questions-2

[swift bough]

‚will‘ is a conjugated Form of ‚wollen‘, you can only use it in the present tense with ich/er/sie/es

Iirc wollen is a bit irregular which is why the vowel changes

[molten cove]

Guys is it correct "Er sucht Abenteuer" ? I want to say He looks for adventures

[long whale]

It's correct, grammar-wise, but slightly unidiomatic. If it's a general personality trait, Er sucht das Abenteuer works. Otherwise, the idiomatic thing to say would be Er ist auf der Suche nach Abenteuern :)

[molten cove]

Ohh I see, thank you so much 🙂

[swift bough]

Is there a way to say „to carry on one‘s legacy/a legacy“, I can’t find anything.

A natural way, that is.

[proven sphinx]

"legacy" has always been a word that I find hard to translate into German. There's "Erbe" and "Vermächtnis", but none of them mean exactly the same as "legacy".

Maybe say "Werk" instead, so "Ich werde das Werk meines Vaters weiterführen".

[long whale]

Context would help. There's "jemandes Erbe antreten", or "etwas in jemandes Geiste fortführen", for example. Does that help?

[proven sphinx]

"jemandes Erbe antreten" seems more concrete though, as in "I will follow in someone's footsteps".

[swift bough]

I was trying to find a way to say that I am carrying on one of my grandfather‘s legacies, so I just found another way to say it „Ich mache für ihn, was er selber nicht machen konnte“. He was German so I am referring to how he stopped speaking it when he was 5.

[proven sphinx]

That's a very roundabout way of saying it, but as long as it works...

[swift bough]

Yeah

It really is

But it’s what came to me first when trying to find another way to say the same thing

[proven sphinx]

"Ich werde sein Erbe antreten" wouldn't work in this context anyway, since it's more like if your father was a farmer and you're going to take over his farm after his death or something.

[long whale]

I'd say "ich habe das Erbe meines Großvaters angetreten" would work in this case.

[swift bough]

Isn‘t Erbe something which is actually worth money?

[proven sphinx]

It's just not very concrete, but I guess it would understandable with enough context.

[proven sphinx]

Not always. It can also be used figuratively.

[swift bough]

Interesting..

[timber void]

Erbe is anything that is inherited.

[swift bough]

Thanks guys

[proven sphinx]

It's just that English makes a difference between "inheritance" and "legacy", whereas German usually doesn't.

[swift bough]

I only knew Erbe in the non-figurative sense

Yeah there’s a huge difference

[proven sphinx]

"legacy" is just one of those annoying words that you have to write around a bit in a translation, since you can't translate it directly.

[swift bough]

Yeah that’s how I came up with my version

[proven sphinx]

"Vermächtnis" comes closest, but it has a kind of mythical feeling to it.

Or it can also have legal meaning.

"Bequest" in English.

I can't help but think of the video game series "Legacy of Kain", where translating it as "Kains Vermächtnis" does sound pretty fitting.

"Kains Erbe" would sound like it's about who's going to inherit from him or something, but it's more about what Kain's actions have caused.

[swift bough]

What actually is the difference between Erbe and Vermächtnis, in the figurative sense?

If there is any

[proven sphinx]

Hmm...

[swift bough]

Oh I didn’t see that. It’s mythical?

[proven sphinx]

Duden behauptet sogar, dass es der letzte Wille von jemandem ist?

Ach, nein.

Es ist die übertragene Bedeutung der ersten Definition.

"Das Vermächtnis der Antike"
The antiquity's legacy, right?

You can see that it does work here.

As I said above, "Erbe" is more concrete most of the time.

But it can work as "legacy" as well.

Das Erbe der Vorfahren = the ancestors' legacy

[swift bough]

‚jemandes Vermächtnis erfüllen‘, would this one only make sense if you did something you actually knew they wanted you to do? @proven sphinx

[void rapids]

Sorry for the late response but thank you so much!

[desert olive]

Soll ich die wörter,die mit n dekliniert werden,auswendig lernen?

[dim quiver]

faw

faq

[stoic mauve]

:x: The required argument name is missing.

[dim quiver]

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started - Part 2

Please make sure to read Part 1 before starting Part 2!

Part 2 – Beyond a Simple Sentence

1: Conjunctions (coordinating and subordinating)
2: Subordinate clause word order
3: Dative case
4: Dative verbs
5: Verbs with two objects (e.g. geben)
6: Prepositions (accusative, dative, and two-way)
7: Spoken past tense (Perfekt)
8: Written past tense (Präteritum)
9: Genitive case
10: Relative clauses
11: Adjective declension

Tips

• Make sure to practice writing and reading simple texts
• Some of these concepts are confusing to start with, so it’s a good idea to ask for help in #questions when you’re unsure
• You should use a declension chart to help with declension to start with, because you won’t be able to memorize it straight away
• After you feel confident with creating sentences, you can start learning the adjective declension properly by using the command >faq adjective declension and reading the guide provided

Page 2/2

[dim quiver]

faq resources

[stoic mauve]

Resources

https://bit.ly/gladresources

[plain umbra]

@dim quiver Use #botchannel for that.

[long whale]

@swift boughDon't know whether anybody else has come up with it in the meantime, but I think the thing you're looking for is "in jemandes Fußstapfen treten" :)

[swift bough]

Then what does the other one entail? I mean „jemandes Vermächtnis erfüllen“.

[long whale]

DWDS says in the non-literary sense (gehoben, bildlich), it means "Auftrag eines Verstorbenen an die Lebenden". So, I'd use that if your grandfather had had some (pretty highminded) goal and you were working hard towards that same goal. "in jemandes Fußstapfen treten" works for pretty much everything, even quite prosaic things, like... ooh, working in the same profession, or having as many children, or entertaining everybody at gatherings. :)

Sorry, I accidentally clicked enter before I'd finished my post. Please see above. :) @swift bough

[swift bough]

Makes sense. My grandfather was working on a model-T before he passed away (it’s a really old car he was rebuilding), which he nearly finished, and he wanted someone to finish it for him, so I guess in that case I would also use „jemandes Vermächtnis erfüllen“, right?

[long whale]

I guess so, since it seems your grandfather was emotionally invested in that project. :)

[swift bough]

Oh yes he loved it for sure

Thank you for your explanations ♥️

[unreal terrace]

Hallo! in the sentence "Mittags weiterfahrt Richtung Melk". is it "Weiterfahrt" or "weiterfahrt" (verb)?

if so how can I make some sense out of that sentence? 😅

[willow socket]

it is a noun in this sentence, hence why it's capitalised. Basically it's a sentence fragment: 'midday onward in the direction of Melk.'

[unreal terrace]

Danke schönnnn

[shut onyx]

Hallo ich habe deutsche rechstscheidung geernt

Was GLaD Member ist?

[mild dove]

Do you mean: „Hallo, ich habe die deutsche Rechtschreibung gelernt.“ ?

[shut onyx]

Yes yes

Thanks

[mild dove]

No problem

[terse violet]

@shut onyx "GLaD Member" significa "German Learning an Discussion Member"

[shut onyx]

Ok daenk

[keen sapphire]

Wheres the best place to start learning?

Ive read through the beginners google doc but im still a little confused

[fringe pasture]

I can recommend babbel. But its not free. I learn turkish with it right now. Its really good. if your good enough, start watching movies in german.

[keen sapphire]

im currently using duolingo with a german grammar website

i only started two days ago though

babbel looked interesting and i looked into it but sadly as you said its paid

[atomic thicket]

I am also using Duolingo but im not too sure how effective it is going to be for me

[keen sapphire]

are you using it as a main resource or a supplement

[atomic thicket]

Supplement really

[keen sapphire]

are you learning german with it

[atomic thicket]

I'm english and have a german qualification already so I can hold conversations in German I just want to be come more proficient

[keen sapphire]

ah alright that makes sense

how long have you been using it for

[atomic thicket]

Duolingo?

[keen sapphire]

yeah

[tall trail]

Meaning of es stet zu?

[atomic thicket]

Probably just over a week

urself?

[keen sapphire]

i spent about 8 months learning korean like two years ago and korean duolingo kinda sucked but i decided to give it another shot for german, and it seems to be good at keeping me consistent

[atomic thicket]

ye its good but I find it is abit repetitive sometimes

[keen sapphire]

i see so many videos where people have been able to be conversational in like 6 months but im not sure what resources they actually use

[atomic thicket]

i havent been learning german too intensively if im honest

but some people are better at languages than others i suppose

[keen sapphire]

how long did it take you to get conversational

[atomic thicket]

i dont know how familiar with the english school system but i did something called GCSEs

so i probably did 2hrs a week x 36 weeks for 3 years?

[keen sapphire]

all the experiences i had learning languages through school was terrible. just learning common phrases and no real grammar

[atomic thicket]

ya mein grammatik ist sehr schlecht

[keen sapphire]

if you did more a week how fast do you think it wouldve taken you

[atomic thicket]

i suck with grammar

i didnt take it too seriously at school if i had done it more seriously maybe 6 months of maybe 8-10hrs a week?

[keen sapphire]

it was with a teacher who spoke german right

[atomic thicket]

ye bilingual teachers

[keen sapphire]

do you think id need a teacher or do you think i could get conversational by teaching my self

[atomic thicket]

you could definitely get conversational by yourself

i found my german improved massively over 2 weeks when I visited germany

as in native german speakers could understand me and i could talk to them despite my awful grammar

[keen sapphire]

hopefully the australian borders are open by the time im old enough to travel

thats kinda my goal atm

[atomic thicket]

thats cool

well if u wanna practise talking in german im happy to, i need all the practise i can get

[keen sapphire]

yeah id love to

probably not soon though because i only started two days ago

but im gonna try to get to a basic talking stage soon hopefully

[atomic thicket]

ah fair enough as a complete novice duolingo is probably a good place to start

[keen sapphire]

are you familiar with memrise

[atomic thicket]

nope dont think ive heard of it tbh

[keen sapphire]

oh well its basically a flashcard app for learning languages

i found this good set which has the 5000 most common words with audio

and im hoping i can use it to get a decent vocabulary

i find it pretty fun learning new words

[atomic thicket]

ah that is useful

ye its not too bad if you enjoy it tbh

[keen sapphire]

are you learning any other languages

[atomic thicket]

no

one is enough for me haha

hbu

[keen sapphire]

well i can speak english, and my parents are afrikaans so its kind of a weird situation where i can understand all of afrikaans and read it but i cant speak it

i learnt korean for a while before stopping

and now im learning german

[atomic thicket]

ah fair enough thats decent

[keen sapphire]

how old are you

[atomic thicket]

siebsehn

und du ?

[keen sapphire]

almost 16

[scenic drift]

sorry for butting in here, but if you've already done GCSE then duolingo won't be much help to you. GCSE brings you to A2 level, so focus on B1 grammar / vocab :)

[keen sapphire]

what resources would you recommend for me to reach b1 as a complete beginner

[scenic drift]

start with the resource list in #getting-started 😉

personally i'm a big fan of textbooks for providing structured grammar / vocab teaching but it's up to you what you prefer working with 🤷‍♂️ most important is to choose a route and stick to it

[keen sapphire]

i looked through the google doc that was linked but its kinda overwhelming

most resources look like they teach you phrases which isnt really what im looking for

im looking for a coverage of all the basic grammar

so i can make my own sentences

[scenic drift]

nico's weg is a popular place to start.

i think we also have a getting started faq, hold on

pinged you in #botchannel :)

[keen sapphire]

thanks 🙂 i found that earlier and i plan on using the list but im not sure which resources i should use or if any are recommended to learn each topic

[scenic drift]

have you taken a look at nicos weg?

i think that might be a nice place to start because it's one resource that covers everything

[keen sapphire]

ill take a look at it

i have actually seen it, although like you, im probably more fond of grammar text books

unless you think its a nicos weg is a better resource for a complete beginner like me

[scenic drift]

maybe take a look at the textbooks here? https://old.reddit.com/r/German/wiki/textbooks

[keen sapphire]

thanks! thats a great list, ill be sure to check it out in detail

are you familiar with memrise or anki

[scenic drift]

if you want pure grammar then i like schubert verlag's a-grammatik / b-grammatik / c-grammatik

[scenic drift]

i've been using anki every day for over 5 years, so yes

[keen sapphire]

ah well memrise is pretty similar

what do you think of this

https://app.memrise.com/course/920/5000-german-words-top-87/

[scenic drift]

ii'm not a fan of using other people's vocab decks, i think it's a lot more effective to make one yourself

[atomic thicket]

thx mikey

i did think it was a little easy tbh

[keen sapphire]

i have heard that before but i dont think i could make a very good deck because im kinda relying on others pronunciation atm because ive been learning for a couple of days

[atomic thicket]

@scenic drift im not familiar with the A1 A2 etc ratings where can i find what they all mean to understand them

[scenic drift]

pinged you in #botchannel :)

[scenic drift]

you can certainly try using other folks' decks, it might work for you :) but for me it just doesn't, i need to make the deck myself.

i used text-to-speech last time i started a language and that was ok until i got to the point where i could easily pronounce it myself

[keen sapphire]

how long did it take you to get to a conversational level?

[scenic drift]

in german or in the last language i learned? 😆

[keen sapphire]

oh in german

[scenic drift]

for german i learned in school so it was VERY slow progress compared to what i could've done outside of school. took at least 2 years in the classroom before i could converse ok

for swedish (most recent language i've been doing) it was about 4 weeks of self-study before i could have basic conversations, around ~8 weeks to B1, and ~12 weeks to having no problem speaking

(and that was self study)

[keen sapphire]

how often did you study

[scenic drift]

at first it was every day ~30 mins of anki + an hour or two of going through a textbook / learning grammar

i got through the A1-A2 textbook in about 2 weeks and after that it was just exposure to native materials (starting with easy listening / easy reading and then moving on to just stuff for natives), usually 1-2 hours a day

[keen sapphire]

oh wow thats impressive

do you have any tips for studying

[scenic drift]

i should mention i did also move to sweden after finishing the A1-A2 textbook, which helped a lot

my tips

• in terms of approach, get a basic understanding of grammar then focus on vocab growth + exposure to native materials
• be consistent and make sure you study every day
• have a specific goal you're working towards / motivation why you're learning the language

[keen sapphire]

by studying every day is that doing all the flash cards or is it more of a focused grammar studying

[scenic drift]

both

[keen sapphire]

for someone like myself whos just starting out with german how much time do you think i should spend each day on vocab and on grammar

[scenic drift]

that's less a question of your current level and more a question of how much time you're willing to spend :P

[keen sapphire]

thanks for all the helpful tips 🙂

[plain umbra]

Can you give some more info about this?

[keen sapphire]

Yeah sure!

There was this google doc i found on the discord somewhere which had a list of things to learn and resources

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1J5PJK0qStw2DHQHdRHuKIfq_bJrZkFarQVT7fkz13tg/edit

[scenic drift]

I think base is looking for deets on why it’s hard to follow

[plain umbra]

Yeah.

[keen sapphire]

ah alright

[plain umbra]

We have a beginner section at the start. I assume you looked at that. Is there something about it that makes it difficult to use?

[keen sapphire]

the linked sites looked more like phrases that you learn, and id prefer learning the grammar behind the phrases and making my own sentences

i did find two useful sites on the doc which i plan on using

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com
https://www.german-grammar.de/grammar/content/english_german_table_of_content.htm

[plain umbra]

Which sites?

[keen sapphire]

Nicos Weg and some others that i looked at but i cant remember which off the top of my head

[plain umbra]

Oh I see. Nicos Weg is more like a course. It has videos and phrases, but also a lot of grammar exercises and info.

[keen sapphire]

do you think its a better resource than the other two i sent

[plain umbra]

If you're only planning to use one resource, then yes. Typically people don't just use just one though. Like it would make more sense to use all 3 resources.

When it comes to grammar, for German, unfortunately there's no one resource that is the best out of all of them.

Each website/source tends to do better at explaining different things.

I usually look up simple grammar stuff by googling the topic and picking one of the top links from a website I know usually has good info.

That's also why we have that faq beginner that Mikey showed you. You can use it to figure out what topics to research.

But in the end it's totally up to you how you prefer to learn.

[keen sapphire]

i did find the faq beginner very useful and i plan on using it

i was just thinking that maybe going through a book would be better to measure your progress if that makes sense

[plain umbra]

So just to clarify, was there anything about the resource list in particular that made it hard to use, or was it more that you didn't find the resources to be appealing?

[plain umbra]

It does make sense but my experience so far was that German textbooks tend to be... more classroom-focussed, so it can be hard to use them for self study.

[keen sapphire]

its just that there was a lot of content and i wasnt sure which part of the doc applied to me

[plain umbra]

But if you can find a good one, then sure, it would work.

[plain umbra]

Ah I see.

[keen sapphire]

thanks for all the help 🙂 i look forward to learning more German

[plain umbra]

Np, I hope you enjoy.

[quartz radish]

Was bedeutet hammerlos?

[proven sphinx]

Meinst du nicht "harmlos"?

"hammerlos" literally means "without a hammer", which is a pretty weird thing to say.

[quartz radish]

Ne. Ich habe einen Satz von der Champions league Auslosung gesehen. Es lautet: Hammerlos für Bayern und Dortmund

[proven sphinx]

AHHHHHHH

Jetzt verstehe ich es.

"Hammer" irgendwas heißt sowas wie "super". Ein Superlos für Bayern und Dortmund. Bayern und Dortmund haben viel Glück gehabt.

Das kommt von der Redewendung "der Hammer sein", was "großartig sein" bedeutet.

Ein Los ist etwas, das du z. B. an der Lotterie ziehst.

Es heißt also eigentlich, dass Bayern und Dortmund praktisch die Lotterie gewonnen haben. Sie hatten sehr viel Glück bei der Auswahl.

[quartz radish]

Aha hab ich es jetzt begriffen. Danke sehr.

[worthy igloo]

Es ist schwer zu glauben, dass Henrys bescheidener Plan diesen unvorhergesehenen Ereignissen zum Trotz so gut funktionierte.

is “diesen x zum Trotz” just another fancier way of saying “trotz diesen x”?

[proven sphinx]

Yep, pretty much.

Trotz dieser X, though. Use "trotz" with the genitive.

[delicate tiger]

Vorsicht, kann auch genau andersrum gemeint sein, als "hammerhart"

[proven sphinx]

Welches ist denn jetzt wohl gemeint? Kennst du dich damit aus? 😂

[worthy igloo]

ich verstehe, danke schön!!

[proven sphinx]

https://www.sportnews.bz/artikel/fussball/europaeische-wettbewerbe/champions-league/cl-viertelfinale-hammerlose-fuer-bayern-und-dortmund

Es scheint aber schon "sie hatten viel Glück" gemeint worden zu sein.

Moment...

Offenbar ist es wohl eher "hammerhart" dann?

Ja, doch.

@quartz radish Sorry, but it seems that it was the exact opposite. It meant that those teams have their work cut out for them. They have to face some pretty difficult opponents to face.

[molten cove]

Hello guys I hope You're good, I have a question about this sentence: "Tim und Struppi ist eine europäische, bekannte und bedeutendste Comicserien", I would like to know if the adjectives are well declined

[quartz radish]

Immer wieder wenn ich Werbungen auf dem Internet sehe, erkenne ich, dass dort ein Abrufen steht. Ich kenn schon die Bedeutung dafür, kann ich jedoch das Wort in diesem Sinne nicht erfasse.

[wintry geode]

"Die Website abrufen"
and charge your phone

[long whale]

Almost. Just like in English, you can't have an/eine + superlative (a nicest X doesn'T work, does it?). And yes, I can see how "a most important" would work, but "a ...est" doesn't, nor does "eine ... ste". Plus, why did you use "eine" + "Comicserien" (which is plural)?

[brittle acorn]

maybe "eine der bedeutendsten Comicserien"? Depends on what exactly is meant

[molten cove]

Omg thank you, I was making so many mistakes maybe the sentence would be " Tim und Struppi ist europäische, bekannte und bedeutende Comicserien"

[molten cove]

Ohh so do I always have to write a pronoun with superlatives?

[brittle acorn]

just like how its in english

[molten cove]

Sorry the plural is because I forgot that rule 😦

[molten cove]

Okay 🙂

[brittle acorn]

But this would be correct without the last n

and you missed the "eine", was correct the first time tho

[molten cove]

Okay, I have to write in singular 🙂

is this better? "Tim und Struppi ist eine europäische, bekannte und bedeutende Comicserie"

[brittle acorn]

Perfect :)

[molten cove]

Okay, thank so much guys 🙂

[molten cove]

Guys I have another question is that correct? "Tintin ist ein junger Reporter mit unbekanntem Alter" I want to say Tintin is a young boy of unknown age but I'm not sure about the last part

[long whale]

Yeah, you'd need to put that in Genitiv: ... junger Reporter unbekannten Alters. Although it's a bit of a contradiction, isn't it? Saying he's young, but of unknown age?

[molten cove]

thank youu 🙂 yes, you're right there's a contradiction

[worthy igloo]

Die meiste Zeit über verhalte ich mich eher still.

is “über” necessary here?

[icy flax]

Check mal "über als Adverb", die zweite Bedeutung (ugs.). Über soll für übrig auch stehe.

"Die meiste übrige Zeit verhalte ich mich eher still"

Es könnte das sein.

[long whale]

Nnn... You'll certainly hear it without in colloquial German. It sounds more "complete" with the über, though, at least in my opinion. And there are plenty of expressions where you couldn't leave it out. :)

[long whale]

No. It isn't. It means as much as "während". Think of "tagsüber" (during the day). :)

Your sentence would mean "the rest of the time" instead of "[during] most of the time"

[odd field]

A question for you guys:
etw. wert sein
soll etw. akkusativ oder dativ sein? oder beides geht?

hab es im Wörterbuch gesucht, und hab gefunden:

(1) einen Versuch wert sein
das Geld wert sein
das ist ja akkusativ

(2) der Rede wert sein
der Erwähnung wert sein
das ist aber dativ

welche ist richtig? oder wenn beides stimmt, gibt es also eine ungenannte Regel mit dem dativen oder dem akkusativen?

[willow socket]

I think the difference might be...kinda stabbing in the dark here, but basically:
(1) it is literally 'worth the money' (akkusativ)
whereas in (2) it is more like 'worthy of something (with genitive, not dative)

So like with 2, it's worth mentioning

[odd field]

achh its genetive

[willow socket]

but I'm not 100% sure, and here, there seems to be some overlap with genitiv/akkusativ even in the 2nd example...

[odd field]

thanks its very helpful

maybe its a feste Redewendung or sth, I should probably just memorize some of them

[fervent kernel]

I have a question.. for young girls we write das Maedchen so similarly for young boys what do we write? der Junge?

[plain umbra]

Yep.

[fervent kernel]

Ok. Danke!

[proven sphinx]

There's also the word "der Knabe", but that's seen as a bit antiquated in Standard German. It's still very common in Austria or Switzerland, though.

[scenic drift]

and der Bube too, right?

although i think that one is regional too

[icy flax]

Thought on that, but there was no explanation of a "nachgestelltes" über, meaning während. Thanks!

[proven sphinx]

"der Bube" is even more dialectal, since in Standard German it refers to a mean, ruthless person.

[icy flax]

eine Freundin machte die schwierigsten Yoga-Stellungen auf Instagram

ich zu ihr: Hast du je Rückenschmerzen? (Ja, das fragte ich mich, während sich meine wie die eines 80-Jährigen anfühlen. )

Is there a more idiomatic way to put that? It seems broken, idk. ||#insecurityWithGerman||

[proven sphinx]

Like, in our local public swimming pool here in Switzerland, there are separate dressing rooms for "Mädchen" and "Knaben" outside. I'm not sure why they're separated from the men and women's dressing room, but I think it's because a lot of school classes go there, so the adults probably wanted to have some peace. Kek.

That's Swiss Standard German, whereas in the dialect itself you'd say "Mäitli" und "Buebe".

[icy flax]

Or to lower the chance of pedophilia? I would prefer my kids changing in rooms for kids. I swim since my 5 yo and we had special changing rooms for Knaben and Mädchen too (:

[proven sphinx]

I don't know if that's the reasoning behind it. Europeans in general tend to be less paranoid about some pedophile lurking behind every corner than e.g. Americans are. But maybe that's part of it too. I'm not sure. And that's only the case outside anyway (for the Freibad). There are other changing rooms inside for the Hallenbad which are separated only by gender, not age.

[wise pendant]

Sometimes we don't even separate by gender or anything. As I was in the Hallenbad with my father back in my childhood, we always went to a shared room called Sammelumkleide, where often like 4 families with they children where all changing clothes in the same room. Without blenders or anything. Somewhat like this
https://www.rutscherlebnis.de/website/var/tmp/image-thumbnails/0/2722/thumb__fullsize/aqualaatzium-laatzen-2014-06-07-12-18-54_p1480793.jpeg

That image brings back childhood memories tbh.

@icy flax

[lyric grove]

What are reasons to learn German?

[proven sphinx]

There can be many reasons for learning any language, really. Maybe you just like the language? Maybe you want to move to Germany, Austria or Switzerland? Maybe you need it for work? Maybe your parents or ancestors spoke it, and you want to learn it as a heritage language? Maybe you just enjoy German music, movies or series, and you want to be able to understand them without subtitles.

Or you interact with a lot of people who speak German on a daily basis, whether IRL or online.

[lyric grove]

None of those apply to me

I found online that there are a bunch of economic opportunities and Germany is an economic powerhouse but I don't want to move to germany

[proven sphinx]

It's all up to you, really. You just need to have enough motivation to actually learn the language, whether it be because you need it for a job, for school or if you want to learn it just for the sake of it.

With every language comes a new culture you'll familiarize yourself with. It's never just about the language itself.

[lyric grove]

True

Idk I'm trying to get myself to want to learn it because I've heard it's somewhat hard compared to other languages

[stone sierra]

What's the Adresszusatz? I need it for the Erasmus thanks guys a lot

[willow socket]

it's basically if you need to add any info about your address beyond Straße + Hausnummer, postleitzahl, Ort, Land

[stone sierra]

Ohhh Dankeschön

Who tf needs to add anything to that? Xd

[night dagger]

danke schön* :)

[terse violet]

@night dagger Dankeschön* :)

[night dagger]

?

[proven sphinx]

Es ist "danke schön", Marcel...

[terse violet]

Nein?

[proven sphinx]

Das Dankeschön, aber "danke schön", wenn man es einfach so sagt.

[night dagger]

stimmt ^

[terse violet]

Nein?

[night dagger]

lol

[proven sphinx]

Schau es doch einfach nach. Ich weiß, dass du da leider falsch liegst.

[terse violet]

Danke, ich weiß selbst, dass ich Recht habe.

[proven sphinx]

Sei doch kein Troll. Niemand wird mit allem Wissen geboren.

[night dagger]

er sagte ihm ein Dankeschön. er hatte gesagt:"danke schön."

[terse violet]

Ehrlich gesagt ist mir das zu blöd, zum Diskutieren. xD

Ich hab in meinem Leben noch nie "danke schön" gesehen.

[proven sphinx]

Kommst du aus einem parallelen Universum? 😂

[terse violet]

Kann sein, dass es in Deutschland ist.

Aber, in Österreich hab ich noch nie, weder in einem Text, noch in der Werbung, noch in der Zeitung noch sonstwo "danke schön" gelesen.

[proven sphinx]

https://sprachekulturkommunikation.com/dankeschoen-oder-danke-schoen-zusammen-oder-getrennt-gross-oder-klein/

"Dankeschön" gibt es schon, aber es ist halt einfach das Nomen.

[night dagger]

es kommt auf den Kontext an

[solid hull]

aber wenn man jemandem das Dankeschön wünscht

[night dagger]

in diesem Kontext: "danke schön"

[proven sphinx]

Ja, genau.

Gott, manche Leute sind sich halt so sicher, dass sie es einfach nicht akzeptieren wollen, dass sie halt nicht alles wissen.

Schau es doch einfach nach. Dafür gibt es das Internet ja.

[terse violet]

Ja, du allwissender @proven sphinx.

Dann gibt's halt beides.

[proven sphinx]

Ja, jetzt stimmst du mir plötzlich zu? Okay, belassen wir es einfach dabei...

[terse violet]

Aber "Dankeschön" ist mindestens genauso korrekt wie "Danke schön".

[proven sphinx]

Es hängt vom Kontext ab, wie eigentlich so ziemlich alles.

[ivory loom]

weisst ihr, raven war meine lieblingsfigur von Teen Titans o_O

[solid hull]

theoretisch gesehen könnte man "Dankeschön" sagen wenn man "danke schön" meint wenn man ja damit meint oder sagen will dass man jemandem "ein Dankeschön" schenkt/wünscht

oder?

[proven sphinx]

Ich glaube nicht, dass es so funktioniert.

[solid hull]

traurig

[proven sphinx]

"Dankeschön" ist wirklich nur das Nomen.

Als Dankeschön/ein Dankeschön/kein Dankeschön usw.

[solid hull]

ja das stimmt, aber ich dachte man könnte es jemandem wünschen, und es damit als korrekt betrachten bzw es mit danke schön in allen kontexten vergleichen

synonym verwenden

zumindest würde es für mich Sinn ergeben

[ivory loom]

ich wunsche dir ein dankeschon

o-O

lol

das funktionert nicht xd

[solid hull]

hä? ne ich sag nicht dass man das Ganze sagen würde.. ich sag nur dass sich die Verwendung von "dankeschön" als "danke schön" daraus erklären ließe

[junior eagle]

Eine Frage für eine Muttersprachler hinsichtlich "Slang".
Da hätte ich mich reinlegen können!

I imagine this means that I could have fooled myself?

Hier ist der ganze Text:

Wir haben uns also hingesetzt und losgefuttert . Er hat mein Lieblingsessen gekocht Klöße mit Sauce . Da hätt‘ ich mich reinlegen können !

[delicate tiger]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/hineinlegen siehe 1b

[brittle acorn]

Nicht sicher, was genau gemeint ist, aber "fool" passt hier nicht.

Wortwörtlich ist es aber nicht gemeint

Mehr weil das Essen so gut ist

[wise pendant]

What he said is along the lines of:
"The food was so good. I could have bathed in it."
As the other two already hinted at.

[junior eagle]

To lay in it then I guess, thanks.

I don´t think I would ever use these myself, though it is good to understand them. The writing task at C1 is a summation of an Infographic so I wouldn´t need it there.

[worthy igloo]

danke schön! das ergibt Sinn!! was sind eigene von diesen Redewendungen?

[long whale]

Not exactly Redewendungen, but have a look at II.2. here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/über#d-1-1-2 :)

In those examples, über couldn't/wouldn't be dropped. :)

[worthy igloo]

perfekt! ich schaue mal die Liste an

[grim wave]

Wenn ich ,,to send to a website" sagen wollte, wie sagt man das?

wäre es ,,an eine Seite schicken" oder was?

[fringe pasture]

an eine Seite senden

[grim wave]

Vielen Dank

[worthy igloo]

why is “ich mach” inverted here?

[delicate tiger]

implied "Das mach ich nie wieder."

[worthy igloo]

ach so, ergibt Sinn! danke danke 🙏🏻

[worthy igloo]

are you supposed to say ich bin bang or mir ist bange? or both?

[proven sphinx]

Rather the latter, but really, that formulations sounds very formal and literary. You'd just normally say "Ich habe Angst."

[worthy igloo]

alles klar 👌🏻 vielen Dank

[proven sphinx]

There's also the expression "jemandem wird angst und bange", which is a way to emphasize that someone is really scared.

[worthy igloo]

ooh, could you use that in a sentence?

[proven sphinx]

https://www.redensarten-index.de/suche.php?suchbegriff=~~jemandem wird angst und bange&suchspalte[]=rart_ou

[worthy igloo]

oh okay, i was trying to see if it’s always with wird instead of ist but it looks like it pretty much is

[proven sphinx]

Both work.

[tender panther]

Saw this late 1800s gravestone in a true crime video. Is "Ehre Kinder" correct, or should it say "ihre Kinder"?

[long whale]

Yup. I guess the stone mason wasn't big on orthography. 🤷

[tender panther]

They were a German immigrant family that were murdered in the U.S. so I was thinking it could've been a non-German speaker getting it wrong. Thanks!

[fervent kernel]

They accidentally hit the spellcheck suggestions on the chisel

[bold sapphire]

3 Jahren is also wrong smh

[amber fiber]

does privot mean hello for germans to?

[long whale]

No. :)

[tight brook]

Hallo! Could someone please explain why you would use the word "dich" instead of "du"?

[willow socket]

@tight brook have you learned about cases yet? German has 4. Nominative, accusative, dative, and genitive.
du = nominativ
dich = akkusativ
dir = dativ

When singular informal 'you' is the subject of the sentence, you would use 'du'
i.e. Du bist sehr schön.
When it is the akkusativ object, dich.
i.e. Ich sehe dich.

[tight brook]

No I haven't yet learnt cases as I started just a few days ago but I will now look into them, thank you!

[wind zodiac]

Was ist die Erfahrung in Deutschland fur transgender Leute? ich vermute, dass es kompliziert ist, weil Deutsch eine Sprache mit Geschlect ist

(how do u say gendered language?)

[icy flax]

Meines Erachtens fällt es den Transgendern überall schwer, also egal wo sie gerade sind. Meine Vermutung ist, dass in Deutschland ein bisschen freier ist als hier bei mir in Brasilien. Die Deutsche scheinen im Vergleich, aufgeschlossener zu solchen Themen zu sein.
War der Übersetzung betrifft, würde ich selbst "geschlechtergeprägte Sprache" sagen, was anscheinend falsch ist haha.

Möglichkeiten sind viele

[scenic drift]

ich würde sagen, dass die Sprache nicht wirklich ein Problem ist, benutze einfach das Wort, das zu deinem Geschlecht passt. ich denke, dass die Situation in Deutschland für transgender menschen insgesamt viel besser ist als im Rest der Welt. nicht viele Länder sind besser 🤷‍♂️

oder zumindest wenn ich die Erfahrungen von Trans-Freunden in Deutschland mit Trans-Freunden im Rest der Welt vergleiche 😆

[wind zodiac]

haha, ja Deutschland scheint viel besser als die Vereingites Koenigreich.

[scenic drift]

terf island, oder? 🇬🇧

[wind zodiac]

Danke sie beide fur die Antworten :)

lol ja ich wohne in TERF island

es ist sehr anstrengend und ich bin nicht einmal trans

[clever matrix]

Hallo 🙂 klingt "passen lassen" komisch, und/oder wirkt es respektlos? Hier ist der Kontext:

"Falls du einen Wochentag bevorzügst, kann ich Montag bis Freitag um 15 Uhr passen lassen."

(Ich möchte zum Ausdruck bringen, dass eine andere Zeit am besten passt, aber ich biete diese andere Optionen falls erforderlich.)

[delicate tiger]

"Falls du einen Wochentag bevorzugst, kann ich [auch/zur Not] Montag bis Freitag um 15 Uhr"

[clever matrix]

danke! 🙂

[delicate tiger]

"Falls du einen Tag in der Woche bevorzugst,..." (als Gegenteil zum Wochenende, ein Wochentag ist Montag bis Sonntag)

[hollow vapor]

I have no idea what to write there, can anyone give me a hint or help me with that?

[long whale]

Hmm... The English translation would be "today I turn to you" if that helps? ;)

[ashen zenith]

you can write heute wende ich mich an Sie, um einen ihrer Mitareiter zu loben.

[hollow vapor]

anwenden! :D

[delicate tiger]

No, "sich an jemanden wenden"

[worthy igloo]

is it fair to say that in informal speech german speakers will leave out commas where they normally would have to be?

[wary swan]

What are the modal verben that can also be vollverb ?

[tall trail]

position of bitte?

what position is it in?

[long whale]

https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/sprachratgeber/Kommasetzung-bei-bitte There are several examples here (without comma, or, if particularly stressed, with comma). Let me know if there's anything you don't understand. :)

[tall trail]

Right

[keen sapphire]

When people say the verb should be in the second position what does that mean?

[vocal ruin]

In a main clause, verbs should be in what's called 'the second position'. Now, that does not mean they have to be the second word in the sentence. I honestly don't know all of the "positions" that words can potentially take, but I can give examples.

Ich trinke einen Kaffee morgens.

Einen Kaffee trinke ich morgens.

Morgens trinke ich einen Kaffee.

In all three sentences, the verb (trinken) is in the second position. These sentences technically mean the same thing, but each emphasise something different. I have not quite got a full hang of the intricacies of different ways to emphasise things in a sentence. That's something a native would probably be able to help you out with.

[keen sapphire]

Alright that makes sense to me 🙂 so basically just the second thing that comes up but not necessarily the second word?

[vocal ruin]

That's probably the best way I could describe it lol. It's important to note that in some clauses and other constructions, verbs change their positions. For example, in a subordinate clause, the verb will go at the end. (I think it's called a subordinate clause, but I don't think it's important at all to get hung up on technical grammar terminology).

[fervent kernel]

LET me know if there's anything you don't understand. -----> LASS mich wissen wenn du etwas nicht verstehst. (verb is not at second place, there is no such rule!!)

[vocal ruin]

Well that's an imperative (command). Generally, there is such a rule.

[keen sapphire]

Well i dont understand much of the sentence at all lol i dont know much vocab and have only started about a week ago

[fervent kernel]

well i simply translated the sentence on the left!!!!

[vocal ruin]

Yeah it's alright. Just build up slowly. Listen to German things and read German things and try to get to know the flow and general feel of the language. It will take time, but you'll get there. It's very satisfying when you can listen or read something for the first time effortlessly.

[long whale]

This rule applies to main clauses, and it's a pretty hard rule. It doesn't apply to commands/imperative, questions or subordinate clauses. :)

[keen sapphire]

Thanks for the help and the encouragement!

[keen sapphire]

Thanks 🙂

[acoustic breach]

Hallo, ich habe eine Frage zum Verb "sicher"

"Ich bin sicher" kann bedeuten, dass ich bin nicht in Gefahr

But what if i want to say that I am sure of Something

Should i say "ich bin mir sicher/mir ist sicher", or can I also say "ich bin sicher"

Danke im Voraus!

[fringe pasture]

mir ist sicher would be wrong

ich bin mir sicher, dass.... oder ich bin sicher, dass.....

geht beides

[acoustic breach]

Danke!

[fervent kernel]

i dont think that "sicher" is a verb, it rather describes something, like your state of mind, or a situation for example. To me "sicher" relates to the word "safe", because if you say "i am certain of it" / "ich bin mir sicher", i want to express that i am "on the safe side with my opinion for example, noone can deny it"

[acoustic breach]

Oh sorry,
Yes it is not a verb 😂 I thought of something else

[acoustic breach]

That's the reason I asked this

Because i got 2 answers from the internet. Some says both are same (with or without mir), some expresses like what you said

[fringe pasture]

simply it has two meanings. it can mean "safe" and it can also mean "sure". It depends on the kontext

[acoustic breach]

Thanks you! @fringe pasture @fervent kernel

[shut briar]

Es geht nichts um mich an

Sollte es nicht ˋnicht´ sein? Stattdessen nichts

Ich übersetzte das als ˋit does not concern me ´

[icy flax]

Vin, bist du dir sicher, dass es da ein "um" gab? Noch gestern hab ich eine Serie gesehen, wo dieser Satz benutzt wurde.
Mein persönliches Leben geht Sie nichts an.

Auch die zwei Beispiele beim 4. haben das "um" nicht. https://www.dwds.de/wb/angehen#d-1-4

Misch dich nicht in Sachen, Dinge, die dich nichts angehen!
Das geht dich nichts an

Es geht nicht um mich <- It has not to do with me (Edit: it's not about me)
Es geht mich nichts an <- It does not concern me (Edit: it's none of my business)

[proven sphinx]

I'd rather translate "Es geht nicht um mich" as "It's not about me".

And "Es geht mich nichts an" as "It's none of my business."

[shut briar]

Das war der genaue Satz, den ich gesehen habe, aber es war ein Untertitel in einem chinesischen Video. Ich denke jetzt es war falsch

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das ist definitiv falsch. Es sollte wahrscheinlich entweder "Es geht mich nichts an" oder "Es geht nicht um mich" sein.

[shut briar]

Dann Gut, dass ich danach gefragt habe

[proven sphinx]

*danach, nicht "daran".

[shut briar]

Oh ja, ich dachte schon, dass es nicht richtig geklungen hat

[scenic drift]

"..., dass es nicht richtig geklungen hat" 😉

(remember that dass sends the verb to the end of the clause)

[shut briar]

Ah natürlich, 😣, holidays have me forgetting everything

[shut briar]

I think it has nothing to do with me is more like es ist nichts mit mir zu tun @proven sphinx was denkst du

Also, still confused why is it nichts and not nicht in es geht mich nichts an

[icy flax]

yeah, i was just trying to come up with a meaning. "es hat* nichts mit mir zu tun" would be a more appropriate translation to "it has nothing to do with me"

[proven sphinx]

Yep, you're right.

[worthy igloo]

wie würde man „sassy“ am besten übersetzen? ich hab einige Ergebnisse gesehen

[willow socket]

frech is how I would translate it

[icy flax]

"Bist du gut in die Woche gestartet?"
Is it a colloquialism? I would have said "1. Hat dir die Woche gut gestartet?" or maybe "2. Hast du die Woche gut angefangen?". I mean, starten is not even a movement verb. Maybe a third option, with bist, would be "3. Bist du gut in die Woche gerutscht?".

(Eine zweite Meinung dazu möchte ich gerne hier sehen. Die Schreiberin wohnt seit einer Weile in Berlin, wenn es euch iwie von Bedeutung ist)

[frank ridge]

what's the difference between 'auf wen' and 'mit wem'? that mit wem is dativ specific?

[willow socket]

mit does always take the dative case...however the difference between these two depends on the context in which they are used.
z.B. auf wen verlässt du dich? (who do you trust?)
mit wem gehst du am liebsten spazieren? (with whom do you most like to go on walks?)

[long whale]

The original sentence is correct. Yours wouldn't work, except for the 3rd option, which would indeed be a bit colloquial. :)

[jaunty osprey]

Can someone recommend good online games/quizzes to memorise Vocabulary faster?

[icy flax]

Thanks, Susana! So starten is indeed a movement/state verb and builds perfekt with sein. That's pretty odd. Do you know why?

[long whale]

What's odd about this? landen is another verb which takes sein. 🤷

So's ankommen.

[fading flicker]

https://youtu.be/tkVix83IePU

This vid helps to learn verbs with sein

[willow socket]

looks like the least safe summer camp of all time

[willow socket]

anki decks...playing it a bit fast and loose with games, maybe. But quizzes I think it counts 😄

if it's important that it's online as in on the internet, quizlet decks also have quizzes sometimes

[jaunty osprey]

I remember there was a website that people streamed here a lot where there were 4 pictures and a word and you try to guess which picture belongs to that word but I can't recall its name, it was quite addicting tho

[sly ferry]

There's a popular app called 4 Bilder 1 Wort, maybe it's that ?

[icy flax]

Ok ok! I got it now. "starten" can be a movement verb too.

That was the catch there.

[jaunty osprey]

No sadly not that one

[frank ridge]

we have to fill in the Präposition for each sentence and the sentence is: Kevin kann leider nicht mitfahren, weil er sich (auf/über/um) eine Prüfung vorbereiten muss. i think it's auf? is this correct?

[long whale]

Yes. :)

[frank ridge]

HECK YEAH

[scenic drift]

@icy flax can i just say how much i'm appreciating you watching mord mit aussicht 😹

i binge-watched the whole thing before i left germany, i watched like 5 episodes a day

[scarlet forum]

Are there any official and/or commonly used lgbt terms in german?

[scenic drift]

schau mal: https://www.muenchen.de/rathaus/Stadtverwaltung/Direktorium/Koordinierungsstelle-fuer-gleichgeschlechtliche-Lebensweisen/Glossar.html

(there's a lot of similar pages online - google "lgbt terminologie auf deutsch" or similar)

[scarlet forum]

Thank you!

[jaunty osprey]

okay I found it

https://babadum.com/play/?lang=3&game=1

[fervent kernel]

"Is this," this is," and "that is" in German.
All I know of is das and ist, so I'm assuming it's all about context.

[proven sphinx]

Is this ...? = Ist das ...?
That/This is = Das ist ....

[swift bough]

They also tend to mean is this\this is since a majority of the time I’ve noticed people don’t actually say „dies“.

[worthy igloo]

vielen Dank!!

[spring socket]

Nebenbei heilt er die Bauern, die ihm immer noch nicht die Hand reichten, denn was sich nicht gehört, gehört sich nicht; aber wenn sie Schmerzen haben, kommen sie zu ihm

denn was sich nicht gehört, gehört sich nicht

I'm having trouble understanding this part. The Miller heals the farmers on the side (farmers that previously disregarded him, I figure), because what doesn't belong to itself, doesn't belong to itself - but when they're not well, they come to him?

[fervent kernel]

was sich nicht gehört, gehört sich nicht means something along the lines of "if it isn't proper, it isn't proper"

[long whale]

You've confused "jemandem gehören" (to belong to somebody) and "sich gehören" (to be appropriate/good manners) :)

[spring socket]

@fervent kernel @long whale thanks guys!

[edgy lotus]

Hi guys! How would you translate the phrase "You give chocolate to the kid" in German? I'm studying the dative case and I'm not sure I got it. I would say "Du gibt Schokolade den Kindern" but I think there's a preposition missing...

[willow socket]

you're on a good way, but there's a few problems

check the verb conjugation of 'geben'

and the word order in german would usually place the dative definite object before the akkusative definite object.

no preposition is necessary 🙂

[edgy lotus]

oh sorry, misspelled *gibst

[willow socket]

also, idk if you wanted to say 'the kids' or 'the kid'
den Kindern = the kids
dem Kind = the kid

[edgy lotus]

Thank you very much! Now it's clearer😊

[edgy lotus]

Yeah, I meant kid but still used the plural ahahahah

[minor creek]

hi! sorry if this is a stupid question, but is there any nouns that end in "-in" that are masculine?

[swift bough]

If you’re thinking about profession/occupation names, then no.

[minor creek]

ah, alles klar

danke!

[willow socket]

hello lovely helpers, stupid question:
Samstag morgen oder nachmittag (vor 17 Uhr) würde mir auch passen.

Does this sound bad? Is there a more elegant/natural way of saying it?
Perhaps 'Samstag bis 17 Uhr passt mir auch.' ?

[swift bough]

Not sure about the more elegant part but just as another option you can say „…ginge auch“

[long whale]

This is certainly what people say, so, it's fine. I'd say "Am Samstagmorgen oder -nachmittag (vor 17 Uhr) würde es mir auch passen" (my oldfashioned German brain is screaming for the "es", but I am aware people increasingly just drop it). :)

[outer nest]

@long whale Ich würde es nicht als altmodisch bezeichnen, wenn du nicht jede sprachliche Modeerscheinung kopieren möchtest. Sicher veralten in der Sprache auch gewisse Dinge aber dein vernünftiges und gutes Deutsch ist doch vielmehr zeitlos und sympathisch.

[jagged dock]

Hallo! Ich wusste das in der deutschen Grammatik “von” eine Dativ-Präposition ist. Ist der Passivsatz “Der Apfel wird von dem Sohn gegessen” richtig oder muss es “von den Sohn gegessen sein. In welchem Fall ist “Sohn”?

Ist es dem-Dativ und dann Dativobjekt?

[willow socket]

der Sohn (nom) --> dem Sohn (dativ)

[jagged dock]

Danke!!

[regal bloom]

Hallo, während ich passiv wiederholte , begegnete ich diesem Beispiel,das mir ein bisschen komisch vorkam , ist es richtig ?

Der Concierge half den Gästen nicht. =====>
Den Gästen wurde von dem Concierge nicht geholfen.
oder: Es wurde den Gästen von dem Concierge nicht geholfen.

[proven sphinx]

Das Erste, aber das Passiv eines Satzes mit einem Dativ zu bilden ist immer recht seltsam. Ich glaube nicht, dass du das machen musst.

[regal bloom]

bleibt immer 'wurde' auch wenn es im plural steht ?

[proven sphinx]

"wurde" bezieht sich hier auf den Concierge.

Wenn das Objekt im Aktivsatz im Plural steht, dann benutzt man natürlich auch "wurden" im Passivsatz.

Der Lehrer sah die Schüler. (Aktiv)
Die Schüler wurden vom Lehrer gesehen. (Passiv)

[fervent kernel]

Would this sound incorrect? "Der Gast wurde vom Concierge nicht geholfen"

[proven sphinx]

I'm pretty sure that's considered to be incorrect, yes.

[fervent kernel]

:/

[proven sphinx]

That's exactly why converting sentences with a dative into the passive tends to be a bad idea.

It creates a sentence that basically doesn't have a subject, which is very awkward.

But I guess something like "Dem Gast wird geholfen" is still correct.

[proven sphinx]

So to answer your question, it should be "Dem Gast wurde (vom Concierge) nicht geholfen."

The dative stays in the dative even in the passive.

[fervent kernel]

Right, yeah. It's a good thing it's not more common

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, it's a bit awkward.

[fallow ledge]

If it helps you can think of a it a bit like

Es wurde den Gästen nicht geholfen

But if you move den Gästen to before the verb, the es gets dropped

[fervent kernel]

Right. I get it. We can do something similar in my language

[fallow ledge]

@proven sphinx too

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I guess that makes sense.

[mossy sleet]

"man kann sich Kontoauszüge ausdrucken" does "sich" here mean that one can print themselves the bank statements?

[swift bough]

yep

keep in mind as well that some verbs are just reflexive, just because they are, it doesn't always follow English logic

such as something like "sich erinnern"

[mossy sleet]

thanks!

[spring socket]

Does the Ö in Österreich sound different to the ö in können or is it just me?

[willow socket]

in what sense do they sound different?

[spring socket]

The Ö in Österreich sounds like ooosterreich, but the ö in können sounds like koenen

[willow socket]

To me they sound almost identical. Potentially the ö sound in Österreich is a bit fuller because it's the first sound in the word, but maybe a native notices something

[terse violet]

@spring socket The "Ö" in Österreich is just spoken a bit longer.

[spring socket]

@willow socket @terse violet thank you. Is this a rule I should bear in mind, when a noun begins with Ö, I should pronounce it long like the Ö in Österreich, but when it's a word like Stößen or außergewöhnlich, I should pronounce it like the ö in können?

[terse violet]

Actually, I can't think of another word right now that also starts with "ö"

[willow socket]

öl

[terse violet]

Ah

Yeah, that's also spoken a bit longer

[willow socket]

I'm really curious to hear what it sounds like when you pronounce it. It doesn't really seem like the sort of rule you'd have to think about, as the sounds themselves are so, so close. Almost like your mouth would do it unintentionally just because there's no hard consonant sound right before it

[terse violet]

But you already good to go @spring socket, if you pronounce "Ö" like "Ö" and not like "O".

[terse violet]

Yeah, it's like that.

I sent u both a link with the right pronunciation

@willow socket @spring socket

[spring socket]

Haha I definitely don't say it like o (at least, I hope I don't!)

[spring socket]

Ich kann dir im Sprachkanal zeigen, wenn du willst

[spring socket]

Got it, thanks

[tall trail]

does the verb always go at the end of the sentence when there is a conjunction

[icy flax]

no, only when the conjunction is subordinate. They are apparently callrd subjunctions, btw.
https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/sentence-structure/dependent-clauses/conjunctions

[tall trail]

Thank you

[long whale]

That's interesting. Because as far as I know, long Ö (as in Öl, Österreich or Getöse) isn't just a long vowel, its quality is quite different from the short Ö as in können, rösten or Öffnung. :)

I mean, your mouth would be shaped differently. :)

It would have to take on the "kissy" shape for the long Ö, which isn't necessary for the short Ö.

[willow socket]

I know nothing about all of the pronunciation terms like long or short vowels. Just how it sounds to ears and I don't think about it when I talk either (my pronunciation is not perfect anyway, obviously). But to me the actual sound is practically the same. Just one is said faster and with less emphasis. I found this when looking up the difference between long and short ö (long on left, short on right)

[willow socket]

after playing them repeatedly right next to each other, maybe I can hear a tiny difference? But i couldn't describe it except to say that Österreich is pronounced from underneath and können is pronounce from above on the 'k.' Super technical knowledge 😉

[long whale]

Perhaps compare "österlich" (relating to Easter, long Ö) with "östlich" (eastern, as in western, short Ö)? If wikipedia's got both, I mean. Might be easier to hear since both Ös are at the beginning and followed by the same consonants. :)

[willow socket]

yeah, that does make it easier to hear at least.

[whole portal]

Is it really österlich?

Osterlich sounds more right to me but I don't think I've ever heard either

[proven sphinx]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/oesterlich
It is indeed "österlich".

[fringe pasture]

die österliche Zeit

yes

[proven sphinx]

The long Ö (IPA: /øː/, as in "Höhle") is the rounded version of /eː/ (as in "See"), whereas the short Ö (IPA: /œ/, as in "Hölle") is the rounded version of /ɛ/ (as in "Bett").

[whole portal]

Idk I aint gonna use that word anyways

[edgy lotus]

Hi guys, I have a question regarding question pronouns. Can somebody explain to me when do you use "wer?" "wen?" "wem?" ? Thx 😊

[near folio]

wer = Nominativ
Wer hat diese Nachricht geschrieben?
wen = Akkusativ
Wen hast du gesehen?
wem = Dativ
Mit wem hast du gesprochen?
wessen = Genitiv
Wessen Buch ist das?

oder meintest du was anderes?

[edgy lotus]

Yes, that's what I meant! Thank you very much 😊

can I use wem with other prepositions? Such as bei, zu or von?

[stiff goblet]

die kannst du beide bei "wem" verwenden Beispiel: "Zu wem gehst du?" oder "Von wem kommst du? ||man würde aber eher "woher kommst du" sagen||"

[edgy lotus]

thx✨

[fervent kernel]

Are nicht and noch the same?

[fringe pasture]

nicht = not
noch = still (in some cases it works like an intensifier, kind of. For example: "nicht erst morgen, sondern NOCH heute")

[fervent kernel]

Ohh thank u

[fervent kernel]

was bedeutet “erst morgen”

[raw shale]

It means, that whatever it relates to doesn't start/happen until tomorrow. For example you could say "Die Sonne scheint erst morgen" which roughly translates to "The sun won't shine until tomorrow" I don't think there's anything comparable to this usage case of "erst" in English.

[fervent kernel]

it sounds kind of like “first thing in the morning” in english

[fallow ledge]

Erst is like just/only

And its often used with time adverbs

Er ist erst jetzt 3 Jahre alt geworden
He only just turned three
Ich bin erst seit einer Stunde wach.
Ive only been awake for an hour

Its a bit of a particle, so it can be tricky

[fervent kernel]

thanks. i thought erst meant first

I dont understand your second sentence there

seit means are, in plural form right?

no im thinking of seid

seit means since

[icy flax]

I am just for one hour awake.

(Person woke up 1 hour ago and is stating how little person is awake "erst seit einer Stunde")

[fervent kernel]

danke

Ich mus Uhr 7 am aufwachen

*muss

[swift bough]

Ich muss um 7 Uhr aufstehen*

[light pecan]

Ja, richtig

Hallo leute,
Ich heiße Firdavsii
Ich bin 19 Jahre alt.
Ich komme aus Kirgisistan 🇰🇬.
Ich möchte gerne Praktikum zusammen euch machen.
Schreiben Sie mir Nachricht!

[fervent veldt]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "Sicht" und "Aussicht"?

[long whale]

Aussicht is the reason people climb towers and mountains (also: Aussicht auf Beförderung haben - to be able to expect promotion) Sicht is what's better or worse, according to the weather (mist, rain, snow, clouds) (also: seine Sicht der Dinge - the way he sees things, his view) Does that help?

[swift bough]

Yeah like for example you can say „aus meiner Sicht“ (from my point of view (on sth.))

[hazy zinc]

Jemand kann mir erklären wer ein "büezer" ist?

probably @proven sphinx can help me

[proven sphinx]

Wo hast du das denn gesehen?

[hazy zinc]

Blick

[proven sphinx]

Ein bisschen Kontext würde schon nicht schaden.

[hazy zinc]

Ich glaube, es ist ein schweizer Wort

wait

[hazy zinc]

https://www.blick.ch/ausland/nach-abriss-ausraster-an-neubau-jetzt-sammeln-bueezer-geld-fuer-den-bagger-amok-id16802961.html

[proven sphinx]

Der Lead sagt dir ja eigentlich schon, was Büezer bedeuten muss.

[hazy zinc]

so it can be translated as "workman"?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah.

[hazy zinc]

thank you

[proven sphinx]

Usually just called Arbeiter or Handwerker in Standard German.

[plush pelican]

So, überlegen is a verb that means "to consider". But apparently it can also be an adjective meaning 'superior' and an adverb meaning 'masterfully'?

You can nominalize adjectives, so could you then write something like, "Er hat der Überlegene überlegen überlegt." ?

He considered the superior masterfully?

"The Superior" being like a Platonic form or something like that, like, "the good" or "justice", an abstract concept

[delicate tiger]

"der Überlegene überlegt überlegen" if you want to combine all three

[plush pelican]

oh snap!

[fervent veldt]

How is "durchaus" used differently from "absolut"?

[icy flax]

"ganz ehrlich, wer will seine Bronche oder sein Stief nicht für hundert Euro im Griff hat, da weiß ich aber auch ned"
https://youtu.be/AY5e0VWkBhs?t=407
So, that's what I understood. It's grammatically wrong, so I must have heard it wrongly. I also don't get what she meant word-by-word, and would love if someone could double check.
They are discussing about a TV Show, in which no sexual relation goes free of charge. I think she means sth like "well, the one that cannot control its Pus-!@#$ or Co-!@#$ for 1k euros, ..." and then I get not what she means.

[willow socket]

do you think she could be saying 'seine Brosche und seinen Stift nicht bei hundert tausend Euro im Griff hat...'
is it like a sexual innuendo (use imagination) for two parts of a piece of jewellery that represent certain parts of the human body?

adjective, it is declined

don't forget to capitalise your nouns 🙏

[gleaming furnace]

"Kann ich Ihnen am Nachmittag dann vor dem Konzert etwas helfen?"
I translate it and it says "Can I help you a bit in the afternoon before the concert?"
So, what does 'dann' do in this sentence? Because I don't see 'then' in it.

[fallow ledge]

where did you find this sentence?

[long whale]

Perfect example of a superfluous modal particle. Here, it may imply the person had previously asked whether they could/should help the other person with the general organisation of the concert, and had gotten "no" as an answer. So, they're now asking "Then, can I help you in the afternoon..."

@gleaming furnace

[fallow ledge]

is the dann a typo?

a typo of denn, sorry the question wasnt particularly clear

[long whale]

Might be, but doesn't have to be. It's just spoken German, which is often peppered with these modal particles, whether necessary or not. 🤷

Yeah, I got that. :)

BTW, the position of the "dann" is pretty weird. @gleaming furnace I'd have expected it after "Ihnen". 🤷 I really think you can safely ignore it. :)

[gleaming furnace]

@long whale @fallow ledge This is the full version of it

By the way, thank you very much

[icy flax]

Yeaah, of course! But what are all the other words shes mumbling? I hear a "wer will" before that. And a "da weiß ich aber auch ned", with that dialectal nicht.

[long whale]

She's stuttering: "...wer-wer sei-seine Brosche...", that's all.

@icy flax

[willow socket]

Yeah she said wer twice to my ears

But it does sound almost exactly like “wer will” too 😂

[icy flax]

Could you also get us the little sentece after the "hat", @long whale ?

Is it "da weiß ich aber auch ned?"

[long whale]

Yup: da weiß i aber au ned (Schwäbisch).

[icy flax]

Thaaaanks!!

[fervent veldt]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "durchaus", "absolut" und "unbedingt"?

[karmic monolith]

Pretty sure they're just synonyms of one another. Even Duden says so

[fervent kernel]

what is the best way to learn words? so far ive just been puting them into google translate and then comminiting them to memory but that probably wont work in the long term.

[willow socket]

Anki

Or some other flashcard software

I think the best way to find new words is by reading or listening to German material

[fervent kernel]

ok

if i were to use the word test, as in trying something out, would i use Prüfung or testen

[willow socket]

Prüfung is a noun, testen is a verb. What do you mean trying something out?

Ausprobieren?

[proven sphinx]

It's "ausprobieren" or just "testen".

[fervent kernel]

thank you

[swift bough]

In any case, Prüfung is never a Verb, it’s only a noun, which means test, not „to test“.

[fervent kernel]

okay yeah, i thought that was true

[plush pelican]

Does "Ich bin frei" work in German when saying that you're free (timewise), like it does in English? I seem to recall some different way of formulating it, like, "Wann hast du Frei?" oder sowas.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, "freihaben" definitely sounds more idiomatic here. "frei sein" means more like being free of imprisonment or possessing freedom in general.

[plush pelican]

So to say that you're free (timewise), you say, "Ich habe frei" or "Ich habe am Freitag frei" or something?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich habe am Freitag frei" works, but it means that you have no obligations, like school or work

[plush pelican]

"Ich habe am Freitagabend frei"?

Also, what do you say if you have a specific time slot open? "Ich habe Zeit"?

[proven sphinx]

Scheiße.

Du hast recht.

Es sollte tatsächlich "Freitagabend" sein.

[plush pelican]

Der Student wird die Meisterin xD

[spring socket]

Der Kreis ist jetzt abgeschlossen. Einst war Argus der Lehrling, jetzt ist er der Meister

Ich hoff, dass diese Übersetzung des Zitats von Vader Sinn ergibt

[long whale]

I think it ought to be something like "Der Kreis hat sich geschlossen" :)

[spring socket]

That makes more sense compared to what I wrote, thanks!

[fervent kernel]

My German is horrible

[snow bone]

Das ist doch keine Frage

[fervent kernel]

whats the difference between Auf Wiedersehen and Wiedersehen on its own?

[willow socket]

Wiedersehen alone is just another way of saying goodbye, I think.
It is also a noun and a verb.

[fervent kernel]

okay, thank you

[fervent veldt]

Ist da ein Unterschied zwischen "möchten" und "würden gerne"?

[proven sphinx]

Man kann es als ein Kontinuum ansehen zwischen "wollen", "möchten" und "würde gerne". "wollen" ist schon fast unhöflich, "möchten" ist höflicher und "würde gerne" ist am höflichsten.

"Ich will bestellen" klingt in fast jeder Situation recht unhöflich, "Ich möchte bestellen" klingt normal und "Ich würde gerne bestellen" klingt recht höflich.

Lernende sollten wirklich mit dem Wort "wollen" im Deutschen aufpassen, denn es klingt viel stärker als z. B. "want" im Englischen. Es kann sogar als kindisch vorkommen, wenn man "wollen" in der falschen Situation verwendet.

[fervent kernel]

what sound does ö make?

[bold sapphire]

[œ] or [ø]

[fervent kernel]

thx

[hasty onyx]

Whats the difference with all the variations of "the"

[proven sphinx]

They vary according to gender and the case.

[swift oasis]

Diese Schule, wie du sagst, ist Zwietracht und die Leute mögen schreckliche Dinge wie vieles

Like Me

[proven sphinx]

What is your question here?

[swift oasis]

Umm Can I Post Pictures

AnyWhere

[proven sphinx]

Sure, as long as they're actually relevant...

[swift oasis]

Where THough

[proven sphinx]

It can be here if it's relevant to what exactly you're confused by.

[swift oasis]

But What It Isnt Tho

[proven sphinx]

Look, don't be a troll. What exactly is your question? You just posted that random sentence without any explanation whatsoever.

[swift oasis]

I Cant Post Pictures In Here THough

#882646192247427072 message

[proven sphinx]

That link doesn't work...

[fervent veldt]

Vielen Dank

[icy flax]

Im Westdeutschland reduzierte sich die Arbeitslosenzahl um rund 1,5 Millionen auf 1.723.000.

In anderer Worte weiß man nicht genau wie groß die Reduktion war, etwas zwischen 1,5 und 1,723 Mi, richtig? Ich fand diese Struktur "um X auf Y" komisch. Generell werden Schussbereiche mit "bis" angekündigt, nicht wahr?

[long sluice]

Is this right

[prime belfry]

What's the difference between "tun" and "machen"?

[delicate tiger]

Nein, die Zahl hat sich fast halbiert, vorher ca 3,2 Millionen, nachher 1,7

[icy flax]

supi, dann heißt es tatsächlich "um [how much went down] auf [how much it is now]", richtig?

auf Englisch wärs "it reduced in X reaching Y"

[willow socket]

by X to Y

[merry python]

The meanings are pretty similar, just like "to make" und "to do". But there is a little difference in use. Machen is more like a process of doing something, sometimes receiving a product in the end. E.g. "Ich mache Pizza" or "Ich mache Fotos". Tun is more general, just like to do. E.g. "Mein Kopf tut weh" or "X hat nichts mit Y zu tun". In these cases, you couldn’t use machen

[fervent kernel]

Früher, vor der Corona-Krise, ob wir noch normal lebten, reiste ich viel.

Is ob here correct?

[scenic drift]

i'm really struggling to interpret what you mean here by "ob"

do you mean it in the sense of "when"? you can't use ob like that

you need "als" there

"ob" means "if" or "whether"

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[hazy zinc]

Good afternoon, at the beginning of the following sentence can I omit the verb "sein", as I did?
"Wie in meiner Präsentation geschrieben, bin ich kein deutscher Muttersprachler, aber ich glaube, dass ich ein ausreichendes Niveau habe."

sounds a bit strange to me, but maybe that's right

[lilac hornet]

You haven't omitted "sein" at the start of the sentence tho

You mean after geschrieben?

[hazy zinc]

after "wie"

Wie ist in meiner Präsentation geschrieben

[lilac hornet]

I don't think that is a correct sentence 😦

I don't think you can't put a verb there, "Wie..." clauses are dependent clauses so the verb(s) go to the end

[hazy zinc]

oh yeah, I'm stupid

I meant after geschrieben

geschrieben ist

[lilac hornet]

I don't think it is wrong

As for whether it sounds better or not, I think you'll have to wait for an orange person 🙂

[hazy zinc]

tysm

[rustic fern]

Hi! That's grammatically correct, so there's no problem with that.

[hazy zinc]

thank you! ^^

[scarlet storm]

Hii
Does this sentence makes sense ?

[proven sphinx]

It's technically correct, but it sounds a bit odd.

"Es ist essentiell, sich mit diesem Thema auseinanderzusetzen, denn die Weltbevölkerung nimmt rasch zu, wodurch der Verkehr ebenfalls zunimmt."

That's how I'd phrase it.

The way you phrased it is a bit more complicated than it needs to be.

[scarlet storm]

Ohh I thought if i'll use more complicated structure, i'll probably get better marks

[scarlet storm]

Thankss👍

[proven sphinx]

I know what you mean, but in this case it just sounds too weird. Don't use complex structures when you don't need to. It may just make things harder to read and understand.

[scarlet storm]

Ohkk got it, thankss

[proven sphinx]

Like, "Bevölkerung der Welt" may be longer than "Weltbevölkerung" and it uses more complex grammar, but the thing is that practically no one says that when they can just say "Weltbevölkerung" instead.

[scarlet storm]

yupp that's true

[fallen stratus]

teil ist der, die oder das?

[delicate tiger]

der oder das, hängt von der Bedeutung ab, https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/Teil

[fervent veldt]

Which one is correct?
"Er hat sich meine Meinung angehört" oder "Er hat ihm meine Meinung angehört"?

[long whale]

Only the 1st one's correct.

[steep geyser]

Can anybody explains me when to use

Deine, dich, deinen, dich, dier

Eine, einen

Meine, meinen

Mich, mir

[swift bough]

You have to learn the accusative and dative case in order to understand why things change the way they do.

Genitive too, but you didn't list anything genitive there, so.

It only concerns the dative and accusative anyway for what you listed

Also a bit of nominative

[vocal ruin]

I could give it my best shot.

As das Bundesverkerhsministerium said, which pronoun and article you use depends on what grammatical case the relevant noun is in. That probably sounds like a bunch of jargon, and it is to some extent, but as you learn German further you will get an intuitive feel for all of this stuff.

There are four cases in German. The Nominative case, the Accusative case, the Dative case, and the Genetive case.

The person/thing doing the verb in a sentence is in the nominative case.

The person/thing being directly affected / that is the direct object of a verb is in the accusative case.

The person/thing that is the indirect object of a verb is in the dative case.

The genetive case is used to show possession.

Also, it's not only verbs that affect the case of nouns. Prepositions do too. That's another can of worms that I won't explain here, but you will be sure to find lots of help online. Also, there are some 'exceptions' to these rules. Well, some things that at least seem like exceptions to an English speaker. For example, the verb helfen (to help) puts the person/thing being helped in the dative case even though it may seem that the person/thing being helped would be the direct object.

Anyway, a short and commonly used example of cases is a sentence that uses geben (to give).

Example: Ich gebe dir einen Apfel.

Let's break it down.

Ich - Nominative case. Ich (I) is the one doing the giving.
dir - Dative case. Kind of like "to you".
einen Apfel - Accusative case. It (the apple) is the thing being given.

Okay, that's probably a decent amount to digest, but there's more! Depending on a noun's grammatical gender, the specific form of the pronoun/article will be different even if it's in the same case.

• I don't have nitro so I couldn't write a longer message, but essentially, you'll get a feel for it with more exposure. It seems daunting at first, but it gets easier. Like everything I suppose.

[stuck spire]

Ich habe eine Frage bitte.

Wenn ich „schwarzfahren“ benutze, und ich mochte sagen, dass ich das in einem Bus oder einem Zug getan habe, wie soll ich es sagen?

Ich fahre in einem / einen Bus schwarz?

[long whale]

You're right, it is slightly awkward: Ich fahre schwarz Bus (or: mit dem Bus). The question wouldn't really arise, though, would it, since you wouldn't loudly proclaim it if you hadn't got a ticket. It's either "Ich bin schwarz Bus gefahren" or "Wenn ich Bus fahre, dann immer schwarz"

In collocations/fixed expressions, means of transport don't get an article in German, unlike English. :)

If you say "einen Bus fahren", it means you're driving it, not sitting in it as a passenger.

[stuck spire]

Vielen vielen Dank @long whale ! Das ergibt Sinn.

[fervent veldt]

Alright, explain why "Vorteil" takes a different article than "Gegenteil" while both have the same ending??? 😠

[scenic drift]

der Vorteil / der Nachteil have the same gender 😉

Teil can be der or das depending on the usage: https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Teil

[fervent veldt]

So can they be used interchangeably?

[scenic drift]

they're two words with different meanings?

i don't knwo what part of my message made you think they're intercheangeable i mention them together because they're opposites of each other w/ the same gender

[fervent veldt]

I mean der Teil und das Teil.

[lone ocean]

Die Folgende Nachricht stammt aus.... vom.....
Was schreibe ich in den Lücken?

[scenic drift]

https://angelikasgerman.co.uk/help-i-dont-know-when-to-use-der-teil-or-das-teil/

[scenic drift]

i suspect we need more context here

[lone ocean]

I only wanna know wat should i write after the aus and vom

Like after vom i have to write a person right?

But aus idk wat i should write

[scenic drift]

"aus" would probably be the kind of source

dem Internet / der Zeitung / etc

[lone ocean]

And like vom here says its about someone right?

[steel patrol]

Hallö hallo. 👋 How would you say "How dare you?!" as a response expressing shock (whether playfully or not); for example if someone's insulted you or accused you of telling a white lie? The translator says "Wie kannst du es wagen?", but I have a feeling that this may not be the best line for what I'm looking for - and otherwise it just doesn't sound punchy enough to me. 😆 Is there another version?:)

[scenic drift]

i'd think "vom" would be a specific date

because it's von + dem i'm not sure you can use that to refer to a person

[lone ocean]

Oh ok thanks for the help

[scenic drift]

Was fällt dir ein!

[steel patrol]

Great, thanks! 🙂 Is there a difference between the two (like, depending on context, for example), or are they the same thing but the expression you've given is just more common, etc.?

[scenic drift]

native would be best to ask here i think.
to me "Was fällt dir ein" would be the idiomatic kinda thing you'd respond to someone with in a common situation (someone's being an ass to you),
while "Wie kannst du es wagen" would be a bit more formal (like greta saying that to politicians)

[steel patrol]

Ok, brilliant, this makes enough sense to me! Vielen Dank

[chrome wraith]

Ich habe eine Zweifel.

[faint dew]

yes, but when speaking formal you'd say "wie können SIE es wagen"

[scenic drift]

well, yes, that too 😆 was sticking to du-form for easier comparisons

[steel patrol]

Thanks for your input! 🙂

[worthy sky]

i saw this on an article

Liebe ist das Geschenk Gottes

Gottes is genitiv here right? if that's the case erm.... im confused on the word order

[proven sphinx]

Gottes = von Gott

[scenic drift]

Folks, does anyone know a German<-> English dictionary which has good coverage of medical terms?

[delicate tiger]

language switch wikipedia?

[sudden cloud]

Is this sentence: Ich kann nicht leben ohne dich as correct as: Ich kann ohne dich nicht leben. I was wondering which was correct, since leben has to be last right?

[scenic drift]

is what i'm referring to right now, but it's proving very difficult

e.g. "die Noxe" doesn't seem to have a direct translation ("harmful substance"?)

[long whale]

This one used to be the authority. I guess they switched to an online version after that: https://www.amazon.de/Medizinisches-Wörterbuch-Medical-Dictionary-Deutsch-Englisch/dp/3131004916

[scenic drift]

ah, oh boy i will get that if absolutely needed

(context: friend needs a rough translation of a hospital discharge letter into english, i'm trying to be very careful about it)

[long whale]

Yes, "leben" ought to be in the last spot. If you were writing a poem or a song (or were otherwise feeling poetic), the first one would be fine. :)

[scenic drift]

for insurance purposes, not medical purposes, if it were medical i'd be making him pay a translator

[hazy zinc]

maybe Reverso?

[long whale]

"toxic substance", isn't there something like "Toxin" in English? 🤔

[hazy zinc]

it is "noxa"

[scenic drift]

yes, but i'm not sure i'd use "Toxin" to describe drug/alcohol/tobacco consumption?

[scenic drift]

will check this out, thank you!

[long whale]

True enough.

[hazy zinc]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/medical/noxa#:~:text=%3A something that exerts a harmful effect on the body

[odd trench]

i want some germany lessons

[willow socket]

noxious = harmful in english. Noxious fumes, noxious chemicals, noxious liquids....noxious substances overall 😄

[scenic drift]

yes, but i felt "noxious" didn't fit 😆

'cause it was alcohol/drug/smoking context

[willow socket]

substance abuse lmfao

yeah if someone said noxious substance my mind wouldn't go to vodka or marlboros, good call

[scenic drift]

doesn't work either 😭

[icy flax]

Hey! I am trying to find one of those maps for German variations regarding the -ig becoming "ick" "ich" and "isch", but I can't find a reference. Would anyone have any material on that? I searched for ,,nachsilbe -ig aussprache", but found nothing still

[scenic drift]

you mean this? https://www.atlas-alltagssprache.de/runde-1/f14a-c/

if you search "-ig" on google it removes all results with "ig" :P

[elfin willow]

theres this

[scenic drift]

3rd pic in the link i posted 😉

[elfin willow]

oop!

[proven sphinx]

Swiss people do actually often pronounce it as "zwanzich" when speaking Standard German, though never in the dialect itself.

[willow socket]

how do swiss people pronounce it in swiss german?

[icy flax]

bruder was?! wa-rum haha

Thanks, @scenic drift
I also found this: https://gfds.de/ig/#

[proven sphinx]

"zwanzig" would be "zwänzg" in Swiss German.

[scenic drift]

it's the operator to exclude items from a search "foo -bar" gives you everything for foo that doesn't include "bar"

so i suspect your search would work with "nachsilbe ig aussprache"

[icy flax]

they are saying this -ig thing is usually als "-ich" in Hochdeutsch ausgesprochen, but then again there are words where apparently the standard would be to strongen the ig to ik
lediglich, ewiglich, königlich, Königreich
, which I actually doubt

[proven sphinx]

Yep, the -ig in those words is never pronounced as "-ich".

"ledich-lich" or "Könich-reich" would sound incredibly odd...

[swift bough]

I’ve heard kriegen pronounced with ch before which I always found weird as well

Or at least „gekriecht“

[proven sphinx]

It's dialectal, for sure.

I think it's especially common in the Rhineland.

[delicate tiger]

it's between a ch and a j

[icy flax]

hi, i'm odd
just learned it now for the very first time, what about in construction with -keit? Fertigkeit spricht man mit k-keit aus?

[proven sphinx]

No, it's really only those words you listed. Everything else is pronounced as "ich".

[ancient kernel]

"Wenn es mehrmals vorkommt, versuche alles zu deiner Verfügung dich davon zu trennen."
Ist es "versuch alles" oder "versuche alles"
Und warum würde die Antwort dazu richtig sein?

[fallow ledge]

@fervent kernel im moving your questions here

What is exactly your question

[scenic drift]

what do you think it means? ahve you had a go at translating it yourself?

[brave lynx]

ich habe vergessen, dass das Verb 'fernsehen' trennbar ist

[outer nest]

@icy flax Im Wortinneren vor einem Vokal wird 'ig' als 'ig' ausgesprochen und wenn auf 'ig' die Ableitungssilbe '-lich' folgt wird es als 'ik' ausgesprochen. Ebenso im Wort Königreich, bleibt es interessanterweise erhalten, was allerdings eine Ausnahme ist. Das stimmt soweit.

Wenn im Wortinneren jedoch ein Konsonant folgt, wird 'ig' sehr wohl weiterhin als 'ich' ausgesprochen.
Beispiele wären hier: am wichtigsten oder zwanzigjährig

[long whale]

In 2nd person imperative, the -e is optional: Versuche alles! and Versuch alles! are both correct. The sentence is missing a gerund, though, and I don't quite understand your question about the answer. :)

[icy flax]

Jo, danke, das ist, was im geposteten Link steht, glaub ich. Beim Lesen fremdsprachlicher Bücher lese ich immer mal vor und gestern war es todesschwer, "lediKlich" auszusprechen. Es wird noch eine lange Weile dauern bis mich die Aussprache anzugewöhnen... 🥲

[worthy sky]

is "denk dir was?" Umgangssprachlich?

can i write it in essays?

[long whale]

I don't even know what it means. 🤷

[nocturne rampart]

are you thinking of something?

[long whale]

Well, it's not a question, it's an imperative.

[An] Was denkst du? = What are you thinking [of]?

[nocturne rampart]

ja stimmt, ein bisschen verwirrend

Ich denke, der Sprecher meinte etwas wie ''weißt du was?''

[worthy sky]

oh... from what i watched it sorta meant "guess what?" how else can i say that?

[long whale]

Rate mal (Guess [what]), Rate mal, was passiert ist (Guess what's happened); Stell dir vor [was passiert ist] (Imagine/Guess [what's happened]) are all possible. Mind you, I'm not saying this "Denk dir was" doesn't exist, it's just that I've never heard it. :)

[proper sparrow]

"Denk dir was," sagt man glaube ich nicht mehr im deutschen. Ich würde sagen: "Überleg/-e dir was."

[worthy sky]

thanks you two. i tried checking a teen german server and saw none of that so I'll delete that from my mind

i have another wort to ask about.

gewiss. it's said to be used with the genitiv case but when i google i dont find a lot of information about it...

Ich bin Meiner Meinung gewiß

is this correct? if so what word form is gewiß even...

[proper sparrow]

gewiss ist auch ein ziemlich altertümliches Wort. Ich denke heutzutage würde das fast niemand mehr sagen.

[delicate tiger]

*meiner; *gewiss

Duden doesn't categorises it as veraltet/gehoben, but IMO it should be.

[worthy sky]

ah so no one uses it

alright then 🤣

[proper sparrow]

gehoben?

[delicate tiger]

elevated language - gehobene Sprache

[proper sparrow]

den Begriff kannt ich noch nicht

[whole portal]

What no

[proper sparrow]

?

[whole portal]

It's gotten less common but it's not dated

[proper sparrow]

ja, ich meine richtig alte Leute sagen soetwas bestimmt noch.

Graf: Ist mein Essen auf Gift überprüft worden?
Diener: Gewiss mein Herr.

[fervent kernel]

F4 WIE VIELE UHR IST ES? (OFFIZIELL) (3)

1. 13.10
   ES IST 10 UHR 13

ES IST 13 UHR 10

ES IST 13 UND 10

[snow kiln]

I mean... even at Uni some ppl can say it. Doesn't need to be just elderly. Depends on context as well sometimes.

[snow kiln]

Es ist 13 Uhr 10.

First one: 10.13
Third one: it is missing the Einheit. So 13 and 10 could be numbers, € or whatever - or I am not aware of an dialect who uses it 😂

[fervent veldt]

Why does "dunkel" turn into "dunkle" while being used as an adjactive?
For instance, "dunkle Schokolade"

[nocturne rampart]

so it can be pronounceable

[fervent veldt]

Is it a special case? Dunkele sounds normal. 🤔

[nocturne rampart]

really?

its like that in the case of el

[snow kiln]

Dunkele is super weird XD
Der Himmel ist dunkel.
Die dunkle Schokolade.
Der dunkle Ofen..
Hmm.. prob to say it better.

[hazy zinc]

this also happens with "heikle" and "heikel"

[ancient kernel]

The question about my answer was; "why is the answer what it is, what are the grammar rules behind it," but u seemed to have cleared that up a bit, thanks.

[fallow ledge]

Mir fällt ein gar nicht veraltetes Beispiel ein: Leute in gewissen Kreisen reden über solche Sachen

Oder
Kennst du diesen gewissen jemanden, den trolls häufig erwähnen

[snow kiln]

Oh! Das sind gute Beispiele!! :3

[icy flax]

@proper sparrow, there are at least three usages for "gewiss".

Firstly, you asked about the one with Genitiv "eines Dings gewiss sein" (to be certain of sth). I don't think it is dated at all, judging I searched from gewiss and found the three first newspaper articles using exactly this construction.

Secondly, you mentioned the usage as adverb "Gewiss, mein Herr". This one just means "ja" and I only rarely got in contact with it. I never heard a person saying this one, but apparently a 65 yo taunt of a friend says it quite often. 😐

The third usage for gewiss is barely a synonym to bestimmt as in Grüwüs' sentence "kennst du diesen gewissen jmdn?", meaning sth along the lines "do you know a certain someone?".

Good ref to always refer to: https://www.dwds.de/wb/gewiss

[fallow ledge]

A better translation for my sentence would be: do you know a certain someone

[icy flax]

Thx! So I can fix there, a/this certain someone, Grüwü?
(weil da den Demonstrativ ,,diesen" steht)

[fallow ledge]

It has to be „a“ for english

Not sure about german i didnt think that long about it

[icy flax]

Fixed! Do you know why?

[fallow ledge]

Ein probably works too

[icy flax]

this certain someone

[fallow ledge]

Hmm not sure cause the certain is like a particular person but its really vauge and the a makes it vauger, got no clue sorry

[icy flax]

Were to b annoyed by someone, but this person has 0 awareness. I come and ask "how you doing, Grüwu?".
Grüwü: "I would be doing fine, were not for this certain someone (slowly lookin the person), who doesnt STFU!!!".

[swift bough]

were it not* is how you say that

[fallow ledge]

Sure thats fine. I got know clue about english so ill tap out

[icy flax]

Mhh.. Okay! Well, thank you boooth! I'm off to bed! Tschau, @swift bough and @fallow ledge !

[swift bough]

Cya

[devout dust]

Hey guys. Quick question. Does Duolingo work for learning German? Or do you need other sources too?

[fallow ledge]

You 100% need other sources

Theres an faq on this too

faq duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[fallow ledge]

I find this a little harsh, feel free to use it but pair it with other stuff too

[devout dust]

Oh thanks. I joined yesterday so I haven't explored the server much. Can you tell me exactly how to start learning German though? Like what basics should I focus on

[fallow ledge]

Like a podcast series (Radio D von Deutsche Welle) and a flash card app for vocab (memrise or Anki) and some speaking pracice

[fallow ledge]

Try >faq beginner in #botchannel

[devout dust]

Thank you so much.

[brave lynx]

don't get deterred easily, it can difficult starting out, but literally everyone of us has bern where you are now

i hope you have fun with it!

[fervent kernel]

its easy after you go thru the material stuff again and again

also some courses are available on yt udemy and other platforms

[feral jewel]

hello guys, I have a question for Austrians specifically, if there are any here

it's more history-related, not exactly a linguistics question

[wintry geode]

?

[limpid torrent]

I'm trying to say "I listen to music on my smartphone", will it be "Ich höre mit mein Smartphone Musik" or "Ich höre Musik mit mein Smartphone"? Or are both wrong..?

[feral jewel]

hey @wintry geode ! I moved the question to sensitive-topics, if you're still free

[devout dust]

I'll check them out. Thanks :)

[high robin]

Hallo alle. Könnten Sie mir sagen, was der Unterschied zwischen "seit dem", "seitdem" und "seit" ist? Danke

[fervent kernel]

okayyy :)))

[proper sparrow]

Seit dem ich das gehört habe mag ich es nicht. Seit ich Deutscher bin...

Aber ka was der Unterschied zwischen seit dem und seitdem ist

[willow socket]

soweit ich weiß:
seitdem und seit können beide als Konjunktionen benutzt werden.
Seit ich das erfahren habe, geht's mir schlecht.
Seitdem meine Mutter gestorben ist, bin ich traurig.

Seit kann auch als Präposition benutzt werden.
Seit dem Tod meiner Mutter bin ich traurig.

'seit dem' existiert nur als Teil eines Präposition+Nomen Paars and steht nicht alleine.

[swift bough]

This ^

Noch eine Verwendung: „Meine Mutter ist vor einem Jahr verstorben, und seitdem bin ich traurig“

Diese Verwendung bedeutet halt „since then“.

[high robin]

Ok, Ich habe's. Vielen Dank

[high robin]

Danke

[high robin]

Danke

[spice turret]

how do u say dog

in german

[dry patio]

Hund

[compact flicker]

How do I say "i was wrong" in german?

[willow socket]

zum Beispiel: ich habe mich geirrt.

falschliegen is another way of saying wrong that I've heard before. Never heard it used in the past tense. In theory:
Ich habe falschgelegen.

[fervent kernel]

One also can say: "Ich lag falsch"

[acoustic summit]

halpppp mEmeme

when to use each?

[delicate tiger]

">faq duzen vs. siezen" in #botchannel

[acoustic summit]

danke

[spice turret]

how do i say hello in germa

german?

[karmic monolith]

hallo

Moin

Servus

[spice turret]

moin?

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/hello

[spice turret]

how do i say thanks

??

[delicate tiger]

https://dict.leo.org/englisch-deutsch/thanks

[karmic monolith]

Bro just download duolingo at this point

[spice turret]

no

[karmic monolith]

Why?

[broken coral]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen „festigen„ und „verfestigen“?

[whole portal]

@broken coral Beton, Gips oder Epoxy verfestigt sich. Eine Freundschaft oder Diplomatische Beziehungen festigen sich.

[broken coral]

Heißt das, dass „festigen“ eher eine übertragene Version von „verfestigen“ ist?

[whole portal]

Das könnte man irgendwie so sagen, ja.

[broken coral]

Danke! Und noch etwas zudem: Ich habe in einem Buch gelesen „Der Eindruck verfestigte sich bei Angela, dass nichts Gehaltvolles mehr kommen würde.“

So scheint es mir, dass „verfestigen“ sich selbst im wahrsten und im übertragenen Sinne bedeutet, und von dem, was du geschrieben hast, bedeute „festigen“ das auch aber eher im übertragenen Sinne.

[whole portal]

festigen ist halt eher bei Beziehungen

Alles andere verfestigt sich

[broken coral]

Dankeschön!

[tacit halo]

materiell kann es auch härten heißen

[broken coral]

Ach so, danke!

[fervent kernel]

How can I say the sounds /x/ and /ʁ/ without mixing them up? I can already pronounce /ʁ/, but I’m not sure how to pronounce /x/?

(Examples in case you may not know IPA symbols:
German:
Rost (Standard Pronounciation) (Rust) (for ʁ)
Buch (Book) (for x)
)

Thanks in advance!

[tacit halo]

[ʁ] is with voice and [x] is without voice

[spring socket]

Is there some kind of a difference between jdm einfallen and jdm auffallen?

[whole portal]

Yes

A giant one

@spring socket

Auffallen means they notice you
Einfallen means they already know you but they pop up in their mind

Like

Ich brauche jemanden, der das Projekt leiten kann, und da bist du mir eingefallen.

[spring socket]

I need someone to lead the project and you came to mind

do you have an example with auffallen?

Thanks by the way, Yoshi

[whole portal]

Du bist mir wegen deiner selbstbewussten Ausstrahlung aufgefallen.

[spring socket]

Thanks!

[hollow vapor]

'Alle meine Nächte und Träume handeln letztlich von dir'

If it is about a love letter, this would be correct if I want to say 'All my nights and dreams are about you'?

I used here the verb 'von etwas handeln'.

Btw is 'letztlich' there used properly?

[fallen galleon]

wie romantisch

aw

[hollow vapor]

xDD

[long whale]

Sentence is correct. Depends on what you want to say when you use "letztlich"- it means as much as "in the end" or "when all is said and done". Also possible: In all meinen Nächten und Träumen geht es um dich. ;)

[tawny prairie]

was meinst du, wenn du „ubertrage” sagst?

was ist ein ubertragene Sinne?

[whole portal]

Not literally

metaphorically

[fervent kernel]

Meinst du dass “uebertragen” auf Englisch “not literally” bedeutet?

[whole portal]

At least in that context yes