Und dem ausgewählten Level entsprechend
#general-2
sage kayak
Ah, wobei du ja nach Romanen gefragt hast
Da kann ich leider nicht helfen
Schade Sun, dass es dir nicht so gut geht
Aber du schaffst das schon!
runic garden
Goethe Institute hat eine Art Onlinebibliothek, aber leider ist sie ziemlich schwerfällig und nicht zu leicht zu benutzen
sage kayak
Oh o:
runic garden
😥
sage kayak
Das ist schade :c
urban sun
hot cloak
Hallo allerseits
signal sentinel
Guten Tag liebe Leute!
hot cloak
Guten Tag! Ich habe eine Frage für euch:
Könntet ihr ein Videospiele empfehlen, das gut für Deutschlernen ist?
Zum Beispiel: Ich spiele "Stardew Valley" auf Deutsch. Ich finde, dass das Spiel sehr gut für lesen und verstanden Deutsch ist, aber das Spiel bietet kein Möglichkeit an, zu interagieren mit den Charakters.
Ich bin sicher, dass Skyrim oder Animal Crossing gut sein würden. Habt ihr etwas anderes zu empfiehlen?
Danke im Voraus!
slender crypt
ich würde empfehlen, spielen die viel dialog haben. ich kenne aber nicht viele, das einzige die ich versucht habe, auf deutsch zu spielen war pokemon mystery dungeon erkundungsteam himmel
hot cloak
Hallo!
dense helm
whole rapids
@gaunt oriole warum hast du gerade 7 gespammt?
gaunt oriole
My computer was laggin got mad kept trying to send
whole rapids
mm okay
arctic atlas
@urban sun @twin nacelle was wird das ?
twin nacelle
sour oasis
Zelda wahrscheinlich waere gut dafuer
@hot cloak
oder dein Lieblingsspiel
quick comet
dusty kernel
Hallo
limpid pumice
hallo
livid crane
Deutsch ist ziemlich schwer
analog mica
schwer, aber schön und nicht unmöglich es zu lernen
hot cloak
Hallo Leute,
ich freue mich, dass wir hier sprechen konnen.
ich wohne in Metz(Frankreich).
VG.
hot cloak
merci vezel c'est gentil
glacial pier
hot cloak
t'habites ou vezel du coup?
sudden panther
@sudden elbow please stop bothering others, and read the #rules if you plan to stay.
glacial pier
@hot cloak en Allemagne!
sage kayak
Das war wieder ein #thing-of-the-day, das ich noch nicht kannte, @whole rapids
whole rapids
ich freue mich darauf, dass ich deinen Wortschatz erweitert habe 😋
sage kayak
Vielen Dank! :D
*darüber
würde ich eher verwenden
sich auf etwas freuen ist mehr so to look forward to
whole rapids
natürlich, danke
der Tag wäre nicht vollständig, wenn ich nicht einfache Fehler gemacht hätte
sage kayak
whole rapids
ich hab mein Niveau entsprechend geändert
sage kayak
xD
glacial pier
@whole rapids kannst du auch meins ändern?
whole rapids
nö
sage kayak
@tulip skiff
Questions is a bad place for discussions like that. Not saying that you started it
but let's continue here
if you feel like continuing that is
opal sequoia
@tulip skiff @sour mesa The reality is, in general, people learn languages much, much faster and more easily if they learn some grammar, especially in the beginning.
tulip skiff
luckily, the brain is adaptable
opal sequoia
Trying to learn a language without grammar is like intentionally giving yourself a handicap, with no benefit.
sour mesa
Yeah sure, you should get a basis in word grammar but one can get a pretty good idea of verb conjugations through immersion
tulip skiff
you can always look up rules once you dont understand why a sentence is built the way it is
opal sequoia
You learn much slower, you introduce more errors and bad habits, and generally make it more painful to learn.
sage kayak
I think you're also using the benefit of having had known another very similar language already. Which is Gernan in your case, Rebexus. I can give you a Turkish or Japanese text now and we can try that thing
Only vocab, no grammar
sour mesa
I first learned to write letters properly when I was 7, and first started learning about grammar when I was 8.
sage kayak
I think you would get the point much faster, if you at least looked at basic grammar
and cases and that stuff are pretty basic
tulip skiff
well if you see the same word in 10 different sentences you*ll get a feeling at some point
not saying english is the most difficult to learn with being german native but i havent learned grammar
sage kayak
But why wouldn't you get that experience when having learned about grammar first?
opal sequoia
Yes, learning grammar generally takes minutes or hours. Trying to learn without grammar takes months or years. @tulip skiff
tulip skiff
i dont know how stuff is named in english
i dont think uhm whats the correct form here
i just do
sour mesa
Sure basic grammar is okay, like personal pronouns and prepositions, but I do think it's quite contraproductive to get all the verb conjugations in your head before you try to speak a word
You can learn all the theory in the world yet if you haven't spoken that much you won't be succesful
tulip skiff
i speak out of how it feels correct
sage kayak
Yes that was Base' starting point
tulip skiff
and it works for me
opal sequoia
And no one ever claimed you should learn all grammar before speaking once. @sour mesa
sage kayak
grammar + vocab and not neglecting one or the other
opal sequoia
Maybe you missed the original topic, Nola.
sour mesa
Oh well then I misunderstood :)
opal sequoia
Rebexus said that learners should completely avoid grammar.
And we were explaining that grammar is pretty essential for learners and that telling people to avoid it is terrible advice.
shadow kernel
:')
tulip skiff
that comes with time
opal sequoia
Please tell me you don't agree with this, Nola, lol.
sour mesa
Not that lmao
tulip skiff
so if someone says der mutter youd be thinking what gibberish is he saying
opal sequoia
Depends on the sentence.
sage kayak
depends on context
tulip skiff
and its hard to correct someone when you notice the mistake
sour mesa
But I am currently learning Spanish and haven't looked at too much grammar yet. And just by doing a lot of simple sentences I could infer most of the verb conjugations, prepositions and personal pronouns, while I never looked at conjugation tables.
tulip skiff
or maybe ask what he means
sour mesa
(That may be because I've learned languages before)
sage kayak
Ich gebe dem Kind die Mutter
tulip skiff
Umschreibungen
sage kayak
wrong articles make this sentence pretty weird, don't they?
And this is a very basic sentence
tulip skiff
they do and if they did id ask what he means
radiant matrix
trust me, if someone makes a lot of grammatical mistakes it gets hard to understand
a single mistake in isluation is not an issue
but if every sentence has multiple mistakes…
it gets tiring
opal sequoia
Avoiding grammar also makes the language more intimidating for learners.
sage kayak
And if you wanna convey meaning of complex topics even
Like talking about science or anything like that
opal sequoia
Like some people think that learning grammar is difficult and scary, but it's actually the complete opposite... Learning the grammar makes the language make sense.
lean steeple
I'm learning atm and learning the grammar is helping me understand it way better.
tulip skiff
who'd want that within a year of learning a language
opal sequoia
Rebexus, anyone who cares about learning the language should be learning grammar from day one.
radiant matrix
the moment you wanna use things like relative clauses (which you will want to use if you want to say sth complex) not understanding how to do that properly makes you extremely hard to understand
sage kayak
I wouldn't be bothered about
tulip skiff
the way english was taught at my school was just stressful
sage kayak
and most people that look into languages are thinking about being proficient in it someday I assume
tulip skiff
the moment i started having access to english media, games books movies songs etc learning accelarated
accelerated*
sage kayak
I don't know why it would be important, whether it happens in a year or not
Rebexus I would totally agree with the advice of trying media
lots of people only look at grammar
radiant matrix
e.g. say someone utters this sentence:
Die ist der Mann der habe ich gestern eine Bücher gebt
yes I can understand that but that’s still a pretty simple sentence
opal sequoia
I don't know how it is with English because it's my native language. But I can guarantee from years of talking to German learners that grammar is essential for learning German.
radiant matrix
the people in #german-only that are hard to understand tend to be those with your attitude
tulip skiff
you learn faster from your mistakes than trying to perfect it before actually using it
radiant matrix
no, you really do not
opal sequoia
No one ever said anything about trying to perfect it.
radiant matrix
and science is not on your side here either
tulip skiff
oh i bet you do
lean steeple
I've been avoiding #german-only because I thought everyone there would be super fluent and I'd not be able to partake at all, is this not the case?
tulip skiff
thats how the brain works
sage kayak
But neglecting grammar is ignoring mistakes
radiant matrix
there is such a thing as “fossilization”
sage kayak
not learning from them
opal sequoia
@lean steeple People of all levels speak there, but it varies depending on who's active at the time.
radiant matrix
it’s like when you’re playing a song on the piano and you always make the exact same mistake every time
tulip skiff
if you repeat it thinking its correct, yes maybe
radiant matrix
in time you actually learn that mistkae
opal sequoia
Sometimes it's all beginners, sometimes all native speakers.
tulip skiff
but that doesnt happen when you are open to mistakes
using something and repeating the mistakes doesnt automatically mean you think its correct
radiant matrix
well how are you gonna learn what is right and what is wrong without learning about it?
tulip skiff
not the reason you use it, you just dont know it better
shadow kernel
"open to mistakes", you need to have someone who will correct you at all times, and no one does that unless you're a 3 years old child with his mother by his side
lean steeple
if you repeat it thinking its correct, yes maybe
@tulip skiff
Why would you have said it if you think it's not correct?
shadow kernel
otherwise you'll just keep doing them
opal sequoia
Why would you want to repeat a mistake 100 times to learn it, when you can just learn the rule for it and understand it with only a couple of attempts instead?
tulip skiff
@tulip skiff
Why would you have said it if you think it's not correct?
@lean steeple because atm its the only way you can say that
opal sequoia
Literally makes no sense.
sour mesa
Science also says that not being called out for a mistake is better. Babies tend to learn better if their parents don't call them out on their mistakes and just keep talking normally
shadow kernel
i have friends who learned german ignoring german grammar - yes, they're B2/C1 vocab wise, they can't write properly so it seems like a monkey wrote it, they can't build a proper sentence, yes, you can understand them and if that's your aim in german it's alright
tulip skiff
the one rule is most of the time not the only rule
sour mesa
Lemme see where I found that research
shadow kernel
but if you want to properly learn it, you have to master that grammar, there's no way around it
opal sequoia
@sour mesa We're talking about adult learners in this discussion.
Please don't bring the "learn like a baby" stuff into it.
radiant matrix
babies learn very differently
tulip skiff
often enough there is more to that one rule and it makes it just complicated
sour mesa
Hmmm okay
radiant matrix
unlike adult learners, babies actually have an “open mind”
||quite literally even, they have a hole on top of their skull||
opal sequoia
Yeah, like Vahti said, it's fine if your personal goal is to learn bad German. But you can't tell other people to do the same thing. That is just cruel and irresponsible.
tulip skiff
well maybe im just a different kind of learner
i need experience so i can make new connections with those
i cant just learn specific sentences or "how to say bla bla bla"
doesnt work for me
radiant matrix
that’s normal, we’re just saying that if you put up a solid foundation of knowledge, those connections will be easier to form and stronger
tulip skiff
maybe im unique in that case dunno
radiant matrix
because they’re founded not in guesswork but in correct facts you can check and verify
tulip skiff
but i know what helps learning new stuff and that is having fun
opal sequoia
I think if you actually tried learning some grammar, I think you would find it super useful, Rebexus.
sage kayak
Hmm. There are lots of things that could have lef to this
tulip skiff
and grabbing each piece of grammar is just not fun
sage kayak
And yeah, if it's not fun for you and you're not motivated to do anything at all then
yeah, then it's better to look at vocab than to look at nothing
sage kayak
But that's on you, cause some people enjoy grammar
sage kayak
I enjoy grammar pretty much for example
tulip skiff
weird
sage kayak
all the terms and difference are interesting to me
tulip skiff
but be it as it may
opal sequoia
It's not really about enjoyment though. I mean, yes, it sucks to learn boring stuff. But the reality is, it's almost impossible to learn German correctly without grammar. It might suck, but that's just reality.
radiant matrix
like, let’s make an easy example:
you’re confused about the verb endings -t and -st.
Version 1: you look it up. you learn that -st is used when “you” is doing it and -t when “he/she/it” is doing it. you look at sentences and see that this appears to be true. you still have to get used to this but you now know what’s going on.
Version 2: you don’t look it up. over time you probably guess what’s going on but you may not ever formulate it properly in your mind and so when you come across the pronoun “man” for the first time you may not know which verb ending to use and have to look at more examples
the end result here is probably the same but v2 takes longer to get there
opal sequoia
I personally would hate to half-ass learn a language just because a few things are a bit boring to learn.
radiant matrix
this is a simple example that you can probably get intuitively with time
but uh
adjective endings?
unless you enjoy detective work you’ll just… not be able to figure out the pattern
like I strongly doubt that anyone who didn’t look it up can get adjective endings right better than 75% of the time
opal sequoia
Yeah. Grammar is like, someone did all the hard work for you and is just handing it to you.
sage kayak
You shouldn't use those terms if you can avoid them, since he said he wouldn't know any
looking at that v2
tulip skiff
except im not the guy telling you to do version 2
im just saying if i get to the point that i need this or that rule, sure learn it
opal sequoia
You literally did tell someone to do that.
sage kayak
But how would you know? Seeing a sentence and just knowing what grammar you have to look at
opal sequoia
Articles are extremely important. Probably the most important thing for a beginner to learn.
sage kayak
Well, it's about congruence
it tells you which stuff belongs together in a complex sentence
opal sequoia
Like rule #1 of learning German, the first thing you learn, on day 1 of the language, is to memorize the gender of nouns.
sage kayak
I gave you that simple example with Mutter and Kind
tulip skiff
good luck with that boring task remembering the genders of a noun
shadow kernel
Rebexus, what language is your native language and which language are you learning?
shadow kernel
so he's learning english, i learned english that way aswell
now im learning german
and no, its not possible to do the same with both languages
sage kayak
(but also mentioned Russian and something else)
tulip skiff
im not learning anything atm
im studying biochemistry
no time
but next up is japanese
sage kayak
Jap is extremely different from the languages you know
shadow kernel
simply because english flexion is super reduced, you just mash words together and it works
doesn't happen in german
you sound like a monkey
tulip skiff
and i still am able to read or listen to stuff just knowing words
i get the meaning of it at least
i wouldnt be able to write or speak
sage kayak
Wait what language are we talking about right now?
shadow kernel
as i said, if your aim is to somehow mash words together hoping you'll be understood it's a lot easier to reach that level in english than it is in german
tulip skiff
the moment i have access to so many reading and listening exercises, learning accelerates
thats how it works for me
shadow kernel
if you keep doing that in german you'll be one of those "25 years in germany, can't build a correct sentence, lol gastarbeiter"
tulip skiff
at some point basic sentences repeat themselves so often they get burnt in
so i just access that memory and use that
instead of thinking about how to form the sentence
its repetition through memory or experience
sour mesa
Yes but recasts need to happen in order for you to improve
sage kayak
Having reading and listening exercises is pretty helpful. Especially if the difficuly increases slowly
opal sequoia
Wtf kind of memory do you have that you can learn a language just by memorizing sentences completely?
sage kayak
But other than 'no fun' I don't see what would be 'bad' about looking into grammar
tulip skiff
who says i use the full sentence
i just need a part
and modify it with maybe other parts of another sentence
opal sequoia
Even if you just use a part, you must have a crazy memory to be able to do that.
sour mesa
I mean a lot of people tend to do that. They learn a lot of basic sentences and just replace words where needed
tulip skiff
its repetition
opal sequoia
For an entire language?
sage kayak
But imagine
sage kayak
learning about 'the class of nouns'
And then you even know what to replace some stuff with
sage kayak
wouldn't that be a life hack?
sour mesa
Yeah indeed
tulip skiff
i dunno, it works for me and being able to speak a language asap even if its brolen is totally fine, at least for me
sour mesa
I'd work for very basic structures but you can't progress past A2 with that technique
I'd doubt even passing A1
tulip skiff
maybe
sage kayak
so you don't defend your point 'of neglecting grammar forever' anymore?
tulip skiff
but being able to read more and more stuff as quick as you can is definitely the best way for me
sour mesa
I agree with rebexus that immersion or the so-called 'natural approach' is still one of the best ways to get a very good basis in a language but if you want to become near-native you need to dive into grammar a lot more
shadow kernel
and as i already said, i know people who have been here for years - 10-20, working, somehow learning the language "by the way", and their german is way worse than mine after 2 years of learning. Alright, they know all the umgangssprachliche expressions you learn by being here, but other than that, from the very first sentence they let out you just know they never properly learned the language, if they write something on their own you'll have HUGE problems treating it seriously
if your aim is to be forever B1 "i somehow manage to survive and i sound like a tourist" it's an alright attitude
sour mesa
Just put everything in deepl and you'll be fine 
shadow kernel
if i hear a guy who supposedly lived 10 years in germany saying "er messt der patient der fieber" and you think it's fine because you can somehow get the idea of what's going on in the sentence, it's fine
tulip skiff
at my uni there are plenty of foreigners and they lived here for years now too
and dont speak proper german
know why ? they dont bother learning it
sour mesa
But that's just plain rude to the natives lol
tulip skiff
they get by by just having the basics
sage kayak
I'm not sure about that
tulip skiff
university life is usually english 99% of the time
sage kayak
I know some people with Asian background from my uni
they speak the language pretty much ok
tulip skiff
same here
sage kayak
but have a very hard time following the lectures
tulip skiff
and still there is that one kind that just wont bother learning
glacial pier
university life is usually english 99% of the time
lmao what uni are yo ugoing to
tulip skiff
so there is different kinds all over the world
sage kayak
Yeah, but what I said is
tulip skiff
so if you are saying they live here for 10 years im starting to wonder.. did they ever even want to learn it properly
sage kayak
They are like that
tulip skiff
people who do want to learn they usually manage to
sage kayak
and have lots of problems in daily uni life
tulip skiff
germany würzburg
had a group i went to that had 4 indian guys in 5 people
and they hardly spoke german we just used english like all the time and thats how it is 99% of the itme anyway
sage kayak
Yeah, if they know English, sure
tulip skiff
you wanna talk about a paper, present it... you use english because thats just how it is
shadow kernel
and yes, learning it properly involves learning articles from the very first day (cause have fun relearning them afterwards if you have a base od 3000 nouns to your disposal just because you suddenly had a change of heart and wanted to speak proper german), learning your cases and learning the rektion
sage kayak
The people I talked about speak English worse than they speak German
shadow kernel
otherwise your german will be forever "he doesn't want to learn monkey"
tulip skiff
maybe those just dont care about languages then
sage kayak
Well, they learned German to get here
tulip skiff
ive seen youtube videos of people leaning japanese, they wont to a very expensive class like you usually take when trying to learn a new language in a foreign country
and guess what, they thought it wasnt worth it
shadow kernel
and my english is also a result of total ignorance, but 1) i've been using/reading it since i was 5 years old 2) i've been using it for 25 years by now 3) it has a lot simpler flexion
tulip skiff
doesnt mean they didnt learn the grammar by themselves
but thats what courses usually do
sage kayak
Well, so one class wasn't nice for a few people you saw a video about
guess what, that doesn't really convince me 👀
sage kayak
Yeah, I agreed to it right away by saying
tulip skiff
and learning grammar like a crazy is not necessarily THE way
sage kayak
'It's better to learn Vocab than nothing'
tulip skiff
vocab >>>> grammar
sage kayak
I just still see no reason to neglect grammar other than convenience
tulip skiff
thats my way
shadow kernel
i'll never agree to that one ;)
sage kayak
Yeah, I guess
But don't spread 'your way' in #questions pls
Questions is not meant for my way or yours
tulip skiff
the moment ive been done with engish courses in school i havent touched a single grammar-example btw
sage kayak
but for answers
tulip skiff
worked for me
sage kayak
English courses in school don't really 'lack in grammar' tho
The way I see it is
I mean
I don't know about that of course, but
I assume you were just bothered by how it went in school
which is totally understandable to me
but then you just found it chill to ignore that stuff when you finally could
and noticed how fun it can be to finally learn the way you want
tulip skiff
well i just can tell you the experience i made which is: we learned times all the time nonstop and i still was one of the worst in my course
had one of the worst grades
sage kayak
Well, it's nice that English changed from being a nuisance
tulip skiff
in other words: learning grammar did not help me
slim relic
Hey guys
hot cloak
All hail
slim relic
hot cloak
OVERDONE DUMPLING
balmy plover
beautiul
drowsy heath
my 2 cents: ignoring grammar is like ignoring that 2 minutes tutorial before playing a game and just pressing every key trying to make sense out of them instead. You end up knowing how to do most of the stuff, but you're probably lacking some of the special combos you'd know right away with just a little effort
grammar is there to help
opal sequoia
@granite river Hey, did you close your DMs?
nocturne frost
@spiral stratus @shy anchor astronomers got tired of watching the moon go round the earth for 24 hours so they packed up and called it a day
spiral stratus
xD
opal sequoia
@tawny marsh Stop spamming or you'll be muted or banned.
magic sparrow
@hot cloak
shy anchor
Nice one 😀 I’m gonna steal that @nocturne frost
lavish saddle
@crude finch Please never post something like that again, that can cause somebody to have a seizure. I appreciate that you deleted it though.
I can see deleted messages
autumn matrix
they've sent more inappropriate vids
lavish saddle
@autumn matrix Yeah, I was looking over it and went for the ban on that one, I wasn't aware how many inappropriate vids and gifs they have sent :' )
ty 
autumn matrix
thank u!
wind sable
Sa
iron notch
magic salmon
Es ist 2020!
magic salmon
Wie viele Bevölkerer hat Brighton?
(I don't know, Wiktionary only says "merry, happy")
hot cloak
fünfhunderttausend
magic salmon
Sie meinten, Sie sind homosexuell oder froh?
magic salmon
I'd asked what you meant by "fröhlich" but it's not that important, just was being curious
froh -> happy, glad @hot cloak
hot cloak
Oh ok
arctic atlas
@hot cloak hey would you mind changing your nick and pfp please
dusky sinew
That's actually a funny name.. what's offensive about it?
magic salmon
I guess the criterion is not to be a reminder of something related to terror, genocide etc.
lilac dew
yes
hot cloak
Warum bist du alex
junior ingot
wer hat bock auf skribbl
dusty idol
Der Kompatibilität-Modus in Windows 10 ist lustig.
Alle Programme das hatte gewirkte nicht im Vista und in 7 brauchte sie der Kompatibilität-Modus, wirken jetzt mit kein Problem... und ander, älteres Programme wirken nicht ebenso mit Kompatibilität-Modus.
crimson perch
bruh nobody told me that Harry –gefangen in der Zeit has worksheets that basically explain every grammar concept up to b2
raw flint
Hallo zusammen, möchtet irgendwer mit mir auf Deutsch in VC sprechen?
jovial bough
Ich habe gestern Abend für eine spazieren gegangen
Alle fotos sind zwischen 21:30 und 23:00 gemacht
jovial bough
Stockholm
hot cloak
Sehr schön.. 
spiral mason
nice
hot cloak
Guten Abend 😉
brazen sleet
Yes we speak English
small sundial
Guten Morgen/Abend
Ich habe eine deutsche Tastatur jetzt
Ich kann "öäüß" eingeben
slim sluice
Glückwunsch
opal sequoia
@kind wolf In #german-only you can only use German. It's the rule of the channel. So please don't use English there.
If you want to speak to people in English, you can use #general or #general-2
shell silo
Hallo?
sage kayak
@hot cloak Pls change your name
sage kayak
Ah
hot cloak
wie würde man das auf Deutsch sagen?
sage kayak
*Aber erst im nächsten Jahr fangen wir an, einen Zusammenhang / Zusammenhänge zwischen den verschiedenen Vorlesungen herzustellen
Das käme mir jetzt in den Sinn
hot cloak
Danke schön 😄
hot cloak
vor langer Zeit hat mir ein anderer Deutscher gesagt, dass "Dankeschön" in diesem Fall falsch ist 😂 Obwohl ich das vorher tausendmal gehört hatte
aber offensichtlich schreiben die meisten Deutsche in beiden Fällen "Dankeschön" oder?
sage kayak
Mir fällt genau eine Situation ein, in der ich 'Danke schön' nicht zusammenschreiben würde
Und zwar wenn man jemandem sagen will, dass er sich 'auf eine schöne weise bedanken soll'
Ich weiß nicht, inwiefern ich die Nutzung dort als 'Partikel' bezichnen würde
hot cloak
Ich bin jetzt irgendwie durcheinander https://i.imgur.com/CdoRPI8.png
sage kayak
Hmm
hot cloak
aber ehrlich gesagt habe ich auch erfahren, dass die meisten Deutsche (zumindest die, die ich im Internet finde) "Dankeschön" sagen
sage kayak
Es scheint, als hätte ich Unrecht gehabt
Hier in den Beispielen ist es getrennt geschrieben
hot cloak
wahrscheinlich wissen die meisten Deutsche nicht, dass es überhaupt einen Unterschied gibt
sage kayak
Möglich
balmy plover
das glaube ich auch
hot cloak
Hallo
harsh apex
Hallo Welt!
winter pike
Hallo!
shell silo
Guten tag
glass crag
Hallo!
shell silo
Hallo!
slim relic
hallo
sage kayak
@hot cloak 👀
hot cloak
?
sage kayak
I don't think there have been lessons
Well, the channel you talked in is for voice, so I pinged you here
half charm
hallo 
narrow anchor
quartz cliff
woeful matrix
Hellu
spiral stratus
so folgenscher
like eine folgenschwere entscheidung?
sage kayak
Das ist perfekt!
Diese Phrase liest man auch gelegentlich
@sudden narwhal
Hier ist es gerade sehr ruhig, falls dir das lieber ist
sudden narwhal
genau! Ich muss demnächst eine folgenschwere Entscheidung über mein Studium treffen.
sage kayak
Musst du das wirklich? o:
sudden narwhal
lol
sage kayak
Und worüber musst du entscheiden?
sudden narwhal
Was und wo ich studiere
sage kayak
Also ich frage, weil ich mich erinnere, dass du noch keinen Plan darüber hättest
sage kayak
Deswegen wundert mich das etwas, wenn du dich jetzt schon entscheidest
sudden narwhal
naja, ich informiere mich noch etwas über die verschiedenen optionen in deutschland
sudden narwhal
ja ich auch! ich glaube eigentlich, dass ich mit vielem sehr zufrieden sein könnte
aber jetzt muss ich das halt alles abwiegen
sage kayak
Ist der Gedanke, dass du dich später mochmal umentscheidest, für dich in Ordnung?
sudden narwhal
hm weiß nicht ehrlich gesagt
es wär jetzt nicht so schlimm aber dann müsste ich mich bei manchen ganz neu bewerben und so 
spiral stratus
tfw anne is baby sun's spirit animal
sage kayak
spiral stratus
i ended up opting for a program with a variety of different things to give me that flexibility
i don't regeret where i am now per se but i do still struggle with a lot of 'what ifs'
sage kayak
sudden narwhal
hm :(
sage kayak
Ich finde, dass sich viele Menschen da viel zu viel Stress machen
spiral stratus
i think figuring out where you want to be can only be done by giving things a try
woeful matrix
Hmm stimmt aber ich mach mir damit auch nur Stress lol
sage kayak
und auch, dass die Gesellschaft und viele Eltern da oft etwas (meiner Meinung nach) zu viel Druck machen
spiral stratus
tfw you put far more pressure on yourself than your family does
sudden narwhal
im def gonna do something interdisciplinary and a bit more flexible for my bachelor
sage kayak
Oh, interessant, Sonnchen
gray vortex
Ich finde, dass sich viele Menschen da viel zu viel Stress machen
Natürlich, wenn es ihr ganzes Leben entscheiden kann. Viele haben nicht die Möglichkeit, viel herumzuprobieren oder später wechseln.
sage kayak
Wenn ich dir das mal sagen darf:
Meiner Meinung nach hast du noch ewig Zeit
Inwiefern hat man denn keine Zeit zu wechseln, Weidenkätzchen?
sudden narwhal
my family’s more like “whats the big deal just go study law in germ”
spiral stratus
would you consider yourself a high achiever through your younger school years?
sudden narwhal
yeah def i was the kid in the gifted programs
who got to do part of the teachers job sometimes too
spiral stratus
i think these are common feelings there
gray vortex
Naja, zB. wenn man sich selber finanzieren muss, wählt man etwas, was man sicher in kurzer Zeit abschließen kann und womit man etwas mehr Geld verdient.
sudden narwhal
“how about anne just corrects the classes exercise sheets and ill just sit back”
not like a six year old is gonna say anything
sage kayak
Ja, aber warum hatman dann nicht noch Zeit, sich umzuentscheiden? Wenn man doch nach kurzer Zeit fertig ist und dann etwas mehr verdient
spiral stratus
when you develop academically quicker than your peers the only thing you know is 'being the best' and when you get to the point where pure natural talent can no longer carry you things can start going to shit mentally if you don't take care of yourself / know what to look for
sudden narwhal
hab ich ja eigentlich aber ich glaub nicht dass mir mehr zeit umbedingt eine klarere entscheidung ermöglichen wird
gray vortex
Ja später, vllt nachdem man die finanzielle Sicherheit hat, aber man kann nicht so gut nach 2 Jahren Studium sagen, oh das macht mir doch nicht so viel Spaß
spiral stratus
and studying is different to actually working. even at a uni level
sage kayak
*unbedingt :P
gray vortex
Have you worked, Sun?
spiral stratus
yeah
sage kayak
Doch, Weidenkätzchen. Ich finde, dass man genau das tun sollte
spiral stratus
full time 9-5
sudden narwhal
lol stimmt, es ist unbedingt loide
sage kayak
Und wenn du es lieber erst beenden magst, dann ist das ja auch in Ordnung. Dann entscheidest du dich eben nach 3 - 4 Jahren neu
gray vortex
Not if you worry about being able to pay your rent next month, Bulli
spiral stratus
basically program management /coordination but my focus was on the organisational systems
gray vortex
I’m not familiar with those types of jobs, what are your daily tasks there? @spiral stratus
sage kayak
Du kannst auch Nebenher Geld verdienen. Du musst dann eben vielleicht ein etwas bescheideneres Leben führen
Also so würde ich das zumindest machen
gray vortex
🤔 ja stimmt. Ich persönlich würde lieber das Studium abschließen und nach finanziellen Sicherheit anstreben
spiral stratus
it varies a lot tbh. in terms of technical skills i worked on the backend of the scheduling management system, but it was a lot of event organisation and client interaction. there wasn't really a sit down and do x y z tasks every day. i hqd a skillset and did whatever tasks came up that fitted within my skillset
sage kayak
Sonne, du benutzt gar kein Deutsch 😤
sudden narwhal
uff ja bitte sprich deutsch
sage kayak
Du Hu-
spiral stratus
aua okay ich werde es versuchen
sage kayak
Ich glaub an dich 
sudden narwhal
sehr gut 
sage kayak
Hallo Lillie!
celest linden
Huhu Bulli!
sage kayak
:3
gray vortex
Klingt interessant, danke für die Beschreibung, Sun
sage kayak
übrigens, Weidenkätzchen:
*nach finanzieller Sicherheit anstreben
oder
*nach finanzielle Sicherheit anstreben
spiral stratus
lillie glaubst du an die macht des Broccs?
gray vortex
Danke, Bulli!
celest linden
Ich glaube jede Minute an die Macht des Broccs
spiral stratus
sehr gut
sudden narwhal
weidenkätzchen ist so ein süßes deutsches wort
sage kayak
Ich esse jetzt Kekse 
sudden narwhal
whoo
celest linden
Die habe ich gestern schon gegessen, Bulli
gray vortex
Danke Anne! 
sage kayak
Und du hast nicht geteilt 
spiral stratus
mit schokoladentröpfchen?
sage kayak
*Schoko(laden)creme?
spiral stratus
i can neither type in english nor german lol
sage kayak
Schokokekse, ja!
Wenn du Nomen verbindest, ist es im Deutschen eigentlich immer zusammen geschrieben
Ob man jetzt noch ein 's' oder ein 'n' oder vielleicht gar nichts dazwischen setzt..
spiral stratus
habe so gedacht aber 'autocorrect' hat keine ahnung was ich schreiben will
sage kayak
das ist etwss schwerer. Dafür kenne ich leider keine funktionierende Regel
Ja, dafür kennt deine Autokorrektur aus 2 Gründen kein Wort
spiral stratus
ich denke man muss sie einfach auswendig lernen
sage kayak
- Du kannst unendlich viele verschiedene Worte so bilden und natürlich kennt deine Autokorrektur nicht unendlich viele Wörter
- Es wäre Schokoladentröpfchen
spiral stratus
oops
sage kayak
und 3. (oh, sind 3)
Man benutzt Schokoladentröpfchen eigentlich überhaupt nicht. Also zumindest nicht üblicherweise
Das scheint mir ziemlich kompliziert und zufällig.
Aber ich werde versuchen, Regeln dafür zu finden und dir sagen, wenn ich welche kenne
spiral stratus
ich war leider zu faul, das Wort nachzuschlagen lol
und konnte mich nur an Tröpchen erinnern
sage kayak
*an Tröpfchen
spiral stratus
i had an there first then edited it 50 times rip
sage kayak
Verdammt :P
(jdn. an etwas erinnern)
Aber mach dir da nichts draus
Versuch einfach.. dich beim nächsten Mal daran zu erinnern!
spiral stratus
xD
glacial pier
Tröpchen wäre eine Minivariante der Tropen, sons
in den Tröpchen ein Urläubchen machen
mit 5 Cocktailchen am Strändchen bei 40 Grädchen im Schatten
sage kayak
icy iron
sage kayak
@woeful matrix !
woeful matrix
@sage kayak ja?
woeful matrix
Uhm I’m ok and wbu?
sage kayak
I'm pretty good uwu
woeful matrix
Glad to hear that! 
sudden narwhal
ashen cradle
Gibt es jemand Vegetarier hier? Oder Vegan?
ancient carbon
toxic tundra
🙋♀️
winter pike
Ich bin Vegetarier 🥬❤️
dry blade
@ashen cradle ist verboten auf diesem Server, nicht Fleischesser zu sein
half charm
hallo
sage kayak
Hallo, Wasser!
@dim kelp It's a bit 'crowded' in there right now
So you speak Finnish?
dim kelp
sage kayak
Uhm, oki
sage kayak
Gut, und dir? :3
half charm
gut danke 
sage kayak
Erfreulich!
hushed trellis
Guten Tag, Leute!
half charm
Guten Tag
ashen cradle
Moin
sterile creek
Ich bin ok. Und du?
hot cloak
Mir ist ok
shy bobcat
hallo
woeful matrix
Hallo
sage kayak
Hii!
gentle condor
Allguhmein
sage kayak
Ugh
gentle condor
Ooga booga Cave man sounds
acoustic geyser
Manchmal fühle ich wie ich überhaupt nicht existiere. Ich bin ein Discord gegangen und stellt eine Frage. Keine Antwort. Ich bin in ein andere Discord gegangen und stellt eine Frage. Nichts. Ich geh ins dieses Server und fragt ob jemand mit mir spielen wollte. Stille. Entschuldigung ich frustriere mich.
acoustic geyser
hot cloak
Hallo alle
toxic tundra
Es geht mir gut 🙂 Und dir?
hot cloak
Nicht gut mein freund
toxic tundra
Warum nicht?
hot cloak
I can’t talk in german sorry
My vocab is limited to less than 30 words lmao
It’s bad because I have a headache mein freund
toxic tundra
It's ok, everyone starts like that haha
Es geht mir nicht gut, weil ich Kopfschmerzen habe
Kopfschmerzen = headache
Kopf = head, Schmerzen = aches
hot cloak
I’m not sure whether I should make a note of this
Since I may just forget it
I should focus on common words for noe
Words that I will use in everyday
toxic tundra
Sure 🙂
half charm
hallo
hot cloak
Hallo, wie geht es dir?
half charm
ich bin gut
hot cloak
Das ist gut
toxic tundra
Mir geht es gut* 😄
hot cloak
@toxic tundra what is your native language?
half charm
haha 😆 danke schön!
jade quiver
guten abend!
solemn gull
gentle condor
That’s already out
solemn gull
I haven't updated the os yet
gentle condor
Wdym?
solemn gull
snipping tool
gentle condor
Damn
solemn gull
🙂
I tried but I just don't like the way it's done
I can't wait to program on this computer though
Has so much more power than my old macbook
solemn gull
how did you do that?
gentle condor
right above Num lock
sadly I had to crop it because I have two monitors
and it Screen shots both
solemn gull
it's was the matter of pasting it
how come it doesn't make a sound?
to let you know you've made a capture
solemn gull
solemn gull
I hate all the squares on the left
that does not need accent
I don't like the way windows does dark mode
my discord is also light mode 🙂
gentle condor
ew
solemn gull
not as much light as arrem
gentle condor
Just dont use the start menu then
solemn gull
I've gone dark -> light -> dark -> light
gentle condor
a proper windows user has everything they use on their desktop
gentle condor
and only use start to sing out
solemn gull
I use start to type what app I need to pull up
but then I pin so much on the task bar
sage kayak
@gloomy sleet don't post stuff like that on this server, pls
gloomy sleet
like what
solemn gull
does mint have a start menu?
gloomy sleet
it's episode from family guy
gentle condor
I think so. I believe all linux branches have something like it
solemn gull
os x is such a pleasure to use though
gentle condor
with options like settings and wifi
solemn gull
but most of my time I'm looking at software so it doesn't matter
gentle condor
similar to the stuff at the bottom right on windows
solemn gull
when I need to do file stuff, like deleting things I have os x to use
now that I have windows, I can do vrchat
gentle condor
did you know you can change where bar on the bottom of the screen is on windows
sage kayak
You got it @gloomy sleet ?
solemn gull
I think the bar is best on the sides
solemn gull
well, it's because you have more real estate laterally
sage kayak
Next time will result in punishment and report to discord
gentle condor
The thing I hate most is that when i full screen something on my main monitor, all my apps go to my secondary monitor.
and its never organized
gloomy sleet
I would have sent the primevideo version but that wont work
gentle condor
so i put all my apps on my second monitor
gloomy sleet
but I got it know
solemn gull
I wonder how that's managed by osx
gentle condor
probably not good
solemn gull
windows is maddening
gentle condor
it is
solemn gull
probably better you mean 🙂
sage kayak
Yeah, makes sense. Maybe you find the scene on youtube. I think that would work. But if you wanna be sure, ask a mod
gentle condor
idek if you can have two monitory on OSX
solemn gull
yes you acn
sage kayak
or discord
solemn gull
can
gentle condor
damn
gentle condor
I dont like how much osx costs legally
slim sluice
@sage kayak can i post a pirated version of shrek 2
solemn gull
it's a nice change
sage kayak
No
slim sluice
fuck
solemn gull
gentle condor
thats why they suck lol
solemn gull
This is one of two story about what thugs apple is as a company
it's a two parter
they have really good hardware though
sage kayak
You can post anything you want, but you can expect very not nice consequences
solemn gull
it took me 3 days to get up to speed on pcs
slim sluice
I don't like apple but their ipads are just too good 
gentle condor
but windows is supported by everything
solemn gull
so many options and choices
gentle condor
almost everything*
granted, OSX is too, but I can say for sure that there will be a windows version of sth
especially with games
solemn gull
well there are some software no available on either platform
for creatives it has to be osx
for gamers windows
solemn gull
yeah for broke programmers
java looks the best on osx and windows
the last time I tried it on linux it was kind of ugly
gentle condor
I like how good pycharm looks
solemn gull
the fonts were all messed up
gentle condor
which is for OSX and windows
solemn gull
that's a great company
solemn gull
I like the things they make
gentle condor
and installing packages is easy
solemn gull
will you try other programming languages
solemn gull
well, I don't know python to know if it's a good programming languages to know or not
gentle condor
Its really easy to understand imo
its like the esperanto of languages
programming languages*
solemn gull
but the currently two most loved programming languages are 1. Rust 2. Kotlin
solemn gull
neither have I 🙂
do you usually do it on the regular
or just now and then?
oh. I need to sleep
gentle condor
just now and then
sage kayak
@woeful matrix did you write down some dreams?
sage kayak
You should still write it down then!
And if you feel like it, tell me about it as well
hot cloak
Wie geht es die?
sage kayak
*dir?
hot cloak
Dir*
sage kayak
Gut, und dir?
sage kayak
@river pike as you should actually be able to see, #general is pretty crowded right now
however, what do you need help with?
river pike
With answers to this test
sage kayak
There is exactly one answer I will give you to that
which is that we don't give you any answers like that, sorry
This is a learning server
You don't learn by getting solutions from members of this server
Btw, test?
So it gets marked?
river pike
yes
river pike
😦
sage kayak
Wrong server for that, sorry. If you feel like actually learning after it and have specific questions where we won't just give you answers (to exams), feel free to ask again
and good luck with the test
hot cloak
@sage kayak gut
sage kayak
Erfreulich, lew!
noble ermine
river pike
I did it with google translate 👍
toxic tundra
Wie geht es euch*
hot cloak
Is that the same as the other phrase
Except you use this one when referring to everybody?
Or multiple people
toxic tundra
Yes. Wir geht es dir = how are you (sing.) doing
Wie geht es euch = how are you (pl.) doing
Those pronouns are in Dativ case
toxic tundra
Hahah yeah it's intermediate content
I just wanted to explain why you write those pronouns like that
hot cloak
Oh ok
I will not overwhelm myself at the moment
And stick to studying beginner material
By the way
Do you think an hour of study each day is enough?
hot cloak
I’m not fussed with learning quickly since I’ll be studying german at university for 4 years
toxic tundra
The progress will be slow or fast but it will be steady
hot cloak
Consistency is king I guess
hot cloak
I studied for 40 mins today. I sort of wish I studied that extra 20 mins
Thank you (:
I’m feeling motivated now
toxic tundra
YASSSS
Sometimes you won't be able to study as much. Sometimes you may be able to study more. As long as you stop and study a little every day, it's fine
It can't be a chore, it can't be forced. Otherwise you'll get tired and stressed
hot cloak
You worded that perfectly
It is quality over quantity
I’m just glad we’re not one of those people that have unrealistic expectations of duolingo lol
Since that can only really get you to A2
hot cloak
Neat
Yeah using duolingo isn’t the problem
The problem arises when you think it will make you fluent
toxic tundra
Not by itself, definitely 😛
hot cloak
Also
Dutch is so cool
I sort of wish the Dutch didn’t all speak English
Because it would offer a much greater reason to learn the language
Good luck on your dutch learning journey
Though, knowing both English and German should pretty much make dutch a piece of cake
toxic tundra
Haha thanks
Yeah, it's helping a lot. It's fun to learn like that, when you can make connections to English and German
rare bridge
Maybe for vocab, but Dutch grammar is a whole other beast to slay
And thats coming from a native Dutch speaker haha
tidal nest
@rare bridge as a dutch native speaker, how much is the overlap between German and Dutch? how much German can u understand without studying it for example?
rare bridge
There's a lot of words which look similar and usually have the same definition. I'd say I could read german quite well, but depending on the type of linking words and vocabulary used, that can make it more difficult
I definitely would argue that it makes it easier to some extent
But it's not a free pass
Seen as German is way more gender-oriented when it comes to grammar
and Dutch tends to be a clusterfuck of exceptions and little rules here and there
balmy plover
that is my experience, that in reading i can understand about 2/3 of Dutch by a combination of similarities and context. Not in listening to speech though, where I only catch about 20%.
being able to read the words and have the time to think about it helps to recognise what are the congates.
i read some law texts and official documents in dutch and those were easier to understand than colloquial conversation because of all the proper terms
rare bridge
Yep
toxic tundra
Dutch grammar works differently but is much easier
So the beast so slay in my opinion is to understand that it’s... well, not German grammar. You have to learn a new one just like in any other language
arctic atlas
German Learning and Discussion
rare bridge
On topic of learning, does anyone have a recommendation for what is a good textbook to learn German?
Took a look at the resources list, and there are just so many to choose from
Are there like certain picks which are solid? Like for instance with Japanese methods like Genki & Minna no Nihongo were basically prime choices to use for self-study
shrewd roost
ich werde dennoch so tun als wäre es eine portalreferenz 😌
rare bridge
Ich hab ungefähr 3 Jahr Deutsch gelernt auf Schüle... Aber ich finde das mein Niveau A1 ist weil ich kein Deutsch mehr hab gelernt seit (ungefähr) 2013?
tidal nest
also
rare bridge
Akkusativ, Dominativ, Declension, etc. long time ago
tidal nest
ich werde A1 Deutschkurs Uni Passau Complete grammar with exercises
Hueber Grammatik course (A1-A2) with vocabulary: course for self-learning
Lingolia Grammar with many pictures for visual learner
Deutsch als Fremdsprache grammar guide (A1-A2.1)
Deutsche Grammatik practise Grammar exercises (A1-A2)
empfehlen
sag Bescheid, wenn du die Links brauchst
A1 Goethe Wortschatz http://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/Pruefungsziele_Testbeschreibung_A1_SD1.pdf
rare bridge
Already have the Goethe Wortschatz auf Anki, started on that in the meanwhile
Also let me take a look at the resources you sent
tidal nest
cool. macht das dir Spass?
tidal nest
super. Was ist dein Lieblingswort?
rare bridge
Ich finde "Die Praxis" ein geil Wort.
(Geil exclusively means horny in Dutch so it feels weird typing that)
Ich habe ein Freund auf Köln womit ich mein Deutsch kann üben
tidal nest
*womit ich mein Deutsch üben kann
rare bridge
Danke
rare bridge
Jep
I was wondering just how much of an impact having a speaking partner would make so I decided to challenge myself to learn German. Also seen how close Germany is to the Netherlands it'll come handy
half charm
hallo
bold bolt
@tidal nest do you have a link for B2.2 Wortschatz?
tidal nest
@bold bolt yes and no
the final vocabulary list that Goethe (and others) do is a B1 list
from then they do without a list as the vocabulary range required is much larger and vocabulary should be picked up through interacting with native material
that being said, the B1 wordlist did cover the majority of the words that came up in my B2 exam
rose inlet
Hat jmd Bock auf League
tidal nest
du sollest die Gaming sub beitreten. Geh zu Bot-Kanal und gib >sub gaming ein
bold bolt
@tidal nest Where did you find those links? I have to take the B2 exam xD