questions-2

[reef moss]

The general phenomenon of any Wortart becoming a noun is called eine Substantivierung

But this does not exclusively refer to when you add an adjective ending to an adjective that becomes a noun. It refers (as I said before) to any word class becoming a noun

[autumn marsh]

jfyi, this also works but says something different, like: i got to know someone (that I already knew one way) differently

apart from that, it's like Lena wrote

[weak mist]

Thank you! Kind of like an adverb right?

[narrow pier]

Hallo liebe Leute, ich habe eine Frage ( oder Sie schauen persönlich bei uns vorbei ) kann man auch ( Oder Soe können persönlich bei uns vorbei schauen ), ich bin nicht sicher, wie kann ich zwei verben mit vorbei benutzen

English---> ( you can come visit us, at our office, that sentence) Drr originale Satz, war von einem Geothes Audios

[long whale]

oder Sie können persönlich bei uns vorbeischauen (it's a separable verb, i.e. it's joined up in infinitive)

[graceful crown]

Is gelehrsamkeit correct for learning or is it something else I’m not good some sentences&words yet:‘)

[long whale]

It's a very old-fashioned word.

[upbeat thicket]

that is a really fancy word meaning great, mostly scientifically based education, combined with a lively intellectual activity

[graceful crown]

Ohh

[upbeat thicket]

das Lernen would be the best translation for "the learning"
try Deepl.com - it's a great translator

[graceful crown]

Oo okay thank you!^^

[steel patrol]

Good afternoon! Just checking:

der Versuch - the attempt
but
die Versuchung - the temptation?

[long whale]

Yup.

[steel patrol]

Perfect, thanks:)

[dawn jackal]

kann jemand mir bitte ein Formular von Anfordung auf Kaution mir schiecken. ich würde auf meine Kaution mit Frist anfordern

[narrow pier]

Danke

Ich habe das Taschentuch von der Wand abgerissen ( Korrigiert mich bitte )

My teacher said, Abgerissen means to tear it, or putting an advertisement off of a wall , Idk how to say it in english exactly.

( Ich habe meine Ohr abgerissen ) ,

But the same thing for a paper, you eould use ( zerreißen ), so

Zerreißen---> ( Ich zereiße das papier ) its only used for paper,

[inner torrent]

Not really.

Abreißen (bzw. abgerissen)= to rip off a part of a bigger thing

Zerreißen= tear something into several pieces

It's a small difference

[upbeat thicket]

please don't crosspost. also please use Google for that issue.

[inner torrent]

So, "zerreißen" is not only used for paper, also for t-shirts or anything you can tear into pieces

[narrow pier]

Are my examples all false?

[inner torrent]

No the examples are correct, but the explanations (from your teacher) are not correct

[peak dagger]

dass oder das

ich bin ein Anfänger

[near folio]

Was ist der Kontext?

[peak dagger]

ermm.. in a subordinate clause?

i have learned some phrases

that have dass

Ich bin der Meinung, dass

i think

stuff like that

but would you just use 'das' when you are referring to something specific maybe?

[near folio]

dass introduces a subordinate clause to clarify some object (usually). It functions similar to that in English.
das in the context of a subordinate clause is a relative pronoun and refers to a subject or an object in the previous clause that has the neuter gender. It functions similar to which in English.

This site explains it in more detail with examples: https://yourdailygerman.com/difference-dass-das/

[peak dagger]

Vielen Dank

[narrow pier]

Man, I am planning to do B2 with him, and pass the test in October, but, when I second check his informations, and its false, it really bothers me

Hi, guys, so what is a big garden called in German ( not a normal garden, idk what its called in english, but its like 1250m big, usually has a hose in it, on the other side has many trees, big familys usually hang out there, for birthdays for Wochenende, but whats that called ?? )

[sullen apex]

does this sentence work
"Ich mag dieses Kleid, weil du sehr schön darin bist" or it has to be "Ich mag dieses Kleid, weil du darin sehr schön bist"

oh so it works kinda like "nicht" ?

no like you know when we are using "nicht" the emphasis depends of where we put "nicht"

"ich mag das Wetter nicht im Park" and "Ich man das Wetter im Park nicht"

so m i right ?

bout what i said at the beggining

ok tnx

[long whale]

Is it public or private? Are there any buildings on it?

[snow herald]

Can someone explain to me the difference between Aufwand and Kostenaufwand? I do understand meaning of both Aufwand and Kosten but I can' t understand meaning of the word Kostenaufwand. Thank you!

[half arch]

Btw we're talking about the noun "Kosten"

Not the verb

Just making sure they do

[snow herald]

So Kostenaufwand is synoym for Kosten? That was easy. Thx for help!

Phrase that was bothering me is höheren Kostenaufwand abfedern. I do understand it now. Thanks again.

[charred fog]

would it be appropriate to translate "Was ... angeht" as "When it comes to ..."

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, pretty much.

[steel patrol]

How much more (or less) formal is "entheben" than "entlassen"?

Based on the example sentences I've seen it used in thus far, I thought that may have been the case -- but then also when looking it up, DeepL gave me some synonyms for "relieve" which included "dismiss" and "sack" (a very colloquial word). So I wasn't sure what to make of it.

But thank you! 🙂

All right, in that case I shall treat it as such. Also nochmal vielen Dank 👍

[frozen matrix]

bitte werfen Sie dieses Buch in die Buchhandlung
Sie bekommen dieses Buch in der Buchhandlung
bitte gehen Sie in die Buchhandlung
can someone pls tell me why we have used "in die" in 1st and 3rd sentences but "in der" in second sentence?

no this helps, thank you!

[narrow pier]

Its a private property, only owned by a family which invites all of his other relatives to the weekrnds, or its owned by a bunch of family, I think the ( Wochenendgründstück ) makes sense ), but what if its also regularly visited, like to water the tress, not just on weekdays, does it have another name

[narrow pier]

Its private

[narrow pier]

Yes, I dont know if its called a buildimg, but its a house ( kitchen, bedrooms, living room ) generally that the case, because they need it for ( übernachten )

[long whale]

Ah, in that case, "[das] Wochenendhaus" would probably fit best, at least if the family really owns the place. (And yes, I can see how they'd be there not just at the weekend, at least in summer. The "Wochenend-" part just means they don't live there permanently.)

[narrow pier]

Yes thats exatly what I meant, thank you both @long whale @fervent kernel

[long whale]

If you decide to use the other word, mind the spelling: Wochenendgrundstück

[narrow pier]

Are they both used interchangeably?

[long whale]

Well, "das Grundstück" = a specific piece of land. So, it would depend on whether there's just a small shed/cabin (probably a wooden one) on it -> Wochenendgrundstück, or whether there's a real house on it -> Wochenendhaus

[narrow pier]

Sind diese Sätze korrekt ( Normalerweise, gehe ich mit meiner Familie in meien Freizeit, zum Wochenendhaus, dort spielen wir, Tischtennis, das Badminton, und dann machen wir eine Grillparty )

[long whale]

Verb? Do you really walk there? Mind the spelling of "mein-" with "Freizeit". No comma anywhere just put a full stop after "Wochenendhaus". "Badminton doesn't get an article.

[narrow pier]

Whats this called in german, please

[upbeat thicket]

Since this is Kurdish I'd assume it has no German name

[icy flax]

They seem a bit like Frikadelle. Check if the recipe is similar

[narrow pier]

Yeah, I can not find it in (Mynetdiary ), I was thinking, there are many turkish restaurants and shops, they may be selling it

[narrow pier]

Thank you, they are similat

Similar*

[icy flax]

Btw, Lena, we have "salada de batata" here. Germans call it Kartoffelsalat. We have "bife a milanesa", Germans call it "Schnitzel". Not because a dish is common to one culture that it wont exist with another name in other culture. Meanwhile we make "pastel" here, you will only find it by the name of "empanada" in Argentina.

[upbeat thicket]

Well I know but this dish seems very specific - unlike Schnitzel or Kartoffelsalat

[coral garden]

what does "schauma mal" mean? i know it's bavarian for schauen wir einmal, i just can't tell what it means

maybe "we'll see how it goes?"

[icy flax]

Ppl from the south say "mia" for "wir". It means "see we once". Its vibe is "lets see what we got here without any hurry, very chill"

[long whale]

Yes, or just "We'll see" or "Let's see". It's often said as a reply when somebody doesn't want to be nailed down: "Can you have that ready by tomorrow?" - "Schau ma mal" or "Will you give me a diamond ring for my birthday?"- "Schau ma mal"

[manic roost]

Does anyone know if there's a checklist of study topics for the various fluency exams (A1, A2, B1, B2, etc)? Like, not resources to learn them, just a list of required knowledge for each level? (Originally posted in #resources but i think this is a better channel)

[long whale]

Sure. Just google something like "CEFR levels German"

[manic roost]

That got me explanations of what each level means, but I'm looking more for a list of topics that I need to know (grammar, vocab, etc)

[manic roost]

Sorry, I forgot to hit the reply button!

[long whale]

Then go for something like "A1 (or whichever level you're interested in) Deutsch Grammatik Vokabular"

[manic roost]

Would this be what I'm looking for? It's hard to tell since it's all in German https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/A1_SD1_Wortliste_02.pdf

[long whale]

Wortliste = list of words/vocab -> yup ;)

[manic roost]

Awesome!! Thank you so much for the help! Dankeschön!

[long whale]

*Danke schön! ;)

[manic roost]

deepl hates me (Danke schön!)

[long whale]

No, it doesn't. :D It's just something many natives get wrong, because there is also the noun "das Dankeschön", which usually refers to some small present (flowers, chocolates, or bottle of wine) you give to someone to thank them for something.

[manic roost]

oh!! thats cute i love that. thank you for teaching me that!

[desert lily]

Any beginners that will like to make a smaller group to hold each other accountable and share updates? 😁 I feel like I do way better when I'm doing work with others in parallel.

[jaunty monolith]

Welche Übersetzung für "infested" wäre im folgenden Zusammenhang am passendsten? "This area is infected with kids"
"Dieses Gebiet ist mit Kindern verseucht"
"Dieses Gebiet ist mit Kindern befallen"
"Dieses Gebiet ist mit Kindern überlaufen"
Falls das nicht schon klar ist, möchte ich einen Vergleich zwischen Kindern und Viechern anstellen.

[upbeat thicket]

Beim zweiten Satz müsste es heißen "von ... befallen"

Möchtest du vergleichen zwischen Kindern und Viren oder Kindern und Viechern?

[long whale]

... and I'd also choose "von" for "überlaufen sein". This last one just means "there are more than there is room for". The others could be applied to pests, but "verseucht sein" has an extremely strong negative meaning -> IMO "befallen sein von" would work best.

[jaunty monolith]

Naja ich will, dass das extremely negative rüberkommt 🤣

Also wenn dem so ist, dann wäre "verseucht" wohl das richtige Wort

[jaunty monolith]

Welche auch immer am widerlichsten wären haha. Was sagst du?

[upbeat thicket]

Verseucht.
Vielleicht wären "kontaminiert" oder "infiziert" auch gute Wörter

[manic roost]

Sorry, I have another question! How do you all track your studies? Like I'm kinda looking for a productivity tool that will allow me to time my studies (so i can make sure i practice a certain amount every day) as well as like, log what I've studied

[jaunty monolith]

Danke!

[long whale]

Unpopular advice: spend less time thinking about how to study, spend more time actually studying. ;)

[manic roost]

unfortunately my ADHD gives me some real difficulty focusing, im basically looking for a productivity app to try and help solve that

i need to game-ify pretty much everything i do

[long whale]

Quizlet?

[manic roost]

I'll check that out, thank you!

[halcyon star]

Does ,Praxis' refer to practice such as ,Übungen', or is it more along the lines of medical practice?

[undone verge]

Praxis is more like practice, either practice as a system of actions or, as you mentioned, practice as in a medical practice/psychology practice, etc

(z.B. politische Praxis meinte ich mit der ersten Definition)

[halcyon star]

Sehr viel Danke!

[weak mist]

Also: Doctor's office

[narrow pier]

Hallo Liebe freunde, ich habe dieses Beispiel ( Das Shiff lag vo Neapal und das Ehepaar wollte die Stadt besichtigen ), Ich habe es in Deepl gesteckt, der Result war ( The ship was off Nepal and the couple wanted to visit the city )

aber ich habe vorliegen nachgeschaut und es bedeutet ( to be available ), so the meaning are contradicting each other

[undone verge]

ist in diesem Fall kein trennbares Verb

sondern das Verb 'liegen' und die Präposition 'vor etw.' (Lokal)

[narrow pier]

ohhh,

[narrow pier]

Ich mochte es überprüfen, Dankeschön💟

[narrow pier]

noch ein Frage bitte, ( in that sentence it means , they can not get to the ship, because it already took off, right? )

[undone verge]

hmm...idk, without context I wouldn't have assumed that.

[narrow pier]

oh ok

[undone verge]

I'm not a ship expert...but in my head it stirs the image of a ship 'parked' off of Nepal and maybe they wish to take a small rowboat into shore to visit the city. But it's tough to say...Nepal is a whole ass country (and land locked to boot), so without context kinda hard.

[narrow pier]

is this definition right, I was told, that Teekesselchen, just means, that the word has two meaning

Teekesselchen Last post 30 Jul 06, 14:12

Those words with the same pronounciation but different spelling and meaning, e.g. su

[undone verge]

oh lord 🤦

geography -100

at least it makes sense in that case 😂

[narrow pier]

I also did not know that, thanks @fervent kernel👍

[midnight plover]

@fervent kernel if u didn't know i'll leave it here

[narrow pier]

the question which of the two Nepals, is the correct one

[midnight plover]

my bad, srry

[narrow pier]

This is the whole context btw

[undone verge]

yeah, it's Naples and the sentence you posted just means that the ship docked/anchored off of Naples and the couple went into the city

[narrow pier]

Vielen Dank, aber unter Beachtung der Kontext, ( das Schiff lag vor ) kann eine andere Bedeutung haben, Ja?, ich denke, du hast das erwähnt ( for example it would have the meaning, to take off, like the ship sailing off, leaving ) Ich weiß nicht, was es genau heißt

[undone verge]

no, it takes off after they go into the city

'abfahren'

ship sails to naples, they go into the city, get in a fight and split up, ship leaves, woman jumps in to chase it thinking guy is aboard,flounders for 2 hours gets picked up by fishers. Turns out the guy wasn't on the ship anyway

[long whale]

No. There is 1 single meaning for "das/ein Schiff liegt vor + place name": the ship is anchored off [place name]

[narrow pier]

[hardy zinc]

Hallo. Wie verbalisiert man einige Nomen, dessen Verbformen ich nicht weiss? z. B. "Matura"

[long whale]

Under "Bedeutung" you'll find "Kollokationen": https://www.dwds.de/wb/Matura

[hardy zinc]

Danke

[verbal cape]

are permitted to construct

[proven sphinx]

Huh?

[verbal cape]

do it now

[fervent kernel]

Its weshalb>wieso>warum in terms of formality, right?

[timid vector]

I think wieso and warum are equal but weshalb is slightly more formal

depends on the person's personal taste

[weak mist]

Weshalb has other uses as well

[proven sphinx]

Weshalb is more like "for what reason", I suppose.

[fervent kernel]

can you give an example where weshalb can be used and warum/wieso cant please

[weak mist]

Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen, weshalb er zu spät zur Schule kam. =Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen, weswegen er zu spät zur Schule kam. =Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen, sodass er zu spät zur Schule kam.

https://deutschegrammatik20.de/komplexer-satz/ubersicht-satzverbindung/satzverbindung-weshalb/#:~:text=weshalb vs.&text=sodass-,Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen%2C weshalb er zu spät zur,zu spät zur Schule kam.

From this website

[fervent kernel]

so are deshalb and weshalb interchangeable here

[steel patrol]

If I wanted to say something like "ich suche nach einem neuen Buch, und zwar (nach?) einem spannenden!" would I need the second "nach" there or should I leave it out?

[proven sphinx]

You can leave it out.

[steel patrol]

Ok. And just to be sure, if I were to have it there, would that make the sentence grammatically incorrect?

[proven sphinx]

Of course not. It's just as correct.

[steel patrol]

Achso. So it just sounds better/more natural without it then?

[proven sphinx]

I think both are equally acceptable.

[steel patrol]

I see... Right, thank you very much!

[fervent kernel]

Would This make Sense?

Sachen, die ich hochheben kann:
Dich,deine Möbel, dein Kühlschrank,dein Bett, deine Laune

I wanna make a pun Like "Things i can lift Up" "the fridge" " your mood"

Like that

arigato

[weak mist]

Sort of, there is a different emphasis and syntax though

Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen, deshalb kam er zu spät zur Schule.

(He slept too much, with the result of that he was late to school)

Peter hat heute Morgen verschlafen, weshalb er zu spät zur Schule kam.

(He slept too much, which is the reason why he was late to school)

[steel patrol]

I just learned the word "Anlass". Is it any different from Veranstaltung or Ereignis?

[undone verge]

Anlass is like 'occasion'

[steel patrol]

So it's pretty general and doesn't actually have to be an 'event'? For example, could I use it in the appropriate translations of these sentences?:

"Although pizza is my favourite food, on this occasion I'll let you have the last slice" or "my train to work tends to arrive late. On such occasions I have to take a taxi"

[undone verge]

tentative yes

I think it could work in both of those sentences

[steel patrol]

@undone verge Alright, thanks for your help 🙏

[pure basin]

So, a way I find helps me know wether to use accusative or dative is by some words. E.g. after "mit" i use Dative and after "für" I use accusative. Is this actually correct?

[timid vector]

yes

[undone verge]

that is true for those prepositions. There are lists of prepositions that only take dative or accusative. However, there are also prepositions that can go either way (Wechselpräpositionen)

[timid vector]

all prepositions determine case

[pure basin]

Ok

Thanks

Can "aber" and "doch" be used the same in that they mean "but"

[fervent kernel]

Yes sometimes

[pure basin]

So.. I can say "Ich gehe zur Schule aber nicht am Wochenende. But can I say "Ich gehe zur Schule doch nicht am Wochenende"? (Correct other Grammer if wrong)

[timid vector]

doch doesn't really fit there, it's more of a "on the contrary" type of "but"

imo at least

[pure basin]

Oh ok

That makes sense

Can it be used as a word for "yet"

Google translate says it as "yet"

[timid vector]

yeah it can

[pure basin]

Thanks

[stone forge]

How do you practice on a certain topic? I am at perfekt and I do not know where to further work with this except on my kursbuch

[timid vector]

google.com "(Grammatik-)Übungen zum Perfekt"

@stone forge

oder was auch immer du lernen möchtest

[long whale]

"doch" is also a version of "jedoch" (a connector meaning variously "still, but" or "in spite of this")

[twilit umbra]

what does adding -den to a verb do?

[long whale]

-> Partizip 1 (often translates to verb-ing[ly])

die fahrenden Autos = the moving cars (i.e. the cars which are being driven at a given moment)

[twilit umbra]

ah ok thanks

[fervent kernel]

"Guten Tag gnä’ Frau, habe die Ehre"

Hey guys, could you please tell me what gnä' means?

[upbeat thicket]

Seems to be an abbreviation of "gnädige" which means gracious

[fervent kernel]

Thanks!!

[cunning jackal]

Would someone be able to explain the construction of the word versuchen to me? Specifically, I don't understand what purpose ver- serves here. I'm trying to work on my understanding of German prefixes and this one eludes me. I believe to try is an alternative use of suchen, but in that case what does the ver- add and what is the difference between suchen and versuchen?

[undone verge]

I would just learn them as two completely separate verbs.
suchen = look for something
versuchen = attempt/try

[proven sphinx]

There are way too many words like that in German, unfortunately. The prefix tends to basically turn one word into a completely different word.

Another rather extreme example is "anfangen" (to begin/start) vs "fangen" (to catch).

@cunning jackal

I'd suggest you learn each one of those words separately.

There really isn't any general rule you can apply to them.

[quaint crow]

Ok

[cunning jackal]

Does the ver- prefix serve no purpose in this case? I can understand what it means in most other cases (i.e. verlaufen), but not here.

[proven sphinx]

It does serve a purpose, since it creates a word that is entirely distinct from just "suchen". Generally, "ver-" has the meaning of something that goes wrong or is twisted in some way, but that doesn't seem to be the case for "versuchen".

Almost all other words with ver- have some kind of negative meaning: verbannen, versagen, verletzen, verdammen... But there are some that are neutral or even positive: vertragen, verbinden, versuchen

[cunning jackal]

I see. So it sounds like it's not really a prefix in the traditional sense of having an explicit meaning, but rather just a way to create a new word.

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, exactly.

[cunning jackal]

Would versuchen fall under #2 here?

[proven sphinx]

Maybe it did once upon a time, but I assume that over the centuries, its meaning has diverged to the point that no connection between "suchen" and "versuchen" can be seen anymore.

[cunning jackal]

Very confusing - but I think I got it now. Thanks for your help!

[proven sphinx]

You should really just learn those words separately. It's extremely difficult to derive any actual meaning from most of these prefixes.

[cunning jackal]

I suppose that might be best in this case. I generally struggle with pure memorization. I often find it much easier to break things down, learn the individual pieces, and be able to recognize them when trying to recall what a word means. I can see that isn't really possible here. I'll load it into Anki and get it eventually 😅

[proven sphinx]

I mean, some do have some very clear meanings, like miss- which works like English mis- in that it corresponds to doing something the wrong way.

missachten, misstrauen, missverständlich, Misserfolg

[fervent kernel]

[weary panther]

Is there a term of endearment for people’s kids? Similar to mijo/mija (my son/daughter) in Spanish, but in German?
Or how some people just call others “kid” in English if they are younger than them? Ex: “I’m proud of you, kid.” or something like that? Does that exist in German language or culture?

[upbeat thicket]

Maybe "Kleiner, Kleine", I'm not sure...

[weary panther]

Thank you!

[narrow pier]

Hallo Leute ( Deutschen Fernseher gucken, ist einer der Beste weg, Deutsch zu lernen. Ich hätte das früher machen sollen ) richtig oder falsch ?könnten mich korrigieren bitte

[fervent kernel]

"Deutsches Fernsehen zu scheuen, ist einer der Besten Wege, deutsch zu lernen. Ich hätte das früher machen sollen."

• und nein ist es nicht haha

[narrow pier]

Vielen dank

so if you say ( I wish that house was mine, or I wish I could have been rich like my friend ) ich hätte das Haus mein zu sein and I hätte, Ich wäre wie reich wie mein Freund

[fervent kernel]

"Ich wünschte dieses Haus wäre meines/Ich wünschte ich wäre so reich wie mein Freund" (I think it's "wünschte" and not "wünsche" because the latter is directed at something/someone specific and implies actual hope for change)

[narrow pier]

what if its hoping for something, that not going to happen, would the word change like ( I wish I can go back 30 years from now )

[fervent kernel]

yeah, but it implies that you think you have an actual chance of getting your wish granted

[narrow pier]

yeah, I think I get you, but there are wishing to unreal things to happen, and real thing to happen, but I guess, you would use the same word

[narrow pier]

so I asked for those two sentences, in hope, of using hätte, but it did not happen, maybe I would have to reformulate it or that sentence , does not fit with ( hätte )

[fervent kernel]

yes like most persons would say "I wish I could win the jackpot in the lottery" instead of "I wish I can"

[narrow pier]

[fervent kernel]

well, only if you use the literal meaning "own" and restructure accordingly, elsewise "hätte" can only be used for a (unrealistic) wish for the past: e.g. "hätte... gewonnen"

[narrow pier]

Hello, Guys So I have wrote, in Anki, that thr verbs with change of movement in them, will use ( sein ) for.making ( Partizip II)

Is that imfo right, and all the verbs in that note use ( sein ) right?

[long whale]

Yes, except for 1 thing: "wachsen" = to grow; "aufwachsen" = to grow up ;)

[narrow pier]

Thank you very much

[narrow pier]

To wake up - aufwachen ( only the* s * differentiates them )

[long whale]

But the pronunciation is quite different: "chs" = /ks/ (The letter combination is really rare, but where it does occur, the "ch" is not pronounced in either of the 2 usual ways) ;)

[narrow pier]

I think I get it, with using Leo,

[narrow pier]

Danke für den Tipp

[narrow pier]

First ---> die Baustellen sind auch oft weit entfernt von meiner Stadt
Or
Second --> die Baustellen sind weit von meiner Stadt entfernt
( First ones eord order or second ones word oreder ) which one is correct, the dirst onw was in my Anki

[undone verge]

I like the second one better (though the words 'auch' and 'oft' have disappeared)

[long whale]

In spoken German, you'll often hear the 1st version. The 2nd is the grammar-book way, and it's certainly correct. ;)

[storm cairn]

"Die Baustellen sind auch oft weit von meiner Stadt entfernt" this one feels most natural to me when spoken

[fervent kernel]

Both versions are ok. With "auch" and "oft" you give extra information. Make sure that this information is wanted or needed or leave it away.

[narrow pier]

Thank you guys @fervent kernel @storm cairn @long whale @undone verge

[snow herald]

What is the meaning of the noun Aufrüsten?

[storm cairn]

upgrade - usually used in military and computer/technic context

e.g.: I upgraded my computer => Ich habe meinen Computer aufgerüstet

[snow herald]

Is it possible that in military context Aufrüsten could stay for armament? The phrase that bothers me is das militärische Aufrüsten.

[storm cairn]

yes

[charred fog]

that's a terrible way to learn that

it's too much info for just one card

also by the way it's "Deutsche Wörter" (or in some different contexts "Deutsche Worte" but that wouldn't make sense here)

[maiden badge]

Ich habe eine Frage:

1. Herr Maurer kann Fragen zu Computerproblemen beantworten.
   2.Herr Maurer kann Frau Müllers Fragen zu Komputerproblemen antworten.
   Sind die beide Sätze richtig?

[undone verge]

the first one is right. the second would be alright if you switched 'antworten' to 'beantworten'

oh and Computerproblemen

obviously

[maiden badge]

If I say: Herr Maurer kann Frau Müller zu Computerproblemen antworten. Will it be alright? Antworten is used on indirect object, right?

[upbeat thicket]

change the "zu" to "auf" -> jemandem auf etwas antworten not jemandem zu etwas antworten

[maiden badge]

Herr Maurer kann Frau Müller auf Computerproblemen antworten. (?)

[upbeat thicket]

And the plural of Probleme is die Probleme (with out an "n")

[maiden badge]

Herr Maurer kann Frau Müller (indirekt Objekt: dativ) auf Computerprobleme (direkt Objekt: Präposition+Akkusativ) antworten.
Herr Maurer kann die Fragen (direkt Objekt: Akkusativ) zu Computerproblemen (indirekt Objekt: Präposition+Dativ) beantworten.
Did I break it down correctly?

[upbeat thicket]

Perfect.

[maiden badge]

You guys have been a great help in my learning journey :))

[undone verge]

I would have one small correction: the prepositional phrases are neither direct nor indirect objects 🙏

[maiden badge]

I don't understand, could you please elaborate more on this?

[undone verge]

prepositional phrases like 'auf Computerprobleme' or 'zu Computerproblemen' are not objects. They are a separate grammar thing.

[fervent kernel]

Nichts fürchtet er so wie die Wahrheit, die er längst weiß, aber noch immer leugnet. "Nothing feared he more than the truth, that he already knew, but yet still dined". Can some one tell me if this is correctly translated (not word for word, just the meaning). Translator is having some trouble with this sentence and I don't trust it.

[upbeat thicket]

Nothing does he fear [present!] more than the truth, that he has long known, but still denies.

[clear jolt]

was ist der Unterschied ?

1. Ich lerne schon 2 Jahre Deutsch
2. Ich lerne Deutsch schon 2 Jahre

[undone verge]

I would include the preposition 'seit' with something that you've been doing for x length of time (and are still doing)

[kindred tendon]

could someone help me speak german i can read it but not speak it im in Practice room

[viral jolt]

what are you expecting from us exactly

if you want the basic phrases, spending an hour or so (which you would've needed in the VCs anyway) on Duolingo or Seedlang might help learn the common expressions

[worthy walrus]

[verbal cape]

#report-issue

<@&305455824174710787>

jou not mod

[fierce idol]

Well, how can we help?

[sullen apex]

Was ist besser und warum
"ihm wird geholfen" oder "ihm wird es geholfen"

[vast violet]

ihm wird geholfen
Wenn du angeben willst, wobei er Hilfe braucht, sagst du - ihm wird bei etw. geholfen.

ihm wird von jemandem beim Segeln geholfen, zB

[undone flame]

Met someone who capitalized "Du" in his text to me. I thought only Sie is capitalized...Should I have capitalized du when texting back?

[fervent kernel]

except from the beginning of a sentence you'd do that in business if you are not to close to the recipient but you agreed on saying "du" or I think if it's a letter that is going to be archived. Also if you send someone special regards (e.g. birthday, Christmas, ...)

[undone flame]

Ah it was just someone I casually met online and started texting with, and we are similar in age so I just thought du was ok 😶 I hope I didn't do anything rude by accident lol

[fervent kernel]

umm no I think it was most probably a mistake, then

[undone flame]

Haha ok good to know. Danke!

[fierce idol]

To answer your question regarding the useage of sein or haben with verbs in Perfekt @vagrant lake, it depends on the verb. There are some rules to it though. Give me a moment

[boreal tiger]

Just in case

[fierce idol]

(http://germansteps.com/german-grammar/perfect-tense-sein-oder-haben/)

@vagrant lake, please have a look at the things above that Retro and I posted here and let us know if you still have questions~

[vagrant lake]

Nominativ is the subject (what, who)
Akkusativ is object (whom, what)
dativ is object (to whom, for whom)
and what about Genitiv?

i can just learn it from google, i know it, but im too lazy to go into Google

[boreal tiger]

Google is your friend

[fervent kernel]

also object(whose)

I think Genitiv is like saying “my” thing, is that correct?

[vagrant lake]

so mein is genitiv,?

[fervent kernel]

yes

[vagrant lake]

SO TILL NOW POSSESSIVPRONOMEN WHICH I KNOW AS THEY ARE POSSESSIVPRONOMEN ARE GENITIV CASE?

shi nig

[stone forge]

What's the difference between "bis morgen" and "ab morgen" when answering questions "Wie lange...?" and "Ab wann...?", respectively?

[fervent kernel]

bis = until; ab = from(temporal)/beginning at

[undone verge]

ab wann = from when

so ab morgen is 'from tomorrow' (onward)
bis morgen = until tomorrow/by tomorrow

[spring breach]

is ÿ a normal graph for eszett or is this just spotify being goofy as per usual

[upbeat thicket]

doesn‘t even make sense with an ß in that place…

what the hell😂

[half arch]

If those are spotify lyrics, they may be wrong...

[steel patrol]

Are "unterschreiben" and "unterzeichnen" interchangeable?

[half arch]

they basically mean the same, yes

[steel patrol]

Ok, thanks.

[spring breach]

😭

[spring breach]

they’re correct I think it’s just because I cut it off

there’s more text that follows

[undone flame]

He (native Austrian) keeps doing it so idk, it seems kinda intentional. I'm confused LOL

[timid vector]

some people capitalize Du (and other forms Dich Dein Dir etc) when using text based communication but usually its for emails and stuff not phone texting

idk maybe he just wants to be quirky

[grave bay]

hola

[bronze dagger]

Hey, what is dog in german?

[errant carbon]

hund

[bronze dagger]

Thank you!

[upbeat thicket]

For simple translations please use a dictionary instead of asking here

[plain umbra]

@vagrant lake In case it's useful, you can also find this information in an FAQ here.

faq past tense

[stoic mauve]

Perfekt

How to form the Perfekt tense

The Perfekt tense is formed by combining an auxiliary verb (haben or sein) with the past participle form of the main verb.

For example, if I want to write the past tense of “essen”/“to eat”, such as in the English sentence “I ate”, I first need to know the auxiliary verb that goes with essen (which happens to be haben), and the past participle form of essen (which is gegessen).

I can then combine them with the usual verb conjugation and word order rules, as such:
Ich habe gegessen. -> I ate. / I have eaten.
Ich habe das Brot gegessen. -> I ate the bread. / I have eaten the bread.

How to determine the past participle?

Just look it up in the dictionary! There are a few general patterns you can also learn about, but a dictionary will pretty much always list the past participle somewhere near the verb itself.

When to use haben and when to use sein as the auxiliary verb?

The basic rules are:
• Transitive verbs (verbs which take an accusative object) use haben
• Intransitive verbs which describe a change of location or change of state use sein
• Other intransitive verbs use haben

This may not be a 100% reliable set of rules, so if in doubt, you can always use a dictionary to verify the correct auxiliary. Also note that there are a few regional variations.

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[narrow pier]

Hallo, Ich habe lange nach diesen Satz ( when I walk up to someone ) gesucht, und jetzt habe ich er auf eine Easy German vedio gefunden, und er war ( und sie läuft auf mich zu ) , das bedeutet --> when she walks up to me,

Aber was ist der Stammverb ( to walk up to someone) ich kann ihn nicht gefunden

[long whale]

Vowel change: "auf jemanden zulaufen"

[undone verge]

auf jdn. zulaufen?

[long whale]

ich habe lange nach diesem* Satz gesucht, und jetzt habe ich ihn... Video...

[charred harbor]

(Also “eine Video” should be “ein Video” FWIW)

[long whale]

Well... in einem Video... ;)

[narrow pier]

Danke

[charred harbor]

In that context yeah

[narrow pier]

Wenn ich auf meine jemanden auf der Straße zugelaufe , Sage ich zerst immer Hallo ( oder --> Mache ich immer meiner Begrüßung )

So I wrote this write now, is it correct?, and I had aslo a grammer question please, its ( meiner Begrüßu ) in that context, its dativ, right,

If its not, how would I know, if I made the right question ( for the cases )

[long whale]

"when I did X yesterday, I always do Y" doesn't make any sense whatsoever... 🤔

"on the street" -> auf + Dativ

[charred harbor]

The tenses don’t align

[narrow pier]

Yes they really do not align

Is it fine now

[long whale]

meine; zugelaufe is the wrong form/doesn't exist; sage ich zuerst... mache ich immer meine Begrüßung doesn't work

[fervent kernel]

Das Leben ist zu kurz für schlechte Restaurants. Warum nicht „schlechten“

[fervent kernel]

plural, accusative

[fervent kernel]

and also it's indefinite; if definite it would be "die schlechten Restaurants"

[long whale]

adjective declination for no article + plural ;)

[fervent kernel]

Jaa I was just looking at the adjective conjugation tables. And I was looking at it wrong because I was looking at "definite Plural". And it's "indefinite

Someone had very Bad idea to delete pictures option from this channel

[fervent kernel]

Language tests can be taken right from b2 e.g. Do I have to do a1, a2, b1 before that?

[long whale]

No.

[fervent kernel]

No i have to did a1 a2 before. Or No i can start from b2?

[long whale]

No, you don't have to take the exams for the lower levels. If you are B2, if a B2 certificate is what you need, you just take the B2 exam.

[fervent kernel]

🤙🏻❤️

[pure basin]

Is there a German equivalent to "well". E.g. "Well, what do you think?"

[fervent kernel]

"Nun" as an example

as in "now"

[pure basin]

Ok

Thanks

Why can Zwei be pronounced as "zwo"

[upbeat thicket]

It is often used in announcements or by radio so it can be distinguished better from „drei“

[pure basin]

Ok

[fervent kernel]

also for countdowns

[pure basin]

Thanks

[inner torrent]

That's dialect

I guess

[delicate tiger]

more of a "loud environment/radio/telephone and I need to be understood" thing (same as "fünnef" for "fünf")

[inner torrent]

I never heard "zwo" or "fünnef" here in Austria😄

[fervent kernel]

I assume it's similar to how in English we say 'niner' rather than 'nine' to distinguish it in hard-to-understand environments

[narrow pier]

Hi guys, I have a major problem, I am trying out many highlighter extensions ( for Websites especially ) but it just does not work for German, I had absolutely no problem before, but now I just can not find a good highlighter ( I need it to highlight German words in an article ), if anyone has information, please help me

[undone verge]

do you work for atc

[fervent kernel]

I'm a pilot 😅

But still, same concept ay :p

As in niner vs zwo/fünnef

[narrow pier]

Der Fachkräftemangel betrifft schon heute viele Berufe des Handwerks. Auf der anderen Seite sind die Auftragsbücher der Unternehmen voll, denn für Handwerker gibt es immer was zu tun. Das verschafft jungen Handwerkern beste Aussichten auf dem Arbeitsmarkt. Eine berufliche Ausbildung und die damit verbundenen Qualifikationen schützen langfristig vor Arbeitslosigkeit. Und durch Fortbildungen wie den Meister oder Techniker hat man ein geringeres Arbeitslosigkeitsrisiko als Akademiker, so Zahlen des Instituts für Arbeitsmarkt- und Berufsforschung (IAB).

( Hello, was wonderin if the words are complicated, like are advanced vocabularies used here, )

[timid vector]

also tja

but it doesn't fit always it's more of like a negative well I think 🤔 ppl say it's really versatile tho

[viral jolt]

imo no, not too complicated

[upbeat thicket]

Also [common], Also gut, Nun

[narrow pier]

okay thanks

[stuck pendant]

My grammar book says that the ackusativ goes before the dativ if the akkusativ is a personal pronoun like in ”Ich hole ihn meinem Vater”. Does that hold when the dativ also is a personal pronoun?

”Ich hole meinem Vater einen Apfel” -> ”Ich hole ihn ihm”?

[timid vector]

it goes accusative pronoun>dative pronoun>dative noun>accusative noun

so yes ur example is right

[stuck pendant]

Oh ok cool

Is that something general for sentence structures?

Or maybe it is only really appliable in this case

[timid vector]

no it's for all verbs that have multiple objects

unless you wanna put something first (before verb) for emphasis

[stuck pendant]

Ok thanks!

[stuck pendant]

Would you mind elaborating what you mean here? Maybe an example

[timid vector]

"Das Buch gebe ich ihm" instead of "Ich gebe ihm das Buch"

[stuck pendant]

Ah ok yeah makes sense

Thx again

[narrow pier]

Rund zwei Drittel der Auszubildenden werden von ihren Ausbildungsbetrieben übernommen. ( Hello, this is from the same article, I remeber yesterday I used ( übernommen ) instead of using ( überwältigen ), in context of overcoming something,

but he gave me an example on how to use ( übernommen ) correctly, and told me, do not use it, because he said, in his entire life, he only heard it twice, so does this show, this article was written in a very high german??

[undone verge]

übernommen here means 'taken over' in the sense of getting employed by the companies they did their apprenticeship at

I wouldn't say it's that uncommon though 👀

certainly not gehoben

[narrow pier]

so did you hear it, every now and then or sometimes,

and thank you

[narrow pier]

what do you mean, by gehoben here?

[undone verge]

gehoben is just a word meaning 'high/raised' like really fancy talk

[narrow pier]

oh, ok

[narrow pier]

and the sentence you I sent, I think it means ( the companies who give the Ausbildung, they will hire you by themselves ) like at the same place, where you had the Ausbildung, after you graduate, you would work there too

[dry olive]

Wenn man den Passiv in der Zukunft benutzt, wendet man ‚werden‘ zweimal an? es klingt einfach komisch 😭

zB ‚ich werde in zwei Jahren getötet werden‘

[timid vector]

formell ja aber meistens nein

[dry olive]

ich bilde mich ein dass man vielleicht ein bisschen unstrenger sein kann, und einfach aufs zweite ‚werden‘ verzichten..?

und vielleicht ein Adverb nutzen um die Zeit zu zeigen

[timid vector]

"in zwei Jahren" bezieht sich schon auf die Zukunft also ist das zweite "werden" nicht notwendig

aber bei einer Prüfung würde es als Fehler gewertet werden, wenn man das zweite nicht schreibt

[dry olive]

danke!

[ancient pulsar]

Da gehe ich halt nach Hause.

What is the meaning of da here?

i have not seen it used like that, i just knew *because * and *there * versions

[upbeat thicket]

What's the context of the sentence?

[ancient pulsar]

Die Party is vorbei.

i guess it is used as then?

[upbeat thicket]

Here it could be used as a conversation opener, before explaining something

It means like: jetzt / dann

so, yes: Well then I will be going home.

[ancient pulsar]

would that sentence be less natural without halt?

specifically, the usage of da

[upbeat thicket]

Well using modal particles makes you sound more natural/native-like

You could say: Dann gehe ich eben nach Hause

[ancient pulsar]

so is ´da and halt somehow connected, like usually used together like that

[upbeat thicket]

Hm not necessarily; "da" wouldn't have been my first choice

I'd use "dann" as it has more focus on the time aspect

for me I usually have local associations with "da" (there)

[ancient pulsar]

then this explains the intention actually very well. i believe my native language also has a similar case

[ancient pulsar]

i meant to reply to this

danke

[fervent kernel]

is it anki or does german have like 4 words for agree

zustimmen vereinbaren abmachen sich einigen

[timid vector]

same way "agree" has multiple definitions and dozens of synonyms, german does too

[fervent kernel]

ok fair enough, but agree is used 80% of the time in english, so which one is used 80% in german?

are are einigen and sich einigen the same?

[icy flax]

The idea is similar, but "einigen" is when people, societies, countries get together to form a unit, a "Einheit", a union

sich einigen is mostly in the sense of getting together to a common understanding of a matter.

Here they subdivide it further and I find their examples pretty natural.
https://www.dwds.de/wb/einigen

[fervent kernel]

What's a better way to Say "ich habe darüber nicht nachgedacht? Like das ist mir entfallen

Like " i totally missed that Part where you" "mir ist ..... Wo du..."

[undone verge]

it is unclear what you want to say: I didn't think about it? It slipped my mind? Or I missed a part of what you said?

If you didn't understand what someone said in the moment: ich habe das nicht (richtig) mitbekommen.

etwas ist mir entfallen is a normal way of saying something slipped your mind

[fervent kernel]

Wenn man ins meinen Zimmer reinkommt, wird man einen großen Schrank sehen, der auf die rechte seite von der Tür ist. An der linken seite steht mein Schreibtisch an der Wand. Gegenüber den Schreibtisch ist ein große Fenster, durch dieses Fenster sehe ich ein Haus meinen Nachbarn.✅ ❌

[long whale]

Neither English nor German permits you to say "in [to] the my room" (ins = in + das). The ending of the possessive must be neuter Akkusativ ("meinen" has the wrong ending). "on the right side" -> use "auf" instead of "an", and use Dativ instead of Akkusativ. "side/Seite" is a noun -> capitalize. Use "auf" for the left side as well. Gegenüber + Dativ. In "my neighbours" the ending of the possessive is wrong, and if you say "a house", it means you only have 1 neighbour, but he has several houses. ;)

[fervent kernel]

Wenn man in mein Zimmer reinkommt, wird man einen großen Schrank sehen, der auf der recht__en__ **Seite **von der Tür ist. **Auf **der link__en__ **Seite **steht mein Schreibtisch an der Wand. Gegenüber **dem **Schreibtisch ist ein großes Fenster, durch dieses Fenster sehe ich das Haus **__meines __**Nachbarn.

[long whale]

Okay, 1st sentence: why would "on the right side" (wrong case) have different endings than "on the left side" (correct case)?

Still not correct...

[fervent kernel]

✅

[long whale]

Ah, yes. Now, 2nd sentence: Why did you change it? You're now saying your desk is "on" the wall...

Okay... Why did you change the ending for "large" (window)? It was correct before...

[fervent kernel]

mmmm
I dont remember, that i changed "große "

[long whale]

And lastly, please decide whether you want to say "my neighbour's" or "my neighbours'" house - the ending for the possessive must change (Genitiv)

[long whale]

Okay, so, I overlooked an error. Gender of "Fenster"? Change ending of "large" accordingly (Nominativ). (You do have a table for this, right? Right?)

[fervent kernel]

das Fenster

[long whale]

@fervent kernel 😅 All good now.

[fervent kernel]

🥳 🇩🇪 Danke

I like the fact that there are no answers right away, I just have to strain my brain🚨🇩🇪

[snow herald]

"Die wichtigste Schnittstelle zwischen den Parteien und der Regierung...." can in this sentence Schnittstelle mean something similar to stitch (meaning connection point)?

[trail granite]

Yes

[slim yew]

what are some common grammar mistakes made my native german speakers

[thorn wyvern]

Hallo guys!
I've got my b1 Prüfung tomorrow
Any last minute tips?

[undone verge]

nope, just try to relax and not stress too much 🙂

[thorn wyvern]

:)

[viral jolt]

in addition to what hierchen said, have something sweet like a chocolate before entering the room. apparently, elevating your blood sugar levels before an exam helps

[thorn wyvern]

Thanks!🍫

[upbeat thicket]

using dative instead of genitive
Das Haus vom Freund (das Haus des Freundes)

confusing dass/das and seid/seit

another common one: saying Dankeschön instead of Danke schön to thank somebody

[stone forge]

"Was für ein Modell ist es?" - I don't get how "für ein" is translated into "kind of"

[viral jolt]

was für ein or eine means what kind of, yes.

[stone forge]

ok, danke

[pastel pewter]

Was ist der Unterschied zwischen “ sich entscheiden für” und “sich entschließen zu“?

[steep walrus]

Hi, I'd like to ask which option is correct? 😄 I heard that "Es gibt" is always connected with Akkusativ, but preposition "in" in this case indicates Dativ:

"In der Stadt gibt es viele Blumen"
or "In die Stadt gibt es viele Blumen"

[undone verge]

in der Stadt gibt es...

prepositional phrases are not objects of the verb, and the case does not depend on the verb (except for preposition-verb Verbindungen)

[steep walrus]

aaah ok, thank you! 😄

[stone forge]

"Tut mir leid, das kann ich noch nicht sagen" - Is there any reason I should not place "nicht" before "noch"?

[undone verge]

nicht before noch here would be very odd

noch nicht = not yet

[undone verge]

joa

[upbeat thicket]

Ja ich würde zumindest nicht sagen, dass es selten verwendet wird

[red flint]

Ja, 'findrucksvoll' fließt mir aber noch häufiger von den Lippen

Eindrucksvoll *

[charred fog]

is the first one really a mistake? it's just a different way of phrasing it really

[upbeat thicket]

Technically it‘s incorrect but used in everyday speech

[charred fog]

weird

[delicate tiger]

there's also the more dialectal version "dem Freund sein Haus" and the outdated "des Freundes Haus"

[proven sphinx]

Yeah, but the genitive is definitely the most correct version by far. "Das Haus vom Freund" isn't incorrect, but it's definitely less formal than "Das Haus des Freundes".

[fervent kernel]

*etwas* neigte sich dem Ende zu Is this a commonly used expression to convey the end of something? A conclusion?

[nimble viper]

Does the war + infinitive work with virtually all verbs?

[fervent kernel]

yes!

well within logic, of course

there are only so many activities you can be out or away doing

like: "I'm out raining" 🤔 people don't rain

but if you can leave your house to go do it, then you can phrase it like that!

[charred harbor]

I rain money

[fervent kernel]

oooh please save some for us peasants

[fervent kernel]

yes it is!
I believe originally it is about physical things, when you have a storage of something and it is emptying out and you are down to the last few - but it is used figuratively for things like time and events too.

Der Abend neigte sich dem Ende zu.
The evening neared its end/drew to a close

a related expression is "zu Neige gehen" "zur Neige gehen"

to run out

Der Vorrat geht allmählich zur Neige.
the stock/supply is slowly running out

[viral jolt]

jup. if you're already B1, it's easily doable.

there are popular publishers like Heuber or Klett Sprache. I personally follow Klett Sprache's Aspekte Neu B2 Lehrbuch + Arbeitsbuch. For Heuber, you can pick whatever they have in store for B2. there is no "perfect" book, so just pick one and start.

then it should be easy peasy

haven't personally used it yet, but most people here call it the Bible for German Grammar. so yes it's pretty trustworthy

[radiant thicket]

Hello, would it be appropriate in this server to ask about the meaning of a voiceline of a german soldier from a WW2 game?

[viral jolt]

as long as you don't think it's offensive or demeaning

[undone verge]

can you just stick it in deepl?

[radiant thicket]

Does DeepL work on sounds?

[radiant thicket]

A battlecry

[undone verge]

oh, you don't have the words.

[viral jolt]

well what you can do in that case is get the audio read via google translate and then put it into deepL bc GTranslate is shit

[radiant thicket]

yes that is the problem, I understand german, but it is hard to tell because of poor audio quality

its like the dress, other people say it means x but i and others dont hear x at all

[upbeat thicket]

You could sent it to me

Let‘s make a poll

[viral jolt]

Lena > DeepL > GTranslate

poll done

[upbeat thicket]

Ich bin LeepL

[stuck pendant]

Can the phrase ”alles läuft rund” be used as ”everything is going well”?

[proven sphinx]

Maybe I should add that I'm literally getting my bachelor's diploma in Applied Languages this September. Most of what I studied involved translating texts from English to German or German to English. So I'm pretty sure I'm your best shot when it comes to translating something, though I'm sure Lena is pretty good too. 😄

https://www.zhaw.ch/en/linguistics/study/ba-in-applied-languages/

[viral jolt]

woaaahhh, that's epic!!

[proven sphinx]

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From the site's description.

[viral jolt]

that's cool. did you learn IPA during your Uni courses?

[proven sphinx]

I actually learned IPA mostly on my own, though we did use it and learn it during our studies.

I'd previously had a course solely focused on phonetics and phonology in a previous university, though.

I got what's basically an A+ on that course without even trying. 😂

[viral jolt]

😂 so it was mostly from your own interest. that's nice.

[narrow pier]

Hello

( Abgesehen davon, dass Menschen in Iraq nicht eine Guten Job finden können, sie könnten nicht auch einfach umsiedeln ) ---> korrigiert mich bitte

I saw abgesehen davon, from (Apart from the fact that a single household is no longer an indication of being single, close friendships have a similarly positive effect on our health as a couple relationship )
,

.

Hello,

Ich fühle mich nicht geborgen,

Ich bin nicht sicher

( Do they both mean -->I do not feel secure

[proven sphinx]

"Ich bin mir nicht sicher" is more like "I'm not sure".

"Ich fühle mich nicht geborgen" is very formal, though.

Ich bin mir nicht sicher = I'm not sure
Ich fühle mich nicht sicher = I don't feel safe

[narrow pier]

.

Ohh sorry

Thank you

You replied all

[proven sphinx]

Basically, "geborgen" is very rarely used.

[narrow pier]

Ohh ok,

[fervent kernel]

~Was denkts du über die Mode? Ist sie wichtig für dich?
Das kommt drauf an, weil wir in unserem Leben manchmal die Situationen haben, die ungewöchnlich sind und wir können nicht einach eine Adidas Hose anziehen. Wenn man sich gut anzieht, fühlt man sich sehr wohl.
✅ ❌

"I want to learn to swim, can I learn to swim without swimming?".

There is many "gute Leute", with you can speak on the channels. Without any anxiety, that you will be judged

[verbal cape]

hi

[long whale]

Talking to yourself in German works just fine for some people. Of course, you'll have to check words/phrases/forms you can't remember. As to writing, if you have/make an English version of your German text, and then put that English version through deepl.com you will get a correct German version you can then compare with your original German version. (This doesn't work by just putting your German into deepl and checking whether deepl's English version makes sense. deepl is excellent at making sense of German gibberish.) ;)

[narrow pier]

Hello, I am planning to do that as well, I am planning to take the taste in about a month and a half, or when I am ready, so if you want to become language partners, I gladly wan to do that

I have waited for someone for so long

[long whale]

Please note that while it can be very motivating to have a "study buddy" to work and compete with, you're likely to pick up mistakes from them, if they are the same level as you (or lower), when you talk to them in your target language.

[worthy sky]

unter Strom stehen = unter Druck?

[worthy sky]

Wer hat mich erwähnt und den Nachricht gelöscht? 💀

[undone verge]

nach einem Beispiel wurde gefragt

[upbeat thicket]

Das bedeutet, dass man angespannt ist

[worthy sky]

Kann das negativ und positiv sein?

[upbeat thicket]

negativ

[worthy sky]

Oooh

Okie danke!

[fervent kernel]

Does eingearbeitet only apply to Jobs

[long whale]

No. It would be used for anything worked into [the fabric of] something else, like silver thread ornaments worked into brocade, for example.

[fervent kernel]

Can you show me how you would say that they are eingearbeitet into a brocade

I'm not confident about the preposition

[long whale]

Check 2. here: https://www.dwds.de/wb/einarbeiten#d-1-2 Try yourself? ;)

[fervent kernel]

I've made a search on Google but couldn't find satisfactory results thanks

[nimble viper]

So, the sentence you see in the photo. It seems to me, just with the um zu clause, like the meeting with the friend is dependent on the choosing of the place. Almost as though you choose the place in order to meet your friend there… (otherwise your friend won’t come)… that’s how it came across to me. Am I going a bit crazy? I would have said “Ich wähle einen Ort, wo ich mich mit einem Freund treffe.”

[undone verge]

your version isn't wrong, but the original doesn't strike me as particularly weird. um...zu isn't always well translated by 'in order to'

here it rather explains the purpose of the Ort, if I'm not mistaken

[nimble viper]

Ah okay, i’m just unfamiliar with extraneous uses - I have seen that us german learners actually tend to have a hard time remembering to put in the ‘um’ when it’s needed - at least that’s been my experience. I’m not very masterful with it myself

But I suppose I can see it working here

[icy flax]

Opa! I read "und ich weiß warum! Logo!". Logo ist Umgangssprache für "logisch" oder? Hab das Wort auf DWDS nicht gefunden, aber ich glaub, ich hab es ab und zu gehört. Ich frag nach einer Bestätigung der Studenten (: dankiii

[long whale]

Correct. ;)

[long whale]

WDYM, you didn't find it on DWDS? https://www.dwds.de/wb/logo :D

💡 Spelling...

resp. capitalization

[fervent kernel]

Ik its a stupid question but why diese sachen?

Isn't it -en when its plural+accusative+indefinite article adjective?

[charred fog]

"dies" is declined just like a definite article

technically it is a definite article and there's no adjective in the sentence

[fervent kernel]

thought itd be declined like an adjective for some reason
danke

[narrow pier]

for this translation ( those are trees ) would you say (das sind Bäume ) oder ( dies sind Bäume )

?

[hexed gust]

Hi, experienced learners, how did you learn the prepositional verbs and the cases? Did you use anki or made flashcards or just stared at tables of it?

[untold field]

Hello, I have a question about infinitival constructions. I saw many people use the form "statt....zu" but I also see people that use the form "anstatt.........zu". What s the corect one?

[final marlin]

Both are correct... I would say.

[untold field]

Thank you!

[grand plank]

Yeah, both work 👍

[grand plank]

Both work, or if you can give me more context I can tell you which one sounds more natural

Though, on a second thought, "Dies" is probably a bit closer because "that" translates to "das"

[timid vector]

that and those are the same just singular/plural which das can be both

[grand plank]

I see you guys typing xD
Ask questions please im bored

[timid vector]

as demonstrative pronouns das and dies are interchangeable

[narrow pier]

Oh ok

Thank you

[untold field]

What means dabei?

[undone verge]

please give a sentence

[untold field]

Frau Jolly geht zu einkaufen ohne Geld dabei zu haben.

That s it

[undone verge]

that would mean 'with her'

she doesnt have cash on her

[untold field]

This is available if I speak about a man?

[undone verge]

yes

[untold field]

a group with more people?

[undone verge]

hmmm...trying to think of a situation where it would make sense

habt ihr X dabei

grammatically is fine

dabei isn't limited by subject

[untold field]

Oh alright

Thanksss

[delicate tiger]

*geht zu einkaufen

[untold field]

Why without zu?

Like in what situations I need to use zu and in what situations I don t need to use it

[long whale]

Think of "verb in infinitive + gehen" as similar to "to go + verb-ing" -> you can't say "I'm going to shopping" just like you can't say Ich gehe zu einkaufen Does that help?

[untold field]

Yeah, so it depends in the speaking part

[long whale]

For some guidelines on when to use the infinitive with "zu" and when not, try to remember there is never a "zu" with modal verbs. Also, perhaps check out this site: https://en.easy-deutsch.de/sentence-structure/infinitive-with-zu/

[untold field]

Oh thankssss

It s very helpful

any resource I mean

as a beginner

[charred fog]

wait what?!

I swear I've heard something like "..... zu können" many times

[long whale]

What I meant was: you can never have "modal verb + zu + infinitive": ich kann zu schwimmen.

[charred fog]

oh ok

[hexed gust]

Hi, experienced learners, how did you learn the prepositional verbs and the cases? Did you use anki or made flashcards or just stared at tables of it?

[fervent kernel]

Wir wervenden ’umtauschen“. Wenn wir eine kaputte Ware zum Supermartk züruckgeben wollen.✅ ❌ ( Bitte überprüfen die Sätze )

[long whale]

Spelling of "to use". Otherwise it's mostly fine, except for "zum" (try to find a different preposition) - would you really say/write "We use to return. When we want to return damaged goods to/in/at the supermarket." - ?

[long whale]

As to verbs with prefixes, the best way of learning them is to use them in sentences, like any other vocab. As to cases/adjective declination, the best way of learning them is to print out the table (even better: painstakingly draw your own), put it where you can see it all the time: over desk, on back of mobile/tablet, and look at it every single time you're trying to say/write a German sentence. Hope this helps. ;)

[untold field]

How to say "remain" in German? I searched but I didn t find a translation
I saw that is equal with bleiben but I don t know if it s correct

[undone verge]

bleiben

ofc it could be context dependent

[untold field]

Can you give me some examples?

[fervent kernel]

Ich bleib still

I stay still

[grand plank]

Es bleibt so
It remains like that

[fervent kernel]

I think it's mostly the same as "remain" @untold field - you can practically directly translate it

[grand plank]

Nach dem Essen bleibt etwas übrig
After eating, something remains

[fervent kernel]

Nach dem trinken bleibt nix im Kopf
After drinking nothing remains in the head

[charred harbor]

Essen and Trinken should be capitalised there but yeah

[grand plank]

:(

[charred harbor]

I'm pretty mean when it comes to capitalisation rules in German xD My apologies

Vielleicht bin ich zu traditionell xD

[grand plank]

Nah, you're fine if you teach something to someone you should do it the right way haha

[fervent kernel]

Ich habe mich gemerkt ✅❌ Ich frage, denn jetzt höre ich ein Easy German Podcast und ich erinnere mich an, dass wir [ sich + Dat. merken ] verwenden. Aber vielleicht habe ich nicht recht🤔🤔

[long whale]

There are 2 verbs: "etwas (Akk) merken" = to notice sth; "sich etwas (Akk) merken" = to consciously "put" something in one's memory (whether by studying, or because you actively want to remember it, like a favourite teacher's favourite flowers)

[fervent kernel]

So „ich habe MIR gemerkt = I have remembered? ( sth was in the past and I remembered it )

[nova sparrow]

It's not the same, as Susana wrote ^^:
sich etwas merken means you put (at least a little) effort in the process of memorizing sth. -> sich etwas merken = to memorize sth
remembering = erinnern (you might remember a rule that you memorized earlier)

[charred harbor]

Would you like English corrections? ^^;

[nova sparrow]

Okay:
Ich habe mir (die Regel) gemerkt = i memorized (the rule)

[fervent kernel]

Yes please

Can't see what's wrong right now

[charred harbor]

Bernie made a very minor spelling mistake (possibly typo)

I'm being nitpicky though, I usually am when it comes to languages

[fervent kernel]

Mhm got it

[nova sparrow]

oh, please help me with the typo? 😱

[charred harbor]

Sure! 😄

earlyer -> earlier

[nova sparrow]

thanks 😄

[nova sparrow]

I think it's not wrong to be precise, when it comes to languages 🙂

[long whale]

It's probably how you'd translate it, yes, but the meaning remains slightly different. "sich an etwas erinnern" is often involuntary. Say... pancakes make you remember your grandmother, okay? That's "Smell/see pancakes -> Flash! Granny!", right? But if somebody you really like mentions they really like white chocolate, and you go "Ooh! That's good to know! Next time I'm looking for a present fo this person, it's going to be white chocolate!" -> Du hast es dir gemerkt, resp. Du hast dir gemerkt, dass X weiße Schokolade mag.

*for

[fervent kernel]

Gut Tipp, den ich muss mir merken👀

[narrow pier]

Hallo liebe Freunde

before I look at the solution, I answered it, and two answres popped to my head

( Der Kellner bringt eine Salat zu der Frau ) first idea I had but it did not sound natural

Der Kellner bringt der Frau die Salat

( the second one sounds more correct to me ) , und korrigiert mich bitte

[lean bridge]

does „Wie kostet ein ticket nach berlin aus paris” work?

[undone verge]

was kostet or wie viel kostet

von Paris nach Berlin

[lean bridge]

so „Wie viel kostet eine fahrkarte von Paris nach Berlin?”

oh

[undone verge]

should be fine

Fahrkarte/Ticket should be capitalised

[lean bridge]

okay!

how about „Ich möchte zusammen zahlen?"

Danke Sie!

[undone verge]

Danke dir/Ihnen (im Internet benutzt man fast exklusiv 'du')

[lean bridge]

OK

[undone verge]

der Satz ist sinnvoll, ich weiß aber nicht was du sagen willst 😅

[misty field]

i would like to pay both maybe?

[undone verge]

was du geschrieben hast heißt, dass du mit einer Gruppe bist und für alle bezahlen willst

[misty field]

can someone explain to me the difference of substantiven and nomen?

[undone verge]

they're the same picture

[misty field]

okay

what about bock and lust?

for example ich habe kein Bock / ich habe keine Lust?

[undone verge]

in the everyday usage they mean the same

like yes, that example precisely, it is the same

although technically it should be 'keinen Bock'

[misty field]

..

yea i always forget

[undone verge]

even natives screw it up 🤷

[misty field]

my bad

then what is more common?

lust or bock?

[undone verge]

hmmmmm...it may depend on your social circles and/or region. For me, 'Bock' is more common, but both are very normal

[misty field]

i see

thank you :)

[proven sphinx]

"Bock" is simply more informal than "Lust".

[misty field]

i see

definitely makes sense

[narrow pier]

can someon please tell me which of my sentences is better

[proven sphinx]

Neither of them is correct.

[undone verge]

Salat is masculine, otherwise the second one sounds better

[proven sphinx]

Yep.

[undone verge]

Der Kellner bringt der Frau einen Salat.

[misty field]

is it der Frau in that sentence?

[undone verge]

yes, it is in dative case

[misty field]

ah i really need to pick up on these cases...

[narrow pier]

and I think, that one is more commonly used, ja?

[narrow pier]

Der Kellner bringt der Frau den Salat

correct now?

[undone verge]

yes 🙂

[narrow pier]

thank you

[narrow pier]

Der Mann schreibt den Kindern Briefe ( oder die Briefe )

Die Frau schreibt dem Jung einen Brief

Der Mann schreibt der Frau einen Brief

( Hopefully they are all correct )

[modest temple]

wie kann man alle der Dialekte lernen? auch wie und wo kann man sie hören?
bitte, andere Empfehlungen von; in Deutschland leben.

[timid vector]

dem Jungen

sonst gut

[lament ingot]

Hmmm there are too many dialects

Even Lexumbourgish German is a German dialect

So is Liechtenstein German a dialect

Also swiss German

[timid vector]

Yeah I don't think anyone really knows every dialect 🤔 but maybe try news stations from each region (do they speak dialect on the news?) or other media

[lament ingot]

Fun fact: Its hard for even native german to understand swiss german

[modest temple]

Ich brauche nur die bakannte Dialekte, wie bayerische, berlinische, ... usw, weil ich als Dolmetscher arbeiten wollte

[modest temple]

ja, das kann ich mir einfach vorstellen, haha

[lament ingot]

Sie können ihre Nachrichtenkanäle abonnieren

Es gibt viele

[modest temple]

wie z.B ?

[lament ingot]

Lassen Sie mich von meinen Abonnements überprüfen

Einer davon ist der Bayerische Rundfunk

Sie sprechen nicht immer bayerischen Dialekt

[modest temple]

auf jeden Fall, ich kann jetzt etwas suchen, und Dankeschön :)

[long whale]

I'd warmly recommend becoming fluent in Standard German first, before you get into dialects. :)

[modest temple]

Ich versuche die beide gleichzeitig zu erledigen, ich muss keine mehr Zeit im langsamen Lernen verschwinden :)

[long whale]

My guess is this is an excellent method of not becoming fluent in Standard German, either, but well... 🤷

[modest temple]

jetzig glaube ich, dass du ja Recht hast

[narrow pier]

what, I dont understand sorry, why Jungen

?

[long whale]

Check >faq N-Deklination in #botchannel

[narrow pier]

is there a verb for ( Indiz ), like indication, for example ( Spät - die Verspätung ) aber wie wär's mit ( Indiz )

[long whale]

No.

[narrow pier]

but if I link it to for example ( der Mann schreibt dem Kind einen Brief ) if this is correct, why would Jung -> Jungen, I will look at the faq of course, but as far as I know, Jungen, means boys, I meant to say ( a boy ) not ( the boys )

[narrow pier]

is there another verb, that its meaning is indicate, cause, there are alot of verbs in Leo like ( zeigen, bezeichnen unsw. )

I tend to use that word a lot

[long whale]

You feel there are already too many verbs, so, you'd like some more? 🤔

[timid vector]

I'd prefer we delete some

[narrow pier]

no sorryy

i thought they would have different meanings

[narrow pier]

Ich bin Ihnen sehr verbunden ( danke )

[narrow pier]

from my list, ok

[long whale]

Well... it might depend on context, but since you didn't provide any... 🤷 BTW, did you have a look at the faq? And did it enlighten you? ;)

[narrow pier]

I read it yeah but I think I learned too much today, I saved the Look, and will fully understand it tommorow

but from what I understood now, it does not depend on if its singular or plural, idk, I might be wrong, but Huge thanks, that helped me so much, because I kind of missed that detail, which I have had seen them many times

[weary panther]

Are there any books I can get on Amazon that cover all of German grammar that people reccomend?

[undone verge]

hammer's (and you can get it free in #resources )

however this isn't really what I'd recommend to learn with. It's more of a reference book

still, the book that covers all 😄

[weary panther]

Thanks! Are there any other books that you’d reccomend to learn with?

[timid vector]

I have a question that doesn't rly fit in any of the channels, but the state in the US that I was born in is over 60% forest land and I was wondering if there was a Bundesland that is like this? We have trees everywhere, even in the "larger" cities

[nimble sphinx]

https://www.researchgate.net/figure/Forest-cover-in-Germany-per-federal-state-in-decreasing-order-of-percentage-The_fig3_345716175

[timid vector]

I know there are forests in Germany, thank you, I was moreso asking if there were places where cities are made somewhat in the forest rather than it being cleared

[pale drift]

what's the layout you're referring to? like, are they building streets and city blocks around sections of forest, are they using dirt roads?

I imagine you mean something way different from say New York where they stick a tree on the sidewalk every 20 feet

[timid vector]

lol no sorry not dirt roads and stuff, it's hard to explain but like on the right is where the city starts and on the left (and behind the camera) is just forest everywhere. And it goes through the city in some parts with parks and stuff

[pale drift]

ah ok, they're more generous to the forest for now, at least until the real estate developers decide to start messing with it

still time to enjoy the forest before someone wants to fill it with strip malls

[timid vector]

yeah that's why i was asking, i know germany as a whole is much more developed than my home state so I was worried that might be the case

[undone verge]

German woods are like fancy compared to US woods. idk why 😂

[long whale]

I think the answer is no. Places surrounded by trees, yes. Trees and parks in towns/cities, yes. But woods running through a city - not really. There are very few really planned cities in Germany (or anywhere else in Europe, as far as I know). Cities have grown out of villages. Villages meant farming. Farming meant clearing the trees.

[stuck pendant]

When it is more suitable to use perfekt partizip than preteritum, and vice versa? (If there are any such cases)

[undone verge]

is perfekt partizip the same as perfekt tense?

[stuck pendant]

Yeah

“Ich habe den Apfel gekauft”

I kind of use them interchangeably at the moment, but that might not be so good for higher levels of writing

[undone verge]

then you use perfekt when you speak a lot of the time, also in casual writing.
Präteritum is mostly limited to writing (for example: novels, essays).
There are some verbs that are used in präteritum in spoken and informal language. For example war, hatte, modal verbs, gab, etc.

[stuck pendant]

Ok I see, but if I were to start writing an essay in präteritum would it be best to, in general, stick to präteritum?

[undone verge]

yeah generally speaking

[stuck pendant]

Hmm okay interesting, thx

[icy flax]

@long whale, "machen" and "tun". What is the difference to you between them? And do you consider beautiful the following structure "schreiben tue ich nicht" ?

[fervent kernel]

Do you guys know any german free newspaper online?

most of them give you a limited amount of posts to read

[long whale]

You just pointed out the main difference for yourself, didn't you? :D And the structure is not about beauty, it's about emphasis. (Unless we're talking dialect, which we are not, are wei?) ;)

[undone verge]

spektrum, der Spiegel (just avoid S+), Tagesschau...I think these are all free. Unless it's different if you're reading outside of Germany?

[icy flax]

Do you find yourself ever using the structure in which tun is a Hilfsverb?

There was one long question in the #942470380692590632 about it. Many people pronounced themselves and I wished to know how you approach that. (:

[long whale]

Of course. Whenever I feel really, really compelled to stress a verb (one which is not a Partizip II, obviously).

[brittle flower]

hi, I heard that we have to use fressen only when an animal eat sth and essen when a person eat sth and we can't use fressen when we want to say something about a person. is it true?

[nimble sphinx]

no, it's not true. If you want to be mean, you can also use fressen about a person, or if it's more descriptive of their eating-stlye (though it's not nice to use it anyway). And in general essen is perfectly fine for animals (mostly used for friendly animals thought)

[brittle flower]

thanks for answering ❤️

[nimble sphinx]

yo :)

[long whale]

I'd be interested to know how many native speakers would agree with you as to "essen" being perfectly fine for animals...

[nimble sphinx]

hm yeah, i'd also be interested!

well, sure "Der Tiger hat die Gazelle gegessen" does sound a bit off after a second think. But "Die katze hat das Katzenfutter gegessen" is common i think

[upbeat thicket]

I wouldn't use "essen" for animals. There are other words depending on the kind of animals: fressen, äsen (Wild), ...
Fressen can be used as a derogatory version for "essen" with humans.
Normally: fressen (animals) - essen (humans)

Essen sounds weird for animals imo

[nimble sphinx]

ok, very interesting! then, maybe i'm alone with that perception

[upbeat thicket]

where are you from? it may be a regional thing

[nimble sphinx]

augsburg

[upbeat thicket]

Ah well. I suppose not then

[nimble sphinx]

you too? xD

[upbeat thicket]

No, but from Bavaria too. But I don't know.
Let's wait for other opinions maybe haha

[nimble sphinx]

jo, sure ^^

[undone verge]

Another native also thinks it sounds normal with domesticated animals @nimble sphinx you are not alone 🙏

[nimble sphinx]

haha, maybe it a pinapple pizza sort of discussion idk

[upbeat thicket]

A Nutella discussion xD

maybe there is no right answer

[nimble sphinx]

yeah, hard to tell

[long whale]

Nothing to change anybody's mind, I suppose, but interesting nevertheless: https://german.stackexchange.com/questions/30301/was-ist-der-unterschied-zwischen-essen-und-fressen#30302

[nimble sphinx]

xD nice read! Das mit der binomischen Formel hab ich noch nie gehört, ist aber ziemlich genial

stimmt aber: ein Borkenkäfer frisst sich durchs Holz, isst sich aber nie dadurch

also essen ist eher nur in Ausnahmefällen für Tiere gedacht, so wies aussieht

[cursive pollen]

Does anybody have any B2 story books like ghost stories??
any intresting book? not necessrly ghost genre

[long whale]

At B2, you can read whatever you want -> Goethe-Institut has a virtual lending library (assuming you aren't in Germany right now). ;)

[timid vector]

according to who I sure can't

[long whale]

Isn't an upper intermediate level enough to read native content? 🤔 I don't think they still have graded readers for that level, do they?

[timid vector]

Idk I've never used graded readers but me and my peers definitely can't just sit and read through a novel meant for german natives

still takes a lot of active concentration and looking up some words

[long whale]

It's a matter of individual preference, I think - I love reading, so, as long as my vocab isn't up to reading interesting things, I'll just read shitty, predictable stuff. 🤷

[timid vector]

I think I would rather die irl than read one news article so yeah maybe so

for me it's gotta be interesting

[long whale]

I wasn't talking about news articles (if they're interesting, they're definitely difficult to read), for me, it's things like young adult fiction. A friend of mine learns languages via self-help books (those make me gag).

[timid vector]

Yeah even then, I've tried reading Harry Potter and even that is difficult lol. The first page uses hinüberspähen which is just like... a very random verb

the vocabulary is just difficult for me and my peers but maybe that's not true for all ppl at my level idk

[viral jolt]

interesting that you're into YA Susana, that's cool.

[elfin willow]

I think Harry Potter is probably pretty hard because of the fantasy vocabulary (and also a lot of made up words)

[long whale]

No, HP is definitely not easy. On the plus side, you already know the story, so, you can just keep reading. It's surprising how much your brain's going to process if you keep at it, you know. ;)

[viral jolt]

News articles are surprisingly easy to read at B2 tho.

[elfin willow]

you could try Die Drei ??? i find that it’s a good level for me at B1 (there’s also a kids version, not sure if it’s easier to read)

[long whale]

Looking up every word I don't know... 👀 I'd just give up after a couple of pages.

[timid vector]

ohhh really, I assumed it would be because it was a kids book lol (although admittedly translated so idk how that affects it)

[viral jolt]

hmm.. wouldn't you recommend doing that while learning German? I haven't yet tried learning exclusively from a book, but it's something I want to try. and I'm very tempted to lookup and check every word i counter. would you recommend against that?

[timid vector]

well at least I'm less discouraged

[viral jolt]

i mostly compare it to how I learned English as a foreign language. when I didn't understand a word, I almost always asked it to my parents, when I first encountered it. so I have that idea of looking up every german word, thinking maybe it might help

[long whale]

No, the translation doesn't affect the level of difficulty, definitely not in JKR's case. Books for kids are by no means easy, language-wise. But you tend to get a lot less of "In the gently weaving breeze, a single, chestnut-coloured leaf fluttered lazily to the ground", i.e. the kind of sentence which makes a language learner run screaming for shelter (because by the time you've looked up all those unknown words, you find the bleeding thing doesn't tell you anything 😡

[timid vector]

😂 and it was all a metaphor

[long whale]

I was just talking about the way I like to read in a foreign language I'm trying to learn, which is: I'm totally happy if I'm able to follow the general drift of the story, and I'll just leave it to my brain to pick up some vocab on the way (read as: I'm addicted to the high I get from figuring out words from context - those also have a habit of sticking). It may be totally different for you, and it's definitely a very time-consuming way of becoming proficient if that's all you ever do to learn the language.

[viral jolt]

hmm..

[ember lagoon]

Hey, I'm also reading Harry Potter in German, what I do is that every word that I stumble upon I simply deepL it and put it in an anki deck for only the Harry Potter book (just label it as harry potter vocab or whatever) and I keep revising these words, after 3 pages I've gathered about 90 words in total that I didn't know, I know that seems like a lot, but hey now I can read the 3 pages and understand them fully, what do you think of that? would you recommend me something

[ember lagoon]

(also that did not require much effort I feel like I could do that everyday till I finish the book)

[long whale]

It's a good method for acquiring vocab, that's for sure. And if you don't find it tedious, that's just great - go for it. 👏

[ember lagoon]

Oh really thanks, btw I go over the lines and pick every unfamiliar word and add it to anki deck with the translation in like 2 secs, and then I read the whole page, it's a fast process so yeah 😅

[long whale]

I'm curious - what happens if the word has more than 1 meaning?

Do you run the whole sentence through deepl?

[ember lagoon]

I write the whole sentence in deepl so I know the meaning in that context, then I press on the word so deepl gives me the infinitive of the verb, if not noun

[ember lagoon]

yeah, if there are other meanings that deepl lists I write / and other meaning

too

[latent wadi]

Im reading it rn with a B2 and its finally "easy". Still a good amount of words I dont know but I can read it at about the same pace as I read in English

You should read das Sams Buchreihe

I learned a lot of words from it that I saw in harry potter like Umkleidekabine and I learned that "Satz" can be like a jump or a leap

which I assume connects to (Schuh)absatz

[long whale]

Among a great many other things, yes. As you can see, "setzen" has over 10 meanings, and you'll find the one "Satz" (leap, jump) comes from under 9.c) https://www.dwds.de/wb/setzen#d-1-9-3 ;)

[undone verge]

I could read comfortably between B2 and C1. Although I still prefer to look up the words and constructions I don't know (when reading novels) 😅

with essays and news, which I read more often, I only do if it impedes understanding or I'm curious in the moment

[lament ingot]

Ich bevorzuge das auch*

[long whale]

*Ich bevorzuge das auch OR Ich bevorzuge es auch, das zu machen/tun ;)

[autumn marsh]

there are different factors to this ...

1. maybe the most important: will you really keep on reading if you look up every word? is this enjoyable to you? will you do this for hours upon hours? Learning languages is a marathon, and you have to be enjoying doing it for a really long time if you want to get any good at it.

2. is what you want to look up really important for the message? do you understand what is going on without the word?
   it's a good habit to get rid of the feeling of needing to understand everything. i bet you don't even understand everything in your native language all the time, yet your communication works. especially written texts add a lot of "flavour" that isn't always strictly needed to understand what is going on.

3. a sole matter of frequency - a ton of the words you'll encounter even in children's books, you'll rarely if ever encounter in most other situations. If there is this one word, or that one phrase for that matter, that you see more often, it might be a good idea to learn this one specifically.

but essentially, the best way to go about this from my PoV is to first get really proficient in the basics, and then add more advanced stuff on top. You see, even if you have the feeling that you've a really solid grasp on how to use certain words or phrases, chances are that you'll still have to see them numerous times in all kinds of different contexts before they really start to sink in.
what that means is that even if you think you're not learning when reading "easy" stuff, you'll still learn a lot. If you master the most common phrases and words within a language to perfection, you'll easily get around without all the more advanced vocab and phrases. this is so much more worth it.

all that being said, if you are a person who just likes learning whatever word and phrase, and your goal is to become really good within your target language, maybe it makes sense to spend more time looking up stuff, cause you'll want to learn those words anyway. but don't just look them up, write them down somehow and then repeat them. it'll be a crazy workload though, because ofc you'll still have to work on the basic phrases aswell. so overall, you'll have a more flat learning curve, it'll take you longer to express basic things, but as soon as it really clicks, you'll have a much larger vocabulary.

someone who doesn't look up everything will be able to quicker express things that are generally uttered with higher frequency, but naturally they'll have to work on the advanced vocab afterwards. i'd still say that for most people this makes a lot more sense, as it'll open up a far larger variety of content, while "words that get used in books" might just be that: words that only get used in books. if you love reading, it still might be the way to go.

[plain umbra]

It basically depends on what you want to get out of it. If your goal is to learn as many words as possible, then looking up all the words helps a lot with that goal. If your goal is to practice understanding sentence structures or just enjoy the story, the individual words aren't as important, so you can just look up ones you really need.

Also, depends how much of the vocab you know already. If you're only missing 5 words on every page, you can easily look up all of them, but if it's 80% of the words, you probably struggle to do that. If too many words are unknown, try a book with less advanced vocab. Also try graded readers - books written specifically for learners of a specific level (e.g. A2).

[night dagger]

Based on what I've read, the sweet spot is ~80 % comprehension.

So if you don't understand around 20% of the words of whatever you're reading or watching, you're likely to be using the right material or whatever for your level.

[viral jolt]

interesting takes. yeah i have to play around and really find the sweet spot for me.

[maiden badge]

Ich fahre für vier Tage in Urlaub und packe drei T-Shirts, zwei Blusen, zwei Hosen, eine kurze Hose, fünf Paar Unterwäsche, ein Handtuch, und eine Regenjacke. Ich bringe keine Toilettenartikel mit. Ich ziehe ein Jeans, ein T-Shirt und eine Jacke an.
Sind das die richtigen Sätze?

[long whale]

The 1st sentence would usually end with "ein", from "einpacken". But perhaps you haven't learnt about separable Verbs yet? No Oxford comma in German. Please reconsider the verb "bringe/n". Please check gender of "Jeans". - "Sind das die richtigen Sätze?" = Are those the right sentences? Are those sentences correct? ;)

[charred harbor]

“Are these sentences correct?” would be “Sind diese Sätze richtig?”

(Which would sound a lot better here IMHO)

[long whale]

I was trying to get OP to think about this, yes... 😄

[charred harbor]

Ah, sorry

[long whale]

It's fine. 🧁

[maiden badge]

Ich fahre für vier Tage in Urlaub und packe drei T-Shirts, zwei Blusen, zwei Hosen, eine kurze Hose, fünf Paar Unterwäsche, ein Handtuch und eine Regenjacke ein. Ich bringe nehme keine Toilettenartikel mit. Ich ziehe eine Jeans, ein T-Shirt und eine Jacke an.
Sind diese Sätze richtig?

[maiden badge]

I'm not sure what Oxford comma is, but I assume it's the comma before "und"?
Also I learnt trennbar Verben already but never exactly know when/how to use it 😅

[long whale]

Yes, you're right about the Oxford comma. In German, there's only ever a comma before "und" when you get a full sentence after it, one which would work on its own, as in "Ich fliege morgen nach Spanien, und ich bin sehr glücklich" (stupid sentence, I know). - As to packen vs. einpacken, the German language is very particular about things like position, direction, etc. -> You'd say "Ich packe meine Koffer", but if you're talking about what you're putting into your bags, "einpacken" is your verb. In time, you'll get used to this, I promise. ;)

[maiden badge]

Ah... I see. Thanks for the clear explanations. It really is enlighten me in using trennbar :3

[charred harbor]

It's obviously a typo but for other people's reference it should be "ich packe meinen Koffer"

[long whale]

Where's the typo? 😳

[charred harbor]

:P

[long whale]

That's precisely what I'd say. 🤔 As in "I'm packing my bags/suitcases".

[charred harbor]

Oh you meant it as plural 😂 Sorry

I should've read context more lol

[maiden badge]

Noch eine Frage: why don't the "Urlaub" use any artikel in this sentence?

[long whale]

"Urlaub machen", resp. "in Urlaub fahren" are collocations - no article is used for "Urlaub".

[charred harbor]

Urlaub is often uncountable

[long whale]

Let's just say its plural is very, very rarely used. ;)

[charred harbor]

Urlaube?

[long whale]

That would obviously refer to several separate holidays, and we'll usually try to avoid it by saying something like "Urlaubsreisen" instead.

[maiden badge]

Looking up on "collocation". Big thanks! ✨

[charred harbor]

Urlaube hab ich fast noch nie gehört, wenn ich ganz ehrlich bin

[long whale]

unsurprised

[undone verge]

hello! If I want to say that a professor conveyed his excitement for the topics....
Der Professor hat seine Leidenschaft für die Themen effektiv übermittelt?

or is there a more sensible word for this

also, could it take a dative object like uns/den Student*innen?

maybe vermitteln 🤔

[autumn marsh]

i mean, you added "effektiv" even though it's not in your original sentence, is there a reason for that?

"übermitteln" isn't a good word for what you want to say either way, what you can "übermitteln" is e.g. a .pdf via email

[undone verge]

I had already written the german sentence and just tried to give a rough idea of what I want to say in english

[autumn marsh]

ahh okay

[undone verge]

not a direct translation

[undone verge]

ah okay. I already sent it off with 'vermitteln' instead of übermitteln. Hopefully it doesn't sound completely stupid but it's no secret I'm not native 🙈 😂

[autumn marsh]

it's a little weird at this point, ngl ... "eine Leidenschaft effektiv vermitteln" hmm

nono "vermitteln" is good

[undone verge]

I said something like 'Der Professor hat den Student*innen sowohl den Lernstoff als auch seine Leidenschaft für die behandelten Themen effektiv und klar vermittelt'

[autumn marsh]

mhm yea i mean it works, but i'd still not say: "effektiv die Leidenschaft vermitteln", 'effektiv' just sounds odd there, but it's not totally wrong, and maybe someone else will perceive that differently

i'd split it, e.g.:

"Der P. hat die Studenten mit seiner Leidenschaft für die Themen begeistert und uns den Stoff effektiv und klar vermittelt."

[undone verge]

💡 yes, that does make more sense!

[autumn marsh]

you can also say

"Der P. hat [uns] mit seiner Leidenschaft für das Thema angesteckt und es gleichzeitig effektiv und klar vermittelt."

there are a few more options. but the way you did it was just fine

[undone verge]

angesteckt. Das wäre mir nie eingefallen haha. Thank you for the helpful advice. 🙂

[autumn marsh]

entfachen, entzünden ...

[viral jolt]

you can "anstecken" a virus oder sowas, no?

[autumn marsh]

sich anstecken (mit)

[stone forge]

"Ich bin am 19. Januar geboren" - Can i replace "bin" with "war"?

[viral jolt]

nope

it'd be 'wurde'

ich wurde 19. Januar geboren.

[timid vector]

To further explain the concept, "war" would mean you previously had your birthday on Jan 19th but now you were born some other day

[deep thicket]

Am*

[viral jolt]

oh, hab unabsichtlich weggelassen

[deep thicket]

Passt schon

Wollts nur sagen

[dry olive]

ich bin mir beinah sicher, dass ich die beiden folgenden Sätze gesehen habe:
ich kann mich vorstellen
ich kann mir vorstellen
und wenn ich recht habe, ‘mir vorstellen’ betont also eher ein geistiges Bild, (wie ‘to envision’ oder ‘to picture’ auf Englisch’), während ‘mich vorstellen’ ist quasi allgemeiner…? Es spricht einfach aus, dass man sich etwas einbilden oder glauben kann (‘ to imagine’ auf englisch…?)

Egal ob jene Analyse stimmt (dennoch will ich das wissen!), gibt’s weitere Beispiele davon, dass reflexive Verben auch eine Form haben, die bloß den Dativ nimmt?

[near venture]

"ich kann mich vorstellen" I can introduce myself
"ich kann mir vorstellen" I can imagine

with dative it means to imagine, with accusative it means to introduce

that's the difference

[dry olive]

ach so

das Reflexivpronomen ist denn ‘mir’ in erster Person Singular?

[near venture]

Ja genau

[dry olive]

ist es immer so?

[near venture]

was sonst kann es sein haha

[dry olive]

mich, oder?

[long whale]

What kind of rule do you have in mind?

[near venture]

das ist auch der erste Personal Singular, nur im Akkusativ

es ist ein Unterschied der Kasus

das ist alles

[dry olive]

gibts nimmer einen Fall, da man ‘mich’ mit einem reflexiven Verb anwendet?

[near venture]

ja schon

wie dein Beispiel

Ich stelle mich vor

"I introduce myself"

[long whale]

As per usual, you have to learn the construction required by a certain verb, its Rektion with the verb itself. 🤷

[dry olive]

also lass uns ein verschiedenes Beispiel untersuchen, würde man sagen ‘ich befleißige mich’ oder ‘ich befleißige mir’?

[long whale]

"sich einer Sache (Gen) befleißigen" - ich befleißige mich richtiger Grammatik. (Pretty much obsolete, this verb.)

[dry olive]

das ist denn eine Situation, in der man ‘mich’ für ein reflexives Verb benutzt, oder?

[long whale]

When in doubt, just check DWDS: https://www.dwds.de/wb/befleißigen (not sure what the thinking is about, Mashy?)

[near venture]

I didn't know it can take 3 cases

[long whale]

Huh?

[near venture]

I meant, I didn't know you can say both "mir" and "mich" to use it in both cases

[long whale]

Well, quite often, the reflexive pronoun will be in Dativ if the verb also requires a direct object (Akk). Unfortunately, it's not a rule -> learn Rektion by heart. 🤷

[long whale]

Where did you see that?

[dry olive]

noch mehr in die flaschkarten hineinzustellen 😔

[near venture]

that means both can be used or? @long whale

[long whale]

Well, as I said, the verb is pretty much obsolete -> arguing about its construction is pretty much a moot point. Still, please be aware that this is the great disadvantage of online dictionaries: if enough people get a construction wrong, the dictionary will offer the wrong construction as a valid choice.

Neither Duden nor DWDS offer anything but Akk for the reflexive pronoun, or anything but Genitiv for the thing you're striving for.

[near venture]

I see, so what the website states is actually wrong? you can't use dative with that verb?

[long whale]

Afraid so, yes.

[near venture]

Ah okay

[dry olive]

natürlich bist du nicht dem zuverlässig Susana, aber es scheint mir ein bisschen seltsam dass die typische Form, mit der wir Schüler Verben lernen, im dritten Person steht, wenn tatsächlich ‘sich’ die sogenannte Rektion eigentlich verbirgt

[long whale]

Yes, I can see how that's a problem. However, a good dictionary offers example sentences and/or indicates the case to make it clear.

[dry olive]

jedenfalls, ich danke euch

[near venture]

Ich glaube ich kann dir dabei helfen, es gibt eine Website, auf der die reflexiven Verben im Dativ und Akkusativ aufgelistet sind, und sie sind nach Niveaus geordnet

https://deutsch.lingolia.com/en/grammar/verbs/reflexive-verbs/list

[obsidian fiber]

Hello, I made a poem. If anyone wants to correct it/suggest things:

Wunderschön bist du wirklich nicht, aber ich lieb deine Lippen
Ob du mich sehr liebst oder nicht, ich habe viel um dich geweint
Was du mit Tränen zu mir spricht, werde ich depressiv finden
Jetzt fähr ich ohne deine Licht, sag mir nie, du hast mich vereint

[steel patrol]

Sollte man eigentlich "Neugier" oder "Neugierde" sagen -- oder geht beides? Welches wird häufiger verwendet? Danke. 🙂

(Ich hoffe, ich habe das vorher schon nicht gefragt)

[deep thicket]

Ich glaube Neugier wird öfter verwendet

[chilly heart]

Warum sind deutsche Jungen immer in Nike tech anzügen

Das mein frage

[deep thicket]

💀💀

Es ist einfach style heutzutage

[hoary citrus]

Komisch

[chilly heart]

Style ?das siegt schlimmer aus als in der steinzeit

[deep thicket]

JAHAHAHAH

Manche finden es cool schätze ich 💀

Ah stimmt der Brief

[chilly heart]

Naja manche Leute sind auch mental nicht mehr gesund

[plain umbra]

Please only use these channels to ask questions about the German language. You can use General Discussion channels to chat.

[hoary citrus]

Ok

Sorry

[chilly heart]

Where Else should i talk

[plain umbra]

#german-only or #general are fine.

[deep thicket]

Ich wollte ihnen eh bei Texten helfen

Bei einer Geschichte und einem Brief