

"Daher untersucht der Autor weitergehend, ob es einen tieferen Zusammenhang gibt."

[small sundial]

ahhh this helped a lot!! thank you so much

🙏

[small sundial]

Does this sentence sound natural?

"Die Auswertung der Videos nach den kognitiv aktivierenden Unterrichtsgestaltungskriterien von Stahns (2013) zeigt, dass die Schüler im Grammatikunterricht ohne Tableteinsatz deutlich weniger aktiv sind als die Lehrkraft und nur 37% der Redezeit in Klassengesprächen beanspruchen."

[long whale]

Isn't that one of the sentences from yesterday? Yes, it's fine.

[small sundial]

Yes, but I made some changes 😅 Thanks!!

[fervent kernel]

Do you guys know how in English you can say "kind off/kinda" or you can add "-ish" at the end of a word

Like "it's kinda stupid" "it's kind of unnecessary"

"you are kinda cute"

Or "are you hungry? - eeh, kinda"

And "ISH" like "are you okay? " I am ok -ish"

Is there an equivalent in German?

[steel patrol]

The two words that come to mind are "ziemlich" and "quasi", but you probably wanna wait for someone else to answer... 😅

[mellow nova]

i think the closest would be -lich for some adjectives, or as the person above said ziemlich

[autumn marsh]

there is no -ish afaik

[mellow nova]

grünlich for example means greenish

[autumn marsh]

kind off/kinda is "ziemlich" yea, but it somewhat depends

well yea there are some words where it works, but it's not something you can do very often

it works for colors, that is true

at other times there is -artig

"holzartig" -> wood-ish (not sure you can do that), as in: reminding of wood

there are also some other words that take -lich, like "süßlich" or so, but it's not something that really works in general

[whole portal]

irgendwie

[fervent kernel]

So " du bist ziemlich süßlich" means " you are unexpectedly kinda cute"

[whole portal]

uh

no

It means you're pretty cute

[mellow nova]

british quite not american quite?

i think lol

[whole portal]

quite would also work I guess

[fervent kernel]

"Das Gemälde hat holzartige Farbe" maybe?

[autumn marsh]

nah that doesnt work

[mellow nova]

would it be quite as in 'somewhat' or quite as in 'a surprisingly large amount'

[whole portal]

Hölzerne Farbe also sounds like the color is made out of wood so yea

but woodish color also sounds weird in english to me

[fervent kernel]

I formulated myself wrongly. I meant "you are unexpectedly somewhat cute but not entirely cute"

This is basically what I what to say

[whole portal]

that's just called being awkward

[fervent kernel]

As informal as possible and as concise as possible

[autumn marsh]

i'd just use "schon" lol

"du bist schon süß"

[whole portal]

ziemlich does not convey the unexpectedly tho

[autumn marsh]

but that would mean something different

don't think we have a word for what you want to say

[whole portal]

„Du bist tatsächlich ziemlich süß.“?

[fervent kernel]

A Brown that remembers you of a tree's bark would be baumartig?

[autumn marsh]

no that would be holzfarben

[whole portal]

yea

[autumn marsh]

or rindenfarben

[mellow nova]

why would you want to say that tho

just wondering

seems a little backhanded lol

[whole portal]

das Braun sieht sehr realistisch aus

[autumn marsh]

realistisch? o.o

kann eine Farbe realistisch aussehen? 🤔

[fervent kernel]

Schon drückt eine Vermutung?

Wie wohl?

[autumn marsh]

drückt eine Vermutung aus

and no, "schon" is like "all things considered", kinda

[fervent kernel]

Also, to go back in the Deklination of an adjective, isn't there a Deklination to make a diminutive for them? Similar to chen

[autumn marsh]

"Das ist schon das dümmste, was ich je gesehen habe" > all things considered, this is the most stupid thing i ever saw

[fervent kernel]

"schmeckt's?" "Is gut-ling" like from Säug-ling

[autumn marsh]

it's the closest i can think of for "you're kinda cute", > du bist schon süß

[autumn marsh]

no

[fervent kernel]

What if you had tatsächlich before schon? DeepL says it means "You're actually cute already."

Fuck modalpartikeln are so hard I swear

[autumn marsh]

no doesn't work

and deepL is wrong there 😛

it translates "schon" as if it'd be used like, well, already (bereits)

but that is not what it says when you say "du bist schon süß"

[fervent kernel]

It's a concept that says compliments have to be like half positive half negative. Dont know why but it works in my mother language and with girls from my nation, so I'd figure it would work with German too

[mellow nova]

that's a very cultural thing, can't say if it works or not in german but it would not work in the usa at least

[autumn marsh]

doesn't quite work like that in german

also, "du bist schon süß" could also be followed by: "... aber ich habe einen Freund" for example

[mellow nova]

if someone came up and was like "Wow you actually are kinda cute" i'd be wondering why it's surprising that I could be considered cute haha

[fervent kernel]

As always, vielen Dank immensely for the extremely detaillierte Antwort @autumn marsh Ich freu mich, einen so vernünftigen Menschen begegnet zu sein

[autumn marsh]

like. "even though you're cute, i have a boyfriend"

depends on the tone how it's being said

[fervent kernel]

And Dank schön zu dir @whole portal

[fervent kernel]

That's the point, then you feel like you want to prove yourself

So it's you proving to me that you are cute

[mellow nova]

interesting, which country is this that you come from?

[fervent kernel]

Italy

[stable belfry]

alternatively could say „du bist recht süß“

didn‘t read the rest though, sorry if you already mentioned that later or earlier

[autumn marsh]

hmmmm well, that's more like "quite"

[stable belfry]

fair enough, it still has the possible „aber ich habe einen freund“ vibe though

lol

[autumn marsh]

yep haha

but "you're kinda cute" might follow up with "but i have a boyfriend" too 😄

[stable belfry]

these days anything can be followed up with the boyfriend argument

[fervent kernel]

The follow up by the girl, or by the man that says "du bist schon süß"?

[stable belfry]

by the girl

no

by whoever says

du bist schon süß

they could follow it up with a but something something

[autumn marsh]

there are just some things that you can not translate into another language no matter what you try

[fervent kernel]

Maybe the approach is wrong

[mellow nova]

just say it in italian maybe they'll find that attractive 🤔

[fervent kernel]

U can simply umdrehen die Worte and say " du bist rein gar nicht so schlecht wie ich dachte"

[stable belfry]

that almost sounds like an insult

[autumn marsh]

meh ... idk. i mean, you can say: "Du bist ja gar nicht so schlecht wie ich dachte" but it sounds like an insult

[stable belfry]

like you thought they would suck hard at first but they‘re not THAT bad

[autumn marsh]

haha ye

[fervent kernel]

that's the vibe I want

Thanks for helping me

[stable belfry]

what have i done

[fervent kernel]

[mellow nova]

just italian things i guess

[autumn marsh]

dont use "rein" there tho, use "ja" instead

with "rein" it does work but sounds weird

[fervent kernel]

I thought rein would put emphasis on the nicht but maybe it puts in on the schlecht

[stable belfry]

no no, you’re right, it‘s just not a word we use a lot

[autumn marsh]

no, it just means "überhaupt"

"du bist überhaupt nicht so schlecht wie ich dachte"

basically

[stable belfry]

don‘t think i ever heard anyone say „rein gar nicht“ in everyday conversations

it sounds a bit dramatic

[autumn marsh]

well, it'd be something i'd use but in other situations

"das hat rein gar nichts mit mir zu tun"

[stable belfry]

i might use it in a work environment

not with friends

[fervent kernel]

"das gehört rein gar nichts zu meinem Verantwortungsbereich" is korrekt?

[stable belfry]

rein gar nicht

without the s

[autumn marsh]

no that sounds really weird

[stable belfry]

but again, überhaupt would be more fitting

like ahcos said

[autumn marsh]

it would work with: "das hat rein gar nichts mit meinem Verantwortungsbereich zu tun"

[stable belfry]

true, that or Das gehört überhaupt nicht zu meinem Verantwortungsbereich

[autumn marsh]

but in your sentence, you'd have to use "überhaupt"

yep

[stable belfry]

anyway, gotta sleep, good night everyone

[autumn marsh]

gn x)

[fervent kernel]

I see a pattern, rein comes after the verb haben

Ich habe rein gar nichts getan

[autumn marsh]

works but sounds weird

don't try to find patterns, try to see what natives say and use that aswell

[fervent kernel]

[autumn marsh]

"ich habe überhaupt nichts getan" would work, but your sentence sounds off

well i mean, under very specific conditions it would work, but it sounds poetic

[fervent kernel]

"wir haben uns geschieden, weil ich rein gar nichts für sie machte"

Tell me this is right so I can go sleep happy

[autumn marsh]

nah, "überhaupt"

[fervent kernel]

[autumn marsh]

it's not wrong but it sounds off

also: "weil ich überhaupt nichts für sie gemacht habe"

it's not like your sentence is wrong, it's perfectly correct (apart from gemacht habe), but "rein gar nichts" is fairly strong

and sounds poetic

[fervent kernel]

Okay, I give up on it, überhaupt is good enough : 👍

[autumn marsh]

you can use "rein gar nichts", but be aware that you might sound dramatic/poetic/weird

it's not like it's forbidden or anything

[shut briar]

How do you say all of these

I have seen all dies, all das, alle von

"All of these are reasons why i love it"

[noble yacht]

In this example
"All das sind Gründe warum ich es mag"

But depends on your reasons too

[acoustic breach]

Hallo
Ich will nur fragen, ob ich das Verb "veranlassen" richtig benutzt habe. Leider habe ich keinen Kontext, weil mein Freund mich einfach nach der Bedeutung des Wortes gefragt hat.

~Er hat mich veranlasst, Deutsch zu lernen ("he made me learn German", irgendwie ist mein Freund der Grund, weswegen ich Deutsch lerne)~

Passt das Verb hier?

[long whale]

*mich nach der Bedeutung des Wortes gefragt hat - Yes, it fits.

[acoustic breach]

Danke!

[shut briar]

Ich kann nicht in meiner Muttersprache sprechen

In meiner oder auf meine?

[noble yacht]

"Ich kann nicht auf meiner Muttersprache sprechen"
@shut briar

[shut briar]

Ach so

So even deepl can be wrong

[noble yacht]

In is maybe right too, but "umgangssprachlich"

[shut briar]

Yeah, probably the effect of English

I recently learned that you don't say am ende des Tages in German

It's just schließlich

English uses 'must' as a assumption sometimes, can german do that too?

I want to say

I can imagine how bland i must sound to native speakers

Ich kann mir vorstellen, wie fade ich zu den Muttersprachlern klingen muss

Oder musste vielleicht

[near folio]

das kannst du auch sagen: https://www.linguee.de/deutsch-englisch/search?il=DE&tool=opensearch&query=am+ende+des+Tages

wird aber vielleicht nicht so oft wie im Englischen genutzt

[near folio]

ich glaube schon, müssen wird sehr ähnlich wie must verwendet, in dem Sinne, dass sie eine "Notwendigkeit" ausdrücken. Dein Satz drückt irgendwie eine "Notwendigkeit" aus, also passt muss gut, finde ich.

[shut briar]

Ich sehe es nicht wie eine Notwendigkeit, es ist mehr wie eine starke Vermutung nicht wahr?

You must have been stressed

It's not like saying you have to be stressed

[near folio]

ah, wenn du sowas meinst, dann ja, müssen kann auch genauso wie im Englischen verwendet werden, um eine starke Vermutung auszudrücken.

pass auf die Grammatik für die Vergangenheit auf: muss ... <Partizip II> haben/sein

dürfen kann auch eine Vermutung ausdrücken, aber es ist irgendwie schwächer. Du gehst nicht unbedingt dank Logik oder so davon aus, dass etwas so ist, aber du hältst es für wahrscheinlich:

[shut briar]

Das ist wirklich gut erklärt, welche Webseite ist es?

[near folio]

Es ist aus einem Buch: https://www.amazon.de/Hammers-Grammar-Routledge-Reference-Grammars/dp/1138853712

[mellow nova]

Hammers ist der Beste

[shut briar]

Ja ich habe darüber gelesen. Es kann von 'That should be enough' übersetzt

[shut briar]

Aber ich verstehe nicht braucht nicht hier

[scenic drift]

hammer's 😍

Hammer's ist ja hammer

[near folio]

DER HAMMER

🔨

[near folio]

was meinst du denn genau?

[shut briar]

'Nicht brauchen' kann auch benutzen werden für eine Vermutung auszudrücken aber ich verstehe nicht wie

[near folio]

es steht im Bild unter c, ist wohl einfach ein Alternativ zu nicht müssen

[mellow nova]

in english: but he doesn't have to, must doesn't translate in this scenario

[near folio]

es ist vielleicht wie need to, insofern als es sanfter ist.

[shut briar]

Oh so like he didn't come today, but it doesn't mean he's sick

[mellow nova]

yeah

[mellow nova]

'but he doesn't therefore have to be sick'

[near folio]

https://www.deutschplus.net/pages/Modalverb_mussen

[mellow nova]

more directly

[shut briar]

Ach so es wird bestimmt hilfreich

[shut briar]

I often say nicht directly after brauchst, i guess this one sounds better

[shut briar]

So just to confirm, this is okay? I have to be sure cause I'm writing it in a scholarship essay

[mellow nova]

Ich denke ich würde sagen
Ich kann mir vorstellen, wie fade Ich in den Ohren der Muttersprachler klingen muss

aber müssen passt

[rotund kelp]

Beides ist richtig.

[lilac trout]

What is "Allgemeinen Deutschen Nikolausbundes" ?

[rotund kelp]

wachsende Gewaltbereitschaft= Growing agressivewillingness at teenagers

[scenic drift]

i suspect it's just something they've invented for the exercise :)

i guess it's meant to refer to the 6th december gifting tradition

a wee bit too much cultural context for A-Level 🙈

[acoustic breach]

Hallo
Ich wollte eine Grammatik-Thema wiederholen, aber ich habe der Name der Grammatik vergessen

Es geht darum:
Man braucht ein Handy. Ich habe eines. <- "eines" hier ist im Akkusativ statt Genitive.

Hier ist eigentlich die Frage:
"Was ist dein Niveau deiner Deutschkenntnisse?" Kann ich "Meines ist B2" antworten?
Gilt die Grammatik-Regel auch bei Pronomen?

[mellow nova]

Indefinitpronomen?

und ja man kann das sagen

[spring socket]

Das haste Gzuz sicherlich persönlich auch gesagt, oder?

I'm wondering if this contraction of 'hast du' applies to other pronouns?

[mellow nova]

du weißt schon, 'Meines' bezieht sich auf 'das Niveau' nicht die Deutschkenntnisse, oder?

[fallow ledge]

es comes to mind, you can shorten it to just an added s

hat's

[fervent kernel]

Hatse = hat sie
haste = hast du
hatta = hat er

May be dialectal

and also only used in speech

[spring socket]

hatta, that's a new one

haste

[fervent kernel]

(I wouldn't recommend using them as a learner, though its important to be able to understand them)

[spring socket]

haste ihm gesagt, er muss sein Zimmer aufräumen?

[fervent kernel]

👍 though more commonly: "haste ihm gesagt dass er sein Zimmer aufräumen muss?"

[acoustic breach]

Ja das weiß ich
Trotzdem, danke!

[spring socket]

very interesting stuff. Thanks!

[fervent kernel]

In some southern dialects there are even more

[mellow nova]

ah okay ich war nicht sicher weil du zu Akkusativ statt Genitiv fragst

[fervent kernel]

⚠️ highly dialectal ⚠️
hamma = haben wir
hob-i = habe ich

[fallow ledge]

mir gefallen die Warnschilder

[wide arch]

Hallo!!
Ich möchte euch alle um etwas bitten.
Obwohl ich mein B2 abgeschlossen habe, mache ich viele Fehler beim Sprechen auf Deutsch.
Ich möchte mit jemanden im Voice-Chat sprechen, der mich korrigiert, wenn ich beim Sprechen einen Fehler mache.

[fervent kernel]

Sie sind richtig und wichtig

[icy flax]

Dabei würde ich dir empfehlen, einfach viele Podcasts und Videos anschauen, und auch mit Anderen sprechen wie du gerade kannst. Dass du merkst, dass du Fehler machst, ist auch gut, weil das dich auch dazu führen wird, im Lauf der Zeit keine mehr zu machen. An dieser Stelle, @wide arch, hilft dir nur Hören und Sprechen. Ich glaub, wenn da Leute wären, die dich ständig korrigieren, würde es dir sehr schnell todlangweilig werden.

Wenn du zum VC kommst, füge "(korrigiere mich, bitte)" zu deinem Nickname hinzu.

[hot anvil]

Hallo, ich hab' eine Frage. Ist
,,Die Sozialarbeiterin hat schon manchem einsamen Menschen geholfen?"
oder
,,Die Sozialarbeiterin hat schon manchen einsamen Menschen geholfen?"
richtig (manchem oder manchen)?

[scenic drift]

i think manchen?
it's jemandem helfen, so takes dative. "Menschen" is plural, so "manchen Menschen"

[delicate tiger]

should be singular (not plural), so the first

[long whale]

Both are fine. It's a bit like saying "she's helped the odd person" vs. "she's helped some people" - meaning's the same (at least in German), Grammar's a bit different, both are valid.

@scenic drift

[scenic drift]

ah, thank you 🙏 i forgot you can interpret it as a singular as well

[wide arch]

Danke vielmals @icy flax!!

[wide arch]

Können Sie mir Podcasts suggerieren?

[scenic drift]

depends what you're interested in / what your level is. i really like Lage der Nation.

[wide arch]

I'm done with B2

My sentence construction is a bit disoriented. So I'm open to any theme!

[scenic drift]

lage der nation will be perfect for your level! i started listening when i'd finished b2 :)

oh i have a few more! lemme just get me phone out

Süddeutsche Zeitung - Das Thema
Zeit Online - Servus. Grüezi. Hallo. (great for expanding your understanding of austrian/swiss german!)
Zeit Online - Wie war das im Osten?

Zeit online actually do a load of really interesting ones

you will certainly be able to find stuff for jsut about any interest 😅

i also really enjoyed Auslegungssache (https://www.heise.de/hintergrund/Auslegungssache-Der-Datenschutz-Podcast-des-c-t-Magazins-5069656.html) which is great for more legal-focussed vocab :)

[scenic drift]

@wide arch so you do'nt miss it!

[night dagger]

this channel is reserved for questions about german grammar :)

[delicate tiger]

(Im Internet duzt man sich normalerweise, "to suggest" ist normalerweise nicht "suggerieren")

[noble yacht]

suggest ~ vorschlagen, nahelegen

[stable belfry]

could also use empfehlen in this context, which translates to to recommend

-> Könnt ihr mir Podcasts empfehlen?
= Can you (plural) recommend me podcasts?

[icy flax]

These are the ones I most listen to:

• [SCIENCE] Methodisch inkorrekt! (they are wonderful physicists hehe) https://open.spotify.com/show/0xkq762OekJOnosa34C8Se?si=6cfe5999c30d408c
• [BLABBER] Fest & Flauschig (these two are just funny and sometimes express their political views) https://open.spotify.com/show/1OLcQdw2PFDPG1jo3s0wbp?si=8439e2f6c6704e37
• [NEWS] Auf den Punkt by the Süddeutsche Zeitung https://open.spotify.com/show/7vFmyZR3rDf61V69UpRXbA?si=6bd2a7e9b84b419e

[hollow vapor]

What's the difference between "zukünftig" and "künftig"?

[icy flax]

as far as I can see, no relevant one.
https://www.dwds.de/wb/zukünftig
https://www.dwds.de/wb/künftig

Although there's also this:

künftig "potentiel, eventuel, erwartungsgemäß". Dabei ist Kunde, kennen aber abzugrenzen als von einer anderen Wurzel abgeleitet als Zukunft, kommen. Dagegen ist zukünftig zweifelsohne von Zukunft abzuleiten. Denkbar wäre, dass zu als eigenes Wort verstanden und etwa aus zu künftigen Treffen abgespalten hat.
Source: https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/53485/unterschied-zwischen-künftig-und-in-der-zukunft#:~:text=künftig "potentiel%2C eventuel%2C erwartungsgemäß,zu künftigen Treffen abgespalten hat.

[stable belfry]

künftig means from now on while zukünftig is future-

for example you could say „Meine zukünftige Frau“ = My future wife, if you aren‘t married yet

using künftig in the same example would imply that you just got married

so künftig is starting now and everything from now on, while zukünftig is a little further away

[cosmic tendon]

why we say bemühe dich and not bemüh dich ?

[left crown]

Bemüh dich works too, but it's less formal

[scenic drift]

to be clear, you need an imperative construction there, not present simple

@cosmic tendon both forms are acceptable (bemüh dich! and bemühe dich!). many verbs have two options like that in the imperative

[night dagger]

du könntest ZEIT ONLINE gucken :) ich finde sie alle gut.

[hollow vapor]

Could you make a sentence using "künftig" ? I can't imagine in what situations I might need that adjective.

[scenic drift]

"der künftige US-Präsident", for example.

in fact i think that's the flashcard i have for künftig...

[hollow vapor]

xDD

[scenic drift]

there's two instances in context here: https://www.br.de/nachrichten/deutschland-welt/joe-biden-der-kuenftige-us-praesident-im-portraet,SEnSCRs

In seiner Siegesrede gab sich der künftige US-Präsident versöhnlich

[fervent kernel]

meine künftige stif mutter ist heiß 😳

[royal wyvern]

Is there any difference between denn and weil? In the usage of 'because' as a conjunction

All that I've noticed is that denn doesn't change sentence structure while weil does as usual with multi clause sentences

Is there any sentences one or the other cannot be used?

Please @ me if answering

[night dagger]

they mean the same thing, although I hear and see „weil“ used a bit more when speaking

[royal wyvern]

It feels a bit more natural to me too..

[mellow nova]

you cannot start a sentence with denn

correctly at least

[royal wyvern]

Do you know why weil changes sentence structure and weil doesnt?

[mellow nova]

but they're otherwise the same, other than the sentence structure you noticed

[night dagger]

Subjunction vs conjunction

And you will actually notice many natives ignoring the word order change with „weil“

just happens 🤷

[royal wyvern]

Even though it's not technically correct?

[mellow nova]

I would love for you to find me any language where speakers are grammatically correct on a daily basis haha

[royal wyvern]

'Ich muss mehr lernen, weil mein Deutsch schlecht ist' is that right? Might one say 'weil mein Deutsch ist schlecht' also?

[night dagger]

umgangssprachlich

[mellow nova]

first is correct

[night dagger]

yes

weil mein Deutsch so schlecht ist

Would be correct

Weil mein Deutsch ist so schlecht

Would be umgangssprachlich

[royal wyvern]

What does that word mean?

[long whale]

colloquial

[royal wyvern]

Gotcha!

[long whale]

And if you do that in an exam, points get taken off. 🤷

[royal wyvern]

This makes sense, I'll get in the habit of using weil as supposed to though since I want a German speaking job eventually

[night dagger]

Use Hochdeutsch in exams

[royal wyvern]

Also I can't do multi clause sentences very efficiently and need to practice that alot

[night dagger]

That comes with practice

[royal wyvern]

Yeah

Danke für eure Hilfe ^^

[fervent kernel]

Quick question: Is Duolingo effective?

[long whale]

faq duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[fervent kernel]

Oh Danke

[royal wyvern]

I've been jumping on Lingvist a bit after going like halfway through the duo course. Duo has been nice for me but I have too much free time on my job

[fervent kernel]

I think it’ll be good for vocabulary

[royal wyvern]

It will with their new course update!

I went through before they added the new units and before it felt like my grammar was A2 or maybe even scratching the surface of B1, but my vocabulary was stuck in A1

But with the 2 whole new units they added, it shooould be more effective for thay purpose

[mellow nova]

I cannot recommend making your own flashcards decks on ankidroid enough

find it much more useful personally

[royal wyvern]

I'll take a look into it!

[tender sedge]

@royal wyvern I would die for you podzol block

[royal wyvern]

❤

[wide arch]

Danke sehr @night dagger @scenic drift @icy flax !!!!

[stable belfry]

„Künftig gilt an allen deutschen Arbeitsplätzen die 3G-Regel.“

[potent hawk]

But you are not supposed to do it all today. Please do the corrections as per your convenience.
Aber du solltest das alles nicht heute erledigen. Führe die Kontrolle nach Belieben durch/Nimm die Korrektur bitte nach Belieben vor.
Könnte jemand bitte überprüfen, ob meine Sätze richtig formuliert sind? Auch könnten Sie mir sagen, welcher von den letzten Sätzen im Imperativ natürlich klingt?
Oder soll ich den letzten Teil meines Textes eher so umformulieren. Nimm die Korrektur bitte erst vor, wann es dir passt*
(p.s. My last suggestion is correct, I think. I'm just wondering, if nach Belieben will be fine to use in this context.)

[wintry geode]

der Zapfenstreich is a old military tradition where they march with torches and play music

[potent hawk]

Könnte ein Muttersprachler mir bitte mit dieser Frage helfen?🙏

[wintry geode]

every year

[fervent kernel]

Also ich kann dir helfen wenn du willst, wenn es um Deutsche Sätze geht jedenfalls…

[echo spear]

Ein besonderes Kriterium bei
der Vergabe des Titels war, dass die Gaststätte bis heute ohne
unterbrechung geöffnet haben musste
is that Modalverb mit Passiv or Aktiv or Perfekt ? im confused

[neat siren]

Hello. Can all verbs take -er and -ung(both) at the end or some can take only one and others the other? If so, how to differ them?

Like, I have the verb wandern in my textbook and the author has added -er to it at the end and it became a noun der Wanderer. Can it also get -ung?

[mellow nova]

der Wanderer would be the hiker, die Wanderung would be the hike

-ung suffix makes verbs into nouns, the -er (and -erin) is for a person

not positive on the rules as to which nouns can/cannot take those suffixes though

[neat siren]

Okay, thank you. On my workbook, we had to add both -er and -ung on the verbs on an exercise, but I got confused at the textbook, which had separated the verbs it used.

[swift bough]

There is also Wandern as a noun but don’t worry too much about it rn, like verbs can also be nouns in that way too

Just a heads-up

That can happen with all verbs

[neat siren]

Alright, thanks

[neat siren]

You mean about adding those two suffixes?

[swift bough]

No not really with the -ung

Just the other one

[neat siren]

Oh, okay

[mellow nova]

I tried looking it up and it seems rather random

which verbs can take -ung

[swift bough]

Yeah no for the -ung it can’t happen with everything

Like wtf would Müssung mean

XD

[neat siren]

XD

[mellow nova]

requirement?

[neat siren]

yeah

[neat siren]

[swift bough]

There is a similar one

[mellow nova]

they're always feminine and mean the same thing as -ing or -tion though in english

if that helps

[swift bough]

das Muss is a real word

[mellow nova]

oh really lol

[swift bough]

Yeah it’s like „thats a must“

In that sort of sense

[neat siren]

cool

[mellow nova]

i never thought about it but that is kind of an odd word

[fervent kernel]

Does das Dürfen exist?

[swift bough]

I‘m pretty sure it does, but that’s gonna be extremely rare ofc

Because when you change a verb into a noun (without the -ung) it describes basically the concept of said verb

Whereas something with -ung is more of something actually being done

[fervent kernel]

I’ve never heard of das Dürfen tho..

[swift bough]

Yeah you really probably won’t ever either

[mellow nova]

i can't find it in duden but who knows

[swift bough]

Theoretically you could have it

But just not with -ung

[icy flax]

das Zeichen, die Zeichnung (product)

[mellow nova]

zeichen isn't a verb though, is it?

[swift bough]

He meant das Zeichnen I think

[fervent kernel]

Zeichnen?

Yep

[mellow nova]

oh

well that's to design vs the design

or draw/drawing

[swift bough]

But there is no reason for it to exist or for anyone to use it, that’s why you’ve never heard it, I mean even I’ve never heard of it, but I was just thinking about the fundamental difference between things like das Zeichnen and die Zeichnung and how the former could theoretically work with every verb, although there’s little to zero reason to ever need such a thing @fervent kernel

[icy flax]

@fervent kernel, check "Die Prinzen - Dürfen darf man alles". Your point reminded of this song.

[fervent kernel]

😂 ok mach ich

[potent hawk]

Yes it would be a great help if you could help me with this:

But you are not supposed to do it all today. Please do the corrections as per your convenience.
Aber du solltest das alles nicht heute erledigen. Führe die Kontrolle nach Belieben durch/Nimm die Korrektur bitte nach Belieben vor.
Könnte jemand bitte überprüfen, ob meine Sätze richtig formuliert sind? Auch könnten Sie mir sagen, welcher von den letzten Sätzen im Imperativ natürlich klingt?
Oder soll ich den letzten Teil meines Textes eher so umformulieren. Nimm die Korrektur bitte erst vor, wann es dir passt*
(p.s. I am not sure whether it will be wann or wenn Nimm die Korrektur bitte erst vor, wann es dir passt. Also, tell me if nach Belieben will be fine to use in this context.)

[proven sphinx]

Rather than "solltest", I'd say "musst". And I don't know if you'd really say "nach Belieben" here, even though it doesn't sound wrong.

"Wenn es dir passt" really is much more idiomatic in this case, I'd say.

Aber du musst nicht alles schon heute erledigen. Du kannst die Korrektur vornehmen, wann immer es dir passt.

[potent hawk]

Thanks a lot, but you just said that it should be "Wenn es dir passt" to make it sound more natural. Why did you switch to wann later then ? I am a bit confused, sorry 😦

[proven sphinx]

wenn = when/if
wann immer = whenever

[potent hawk]

oh okay thanks a lot I get it now 🙂

[proven sphinx]

"wenn" usually implies a condition, though. It's more like "if".

Eh, I think "wann" does indeed fit better here.

[potent hawk]

lol okay I was breaking my head on this question for half an hour now 😛
until I finally decide to search for passt and bang on it's wann like you suggested
https://www.dict.cc/?s=passt

[proven sphinx]

Both are correct, but they don't mean the same thing

Wenn es dir passt = if it suits you
Wann es dir passt = when it suits you

[potent hawk]

Yes but it this context here I want to say when implying the zeitliche aspect 🙂

[proven sphinx]

Yep, then it's "wann".

[lethal shale]

Could someone help me? I need to make a sentence in Imperativ using these words and starting with "ihr" (or its changed form)
ihr / wir / frisches Brot / vom Bäcker / holen / ! (Imperativ)

[fallow ledge]

Whats your attempt?

You can start with just trying to form the verb in the right way

Also as a hint you need to change wir to dative

[lethal shale]

Yeah, but the problem is, that I don't see how this sentence should look like, even in my language 😵‍💫

[fallow ledge]

Go get us fresh bread from the baker

[lethal shale]

Okay, danke!

[hollow vapor]

Letzlich habe ich mich bewusst dafür entschieden, auf ein Auto zu verzichten.

I have some problems with the construction of that sentence. Is it completely correct?

[autumn marsh]

yes

[hollow vapor]

ty

[potent hawk]

Ich traue meinem Verständnis nicht, deswegen frage ich euch, um mein Verständnis zu bestätigen.
In dem Duden steht unter der Bedeutung "in bestimmter Weise einschätzen, beurteilen, empfinden" folgende Beispiele:
ich finde (bin der Meinung), dass er sehr ungerecht ist;
Tobler fand es (hielt es) für das Vernünftigste, laut zu lachen."
Anhand dieser Beispiele denke ich, dass es korrekt wäre, wenn ich diesen Satz so schreibe – Ich finde (es??) schlecht, dass du mich über deine Entscheidung nicht informiert hast.
Also soll ich in diesen Satz eher auch es hinzufügen.

[noble yacht]

You need the "es", right

[potent hawk]

Sir but I was just skimming through the Langenscheidt Grosswoerterbuch and the following entry is given there-
finden (+ Nebensatz) die Meinung haben, dass ... ≈ meinen (1):
Findest du nicht auch, dass er jetzt viel älter aussieht?; Ich finde, er lügt;
So I think it is acceptable to leave out the es then?
it's sooo confusing😩

[noble yacht]

hm.. I don't know the exact rule right now, but maybe this will help you: https://easy-deutsch.de/pronomen/pronomen-es/

[long whale]

Did the link help? Otherwise, I could try to explain. :)

[potent hawk]

No thanks madam I understood it now 🙂
Thanks a lot anyway:)

[echo spear]

Any help plz ?

[merry python]

The modal verb "müssen" is in Präteritum, if that answers your question

[sudden cloud]

hey, what is the "polytechnisch oberschule". Is that equal to university?

[echo spear]

i know it is i mean haben +pp is wat Passiv or Aktiv . wat is this rule
Modalverben mit Perfekt or wat ?

[fervent kernel]

The POS is decomissioned. It was used in the GDR

[sudden cloud]

oh

[delicate tiger]

Something I've never heard of, and probably exists only in a single Bundesland

[sudden cloud]

so there is no university in the categories?

[fervent kernel]

The POS is decomissioned. It was used in the GDR

[fervent kernel]

Nope

[sudden cloud]

thanks 👍🏻

and one more thing; the "allgemein schulabscluss" Is that like primary and secondary school in england

like that basic one from ca. 6 - 15 years od

old

[fervent kernel]

You mean Allgemeine Hochschulreife?

[fervent kernel]

Oh I see

They mean everyone that left school before graduation

[sudden cloud]

but graduation for what? high school?

[fervent kernel]

Graduation from secondary school

[sudden cloud]

ok, I see

[merry python]

I'm not really sure how to answer that, but maybe you could check out this website: https://deutsch-coach.com/aktiv-und-passiv-mit-modalverben-eine-tabelle/
It explains modal verbs in the different tenses and active / passive

[echo spear]

oh TY

[neat siren]

Hi. I have this sentence Du spielst Fußball gegen einen großen Mann. . I understand that the word after the preposition gegen takes Akkusative. Why does groß do the same? And, I've seen Nachnamen take different endings on other sentences.

[tropic thistle]

groß has the form that it does because it is describing Mann, and as you point out the object of gegen has to be accusative. So the article and adjective change forms to express that they are associated with that accusative noun.

[neat siren]

So, the adjective takes the ending based on the article's gender.

What about in this sentence Und einmal pro Woche darf ich sogar ein kleines Stuck Kuchen essen. ?

ein kleines

[tropic thistle]

an adjective before a noun that describes it ("attributive" position) has to agree with the noun (it will also agree with the article, but it is the noun that determines all the features)

In your classes (or self-study) have you covered adjective endings (Adjektivendungen) yet?

[neat siren]

Probably. I've actually learnt German(or should have) for a couple of years in school, but haven't put much effort into it. That said, looking at my textbook, I'd say that yeah, we should have

[tropic thistle]

ok, so the basic principle is that descriptive adjectives before nouns receive endings, to express gender and case of whatever they are modifying ("adjective agreement")

[scenic drift]

this video gets posted a lot to learn about adjective endings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgRDUCnH2Ps

it's something where there's a tooon of resources to learn about online, you're probably best off watching a few videos :)

[neat siren]

okay, thank you

[swift bough]

Keep in mind that it’s Stück not Stuck, if you can’t write ü, then write ue, as it makes the same sound, but just u does not. Changing out a ü for u is like if you changed out an a for an e in English.

[neat siren]

Okay

[tropic thistle]

however, there are different endings that they receive, based on whether they are

-appearing alone (i.e. without an article)
-appearing after an ein-type article ("strong endings")
-appearing after a der-type article ("weak endings")

if you prefer a text format, this worksheet may also be useful
https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/adjektivendungenexpl.html

[scenic drift]

i stan that webpage so much 🙏

[neat siren]

Yeah, my keyboard isn't in German and I couldn't find ü fast, so I just put u instead of it. Thanks for the heads up

[neat siren]

Thank you

[neat siren]

Thank you

[swift bough]

In this case it’s not a huge deal but in some cases it changes the entire meaning

Especially with verbs

[neat siren]

Yeah. I don't leave the dots off the u when writing with my pen at least

I'll use ue from now on on pc

[swift bough]

It’s the same for ö and ä btw so like ä = ae and ö = ie

Oe*

[neat siren]

alrighty

[swift bough]

Don’t stress too much about it it’s s pretty common beginner mistake

[neat siren]

Okay

[crisp island]

Guys did anyone pass the A1 exam?

[neat siren]

Just watched this vid and now I got an idea as to why the adjectives get those endings. Now just have to learn the full chart for tomorrow

Thanks again, guys

[scenic drift]

for learning teh endings i do really recommend this page, it's what i used:
https://www.nthuleen.com/teach/grammar/adjektivendungenexpl.html

[neat siren]

alright, will deffo check it out

[sharp bear]

So my dad is Dutch (I’m american and only know a bit of it), and i know that in Dutch “lekker” seems to be commonly used to mean well or good, like in “slaap lekker”/“sleep well.” Is it the same in German, or is lecker only used when you’re saying something is literally tasty?

[wise pendant]

The latter

[spring socket]

can you use Verhalten to refer to someone's behaviour? Ich kritiziere sein Verhalten.

[wintry geode]

Yes

For example: Wir können dieses Verhalten nicht mehr tolerieren.

[wintry geode]

kritisiere

[spring socket]

Thank you! @wintry geode

[delicate tiger]

in some border dialects it has the broader Dutch meaning, but in Standard German no.

[sudden jackal]

Is there a difference between Benehmen and Verhalten?

[wise pendant]

Similar to manner vs behaviour

[sudden jackal]

I see. Thanks!

[ruby ferry]

I'm trying to say 'so it's important for the people to like the prince in order for him to remain in power', my best guess is Also ist es wichtig, dass das Volk den Fürst mag, um er an der Macht zu bleiben. but i dont think thats right somehow 😭

[wise pendant]

Take a look at how you used um

[proven sphinx]

You can't use the subject after "um". It just doesn't work that way. If you want to express a similar meaning, you have to use "damit".

[ruby ferry]

ahhh ok!

thank u !

[fervent veldt]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "aussehen wie" und "aussehen nach"?

[mellow nova]

aussehen wie means to look like in terms of physical characteristics
aussehen nach is to look like as in more internal characteristics I suppose

Du siehst wie dein Hund aus
You resemble your dog.

Das sieht nach einem schwierigen Konzept aus
That looks like a difficult concept

or Es sieht nach Regen aus
it looks like it will rain

[swift bough]

With ‚nach‘ it’s more like something literally is like something else, whereas with ‚wie‘ it’s just a comparison between two things, that two things are very similar

[mellow nova]

mm idk if I agree with that, the rain example isn't literal

and is grammatically correct

[swift bough]

For the rain example yeah no @mellow nova but for most cases yes

Like if you say „das sieht aus wie scheiße“ you’re not saying it literally looks like shit but instead it has bad qualities to it just like shit does

But if you say „das sieht nach scheiße aus“ it’s literally like something looks exactly like shit

That’s how I’ve understood it for a long while

Although for the rain example it’s still kind of True because if you say „das sieht aus wie Regen“ you’re merely comparing something to rain and saying it reminds you of it

Whereas „nach“ is like yeah it looks exactly like rain or it’s going to rain

[mellow nova]

If you're in your kitchen unsure of what to cook for dinner and see only rice you can say
Es sieht nach Reis aus
I dont see how that is literally looking like rice?

[swift bough]

Also with „sieht aus wie“ it can be literally or figuratively

[swift bough]

Huh? Why would you even say it looks like rice in that situation in English?

[mellow nova]

More idiomatically it would be 'Looks like it'll be rice', but that's the german translation

[swift bough]

Ah like that. Well imo in that situation in German you would probably say more of something like „Es sieht so aus, als hätten wir nur noch Reis“ „it looks like all we have is Rice“

[mellow nova]

Maybe thats a better translation but my sentence is still completely usable in this situation

on the topic of aussehen nach

[swift bough]

You could also say „Das Essen sieht heute Abend nach Reis aus“ As kind of a sarcastic way to say it

Because with „nach“ it can be like a prediction, like with the rain

Like well, it looks like it’s gonna rain

Or welp looks like we’ll only have rice

[fervent kernel]

That would be understood by many if context is provided. But it's not too formal to say the least.

Like "Was gibt es heute zu essen?"
"Sieht nach Reis aus"

[swift bough]

Basically what I said here too

[mellow nova]

yeah I'm not really worried about formality just the concept of nach vs wie with this verb

it still isn't a 'literally looks like rice'

[swift bough]

There are almost always exceptions to rules when learning languages, I didn’t mean that’s the only possible thing it can mean, but it’s definitely one of the common ones

I mean still, if all you have is rice, are you not literally forced to only eat rice?

Unless you go buy more food

[near folio]

verhungern

[mellow nova]

appearing like rice and the conclusion of 'all we have is rice, so it appears as if that is what we will have to eat' is a bit of a jump imo

[swift bough]

When I answer questions here I can’t always think of every single exception to every rule, I‘m not a robot

[fervent kernel]

No you're an alien.

[swift bough]

Yes

[mellow nova]

i don't expect you to, i just don't think thats an exception

[swift bough]

It makes sense to me though

[swift bough]

Then what is it

I already understand what it means / when to use what (aussehen nach or wie) but if I am explaining it in a way which doesn’t make sense to you, well good for you, then find a way that it makes sense to you to fundamentally understand it. Not everyone thinks of everything in the same way, that’s alright.

[hollow vapor]

Wen die Kriminalität dieser Teilen Limas Stadt nicht belastet, kann natürlich eine sehr billige Wohnung bezahlen.

I feel like something is wrong in that sentence.

[autumn marsh]

yea, a lot actually :F

not even sure what you want to say, maybe something like...

"Wenn die Kriminalität diesen Teil der Stadt Lima nicht belastet, kann man sich dort natürlich eine sehr billige Wohnung leisten."

(If criminality does not affect that part of Lima City, one can afford a cheap flat there of course.)

but that does not really make sense, 'cause why would the rent go down if the crimilalityrate goes down or is non-existant ..

[tropic thistle]

I think they mean "Whomever the criminality does not affect..." (wen als Akkusativ von wer)

[autumn marsh]

ahhh

now i see

[tropic thistle]

But it took me a couple of readings to get there

[swift bough]

There was a German here the other day that said they always forget the difference between wenn and wen I mean which one is pronounced as what

So even they wrote wen when they meant wenn sometimes

Not like that’s the first time I’ve seen that with a native either

[autumn marsh]

"Wen die Kriminalität in diesen Teilen der Stadt Lima nicht belastet, der muss nur wenig für eine Wohnung bezahlen."

that works. but it's really really clunky

wait no

now it works

[tropic thistle]

Oh yeah

[autumn marsh]

still clunky 😄

[tropic thistle]

Thanks I didn't even notice the logical disjunct until you fixed it

Just had that weird "...something's off" feeling

[hollow vapor]

I were taught with these types of exercises. I know it's extremely weird to use these kinds of sentences (wer... , der ... - sentence) in real life, but something didn't sit right with me: they just want me to learn how to use "wen" and "wem", don't they?

I was just a *bit *confused about what I was actually supposed to learn.

My homework is already finished btw

ty and good night

[keen fog]

What does euch mean?

[swift bough]

It is the dative and accusative version of „ihr“, which means „you guys“

[solid hull]

y’all*

[swift bough]

If you talk like that, then yes, that too

[solid hull]

[mellow nova]

gonna mention y'all but not youse

tsk tsk

[solid hull]

Y’all is the superior plural pronoun
It shall become standard inshallah 🙏 🤲

[swift bough]

nein

[mellow nova]

being standard is so boring though

it's all just 'you'

[swift bough]

I just strongly dislike the word y’all but I don’t hate anyone for using it

[solid hull]

Being standard means being accepted

[solid hull]

Big 🧢

[mellow nova]

yall lovers, yall haters, we can all come together to agree that 'ye/yeerselves/yeers' is the worst pronoun

[solid hull]

yeers?? Where

[potent hawk]

Könnte ein Muttersprachler mir sagen, ob ich hier ein "in" einfügen soll? Jemand hat mir gesagt, dass es doch in Ordnung ist, wenn ich den Satz so verlasse.
Ich denke die letzen Tage ( oder in den letzten Tagen? ) sehr über deine Stärken und Kämpfe nach.
Gewährt mir bitte einen Einblick in dieser Tatsache.

[mellow nova]

newfoundland and some places in ireland

[night dagger]

bin kein Muttersprachler aber „in den letzen Tagen hab ich sehr oft über … gedacht“ geht, absolut.

„an“ als ne Preposition geht hier auch.

[gaunt smelt]

hey guys quick question is it better to say "Mit freundlichen Grüßen" oder "Mit herzlichen Grüßen" wenn ich mich bewerben will.

[night dagger]

Freundlich ist ein bisschen formaler oder?

freundlichen*

also normalerweise verwende ich halt freundlichen

[potent hawk]

Ok vielen Dank für deine Hilfe. Ich habe auch auf in den letzten Tagen sehr oft begegnet. Aber diese Person, die mir vorgeschlagen hat, die letzten Tage zu benutzten, ist ein sehr fortgeschrittener Sprachlernende. Deswegen habe ich einen Muttersprachler um seinen Rat angesprochen. Trotzdem bin ich für deine Bemerkung sehr dankbar, liebes

[delicate tiger]

"an etwas denken" oder "über etwas nachdenken"

[night dagger]

ja vielleicht könnte einfach „denken“ ein bisschen zu passiv hier

[long whale]

It would be "etwas über etwas denken", and it means something different: "to have an opinion about something" -> it does not work here (nothing to do with passivity). Ich habe über XY gedacht is simply nonsensical. 🤷

[night dagger]

ok, was ist mit „ich hab daran gedacht?“ denn? @long whale

[long whale]

What it means? Depending on context, something like "I've had this thought", "It was in my mind/thoughts", also "I remembered it", "I was reminiscing about it" :)

[night dagger]

Okey also über etwas denken geht nicht, aber an etwas denken geht.

[long whale]

*daran etwas denken - correct. :)

[night dagger]

oops

[long whale]

But that's what Dead Cat said, anyway. :)

[night dagger]

okey

ty ty

[neat siren]

Let's say I have an exam on German in like 3 hrs. It's level is A2.2. And let's assume I have lazed around these last 6 years. How should I go around acing it?

[scenic drift]

step 1 is to build a time machine :)

or figure out what the exam will test and try to cram it. but 3 hours is really a very short amount of time for that. if you'd said 3 weeks...

[potent hawk]

@long whale @delicate tiger Die Diskussion über "denken" ergibt sich eigentlich aus meiner ursprünglichen Frage , aber leider hat sie noch niemand beantwortet. Könnte jemand von Ihnen bitte einen Blick darauf werfen?😅

[potent hawk]

@delicate tiger @long whale Here is my original question 🙂

[long whale]

It's fine with either. However, I'd definitely change the tense to Perfekt. :)

[neat siren]

So, I just need to do some inventions got it

1hr left

Gonna have a blast

actually, I got time, cuz time machine...

[neat siren]

I kinda have the idea of the questions

I'll just pray she'll let us keep our phones

[long whale]

Be warned, though - we won't help you cheat. :)

[neat siren]

https://tenor.com/view/the-office-michael-scott-i-tried-i-tried-i-tried-i-give-up-gif-18841827

[grizzled perch]

yo

[neat siren]

Alr, aced it

[shut briar]

Die Ehe ist sowieso überbewertet

Klingt er natürlich?

Does it have the sense of

"Marriage is overrated anyway"

[wise pendant]

Yes

[merry python]

The main difference between "Drogerien" and "Apotheken" is that "Apotheken" primarily sell prescription medicine. "Drogerien", on the other hand, sell only over-the-counter medicines and also other everyday products.

[wise pendant]

Yes

[hot sequoia]

What's the difference between "Kein Danke" and "Nein Danke"? Are they different to each other or do they mean the same thing?

[long whale]

Kein Danke doesn't exist. :)

[hot sequoia]

Good to know, thanks

[long whale]

(Not unless you're talking very, very specific context, like somebody complaining they didn't get thanked, in which case it would possibly appear within a sentence.)

[mellow nova]

it would be kein Dank in that case though, yeah?

Dank doesn't have plural I think

[long whale]

Mm... "Ich habe kein 'Danke' von ihm gehört" (but yeah, you'd put it in quotation marks).

[long whale]

No, it doesn't. :)

[mellow nova]

überfüllt

[long whale]

Well... have you looked up the words? If so, where's the confusion? Didn't find "Stadien"? It's the plural of "Stadium".

[long whale]

But "überfüllt" = overcrowded; while "voll" = full

[mellow nova]

In this context they're the same

speaking about corona

[long whale]

No, they aren't. "überfüllt" means "more people than seats", "more people than there are supposed to be" 🤷

[mellow nova]

they think there are more people than there are supposed to be

[long whale]

"Stadien" are always large, to my knowledge. "voll" is saying they were filled to capacity.

@copper cedar

[mellow nova]

überfüllt is used in reference to city centers when definitely not meaning packed like sardines

[long whale]

Probably. They're just saying arenas won't be filled to capacity anymore, though.

[weak mist]

nach wie vor = still
allerdings = however, though

It's however still controversial

[mellow nova]

nach wie vor: after as before (shortened to still, yeah)

[stable belfry]

it says that they shouldn't

if it was dürfen ... nicht it would mean they aren't allowed to
with the t in dürften however, it means they oughtn't

maybe shouldn't isn't the best translation, but "dürften" is used similar to "ought to" in this instance

so it's actually like oughtn't

what they're trying to say is that since the health authorities in germany are overloaded, the numbers are unlikely to reflect current events

yes

the word dürfen isn't always used to say that something is allowed;
for example, you could say "Das dürfte stimmen", which would translate to "That should do."

as in, something is likely correct

so when they say "dürften die zahlen nicht widerspiegel" it means shouldn't or oughtn't, and they're trying to say that something is more unlikely

hope this makes sense to you, not sure if i'm explaining it well enough

[paper mango]

Hi Naru

[stable belfry]

heyo

[paper mango]

Na? Hast du das Video gesehen?

[stable belfry]

noch nicht, ich downloade gerade skyrim mods

[paper mango]

2011 ruft dich an, der will sein Skyrim zurück

[full otter]

[stable belfry]

2021 hat 2011 angerufen und gesagt, dass alles okay ist, weil es so viele neue mods gibt

[unique dune]

skyrim ist immer ok

[icy flax]

Wilder Neskão kommt hervor

[paper mango]

'türlich

[cosmic tendon]

do these two sentences have different meanings?

er hofft, dass er angerufen wird.
er hofft, angerufen zu werden.

[proven sphinx]

Nah, they mean the same thing.

The second one is more common, though.

"Er hofft darauf, angerufen zu werden"

That may even sound better.

[swift bough]

„Er hofft, er wird angerufen“, can say this as well

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, of curse.

[onyx rain]

Er käme um seine Belohnung.
The translation comes out to be "to lose his reward". Ich verstehe nicht, welches Wort bedeutet "verloren" ? Oder ist es nur idiomatisch ?

[proven sphinx]

It's a very idiomatic way of saying: "He'd lose his reward".

Maybe "He'd forfeit his reward" approaches around the same level of formality. It's not something you'd hear every day.

[onyx rain]

Ach so. Danke. Ich habe das in Brüder Grimm Märchen gelesen.

[proven sphinx]

There's a similar phrase with "bringen", as in "jemanden um etwas bringen". I immediately think of the German dub of Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets. When Lucius Malfoy realizes that Harry made him lose Dobby by giving him a sock, he says "Du hast mich um meinen Diener gebracht!", meaning "You made me lose my servant!".

[onyx rain]

Ich liebe das Szene!

[proven sphinx]

*diese Szene

[charred harbor]

As Raven indirectly pointed out "Szene" is feminine, so the correct article would be "die" 👍

[fervent kernel]

quick question about the idiomatic wendung of 2 sentences i thought would sound good
"Passt Wie Schlüssel ins Schloss"
and " das ist wie Butter zum Brot"
i think a german sprichwort that conveys the same meaning is "wie arsch am heimer"
would my sentences bu understood?
do they sound like witty? how do they wirken?

[autumn marsh]

wendung = turn (of events, for example)
Redewendung = idiomatic expression

"Das passt wie ein Schlüssel ins Schloss" would be understood i guess, more idiomatic would be: "Wie die Faust aufs Auge." oder "Das passt wie angegossen."

"Das ist wie Butter zum Brot" - i don't think that would be understood automatically, i'm not quite sure what you want to say with that either

"Das passt wie Arsch auf Eimer" is the sentence you're looking for, it's a (very informal) way of saying the same thing

[swift bough]

What exactly does that mean

[grizzled ridge]

It fits like a glove

[shut briar]

There are so many words for to comfort

I want to say the poet is comforting us through his poem

Welches verb passt am besten?

[long whale]

trösten

@shut briar

[shut briar]

I considered it, but it says in the dictionary it's more like to console

[scenic drift]

to comfort, console, solace, soothe...

remember translations aren't really 1:1

[sullen palm]

Hallo leute, ich möchte alles fragen, ob sie ein Paar Vorschlage, wie kann ich das Teil 2 Lesen goethe B2 besser losen, dazu habe ich immer Probleme ?

[scenic drift]

didn't you just post this in #questions ? try to stick to one chanel :)

[sullen palm]

Yes but im trying to get answers from everywhere

[scenic drift]

ok, but that doesn't stop you keeping it in one channel 🤔 if people post questions in two channels, that leads to duplication of effort

[sullen palm]

can you answer my question btw ?

[scenic drift]

i haven't taken geothe b2 and i don't know what the parts consist of 😆

[icy flax]

I will answer you here. Please, delete there from the other chat.

I can help you because I took C1 and as far as I remember the structure was pretty similar (also to C2). Problem is that I dont recall which exercise you are talking about. You will need to refresh my mind.

Idk if it helps you much but:

Ich möchte alle (you want to ask all, in acusative ||not everything = alles||) fragen

..., ob sie ein paar Vorschläge [haben?],

wie ich den 2. Teil vom Lesen der B2-Prüfung vom Goethe besser lösen kann.

Damit habe ich immer Probleme (in german u have problem "mit etw")

Btw, if you could elucidate what are your issues w that part, it also helps us to give you a solid help.

[sullen palm]

Can i talk to u in private or just here ? btw the exercise is where we have to put certain phrases in particular places in text

[icy flax]

Yeah, sure, so we dont flood the chat here. Hehe

I am working but soon I will have lunchbreak

[sullen palm]

Ja, ich habe das Verb "haben" vergessen
and yes, konnektor mit W-frage i wasnt concentrated so yeah xd

[sullen palm]

Okeey i already messaged u, im waiting for u 😄

yes

[lean rose]

Hello ! What are the words which are always capitalized?

[mellow nova]

nouns, beginning of a sentence

[shut briar]

Kann man auf Deutsch sagen, in den Augen des Gesetzes

[long whale]

I'd feel more comfortable replying "yes" if I had more context. :)

[karmic monolith]

Maybe like: in den Augen des Gesetzes, was du gemacht hast ist illegal

[long whale]

That would be fine - except for word order, which is very much off. ;)

[karmic monolith]

Was du in den Augen des Gesetzes gemacht hast ist falsch?

[long whale]

"What you did in the eyes of the law..."? That would be... weird.

[shut briar]

I was talking about adoption rights. So i want to to say, was ironisch ist, dass in den Augen des Gesetzes es besser ist, dass die Kinder ohne Eltern aufwachsen als mit queeren Eltern

[karmic monolith]

Does it? Maybe in German, but in it feels fine

What about: in den Augen des Gesetzes kann man nicht....

[long whale]

Yes, fine, except please start "Es ist ironisch, dass..." (otherwise, you'd need another "ist" after the 1st one, which is possible, but still better avoided)

[shut briar]

Idk, even in English it sounds wrong. It should be what you did is wrong in the eyes of law.

[long whale]

Yes, in German, it's really, really weird. "Das, was du getan ist, ist in den Augen des Gesetzes illegal" :)

Or upside down: In den Augen des Gesetzes ist das, was du getan hast, illegal.

[shut briar]

That was was emphasis i guess, because the last line is that queer families are considered inferior.

I always have to write for speaking so i guess it doesn't work for reading

[karmic monolith]

They both sound fine when i say them to myself but idek

[shut briar]

What's your native language?

[karmic monolith]

English

I'm from the UK

[shut briar]

I was talking about this one btw

[tropic thistle]

if I assume a significant pause, sort of equivalent to brackets or dashes (that is, what you did -- [at least] in the eyes of the law -- is wrong), I can get that word order to work, but without that cue it sounds to me as if whatever I'm doing is "done in the eyes of the law" somehow.

[karmic monolith]

Yeh In my head, i had a pause

[tropic thistle]

yeah -- there are plenty of structures that I think it's easier to pass in speech than in writing (among them, weirdly enough, I think, our original sentence beginning was ironisch ist, ist, dass... -- in writing that structure is a little clunky because you either notice that the sentence as a whole lacks a verb [hence Susana noting that it needs one, provided by ist #2] or you have a battlefield littered with commas and _ist_s that your reader has to get through, whereas in casual speech you might be able to get away with cunning pauses and/or sins of omission.)

[shut briar]

Aah that's very well explained

What if i write like this, "allerdings, was ironisch ist, dass....

[tropic thistle]

if it's part of a connected speech, perhaps Das Ironische daran ist, dass es in den Augen des Gesetzes besser ist...

oh sorry i didn't see that question give me a sec to think about it --

I think simply adding allerdings doesn't do much about the underlying verb problem, it just adds another particle

[shut briar]

I think i was translating directly from English. This pne sounds really good. The part before is this In vielen Ländern meint keine Gleichstellung der Ehe auch keine adoptionsrecht. Das Argument ist dass, diese familen mindwertig sind. Sie sollten nicht erlaubt werden, Kinder zu haben.

[tropic thistle]

you want bedeuten in that context, not meinen (which is more like 'to have an opinion about')

comma after ist not after dass

(sorry)

[proven sphinx]

The comma is always before the conjunction, in fact.

[shut briar]

Ohhhh, i asked this in class and got no good answer really

[proven sphinx]

Also, "mindwertig" does not exist.

It's "minderwertig".

[shut briar]

What should I use with 'what do you mean'

[shut briar]

Aah klar

[tropic thistle]

was willst du damit sagen, maybe, but i would wait for raven's answer

[proven sphinx]

"In vielen Ländern bedeutet keine Gleichstellung der Ehe auch kein Adoptionsrecht. Das Argument lautet, dass diese Familien minderwertig seien und dass man ihnen nicht erlauben sollte, Kinder zu haben."

That's how it sounds best.

[shut briar]

Seien, is that K1? Indirect speech?

[proven sphinx]

The Konjunktiv I "seien" really serves to distance the author from what's being claimed here. So yeah, it's for indirect speech.

[tropic thistle]

yes, for recording an argument that you may not want to commit yourself to, in this case

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it does wonders for indirectly citing other people's controversial statements.

[shut briar]

I understand. I still have a lot to learn about structures in german

[proven sphinx]

Don't worry. The Konjunktiv I is actually used very rarely overall, and it's basically absent from speech.

[shut briar]

Sagt mal, is deepl good for listening to how this will sound? I am not worried about pronunciations as much I am about intonations

[proven sphinx]

Does DeepL even have that function? I thought it was only Google Translate.

[shut briar]

I sound very weird saying all of this, not at all convincing

[shut briar]

It does

[proven sphinx]

https://voca.ro/1dw15TOLKOkW

[tropic thistle]

Das Ironische daran ist, dass es folglich {in den Augen des Gesetzes|nach dem Gesetz} besser für ein Kind ohne Eltern aufzuwachsen sei, als dass es queere Eltern haben sollte

[shut briar]

Das wird super hilfreich! Ich sollte das imitieren, aber ich werde lieber viel langsamer sprechen

[shut briar]

Nach dem Gesetz, that exists too, i had completely forgotten. Nach carries a lot of load in german

[delicate tiger]

"geweihte/heilige Nacht/Nächte"

[ancient aspen]

"Weih" means something like sancring and "Nachten" is maybe an old word for night so its a sanctifyed night

[icy flax]

Ihr nette/netten Leute

Weiß jemand, wonach in Google nachzuschlagen, um mehr über diese Struktur zu lesen? Einige Monate zuvor haben wir hier ein Blick auf dieses bestimmte Thema geworfen. Kann aber leider nicht genau finden wann es war...

[mellow nova]

welche Struktur

Weihnachten?

[ancient aspen]

"Ihr nette/netten Leute"

[mellow nova]

oh

don't laugh at me i thought you were calling us nice

[ancient aspen]

when you asked which structure he/she means I noticed that that can also be an address hhaha

[icy flax]

If I remember well both nette and netten are correct bc it depends on whether the ihr is working as a demonstrative or as a vocative

But I wanted to search for "adjective when calling people" and I have no clue what are the keywords

[ancient aspen]

Ihr nette Leute isn't right

[tropic thistle]

so I went to see if Dreyer/Schmitt's Lehr- und Übungsbuch der deutschen Grammatik (Hueber) had anything to say about this. And it does:

Weirdly, it lists this case under "Deklination ohne Artikel im Singular und Plural," which has a table suggesting that the proper nominative ending is -e (junge Männer, Evas alte Hefte).

But the case is handled under

e) nach dem Presonalpronomen als Anrede oder Selbstanrede. Im Singular wird das Adjektiv nach der Deklination ohne Artikel dekliniert:

Du armes Kind!
Mir ehrlichem Steuerzahler bleibt nichts erspart.

Im plural dagegen hat das Adjektiv hier immer die Endung -en:
wir kleinen Rentner; mit uns schlecht bezahlten Hilfsarbeitern```

It doesn't really get at the _why_, but it is at least a formal restatement in favor of _netten_ in the case you cite.

[shut briar]

This is the same as when people say ihr Süße/Süßen

I also would want to know how to use it

[sudden jackal]

Prost ihr Säcke! Prost du Sack! 😆

[mellow nova]

it says right here, no?
"Im plural dagegen hat das Adjektiv hier immer die Endung -en:
wir kleinen Rentner; mit uns schlecht bezahlten Hilfsarbeitern"

[tropic thistle]

I'm going to go out on a limb - so Goethe has a poem beginning Ihr verblühet, süße Rosen... and there, because the verb interferes between the pronoun and the adjective/noun complex, it's obviously a clear-cut case -- the address to the rose acts as a normal indefinite nominative and you just use -e.

So I wonder if what's going on is the choice between analysis as a unit - [Ihr netten Leute] or something that may be covered by the OP's vocative speculation [Ihr!] [nette Leute!] that would be more similar to the Goethe structure

[icy flax]

@tropic thistle, are you married already? Cz you got a new fan hahaha. I will search that at home again. Saved all your messages, my guy!

[shut briar]

Kürzlich hat das indische Parlament auch ein Gesetz verabschiedet, dass Fortpflanzungstechnologie verbietet , für jemand außer verheirateten heterosexuellen Paaren und cisgender heterosexuellen alleinstehenden Frauen.

@tropic thistle hi, i have attempted to write yet another sentence with more clauses than i can handle

Could you please check it

[tropic thistle]

• check the participle of verabschieden (I also think Parlament may usually be treated as singular)

• check conjugation of verbieten (it also feels like something is missing there, like "the use of")

(see above notes, and)
-außer takes the Dativ, so those objects need to change, except that i need to think about it because also a Paar is not technically a single jemand and feels like a difficult coordination to me as a result

verabschiedet, I believe

[shut briar]

I was focusing too much on how to form this that i made really stupid a1 mistakes

[tropic thistle]

I'm going to take a stab at it but I apologize for being a little distracted

[shut briar]

You are literally the one helping 😅

[tropic thistle]

dass denjenigen den Zugang zur [assistierten] Fortpflanzungstechnik verbietet, die weder alleinstehende cisgender heterosexuelle Frauen noch Teil eines heterosexuellen Ehepaares sind

[shut briar]

Aah

Das ist zu schwer für mich

Kann ich einfach 'für alle außer ' sagen

[tropic thistle]

for a simpler statement i might actually turn it on its head

"das NB I missed this somehow, but you need the relative pronoun (das for das Gesetz), not dass nur noch zwei Gruppen von Menschen [verb]: verheiratete heterosexuelle Paare und alleinstehende cisgender heterosexuelle Frauen.

sorry this is a placeholder while I kick my head until a verb falls out

[shut briar]

How about this Kürzlich hat das indische Parlament auch ein Gesetz verabschiedet, das den homosexuellen und Transgender Menschen den Zugang zur Fortpflanzungstechnologie verwehrt. @tropic thistle

[tropic thistle]

you still have an extra "dass"

i'm a little uncertain whether "transgender Paaren" will be interpreted as couples in which both members identify as transgender, which may be unintended

but otherwise, yes, I think this reads much better

[tropic thistle]

although if I read your original sentence correctly, it also applies to people who aren't in partnerships (hence the allowance for single cishet women), so maybe swap out Paaren for Menschen?

[swift bough]

Wait, am I dumb? What else would it mean?

That’s how I would’ve understood it

[tropic thistle]

right, I think the law (based on earlier drafts) actually also bars people who identify as transgender from access, regardless of whether they are in a partnership or not, so the most natural reading is more restrictive than intended

[swift bough]

Ah ok

But why don’t they just explicitly state that then

I mean just to avoid any confusion

[tropic thistle]

well, that is why I suggested switching it out for Menschen

just because the partnership status isn't relevant to the prohibition in its end effect

[swift bough]

That would definitely solve the problem, then you can’t really say whether it’s referring to people in relationships or not

[swift bough]

Yes

[tropic thistle]

originally the construction wanted to be something like
"forbids the use of assisted reproductive technology by anyone who is not in a heterosexual marriage or who is not a single cishet woman [abbreviation mine not OP's for character economy purposes]"

you can also make that happen in the German, of course, but it requires a couple of twists to make it easier for the reader not to jump back and forth in number/referent etc. and so it felt easier to just encourage a little bit of restructuring

[shut briar]

Oh i get it now. I get really confused between dass and das

And changed it to Menschen too

[shut briar]

I wanted to use couple because i'm talking about marriage equality and right to family for queer couples. But that became too complicated. I guess using menschen would still imply it...

[fluid river]

@shut briar u still on ?

[fervent hollow]

What's the difference between jawohl and ja?

[night dagger]

jawohl is formal, and i think only used with the military now? could be wrong

[fervent hollow]

Idk after like 5 months and a week of learning German, i just now discovered the word jawohl

[fervent hollow]

That makes sense

[mellow nova]

are you gonna change your pfp and name in a week?

sorry that's offtopic lol

[fervent hollow]

Probably but why?

[mellow nova]

just curious

[fervent hollow]

Are you saying this cuz Merkel isn't chancellor anymore?

[mellow nova]

ye ofc

[fervent hollow]

Well

Merkel will always be chancellor in my heart :3

[barren isle]

Ich habe ein paar Fragen. What is the difference, if any, between herein and in, and heraus and aus? I understand that they have the same meaning, but are they used differently at all?

[tropic thistle]

Well, sort of -- herein/heraus and hinein/hinaus are more specific because they also relate the motion to the speaker's position

Motion that is her- is coming towards the speaker

While motion that is hin- is going away from the speaker

And obviously the unprefixed variants are not specific in that regard

[barren isle]

This is an interesting concept. I am still trying to grasp it. Thank you for posting the resource it is making it somewhat easier to understand

[tropic thistle]

It's not always very strictly maintained, I should add -- some dialects don't really maintain the difference, and certain words (ausgehen 'to go out [to do something]' / [her]rausgehen) seem to have lexically frozen (that is, I think in casual speech it's quite common to hear rausgehen ~ 'to go outside' regardless of where the speaker is). But as a starting point remembering that the prefixes exist and did at one point have a functional distinction isn't a bad place to start.

[barren isle]

Ach. Ich denke, ich verstehe es besser. Zum Beispiel: woher - where from und wohin - where to.

[tropic thistle]

Yes!

Exactly.

[barren isle]

Danke schön

[tropic thistle]

gern geschehen

[barren isle]

In dieses Beispiel: „Anna kam ins Haus hinein und ging gleich wieder heraus.“ Ist der Sprecher außerhalb vom Haus?

[swift bough]

Ja

Wobei ich das kam und das ging tauschen würde, also sie ging hinein und kam heraus

[barren isle]

In Ordnung. Vielen Dank.

[swift bough]

Übrigens, in diesem Beispiel 🙃

[barren isle]

Was macht „in“ zum Dativ?

[swift bough]

In vielen Fällen beim Dativ, versteht man wo sich etwas befindet. Obwohl es niemand oder etwas gibt, der/das sich im Beispiel befindet, sagt man trotzdem „in diesem Beispiel“, da es keine Bewegung gibt.

Wobei wo ich drüber nachdenke, gab es eigentlich einen Satz im Beispiel 😅

In dem Beispiel gab es auch 10 Wörter

Da die Wörter nirgendwohin gehen, sondern sie sind schon im Beispiel drin

[barren isle]

Man entschiedet, dass „in“ Dativ oder Akkusativ ist, wenn es Bewegung gibt oder nicht?

[frank hinge]

Kannst du deine Frage besser formulieren? Das macht es leichter, sie zu beantworten.

[barren isle]

Ich werde es versuchen

[mellow nova]

yes that is more or less correct

Locative information uses dative with Wechselpräpositionen

(not just in)

[barren isle]

ja

[mellow nova]

Commonly separated as Wo vs Wohin information

[tropic thistle]

(out of curiosity, based on your profile pic, is your native lang Finnish? Then you can think of it as roughly the difference between talossa -- position, with no motion, in+Dat -- and taloon: motion, in+Akk)

[barren isle]

Okei

[wooden laurel]

Der mithilfe des Weltraumteleskops Tess entdeckte Exoplanet benötigt etwa acht Stunden, um sein Muttergestirn einmal zu umrunden.

why is there a Der in the begining ?

shouldnt the sentence work just fine even with out the Der in beginning?

[tropic thistle]

Der here modifies Exoplanet (and makes clear that everything from mithilfe to entdeckte is an 'extended participial construction' working as an adjective to also modify Exoplanet.

(for more on those participial constructions, see for instance here https://courses.dcs.wisc.edu/wp/readinggerman/category/13-extended-adjective-constructions/)

You need the Der because you are, in fact, referring to a specific exoplanet: not only the one that was discovered with the help of the space telescope Tess (you could leave out that bit), but the one that needs eight hours to complete an orbit of its sun. You wouldn't just say Exoplanet benötigt etwa acht Stunden, um sein Muttergestirn einmal zu umrunden -- with or without that modifier, you need the Der to express the Exoplanet's definiteness.

Functionally, mithilfe des Weltrauteleskops Tess entdeckte is working just as braune (or even sehr braune) would in that situation -- it's just got a little bit more internal structure to it.

[wooden laurel]

thank you very much for the clarification. 😃

[long whale]

Let me amend that: Akkusativ requires motion towards somewhere. Please compare: Er geht in den Park (motion towards the park -> Akk) vs. Er geht im Park spazieren (motion, yes, but aimless -> Dativ) :)

[long whale]

I'd be interested to see an example of one of those dialects. To my knowledge, it's just that in spoken German, both "hinein" and "herein" become "rein", while both "hinaus" and "heraus" become "raus". :)