questions-2

[flint nimbus]

i notice in a lot of places in Nicos Weg they use the word im (contraction of in and dem), but i don't understand why they use the dative form at that place.

For example:

Hallo, du bist auch im Duetschkurs, oder? (btw, can i remove the oder? It looks like a normal sentence rather than a question in its structure without it)

Why is Duetschkurs dative here? At another place it was simply given

Im Zentrum
for "in the centrum". I don't understand why that's dative either

[long whale]

Some prepositions always require Akkusativ (like gegen), some always require Dativ (like mit and zu), and some require either Akk or Dativ, depending on whether there is a goal-oriented movement (Akkusativ: Ich gehe in den Keller - I'm going [in]to the cellar/basement) or whether there is not (Dativ: Ich bin im Keller - I'm in the cellar/basement) Does that make it clearer? I'll also send you a handy diagramm...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/221709483284496394/339907286048964619/eDSIrIY.png

The orange ones are the tricky ones. You can read up on the topic by looking up Wechselpräpositionen, resp. two-way prepositions.

[woven wind]

Are the following translations good?

[long whale]

1st: that's it -> Well done OR Good job

2nd is fine

[woven wind]

Very good 🎁

Any explanation to better distinguish between these nouns?
Ahm actually there is Bevölkerung too but it's easier to understand; population.

[long whale]

Have you tried DWDS? Anything there you don't understand?

[undone verge]

Einwohner is someone living in a place/region.
Bewohner is very similar. According to the internet an Einwohner is a 'menschlicher' Bewohner...however I think that there's more than just that difference. For example, the 'Bewohner' of a house.
Anwohner is more like living around/near something (don't hear it that often tbh)

[woven wind]

Yes, i have. It's good but i feel some of them are used interchangeably .. so confusing.

[woven wind]

Thanks. That's a good explanation.

[long whale]

Well... it's just that we normally say "Paris/London/Teheran hat X Einwohner" (even though there's no real reason not to say "Bewohner"), I guess.

[woven wind]

Ahm i think:
Bevölkerung= population
Einwohner= citizen
Bewohnwer= household (people)
Anwohnwr=like hm, the co-Bewohner/Einwohner ..

That's what i had in my mind

[woven wind]

Aha i see.

[long whale]

Ehh - Einwohner = inhabitants (citizens = Bürger) (typos in Bewohner and Anwohner). Anwohner are the people living in one particular street, or around a certain place/address. Like, if there's a bomb scare, or a gas leak, "die Anwohner wurden evakuiert", or if there's a very noisy bar, "die Anwohner beschweren sich über den Lärm"

If you wanted to use "Bewohner" instead, you'd have to say "die Bewohner der umliegenden/angrenzenden Häuser" (the people living in the houses next [to the one concerned])

[woven wind]

I seee noww. Okk.

[flint nimbus]

i'll look more into it! It's very tempting to want to find a principle that can be expanded to all prepositions, but it looks like people much more knowledgeable than i aren't able to do it

[gusty silo]

this (different prepositions using different cases, and some having multiple uses even) is a feature, not a bug :p

[half falcon]

“Als Gregor Samsa eines Morgens aus unruhigen Träumen erwachte”

why is it written "eines Morgens" and not "ein Morgen"? Isn't Morgen masculine?

[charred harbor]

It is masculine, yeah

It’s just the genitive form

It’s same how you say “eines Tages” for “one day”
It’s just a difference between English and German

[nimble viper]

There is also eines Nachts if you want to be confused further

Same application

[frank nest]

which app is it

[woven wind]

"entgegen aller Befürchtungen erfreuen sich Tageszeitungen auch bei Heranwachsenden nach wie vor großer Beliebtheit" ---> can we use "genießen" as well? like : "entgegen aller Befürchtungen genießen Tageszeitungen auch bei Heranwachsenden nach wie vor großer Beliebtheit"

[eager garden]

Why a lot of times Du, Dir, Deine are written with Kapital? Is there a rule for that?

[undone verge]

it is just a way of making it slightly more formal, I believe. It is not wrong, but you don't have to worry about it

[eager garden]

Thank you!

[sharp ravine]

hab ich das richtig geschrieben?

[fervent kernel]

ohne "zu"

[fervent kernel]

*das Wort Gottes, dann ist es korrekt.

[sharp ravine]

(…) aber natürlich auch über das Wort Gottes kurz nachdenken

[long whale]

@sharp ravine You used können, which is followed by an infinitive without "zu" -> both infinitives must be without "zu".

[fervent kernel]

Oh yes

Indeed, my bad

[long whale]

It's "sich einer Sache (Genitiv) erfreuen", but "etwas (Akk) genießen" -> you need to correct your sentence accordingly. Otherwise, yes, it works.

[sharp ravine]

(…) wir können endlich etwas Ruhe bekommen

[long whale]

wir - yes.

[sharp ravine]

Danke euch beiden!!!! @fervent kernel @long whale

[warm kestrel]

Schlechte Konstruktion "Zu"
Ich verstehe es überhaubt nicht

[nimble viper]

Die meisten Leute haben sich einfach an sie mit der Zeit gewöhnt - Du wirst die Idee dahinter früher oder später begreifen können

[undone verge]

what's the question?

an sie -> daran?

or are they getting used to a person/group of people?

word order in the first sentence is also a bit wonky for me, but as always could be taste thing

[long whale]

I think it was in answer to the statement about the difficulties of using "zu" (post right above Alp's). ;)

[nimble viper]

yeah I was considering mit der Zeit being before the preposition but , idk

[long whale]

Yup, that would have been correct (sounds rather off to me the way it is).

[nimble viper]

Thanks

[long whale]

And yes, "daran" an sie

[nimble viper]

an sie (die zu-Konstruktion) 😂

Nahm ich an

[long whale]

I know, I know. But an + pronoun -> da[r] + preposition 😄

Pronoun for things that is.

[nimble viper]

Not strictly is it?

Dachte Geschmackssache

[long whale]

Not quite, no. 🤔 I mean, there are sentences where I think "Oh, okay, doesn't sound that bad with preposition + pronoun", but in something like "Die Katze liegt auf dem Bett, der Hund liegt darunter", "unter ihm" would sound downright crazy. 🤷

[nimble viper]

lol

Okay, I will, avoid adding flavour in these regards to what I say

Many new discoveries today

I really thought you could just choose as you wished lol

apart from with relative clauses etc

[long whale]

I think... I think when we mean "in/on/under this particular X", preposition + demonstrative pronoun sounds fine, or even preferable. As in "Auf dem Tisch stehen drei Kästchen. Eines davon ist rot. In dem ist mein Schmuck." But this is a case where I'd emphazise "dem" in speaking (which you know doesn't usually happen). If I chose to say "darin", I'd emphasize the "da-" part.

[harsh stirrup]

@undone vergewhat's your pace for 5km btw

[undone verge]

5km? It's been a really long time since I raced 5km

@harsh stirrup I don't really focus on running that distance/fast anymore. Back in the day I could race a 5k in 18-19 Minutes

on a cross country course 🤷

on a track or road obviously faster

[harsh stirrup]

that's insane damn

[undone verge]

I wouldn't be able to do that today unless I completely altered my training for at least a year I guess lol

[harsh stirrup]

oh you were focusing on those short races for a longer period of time once?

[long whale]

#questions-2 ...

[harsh stirrup]

mb i forgot

[flint nimbus]

quick question i have written down "Sie ist im Computerkurs" as translating to "She is in a computer course". Is the "a" implied, or have i accidentally added slightly changed the sentence, so that it should rather read "She is in the computercourse"?

Also bonus quick question: Would "Sie ist in einem Computerkurs" work/be a better?

[long whale]

If you wanted to say "Sie is in a computer course", then yes, "in einem" would work better. "im" = in + dem (-> the other person knows which computer course you mean)

[flint nimbus]

cool, thanks! Btw it's been super interesting learning about accusative/dative mixed prepositions! It's funny how it solves a lot of the ambiguity that is common in prepositions through broad grammar rules!

[long whale]

thinking you must be the first person to react enthusiastically to the topic of Wechselpräpositionen

[flint nimbus]

really? I find that hard to believe! 😄 i found a really exciting blog post about it that might've helped a bit, bit in general i do like grammar

[long whale]

Mm. Since I first realized we've got such a thing, I've been feeling faintly apologetic about them. Most learners tend to react with "Oh god, no! Yet another thing I will have to think about while trying to get a sentence right. 👀"

[flint nimbus]

you should introduce it as this amazingly cool thing! I like that it resolves things like "Ich schreibe auf dem Tisch" and "Ich screibe auf den Tisch" with just a quick grammar switch, for example. Really cool. English has to solve it with adding words for clarification or just rest with the ambiguity

with "Yara ist nicht Nicos Tante", the nicht could just as easily have gone in the end of the sentence, right?

[long whale]

Tanke? (colloquial for "gas station") Tante? aunt? - and no, it could not.

[flint nimbus]

and with "Nico hat Yaras Adresse nicht" and "Nico hat Yaras Nummer nicht", could the nicht have come after the hat?

yes, sorry, Tante

[long whale]

Only if you were trying to say something like "It's not Yara's address/number Nico has [but Susana's]"

[flint nimbus]

this makes sense! Let me think a bit about why the first one can't be nicht in the end 🤔

[long whale]

Just try to remember if you're using to be/sein, it works just like in English: X is not Y = X ist nicht Y, okay?

[reef moss]

As a general rule of thumb, nicht being place at the end will negate the conjugated verb. However…there are many, many instances where nicht standing next to the verb could negate either the verb or the nominal phrase after it

I shall not show any to minimize confusion

[flint nimbus]

is this the same for other verbs that take nominatives like heißen, bleiben, and werden?

[long whale]

I guess so... Er heißt nicht Susana. Er bleibt nicht gesund. Er wird nicht Arzt.

[flint nimbus]

cool! I'll think some more about this, but somehow it kind of makes sense. Soon i want to start asking these questions here in german btw!

[versed wasp]

Why waren and not war?? 🤔

Sie here means (she), right?

[spiral vapor]

ihren Eltern

[versed wasp]

What's the difference between her parents and their parents??

[spiral vapor]

in this case, we're using Dative

sie (she) -> ihrer
sie (they) -> ihren

[spiral vapor]

oh wait

right, I marked the wrong one

Then I guess the exercise is ambiguous

[long whale]

If there is no context and no indication of who/what "sie" refers to - yes, it's ambiguous.

[versed wasp]

Why so??

[long whale]

Who is he? vs. What does he do? (sort of) Frankly, I'm not totally happy with this. I'd say "Was ist Klaus Henkel von Beruf?" or "Was macht Klaus Henkel beruflich?"

[calm kernel]

So emotional war die Situation noch selten.
The situation has rarely been that emotional.

Könnte jemand mir die Benutzung von ´´so´´ erzählen hier?

Vielleicht einige Beispielsätze?

[fervent kernel]

die blumen sind so schön

[undone verge]

'So' verhält sich hier genau wie im Englischen. Sprichst du Englisch?

[calm kernel]

yep

[calm kernel]

how is it the same?

[undone verge]

'That's so dumb!' -> Das ist so blöd.
'I've never been so surprised' -> So überrascht war ich noch nie!

it intensifies something.

[calm kernel]

English is not my native but I thought we use that as in "I've never been that surprised!"

[undone verge]

to my ears both sound normal

[calm kernel]

i mean i've never seen that before but it might be a me problem

and btw

[calm kernel]

why do you use "noch" hier?

also is was used in my example too

[undone verge]

'noch nie' <- never before

[undone verge]

both work, but I will give one more example where 'that' wouldn't work but 'so' would
'I was so angry I could have cried!' -> 'Ich war so wütend, dass ich hätte weinen können!'

[calm kernel]

yea but

i think this is not the version of "so" i'm talking about

it is the "so" that is used for past (?)

[undone verge]

no, they are the same

the 'so' is with the adjective

'so emotional' (so emotional)
'so dumb' (so blöd)
'so mad' (so wütend) etc

[calm kernel]

i mean we can't replace "that" with "so" here, right?

it sounds bad to me

but again i'm no native

[undone verge]

you could replace 'that' with so there

The situation has rarely been so emotional.

[calm kernel]

hmm

i see ty

[calm kernel]

also could you explain "noch" here?

[undone verge]

unfortunately not really. I can intuit the meaning (similar to 'nur selten') but not really explain it

[calm kernel]

yea that's okay thank you!

@undone verge since i see that you at level c, could i ask how do you understand those partikels? (i'm asking so maybe one day i get to your level 💀 )

[spiral vapor]

https://www.duden.de/rechtschreibung/noch_schon_mal_doch

Duden describes the Modalpartikels pretty well, however in German

[spiral vapor]

Tbh, since they're hardly translatable, it's tougher to explain and understand them, the best way is to simply keep encountering them in different contexts so you get a "feel" for how the should be used.

[calm kernel]

So I really need to expose myself to German... I was thinking to create a new google account where I set my location to Germany and only watch German content. I think I need to fulfil that now

Danke, dass du den Tipp gabst.

diesen*

[spiral vapor]

In early stages, I'd recommend to focus on basics such as grammar and vocabulary. When it comes to input it might be a bit counterproductive and discouraging to watch something too advanced, it's still worth it to watch content but one that is more comprehensible and on your level.

[calm kernel]

I think that would be helpful for my pronunciation which I`m really not comfortable with.

[undone verge]

I agree with Kugwagen insofar as I think putting a lot of effort into 'learning' modal particles is a fruitless venture and a waste of time. You will learn to interpret them by seeing/hearing them a lot, and you don't need to use them yourself. If/when you do, it should basically be copying the exact phrases you've heard before.

Using modal particles wrong makes a sentence sound much worse and less natural than just using it without

[calm kernel]

So I want to create one because of that rather than learning grammar

[spiral vapor]

Listening comprehension is really important for better pronunciation!

[undone verge]

the rest sounds like a great idea. I think intaking as much german from any level early on will help you, even if you don't notice it for awhile yet. Your brain will start being able to pick words apart more quickly and your pronunciation and speaking rhythm will improve

[calm kernel]

I hope so. Thank you all for your tips and helps.

[wise ravine]

heimisch vs einhemisch?

[rugged hazel]

You're einheimisch where you live (your place of residence), but you can feel heimisch wherever you want, e.g. a place that reminds you of home; or a generally a place that makes you feel good and welcomed - like at home

[rugged hazel]

This is weird btw, I would expect "nur" and not "noch" in that way

So emotional war die Situation nur selten.
= Die Situation war nur selten so emotional.
Or "erst":
Die Situation war erst selten so emotional.
Or nothing at all:
Die Situation war selten so emotional.
"noch selten" is also more common part of "nur noch selten":
Ich lese nur noch selten ein Buch.
Which expresses that something used to be the case, but is rare today.. Which makes a contrast towards the past, while
Ich lese nur selten ein Buch.
Makes no statement about how it used to be..
Anyways, I think in your example "noch" is not a modal particle but just a boring adverb. It adds time information to negation words, normally, like "noch nicht", so I'm confused whether it is even correct in this way, meaning-wise, or should be replaced or left out

On a second thought, it does get combined with other adverbs of frequency like "immer" in "noch immer" / "immer noch". But it sounds odd. "Noch oft", "Noch immer", etc, they are certainly correct but... weird.. anyone know more?

[hardy zinc]

Ich schreibe einen Lebenslauf fuer Visum und habe viele Fragen

1. Wie schreibe ich "Bachelor of Science" und "BSc"?

2. Wie schreibt man "major" (wie auf English, Hauptfach)?

3. Muss ich Namen wie "Bachelor of Science in Applied Mathematics and Informatics" uebersetzen?

[long whale]

Ehh - no, not weird, not uncommon. The situation has rarely been that/so emotional before/until now. ;)

I mean, English basically expresses the fact we're looking at the history of the thing by using present perfect, doesn't it? Which is why "noch" was dropped from the original translation. German requires "noch" to emphasize it.

[calm kernel]

ty for explanation but i think i just need more time to for noch/schon/erst/ja...

[flint nimbus]

Wähl die fehlenden Verben aus.
What's the aus doing there??

[long whale]

It's the prefix for the separable verb "auswählen".

[flint nimbus]

ok i see!

could i get some help with some basic sentences in german, so that i can use them to ask question in german here? Some sentences like "How do I say X in german" "What does Y mean" "Why is the word X here" "could i say this instead" "Does X and Y mean the same thing" "What is the difference between X and Y"?

i can't find them, as weird as that might be, in the resources i've been using

[long whale]

Try deepl.com - give it whole sentences, that's the way it works best. ;)

[rugged hazel]

Hmm okay

[rugged hazel]

Good point

[earnest yarrow]

Personally i would use the 3rd one.

[fervent kernel]

Hello everyone,I'm new here but I was wondering if any of yall know a (cheaper) german online course.Btw I already have an A2 level certificate.

[rare jetty]

Have you seen this?

faq nicos

[stoic mauve]

Nicos

Nicos Weg is a free online program aimed at helping people learn German. It includes video, audio, text, grammar explanations, notes, vocabulary, and exercises. It also includes very useful cultural and bureaucratic information, such as how to open a bank account, while teaching you the relevant grammar and vocabulary.

It’s fairly popular and well-recommended, but keep in mind that you can’t learn a language with only one resource, even if it’s a good one!

You can find the courses here: https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview/

You can also see various other courses for learners by dw.com here: https://www.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-2469/

[fervent kernel]

Thanks a lot

[versed wasp]

Wegen des Rücklichts des vor mir fahrenden Autos habe ich das Kind, das die Straße überquerte, nicht gesehen.
ist das gut?

Die Kinder warfen Steine auf meine Rückscheibe, deshalb brach sie ein.

[prisma vapor]

Sehr gut

[thorn zodiac]

What is this grammar topic called where a preposition gets used before an article in a subordinate clause? I want to know more about it.

Example: Seit dem Tauchunfall im letzen Jahr, bei dem ein junger Tourist aus England ums Leben gekommen war.

[near folio]

Das heißt "Relativpronomen" oder "Relativsatz". Siehe hier: https://www.dartmouth.edu/~deutsch/Grammatik/WordOrder/relatives.html

[granite spade]

Is there a term for those genitive phrases which describe ways of doing something? - e.g. Er geht beschwingten Schrittes zur Arbeit

Maybe adverbial genitive, or something

[thorn zodiac]

Danke Herr Pferd 🫡

[nova sparrow]

Die Kinder warfen Steine auf meine Heckscheibe deshalb (zer)brach sie / deshalb sprang sie.

[flint nimbus]

It is "Ich mag sie nicht fragen", but i would expect sie to be in dative (ihr), because with regards to the question i think it should be (ich frage ihr das), right? Does the base form verb at the end never have impact on the cases?

[timid vector]

fragen simply doesn't take dative

Er fragt mich or w/e else you want to say

but no, using modal verbs won't change the case required by the "action" verb

[gusty silo]

precisely this ^
you can get fragen with a dative technically, but then only as a reflexive verb (ich frage mich = i ask myself) (< i said some rubbish)
otherwise, the person asked is in the accusative. one difference from english that you might note, is that in german i think we only very rarely use a simple accusative object for the question that we are posing, if it isn't a demonstrative pronoun or determiner like 'das', 'dies' or '(et)was' or a full clause on its own, it's generally introduced by the preposition 'nach' which disambiguates things

[timid vector]

ich frage mich is still accusative

[gusty silo]

hm, certified "it's two o'clock" moment from me

indeed it is

at any rate, atleast the point about german introducing the thing being asked about more often with a preposition then english does holds, i think

[flint nimbus]

hmm, so with fragen one always puts in extra prepositions or something? Because to me it would fit the pattern of other verbs that take dative and accusative together, to make constructions with dative and accusative with fragen

i found someone online saying the weirdness is because of history: fragen used to take accusative and genetive, but the genetive turned into accusative. Idk about the history, but i suppose stuff like that makes sense. Irregular weirdness is part of learning a language

[gusty silo]

yeah i can imagine why you'd think that, it would seem to make enough sense, but it happens to take accusatives for both its types of object (person asked and thing asked about) instead.
it's not always with nach, but you will in most cases see the topic of the question introduced with "nach" if it's not a word like "das", "dies,","etwas" (ich frage ihn das= i'll ask him that; sie möchte dich etwas fragen=she wants to ask you something) or a new clause in the sentence (including a quote). this may not be a hard rule, but it's the strong tendency definitely, as far as i can see.

the preposition itself does, i guess, require the dative. but that is a matter of the preposition then, nothing to do with the verb

[flint nimbus]

nach is one of many words i definitively do not have a good grasp on yet 😄 i guess i'll let the matter rest until the future, i've taken on too many grammar/advanced side projects in the learning already

[gusty silo]

prepositions are almost always a many-to-many correspondence in language learning 🥴

[flint nimbus]

learning it that way makes no sense to me tbqh

one needs to just learn the preposition itself as its own thing and its own logic, not attempt to map it onto 5 different words in another language

comparisons with other languages can potentially be helpful with that task though (and sometimes you get lucky)

[gusty silo]

yeah 💯

[flint nimbus]

i'm swedish, which is closer to german than english is, so i think there are some things like that, that are a bit more directly translatable, but still rare to get to do it perfectly

[gusty silo]

though i can understand learners hoping for general meanings atleast (even if they can't be boiled down to one word, then atleast a concept that can be explained to them), but often it's just a matter of a few different combinations of ideas belonging to a preposition, or some particular formulations that are typically expressed some way but that being the entirety of the use of that word

[flint nimbus]

often there is a core sense of the preposition and a bunch of ways in which it is loosely used metaphorically. But for the very common ones, sometimes it's just a semi-random mess based on a history of similar words that didn't mean the same thing blending together or whatever other mess history has brought us

[gusty silo]

yeah same. to the extent that i read something in swedish, it often doesn't match directly, but it helps if i don't expect an equivalence but instead just recognise a particular preposition in the context i'm seeing it in right now and am just flexible with how i think about it and go "well it'll be an idiomatic combination in swedish then" lol

[flint nimbus]

for example i read yourdailygerman's post on schon, on how it has a history of having a sense of completion (related to schön, which relates to appreciation, etc), and in general has a sense of "surprisingly soon/few" which seems to be a good general impression of the word at least

[gusty silo]

ah yeah that seems like a good way to look at it

[wicked pumice]

Was bedeutet "mal" im de Phrasen "Sag mal" oder "Lass mich mal sehen"?

[gusty silo]

asking the tough questions

[wicked pumice]

oder "Schau mal" zum beispiel

[gusty silo]

literally it's "once" but here it's used as a so called modal particle, where a literal meaning is very difficult to ascertain

it sort of, hm, deemphasises the action in a way?

[wicked pumice]

Danke, bis du ein Muttersprachler?

[gusty silo]

ja

[wicked pumice]

gerne

[hard plaza]

"mal" in these contexts is a flavor word, similar to "doch". "sag mal" and "schau mal" are basically "say" and "look here" that's less aggressive than simply "sag" or "schau"

[gusty silo]

in these cases i'd say it's purpose is to make it seem like doing the thing is very casual ? like it's not a big deal?

it's embuing the sentence with a certain tone rather then declaring anything in particular though, the change in meaning is definitely felt but subtle and can depend on the situation

[wicked pumice]

Ist das richtig, "Okay, lass mich mal den Leuten anschreiben"

[gusty silo]

yeah i can totally imagine a situation where that fits
only correction is unrelated to the mal: either den Leuten schreiben or die Leute anschreiben

[wicked pumice]

ah, genre, viele dank!

[gusty silo]

genre?

did you mean gerne or the french for (grammatical) gender here? either is not quite appropriate :p

[wicked pumice]

entschuligung, toll, ich verstehe

[wicked pumice]

darf ich noch eine Frage?

[gusty silo]

immer :)

[wicked pumice]

im "Schau dir das mal an" was bedeutet "an" manchmal "Schau dir das mal"?

[gusty silo]

Das ganze ist dann das trennbare Verb anschauen statt nur schauen, der an-Präfix kommt dann eben ans Ende. Ist also keine Präposition im eigentlichen Sinne.
Warum man anschauen statt einfach schauen sagt, hat seinen Grund in der Grammatik

[wicked pumice]

aber sag man manchmal "Schau" ohne "an" auch, nie?

[gusty silo]

schauen wird nämlich nur selten mit einem Objekt ohne Präposition verwendet, anschauen aber ganz oft

ja ja Schau! geht

„Schau!“ hat kein Objekt, „Schau dir das an!“ aber schon

[wicked pumice]

ah, klasse, ich verstehe

Ja, danke!

[gusty silo]

❌„Schau das“, mit 'das' als Objekt zu schauen ohne Präposition, klingt sehr sehr altmodisch, als ob es aus der Bibel käme

[wicked pumice]

mit Objekten, man muss "an" benutzen, richtig?

viele dank!!

[gusty silo]

man kann es auch anders formulieren, aber an- als Präfix zum Verb sagt man sehr oft

[wicked pumice]

ah, ach so

[gusty silo]

du könntest sowohl „Ich schaue die Wand an.“(>Verb ist anschauen, Objekt Wand ohne Präposition) sagen, als auch „Ich schaue auf die Wand.“(>Verb schauen, Objekt Wand mit der Präposition auf)

[wicked pumice]

sehr klar, danke

[gusty silo]

:D

[hearty swift]

Hello! I'm writing a brief to a film company -- how does it read?

Sehr geehrte Damen und Herren,

ich schreibe Ihnen über den Dokumentarfilm Kinshasa Symphony. Den Film möchte ich anschauen, aber ich habe bemerkt, dass er nur als DVD gekauft werden kann. Meine Familie hat leider keinen DVD-Player mehr, und Computer sind jetzt ohne Laufwerke zusammengebaut werden, also ich [wollte] Sie anfragen wollte: Haben Sie Pläne in der Zukunft den digitalisierten Film [zu] veröffentlichen? Er scheint, ein wunderbares Werk zu sein, und wenn Sie ihn zugänglicher machten, ich bin sicher, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der Ihre Bemühung anerkennen würde. :)

Vielen Dank fürs Lesen und ich hoffe, von Ihnen bald eine Antwort zu erhalten!

Mit freundlichen Grüßen
[Name]

[hard plaza]

"ich Sie fragen wollte" (drop the "an" prefix) and "den digitalisierten Film zu veröffentlichen"

hmm. also, let me double check the word order after "also"

[hearty swift]

Oh, d'oh, don't know how I missed the "zu," thank you

[hard plaza]

it should be "also ich wollte Sie fragen". "also" does not change verb placement

i am also not sure on your comma usage, but i am not confident critiquing that so maybe someone else can look at that

[hearty swift]

Yeah, commas are always a bit dodgy for me lol
Thanks for the other corrections!

[hard plaza]

you're welcome!

[woven wind]

do we use Datei + schreiben ? like Datei schreiben ??

[whole portal]

No

Usually you just use speichern or sth but you can use schreiben in combination with in

[earnest arch]

An external dvd player costs less than 20€ btw if you really want to watch it. Edit: nvm you can buy it on Itunes.

[nimble viper]

No, "also" does change word placement

When used in the example. If it is a filler word (eg. "so..... (anyhow...)" it doesn't, but it is in the same category of words like deshalb and deswegen here.

[nimble viper]

See my previous message (just above) and also be wary of using the pure K2 form of machen (machten)... unless your teacher is aware that you are 1. very familiar with this writing and 2. that someone recommended you use it (I find it hard to believe you placed this K2 intentionally on your own).

Other than these two things, you need to phrase this section so: "... und wenn Sie ihn zugänglicher machten, bin ich [ich and bin just swapped around here] sicher, dass ich nicht der Einzige wäre, der Ihre Bemühung anerkennen würde. :)"

[redacted]***

It sounds like you are the only one who has heard of the film, while we know that it surely has been seen by others before. So you might use wiederentdecken instead of anerkennen. Anerkennen is high praise in any case for something you have not seen.

[undone verge]

idk if anyone mentioned this already, but the sentence:
und Computer sind jetzt ohne Laufwerke zusammengebaut werden
is wrong

[undone verge]

The swapping between K2 and present tense is somewhat odd and hence you could rather say "und wenn Sie ihn zugänglicher machen würden, wäre ich auf jeden Fall nicht der Einzige, der Ihre Bemühung anerkennt."
^I am confused by this recommendation. It introduces the very awkward switching between K2 and present that it is supposed to address. It sounds much better with everything in K2, as is normal in German

[brave frost]

Coputer werden jetzt ohne laufwerk zusammen gebaut

[nimble viper]

It only switches at the end which I thought should work best whereas originally there was: ...machten, bin ich sicher, dass ich ,... wäre... etc. back and forth

I felt like the conjunctive issued by wäre is enough to not have "anerkennen würde" at the end and so everything in some weird way stays in K2

[undone verge]

no, the 'bin ich mir sicher' sounds normal, since it is removed from the hypotheticals. However switching the 'anerkannt' to present from K2 makes it pretty weird.

at least to my ears/eyes

[nimble viper]

Okay, my bad

Thanks

[woven wind]

"**individuelle **Beitragshöhe bemessen nach Handymodell und Alter" --> which meaning of individuell does fit here? exklusiv ? customized ? ..

[long whale]

individual/customized

[woven wind]

if want to adress the name of a company directly in Email without using "sehr geehrte Damen und Herren", how could i formulate this?

[long whale]

Not possible. Only 2 choices: You know the name of the person you're writing to, or you use the above.

[woven wind]

aha ok, i get it

"Vor einem Jahr habe ich ein neues Handy angeschafft und zwar bis heute es zweimal zufällig auf den Boden fallen lassen, aber Nichts ist passiert ." -- > is it okay using zwar .. aber here? or better to use obwohl?

[long whale]

... und es zwar... It's okay, yes.

nichts

[woven wind]

🙏

[flint nimbus]

is this a well-formed sentence?

Sind diese Wörter in die richtige Reihenfolge?
(and insert words in a sentence)

[long whale]

No, you have to use Dativ for "the right order". ;

[flint nimbus]

i think the text in Nicos Weg (i'm not sure i can go back to it unfortunately) said
"Bring die Wörten in die richtige Reihenfolge."
Is there a difference that would make that not be the case there?

[long whale]

Yes. Didn't we talk about 2-way prepositions the other day?

[flint nimbus]

yes

i'm aware of the general principle, but i can't see how it applies here

the sentence i gave and the sentence from Nicos Weg seem very similar to me

[long whale]

bringen = action: where to? -> Akkusativ.

vs. Are they in the right order? Nothing is moving/being moved anywhere here -> Dativ.

@flint nimbus

[flint nimbus]

right so either we're talking about an order as is, in which the words potentially are (dative), or we are talking about moving the words so that the get into the order (accusative)

i suppose that makes sense

[long whale]

Yes, exactly. 💐

[flint nimbus]

it's a bit different from being in or movement to inside physical areas, because a word order is more abstract

[long whale]

Yes, you're right.

[flint nimbus]

ok, so:

Sind diese Wörter in der richtige Reihenfolge?
does this work then? I haven't worked with these double descriptors of nouns and figured out what the hell is going on grammar wise with them

[long whale]

The thing is, with "sein", it's always "Where [is it]?", because "Where to?" simply doesn't work, does it?

[flint nimbus]

sure

makes sense

[long whale]

Yes, exactly. 💐

[long whale]

Oh, oops! Overlooked the missing adjective ending. Have you got a table for that?

[flint nimbus]

it's more that i haven't worked with that part of the grammar almost at all

[long whale]

Here's one:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f1/a8/5e/f1a85ee01c1235d7f3999e62b24ff30b.png

[flint nimbus]

i'd need further explanation what this is a table of i think

[long whale]

Mm... adjectives get declined when in front of a noun. So, you get a masc., fem. and a neuter example word, and it shows you the adjective endings with the colours (rot, gelb, grün - and weiß for the plural). As you can see, in some cases, the ending changes depending on whether there's a def. article, an indef. article or no article at all. I suggest you copy this or print it out, and refer to it whenever you need it. It's not all that difficult - you can imagine the def. article ending "jumping" onto the adjective for something like das grüne Hemd vs. ein grünes Hemd.

@flint nimbus

[flint nimbus]

i know how to conjugate ein, der, mein, kein, and such. I just don't know how to apply the knowledge to when there are multiple such descriptors of nouns at the same time. Does one simply have to learn whether the adjective conjugates like der or ein, or does it change depending on something else as well?

[long whale]

I'm not sure I understand your question...? Imagine the adjective endings as additional case/gender markers. If they always had the "default" ending -e, you wouldn't know whether Rock and Hemd are masculine or neuter. As it is, the adjective ending shows it.

[flint nimbus]

der is one descriptor, for example groß is another. I know how to say for example das Haus. But i don't know what to do with "das groß Haus", that is, when there are two of them. Does it matter that there are two? How do i know how the adjectives conjugate?

[long whale]

If the big house is in Nominativ, you check the table for neuter Nominativ and it shows you "das grüne Hemd" -> das große Haus

Since the possessives work like the indef. article, if you want to sa a big house, you look at neuter Nominativ with the indef. article -> ein grünes Hemd -> ein großes Haus

(And if it happens to be a big old house, the 2nd adjective will get the same ending: ein großes altes Haus)

[flint nimbus]

so the adjective conjugates differently based on whether it's definitive article or indefinitively article in front of it

are the adjective conjugations a completely new set of things to remember, then?

or, rather perhaps, two new sets of things (the def version and indef version)

[long whale]

3 - counting the "no article at all" version. - Well, I guess they are a new thing to remember, yes.

You can either check the internet - as far as I can see, there are about a dozen different "easy way/s to remember German adjective declension". There's also a faq for it in botchannel. Or, you can try to come up with one of your own. 🧁

[fervent kernel]

Hallo alle. Ich frage mich, ob ich "soll sein" sagen kann. Das ist die direkte Übersetzung aus Englisch. "Should be"

Oder ist es mehr richtig, "soll so sein" zu sagen

[long whale]

You can say it, but it means "That's the way it's supposed to be"

mehr richtig richtiger (comparative using "mehr" doesn't work in German)

[fervent kernel]

Danke schön. But how can I translate "should be" in this example?

• Is there enough bread at home?
• Should be

[whole portal]

Sollte

[fervent kernel]

Why past tense? 🤔

[whole portal]

no

[long whale]

It isn't. It's Konjunktiv II

[whole portal]

Konjunktiv II

[fervent kernel]

Oh okay. The logic is kind of "imagining" it

[whole portal]

Yeah basically

If it wasn't, something would be wrong I guess

[flint nimbus]

ok, let me see if i can formulate what seems to be going on with determiners of nouns in a way i can't find anywhere then:

1. In general, if there is at least one determiner (ein forms or der forms) or adjective, there should always be exactly one determiner/adjective that uses the strong declension.
2. The determiner is what will conjugate strongly if there are options. Except nom. ein in masc and neut, which is just always ein.
3. Clarification of the above rules: if there is an adjective that stands alone, or with "ein" (in that exact form), then it will be conjugated strong.
4. There are some more complicated cases, but this should cover 99% of what i'll encounter for the time being

Does this seem right?

and there are only two general conjugation patterns to remember, the strong and the weak (and some special irregular cases)

so
"ein schönes Haus", but "das schöne Haus", because of the lack of strength in "ein", the adjective needs to do the job in the first sentence, but not in the second. Also "einem schönen Haus", the adjective doesn't need to be strong, because in this case the ein form shows the way

[long whale]

Seems about right.

[flint nimbus]

thank you, i was going back and forth on that one 🙂

does it seem right otherwise?

[long whale]

Yes, I think so. :)

[flint nimbus]

thank you! the weak pattern seems a lot easier to remember than the strong as well

literally just e for all nom and acc except plural, as well as masc acc, and then n for all of the rest

[long whale]

-n for masc. acc as well

[flint nimbus]

i did write that! it's a bit messy as it's written though

[long whale]

Yes, I was kind of wondering. Never mind - the main thing is you got it sorted in your head. ;)

[flint nimbus]

right, thank you! it's always appreciated to have clarification. I also write it like that just to make sure that i understand the clarification, if that makes sense 😄

ok i'm gonna sit down with some articles on word order now

[hearty swift]

@nimble viper @undone verge Ah ok, thank you!
I haven't had formal German learning in three years so I am out of practice |D

[hot nexus]

How do I say he is a provider male

[fervent kernel]

guys i need help about using "as well as" in germany example = i want to know about the phone color as well as how good it can perfomr

[woven wind]

"**es **lesen wider mehr Leute Bücher" --> don't we use normally "wieder mehr Leute lesen Bücher" ??

[delicate tiger]

that would put the verb at position 3, so it doesn't work

[undone verge]

it would be very common

'das ist da drüben' sounds like an answer to a question about a specific thing. You wouldn't just say it out of the blue to talk about a bus. And 'es ist da drüben' is technically incorrect anyway. It would be 'Er ist da drüben'

er is often replaced by der, sie by die

for some reason most german courses/teachers don't teach this, at least in my experience. But natives use the 'der/die/das' as pronouns very often. More than half the time for sure.

[woven wind]

"die Aufnahme der Schauplätze sind gut aber ein bisschen unscharf weil die Serie im Jahr 2008 gedreht geworden ist aber alles in allem ist man damit zufrieden. " --> can we say unscharfe Aufnahme ? is this sentence good?

[long whale]

Except you'd have to use "Aufnahme" in plural. And comma before "weil" and "aber".

[flint nimbus]

i have mostly just seen "das" being used so far as a kind of universal "that, unspecified object or abstract placeholder" rather

[woven wind]

i understand, merci

[undone verge]

that is precisely 'that'

this / that

[flint nimbus]

weird that courses don't seem to teach this "gendered das" way of using it!

[woven wind]

"Wahrscheinlicher Hintergrund für den Amoklauf zu Silvester ist Eifersucht." --> Hintergrund=Grund ??

"die Hintergründe zu ... waren gut recherchiert" --> Hintergrund + zu ?

[rugged hazel]

yes, here Hintergrund = Beweggrund = Grund

[rugged hazel]

von would be correct

[woven wind]

mag ich das Gedränge ja gar nicht **so **---> so like somehow? or so intensifier ?

[woven wind]

from txtbook .. does it convey the same meaning as Grund ? and would you please provide an example

[rugged hazel]

hintergrund von etwas as in Beweggrund von etwas
With Genitiv e.g. "Hintergrund der Tat", "Hintergrund des Amoklaufs"
But with "zu"? I dont find any examples on the net, not heard of it

[rugged hazel]

why is hintergrund feminine in your textbook? what's the full sentence?

[brave palm]

how to learn more german?

[woven wind]

typo

there is no example provided, that has been given, so im confused

[rugged hazel]

cant find dative examples like yours on the internet... hintergründe der Tat is the safest one

i will ask in german only

[woven wind]

aha, i see, thanks ...

for the time

[long whale]

You're probably aware of this, but we would not use "das" to refer to a bus. It's something specific, it's masculine -> der/er

And the thing is... using demonstrative pronouns over personal pronouns is a relatively recent thing. Plus, it's not done in writing. That's probably why it isn't taught. ;)

[narrow geode]

quick question about German Vocabulary and translations: Orden der Brüder vom Deutschen Haus der Heiligen Maria in Jerusalem. Does "von" mean more "of" or "since" in that context

it might be "of" even if its not common to use it as such because the order existed like in 13th century. It´s related to our country´s history so thats how i noticed it

[timid vector]

"since the german house" doesn't make much sense, does it?

[long whale]

In a way, it is common: the Prince of Wales = der Prinz von Wales; the Duke of Marlborough = der Herzog von Marlborough ;)

[fervent kernel]

Wie kann man diese "engineering" in diesen Sätzen übersetzen?

• This is an engineering beauty (engineering miracle)
• The number of women in engineering increased
• We are doing an engineering here

[flint nimbus]

i was unsure actually! What about a sentence like this, in that case?

Wie viele Buchstaben sind das?

it feels like the das refers to "Buchstaben", but that's plural, so should be die then

[long whale]

No... It works along the lines of pointing "Was ist das?" (never: Was sind die?) Das sind Gänse/Tomaten/Schrauben. (never: Die sind Gänse/Tomaten/Schrauben) This also works for people, btw: Wer ist das? - Das ist meine Tante.

[flint nimbus]

right, so then das is used even when it's established or almost established that the gender should be something else, as a gender neutral term

[long whale]

This sounds entirely misleading. When we're presenting/introducing something/someone, we use "das".

[flint nimbus]

right, and even if we already know the gender of the person! "Das ist Maria". So then i think that must mean das can be gender neutral in some particular uses even when the gender is known

[long whale]

I said "when presenting/introducing"

Das ist meine Tante. Sie ist 70 Jahre alt. Das ist mein Lieblingssessel. Er/Der Es/Das ist 100 Jahre alt. 🤷

[flint nimbus]

right, so to summarize (i think) what we have discussed:
der/das/die's primary function is of course as noun determiners
das can also be used as this/that, whatever the gender may be (and even if it's known) (this/that works in all the examples we have talked about)
er/sie/es is traditionally the way to say gendered "it" (and he/she for er/sie)
lately people have started to also use der/die/das in place of how er/sie/es has been used traditionally

Did i miss-state or miss something?

[long whale]

"das can also be used as this/that, whatever the gender may be (this/that works in all the examples we have talked about)" -> It doesn't work in my example about my favourite armchair. It only works when there's been no previous context, or when there is a common neuter noun which could be used (which is mostly the case, because there's "das Ding"). So, when you've brought a box of food to the party, asking "Wo soll ich das [Essen, Zeug] hinstellen?" is fine. When you're carrying a large pizza, the same question would sound a bit weird, because Pizza is feminine, so "Wo soll ich die hinstellen?" would be far more normal, at least in my opinion.

[flint nimbus]

doesn't it? "This/that is my armchair" sounds perfect to me! Interesting about the pizza case though, if die (or sie) sounds more natural, would you also use "where should i put it" in the same context? Maybe the level of assumed familiarity is shifted somewhat, but the general principle seems to work at least, because "where should i put it" sounds kind of right, and more right the more we imagine that other people have already noticed it

[long whale]

Of course, for the 1st sentence about the armchair, it works fine. Not sure what you mean with "Where should I put it?" (= Wo soll ich sie hinstellen?) - ?

[flint nimbus]

yes, about the pizza example. Like if everybody have already recognized that i'm holding the pizza, then going like all right where should i put it (the pizza) seems fine to me

is the usage of die and sie in this case perfectly overlapping, save for level of formality?

[long whale]

I'd say so, yes.

[flint nimbus]

if you're just bringing it into the room and people mostly haven't really had time to notice the pizza, would you still use die, or would you use das then?

[long whale]

It hasn't got that much to do with people knowing what I'm carrying. It's far more to do with what I'm thinking of while asking.

And since I'll be thinking "Pizza", I'll be asking about die/sie. 🤷

[flint nimbus]

but if you're thinking "Tante" you're still saying das sometimes, so it's not just about the gender of what you're thinking about

[long whale]

I'm not thinking "das", when I think of "Tante" - what gave you that idea? "das" + Tante is exclusively about presenting/introducing.

It'll be exactly 1 sentence, the very 1st sentence about anything on god's wide earth: Das ist meine Tante. Das sind Heidelbeeren.

(As long as you don't know who/what it is I'm showing/presenting/introducing to you, of course.)

[flint nimbus]

how about this kind of scenario: a classic scene from a movie is something weird happens, and the protagonist says to himself: I love this city. Would we then say "Ich liebe diese Stadt"?

[gusty silo]

(sorry for interrupting and Susana feel free to tell me off, but what things are unclear yet? i'd like to follow the conversation but haven't read everything)

[flint nimbus]

maybe i should use "dies Auto" instead to clarify i'm talking about a new word 😄

i think we're mostly talking about exact boundaries of edge cases, except we also need to watch out for cases where we'd use dies. But i think i'm mostly on board and we're slightly talking past each other!

[gusty silo]

i see

[long whale]

Possibly. Although... 😄

[long whale]

Why wouldn't we, btw?

[gusty silo]

have you established that dies=/=dieses in use?

like, "dies Auto" sounds markedly old fashioned to me, "dieses Auto" normal

[flint nimbus]

oh, ok! i didn't know that. I haven't used dies- much!

the original claim i made that was contentious is that in a das vs die/das/der/sie/es/er scenario is similar and almost directly corresponding to this/that vs it in english, even when the gender is known of the object. What i wanted to confirm was that it's not really about knowing or not knowing the gender, so it's not that we use das just when we're uncertain about something. Rather it is a particular use of das which should be treated as its own entry, kind of

[gusty silo]

in regular speech the 'dies-' stem (in the short as well as the long form and all) is not terribly common either. 'dies(es)' is markedly rarer in german then 'this' is in english

[long whale]

Well, we don't use it nearly as much as English uses this/that/these/those.

[long whale]

I agree, but imagine yourself describing something very specific, and maybe a little special/peculiar to me - some drink or food, for example.

[flint nimbus]

that makes sense in this discussion, since a lot of "this" cases gets eaten up by "das"!

[long whale]

You'd say something like "Kennst du dieses komische rote Zeug, das man...", wouldn't you?

[flint nimbus]

"what is this?" "was ist das?" etc

dies- seems so far like it implies a level of familiarity, whereas das if anything implies the opposite (roughly)

[gusty silo]

ah i see. yes i'd be on board with this, 'das' in an introduction is its own particular use and you cannot default to 'das' if you don't know the gender of what you're referring to.
i'm not entirely sure how precisely these additional uses of 'das' should be categorised, but i think one could argue that they don't infact refer to the particular noun you're introducing but to, hm, sort of just a circumstance? like they fulfill a specific conversational purpose, rather then a 'usual' grammatical one and that it's potentially for the same reasons we refer to clauses and actual situations as 'das'

[gusty silo]

hm, might not agree, for some interpretation of the word 'familiarity', but if it works for you

[flint nimbus]

i think i agree! It's a particulara use of familiarity. It would take me some time to word it perfectly and also i'm not fully aware of how it's used of course

[gusty silo]

i would atleast agree that dies goes hand in hand with its referrent being specific

though not necessarily familiar (you can use it to point to something the other person hasn't seen yet, but it's clear you mean the particular thing you're pointing at), and i don't think das lacks this sense, it just both can have it but doesn't have to

[flint nimbus]

what i mean is for example if i compare "ich liebe das Stadt" and "ich liebe diese Stadt", the work das does (it seems to me) is to somehow tell us that the speaker is idk... talking about a city far away, or a city the listener might've never been to, etc, but still the speaker could be very well aware of it There is something distancing or introductory (introduction to me implies that there was previously unfamiliarity somehow). Whereas diese i'm getting implications that the speaker is familiar with the city, they are probably currently in it, or are otherwise in a context of familiarity implying discussion about it

[gusty silo]

should be "ich liebe die Stadt" though! :p

[flint nimbus]

now i'm not sure if you're joking 😰

[gusty silo]

i'm not

[long whale]

No joke.

"Ich liebe die Stadt" sounds more like you love city life in general.

[flint nimbus]

so there is no context in which "ich liebe das Stadt" could be said?

[gusty silo]

hm, yeah no i do somewhat disagree about your perception of der/die/das here. like obviously there is a different between these two sentences, but it's not that the one with der/die/das here implies distance i think

"ich liebe das Stadt" is grammatically incorrect, yes

[long whale]

Huh? No.

[gusty silo]

der/die/das has to agree with the noun it refers to here

[flint nimbus]

is there a way to make a distinction between "I love that city" vs "I love the city" in german then?

[gusty silo]

contextually it works too i think. "Warum wohnst du eigentlich immer noch in Hamburg?" "Naja, ich liebe die Stadt!"

[gusty silo]

well, yeah but it's not a one-to-one way :p

[flint nimbus]

i was thinking about that particular use of das as roughly "this/that", rather than die/das/der there

[gusty silo]

if you want to highlight a contrast between that city and some other city, you'd say either "Ich liebe diese Stadt" or "Ich liebe die Stadt", with emphasis on diese or die respectively

if it were some context like "have you ever been to New York? - Yeah, i love that city!" i would go with "Ich liebe die Stadt!" in german

[gusty silo]

no that particular use of 'das' we talked about earlier is not distinct from the use of der/die/das as an article. the use as a demonstrative 'that' isn't reserved for the form 'das', it agrees with what it refers to except in the situation we talked about earlier when introducing someone

[flint nimbus]

what if we imagine two people driving from one city to another and on the way they drive by a city that they see in the distance, and one of the people say "ah, i love that city!" or two people reminiscing about Las Vegas and the years of partying they did there 20 years, and someone says "ah, i love that city!" Maybe someone even enters the room and says "Las Vegas sucks!" and one of the people say "Hey, i love that city!" Neither of these cases uses das?

[gusty silo]

yes on the technical level none of these sentences uses 'das' because the noun Stadt requires 'die'

[flint nimbus]

ok, i see

"i love the city" gives me such different vibes in English, so i suppose die/das/der has a different ability for emphasis than "the" has then

[gusty silo]

in the first case i would probably add "da (hinten)" (i.e. "Ach, ich liebe die Stadt da (hinten)") or something else (for example "Ah, ich liebe die Stadt die da kommt" 'i love the city that's coming there'), in the second i'd probably just use the definite article (Ach ich liebe die Stadt!) and in the second probably either "die Stadt" or "diese Stadt". but never 'das'

[flint nimbus]

ok, good, thanks to the both of you! I'm with the program now! Btw it seems like perhaps in the two first cases then German, rather than having a direct correspondance to "that" in that case, needs to create another construction that creates a similar emphasis with more words. Cool, cool

[gusty silo]

ye, that's a known thing (well, it is known by some people atleast) that when a language doesn't make a distance distinction in its demonstratives (i.e. words like this and that that point something out), it still uses some other words to avoid ambiguity where necessary; in german that purpose is served by hier, da and dort (but atleast in germany itself dort not as often, usually hier and da)

[flint nimbus]

i'm looking at this chart https://germanwithlaura.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/possessive-pronoun_chart.svg i have only one question, why are all the nom masc all ending with -er? For example "Du bist mein Vater.", right?

[gusty silo]

you know how english distinguishes "your" and "yours", "my" and "mine"?

"You are my father" but "That book is mine"

[flint nimbus]

yes

[gusty silo]

this is like that. the forms in the chart you have, while largely matching the ones used before a noun, are the ones for when you don't use it next to the noun you're possessing

[flint nimbus]

so the pronoun classes of "my" and "mine" are exactly the same except the masc and neuter nominatives?

[gusty silo]

"Das ist mein Schlüssel" (that's my key) but "Das ist meiner" (that's mine[masculine.nominative])
"Das ist mein Buch" (that's my book) but "Das ist mein(e)s" (that's mine[neuter.nominative])

[gusty silo]

i think so, but don't quote me on that, i don't look at charts for this sort of stuff too often myself since i don't need it for my intuition 😅

[flint nimbus]

right

i suppose it makes sense since "meiner" completely replaces the noun rather than saying something about it, it makes sense that it's stronger, since there is less information left after the noun has been replaced

[gusty silo]

yeah exactly

though german doesn't use this logic everywhere, annoyingly enough (adjectives are the other way around for example. das schöne Buch but das Buch ist schön)

well, to the extent we would say both instances are of a comparable sort, but you get what i mean

[flint nimbus]

the accusative neuter is different as well. Same pattern as ein vs der kind of

[prisma lily]

,,Ich gehe davon aus, dass unsere Arbeit wird durch die neue Datenbank schneller durchgeführt werden können''

ich hab den Text in meinem Grammatikbuch gesehen. ich weiß, dass wenn ein Nebensatz "hätten" enthält, kommt das vor die anderen Verben. beispielsweise: "ich wusste nicht, dass wir die Arbeit hätten erledigen können". gibt es eine solche Regel für den ersten Satz?

[nimble viper]

Die Regel, die du meinst, gilt nicht für den ersten Satz. Diese Regel ist nämlich, dass bei Situation mit vielen Verben das Verb "haben" (in ihrer Form hätten natürlich auch) oft zuerst kommen sollte. In dem oben zweiten Satz siehst du aber einen Fehler, soviel ich weiß, wenn dieses Beispiel sich im Grammatikbuch findet. Wenn es kein Fehler ist, möchte ich auch wissen, warum "wird" nicht am Ende des Satzes steht.

In der Alltagssprache wird die richtige Wordfolge oft ignoriert. Deswegen habe ich spezifiziert, wie du das in einem Grammatikbuch gefunden hast.

[thorn pelican]

@prisma lily
diese regel gilt nicht nur für haben
ist aber mit 'werden' nicht obligatorisch
(duden die grammatik)

[prisma lily]

alles klar, danke

[long whale]

Sounds extremely awkward to me... Frankly, I'd say it's wrong. Or at least, it feels quite wrong to me. IMO, it ought to be either ... dass unsere Arbeit durch... schneller wird durchgeführt werden können OR ... dass unsere Arbeit durch... schneller durchgeführt werden können wird.

@nimble viper

[nimble viper]

Danke, also es funktioniert wie bei haben. kann vor dem anderen Verben alle am Ende stehen, aber nicht so früh im Satz wie in dem jw. Beispiel

[long whale]

... kann vor allen anderen Verben...

... kann vor all den anderen Verben...

[rugged hazel]

isnt that meant by unmittelbar

[fervent kernel]

kann "Leiter" meinst "stairs" auf Englisch?

[rose minnow]

please can I have help with the word lass? I don't understand how it's used or what it means looking at dictionary's has been inconclusive

[long whale]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-woodpecker-ladder-climbing-climb-cartoon-gif-17832680

Only this kind of stairs, i.e. a ladder.

[long whale]

Lass uns... Lasst uns... = Let's...

Otherwise, the verb "lassen" has a great many uses in German. ;)

[rose minnow]

many?! oh no not again

[fervent kernel]

"Leiter" also means leader, right?

[rose minnow]

thanks

[long whale]

der Leiter = head [of a department] die Leiter = ladder

[fervent kernel]

Dankeschön

[long whale]

*Danke schön. - Bitte, gern.

[ripe dust]

Which Gothic typeface was used in German before it was abolished?

[undone verge]

fraktur

[delicate tiger]

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gebrochene_Schrift you can start here

[acoustic breach]

I would like to say
"It is good that one starts to stop using translators"

I could say "es ist gut, dass man anfängt, den Übersetzer nicht zu benutzen"

The first that came to mind was "dass man anfängt, aufzuhören, den Übersetzer zu benutzen"

Is there a better construction that is equivalent to the original english sentence?

[long whale]

I'd say so. I'd say "... dass man allmählich aufhört..." (because "...anfängt aufzuhören" sounds just... awkward)

[bitter sandal]

can someone help me to understand, this exercice pls, btw i translated the task, so if it look wrong tell me !

[acoustic breach]

Danke!

[long whale]

C'est pas grand chose. Tu regardes l'exemple là-bas, et tu fais le même avec ces autres verbes.

[bitter sandal]

mais la douille c'est que je comprend pas trop 😅

[long whale]

Puis, écris-le dans deepl.com - ca t'aidera ;)

Il y a aussi https://de.pons.com/übersetzung/deutsch-französisch/hilfsbereit - c'est meilleur pour des mots sans contexte.

@bitter sandal

[bitter sandal]

and what about that ??
@long whale

[long whale]

Yes? They're telling you what to do, then they show you an example of what they want.

Je me propose de... J'ai l'intention de...

[bitter sandal]

can someone tell me where i did mistake pls

[nimble viper]

Like, did u write the yellow

[bitter sandal]

yep

[nimble viper]

Well

Besides that example 8 is smoking something on the left side

1. In the first section you have often used the simple past tense (as was intended for section 2) instead of the perfect

2. In the second section you have misunderstood sie (female) for Sie (formal) by not acknowledging the conjugation of the left side.

3. In the third section you have (mostly) not followed the directive of using würden or möchten to enforce the K2 conditional mood. Instead you have demonstrated intention with all kinds of combinations such as “vorhaben” and “vornehmen”, which doesn’t really achieve the task unfortunately. Notwithstanding that is not entirely clear that you understand how these constructions work with zu-infinitives

[bitter sandal]

im not sure to understand 😅

what should i change ?

[nimble viper]

In Section 1 : Use only the perfekt [“hat sich erholt” not “heilte” (holte sich), “hat gesprochen” not “sprach”]

Section 2: Finish each sentence in full this time and consider if the subject has changed (it shouldn’t)

Section 3: Keep the words offered on the left side in your answer, not changing the meaning as such. Use würden/möchten and not other verbs such as vorhaben, vornehmen, wollen. Avoid wären unless you really understand where/how to use it

[bitter sandal]

alr thanks you, ill try to my best to solve that

[bitter sandal]

idk that sound wrong when i translate into french

[nimble viper]

hat sie sich erholt

[bitter sandal]

for the 3. you said what i did wrong, can you tell me how can i solve that pls

[nimble viper]

No, I can’t get much more specific than what I already said. Je peux m’essayer de le dire en français mais c’est probablement trop difficile pour moi à faire

[bitter sandal]

all good, thanks you for your help

[fervent kernel]

was bedeutet "alles Gute" auf Englisch?

[nimble viper]

Nothing xD That’s German.
jk. “all the best”

[fervent kernel]

everytime I was asked "wie geht es dir?" I used to asnwer "alles gut", I was thinking I was saying that everything is okay, so I was actually saying "all the best"?

[nimble viper]

No, you asked about Alles Gute

zB Alles Gute aus Berlin

[fervent kernel]

ich verstehe nicht, was meinst du?

[nimble viper]

Du hast “alles gut” gesagt nicht “alles Gute”

[wooden beacon]

Alles Gute is different than alles gut. Like Alp said alles Gute ist all the best and alles gut is like it's fine or I'm fine/okay

[fervent kernel]

jetzt vertehe ich

[wooden beacon]

Sry for English and spelling mistakes haha

[fervent kernel]

are there spelling mistakes? I have not noticed...

[wooden beacon]

Well then okay I felt like there were

[fervent kernel]

alles gut

[nimble viper]

Wie sagt man am besten "vocal run" auf Deutsch

Was Mariah Carey tut

beim singen

[whole portal]

Ich habe kein Plan, was sie tut also musst du da spezifischer werden

[nimble viper]

Kennst du den Song "All I Want for Christmas"

[whole portal]

Schon

[nimble viper]

Ich zeig dir damit

[whole portal]

Also ich hab einfach mal gegoogelt und Wikipedia meinte direkt Melisma.

Klingt halt nach einem musikalischen Begriff, wird wohl passen.

[nimble viper]

um 0:37 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yXQViqx6GMY

you-ouououououo

[whole portal]

Ja

Heißt wohl Melisma, auf Wikipedia war das Beispiel das Glo(ooooo-ooooo-ooooo)ria bei "Hört ihr wie die Engel singen".

[nimble viper]

Das ist mW etwas anderes

mehr so ein Bogen zwischen den Noten

ist was hier los ist

[whole portal]

Well the melody changes, that's the key parameter.

[nimble viper]

bei Gloria gibt es Pausen zwischen den Noten

[whole portal]

An informal term for melisma is a vocal run.

Nicht wirklich aber es geht ja auch darum, dass die verschiedenen Os auf verschiedenen Tönen landen.

[nimble viper]

Okay danke

[flint nimbus]

does the machen ... licht ... aus combo mean specifically to turn the light off? if so, is there an corresponding opposite way of saying turning the lights on?

[nimble viper]

Yeah, anmachen

[flint nimbus]

so something like "Ich habe das licht gemacht an" then?

Das neue Handy ist noch besser als das alte
i don't understand "das alte" in the end.

like in why is it das, is it the gender neutral das? Why? And why does alte have the -e? Is it in reference to Handy? Why don't Das and alte match in that case?

[plain umbra]

Yes. Das neue Handy ist noch besser als das alte (Handy). The last Handy just isn't explicitly stated because you know what it is already.

Not sure what you mean by "Why don't Das and alte match in that case?" though.

[flint nimbus]

i suppose they don't have to match

[plain umbra]

What do you mean by "match" though?

[flint nimbus]

nothing, i think i take it back 😛

[nimble viper]

angemacht, oui

[nimble viper]

Könnte die Idee, dass jeder Mensch irgendeines Landes Philosophie in der Schule lernen sollte, als bildungsbürgerlich gekennzeichnet werden?

[undone verge]

yes if you want

[nimble viper]

Ergäbe es einen Sinn dazu, wenn ein Mensch 'leiblich' genannt wäre?

[undone verge]

ergäbe es Sinn, einen Menschen leiblich zu nennen?

Antwort: nicht wirklich

[nimble viper]

k

Wenn jemand defekt genannt würde, impliziert das, dass er szs gegen den Staat sei?

[woven wind]

Any equivalents or translations for these two words? :
Verkehrsbehinderung
Verkehrswetterdienst

[undone verge]

ne

zumindest nicht an sich.

[undone verge]

where did you find the words?
the second one...like a weather service with a focus on traffic?

[verbal trellis]

Yeah, and the first one means like "traffic obstruction" and can mean anything from bad weather, a construction site, a broken down car, ... whatever really can obstruct traffic

[nimble viper]

Darf ich eine neue eher einfallsreiche Idee "embryonal" nennen?

[undone verge]

klingt komisch

weiß auch nicht, ob man eine Idee als einfallsreich beschreiben kann/soll

[nimble viper]

dann einen Plan so

eine Vision

[verbal trellis]

"einfallsreiche Idee" klingt für mich ziemlich normal eigentlich

[verbal trellis]

Ich glaube es ist nicht falsch, aber ich weiß nicht wie viele Personen dich verstehen würden, es klingt komisch

[nimble viper]

Wenn etwas existenzgefährdend ist, soll dieses Ding die Zukunft der ganzen Menschlichkeit betreffen? oder kann es auch nur eine Person betreffen?

[verbal trellis]

Es kann alles sein, existenzgefährdend für eine Person, ein Unternehmen, ein Land, die gesamte Welt, ... geht alles

[undone verge]

in theory it could also be for just one person.

are you reading Brave New World or 1984 in german?

[nimble viper]

Okay, und... wie soll ich das Wort benutzen? mit dem Genetiv?

[undone verge]

or are these questions coming from a list somewhere? 😂

[nimble viper]

zB. Diese neuen Gewohnheiten sollen mir existenzgefährdend werden

kann ich sowas sagen

[verbal trellis]

Ich glaube mit dem Akkusativ.
Es ist existenzgefährdend für den Polizist.
existenzgefährdend für Wen oder Was?

zB. Diese neuen Gewohnheiten sollen mir existenzgefährdend werden
Diese neuen Gewohnheiten sollen für mich existenzgefährdend werden

[nimble viper]

Cool! Vielen Dank

[nimble viper]

Dachte es wäre höchste Zeit ich lerne was neues

Mein Deutsch würde höchstwahrscheinlich sonst eher fade werden

Als noch eine Frage - würde ein Deutscher mich seltsam ansehen, wenn ich zu oft das Wort "frequent" (statt häufig) sagen würde?

Wenn eine Person fündig ist, bezieht sich das eher auf ihren Charakter als ihren Reichtum?

[undone verge]

you can say frequent

but sometimes it will sound a bit odd.

they will know what you mean and they will already know you're not native, so probs won't look at you too strange

[nimble viper]

ok 🙂

[verbal trellis]

Kommt auf den Kontext an (also zumindest jetzt mein Eindruck)
frequent als Adjektiv direkt vor einem Substantiv klingt für mich relativ normal,
zum Beispiel "eine frequente Situation", aber selbst hier klingt es ein wenig nach Fachsprache und weniger gebräuchlich.
Ein Adjektiv am Satzende (Ich glaube als Prädikativum) wie zum beispiel "Die Situation ist frequent" wäre komisch und dass würde ich nicht benutzen.
Als Adverb "Die Situation kommt frequent vor" ist es wieder okay, würde ich behaupten.
Aber an eigentlich fast jeder Stelle ist "häufig" geläufiger und mehr casual.

[verbal trellis]

Aber ja haha
Es interessiert eigentlich keinen wenn es von einem nicht-native kommt

[undone verge]

for 4 months I finished my order at the train station bakery with 'das ist was!' (a broken attempt to imitate 'das war's' without understand the words) and no one ever corrected me or batted an eyelid. Sometimes, the natives can be cruel in their tolerance

[nimble viper]

Würde je die richtige Situation auftauchen, wo jemand mit dem Wort "lebensfeindlich" beschrieben werden könnte?

[verbal trellis]

fündig hat zwei Bedeutungen:

1. Jemand hat etwas gesucht und hat es gefunden. Zum Beispiel wenn man sein Handy verloren hat und wieder gefunden hat. Oder man hat etwas im Supermarkt gesucht, dann ist diese person fündig (geworden).
2. Als Eigenschaft wenn etwas sehr ertragreich (having a lot of stuff you want to extract, like coal, or a good soil) ist, ist es fündig. Das ist das worauf du anspielst aber ich glaube nicht, dass es für Personen verwendet wird. Eigentlich nur für Böden in denen was angebaut oder abgebaut werden soll.

1. can be used for people, 2) cannot

[nimble viper]

Ja ich hatte drauf angespielt

auf Englisch kann die Zweite für Personen gelten

Wenn ich das Wort richtig verstehe und ich nicht eigentlich ein anderes Wort will

[verbal trellis]

Welches englische Wort denn?

[nimble viper]

"rich"

[verbal trellis]

"rich" is certainly one synonym for "fündig" if you talk about grounds or rocks or something, but i would generally say "fündig" is a bit of a rare and special term,
A more general translation for "rich" is "reich" and that (or at least i think so) fits generally on most of the English usages too

[rugged hazel]

ja

[nimble viper]

Gibt's dann "reich sein" für Personen, wo es nicht in Bezug auf Geld gemeint ist?

[rugged hazel]

reich an [ ]

[verbal trellis]

Ja, theoretisch schon, aber im ersten Moment würden Personen an Geld denken, wenn du es nicht genauer ausführst

[flint nimbus]

i didn't understand the response i got. So

Ich habe das licht angemacht
is the correct sentence then? "i have turned off the light"

[nimble viper]

Wie..... A: "I don't like him, he plays too many video games." B: "That's pretty rich of you" / "You're being rich there." (Du spielst doch täglich Computerspiele!)

[rugged hazel]

on

[verbal trellis]

angemacht - an machen - turn on
ausgemacht - aus machen - turn off

[flint nimbus]

right sorry on i meant

but i wanted to clarify the sentence in german was correct

[rugged hazel]

no, doesnt work with fündig or reich or whatever

[undone verge]

yes, it is 🙂

[verbal trellis]

I think the usage of "thats rich of you..." is one of the usages that really dont work with german "reich"

[undone verge]

just capitalise Licht

[flint nimbus]

ah! 😄

[nimble viper]

ach so, danke

[flint nimbus]

Ich habe das Licht angemacht!
turned on
there we go then! Thanks

[nimble viper]

verstehen die meisten Deutschen was "gut betucht sein" bedeutet?

[verbal trellis]

*das Licht :p

[undone verge]

autocorrect pulled a fast one on ya

[rugged hazel]

ja, jeder

[flint nimbus]

ok now 🤦

not autocorrect, just me

[undone verge]

no, it was autocorrect

[nimble viper]

Ist nicht genau worauf ich vor vorne hinauswollte aber ich glaub ich kann jetzt mit den paar Wörtern, mit denen ich mich jetzt besser auskenne, bezüglich "rich" usw. zufrieden bleiben

Ich hör für jetzt auf mehr Fragen zu stellen

[narrow pier]

hello, does ( Rückemail ) exist? as in

Ich habe einige Frage an Ihrer Rückemail ( the email which you sent as a reply to mine )

[woven wind]

davon ausgehen/ von etw gehen --> is this a correct translation?

[reef moss]

Yes, but without the 'e'

Change 'an' to 'in Bezug auf' and decline the possessive correspondingly, and you're set

[plain umbra]

von etw ausgehen

[reef moss]

Von etwas gehen and von etwas ausgehen have two completely different meanings. The latter only means 'assume'

[long whale]

Not jemand, no. But a thing - yes. Der Mars is lebensfeindlich, i.e. we could not live there.

[nimble viper]

Hm, frag mich jetzt ob ich sagen könnte, dass mein Zimmer lebensfeindlich ist (aus Spaß)

[long whale]

Sure.

[woven wind]

"die Komödie über die Identität türkischer Gastarbeiter in Deutschland kam im März 2011 in die Kinos und lief außer Konkurrenz im Wettbewerbsprogramm der 61er Berlinale" --> außer Konkurrenz :"direct without competition, because it was good enough to play " ???

[flint nimbus]

Du kommst schon morgen, oder?
is supposed to mean, according to my sources
You're coming tomorrow, right?
And the schon serves to really underline that this is something that is highly expected.
But then i wonder, how would i say "You're coming already tomorrow, right?", with the sense of "so soon" (preferably in a way that uses schon, for the sake of understanding this dynamic)

[flint nimbus]

second question:

Du machst das schon.
You'll do all right.
I don't understand how we know it's about the future. Also, from what i've seen before, this way of using machen to say "do well", i think it's been more like
Macht's gut?
that is, with a grammatical dummy "es" as its subject, and (in this case invisible) dative to refer to whomever is concerned, corresponding to
Geht's gut?
so this sentence seems to take on a different form altogether. How does this all fit together? And how do we know we're not talking about doing in a more literal sense?

[idle flicker]

“Sie müssen diese Frage nur einmal beantworten.”

Why are the adverbs after the accusative object?

[crisp sparrow]

Hallo, welches ist das grammatikalisch korrekte Beispiel?
Er packte seine Sachen in einen Rucksack
Er packte seine Sachen in einem Rucksack

Ich bin nicht sicher ob es hier Bewegung gibt und kann mich nicht entscheiden ob ich hier Akkusativ oder Dativ benutzen soll

[long whale]

Akkusativ: he packed his things into a backpack

[crisp sparrow]

Vielen Dank!

[long whale]

It means the film didn't enter the competition, it was shown "outside of" the competition.

[long whale]

Du kommst schon morgen, oder? = You're coming already tomorrow, right? vs. (and this is colloquial, therefore, the "schon" would be stressed) "Du kommst morgen schon, oder?" = You are coming tomorrow, aren't you?

[long whale]

Well... if there were a situation where the mere statement "You are already doing it" would make sense, then yes, it would refer to the present. But don't forget, in real life, things are rarely said without any context whatsoever. And specifically, the consoling/optimistic "You'll do all right" is usually the end of a conversation, right? Your friend's worried about passing the exam/moving to another country/asking a girl out, you listen to his list of worries, and then, at the end, how likely is it you'll be saying "You are already doing it", hm? 😄

[fervent kernel]

can anyone give me a 1-2 sentence explanation of the meaning of denn as a modal particle please (in english)?
for an anki deck

[undone verge]

expresses more interest from the speaker when asking a question, but can also add a negative tone to a question.

[rugged hazel]

Denn is only used in questions and either adds additional sympathy/interest (1), expresses doubt (2) or conveys a feeling of being weirded out/disgustet/repulsed by someone or something (3) . (1) and (3) sometimes only differ by intonation.

Examples

1. Wie heißt du denn? Was ist denn das? Was soll das denn werden?
2. Kannst du denn schwimmen?
3. Wie heißt du denn?
   Wer bist du denn?
   Was ist das denn?
   Was soll das denn werden?

[fervent kernel]

Danke

[rugged hazel]

It is true that a negative reaction can be being interested in something as well

[outer vault]

Is there a German phrase that expresses the same as "value for money" in English? Obviously a literal translation would be like "Wert für Geld" but idk if that's the ideal way of saying it (context: "they're known for their affordable prices and value for money")

[daring fern]

"Preis-Leistungsverhältnis"

[rugged hazel]

forgot second hyphen

[daring fern]

Yeah SORRY

[outer vault]

Thank you so much :]

[woven wind]

does Neuheiten here refer to new books ??

[rugged hazel]

Yes

new arrivals

[woven wind]

aha Danke

what does he mean by spielen?

[fervent kernel]

Hallo. Ich habe eine Frage.

Ich bin English- und Deutschlehrer von Beruf. Ich unterrichte Englisch und Deutsch. Leider liegt das Problem daran, dass ich die beiden Sprachen nicht auf demselben Niveau beherrsche. Ich spreche fließend English aber mein Deutsch ist nicht so gut.

Trotzdem habe ich gerade eine Vollzeitstelle als Deutschlehrer bekommen. Ich soll A1- und A2-Klassen an einer Mittelschule in Deutsch als Fremdsprache unterrichten. Alles findet also auf Deutsch statt.

Mein Hauptproblem ist, dass ich nicht kontinuierlich und natürlich sprechen kann. Dagegen ist der Akzent kein Problem. Ich habe nämlich vier Monate in Österreich gelebt, das hat ja dabei sehr geholfen.

Habt ihr irgendwelche Tipps?

[undone verge]

I guess just keep trying to learn more german by reading/listening native content

[fervent kernel]

Dankeschön 🙂

[flint nimbus]

in the expression zu hause, where does the -e in hause come from?

[plain umbra]

That is the old declension of singular dative that doesn't exist anymore, except in a few set phrases such as this.

[storm arch]

hi, i'm a little bit confused with the verb 'bestimmen'. What is supposed to mean here?

[nimble viper]

here it is an adverb (bestimmt) not the root verb bestimmen

You can tell because a verb is before it

It means “definitely” here; “You guys are definitely having a lot of fun with each other!” . Depending on the tone you could also translate that as “… sure are having a lot of fun…”

[flint nimbus]

ah got it! cool thanks

[nocturne granite]

hallo, what do you think of the sentences "du warst beinahe völlig abwesend"?

as in you were almost completely absent, as in you were barely there

not as in you almost missed it and but did manage to be present

[storm arch]

Danke schön!

[nimble viper]

I watched about 13 episodes of Extr@ auf Deutsch, great series

[quick zealot]

just speaking here to not interrupt the conversation in q1, but if I was at a cafe or restaurant and I wanted to ask if they have green tea or black tea, what is the name of (for what we call in english) green tea, as well as black tea?

[orchid spear]

Grüner Tee, Schwarzer Tee

[quick zealot]

so its the same name just german

makes sense

[orchid spear]

Yes

[quick zealot]

I didn't know if it had a different name that didn't directly translate to black tea or green tea

thank you for helping

[nocturne granite]

can i repeat the question without getting banned or muted? sorry lmao

[rigid nexus]

Hallo!

I have a doubt of A1 Deutsch learning.

This sentence Das ist eine Frau

How do you identify what type of case is this? Nominative, Akkusative or Dative?

[plain umbra]

Your question might be hard for people to answer. When you say "what do you think of the sentence", what do you mean? Are you asking for a correction or something else?

[plain umbra]

A sentence doesn't have a case, but the nouns/pronouns in the sentence each have a case. In this sentence, you have "das" which is in the nominative case and "eine Frau" which is also in the nominative case.

The reason why they both have the same case is because the verb in the middle is "sein" (to be). When you use sein, then both nouns/pronouns on each side of the verb are nominative.

If you used a different verb, then that would change the case.

For example: ich sehe eine Frau. (I see a woman.) Now you have "ich" in nominative case because it's the subject, and "eine Frau" in accusative case because it's the object of sehen.

The object of sehen is always accusative.

[rigid nexus]

That maskes sense.. I was following this pic and based no which I was determining whether it is nom, akk or dative.

[plain umbra]

This chart is not wrong, but it might be hard to use to fully understand which case is being used.

For example, you can see that nominative and accusative are the same for neuter, feminine and plural, so it can be hard to tell the difference if you are going by this chart only.

You also have to understand about how cases are applied to objects of verbs.

[rigid nexus]

Right, I also have one more doubt.

As you said "sein" is nominative and "sehen" is akkusative. So do we have to remember this by hard that this kind of verb is akkusative or there is some trick to it, how to find.

[nimble viper]

Afaik all verbs that are nominative and all verbs that are accusative are strictly so, but it’s not usually helpful to think in that way; just get used to always putting the object in accusative (any thing that is affected directly by the verb). This will work for most cases barring dat/gen verbs and some exceptions

[rigid nexus]

I see.

[nimble viper]

The nominative is essentially where there is no difference between the subject and the potential object

[rigid nexus]

Vielen Dank! Basementality und Alp/Alpo!!

[nimble viper]

Ich bin ein Mensch, ein Mensch bin ich - see how there is no tension figuratively speaking

[rigid nexus]

Yes ⬆️ they both mean same thing.

[plain umbra]

For the majority of verbs with 1 object, the object is accusative. You only have to memorise the ones that don't use accusative. There are only a small number that use nominative (sein, werden, bleiben, heißen). For dative ones, I recommend to just save this list and, when you're ready, pick some verbs from it that you find useful and memorise them as having a dative objects: http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/reference/dative-verbs/

If you're a total beginner, don't rush to learn them all right away. Just save the list until you feel comfortable with basic sentences. Also, there are verbs which take a genitive object, but they are rarely used, and it's extremely unlikely you would need to use one as a beginner. So you can ignore it for now and just keep in the back of your mind that they exist.

[nocturne granite]

just if they see any errors

[real rivet]

"Du warst beinahe vollkommen abwesend." sounds better imo. But the sentence itself works, i think.

[nocturne granite]

danke sehr

[dusty scaffold]

is this correct?

[orchid spear]

No not really

[dusty scaffold]

is it liegen

[orchid spear]

I mean everything is incorrect

Except the second one

[dusty scaffold]

can you help me

[orchid spear]

Do you want the answers or should I explain it

[dusty scaffold]

can i get the answers

[real rivet]

wrong aswell 😛

[orchid spear]

Oh true haha

[orchid spear]

1. Pläne 2. an Wochenenden 3. liege 4. Viertel 5. heim/nach Hause 6. Licht

[dusty scaffold]

is hell not the same as licht?

[orchid spear]

@real rivet das zweite klingt immer noch nicht ganz richtig, passt das eh so

[orchid spear]

„Licht“ is the light (Nomen)

[real rivet]

[orchid spear]

„hell“ is bright (Adjektiv)

[dusty scaffold]

make sense

[woven wind]

any idea on "Bildungs- und Freizeitwerk der Industrie" --> what does it mean (and what does it do)?

[fervent kernel]

This specifies an employers or branches center for education and leisure activities

e.g. of a trade union, association or interest group (in this case of a specific industry)

[woven wind]

✅

[thorn zodiac]

Is the "aussehen" below clause not a subordinate? i was under the impression it was (the verb comes first thing after a subordinate clause)

"*Die Wörter, welche die Asiaten benutzen, sehen (für uns) sehr schwierig aus zu lernen."

[plain umbra]

No, the clause is "Die Wörter sehen (für uns) sehr schwierig aus", which is a main clause.

[thorn zodiac]

Ohh that makes sense now thanks

[long whale]

I'd also go for: ... sehen so aus, als ob sie für uns sehr schwierig zu lernen sind/wären/seien.

@thorn zodiac

[fervent kernel]

which site is this please,

[woven wind]

happen? --> shouldn't it be sth like "proceed" or "continue" ??

[fervent kernel]

No, this is correct for such a general statement.

Proceed you'd use if you described how you'd proceed after school

Hi! I can not take part in the casual please help

[fervent kernel]

#getting-started

ok

thanks so much

[gilded nacelle]

Forschen und suchen haben die gleiche bedeutung?

[bright sparrow]

nein

should I explain in german or english?

Im just gonna continue with english then. I dont know the exact translation for forschen in english but its more like a scientific research. Something you deeply focus on, whilst "suchen" can be in various meanings and situations. Mostly suchen is translated as searching. For example searching for your car keys (Ich suche nach meinem Autoschlüssel).

[gilded nacelle]

I prefer in german to learn more plz

[bright sparrow]

Gerne. Forschen ist eher so etwas wie wissenschaftliches Suchen.

Wo man viel Zeit investiert

Suchen ist wie ich schon vorher gesagt habe sowas wie "Ich suche nach meiner Tasche"

Hoffe das erklärt den Unterschied einigermaßen

[flint nimbus]

why is it

Gehen wir ins Kino!
but
Iche fahre zur Bank.

[bright sparrow]

Whats confusing about it?

[flint nimbus]

a bank and a cinema seems like the same kind of thing, and like there would be equal degree of entering them

[bright sparrow]

why the same kind of thing?

[flint nimbus]

i don't think i can explain it further than that

[gilded nacelle]

Ja i vorstehe jetzt danke schön ich kann sage dass in dem sinne sind gkeich aber in anderem situationen haben die unterchiedliche bedeutungen..

[bright sparrow]

Its "Ich fahre zur Bank"

[bright sparrow]

Ja

[flint nimbus]

so it's because of the verb?

fair enough that makes sense

[gilded nacelle]

Herzlichen dank

[bright sparrow]

Kein Problem

[bright sparrow]

Are you asking why Gehen is capatalized?

[flint nimbus]

no

[gilded nacelle]

This's about " Akkusativ and Dativ" i think

[flint nimbus]

it's ok i think i got it, because it's fahre, then it has to be zu rather than in

[bright sparrow]

Sorry if I dont understand your question. Im native but I know hardly any rules

Thats why I explain rather simple questions

ah now I got it

[flint nimbus]

it's ok sometimes just being able to ask whether something feels right is valuable as it is!
so in other words:

Ich gehe in die Bank.
would be correct as well then (changed to in die, because i changed from fahre to gehe)

[bright sparrow]

Yes that would be correct

You could also use zur

Ich fahre zur Bank

It basically means Im driving to the bank

Oh thats waht you did sorry

[flint nimbus]

Would Gehe and zur feel natural together as well?

[bright sparrow]

yes

[flint nimbus]

fahre and ins might be weird though, because it's not a drive-in bank

[bright sparrow]

but not everywhere

yes youre correct

thats what I thought aswell

[bright sparrow]

you could say "Ich fahre zur Arbeit"

[flint nimbus]

Ich gehe zur Bank.
does it work?

[bright sparrow]

yes

Ich*

[flint nimbus]

right thanks, changed it

ok good that aligns with my intuitions

[bright sparrow]

Good

[gilded nacelle]

Warum? Can you please explain to me i didnt understand

[bright sparrow]

What do you not understand? Its hard to explain otherwise

ive searched a little bit more and its based on the direct article before the noun

[flint nimbus]

gehen means more loosely "go to", fahren means more like "travel/drive to", in is for when it's something you enter, and zu is for when it's something you go to

[gilded nacelle]

When i can use ins and zur?

[bright sparrow]

the article Bank is die

there you can use zur

if its Kinos then das Kino, so zum Kino

[gilded nacelle]

Right

[bright sparrow]

"ins" is if you go directly into a building for example

"zur" is if you drive towards it

or to it

[gilded nacelle]

Allright thank you

[bright sparrow]

No problme, not sure if I always explain something the way you wanted, but let me know if you meant something different

[gilded nacelle]

And what about nach?

[gilded nacelle]

Nein Alles clar danke

[bright sparrow]

Give me an example please

[gilded nacelle]

Ich gehe nach hause

[bright sparrow]

I think you mainly use this if you connect it with locations

youre sentence is correct, but ive also thought about "Ich gehe nach Berlin"

yeah you only use it for countries or cities

the example with the home is just special

[gilded nacelle]

Yes its correct too i think

[bright sparrow]

Did this explain your question on when you use nach?

[gilded nacelle]

Yes its clear thanks

[bright sparrow]

No problem

[gilded nacelle]

Deutsch ist einbisschen schwer zu lernen

[bright sparrow]

Kann ich verstehen

Würde mir auch so gehen😂

Welche Sprach sprichst du?

[gilded nacelle]

Englisch, französisch und deutsch

Und du?

[bright sparrow]

englisch, deutsch und hatte mal französisch in der Schule

Ich finde Französisch auch schwer

Wollte ich aber immer mal lernen

[gilded nacelle]

Ja jaa stimmt ist auch schwer😂

[bright sparrow]

Frankreich oder ehemalige Kolonie?

[gilded nacelle]

Aber deutsch ist erstklassig

[bright sparrow]

(France or former colony)?

[bright sparrow]

schön das du die Sprache interessant findest

[gilded nacelle]

France

[bright sparrow]

wirklich cool

[gilded nacelle]

Ja

[bright sparrow]

Ich finde Französisch romantisch, vor allem wenn ein Mädchen es spricht😅

[gilded nacelle]

Looool😂😂

[bright sparrow]

sounds kind of weird right? But its because im a foreigner

have you ever been to germany?

[gilded nacelle]

No ever, what about you?

[bright sparrow]

I am german so I live here, yes. Ive travelled through France to England and in 2021 I was in Strasbourg

[gilded nacelle]

Ow interesting

Wo wohnst du welchem stadt?

[bright sparrow]

In der Nähe von Bielefeld

Und du?

[gilded nacelle]

Texas

[bright sparrow]

Also bist du in die USA umgezogen?

[flint nimbus]

Warum gehen sie so früh nach Hause?
why is it nach here, and why does Hause have the e here again?

is it something like because zu Hause means home and the e again is a remnant from the old dative ending?

[long whale]

"nach Hause" (towards home) and "zu Hause" (at home) are such common expressions, they've kept the obsolete -e which used to be added to masculine and neuter nouns in Dativ singular. Think about it - they are peculiar in English, too: You can't say "Darling, I'm work!" or "I'm school!", but saying "I'm home" (Ich bin zu Hause) is fine. ;)

[flint nimbus]

all right, just one of those things then

[long whale]

Yes, I'm afraid you kind of need to nail these two to your brain - they can't be changed, to the point where you'll just go adding instead of changing prepositions: Where did you have the party? (Wo habt ihr gefeiert?) - Bei mir/ihm/ihr, etc. zu Hause (At my/his/her home)

"Wir gehen zu mir nach Hause" (We'll go to my home) is another example.

[flint nimbus]

perhaps zu Hause / Nach Hause are best viewed as (at) home / homewards, rather than seeing the individual parts as having their original grammatical function then

although that example kind of immediately breaks the principle and makes it even stronger 🤔: whenever home is spoken of, it's always zu/nach Hause, either at or towards, but in sense, rather than being able to use that for direct translations (since it would add superflous words). The zu/nach are added also as agreement with the rest of the sentence, and not always as themselves providing the information

good to know! I'll add this to my study

ok, so this one then

Ich habe es noch nicht gemacht
would
Ich habe es nicht noch gemacht
be basically as good? The noch seems like it's not very obviously before nor after the nicht to me

[long whale]

No, doesn't work at all. There are some fixed combinations: [immer] noch nicht (not yet), nicht mehr (not anymore) (and probably more which I can't think of right now).

[flint nimbus]

oh really, interesting

btw i finished the whole series from yourdailygerman on word order and nicht placement now. It was super interesting!!!

i think i took this example from there, but i don't remember exactly what they said about it. One of the key insights they gave was that while nicht's placement is flexible (though changes the meaning of the whole sentence, or at least emphasis), there is one natural place for it to be, and that place is at the border between the "scenery" or background information of the sentence, and the more active part of it, the part actually describing the events that is happening after the scenery has been established, especially as viewed if we move the V2 verb to the back of the sentence

but it's not obvious to me whether noch should be part of the scenery or the activity, so to speak

i suppose it being a fixed combination tells us it should be viewed as part of the scenery for the sake of this viewpoint at least

[long whale]

You may enjoy trying to analyze these 2 then (which just occurred to me right now): Ich mache das noch nicht lange (I haven't been doing this for long) vs. Ich bin noch lange nicht fertig. (It'll be a good long while until I'm finished)

@flint nimbus

[flint nimbus]

i didn't quite get that, but looks like nice sentences! Would you add "yet/as of now" to the first sentence?

@long whale otherwise don't the german and english match even without the noch?

[flint nimbus]

a site i found on dative prepositions says this about bei: You can use it with stores, work, people’s houses (not your own) and parties just to name a few.
But in your example, it looks like my home, his home, her home, etc, are all treated as equal, and possible to use bei for?

[long whale]

No, I don't think I would... Once again, it seems to me, present perfect does in English what "noch" does in German. 🤔

[opaque egret]

Why is "ich habe mein Regal gebrochen" wrong why is zerbrochen used here

[long whale]

I think what they mean is that when you ask someone where they spent Christmas, the answer might be "bei meinen/seinen/ihren Eltern", and it would also mean "at my/his/her parents' [home]"

[long whale]

sich etwas (Akk) brechen is usually used for breaking bones in one's body -> though broken, they'll still be attached, right? A broken shelf will usually have broken apart, into 2 or more parts -> etwas (Akk) zerbrechen 🧁

[opaque egret]

Oh I see!

I'm so sorry I feel so dumb, guess I've only heard some versions of that word used

[long whale]

No need to apologize, how could you know? Some of those prefixed verbs can be quite tricky. ;)

[opaque egret]

Tysm

[flint nimbus]

so would

Er wohnst bei seine Mutter.
be a correct sentence?

[long whale]

Not quite: wohnt; seiner - otherwise, yes. 🧁

[flint nimbus]

oh, right! because bei is dative, my bad

[sullen gale]

I’ve shifted to writing all of my notes on German in German, and I wanted to double check these sentences here:

Sein und haben benutzen sich im Perfekt: and Gewöhluch, haben ist benutzt ins Perfekt, jedoch es sind Einzelfälle kannst du dich sein benutzen.

In case those end up being nonsense, I’m trying to say “Use of ‘sein’ and ‘haben’ in the present tense:” and “Usually, ‘haben’ is used in the present tense, however there are instances you can use ‘sein’.”

aw WAIT

I’m really dumb lmao when I said “Prazens” I meant “Perfekt”
brain is fried rn

fixed

[stiff girder]

I need slow German music for slow dancing

Can someone hook me up?

[sullen gale]

Maybe this? https://open.spotify.com/track/4QkZRbJ246NJZ68Da5a6Vi?si=ARwV4eoSRMSTKp0GwiuCMA&context=spotify%3Atrack%3A4QkZRbJ246NJZ68Da5a6Vi

https://open.spotify.com/track/2ykIyRuhWAF74Oz6lsHQRJ?si=mD0nKTWQT6K1-RFE_BI7DQ

[rare jetty]

"Rot" von Rin

[unkempt dust]

Hallo
i was wondering what is the difference between aktivitäten and tätigkeiten?

[woven wind]

reinhören=hineinhören ?? ---> to give a listen to sth ??

[long whale]

Yes.

[long whale]

I'd say we use "Tätigkeit" with activities connected to someone's professional life, while "Aktivitäten" is used for hobbies/free time pursuits.

[woven wind]

"am Freitag waren alle Azubis noch mal gemeinsam feiern" --> feiern sein ??? or gemeinsam sein (um zu) feiern ..

"... Deshalb sind wir **noch **viel in der Innenstadt von London unterwegs gewesen" --> noch viel: does noch here intensify "viel" ?

[long whale]

Go to #botchannel and check >faq omittance of movement verbs.

[long whale]

Can't say without having seen the previous sentence.

[woven wind]

ihr wollt wissen, wie wir die letzten Tage verbracht haben? zum Schluss sollten wir außer unseren Praktikumsplätzen noch was von dieser unglaublichen Stadt sehen. Deshalb sind wir noch viel in der Innenstadt von London unterwegs gewesen

[woven wind]

ok

[long whale]

Ah. So, noch refers to the time after they had finished whatever they'd been doing (a language course? A conference?), and before they had to leave the country/city.

[woven wind]

"ich kann so einen Auslandsaufenthalt **nur **weiterempfehlen" --> and how about the role of nur? is it a simple "only" there or does it have a any specific role?

[long whale]

Ich kann dir X nur empfehlen = I can recommend X unreservedly ;)

@woven wind

[woven wind]

wow, thankss

🙏

[long whale]

I understand you're trying to do everything possible to become better at German, and it's very laudable. However, if I were to explain all the things which went wrong in your sentence, it would take several walls of text, I'm afraid. In writing, it's best to stick to structures you're familiar with, and gradually acquire the knowledge which allows you to build more complex sentences. 🧁

[sullen gale]

Ah I see
Thank you
I’ll try to practice more with simpler sentences, in that case

[rigid nexus]

A1
Satz: I eat an apple.

When translated on deepl or google translator it always shows: Ich esse einen Apfel.
Why doesn't it show? Ich esse ein Apfel? Why does it always consider "an apple" as akkusativ objekt and not nominativ objekt?

[long whale]

It depends on the verb. And in German, whatever it is someone's eating will be in Akkusativ: "etwas (Akk) essen" = to eat something

[rigid nexus]

So verb is akkusativ!! Oh that makes sense. I had no idea which verb's are nomivativ and akkusativ.

[long whale]

If I remember correctly, only "sein" (to be), "bleiben" (to remain) and "werden" (to become) require Nominativ on both sides.

[rigid nexus]

Is there any way to identify that this particular verb is nom, akk or dative or we have to remember it by hard?

[rigid nexus]

oh okay. Danke sehr.

[long whale]

I'm afraid it's basically pretty random. Sometimes, you can make the structure of an English sentence fit its German translation, as in "to give a present (Akk) to somebody (Dat)", but that's a bonus, and not really reliable, I'm afraid. If it's any consolation, the verbs you learn as a beginner (sehen, hören, kaufen) require plain Akkusativ. Dativ verbs like "helfen" and "geben" will be pointed out specially in any beginner's course. Later on, you just check a dictionary to find out the structure required by a particular verb, its Rektion. And yes, you'll basically have to learn this structure by heart.

[rigid nexus]

Thanks for explaining. I'll be heeding your advice.

[flint nimbus]

i haven't gotten much to dative verbs yet! So far the ones i've encountered have been verbs that could take both, so for example helfen: "I help him clean the toilets", geben: "he gives her a present" in my mind it's dative because there is a receiver and the action that can follow naturally from just saying the verb. But idk if that's going to be a more generalizeable rule. Is it?

and frequently the action is not mentioned, but the dative is still there because of this

[long whale]

As I said, it's sometimes possible, and that's a bonus. But then, you get a frequently used Dativ verb like "gefallen", and it requires something like "X looks/seems pleasing to me" (X gefällt mir) to make it fit the "rule". So... 🤷

[flint nimbus]

gefallen seems to be a pretty weird verb etymologically and grammatically! Maybe it will be a fun challenge to figure out whether i can make it fit with what i said 🙂

[long whale]

@flint nimbus I just had a closer look at Laura's system, found 1 error (Sie Das ist eine Tulpe) and something downright nonsensical: classing animals as feminine. She might as well have claimed they were masculine, or neuter, especially considering a lot of German animal names are compound nouns using "der Bär" (der Waschbär = racoon), "der Hund" (der Seehund = seal) or "das Schwein" (das Meerschwein = guinea pig) :D

[flint nimbus]

i saw the animals thing as well and was unsure what to think of it! She included animals under masculine as well. Maybe she thinks they're typically masculine or feminine and rarely neuter (so neuter is mostly exception cases then)

Her having a few errors here and there is consistent with what i've seen before from this site. Thanks for checking it out!

[flint nimbus]

ok to make it dative would require quite a lot of work it seems... and possibly somewhat doubtful historical claims. But for the sake of my own remembering, i might think of it as "it has fallen into my liking" kind of construction, where liking would be the direct object

and the "my liking" part being skipped

[charred harbor]

Das Pferd, das Schaf, das Huhn, das Zebra, das Eichhörnchen, das Krokodil, das Walross
There's no shortage of neuter animals in German

I honestly have no idea what they're talking about

[flint nimbus]

ok, that's good to know!

[long whale]

Whatever floats your boat, sure. ;)

[flint nimbus]

is there a better resource for noun gender guidelines anyone is aware of?

idk if dative has been historically used in different ways in german grammar than it is now as well, which would make old idiomatic phrasings like this possibly even break rules that are otherwise quite strong

[charred harbor]

They're mostly pretty boring (I think) but there are a ton of videos on the topic on YouTube which are pretty accurate

[flint nimbus]

oh right i have a video like that, that i might return to then! but it's more difficult to quickly look something up from a video

[long whale]

No, no. Again: whatever floats your boat. If you find those rules useful, then by all means, keep using them. It's just... At some point, it seems to me it's more work remembering those rules (and don't let's get started on her plural rules, which simply make my head hurt) than just learning nouns with their gender and their plural, and be done with it. Especially considering there are some of those endings rules which apply to about 3 nouns in all, only 1 of which is frequently used, the other common one with this ending being an exception - that kind of thing. 🤷

[flint nimbus]

in general i'm learning the noun genders directly, but having these rules is a nice little compliment. It's not a good compliment if there are many mistakes in it though

for plurals i have mostly decided i think it's gonna come naturally. But again, with a little push from some of the stronger rules she gives, it might speed up the process some

the "rules" are strictly to help learning to actually use the language quicker. They are not in themselves learning how to use the language

i think one of the rules she gives is the vast majority of feminine plurals as -en, right?

that's a neat rule

[long whale]

The problem with "letting plurals come naturally" is - as I see from some very frequently asked questions here - if there is no change in the plural, people tend to be confused by the fact "der Lehrer" might be Nom. sg. or Gen. pl. when parsing sentences. But don't let that stop you. ;)

[flint nimbus]

sure, so there it's good to be aware and have a bit of guidance to quicken things up!

i'm used to plural and singular sometimes being the same from swedish

[flint nimbus]

what's the difference between nachher and später? Like in

Ich komme nachher zu dir.
and
Bis später
Could either be replaced for the other in these sentences? Why/Why not?

[verbal girder]

i think nachher means afterwards?

[flint nimbus]

but in the sample sentence, it's not afterwards anything in particular, which seems similar in concept to later

[thorn pelican]

I'll come afterwards - that's a perfectly valid english sentence. similar concept to later in that they both happen at some point in the future but nachher adds the meaning of you've got something to do beforehand whereas just saying später could be used in the context of i can't be assed to come right now

[long whale]

I think you're thinking of "danach" (after this)

[whole portal]

It's synonymous here

[long whale]

Yup, they're interchangeable.

[thorn pelican]

mache erst deine Hausaufgaben, nachher kannst du spielen

[long whale]

... später kannst du spielen/spielen kannst du später 🤷

[thorn pelican]

sentence came from the dictionary 🤷‍♂️

under 'nach diesem vorgang'

[flint nimbus]

susana isn't saying the sentence is wrong, she's saying später works interchangeably there as well

[long whale]

I just checked DWDS, and it lists "nachher" as a possible synonym for "danach" (after this). -> you can use both später and nachher for "at some later point (in the relatively near future)", and you can use both nachher and danach for "after this [thing mentioned before]"

[flint nimbus]

you daily german says this:

Now, the other word, nachher, refers to the same range of time as später. And many times, nachher and später are interchangeable.
But I feel like nachher sounds is a bit more specific. If you do know the exact time you will meet, nachher is the better pick, because it sounds more “aware of the date“. And später sounds more open and has more procrastination potential, if that makes sense.

[long whale]

Yes. I agree. I'd also argue "danach" is even more specific than "nachher" - it doesn't really leave a lot of time between activities, it's more like "once we've finished X, we'll [more or less immediately] do Z"

[flint nimbus]

also interesting that both of those need to be the same day and still decently soon the same day. Your daily german gives the example that if you have booked a late dinner reservation and you're speaking with someone at noon, then it might confuse them to say bis später, rather than bis abend. Like, i thought it was late dinner, and not in up to like 5 hours? I hadn't realized that from earlier sources

[flint nimbus]

Now, before we move one, I want to say a quick word about danach, beacuse I’m sure some of you are wondering about it.
Danach can translate to later as well, but it NOT mean the same as später or nachher because danach is what I call a pointer, not a name, and you need a reference point for it. (...) but you can keep it in the back of you head that you CAN’T use danach if you have no point in time to point to.
says it will be dealt with in a future article

[long whale]

Ehh... mm... I don't quite agree about the confusion. Especially considering the fact a lot of (older?) Germans would consider 7pm a "late dinner". As a side note, bis Abend doesn't really work (except perhaps in really sloppy texting?). It's usually "bis heute Abend".

[flint nimbus]

oh thank you! Yes, the sloppiness is on my part in this case. 🙂 Heute abend, it should be!

gonna take some getting used to that one for me

[fervent kernel]

Hi everybody!!

Sorry about the interruption but i would like to enquire about the usage of the name Luzi in German-speaking countries, particularly in Switzerland.

I’ve found myself in a dilemma of sorts; being in gender transition, I’ve come to the point where I choose a temporary gender-neutral name to use. This is the practice of the country I live in, and there is not a variety of choices to be made. I’m Luisa (Lujza in Slovak) and that is the name I would also like to have on my personal documents. Unfortunately, it is strictly a feminine-given name that I am only allowed to have once I finish the process at 18; I am currently 16 years old.

The name needs to be rather similar to Lujza to save me some trouble at school, for instance, where teachers could, albeit unlikely, insist on calling me by the name in the documents. The closest one Mum and I could find was Luzi; apparently, it is a gender-neutral name in Switzerland, and that is when my question comes into play: Is the name Luzi an arguably feminine name to use? I would rather I didn’t pick a name considered more masculine than feminine in the country and language of its origin. Despite the name’s pronunciation being [lut͡si], is it all right with you if I treat it as a kind of a nickname of Lujza and pronounce it as [luzi]?

Please let me know what you think! Thank you, I’m looking forward to all of your responses! I would be very grateful.

                                                                                                                                                 Luisa

[long whale]

If you pronounce it /luzi/ it will serve your purpose, because I would not even recognize that as a first name if I heard it, therefore, it would be entirely gender-neutral. However, if I saw it written, I'd automatically pronounce it as [lut͡si], and I'd also automatically assume it was a feminine first name (some version of Lucie, Luzie, Lucy). 🤷

But then, I think there's no easy way out of this - to my knowledge, there are extremely few gender-neutral first names in German. I can't really think of any more than Kim, Gert, Alex. @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

Thank you!! It just confused me a bit because when I googled it, i got some company in the results and the company’s founder was a man called Luzi. But it is probably not that frequent, I suppose.

[tranquil flower]

Diminutive/ pet name of Luzifer (?) 😅

[long whale]

Don't know about Switzerland, but in Germany, it's not frequent, at least not to my knowledge. Perhaps, Luca /luka/ might serve? I think it's a man's name in Italian, but a first name ending in -a is more typically feminine in German. @fervent kernel

So, either way, people wouldn't be surprised, I believe.

[tranquil flower]

According to the christian lore angels are supposed to be genderless, or not (?) 🤔👼

[verbal girder]

are you looking for a neutral name that is neutral in both slovakia and switzerland? (and thats very similar to your target name)

[fervent kernel]

In Slovakia, a name is officially considered to be gender-neutral if it is used as both masculine and feminine somewhere in the world.

The rates are irrelevant, there has only got to be evidence that, in my case, the name may be given to boys somewhere in the world.

That means sending administrative sites or getting it confirmed by a country’s ambassy.

[tranquil flower]

Or could you come up with a new name without associations?

[fervent kernel]

I cannot.

By the Slovak law.

Thanks a lot for the help, though!!💗

[tranquil flower]

Best of luck with the name and the transition!! 🤞

Maybe on Reddit you could reach a larger audience? @fervent kernel

[fervent kernel]

thank u so much!!

[flint nimbus]

Louis works as well. It's the masculine form, but the e is silent