questions-2

[undone verge]

Bürgerrechte

[pastel wedge]

Geil

[plush pelican]

Man sieht, dass du Muttersprachler bist. Deine Meinungen über die Sprache werden dementsprechend weniger hinterfragt 🤣

[pastel wedge]

Ok

[charred harbor]

Eine schöne gelbe Farbe

Die ich auch haben will

[vestal fractal]

What do you think about taking notes or keeping a vocabulary notebook?
Sometimes I worry it might be a waste of time that could be better spent learning or practicing in other ways

[long whale]

Mm... I don't think so. I mean, everybody learns differently, but I think it's been shown that writing things down (as opposed to typing them, but also as opposed to not writing them down, I suppose) helps you to memorize things.

[plush pelican]

Scientific studies have shown that a lot of people remember things better when they've first written them down, so it's actually a great idea to help with remembering vocab 👍

[vestal fractal]

So a physical notebook is better than keeping a text file?
I have been doing both because otherwise I forget what I've already written down, and typing them in the text file first fixes that problem because it's searchable

I've been slacking on the physical notebook though and have a lot to copy from the text file to the actual notebook now

[plush pelican]

well, better in terms of helping your memory, but of course writing things down physically is more time-consuming. So there's pros and cons to consider with both 🤷‍♂️

[plush pelican]

lol, only just saw your message 😛

[fervent kernel]

the more often you write your vocabs down, the better you are going to remember them. Your best choice would be to write it onto paper as you really tend to not forget them better that way but it's just as fine to write them into a text file or whatever you use instead. Of course if you have an ipad or just any tablet you can write the needed words in a notes app as often as you want to. hope i could help

[hot nexus]

Was ist eine Treppenleiter

[fervent kernel]

Eine Treppenleiter ist eine Leiter, die von beiden Seiten besteigbar ist, selbes Prinzip wie diese Bögen auf Spielplätzen

[delicate tiger]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treppensteigung#/media/Datei:Treppensteigungen.svg

[remote sable]

Heyy guys I came across a weird idiom or smth like that it is "Ich habe Fruehling im Bauch", looked it up quite alot but a reached a dead end

[whole portal]

I mean

"Im Bauch" is just inside one which means it kinda guides and overwhelms you I guess, see Schmetterlinge im Bauch but here's it's spring instead

So this person probably has a bunch of strong intuitive feelings which they describe with Frühling so idk exactly what they mean but it's probably something connected to growth, a new beginning and nature.

Or they ate spring rolls

[plush pelican]

So when you say "ganz schön" together, it just means it's an intensifier of the thing, not that it's actually pretty/beautiful/good?

For example, "eine ganz schöne Umstellung für die Waldarbeiter" - a significant change/switch, but not necessarily a positive change?

[long whale]

Exactly. :D

[hushed dawn]

"Ziel ist es, mehr junge Menschen für Kultur zu begeistern und so der Kulturbranche zu helfen. "

wird "dass" nach dem Komma gelöscht, aber gibt seine Wirkung für "Verb am Ende" ?

[long whale]

An infinitive clause is something very different from a dass-clause.

[hushed dawn]

Ich habe gedacht, dass beide "dass" und "infinitiv mit zu" stehen können.

[long whale]

Not to my knowledge, no. 🤔 A dass-clause contains a finite/conjugated verb, as far as I know.

[earnest night]

Can we use 'verdammt' in this context?

"Zamn this chick is so🔥"

"Damn, am sorry to hear that😞"

[undone verge]

you could say 'verdammt heiß'
in the other situation, no I don't think so. Maybe 'Schade...' or something

[earnest night]

Thank god i've been using the regular english damn my whole life in these kind of contexts

While writing in german

Thanks for answering!

[hushed dawn]

Soll ich sagen "Der mittele Satz oder Der Mittlere Satz" ?

[long whale]

2nd, but it won't be capitalized: mittlere

[hushed dawn]

Okey

[plush pelican]

Danke, Susana

[fervent kernel]

what is a good way to read an intermediate level german novel? (harry potter in my case) as in, should i maybe google all the words i don't know? should i not? etc

[plain umbra]

There's not one right answer. You have to decide your approach based on what your goal of using the novel is.

Is your goal to maximise vocabulary learned? Then you probably want to look up all the words, yes.

But maybe your goal is something else, in which case you might decide not to do that.

For example, maybe you want to practice while enjoying the story, and so you might try not to get caught up too much in vocab and grammar stuff because you want to finish the story as your #1 priority.

Those are just examples, there's other ways you can do it too. Just take some time to think about what you want.

And you don't have to stick to one way. Maybe today you focus on vocab and next time you focus on something else.

[fervent kernel]

i see, my goal is to be able to understand without having to google much, so maybe vocabulary is part of it

[plain umbra]

Yeah, and here's a tip that might be useful for you: usually an author will repeat the same vocab throughout the whole novel. So the majority of "new" vocab you encounter will be learned in the first few chapters, and after that it should mostly repeat itself.

[fervent kernel]

ooh

[plain umbra]

So maybe that can help you decide a strategy, like studying the vocab in detail for the first chapters and then seeing how you go from that point.

Of course that doesn't mean there won't be any new vocab. Of course there will be some here and there. But hopefully you get what I mean. Authors tend to have specific types of phrasing and descriptions they like to use and it won't suddenly change halfway through the novel.

[fervent kernel]

i do, you've just helped me greatly, thank you very much

[fervent kernel]

Hi, I want to say something really short in video to apply for housing, because I will be going to Germany for my higher studies. I hope this is the right place to get feedback/corrections.
Italicized words are for the words I actually know how to say, underlined words are for the words that I know in English but not in German.

Hallo, ich heiße (Name). Ich bin (Alter) Jahre alt. Ich komme nach Deutschland Astrophysik zu studieren.
Ich komme aus (Land) und I am happy to share my culture with you. Ich spreche Deutsch am Niveau A2/B1, ich lerne noch. Meine Muttersprache ist (Sprache), und ich spreche auch (2 Sprachen).
Ich bin Vegetarierin und trike kein/e/en alcohol. Ich rauche auch nicht. Ich kann mit kochen und putzen helfen – ich kann etwas aus mein Land kochen!
Freut mich Ihnen zu kennen!

[fervent kernel]

I would leave some of the personal stuff out like that you're a vegetarian and don't drink alcohol, and instead replace it with something like about your college and schools, when you have graduated etc.

for correction I would go to #corrections

[foggy mist]

maybe
und ich freue mich auf einen kulturellen Austausch.

Ich bin Vegetarierin, Nichtraucherin und trinke keinen Alkohol.

und
*freut mich, Sie kennenzulernen!

[wise pendant]

*Alkohol
*Vegetarierin

[foggy mist]

danke

ohje meine Finger heute

danke danke

[wise pendant]

Gerne

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön!

[fervent kernel]

It's a Wohnen für Hilfe application, so I think that's needed

[fervent kernel]

Ahh yes, I thought it was for like a school or something

[plush pelican]

It depends: how much of the text can you understand? I tried Harry Potter and bounced off of it hard because of the descriptions in the beginning containing so many unknown words. I started reading another fantasy novel that was a bit simpler, and have found it a lot better. Personally, if it's me, I don't like reading stuff where I don't know more than 10 words per page; it gets really tedious at that point. and even at like 6 words a page, it's still a challenge.

I'm trying not to look up every word, but I have a perfectionist streak in me where I want to know the exact meaning of the word every time. But I'm trying to fight that impulse

[hollow walrus]

Hello i have write a potential seller-buyer dialogue for my homework, is there any mistakes ? it is like a1-a2 level our teacher wants simple structers and not ai created or translated content :
Customer: Hallo, ich suche einen türkischen handgefertigten Teppich
Hello I look for a hand-made turkish carpent

Seller: Willkommen, Ich habe viele Stile und Arten von Teppichen
Welcome, I have many styles and types of rugs

Customer: Kann ich Teppiche sehen?
Can i see ?

Seller: Ganz sicher, welche Art von Teppich benötigen Sie?
Sure, what kind of carpet do you need?

Customer: handgefertigt und Seide
Handcrafted and silk

Seller: Schauen Sie sich diesen Teppich an, er ist ein Meisterwerk. Der Typ, der diesen Teppich gemacht hat, ist blind geworden, nachdem er ihn gemacht hat
Look at this rug, it's a masterpiece. The guy who made this rug went blind after making it

Customer: Es sieht sehr gut aus, wie viel?
It is very good, how much ?

Seller: es sind 1000$
t is 1000$

Customer: Was ist mit 800$?
What about 800$

Seller: Den Mittelpreis finden wir bei 900$
we can find the middle price at 900$

Customer:
Okay, ich akzeptiere den Preis, Bitte legen Sie den Teppich in mein Auto
Okey i accept the price, please put the carpet in my car

Seller: Vielen Dank, Sir. Selman hat den Teppich ins Auto gelegt
Thank you sir, Selman put the carpen in the car

[fervent kernel]

i'm exactly like that, skipping a word without knowing what it means just feels... off. i'll probably do both intensive and extensive reading from time to time though, since the former takes that much time

[fervent kernel]

i can understand what they mean but not what they're literally saying per se, i might switch harry potter if it becomes incomprehensible though

[lament forge]

"Kann ich die Teppiche sehen?" you need the article here

The "ganz" is ok but only "sicher" is also fine

"handgefertigt und aus Seide" would be better

"Der Mann" rather than "der Typ" it is more formal in a seller-buyer dialogue

instead of "es sind 1000€" just say the price on its own or "Das wären..." - "That would be..."

"Wie wäre es mit..." rather than "Was ist mit..." sounds better in such a dialogue

[hollow walrus]

Thanks so much

[lament forge]

no worries!

hope i was of help to your efforts :D

[hollow walrus]

you was thanks!

[nocturne scaffold]

hi ! im a tiny bit confused because one source says the dative for plural 'your' is 'euch' and another source says it's 'eueren' . is it both ? and would it be okay if someone gave me a reliable source for pronouns and their cases ? much thanks ! 🥰

[tacit isle]

the dativ version of 'ihr' is 'euch', which means 'you (plural)'.
example: Wie geht's euch? = How are you?

'euren' is the possessive word for 'ihr', which means 'your'.
example: Ich habe es euren Freunden gegeben. = I gave it to your friends.

[remote sable]

thank you man, dearly appreciate it !!

[misty ginkgo]

Hallo,

"Die Luftverschmutzung ist weltweit zu einem langfristigen Problem geworden". Warum gibt es ein "zu" hier?

[long whale]

Because that's the way the expression works in German: etwas wird zu einem Problem ;)

[misty ginkgo]

ohh it's a fixed expression

danke schön!

[latent wadi]

At A level i can guarantee you are not ready for HP

try reading der Fremde or die Sams buchreihe

[fervent kernel]

i took an exam and turns out i'm B1, im keeping the A role because i'm skeptical though

[latent wadi]

From my own expierence HP is technically C1

but a higher b2 could read it

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sams_(Buchreihe)

read these

[fervent kernel]

will check them out, thank you

[hushed dawn]

Was ist genau "ziger" z.b. den fünfziger wechseln, und warum (zum meiner Wissenschaft) geht es nur für fünfziger?

[outer maple]

"Es gibt noch eine erwähnenswerte Sache, wofür ich ihm Respekt erweise, nähmlich..."
Macht das sinn?

[onyx ingot]

Fünfziger ist eine alte Münze

ich glaube es geht um die Nominalisierung. Fünfzig ist eine Zahl, aber wir brauchen einen Nomen, deswegen haben wir "er" als suffix zugegeben

[onyx ingot]

das klingt nich besonders gut (für mich) wofür ich ihm Respekt erweise,

[outer maple]

Was könnte ich stadessen schreiben

[onyx ingot]

ich sehe im Wörterbuch

[outer maple]

Ahh

[onyx ingot]

deswegen "der ich Respekt erweise"

[outer maple]

Hmm

JAA

DANKE

"Es gibt noch eine erwähnenswerte Sache, der ich Respekt erweise"

Klingt schon viel besser

[onyx ingot]

glaub schon

[outer maple]

Aber, der erste Teil ist okay, oder-

erwähnenswerte Sache

[outer maple]

Kann ich auch sagen "...der ich ihm Respekt erweise"

[long whale]

Please don't post the same question in more than one channel. :)

[outer maple]

DONT KILL ME PLEZ

[winter fulcrum]

Hi, How can I revise for B1?

Goethe B1?

[onyx ingot]

nein, kannst nicht

das ist ein relativsatz. Es gibt noch eine erwähnenswerte Sache, der ich Respekt erweise. DER bedeutet schon dass du DIE SACHE meinst

[outer maple]

Oder "es gibt noch eine erwähnenswerte Sache, für die ich ihm viel Respekt erweise"

[onyx ingot]

nein, kann auch nicht sein

[outer maple]

Susana hat aber so gesagt 😔

Wem glaube ich jetzt

[onyx ingot]

Wo?

[outer maple]

#questions

[onyx ingot]

@long whale was soll ihm hier bedeuten? ...für die ich ihm viel Respekt erweise...

[outer maple]

Ich sage dann einfach "wofür ich ihn respektiere"

😭

Respekt erweisen sieht zu schwer aus

[onyx ingot]

nö, vllcht ich verstehe hier was nicht

[outer maple]

Idk

HAJAHS

[onyx ingot]

du sprichst von einer Person die du fur eine sache respektierst, ja?

[outer maple]

Ja

Etwas, was er gemacht hat

Eine schwierige Entscheidung, um genauer zu sein

[onyx ingot]

ok

macht Sinn

Susannas Version ist richtig 🙂

[hushed dawn]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "Eben" und nur z.b., Eben das Gefühl der Geborgenkeit oder nur das Gefühl der Geborgenkeit ?

Geborgenheit* 🙂

[long whale]

nur = only. eben... ehh... maybe sth like a filler-"just"? Or, depending on context, "simply", or, again depending on context "exactly that feeling of security" - no context is a problem, see?

[hushed dawn]

Ja, verstanden

[hushed dawn]

Es ist richtig zu sagen, Den Schuhen knüpfen ?

[long whale]

I have no idea what you're trying to say...?

[hushed dawn]

" to tie the shoes"

[long whale]

So, why would the shoes be in Dativ? And you'd usually use "sich etwas (Akk) zubinden"

[hushed dawn]

Ach so, okey

[analog mountain]

Hallo !

Weiß jemand hier, was das Plural von dem "Schauer" ist ?

[long whale]

https://www.dwds.de/wb/Schauer#1

Any dictionary, bilingual or not, will give you gender and plural, btw. ;)

[analog mountain]

Vielan Dank ! Ich hatte daran nicht gedacht, auf einem einsprachigen Deutschwortschatz zu suchen ...

(dieses Wort konnte ich nicht im deutsch-französichen Wortschatz, den ich benutze, finden)

[long whale]

This one has it: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-französisch/Schauer ;)

[analog mountain]

Ach gut

ich bin wahrscheinlich nur dumm

[long whale]

No, no. Some dictionaries are just better than others. Here, have a

🧁

[hushed dawn]

Was ist die Bedeutung von der Wendung "du bist weich geworden" ?

[plush pelican]

"you've become soft" has a meaning in English, although to be fair, I'm not sure if it's the same in German 🤔

[whole portal]

It means you've given in

Depending on the context it could mean weak or, well, soft

[plush pelican]

Sounds like the exact same as in English

[whole portal]

But if you're resisting something and at some point you just give up and cave in that's when you've become weich

[fervent kernel]

Wie würde man es in Englisch sagen?

[hushed dawn]

Danke alle !

[plush pelican]

"du bist weich geworden"?
"You've become soft"

It's a pretty direct translation

[icy flax]

Einige Onkel von mir, als sie noch kleine Jungen waren, hatten ein Geschmack dafür, Rivale von der Schule zu schlagen. Sie haben sich oft insbesondere nach dem Unterricht, außer dem Schulort, in Schlägerei gegeben. Auch nicht selten, als Großvater gekommen war, um seine Söhne nach Hause abzuholen, wurden sie manchmal in der Mitte einer Schlagsession getroffen. Bei der Bitte vom Großvater, sofort an der Stelle mit der Prügelei zu stoppen, haben die jungen Onkel sogar härter die Gegenüber getroffen, auch weil der Großvater ihnen genauso beigebracht hat, bei solchen Situationen so zu handeln. Wie kann ich es auf Deutsch sagen, dass sie vorher mit etw einverstanden waren, sich auf eine gewisse Weise zu benehmen? Ich glaub, ich würde sagen, entweder Definition oder Vereinbarung. Es scheint auch "Vorgabe" auch eine Möglichkeit zu sein, aber ehrlicherweise verstehe ich dieses Wort nicht mal völlig.

"Sie hatten eine grausame Vereinbarung niedrigstes Rangs zu hause gemacht"?

[hushed dawn]

Kann Nachhaltigkeit von einem "Produkt" in der Bedeutung durch Verfallsdatum ersetzt wird?
(Ich fühle mich, etwas in dem Satz falsch ist 🙂 bitte korriegieren Sie mir, wenn etwas falsch ist.

[plush pelican]

Did you write this?

[icy flax]

kleine Korrektur: Kann (...) werden.

Nein, aber Synonyme zu Verfallsdatum sind:

Ablaufdatum (österr.) · Fälligkeitsdatum · Mindesthaltbarkeit · Mindesthaltbarkeitsdatum · Verfalldatum · Verfallsdatum · MHD (fachspr.)

[plush pelican]

I can't judge the whole thing, but I did notice some errors: einige Onkeln, kleine Jungen, seine Söhne

[fervent kernel]

Im achtzehnten Jahrhundert lebte in Frankreich ein Mann, der zu den genialsten und abschleulichsten Gestalten dieser an genialen und abschleulichen Gestalten nicht armen Epoche gehörte. Why were dieser an and nicht armen used?

[long whale]

The whole thing in [] is an adjective: dieser [an genialen und abscheulichen Gestalten nicht armen] Epoche = dieser Epoche, die an genialen und abscheulichen Gestalten nicht arm war

Does that help?

[long whale]

No, you're confusing Nachhaltigkeit and Haltbarkeit. Nachhaltigkeit means a product doesn't use overmuch energy/resources, for example because it's produced locally, instead of being imported from overseas.

[long whale]

Voodoo, I'm afraid the only bit of this text which really works is "weil der Großvater es ihnen genau so beigebracht hatte", i.e. they did it because that's what their grandfather had taught them to do. And isn't that what you wanted to say? Or did you want to add your uncles had agreed to do this? In that case, I'd say "... und sie das vorher zu Hause so ausgemacht hatten". (The rest really has too many issues for me to correct - that would amount to hard work, which I hate. ;) )

[fervent kernel]

Yeah that helps, is this a common structure?

[plush pelican]

yes, Germans put whole sentences in the place of where an adjective would go. It sounds ridiculous to me as an English native speaker 🤣

But I think this is usually in written/formal texts; in speech, I think that's normally not done, at least not to that degree

Here's an example from literally yesterday from the news:

https://www.tagesschau.de/eilmeldung/titan-tauchboot-insassen-tot-100.html

Die US-Küstenwache hat mitgeteilt, dass die am Meeresboden von einem Tauchroboter gefundenen Trümmerteile zum verschollenen Tauchboot "Titan" gehören. Für die Insassen des Bootes gebe es keine Überlebenschance.

"The US Coastguard shared that the on-the-sea-floor-by-a-diving-robot-found-debris-parts belong to the missing diving boat 'Titan'."

[long whale]

Wouldn't it be by-a-diving-robot-found - ?

[hushed dawn]

Zum Dank gab es bei der Jubiläumsfeier einen Großen Braunen oder eine Melange gratis.

Heißt "gratis", dass wenn man ein bestellung bestellt, bekommt ein "kostenloses Melange/Braun?

Also z.b., " buy 1 get 1 free" oder sowas.

[whole portal]

Nö, gratis an sich heißt einfach nur kostenlos.

[plush pelican]

maybe, 😅

I didn't consult DeepL, I just translated it myself on the fly 😄

[long whale]

Well, I was just wondering/curious. ;)

[fervent kernel]

DeepL translates this: Geheimer „Elon-Modus“: Hacker will Tesla-Autopilot geknackt haben to Secret "Elon mode": Hacker claims to have cracked Tesla Autopilot, I am curious why and how does "geknackt haben wollen" mean "claim"

[gusty silo]

jemand will etwas getan haben = someone claims to have done something

i guess the sense of will here stands at the confluence of the one in "He will have arrived by now" used for talking about possibly true events, and the sense that english doesn't have but german has of "to want", insofar as it relates to your opinion. sort of?

like, it's his perspective (somewhat like in the second sense of 'will') and it's a statement about something that may have happened but isn't verified (like in the first sense)

(but you wouldn't use this sense of will for presenting your claim. it's used only for distancing yourself from someone else's claim)

[icy flax]

Hi, Susana! Immer gut von dir zu lesen! Ich hab viel zu mehr als nötig geschrieben.. gestern Nacht hatten wir einen Stammtisch 😄 ich war voll aufgeregt

1. Wenn jemand mit jdm schon vorhin gesprochen hat, wie sich bei einer Situation zu benehmen, kann man sagen, dass eine "Vereinbarung/Einigung/Abmachung getroffen wurde", oder?

2. Darf ich übrigens selbst versuchen, den Text zu korrigieren und wieder hier reinposten?

[plush pelican]

I had a conversation a while back where I saw something that I think might be related: #questions message

SPD will in Bremen wieder mit den Grünen und Linken regieren.

[gusty silo]

hm, it is different in the end.
that case is for expressing their actual intention and they would also put it like that
the use of will ... haben there is specifically for repeating a claim about something without also affirming the truthfulness of the statement

[plush pelican]

What about this? Is that, "Does Belarus want to provoke?"

[gusty silo]

this is again just about intention rather then distancing yourself from a claim

any distancing the article writer has done is contained within the question mark

[plush pelican]

I find that German news uses "wollen" in headlines in a way quite unlike "want" is used in English headlines, and I can't quite seem to wrap my head around it

Like, you wouldn't tend to read an English headline saying, "Does Belarus want to provoke?"

[gloomy shoal]

There's wollen in the sense of restating something someone said about themself which is quite different from English:

[plush pelican]

Where's the picture from?

[gloomy shoal]

Chapter 61 of Grammatik Aktiv B2-C1

[plush pelican]

Really need to buy that 😅

[plush pelican]

@gusty silo So even in the present tense, you can express a distance to the statement

[gloomy shoal]

You can also google it under "wollen subjektive Bedeutung" and find articles about it.

[plush pelican]

No, I should get the book anyway to make sure I'm hitting all the grammar I need to be hitting

[gloomy shoal]

Definitely recommended. I was just mentioning in case you wanted to find out more info on the topic right this second.

[gusty silo]

true

[plush pelican]

but...didn't you say it wasn't about expressing distance to the claim?

[gusty silo]

your example with Belarus doesn't read like this to me

[plush pelican]

What about if it were a statement: Belarus will provozieren

[gusty silo]

then its a claim about Belarus's inentions or plans are

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[gusty silo]

it's just the question that makes it not a direct claim in the headline

journalists love saying things and then putting a questionmark at the end

[gloomy shoal]

So something like: "Does Belarus intend to provoke?"

[gusty silo]

because it's very suggestive

yes

[plush pelican]

https://tenor.com/view/anchor-man-ron-burgandy-auto-correct-fail-will-ferrell-gif-5505593

[fervent kernel]

I have also noticed something similar with "jemand soll etwas getan haben" meaning something along the lines of "allegedly" or something similar, is there an overarching theme or is it just a coincidence?

[plush pelican]

yeah, I've noticed that a lot

https://deutschegrammatik20.de/spezielle-verben/modalverben/subjektive-modalverben-distanzierung/

[gusty silo]

in this case it simply reads as: a polish office thinks belarus wants to provoke, we're going to put it as a question because we cant look into Lukashenka's brain and neither can we look into the future

[gusty silo]

^

it is a common mechanism in german

[fervent kernel]

but how would you differentiate between "Peter wants to be rich" and "Peter claims to be rich", just context i guess?

[plush pelican]

Gute Frage 🤔

[gloomy shoal]

I think it's just an ambiguous double entendre in those cases.

[gusty silo]

mhm. Peter will reich sein as a distancing thing isnt all that common tbh

Peter will reich werden is less unambiguous yet id say

[plush pelican]

But this is what I'm talking about: Peter is not saying he wants to be rich, it's expressing that he is claiming to be rich.

SPD will in Bremen wieder mit den Grünen und Linken regieren.

Couldn't we understand that as they are claiming that they will rule with the Greens and Die Linke again, not that they want to rule with them again?

[gusty silo]

Peter hat vor, reich zu werden is entirely unambiguous

[plush pelican]

This is what I meant when I said in the earlier conversation that it's a use of "wollen" that sounds an awful lot like the English "will" in some cases

[gloomy shoal]

The wieder would indicate to me that the SPD intends/plans to rule once again with the Greens and the Left, but that it is not inevitable.

[plush pelican]

I mean "wieder" because they had already ruled with them before

I believe at the time that was the government before the election, exactly that coalition

[gusty silo]

its not a huge distinction either way

talking about the future in languages is often modal, that is, relating to judgements

[gloomy shoal]

I meant in the sense that it shows that it's talking about plans/desires for the future and not about a claim the SPD are making about themselves.

[long whale]

1. Vereinbarung/Abmachung, yes. Einigung (+ erzielen; is only used after initial disagreement) 2. Of course, up to you. ;)

[hot nexus]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen keiner und keinerlei

[icy flax]

none and "none at all"

[hot nexus]

Brigadu

[icy flax]

😮 Dinada! ^^

[earnest night]

Which is correct

"Wenn du deine Meinung ver-äußern möchtest..."

"Wenn du deine Meinung äußern möchtest..."

My Sprachgefühl told me to put the 'ver'

[delicate tiger]

second one, unless you want to sell your opinion

[earnest night]

Then my Sprachgefühl is falsch💀, thanks for answering!

[acoustic breach]

"ich bin erlaubt, keine Hausaufgaben zu machen"

This means I am allowed to not do homework (means I can choose to not to do homework), right? Or does it mean "I am not allowed to do homework"?

[delicate tiger]

"jemandem etwas erlauben"

||Mir wurde erlaubt...||

[calm kernel]

so dass und damit: funktionieren dies wie so that and so auf Englisch?

[long whale]

Hmm... I'd say so dass ~ and as a consequence vs. damit ~ in order to

[calm kernel]

könntest du bezüglich deiner Erklärung einen Beispielsatz bilden

[long whale]

Die Bahn hatte Verspätung, so dass ich meinen Flug verpasste vs. Ich muss mich beeilen, damit ich nicht zu spät komme

[calm kernel]

achsooo, viel unterschiedlicher als das, was ich im Kopf hatte

vielen Dank Susana

[long whale]

viel unterschiedlicher -> ganz anders ;)

[fervent kernel]

can i say jap

like yup

[stiff quail]

I don't think there's slang in German? Correct me if I'm wrong.

[mint herald]

Hallo liebe leute, ich habe eine fragen was die unterschied zwischen zum und fürs? Wann benutze es ich?

[acoustic breach]

Every language has slangs/ colloquial words

[charred harbor]

You could argue that pretty much every German dialect is “slang”

Net, ned, nich - all regional/dialectal and all generally regarded as slang

[latent wadi]

😂 😢 😶

[stiff quail]

https://tenor.com/view/zukkan-the-ones-within-anime-sad-stressed-gif-16642818

(Someone mentioned it okay.)

Eh a little public humility never hurt.

[whole portal]

Yes that is very common

The idea of german only being spoken in one formal way is also pretty funny

[mint herald]

Hallo?

[fervent kernel]

Alles lecker

do yall say this?

[long whale]

There is no good answer to this question. Prepositions are tricky, not just in German. They need to be learnt in context, I'm afraid. ;)

[fervent kernel]

is wie lange fur dich correct?

[long whale]

*für/fuer - What are you trying to say?

[fervent kernel]

how long for you?

[long whale]

Some context?

[fervent kernel]

someone ask how long you learned german

u say 2 months, how long for you?

[whole portal]

Would probably say bei dir

but für dich should be fine

[long whale]

"Und du?"

[hushed dawn]

(Nomen) lag mit seiner Vision von (etwas) richtig.

Könnten jemand erklaren die verbindung zwischen liegen + mit + von ?

[fervent kernel]

Ist dieser Satz richtig? Kann man "ebenso wie" benutzen, indem man einen neuen Nebensatz macht?

"Im Folgenden gebe ich die Argumente gegen das Thema ebenso wie ich die Alternativen erkläre"

[long whale]

This has various issues. "geben" as a verb is... insufficient. It needs a prefix. And your second verb needs to be conjugated according to the subject.

-> There will be no "ebenso wie", at least not next to each other. And I'd preferably replace it with "und".

[fervent kernel]

What do you mean by prefix? 🤔

[long whale]

Argumente geben is gibberish in German. 🤷

-> wiedergeben

[fervent kernel]

As far as I know, "ebenso wie" means "as well as". I know that I can only use a word in English, but I wondered if I could use it with a "nebensatz"

Another follow-up question: can I use "ebenso wie" after the verb? Example:

Im Folgenden gebe ich die Argumente gegen das Thema wieder ebenso wie die Alternativen

[long whale]

... gegen das Thema ebenso wieder wie die Alternativen

[fervent kernel]

Achso. The usage is like "as much as". "so viel (verb) wie (noun)"

Danke 👍

[wispy jetty]

how can i get the @ activity role to get pinged for lessons?

[half ice]

You go to Channels & Roles, second "channel" on the list where you select what you want to get pinged for

[wispy jetty]

theres only one channel in the category for me ( #get-roles )

Wait i just figured it out. the browse category thing was opening the wrong tab for me, and I didnt see the other one. I got it now ahhaha

[half ice]

Ohh lol ok

[wispy jetty]

thanks anyway though

[hushed dawn]

Ist es richtig zu sagen “ ich habe mit Deutsch Lernen angefangen” statt von “ich habe angefangen , Deutsch zu lernen.

[long whale]

No. You'd have to change it to "Ich habe mit dem Deutschlernen angefangen", which sounds pretty clumsy to me, compared to the other version.

[hushed dawn]

Okey ! 👍

[calm kernel]

Sind Tabelle und Grafiken dasselbe? Wie unterscheidet man sie?

[hushed dawn]

"" Willkommen bei Zukunft heute, dem Podcast zu unserem Magazin."" Warum hat die Relativsatz mit "dem/dativ" angefangt? Wieso nicht nur Nominativ?

[long whale]

No. Eine Tabelle = table:

https://deutschlernerblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2015/11/Adjektivdeklination_alle_Deklinationstypen_in_einer_Tabelle.png

(those always look the same)

Eine Grafik = graph. There are lots of different kinds. They might look like this:

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-sVgqabE92Go/TbdifxcsE1I/AAAAAAAAAV4/dOdFatm3V3o/s1600/Graph.gif

Or like this:

https://www.asue.de/sites/default/files/asue/themen/blockheizkraftwerke/2010/grafiken/05_01_10_grafik-05a-2010-015_f.jpg

And there are many, many more kinds.

[calm kernel]

alright ty

[undone verge]

maaaybe because of the preposition 'bei' in the first clause, still being applied to the latter here

but I honestly would've expected nominative, too. It's not always easy to catch all the extensions and implications 😅

[wise pendant]

This is the correct explanation I'd say but nominative would have worked as well imo

[hushed dawn]

Herzlichen Dank

[hushed dawn]

Normalerweise benutzt man "sein" mit adjektiv und "haben" mit Nomen, ja ? Aber es wurde gesagt, " ich habe es eilig" und nich ich bin eilig ? Ist der letztere bestimmt falsch ?

nicht*

[ripe dust]

Muss ich, 'n A2 - B1 Grammatik lernende Mensch, solche Sätze in meinen Texten nutzen? Jedoch lerne ich mit solchen Sätzen schwierige Konstruktionen der Grammatik.

[calm kernel]

Können wir "angesichts" mit "dass" verwenden?
Z.B.
Angesichts der Situation bei der Finanzierung des Studiums
Muss ich oder der Satz ohne angesichts umformulieren, so wie: Wenn man berücksichtigt, wie schlecht die Situation...

[long whale]

There is no "dass" in your example... 🤷 Angesichts dessen, wie unschön der Nominalstil ist, stimme ich für Option 2. ;)

[long whale]

Correct. Ich bin eilig doesn't work. We do say "Ich bin in Eile", though. I'd say both are idiomatic expressions which need to be learnt as is. ;)

[long whale]

Please note none of this was written by a German native speaker -> it's riddled with mistakes.

[calm kernel]

dessen + w fragen. Danke Susana vor allem für die implizierte Hilfe, was mir lieber(?) gefällt. 😅

[long whale]

lieber sehr gut/besonders gut gefällt ;)

[calm kernel]

also, das bedeutet, dass ich mit anderen genitiv Präpositionen das machen kann🤯 anhand, mit Hilfe...

[long whale]

What I did above? Yes.

[ripe dust]

I understand that there are probably a lot of grammatical and spelling errors here, and the fact that native speakers don't speak like that.
I have already checked this passage of my text with DeepL and Languagetool.

[fervent kernel]

Where is the difference between "vedrängen" und "ersetzen"?

In dieser Reaktion wird eine an das Proton gebundene schwache Base durch eine stärke Base nucleophil verdrängt

[long whale]

verdrängen implies [brute] force: to drive sth/so out, ersetzen just means to replace (dictionaries help...) ;)

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[sharp axle]

Er möchte mit dem Geld eine Reise machen, am liebsten nach Island und möglichst lange. Why we said here "Möglichst lange" why not "Am möglichsten" and why we added "E" at the end of "Lange"

[plush pelican]

There's an expression where you combine "möglichst" with an adjective to mean "as (blank) as possible"

möglichst bald = as soon as possible
möglichst früh = as early as possible
etc, etc.

Not sure about the E.

[sharp axle]

Thanks mate that helps me alot

There's an E

[plush pelican]

I'm not doubting whether there's an E, I'm saying I can't explain it, I don't know why it's there.

[sharp axle]

Ähh got ya

[long whale]

lange is more common in written German, lang is more common in spoken German, that's all.

@plush pelican

[hushed dawn]

"Oben auf der Kiste stand in meiner Handschrift ,, Nicht vor dem (datum) öffnen!"

Ich habe nicht verstanden, hat "stand" hier die gleiche bedeutung von "gibt es" ?

[undone verge]

usually stehen is used instead of 'geben' for text on something

[hushed dawn]

beide "von etwas sprechen" und "über etwas sprechen" übersitzen als "speak about", aber was genau ist der Unterschied ?

[long whale]

übersitzen -> werden mit... übersetzt

There is no real difference.

[hushed dawn]

Okay

[hushed dawn]

Jemand fragte " Weißt du, wie wiele Wolkenkratzer es gibt". Und die Antwort war "So um die 40".
Es ist solch gesagt " so um die (Nummer) oder eben " um (Nummer) ?

[long whale]

Es ist solch gesagt (not even sure what you were trying to say with this) - um 40 doesn't work. circa 40/ungefähr 40/etwa 40/um die 40. And adding in "so" makes it even more vague and a little colloquial.

[hushed dawn]

I wanted to say " Is it said so as .... "

Wie kann ich es richtig sagen ?

[long whale]

Man sagt also "..."

[hushed dawn]

Wie kann man "lauten" benutzen ? z.B, "mein Fazit lautet". Aber ich verstehe das gar nicht.

[long whale]

You can think of it as basically a fancy way of saying "is/are", used with words.

Seine letzten Worte lauteten "..." = His last words were "..."

[hushed dawn]

Selbstverständlich. (ist richtig zu sagen? so wie Verstanden)

[fervent kernel]

Verwendet ihr "im Anzug sein" um etwas Drohendes, das sich nähert, zu beschreiben? Ist es häufig benutzt?

zB: Das Gewitter ist im Anzug und wir müssen zu Hause bleiben.

[hot nexus]

Is this sentence correct

Es gibt noch Haferflocken in den Pfannkuchen

I was thinking if it should be dative or accusative

[long whale]

Well, if you reply by saying "of course/selbstverständlich", I'll start wondering why you asked, or what I misunderstood. ;)

[long whale]

You'd say "es sind" instead of "es gibt" (~ they exist). And are you sure you wanted to use "noch/still"?

[hot nexus]

I wanted to say already

[long whale]

Häufig - no, I don't think so. *reinbleiben -> bleiben

[long whale]

Ah, as in: you already added them to the batter? -> schon

[hushed dawn]

Ach so.
Gut, dass ich das jetzt gekannt habe 🙂

[long whale]

gekannt habe weiß

[hot nexus]

Yes

Schon, I always mix noch and schon

[hot nexus]

Should I say im Pfannkuchen oder in den Pfannkuchen

[long whale]

im -> only 1 pancake...

[sharp axle]

"Aber so" how can i use it correctly ?

Like "Ich arbeite jeden Tag 15 bis 16 Stunden, aber so kann ich viel Geld verdienen"

But i do not know what is the meaning exactly

[long whale]

I.1.3 here: https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/so?bidir=1

[hot nexus]

Thank you!!!!!

So it is dative masculine?

[charred harbor]

[hushed dawn]

"Er war sehr müde, als er nach Hause kam".
Soll hier nicht "wenn" statt "als" benutzt ?

Mein Verständnis ist, es konnte mehrmals, also "zu hause ankommen" passieren, sodass "wenn" benutzt wird, oder ?

[long whale]

It depends entirely on context.

Er war [immer] sehr müde, wenn er nach Hause kam. vs. Er war sehr müde, als er [e.g. an diesem Abend] nach Hause kam.

[ripe dust]

Von dem originalen Text ist gar fast nichts mehr übrig... Danke für Chat GPT.

( Written with Ctrl + U indicates a change, and with a gray background new to me words )

[fervent kernel]

Aber diese Redewendung ist verwandt um diese Lage zu beschreiben?

[hushed dawn]

Hat "sich kümmern um" die gleiche bedeutung wie "sorge für" ?

ist es "Morgen habe ich frei" oder "Morgen bin ich frei" ?

[delicate tiger]

frei haben -> nicht arbeiten müssen/nicht zur Schule gehen müssen
frei sein -> kein Sklave sein

"sich um jemanden kümmern" / "für jemanden sorgen" haben ähnliche Bedeutungen

[hushed dawn]

Wow ! Was für einen großen Unterschied !

Vielen Dank 🙂

[manic hollow]

Was sind die Unterschieden in Benutzung?

[south zenith]

„So“ can mean „like this/that“
„Aber So kann ich viel Geld verdienen“ - „but this way I can earn a lot of money“

[fervent kernel]

I just forgot what word is used in German to mean all studies (Bachelor, Master, PhD etc.) There was a difference between "Studium" and something similar to that word

[drowsy cloud]

I don't know what you mean by that

[delicate tiger]

"Studiengänge" ?

[fervent kernel]

Das wonach ich gesucht habe. Danke

[hushed dawn]

"Er lag mit seiner Vision richtig." Ist "lag" hier richtig zu benutzen, oder soll man stattdessen "war" benutzt ?

[real trench]

statt "es tut mir leid" oder "tut mir leid", könnte ich einfach "sorry" sagen?

[delicate tiger]

ja, aber nur informell/gesprochen

[fervent kernel]

I am curious

Could english names pass as german names?

[hot nexus]

Warum "wenn"? Doesn't it mean "if"?

[manic hollow]

It actually usually means "when" but German doesn't have a direct equivalent to "if" so it is substituted by when

[delicate tiger]

depends, many names that come from latin/greek/the bible are written the same way, but pronounced differently

[hot nexus]

Oh, I always tought that when was "wann"

[icy flax]

Is there any name at all that is pronounced the same in both languages?

[delicate tiger]

can't think of one right now

[daring dove]

Here is a helpful video that explains the differences between "wenn" and "wann." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8efPdxd6fQc

[half stump]

take it yourself ( something) as in 'you take the toys, - no, take them yourself! is this a good way to put it > (Du )nimmst die Spielzeug,
-Nein, nimm sie selbst!

[plush pelican]

"wenn" can mean both "if" and "when"

https://app.chatterbug.com/grammar/german/wann-wenn-falls-als-ob

[half stump]

who can help? take it yourself ( something) as in 'you take the toys, - no, take them yourself! is this a good way to put it > (Du )nimmst die Spielzeuge,
-Nee, nimm sie selbst!

[old roost]

what's the difference between mitkommen and mithalten in "keep up" meaning?

[mint herald]

Mitkommen ist zum beispiel
"Mitkommen, wir sind fast dort!" Art des Szenario
Aber die andere, Ich weiß nicht die antwort

[old roost]

danke

[mint herald]

Kein problem 👍

[old roost]

is mitkommen more common to use?

[mint herald]

Um das
Ja ich denke so

[long whale]

mit jdm mitkommen means both "to keep up with" and "to come with sb, to accompany sb". So, if there might be a misunderstanding, e.g. when you're going hiking, you'll say "Ich kann [beim Wandern] nicht mit meinen Freunden mithalten". Otherwise, you'll probably say "Ich komme in Mathe nicht mit" (I can't keep up [with the others/with the class] in maths).

[long whale]

Nimm das Spielzeug! - Nein, nimm du es! (Spielzeug isn't really used in plural, you can use it for both 1 toy and for toys)

[half stump]

thanks a lot Susana. I came back on now and saw your text.

[old roost]

So mithalten is to physically keep up and mitkommen is metaphorically?

[wanton glen]

not necessarily physically but broadly said yes i think

all in the context of the original question, mitkommen is rather a mental thing id say. like "ich kann nicht mit deiner erzählung mitkommen" "I cant keep up with the story your telling" whilest mithalten usually refers to skills id say.

like i cant keep up with the [x]-skills of [y] will always be mithalten

ich kann nicht mit den [x]-skills* von [y] mithalten

*(fähigkeiten, but most germans would use skills too i think)

[rancid flame]

Why is it that "den" was used here when "mit" precedes it?

[wanton glen]

because im stupid

nvm

i cant keep up with the math skills of mark

its like that the there

you wouldnt say i cant keep up with math skills from adam

its different if you say adams math skills however (obv)

so like i cant keep up with adams math skills

ich kann nicht mit adams mathe fertigkeiten (ohoho nother german word for skills) mithalten

[earnest night]

Mit always requires dativ, and dativ plural is 'den'

[earnest night]

Does fertigkeiten's literal meaning is

'readiness' or idk

[wanton glen]

no its just as fähigkeiten but in a less superhero connotation

[earnest night]

I mean

"He is already ready for math"

His readiness in math is already good

Daymn

Wait

[wanton glen]

i mean thats the origin

[wanton glen]

i think fähigkeit is since birth and fertigkeit is learned

but not so sure and its not used after that rule really

i think as a german learner you can mostly interchange it without it mattering really

[earnest night]

Ohh

Aight thanks

[wanton glen]

its also as i said not really used as much and most germans would just say skills its also more oldfashioned

[earnest night]

Yeah, there is alot of words in german that's old fashioned

[wanton glen]

german is in many ways a culture hub so our language changes naturally picking up many loanwords

even tho there are german words for them

[earnest night]

Speaking of old fashioned, can you just don't use dative -E, like at all, i heard that's old fashioned

Even with the word that gets the dativ -e

Hause, Volke, Grunde(i think)

Sinne

[wanton glen]

i dont think its that old fashioned

i always use those

but many dont yeah

[hushed dawn]

"Durch Zufall und Pleiten, Pech und Pannen kann man sehr viel lernen und es können zufällige Erfindungen entstehen, die die Welt verändern können."

Warum ist es " es können" und nicht "sie können" ?

[hot nexus]

Guten morgen. ""Ich trinke mehr als zwanzig Tassen Kaffe am Tag", sagte er. " Um durchzuhalten. Oder vielleicht, um es auszuhalten""

What's the difference between durchzuhalten un auszuhalten?

[near folio]

hier ist eine ähnliche Frage und eine Antwort dazu: https://de.hinative.com/questions/18632715

[mighty citrus]

Danke für die Klarstellung

[earnest night]

Is mine :
Meines {n}{m}
Meiner {f}
And yours :
Deines {n}{m}
Deiner {f}
??

[plain umbra]

No, the ending will be the same as der/die/das, so it changes by gender and case.

[earnest night]

Owhhh

[plain umbra]

So in nominative it's meiner (m), meines (n) and meine (f).

[earnest night]

Ohhh, it works like

Eines meiner Autos ist kaputt

[plain umbra]

No, that's different.

That's "my", not "mine".

[earnest night]

Yah i know

I mean "eines"

[plain umbra]

Oh yeah, that's correct.

[earnest night]

Aight thanks man!

[hushed dawn]

"Eher gehe ich zu Fuß, als ein teures Taxi zu nehmen"

Heißt das, dass beide Möglichkeiten ungerne sind, aber zu Fuß macht er lieber ??
Ist das der Unterschied zwischen eher und lieber ?

[long whale]

Same difference as between "I'd sooner" and "I'd rather" 🤷

[fervent kernel]

does it make sense to say ''die prüfung hat gesagt, dass ich K niveau bin''?

or would using something like ''zeigen'' be better?

[long whale]

Definitely, yes. Exams don't really talk, at least not in German. ;)

[fervent kernel]

danke

[hot nexus]

Melanie ist gern unter Menschen.

warum benutzt man ''ist' in diese Satz ? Und warum ''unter'' . Macht keinen Sinn für mich

[whole portal]

not sure about what's weird about ist here, unter is also used similar to zwischen sometimes

[wise pendant]

Achte darauf immer deine Nomen großzuschreiben

[hot nexus]

wouldn't it translate literally to something like ''Melanie is happily amongst people''?

[whole portal]

amongst

She likes to be amongst other people.

With is also similar here but it implies that she knows them which unter doesn't necessarily

[long whale]

Even if it did, I'm afraid you'll have to get accustomed to the fact that German is a language of its own, not just a version of English using different words/spelling -> a literal translation may not always make sense, but it is nevertheless what we say. ;)

[hot nexus]

Ich deine Schelte gern

[long whale]

This is missing a verb... 😄

[hot nexus]

ich..

hatte deine Schelte gern?

[long whale]

habe?

höre?

lese?

[long whale]

-> I liked your telling-off ;)

[hot nexus]

[hot nexus]

Another question about adverbs:
As far as I know, adverbs can be placed in the beginning of a sentence and in the middle of a sentence.
If you have a direct object ( Acusative), you should place the adverb before it (unless it's a pronoun) .
If you have an indirect object (Dative) , you should place the adverb after it .

So I was doing this exercise where I had to check if the adverb was placed correctly and this sentence is confusing me :
1- Wir halfen dem Kind gestern bei den Hausaufgaben.
''DEM kind'' is dative, but isn't ''bei'' also dative ? Shouldn't it be 2 - Wir halfen dem Kind bei den Hausaufgaben gestern ?
The website says the first sentence is right.

[hushed dawn]

Darf ich Sie fragen, welche Name hat die Webseite, wenn es kostenlose Grammatik Teil hat ?

[hushed dawn]

Sagt man, "Du liegst es ins Eisfach ins Kühlschrank" oder nur "Du liegst es ins Eisfach" ?

[undone verge]

Du stellst es ins Eisfach

ins Kühlschrank after ins Eisfach definitely doesn't work, you could say 'ins Eisfach (im Kühlschrank)' i.e. the ice-box in the fridge but I'd rather without

[hot nexus]

auf jeden fall

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar

[maiden vector]

Your rule says the answer: "dem Kind" is the indirect object in that sentence. "Bei" is a dative preposition--the noun after it takes dative but it's not the indirect object

[hot nexus]

Right 😄

[hot nexus]

What is this noun, then?

[maiden vector]

"den Hausaufgaben?" Idk if there's a special grammar name for it, it's just the noun that the preposition is referring to

You can have loads of prepositions in a sentence but only one direct object and/or one indirect object

[plush pelican]

you mean the "object of the preposition"?

[maiden vector]

Haha yeah, special grammar name

[hot nexus]

Präpositionalobjekt

[hushed dawn]

Draufkommen vs. raten. Gibt es einen Unterschied ?

[delicate tiger]

auf etwas kommen - die Lösung finden
raten - eine Vermutung anstellen

[hushed dawn]

Ich könnte "nur noch" nicht verstanden. Könnten jemand es erleichtern?

[long whale]

nur noch X = only X left

[hushed dawn]

Verwenden vs benützen. Gibt es auch einen Unterschied ?

[lament forge]

benutzen*

[hushed dawn]

"Geht es" wird immer in diesem Form verwendet ? Kann es nicht "Gehen es" sein ? Also z.b., in Pluralbildungen
I mean (there are , not there is)

Gehen sind*

[lament forge]

imo they just differ in their degree of formality?

[hushed dawn]

Welches ist Formell ?

[lament forge]

verwenden würde ich sagen

[hushed dawn]

Vielen Dank

[lament forge]

kein Problem!

[fervent kernel]

hi bin neues mitglied

[jade wharf]

im very very new to german so please excuse me if it’s a dumb question but when i want to refer to something as mine, would i base the gender off the noun im referring to or me as a person which would be feminine. like idk if i wanted to say my dog would i say mein hund because hund is masculine or would i say meine hund because im referring to myself and im feminine?

[manic hollow]

Depends on the actual noun at hand. Don't think about the noun classes as explicitly a matter of gender expression, otherwise you'll get tripped up by Das Mädchen.

[manic hollow]

German does not do declension between the subjects and objects of a sentence, only by whatever the article is actually associated with. In your case, it's "der Hund" or "die Hündin", regardless of your gender

[jade wharf]

okay thank you 🙏

[plush pelican]

To be clear: it's based entirely off the gender of the noun (and the case of the noun in the sentence). Nothing gets changed based on the gender of the person speaking.

[fervent kernel]

Warum kann ich nicht sprechen

Es wurde mir verboten, in der Gruppe zu sprechen.

[earnest night]

Is this the usage of worden and geworden?

Ich bin befördert worden
Ich bin als einen Polizisten geworden

Bcoz there is a 'verb' the werden became the 'worden', and if there is no verb, it became 'geworden'?

[long whale]

Ask the mods: #report-issue

[long whale]

1st one is fine. 2nd doesn't work. "werden/to become" works like "sein": it requires Nominativ on both sides.

[earnest night]

Owh, so it's, ich bin (als?) ein Polizist geworden?

[long whale]

Ich bin Polizist geworden = I became a policeman

;)

[earnest night]

Okay, so it works like that?

Worden : with verb
Geworden : without verb

[long whale]

I'm not sure what you mean?

[earnest night]

In the first sentence, there is the verb 'befördert' behind the 'worden' and in the 2nd sentence, there is no verb behind 'geworden'

[long whale]

Ah. Yes.

[earnest night]

Aight, thanks!!

[south zenith]

i forget the name but i think its that worden is used with past participles (i think theyre called that)

[plain umbra]

Worden is when the werden is being used to make Passiv. Geworden is when it's not.

[earnest night]

Ohh, passiv is like

Dieses Geschirr ist gespült worden?

But i think would rather say

Dieses Geschirr wurde gespült

[plain umbra]

Sure.

[earnest night]

Aight thanks man!

[south zenith]

yes
wurden = geworden sein
wurden = worden sein
geworden sein ≠ worden sein

[fervent kernel]

yeah, the worden form is not much used, but it can be a part of any written text.

[old girder]

would you call this "Blatt" or "Papier"?

[oblique gulch]

Papier

[rare jetty]

Ein Blatt Papier xD

If I'm talking about multiple sheets of paper (5+) I'd say das Papier ("Kannst du das Papier im Drucker nachfüllen?")

[old girder]

ohh

i see thank you

i thought Blatt was only for leaves but i saw someone using Übungsblätter and that got me thinking

[hushed dawn]

Verfügbar = available z.B, Ist das Gerät im Geschaft verfügbar ?
Lieferbar = deliverable ? Sind sie heute lieferbar ?

Ist das Richtig ?

[scenic surge]

yup, schaut gut aus :)
(Geschäft mit ä)

[hushed dawn]

Der Referent erzählt von einem Erlebnis, das alle kennen oder verstehen können.

Soll das nicht "wissen" sein ?
Ich meine, man kann es dazu umwandeln "Sie wissen, was er erzählt hat".

[south zenith]

Kennen gilt hier nicht dem was er erzählt, sondern dem Erlebnis

[plush pelican]

Go back and take a slow look at that relative pronoun again. What is it referring to?

There's only 2 nouns in the first clause, and "Referent" is masculine, so it must be referring to "das Erlebnis"

Reorder the second clause and insert the thing the relative pronoun is referring to:

, das alle kennen oder verstehen können.
Alle kennen das Erlebnis oder können es verstehen.

I've often found it helpful to "unroll" relative clauses or question sentences like this into a Hauptsatz, when the clause/sentence is a bit complexer and I've sort of lost the thread.

[hushed dawn]

Verstanden ❤️

[icy flax]

(...) aber wenn das nur irgendwie sowas ist dass du so eine Stunde geplant hast, dann machst du so 15 Minuten und dann plätschst noch 10 Minuten dahin, das macht.. das zieht mich runter, das macht mich fertig, das ertrag ich nicht.

Ich finde keinen Eintrag für "X Minuten dahin plätschen".. Ich muss das Verb verhört haben, könnt ihr das Wort erraten? Dabei beschwert er sich, wie schlecht es ist, wenn er länger als nötig bei einer Meeting bleiben muss.

[plush pelican]

platzieren?

[icy flax]

Hier um 16m44s
https://open.spotify.com/episode/7u4GuuRIArz5ZjP06Mm7li?si=YQfGy7i_RXqCZ5s2TTDtmQ

[long whale]

plätschern ;)

[icy flax]

Daaaas!!!

[plush pelican]

dabble 10 minutes on it?

Does that give the idea of like dribbling a liquid over something?

[long whale]

dahinplätschern... oof... I mean, I can't watch this thing, so, I lack the larger context. It's often used for having an empty/uninteresting conversation (das Gespräch plätscherte so dahin), but it might also be somebody doing nothing much in particular (die Zeit/die Tage plätschert/plätschern so dahin).

More like liquid dribbling away, I'd say.

[plush pelican]

Danke, Susana

[calm kernel]

When can I use "etwas" for the meaning "ein bisschen"?

Ich brauchte etwas Zeit um zu überlegen.
Is it correct for example?

[long whale]

Your sentence is fine, yes. However, I'd say it translates to "some time", while I'd say "ein bisschen Zeit" = a little time, you know?

[sage swift]

what does "scheisse" mean i forgot.

I have seen "scheisse" on alot of german memes.

[south zenith]

Shit

Sometimes the equivalent of “fucking” when put at the beginning of another noun

Ich habe das Scheißgeld vergessen
I forgot the fucking money

A general swear

[sage swift]

Ok thanks.

[calm kernel]

even its a compound word now? 💀

[scenic surge]

I personally don't use the word "scheiße" at all, because it just doesn't flow or sound good.

But, if you wanna use it as in 'I forgot the fuckin' money',
then you have to say 'Ich habe das scheiß Geld vergessen''.
If you put the words together as in 'Scheißgeld' then I would understand something like 'shitmoney' like money for shitting haha

[south zenith]

Ach meine Schuld, hab es nur gehört, nie gesehen

[scenic surge]

Kein Problem 😅
Wollte nur klarstellen :)
Aber gute Deutschkenntnisse in dem Gebiet! haha xD

[long whale]

Eh - no. As far as I know and also according to DWDS, "scheiß" is not an adjective. -> Scheißgeld is the only correct way of writing it. ;) @south zenith

[gusty silo]

it's not the first time i've seen speaker intuition differ on this

a general problem of syntactic interpretation of these expletive compounds, happens with a bunch of different words

they don't inflect, that's for sure, but if they're interpreted as part of a compound or as a different sort of modifier...

(they do take Fugenelemente though, don't they?)

i think it's the stress/prosody that is/can be different from normal compounds, but i'm not sure

[scenic surge]

oh, sorry for my lack of knowledge 😬
it still looks hella wrong to see the words written as one tho xD
also after putting the compound word into google (Scheißgeld)
most results also write it as 2 seperate words
if it's actually written as one, then at least i'm not the only one writing it wrong haha

[undone verge]

Scheißgeld almost seems like it would be a new word for money made of...you know...or something 😅

I always just assumed it was kinda like in english using the f-word as every part of speech

[calm kernel]

Die erste Grafik behandelt die deutschen Ausgewanderten. In der zweiten Grafik geht es um die Zielländer **dieser**. So is a correct way to refer to the person's that are mentioned before?

[undone verge]

looks alright

[gusty silo]

i myself would also write it apart tbh

[gusty silo]

yup

[calm kernel]

Ich nach bestanden der Fahrprüfung:
I saw this in IG in a meme page but i don't understand the structuring. Is bestanden a noun here?

[undone verge]

it is identical to english: me after passing the driving test

and yes, bestanden is a noun here

[delicate tiger]

don't leaarn from meme pages, they use deliberately wrong German to be funny.

[dusk musk]

^

[calm kernel]

interesting i couldnt find anywhere that says it can be a noun like that

[calm kernel]

yeah ik

[plush pelican]

To be fair, it should be capitalized precisely to avoid this kind of confusion

[delicate tiger]

it's not, it's just wrong

don't try to make sense of meme pages

[calm kernel]

do u talk like this in everyday speech tho?

okay ty for the clarification

darauf hinweisen, dass
darauf hindeuten, dass
can i use them interchangeably?

[long whale]

nach Bestehen ;)

[long whale]

Only when it's something pointing to[wards] something: es/alles weist OR deutet darauf hin, dass

If it's a person, you can only use "hinweisen": er/sie wies/en darauf hin, dass...

[plush pelican]

How wonderfully complicated 😅

[calm kernel]

i'm completely lost but ty ahaha

[plush pelican]

If it's a thing, it can either auf etwas hinweisen OR auf etwas hindeuten.
If it's a person, a person can only auf etwas hinweisen.

Apparently.

[calm kernel]

alr ty

[long whale]

Don't you have verbs like that in English? Like... to amount to sth. You don't usually use it with people, do you? It's usually used impersonally, isn't it?

[plush pelican]

he's amounted to nothing -- He has done nothing with his life

[long whale]

Yes. And "He amounted to X" - ?

[plush pelican]

I mean, we probably have such verbs, but I can't think of them at the moment 😅

he amounted to nothing

it's often used in a negative sense, I think 😄

[calm kernel]

both hinweisen and hindeuten are translated to point/point out by deepL

[long whale]

I know. But try to use it with "something" :)

[plush pelican]

he amounted to a useless sack of shit

he amounted to a false note in the song of life

[long whale]

Right.

[plush pelican]

now I'm getting poetic for some reason

[long whale]

Yes. That's because in English, it works with both people and things. While in German, you could say "Tom deutete auf das Auto", but saying "Tome deutete auf das Auto hin" would be pretty... unusual, to put it mildly.

[plush pelican]

wait, so you can use deuten with a person, but not hindeuten?

that...just made it even more complicated

[plush pelican]

Very often, "amount to" is used with a person when talking about career and their overall life accomplishments.

"You're never going to amount to anything, if you keep smoking grass!"

[calm kernel]

wtf ausspucken means spit out right?

[plush pelican]

more context would help

[calm kernel]

how can a "band" spit out big rocks

[plush pelican]

Are you sure "Band" means band

[calm kernel]

in my native language it means band

[plush pelican]

or is it like, parts of a glacier that spit out rocks as it retreated

[calm kernel]

idk in english tho

[plush pelican]

Canada was strongly impacted by glaciers

[calm kernel]

its like a line

pathway

[plush pelican]

and glaciers commonly have rocks in them that they can drag for miles and miles

"Band" has a lot of meanings. I'm not sure you have the right one

give us some more context!

[plush pelican]

a small Eisband...das Band

[calm kernel]

i still don

t get it

[plush pelican]

a small belt of ice

like a stretch of ice 500 km long

It seems we are talking about glaciers here

[calm kernel]

isnt eisband means like a pathway made of ice

[plush pelican]

"Band" has multiple definitions

Here:

https://www.itchywheels.de/kanada-teil-8-alaska-kanada/

Vor lauter Quatschen kamen wir dann erst mittags los und holperten gemächlich die schlechte Gravelroad zum „Salmon Glacier“ hinauf – bei dem Anblick des Gletschers fiel uns dann allerdings die Kinnlade nach unten … Ein gigantisches Eisband schiebt sich den Berg herab – und das in einer Dimension, die wir hier nicht erwartet hätten.

Because of all the chatting, we didn't get going until noon and leisurely bumped up the bad gravel road to the "Salmon Glacier" - but when we saw the glacier, our jaws dropped ... A gigantic ice band is pushing its way down the mountain - and in a dimension that we wouldn't have expected here.

it's a giant thing of ice

Glaciers move over time, you know?

[calm kernel]

yea

[plush pelican]

As they travel, they end up picking up rocks from the ground underneath of them

the rocks can then end up traveling with the glacier for a long time

until eventually the rocks get "spit out" somewhere

by which it just means, "the rocks get ejected from the ice and left somewhere"

[calm kernel]

i see interesting

[plush pelican]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glacial_erratic

So you can end up with a rock that's, say, made out of limestone, except the area that the rock is in doesn't contain any limestone, so scientists can clearly see, "This rock isn't from this area"

That rock could have been transported by humans...or by glaciers over time.

[plush pelican]

In Canada, Brian John discovered the opposite of the Stonehenge - conveyer belt. Two ice storms in Alberta in west Canada during the last ice age 18,000 years ago created a small band of ice 500 km long. That band spit out hundreds of rocks southeast of Calgary, reports the Geologist Brian John.

So it's a competing explanation for how rocks of a different type could end up in an area without humans having transported them there.

[calm kernel]

much more understandable now ty for the explanation

also i really hate it when they expect us to know about all this overly scientific geografical terms etc so we can choose the correct answer

[plush pelican]

To be fair, I think the idea is "Can you deal with new information in a foreign language?"

Now, that is a hat on top of a hat (a challenge on top of a challenge), but at the same time, you will be faced with that in the foreign language, should you ever move to Germany, right? So it is useful to be able to deal with that as part of learning the language.

[brave flint]

Wie heißt "Catfish" auf Deutsch? Ich meine nicht das Tier, sondern die Person, die anderem beim Online-Dating täuscht.

[charred harbor]

Man sagt im Deutschen auch Catfish

[brave flint]

danke

[plush pelican]

Is there a translation for "talking points" in German?

For example: When a politician is a guest on a talkshow, they often have specific prepared topics and/or phrases that they want the conversation to focus on.

When the moderator tries to ask them about something else, they will then often attempt to reframe the question in a way that gets them to where they can just repeat these talking points again, because they've determined that framing the answer in exactly this way is what the most people will like, even if the question isn't really about that or even if their answer doesn't really answer the question.

I found this Wikipedia article: https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talking_point

Which lists "Gesprächsthema" or "geschicktes Argument" as translations, but those really don't convey the meaning.

They also mention "Gesprächspunkte", but I'm not sure if that's a proper translation

[plain umbra]

dict.cc has Kernfragen.

[plush pelican]

Yeah, but talking points are usually answers, not questions

[plain umbra]

Kernantworten.

[latent wadi]

Brennpunkt, Schwerpunkt alternatively

is what I see

just slightly different but i think it still has the meaning

[dense obsidian]

"Brennpunkt" means something completely different. "Gesprächspunkte" is the corect word you're looking for.

[long whale]

vorgestanzte Phrasen is what I'd call what you describe. ;)

[plush pelican]

Did "Gesprächspunkte" already exist in German, or is that someone who took the English phrase and just translated the words individually into German?

Would "Gesprächspunkte" be commonly understood, the connotations about prepared answers that politicians tend to give?

[long whale]

Seems to have come about ca. 1950, so, it might, or it might not be a direct translation from English. - No, definitely doesn't carry that connotation. ;)

[plush pelican]

Danke Susana

Und jetzt sollte ich ins Bett bin ich schon im Bett, aber ich sollte einschlafen. 😄

[long whale]

Gesprächspunkte is just topics. Immer gern, Argus. ;)

(That is, topics mentioned during an official conversation, e.g. as in one head of state meeting another: afterwards, the news anchor might say sth like "Zu den Gesprächspunkten gehörten die Erweiterung der europäischen Union, wirtschaftliche Themen und eine gemeinsame Verteidungspolitik."

[charred jetty]

Kann ich sagen: ich gehe essend ins Bett?

[long whale]

If you can manage to munch on something while undressing/stretching yourself out under the covers, sure. ;)

@charred jetty

[charred jetty]

I always ask weird things. Vielen Dank

[misty ginkgo]

Hallo, "ich habe endlich Arbeit gefunden"

why is there no "eine" here (eine Arbeit)? Or was it omitted due to the informal register of the conversation

[long whale]

No, it's perfectly correct even in a formal register. Maybe you'd best file this under "idiomatic expressions". But please note: when a noun either has no plural, or one with a different meaning (as in this case), it's possible to use it without any article.

[misty ginkgo]

or one with a different meaning (as in this case)

oh what do you mean?

[long whale]

Well, in this case, Arbeit = employment, right? And in the sense of employment, Arbeit doesn't have a plural. die Arbeiten means something like different kinds of usually manual tasks, which might be done by one (multitalented) person, or by various people/companies.

[misty ginkgo]

Got it. Danke schön!!))

[hushed dawn]

Was genau ist der Unterschied zwischen "Abschließen" , "Beenden", und "Erledigen" ?

[stoic mauve]

@toxic stag, your message has been redirected here from #beginner-german:

shihao

Redirected by basementality

Hallo, what is the exact meaning of „Bei“ in the following sentence „Bei uns arbeiten Leute aus vielen Ländern.“

Jul 3, 2023, 2:32 PM

@random bane, your message has been redirected here from #beginner-german:

deadthedeadweight

Redirected by basementality

I suppose it is talking about some kind of enterprise or company, so here it would mean "With us (in our enterprise) work people from various countries"

Jul 3, 2023, 2:33 PM

[random bane]

@toxic stag

[toxic stag]

Danke, Ich habe es verstanden, dass Leute Subjekt(Nominativ) ist.

[toxic stag]

Ich habe eine Frage, was ist der unterschied zwischen „Ich arbeite mit ihm“ und „Ich arbeite bei ihm“? Oder sind „Ich arbeite mit ihm“ und „Ich arbeite bei ihm“ gleich? Vielen Dank!

[swift sand]

"Ich arbeite mit ihm" is "working with him".
"Ich arbeite bei ihm" is more like "I'm working for/at him/his place".

[toxic stag]

Oh I habe es verstanden, danke!

[frigid aurora]

Kann jemand mir ein Paar deutsche Serie/Filme oder Sit com empfehlen?

[plush pelican]

Kommst du mit deutscher Synchronisation klar? Oder willst du ausschließlich Filme/Serien, die ursprünglich auf Deutsch sind?

[frigid aurora]

deutsche Synchronisation ist auch oki aber Lieber ursprünglich Deutsch

[long whale]

"Mord mit Aussicht"

[frigid aurora]

ahahah Susana

du antwortest jeder typ Fragen

danke 😄

[plush pelican]

Auf Netflix gibt es viele Serien/Filme mit Synchro. Black Mirror, Physical 100, Seinfeld, usw. usf.

The Witcher, Shadow & Bone, Stranger Things...

Sandman

[long whale]

"Morden im Norden", "Sörensen hat Angst"

[plush pelican]

Wie viele "Morden" gibt es noch?

"Morden im Süden"
"Morden im Osten"
"Morden im Südosten"

😄

[whole portal]

Der Tatortreiniger?

Mord mit Aussicht

Hubert und Staller ist wahrscheinlich etwas fortgeschrittener durch den Dialekt.

[plush pelican]

Wie viel davon ist im Dialekt?

[long whale]

Nothing compared to the SoKo series, of which there must be 2 dozen. 😹

[long whale]

Loads.

[whole portal]

Na ja Christian Tramitz hat halt etwas Dialekt und Helmfried von Lüttichau auch

Und das sind die Hauptcharaktere

Hannes Ringlstetter auch (Nebencharakter) und viele Charaktere die in einzelnen Episoden auftauchen dann auch.

[swift sand]

Last one Laughing ist super

[frigid aurora]

ahaa super

[plush pelican]

Ist das die Serie, in der Komiker versuchen, einander zum Lachen zu bringen? Das habe ich echt peinlich gefunden

[swift sand]

Ich finds eigentlich sau lustig

[plush pelican]

Ich hasse peinliche Situationen 😬

[frigid aurora]

ahahhah

[plush pelican]

Vielleicht ist das der Grund

[frigid aurora]

als Introviert Person ich stimme zu

[whole portal]

Ich hab nichts gutes darüber gehört, aber gesehen habe ich's auch nicht.

[frigid aurora]

yoshi bist du c1 auf deutsch

[plush pelican]

I love the Topikalisierung where you put the verb in position 1 in that second clause, 😄
It's so different from English, it's still a bit crazy to wrap your head around it.

[plush pelican]

Gelbe Name bedeutet Muttersprachler

[whole portal]

Topiwas

[plush pelican]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Topikalisierung

[frigid aurora]

ohaaaa

[plush pelican]

"gesehen habe ich es auch nicht."

"gesehen" is in position 1 in that sentence

[frigid aurora]

JAAA VERRÜCKT

[plush pelican]

you "topicalized" gesehen

made it the topic of the sentence

[whole portal]

I see

[plush pelican]

Think about that sentence in English: "I have nothing good about it heard, but seen have I it also not."

🤣 It's so crazy for me as an English native speaker. I know the phenomenon, I understand it, but it's still a bit crazy to me.

(and no, I'm not translating word for word most of the time when I speak German, it just helps highlight how unusual the word order is for an English native speaker)

[fervent kernel]

Wie schlecht klingt es für eine Muttersprachlerin? Was würderst du tun wenn du das hörst? 😄

Einmal hat meine britishe Lehrerin gesagt, dass wenn man den Buchstabe "s" am Ende vergisst, klingt es nicht schön.

"He drinks" und "he drink"

[plush pelican]

You mean, for an English native speaker to hear that sentence I wrote out? It'd sound like you're having a stroke

[plush pelican]

"he drink" sounds like either you're a foreigner who's still learning the language or a poorly educated working class person.

[fervent kernel]

Must be the second one then. I never understood why it sounds bad

[plush pelican]

Because it's conjugated wrong

It's like saying, "Du trinke Wasser"

The verb doesn't match the subject

[calm kernel]

im having a hard time understanding this tabelle. 37 of 100 has made a praktikum. and at the right side, they made praktikums under some branches but the numbers dont match? there are more ppl at the right side

[long whale]

As far as I can see, those 2 statistics talk about different things. You interpreted the one on the left correctly - well, 37 out of 100 had at least 1. On the right, you can see the ratio of paid vs unpaid work in the different sectors.

[calm kernel]

alr

ty but such a nonsense for them to visualise it like that in the most confusing way

[calm kernel]

Die Schweizer Bauern könnten ihre Bergweiden ohne die Praktikanten nicht wie bisher bewirtschaften.

It's translated as "Swiss farmers would not be able to manage their mountain pastures as they do now without the trainees." to English. Would it be better to write it as hätten nicht bewirtschaften können to not mix up *könnten *for could?

[plush pelican]

hätten...können is "could have"?

[calm kernel]

correct but i rarely see this usage of könnten

i would translate it as "swiss farmers could/might not ..."

since it's used like that widely

[long whale]

No. Totally different meaning. sie könnten X nicht bewirtschaften = they wouldn't be able to now vs. sie hätten X nicht bewirtschaften können = they wouldn't have been able to

[calm kernel]

true alright

[odd dawn]

OH! Ich wusste gar nicht, dass "Buchstabe" ein n-Deklination-Nomen ist. Also: der Buchstabe (Nominativ), des Buchstabens (Genitiv), dem Buchstaben (Dativ) und den Buchstaben (Akkusativ) im Singular.

[stoic mauve]

@fervent kernel, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[warm breach]

i cant join vc

[stoic mauve]

@warm breach, please read the Roles section in #getting-started for info on how to join VC and more.

[manic hollow]

German culture question: do Germans invoke the name of the lord as an intensifier in a sentence or as exclamation? Something like:
"Jesus Christ, it's Jason Bourne"
"Jesus! what happened to you?" (not actually referring to Jesus directly)
"Mom's gonna chew me out. Christ"

[long whale]

Yes, although to my knowledge never Christ/Christus. It's mostly Gott/Herrgott, except in the South, where Jesus (dialect: Jessas) and his cross (Kruzifix, colloquially/dialect: Zefix) tend to come up a lot. ;)

[whole portal]

"Jesses Maria" is very common in the south

oh yeah Zefix as well

[plush pelican]

Jesus' Maria?

[whole portal]

Well yeah but it's pronounced and spelled Jesses

[plush pelican]

I don't think I've ever heard a similar expression in English 🤔

[whole portal]

Also no Jesus'

Just Jesus

Jesus, Maria [and Joseph]

[plush pelican]

oh, "Jesses" = "Jesus"

not genitiv

[whole portal]

Yea

[acoustic breach]

I was asked if there is an equivalent for this English sentence

You can have it bought

In German, how would one literally translate that? Du kannst es gekauft haben? Or is it just simply "du kannst es kaufen (you can buy it)"

Du kannst es gekauft bekommen?

[plush pelican]

Du kannst es kaufen lassen, I think.

You're having it bought by someone else, yes?

https://learngerman.dw.com/de/lassen-infinitiv/l-38575937/gr-39135723

[acoustic breach]

Ne, ich kaufe selbst

[plush pelican]

My understanding of the English sentence is that someone else is buying it for you?

[acoustic breach]

Passt der englische Satz eigentlich auch nicht hier?

[acoustic breach]

I see

[plush pelican]

Do you mean, "You can have bought it"?

Or what do you intend to mean?

[acoustic breach]

No
In a conversation with my friend, He wanted to say "you can buy it" (we plan to order something online together. He finished selecting his items, so now I can proceed with the online payment)

He thought "you can have it bought" is just a fancier way of saying "you can buy it"

[plush pelican]

He's a native English speaker?

[acoustic breach]

(no xD)

[plush pelican]

I see 😄

[acoustic breach]

So to your knowledge, "you can have it bought" = kaufen lassen= someone buys for you?

[plush pelican]

I think so, although to be honest it is a rarer sentence structure, so it's possible there's other meanings of the sentence that just aren't coming to mind

[acoustic breach]

I see, ok!

Thank you Argus!

[hushed dawn]

Ich habe eine Grammatik Frage in Bezug auf das Satz "Ich bin der festen Überzeugung".

heißt das "der festen" Genetiv oder Dativ, und wie wird das Satz auf Englisch wörtlich übersetzt ?

[long whale]

https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-englisch/Überzeugung Click on "show more" to find the translation. The 2nd option is quite literal. And "der festen Überzeugung sein" is Genitiv. ;)

@hushed dawn

[wise pendant]

It's kinda like "I'm of the strong belief"
-> "I strongly believe, that ..."

[charred harbor]

der Satz

Well “in Bezug auf” takes accusative obviously but masculine I mean

[olive sluice]

Hallo zusammen, kann ich kurz fragen, Was bedeutet „eh klar“? Ist es „eher klar“?

[earnest night]

Do damit always demands nebensatz?, i sometimes see it without the nebensatz

Like
Damit (verb) (subject)

[long whale]

No, it just reenforces "sure", like "there's no question about it".

[plush pelican]

https://wisc.pb.unizin.org/readinggerman/chapter/da-compounds/

[olive sluice]

Danke sehr! Susana～sehr lieb von Dir :))

[earnest night]

Er hat einen Bleistift. Er schreibt damit.

When you shuffle the word order it becames

Er hat einen Bleistift. Damit schreibt er...

[plush pelican]

exactly

[earnest night]

Yeah, it confuses me like, the damit in this sentence and the damit + nebensatz mean similar thing

[plush pelican]

the "damit" where it's a Nebensatz is when "damit" is like an "um zu" clause--there, "damit" isn't pointing to a specific thing (he writes with it), but rather is saying "in that way, such and such goal can be accomplished."

Ich habe mir einen Wecker gekauft, um nicht so oft zu verschlafen.
oder:
Ich habe mir einen Wecker gekauft, damit ich nicht so oft verschlafe.

I bought myself an alarm so that (in order that) I don't oversleep so often.

I bought myself an alarm, so that my goal of not oversleeping so often will be achieved.

[earnest night]

Ich habe mir einen Wecker gekauft, damit verschlafe ich nicht so oft

When you do that, does the meaning changes?

[plush pelican]

So that sentence is saying a statement that is already true

I bought an alarm, and with that alarm, I'm not oversleeping so often

The other sentence is a goal. I bought in alarm with the goal that I don't oversleep so often

[earnest night]

I kinda get it now

[plush pelican]

Ich habe mir einen Wecker gekauft, um nicht so oft zu verschlafen.

...leider bin ich gescheitert; ich verschlafe immer noch.

unfortunately, I failed; I'm still oversleeping

[earnest night]

So damit (verb) (obj) reffering straight up to the object, and damit + nebensatz

[plush pelican]

so you can have a goal of not oversleeping but still fail at that goal

[earnest night]

Idk about the damit nebensatz

[plush pelican]

damit nebensatz = um zu Infinitivsatz

[earnest night]

But i think i can differentiate those two

[plush pelican]

I do X, (with the goal of) Y

the difference is, when you use a damit Nebensatz, you can change the subject, unlike the um zu Infinitivsatz

Ich habe einen Wecker gekauft, damit meine Schwester nicht so oft verschläft.

I bought an alarm so that (with the goal that) my sister doesn't oversleep so often.

https://youtu.be/ATnUjMoNXhE?t=461

They have a great example

[earnest night]

I think i see the difference!

[plush pelican]

Good, because I have to go now 😅

[earnest night]

Sorry man, i am basically holding you up

But thanks!!

[hot nexus]

How would you translate this sentence : Die Wikinger sind hart am Winde dran

[long whale]

What does deepl say? ;)

[fervent kernel]

why is it ''er habe''?

[maiden vector]

Konjunktiv I! Eyyyy I was just learning about it last week

Basically in written language, when you refer to something that someone said, or an opinion that they have

[fervent kernel]

oh, i was 100% it was bad translation, never seen it before

[fervent kernel]

i see, i'll check it out, thank you

[ripe dust]

Ein kleines Beispiel:
" Es ist schwierig, Dostojewskis Kunstwerke zu verstehen. "

Kann, oder genauer gesagt darf, ich aber sagen:

" Dostojewskis Kunstwerke zu verstehen, ist es schwierig. "?

🤔

[clever sleet]

Hello i want to convey this messenge in deutsch ( media ) i wonder if its right or wrong

• in contemporary erra human surrounded by screens
  In der zeitgenösische Epoche ist man vom ( oder ? ) Bildschrim umgeben

[manic hollow]

Maybe the verb should be at the end?

[fervent kernel]

How to find new groups on discord

[ripe dust]

Do you mean the verb " sein "?

[manic hollow]

Ye

[ripe dust]

Why?

[barren portal]

ohne "es"

[hushed dawn]

"Du hast den Shirt falsch rum an".
Ist rum hier eine Abkurzung für herum ?

[long whale]

No. The thing is: in the 1st version, there is no subject for "ist schwierig" -> dummy subject "es" appears. In the 2nd version, the whole 1st bit works as Pos 1 -> "es" gets removed.

[long whale]

Yes. Please check gender of Shirt (regardless of whether or not this sentence was said/written by a native German speaker, it is not der Shirt).

[hushed dawn]

Gibt es einen Unterschied zwischen "erklären" und "darlegen" ?

[long whale]

Other than "darlegen" being a pretty formal verb and being used about 100 times less often? No. ;)

[hushed dawn]

"Ich möchte darlegen, welche Bedeutung das Thema in meinem Heimatland genießt"
Ich habe die Redemittel Online gefunden. Aber ich finde es komisch, das Wort "genießt" im Kontext zu benutzen. Was könnte es sein?

[gusty silo]

genießen heißt hier quasi erfahren

oder hier auch innehaben

[whole portal]

I think to enjoy is used similarly in english

[gusty silo]

oh yes true

[floral juniper]

Hello

Someone please translate

Tj ich muss dir sagen es ist wirklich nett was du sagst aber ich habe schon eine kennlernphase das wollte ich nie sagen weil es ja nicht wichtig war

I’m learning German asf atm met this germany girl

[delicate tiger]

"Tja, ich muss dir sagen, es ist wirklich nett was du sagst, aber ich habe schon eine Kennlernphase. Das wollte ich nie sagen, weil es ja nicht wichtig war." Does breaking it down help?

[next folio]

Bro

Sie hat dich gekorbt xD

[plush pelican]

A non-native speaker probably won't understand the verb of being "basketed"

To translate: einen Korb bekommen = to get dumped by someone. I think the idea is that the person breaking up gives you a gift basket, as a "Korb" is literally a basket.

and then jdn. korben would be a sort of slang verb form of that, I guess?

[next folio]

That's correct

[acoustic breach]

Was ist eine "Kennlernphase"?

[plush pelican]

I assume that means they're already seeing someone, but they aren't officially boyfriend/girlfriend yet, but rather in the phase before that, the "getting to know you phase".

But then in German culture, they like to be monogamous even when just dating, so even if she is merely going on dates with someone, she wouldn't want to go on dates with someone else (OP).

But that's just a guess 😅

oh wow, found a website to explain it: https://chrisbloom.de/blog/kennenlernphase/

Bevor von einer Beziehung die Rede sein, machst du dich mit deinem Gegenüber vertraut. Diese Übergangsphase zwischen dem ersten Treffen und einer möglichen Partnerschaft bezeichnet man als Kennenlernphase.

[acoustic breach]

Oh danke!!

Ich soll meine Zeit hier in diesem Kanal mehr verbringen

Ich lerne echt viel xD

[plush pelican]

Sogar Dating-Hinweise 😄

[hushed dawn]

Guten Tag alle
Ich habe eine Frage. Sollten nicht "habe" nach dem Relativsatz stehen ?
"Ich habe meine Arbeit gekündigt, weil ich eine neue Arbeit habe, die besser ist"

[undone verge]

no

the sentences in question:
Ich habe meine Arbeit gekündigt
Ich habe eine neue Arbeit
Die Arbeit ist besser

the first one maintains Hauptsatz order, the other two become nebesätze with verb at the end

[hushed dawn]

Verstanden, danke 🙂

[hushed dawn]

Ich kann nicht von der Arbeit abschalten, wenn ich zu Hause bin.

Ich kann von der Arbeit nicht zu Hause abschalten.

Welches klingt richtiger ?

[long whale]

1st.

It took me a moment to even figure out what 2 meant, and now it seems to me it's basically saying instead of home, you need to go somewhere else to stop thinking about work, maybe to the gym, or to a bar, or sth.

[hushed dawn]

kann "seitdem" immer "seit" ersitzen ? aber nicht die gegenteil ?

[long whale]

*das Gegenteil - How do you figure one can ever replace the other? 🤔

[hushed dawn]

I'm not sure of it , but I thought of it as, seitdem could mean either "since or since back then" depending on the positioning of the word.

[long whale]

No, seitdem means "since this thing/event mentioned before". ;)

Seit 2022 studiere ich Mathemathik. vs. 2022 habe ich Abitur gemacht. Seitdem studiere ich Mathematik.

[wise pendant]

Originally was the distinction
seit - since
seitdem - since then

But sometimes seitdem is actually used in place of seit.
"Seitdem wir uns kennen" for example. But not the other way around.

[hushed dawn]

So is this sentence wrong ? I have just read it on the internet
" Ich vermisse meine Familie, seitdem ich in der Schweiz lebe"

[long whale]

Ah! Yup, you actually found one where both would work. - Well, Andre's given you the answer already. ;)

[hushed dawn]

Thank you very much Susana and Andre 🙂

[hushed dawn]

"Jemand bleibt unter sich"
Das beudetet, dass man selbstständig ist, und mit niemandem sprechen/überlegen, oder sowas ?

[delicate tiger]

"unter sich bleiben" bezieht sich auf eine Gruppe von Menschen, die hauptsächlich miteinander Zeit verbringen

[plush pelican]

"seitdem" is a subordinating conjunction.
"seit" can either be used as a subordinating conjunction (in which case you could replace it with "seitdem"), OR "seit" can be a preposition.
When "seit" is a preposition, you can't replace it with "seitdem".

Seit sechs Monaten lerne ich Deutsch.
Seit(dem) ich mein Haus verkauft habe, bin ich obdachlos.

An easy way to note this difference is: when "seit" is used as a preposition, it has an (object of the preposition) immediately after it, which needs to be declined to dative.
When "seit" is used as a conjunction (interchangeable with "seitdem"), there is no (object of the preposition) and nothing gets declined because of "seit".

[hushed dawn]

Ich schätze es Argus ❤️ ( heißt das korrekt ? )

Was bedeutet, eine spießige Person ?

[gusty silo]

»Ich weiß es zu schätzen«, oder so, wenn du schätzen verwenden willst

[plush pelican]

"Ich weiß dich zu schätzen" ?

[gusty silo]

🤔 eher nicht

[plush pelican]

Ich schätze dich?

[plush pelican]

spießig = bougie, but in a conservative, traditional manner

[gusty silo]

spießig ist sehr auf Regeln bedacht, langweilig normal, kleinbürgerlich

[plush pelican]

People who think they're better than you because they're more "normal"

spießig = the Dursleys in Harry Potter

[gusty silo]

hm jein, wird eigentlich auf Taten statt auf Leute bezogen

[plush pelican]

Du bist mein Schatz, aber ich kann dich nicht schätzen?

[gusty silo]

Du bist mein Schatz
ruhig Brauner, wir waren noch nicht auf nem Date

ich denke, du kannst schon »ich schätze dich sehr« sagen (wobei ich mir nicht so hundertprozentig sicher bin), aber ist halt iwie nicht so der Kontext hier

[plush pelican]

Meinst du, es wird nur im romantischen Sinne benutzt?

[gusty silo]

vermutlich nicht nur aber es ist ungewöhnlich offen

irgendwas von wegen Deutsche sind kategorisch verklemmt oder so, oder vielleicht nur ich

[hushed dawn]

Verstanden 🙂

[inland yoke]

Hallo, ich bin neu hier. Ich habe im März meinen B2 gemacht und möchte im September/Oktober meinem C1 versuchen. Weil ich nicht in Deutschland wohne (sondern in Belgien) hätte ich gerne Leute gefunden um miteinander zu sprechen (zur Übung). Kennen sie so etwas ?

[fervent kernel]

ich bin neu auch !!

ich heisse Elana und Ich bin fransozisch ich lerner deutsch seit 3 ( bald 4 ) Jarhre in meine schule und ich bin B1

lerne

[waxen current]

Hallo, könnte mir jemand den Unterschied zwischen "sich auf etwas entscheiden" und "sich für etwas entscheiden" erklären? Wenn möglich, geb bitte dementsprechende Beispiele.

[long whale]

sich auf etwas entscheiden doesn't exist. Not unless you're explaining where somebody has made a decision, e.g. "on Twitter/auf Twitter".

[waxen current]

Wirklich!?

Ich denke, dass ich das mehrmals gehört habe

[long whale]

Definitely not. 🤷

[waxen current]

Komisch 🤔

Vielen Dank für die Hilfe

Ich wurde offenbar belogen xD

[quartz totem]

I watched lessons on the basics of declensions and noun cases. can someone tell me if I understood them correctly?

the takeaway:
English sentences are bound to a fixed noun case slot order which is nominative, then dative, and then accusative at the end.
However, there is no fixed noun case slot order in German; you can place any slot anywhere and the sentence will essentially have the same meaning as long as the declensions are accorded to the correct noun case (nom, acc, dat).
To further explain, different slot orders are used to emphasize specific points. The emphasis will be on whichever noun case slot is mentioned first.

[plain umbra]

Yes, the idea about word order you've described is true. English also uses prepositions for some of the things that cases are used for in German.

But I will just add as a warning, English really only has 2 cases, subject and object. And when you think of concepts like direct and indirect objects, the German cases are a bit more complicated than that in terms of what they're used for.

[quartz totem]

thank you

[thorn zodiac]

Im currently learning konjunctiv 1 and I was watching a video and the Lehrerin said something about if the form is the same as in K1 and K2 then you use K2 but I dont understand in one example how it went from haben to hätten since thats not the same?

"Sie sagten, sie haben viel zu tun" should be hätten and now put into K2 but why is this? Are the forms not different?

Could someone explain as im misunderstanding some aspect here. (Video for reference is Konjunktiv 1 (Indirekte Rede) von DeutschLera)

Danke im Voraus 😎

[vast violet]

Sie haben viel zu tun.
Den Satz muss man zitieren.
Am Anfang des Videos (04:23) wurde erklärt dass die Kon 1 Form von ,,haben" gleich bleibt für dritte Person plural. Also sollte man in diesem Fall Kon 2 benutzen.

[ripe dust]

"Grammarly", "DeepL Write", "Microsoft-Editor", Advices from "Bing" AI of MS Edge ( Let's ignore ChatGPT, OK? I understand that you have to be careful with him. Even though it's good. ) - What's best tool for the correcting of grammatical mistakes all of this?

( I think it could even be published in the forum. )

[thorn zodiac]

Achso, ich verstehe, wie ich Unrecht hatte

[timid lance]

das @long whale ist eine bot? oder nein?

[hushed dawn]

"Weißt du, ob das Taxi noch da ist ? "
Eine Frage bitte. Ich habe früher gelernt, dass "ob" nur benutzt wird, wenn ein Situation entweder im Zweifel oder zwei möglichkeiten gibt. Also warum hier steht nicht "wenn" statt ?

[long whale]

ob is used for yes/no questions, just like whether. Does that answer your question? ;)

[hushed dawn]

Ja, natürlich. Ich wird das notieren.

[plush pelican]

"hätten" is Konj. II, not Konj. I.

https://conjugator.reverso.net/conjugation-german-verb-haben.html

Check out the normal present tense and Konj. I present tense.

They look the exact same for they (sie), "sie haben" (normal present tense) and "sie haben" (Konj. I present tense). That means if you were to use Konj. I with "they have", no one would be able to tell that you were using it, because it's indistinguishable from using the normal present tense.

In such cases (which happens often with Konj. I), you have to make sure the word is distinguishable from the normal present tense, and so in order to do that, you substitute in Konj. II. So "sie hätten"

[acoustic breach]

Gilt das auch für "ich", wo man die K1 durch die K2 ersetzt?

[plush pelican]

I believe so?

I think usually it's only er/sie/es and sometimes du that are regularly distinguishable

so for the rest, you usually end up replacing it with K2

[acoustic breach]

I see

[plush pelican]

hold on, I have a page on this somewhere

[acoustic breach]

I've heard about using K2 instead of k1 for ich and sie but never really learned, that's why i asked

[plush pelican]

"Only in 3rd person is Konj. I always possible"

[acoustic breach]

Except modalverbs and "sein"

Interesting

[plush pelican]

what?

no, er/sie/es

[acoustic breach]

Oh but the 2 tables below

[plush pelican]

only the er/sie/es Konj. I form is always guaranteed to be distinguished from Indikativ

all other forms may need to be distinguished using the K2 replacement

depending on the verb

[acoustic breach]

Oh i mean except "ich" uses K1 for modalverbs and some other pronouns for "sein", otherwise it's just the 3rd person singular using K1

Which is the summary of what ive learnt from your picture

[plush pelican]

I...did not understand that sentence you just wrote

[acoustic breach]

Oh 😅

[plush pelican]

what is "except" modifying?

except "ich"?

except for "ich", what uses k1 for modalverbs?

[acoustic breach]

What ive understand from the picture:

Only 3rd person singular uses K1

Exception :
Modalverbs allow K1 for ich, ersiees
"Sein" allows K1 for ich, ersiees, wir, sie

[plush pelican]

only 3rd person singular will always have K1 possible

But it's possible that other verbs will have some other things still distinguishable

[fervent kernel]

ist diese Satz Richtig von Grammatik? "was geht dich das an"

[acoustic breach]

Yes

I got that part

[plush pelican]

that's not what you wrote bro xD

you wrote that k1 is only used for 3rd person singular, except for these specific exceptions

for example, there might be a verb where the du form is distinguishable with K1

according to what you wrote, if that verb isn't a modal verb or sein, that wouldn't happen, because it's not listed in your exceptions

[acoustic breach]

Oh im referring to the usage

[plush pelican]

We're missing context here. Is there a previous sentence? On its own, it doesn't sound right?

Is it supposed to be a question?

[acoustic breach]

There is difference for "du" but it's not used anymore, right?

[fervent kernel]

I made a question and I got that as a response