questions-2

[fervent kernel]

von is also a wechselspräposition?

or is von only dativ

hmm

[night dagger]

also:
neben (next to/beside)

• es ist neben dir - DATIV
• Er setzt sich neben seine Frau - AKKUSATIV

von ist immer nur Dativ

vor ist Wechselpräposition auch

[cosmic jasper]

Jetzt bin ich noch mehr verwirrt von deutscher Grammatik als eh schon. 😅 Das hab ich selbst in der 10. Klasse nie gescheckt

[fervent kernel]

sorry, back

bot muted me for spam

this is correct now

nor von but vor

[night dagger]

bist du Muttersprachler, oder?

[fervent kernel]

or do I replace dem with den?

[cosmic jasper]

Ja

[cosmic jasper]

Wenn ich mich nicht irre ist auch in dem Fall "den" Richtig 😋

[fervent kernel]

okay that actually makes sense

thanks

[cosmic jasper]

Kein Ding 😋

[night dagger]

@fervent kernel with Wechselpräpositionen:
Akkusativ case appears when direction is being expressed. i.e. someone or something is moving or being put.
Dativ case appears when something or someone is stationary, but also if something is landing/appearing/disappearing.

[fervent kernel]

yeah that's what I learnt in school

cheers

[cosmic jasper]

Prost 😋

[fervent kernel]

so to double check

this should be correct

Ich setze der Rucksack neben den blauen Bett und vor den braunen Schreibtisch.

[cosmic jasper]

Ich setze den Rucksack neben das blaue Bett und vor den braunen Schreibtisch.

😅

[fervent kernel]

holddd up

why den rucksack

and das blaue

:

😫

oh yeah, akkusativ = den not der

and das not den

but why blaue?

[cosmic jasper]

Your native english right?

[fervent kernel]

norwegian

& arabic

learnt both at the same time

but yes, my english is good

[cosmic jasper]

It's pretty hard to explain 😅

[fervent kernel]

hmm

oh

i know

[night dagger]

no it's not

[fervent kernel]

akkusativ = adjective gets e ending

[night dagger]

there's direction being conveyed.

[fervent kernel]

if dativ it gets en ending

right?

[night dagger]

it depends.

[fervent kernel]

german grammar is overcomplicated

[fervent kernel]

hmm alr

[cosmic jasper]

1000000%

[night dagger]

https://youtu.be/UgRDUCnH2Ps

[cosmic jasper]

Ich werde mich aufs Ohr hauen 😋😅

[fervent kernel]

now i'm 100% correct

[night dagger]

du solltest ein bisschen wiederholen machen

[fervent kernel]

true

[shut kraken]

Mann sollte eigentlich „ich räume das blaue Bett auf”

[fervent kernel]

fick

[shut kraken]

Aber nah!

[fervent kernel]

why is it das here

and not den

when i'm using akkusativ

[shut kraken]

Weil Bett akkusativ ist, aber ein sächliches Wort außerdem männlich (it's neuter)

[fervent kernel]

ah

bett is neutral

thus

das

makes sense

[shut kraken]

Für sächliche Wörter, behauptet mann „das“. Das ändert sich nicht

Ja, schön!

[cosmic jasper]

Ich bin gerade eben erst auf dem Server und schon ist mein Kopf am Rauchen 😅

[fervent kernel]

hmm

any recommendations for any sentences you would've written?

oh! I could write about the curtains

[shut kraken]

Schade D:

[night dagger]

was ist in deim Schrank?

[fervent kernel]

good idea too

ok now this sentence is sexy

you can't possibly complain

10/10

[shut kraken]

Ahh, zu viele Info

[fervent kernel]

she wants as much info as we can

like to be able to know what fenster means window

[shut kraken]

You need to say "unter dem Fenster"

[fervent kernel]

that unter means under

etc

[fervent kernel]

oh mb

alr

hmm

[shut kraken]

Fopeierpok

[fervent kernel]

this sentence sounds fucked up

[shut kraken]

Just have a think, I'm sure you'll manage!

[fervent kernel]

gestellt

no

[shut kraken]

It won't let me type

[fervent kernel]

hm

i take it the order of words is incorrect

[shut kraken]

Ja

[fervent kernel]

Ich räume die Kleider und stellt sie in mein zweiter Schrank.

that's better?

[shut kraken]

Also: "...und stelle..."

[fervent kernel]

ohh

Ich räume die Kleider und stelle sie in mein zweiter Schrank.

there

[shut kraken]

Und "...hinter die Kamera in meinen zweiten Schrank"

[cosmic jasper]

zweiten 😅

[shut kraken]

Du hast aber einen sehr komplizierten Satz aufgeschrieben, ne? XD

[fervent kernel]

how do I respectfully say fuck german in german

fick deutsch bows

hm

[shut kraken]

"Sche*ße" geht :)

[fervent kernel]

fick deutsch

there

[fervent kernel]

oh yes

that too

[cosmic jasper]

Da fallen mir diese tollen TikTok's wieder ein

[fervent kernel]

Ich räume die Kleider und stelle sie in meinen zweiten Schrank.
t

this?

[shut kraken]

Das ist okay. Du brauchst einfach mehr Übung!

[fervent kernel]

i like your feedback in german

[shut kraken]

Und dich daran zu gewöhnen (to get used to it)

[fervent kernel]

i learn more but at the same time it rapidly kills my braincells

lmfao

[fervent kernel]

yessir!

reality is i'm gonna have to move to germany in 3 years

[shut kraken]

Gut genug, lol

[fervent kernel]

been learning german for 3 years

[cosmic jasper]

Bei Grammatik sterben mir auch die Gehirnzellen weg 😅

[fervent kernel]

glad we relate

[shut kraken]

Ach je

[fervent kernel]

auch ich*

ja

ich spreche deutsch

woohoo

[shut kraken]

Ich wünschte, dass ich gleich nach Deutschland umziehen kann. Aber habe andere Probleme

[cosmic jasper]

Ich spreche auch deutsch 😋

[fervent kernel]

fair enough

i got

[shut kraken]

Ja :o

[fervent kernel]

school here in norway first

to complete

[shut kraken]

Woop woop

[fervent kernel]

then I'll prob do uni in germany

even tho we got unis here in norway

the average grade is stupid high

at least germany is a little more acceptable

enough sentences?

[shut kraken]

Ist das denn der Grund, weshalb du ausziehen möchtest?

[fervent kernel]

no, tbh i'm just sick of norway

just want to get out

having snow from october

-20 celsius during december & january

give me a break

at least germany isn't piss cold

[shut kraken]

Achso XD

[fervent kernel]

don't get me wrong, I love skiing and all here but yeah..

got snow blocking my windows during winter

you could straight up jump from the balcony

[shut kraken]

Dann zieh nach dem Süden um. Das Wetter da ist gewöhnlich wärmer als im Norden

Ach je..

[fervent kernel]

yeah, i'd probably do that

i just live on some isolated mountain in norway

#general ?

or we can go to dms

[shut kraken]

Das hört sich so an

[fervent kernel]

no need to take up space here

[shut kraken]

Ah okay, #general-2 vielleicht

[fervent kernel]

Are there Sprichworte for when someone recommends you a place or a person? Like something around "a little bird told me.." for example two friends talk, one says he want to learn Guitar, the other says" Der John kann gut spielen, red mal mit ihm"

"mir wurde gesagt" maybe but something more idiomatic or poetic if you will

[shut briar]

Apparently very similar

[earnest willow]

How to send pic?

#questions message

[shut briar]

Haben wir das alles noch unter Kontrolle oder sind wir schon längst verloren

Warum ist es nicht haben wir verloren

[long whale]

Because there's a difference in meaning between "verloren sein" (to be doomed) and "verlieren/verloren haben" (to lose/to have lost, as in: lose a match, in a game; or as in: can't find this again) :)

[slim forum]

Hallo
i dont understand the difference between KEIN KEINE and nicht
can smeone tell?

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than 1 channel. It's unfair on the people who are trying to help - they may not realize your question has been answered elsewhere (as it has). :)

[slim forum]

ooo sorry i will not next time

[hexed gust]

"Meisterstück"
The first st is pronounced differently than the second. Is there any youtube video or some article that explains this clearly (the rules for -sp -st)?

[ancient pulsar]

Ich komme den zehnten Mai an

den is akkusativ right?

cus it also looks like dative plural

[fervent kernel]

Yes that has to be Dativ

Ich komme am zehnten Mai an

[long whale]

"st" is only pronounced as "scht" at the beginning of words. Here, you have a compound noun, consisting of "Meister" (-st- in the middle of the word, therefore -s-t-), and "Stück" (st- at the beginning, therefore "scht") Does that help?

[hexed gust]

ohh yeah that helps, and this rule holds for all?

i.e. in the middle sp st is pronounced as is and in beggining of words scht/schp

[long whale]

I think so. Being a native speaker, I've never really thought about this before. If you gave me a few more examples, we'd probably be able to find out. :) "Westen" also gets -s-t-, for example.

I know it turns into "scht" at the beginning, as a rule. At least in all genuinely German words. With the word "Stil" (style), you have a choice: either S-t... or Scht.... But with "Stiel" (stem), it's Scht...

Yeah, I was right, look: file:///C:/Users/walte/AppData/Local/Temp/lektion19-lerner-aussprache.pdf

[hexed gust]

I don't think I can access the file

[long whale]

Why not? Just copy and paste, doesn't that work?

[hexed gust]

Isn't that a directory in your computer

[long whale]

No, it came up when I googled "Aussprache deutsch st und sp"

[hexed gust]

Ah okay I got it

[long whale]

So, there's only one addition to what I said: st/sp also become "scht/schp" at the beginning of syllables/after a prefix -> versprechen (to promise) or verstehen (to understand) also get "schp/scht"

[hexed gust]

Ooo, okay. Sorry would you mind screenshotting it? I opened the link in google but it keeps loading and remains inacessible

[hexed gust]

In Meister the syllables are mei - ster and if st is in the beginning of -ster why is it still pronounced as -st?

[long whale]

Yeah, you're right. I think it's an error in the file - it must be "after prefixes", not at the beginning of a syllable. Weird. Because it seems to come from a reputable source... I'll DM you, okay?

[hexed gust]

That'd be great, thanks!

[fervent kernel]

In einer Welt wo Menschen für ausreichkeit streben, wer für sich Höhe Ziele setz, ziechnet sich aus.

I tried using words I know without translating from other languages

Is this sentence deutlich?

[karmic monolith]

No native but the one thing i noticed is that it should be "nach ausreichkeit streben" not "für"

Also idk if ausreichkeit is a word

[ancient pulsar]

Ich komme am Montag, den zehnten Mai an.

oh sorry

it was actually like this

and den is still dative, right?

and Heute ist der erste Mai

der is dative feminine right?

[long whale]

No, it isn't. If it were Dativ, it would be "dem zehnten Mai".

[ancient pulsar]

i was confused

thought zehnten Mai is plural

and den zehnten Mai is dative plural

[scenic drift]

why would it be plural?

it's one day

[ancient pulsar]

zehn

:D

[scenic drift]

but it's still the 10th may

which is one day

it's just the numerical number in the month 🙈

[ancient pulsar]

yes yes I figured that out a bit late

it is just that smtms i mix up accusative masculine and dative plural

[scenic drift]

it's alright, you're learning :D

[ancient pulsar]

yeah and then there is dative feminine and genitive feminine

Der beste Tag der Woche

for example i previously thought der Woche was dative

but it is genitive

[late stump]

Idk this one

It's 4 or 1?

[scenic drift]

hint: what's the gender of Fernsehapparat?

[scenic drift]

that's a question for them to answer 👀

[novel jackal]

xD

Danke

Mikey, can I solve that and dm you, about the validity of it?

[long whale]

Or me, if Mikey's gone. ;)

[novel jackal]

Alrighty, vielen Dank

[scenic drift]

you can, yes :)

i see susana has also kindly offered

[novel jackal]

Vielen Dank an euch beide

If that is right

[long whale]

*beide

[novel jackal]

Oh thanks and why

[long whale]

an euch beide OR an euch beiden

[novel jackal]

Beiden ist einfach nicht richtig dann?

Oh

Nvm XD

[long whale]

Not with an, which requires Akkusativ. :)

[novel jackal]

Ahhh

Das macht Sinn, danke

Und noch eine Frage

Does guck Mal require Mal to be capitalised? Is mal a noun in that case?

[long whale]

No, it doesn't get capitalized.

It never is when it's short for [ein]mal.

[novel jackal]

Ahhh

Das ist einmal

Vielen Dank

Dann warte mal is also not capitalized

[spring socket]

Der Benzer ist getankt, ich zähl Hunderter Scheine
Gestern rote Meile, heute unter der Palme
Schneeweißer Sand, top Stoff vom Kartell
Ich klebe ein' Blunt, Bonez kotzt vors Hotel what does rote Meile mean here? this term doesn't seem to show up in any dictionaries

[scenic drift]

probably a reference to the tv show: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Die_Rote_Meile

Im Zentrum der Serie standen Stripperinnen, Prostituierte und ihre Zuhälter im fiktiven Hamburger Nachtclub „Candy Club“. Nacktszenen hübscher Frauen und dramatische Vorfälle mit bösen Männern prägen die einzelnen Episoden.

[long whale]

Correct. :)

[spring socket]

Oh, thanks Mikey! I never get these cultural references to media

[ancient pulsar]

Mein Geburtstag ist der zehnte Dezember.

Mein Geburtstag ist am zehnten Dezember.

difference?

My birthday is December 10.
My birthday is on December 10.

I don't even know the difference in english

yes please

[novel jackal]

I think in English at least, you are more likely to say the latter

^

with*

I would personally always say "My birthday is on the tenth of December"

Or I was born on the tenth of December

[long whale]

... vom Impfstatus oder Genesenenstatus... The dash is used to avoid having to repeat that particular part of the compound noun. :)

[long whale]

The difference is that in German, the 1st version is rather unidiomatic. We usually say "Ich habe am zehnten Dezember Geburtstag", by the way. :)

Huh? But I wrote it down. 🤷

[novel jackal]

I was gonna say that I have heard Germans say I have on the X birthday.

My advice for getting the German word order correctly is firsly translate it to "Denglish" as it is colloquially called.

You can always search this up online and learn more about how to get accustomed to the German word order and ofcourse, practice always makes perfect 😊

[fervent kernel]

which of them is more used?

[novel jackal]

I always use übrigens.

[fervent kernel]

is this a contraction for übrigens like in English by the way- btw?

[novel jackal]

But all of them are correct

[novel jackal]

Nope.

You may say "btw" and most of the time, you will be understood, even tho spellcheck will probably mark it as incorrect if you have it in German. But, mostly people say "übrigens" and there isn't a contraction as to my knowledge.

[fervent kernel]

ah ja...danke für deine Hilfe

hab vielen Dank

[novel jackal]

You could say in a short text msg, "übgs" and this will definitely be understood, but I have noticed that Germans usually use "übrigens". And apropos is extremely seldomly used.

[fervent kernel]

so, there is a contraction

okay danke

[long whale]

That's because it doesn't mean the same. apropos = speaking of which; apropos X = speaking of X/on the subject of X :)

[long whale]

Not sure how informal "btw" is, but "übgs" would be very informal. :)

[novel jackal]

Ahhh, so that's why. Thank you again Susana, yep I can say that I have had a friend who wrote to me "übgs" once on a text. And as far as I know that's only a very friendly thing to do. Don't go writing that to your boss 😂

Even though, I don't think anyone uses "übrigens" to speak to their superior either. Or at least, I hope not.

[ancient pulsar]

so guys

i read what you wrote

and thank you all

i understand it now

[novel jackal]

So in a case of me saying e.g. This cake is delicious apropos this cake when did you bake it?

But übrigens would be
This cake is delicious, übrigens your car is pretty?

[long whale]

That's a bit... no. More like "Die Milch ist alle. Apropos Milch, hast Du gehört, dass die Bauern streiken?"

[novel jackal]

Aaaa

So still being on the same topic, but adding sth

While with übrigens, you change the topic to ads sth new?

[hearty sable]

yes

you can say übrigens, gestern war ich beim Einkaufen

[novel jackal]

Okey, I understand that. Very useful
Vielen Dank euch beiden/vielen Dank an euch beide

[long whale]

"etwas ausschließen" = to exlude something :)

Look up "neuerlich" ;)

Nope.

[scenic drift]

whic dictionary?

the first definition of "neuerlich" on wiktionary is "further"

no, i don't think this is the right translation

so here's how i would interpret it

previously, he has said there will not be a new lockdown

but now cases have risen

and now he is saying that he is no longer excluding teh possibility of a new lockdown

i.e. there may be another lockdown :)

[long whale]

You've literally been spoon-fed the answer, and now you go "hmm"? 👀

[long whale]

It's customary to thank the person who helped you - mikey, in this case. :)

[fervent kernel]

Hello guys, I am not entirely sure if I am asking in the right place but are there any German natives free at the moment to help a bit?

[scenic drift]

what do you need help with?

[fervent kernel]

I need help with recording little audios if that's okay

[wintry geode]

You can select a German keyboard in the windows settings

[potent hawk]

originaler Satz: In Indien wie in jeder Gesellschaft überwiegt auch die Anschauung, dass die geistig behinderten Menschen nutzlos und nicht etwas zu tun fähig sind. Diese Annahme könnte in mancher Hinsicht zwar zutreffen, dennoch sind geistig eingeschränkte Leute aber immer noch Menschen, die der Liebe und der Achtung würdig sind wie die sogenannten normalen Menschen.

Jemand hat meinen originalen Satz auf der folgenden Weise umformuliert, aber den Grund dafür nicht gegeben. Könnte jemand mich bitte darauf hinweisen, warum meinen Satz in dem obigen Text sprachlich falsch ist? Ich denke nicht, dass mein Satz falsch ist.

umformulierter Satz: "...dennoch sind geistig eingeschränkte Leute aber immer noch Menschen, die der Liebe und der Achtung würdig. Sie sind wie die sogenannten normalen Menschen."

[icy flax]

Bestimmt ist ein Komma vor "wie" nötig und auch ein Verb nach würdig (sein).. Das hat der Prüfer wohl verpassen.

Ich glaub, die weitere Korrektur, deinen langen Satz zu trennen, war eher um es lesbarer zu machen. Ich würde noch das Komma zwischen zutreffen und dennoch für einen Punkt tauschen .

[potent hawk]

Wie du hat ein fortgeschrittener Sprachlerner und kein Muttersprachler meinen Satz umformuliert. Deswegen habe ich den Satz hier gepostet, um ihn von irgendeiner Muttersprachler überprüfen zu lassen. Ich bin dir dennoch für deine Bemühungen und Aufmerksamkeit sehr dankbar.😊😇🙏

[icy flax]

Ja, klar, kein Problem. Warten wir auf die Muttersprachler, ganz verständlich. (: freue mich eig auch darüber

[cosmic jasper]

Die Grammatik sieht eigentlich ganz gut aus, Kommasetzung ist leider nicht so meine stärke. 😅 Bis auf ein paar kleine Formulierungsfehler ist da aber nichts falsch. 😋

[hushed turret]

Sehe ich auch so, ein Einschub vorher ist nicht mit Kommata abgetrennt, aber in dem umformulierten Teil sieht eigentlich alles gut aus

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/tenses/overview

a bit too much to write it out sorry, maybe this helps you

[potent hawk]

Könnten sie mir auch sagen, welche Präposition mit tauschen oft in Verbindung stehen: gegen oder für?
In den im Duden angeführten Beispielen steht nur *gegen *
"seine Wohnung gegen eine größere tauschen;
tausche Fernseher gegen Klappbett;"
Im Gegensatz dazu könnte man mit dem Nomen Tausch zwischen den beiden Präpositionen frei gewählt werden.

[hushed turret]

man kann etwas für etwas anderes eintauschen, die Formulieren "etwas für etwas tauschen" ist eher umgangssprachlich

[potent hawk]

Oh okay, but what if I just wanted to stick with tauschen instead of eintauschen. Then I should use gegen etwas tauschen in formal contexts, right??

[long whale]

Definitely. :)

[hushed turret]

yeah :)

[potent hawk]

Wenn es dir passt, könntest du mich auf diese "ein paar kleine Formulierungsfehler" aufmerksam machen und vielleicht sie auch nach deinem besseren Verständnis umformulieren?
Vielen Dank im Voraus 🙂

[cosmic jasper]

In Indien wie in jeder Gesellschaft überwiegt auch die Anschauung, dass die geistig behinderten Menschen nutzlos und zu nichts fähig sind. Diese Annahme könnte in mancher Hinsicht zwar zutreffen, dennoch sind geistig eingeschränkte Leute aber immer noch Menschen, die der Liebe und der Achtung würdig sind**. W**ie die sogenannten normalen Menschen.

Gerne 😋
Ich habe ausgetauschte elemente Fett markiert und weggelassene durchgestrichen

[hushed turret]

"In Indien, wie in jeder Gesellschaft,..." Ich glaube als Einschub ergibt es mehr sinn

[potent hawk]

Thanks a lot madam/sir 🙇

[cosmic jasper]

Denke ich auch, aber wie gesagt: Kommasetzung ist nicht meins 😅

[hushed turret]

Alles gut, deutsch ist auch echt nicht einfach 😂

[potent hawk]

Vielen Dank auch an dir 🙏

[cosmic jasper]

Nein ist es nicht 😅 Merke ich immer wieder. Dieses ganze Nomen, Dativ, Genitiv etc bereitet mir echt Kopfweh

[rare jetty]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-confused-gif-14430852

[fervent kernel]

yo

if anyone here

would it be Den Bucher liegt auf dem Bett

or Die Bücher liegt auf dem Bett

[dry marten]

Die Bücher is right

[fervent kernel]

ah okay

because plural

[dry marten]

yes

but liegt is wrong

[fervent kernel]

Fair

fuck

Liegen?

[dry marten]

yes

[fervent kernel]

u have to conjugate the verb too

Alr alr

the rest should be correct

[dry marten]

yes

[fervent kernel]

I’m just tryna record a voice thing

and just read that line

looked odd af

[dry marten]

where did you even get this from?

[fervent kernel]

Some assignment

[dry marten]

that's just sad

[night dagger]

@fervent kernel i would highly recommend revisiting basic verb conjugation and the other A-level grammar topics before moving on, if you can. my personal opinion is that a person will not do so well if they don't first give the A-level material the time and diligence it deserves.

[fervent kernel]

good idea, I’ll do that

[night dagger]

depends on what your goals are tho, some people fly through this stuff just to pass a C1 test for uni

but then they can't really discuss basic topics or use A-level grammar correctly

so it's like, are you learning to pass a test, or learning to learn the language?

[swift bough]

That to me signals they aren’t really C1 or the CEFR system sucks

[night dagger]

well, they're not really C1. but they pass a C1 test.

[swift bough]

Isn’t the test supposed to have a reading, speaking, and writing section?

How do they even pass the speaking with all those errors

[night dagger]

🤷

my goethe B1 test did, yeah.

[swift bough]

I thought the test was supposed to be really steif t

Strict*

[night dagger]

have you taken a C1 Goethe test?

[swift bough]

Never. But at the same time, nobody ever questions whether I‘m C1

[night dagger]

oh. well, in any case i was just mentioning that it seems people either learn to actually learn and speak their target language, or they learn just to pass a test so they can study in the country of their choice. sooo if one has the the time to move slowly through the grammar, they should take it :)

[swift bough]

I don’t know how you can speak a language only for the sake of passing a test

How does that even work

Like if you memorize stuff for a test usually it’s just facts you should know

Speaking a language is just a whole different thing than sitting there taking a written test

[plain umbra]

I'm not really sure since I've never taken one myself. But it's a really common thing that people say, when they go study in Germany with other "C1" people, that they somehow pass the test even though they really aren't at the level they should be.

I would say it's probably uncommon that they are totally Level A in that scenario. But like mid-B happens.

[swift bough]

I just can’t fathom how that works. When you speak a language it has to be entirely spontaneous, even when you’re given a specific topic.

Whereas a multiple choice test is something you can logically study for

[plain umbra]

Yeah.

[swift bough]

Like

How can you study for speaking spontaneously

It seems odd

[night dagger]

you can definitely focus on only the practice tests for a period of weeks or months and pass the test.

[swift bough]

Almost kinda cringe idk

[plain umbra]

I'm not sure how it works either but it definitely happens, somehow.

[night dagger]

60 is passing, let's not forget.

[swift bough]

That reminds me actually of some people I’ve met online saying that they’re „C1“ in German or English, but reading what they wrote was just horrendous

Never IRL before though have I met someone like that

Also, most people here who have the role I wouldn’t describe like that. Usually isn’t the case on this server for whatever reason

[night dagger]

yeah, it's important to not be discouraging when you see it though. i find it better to just politely tell the person like: hey, personally i would definitely revisit topic x, y or z.

[fervent kernel]

i got B2 and had put me at level C

but after seeing you and other people writing and talking i lowered myself

to level B

[swift bough]

Man verbessert sich mit Zeit ((:

[sweet nymph]

if you are talking about those proficiency tests, most of them are easy to pass once you understand how the test mechanics. I know people who are B1 in a good day that got B2 - in English

[night dagger]

yeah, one should take a standardized test like Goethe or Telc

[swift bough]

But when it comes to speaking it’s not like you memorize what you say because you can’t afaik since you are simply given a random topic, which you can’t specifically prepare for since it’s spoken

I‘m just baffled those people can scrape by when it comes to the speaking portion

[sweet nymph]

there are certain tricks you can use, I know cause I used to prepare people for them

[night dagger]

yup

if you're really good at bullshitting (like me), you can do it

lol

[sweet nymph]

you can use so many things, like repeating the question, giving generic opinions about, etc

[swift bough]

But isn’t their grammar still shit even when they BS around

[night dagger]

not if you remember fixed phrases

[sweet nymph]

oh yes, but most people I prepared for those tests needed for stupid reasons

not because it truly proved their level

[swift bough]

I wonder why those people are allowed to pass though

Also

When you let people like that pass

It shows how little CEFR actually means

[sweet nymph]

I see your point

and I agree in parts

[swift bough]

I remember one time on this server when I was actually still intermediate and I gave myself the C roll, a mod messaged me telling me I need to lower my role because I was „making mistakes that a C level wouldn’t“, which seems really ironic now that I think about how people whose grammar sucks get to pass the test @sweet nymph

[night dagger]

this isn't Goethe or Telc :)

nice of them to suggest that actually, helpful tbh

[swift bough]

I think that was like at least 3 years ago

[inland jungle]

hey guys- how do i say "let me know the time and place" in german? ist es "lass mich wissen, die Zeit und Ort?" is this something that can actually be directly translated into german ?

oder "Sag mir die Zeit und Ort"?

[lone sedge]

Lass mich die Zeit und den Ort wissen is okay

[inland jungle]

danke!!!

[heady drum]

Hey y'all is Stadion pronounced /ʃtaːdiɔn/ or /ʃtadiˈoːn/

[long whale]

[ˈʃtaːdi̯ɔn] - I'm curious, where did you get the other one from?

[heady drum]

@long whale I haven't heard it spoken (or don't remember hearing it spoken) and I know a lot of words in -on in German have final stress

so, my head / analogy

[long whale]

Ah, yes, of course. :)

[heady drum]

but I guess that makes sense, it's closer to Latin that way

[fervent kernel]

If I'm talking to my crush through emails, what's a more fitting Grußsatz other than"freundliche Grüße"

Is liebe Grüße too direct? I want her to know I like her and not like a friend

[long whale]

"Liebe Grüße" isn't direct at all. Even "Alles Liebe", "Dicken Kuss", "Ich umarme dich" aren't exactly emotional, it's how I usually sign off emails to good friends of both sexes (and they to me).

"Ich küsse dich - dein Clyp" might give her an inkling.

[swift bough]

an inkling?

[long whale]

An idea?

[swift bough]

Oh

Not sure where you found that but never heard that before in my life hahah

[long whale]

What is it with you and Caps, and me and my English? 😳

It isn't even British or anything: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/inkling

[swift bough]

It’s either old or regional because I’ve been speaking English since my birth and never heard of thatxbwfote

That before*

[fallow ledge]

Ive seen it its a nice word

[long whale]

What we'd need would be a Wortverlaufskurve like the ones on DWDS, just for English, I guess. 🤷

[charred harbor]

I didn’t see anything wrong with Susana’s English there.

I’ve heard it before too

[swift bough]

Never heard it before idk why

I didn’t even have a guess for what it means

I didn’t say there’s something wrong with it but it‘s new to me

[fervent kernel]

how often do you use die Apfelsine instead of die Orange?

[swift bough]

Lol literally never heard of it as Apfelsine

[fervent kernel]

I have just seen it in a book XD

[grand plover]

not often, but in some supermarkets they're called "Apfelsine"

[fervent kernel]

it's weird that an orange is an apple

[grand plover]

I know, sometimes it errettetes me

[fervent kernel]

at first, I thought that die Apfelsine was an apple seed lol

why is it even an orange

Also, treib Sport or treibe Sport?(der Imperativ)

[long whale]

Comes from "Chinese apple" as far as I know. For this kind of thing, DWDS is great. You get the little graph in the upper right hand corner, showing how frequently a word is used. ;)

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Apfelsine

[fervent kernel]

hab vielen Dank für eine neue Infrormationsquelle!

[hollow ether]

Tip: Looking up a verb and typing Konjugation after it gives you what you're looking for

So it's treibe

[fervent kernel]

thanks, but why not treib

if du treibST

[hollow ether]

Idk

[fervent kernel]

lol

doesn't make sense for me

du kommST - komm!

du treibST- du treibE wtfff

[long whale]

The -e is optional in those cases. :)

[hollow ether]

It has nothing to do with that, when you conjugate a verb with du it ends with st most of the time

[long whale]

No, not du treibe. It's Imperativ.

As in: [you] Exercise!

[fervent kernel]

so, i can say both treibe and treib?

daaanke

[ancient pulsar]

Schreibst du am Nachmittag?

Ja, schreibe ich.

or

Ja, ich schreibe.

[long whale]

Neither. Simply doesn't work. 🤷

If anything, it would have to be "Ja, ich gehe mit"

[ancient pulsar]

ok then like this?

hmm

i see

thanks

[hushed turret]

it probably does work its more like an abbreviation and not used in written language

[long whale]

In order for "Schreibe ich" to work as an answer, there would have to have been a letter or something mentioned before that, as in "Ja, [das/den] schreibe ich"

[hushed turret]

or you change the question to include an object like 'schreibst du am Nachmittag den Brief?' - 'Ja, schreibe ich'

[long whale]

That was exactly what I'd said. 🤷

[hushed turret]

no you changed the awnser, i changed the question to make it work xD

[autumn marsh]

schreibst du am nachmittag? - ja, werde ich. / ja, mach ich.

that works

[long whale]

... which again leaves out the object: "Ja, [das] werde/mache ich" :)

[hushed turret]

which you do not necessarily need in spoken language

[autumn marsh]

how do you use the language vs. what you might want to put into a grammar excercise

both have their merrits

[scenic drift]

have you looked it up in the dictionary?

and what results did you get?

that's the adjective

but here it's being used as a verb, yes?

the sentence fragment is easier to understand if you move the time reference:
"Besonders in den 1970er Jahren verbreitete die Gruppierung Angst und Schrecken"

verbreitete is a conjugation of the verb verbreiten...

uh

i mean

what search tool are you using

because it's literally the first result here: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/verbreitete

it's what i usually use 🤷‍♂️

do you understand the sentence now? :P

[dry lava]

Does it make sense?
"Hilf mir bitte mit meiner Hausaufgabe nach"

Trying to understand the difference between "helfen" and "nachhelfen"

[serene kindle]

You would say "Hilf mit bitte mit meiner Hausaufgabe". You dont use the nach

[hushed turret]

Yes

Nachhelfen is more like if something doesnt work and u gotta help it to work

[dry lava]

Thanks. What about the "bei"? Bei meiner Hausaufgabe. Are they interchangable?

[dry lava]

Danke

[serene kindle]

You could say bei and also mit

[dry lava]

Danke schön, Kameraden

[serene kindle]

So "Hilf mir bitte mit meiner Hausaufgabe" is fine as well

also when talking about "Hausaufgaben", there is no context to use nachhelfen that I can think of. What you mean is maybe Nachhilfe, which is a thing in germany. You get Nachhilfe as kindof an out-of-school course to help you understand stuff you did not grasp on in school

[dry lava]

I'm listening to thius audio and there's Nachhilfe, yes, starting from 44 second

[serene kindle]

yes, Nachhilfe is something different than nachhelfen

[hushed turret]

Yeah it originates from the same word but has a different meaning

[dry lava]

So I can use "Nachhilfe" like "Gib mir bitte deine Nachhilfe mit meiner Hausaufgabe"?

[dry lava]

Interesting

[hushed turret]

Not really, it's more like Sunday school or something like that

[dry lava]

Nah, sounds silly

[serene kindle]

You would generalise it more. Like "Gib mir bitte Nachhilfe in Mathe". Its more generalised and not only dependend on homework itself

[hushed turret]

Idk how it's called in English

[serene kindle]

I would translate it as "Can you help me understand math"

[dry lava]

And If I replaced it with "Hilfe", it would sound the same?

[serene kindle]

No "Gib mir bitte Hilfe" would be wrong. If you want to use "Hilfe", youd say something along the lines of "Hilf mir bitte mit meinen Hausaufgaben" oder "Kannst du mir mit Mathe helfen"

[dry lava]

Danke schoen.
Basically it could be so:
"Gib mir Nachhilfe" = "Hilf mir bitte"?

[serene kindle]

yes, but mostly in the context of school or university

[dry lava]

And what does she say starting from 24 second?

Und ich habe ihr drei Jahre lang l... Nachhilfe gegeben

[serene kindle]

"Nachhilfe" is also something that you usually pay for

"Und ich habe ihr drei Jahre lang Latein Nachhilfe gegeben" -> Latein meins Latin

its a course at our schools you can choose to have in the "Gymnasium"

[dry lava]

I see

Thank you!

[serene kindle]

np

[dry lava]

Does she say at 34 second
"Als ich dir von der römischen Siedlung erzählt habe, die Mann in Bulgarien gefunden hat, hast du gleich gerufen: 'Cool, da musst du hin' "?

And is "rufen" here like "shout"?

[serene kindle]

"die man in Bulgarien", its not "Mann" as in "Man", its "man" as in "someone"

otherwise you got it right

[dry lava]

Ach ja, genau, xd

[serene kindle]

and that "rufen" is not really "shouting" as in really loud saying something, more like "you said it in excitement"

[dry lava]

Alles klar. Danke für die Nachhilfe

[serene kindle]

Sehr gerne

[ancient pulsar]

@long whale @hushed turret @autumn marsh hey thank you for the explanations

i was writing an exam

could not respond at that time

i guess then

formally it is Ja, ich schreibe.

and it could also be Ja, schreibe ich/werde ich/mach ich.

informally

[autumn marsh]

technically you could reply with "ich schreibe" but no one would ever do that even in formal situations

you reply with "Ja, das mache ich" in very formal situations like susana suggested

else you reply with "ja, mach' ich" or "Ja, werd' ich"

[dry lava]

Du wirst dein Weg schon machen - You will make it?

You will go your way?

you will make it your way?

[serene kindle]

"you will find your way to handle it"

[autumn marsh]

yea, note that grammatically it's "deinen Weg" even though the -en often gets dropped in spoken language

[dry lava]

ach, genau. der Weg

DAnke, Leute

Was sagt sie bei 1:15?

Sogar uns ... in der Küche hat sie alphabetisch geordnet

[serene kindle]

Sogar unsere Gewürze in der Küche hat sie alphabetisch geordnet.

[dry lava]

Damke

[serene kindle]

note that "unsere" is often pronounced like "unsre" (one e is omited)

[dry lava]

schließlich = letztendlich ?

[cosmic jasper]

Jup, kann man sagen 😋

[dry lava]

Danke

[cosmic jasper]

Gerne 😊

[worldly portal]

Hiya, is "an" the right preposition here? 🥴

Einmal in der Woche nimmt sie an einem Yogakurs teil

[exotic badger]

Yep, exactly like that

[worldly portal]

Yay! Thanks 😌

[ancient kestrel]

Anyone willing to help me with my German homework? I can't attach files here so I'll message them privately if that's appropriate. (It's an A1 level writing assignment about food)

[worldly portal]

#corrections

[hushed turret]

I can look over it if you want

[ancient kestrel]

thank you! i thought only German was allowed in there

[slim yew]

der, die, or das ipad

[lost horizon]

Hi! I have a quick question about immer

I understand it's an emphasis word, so sie isst immer noch is more of a "omg she is always eating" (exaggerated) versus sie isst noch "she is still eating" (declarative)

I've also read that it has a negative connotation in most cases, as if you were annoyed about something. Is there any application where immer is not negative connotation, and it is strictly an emphasis word? Or is it only used to add emphasis to the sentence with that kind of connotation?

[exotic badger]

Yeah, it can also be used as a neutral always. So it depends on what the person is always doing.

[lost horizon]

Thank you! That helps a ton

[fervent kernel]

Just saw on Reddit about von+Genitiv being correct. I was taught Von goes with Dativ?

Von dem Mann

Or is it von des Mannes

[long whale]

That was the usual thing 100+ years ago. :)

[fervent kernel]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TDCTOixJ_y8

Can you guys tell me what he says at 21:30?

"Sie hat die richte Entscheidung"?

And right after that I can't understand it.

"Sie hat das besseres Lieb? ..."

..... in Hertz [??]halten?

[fervent kernel]

Sie hat richtig entschieden, dass ich ein besseres Leben gehabt habe

[fervent kernel]

That's perfect! Thank you

[autumn marsh]

even though that might be grammatically possible, it makes no sense 😄

[fervent kernel]

Ye mean no sense to me too

@proven sphinx Does it sound ok to you, as a Swiss?

I think he meant " she took the right decision, I had a better life( thanks to the decision she took)

[fervent kernel]

Yeah, it's a son talking to his biological mom who came to visit him 🙂 She's saying "I'm sorry", and then he answers that.

[fervent kernel]

It's not about Swiss or German. The sentence is poorly worded

Yeah the part before I kinda understood because I'm Italian and it was somewhat understandable to me

[cosmic tendon]

the last line in the table is it correct ?

[long whale]

Well... I can't really imagine a sentence containing "keine höchsten Berge", but what do you think is wrong with it?

[icy flax]

ich hab diese gelbe Schnur gemacht.
Wie würde sie auf Deutsch beschrieben werden?
eine dreifach geflochtene Kordel oder Schnur?

[long whale]

"eine geflochtene Schnur" - no "dreifach" about it. :)

[icy flax]

und wenn es mit 3, 4, 5, oder 6 Linien gemacht wird?

dann würdest du ja "drei-, vier-, fünf-, oder sechsfach" sagen, oder?

[fervent kernel]

Voodoo! 👋

[long whale]

"eine aus 3, 4, 5 oder 6 Bändern/Kabeln geflochtene Schnur" perhaps.

[icy flax]

😮

[long whale]

ja doch sagen

And no, I wouldn't.

[cosmic tendon]

adjektiv ohne bestimmte artikel im plural die endung ist "e" / i guess

[icy flax]

Verstehe, verstehe. Danke, Susana!

[long whale]

Yeah, that's the penultimate line.

[cosmic tendon]

i think it the same rule with (ein und kein) in plural there is no (ein)

[long whale]

What can I say? The ending does change for seine/keine in plural - that last line is grammatically correct. 🤷

"Das ist Bauer Martin. Seine glücklichsten Hühner legen die besten Eier."

[cosmic tendon]

aah okeey didn't know that Thank you

[slim yew]

is it true that in the past all countries are written with das

[long whale]

No. It's simply that every noun, even if it's never, ever used with an article, must have a gender. Otherwise, how would you know which ending an adjective requires, or which pronoun to use? :)

And to my knowledge, those countries which are used with an article, like "der Iran" or "die Türkei" always had this particular gender. It was never das Türkei, das Iran.

[fervent kernel]

What about the plural in der Akkusativ. Is it "ich nehme neuen Briefe or ich nehme neue Briefe"? In my book It is only the singular shown idk why the author did it 🤔

[wintry geode]

second one

[fervent kernel]

ok, no -en ending in Akkusativ plural

[full otter]

Yep

[fervent kernel]

Ich schätze deine Hilfe

[full otter]

Gerne

[fervent kernel]

ah ja, danke

[inland jungle]

ich habe eine Vokabeln-Frage. Wie kann ich einen Ort beschrieben, dass hat viele Dingle drinnen aber alles ist weit weg voneinander. Auf Englisch sage ich: "everything is spaced out" aber ich bin verwirrt ob "gesperrt" das korrektes Wort ist? Mein Woerterbuch sagt "gesperrt" aber ich denke dass "verteilt" korrekt ist?

[serene kindle]

verteilt ist richtig

"Alles ist über den ganzen Raum verteilt"

[inland jungle]

und im Perfekt, "alles war ueber den ganzen Raum verteilt" ?

[exotic badger]

yep, thats also correct

[inland jungle]

vielen Dank!!

[exotic badger]

np

[inland jungle]

also, geht es oder nein? "Weil wir COVID Regeln und Bestimmungen haben, muessen wir verteilt voneindaer sitzen"

[serene kindle]

in that context I would rather say "Durch die COVID Regeln und Bestimmungen müssen wir mit Abstand zueinander sitzen"

"verteilt" would be... lets say more chaotic

if your room is messy, then: "Meine Sachen sind über den ganzen Raum verteilt."

[exotic badger]

pretty sure it's "mit Abstand"

[inland jungle]

ahhh okay ich verstehe. Verteilt ist z.B in einem unordentlichen Zimmer usw?

[serene kindle]

I think both is grammatically correct, but ill edit it, as yours is easier to grasp

[exotic badger]

ja,, verteilt meint ungeordent

[exotic badger]

true, just sounds kinda weird.

[serene kindle]

The whole sentence sounds weird, but I think practice sentences mostly do

[inland jungle]

ahhhh okay. Kannst du bitte erklaeren was "gesperrt" bedeutet? ich verstehe es nicht lol

[serene kindle]

"gesperrt" would be "closed down"

[inland jungle]

OH

lmao

[exotic badger]

ngl i heard that sentence alot in different situations when going to events xd

[inland jungle]

okay danke hahaha

[serene kindle]

"Die Zugstrecke ist heute gesperrt" -> "The train tracks are closed down"

[minor robin]

can someone help me with relative pronouns?

[serene kindle]

Im Beamtenchinesisch durchaus so, aber keiner würde den Satz so aussprechen (sorry for german, but I dont know what "Beamtenchinesisch" is in english xD )

[fervent kernel]

Ask ahead

[exotic badger]

if u want hmu in pm or some other channel, maybe question 1

[minor robin]

alright

[exotic badger]

yeah no, ur right.

[spring socket]

Dass ich nach Hause komme, glaubste doch im Leben nicht

glaubste? what's the subject here?

[nimble willow]

Hi, Id like to ask if the select German verbs with prepositions are ALWAYS followed by their corresponding prepositions

[lone sedge]

glaubste ist Umgangssprache. Die lange Version ist "glaubst du"

Das sollte helfen

[nimble willow]

Also how do you know when the preposition after the verb is going to place the subject in dative or akkusative if the preposition is ie. Auf

[lone sedge]

@nimble willow what exactly do you mean? Do you have an example?

[spring socket]

Thank you!!

[nimble willow]

I've read that wissen should be followed by von

But in many translations, wissen is followed by über, thus contradicting sites saying it should be followed by von

[atomic marlin]

Es war schade, dass du nicht kamst
What if I wanna remove "dass" and use "zu + infinitiv"
Then I shall say
Es war schade, nicht zu kommen
Or
Es war schade, nicht gekommen zu sein

[swift bough]

The most natural way you can say that in general is really just „Es ist schade, dass du nicht gekommen bist“

But is there a reason you really want to use zu?

[atomic marlin]

Yes as I'm learning how to turn any dass sentence to infinitiv + zu

[lone sedge]

@nimble willow I think as a no-longer-in-School native I can't help you much. "von etwas/jemandem wissen" means to know about something/someone. With über only "über etwas Bescheid wissen" comes to mind, which translates more to being informed about or be aware of

prepositions are a bit complicated but those two, I think, are always used

[swift bough]

Both the sentences you wrote are grammatically sound.

[lone sedge]

You'd best learn verbs with their prepositions

[swift bough]

I think the one with the past participle works best

[nimble willow]

Okay, thank you very much!

[atomic marlin]

Can I say "nicht zu kamst"?

[nimble willow]

Yes I am trying to now

[swift bough]

No

[fervent kernel]

after zu always infinitiv

[swift bough]

kamst is conjugated to „du“

You can’t use it unless you have su

Du

[atomic marlin]

Oh okay

Thank you so much bro

[swift bough]

No prob man

[fervent kernel]

can anybody explain what exactly "etwas außer Acht lassen" means

please

[nimble willow]

What about the verbs that use 2 way prepositions? How do you know when the subject should be in akkusative or dative?

[cosmic jasper]

When you totally forget about something 😋

[nimble willow]

Ie. Aufpassen auf?

[fervent kernel]

like entfallen?

[cosmic jasper]

Yeah something like that 😅

[hushed turret]

or if you dont take something in account

i think thats more precise

[fervent kernel]

or more like "daran habe ich nicht gedacht"

[cosmic jasper]

Oh, totally forget about that 😅

[lone sedge]

for that you could look into the pinned messages in #lessons. The main thing is: if the subject changes location -> accusative, if not dative

[spring socket]

for example, pass auf sie auf --> Akkusativ, otherwise it would be pass auf ihr auf, sometimes the pronoun can be of use in helping you figure out the case the preposition takes. For two-way prepositions, it's best to wait to hear which case a German uses with the preposition in certain situations and just copy them

[fervent kernel]

so let me see if i got this, "So wie die Saat, so die Ente. Das hattest du nicht außer Acht lassen"

[hushed turret]

try to translate it @fervent kernel

[nimble willow]

But when I comes to writing, what would allow me know when to use akk or dat

[nimble willow]

That's generally though, correct? I am asking in regards specifically to the verbs that need 2 way prepositions

For example aufpassen auf

[lone sedge]

There was a lessen last week, the presentation slides are pinned. Take a look and if you have questions feel free to ask. Aufpassen auf isn't a 2 way preposition thing, is it?

[fervent kernel]

yeah it translates to gibberish

sorry

[hushed turret]

i know, try to do it yourself :)

[nimble willow]

Okay thanks, ill look into it

[hushed turret]

translate it to english so i can see if you got the intended meaning

[fervent kernel]

direktes Objekt= akkusativ indirektes Objekt=dativ

[fervent kernel]

yeah i think i got the meaning, it's like " to keep in mind about something" like "watch out for the rocks" " danke, ich lasse es nicht außer acht"

right?

[hushed turret]

yeah, keep in mind that you typically dont use this term in everyday language but you got the meaning :)

[spring socket]

there isn't a hard and fast rule to mystically know whether to use the accusative or dative when it comes to two-way prepositions, you just have to learn the verbs with prepositions as you go along. There are fixed expressions like 'etwas an jemanden verkaufen', for example - you'd have to just learn this by hearing someone say it or reading it (e.g. Ich hab das Handy an die Nele verkauft). You learn how to pair two-way prepositions with specific verbs through through experience, not through memorising a rule

[nimble willow]

Okay thank you very very much!

Thank you to those that responded! Am a lot less confused by this topic now :)

[spring socket]

No worries!

[night dagger]

@spring socket @nimble willow not entirely true. you can check out Hammer's German Grammar and Usage for reference, but essentially there are some rules with Wechselpräpositionen:
Akkusativ case appears when direction is being expressed. i.e. someone or something is moving or being put.
Dativ case appears when something or someone is stationary, but also if something is landing/appearing/disappearing. Dativ is sometimes used when a direction is involved, however in these circumstances you will notice that there is no movement ***in relation to *** the other person or the other noun in the sentence.

zB: Er ging neben seiner Frau - Dativ case is used here, because we are perceiving him to walk next to his wife, as in he is walking with her/ they are walking together.

[spring socket]

That is a useful rule to mention, thanks for tagging SH so they can see it. What I was getting more at is how there isn't one specific rule to be certain how to pair verbs with two-way prepositions in every scenario. E.g. ich schreibe einen Brief an den Arzt. An here has little to do with movement or direction, but rather the message being addressed to somebody - it's just accusative like that.

Moreover, before you even get to the question of which case should I use, without seeing or hearing the phrase before, you wouldn't even know to use an in this instance, which is why I was highlighting reading or hearing to how prepositions are used before you use them

[night dagger]

true; it is good to learn the appropriate prepositions with the verb as well and i think dwds usually has these examples in the definitions of the verbs

[fervent kernel]

What are ways to say "what the fuck?" In German. But if possible without swearing. I don't like to fluchen

[night dagger]

"Was zur Hölle?" geht.

could just say what the fuck tho

[fervent kernel]

Does it also works if for example you are playing football and your friend hits an insane goal?

Like when something leaves you speechless

[night dagger]

"ach so!" oder vielleicht "unglaublich, tolles Tor!"

eigentlich hab ich schon ein paar Notizen zu diesem Thema geschrieben. wenn du interessiert bist, könnte ich gerne die teilen :)

[nimble willow]

Thank you both for the help! This is all very insightful!

[fervent kernel]

Someone explain me this pleased

Why does Milch-Mädchen-rechnung mean illusion?

[scenic drift]

it's an idiom: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milchmädchenrechnung

Milchmädchenrechnung ist die spöttische Bezeichnung für eine naive Betrachtung oder Argumentation, die wesentliche Aspekte nicht beachtet und zu einem plausiblen, tatsächlich jedoch unzutreffenden Ergebnis kommt

[fervent kernel]

[hollow ether]

Yea. You could say both but it's used more often with 'wie'

[humble basin]

Cant i say in that way? :P

[vapid swift]

what's that symbol on the S?

[humble basin]

On the top-right side?

[vapid swift]

top left

[mellow viper]

That's a cedille. Makes the S sound like "sch"

[humble basin]

Haaaaa yes its definetly sch

[frail garden]

is there a german equivalent way of saying 'on your marks, get set, go' as a way of starting a race?

[dusty geyser]

There is, we say "Auf die Plätze, fertig, los"

[modest nest]

how do i know if in a sentence if sie means they or she

oh nvm on the verb if u say sie something the verb gets t in the end

but how do i know if it is you

or they

verb is conjugated the same for those

[mellow viper]

The immutable power of context

[modest nest]

well bruh

[mellow viper]

That and the polite you is capitalized

[modest nest]

oh

...but while speaking

pretty sure that creates confusion

[mellow viper]

Sie und sie, Sie sind so süß.

[modest nest]

you are so cute?

sie sind so süß would be they are so cute

[long whale]

No, it doesn't. Trust me. :)

[modest nest]

hmm

[long whale]

In real life (unlike textbooks), there is always context.

[mellow viper]

Context is powerful enough that Japanese, a language constructed entirely of homophones, is actually comprehensible.

[long whale]

Like, if you approach a stranger and say "Könnten Sie mir sagen...?" (Could you tell me...?) or "Wissen Sie...?" (Do you know...?), it's clear you're addressing them. Who would "they" be, anyway, in that kind of context?

[mellow viper]

Maybe there's a protest going on. "Hey, worüber schreien sie?"

[modest nest]

well if you meant to talk about some other people

and they understood it as themselves

"sie essen meine Oma"

[long whale]

Re "Sie sind so süß" - if you're addressing somebody formally, it means they're a teacher, somebody's parent, or a total stranger, like the supermarket cashier. Can you really see yourself telling one of these people "You are so cute?"

[mellow viper]

I just wanted some funny alliteration.

[long whale]

Well, it wasn't addressed to you, since you know, anyway. :)

[fervent kernel]

Du bist süß translates to du bist nett, wenn i was at A2 Kurs I actually told my teacher Sie sind sehr Süß

It translates to that in my language I should have added

[long whale]

"Du bist süß translates to du bist nett" - it does? 🤔 In case you're a guy, I'd love to see a male teacher's face when you tell them that...

[fervent kernel]

even in english it kinda does, when an older lady calls a young guy sweet or sweetheart

my teacher was male, he kinda stopped then did like a model pose, with his hand on his hip and thanked me

so i asked if it meant something else and he explained that you say when you think someone is attractive

[swift bough]

😂

[sly stump]

Lol

[icy flax]

Wann genau nennt ihr iwas "possierlich"? Halt ein Synonym zu "süß"? Scheint mir eine Tone "lustig" dabei zu haben

[icy flax]

Hab ein bisschen recherchiert. Also.. Eher für die Beschreibung von Tieren, wenn sie sich sehr lebendig und agitiert verhalten, richtig? Nicht ein Wort, das man für eine echte Person benutzen würde (statt von Kindern, vermutlich, weil die dann doch manchmal hupfend etwa lustige/süß mit Dingen spielen).

[long whale]

It's been ages since I last saw that word. :D Yes, works for animals, could be used for the specific way a child or even an adult does something, but you wouldn't use it for the whole person, the way you'd use cute.

[icy flax]

Danke, Susana! Ich hab genau auf deine Antwort gewartet. Manchmal frage ich mich, ob ich nicht gerade gleich* in eine DM solche Art Fragen schicken sollte :P

[long whale]

gerade gleich ;)

[icy flax]

Ok, noch ne andere, ist das wirklich richtig? Ich würde Dativ hier benutzen:

(...) Sie sterben aus, weil sie biologischen oder physikalischen Belastungen ausgesetzt sind, die in ihrer bisherigen Evolution (...)

(...) Sie sterben aus, weil ihnen biologische oder physikalische Belastungen ausgesetzt sind, die in ihrer bisherigen Evolution (...)

[icy flax]

Auch dafür, danke! Haha

[icy flax]

Frage ist: sind beide richtig? Oder nur die erste (bzw. die Originelle)?

[fresh dagger]

Nur das erste ist korrekt

[long whale]

Only the 1st version is correct, and it is Dativ.

"etwas/jemandem ausgesetzt sein" -> jemand ist etwas/jemandem ausgesetzt

Also, it's "die originale Version. "originell" means something like "extravagant, idiosyncratic, interestingly different"

If somebody's wrapped a present in a bin bag, you can say "Was für eine originelle Verpackung" (admiringly if it looks nice, ironically if it looks awful)

[spring socket]

so I heard Ich fahre zurück nach Deutschland in a TV show, but the charachters are in Ireland - how's she gonna drive over the sea?

[swift bough]

You’re right, technically it should be fliegen

Or also just gehen works better

You can’t use fahren with airplanes

Also the zurück should be at the end of the sentence, since those are separable verbs (zurückfahren / zurückfliegen / zurückgehen)

[spring socket]

I just heard it again to be sure, it was ich fahre zurück nach Berlin, but that doesn't change much

[spring socket]

wouldn't that be walking back to Berlin?

I thought they didn't have a word for go in German

[swift bough]

Gehen can mean a lot of things, and yes, it can literally just be walking.

It is also just a general word for „go“.

[spring socket]

So If I was in Hamburg, I could say ''Ich geh morgen nach Russland'' and that wouldn't sound weird?

like I'm gonna walk all the way to russia

[swift bough]

@spring socket amount of results on dwds for just „gehen nach Deutschland“

[swift bough]

No

You don’t have to specific every single time that you’re flying

[spring socket]

I don't understand any of that

[swift bough]

Actually also when I searched „nach Deutschland gehen“ instead of „gehen nach Deutschland“ there are even more results

It’s just the amount of times that dwds found gehen nach Deutschland in it’s database

In different categories

[spring socket]

oh alright

Thanks for your help Cursed Alien

[swift bough]

Np

[spring socket]

noch eine Frage

bist du übrigens der Außerirdischer, der auf meinem Profilbild operiert wird?

[humble remnant]

uhh

i would like to ask a native for clarification bc afaik

you can indeed use fahren for planes

Ich fahre nach Russland is much better than gehen

gehen nach + a country usually implies an extended stay/immigration afaik

[swift bough]

No you can’t lol

It has to have wheels

[humble remnant]

girl huh

[swift bough]

Fahren is for vehicles with wheels

If you’re going across the ocean you can’t use wheels

Trust me one time a native basically roasted me for this

[humble remnant]

fahren is just the general verb for to go by vehical

vehicle* whoops

[swift bough]

It’s not for airplanes

Don’t trust me then tag a native

[humble remnant]

like would fliegen be more concrete/correct? yes

ok bet

trying to find one online x

@glossy marsh casca dearest

man kann schon das verb fahren für flüge einsetzen solange man nich direkt angibt dass man per flugzeug reist oder?

ich begegne der phrase "ich fahre in/nach x" fast täglich im deutschen

[swift bough]

Eine Flugkarte hat man für seine Flüge

Keine Fahrkarte

[spring socket]

Der Casca kommt

[glossy marsh]

I wouldn't consider that to be correct, nor have I ever seen anyone use it this way. Only if they mean driving to the airport.

[swift bough]

I told you

Hehe

[humble remnant]

hä

[fervent kernel]

Nate tea game

[humble remnant]

sagt man nich "ich fahre in die USA" und so?

[fervent kernel]

Ich fliege nach Deutschland

[glossy marsh]

I certainly wouldn't.

[humble remnant]

hääää

[glossy marsh]

Nor do I know anyone who would.

[swift bough]

If you’re in Canada or mexico @humble remnant

Then ok

[glossy marsh]

^

[swift bough]

It has to be connected to the piece of land

[glossy marsh]

And it has to be with a car.

[swift bough]

Yep

[humble remnant]

ein anderer Muttersprachler bejaht mich doch 💀

[swift bough]

Dude, like I said, I literally got roasted for this

[humble remnant]

i love it here!

[swift bough]

I can’t forget it

[proven sphinx]

"Ich fahre in die USA" would assume that there's some huge-ass bridge connecting Europe and the Americas. 😂

[swift bough]

^

[fervent kernel]

Fahre for driving by wheel?

[swift bough]

Man i know what im talking about 😤

[spring socket]

What do you think of ich gehe nach Russland while you're here? If someone in Germany were to say that, would it sound like they wanna walk there @glossy marsh

[proven sphinx]

But I guess it works if you're in Canada or Mexico, since then you can literally drive to the US.

[humble remnant]

yeah

[glossy marsh]

No, this I would consider more vague: they could simply mean travel.

[spring socket]

Thanks Casca

[humble remnant]

i dont get corrected for this at all but ive been corrected for using gehen instead of fahren when going long distances

[proven sphinx]

Nah, "gehen" works differently.

[swift bough]

As I said

Gehen is a lot less specific

But it doesn’t have to mean you’re walking

[proven sphinx]

"Ich laufe nach Deutschland", however, would mean you literally walk to Germany.

[swift bough]

Yes

That’s a more concrete word anyhow

[spring socket]

So, the person in the TV show shouldn't have said ich fahre zurück nach Berlin when she's in Ireland?

[proven sphinx]

Probably not.

[swift bough]

Yeah no

That’s strange

[spring socket]

Hm, odd choice from the scriptwriters

[proven sphinx]

They could have just said "fliegen" instead of "fahren". It's indeed an odd choice.

Or just "gehen", which means it doesn't matter how you get there.

[swift bough]

^

[fast sable]

If you have ausziehen which means to take off. But if I use it in a different way tho, such as auf Abenteuer ausziehen, It means to set off in search of adventure ?

[humble remnant]

hm. apparently people just didn't notice the fahren thing but my host dad also still tells me that "nach einem Land gehen" means that you're going to immigrate there

german people confusing x

[proven sphinx]

Nah.

"Ich ziehe nach Deutschland um" would mean that you move there.

"Ich gehe nach Deutschland" doesn't sound permanent.

[humble remnant]

this is what i got from him asmr i am going insane

weird

[proven sphinx]

I don't know what the hell he's been smoking. 😂

[humble remnant]

wow

bro like

like its funny cause

[swift bough]

What the hell lol

That’s definitely not true

[humble remnant]

like these beliefs of mine arent unfounded i swear :)

i have simply been lied to i suppose

[icy flax]

Ich hab eine Art von Gehirnkrampf bekommen.
Im Portugiesichen tauschen wir diese zwei Agenten. Ich sollte halt die Rechtschreibung dieses Buchs nicht bezweifeln. Danke dir, und auch für diese Sache mit orginell/orginal. Diese Dinge sind uns Deutschlernende sehr kompliziert, bswp ideal/ideell

[proven sphinx]

I can't imagine that being true in any dialect or region. It's just so weird.

[humble remnant]

you know what's even funnier

he's from hannover

[proven sphinx]

It's just completely bizarre. It's like saying "Ich gehe auf den Markt" means that you're going to live on the market or something. 😂

I just don't understand why he could possibly be saying that.

[humble remnant]

like he said it's specifically because of the country but

and i asked him about not getting corrected for fahren because i've used that my entire life including when i was a kid and only learned the weird dialect thing but

he just said he didn't notice? i guess?

[swift bough]

Right

Or „ich gehe zur Schule“

Well I guess I’ll sleep in my desk

[fast sable]

Could anyone help me solve this please?😅❤️

[night dagger]

i wouldn't translate that as such

[humble remnant]

ausziehen does have a secondary meaning of "to set off"

@fast sable

so yes, you are correct

[swift bough]

Huh? It was a joke

[proven sphinx]

I guess so, yeah. It's not something you hear every day, though.

[swift bough]

[night dagger]

ah, sorry lol

i was like wtf

[proven sphinx]

"Ich gehe nach Deutschland, um einzukaufen"

Here's a perfect sentence, showing that it's not true.

[humble remnant]

well i guess ive been gaslit ive been girlbossed ive been gatekept

[swift bough]

You’d have to have been here for the past 10 minutes to get the joke anyway

[fervent kernel]

Is this correct?

Gestern habe ich meine Mutter bei ihr zuhause einen Kuchen gegessen

[fast sable]

Thank u:)

[fast sable]

Thanks!

[humble remnant]

i would just say bei meiner Mutter (zuhause)

[icy flax]

What was the question anyways? I feel u dudes just chatting on questions-2 by now

[fast sable]

And is there a common use of it in fairytales or something? (ausziehen)

[fervent kernel]

But it's grammatically correct, right?

[humble remnant]

i misunderstood the usage of fahren for like a long time bc i wasnt corrected ever and my host dad has a very misguided concept of what "gehen nach + a country" means

[humble remnant]

uhh to be honest i'm inclined to say no because "meine Mutter bei ihr" seems like it's referring to two different people

and with that case especially it looks like the object but that's clearly kuchen

[fervent kernel]

@humble remnant how about Gestern habe ich meine Mutter bei meinem hause einen Kuchen gegessen?

[swift bough]

You can read it, if you’d like

[humble remnant]

what are you trying to say?

[fervent kernel]

I'm not trying to say something. I'm trying to deconstruct

[humble remnant]

well if i had the translation of the sentence it would help. "meine Mutter" in this place does not work grammatically

"bei meinem Haus" is also weird, it's better to say "bei mir zuhause"

zu Hause* as Duden recommends but

[fervent kernel]

Let me correct the sentence

[humble remnant]

sure

[fervent kernel]

Gestern habe ich ihr bei mir zuhause einen Kuchen gegessen

[humble remnant]

everything is fine except for the ihr

[fervent kernel]

Where to put indirect object?

[humble remnant]

there is no indirect object

what indirect object would there be?

[fervent kernel]

Okay

[humble remnant]

if you want to include your mom just use mit!

[fervent kernel]

How do we say:

Yesterday, I baked her a cake at my house

[humble remnant]

Gestern habe ich für sie einen Kuchen bei mir zu Hause gebacken

[fervent kernel]

Oh there is für

[humble remnant]

yeah

"baking someone a cake" is moreso doing it as a favor to them

so für works here imo

[fervent kernel]

How about we change the baked to thrown?

Like I thrown her the cake

Do we still use für?

[humble remnant]

Uhh no

because that's not a favor

so yeah, ich hab ihr den Kuchen geworfen

[swift bough]

Unless she was mad and asked you to throw the cake for her

But yeah

[humble remnant]

oh well yeah

[fervent kernel]

Ah I see