No plan at the moment, just free til Sept. 1st basically. Chilling in Hamburg 👀
#archived-culture-study-visa
fair talon
limpid oyster
https://www.sympat.me/mini-job-germany/ @tame forum
tame forum
Danke
fair talon
Im just curious what sort of jobs are available 😅 still gonna be a bit longer til I can actually do any (need to get my residence permit all figured out)
limpid oyster
@fair talon if you have a student visa you have 120 full days of work available
I heard thats even written on it
20h a week so working half a day all week
fair talon
Yup 👀 and then theres a few exceptions for things like school mandated work (ex: my degree has a mandatory internship period)
fair talon
Management 👀
limpid oyster
Nice
faint plaza
Oh fancy
fair talon
Mhm.
The internship will definitely help with my budget
fair talon
Im about break even at the moment for the 2 year program (i.e. if I stick to my budget, I'll have exactly 0 left at the end)
So anything else is positive money :D
faint plaza
For part time jobs I would need a lil bit more info hah
fair talon
Yeah, its more something to do once ive gotten a feel for the classwork load
But thanks! Some of those look pretty good 😊
limpid oyster
@fair talon oh yea do note
Companies who know you're doing a forced internship will pay less
Then they would pay for a student job
obsidian steeple
Hi! does anyone have any recommendations for what type of SIM card to get when staying in Germany?
fair talon
Prepaid or contract?
faint plaza
Normally a throwaway if you are not here for long
Are you coming to study or just for vacation? @obsidian steeple
fair talon
Personally, im with a prepaid even though im here for 2 years. Havent found a company that offers better for cheaper
faint plaza
Vodafone does
obsidian steeple
i'm going there for a summer school for a month
faint plaza
If you are under 27 they have such a great deal
Ehhh get a prepaid card
Are you from the Eu? @obsidian steeple
If yes
You don’t need a new card
obsidian steeple
i'm not
fair talon
Im paying €8 a month for 2GB. Before that, I was paying €15 for 12 (when I didny have wifi)
obsidian steeple
@fair talon is that also vodafone?
fair talon
Nah
faint plaza
Ahhh @obsidian steeple
Okey I had the prepaid card from lebara.
Cheap and good
15€ for 10gb
Text and call flat
fair talon
The €8 is LIDL's cause im lazy. (Could get more for the same, but id have to walk further and I dont need more 😅)
The 15€ for 12GB was Ay Yildiz, a turkish company on O2/Vodafone's network
fair talon
But ya, best I saw for under 20€ was T-mobile offering 4gb for 19.99€ 😅
As far as contracts
So im just sticking with prepaid
faint plaza
I pay around 59€ for 19gb and the newest phone
Without the phone I would pay 20€ for 19gb 🤷🏼♂️
Vodafone is love
obsidian steeple
thanks guys ill takes these into consideration
fair talon
Mhm. Which plan depends on how much data you need
But for a summer stay, definitely a prepaid
faint plaza
^
fair talon
Oh, and word of advice with prepaids: Keep the card/papers they give you with the sim in it somewhere safe. Almost got my phone locked out because I didnt know I needed it 😅 (thankfully it was still at the bottom of the trash can)
PUKs are annoying
obsidian steeple
👍
limpid oyster
So at TUDresden you can apply for the uni and if you get accepted, your acceptance is valif for a year, if you don't meet the German language requirement you can take a DSH prep course which is like 3-4 months
My question is, if I do get accepted and book a prep course
Does the visa I apply for be a student visa or a german language learning visa?
The latter means I can't part time which would suck for financing
molten hearth
afaik the latter
fair talon
Hm, I think the former. Provided you have the admission letter from the uni?
I'd ask the university's Student Services department. I usually got a response the next business day, at most 2 or 3
tame forum
Afaik i too think it will be the latter. The admission that the uni gives will be conditional to u finishing the language first. Thats not a firm admission. And for a student visa u need a firm admission letter @limpid oyster
acoustic stream
I was told I can ask around here for traveling advice? I'm planning in going to Germany in November and info on ways to save money and where to avoid would be greatly appreciated
fair talon
Advice on what?
Where in Germany are you planning to visit?
How long of a visit? @acoustic stream
acoustic stream
I'm going alongside some friends and we're planning to go around a few of the major cities for a week or two. I probably wont stay as long but I still plan to go to some of them
Just advice on how to spend less, what places tourist dont go thats really cool, places to avoid, that sort of stuff. Stuff only locals would probably know.
solemn bay
It's probably easier for people to give advice if you know which cities.
acoustic stream
Is it though? They can just describe their city and experiences.
Also to anyone: how much is the minimum you'd think I need to survive per day in, say, Berlin? Like full on budget, eating rice and beans, staying in peoples homes, using transportation etc.
Euro wise
thorny hill
@acoustic stream lol it is easier for someone from a city to tell you about that city
@acoustic stream not all Germans are from every city
acoustic stream
True, anyone here from Berlin?
fair talon
Ive been there before, did a weeklong vacation about a year or so ago
Wouldnt be able to help with budget eating as much since that requires a bit more familiarity in-person with the city, but definitely a few spots I can reccomend visiting 👀
(If its anything like Hamburg tho, döner at places like Ali Baba is both cheap and amazing)
fair talon
Ugh, German Netflix has betrayed me
limpid oyster
Who has experience with getting a dorm in a German uni?
exotic barn
I'm not sure but I don't think universities have dorms themselves in Germany, I think those are ran independently from the universities.
In other words you'll have to look around the city you'll be studying in
limpid oyster
There's dorms run by the studenrwerk
Whatever that is
Uni website links them
Student halls
Im just wondering if I'm reading them right but it seems single dorms aren't that much cheaper than shared ones
So I don't get the point in getting a shared one
Minus availability
fair talon
Availability + some people dont like/want to live alone
@vague brook Just finding out that subtitles are licensed differently than the shows theyre on. A few of the shows on my watch list are available, but only with German subtitles ;-;
Which is annoying for anime >.>
@limpid oyster Like Hack said, dorms arent neccesarily run by the unis themselves. However, theres usually a number of spots "reserved" for the uni that help a bit if youre quick. (Mine had spots in two dorm halls, but I took too long and got waitlisted)
limpid oyster
Oh I see
vague brook
yeah thats annoying
i usually avoid watching anime on netflix in germany, german subs with anime somehow cringe me
fair talon
Mhm. I swear im trying not to use shady sites, but im subscribed to three different fucking streaming services and all of them have some kind of availability issue >.>
Even Crunchyroll didnt have some
vague brook
yup
fair talon
Eh, I try when I can. But its pretty dumb how hard they make it for me to give them streaming money
fair talon
Ive got Hulu, Netflix, Amazon Prime and a trial of HBO (thank god for family sharing lol)
vague brook
yeah
fair talon
But I still cant watch half the crap I want to legally >.>
vague brook
i don't watch that much anyway
fair talon
Eh, Ive got literally nothing to do all summer
Figured id get through my "Watch later" list
Some surprisingly good stuff 👀
limpid oyster
Look
If they don't offer you a product
They don't care if you don't buy it
They're not getting your money anyway so go for it
fair talon
Mhm. Thats my line of thought too.
Its still stupid tho
molten hearth
Henlo,
„soll ich diesen mit Post schicken oder wollen Sie Abholung mit Kurier organisieren? "
What's the difference? Isn't kurier already involved mit post?
tight kelp
I think they mean you'd pick up the item from the courier yourself, in the second case
molten hearth
If I reply very short like "mit Post bitte", should I still add Sehr geehrte.. and MfG?
tight kelp
you don't really risk anything if you get less formal with someone who uses "wollen" that way, if you ask me. You can also use something lighter like Guten Tag instead of Sehr geehrte, or just match their formula
molten hearth
Thanks @tight kelp she sometimes goes very informal like “I mean this!!!!!!!” and without Grußformel and stuff 😕
brisk lotus
Does anyone know if as a Werkstudent I'm eligible to get paid for the days off once my contract ends ? Just like a vollzeit contract would be like..
lyric glacier
you're working at the university? If so then not
you only get paid for the hours you work
brisk lotus
@lyric glacier I probably didn't explain myself correctly. I used to work at a company as a working student, now after the employment ends like with any other employment contract, if the employer hasn't used all of his available vacation days in that year then he gets reimbursed for them after the termination.
I wanted to know if that also applies to a working student contract
tight kelp
i don't know anything specific to werkstudents but this may depend on your contract. Or it may be general to work law in germany and thus affect you regardless of your status as werkstudent. It seems plausible that they'd have to reinburse the unclaimed vacation, and I don't see why being a werkstudent would change this. But as I said, this is just my own impression
fair talon
Actual question: Is there a reason hours are so all over the place at German offices? My bank, the Anmeldung office, and apparently even the Welcome Center have the strangest hours
Not any specific day's hours, just how much it changes from day to day
tame forum
man these guys have the sweetest jobs..... even the people working at the german consulate in dubai are jus chilling half the time
soo jealouss 😦
tame forum
we cud literally hear them laughing lolll
faint plaza
And if they are verbeamtet they can’t lose there job ever
tame forum
*googles how to join Beamte
vague brook
they can, but they really need to try hard to lose it
faint plaza
Corruption is a way
vague brook
yup
faint plaza
But hey if you get one of those jobs
tame forum
if a person manages to loose their job, theey shud be crowned dumbass of the century
tame forum
maybe i cud become something like german diplomat to india or something.
vague brook
i mean, they are not paid that great, but your life is pretty stable
so i guess is already better than most of society
lol
tame forum
the only scenario i see where my hindi and german skills both can be useful
tame forum
vahti with all the time they cud have at the office..... they cud start like 10 passive income bussinesses
faint plaza
^
vague brook
but that's not working in one place, that's working extra
tight kelp
friendly reminder that the hours you see there are just the time they're open to the public, not all their work hours
vague brook
yeah
tight kelp
not in germany, but my mum works an office job in public administration and it's not that rosey
tame forum
but thats true for govrnment workers all over the world
vague brook
and for example verbeamtet lehrer makes like 3600 euro brutto, with possible income of 4100 in 20 years
i guess it depends who you're comparing to who
tame forum
even in india they jus sit on their asses and take bribes
vague brook
but for me that's not a great pay
tight kelp
...how nice
vague brook
if you take bribes as a beamte in germany and it lands in your papers, have fun finding a normal job in the future
faint plaza
^
tame forum
in india thats seen like a prerequisite of getting the job hahah
faint plaza
Lmfao
fair talon
Ugh, glad to see theres no fancy reason behind it 😅
Its the most frustrating thing >.>
exotic barn
hey guys is anyone here familiar with the undergraduate admissions procedure
fair talon
What part of it?
fair talon
Ah, I see. Can't help you much with that part, but I think theres a few on here who might be able to
exotic barn
okay so are there any universities which offer conditional acceptance without proof of german language proficiency?
fair talon
Theres programs taught in English, yes. But those are rare at the undergraduate level. (Most are graduate programs or higher)
DAAD lets you sort by Language of instruction I believe
(Some programs in German will let you do a Studienkolleg (not sure if thats spelled right) to bring your German up before the program, but I'm not sure on the requirements or circumstances that allow that)
true citrus
Yo, do you guys know if uni assist registers letters received on saturday and sunday?
winged quiver
Hey, I'm wanting to study at LMU Munich Science (most likely gonna settle on Biology), how hard do you think it will be to get in?
Im a rising Junior and currently have a 4.0 (1.0 in Germany) This next year I'm going to take all the AP classes needed (according the DAAD)
I haven't gotten my Germany proficency yet but will do that either my senior and junior year. I think I'm at b2 so If I keep working at it then I should be fine.
So yeah, if I have a 4.0, 3+ in AP German/Bio/Computer Science A/ English Language/Calculus, the C1 certification and all the other documents do I have a good chance of being accepted?
Please ping me
winged quiver
Okay phew thanks 😃
fair talon
Yeah, its a lot less crazy competitive here than the colleges in the US. Take it seriously, but dont stress over it like youre trying to get into Stanford 😅
fair talon
Well, even state colleges are a bit competitive. Youre still expected to prove even beyond your grades why you're qualified to enter (lots of extracurricular and letter of motivation focus)
The German colleges (at least all of the ones I looked at before being admitted) were all super open about their admission process
Example: Most unis had their application grading system publicy available in pretty straightforward language. Here's Universität Hamburg's
tame forum
ohhh yahhh.... i remember now.....all the motivation letters and stuff like that
Usa is too extra
fair talon
Mhm
fair talon
My 2 year Masters program is going to cost less than half of one Semester at my Bachelors 👀 including cost of living here
tame forum
damnn
i dont get it...... the hype isnt constrained to USA too. its international... people DIE to get into USA colleges
fair talon
@winged quiver I'll see if I can find LMU Munich's list, but even just going off of most Ive seen, youre well on track as long as you get that German down
tame forum
even my friends shelling out thousands of dhirams to go USA. like wtf
fair talon
Mhm. We had a loooot of international students at ours. Especially Middle East kids
Even two or three House of Saud folks
tame forum
yah man the hype is crazzy here for usa
in dubai
when there are usa educational fairs people turn up like its a concert
tame forum
as in he was driving with a dubai liscence plate
fair talon
Yeh
tame forum
wtf
fair talon
Fancy ass car too
tame forum
thats a new kinda flex
btw those plates are crazy expensive too
like u cud buy a house with them expensive
fair talon
Yeah, thats why I mentioned it :p
Had a few classmates from there (was doing an Arabic minor)
tame forum
driving with a foreign plate is a mention worthy fact in itself
exactly. unis know the demand abroad too........ thats one off the reasons too they dont reduce fees
and people here with USA degrees get paid better
fair talon
Yeah, saw a few offers on LinkedIn for a few Saudi jobs. Stupid amounts of money 😅
My program here in Germany is pretty international too since its an English-language program
tame forum
yah white people themeselves tend to get better jobs here
way better
ME is a weird place
fair talon
Yup. Would love to visit someday tho if I can ever afford it lol
tame forum
theres nothing here that u cant experience elsewhere.
its boring if u dont have cash here...... m speaking from first hand experience
lol
fair talon
Eh, I liked Morocco. Wouldnt mind seeing Oman or Jordan
tame forum
oh yah true... i thought u meant uae in particular
fair talon
Nah nah
Not nearly rich enough for that 😂
Was described to me by some Emiraties as "Rich peoples' disneyland"
fair talon
Well, I dont, sooo 😅
Ive got a strict budget for that 2 year program
Everything down to my prepaid SIM card
tame forum
nah then steer away from here lolll
fair talon
I will say tho, food in Germany is surprisingly cheap 👀
Im living on about $2/2€ a meal
fair talon
I usually make breakfast and dinner so I can splurge on döner for lunch :p
Found a 3€ döner durum place thats great
tame forum
i gotta learn cooking in 2 months somehow 😅
fair talon
What happens in 2 months?
tight kelp
learning to cook is a myth
tame forum
wdym brzi?
fair talon
Damn, too far 😅 im in Hamburg
tight kelp
you don't learn to cook, you just learn some basic, flexible recipes you can augment and modify
then if you actually like experimenting, over time you "learn to cook"
fair talon
I just need to find more quick and eady recipes
tight kelp
but to survive in a really dignified way, all you have to do is look up how you can use the ingredients you can buy (instead of buying premade meals)
tame forum
shit my mom says the same thing brzi said.... not learning to cook being a myth but teaching me modifieable recipies
tight kelp
i'm probably biased but pasta is the holy grail of cheap and easy cooking
rice too tbh
fair talon
The secret is learning to make a wrap/burrito. Anything can go in that
fair talon
kinda
tight kelp
you can make a chicken curry pretty easily
tame forum
lmao chicken curry aint the only thing we indians eat
exotic barn
Brotzeit is the holy grail of easy “cooking” 👌 
fair talon
You mean just Brot :p
tight kelp
i mean, not everything in indian (or any) cuisine is complicated
tight kelp
there's some fairly complicated stuff in italian cuisine, but the staple recipes are easy and tasty
tame forum
yah gonna learn the easy ones for now.
tight kelp
i recommend learning to make pasta, it's easy af and you can top it with whatever (ok, some things are taboo, but as long as you don't tell me, you can top it with whatever)
i'm always available to give advice on that
fair talon
Also folding a wrap 👀
You can put whatever leftovers you want inside
tight kelp
btw you'll be living pretty close to me, Dortmund and Duisburg aren't very far
though ew, duisburg
tame forum
yah ppl keep saying than=(
tight kelp
@fair talon you can learn both :P
fair talon
Better than Bremen at least 👀
tight kelp
it's just ugly xD
tame forum
not many fun places too i presume
tight kelp
but don't worry, trains can bring you where the stuff is
fair talon
Mhm
tame forum
THIS^^
tame forum
if i get a house near the Hauptbahnhof m set
tight kelp
essen is cool, dortmund has some fun places and parks, düsseldorf i guess is nice (but köln is so much nicer omg)
fair talon
I can go fucking 50km out on that thing 😅
tame forum
and the unis semeseter tickets r expensive af so m gonna sqeeuze ever euro out of it
btw with a semester ticket are trains free or its a discounted price?
tight kelp
depending on the pass/ticket, köln can be harder to reach though, since it's served by a different company than vrr
tame forum
my sem ticket almsot costs 300 Euros per sem
tame forum
ik its amazing
fair talon
coming from America which has maybe 2 that are actually decent
tight kelp
consider that a subscription in the A3 price range (necessary to move within big cities like dortmund, but not enough to go much farther) costs like 67€ a month
tame forum
i think in my sem pass entire northrheinwestphalia is inlcuded
i prolly butchered the name pls forgive
tight kelp
then it's an amazing deal
fair talon
@tame forum two cities, thats it 😅 New York and DC
fair talon
Yeah, im getting one as well thats the full 5 rings
tight kelp
but wait are those sem passes just for students?
fair talon
Yup
tight kelp
bummer
fair talon
Yeah, its partly subsidized by them
You pay a fee each semester, and they give you a full access pass
tight kelp
i wish there was anything that convenient available to me 😅
tight kelp
then it's possible it doesn't cover the whole state
fair talon
Idk about the whole state
tight kelp
but just the VRR area
fair talon
They usually cover the whole city tho
tight kelp
which does cover a lot
tame forum
ahh...... i assumed VRR was the whole state
fair talon
Like mine is HVV's network, which goes out in a 50km radius
fair talon
It gets me to the next major city
tame forum
ahh lucky....... in germany its so easy to bounce from one major city to another
i havnt experienced that living heer
tight kelp
VRR is one company. It covers many "useful" cities like düsseldorf, dortmund and anything inbetween. Not sure exactly how far it extends but afaik it's maybe the largest one
tame forum
oh shit i was gonna get admission in rostock too
as in they havnt replied back but i think i can get in
are the scandinavian countries and germany joined with land?
fair talon
Nope
tame forum
ah bad luck
tame forum
u cud have visited them
hmm..... i have heard plane tickets are subsidised?
are they subsidised only for germans or everyone?
or they are jus anturally cheap?
tight kelp
they're technically connected since denmark is a nordic country
fair talon
Eh, more to do with a lot of air travel legal mumbo jumbo
tight kelp
and there are trains that cross the sea from denmark to sweden
tame forum
oh like the english channel?
tight kelp
no it's a long bridge rather
tame forum
ohh
fair talon
Planes can fly from one EU country to the next without having to pay the foreign country airfare fees other airlines do
So Ryanair and other budget airlines can do European flights super cheap
tight kelp
though flying with them is fucking terrible, lemme tell you
and it's getting worse
and also less safe
tame forum
i never knew that was also something that was counted in our tickets
tame forum
yah exactly... affects ticekt prices..... i thought it was jus fuel, profts, and wages or something
fair talon
Fuel profit wages, airport fee, airspace fee
Plus maintence of the aircraft (different aircraft have different maintence rates)
tame forum
charging for using airspace is wack
fair talon
Gotta pay for the air traffic control somehow. You seen how much they get paid?
tame forum
yeahh
actually yah its smart asking for money.... wait so how do EU countries fund air traffic control?
taxes?
fair talon
Other airlines still pay
fair talon
Only airlines based in the country dont pay
Its why Icelandic Air is the cheapest way across for Americans. Theyre the only ones who can stop in Iceland and not pay the international rate
Had a few pilot friends, this is all by just sitting around with em 😅
tame forum
ahh....... damn i will choose some european airline when flying there too
fair talon
Google Flights is gonna be your friend for finding the cheapest flight
If youre heading out in two months, nows the time to start looking 👀
tame forum
yah but my Visa 😦
tight kelp
it's actually late 👀
fair talon
Well, 2-3 is reccomended
fair talon
Rip
tight kelp
also, tough luck, because two months from now means august, which is high season for tourism and plane tickets are going to soar, if you allow the wordplay
fair talon
You know whats crazy
tame forum
yah but from my country tourism ends around that time
tight kelp
sorry i'm an idiot, it's september
tame forum
people start returning.... cuz schools start in sept
tight kelp
but still
tame forum
yahh.... i guess i might book in a week
fair talon
I have classmates on the uni page who are going to try and get housing & paperwork done the week uni starts
tame forum
then jus cancel if i ont get a visa
tight kelp
apparently my mind calendar is at least ten days late
tame forum
but if i dont get a visa m done..... dont have any back up plan for any other uni
tight kelp
i have to go back home to italy next month and i had to avoid planes at all costs
fair talon
I meam, the visa should go well provided everything is in order.
fair talon
If youre already admitted, the only other thing to worry about is proof of funds
The rest is just paperwork
tame forum
yah m good with that too....
but still paranoid bout the interview
jus the whole visa thing is tense as hell..... it can jus get rejected and theres nothing u can do
fair talon
If its any consolation, I actually went on the wrong day for mine 😅
They were super chill avout it, let me reschedule for the next day
tame forum
hope the germans here are chill too
fair talon
Just be there on time and have all your paperwork organized. They like that 👀
The time part is the biggest thing. They run on German time, not MENA time 😅
10 means 10, not 10-11ish
tame forum
hahahah..... yah the time culture has messed us up..... but yah my dad is paranoid when it comes to legal stuff...... he will drag me there 2 hrs early or something
fair talon
Good on him :p
Dont stress it though. Getting admitted was the hard part. The visa stuff is largely just paperwork
You'll do fine 😊
tame forum
Thankss
tight kelp
@tame forum >call them to germany
you overestimate how much people earn in italy after more than a decade of economic crisis :D
tame forum
wait there was an economic crises there?
tight kelp
it's been ongoing since the early 2000s basically, on and off
that's what bad politics does to a country
tame forum
damn almost 2 decades
fair talon
It wasnt as big news as the Greek one, but it happened around the same time I think
tight kelp
yeah
tame forum
sometimes it feels like democracy is jus dictatorship (lite)
u jus get to choose the government
tight kelp
it wasn't a one-hit disaster, rather a long quagmire
tame forum
and they do whatever the shit they want
tight kelp
don't get me started on politics ^^"
fair talon
hides in American
tame forum
lets conclude this convo with UWU
m so disappointed theres no uwu emoji here
the one time i needed it
fair talon
UwU
exotic barn
doch @tame forum
exotic barn
clyde is a discord internal bot that sometimes pops in whenever the client is memeing up
exotic barn
it's an emote on this server, so technically you should be able to use it. Discord just sometimes won't let you for whatever reason
exotic barn
I don’t have nitro
tame forum
maybe clyde jus likes u more
faint plaza
plucky swan
Is there any particular popular chain of bookstores in Germany? I’m thinking of something like on the level of Barnes and Noble in the USA
Does such a bookstore exist?
exotic barn
I believe that would be Mayersche, but I'm not sure if they exist all over Germany
Yeah no, nevermind, they are located mostly around NRW
tight kelp
Thalia is popular here but i don't know how far they extend
foggy prism
they extend to switzerland
don’t like them tho
tight kelp
why is that
cinder barn
their ads are annoying... wie findest du das? Bei Thalia REEEEE
shut gorge
thalia is basically the only bookstore chain in Austria, but I don't mind them
fleet pelican
I love thalia 
exotic barn
Hey guys, I'm looking to get a conditional letter of admission for getting a study visa so that I can come to Germany to learn the language and then enroll in a studienkolleg
I applied to TU Chemnitz via uni-assist but apparently they won't issue a conditional letter without at least a B1 level certificate
So do you know any other university I can apply to?
(to get a conditional letter)
brisk lotus
That's not how it goes. you have to register for a language course which would get you the visa
after you finish the language and studien kolleg, then you can apply normally to the university of your choice
@exotic barn
exotic barn
wait, isn't a language course visa different from student visa?
brisk lotus
you get a student visa once you are enrolled
language course visa is called something along the lines of "student preparation visa"
which you'll have to get first to pass the language and studienkolleg
only then and after you're enrolled you can get the normal student visa
so no need to use uni-assist for now 👍
exotic barn
does this apply to non EU or EEA countries as well?
i looked it up and a website says that once the language course is complete I would need to go back to my home country and then apply again for a student visa
brisk lotus
This applies to non EU countries only actually..since EU citizens don't need a visa
What's your nationality ?
If you're already in Germany with a student preparation visa + enrolled at uni then you can get the student visa while in Germany, no need to go back home
but again, it depends on your passport..for some countries they're even allowed to come to EU for 3 months as a tourist without applying for a visa..
exotic barn
i'm from india, i think the whole thing is going to be different in my case
okay so if i apply for a student preparation visa, it's only going to last till the duration of my language course
would i have to go back and re apply or can i extend it after enrolling in a studienkolleg?
exotic barn
oh okay, these websites are confusing as hell lol
brisk lotus
yea I feel you
tame forum
@exotic barn afaik, conditional acceptence for unis which teach in c1/c2 require b1/b2 for conditional admission contingent that u pass ur german exam then conditional turns to unconditional. however in the case that ur german is at A1/A0 (basic/jus starting out) then unis wont give conditional. u will have to attend a language course first there. as for about the "returning back to the home country" stuff i am not really sure about that".
exotic barn
wait, does it come under schengen visa or german national visa?
tame forum
i contacted the german embassy in my country and they told me something like "prospective student Visa" doesnt exist..... even though DAAD mentions it.
its written "confirmed language course (“Intensiv-Sprachkurs”) with conditional university admission (“bedingter Zulassungsbescheid”)" so ii think there shud be another type of visa for language learners
but afaik, the embassy told me there is no "prospective student visa"
so i think u cant go to germany to learn german without a conditional admssion from a university.
the Email from my local german embassy saying that theres no such cateegory as a prospective student Visa.
and the PDF file uploaded on the embassys website which states the 3 situations u can apply for a student Visa. @exotic barn
so yah my guess would be studying enough german at ur local goethe or by urself to be able to get a uni cnditional acceptance. and then applying for the student Visa numbered 6b in the above piic i sent from the pdf
exotic barn
well, that sucks
guess there's no way other than emailing a bunch of universities to ask if they issue conditional letters
tight kelp
I don't think they're going to give you anything unless your german fits their requirements, and none are going to have requirements in the level A ballpark
exotic barn
there are some
language schools can actually get us a conditional letter, they have tie ups with some unis
those are the unis i'm trying to find
hmm, what if i directly asked a language school 🤔 lol
plucky swan
So then is it Mayersche, Thalia, or some other bookstore?
tame forum
@exotic barn yes asking the language school itself is the best option right now
i think they ave tie ups with unis to maybe go over the condition of having a coditional admission to learn german in germany
yah i think that might be it
exotic barn
are you planning to study in germany too?
tame forum
yes
exotic barn
can i pm you then?
tame forum
ye
surreal ermine
Weiß jemand ob und wenn ja inwiefern Stipendien mit dem BAföG verrechnet werden?
tame forum
guys. idk if this is common in every university, but this uni is saying "1st oct= semester beginning" and "14th october= Vorlesung beginning"
in my mind i dont see any difference between the 2 events. yet the dates are different. so when the semester begins, the classes dont?
waht takes place then in the 2 weeks in the middle
if this is something that isnt common in other unis, i will gladly call the uni to ask them. but i wanna know here first if anyone has any idea how unis roll
surreal ermine
It's like that at my uni for one of my subjects, semester begin is one week before Vorlesungsbeginn. Usually in that first week there are introduction courses for people in their first semester or such
tame forum
hmm ..... nothings mentioned regarding about it being only for new students or anything but i guess old students come directly at 14th.......anyways if theres something happening between those 2 weeks i will prolly reach early then
danke
vague brook
@tame forum are you moving to germany? O:
vague brook
most of german cities are ugly anyway
tame forum
lets see..... i was surfing the city on google maps a few mins back with the streetview thing
but i got bored since it was mostly resident buildings and didnt know any good places anyways
exotic barn
The places I've been to in Germany are anything but ugly.
tame forum
which cities have u been to?
vague brook
i wasnt, big cities are ugly af for me
gray, full of people and loud
i think heidelberg is the only city i actually liked
but its also not that big, 150k
tame forum
ur head would explode in india
vague brook
i also liked koblenz and trier
tame forum
if u think german cities are being loud
vague brook
~100k
vague brook
rostock is 200
tame forum
oh damn thats too much for vahti
vague brook
i like when there's lots of green stuff around
vague brook
even now i'm living on an edge of 10k city, right next to a forest
and two parks
in a very quiet area
tame forum
easy for someone to rob 😛
tame forum
u mean strays or tame?
tame forum
oh okk lol
i used to think there went any in uae too but some people jus abandon their dogs n i saw one today morning roaming near my bldg
vague brook
i haven't seen a stray dog yet here
tame forum
cats?
vague brook
hard to say, there are probably some
but all the cats here look very well taken care of
and are tamed and want patpats
tame forum
cat
lucid valveBOT
tame forum
damn i wanna pet them too
vague brook
uhh, no specific name
vague brook
but when we used to talk about it it was something like "that smelly bastard who shits a ton"
never ever keeping a wild hedgehog again lol
tame forum
lmao why did u decide to keep one in the first place
vague brook
because he was tiny and would die
otherwise
and his mom got splattered by a car :/
tame forum
ah shit
vague brook
but even if she wasn't splattered she'd probably leave him to die
tame forum
mom wasnt as fast as sanic
vague brook
that's what mama hedgehogs do when its late autumn and they have offspring too late
tame forum
wait wth...... leave him to die..... those cuties are savages
vague brook
yep
tame forum
happy that i am at the top of the foodchain where our moms cant pull this shit on us
vague brook
yeah sometimes they have offspring too late and the young ones don't have enough time to get fat enough to hibernate over winter
tame forum
ahh so no use wasting resources on it anyways. is what the mom must have thought
vague brook
we found this one late november, they should be 600g before december, this one was 250 when we found him
tame forum
cuz it will die
vague brook
yea but he grew really fast, like doubled his weight in 4 weeks xD
and then went to sleep in our shed
tame forum
nice
wide sparrow
Does anyone here know about about visas/residency permits in Germany? If you do please DM me I am planning a move to Germany September 4th
mental oriole
I'm going to say that if you're moving that soon you're REALLY late on figuring that one out
Like, when moving to a foreign country visas are step 0
wide sparrow
True, I have heard that I could get a study visa but that takes 3 months, I could delay my move but from what I read my best route is to utilize the 90 day visa and as soon as I show up go to the alien office and start working on a residency permit application.
Americans are allowed 90 days for culture/tourism in Germany
mental oriole
I'm going to just say, that's a very very very bad idea
Have a plan before you have a date
That's a recipe for all kinds of disaster
wide sparrow
But some website say it’s better to just focus on getting a residency permit in those 90 days instead of a visa before hand because a permit allows you to do much more
mental oriole
Those websites are crazy
wide sparrow
Hmm, the Germany-visa main website is crazy?
mental oriole
Listen, as a person who lives in a foreign country, you do not want to move to a foreign country on a tourist visa
That's a bad idea
wide sparrow
I understand
mental oriole
Get a visa first, THEN move
wide sparrow
So delay 3 months for a study visa, then move then get residency?
mental oriole
Yes
wide sparrow
Because a study visa is extremely restricting
mental oriole
Trust me, you don't want to show up at an airport ready to live in a country if you only have a tourist visa
That's a good way to get sent back on the next plane
wide sparrow
The only reason I am contemplating going without one is because I have a lot of German family living in German I will be staying with until I get a permit.
mental oriole
It's still a bad plan
wide sparrow
Okay, I will look in to it more. I will email the German consulate near me
mental oriole
Disclaimer: I am not a lawyer and I've only spent three months in Germany
But it doesn't sound like a good plan
wide sparrow
A study visa wouldn’t be too hard to get since I am technically accepted at Koblenz-Landenau for Uni
But even then they said it’s easier to get a study visa in Germany vs. a consulate in the US
pastel terrace
If you live in EU you don't require any sort of reasons to move to Germany you can just hop on plane there and never leave(from what I've heard). if im wrong can someone correct me
well a country part of European Union
mental oriole
@pastel terrace He's from the US
pastel terrace
that makes things slightly more difficult
fluid moss
@pastel terrace That‘s true, but in Germany and Austria after living there for a while you have to fill out citizenship papers and such
I believe at least 3 months
pastel terrace
hmm, is it required?
fluid moss
yes
you have to fill them out
but it doesnt cost anything and you only have to just give them to a government building
exotic barn
@fluid moss citizenship papers? I only had to register my flat, that’s all
I need to be at least B1 in German to go to Germany. Well, do i still gotta be B1 to get permanent residence?
How did you get B1? You only need A1 to move afaik
solemn bay
Why would you need to be B1 to go to Germany?
tight kelp
You don't need citizenship to go to a country lol
solemn bay
Citizenship, I have no idea. But "to go to Germany" is totally different from citizenship.
solemn bay
It's hard to understand if you don't say what you mean...
tight kelp
You said go to Germany, i didn't misunderstand anything
exotic barn
Yes
I wanna go there and get either permanent resindence or citizenship. I wanted to know if there's a difference according to german speaking level for getting perm residence or citizenship?
tight kelp
Anyway, to get citizenship you need at least b1 or an education title from Germany, and to have lived eight years in continuity there
exotic barn
8 years?! Is there a way to get citizenship shorter than 8 years?
tight kelp
Permanent residence is probably much easier, but i don't know how that works
If you're married to a German spouse is shorter
It's*
solemn bay
I think it also depends what kind of residence permit you want, right?
Not sure if that affects language requirements but probably good to decide what specific one you expect to get.
exotic barn
Settlement permit
tight kelp
Countries don't give away citizenship willy-nilly
exotic barn
I see
I don't think I'll get citizenship in the future. I should focus on permanent residence then
solemn bay
You need a residence permit for 5 years before getting a settlement permit.
exotic barn
solemn bay
Well, that's what I saw when I googled it, but that means you need a reason firstly for getting a residence permit, such as... study, marriage, work, etc.
And it also depends if you're from the EU or not.
tight kelp
If you're from the eu, all this talk is useless because you can just go to Germany and live there
tight kelp
You need a reason for a country to give you permission to stay
exotic barn
I want to either study or work there.
tight kelp
I doubt there's a possibility to get a permanent permit right away
tight kelp
I don't know if it's that easy xD
vague brook
The ultimate german trap card
exotic barn
If I get a study visa and go to Germany to study in a university, will i gotta pass an exam or will i be able to study directly without any issue?
solemn bay
What kind of exam? Like the university's own exam for admission?
exotic barn
yep
'Cause I'm not German and if i go there as a student, maybe i gotta pass extra exams or something?
solemn bay
It depends on the uni but I think it's common for unis in those countries to have entrance exams. I could be wrong though.
tight kelp
It's possible you'll have to go through Studienkolleg
But in any case it's probably smarter to just ask the particular uni about your situation
exotic barn
I don't know if this really works but i wanna still ask, If i get a study visa and study in Germany, plus if i do a master degree there, can i apply for residences or citizenship?
solemn bay
If you spend the required time there, then probably, yeah.
Maybe you have to work a bit after graduating too.
exotic barn
what about with exchange programs?
yeah I'm gonna work there
I can't live there myself. I gotta work there. Value of Turkish Lira is awful
desert token
im not sure I understand the question
if you're studying here you already have a residence permit
exotic barn
My purpose is getting permanent residence and I don't think i can get it through study visa?
solemn bay
You can't directly get it through a study visa. But if you graduate in Germany and then get a job, I think you can apply then for permanent residence.
solemn bay
5 years
exotic barn
desert token
I see, maybe I dont know much about study visas
I came here to do a PhD, so it was a residence permit tied to my PhD contract (3 yrs)
exotic barn
Will i gotta pay extra while i dont have permanent residence?
desert token
I heard that with study visas you either cant work, or have very limited working hours per week that you're allowed tro do
exotic barn
What if i create my own job? But well, I cant because of turkish lira 
desert token
pay extra for what?
sorry, you seem to be all over the place with it
I guess organize your ideas first?
vague brook
i think you are allowed to work 20 hours/week during Vorlesungszeit
exotic barn
While I'm not a citizen and I don't have a permanent residence in Germany, will i have to pay extra to live there?
desert token
that much? I thought it was something like 8h/week
I dont think so
only the visa costs afaik
solemn bay
Pay extra for what exactly?
solemn bay
I mean, who would you pay and for what reason?
exotic barn
to goverment
vague brook
i think its 20h/week but there's also a "day limit", 120 full days or 240 half days
desert token
got it
solemn bay
Maybe I just don't understand that concept since nothing like that exists here.
desert token
same
exotic barn
Cool if it doesn't exist
exotic barn
thx
tame forum
if u graduate from a german uni and work in germany above a certain salary predetermined by the government for 2 continious years with an EU Blue card u can apply for PR.
but first a company has to prove to the Government that there is no other person in the entire EU who can do the work u r doing. and idk how hard or easy that process is
and also the paperwork for companies is more when hiring a non Eu person.
so yah
@exotic barn
brisk lotus
@tame forum if you graduate in Germany, the company doesn't have to prove anything. all you need is a job offer above a certain salary which depends on the field you work in.
brisk lotus
I am 100 sure because I've been through that
I've been through and assisted people with almost every type of visa
with different passports
tame forum
hmmm. intresting. i have never seen this anywhere. would you be abe to link me any website that says that?
brisk lotus
with an EU Blue Card you get equal access to the labor market in Europe
tame forum
yah thats true...... so if i understand u correctly, if a person graduates from a university in germany, he/she doesnt have to prove that thereis another person in EU that can do His/her job?
brisk lotus
and for certain fields, like software, the minimum salary is lower than usual
Exactly.
Not only that, but if you graduate in Germany then you get 1 year visa just to look for a job.
brisk lotus
Sorry 18 months
tame forum
yah that i was aware of..... but this proving thing for graduates is new to me. thanks
brisk lotus
I mean that's the whole point of a Blue Card, unlike normal work permit where you have to prove through the Agentur fuer Arbeit that no other European is qualified for that position.
tame forum
hol up..... so ur saying a person with a blue card doeesnt need to prove the the stuff with the Agentur? but the thing is to get a blue card u need a job. and to get a job u need to prove to the agentur that there is noone else that can do ur job @brisk lotus
a little confused 😅
brisk lotus
haha no
there's a normal work permit and there's a blue card
a blue card permits you to work
but you don't need to do anything with the Agentur
all you need is a degree and a job offer with minimum required salary based on the field
however, with a work permit a degree is not required but you have to go through the Agentur with the salary and other documents
brisk lotus
and it's also worth noting that specially with the normally work permit, your passport plays a role on if you get the confirmation from the Agentur
some nationalities are privileged for example
brisk lotus
It's not..
These countries:
Australia,
Israel,
Japan,
Canada,
New Zealand
the Republic of Korea,
the United States of America (USA).
the developed ones basically
brisk lotus
I guess
tame forum
but this doesnt apply if u graduate from there ya?
brisk lotus
no it doesn't
tame forum
ahh okk. got lots of cool info today
brisk lotus
if you have a degree and get it approved here then you'd get the blue card regardless of nationality
tame forum
nah i donnt have any degree rn..... gonna join a uni in germany tho.
brisk lotus
Good luck!
gray solar
Sorry to join in so late... but are you saying that there is no need for a degree to acquire a regular work permit ? (Given you’ve been offered a job)
brisk lotus
True
Of course as I mentioned it depends on the offer, contract, salary and field
maybe also the state that you wanna work in
But I've done it without a degree before, so it's possible 👍
But I do come from one of the countries mentioned above so.. 😄
faint plaza
As an Indian it should be easier to get a work permit with a college/university degree @tame forum
compact slate
I got my school leaving certificate from uni-assist and my Note is 1,5
it's good right?
brisk lotus
It's nice @compact slate 👏 what do you wanna study ?
compact slate
Informatik
brisk lotus
getting into Informatik here is way easier than Israel
I also enrolled into Informatik here with less than 1.5
I was accepted in 11 universities
basically all you need is the language certificate and you're in
brisk lotus
around August-September yea
compact slate
Thanks 😃
exotic barn
https://canary.discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/400678824301297683/599252495109193769
One year for only looking for a job?
or is it a limit date to get a job through student visa?
tight kelp
finding a job takes time
tame forum
i assume most of the time goes in the company replying back to you. you replying back to them. processing of papers and beurocraty stuff
tight kelp
Got this glass bottle here with the same symbol as the plastic and aluminium recyclable containers, but the machine you find in supermarkets crushes the bottles, so what would happen if i put one of these, since the symbol is the same and i assume the machine would blindly accept it based on that?
dry nacelle
The machine crushes bottles? 
tight kelp
Yes, otherwise it would have to be emptied every few bottles because of all the wasted space. You can hear it crushing containers on the spot and see them if you've ever been there as an employee was emptying one
Thus i wonder what would happen with glass ones
uneven vigil
I doubt the machine would accept that... I'm sure it checks weight
dry plinth
I can also imagine, the machine recognizes the bottle as "full" because it is just half-transparent
tight kelp
But in that case, where would one get the pfand back for it
uneven vigil
I'd just try and put it in one of those machines, and if that doesn't work, you have to get the Pfand back at the place where you bought it
stores are only obliged to take back the kind of bottles they sell
try it one of the hypermarkets or at a Getränke store with a lot of variety... I find that those accept most types of deposit
tight kelp
Makes sense, ty
icy mist
ive never had any problems putting glass bottles in the machine thingy
well. i don't think aldi here accepts the glass bottles but they don't sell any glass bottles in the store
uneven vigil
I've never had a glass bottle with the 25c Einweg deposit symbol on it
tame forum
https://www.subcentral.de/index.php?page=Thread&postID=504216#post504216
so i am trying to download subtitles (hope mods are okay with the link. its a subtitles website) and where the hell is the download button?
please ping me
or is this website broken?
exotic barn
fleet pelican
fuck you I guess lmao
exotic barn
also, this prolly isnt a suitable channel for that
tame forum
@exotic barn yah ik but idk wherelese to post it..... wait so the subtitles doesnt exist then?
or does one have to register to perhaps make it visible?
exotic barn
#general-2 #general #resources #questions #archived-media i would use one of these
dunno
tame forum
ohkk Thnkx.
@exotic barn i registered and the subs turned up if u ever need them. and yah last msg on this channel
final gust
@vague brook i know it really doesnt matter since its percentage based overall, but whats the minimum wage if there is a minimum wage?
final gust
Not sure what brutto means lol brutal? Lol
vague brook
pretax
final gust
Oh gotcha , so on paper
faint plaza
Depends on a lot of things tho
vague brook
yea thats why you say brutto, because there are different tax classes and such
final gust
Yeah same here depending on your income rate
Make more, get more taken out , and percentage goes up as well
faint plaza
Jup
final gust
Thats why some people who are teetering on the edge of the bracket dont work iver time, because the next tax bracket is like a 10-15% jump
tight kelp
by the way taxation % isn't a very good metric to determine quality of life
final gust
I dont think i understand lol
tight kelp
so the fact that taxes in germany are higher than your country doesn't mean you'd be a hobo here
final gust
Lol no, i didnt mean that lol i meant if it was like that in my current situation in America
tight kelp
oh sure
well presumably that extra bit would go somewhere such that it would make living there normal even in those conditions, but we don't live in wonderland :P
final gust
Trust me , me and my girlfriend has contemplated moving to Canada, and their taxes are high as well. I dont let taxation make my decision on where to go
tight kelp
alrighty then
final gust
I was just curious, because i heard oberseas, servers actually get paid minimum wage
faint plaza
Nah
faint plaza
Depends on your working time as a serve r
faint plaza
How long did you worked as a server already?
With knowledge you get more money from the start
And not only minimum wage
final gust
I dont have/cant afford health insurance lol
vague brook
its illegal to not have health insurance in germany
final gust
And here servers make about 2.30-3 an hour
tight kelp
well you can't be paid less than minimum wage by definition 👀
final gust
Its a penalty on end of year taxes here if you dont have health insurance
faint plaza
But zeitarbeits Firmen pay less than minimum wage
final gust
And thre are a couple exceptions in which you can be paid under minimum wage
In America
tight kelp
i'm under the impression this is not true in the USA and that there's a certain reliance on tips but i don't know where i "know" this from
it sounds preposterous from my point of view, if true
final gust
If you rely on tips, if youre under 18, or if your employer invokes the federal probationary period. On the probationary period, they can pay you as low as 4.50 for 90 days, even as a regular worker
tight kelp
that's an awfully long trial period for a server
final gust
The probationary period is not just for servers, its for anyone
If theyre under 18, 21 in some states
Anyone* as in any profession
final gust
Its just a slap in the face though honestly, because if they only need summer workers, they can invoke it, and get cheap labor, and just fire them. My state is an "At Will" state, so they dont need a reason to fire you
You could tie your shoes wrong and they could fire you lol
final gust
But yeah, typically servers around my city make about 2.60 on average
vague brook
land of freedom
final gust
I was a server for 7 years lol
final gust
Well 5
final gust
2 server assistant
faint plaza
Land der Freiheit am Arsch @vague brook
final gust
I didnt want to serve for the longest time because people in my city are very rude lol
@faint plaza i was told tipping overseas in general is uncommon/ kind of disrespectful, is that true?
vague brook
well i dont if they are "i dont give a fuck"
fluid moss
its not disrespectful no
vague brook
but i tip always
fluid moss
but not necessary
vague brook
otheriwse
final gust
Oh lol well then
Well glad i got that straightened out, so that if i did visit, i didnt look like an asshole lol
faint plaza
Haha
faint plaza
^
fluid moss
People prefer the bottled waters tho
fluid moss
They actually keep their soda dispensers behind the counter in Germany
final gust
Oh rip
fluid moss
that‘s how it‘s been in every McDonalds I‘ve been in at least
final gust
I havent eaten mcdonalds in a long time, but i was broker than i am now back then lmao, i would put seirra mist in water cups. Im not paying no 3 dollars for a small drink lol
vague brook
ive seen some with free access dispensers
fluid moss
actually yeah there was one in Munich with a free access one
but it was also in plain sight of the counter
soo you cant really do that anyway
final gust
They almost always put them out on the floor here, unless its in the mall or something
They dont really care that much, but if a higher up caught you, theyd kick you out lol
What is some German exclusive food? Like originated in Germany?
fluid moss
Uhh in McDonalds in general
final gust
In general lol
final gust
I dont even know of the stereotypical foods honestly
I thought pretzels were just pretzels lol
fluid moss
Bratwurst comes from Germany
final gust
I do like me some bratwurst, which is weird because i hate sausage lol
final gust
Never heard of it, im assuming its meat though maybe spicy meat
fluid moss
It‘s bratwurst in a sweet and spicy sauce and also curry seasoning
final gust
The only sausage i can eat is a Portuguese sausage called Linguica, because its more sweet than anything. Best sausage ive ever had
fluid moss
I rarely eat German food
Maybe sometimes a Käsebreze but otherwise I always get Döner or go to McDonalds
final gust
Ironically i rarely ever eat American food, i live off Chinese and Mexican food lol
fluid moss
There isn‘t much actual American food
fluid moss
burgers are German
final gust
Welp then nevermind lol
fluid moss
technically at least
final gust
Corndogs
fluid moss
Corndogs are American yeah
final gust
I hate them lol
I dont care for fried food that much because the oil always taste rubbery
fluid moss
Never had one and it doesnt look all that appetizing
final gust
I can feel the pounds coming on as i consume fried foods, and it makes me feel terrible lol