questions-2

[fallow ledge]

Keine Ursache

Übrigens es wäre eher „die protestierten Menschen“

Was mir komisch vorkommt aber egal, hier geht es sowieso nur um Üben

[wanton zodiac]

Aber wenn ich das zweite Beispiel von meinem Lehrer lese, was sie gerade erklärt haben stimmt nicht

Die beiden sind gleichzeitig

Aber man benutzt noch Partizip 2

[fallow ledge]

das ist Passiv glaube ich, das bildet man mit dem Partizip 2

das erste Beispiel zumindest

und im Zweiten stimmt es noch finde ich. Erst flüsterten die Zuhörer ununterbrochen, dann ärgerte ich mich

zugegebenermaßen, als sie noch flüsterten.

aber die haben wohl angefangen zu flüstern, bevor ich mich ärgerte

@wanton zodiac

[wanton zodiac]

Also mit dem Beispiel mit "protestieren", kann ich dann den Relativsatz in Gegenwart bilden?

[fallow ledge]

hmm das würde implizieren, dass sie heute noch gegen Atomtests protestieren würden, nachdem sie Greenpeace gegründet haben

meiner Meinung nach. Aber ich muss auch erwähnen, dass ich kein Muttersprachler bin und daher kann ich leicht einfach falsch liegen

[fallow ledge]

könnte auch bedeuten, diejenigen, die heute gegen die Atomtests protestieren, waren auch diejenigen, die in der Vergangenheit Greenpeace gegründet haben

[fierce idol]

die 'protestiert habenden' würd ich eher sagen

was auch nicht gerade gewöhnlich ist, aber dennoch :P

[glossy marsh]

That would suggest the people are being protested against.

... die *protestierenden Menschen.

[slim yew]

is it very impolite to use fressen on a human

[wise pendant]

yes

[slim yew]

ok

[fallow ledge]

Achso ja das kann ich jetzt sehen

[short cove]

can anyone translate this for me please?
"Hundertwasser, Beethoven, Nationalsozialismus, Musikgeschichte im deutschsprachigen Raum, Kunst im deutschsprachigen Raum, Gabriele Münter, die Geschichte Berlins, Märchen and of course a classic: Goethe!"

@ me when you can

[willow socket]

Hundertwasser, Beethoven, National Socialism, music history in german-speaking areas, art in german-speaking areas, Gabriele Münter, the history of Berlin, fairy tales, and of course a classic: Goethe!
@short cove
in the future just go to deepl.com

[short cove]

what is hundertwasser and goethe?

also thankyou

[willow socket]

those are names of a famous artist and a famous author respectively.

[short cove]

oooooh right

okay!

again, vielen dank!

[willow socket]

sadly couldn't think of a good translation for 'deutschprachiger Raum'. It would be like the german version of the anglosphere. The Deutschosphere

[jade tartan]

Wie schwierig ist die AP-Deutsch-Prüfung (aus Amerika)? Welches Niveau braucht man dafür?

[night dagger]

ist es nicht B1-B2 oder?

ich hab es nicht gemacht aber das hab ich gelesen

[slim yew]

how about as level

[night dagger]

?

[slim yew]

https://www.cambridgeinternational.org/programmes-and-qualifications/cambridge-international-as-and-a-level-german-language-as-level-only-8683/

[night dagger]

no clue

[scenic drift]

A-Level is around B1-B2 depending on how well you do, AS-Level is around A2-B1.

[fathom roost]

Meine Dozentin hat mir für meine Präsentation mehrere Scans geschickt.
Sie hat gesagt es tut ihr Leid, dass die Abbildungen sich nicht besser Scannen lassen.
Wie kann ich sagen‚‘Vielen Dank für die Scans… alles ist in Ordnung, ich komme schon klar …?‘ aber halt, ja, wie das man zu einer Dozentin sagen würde? 😂

[long whale]

Sie (die Scans) sind durchaus in Ordnung OR sind durchaus verwertbar, und ich komme damit zurecht. :)

[minor obsidian]

Hello, why does the words get swapped in this sentence?

I know they get swapped sometimes, but is there a definite reason as to why and when to swap them?

[willow socket]

It may have marked it wrong because you spelled 'zweiten' 'zweite.'
The choice to move the time adverbial to the front is optional, but it is done very frequently and in many cases sounds more natural.

[minor obsidian]

Ah, that could be the reason

But for the other thing, should we switch only for time adverbs or can we do it with other adverbs too?

[willow socket]

you can put almost anything in position 1 as long as the verb stays in position 2. It is more commonly done with time than with some other things, but it really depends on what you want to emphasize! 🙂

[minor obsidian]

Thats really neat

Vielen dank

[sage quiver]

I think this grammatical thing kinda tripped me up. I can kinda understand that it means "over the course of time, gratitude has become more than..." but I'm not sure about the function of the "aus." also, is "X Y'd more than Z" a valid interpretation of "X sein/haben mehr (Y-partizip) als Z"?

Aber im Laufe der Zeit ist aus Dankbarkeit mehr geworden als...

[long whale]

The "aus" is vital: X turns into Y -> aus X wird Y

Therefore: over time, gratitude has turned into more than...

@sage quiver

[sage quiver]

right, I see, thanks!

[fervent kernel]

I am not in touch with the language for more than a year and a half and I am stuck in b2 hören und lesen Module. I want to restart and learn the language again. I need advice what should I do at this point I feel like I don't know the language. Kindly advise on this.pray

[plain umbra]

That kind of situation is a bit tricky. It's mostly up to your personal preference. Usually what I recommend to people in that situation is to get a list of the topics for each level (A1, A2, B1, etc.) and use it as a checklist. Go through and check all the things you feel confident about and review the things you don't.

Also maybe try doing some Level A Hören und Lesen and see if you find it easier.

[fervent kernel]

Sure thanks for your advice 👍🏻

[latent wadi]

umgehend vs unmittelbar

[night dagger]

hm, ich glaub, es ist so was wie promptly vs direct

ich hab es umgehend gesendet
vs
er ist mein unmittelbarer verwandter

@latent wadi ^

[latent wadi]

unvermittelt

[fallow ledge]

Surprisingly and suddenly

[night dagger]

oder abruptly

@latent wadi um ehrlich zu sein, ein Wörterbuch ist immer besser für diese Art von Frage

aber das ist nur meine Meinung 👀

[latent wadi]

Jao mag sein dass du recht hast

[night dagger]

warum sagst du immer „jao“? @latent wadi eigentlich hab ich keine Ahnung was das bedeutet. ich vermute so was wie „alles klar“?

[glossy marsh]

Joa means yeah. It's either a typo or intentional, though the meaning stays the same.

[night dagger]

stimmt, aber warum immer „jao“ lol 👀

[summer crystal]

What does "SEK" means? Saw in a news article. I think the term is related to the police?

Nevermind, found it. :)

[sly ferry]

Sonder/Spezialeinsatzkommando

[summer crystal]

Yeah, danke! xD

[scenic drift]

Or swedish crowns? ;)

[summer crystal]

Could also be x)

[hollow vapor]

Wie könnt ihr dieser Satz übersetzen?

Musik zum Sterben?

[slim yew]

what is the difference

[night dagger]

hinten = in the back/in the rear. hinter = behind

[vital fern]

Dumb question

but uh

Danke = Thanks
Danke schön = Thank you
?

Informal v Formal?

[night dagger]

nah

i would considering thinking of it as "thanks" vs "thank you very much!"

[vital fern]

Just more 'intense'?

[night dagger]

yeah

more emphasis

[vital fern]

Like thanks 99% of the time

[night dagger]

more gratitude maybe

[vital fern]

Gotchaaaa

New pair of socks? "Danke!"

New car? "Danke schön!!"

[night dagger]

lol

[vital fern]

Thanksu

[night dagger]

yeah or "vielen Dank"

[vital fern]

vielen?

[night dagger]

(many)

[vital fern]

Ahhh

[night dagger]

in any case, people will understand you if you express gratitude with any of those :)

[vital fern]

Danke is the most common (and easiest to say) though right?

[night dagger]

all are quite popular

cant go wrong with any of them tbh

[swift bough]

„vielen Dank“ always feels the strongest though, in case anyone hasn’t mentioned that

[night dagger]

yeah

[vital fern]

Gotcha gotcha

[night dagger]

also probably used quite a bit for slightly more formal situations

[vital fern]

Danke -> Danke schön -> vielen Dank

[wise pendant]

-> Vielen lieben Dank -> allerherzlichsten Dank

[night dagger]

ahh

ich habs vergessen

Herzlichen Dank auch

[latent wadi]

jao

[cloud fulcrum]

can someone explain what this metaphor means:

"Das Spiel mit den Trümpfen, die keine sind"

i believe it was written by Golo Mann in one of his essays

willy brandt referred to this metaphor when talking about the mauer in a 1971 speech, but i have no clue as to what it means

this the part of the speech that refers to it

"Es gab noch einen anderen Aspekt, den der verbal überspielten Ohnmacht. Die
Berufung auf Rechtspositionen, die sich nicht verwirklichen ließen. Das Planen
von Gegenmaßnahmen für jeweils andere Situationen als die, mit denen man es
zu tun hatte. In kritischen Lagen war man auf sich selbst gestellt; die Verbalisten
hatten einem nichts zu bieten.

Leidenschaftliche Proteste waren berechtigt, auch notwendig, aber sie änderten
nichts an der Lage. Die Mauer blieb; man mußte mit ihr leben, und ich habe
Polizei aufbieten müssen, damit junge Demonstranten nicht in ihr Unglück rann-
ten. Die Behinderungen auf den Zufahrtswegen nach Berlin blieben. Der Graben,
der Deutschland trennte, von Lübeck bis zu tschechoslowakischen Grenze, blieb
und wurde tiefer. Das Spiel mit den Trümpfen, die keine sind, wie Golo Mann
formuliert hat, änderte nichts. Man mußte die politischen Möglichkeiten neu
durchdenken, wenn man für die Menschen etwas erreichen und den Frieden
sicherer machen wollte."

it possibly be something related to a card game but i have no knowledge of that :/

[long whale]

Literally: Playing trump [cards] which aren't any [real trump cards] It basically means saying "I'm right, you're wrong" is no use (even if, in fact, you are right), once the other side is pointing a gun at you, for example. In this particular case, insisting that the wall dividing Berlin and the closed border between the 2 Germanys was against every law, and that Germany was still one country (which the hardliners kept insisting on) simply wasn't any use in view of the guns trained on the border from the East, is what Willy Brandt was saying. Does that help? :)

[cloud fulcrum]

oh yes

that helps out a lot

thank you

[long whale]

Yes. Usually, playing the trump card means you win - if not the whole game, then at least part of it. :)

[cloud fulcrum]

oh

i see

thank you 🙏

[glossy marsh]

One channel is enough.

[cloud fulcrum]

?

for asking a question

i saw the writing notification popup so i asked in the other one bcos this was already taken

but apparently not

"Joseph Eisler. Sie treiben Machtpolitik. Dazu gehört jedoch Macht. Besitzen Sie die?"
are these parataxen or hypotaxen
im still not sure
i understand that one is a stilmittel that contains a bunch of small sentences after each other

[glossy marsh]

Someone posted their question in multiple channels. The message I replied to has since been removed.

[cloud fulcrum]

oh lmao

my bad

[light ivy]

Would you say “Hinnehmen” and “Vertragen” are synonyms? If not, how would you best define both words?

it seems that they have awfully similar meanings (Pons)

[long whale]

If you scroll down, you'll find examples for both: https://www.schreiben.net/artikel/parataxe-hypotaxe-4885/ That ought to help. ;)

[cloud fulcrum]

thx

[light ivy]

Bedrohen vs Drohen? The meanings on DWDS look pretty similar

[night dagger]

check duden, but i think bedrohen is meant specifically for physical threats 🤷

[light ivy]

Sure

I checked Pons too, and I got similar definitions

[night dagger]

it's a minute difference

looks like "bedrohen" is used for objects/places too

"Hochwasser bedroht die Stadt"

not sure if "drohen" is possible there, probably not

[light ivy]

Okay

Hmm

Okay

[dry olive]

Hey all. I’ve heard that you pretty much always use the present perfect in speech and only use the präteritum in writing. Does this mean these tenses include the “imperfect tense” (a la Spanish or Latin) when they’re used?

(for those who don’t know, the imperfect tense is often equivalent to the english “i was/were [verb]ing”)

[solid hull]

Aspect is expressed in German through adverbs

Ich habe früher Gitarre gespielt = I used to play the guitar

[willow socket]

Drohen is possible there. The main difference afaik is grammatical.
bedrohen always requires an akkusativ object that is being threatened.
Drohen doesn't require an object.
z.B. Ein Unwetter droht.
Ein Unwetter droht der Stadt.
Ein Unwetter bedroht die Stadt.

[fallow ledge]

as a further note for drohen/bedrohen. they're similar like Gray said. heres an exercise to help with the difference

[light ivy]

Danke

[summer crystal]

"Was willst du, mich zu sagen?" Is this how you say "What do you want to tell me?"

[delicate tiger]

"Was willst du mir sagen"

[summer crystal]

"to me", of course: dative. :)

Danke!

[weak mist]

Ich habe ein eigenes Schlafzimmer und bin drin sehr gemütlich.

Is this sentence correct?

...und finde es sehr gemütlich

...und fühle mich d(a?)rin sehr gemütlich

[delicate tiger]

Ich habe ein eigenes Schlafzimmer, welches/das sehr gemütlich ist.

[weak mist]

Ich finde es sehr schwierig, als ich jetzt die Prüfung habe, mir die Wörter, die ich normalerweise kenne, zu merken.

is this one correct?

[delicate tiger]

"Jetzt wo ich die Prüfung habe finde ich es sehr schwierig mir die Wörter zu merken, die ich normalerweise kenne"

[fervent kernel]

ist der satz richtig? jeder fünfte Befragte ist der Ansicht, dass **er ** ....
also wenn ich mich auf das Subjekt beziehen möchte, und das Subjekt ist jeder(...), verwende ich das Pronomen er, weil Befragte maskulin ist?

oder gar nicht richtig, und es sollte ein anderes Pronomen verwendet werden?

[delicate tiger]

"jede fünfte Befragte ist der Ansicht, dass sie..." analog

[fervent kernel]

alles klar danke

[lost forge]

what would be the word to word translation of "Gern geschehen " ?

[glossy marsh]

Gladly occured.

[lost forge]

danke 😄

[fallow ledge]

Hallo gilt diese Regel, wobei die Dativ- und Akkusativobjekte umgeordet werden, auch bei Personalpronomen wie dich?

z.B. ich gab es (das Geschenk) ihr
ich gebe dich den Hunden

[willow socket]

Ich gebe dir die Hunde?

[fallow ledge]

nein den Hunden

ill give you to the dogs

idk ist halt Übungssache

[willow socket]

oh, well, yeah I suppose that would be the proper way as well. 😄

you wouldn't say 'Ich gebe den Hunden dich'

[cursive rain]

Ich gebe ihr das Geschenk?

[fallow ledge]

und ferner noch: klingt dieser Satz okay, ich bin auf diese Verb-Präposition-Verbindung gestoßen und dachte es klang schön

"das Wort "Hund" geht auf "d" aus." the word dog ends in d.

(the d isnt written in english XD)

[long whale]

It's okay, but I definitely wouldn't say it's nicer than "endet auf/mit d". ;)

[minor obsidian]

Hello, shouldn't this translation be "Alle diese schoenen Pferde"?

[long whale]

When you've got "all[e] + article/possessive + noun", the "-e" is optional. And although German has equivalents for "these/those", they're much less frequently used than in English. :)

[minor obsidian]

Ah, so thats why

I see, thank you

[lost forge]

on what level should i learn each noun case ?

[sly ferry]

they're not really tied to levels, you need them all the time

the recommended order of learning them is nominative -> accusative -> dative-> genitive

[vocal kernel]

between A1 and A2 i guess
but Genetiv is on B1 , but it's better if u learn it earlier

[lost forge]

aha , thanks 😄

[snow bone]

You should be learning them right away

Akkusativ and Dativ should go pretty much hand in hand, you can delay Genitiv though

The genitive of possession can be replaced by "von + Dativ" so it's not that urgent to learn it

[night dagger]

It’s usually recommended by professional educators to start with Nominativ -> Akkusativ and then move on to Dativ, for the obvious reason of increased complexity :)

[snow bone]

Yeah I might have rushed the cases a bit when I was studying them 😅

[night dagger]

passiert

[true escarp]

When would you use the words that have no add ons to them such as Geh, Fahr, or Spring

[snow bone]

These are imperative forms

Used to issue or express a command

Geh! - Go!
Fahr! - Travel!
Spring! - Jump!

[true escarp]

Oh ok, thank you!

[summer crystal]

Is this an accurate translation for "...but he doesn't have any clear economical position"?
"...aber er hat keine klare wirtschaftliche Position"

[night dagger]

i don't even know what that means in english lol

economical position?

[summer crystal]

Hm. I might try to rephrase it.

[willow socket]

yeah, economical = thrifty pretty much.
A position on economics or an 'economic position' would be different

[summer crystal]

Yeah, position on economics, like left or right.

[night dagger]

i would use the word politics to be more clear, personally.

[willow socket]

economics and politics mean two different things. It's fine to say a position on economics.

[night dagger]

also, so was wie" ich kenne seine politischen Überzeugungen nicht."

lol yes, i'm aware.

[summer crystal]

Thanks for the feedback. I'll try to re-translate it.

[night dagger]

what i'm saying if someone has economic beliefs, those beliefs are likely derivative of their political beliefs

[willow socket]

It would depend on what you're talking about. Saying that you don't know someone's political convictions isn't really the same as saying that someone doesn't have a clear position on economics. For example, I could say that Baudrillard doesn't have a clear position on economics while being fully aware of his political orientation.

[summer crystal]

"...but he doesn't have any clear positions on economics"
"...aber er hat keine klare Positionen über Wirtschaft"
Should I use auf isntead of über? And should it be in the singular? God, I'm so confused.

[willow socket]

'Er hat keine klare Position/Einstellung zur Wirtschaft' would be my best guess

[night dagger]

yeah, like i said, someone's opinions on economics will more times than not be derivative of their political opinions. economic opinions without connections to politics (whether the person is cognizant of it or not) sounds like a bubble or a vacuum or something

[summer crystal]

Thanks, that sounds much better. But why is zu used here? 🤔

Wiktionary lists "with respect to; regarding" as a definition for "zu". I think it makes sense now.

[granite spade]

"Deinem Konto hat Folgendes erhalten: ..."

Erhalten + Dativ? 🤔

[teal mica]

"Dein Konto hat Folgendes erhalten"
erhalten requires accusative ("Whom or what did you receive?")

[night dagger]

seems like it's missing a preposition or something, i think you can use "aus" and "von" with erhalten, no?

[teal mica]

"etwas von jemandem erhalten" works

technically, you can also say "etwas aus <Ort> erhalten" (this means you received smth from a place, i.e. different country etc.)

in the latter case, I would personally prefer "bekommen" instead of "erhalten"

[night dagger]

yeah

if that's from an app or something, would it be normal for a preposition to be omitted and implied?

[teal mica]

"erhalten" kind of implies that you asked for something, which you eventually received

[teal mica]

wdym?

[night dagger]

idk, probs a silly question but have you ever seen a preposition left out of a sentence for the sake of being brief

[teal mica]

no

because you need it, otherwise you either sound weird, the clause makes no sense, or you are simply being ungrammatical.

[night dagger]

right

so that sentence they shared is grammatically incorrect, unless they use a dativ preposition

[willow socket]

Even in this case, with a preposition it wouldn't make any sense. 'Von deinem Konto hat Folgendes erhalten:'
what would come next?

[teal mica]

I cant think of a situation in which you could omit the prepositon for briefness' sake

[teal mica]

is "Folgendes" referring to a person? If no, this makes no sense at all. If yes, it should be "Folgender etwas"

Also, it might be helpful if you provided some context around your sentence, so I might help you out better.

[willow socket]

No, I'm only commenting that the message escapades received wouldn't be a case of accidentally missing preposition. Even if we assume a missing preposition it doesn't fix the sentence.

[teal mica]

No

Of course

A preposition describes the relationship between two or more parts of the sentence. If you omit it, you will miss out on important information that is not implied at any time.

You cannot safely "guess" important information if you have no info to start with.

[night dagger]

yeah the sentence is just plain wrong then

[teal mica]

You have probably understood already, but let me elaborate on that one: If you say "Ich gehe Haus.", the mindful student will see that there is a preposition missing. But which one? Well, you cannot know because more than one are technically correct: Namely, "ins", "aufs", "unters", "neben", "hinters", "vors", "ans" etc.

You cannot just make a guess because many preps are possible and the meaning of the sentence completely changes depending upon the preposition used.

Well, I hope I did not elaborate too much there. 🙂

[night dagger]

lol it's a perfect explanation, thank you

[teal mica]

don't mention it! 🙂

[granite spade]

Sure, the creators of Dead By Daylight are giving free ingame points out, so when you turn the game on, that comes up: "Deinem Konto hat Folgendes (300.000 Bloodpoints) erhalten".

[teal mica]

Well, if it really says this exact message, then they also need German lessons x)

It should be "Dein". the rest is fine. Even though I might add that Folgendes and then immediately saying what appears kinda redundant to me.

Correct would be: Dein Konto hat Folgendes erhalten: 300 000 Bloodpoints

Or even better, Dein Konto hat 300 000 Bloodpoints erhalten. But ig that asks too much from Google Translate add-ons xD

[delicate tiger]

"Deinem Konto wurden xxx gutgeschrieben" als Alternative

[granite spade]

Yeah I'd have understood that

But the erhalten plus Dativ didn't seem right

[teal mica]

The alternative sounds a lot better than what these guys threw at you there.

[velvet otter]

If i were to say "Is there a doctor among us?" would it make more sense to say "Gibt ein Arzt unter uns?" or "Ist ein Arzt unter uns?"

[swift bough]

Well the first sentence is missing some aspects, it would have to be „Gibt es einen Arzt unter uns?“

[velvet otter]

Oh okay that makes alot more sense

[swift bough]

You can make the distinction between these two sentences by realizing that „Es gibt“ feels a lot more like something is permanently somewhere, whereas „Ist ein“ isn‘t @velvet otter

So maybe a doctor is like part of an organization

In a way he or she could be seen as permanently part of it

But if a doctor is just standing in a room then es gibt doesn’t make sense

Like in a room with a bunch of others

[velvet otter]

Hmmm... In that case then it would make more sense to say something like "Es ist ein Arzt im Zimmer"

[swift bough]

You can also maybe think of „Es gibt“ as „there exists“ (this is another translation for it so)

[velvet otter]

It sound odd, so i cant be sure

[swift bough]

And then when you say „there exists a doctor in the room“ it doesn’t make much sense

Does it

[velvet otter]

So in that case would it be a better alternative to use "Es ist" or something else perhaps?

[swift bough]

Yes

The „es“ is optional too

You could just write „ein Arzt ist im Zimmer“

But notice it changes the word order a bit

[velvet otter]

Ah yeah, i see

oh boy, gotta break myself out of using "Es gibt" where not necessary then, eh? Anyway, thank you alot for the help 😄

[swift bough]

Exactly, it’s an easy trap to fall into when someone immediately just says that „Es gibt“ means „there is/are“, because there’s more to it than that, as you can see .

No problem

[velvet otter]

Thats what i thought all this time, until now

[rotund apex]

Where can I learn German in my sleep

I would use YouTube but I'm poor and don't want to have to pay for YTPremium just so it can play in the background

[light ivy]

Can you please me know how this goes for you? Might give it a try

[rotund apex]

Ok

[fallow ledge]

It wont work sadly 😔 your involvement needs to be somewhat more active, either by listening to comprehensible input or by producing yourself

Have a look at the resources list for some good podcasts and shows, also nicos weg is good for beginners

faq resources

[stoic mauve]

Resources

https://bit.ly/gladresources

[fallow ledge]

@rotund apex @light ivy

[light ivy]

Okay

[true escarp]

What is different for schlecht and schlimm?

[swift bough]

„Schlimm“ is different from „schlecht“ in that it is used when you are talking about things which are morally bad

But also like if someone badly injured themselves you would say that that’s „schlimm“

Sometimes they can be interchangeable tho

[true escarp]

Can you think of it as the word shame?

For schlimm?

Like, thats a shame for him

[swift bough]

No

That would be schade

[true escarp]

Oh, well ok then. Thank you

[swift bough]

But that’s the adjective

The noun is Schande

But like if you wanna say something is a shame

It’s really common to say „das ist schade“

[night dagger]

oder einfach „schade“ ^

[long whale]

schlecht is used when something can be either good or bad, like exam grades, health, food, a piece of news, etc. schlimm is used for things which are bad to start with, like a car accident, a cold, a wound, etc., emphasizing just how bad something is :) @swift bough ;)

[obtuse flare]

Hi and good day. My name is Sarvin and I’m from Malaysia. I am studying B1 now and I am going to take my AS German exam this November. I would like to ask some sources that I can refer for my Essay(Some example essays) part.

Apart from that, in my essays I tend to use a lot of ,,man” (for the general essays like ,,was kann man von ausländischen Studium profitieren?’’). My question is how can I improvise my essays without using man or using fewer man?

[long whale]

https://ifu-institut.at/online-lernen/prufungsvorbereitung/prufungsvorbereitung-b1/schreiben/primery-pisem-na-razlichnye-temy-dlia-urovnia-b1 As far as I know (and as shown in the examples on the site I linked to), it's highly unlikely you'll be asked to write an essay/discuss something abstract in a B1 exam. :)

[obtuse flare]

Thank you , but I am also preparing for my As German end of this year. So, any suggestion on that?

[long whale]

For replacing "man"? There are some options, but they're mostly C1 stuff. I really wouldn't worry about that if I were you. :) Better revise the structures required by verbs, resp. adjective declination, since "von etwas/jemandem profitieren" requires Dativ, for example. ;)

[obtuse flare]

Okay . Thank you 🙂

[hearty blaze]

Does anyone know what the word "wirfrei" means here?

[long whale]

Nothing. It's the made-up name of the spirit world. I guess if you want to, you can read it as "wir frei" (we free) - ungrammatical both in German and in English. :)

[hearty blaze]

Oh, okay. Thanks! ;)

[static fern]

Does German have any idiomatic phrases that express sickness? For example, in English you can say something like this:
"Something I ate earlier this week made me sick as a dog."
I'm wondering if German has an equivalent?

[stiff tundra]

whats the rule with Dativ where you put N at the end of the noun for examplem Mit dem Männern

[fervent kernel]

You mean the name of the rule? n-Deklination?

[long whale]

mit den Männern - The rule is: all nouns get an -n in Dativ plural, unless they've already got one like "das Mädchen" -> mit den Mädchen

[long whale]

Same as in English: ich war krank wie ein Hund :)

[stiff tundra]

also zb heute fahre ich mit meinen Hunden

okay thanks xx

[static fern]

ok danke

[slim yew]

what is the difference between die Wand (wall) and die Mauer (wall)

[long whale]

die Mauer is usually on the outside, or in a garden, or surrounding a city (die Stadtmauer). die Wand is what you've got inside houses. Ein Zimmer hat im allgemeinen vier Wände (a room usually has four walls), not Mauern. :)

[slim yew]

no wonder why it is berliner Mauer not berliner Wand

[slim yew]

unless you have a house called berlin

[sage quiver]

not too sure about this sentence. the natural way I thought about it based on the words involved is "I finally figured it out, based on room size and power consumption, and got [an AC] today" but that doesn't make the most sense
[über der Sommer] Aber ich habe mich jetzt endlich schlau gemacht, was Raumgröße und Stromaufnahme angeht, und heute [einen Ventilator] bestellt.

[long whale]

Stromaufnahme Stromverbrauch :)

@sage quiver

[naive gulch]

"Die Beiträge der Schule von Salamanca im Bereich Recht und Ökonomie gründeten sich auf die neuen Herausforderungen und moralischen Probleme, mit der die Gesellschaft unter den neuen Bedingungen konfrontiert wurde."

"... mit der die Gesellschaft...": is "der" in this case in genitive plural?

[long whale]

No. It's an error. der denen -> Dativ Plural

[naive gulch]

Thank you! I took it from the Wikipedia! Makes sense.

[lucid sluice]

How would you translate “unless” in the following sentence: You should wait, unless you have no spare time”

[tough rock]

"es sei denn" or "außer"

[proven sphinx]

With "außer" being more commonly used than "es sei denn".

[granite spire]

Anyone can give me a link for a list of english to german dictionary? im newbie btw

[spiral vessel]

so you mean like an actual book

[granite spire]

ebooks will do ^_^

[long whale]

If you're going to download it or use it on a PC, Pons is pretty much the best there is (it's just the app which is... meh): https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/eng

[stable pawn]

Native speakers - any thoughts on when/whether to decline niemand by case? For example, “Ich habe niemanden gesehen” vs “ich habe niemand gesehen” - I read that both are fine but the former might be more common.

Is there any dialectal difference? Would you ever just say “niemand” rather than “niemanden” or “niemandem”

[elder mural]

tbh ich denke zwischen den zwei Wörtern gibt es keinen Unterschied... man kann aber z.B "Niemanden" nicht immer benutzen, wie z.B in dem Satz "Niemand wurde gesehen" <- you cant use "Niemanden" here

[carmine cairn]

I'd use "niemanden" in your example

[elder mural]

ich denke am Satzanfang darf man nie "Niemanden" benutzen; aber es kann auch Ausnahmen geben die mir gerade nicht einfallen....

[elder mural]

@stable pawn

[stable pawn]

Könnte man doch zB „Niemanden habe ich gesehen“ schreiben?

(“I didn’t see anyone”)

[elder mural]

ja das würde gehen

[stable pawn]

Danke @elder mural @carmine cairn

[night dagger]

gibt es einen Ausdruck wie „you‘re butchering it“ auf Deutsch?

zB: jemand erzählt einen Witz schlecht und jemand anders sagt vielleicht „ne, du erzählst es falsch/you’re butchering it“ oder so

[elder mural]

ich denke eher nicht

[night dagger]

also, du würdest einfach „du erzählst es falsch“ sagen? @elder mural

[elder mural]

ja

[willow socket]

maybe versauen/ruinieren also?

[elder mural]

ich kenne niemanden der sagen würde: du versaust/ruinierst den Witz... ruinieren würde aber theoretisch funktionieren, sagt bloß keiner

[willow socket]

So like if you fuck up when trying to explain something, it would be weird to say 'Scheiße ich habe's versaut/ruiniert?

[elder mural]

klingt komisch, würde eher sagen: (Scheiße,) ich habe es falsch erklärt

if you using versaut/ruiniert; its like you really messed something up and you feel bad for it

and I think if you explain something wrong, you not feeling really bad

[night dagger]

ja da klingt ein bisschen dramatischer oder so

[elder mural]

ja

[willow socket]

yeah, it just seems weird to me that in german you would have to be very specific when saying like 'oh jeez I fucked it up' when in english you can say that while doing just about anything and it would be normal 😂

[night dagger]

Du hast die Überraschung ruiniert oder so

[elder mural]

true

[elder mural]

ja zum Beispiel

[night dagger]

vielen Dank 🙏

oh shit

ich glaub, „du hast es vermasselt“ geht, ne?

[elder mural]

si

[teal mica]

you can also say "Du hast den Witz verkackt." if you want to be a little more rough.

[minor obsidian]

Hello

Is it just me, or is the translation wrong?

[fallow ledge]

She looks is : sie sieht aus

You you (plu. Informal) is: ihr seht aus

You can see the subject in the pronoun and the verb conjugation

Ihr can also be translated as you guys

[minor obsidian]

AH I see

I forgot it was nominative pronoun

Thanks for clearing it up

[fallow ledge]

Kein Problem

[pastel shore]

Is the following sentence correct? Also please answer the question itself if you can: Hallo, welche Konjugation das Verb nach 'man' bekommen ?

[proven sphinx]

It's not correct and it doesn't make much sense, either. I do understand what you're trying to ask, though.

"In welcher Person wird das Verb nach "man" konjugiert?"

And the answer is in the 3rd person singular. Man kann, man schläft, man geht, man läuft, man sieht etc.

[pastel shore]

Thank you 🙂

[fervent kernel]

How do you remember certain words? When i learn a set of words i just end up forgetting most of them 1 or 2 weeks later

[willow socket]

repeat flashcards. Try anki (spaced repetition)

also make sure you're reading enough and trying to develop active recall skills through writing with new words?

[plain umbra]

Yeah, and also, forgetting words a lot in the beginning is really normal. You just have to keep working hard until it works.

Sometimes you have to look at a word like 20 times before it sticks, but that's totally okay.

[proper moat]

Diese Übungen sind sehr schwer

[sterile saffron]

Would Ihr become euch in the accusative case?

[long whale]

Yes. (In Dativ, too) :)

[hollow vapor]

Can anyone give me an example with 'sich einhandeln' ?

[sterile saffron]

Just keep practising by trying to translate random English texts to German in your mind. If you feel you can't find a specific word to use, try something as simple as GTranslate to find that word. Then try translating that sentence again.

This way you can discover new words, and remember stuff as well

Might not be recommended but this is how I remember most words, GTranslate is like my playground where I practice what I know

[barren stump]

What's difference between getan or gemacht?

[near folio]

getan = Partizip II von tun
gemacht = Partizip II von machen

Der Unterschied zwischen den beiden Verben wird hier erklärt

https://german.stackexchange.com/a/1349

[long whale]

"Er ist sehr unhöflich und handelt sich damit oft Schwierigkeiten ein." That said, DWDS is a very good source for examples: https://www.dwds.de/wb/einhandeln If you scroll down, they are under Verwendungsbeispiele :)

And while it's admittedly a slow and laborious process, if you try to come up with an example yourself, and then ask here whether it's correct/idiomatic, you'll have a much higher chance of actually remembering the word/verb. :)

[hollow vapor]

Ich mache mein bestes um Deutsch zu lernen, aber selbst wenn ich nicht die Übung aufschiebe, handle ich mich damit offensichtliche Fehler ein

@long whale

That makes sense?

[fallow ledge]

Ich gebe mein Bestes, um Deutsch zu lernen. Would be more idiomatic

Aber, selbst wenn ich die Übungen nicht aufschiebe.
Here nicht needs to be near the verb, to negate the whole sentence

Ive never seen sich einhandeln so i cant comment

Oh soorry i didnt see the susana ping

(Auch wenn es ja so dick und grell da in der Mitte steht lol)

[hollow vapor]

Kein Ding!@fallow ledge Any help is welcomed

[long whale]

Ich tue mein Bestes, um Deutsch zu lernen. Aber selbst wenn ich die Übung (the exercise? Or rather "exercising"? -> das Üben) nicht aufschiebe, handle ich mir damit offensichtliche Fehler ein :) Now it does. :)

[brazen gulch]

Is there a difference in usage between stets and immer? Or is stets just more Umgangssprache?

[weak mist]

Wovon/woraus hast du das gekauft?

which one here?

[proven sphinx]

Neither makes much sense...

What exactly do you want to say?

[sly ferry]

Wovon works

[proven sphinx]

Wovon hast du das gekauft?!

[sly ferry]

= von welchem Geld

[proven sphinx]

Echt jetzt? Das klingt komisch, aber ich vertraue dir dabei einfach mal. 😂

[sly ferry]

Weiß nicht obs als standardsprachlich durchgeht aber als umgangssprache definitiv :D

[latent wadi]

boah ich dachte immer war umgangsprachlicher

wieder-erneut immer-stets

[proven sphinx]

Ja, das ist es definitiv.

[latent wadi]

nice

[weak mist]

Where did you buy that

but i think "Wo" would be better in that regard

right?

How about like, "from where do you have that"

[proven sphinx]

Wo hast du das gekauft?
Woher hast du das?

[latent wadi]

Aus welchem Laden ?

[sly ferry]

Wo certainly is the most sane choice yes

[weak mist]

hm

thanks

[brazen gulch]

@latent wadi ahhhh danke

[dapper oar]

What would you say to cheer on a football team. ("Let's go ___"). I've heard "Auf geht's" or "Los geht's". Do they both work, is one more colloquial, other options, etc?

[night dagger]

yeah i believe "los gehts" is pretty practical. also if you're rooting for the germany team ever you can say "Schlaaaaandd!". it's actually the only situation in which i've heard that word

[dapper oar]

Haha good to know. Thank you!

[mighty venture]

„Auf gehts“ is more used in daily conversation.
It’s kinda like a more literal translation of „let‘s go“ Id say, so if you say it you literally mean let’s go so let’s move to somewhere else for example

But technically you can say both, „los gehts“ kinda sounds better tho in that context

[round sierra]

Hello I have a question regarding writing letters/emails

When starting the email how to I begrüß a company/organization?

For example I might usually write " Sehr geeherte Frau/Mann Mustermann, " but in this case its a organization. I'm not greeting a specific individual or position.

But it feels like just writing "Sehr geeherte [Unternehmen]" is wrong

[tough rock]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren @round sierra

[fervent kernel]

If you don't really know any names you generally say "Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren" that refers to everyone reading the email

[round sierra]

I was thinking of that as well 😅 perhaps I was just hoping that there might be an alternative as I use that one quite a lot haha

[tough rock]

I mean you can try making it gender neutral but it doesnt really sound formal then:
Sehr geehrte Lesende,
Sehr geehrte Empfänger*innen
Sehr geehrtes Team/Organisation XY

[round sierra]

Alright I'll keep that in mind 🙂 regardless thank you for your time and help Jess and Anomalie. . . 74!

[hot anvil]

kaum dass vs sobald - does German still use the former or is it obsolete?

[compact flicker]

Which is better; "die Stadtgemeinde sucht Ferialarbeiterinnen" or "die Stadtgemeinde sucht nach Ferialarbeiterinnen"?

[swift bough]

it’s better without nach

[compact flicker]

Okay 👍

[long whale]

"kaum dass" is pretty much obsolete, yes. :)

[long whale]

Are you in Switzerland or Austria? Because in Standard German, there is no such thing as "Ferial..." :)

[proven sphinx]

Offenbar ist es etwas Österreichisches.

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferialarbeitnehmer

[fervent kernel]

The only difference between hineinschreiben and reinschreiben, only the latter is used umgangsprachlich, right?

[elder mural]

ja

[compact flicker]

@long whale Österreich 😫

[round sierra]

Ja Ferial is like summer jobs right? Ferien Arbeitnehmer in Germany I believe?

[true escarp]

So when would you use Habt ihr in a sentence? I've also have seen it as Möchtet ihr. what does this mean

[proven sphinx]

"Habt ihr" just means "do you have".

Or "have you" with a past participle, depending on what comes afterwards.

Habt ihr etwas Schokolade? = Do you have some chocolate?
Habt ihr viel gegessen? = Did you eat a lot?

[true escarp]

Can it also be used for You have?

[proven sphinx]

If it's not a question, then it should be "Ihr habt".

As in "Ihr habt viel gegessen" = You've eaten a lot.

[true escarp]

Oh ok

What about Möchtet ihr?

[proven sphinx]

Möchtet ihr = Would you like...

Möchtet ihr etwas Schokolade? = Would you like some chocolate?

[true escarp]

I swear my brain isn't working today, thank you! I've had trouble understanding that for while now.

wait you would use those words to anyone? Or is there a certain person you'd use it on?

[proven sphinx]

A group of people that you're familiar with.

[sly ferry]

Are you referring to the grammatical person or a real one ?

[proven sphinx]

It's the informal plural form.

[fervent kernel]

@untold flame when someone asks you how are you, there are many answers but i always worry about using the wrong answers

can you say mir gehts

or ich gehts

[untold flame]

mir gehts

because

ich gehts kinda means

"i goes"

mir gehts means it goes for me

in like mirror translation

or direct idk the expression

[fervent kernel]

could you recommend some of the most common replies

then please

[wise pendant]

"Mir geht's" is no proper german 😩

[fervent kernel]

people say it though, that's why i get confused

[wise pendant]

You need an adjective after it

[untold flame]

or can you say

"es geht mir"?

if it's like neutral

[fallow ledge]

Hmm still needs an adjective

„Es geht“ is fine for a short „yeah its going i guess“ kinda response, but „es geht mir gut/schlecht/so lala“ needs something

[untold flame]

ooo

i see

thank you

[fervent kernel]

yes

thanks

[fervent kernel]

and you say you'd use es geht if someone says wie gehts or was geht

[fallow ledge]

Hmm i personally dont like it much, it still feels like something is missing

Very colloquial

[fervent kernel]

in general though

[fallow ledge]

Like for english if someone said „hows life“ and i responded with „its going i guess“ its a very colloquial, borderline ungrammatical response

[fervent kernel]

yes, i asked since if someone said how are you, and you reply with a brief it's going i guess

it doesn't make grammatical sense

[fervent kernel]

es geht mir gut would be fine then

[fallow ledge]

Yups works like a charm

[fervent kernel]

thank you

[wise pendant]

Keep in mind:
"Es geht" -> not so good
"Es läuft" -> quite good

[fervent kernel]

if ever i need help should i tag you

or dm

[fervent kernel]

with es laeuft, do you still need an adjective

or can you just say that and it'll be fine

[long whale]

"Es geht [so]" isn't really ungrammatical. :) It's, uh, I guess you could see it as a (pretty lame) pun, because "Es geht [so]" is a common, pretty unenthusiastic response to "Bist Du mit [insert device or simply thing of choice, whether car, mobile, dishwasher, job, even girlfriend ] zufrieden?"

[fallow ledge]

Girlfriend 👀 oh dear

[long whale]

Okay, say: insert conversation topic of choice. :D

[jovial imp]

guys i'm new to german can you fix this sentence if there is anything wrong with it in terms of grammar of structure "Ich bin hässlich wann ich den Saft habe. Der Weißtee ist besser"

[tame plank]

You are ugly when you have the juice?

I think it should be , wenn, instead of wann

also omg it's Ben Finegold

[jovial imp]

are you sure?

i just need to flex in comments

like i know german

[swift bough]

Yes it’s wenn

[jovial imp]

pk

OK

TY guys

[swift bough]

Idk what that’s even supposed to mean tho lol you’re ugly when you have the juice

[jovial imp]

he wrote it under that pic

does it make sense even if he mean to make a joke?

[tame plank]

Wenn ich eine Fertigpizza doppelt so heiß backe, wird sie dann doppelt so schnell fertig?

[fervent kernel]

how do you know when to use wann or wenn

they mean the same thing

[fallow ledge]

Wann indicates a time

Wenn every other time (its conditionals such as english‘s „if“ or for sentences like „when i get to uni today, ill do my work“)

Z.B.

Wann kommst du nach Hause? (When (at what time) are you coming home)

Ich frage mich, wann er nach Deutschland fliegt. (Im wondering when (at what time/date etc) hes going to germany)

[fervent kernel]

so you'd use wenn if you were saying when i do something etc

[zenith storm]

@fervent kernel open your snap

[fervent kernel]

ok

[long whale]

If you want to know whether the question is okay, grammar-wise, the answer is yes. If you want a factual answer, go to #general #german-only or #general-2 :)

Ich frage mich, wann er nach Deutschland fliegen werde fliegt ;) @fallow ledge

[fallow ledge]

Yeah

[fervent kernel]

but you use wann if it is a question?

[long whale]

If your English question would/could begin with "At what time...?", yes. :)

[swift bough]

I know juice is a slang term for steroids or like vape juice but I‘m not sure what else

[fervent kernel]

you could learn basics here

[teal mica]

not always. You can also say: "Wenn du nach Hause kommst, vergiss nicht, die Tür abzuschließen." When you come home, do not forget to lock the door."

(originally pointed at your other statement regarding "wenn" meaning "if")

[fervent kernel]

is the general rule though that wann is used in only questions and wenn is used any other time

[teal mica]

Roughly, I'd say yes

"Wann" is an adverb

"Wenn" is a conjunction

[fervent kernel]

sometimes it doesn't always connect clauses though

[teal mica]

Yes, it can behave like a subordinate conjunction

[fervent kernel]

yes

[fallow ledge]

Thats not a time tho

I said wann for times and wenn every other time

[teal mica]

But I did not use "wann" to say "when" (in this context, "wenn" denotes a point in time that will happen (i.e. "when you come home ..." -> assuming you actually come home)

[fallow ledge]

A time as in wann gehst du heute abend raus? um 9 Uhr

[teal mica]

yourr statement seemed to generalized

both wann and wenn can denote time, just that wann is asking for a time whereas wenn acts as a (subordinate) conjunction when talking about known time stamps/events that will happen at time

[fallow ledge]

All good 👍 i usually explain and understand through examples so i can see that my statement was too generalised

[teal mica]

it was no offense. I am just a detail bitch

and it's good to learn through examples as it gives you grammar in context.

which is vital if you really want to get it down correctly

[fallow ledge]

👍

Dwds, reverso and linguee are good for that, favourite resources

[teal mica]

linguee 4 life, homie

[fervent kernel]

does tekamolo actually apply to any sentence

or is it fake

when

how

where

and why]

[fallow ledge]

It applies, time really want to be said early in the sentence

And place is usually last

[teal mica]

yep

everything else just sounds weird

[fervent kernel]

yes

but tekamolo is legit

[teal mica]

except if you want to say that something exists somewhere

"Ich wohne in Berlin" is fine, whereas "In Berlin wohne ich." sounds either weird or literary (dated)

wait

this kind of depends on the verb

scratch that

if you want to say that something exists, both orders are fine. It's just a matter of stress. If you say the location first, it puts the stress on the location.

If you say the thing first, the stress moves to the thing and not the location

[fallow ledge]

Ich war letztes Jahr am 11. Juni mit meiner Mutter in Berlin.

Should be a sentence without emphasis (stimmt das toph)

[teal mica]

it's fine

[fallow ledge]

Its follows tekamolo

If you move stuff around, it plays a bit with emphasis, or sounds strange

[teal mica]

it does not stress anything so much. If it stresses anything, then it's "letztes Jahr"

yes

[fallow ledge]

Ich war in Berlin mit meiner Mutter am 11. Juni. Does this sound strange, i reversed it

[teal mica]

but German, generally, is free when it comes to word order as long as it follows the basic pattern S-V-O for main clauses and S-O-V for subordinate clauses

that stresses "Berlin"

it kind of is weird, yes

but acceptable if someone said you had been in Frankfurt or smth. and you want to correct them

[fallow ledge]

It probably sounds better this way:

In Berlin war ich am 11. Juni mit meiner Mutter.

[teal mica]

that stresses "Berlin" even more

"Am 11. Juni war ich mit meiner Mutter in Berlin." is how I would say it because for most of the time, you want to stress the time and not the location.

And no, it sounds even more weird except in contexts where you want to correct someone who talked shit previously

Though, grammatically, it's absolutely nothing wrong with it.

As you pointed out correctly, you play with the stress if you move time adverbs or location names etc. around

[wise pendant]

As long as the verb is at the correct position and directly besides the subject ist fine.
OVS is also correct:
zB "Nach Berlin gehe ich"
@BlueBottletop#0407

[teal mica]

yes, but this is literary and stresses Berlin. But you are right about the position of the verb. I stand corrected.

[fallow ledge]

I didn’t get this ping

Ive seen people put the infinitive at the start too thats cool

Or Partizip 2

[teal mica]

but when it acts as a noun

[fallow ledge]

Gelaufen bin ich im Wald.

[teal mica]

Schreiben macht mir Spaß = Writing is fun.

[fallow ledge]

Big emphasis

[teal mica]

this is ungrammatical imo

[fallow ledge]

The example i saw for this is a little inappropriate but also shows it really good

[teal mica]

I am interested, write it to me in PM. 🙂

[fallow ledge]

Ive forgotten the whole context, just give me a sec to find it again

[teal mica]

aight

[fallow ledge]

I also have some examples from a grammar book

[wise pendant]

Tho on the other hand, as a descriptive linguist grammar shouldn't be thought of as a strict mathematical system that needs to be followed but rather as the emerging order from things people actually say and use in the real world, which should always take precedents.

[fallow ledge]

@teal mica @wise pendant here are the text book examples

id like the exact phrasing before the other sentence, cause it sounded really natural

[teal mica]

so it's using modal verbs

[fervent kernel]

all i am saying is that germany is sooooooooo cool

[fallow ledge]

No not really, übersetzen and verstehen aren’t modal

[fervent kernel]

what does wieder vorkommen mean

[teal mica]

but "haben" (actually an auxiliary) "kann" etc.

"(to) come up again" or smth.

[fallow ledge]

(As a side note i found the other example)

[wise pendant]

Yep if you want to emphasize the verb.

[fervent kernel]

what does wieder vorkommen mean

[wise pendant]

To occur again

[fervent kernel]

ok vielen danke

[fallow ledge]

Fair enough

[fervent kernel]

i am doing some german right now, is option wahl with an umlaut on the a or without?

i forgot

[fallow ledge]

Probably wasn’t the best choice of verb anyways

The example i wanted to give i got from a show but i thought it was rude

So i swapped it for any verb

[fallow ledge]

Without, die Wahl. As as verb it has an Umlaut, wählen

[fervent kernel]

danke

[long whale]

"Sie sind also am Fluss entlanggelaufen und dann durch den Wald gefahren?" - "Nein, nein, am Fluss bin ich entlanggefahren. Gelaufen bin ich im Wald." 🤷

[wise pendant]

Sure, context

[silk flame]

„zwar”
is a really confusing word for me. I've looked up the meaning and looked at it in context, but I can never really get the pattern it's used in.
Does anyone have any insight to when it's supposed to be used and what it means?

[proven sphinx]

It's normally used in conjunction with "aber".

"Er war zwar noch nie in Deutschland, aber er weiß trotzdem viel über das Land"

It's best translated in English as "may", as in "He may never have been to Germany, but he still knows a lot about the country."

Sometimes it's also something like "even though":

"Ich bin zwar nicht müde, aber ich gehe trotzdem ins Bett." (Even though I'm not tired, I'm still going to bed./I may not be tired, but I'm still going to bed.)

The only time it's not used with "aber" is when it's "und zwar", which means "namely":

"Ich habe mir ein neues Auto gekauft, und zwar einen Audi." = I bought a new car, namely an Audi.

[fervent kernel]

is there only one meaning for Sie and is that formal you?

or is there more

[wise pendant]

Capital letter "Sie" is the formal you, yes.
There is also "sie" 3rd person feminine pronoun, but only with capitals at the start of a sentence

[silk flame]

Thank you for explaining this!
I'll try to look out for those uses

[fervent kernel]

was bedeutet zwar?

wieder

[silk flame]

They just explained it

[silk flame]

And also: are items with brand names always „der“? Or is it just Audi in this case?

[proven sphinx]

Cars are always masculine, but I wouldn't say all brand names are masculine.

[silk flame]

The fact that it's „das Auto“ until you give it a brand name, then it becomes “der Audi“ is pretty funny to me

What a mess of a language

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, I don't know why it's like that, either. 😂

[wise pendant]

der Wagen

[delicate tiger]

der BMW -> Auto; die BMW -> Motorrad

[fervent kernel]

how do i say please can you teach me german

[fallen galleon]

Kannst du mir bitte schön deutsch beibringen

or können Sie

[fervent kernel]

the other guy said biebringen isn't a word though

when i said it

confusing]

[fallen galleon]

its not biebringen but beibringen

[fervent kernel]

oh

[silk flame]

That's actually really useful to know, thanks

[vital kindle]

if I was born in the US, but lived in Canada since I was 4, would I say "Ich komme **aus **Kanada" or "Ich komme **von **Kanada" ?

[elder mural]

Ich komme aus den US, lebe aber in Kanada seitdem ich vier Jahre alt bin. would be a possible sentence

[hot anvil]

Eine ausgewogene Ernährung ist gesund, aber Bewegung ist ebenso wichtig.

are these rewritten sentences below also correct?

Eine ausgewogene Ernährung ist gesund, ebenso ist Bewegung wichtig.
Bewegung ist ebenso wichtig, wie eine ausgewogene Ernährung ist.

[elder mural]

ja

Bewegung ist ebenso wichtig, wie eine ausgewogene Ernährung.*

leave out the "ist"

[hot anvil]

Ja, ich verstehe. Danke schön.

[vital kindle]

alright, so "komme aus" is strictly only for birthplace

[elder mural]

ja

[glossy marsh]

Or for a location you've left:

Ich komme aus der Schule/dem Büro/der Küche, usw.

[glad sequoia]

Any PC games in German language?

[wise pendant]

There's a german company called Daedelic Games, that developed do many good story point and click games like "Depona" and "Edna bricht aus"

[glad sequoia]

Ok 👍

[sullen canyon]

Hallo, I've been practicing with sentence structure, can anyone just check over the following sentences to see if they're correct?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, they're all correct. They just emphasize different things.

Well, except for the comma.

No comma there.

[sullen canyon]

Ah ok

ty!

also I'm guessing that word moved to the front is the one that is emphasised?

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[sullen canyon]

interesting ok

[knotty adder]

Hello everyone, what would auf etw einstoßen mean?

[steep lava]

Hast du einen Satz?

[knotty adder]

Wenn du wieder hier bist, dann stoßen wir auf das bestandene Modul ein.

[tough rock]

Im pretty sure the writer meant "auf etw. anstoßen" instead of "auf etw. einstoßen". The first would then mean sth like to "raise glasses to sth"
https://en.pons.com/translate/german-english/auf+etwas+anstoßen

[steep lava]

Yes, it should be auf etw. anstoßen.

[knotty adder]

Thanks!

[humble saffron]

Kann jemand mir den Unterschied zwischen "stellen", "setzen" und "legen" sagen (wenn man sie statt des englischen Wort "put" sagt)? Mit welchen Objekten benutzt man jedes Wort?

[night dagger]

think about how you place something on a table.

do you lay a cup on a table or do you stand/place it on a table?

[long whale]

Forget about "setzen". "stellen" is to put something in an upright position (impossible for a newspaper or a magazine, for example), "legen" is to put something in a horizontal position (impossible for a bowl, or a plate). Does that help? :)

[humble saffron]

That does help! Thank you.

in which context do I use "setzen"?

[long whale]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/setzen :)

[hearty blaze]

I have a hammer where the handle can be unscrewed to become a screw driver. Can this kind of tool be considered a 'Gerät'?

[long whale]

No. das Werkzeug, if you insist: das Multifunktionswerkzeug :)

[hearty blaze]

thanks!

[humble saffron]

danke :)

how do you emphasize the word "eine" or just the noun when you want to say like "any"

"I want to know if this makes ANY sense"

[long whale]

By adding "irgend-" :)

[humble saffron]

ohhhh

that definitely makes sense

thank you

[dawn jackal]

Ich habe eine Frage.
Wir hatten doch abgemacht, dass du die Getränke besorgst.
Wir hatten doch ausgemacht, dass du die Getränke besorgst.
Was ist der Unterschied?rofl

[long whale]

In this particular case, there's no difference. (Otherwise, abmachen and ausmachen do mean different things, though.) :)

[dusk rock]

Danke (das ist meine Frage🤣 )

[west chasm]

was ist die änderung (richtig: der Unterschied) zwischen questions und questions 2?

[glad river]

Kann man in der Kombination etwas + neutraler adjektiv, wie ''etwas neues'' oder ''etwas anderes'', ''etwas'' weglassen?

[elder mural]

was willst du weglassen

?

[glad river]

''etwas''

[elder mural]

bsp satz?

[glad river]

So dass es nur ''neues'' oder ''anderes'' wäre

[elder mural]

Ah du meinst z.b

"Gibt es heute etwas neues?"

[glad river]

Ja genau

[elder mural]

manche sagen auch nur "Gibt es heute was neues?" aber das ist mehr Umgangsprachlich

Ich denke du musst immer etwas davor setzen...

[glad river]

Okay, danke

[fervent kernel]

hallo, just a quick question but how do you say either ( just listening to music or just relaxing/chilling)

thanks

[icy flax]

Entweder A oder B
Either A or B

[fervent kernel]

beide

[fervent kernel]

......

?

[glossy marsh]

What confuses you? Voodoo's answer is correct.

[fervent kernel]

i meant how do you say either "this or that"

this and that being the two repsonses

i thought he meant which one did you want translating

so i said beide

[glossy marsh]

Exactly how Voodoo phrased it.

[fervent kernel]

no no

i mean

how to say either just listening to music or just relaxing/chilling

not how to say either

[glossy marsh]

Höre nur Musik.
Entspanne nur.

[fervent kernel]

vielen danke

i must have confused him with my phrasing

[glossy marsh]

Yeah, this is why quotation marks exist. ^^

[fervent kernel]

lol yeah

[light ivy]

For the verb “Abheben” on Duden, I see “hob…ab” and “hub…ab” being used in the Präteritum section. Why is this, and which one do I use?

Thanks

[proven sphinx]

"hub ab" must be archaic because I've never heard it before.

Similar to how nobody uses "buk" anymore but only "backte".

Hmm, apparently, "buk" is used more often than I thought, but "backte" still strongly predominates.

[light ivy]

Okay

Thanks!

✋

[light ivy]

I’m giving you a “High-Five”, btw. I’m not sure if that was clear (lol)

[humble saffron]

Hallo hallo

How do you say "to revisit", for example to revisit a movie or an album after a long time.

If I use the verb "zurückkommen", which preposition/case would I use with it? An + Akk? Zu + Dat? Auf + Akk?

[night dagger]

aufgreifen :)

zB: ich muss das Thema wieder aufgreifen.

[icy flax]

I think betrachten and aufgreifen are good alternatives.

[humble saffron]

Is it still aufgreifen if it's just for leisure, for example?

[night dagger]

just for leisure?

i think the word works for business or for pleasure lol

also, du kannst auch "zurückkommen" benutzen. @humble saffron

und ja, es braucht Akkusativ und auf

[long whale]

Can't really think of a snappy, 1-size-fits-all translation, but for a movie or an album, I'd just say "Ich habe mir [nach langer Zeit] wieder [ein]mal X angesehen/angehört". "aufgreifen" works well with points/arguments/topics in debates/discussions, but not in the context you mention. :)

[fervent kernel]

could you recommend the best accurate german translator? i'd appreciate it if you could

[proven sphinx]

DeepL

[fervent kernel]

danke raven

[rose bone]

i'm a little bit confuse, so to ask someone's name is
wie heißt du? and that translates to what name is yours?, so my question is, there is a rule for when to flip the pronoun?

[solar niche]

Very literally, it's "how called you?". You might use "Wie heißen Sie?" in a more formal situation

[spiral sedge]

Ich habe eine Frage für Deutschguru :); ich merke bei den Aufgaben zu lösen. Ich beobachte diesen Satz. Ich war sehr traurig, als meine Eltern wieder in die Stadt gezogen sind. ist der Satz richtig oder Falsch

?

[long whale]

@spiral sedgePlease don't post the same question in several channels. Somebody else will see the above and think they need to answer, even though I just answered it in #questions Result: they'll have wasted their time. :)

[spiral sedge]

ok 🙂

[minor obsidian]

Hello, theres something that I don't get with "bei"

For these cases, why don't we use "Ich esse" instead?

[long whale]

To make it equivalent, you'd have to say "Ich esse gerade". Both "gerade" and "bei + nominalized verb" are equivalent to the English continuous tense, that's why "Ich esse" is not the same. :)

Another possibility, also using "bei" would be "dabei sein, etwas zu tun", e.g. Ich bin [gerade] dabei, die Fenster zu putzen (I'm cleaning the windows [right now])

[minor obsidian]

Ah, thats interesting

What would dabei be equivalent to in english for this occasion?

[long whale]

Just the continuous tense. As I said. :)

@minor obsidian

[minor obsidian]

I see, thanks

[icy flax]

When used as intensifiers, are "recht" and "richtig" the same?
Es ist recht/richtig gut?

[steep lava]

In a way, they seem to be.

[long whale]

Interesting question. 🤔 I wonder what other native speakers are going to say (maybe ask again if nobody else gives their opinion). I'd say "Es ist recht gut" would mean as much as "It's quite good" (i.e. kind of unenthusiastic), while "Es ist richtig gut" = "It's really good" (enthusiastic). :)

[steep lava]

Yeah, how Susana's stated it, is how I perceive it as too.

[icy flax]

@steep lava and @long whale, I will search more on internet later on and at night ask two friends, then I get back to you with the results hehe.

[fallow ledge]

ive heard recht compared with ganz before

and richtig more with sehr

[steep lava]

Yeah, I believe there's like a very minor difference between those or probably also none.

[fallow ledge]

ganz does that thing, where its sometimes a de-intensifier, like with gut, but with others an intensifier

i dont really have any examples for it, im not that familiar with it

@long whale do "das ist ganz gut" and "das ist recht gut" carry the same tone?

[steep lava]

Yeah, I've only seen ganz and richtig being used. The recht one, I've not come across.

[night dagger]

yeah p sure they are equivalents but „das ist recht gut“ might be a little outdated

[proven sphinx]

Outdated? I don't think so.

Das ist recht gut = It's pretty good.
Das ist richtig gut. = It's really good.

As Susana said, "richtig" is stronger than "recht" in this context.

[night dagger]

Would you say „das ist recht gut“ sounds more serious or something then?

[proven sphinx]

Not at all.

I think it's a perfect synonym of "ziemlich"

Es ist recht gut = Es ist ziemlich gut.

[night dagger]

lol ok I suppose the difference is too minimal then, I just asked a native about it and they said it seemed a little more stiff or serious or something

[wise pendant]

"recht" also tends to the meaning of "quite"

[proven sphinx]

In British English, perhaps.

American English usually prefers "pretty" in such contexts.

[proven sphinx]

Du siehst auch keinen echten Unterschied zwischen "recht" und "ziemlich" in diesem Kontext, oder?

[wise pendant]

Mehr oder weniger. Ziemlich scheint mir aber noch minimal stärker zu sein. Nimmt sich aber kaum was

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, ja, eventuell schon.

Vor allem, wenn man irgendwie sagt: "Er sieht schon recht alt aus" verglichen mit "Er sieht schon ziemlich alt aus", dann könntest du schon damit Recht haben, dass "ziemlich" ein bisschen stärker ist.

[wise pendant]

Hängt aber auch davon ab ob ziemlich betont wird

recht -> deutlich, merklich
ziemlich -> eindeutig über den Durchschnitt

[proven sphinx]

Ja, genau. Stimmt.

[snow bone]

Are "p", "k", and "t" aspirated after an "s"?

[glossy agate]

Hello.

Can you explain what "stell dir tor" means?

[sly ferry]

Nothing, it doesn't make sense

[fervent kernel]

You mean, stell dir vor?

[glossy agate]

Yes. With V.

I misspelled that: :help:

Stell dir vor

[scenic drift]

stell dir vor... = imagine...
stell dich vor = introduce yourself

[glossy agate]

Ok. Danke.

[icy flax]

they said "recht gut" is "just there/barely reaching + gut"
richtig is more than

[onyx rain]

I am having a little trouble when to use dative with sagen. Is it like "Ich sage dich" oder "Ich sage dir"

[icy flax]

Dir. Requires Dativ

When you have no time to check, assume that "dir" means "to you".

[blissful compass]

I say you

I say to you

Which makes more sense?

[onyx rain]

My question is when to use dich Vs dir ?

[blissful compass]

I know

[onyx rain]

I say to you

[blissful compass]

Exactly

Dir = to you

[onyx rain]

Does sagen always use dative then ?

[onyx rain]

Yes

[icy flax]

For sagen, yeah, always dativ, but then again:

"ich helfe dir".

you wouldnt say "I help to you".
Thinking "dir" as "to you" is more of a general guideline.

[onyx rain]

Danke @blissful compass und @icy flax

[blissful compass]

You could say I am providing help to someone

I suppose help in that sentence is a noun

Anyway, just think of dative as giving something away

Sending something away or whatever

The important thing is that it's going away somewhere else

That's general how I envision it with these verbs

[stone sierra]

ist es better zu sagen "deutsch ist nicht meine muttersprache" oder "deutsch ist meine muttersprache nicht"?

[fervent kernel]

Deutsch ist nicht meine Muttersprache

[unkempt axle]

"Wie lange hat das Fitnessstudio denn geöffnet?" Is geöffnet always used with haben and not sein?

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, "haben geöffnet" is much more idiomatic.

[willow socket]

what is the difference/is there a difference between geöffnet haben and offen haben?

[teal mica]

imo, geöffnet haben is a little more formal than offen haben.

offen haben is, thus, more frequently used in spoken conversation.

[willow socket]

ah okay, thanks

[willow socket]

I don’t think that is true.

Ich glaube das nicht. 😉

Das stimmt nicht.

[night dagger]

Das geht nicht.

[willow socket]

ich liebe dich nicht. 💔

[night dagger]

ich will deine Liebe nicht.

lol

[ember mason]

So was sagt man nicht!

[swift bough]

Lol what?

Das stimmt nicht.

Ba dum tsss

[novel leaf]

https://tenor.com/view/kekw-kek-bttv-twitch-emote-gif-15123134

my bad...I just did the C2 exam and for some reason I lost the ability to even think of simple short sentences

[swift bough]

In everyday life those are pretty common too

[novel leaf]

yeah if you speak german at home/school

i dont

[night dagger]

passiert :)

[opal cove]

Gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen der Benutzung von "Eines Tages" und "Irgendwann"? Wann sollte ich "Eines Tages" benutzen? Jemand hat mir gesagt, dass ich nie "Eines Tages" benutzten solle, weil es eher dichterlich/komplett altmodisch klingt

[night dagger]

ich glaub, sie sind dasselbe. aber ich denke, "eines Tages" klingt eher nach Schreiben oder so. auf jeden Fall hab ich gesehen, dass "eines Tages" verwendet wird

[novel leaf]

in welchem Kontext?

[swift bough]

Yeah I used to speak it a lot with friends just in casual conversation so

[opal cove]

Mmm.... zb: Eines Tages möchte ich dich sehen, aber jetzt geht das leider nicht. Du weißt schon, wie sehr ich beschäftigt bin.

[swift bough]

aber das geht jetzt leider nicht* klingt ein wenig besser finde ich

[novel leaf]

hmm...das stimmt ja

[swift bough]

Du weißt schon, wie beschäftigt ich bin*

oder dass ich sehr beschäftigt bin

[novel leaf]

es klingt zu formell

[swift bough]

Naja

Oder

Dass ich sehr vieles zu tun hab

[novel leaf]

irgnendwann waere besser hier

[swift bough]

Eigentlich denke ich, dass „aber jetzt geht das leider nicht“ ganz perfekt funktioniert, aber das „Jetzt“ wird damit betont

@opal cove

[night dagger]

ich würde dich gerne bald sehen, ...

[novel leaf]

sollte man nicht gerade oder so was statt jetzt sagen?

[ember mason]

Gerade - at the moment
Jetzt - now

[night dagger]

gerade geht hier nicht

[novel leaf]

i hear es geht nicht gerade here (Mannheim) all the time imo

[night dagger]

es kommt darauf an

ich denke nicht, dass es für diesen Kontext passt

[novel leaf]

In welchem Kontext denn?

[night dagger]

ich bin nur gerade aufgewacht oder so

[novel leaf]

[night dagger]

ich hab gerade meinen Computer fallen lassen

[novel leaf]

yeah...just now

[opal cove]

Eines Tages würde ich gern Berlin besuchen

Vllt? lmao

[night dagger]

stimmt

das passt

[novel leaf]

yep! so ist es perfekt 🙂

[swift bough]

Nah jetzt works

Gerade would work too

But it would mean more at this very present Moment

[night dagger]

exactly.

gerade - in this very moment
jetzt - generally, now (or something to that effecty)

for that context, well, i suppose it's a matter of taste. but if i'm writing to someone that hey, i'd like to visit you one day, but i'm very busy right now, i would choose "jetzt"

i'd like to visit you one day, but i'm very busy at this very second. - idk

feels weird

[swift bough]

Yeah jetzt can also work like that but the thing is that it doesn’t necessarily have to whereas gerade does

[night dagger]

exactly

[swift bough]

Yeah exactly

[night dagger]

yeah

exactly

lol

[swift bough]

For that context gerade sounds odd

[night dagger]

that's what i said :)

[swift bough]

I did not read up 🤣

Evidently

[night dagger]

you also said "gerade works too"

but it's whatever

they have their answer :)

[swift bough]

Yes I did, before I knew the context

[icy flax]

1. Die Gitarre ist nicht sein Hauptinstrument.
2. Die Gitarre ist sein Hauptinstrument nicht.

Beim ersten wird das Nomen negiert; beim zweiten, das Verb. Obwohl beide grammatikalisch richtig sind, kann die erste Alternativ tatsächlich so häufiger vorkommen, dass ein Deutscher mir sagte, der 2. wäre einfach falsch?! Was sagt ihr? :blush:

[delicate tiger]

Jo, 2. ist einfach falsch

[long whale]

Mm... I can sort of imagine reading the version with "nicht" at the end in a very old book (100+ years), but these days, it would sound so odd, it just seems downright wrong. :)

[glossy marsh]

Es ist auch teilweise poetisch und kommt, meiner Erfahrung nach zu Urteilen, eher dann auf, wenn ein Nebensatz folgt.

[compact flicker]

Is saying euch informal? I don't know who I'm emailing so i went with plural instead of Ihnen

[glossy marsh]

Yes, euch is informal.

What's nice about Ihnen is that it's already plural.

[compact flicker]

Oh i thought it's singular!

Thank you 👍

[glossy marsh]

In some languages, such as French, the polite you uses the plural, which also holds true for German: Sie/vous.

Ihnen is also known as the royal we (pluralis majestatis).

For one person you would use Sie, Ihnen for royalty, and Ihnen again for more than one person.

[brazen gulch]

are machen and treiben interchangeable?

[glossy marsh]

Not in every context, but in some.

[brazen gulch]

but could i say something like "was treibst du gerade?" or "ich werde das gleich treiben"

[glossy marsh]

Yes.

[brazen gulch]

ahhh cool. thank you!

[plucky portal]

welche sprachen sprechen sie

[swift bough]

Dieser Kanal ist eigentlich nur für Fragen geeignet die über die deutsche Sprache sind

[plucky portal]

Ok

[shut briar]

Hallo! Ich bin neu hier und will verstanden , work from home Wendung auf Deutsch, von zu Hause aus Arbeiten, warum sind beide von und aus hier

[glossy marsh]

It would directly translate to

From out of your home.

[shut briar]

Ahh, das ist ein bisschen kompliziert aber ich verstehe. So, wie würde ich sagen, because it is a pandemic, i have to study from home

Weil es eine Pandemie gibt, muss ich von aus zuHause lernen

[shut briar]

Richtig oder

[fallow ledge]

Its an expression, von etw aus. Its like from this place stuff is send out. Like signals and such. I guess with working from home its like you send your work from home outwards

Von shows the source of the movement and aus the direction

Some other examples include:

Ich rufe von Hamburg aus.
Die Gefangenen gruben einen unterirdischen Gang vom Keller aus

@glossy marsh is this a decent assesment of it?

[glossy marsh]

I'd say so.

[glossy marsh]

*von zu Hause aus.

[naive tundra]

Not sure If this is the correct server

But what exactly does this mean

Converting eher schwierig, BB einladung sollte überall dafür locker klappen, topliga damit erreicht

So what I understand is

Converting is rather hard, BB is possible

Is this the correct way of viewing it?

[glossy marsh]

Yes.

[naive tundra]

And what does it say exactly regarding BB

Like according to google translate it's a big possibility

It says should work loosely everywhere

[shut briar]

Icg verstehe aber in case of studying or learning, we are not sending anything anywhere. Should i still use the same expression

[fallow ledge]

Yeah thats the expression

[shut briar]

Dankke

[dry lava]

Hallo. Sind die alle Sätze grammatikalisch richtig?

1. Max sagt, sie komme morgen
2. Max sagt, sie wird morgen kommen
3. Max sagt, sie kommt morgen

Ich weiß, dass man Konjuktiv I in dieser Situation benutzt, aber kann ich das auch mit Präsens oder Futur sagen?

Uch kann ich auch sagen "Max sagt, dass sie morgen komme"?

[frigid garnet]

Ja sagen kannst du das alles

[frigid garnet]

Ja

[dry lava]

Danke

[fervent kernel]

Ja richtig

Beim ersten kommen*