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[undone verge]

https://www.wortbedeutung.info/zur_See_fahren/

[urban oxide]

is saying "auf die See fahren" also correct?

[undone verge]

Die Haltestelle liegt an der Ecke : (on the corner)
Die Haltestelle liegt um die Ecke : (it's just around the corner)

[urban oxide]

I see

so "in der Ecke" must be a mistake

[undone verge]

I've not heard it...like with a car you can drive to the ocean, but 'zur See fahren' is a phrase, 'to set sail'

[urban oxide]

I see

thanks for your help!

[undone verge]

sorry for the confusion. gotta start the day off with some stupid advice 😎

[versed wasp]

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

ich schreibe Ihnen diese E-Mail, um Ihnen Beschied zu sagen, dass ich Ihr Apartment nicht mehr vermieten möchte und den Mietvertrag im nächsten Monat kündigen werde. Die Gründe dafür sind, dass ich mein Abitur letzte Woche absolviert habe und mir eine gute Arbeit in einer anderen Stadt suchen möchte. Außerdem ist Ihre Wohnung im Winter arschkalt und fehlt Heizgerät. Sie haben mir gesagt, dass Sie sich darum kümmern werden, aber es hat sich nichts geändert. Eigentlich würde ich lieber in meiner eigenen Wohnung in Stuttgart leben, damit meine Kinder jederzeit spielen können, ohne dass die Nachbarn wütend werden oder mich und meine Frau anbrüllen.

Bitte bestätigen Sie meine Kündigung schriftlich so schnell wie möglich.

Mit freundlichen Grüßen.

@long whale ist das gut?!

[flint nimbus]

als klein über Menchen mann sagt, kann es short bedeuten?

[whole portal]

Ja aber deine Frage ist fast unlesbar

[flint nimbus]

well, i'm going to try and ask as many questions as i can in german, so feel free to correct the questions! I'm sure soon they'll start making more sense.
Ich versuche die Fragen auf Deutsch fragen.

[opal narwhal]

Dann korrigiere ich gern: "Ich versuche, die Fragen auf Deutsch zu stellen."

[flint nimbus]

Oh! Kannt mann nicht sagen ...die Fragen fragen?

[opal narwhal]

"Kann man..." Nein, es ist kein gutes Deutsch...

[flint nimbus]

Ich verstehe! Danke schön

[opal narwhal]

Bitte schön

[flint nimbus]

i'm trying to work out zu stellen. It's different from zustellen, right?

because the english translations i find for zustellen say it's to deliver by mail

[opal narwhal]

Yes, it's not "zustellen", it's "stellen" (to put)

[flint nimbus]

what's the function of zu then, i thought it was connected to stellen in some way at least

[opal narwhal]

The word "zu" in the sentence "Ich versuche, die Fragen auf Deutsch zu stellen" (I'm trying to ask the questions in German) corresponds to the "to" in the English sentence, if it can help you.

[flint nimbus]

does it? i feel like it's quite frequently the case that the "to" from infinitive forms is omitted in german, or even that it's typically not there, rather

[opal narwhal]

In an infinitive clause, like we have in this sentence, it has to be there

[flint nimbus]

i see, yeah, it's often omitted in swedish and english as well now that i think about it

[opal narwhal]

I am trying to so something = Ich versuche, etwas zu machen

[flint nimbus]

thank you, that's very interesting!

[unique lotus]

[opal narwhal]

You are welcome. In German, you cannot put it after modal verbs, however.

I must do something = Ich muss etwas machen

I can do something = Ich kann etwas machen

I am allowed to do something = Ich darf etwas machen

[flint nimbus]

right, got it 😛

[green parrot]

ich habe viele fragen zu stellen, wagum ist fragen wie stellen, und wann kann man benutzt stellen anstellt von fragen .... stattdessen oder anstellen, welche richtig

my question looks so weird 💀

[whole portal]

Wenn man "klein" im Bezug auf Menschen sagt, kann das "short" bedeuten?

[proven sphinx]

"eine Frage stellen" simply means "to pose a question". It's only really used like that. Otherwise, "to ask" is simply "fragen".

[green parrot]

oh. can it be used in other instances ? like to pose an answer.

ich möchte ein antwort zu stellen

[proven sphinx]

"stellen" is used quite a lot. It really just means "to put/set".

[proven sphinx]

Hmm, not usually.

[green parrot]

oh. amma just have to get used to it. xD.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, "to answer" is usually just "antworten".

"Kann ich eine Frage stellen?" means the same thing as "Kann ich etwas fragen?" It's just maybe a bit more formal, I suppose.

[green parrot]

oh. also. is "ich habe eine bitte" correct

[proven sphinx]

Do you mean like: "I'm asking for a favor"?

[green parrot]

yea

i have a request

as google translate says

[proven sphinx]

Well, I guess it works, though "Kann ich dich/Sie um einen Gefallen bitten?" would be more idiomatic.

But yes, "Ich habe eine Bitte" is definitely correct.

[green parrot]

oh. so complicated xD

i always try to translate german to english word by word. i need to stop it 😅

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, that's never a good idea, I'm afraid. 😅

@green parrot Like all languages, German has a lot of idiomatic expressions that don't literally mean what you'd think they mean.

[green parrot]

i see. just have to memorize them the old school waym

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, just like an English learner wouldn't immediately know what phrasal verbs like "put off" or "give in" mean without learning them. The meaning isn't literal in most cases.

German separable verbs like "abmachen" or "einladen" work much the same way in that they rarely literally mean what you'd expect.

[junior flame]

Wha would a native german speaker understand by the term "Gesprächpartner"? I want to say: "I converse differently with my friends and my family as compared to my my boss at offices". So if in short I say: "Ich spreche je nach Gesprächpartner unterschlich." Does this sentence carry the similar meaning as the one above in English? Does natives use the term "Gesprächpartner" to refer to anyone with them they are having a conversation (friend, family or office boss) or does it have some other connotation?

[delicate tiger]

"Ich spreche je nach dem Gesprächspartner unterschiedlich."

[junior flame]

Sorry it wrote it by mistake. I have corrected that part. So now what about the uses of this term "Gesprächpartner"?

[quartz crescent]

hallo wie kann ich chatrooms beitreten

[weary oak]

yeah you can use Gesprächspartner both sentences have a similar meaning and yeah Gesprächpartner is any person that has a conversation with you

[delicate tiger]

you didn't fix the bolded parts...

[flint nimbus]

Im Winter kann ich dann ski fahrer.
why dann? Doesn't the sentence work just as well without it? is anything new added with it?

[nova sparrow]

yes: there is missing a sentence like:
Im Sommer schwimme ich gerne im See.
Im Winter kann ich dann Ski fahren. -> instead of swimming in the lake

[flint nimbus]

ohh ok

[nova sparrow]

without the dann would be no reference to the previous sentence

[flint nimbus]

so in this context, it serves a similar purpose to something like "rather"

[nova sparrow]

I may be wrong, but I would translate rather as lieber

[flint nimbus]

in the summer i swim in the sea, but in the winter, i rather (or instead) go skiing

[nova sparrow]

the instead does the trick for me and you could replace the dann with stattdessen but it is seldom used

[flint nimbus]

it's weird this sense of the word doesn't show up on wiktionary

it only gives the "then" usage, like in "Ich ziehe mich erst an, dann früstücke ich"

[nova sparrow]

yapp, I checked here https://www.dwds.de/wb/dann even there it's not listed in the above sense

[proven sphinx]

Isn’t this basically “then”, though?

[nova sparrow]

dwds tells you about 4 different meanings but you could most of them translate with then 👍

[flint nimbus]

this usage is different enough that i'd still want a separate entrance title for it

[next wren]

Ist dieser Satz richtig?
Eltern könnten ihren Kindern die Vorteile jeder Fremdsprache erläutern, um ihre Kinder entscheiden lassen zu können, welche Fremdsprache zu lernen.

(Parents could explain the advantages of every foreign languages to their children, so that they can let their children to decide which foreign language to learn.)

[opal narwhal]

Ja, aber für den letzten Nebensatz würde ich eher "..., welche Fremdsprache sie lernen möchten." schreiben.

Und auch den ersten Nebensatz würde ich einfacher schreiben: "damit ihre Kinder (selbst) entscheiden können" (aber es ist nur meine Meinung).

[next wren]

Ja, es klingt besser, In einem zu+infinitiv Satz müssen der Hauptsatz und Nebensatz die gleiche Subjekte sein, deshalb bin ich nicht so sicher, ob er richtig ist.

[next wren]

Ich möchte versuchen, schwierige lange Sätze zu schreiben😆

[reef moss]

In diesem Fall würde man nicht eher etwas anderes schreiben, es muss anders geschrieben werden, denn es ist falsch

[opal narwhal]

Haha, ich verstehe! Aber oft ist es besser, wenn man einfachere Sätze bildet.

[reef moss]

Meine Empfehlung ist immer mehr zu lesen. Du wirst mehr Formulierungen begegnen und dadurch den Wortschatz bereichern. Aber einige Text sind mit Vorsicht zu genießen: Nathan der Weise ist zum Beispiel zwar ein guter Text, aber kein gutes Mittel, um modernes Deutsch sprechen und schreiben zu können

[next wren]

Das stimmt, im Moment lese ich die Zeitschrift deutsch perfekt. Ich finde sie gut aber ziemlich teuer. Danke für deine Empfehlung und eure Hilfe

[nova sparrow]

Wenn Du Lust hast, ein richtiges Buch zu lesen: Ich hatte neulich wieder "Dietrich Schwanitz, Bildung - Alles was man wissen muss" in der Hand da lernst Du nebenher noch ne ganze Menge. Er schreibt aktuelles Deutsch und als eBook kostet der Schmöker gerade mal knapp 10€

[next wren]

Es sieht so dick aus 😅 Aber es kann für mein Niveau nützlich sein. Ich werde mal Thalia besuchen.

[nova sparrow]

Keine Angst, das Buch beißt nicht 😉

[nova sparrow]

Und er schreibt auch selbst durchaus längere Sätze 👍

[next wren]

Es braucht Zeit, das ganze Buch zu lesen und ich habe in 3 Monaten eine Prüfung aber ich werde daran denken, vielen Dank für deine Empfehlung!

[nova sparrow]

Okay, das wäre ein zeitlich zu anspruchsvolles Projekt 👍

[junior flame]

"Bereits drei Jahre später existierten sie überall."
Bereits means already but already doesn't make any sense here. So what would be the correct translation of this sentence?

[nova sparrow]

Only 3 years later, they were everywhere^^

Bereits means here in the short time of 3 years

[charred harbor]

Your German is incredibly good for level B xD

[trim siren]

Hi, I've noticed that in the present perfect tense sometimes the first part is sein and sometimes it's haben. When is each used?

[viral jolt]

it depends on the verb.
fahren -> ich bin gefahren.
essen -> ich habe gegessen.
you'll have to remember their form along with the verb.

[hard pike]

usually verbs that indicate motion or change of state use 'sein' and the rest use 'haben'

[hard pike]

fahren, gehen, fliegen, rennen, sterben, einschlafen usw. all use 'sein'

but verbs like trinken, schreiben, lesen, essen use 'haben'

[timid vector]

faq Perfekt

[stoic mauve]

Perfekt

How to form the Perfekt tense

The Perfekt tense is formed by combining an auxiliary verb (haben or sein) with the past participle form of the main verb.

For example, if I want to write the past tense of “essen”/“to eat”, such as in the English sentence “I ate”, I first need to know the auxiliary verb that goes with essen (which happens to be haben), and the past participle form of essen (which is gegessen).

I can then combine them with the usual verb conjugation and word order rules, as such:
Ich habe gegessen. -> I ate. / I have eaten.
Ich habe das Brot gegessen. -> I ate the bread. / I have eaten the bread.

How to determine the past participle?

Just look it up in the dictionary! There are a few general patterns you can also learn about, but a dictionary will pretty much always list the past participle somewhere near the verb itself.

When to use haben and when to use sein as the auxiliary verb?

The basic rules are:
• Transitive verbs (verbs which take an accusative object) use haben
• Intransitive verbs which describe a change of location or change of state use sein
• Other intransitive verbs use haben

This may not be a 100% reliable set of rules, so if in doubt, you can always use a dictionary to verify the correct auxiliary. Also note that there are a few regional variations.

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[timid vector]

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[flint nimbus]

Du kannst Fahrrad faren, oder schwimmen im See.
I would've expected ... im See schwimmen. Why not?

[viral jolt]

both are correct. you don't always need to put the second verb at the extreme end wenn using a modalverb

[flint nimbus]

right, prepositions seem to often be able to come after. In this case i felt like the swimming was far more important than that it was in a sea. I suppose in the context the sea is emphasized because it's a description of how great a place is, that there are seas to swim in

[flint nimbus]

what's the difference between sonst and anderer?

[whole portal]

Wo sollen sie denn das Gleiche bedeuten?

[trim siren]

Danke to everyone

[edgy thicket]

Diesen Ort in Thailand musst du gesehen haben.

I saw this from a youtube video title. In English it would be "You have to see this place in Thailand." I don't know why past form is used here. Is this common?

[proven sphinx]

It's because it implies that before you go back home, you need to have seen that place.

"You need to have seen this place in Thailand (before going home)"

[edgy thicket]

I see thank you.

[ruby lagoon]

Hello, I am very new to learning German. I have only started recently, and I would like to know some advice for getting started. I want to know what kinds of things I should note down and how I would use my notes.

[flint nimbus]

easy way: google dw Harry and do that course and note down what it tells you to note down but focus on getting as much practice with the language as possible. The goal is never to know things like one knows information about physics related to golf ball flight, but rather to know things like one knows how to make a golf swing. Their Nicos Weg course is also good, but imo i'd get started on the Harry course first because the learning curve is less steep. Also note other things that interest you if it doesn't seem to complicated.

Personally i don't really have notes for german, i mostly only have flash cards that i practice with spaced repetion, almost exclusively sentences that i got from various places that i know to be trusted to contain good german

i have also spent a lot of time doing my own research and noting down way too complicated sentences, but i think a lot of that extra work was much less efficient than just following a course or two

[ruby lagoon]

I see, thanks for the advice

[fervent kernel]

Welcher Satz/Sätze ist/sind richtig?

1. Ich war für 3 Monate in Deutschland
2. Ich war 3 Monate lang in Deutschland
3. Ich bin für 3 Monate nach England geflugen
4. Ich bin 3 Monate lang nach England geflugen

[whole portal]

2

[fervent kernel]

Nur 2?

[whole portal]

4. Wäre wohl okay wenn du geflogen richtig schreiben würdest, allerdings klingt es so, als würdest du 4 Monate lang fliegen.

1 und 3 sind akzeptabel

[fervent kernel]

Ich wollte sagen: I have been to England for 3 months

[whole portal]

Na dann musst du sowieso die Vergangenheit verwenden.

Ich war 3 Monate lang in England.

[fervent kernel]

Danke

Darf ich noch eine Frage stellen?

[whole portal]

"Für" kann man bei Zeiträumen verwenden aber es klingt nicht immer so gut.

[fervent kernel]

Wie kann man diesen Satz übersetzen? It's been 3 months

[whole portal]

Kommt wohl auf den Kontext an

Es sind 3 Monate gewesen.

[fervent kernel]

Eigentlich wenn ich jetzt daran denke, passt "seit" besser

Es ist seit 3 Monate

[whole portal]

n

[fervent kernel]

Ich möchte auch eine Frage über Präpositionen fragen. Welche Präpositionen und welche Fälle (Akk. Dativ) kann man hier benutzen?

"Ich gehe in/zu den/dem Supermarkt"
"Ich gehe in/zu/bei den/dem Arzt"

[whole portal]

zum/in den
zum

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[river tiger]

Hi I have a question. When I want to say "Is this movie about universe?" how can I say it in German? I checked it in translator but I don't know if it's correct.

[timid vector]

Geht es in dem Film um das Universum?
Handelt der Film vom Universum?

[river tiger]

okay danke!

[flint nimbus]

Passagiere werden umgehend zum Gate 16 gebeten!
what is going on here grammar-wise? Especially with werden

[whole portal]

are being

[opal narwhal]

It's the passive form (werden + past participle). You can translate it as Yoshi did.

[flint nimbus]

i see, seems complicated. I think i'll wait for a dedicated lesson to it!

sometimes these lessons add sentences that don't seem especially important and are way beyond what they have taught previously, with multiple new words and new grammar that isn't explained... well, i guess it can serve as inspiration lol

[opal narwhal]

Actually, it isn't very complicated. For the present, you just have to conjugate werden in the present and add the past participle of the verb. If you want to use another tense (e.g. Präteritum), then you will conjugate werden in this tense (e.g. wurde is the Präteritum of werden)

[flint nimbus]

ok so let's say i'd say...
Werden gerannt im Park
that would mean
there is running in the park?

[opal narwhal]

You must have a subject in the sentence

[flint nimbus]

ok, i think this much is enough to avoid getting too much into it! Thanks, i'll know what to look for better now

[opal narwhal]

OK, no problem. I see you have level A (in your profile), so you don't need to study the passive forms now, for sure

[flint nimbus]

i need to keep pushing the lectures as much as i can 😄 i love doing these deep dives into grammar, but the cost is not getting far enough in the lectures. And this seems like it could become a bigger thing. It's interesting though, so i might find an article about it!

is werden also used to describe the future, or am i misremembering that?

[opal narwhal]

Yes, it is! For the future, you have to use werden with the infinitive (just like will + infinitive in English)

ich werde machen = I will do/make

[flint nimbus]

how would you translate things like "there is doing" or "there are thoughts"?

in english the passive form is quite often used to avoid having a subject, i'm assuming if german must have a subject, then that means it will use a grammatical place holder

[opal narwhal]

I'm less good in English than in German, so I can't translate your sentences well, but I think what you mean is an impersonal construction, then it would be es wird + past participle

[flint nimbus]

makes sense! Es is used as grammatical placeholder in other places as well. Like "Es regnet"

[opal narwhal]

Yes

[flint nimbus]

so what if i said

Es wird gerannt im Park?

[opal narwhal]

Yes, but the past participle must be at the end of the sentence

So: Es wird im Park gerannt.

[flint nimbus]

and then that means something like there is running in the park?

[opal narwhal]

Yes, it means that people (we don't know who) are running in the park

[flint nimbus]

awesome! This is so cool! Thank you 🙏

[opal narwhal]

You're welcome!

[flint nimbus]

btw just one thing, you said the past participle must be at the end. That isn't a general rule, right? Since sometimes a preposition seem to be able to come afterwards i think?

maybe just not in this case like this

[opal narwhal]

That's a general rule, except if it's not in a main clause

[flint nimbus]

we recently looked at this sentence here for example

Du kannst Fahrrad faren, oder schwimmen im See.
that's why i asked

it's not past participle, but it's still the last verb still getting a preposition behind it

[opal narwhal]

Normally, it has to be: oder im See schwimmen

The structure of a main clause is always: conjugated verb in 2nd position (except for questions or orders), unconjugated verb (infinitive, past participle, etc.) at the end

[flint nimbus]

right, ok! 🙏

[flint nimbus]

Wir werden pünktlich in London landen.
Wir werden in ca. eineinhalb Stunden landen.
Just making sure both of these sentences that i broke off from one big sentence are both good

[opal narwhal]

Why "kommen"? If you mean the future, then it's with "werden"

[wanton dirge]

Its "können" or "werden"

Or "werden"

Depends what you wanna say

[flint nimbus]

oops yes funny blind spot by me, let me fix

is it good now?

[wanton dirge]

Better

[near folio]

A subject doesn't have to necessarily be present, and it is not uncommon to leave it out in passive sentences (if the grammar allows). For example: Überall wurde laut gesungen.. I like to consider the subject to be a "hidden" es, because the conjugation is the same. Not really something you need to know now, but good to keep in mind for the future.

We have an FAQ for it, you can do this command in bot channel if you are interested: >ex impersonal verbs

[flint nimbus]

ex impersonal verbs

[stoic mauve]

Common usages of impersonal subject es

Impersonal es is commonly used:

- with verbs referring to weather

Es wird morgen sehr wahrscheinlich regnen.
Bei Temperaturen über 0°C taut es.
Jetzt blitzt es wieder.

- with verbs referring to natural phenomena

Wie viel Zeit habe ich, wenn es in meiner Wohnung brennt?
Hier zieht es ganz fürchterlich, mach bitte die Tür zu.
Es riecht nach Algen vom Meer und nach gebrannten Mandeln.

These verbs can have an agent, but are used impersonally if the agent is unclear or unknown.

- with verbs referring to noises

Es klopfte an der Tür.
Es krachte gewaltig, als das Haus einstürzte.
Es brodelte und zischte im Inneren des Kessels und dünne Dampfwolken stiegen empor.

These verbs can have an agent, but are used impersonally if the agent is unclear or unknown.

- with verbs referring to sensations and emotions

Es friert mich.
Es graut mir vor der Prüfung.
Es hält ihn hier nicht länger.

With these verbs, the impersonal es denotes an unknown or unclear force causing the sensation and an accusative object indicates who is experiencing the action.

- with sein or werden and a dative object to indicate a sensation

Ist (es) dir kalt?
Mir wird schwindlig.
ich trank einen heißen Tee und mir war sofort warm.

Unless it is in the first postion of a clause, the impersonal es is often omitted with these verbs.

- with reflexive verbs and the impersonal passive

Es wurde mir empfohlen, mit dir zu reden.
Es wurde der Toten gedacht.
Es lebt sich gut in und um Darmstadt herum.

In this usage, the impersonal es is always the first element in a clause or is hidden by other elements which take its place.

=- in various idiomatic constructions*

Einen besseren Weg gibt es nicht.
Ich hoffe, dass es dir gut geht.
Es handelt sich nicht um deinen Job.

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[flint nimbus]

cool thanks!

i've seen this omitted es with freut as well! Like in Freut mich

[west pond]

"Du findest bestimmt auch noch 'ne gute Arbeit" what does 'ne mean there?

[rocky sorrel]

You'll surely find good work (a Job) someday.

[west pond]

So it's short for "eine"?

[rocky sorrel]

Yep

[flint nimbus]

how to say to think/believe? Like in "i don't think so" "i think she might be over there"

[fervent kernel]

What's the difference between darüber and darauf

[glad oyster]

Das glaube ich nicht. Ich glaube, sie könnte dort drüben sein.

[flint nimbus]

thank you! very helpful!

so then i could say something like

Was beduetet das?
Ich glaube das beduetet ...
or?

[glad oyster]

Correct

[timid vector]

the same as the difference between über and auf

use darüber for über das and drauf for auf das

[flint nimbus]

just to remove the subjunctive since that seems like a project for the future,

Ich glaube, sie ist dort drüben.
should be good, right?

[glad oyster]

Yes

[odd dawn]

Generally speaking,

Darauf = on it, towards it
Darüber = above it, over it

Sich über etwas freuen = to be happy about something, to appreciate something

Sich auf etwas freuen = to look forward to something

[steel patrol]

I always feel like saying "prima" in response to something (especially just the word by itself) has kind of a rude/annoyed tone about it. Habe ich recht oder spinne ich?

[rugged hazel]

I don't agree

[steel patrol]

So can it also be said/perceived as being neutral or even positive/excited?

[rugged hazel]

Sure

"Toll" is similar

[steel patrol]

Prima, danke. 😄

[verbal girder]

Diese zwei Brücken sind nicht für Autos.
do numerals get declined?
in this situation where would have i known from that it doesn't?

[whole portal]

Well ... no, it's very simple language, besides that tho it's Frage and just saying soll ich Wein mitbringen sounds more natural

[tacit isle]

I don’t think normal numerals like eins, zwei, drei, ever get declined. What can be declined though is the erste, zweite, dritte form

[timid vector]

ein / one does get declined but it's the only one

[tacit isle]

Yup you’re totally right, the indefinite article does get declined. But not the eins version.

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[fervent kernel]

Got it, thanks

[west pond]

if you are a delivery guy would you ask the people who ordered food "Zahlen Sie zusammen oder getrennt?" OR "Zahlt ihr zusammen oder getrennt?"

is the formal "Sie" for singular only or could it be used with a group of people.

[timid vector]

there would be no situation where you would decline eins

any time you say one anything it is declined

I have one dog - Ich habe einen Hund

even just "I have one." Is always declined, whether it be eins (shortened from eines), einen, or eine.

[odd dawn]

Both.

"Guten Tag, Herr Müller, bitte nehmen Sie Platz."
"Guten Tag, meine Herren, bitte nehmen Sie Platz."

[west pond]

would you use "bestellen" with a reflexive pronoun? if so does it change its meaning?
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[undone verge]

it can be used reflexively, but it doesn't really change the meaning, just adds the info of 'for myself' (or for someone else). Kinda works like 'kaufen'

ich habe dir eine Pizza bestellt.

[sleek pulsar]

Is there a way to type the German quotation marks on a Samsung phone keyboard apart from copying and pasting them? I'm able to type them on pc but not phone

[whole portal]

Idk since they're never really available anywhere, they're very rarely used when writing online, even in German

I know I don't ever really use them

No one has bothered to support them so here we are

[tacit isle]

Yup ‘tis what I said

I based my answer off his question which was specifically asking about numerals.

I might be confusing the language of the question

[sleek pulsar]

Aw that sucks, well, thanks for answering me!

[whole portal]

I mean how often do you see people use the correct english ones

But I did try once

You can basically set a text substitute

And just paste them in there

Maybe someone has made a custom keyboard idk there's probably a way

[sleek pulsar]

Ah ok I see

[woven wind]

Which meaning does "jdn auf etw ansprechen" convey? Does it mean to start talking to sb about nice and beautiful things?

Aber es hat sich gezeigt, dass diese Gebühren weder den Studenten noch den Universitäten nützen.** Denn es hat sich nicht wirklich etwas verbessert.** -->
Is it "SichDat. etw verbessern" ??

[flint nimbus]

so i know it's ... das zweite Auto. Does that mean it's also ... zum zweiten Auto? That is, is erste, zweite, etc conjugated like any adjective would be?

[whole portal]

das zweite Auto

zum zweiten Auto is correct tho

[flint nimbus]

right thanks, corrected

i think i changed my mind on exactly what i wanted to write

turns out i do that with english too 😅

[timid vector]

no he wasnt

he specifically asked "zwei Bücher", the equivalent for one would be EIN Buch, not "eins Buch"

[nova sparrow]

I use Microsoft swift key keyboard on my android phone, this should also work with samsung 🤔

[sleek pulsar]

ah ok ill look into trying that out, thanks!

[nova sparrow]

you can set several sets of Language presets with it which is pretty neat 😉

[sleek pulsar]

oh nice

oh i just found i can set shortcut phrases

im gonna see if it works

„Test ”

[timid vector]

it was zwei Brücken* actually which would be "EINE Brücke" in singular

[sleek pulsar]

Ok it kinda works!

[timid vector]

actually it's kinda hard to think of a time you would use the cardinal (aka not for a neuter noun in nom/akk.) "eins" outside of just... counting

[tacit isle]

@timid vector read again he said “numerals” so I answered about numerals

Although I think we are arguing the same point haha

[timid vector]

read the example he gave

[tacit isle]

I did an I answered that normal numerals do not get declined, such as zwei. Then you pointed out that ein is the instance where it does get changed and I agree with that. All I ever said was that eins doesn’t change.

And I also agree you wouldn’t really ever use that unless like counting or something

[nova sparrow]

mission complete! 😉

[tacit isle]

It’s just the difference between numerals and indefinite articles

[timid vector]

🤦 this is what I am trying to explain to you

it's not an indefinite article thing

[tacit isle]

I know bruh haha that’s why I said we are arguing the same point

[timid vector]

I have ONE dog
How many dogs?
ONE

both are einen

not an article

[tacit isle]

I know but he asked about numerals, so I answered that. I think you answered what he was ACTUALLY trying to ask.

[nimble viper]

To take someone up on something

[verbal girder]

i did 👏

[timid vector]

can't help those who wish to be taught wrong I suppose

[tacit isle]

We’re going in circles. I’m pretty sure in your example, even though you don’t have the noun in the answer, it is still considered the indefinite article. Eins is a numeral, ein is an indefinite article

Wie viele Brücken? -Eine. <— indefinite article

[sleek pulsar]

Yep! :3

[nova sparrow]

Great! 😄

[rugged hazel]

Eins does get declined: Its declension is the one of the article "ein"
Duden4 p.334

[rugged hazel]

"eine" is also a numeral
Corrected by edit

[tacit isle]

Really? wow, I had researched it and everything I read told me there was a difference between them. Thank you for the correction! 🙂

[rugged hazel]

"Eins" is listed as a special case in Duden 4

Because you decline it

[tacit isle]

Gotchya! I suppose at that point its just definitions because use case dictates that you pretty much always use Eins in its declined form. Good to know that it does indeed come from Eins though. Thank you!

[rugged hazel]

I mean, you are correct in the sense that it is syntactically an indefinite pronoun, but meaning-wise, it is also a numeral
That's the confusing thing about numerals, they span a range of parts of speech. So technically "eins" does not get used like an adjective but like an articleword, unlike "zwei" and any other cardinal number, which is used as an adjective (when used attributively)

[tacit isle]

mmmmmm I see. I wasn't allowing it to be both. I was just defining it as indefinite? Is that correct?

[rugged hazel]

Grammar: Indefinite article
Meaning: Numeral

[tacit isle]

Oh, so it's just one way to say the other thing basically

[rugged hazel]

Probably

[tacit isle]

Either way, I believe Yaxom and I were arguing the same use case for it. We just had different ideas of the definition of numeral haha

[rugged hazel]

I read your convo and it really does seem like you were on the same page i agree

[tacit isle]

Thank you for clearing up the definition though 🙂

Always appreciated

[rugged hazel]

"Ein" is the biggest mystery of German Grammar
jokingly said

[tacit isle]

This is definitely what is the most confusing thing especially because in English the difference between a numeral and an indefinite article is clear haha "one" vs "a" or "an". But in German I'm gathering an indefinite article can be both a numeral and indefinite article. Which makes sense.

[charred harbor]

You can use stress to determine which meaning you want in German

Like einen will often get shorted to nen which you’d pretty much only do if you were using it as a/an

Whereas with the full word you can emphasise that you only mean one specifically

[rugged hazel]

That's a good point 👍

[fervent kernel]

"Kommst du am Sonntag zu uns"
Is this right?

[fervent kernel]

Yes, with a question mark.

[fervent kernel]

Thanks

[willow timber]

Erklären Sie bitte

Auf English

[rugged hazel]

A friend wrote an email to you writing that she is going to visit you in the city you live in. She asks about what you have planned for the weekend you're going to spend together. You have to write her an E-Mail back mentioning 4 activities you've planned

[willow timber]

Danke

[wise ravine]

könnte verkehren wirklich intercourse bedeuten?

[woven wind]

auch welche refers to "die Leute", right?/ and so eins gibt's nur einmal means "it's unique", right?

[whole portal]

Yes

[woven wind]

Sagen Sie uns doch bitte zum Abschluss noch, wie Sie die Chancen sehen, dass .. --> noch=still? / could we drop noch here?

[whole portal]

furthermore

It could be dropped, just sounds a bit more natural with it

[woven wind]

perfekt

ganz oben mit dabei sind Städte wie Münster, Freiburg und Karlsruhe. --> Cities like Münster, Freiburg and Karlsruhe are at the top of the list.

what does "mit dabei sein" exactly mean? could it change the meaning in other contexts or the meaning is one and "to be on the list"?

[woven wind]

Hier lebe ich in einem attraktiven Umfeld, ohne auf Komfort {m} zu verzichten. Fest steht doch: .. --> which meaning does "doch" here convey? "but" ??

[whole portal]

it's like "no matter what"

No matter what, it's clear that ...

[frigid aurora]

.

Guys why don't we say 'braunen', 'starken' and 'grünen' for these adjectives which are obviously in front of plural nouns

[whole portal]

Wdym these are in Akkusativ

er hat wen? Braune Haare, grüne Augen, starke Arme.

[frigid aurora]

z.ß. ---> Die karierten Hemden

There is 'en' at the end

Bcz hemd is plural

[verbal girder]

as i said in #questions , if it lacks the determiner "die" the adjective takes the strong declension

above you dont have determiners like "die, ein, etc."

[frigid aurora]

Ugghh thanks a LOTTT

♡♡♡

[fervent kernel]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen "Hinweis" und "Tipp"?

Und welches kann für "giving a tip in a restaurant" benutzt werden?

[rugged hazel]

Yes, you could also use "aber" in its place. Both are not a conjunction here

[rugged hazel]

Keines, dafür würdest du "Trinkgeld" nutzen

[fervent kernel]

@rugged hazel Übrigens, danke für das PDF-Dokument. Das hat mir geholfen 👍

[rugged hazel]

Freut mich

[timid vector]

hinweis is like a note or a clue and Tipp is like "10 tips to lose weight" kind of tip

[gritty gyro]

Is this sentence correct?
"Nach reiflicher Überlegung haben wir ihr Angebot berücksichtigt und entschieden, dass wir 100 Bohrmaschinen von jedem Modell bestellen möchten."

[whole portal]

passt

[gritty gyro]

danke

[rugged hazel]

If you write this to some entity directly, "ihr" should be capitalized for formality

[west pond]

what's the difference between "Selbt" and reflexive pronouns like "sich", when would you use that and when would you use the other? what even is "Selbst" is it like an adjective or what?

[fervent kernel]

Die Fantastischen Vier Lied “Zusammen” sagt “Nehmt die Flossen hoch und die Tassen auch”
Ist Flossen Slang für Hände? „Fins“ sounds funny. When I first heard it, I thought I might’ve misunderstood Flaschen, lol

Yes

Danke!

[rugged hazel]

Hey

[rugged hazel]

For you

[ruby lagoon]

i have a question regarding Anki. If i wanted to have multiple card types in the same deck (for instance, if i wanted a weather related deck, with weather nouns and adjectives) then how would i go about doing that?

[viral jolt]

I'm afraid the statement isn't clear.. you can simply create a deck titled "Weather" and chuck everything there

[trail temple]

how do you say "is there any..." in german?

[nova sparrow]

do you have a specific situation?
Because it really depends on the context...

[trail temple]

like "is there any german literature i can read","are there any papers left"?

[nova sparrow]

1st sentence: you would not translate it word by word, because if you can read there is for sure some german literature you can read but you would rather ask for recommendations (to improve) and it depends on whom you ask and where you ask:
Können Sie / könnt ihr / kannst du mir deutsche Texte empfehlen, die ich lesen kann (rather lesen könnte) um besser zu werden. (and maybe tell what you would like to improve: your reading skill, new words to learn, a new topic to discover...)

[trail temple]

thanks

[woven wind]

is **hiermit **the same as **damit **here??

[rugged hazel]

Yes, it is the same type of word

[woven wind]

danke

[placid torrent]

"Der Test ist mir sehr wichtig und leider habe ich keine andere Möglichkeit diese Disziplinen zu üben, als in einer Sporthalle." ist das Komma richtig

[rugged hazel]

I think you also need a comma in front of diese Disziplin

[nova sparrow]

"Der Test ist mir sehr wichtig und leider habe ich keine andere Möglichkeit, diese Disziplinen zu üben, als in einer Sporthalle."

[placid torrent]

beides vergessen lol

aber danke dir für nächste mal

[woven wind]

"alle haben viel Zeit und helfen sich gegenseitig, sie kommen **dann **auch mit weniger Geld aus" --> dann= later ?? dann= in this case ??

[nova sparrow]

in this case^^

[open brook]

Wenn die Mehrzahl von Datum Daten ist, wie kann man dann beim Reden Daten, für Datum, und Daten für ganz normale Daten z.B Server Daten unterscheiden?

[viral jolt]

Kontext

an diesen Daten musst du die Server Daten aktualisieren

:999iq:

[fervent kernel]

Wenn man Daten bestimmten Daten zuordnen muss

[woven wind]

Geh weiter nach vorne /Hör nicht auf vorwärts zu gehen
is it a natural way of saying "move forward" when it comes to Motivation Talks or sth .. ??

and if you have any suggestion, would be glad.

[lost belfry]

what is great in german cause i cant remember how to spell it but good is gut correct?

[fervent kernel]

'Großartig/Toll'.

[lost belfry]

gross-ar-tig?

[fervent kernel]

I recommend 'DeepL' for translations.

[fervent kernel]

Correct.

[lost belfry]

awesome, thank you very much sir

[fervent kernel]

You're welcome.

[brave gust]

I need to talk a little bit about environmental protection in german for a school homework. I made my little script, but I am unsure if is well written or not. Could anyone read it and tell me if there are any mistakes?
Umweltschutz hilft uns Menschen, ein viel saubereres und ordentlicheres Leben zu führen. Er hilft uns, ein gesundes Leben ohne Gefahren zu führen. Um die Umwelt zu schützen, müssen wir uns vor allem um sie kümmern, aufhören, Abfälle auf den Boden zu werfen, wir recyceln Abfall.
Fabriken sollten vorsichtiger mit ihren Maschinen umgehen, um nicht mehr so ​​viel Rauch zu produzieren, der sowohl für uns als auch für die Umwelt gefährlich ist.
Umweltschutz ist uns sehr wichtig, denn wenn wir uns nicht darum kümmern, werden wir leiden.

[proven sphinx]

It's fine for the most part, though the last sentence of the first paragraph sounds pretty weird. It should probably be something like "Um die Umwelt zu schützen, müssen wir uns vor allem um sie kümmern, indem wir damit aufhören, Abfälle auf den Boden zu werfen, und unseren Abfall recyceln."

And it should be "Der Umweltschutz ist (...)" in the first and last sentence. German tends to use the definite article far more often than English in these kinds of contexts.

[woven wind]

veredeln = verarbeiten ??

Aber es hat sich gezeigt, dass diese Gebühren weder den Studenten noch den Universitäten nützen. Denn es hat sich nicht wirklich etwas verbessert. -->
Is it "SichDat. etw verbessern" ??

[haughty orchid]

Hallo Leute! Ich habe eine Frage. Ist meinen Satz korrekt? -> "Dieses Buch gehört mir."

[proven sphinx]

You need to drop the “an” at the end.

[delicate tiger]

=edler machen/hochwertiger machen

[rugged hazel]

Grammar is correct, but meaning makes no sense
"Gehören" is what you need, not "Angehören"

[whole portal]

mfw they married the book

[fervent kernel]

Was bedeutet genau Betrieb? 🤔
Company, operation?

[cloud vale]

Beides... Zum Beispiel Der Betrieb Mercedes stellt Autos her./ Der Fahrstuhl (lift) ist in Betrieb.

[whole portal]

Na ja Betrieb ist schon eher was Mittelständiges

[open brook]

Dein Satz ist korrekt, allerdings war die Frage falsch, so sollte sie eigentlich sein, ist mein Satz korrekt, in dem Fall verwendet man also den Nominativ

ich habe ne Frage, wie kann man den Unterschied zwischen den Verben mit den verschiedenen Präpositionen erkennen, ohne jedes Verb lernen zu müssen z.B abschneiden, ausschneiden, anschneiden usw, wann setzt man was ein, und gibt es ne Regelung für solche Verben, weil die mich immer verwirren

[haughty orchid]

Oh, na ja, ich habe nicht gesehen, daß ich einen Fehler gemacht habe. Vielen Dank!

[open brook]

bitte

[wise pendant]

Nach heutiger Rechtschreibung schreibt man "dass" mit zwei s.

[fervent kernel]

Wird das Wort "Abitur" für nur Gymnasium benutzt? Oder kann man auch für Universität das Wort benutzen?

[thorn pelican]

nur gymnasium
Abitur ist eine spezifische klausur / ein spezifischer abschluss

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[open brook]

weiß jmd?

[undone verge]

in manchen Fällen folgen solche Verben einem Muster (ab = 'off', aus='out', usw.) Man erkennt das an den Beispielen 'abschneiden' und 'ausschneiden' zB. Aber manchmal ändert das Präfix die Bedeutung eines Verbes etwas unabhängig von der Bedeutung der Präfix-Präposition. In diesem Fall musst du die einfach auswendig lernen--hoffentlich im Kontext 🙏

[rose schooner]

Hi guys! When should I use ''in'' and when should I use "im"?

[open brook]

im = in dem, thats the dativ form, u can use it for words that come in dative that use the artikel der and das

in is normally for times and dates for example in einem Monat werde ich 18, in einer Stunde fahre ich Heim

[open brook]

example, Morgen bin ich nicht im Haus

[rose schooner]

Thank you!!

[open brook]

ur welcome

[mystic dirge]

For the sentence "actually, I'm hesitant" would that be "eigentlich, Ich bin zögerlich"?

Probably a better, more natural way to say it but I'm trying to help someone with a sentence and just need to check the grammar mostly..

Sorry if I'm speaking over anyone

[rocky sorrel]

"eigentlich bin ich zögerlich"

[urban musk]

How is this sentence? :)

Ich bin künstlerisch begabt und fantasievoll, obwohl ich verärgert manchmal kann.

I'm mainly testing out a grammar concept proceding "obwohl"

[rocky sorrel]

May you repeat the second part of the sentence in English?

[urban musk]

"--, although I can sometimes be angry"

[rocky sorrel]

Ahh, got it

Then it would be:
Ich bin künstlerisch begabt und fantasievoll, obwohl ich manchmal wütend sein kann.
If you want it to sound more natural, you could replace "fantasievoll" mit "voller Fantasie"

Ich bin künstlerisch begabt und und voller Fantasie, obwohl ich manchmal wütend sein kann.

[urban musk]

Oh okay, thank you! So manchmal is placed before the descriptive word?

[mystic dirge]

What makes it "bin ich" and not "ich bin"? Is there a rule or grammatical difference somewhere in the sentence that I'm missing ?

[arctic nymph]

I think "bin ich" ordering is for questions

[rocky sorrel]

Not allways. But here yeah

[arctic nymph]

Like "am I"

[rocky sorrel]

True, but it's not a question

[urban musk]

I think it's written as "bin ich" bc there's an element before the subject

[rocky sorrel]

[arctic nymph]

Is there an English equivalent to make me understand this more?

[urban musk]

Not really ahah

Not that I can think of

[mystic dirge]

Oh god okay bet!
English .. isn't my native language so what would an "element" be?

[urban musk]

A part/segment of the sentence :)

[mystic dirge]

Is it the uhh "eigentlich"?

Oh wait I got it, nevermind!! Okay thank you!

[urban musk]

Yes, and since that comes before you say "I am", it's essentially written as "am I" but it means the same as if you were to say "I am"

[mystic dirge]

Aah okok thanks so much!!

[urban musk]

Np!! Glad I could help :)

[inner ridge]

In the sentence, " Sie erinnerte sich gern an einige deutsch__ Verwandte", the adjective ending should be -en because einige is always plural. But the correction shows that the ending is -e. Am I wrong or is the correction wrong ?

[urban musk]

It sounds funky at first but it's a pretty easy grammar concept to grasp all things considered :)

Sorry Mycka I'm not quite at your level, but hopefully someone can help you out <3

[inner ridge]

Np! 🙂

[whole portal]

einig__e__ deutsch__e__ lol

Dativ Plural is what you're thinking of

But this is Akkusativ Plural

@inner ridge

[inner ridge]

Wow thanks Yoshi

[flint nimbus]

how do i say "i think" as in "in my opinion"? Like for example I think the Harry course is better than the Nico course?

[undone verge]

'ich glaube' 'ich bin der Meinung' 'ich denke'

[flint nimbus]

but ich glaube means "i think" as in "i believe" which is something very different?

[undone verge]

is it? 'in my opinion' and 'I believe' can be used in very similar contexts

[flint nimbus]

yes, what i want to get at is the concept of having an opinion, kind of like a preference. I don't want the concept which just denotes uncertainty

i realize there's some overlap, and a lot of overlap in word usage, especially in english, but i assume there are words that are more central to either of the concepts in german

[undone verge]

there's two other options up there. 'Ich finde' is another

[flint nimbus]

oh right, finden is a good one!

Ich finde den Harry-Kurs besser als den Nico-Kurs.
maybe that works?

[undone verge]

yes, that would work

[worthy igloo]

was ist der unterschied zwischen „doch“ und „ja“ als Modalpartikel in dem sinne von betonung?

Das ist doch super!
Das ist ja super!

die beide können positiv sein, richtig?

als reaktion vielleicht

[rugged hazel]

You're asking about difference in Betonung and then you're asking about whether both can be positive -- Do you want to know about pronounciation/intonation or meaning?

[timid vector]

I think they meant the English "emphasis"

as in adding emphasis to the following word

[worthy igloo]

@rugged hazel @timid vector yeah, i meant "emphasis"! it was the only translation i saw on wordreference

[timid vector]

Betonung is more like... the emphasis on a syllable

[rugged hazel]

the stress?

[timid vector]

like Be to nung

stress, emphasis, accentuation, ictus w/e

[nimble viper]

Das Zweite bezieht sich mMn eher auf etwas, wobei alle derselben Meinung sind (Das ist ja cool).
Das Erste eher mit Leidenschaft oder im Ernst gemeint

Oder mit dem Zweiten auch etwas, das den Sprecher erstaunt hat, bzw das den Sprecher dazu geführt hat, die Sache “cool” zu nennen

Ich würde sagen, nur das Zweite kann man so sarkastisch sagen

Like “Wow, that’s sure cool…”

[icy flax]

When you use "doch" you are implying "well but it is good after all!" (as if someone would b thinking it was not super before, as if the mood were a bit down before)

The "ja super" is more 'it is good and, well, we all knew and know it is super.

If you are talking about the entonation in sentence, you can stress which ever part you want. It's pretty open to you.

I listen in my head all these for instance:
Das ist doch super!
Das ist doch super!
Das ist doch super!
Das ist doch super!

[trail temple]

"Wie sollen wir uns verhalten", why does it have "wir uns"?isnt that means "we us"?

[nimble viper]

No

Reflexive verb

Look the grammar up if you are not familiar

In context “we ourselves”

[rugged hazel]

As Alp says, it's technically a personal pronoun in reflexive usage
"sich verhalten" is a true reflexive verb which requires the reflexive pronoun "sich" or like in your example the fitting personal pronoun used as a reflexive pronoun

Since "uns" is in 1st person Plural, just like "wir" is, you can tell that it's being used reflexively

[fervent kernel]

Ist dieser Anfang in einer Email formell?

"Sie haben mir gesagt, dass ..."

Mir klingt das wie Umgangssprache. Was könnte eine alternative Version sein, die formell ist? Oder kann man wie auf Englisch dieser Satz schreiben? "Ich wurde gesagt, dass..." (I was told that...)

[viscid token]

Ich persönlich würde "Sie sagten mir, dass.." schreiben aber vielleicht hat jemand eine bessere Idee.

[fervent kernel]

Ich brauche eine Muttersprachler, denke ich. Auf Englisch klappt diese Versionen aber auf Deutsch könnte es total unterschiedlich

[jovial pagoda]

I'd use "Ich wurde darüber informiert, dass" here

[undone verge]

Sie haben mir gesagt is not Umgangssprache.
But you can formulate it as: "Mir wurde gesagt" if you want

it really depends on what the rest of the sentence is, what different ways of phrasing this present themselves

[fervent kernel]

Und wo ist das Subjekt in diesem Satz? 🤔

[undone verge]

german passive voice doesn't need a subject

subjektloses Passiv

[fervent kernel]

"I was told that I need to send you this document" or "You have told me that I need to send you this document"

[undone verge]

(das Subjekt)

'Sie meinten, ich solle Ihnen dieses Dokument schicken' , for example

[fervent kernel]

Ich möchte auch fragen, was "vor allem" genau bedeutet? Bedeutet das "first of all" oder "especially"

[undone verge]

'especially'

Er war sehr hässlich, vor allem weil er nie lächelte.

[flint nimbus]

Was essen Nico und die anderen?
what is the grammar at play here to get anderen?

[undone verge]

andere- is a nominalised adjective, and it declines according to the plural article 'die'

[fervent kernel]

Wie kann man dann "first of all" sagen?

[flint nimbus]

but does that imply that it's dative then? Why?

[undone verge]

hmmm...zuallererst, perhaps? I don't know what the most direct translation is. My instinct is 'zum einen' or 'erstens' but those are probably more accurately translated as 'for one (thing)'

[undone verge]

no, it is accusative. If it were dative, the article would be 'den'

do you understand adjective declension?

that is a prerequisite to understanding this concept

[flint nimbus]

yes

i see, it's -en, because it's plural

[undone verge]

yes exactly 😄

it's as if you would just chop the noun off, and now the adjective is the noun but it's still declined

[flint nimbus]

is there kind of an implied plural noun there then, that we never need to say?

wait hold on

we don't need to do that, right? the adjective would still get -en in adjective declension for plural

[undone verge]

it is the german equivalent to what we would in english say as 'the other ones/people, 'the others'

[jovial pagoda]

Isn't it nominative, both Nico and die anderen are the subject here

[flint nimbus]

so it's not that the adjective becomes a noun, rather there is an implied noun, or?

[undone verge]

yes, it is nominative here, sorry

forgot what the sentence even was 😂

[flint nimbus]

yes, nominative plural

ok, ich glaube ich verstehe. Danke schön!

[undone verge]

to me, the adjective is the noun, it is 'nominalisiertes Adjektiv'

there is a whole debate on if and when this is capitalised, but I learned that it ought to be in most cases. However natives often don't 🤷

[flint nimbus]

so i suppose since -en sometimes implies plural for nouns as well, that could be an argument that it might as well be a noun... hm. Well, the course doesn't capitalize, so i'll follow suit

[undone verge]

this is a legitimate grammatical concept, not just guesswork on my part:
https://languagetool.org/insights/de/beitrag/nominalisierte-adjektive/
https://languagetool.org/insights/de/beitrag/die-anderen-andere/

it is something you'll encounter time and time again:
Willst du die roten Blumen? Nein, ich will die Blauen

[flint nimbus]

i understand, and i understand the debate as you described it and why it would be an issue for people to debate

[undone verge]

here, 'blue' becomes a nominalised adjective

[flint nimbus]

right

[undone verge]

but not really 😄

[flint nimbus]

and it should work for singular as well i assume, so

Welche Auto möchten Sie? - Das große, bitte

[undone verge]

Welches Auto

[flint nimbus]

right, thanks

i assume it declines according to the implied noun as well?

[undone verge]

yes, exactly

[flint nimbus]

so

Welcher Tisch möchten Sie? - Den großen, bitte.

not capitalizing makes sense to me then, i'll stick to that for now

adjective declension patterns with adjectives with articles or without etc is low key one of the most exciting things about german

getting it right is very satisfying

[undone verge]

in the cases you've used, not capitalising is appropriate. There are 'rules', so in some situations it is actually correct to capitalise and incorrect not to, but whether or not it pays off to learn these or to just wing it is for you to decide

[fervent kernel]

wie heißen diese Wörter in Bezug auf Grammatik?
genau, überhaupt, ganz usw.

nicht Adjektive

[flint nimbus]

oh ok!

[undone verge]

genau, überhaupt, ganz are adverbs/adjectives

I am horrible at parts of speech, so I don't know why I answer these questions, but 'genau!' can also be an interjection and überhaupt can be used as a particle

whether or not that ever takes away from their status as adjective and/or adverb I do not know

[flint nimbus]

if they're used as adjectives sometimes, then that can't be taken away by them being used in other ways at other times

[undone verge]

no, I mean is an interjection and adjective at the same time, for example

or is it separate

in duden they have partly the same examples for überhaupt under adverb and particle

[flint nimbus]

even for grammar nerds, i don't think these kinds of things should be the focus of the nerdiness 😄

[undone verge]

sometimes i still think back on when I learned what a 'copula' was in a discussion about whether 'sein' is a vollverb, helpverb, etc etc.

parts of speech: nicht so meins 😂

doch doch 😄
https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopula_(Grammatik)

[charred fog]

nvm

I realise now

[undone verge]

wofür das gut ist? naja gar keine Ahnung 😂

[charred fog]

learning linguistics can be interesting and help a bit for learning languages but it's really not necessary

[rugged hazel]

anderen is an inflected form of andere, which is an adjective
Meaning-wise, it belongs to "Zählwörter" bzw "Adjektivische Zählwörter"
It gets declined like a regular adjective, that's why "anderen" is in Plural Nominativ
Together with the conjunction "und", it forms a noun phrase in your sentence which is "Nico und die Anderen"
If we agree on "anderen" being a, as hallö_hierchen said, nominalised adjective, then it has to be capitalized. Any Zählwort is capitalized if it is considered a noun. In fact, anything we consider noun has to be capitalized ( although there are some optional groups of words for which you can use both, and it's a mess)
My source is Dudenband 4 and Dudenband 9

[flint nimbus]

thanks, i think i understand the distinction. Nevertheless i'll follow the course's suggestion for now, and if i encounter enough information to change my mind later, then that will be easy so no harm done. In my mind, it makes sense to view it has having an implied noun rather, anyway. And if it declines differently based on which implied noun it is, then it makes more sense to treat it as an adjective with an implied noun to me

[rugged hazel]

Then we consider it to be a pronoun

[flint nimbus]

do we? I mean like in this sample sentence (if it is correct)

Welcher Tisch möchten Sie? - Den großen, bitte.
what i thought i was doing was this:

Welcher Tisch möchten Sie? - Den großen (Tisch), bitte.

which seems like a different kind of treatment than pronouns altogether, since pronouns replace nouns

[whole portal]

Großen, no?

[rugged hazel]

I don't know anymore, Online Duden says it is a pronoun, but book duden definitely only says it's an adjective

[flint nimbus]

well 😄 can i see the online Duden, if you have it open?

[whole portal]

What allows you to write it lowercase tho

[undone verge]

when it is so directly replacing (or not!?) a noun, you don't have to capitalise it

[whole portal]

Am I missing something

Is this not a Substantivierung

[undone verge]

not in the most technical sense of the word anyway

it's no Duden, but from the website I linked above

[rugged hazel]

Sort of exception to the rule where both is possible

Which is stupid

See: https://www.duden.de/sprachwissen/rechtschreibregeln/Groß- und Kleinschreibung#D77

[whole portal]

I know about Indefinitpronomen and Zahlwörter as exceptions but groß is neither of them, no?

[undone verge]

sorry, wrong picture

[whole portal]

The last one kinda 🤨

[undone verge]

yeah, I assume the last one is the case in question

but Duden definitely has to be more legit and comprehensive

[whole portal]

time to put it into Mentor for shits and giggles

[undone verge]

D73?

[whole portal]

It didn't even catch Welcher lol

[flint nimbus]

is something wrong with Welcher?

[undone verge]

should be welchen

[whole portal]

Welchen

Yeah D73

[flint nimbus]

oh

[whole portal]

Aight fine

[undone verge]

can't wait to forget this in a week and have the same discussion next year 😈

[whole portal]

But yeah it's silly to have so many exceptions to the rule

[terse inlet]

Wie kann ich bitte diese Wörter ordnen (in der Form des Präsens) ?

[jovial pagoda]

Meine Pflanze wächst so schnell, dass ich bald keinen Platz mehr habe.

[terse inlet]

Danke

[fervent kernel]

wie heißt auf Deutsch das Wort "case" in Justiz?

[whole portal]

Fall

Gelegentlich das dem Lateinischen entnommene Causa .

[fervent kernel]

@whole portal danke und kann man das Wort "begehen" für z.B. "I committed myself to this job" benutzen?

Die Übersetzung von "begehen" ist "to commit"

Oder ist es nur für Straftaten?

[whole portal]

Vielleicht nicht nur für Straftaten aber auf jeden Fall nicht auf diese Weise.

[fervent kernel]

danke

[river bridge]

This question was probably asked a bunch of times, but I'm having trouble with the R sound
The R in "frei" is fine for me, and same with the one in "mutter"
I can't seem to get the one in "regen" down. No matter what technique I use, I end up making a sound that sounds roughly like a rolled R, but in the back of my mouth

How would I prevent that from happening, and just make the R sound?

[lyric saddle]

uhm

try like "rolling" the R

in mutter, the r is pronunced kinda like "muttäa" but more harsh

as always in pronounciation, practice makes perfect. so if you want to train your R`s, talk to people.

[river bridge]

Yeah the "mutter" one is fine
So, is that "rolled" R pronunciation correct for Regen, drei, an brot? I thought it was a bit more of a dry sound

[plain umbra]

No matter what technique I use, I end up making a sound that sounds roughly like a rolled R, but in the back of my mouth
Isn't that correct though?

The typical German R is at the back, not at the front of the mouth.

[river bridge]

I thought I remembered it being more dry if that makes sense, could be wrong though

[plain umbra]

It's hard to say without hearing it. Maybe you can make a recording and post it in #pronunciation ?

[river bridge]

Yeah sure

[flint nimbus]

Die Haupstadt von Litauen, Vilnius, liegt in Osten von es.
is this a good sentence?

[modest marten]

No.

• It is "im Osten", not "in Osten".
• "von es" is incorrect, because "es" is nominative, and "von" should be with dative here.
• It is not very clear that "es" is referring to the country with this construction.

I would propose:
"Die Hauptstadt von Litauen, Vilnius, liegt im Osten des Landes."

[flint nimbus]

thanks! I'm not messing with genetive, but otherwise, noted!

[modest marten]

Then you could try omitting "von es" altogether (leaving it up to people to get it by context):
"Die Hauptstadt von Litauen, Vilnius, liegt im Osten."

[flint nimbus]

sounds good!

[flint nimbus]

if i want to say "or, more natural(ly)" when discussing a german sentence structure for example, would oder, natürlicher be a good translation of that? Like if first there is one sentence that might be correct but not as natural as the second sentence that is just about to be introduced by this phrase

[fervent kernel]

@rugged hazel ich möchte dir diese Frage stellen weil du mir dieses Thema erklärt hast (und ich freut mich darüber)

Ich habe einmal eine App benutzt und ich habe "empfangen" gesehen während die App die Dateien hochgeladen hat. Kann man das Wort "empfangen" für abstrakte Dinge benutzen?

[undone verge]

'idiomatisch' is the word I most commonly associate with talking about how 'natural' something sounds in German 🙂

[undone verge]

dir diese Frage stellen, weil...erklärt hast (und ich freue mich darüber)

[flint nimbus]

i see! Well both idiomatic and natural are words in english, but maybe doesn't work in german then

[fleet bridge]

Wie kann man "anhören" "hören" und "zuhören" unterscheiden?

Ich meine, wie benutzt man dieses Wörter

[fervent kernel]

was ist die Verschiede zwischen "dunkel" und "dunkle"?

[jovial pagoda]

dunkle is dunkel with Adjektivdeklination

[novel dove]

How do you know when to use ß, ss, or s?

[merry flint]

I thought using ß and ss is the same and can be used both ways🤷

[verbal girder]

no...

[merry flint]

[wise pendant]

ß is after long vowels and ss after short vowels. (The swiss use "ss" for both but everywhere else, not distinguishing them is considered wrong)

for example in
Maße - measurements
Masse - heap, mass

[merry flint]

Ahh so it is different then

[novel dove]

ahh thank you!

[flint nimbus]

i think ß can never be voiced as well, right?

Also, before the spelling reform 1994 things weren't as strict, and ß isn't used everywhere german is used

[rugged hazel]

Yes: You can receive love "Liebe empfangen"

[fervent kernel]

Danke

Könnte jemand bitte mir sagen, was der Soldat um 28:20 in diesem Video sagt? 🤔
"Hat jemand Munition ..."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk3V8-FU2nw

[rugged hazel]

übrig

[fervent kernel]

Ich höre das wie "übrecht" 😅

Danke

[rugged hazel]

g is pronounced like ch is a lot

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe gelernt, dass das Endung -ig wie "ich" ist

Das was ich gelehrt wurde

Naja, ich werde mich um diese Dinge gewöhnen

[prisma kindle]

Not always though. Also not, in cases like "übrigens", but it's not the ending there, so...

[prisma kindle]

Aber das weiche "ch"

[fervent kernel]

I meant the last syllable but couldn't find the correct word in German 😅

I gotta hear more German podcasts and such

[prisma kindle]

No, "Endung" was right as the last syllable

I just meant that -ig is not the ending in "übrigens"

[fervent kernel]

yes, my bad. Now I read your sentence again, I understood wrong 😅

[rugged hazel]

We definitely consider it to be an indefinite pronoun if we don't capitalize it. It has nothing to with nominalisation in your example

[opaque slate]

how do you translate "should have"? ex. I should have gone there today

[plain umbra]

hätte sollen

Ich hätte heute Deutsch lernen sollen. = I should have studied German today.

[opaque slate]

Ich hätte dahin gehen sollen

thanks

[plain umbra]

gehen

[urban oxide]

Man verwendet diesen Satz in einem Restaurant:

Wir sind zu zweit

Und auf Englisch wird es "We are two [people]"

Kommt das "zweit" hier von "zweite" (second)?
Warum ist es nicht "Wir sind zwei" stattdessen?

[long whale]

I'd translate that as "There's two of us". And yes, it comes from "zweit-". I'm not sure there's a good explanation for this. However, it works the same way if there's 3, 4, 5 or more of you: Wir sind zu dritt/viert/fünft/sechst etc.

[urban oxide]

Ach so

If I were to say something like "We are second" (as in, we came second in a race or something)
then what would it be in German?

"Wir sind zweit" or "Wir sind zweite"?

with or without the ending

because I have noticed that when adjectives don't follow the noun then they don't take an ending
"Das Haus ist klein" vs "Das kleine Haus"

[long whale]

Wir sind Zweite geworden. Er ist Erster geworden.

Sie (a woman) ist Erste geworden.

[urban oxide]

is it like the noun is implicit?

because it follows the normal adjective endings

if we added a der then would it change to:
Er ist der Erste geworden

[long whale]

2 different things: in your sentence about the house, it's an adverbially used adjective in German (an adverb in English): loud music = laute Musik vs. she sang loudly = sie sang laut. What you've got with "Erste/r" is a nominalized adjective. For this see https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/AdjectivalNouns/AdjectivalNouns.html

[urban oxide]

Ohhh

I recognise that

adjectival nouns

didn't realise it is the same thing happening here

I see

Thanks for the explanation!

[flint nimbus]

what's up with See and its gender?

[long whale]

Yes, exactly.

[long whale]

der See = lake vs. die See = sea

Just a case of "shit happens", I suppose. ;)

[flint nimbus]

the difference between lake and sea is just a matter of gender?

[long whale]

Well, for "sea" you've also got "das Meer" if you'd rather.

[flint nimbus]

i suppose just See with different genders is easy enough for now 🙂

[fervent kernel]

Sind "bemerken" und "realisieren" Synonyms?

[long whale]

I'd say "realisieren" is more like "sich einer Sache bewusst sein/werden", and it's only 1 of its meanings.

[fervent kernel]

So, it's like "to realize" in English. I was wondering this because according to verbformen.de, 1st meaning of "realisieren" is "to carry out"

Danke

[loud scaffold]

Wenn man im Deutschen sagen will, wie viele Personen man ist, muss man eine andere Form der Zahl verwenden.

Diese gehört insbesondere zur so genannten "Gesellschaftszahl" (Deutsche Bezeichnung) oder "Soziativzahl" (Lateinisch-deutsche Bezeichnung). Gesellschaftszahlen drücken Zusammengehöriges aus.

Man verwendet das für kleine Gruppen. Zu zweit usw. drückt eine festere Zusammengehörigkeit aus, die dann irgendwann aufhört. Wenn man z. B. nach einem Platz sucht, dann sagt man "wir sind zu zweit/zu dritt" um auszudrücken, dass man zusammengehört und nicht getrennt werden möchte.

Die Gesellschaftszahl beide, als Rest eines westgermanischen Duals, wird im Allgemeinen wie ein Adjektiv dekliniert:

seine beiden Eltern, in beider Namen

Sonst erfolgt eine Bildung auf zu und -t:

zu zweit, zu dritt, zu viert …, altertümlich auch zu zweien oder selbander, selbdritt – zuerst ist aber ein Ordinal

Zu dieser Gruppe könnten auch gezählt werden: einsam, Zweisamkeit
-sam bildet allgemeine Eigenschaftsbegriffe (seltsam zu selten, geruhsam zu Ruhe).

[urban oxide]

Ach so

[urban oxide]

mit anderen Worten: komplizierte Linguistik 🤣

[long whale]

Precisely. That's why I said it was only 1 of its meanings. ;)

[urban oxide]

Danke für die ausführliche Antwort!

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön 👍😊

[flint nimbus]

We sagt man "i think (as in it's my opinion that) we should do something" auf Deutsch?

[whole portal]

Ich finde

[flint nimbus]

Ich finde wir Etwas sollen machen, then?

[whole portal]

Ich finde, wir sollten etwas machen.

[flint nimbus]

wie = wir?

Danke schön

[fervent kernel]

Ich möchte etwas über Physik fragen. Wie kann man diesen Satz übersetzen?

"applying a force onto an object"

Ich suche nach der Übersetzung des Wortes "applying a force"

[rugged hazel]

I'd use "einwirken" for that

Mittels einer Kraft auf ein Objekt einwirken

[fervent kernel]

Das sieht komplex aus, als ich gedacht habe

Danke

[rugged hazel]

It's
[Mittels einer Kraft] [auf ein Objekt] [einwirken]
Modal Adverbial Prepositional phrase Verb

[fervent kernel]

Die Grammatik ist etwas, das ich noch nie gesehen hatte, "Mittels". Ich bereite mich auf das B2-Nievau vor. Vielleicht werde ich das darin sehen. Auf jeden Fall, danke 👍

[rugged hazel]

Es ist einfach "mit Hilfe"

[fervent kernel]

Das ist mehr formeller oder wissenschaftlicher, denke ich?

Mittels

[rugged hazel]

Yes

Probably

Wissenschaftlicher? I don't know. But it sounds fancy!

[fervent kernel]

Then I'm definitely using it 😄

[rugged hazel]

Yey

[fervent kernel]

kannst du bitte Beilspielen geben?

[jovial pagoda]

Der Raum ist dunkel, kannst du das Licht einschalten?

Er trägt heute dunkle Kleidung.

[novel jackal]

Is like
Im Wesentlichen

Idk why I thought of that there

[rugged hazel]

In predicative usage, it's "dunkel", while attributively, it's "dunkle"

[fervent kernel]

so, "ich sehe eine Frau mit dunklebraunen Haaren"?

[rugged hazel]

in composita it's "dunkel" again, even attributively

dunkelbraune Haare

Compare to:

dunkle, braune Haare
dunkle und braune Haare

[fervent kernel]

"ich sehe eine Frau mit dunkle Haaren" ist es richtig?

achso

[rugged hazel]

dunklen

[fervent kernel]

jetzt verstehe ich

[rugged hazel]

@long whale do many adjectives have this behaviour? I can't think of any other

[fervent kernel]

ich habe dunkle Haaren

[rugged hazel]

Haare

[long whale]

Mm... well... there's hoch/hoh annnd... let me think...

[rugged hazel]

ohh right

[charred fog]

there are plenty that end in el

wait are there

[undone verge]

I think they mean that have different attributive and predicative forms

[rugged hazel]

You're right!

[undone verge]

the -el behaviour is mirrored in some verbs, however. Like 'wechseln' -> ich wechsle

[rugged hazel]

Ah nice

[undone verge]

I assume it has to do with the vowels of the adjective declination causing the collapse of the -el

and/or conjugated verb

[rugged hazel]

the verb analogy is nice

[charred fog]

eitel

[long whale]

The "dropping the E" thing also happens in "teuer".

[charred fog]

might as well mention "euer" as well then

[junior plaza]

Is there a german equivalent to saying "uhhhhh" or something like that?

[long whale]

It's usually "äh" in German (when written)

[undone verge]

germans can also say 'uh'

[rugged hazel]

Which is nice, the change happens for each part of speech in different situations

[whole portal]

öhm

[cyan dew]

guys I'm at the very start of learning deutsch and all i do know is memorising words and practicing grammar in the book "german grammar drills"

should i do something in addition to this

[sudden cape]

I have found if you surround yourself in the language you want to learn in this case German it will be much easier to learn it because you force yourself to learn it E.g. German music tv shows etc

[cyan dew]

ok so its studying vocab and grammar + surrounding myself in german

That's enough??

[sudden cape]

Yeah but don't stress yourself about learning it fast stress is shown to decrease your memory strength

[cyan dew]

thank you very much bro

[woven wind]

any idea? using "um .. zu" or "infinitiv mit zu" ? which one would work or is better to use? or are both ok ???

[jovial pagoda]

um..zu means in order to do something (damit)

[oblique shoal]

there’s a different to that

zu + verb = answers the question what (object)
um + zu = answers the question why (reason)

[long whale]

I guess there might be natives who'd say the 2nd was okay, but I'd definitely use the 1st version. ;)

[rugged hazel]

This is misleading: Instead: um + zu + verb
Or: um + zu-Infinitive-Verb. Since zu is part of the verb

[oblique shoal]

genau, thanks for correcting me👍 forgot to add verb😁

[jaunty monolith]

Gibt es eigentlich ein deutsches Wort für "hookup" (im Sinne von einer spontanen einmaligen sexuellen Begegnung mit einem Wildfremden), oder sagt man heutzutage auch einfach "Hookup" auf Deutsch?

[whole portal]

One Night Stand

[fervent kernel]

Ich frage dies weil ich mir sicher sein möchte. Ist diese Übersetzung richtig?

"He plants the seeds in the ground" - "Er sät im Boden die Samen"

[whole portal]

no lol

in dem Boden != in den Boden

[fervent kernel]

Is that the only problem? Is the rest correct 😄

[whole portal]

You'd put it at the end

[fervent kernel]

Why?

[whole portal]

And you don't really use säen like that

Er steckt die Samen in den Boden.

[fervent kernel]

Btw, I wanted to be sure about the "säten" and "Samen" because the meaning might change 😄

[whole portal]

säen, not säten

Er pflanzt die Samen in den Boden ein.

[fervent kernel]

Ok, danke

[woven wind]

"Als qualifizierter Programmier kenne ich mich in den digitalen Lösungen gut aus, die man heutzutage oft im Büro durchsetzen kann. Ich könnte auch unseren Mitarbeitern ein Workshop dazu führen, in dem alle Kollegen erklärt werden, wie man Dokumente problemlos digitalisieren kann."

does "dazu" mean "additionally or moreover or .." or is it a formulation like "zu etw [Thema] ein Workshop führen" ??

[undone verge]

the text doesn't appear to be written without mistakes. I would guess they meant it in the sense of 'additionally', however the placement is wrong and the sentence makes little sense as is

edit: they probably meant it the other way, actually, but afaik the construction doesn't exist

[long whale]

As already pointed out by hallö, the text is riddled with mistakes. But IMO, "dazu" is supposed to mean "on this topic" (zu diesem Thema). :)

[woven wind]

does it literally mean "to take advantage of a full-time job" which means to take the offer ?? any idea ??

[long whale]

Yes, it's not a very... elegantly written text. They mean they'd like the full-time job, they just phrased it very awkwardly.

[woven wind]

right, i thought the same

what would you use instead ?

@long whale

[long whale]

Sth like "Eine Vollzeitstelle wäre mir am liebsten" maybe. The 1st sentence is particularly awful, btw. That passive... 🙀

[woven wind]

😂 right, i as a non-native could sense it. we don't really need to make things complex

[fervent kernel]

wie heißt dieser Autoteil? Ich habe 2 Wörter gefunden aber beide erscheinen nicht auf verbformen.de. Die Wörter sind "Aufhängung" und "Schockabsorber"

[balmy badger]

sa

[long whale]

Stoßdämpfer ;)

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön 👍 🙂

[whole portal]

Schockabsorber passt je nach dem aber auch

Beim Auto glaube ich aber eher weniger

[flint nimbus]

eine vollkommen andere Person
just out of curiousity, what's going on with vollkommen here? I suppose i'd expect it to end with e because multiple words referring to Person

[jovial pagoda]

Vollkommen here is an adverb so it stays the same

[long whale]

Just like in English: a totally different person. Not that "a total [and] different person" would make any sense, but you get my drift, don't you? ;)

[flint nimbus]

sorry, no i don't really. Might be easier to keep it to just german in this case!

[long whale]

Well... think of something like "a beautifully decorated box" (eine schön - no ending - dekorierte Schachtel) - very different from "a beautiful, decorated box" (eine schöne, dekorierte Schachtel), no?

In the 1st, "beautifully" describes the way the box is decorated. In the 2nd, there are 2 adjectives.

[flint nimbus]

anyway, i think what you're saying is that vollkommen isn't relating to Person, but rather to andere

[long whale]

Precisely. :)

[flint nimbus]

idk if that's what you're saying with the english examples, but that would make sense for the german at least

it also annoys me to have to go through english for another reason - i already know a language that is more similar to german: swedish, so going through english is often a detour for me 😄

but that's a more personal reason i suppose

[long whale]

I get that. You'll just have to find a Swedish-speaking German, then (shouldn't be all that difficult, I suppose). ;)

[flint nimbus]

i think we can manage to speak about german directly in most cases!

[flint nimbus]

perhaps a similar question to the previous one:

Mein tag ist immer gleich.
Why immer? What is it that causes that exact ending of immer? Why not, for example, immers?

[inland palm]

can somebody help me with a power point pressentation for 10 class in german*

[long whale]

immer is an adverb -> they never change.

[long whale]

If the text is long, best post it in #writing

[grave laurel]

Do Germans ever say "doch" twice in a row: "doch doch"?

[fervent kernel]

Guys pls someone helps me on an german hw

😭

[copper citrus]

Im having a lot of trouble understanding the meaning of "auf" in verben mit prapositionen
In what meaning is it used when paired with a verb

[gusty silo]

Das kommt vor, doch doch 😉

(the question seems oddly specific to me and you say you're C Level anyway, but i'll ask nevertheless: you're aware that 'doch doch' typically has a particular intonation? same as many (but not quite all) uses of the similarly repeated 'ja ja', or as those of 'nein nein')

[gusty silo]

can you give some examples?

[fervent kernel]

Can I use "Wo gehen wir zuerst?"

as: Where do we go first?

[gusty silo]

you cannot. you have to remember the distinction between wo indicating location as such and wohin indicating direction (movement to somewhere, to be specific. woher also exists for movement from somewhere), which is what you need there

[west reef]

Is there a German that could check my homework for me please? Happy to pay Geld

[fervent kernel]

So i should use wohin or woher instead of wo

?

[gusty silo]

you need wohin in this case, yes

[fervent kernel]

ok thanks

[copper citrus]

achten auf for example
im paying attention to class, the preposition in this sentence is "to"
however when you try to say this in german, you use the preposition auf. which means "on"

[grave laurel]

I'm not aware. I think overall I'm closer to level B.

My brother wrote "doch doch" in a sentence and I wondered whether that was a thing, because I've never heard it before.

He must have a good feel for the language! xD

[undone verge]

for verb-preposition pairs, you cannot directly translate them. And they also have pretty little to do with any 'literal' or locational meaning of the respective prepositions. They have to be memorised as constructions.

[gusty silo]

hm, to some extent you just have to be ready to learn individual constructions. i'm not sure if the usage 'auf etw. achten' is generaliseable in any useful way. atleast dictionaries normally indicate typical VERB+PREPOSITION+NOUN constructions i believe

[gusty silo]

ah i see!
yeah chapeau to your brother then :P

[copper citrus]

how can i decipher between them in a situation where i forget a certain cunstruction?
if i cant go off of their locational meanings, what type of logic should i use when trying to choose between one?

[undone verge]

in that case you'd sadly have to guess

[gusty silo]

i mean, you decipher or remember it the way you decipher or remember anything, ultimately

[velvet nymph]

Hallo

[undone verge]

after awhile I suppose you could develop a decent Sprachgefühl and have a better chance at guessing correctly, but prepositions remain one of the toughest parts of any foreign language, even 'fluent' foreign speakers

[copper citrus]

Oh great!

[gusty silo]

🤷 whether you can't think of the preposition that goes with 'achten' or whether you can't think of the verb 'achten' in the first place, amounts to the same doesn't it? you have to simply remember something anyway

[undone verge]

on the plus side, @copper citrus , most natives will get what you mean from context even if the preposition is wonky

[copper citrus]

that wont happen in a test setting like mk though

[gusty silo]

i mean achten only has two uses like this anyway.
there's "etw. achten" on its own, which may be a bit rare to hear, and then there's "auf etw. achten"

[copper citrus]

which is the most frustrating part

[undone verge]

no, for that it's just practice and memorisation. There's lists of these Verbindungen (verb-prep, verb-nomen, nomen-prep) that may be worth looking at if it's something you struggle with

[copper citrus]

i was trying to find a way to use logic instead of memorizing since that helps and tried to find a meaning in it

[gusty silo]

the actual object of achten will only ever show up without a preposition or with the preposition auf in particular.

[copper citrus]

so i still have to memorize its uses rather than IT as a construction

got it

[copper citrus]

alright thank you

[gusty silo]

i'm not sure what you mean but if you think you've got it, then that's a good sign i suppose(?)

[copper citrus]

idek anymore my brain is rotting

but i did get an answer, thank you both for that

🙏

[gusty silo]

ah okay, that's good then 😄

[shadow ocean]

ich brauche das für mein Seminar im nächsten Semester - why is it nächsten and not nächste?

[gusty silo]

think about the 'im' part

it's nächsten for the same reason it's im not in

[shadow ocean]

Because it's dativ?

So shouldnt it be nächstem

[gusty silo]

yes because it's dativ, but no it shouldn't be nächstem because it's a bit more complicated - an adjective can take different 'sets' of endings, and after a definite article (remember, im is in theory a contraction of 'in dem') the neuter singular dative ending is -en

if there were no article, it would be nächstem, then that would be correct

[shadow ocean]

For the same reason you use Am ersten Tag and not Am erstem Tag right?

[gusty silo]

correct!

one way to think about it is this:
adjectives have the 'fullest', most distinct set of endings when only they precede a noun.
if you add a definite article, they have the least distinct endings, since the definite article already carries some of the information.
after indefinite articles (ein, eine, etc.), after the negative "article" (kein, keine) and after possessives (mein, meine; dein, deine; sein; seine and so on) they have a slightly mixed set of endings.

[shadow ocean]

I see, thank you very much (:

[gusty silo]

no problem, good luck with it all 😄

[shadow ocean]

Thanks, you need a lot of luck with learning Deutsch 😂

[terse elbow]

Ist der Song "like mich am Arsch" einen Mozart Verweise?

[white skiff]

netherlands?

[terse elbow]

deichkind

[gusty silo]

leck mich am Arsch ist auch ohne Mozart eine Redewendung

[white skiff]

is this netherlands?

[thorn zodiac]

Do commas create only subordinating clauses? I thought it was both but came across the text below which made me wonder.

Ver.di haben die Betreiber der Flughäfen in Frankfurt, München und Hamburg angekündigt**, am Freitag ihren regulären Betrieb einzustellen.**

[gusty silo]

you're missing some word aren't you?

something like "laut Ver.di ...." ?

[thorn zodiac]

I dont believe so just got it from the article I was reading

[gusty silo]

huh. the sentence is faulty like this.

[plain umbra]

Sorry, can you rephrase your question? I don't quite get what you're asking.

[gusty silo]

i suppose the lacking bit isn't strictly relevant for answering your question though

[thorn zodiac]

I was wondering if just using a comma without a conjunction makes a subordinate clause

[plain umbra]

A zu-infinitive clause is a subordinate clause.

[thorn zodiac]

I found the full extract here it is:
Nach der Streikankündigung der Gewerkschaft ver.di haben die Betreiber der Flughäfen in Frankfurt, München und Hamburg angekündigt, am Freitag ihren regulären Betrieb einzustellen.

[plain umbra]

It's not the comma itself that makes it a subordinate clause.

[gusty silo]

the part you've highlighted should be the object of the verb 'ankündigen', right? (question implicitly aimed at basementality or whoever else is reading, not you in particular)

[timid vector]

commas can connect 2 Hauptsätze

[plain umbra]

The actual words in the clause are what determine the type of clause.

[gusty silo]

Aha!
now it's complete, yeah.

[timid vector]

where english would use semi colon ; German just uses comma

[plain umbra]

Or it can also just be with a coordinating conjunction.

[timid vector]

obviously but then you wouldn't use a ; you would.. use a conjunction

[gusty silo]

would you honestly write "After the announcement of a strike by the union Ver.di, the operators(?) of the airports in Frankfurt, Munich and Hamburg have announced**;** to shut down regular activity on friday." ? with a semicolon there?

[plain umbra]

I mean that if there is a coordinating conjunction, you join the two clauses with a comma.

Unless it's und or oder.

[timid vector]

the last one isn't an independent clause so no

wouldn't use any punctuation

just "have announced to..."

also Frankfurt, Munich, and Hamburg

[vernal prairie]

Can I get a list of pronunciation ?

[gusty silo]

of what?

[plain umbra]

Check out the wikipedia German IPA page.

[thorn zodiac]

Could someone tell me what is wrong Satzbau wise below? it was corrected and I have watched some videos but cant figure it out.

Thanks in advance.

"Er ist bald wieder bei der Arbeit, sondern ich weiß nicht, ob er wieder gesund ist."

[opal narwhal]

You must use "aber" here, not "sondern"

They both mean "but", but "sondern" is only used to correct something that was negated in the first part (not... but... => nicht... sondern...)

[vernal prairie]

Thank

[ruby lagoon]

i have a question, why is it "Seine Beine sind nicht verletzt." Why does the verb take the form "sind?"

[verbal girder]

sie sind

[undone verge]

(die Beine is plural 'the legs')

[ruby lagoon]

i see, thank you

[ruby lagoon]

okay, i have a question, when doing the course, how should i choose which vocabulary to keep as flashcards, since it can get overwhelming if i write down every single vocabulary word there.

[long whale]

You can cross-check against the list for A1 words (google sth like "Goethe-Institut A1 Liste Wortschatz/Vokabeln/Wörter")

[snow herald]

I am reading an article and the author is using Vorschung for research. Obviously it isn't an error so why isn't the author using Forschung?

[long whale]

👀 The author's dyslexic and didn't get their spelling checked? Seriously, the word simply doesn't exist.

[snow herald]

So this author is writing at the turn of the 19th and 20th century. Is it possible that maybe some spelling reform was made later? And for some reason when you type Vorschung in Google there are some expressions with Vorschung as a word for research. Dialekt maybe?

[nova egret]

I found a book from early 19th century which uses Vorschung, but to point that out once more, nowadays it's just wrong. And even natives will not know and spend like 10 minutes on google research, even after that i am not really sure if it was ever commonly used in that way.

[fervent kernel]

Die EU-Kommission hat beschlossen, dass ab 2035 nur noch Personenkraftwagen verkauft werden dürfen, die im Betrieb keine Treibhausgase ausstoßen.

Is this "noch" here obligatory? Could I just remove it altogether without botchering the sentence?

[long whale]

Well... it changes the meaning. The "noch" points out that up until then, other vehicles can be sold. 🤷

[fervent kernel]

But isn't that already expressed through the "ab 2035 nur" part?

I'm struggling to understand it.

One website said that "nur noch" can be seen as if it were a single particle.

[long whale]

Mm... I'd say it's akin to the difference you'd get between "From 2035, X will not be sold" vs. "From 2035, X will not be sold anymore", if that helps. 🤔

[fervent kernel]

That makes sense! I think I get it now

Dankeschön, Susana

[lilac hornet]

Wenn man sowohl Bürgerinnen und Bürger im Text ansprechen will, macht es etwas aus, welche Form (also weiblich oder männlich) zuerst genannt wird?

[nova egret]

Die konservative klassische Variante ist das Generische Maskulinum.

Der Bürger wünscht sich mehr Parkanlagen.
Der Bürger steht sinnbildlich für alle Bürger.

Es können auch beide Geschlechter direkt angesprochen werden:

Die Bürger und Bürgerinnen wünschen sich mehr Parkanlagen.

Die modernere alternative ist Genderneutral:

Die Bürger*innen wünschen sich mehr Parkanlagen.
Als Anmerkung: Die letzte Variante ist sprachlich in der Gesellschaft so noch nicht vollumfänglich etabliert.

[gusty silo]

wierum Bürgerinnen und Bürger bei der mittleren Wahl sind, ist meiner Erfahrung nach tendenziell wurscht, falls das relevant ist

[nova egret]

Würde sagen, wenn man die Bürgerinnen und Bürger direkt anspricht, ist es höflicher die Damen zuerst zu nennen. :)

[gusty silo]

ja da geh ich mit

ist gängiger

[lilac hornet]

Danke

Ist ein Begriff wie "das Leben der Bürgerinnen und Bürger" auch daher höflicher/häufiger als.umgekehrt oder achtet man auf die Reihenfolge des genannten Geschlechtes nur beim direkten Ansprechen?

[gusty silo]

es ist... eigentlich automatisch finde ich

also ich mach mir da keine Gedanken, es ist einfach standard, dass man überwiegend [Xinnen und X] sagt, egal was das Wort X jetzt ist

auch sowas wie "Liebe Mitbürgerinnen, liebe Mitbürger"

oder eben auch eigentlich "meine Damen und Herren"

[lilac hornet]

Bin leider noch kein Muttersprachler, noch nicht automatisch für mich :) danke für deine Hilfe.👍

[nova egret]

Je unpersönlicher die Aussage ist, desto wahrscheinlicher wird meiner Meinung nach das generische Maskulinum verwendet.

Das Leben der Bürger in Berlin ist schlechter als das Leben der Bürger in Frankfurt.
Bei so sachlichen bezügen wählt man in der Regel nicht Bürgerinnen und Bürger.

[hardy seal]

Can some one explain to me the difference of these words please?

Sorry for the blurry image

[wise pendant]

They are mostly interchangeable. "warum" is the one that's used most I guess.

[fervent kernel]

Am I expected to remember compound words or do I need to know how to form them on the spot (instead of remembering)?
By compound words I mean words like flugzeug. This might be a stupid question, but I need to know.

[long whale]

Yes, I'm afraid you need to learn those individually. The rules for making them (such as there are) are intricate, resp. pretty much intuition-based.

[terse elbow]

"Wie das Kaninchen vor der Schlange" is this a euphemism?

[wise pendant]

Depends very much on the context, I'm afraid. Judging from this alone it's hard to say

[terse elbow]

pretty sure i understand it after reading through the verse dudes preying on women lol

thanks for the help anyway

[flint nimbus]

i agree! I'm learning as i'm doing it as well, but i absolutely think there's a danger in writing down too much and spending too much time and effort trying to remember things that really aren't the point of the lecture. So i think it's probably best to write things down with a purpose, such as covering the topic of the lecture, covering a topic you have special interest in, etc. I'd also really try to make sure each entry is reasonably easy, and typically only with one new/challenging thing.

One can always do Nicos Weg after having rushed through Harry, or redo Harry. I don't think there's any shortage of material to learn from. Frankly Harry has so much side material compared to the actual teaching material that i switched back to Nicos Weg

[flint nimbus]

Why is

In ganz Deutschland
correct? I would've expected only
In ganzem Deutschland
since i would expect ganzem in this case to be an adjective describing Deutschland, which is neuter, and due to in should be in dative

or is it only ganz specifically when we're talking about idk, things going into deutschland?

[jaunty monolith]

Danke!!

[rugged hazel]

When you have names, they're mostly used without a definite article:

Johannes ist groß.
When you add some form of attribute, e.g. an adjective, however, you do:
Der große Johannes ist groß.
"halb" and "ganz" are exceptions to this: They remain uninflected in front of Names, and no article is used in front of them. It makes no sense to say "half of Johannes", so now we're thinking about land like "Europa" or "Deutschland":
Ganz Deutschland ist schön.
Halb Deutschland ist schön.
For comparison:
Die ganze Welt ist schön.
Der ganzen Welt geht es gut.
Ich lerne diese ganzen Wörter!
You can find more if you search for "unflektiertes Adjektiv"/"uninflected adjectives"

Now here is a guess:
Another way to say it: "Hälfte von ... "

Die Hälfte von Deutschland ist schön.
This would however be ambiguous, as it could be mistaken for:
Das halbe Deutschland.
Der halbe Johannes.
Then Deutschland or Johannes have been separated into two parts, physically!! - A different use of "halb", Same is true for "ganz"

[fervent kernel]

Could you help correcting this auto translation? I would like to memorize this text:

Der Weg zu großen Erfolgen ist lang und holprig. Viele Menschen denken, dass ein Sportler nur gegen seine Gegner kämpfen muss. Ich sehe das nicht so. Ein Sportler muss sich selbst schlagen. Er muss an seine Mitspieler glauben, an sein Team, an die Profis, die ihn trainieren, aber vor allem an sich selbst. Und das gilt für alle Bereiche des Lebens. In vielerlei Hinsicht waren meine größten Gegner auch meine größten Lehrer. Sie haben mir klar gemacht, was ich besser machen kann, was ich besser machen kann. Ich habe erkannt, dass es Grenzen nur gibt, wenn ich an sie glaube. Und ich beschloss, nicht an Grenzen zu glauben, sondern an mich selbst. Weil ich es verdient habe.

[long whale]

I'd replace "schlagen" with "übertreffen". I'd say "besten Lehrer". You got a double "was ich machen kann" in there. The very last sentence may make sense in English; in German, I feel it doesn't -> I'd remove it.

[fervent kernel]

thank you @long whale I was exactly looking for such help

[rugged hazel]

Also might think about replacing one of the commas with "und" when you list who to believe in, just an opinion

[fervent kernel]

thank you

apparently today the translator recommends Mannschaftskameraden instead of Mitspieler

and Und das gilt für alle Bereiche des Lebens. is now Und das gilt für jeden Aspekt des Lebens.

[long whale]

Meh. Stay with "Mitspieler". The other one - both work fine.

[fervent kernel]

In vielerlei Hinsicht waren meine größten Gegner auch meine größten Lehrer. Weil Sie haben mir gezeigt, was ich noch verbessern kann, was mich noch besser macht.

[long whale]

Why do you keep fiddling with it? It's now wrong, grammar-wise.

[fervent kernel]

in the original text there is a because but I am not sure if you would leave it out in natural german

[long whale]

You cannot just randomly throw in "weil" - the word order would have to be changed accordingly.

[fervent kernel]

sorry
this would be the question:

In vielerlei Hinsicht waren meine größten Gegner auch meine größten Lehrer. Denn sie haben mir gezeigt, was ich noch verbessern kann, was mich noch besser macht.

would you make the second sentence explanatory or just leave it as it was before

[long whale]

What is the question? (Also, I see you've chosen to ignore at least one of my suggestions. slightly miffed)

I would just leave it the way it was.

[fervent kernel]

sorry I did not mean to, what is being ignored?

I removed the random weil

anyway I will leave it like as it was before I appreciate your help thank you

[long whale]

besten größten Lehrer. ("er ist/war ein großer Lehrer" is something you might say about Socrates, perhaps. It doesn't just mean "a great teacher")

[urban oxide]

auf oder an?

[long whale]

Interesting question. I'd say both "auf" and "an" work.

[urban oxide]

I see

maybe I should go with "auf" because the "dem" is separated

thanks

[urban oxide]

which preposition will fit here? (my initial guess was "in")

and what is the sentence trying to say

erledigen is to settle something/take care of some matters, right?

[long whale]

Think: before

[urban oxide]

zu?

"What are the things that you must take care of for a trip?"

[long whale]

No, not for, before

At any rate, that would be "für" zu, which requires Akkusativ.

[urban oxide]

I see

so "bevor?"

[long whale]

bevor einer Reise doesn't work, but you're going in the right direction. Perhaps just look up "before" in a dictionary?

[urban oxide]

ohh

vor

I see

thank you for the help!

[flint nimbus]

wow ok i see, thank you. That's a big can of worms!

[thorn zodiac]

I was recently corrected and was made aware that I make Satzbau mistakes and was wondering if someone could pin point in my message below what they are specifically (and other grammar too if there is).

"Ja aber ich muss erst trainieren und Deutsch lernen. Die Wochenende würde besser für mich. Warst du derjenige, wer mich angepingt hat, weil ich nicht die Nachricht finden konnte. (Habe ich etwas Satzbaufehler? Ein Mensch, wer korrigiert mich gesagt hat, dass ich viel mache.)"

[opal narwhal]

I would correct this: Am Wochenende wäre es für mich besser. / ... derjenige, der mich... / ... weil ich die Nachricht nicht finden konnte. / Habe ich (ein paar) Satzbaufehler? / ..., der mich korrigiert, hat mir gesagt...

[flint nimbus]

Die Hauptstadt von Slowakei heißt Bratislava.
this is good, right?

[opal narwhal]

von der Slowakei (or simply "der Slowakei" = Genitiv)

Most countries have no article, but a few have one (die Schweiz, die Türkei, die Slowakei...)

[flint nimbus]

ohh i see what you mean, i was confused

yeah i'm gonna have to think about how i will memorize this, usually i just memorize the article, but that the article is part of the name is a new curve ball