questions-2

[signal cipher]

These are options. There is not just sollten

[acoustic tendon]

same as english (should) so shouldn't be too shocking

"should you change your mind, i'll be at the hotel"

[fervent kernel]

Ah, I get it now
Thanks

[plush pelican]

von der Reise or vor der Reise?

This sentence is a hidden "wenn" clause.

Wenn Sie kurzfristig vor der Reise zurücktreten sollten...
Sollten Sie kurzfristig vor der Reise zurücktreten...

With a "wenn" clause, you can optionally move the conjugated verb to where the "wenn" is, and omit "wenn" altogether.

This is a Partizipialsatz, the thing where a Relativsatz fits into the space of an adjective. The "sich" is not part of the main clause at all.

Das Gehirn muss im Schlaf Bedürfnisse in Einklang bringen, die sich widersprechen.

= sich widersprechende Bedürfnisse

Needs that contradict each other. In other words, it is trying to fulfill multiple goals that work at cross-purpose to each other. To achieve one goal, that actually hurts achieving the other. The brain tries to find a compromise between these and satisfy all of the needs at least a bit (because it cannot fulfill all of them fully, as they are at cross-purposes).

Another example:

Der Mann, der schnell läuft, macht Sport.

=

Der schnell laufende Mann macht Sport.

[fervent kernel]

Das war mein Fehler. "Vor der Reise"

[delicate tiger]

geht beides "von etwas zurücktreten" (was gemeint war) oder "kurz vor der Reise sein Amt niederlegen"

[north delta]

Hallo

[signal cipher]

Sofern is more cool. More formal.

[hushed dawn]

Alles Klar ! Thank you Argus

[umbral idol]

Hi! I've just started learning german and I don't seem to get the difference between ich bin and mir ist, if anyone could help?

[plush pelican]

You mean for things like "Mir ist heiß", "Ich bin hungrig"?

[umbral idol]

Exactly

When should I use each one?

[plush pelican]

"Mir ist" is literally like "for me, it is X"

Frustratingly, German doesn't seem to have clear rules about when to use one versus the other

certain conditions use one, certain use the other, sometimes you can do both to express the same thing

[plain umbra]

The basic idea is that when you use "ich bin", you're basically saying that trait/adjective applies to yourself. Using "mir ist" is more like saying that that thing is affecting you.

So like, "Mir ist kalt" for example, you're not saying your own body is cold in temperature. You're saying the air around you is cold. Like ice is cold but your body is not cold in the same way as ice.

[umbral idol]

Ohhhhh I see

So basically for some things you can guess it depending on if it's sth that affects you or a condition that affects you. I guess when I learn more I'll just kinda know?

[plain umbra]

Yeah. You can learn it by seeing how people say different things.

[umbral idol]

At first I thought it was like in spanish and one meant "ser" and the other one "estar" but I see it has nothing to do with that hahaha

[plain umbra]

And it's always fine to ask when you're not sure.

[umbral idol]

Sure it is!

Thank you so much!!

[plush pelican]

I don't think that's true

Here's one conversation about it: https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/51oabu/ich_bin_or_mir_ist/

[plain umbra]

A good example if "langweilig", which means "boring".

Ich bin langweilig. = I am boring.
Mir ist langweilig. = I am bored. (It's boring for me.)

[plush pelican]

One example given:

"mir ist kalt" can mean both "the air temperature is cold" and "I am starting to shiver because I'm getting sick"

[rich prism]

Could someone explain this pleass

[plush pelican]

explain which part? the entire concept of passive voice?

[rich prism]

No

What am I supposed to do

[plain umbra]

It seems like you have to put in the forms for the verb anbraten.

[rich prism]

What about he other one

Under zustandpassiv

[plush pelican]

looks like you do the same thing, only with Zustandspassiv?

I don't know what "O." is

but that's the noun, the thing being browned, I guess.

[rich prism]

Whatever I'll just skip it

[signal cipher]

I didn’t understand what you didn’t understand, understand?

[umbral idol]

Ohhh I see. Thank you so much!!

[hushed dawn]

"Das alles klingt banal"
banal mean trivial ? or does it mean common/known ?

[long whale]

In all probability, it was "von": 4. https://www.dwds.de/wb/zurücktreten#d-1-4-1

[long whale]

Sort of like "uninteresting, because it's so obvious"

[long whale]

Presumably, you had to sort given verbs (from a text?) into the right slots, for either Vorgangspassiv or Zustandspassiv?

[wet dawn]

Wäre folgender Satz eine gebräuchliche Formulierung ... um eine gemeinsame Eigenschaft der Bereichen (eines Parks, zB) zu beschreiben?
Allen Bereichen gemeinsam sind verschiedene Vergnügungsattraktionen, Fahrgeschäfte.

[delicate tiger]

nicht wirklich falsch, aber auch nicht üblich

[wet dawn]

Danke Hilarious, der Satz kommt aus einem Text der 'Deutsche Welle - Alltagsdeutsch', angeblich für C1-C2 Sprachler - eber er schien mir etwas an den Haaren herbeigezogen zu sein!

[long whale]

*der Bereiche (no -n) (in your question) ;)

[wet dawn]

ooops, das hätte ich wissen sollen!

[jade hawk]

The simplest way would be "Das ist mein Zimmer"

[shut sable]

Heeey. Ich habe nur C1 Lesen Modul zu bestehen aber ich habe viele Probleme 😦 Ich erreiche nur 40-50% - die größten Schwierigkeiten habe ich mit Umschreibungen. Ich verstehe den Großteil des Textes und den Kontext ;/ Haben Sie vielleicht ein paar gute Bücher oder Websites mit Übungen zu diesem Modul?

[long whale]

Here's one: https://deutschlernerblog.de/

[shut sable]

Danke!!

[tidal coyote]

Heyy guys, im going to take Goethe c1 exam in this summer. Is there anyone in this group preparing for this exam

I have some questions about schreiben topics, if yes pls contact me

[fervent kernel]

Die faulen Studenten, die sich in ihrer Freizeit lieber mit anderen Dingen beschäftigen, haben Morgen einen Test .

If I wanna form this sentence as a Partizipialsatz
Would it be like this?
Die faulen sich in ihrer Freizeit lieber mit anderen Dingen beschäftigenden Studenten haben Morgen einen Test.

[long whale]

*morgen = tomorrow; Morgen = morning. Comma after "faulen", and it would be theoretically valid, as in: correct, grammar-wise. However, it seems wholly unidiomatic to me.

[plush pelican]

Keep in mind, Partizipialsätze are kind of rare outside of like, formal scientific papers and stuff.

Precisely because they make the sentence structure so complicated

You will occasionally see some in the news or wikipedia articles, but even those tend to be shorter Partizipialsätze, with like maybe 3 or 4 words in the spot of the adjective

[signal cipher]

I think they are good to avoid double relative clauses

[fervent kernel]

It's just the question...
I don't think my german is good enough to even try to form this in a convo.

[plush pelican]

Fair enough. You just have to be careful not to use stuff that sounds weird to natives when not in the right context for it, 😄

[long whale]

I'd be very surprised indeed to hear a Partizipialsatz in a conversation. In a lecture at university, yes, but otherwise...

[serene mountain]

Is the verb 'am/are' an irregular verb?

Eg I am tired, you are tired, he/she/is tired, we are tired, you (Plural) are tired and they are tired

If so, is 'Sie' used for all all verbs of They as well as She?

[plush pelican]

Do you mean the verb "sein" in German, is it irregular? If so, the answer is yes

[sage canyon]

Sein, is irregular, yes. Sie is used for: she, they, and formal you

[plush pelican]

capitalization is important here:

sie: she
sie: they
Sie: you, formal, could be either singular OR plural

[serene mountain]

This is my next point, surely you plural would just be they then?

[frigid perch]

Why not just switch all pronunciation to "sie" at this point?

[plush pelican]

you can distinguish between sie "she" and sie "they" because sie "she" uses the same conjugation as "er", so like

er ist (he is)
sie ist (she is)

whereas sie "they" uses the conjugation for 3rd person plural

sie sind (they are)

Sie sind = you (formal, singular or plural)

Of course, at the beginning of a sentence, the first word is capitalized, so if you see "Sie sind" at the beginning of a sentence, that could be "they" or "you (formal, singular)" or "you (formal, plural)"

[plush pelican]

To put it into perspective: "y'all" is you, plural. Do you think "y'all" = "they"?

when we say "you, plural", we are talking directly at the group of people and addressing them.
when we say "they", we are talking to a different person about the group of people.

[serene mountain]

Well, that's just awful slang imo but I would understand that y'all means all of you/they

[plush pelican]

no

y'all does not equal they

Y'all are lazy.
They are lazy.

I am calling you, Cheese, lazy in the first sentence. I'm not including you in the second sentence.

[sage canyon]

y’all = you all = you (plural, informal) = ihr (auf Deutsch)

[serene mountain]

See, I would disagree. If I said 'Y'all' are lazy, I would not consider myself included due to the context of the situation.

Y'all is just a shortened version of 'You (are) all'

[plush pelican]

which includes the person you are speaking at

[serene mountain]

So one does not include the subject but the other one does?

[plush pelican]

Let me draw you a picture

[serene mountain]

[sage canyon]

You = speaking directly at someone
They = speaking or describing what a group of people are doing indirectly without addressing them

You are all buying books (direct address)

They are buying books (describing others actions without directly approaching them)

[serene mountain]

So if you are speaking to them, you use the first one but if you are addressing a third party, you use the second one?

[sage canyon]

Yes, exactly!

Wait, the third party addressing is in the sense of describing what they’re doing, without addressing them directly

[serene mountain]

Ok, right. So which one is you as the person I am speaking to is included and you as a third party?

[plush pelican]

"Sie (you, formal, plural)" includes blue and red

"sie (they)" includes only red

[serene mountain]

Yep, I understand it now thank you

See, you do not really think about this when speaking

[plush pelican]

"ihr (you, informal, plural)" includes blue and red

[serene mountain]

It's only when you actually bother to learn a language do you notice these nuances

[plush pelican]

Sie vs. ihr is formal vs. informal "you"

both address blue and red, but "ihr" is informal, and "Sie" is formal

Btw, what's your native language, @serene mountain ?

[serene mountain]

Could you just use Sie the entire time?

[serene mountain]

English

[plush pelican]

Thou couldst, but it would come off as rather odd.

There are specific times to address someone formally vs. informally

[serene mountain]

Honestly, considering how many spelling mistakes or grammatical errors I have made, you probably would not think I am English. I guess that's what happens when you bother to study German from 10pm until midnight lol

[plush pelican]

This is a topic you can look up on YouTube

[serene mountain]

🤷‍♂️

[serene mountain]

Yeah, I will

[latent wadi]

Its used a lot in Harry Potters German translation

[plush pelican]

yeah, novels use a much more complicated language than regular speech

😅

[charred shuttle]

What is the most used German Bible? Like the most common?

[long whale]

For Protestants, it used to be Luther's bible, die Lutherbibel from 1534 or so (think King James bible). It has now been "updated" various times, language-wise, but the version they now use, die Einheitsübersetzung from 2016 or so is still based on Luther's version.

That's the version being read in protestant churches these days. Otherwise, people will have the bible they got given at some point during their lives, or they've kept their grandfather's bible, or whatever.

[charred shuttle]

Can you help me which one? @long whale

[long whale]

Oops, let me amend the above: those are the versions recommended by the EKD (~ protestant church in Germany): https://www.ekd.de/bibelausgaben-im-ueberblick-12389.htm, where the 1st one (revised Lutherbibel) is the one being read in churches and at schools, the 2nd one, Einheitsübersetzung being recommended for bible reading groups.

The one you're looking for might be the 3rd from the bottom: LUTheute.

[tiny scaffold]

@bleak shuttle I can help you in this channel if you want, the other is too busy

[bleak shuttle]

:D. Vielen Dank

I mostly just need some explain on how and when to use what word, since I aren't use to the rhyme yet

[charred shuttle]

That's the one being read in churches?

[tiny scaffold]

Do you understand how to use der/die/das as articles?

Der Mann = the man
Die Frau = the woman
Das Kind = the child

[long whale]

It might be. Can't see the year it was published, I just went by the name and the fact that some of the others do show a date, meaning they're quite old.

[bleak shuttle]

Oh I already know the basic of it

And mostly just need to memory it every time I learn a new noun

[tiny scaffold]

Yeah, learn it as part of the noun

It's just memorization

[charred shuttle]

There's no Genesis 😅

[bleak shuttle]

My problem right now is to understand when the word would change
Like a more long complicated word would write differently, like the example I said before on the other questions server
It quite confusion

[tiny scaffold]

Do you have an example? It sounds like you're struggling with the case system

[long whale]

Yes, seems to be just the new testament. 🤷

[tiny scaffold]

Der Mann ist hier
Ich sehe den Mann
Ich gebe dem Mann einen Ball

[hardy shuttle]

der mann is klug

[bleak shuttle]

Yeah here

'ist da' and when I write more it turn to 'Gibt es ein'

Like there two way to write it??

And what is the rule about it?

[acoustic breach]

To say "is there ....", it's "gibt es ... (Literally: Does it gives...)

[bleak shuttle]

Ohhh

[acoustic breach]

Turn it into a statement:

There is a car
Es gibt ein Auto

[tiny scaffold]

If you're asking why sometimes the verb comes first, it's because it's a question

''Gibt es ein Auto?'' = is there a car?
''Ja, es gibt ein Auto!'' = yes, there is a car!

[acoustic breach]

Maybe this could help

https://www.sprachschule-aktiv-muenchen.de/en/es-gibt-da-ist-da-sind-there-its-definition-explanation-in-english/#:~:text='Das ist%2F Das sind',Search

I may be wrong, but "da ist" sounds to me more like "something is there"

[bleak shuttle]

I mostly struggle when the word start turning to something else

[acoustic breach]

Conjugation?
Like
Ich bin, du bist, er/sie/es ist

[tiny scaffold]

Yeah he struggles with irregular verb conjugations like ''haben''

The verb ''to be'' (sein) is irregular too

It's irregular in many inflected languages, actually

[bleak shuttle]

Nah nah, 'haben' have rule, it surrounds the word 'haben' only with change like habe, hast, hat. One you understand it get easier
But haben wasn't the only works, and there so so many more like the word das and diese
'Ich muss mich erinnern' why is 'Mich' in there??

[acoustic breach]

You said in #beginner-german that you just started German yesterday, correct?

[bleak shuttle]

Yes

[plush pelican]

Reflexive pronoun used for a reflexive verb.

It's a grammar topic you can look up. "German reflexive verbs"

[bleak shuttle]

I just need to know if there a general rule? Or you just had to memories it all

[tiny scaffold]

That's called a reflexive verb. The verb is ''sich errinern'' (to remember [itself])

Ich muss mich errinern = I must remember (for myself)

[long whale]

Well... there is a difference in the way we use "es gibt" (which seems to be more like "there exist/s", resp. "there is/are on offer") and the way English uses "there is/are". E.g. auf dem Tisch gibt es eine Zeitung sounds entirely unidiomatic to me. 🤷

[bleak shuttle]

Well at least there an explanation

[tiny scaffold]

If there's something you can count on in German, is that there is an explanation for everything

[acoustic breach]

I see
Because within half an hour you asked a about many different topic, and they arent basic topics for a day 2 learner 😅

Just imo

[bleak shuttle]

That exactly what I need

[tiny scaffold]

Yeah, reflexive verbs are not for beginners at all

[bleak shuttle]

Maybe but learning the rule and explanation would help me a lot to understand the mindset coming from the language, like a baby slowly adapting to it

[tiny scaffold]

Yes, I'm a big fan of learning the basic grammar rules. It helps me to think about why something works

[acoustic breach]

So would you say "auf dem Tisch ist es eine Zeitung"?

[tiny scaffold]

Using ''da'' I think. She told me about this once

You use ''da ist'' for items in the room with you, because ''es gibt'' is theoretical

[acoustic breach]

Auf dem Tisch ist da eine Zeitung?

[tiny scaffold]

I believe so

[acoustic breach]

Theoretical as in?
Like something is supposed to exist?
"Es gibt Leute in Europa"?

[tiny scaffold]

Exactly

[acoustic breach]

[tiny scaffold]

''There are many cars in Europe'' vs ''there are these many cars on this street''

[bleak shuttle]

I do been learn some of the simple words stuff from Duolingo
Like Kaffee, Milch, und oder
Hallo und tschüss
And more from other websites
Simple stuff so I can practice by playing spotting thing with my eye like Auto, rot Auto, Baum
I Try to remember the ABC Song first

[acoustic breach]

I wanted to explore the difference between es gibt and es ist/sind but i gtg

[bleak shuttle]

This probably gonna take years

[tiny scaffold]

Tchüssi

[tiny scaffold]

Follow this

faq beginner

[stoic mauve]

How to get started

The simplest way to learn German is to find topics you don’t understand yet and search for explanations of them. This list provides you with a guide for which topics to learn if you are completely new to German. Type the topic into Google (or YouTube) and start learning!

Introduction

1: Alphabet (especially ä, ü, ö and ß)
2: Basic greetings (hello, goodbye, etc.)

Part 1 - Simple Sentence

1: Noun gender & plurals
2: Nominative case (What are cases?)
3: Nominative pronouns (I, you, he, she, etc.)
4: Verbs in present tense
5: Definite/indefinite articles
6: Accusative case (for nouns)
7: Accusative pronouns
8: Word order of simple sentences
9: How to ask questions

See Part 2 on the next page.

Tips

• Always learn the gender of a noun when you learn a new noun
• Learn to use a translation dictionary (e.g. dict.cc, leo.org)
• Use >faq resources to see our list of German learning resources
• For listening and pronunciation practice, try watching movies or videos (incl. YouTube)
• You can listen to pronunciation for words on websites like dict.cc, forvo.com, and others
• Practice writing sentences every day (and asking people to correct them)
• Ask as many questions as possible
• Don’t be scared to make mistakes!!!! If you don’t let yourself make mistakes, you will never be able to learn German

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[long whale]

No, of course not. What's the "es" doing in there? Otherwise, yes. Or "liegt".

[acoustic breach]

Overcomplicated it by thinking of "es ist eine Zeitung auf dem Tisch" 😅

[bleak shuttle]

I gotta goes do something now, so one last question, how much time would you recommend on studies German everyday?

[tiny scaffold]

30 minutes to an hour, daily or every other day

[bleak shuttle]

Do you think Duolingo is a good app to use? Or do you have any recommendations?

[tiny scaffold]

Learn and use German in #beginner-german and over time your comprehension will improve

[tiny scaffold]

faq duolingo

[stoic mauve]

Duolingo

Duolingo is a decent resource to start with if you're a complete beginner, but it's neither efficient nor comprehensive!

What Duolingo will teach you about grammar is very limited, and none of the systems they use will help you practise much of it.
You can learn some vocabulary with it, but their method (based on the concept of spaced repetition) doesn't work for everybody, and the way Duolingo teaches is not very effective compared to the amount of time it requires from you.

So, if you find it useful, by all means keep using it, but remember not to fall for its gamification of language learning, and move past it when it stops being beneficial. Ignore the streaks.

In any case, keep in mind that Duolingo is not enough to learn a language, ever.

If you're looking for guidance or alternatives, check out >faq beginner in our #botchannel .

[tiny scaffold]

Duolingo is good for beginning vocabulary, but does NOT teach grammar

[bleak shuttle]

Danke und tschüss:]

[charred shuttle]

Ok I've marked green every version that has full books of the Bible and no titles or added subtexts etc.

Which one is the most common? I'm guessing it's the Lutherbibel 1912 but idk if it's alr outdated or what

[long whale]

I think it might be the ELBBK one. Trust me, you don't want a version from 1912, and better not read one from 1951, either.

[charred shuttle]

Why not ELB?

[long whale]

From 1871? You're joking, right?

[charred shuttle]

ELB71 is 1871, not ELB

[long whale]

Ah - that one. It says "unrevidierte Fassung" = unrevised

[charred shuttle]

Oh I see. Thank you very much!

Oh and I didn't know that in German from Genesis to Deuteronomy is referred to as 1.-5. Mose. Very interesting

[long whale]

Mose or Moses ;)

At least to my knowledge.

[charred shuttle]

Oop my bad yes it's Mose

[bleak vale]

is there any website which can give me examples to understand if i write any word

[fervent kernel]

Der Nutzen dieser Oberschulen für das Militär
If I want to verbalize this
Would it be
Man nutzt die Oberschulen für das Militär or Die Militär nutzt die Oberschulen
The "für" in the original "sentence" confused me a bit

[acoustic breach]

you mean like a dictionary with example sentences?

[bleak vale]

yeah or website

[signal cipher]

Tatoeba

[acoustic breach]

Duden

[bleak vale]

yeah or website

[acoustic breach]

Tatoeba is a website
Duden has a website

[jade hawk]

Can one use Schleudertrauma in the figurative sense (shock/surprise from something sudden), like we can with whiplash in English?

[long whale]

Maybe... jokingly? Not normally, though.

[long whale]

Ehh - no. You need to look at this differently. The military isn't using those schools, those schools are of use to the military.

[fervent kernel]

So I should use the passive tense right?

[long whale]

No, why?

[fervent kernel]

I thought I should use passive because of "are of use" but I'll think about it again

[light pawn]

whats the difference of mir and ich??

[long whale]

mir is Dativ, ich is Nominativ.

[light pawn]

ah, thank you

[hushed dawn]

Er hat sich ausgerechnet die Sache angeguckt, auf die nur die wenigsten verzichten wollen, das Fliegen.

what meaning does ausgerechnet has ?

[bleak vale]

ich bin der Meinung, Der Veranstalter und Die Veranstalterin sollten nicht im Museum ihre Konzertevent veranstalten (is it correct, don't look for perfect)

[long whale]

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/ausgerechnet He chose to look at flying, of all things!

[bleak vale]

would (veranstalten) would ve replace with > abhalten?

[bleak vale]

what would be the right version of it?

would it be, Der Veranstalter und Veranstalterin des Musikevents sollten nicht im Kunstmuseum ihr Konzertevents stattfinden?

[long whale]

This is now worse: jemand veranstaltet etwas (or jd hält etwas ab), but etwas findet statt

[bleak vale]

.

would it be, Der Veranstalter und Veranstalterin sollten nicht im Kunstmuseum ihr Musikevents abhlaten müssen?

[long whale]

der doesn't work as an article for Veranstalterin, check ending of ihr, change word order according to TeKaMoLo.

[bleak vale]

Der Veranstalter und die Veranstalterin sollten nicht im Kunstmuseum ihre Musikevents abhlaten müssen?
or
Das Musikevents Der Veranstalterinnen sollten nicht im Kunstmuseum abhalten müssen?

[rich prism]

what is the function of müssen here?

does it mean to they shouldnt have to

[long whale]

They shouldn't be obliged to do this.

[bleak vale]

is it right now?

[rich prism]

i think musikevents should be before kunstmuseum

kunstmuseum is the place

tekamoLO.

[bleak vale]

not important

[rich prism]

tekamolo is important

[bleak vale]

as i saidn, it doesn't have to be perfect but correct grammatically, but some people say tekamolo isn't obiligatory.

or is it?

[rich prism]

its best to follow it

[bleak vale]

is it obiligatory?

[rich prism]

i dont know

but its best to follow it

[bleak vale]

where can i learn that from?

[echo sleet]

You should follow it

[rich prism]

https://youtu.be/NDrNwaDwqJA?si=zgDytn8z_fdQvWKH

[bleak vale]

the 2nd sentence has tekamolo?

[echo sleet]

not that all germams apply it, personally I've never heard of tekamolo and I just go by feeling but a learner can't do that ofc

[rich prism]

lokal should be last

[bleak vale]

how would i use tekamolo in that sentence

there's no wann, wie or etc

[rich prism]

put kunstmuseum last

before the verbs ofc

because it is the Where(LOkal)

[bleak vale]

that's all?

the change

[rich prism]

yes i think

[bleak vale]

was ist Die EDV?

IT?

[rich prism]

?

[bleak vale]

is it I-T

what's the difference between (Die Leitung und Das Management)

is it a word (Das Zerrissenkleidungkonzept)?

or it's, Das zerrissene Kleidungkonzept?

[light pawn]

how does one say "3 2 1 go" in german

and whats the difference between native speaker and C2

[bleak vale]

nothing, C2 speaker knows more grammer than native speaker

[rich prism]

a native speaker is someone who grew up speaking german, its their 1st language. c2 is a level achieved by someone who doesnt have german as their 1st language, they have the same level, basically

[light pawn]

ah alright thanks

[wet dawn]

Übertragene Bedeutung von "neben den Schuhen stehen"; wiktionary sagt -> erschöpft sein
Aber, gibt's andere Bedeutungen?

[hushed dawn]

] Die Macher des Experiments erklären sich das so: ......

why is the it reflexiv ?

Der walisische Klimawissenschaftler Steve Westlake hat die Kraft der sozialen Normen auf persönliche Klimamaßnahmen hin untersucht
"hin" is just a confirmation that it is toward Klimamaßnahmen?

[long whale]

Because if you're looking for an explanation, and you make one up/invent one/think you've found one, you'll say "Ich erkläre mir das so..." or "Ich kann mir das nur so erklären..." - basically: I'm explaining it to myself

[long whale]

X (Akk) auf Y (Akk) hin untersuchen - you're looking at X to see whether you'll find Y (Der Arzt hat den Patienten auf X hin untersucht = The doctor examined the patient to find out whether he had/was suffering from Y), or you're trying to find out whether/how X and Y are related. I guess you could say the "hin" translates to sth like "as regards" or "in regard of". 🤔

[signal cipher]

Does fin has a meaning in Finsternis

[delicate tiger]

Finster-nis

dark-ness

[signal cipher]

I am asking because Stern is star

Maybe lack of star. Darkness. There isn’t even star light

[delicate tiger]

The "Stern" is a coincidence, not part of the word

[signal cipher]

Danke schönnis

Verwickeln
Verstricken

Unterschied?

[plush pelican]

Hast du das gegoogelt?

Anscheinend kann man sowohl "in etwas verwickelt sein" als auch "in etwas verstricken sein" sagen; da sind sie Synonyme

https://www.gutefrage.net/frage/was-bedeutet-in-etwas-verstrickt-sein

[signal cipher]

If you decide to answer or not according to this question, assume that I didn’t search on Google every time. Don’t ask same thing every time I ask about vocabulary. I can do whatever I want, if doesn’t break any rule.

And no rule says use here only if it’s last option.

[acoustic breach]

Bro asked nicely and also gave you a link

[signal cipher]

He does that every time

Doing something single time and every time is different.

[plush pelican]

I mean, maybe you should start by googling next time, 😛

There's similarly no rule that says I can't ask you whether you've googled every time.

[signal cipher]

Etchic says don’t treat people like they do something wrong when they don’t.

[acoustic breach]

By asking whether you googled, he can also know how much you know about the difference:

Not googling- sending information that explains from 0

Googled? Explains about what specifically wasnt understood

[signal cipher]

Okay test everyone who ask. Learn how much they know and accord your answer according to that. My question is basic. What is the difference.

Anyone who wants to answer can answer, anyone who don’t can omit.

He is a smart person, what he means is clear. He means don’t ask things which you can easily find on google.

[plush pelican]

I mean "don't ask me to do work that you could do yourself"

[signal cipher]

I don’t ask to “You”. I ask in a general channel. I don’t force anyone to answer. Everyone can answer or omit.

If I tag you, you are right. But I don’t.

[acoustic tendon]

bruh

[acoustic tendon]

gutefrage.net ist der Hammer

quora for germans

[long whale]

@plush pelican Please have an extra large

🏅

for your incredible patience!

❤️

[rich prism]

Where can I find a very good explanation on konjunktiv ii

Pls

I'm so lost

[long whale]

I take it the link I sent you didn't help. Hmm. Could you be a little more specific, perhaps? Things are quiet here right now, we could have a nice, relaxed chat about KII, if you like.

[rich prism]

The only thing I understand about konjunktiv ii is Wünsche

Nothing else

I've spent the whoooole of today

Trying to grasp it

[long whale]

Okay. What about politeness? As in "Could you...?", "Would you...?"

[rich prism]

Ok yes I get that part too

And bedingungen

Very simple ones

Wenn ich ein Millionärin wäre, dann würde ich ein größes Haus kaufen

Things like that

But I was was practicing writing, I wrote,
Meine Lebensqualität wäre besser, wenn es nicht so viele Autos gibt

Then I was corrected to gäbe

Why

[long whale]

Because, as you can see in the millionaire sentence, for a hypothetical situation, both parts of the sentence require KII, or, if that's unusual/looks like Präteritum, "würde".

[rich prism]

hmm

Ehat if the verb doesn't have a direct KII

[long whale]

See, KII for "kaufen" is "ich kaufte", i.e. same as Präteritum -> use "würde kaufen", instead.

[long whale]

That - you use "würde + infinitive"

[long whale]

Or what exactly do you mean by "doesn't have a direct KII"?

[rich prism]

Ich würde sie mehr mögen, wenn sie mich nicht so viel beleidigte
Or ich würde sie mehr mögen, wenn sie mich nicht so viel beleidigen würde

[charred harbor]

In English we have a similar thing:
-> I’d go if there isn’t so many cars (weird, right? no one would say this)
-> I’d go if there weren’t so many cars (see? hypothetical tense, effectively)

The “gäbe” equates to the “weren’t”

[rich prism]

hmm

[rich prism]

Which one?

[rich prism]

Like können = könnten
Müssen = müssten, do all of them change like this

[acoustic tendon]

they do say that these days sadly

[charred harbor]

Non-native speakers most likely lol

[long whale]

1st is definitely correct, grammar-wise. 2nd, you'll hear, but we dislike the double "würde", so, we'd go for sth like "Ich hätte sie lieber, wenn sie ... so oft beleidigen würde.

[rich prism]

Ohh

So how do you know when to use the -te or würde + infinitiv

Do they both mean the exact same thing

[long whale]

sollen - sollten, wollen - wollten, dürfen - dürften - except for "mögen", whose KII is "möchten" (which is why they're sometimes listed as separate verbs).

[long whale]

Yep.

[charred harbor]

Btw there’s a few minor mistakes in this sentence

[long whale]

Just one, as far as I can see - you'd remove the indef. article altogether. ;)

[rich prism]

So just Millionärin

[charred harbor]

The adjective

I almost missed it too

[long whale]

Oh yes! größeres (bigger)

[rich prism]

So, if I was asking why didn't you like her (relating to the past) or why don't you like her(still don't like her) which is suitable

[rich prism]

What if its just a big house, not bigger

[charred harbor]

Yeah, or just “großes” if you meant big house

[long whale]

You do know how to conjugate "mögen", don't you? I mean, there's always verbformen.de if you want to check... ;)

[charred harbor]

My biggest confusion was the “ein” because I wasn’t sure if you meant to say Millionär or Millionärin

[acoustic tendon]

Wait i meant "aren't", instead of "weren't", in your example it was "isn't". it's definitely a thing natives do too.

[long whale]

I mean "möchten" = would like, as in "would like to have"

[rich prism]

i am confused

[charred harbor]

Oh yeah, good point, I probably should’ve said “aren’t”. Whoops.
Anyway tbh I’ve never heard that before as a native speaker lol

[long whale]

Look, "mögen" (to like, to almost-love) changes its meaning when it's put into KII (this is why it sometimes shows up as a different verb). Because "möchten" is a softer version of "to want".

@rich prism

[rich prism]

Ok I do understand that

[long whale]

So, I like Tom = Ich mag Tom. I liked Tom = Ich mochte Tom. I'd like to have Tom = Ich möchte Tom, because, ehh 👀

I would like Tom (better) if his jokes weren't so bad = Ich würde Tom lieber mögen OR Ich hätte Tom lieber, wenn seine Witze nicht so schlecht wären.

[rich prism]

So if you wanted to refer to the past

Like

I would have liked Tom better, if his jokes weren't so bad

How does it change

[long whale]

Ich hätte Tom lieber gemocht/gehabt, wenn seine Witze nicht so schlecht gewesen wären.

[rich prism]

Ohk

But, this sentence
ich hätte mehr Freizeit, wenn ich im Studium nicht so viel hätte lernen müssen.

What is this

[long whale]

This is extremely weird. I would have more free time (now!) if I hadn't had to study so much at university (in the past!)

-> To me, this doesn't make sense, I'm afraid. 🤷

[rich prism]

Oh wait

There's a gehabt

After Freizeit

[long whale]

I would have had more free time if I hadn't had to study so much at university

[rich prism]

Why so many hätte

Why not würde gehabt

Or is that the way it is for the past

Hätten + partizip 2

[acoustic tendon]

doesn't that thing have a name, the double infintive thing

[long whale]

Because we don't much like würde sein, würde haben (or würde wollen/sollen/müssen/können/dürfen, for that matter).

[rich prism]

Ok

What about the second hätten

What verb is it for

[long whale]

It's needed, because "ich müsste" = I would have to = present meaning. But we want past meaning, see? -> ich hätte + verb + müssen

[acoustic tendon]

on second thought, you're most likely right, I'm confusing the I were ---> I was shift with what you described.

[rich prism]

Ohh

Ok, when in the 1st sentence

[charred harbor]

Ah yeah I know that one haha
I hear that one a lot

[rich prism]

Its a verb that uses sein

Instead of haben

Like gehen

Do you use wären

Like I would have gone with you, if...

Ich wäre mit dir gegangen,.?

Ohh

Hmm

Thank you!!!!

I understand

Finally 🌚

[rich prism]

One more thing

[long whale]

Yes...?

[rich prism]

If I were to

Like, if I were to go

It is
Wenn ich gehen würde?

[long whale]

That works, yes. "Wenn ich ginge..." is also used, though.

[rich prism]

Ohk

How about

If I were to be

Like If I were to be kidnapped

I mean

[long whale]

Wenn ich entführt [werden] würde...

[rich prism]

Or if I were to be chosen

werden Is optional?

[long whale]

Wenn ich gewählt [werden] würde... - That is an extremely interesting question we had an extremely long convo about a couple of months ago.

I feel it's optional. Grammar books tend to disagree with me there, though.

[rich prism]

Okayy

[long whale]

You can usually avoid it by making an active sentence, though: Wenn mich jemand entführen würde... Wenn die Leute mich wählen würden...

(Btw, I automatically went for "If I were to be elected", since "chosen" = erwählt sounds kind of... religious/rare to me.)

[rich prism]

Oh ok

2nd

If she were....

For example

If she were aware of the consequences, she wouldn't have done it

[plush pelican]

I'd side with you over that grammar book, considering we got the opinions of like 7 natives, and nobody actually agreed with the answers the book gave.

also, I noticed other issues with that book as I was working through it

[long whale]

Ehh... Not "If she had been aware..."? Because this is present meaning in the first part, right? But hypothetical past in the 2nd.

[plush pelican]

🤔 I think this is English doing that same thing that German does, where instead of using the proper tense, we use another tense instead 😛

[rich prism]

Well yes

[long whale]

Well, you've chosen kind of a complicated construction, so, here it is: Wenn sie sich der Konsequenzen bewusst gewesen wäre, hätte sie es nicht getan.

[rich prism]

I'll leave that for now 🌚

[long whale]

"sich einer Sache (Genitiv) bewusst sein" = to be aware of sth

[plush pelican]

Could you do, "Wäre sie sich der Konsequenzen bewusst, hätte sie es nicht getan"?

[long whale]

Well, isn't it kind of weird? How does it make sense?

[plush pelican]

Because in the English, we can use the tenses like that, 😄

[long whale]

Seems like "I would buy a car if I had had money" to me. 🤷

[plush pelican]

It's like all the times people ask, "Wait, why are Germans using present tense here instead of future tense"?

[rich prism]

Ok,
If I were better at math, I would be an engineer
Wenn ich besser in Mathe wäre, würde ich ein Ingenieur sein

[long whale]

Remember? We don't like "würde sein". It's "wäre".

[plush pelican]

no indefinite article before job titles. Also, you could do the feminine form, Ingeniuerin

also, "würde + sein" = wäre

[rich prism]

Hmmmmm

[plush pelican]

(I assume you identify as female based on your profile pic, 😅 )

[long whale]

And we'd rather go for either "Wenn ich besser in Mathe wäre (now, resp. in general), würde ich Ingenieurin werden (I'd become an engineer)" or "Wenn ich besser in Mathe wäre, wäre ich Ingenieurin geworden" (... I'd have become an engineer)

[plush pelican]

What about, "Wenn ich besser in Mathe gewesen wäre, wäre ich Ingenieurin"?

If I had been better in math, I would be an engineer.

[long whale]

... geworden. 🤷 Seems incomplete without it. Or... I guess you could put in "jetzt".

[plush pelican]

...seems maybe I haven't learned all that I need to about this yet, 😅

[rich prism]

If she had studied harder, she would have passed the exam.
Wenn sie mehr gelernt hätte, würde sie die Prüfung bestanden...?

[plush pelican]

"would have" is not "würde"

[long whale]

Wrong auxiliary. ;)

bestehen doesn't work with sein

[plush pelican]

würde = would
hätte = would have

[rich prism]

🫠

[plush pelican]

I think here it's worth pointing out the connection:

With Perfekt tense, you have some verbs that use "haben" as an auxiliary, and some that use "sein", right?

Ich habe gespielt

Ich bin gegangen

When you convert those to Konjunktiv 2, it's much like that, but with umlauts, 😄

Ich hätte gespielt

Ich wäre gegangen

so you can see there's a parallel between what auxiliary verb the verb uses with Perfekt, and which one to use with Konjunktiv 2

that makes things easier, 😄

[rich prism]

It's because in english it's would have passed... idk as soon as I see would that = würde

[plush pelican]

Yeah, so you will run into some issues here with Konjunktiv and comparing to English

Because English doesn't do "to be" as an auxiliary verb anymore really

so you will come across certain things that use "have" in English, but it will be "wäre" in German

Trying to think of an example 🤔

[long whale]

I would have gone = ich wäre gegangen

[plush pelican]

exactly, 😄

So you will have this issue where you have to remember "it's not exactly like in English, think of the auxiliary for the verb"

[rich prism]

That is verbs with sein as helping verb right

[plush pelican]

yes, helping verb = auxiliary verb

[rich prism]

Ok ok

[long whale]

vs. Ich habe die Prüfung bestanden -> ... hätte ich die Prüfung bestanden

[plush pelican]

Konjunktiv 2 is quite literally like Präteritum, but with umlauts

[rich prism]

If I were smarter, I would have finished the exam on time
Wenn ich kluger wäre, hätte ich die Prüfung punktlich abgeschlossen....?

[plush pelican]

pünktlich

[long whale]

Yes. Except for the Umlaute

*klüger

[plush pelican]

Umlauts, umlauts everywhere 😵‍💫

[rich prism]

So if it was had been smarter

Then wenn ich klüger gewesen wäre

?

[plush pelican]

If I had been smarter

[rich prism]

Yes

Oh my gooodneeess

I can breaaathhhhee

This topic has been holding me back for soo long

[plush pelican]

Now do Konjunktiv 2 in the Passiv,

[rich prism]

I only know 1

[plush pelican]

That's where the grammar shit hits the fan, 😄

It's also I think like B2/C1 level

[long whale]

Don't listen! You go and do a few exercise sheets for what you've now understood, and let it sink in.

[long whale]

And hypothetical past is not? 🤔

[plush pelican]

Basic Konj. 2 is like B1

[rich prism]

Tomorrow 🌚, maybe

[plush pelican]

it's split up

[long whale]

Yeah, basic...

[rich prism]

Yesss

Thank youuuu

Sooo

Muuuch

[plush pelican]

I mean like, "hätte", "wäre", that's more basic, versus "gewesen wäre", "gehabt hätte", etc.

[long whale]

Yes, that's what I meant.

[plush ether]

what does “wenns auch os waere” mean 😭

[whole portal]

I think you mean Wenn's auch so wäre?

[plush ether]

could be yes

[whole portal]

Wenn es auch so wäre
If it also like that were
If it [also/only] were like that

[plush ether]

ooh

thank you so much

[vernal ermine]

Any alternative for Das ist alles?

[fervent kernel]

Heutzutage konsumieren viele Menschen Drogen. Dies ist ein großes soziales Problem.

I don't understand the use of "dies" instead of das
Can I write it as an article for neutral words?
For example
Dies Auto is blau

[long whale]

In writing, you can basically replace "das" with "dies", provided it's where you'd use "this" in English, as in "This (aforementioned fact) is a huge problem". - Ehh... that's not wrong, but poetic/rare -> don't write this.

[fervent kernel]

So, normaly people don't write it like this in essays right?

[long whale]

Correct. They don't.

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[hushed dawn]

Die Menschen müssen die Art und Weise, wie sie mit den gegebenen Ressourcen umgehen, ändern.

Art vs Weise ?

[dreamy urchin]

Hallo Leute

Wie kann Man eine neue Rolle bekommen?

[hushed dawn]

#get-roles

Für die nahe Zukunft ist ein Rückgang der Gefahren durch den Klimawandel zu erwarten.

I find the preposition "von" to be more suitable, i don't understand why durch is used ?

[dreamy urchin]

Inst it "because of"

... "Because of" den Klimawandel zu erwarten.

[rich prism]

I think cause durch is used for mediums, von is for people, set things

[long whale]

I'm afraid ein Rückgang der Gefahren vom Klimawandel wouldn't work at all. 🤷

[unique saffron]

Hallo Leute!

Wie man kann sagen:

1. er interessiert sich für seine Arbeit
   Oder
2. er interessiert ihn für seine Arbeit

Muss man ‘sich’ als akk oder reflexiv Pronomen benutzen?

[long whale]

What is it you're trying to say? 1) "He's interested in his [own] work" vs. 2) "He (man n°1) is making him (man n°2) interested in his (whose? no idea) work"

[unique saffron]

The first one

[south zenith]

Ihn and sie do not work reflexively

Ich, du, wir and ihr use the same pronouns reflexively, but the others use sich, not their respective akk and Dativ forms

[upper ember]

Welcher ist der Unterschied zwischen leiden und erleiden?

[long whale]

Basically - grammar. erleiden is transitive/requires an Akkusativobjekt, leiden requires a prepositional object (except in some expressions like "Mangel leiden". Since you're an advanced learner, I warmly recommend https://www.dwds.de/wb/leiden#d-1-1-3 🌻

@frozen trail Is there anything in particular you wanted to ask me?

[upper ember]

Danke dir ❤️

[jade hawk]

Is there like a rule to these kinds of verbs? Am I misunderstanding stuff or does the er prefix mean that the action the verb describes is complete? Like erlernen meaning to learn something fully, while lernen can point to the process of learning. And by this logic leiden would be to suffer (continously) and erleiden would mean something like sustain (to suffer an injury at one specific moment for example)

[plain umbra]

There's no rule but prefixes do have meanings associated with them. The problem is that just because a prefix has an associated meaning doesn't mean that a verb having that prefix automatically has that meaning.

So it's more like an etymology thing than a rule.

[long whale]

Yeah, well, https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Wortbildung/Inseparables.html#er - the operative word being "tends" -> not a rule, just some likelihood. 🌻 But yes, that looks like a good explanation for leiden/erleiden.

[solemn radish]

Was ist eigentlich das unterschied zwischen schwierig und schwer?

[jade hawk]

Okay - BTW, even if I speak English here, I'd rather have you answer me in German if possible. Even if you pull out some seriously specific german grammar terminology, I'll try to manage and figure out what you're saying

[long whale]

der Unterschied - difficult vs. heavy/hard

[solemn radish]

Achso

Ja das wusste ich, aber manchmal verwendet man schwer doch auch um auszudrücken das etwas "difficult" ist

Ich verwende schwer bisher immer für Gewichte und schwierig für Situationen und alles andere

[signal cipher]

If I am not wrong schwierig is only abstract. Schwer is both physical and abstract. They both heavy./hard.

[solemn radish]

Yes that's what mixes me up sometimes

Why use schwer to indicate difficulty when you can use schwierig

[signal cipher]

Why not

[solemn radish]

Because it can also indicate something is heavy

Just to avoid confusion

[signal cipher]

But it’s probably almost all the time clear thanks to context

[solemn radish]

Indeed, but I'd still like to know why schwierig would be replaced

[long whale]

Thanks, but a) I'm far more familiar with English grammar related vocab than with its German version b) I have some excellent reasons for writing in English here. 🌻

[signal cipher]

I can write in Bulgarian if you want.

[jade hawk]

Unfortunately I have no interest in that language

[long whale]

Why say "hard" in English, when you've got "difficult"? Same thing. 🤷

[solemn radish]

Good point

I get it now

Thanks everyone

[signal cipher]

No problem. Come back anytime we want.

[solemn radish]

I definitely will

Oh yeah, forgot to ask. So can both say: "Diese Prüfung war schwer" and "Diese Prüfung war schwierig"

Even though the Prüfung doesn't weight anything, an exam can still be hard

[signal cipher]

If it’s a Sumerian one it can.

Okay. Too many jokes. I stop

[solemn radish]

Hahaha

All good

[lusty crest]

Hallo 🙋‍♀️

[rain talon]

Hi

What does zehnten zehnten mean here?

Translator isn't helping

[rich prism]

I think 10th of the 10th

So 10th October

I think

[rain talon]

Yes but what does that mean...?

[rich prism]

10th day of the tenth month

[solemn radish]

<@&305455824174710787>

[rich prism]

??

[solemn radish]

Wisst ihr vielleicht wieso ein Freund von mir nicht schreiben kann

Er konnte er paar Minuten her noch im Chat schreiben, jetzt aber um irgendwelchen Grund nicht mehr

[rain talon]

Oh sorry I answered from the notification pop up and didn't see your next messages.
So Germans call month by numbers ??

[rich prism]

I don't know

I hear it abit

But I think just because this is a tongue twister idk

Maybe wait for a native to clarify

[rain talon]

Ask in #general or #report-issue, the question channels are for language questions 😬

[solemn radish]

alright

didnt know that

thanks

[rain talon]

Do read #getting-started then 😊

[solemn radish]

haha I will next time

[long whale]

Sometimes, yes. I mean, if you were born on the 10th of February, you can answer "Am zehnten zweiten" when asked about your birthday. 🤷

[rain talon]

No no read it from the beginning it literally describes the rules for everything here

[rain talon]

TIL

Damn

Germany is full of surprises really

[solemn radish]

I know

I said I would read it so it doesnt happen again

should have been more specific, ik

[swift patio]

I am always angry

[long whale]

Please note the question channels are for questions about the German language. Everything else goes into #general.

[swift patio]

Really. I didn’t see the channel name

[rich prism]

Something bad took place - etwas Schreckliches ist passiert.
It's probably obvious but I can't reason it, why is Schreckliches capital

[charred harbor]

Because it’s a nominalised adjective

[long whale]

Nominalized adjective. Best see https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

[long whale]

I mean, instead of "something horrible", you could say "some horrible thing", right? Except German has got adjective endings. So, it doesn't need "thing", it just slaps an -es on the adjective and capitalizes it, and - wham! - it's got "etwas Schreckliches", some horrible neuter thing. 🤷

[rich prism]

Ohh

I understand

From the link I understood with nichts and etwas you just capitalise it, they didn't really explain it

So the explanation helps

[serene mountain]

@plush pelican Thank you for recommending YourGermanTeacher, watched a couple videos und es ist sehr super!

[fervent kernel]

Hallo, I asked a question in the past about konjunktiv 1 and 2 and I am back after some studying to confirm the validity of what I now think I know. Konjunktiv 1 is used when paraphrasing the words, concepts or ideas of someone else, clearly showing that they aren't your own. Konjunktiv 2 is used to refer to yourself in a hypothetical state expressing something you would do or would have done in a situation.

Am I correct?

In Konjuntiv 2 I'd like to add that you aren't solely capable or refering to yourself but to anyone really, yet still in a hypothetical situation.

[shrewd fern]

pretty much yeah

formally you have to use konjunktiv 1 for repeating quotes

sorta like this

"ich bin in der schule"
er sagte, er sei in der schule

[plush pelican]

Konjunktiv 2 isn't just yourself in a hypothetical state, it could be anyone.

[shrewd fern]

oh yeah

i missed that

like "could", "would", "should", etc

thats konjunktiv 2 basically

[plush pelican]

Er hätte gewonnen, wenn er nicht so schlecht im Baseball wäre...
He would have won, if he weren't so bad at baseball...

[shrewd fern]

altho konjunktiv is quite irregular and complicated from my experience, so just a warning 😭

i genuinely struggled last year with konjunktiv in exams-

[plush pelican]

wait, but you're a native speaker?

[shrewd fern]

yeah

we still did konjunktiv and stuff

[plush pelican]

Are you like a heritage speaker, or full-blown native?

[shrewd fern]

had to know every function, how to conjugate most verbs, etc

[shrewd fern]

full blown native 😭

born in germany, first language

[plush pelican]

😅

[plush pelican]

well, only a few of the most common verbs ever get conjugated in their own special Konjunktiv 2 form, right? Mostly, it's just "würde ... (verb)"

[shrewd fern]

i think so

[plush pelican]

Are you talking about having to do things like "Ich schliefe"?

[shrewd fern]

but i meant move in konjunktiv 1

[shrewd fern]

think so yeah

"ich sei, du seist, er/sie/es sei, wir seien, ihr seit, sie seien"

thats konjunktiv 1

[plush pelican]

"ich schliefe" is Konj. 2....but then the Konj. 1 is identical to Indikativ, so you'd have to use Konj. 2 as a replacement, 😄

[shrewd fern]

yeah i never learned that "konjunktiv 2 ersatzform" thing 😭

[plush pelican]

Deutsche Sprache, leichteste Sprache

[charred harbor]

Said no one ever

[shrewd fern]

doitsche schprache, schwäre schprache /j

[plush pelican]

which dialect is that?

[shrewd fern]

none

just deliberately misspelled german 😭

[formal frigate]

Konjunctive 1 is evil

I’m not gonna try bothering with it again

[shrewd fern]

yeah 😭

besides its pretty rarely used

unless youre some royalty in a book set in the 16th century

[formal frigate]

I don’t understand what it’s trying to say

[plush pelican]

You don't understand the purpose of Konjunktiv 1?

[shrewd fern]

tbh me neither

[formal frigate]

Nope

[charred harbor]

düütsu sprœku schwööpu sprœku ^^
Anyway yeah it’s kinda confusing

[shrewd fern]

why cant you just say "er hat gesagt, er ist in der schule"

[plush pelican]

In English, when a reporter repeats allegations about someone, they have to keep saying, "allegedly", like "Kim Kardashian allegedly has sabotaged Drake's new guitar", "The defendant allegedly killed his wife."

In German, you embed that "allegedly" into the verb itself, producing a tense that by its very nature is about repeating someone else's claims without saying whether you yourself believe them.

[formal frigate]

Es sei denn…

[plush pelican]

...and then there are some fixed phrases which have a slightly different meaning, 😄

[formal frigate]

Why does that mean unless

[plush pelican]

Es ist = it is
Es sei = it (potentially) is

[formal frigate]

This is really where it breaks my brain because I can’t even translate into English

[shrewd fern]

same for "doch"

or randomly "ja" in sentences 😭

which is terribly hard to translate (imo)

[plush pelican]

The world will end, unless we can figure out how to stop the alien virus.
The world will end, (other potential reality) we figure how to stop the alien virus.

"unless" is saying that there is hypothetically a different future than what is shown in the first clause.
The Konjunktiv tenses deal with hypothetical stuff

[charred harbor]

The Modalpartikel I presume you mean?

[shrewd fern]

i have no idea what the term is 😭

[plush pelican]

"doch" and "ja" in the middle of sentences is generally Modalpartikel

Es ist ja bekannt.

[charred harbor]

Like “Das ist ja schlecht”

Yeah

[shrewd fern]

like "das ist ja schönes wetter"

yeah

[charred harbor]

Yeah that’s a Modalpartikel

[shrewd fern]

sounds funky in english

"this is yes nice weather"

[plush pelican]

"This is indeed nice weather" works

[formal frigate]

I’m definitely grabbing onto English too much

[charred harbor]

I don’t think ja as a Modalpartikel has a good translation at all

[shrewd fern]

what about "das is ja bekannt" tho

that would not be "that is indeed known"

😭

you see what i mean?

its always dependent on the context, theres no one-word-fits-all kind of solution

[formal frigate]

Hey one question

[plush pelican]

Remember Game of Thrones, the Dothraki women? "It is known"

[shrewd fern]

das mein ich ja

:>

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/it-is-known-khaleesi-daenerys-gif-5277920

[formal frigate]

What does “so” mean in German? I know it loosely translates to so in English but it seems to be used differently.

“Ich würde den Satz so schreiben”

[shrewd fern]

flashbacks to doctor who

[plush pelican]

Here, "in this way"

[shrewd fern]

"it is discovered" 😭

actually a sentence that kinda confuses me grammatically tbh

[plush pelican]

"I'd write the sentence like this"

[shrewd fern]

or "like this"

[charred harbor]

Thinking about it now I think “obviously” would be the best one-size-fits-all translation

[shrewd fern]

"this is obviously nice weather"
"das ist ja schönes wetter"

[charred harbor]

Or “as you know” or something

[shrewd fern]

idrk 😭

[charred harbor]

“The weather’s obviously nice”

[formal frigate]

British people during a torrential downpour

[shrewd fern]

LOL

brits seeing a strange bright yellow object in the sky be like

[formal frigate]

Oh does “zu” work as too

Like that’s too much

[charred harbor]

I’m so lucky I didn’t have a drink in my mouth when I read that xD

[charred harbor]

Yes

[plush pelican]

it can, yes. It also has other meanings

[charred harbor]

Ich gehe zu Fuß

[formal frigate]

I think that I need to approach German from a descriptive point of view instead of a prescriptive one

Instead of trying to nail down words to an English translation, I need to just understand what the words are doing

Because I keep trying to perceive German from an English pov instead of standalone

So I when I go to write sentences I’m lost or write them with English phrasing

[plush pelican]

yeah, the problem is every word, in both languages, has multiple uses

[shrewd fern]

ive never thought about doing that for norwegian 😭

and the random "som" and sentences

[formal frigate]

I wanna just clear my mind of English when I read and only see German

[plush pelican]

If you imagine a diagram with a word in the center and each meaning outside of it

hold on, drawing a pic

[formal frigate]

Is “so” also meaning “like this” here?

In so einem Fall würde einer das sagen was ich gemeint habe

[shrewd fern]

yeah

this is basically "in a case like this"

or "in cases like this"

[plush pelican]

So, if you imagine every word has multiple meanings, radiating out

And then consider that words in German also have multiple meanings, radiating out

and then you try to compare them

And they might share several of the same meanings (red lines). But they don't share all of the same meanings

So you can never map words fully 1-to-1. All you can do is say, "what does this word map to for this specific meaning?"

Of course, German and English have a fair amount of overlap. But you can't ever forget that they are ultimately different languages, so things won't ever line up perfectly

[plush pelican]

or "such"

[signal cipher]

Does anyone know why we write conjugated verb in position two. In first part of explanation of nicht (I can’t read the second one) mr Emanuel says if we think the subordinate clause word order as normal normal word order we can understand position of nicht better. Why we don’t write it at the end with the rest of the verbs?

[plush pelican]

One way of thinking of things is to say that German is naturally a SOV language, and the "conjugated verb in position 2" thing is just a really common exception to this

If you think of Nebensätze with Ersatzinfinitiv, they actually look like something halfway between a normal Nebensatz and a Hauptsatz with conjugated verb in position 2

[signal cipher]

I have never thought position 2 verb is actually the weird one because it’s an important rule for it to be there

[plush pelican]

Ich weiß, dass du mir helfen wirst.

Ich weiß, dass du mir (hättest) (helfen können).

Du (hättest) mir (helfen können).

Look at the 2nd and 3rd lines

hättest is in front of the other verbs

doing its own little thing

[signal cipher]

I thought this double infinitive things is because that two infinitive forms a verb phrase

Like empty verb + noun

[plush pelican]

🤷‍♂️

I'm just saying, this is one way of viewing things

Whatever way helps you most accurately create German sentences...go with that, 😄

[formal frigate]

what's the point of ersatzinfinitve? i looked into that the other day and i didn't get it

[signal cipher]

I just wonder that theoretically. Other than that I understood the word order rules.

Maybe that main idea thing which you have mentioned before. First we say most important thing and then rest.

Maybe position 2 is also in that important information thing.

[plush pelican]

The point of it, or how does it work?

[signal cipher]

That verbs at the end of the sentence really must be important. Because we write complements, verbgefährt near them.

[plush pelican]

Questions of "why" are for linguists and historians

here, we're talking mainly "how"

[signal cipher]

Linguistic papers are too hard for me. I have read a paper about secondary predicate and I still couldn’t cool my brain.

[formal frigate]

What is it used for and how does it work?

When is it needed

[plush pelican]

The "how" is that a certain set of verbs acts differently for "compound tenses".

The most obvious thing here is Perfekt tense. Instead of doing Partizip 2 (the thing with ge-, like "gespielt"), the verb uses its infinitive form instead

Ich habe dir helfen können (not: gekonnt)

When a verb with the Ersatzinfinitiv appears in a dependent clause (a Nebensatz), it also has a different word order than normal Nebensätze

[signal cipher]

Some verbs are used with infinitive instead of Partizip 2 like other verbs.

[signal cipher]

Most famous ones are modal verbs

[plush pelican]

Ich weiß, dass ich dir helfen werde. (conjugated verb at end of Nebensatz)

Ich weiß, dass ich dir hätte helfen können. (conjugated verb in front of other verbs)

[plain umbra]

Some general advice: you don't need to learn this topic as a beginner. You can avoid it (for Perfekt tense at least) by using Präteritum form of modal/auxiliary verbs. That's also the more common way to structure it even for native speakers.

[plush pelican]

well, you'll run into it with like "hätte...können", "hätte...sollen"

[plain umbra]

Unless a native speaker lives in an area where people speak with minimal or no Präteritum, they usually try to avoid double infinitive structures.

[plain umbra]

That's Konj II, right? I wouldn't consider that a beginner topic.

[plush pelican]

I guess we're thinking of differing levels of "beginner"

end of A2, you start hitting "hätte...können" and "hätte...sollen"

The Ersatzinfinitiv is called the "double infinitive" in English. Here is a page on it with more information: https://www.colanguage.com/double-infinitive-german

TL;DR

• it only affects a certain group of verbs.
• it changes how you form certain tenses like Perfekt.
• it changes word order of verbs in dependent clauses.

@formal frigate

[plain umbra]

I thought that was more like end of B1.

But sure. The main point of the comment is so a Level A person doesn't think this is an essential topic and waste time on it. It's more of a "learn it when you really have to" topic.

[plush pelican]

I ran into it in the old Duolingo tree, 😄

[formal frigate]

I just translate "hätte...können" and "hätte...sollen" to "could have" and "should have"

[plain umbra]

Oh okay. I personally would not use Duolingo as a good measure of CEFR levels. Their tree is kinda all over the place.

[plush pelican]

that is how they translate. But the reason why the verbs are flipped turns out to be...fun 😅

Base is right, though: if you're like A1, you don't really need to learn this right now

[signal cipher]

Someone in quora says subordinate clause word order is the old one. Main clause Verb in position 2 word order is developed later.

[formal frigate]

how will i know when i've transcended a cerf level

[plush pelican]

sounds like that same idea, the idea that German (at some point) used to be a SOV language

[plush pelican]

The heavens will open up and a golden light will descend on you!

...idk, you just kind of guess, unless you're willing to pay money to take an official test

there are some things you can do to figure out your rough level, but it will always be a rough estimate

[plain umbra]

It's not that important unless you are taking an exam or something. Just learn the topics roughly in order and consider yourself a level higher when you masters the skills/topics for that level.

faq cefr

[stoic mauve]

CEFR levels

If you see something like A1, B2 or C1, these represent the proficiency of a speaker in a language they're not native in, and are called CEFR levels. They are valid for any language, not only German!
Roughly speaking, A levels are beginners and C levels are experts. Remember that CEFR level are self-assessed and indicative!
You can see more specific names and descriptions on the Wikipedia page:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_European_Framework_of_Reference_for_Languages

🗨 How do I know what level I am?
If the table on Wikipedia is too generic for you, you can try using this one here:
https://rm.coe.int/168045bb52
Just check each column one at a time: if you can do all it describes, move to the next column. Your level is the highest where you can do the most things.

Alternatively, you can use this questionnaire to estimate your level more accurately:
https://rm.coe.int/self-assessment-checklists-from-the-swiss-version-of-the-european-lang/1680492f8e

[plain umbra]

These rubricks are good estimating your level.

[formal frigate]

I think i'm C3

i'm gonna go through #resources and grind

[plain umbra]

Sure. For grammar, feel free to use this list as a rough guideline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Kz1Xqx0sFXAWys-Mgfhjc-M8JDCMtoeeGXcg5-orP_A/edit

[formal frigate]

oh damn i thought i was ahead

but everything i grinded on is A1

[signal cipher]

This levels are not so important if you don’t have to take a test.

They are just from easy to hard. And later level topics generally need information from previous levels

Like you should know that to understand that

[plain umbra]

Yeah, definitely the most important part of knowing topic levels is so you don't "jump ahead" too fast and get lost/confused. It's a common mistake of beginners.

[formal frigate]

i probably did that already

i need to read easier stuff because i think i'm not making progress

and when i learned about subjunctives and past tense and passive voice, my first thought was to learn how to combine them and use them all at once

https://tenor.com/view/celestial-kotory-explosion-biggest-explosion-gif-24169567

[signal cipher]

Do you mean Voltran?

[formal frigate]

i used a word twice mb

[plain umbra]

Well, you know... in everyday context, you don't really use things like that very much. That's one of the reasons why it's not that important to learn it as a beginner.

The language people use in everyday simple scenarios is usually pretty basic.

But that being said, of course even the basic grammar and vocab is a lot of info when you're new to a language. So it may be basic but it's still a great achievement to get there.

[formal frigate]

I end up finding websites that look like this and I'm like WTF. that's a konjunctive 1 future tense passive sentene with a modal verb

[signal cipher]

If you like details:

https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/Grammatik.html

https://www.deutschplus.net/

[plain umbra]

Yeah, tbh even a native speaker will be a bit confused about things like that because it's not used really at all.

[signal cipher]

Konjunktiv 1 is not used so much in daily speech. It’s usually used in newspapers etc. Pro stuff

And if Konjunktiv 1 conjugation and Indicative conjugation are same, Konjunktiv 2 is used instead Konjunktiv 1.

[plain umbra]

Futur tenses are not so commonly used even with Indikativ.

[signal cipher]

You probably can find a list when Futur 1 is used

Futur 2 is even more rare

[formal frigate]

"i will finish this assignment"
"i will have finished this assignment"

one thing that goes through my head

is how do people from China learn English or German?

[dense obsidian]

The futur 2 version looks so weird to me, lol. No one talks like that in germany.

[formal frigate]

because I'm realizing in my studies, that english and german and languages are really arbitrary, and understanding of it comes from years of immersion

like so much stuff i say in english, i'm just used to, and i take for granted

and learning german has helped me appreciate that

[plain umbra]

Tenses are important. It's just that there are not as many being used.

[little drum]

Same here

[formal frigate]

Will you have talked like that when you have visited germany?

/j

[little drum]

I am oftentimes reminded how robotic I sound when I speak German in comparison to when I speak English haha

[formal frigate]

Das Wetter ist gut.

[little drum]

I think it's because I have been surrounded by so much English throughout my life I take it for granted. As for how Chinese learn English/German - I believe it's similar to how an Englishman would learn Chinese haha

[plain umbra]

Konjunktiv is not a tense.

[signal cipher]

Mode mood

Tense like thing

[plain umbra]

I think it's quite important to know Präsens, Perfekt and Präteritum and use them correctly.

[formal frigate]

but how will i impress the germans with my passive voiced konjunctive 1 double modal verb having future 2 tensed sentence about vegetables?

[signal cipher]

Anyway. Study how you like. There is no one way to study.

[formal frigate]

my #1 strategy is reading german advice subreddits

[little drum]

that's a good idea lol

[signal cipher]

When there is object which has ein- article. Do we always negate that sentence by turning ein- into -kein? When we don’t specially emphasize any singular part of the sentence but negate all of the sentence.

How would you negate this?

Ich warf einem Mann einen Apfel zu.

[long whale]

No, we don't.

[signal cipher]

Ich warf einem Mann einen Apfel nicht zu?

[long whale]

No. You need to start thinking about meaning instead of rules. What is it you want to say? "I didn't throw an apple to anyone"? -> Ich habe niemandem einen Apfel zugeworfen.

"I didn't throw anything to the man"? -> Ich habe dem Mann nichts zugeworfen.

[signal cipher]

I want to write a chart or list or something which covers all of the negating rules.

So someone who learn German won’t have to search a lot to learn them all.

All in one summerized source

Nicht was before indefinite objects in the chart which Argus has shared. There must be reason for it.

[plush pelican]

you mean the word order chart? That was just the "neutral word order"

[signal cipher]

I have learned why modal adverb, locative complement, verbgefärt but I don’t know why indefinite objects are written after nicht.

[plush pelican]

The rule that I always hear explained is that you put "nicht" behind the thing you want to negate

This then has some special things because of Verbgefährte and negating the verb

You are right that the chart seems to contradict that explanation a bit by putting the "neutral" word order for nicht (aka where to put "nicht" when negating the sentence generally, and thus verb) not right next to the Verbgefährte, but instead before Modal and Lokal adverbs

I'm not sure how to explain that

[signal cipher]

Local adverb is understandable

[long whale]

Really? "behind the thing you want to negate?

[signal cipher]

Local complements more specificly

[plush pelican]

does "left" sound better to you?

[signal cipher]

I put the bag in it.
In that “in it” is essential part of the sentence.

[plush pelican]

I think we talked about this before, where (to my English brain and to your German brain), "behind" can mean different things when talking about sentences

[signal cipher]

It lost its meanings without it.

It’s complement of verb

[plush pelican]

I've seen some stuff in Hammer's German Grammar which seemed to suggest that a lot of the time, when people think they are dealing with a Lokal adverb, they are actually dealing with a local complement, aka a Verbgefährte.

In other words, the thing description location is not just an adverb generally, but is tied tightly enough to the verb to be considered part of it, so you have to put "nicht" left of it as well when negating the verb.

[signal cipher]

So negating it with verb together is logical

[long whale]

I guess so.

[plush pelican]

and maybe that leads to the confusion and them putting "nicht" before Modal and Lokal adverbs

but idk

[signal cipher]

Putting nicht before modal and local is logical. I can’t understand indefinite objects.

[plush pelican]

that comes back to a question I wanted to ask before

[plush pelican]

There are times when you can negate a noun with "nicht", yeah?

it's not exclusively kein, although it is usually kein

[signal cipher]

Yes. Someone gave an example short ago

[plush pelican]

Isn't there a situation for "nicht einen Apfel"?

[signal cipher]

When it’s defined nicht is used

[plush pelican]

"Ich habe dem Mann nicht einen einzigen Apfel zugeworfen" or something?

[long whale]

not a single apple, yes.

You don't even need the "einzigen".

[plush pelican]

okay, well...isn't that what (fix my grammar) was asking about? using "nicht" to negate an indefinite noun?

[long whale]

Ich habe nicht einen [einzigen] Menschen gesehen, der...

[signal cipher]

Maybe indefinite objects are some kind of complement too. Or we put nicht before them because they are important knowledge.

[plush pelican]

Keep in mind, the book writers could also be wrong. That's always a possibility, 😄

Some of the answers they've given for exercises have been...questionable

[signal cipher]

That important part is my search topic these days. Complement-Adjuct

[plush pelican]

Mostly, I use the word order from that page. With "nicht", it's a combination of "put nicht before the thing you want to negate" and my own Sprachgefühl that I am developing

[plush pelican]

adjuct?

you mean complement-adjacent-things or something?

[signal cipher]

But emenuel gave some examples which seems right to me but actually wrong

In his Nicht lesson part 1

I can’t read part 2

[plush pelican]

why?

[signal cipher]

Adjuct. Unimportant adverb as I know

[signal cipher]

I am not a paid member

[plush pelican]

I've never heard this word before in my life, "adjuct"

adjunct?

[signal cipher]

May be

Saw it couple of days ago

Maybe we write adjuncts before nicht and complements after nicht.

In neuter negation

[plush pelican]

Hmm, he seems to be saying in part 2 that "nicht" is the dividing line in a sentence between "old news" and "new news"

and also, moving nicht switches where that dividing line is in a sentence: everything before "nicht" is defined as "old news", everything after as "new news"

[plain umbra]

No, that's not right.

[signal cipher]

Like I guessed. He wrote nicht before ihn and said wrong

[plain umbra]

Most adverbials have nicht before, not after.

[signal cipher]

Argus said true. Okay adjunct doesn’t cover that much but I am not good at terms that much

[signal cipher]

@plain umbra

[plain umbra]

Sorry, I don't understand the connection.

[signal cipher]

Aren’t adjuncts unimportant adverbs?

We can remove them from sentence

Also defined nouns are unimportant

I mean less important

[plain umbra]

What does that have to do with what Argus said though?

[signal cipher]

Adjuncts are less important so they are written before nicht
Defined nouns are less important so they are written before nicht

Complements are important so they are written after nicht

Indefinite nouns are important so they are written after nicht

Verbgefahrt is important too

[plain umbra]

As far as I know, that's not how nicht placement works.

Nicht is written in front of adjuncts pretty often.

[signal cipher]

I can’t be sure. I just guess

[plush pelican]

@plain umbra You know the tendency about "old before new"?

YourDailyGerman says "nicht" literally defines the line between old and new

Stuff afterwards I guess is new and/or tightly bound to the verb
and stuff before it is old and therefore not as important information, which (fix my grammar) is calling "adjuncts" here.

I'm not familiar with "adjunct" as a grammar term, personally

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adjunct_(grammar)

🤔

[plain umbra]

I don't know the definition super well but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with nicht placement in German.

[plain umbra]

Is this talking about nicht placement when it applies to "whole sentence" or to "single element"?

If you get what I mean.

[signal cipher]

I mean neuter negation

Not a part of a sentence specificly

Negating the whole sentence

[plush pelican]

I've only skimmed the article, but I believe YourDailyGerman is talking about ALL of the time nicht is placed, it always defines the dividing line between old and new

[plain umbra]

Okay, got it. I think that might be too much of an oversimplification then. I don't think you can make a rule for all nicht placement.

[plush pelican]

God, he says something real interesting

[plain umbra]

Like usually when you negate an individual element, you just put nicht before the element.

[plush pelican]

I don't think I'm allowed to post here, because I did pay for the content to get access to it

[signal cipher]

Just give a hint

The title

[plush pelican]

but basically, he gives an example where he puts nicht before an individual element, but says it doesn't count as element negation unless you put stress on the element with the tone of voice.

I need to sit down and read this article in its entirety...at some point when it's not super late

speaking of which, I need to go to bed 💤

[signal cipher]

After that I will learn auch

[plain umbra]

Well let's just say we exclude the individual negation for now for simplicity.

[signal cipher]

It’s simple. Just write nicht before it. General negation is problematic part

[signal cipher]

Since it’s not just write it at the end.

You can sense it but I can’t

[plain umbra]

In that case, where we are negating the whole sentence, the typical rules of thumb are that the nicht just goes before the verb complement part of the clause.

[signal cipher]

I don’t know which are exact complements

Is indefinite noun a complement?

[plain umbra]

A noun can be a verb complement, yes.

[signal cipher]

Not like tennis playing. As I know this is called verbgefährte

I will search about this online. The difference between defined and indefinite objects

[plain umbra]

Yes, that's right.

[plush pelican]

Right, but the chart from Grammatik Aktiv shows nicht before Modal and Lokal adverbs as well

Which contradicts that rule

[signal cipher]

I think they just simplify

[plain umbra]

Right. I was going to add that. A few adverb categories are exceptions.

[signal cipher]

They don’t separate location complement and adjunct

[plain umbra]

In dartmouth nicht rules, they mention "adverbs of specific time" as the exception. On the other hand, Hammer's lists "manner" adverbs as the exception.

[signal cipher]

Oh I forgot about that site to check nicht

It also has details

But yourdailygerman is best

He teach like exactly how I want to learn

Full of details, logic, why, how but not so scientificly

[plain umbra]

Oh wait, I misread how they explained it on the dartmouth one.

They actually say the nicht goes before all adverbs except specific time adverbs.

[hushed dawn]

wäre es richtig zu sagen, dass jemand in der Sprache stark/fest ist ?

[long whale]

I don't think so. 🌻

[long whale]

I'm afraid this... sentence has so many issues, I'm having slight problems counting them. At least a dozen, I'd say.

Here's a pretty idiomatic translation: https://www.deepl.com/translator#en/de/There are approximately 30 million dormant roaches under your bed%3B tread lightly if you do not wish to wake them. Perhaps start working with this?

Please note "ob" = "whether" -> doesn't work at all in this sentence.

[bronze cove]

Oh really? I was under the impression it would work like "if" 😔

[bronze cove]

And thanks for this

Another question - would "ruhend" be wrong to use?

[hushed dawn]

"Sein berühmtestes Werk mag die Mona Lisa sein, "

mag here has nothing to do with mögen instead it is an equivalent to "may" ?

[long whale]

Ehh - yes. It's not just missing its ending, it's really, really unidiomatic, I'm afraid. - Btw, apart from all of the grammar mistakes, word order is fine for your subordinate clause.

[bronze cove]

Oh okay thanks
Out of curiosity, what ending would it need? Would something like "untätig" or "still" fit instead of "schlummern" (I like the word dormant over sleeping here and I'd like to see if I can get as close as possible to that)? And what would you recommend I do/use so that I can improve on constructing German sentences so I don't make something like my initial sentence again?

Sorry for all the questions LOL

[signal cipher]

Kannst du mich vom Bahnhof abholen.
Why Dative here?

There is or at least there will be location change

[long whale]

Pro tip for improving your writing (and speaking, too): don't think "This is what I'd like to say in my native language. Now, how do I say the same thing in German?". Instead, go for things you know you can say. -> Dumb things down until you're sure you can get your point across without making a gazillion errors on the way. Since you keep learning, eventually, you'll have to dumb things down less and less. 🌻

No need to apologize. There's no limit to the questions you're allowed to ask here.

[signal cipher]

I found out 😄

Von always gets dative

Thank you for my help.

[bronze cove]

Alright, thanks for the tips
I figured that the translation route was probably not the best with the way different languages are structured (especially with how it ended up just now 😭) but I was hellbent on translating this sentence lmaoo

[hushed dawn]

Zur Ehrung des 500. Todestags da Vincis ____, ein Design zu entwickeln, das ganz nah an seinen Original-Manuskripten blieb.

a- gab es
b- war es
c- galt es