#general-2

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hot cloak
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When are you usually free?

next grail
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evenings and weekends KST

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what's our time difference? haha

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(currently 19:04 here)

hot cloak
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thonk im in germany GMT+2, 11:04 here :D

next grail
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8 hour difference hmmmmm

hot cloak
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I’m fine with mornings, so we can do our sessions your evenings ^^ and I’m free on weekends too

next grail
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awesome 😄 when would you like to start?

hot cloak
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Anytime you want, I’m ready :D

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We could start right away tbh loleyes

hazy mango
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This guy waiting for me again

nocturne frost
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cuteee

hot cloak
radiant matrix
meager seal
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hahahahah the end omg

wet garnet
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@radiant matrix bro

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i got stuck for so long

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bc of the loop

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kept hitting L

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til i realised

radiant matrix
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the entire video is extremely clever, the clone actually comes up three times

rancid agate
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the video works on phone too btw

radiant matrix
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not nearly as smoothly tho

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I tried it

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harder to time, especially at the end

rancid agate
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yeah

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the part at the end is pretty hard to do

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other than that its fine though if you have fast fingers

radiant matrix
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oi spoilers

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delet that

rancid agate
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sorry

fossil nova
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@hot cloak like for example Bundesaußenminister Heiko Maas hat der Rückkehr Russlands in die Gruppe der führenden westlichen Industriestaaten eine klare Absage erteilt. Grund dafür sei die völkerrechtswidrige Annexion der Krim, sagte Maas beim G7-Außenministertreffen in Kanada. Auch im Falle des Syrien-Konflikts müsse Moskau konstruktive Angebote machen, bevor der Gesprächsfaden wieder aufgenommen werden könne. Oppositionspolitiker der FDP und der Linken kritisierten Maas' Haltung und sprachen sich dafür aus, den russischen Präsidenten Wladimir Putin zum G7-Gipfel im Juni nach Kanada einzuladen.

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it's not the most easy german lol

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like a lot of political vocab, konjunktiv I which can confuse beginners, and the vocabulary is kinda complex at times

hot cloak
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There are news for kids too

fossil nova
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oh fairz

orchid wren
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erteilen*

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Nvm

lavish saddle
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@hot cloak I have changed your name for now, please change your profile pic too. Racist/nationalist/sexist content of any kind will not be tolerated.

solemn gull
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Finally on ||alpha|| it looks the same as ||beta|| which looks the same as ||normal discord||.

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@rancid agate 😠

rancid agate
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what

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you on android alpha now?

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and spoilers dont work?

solemn gull
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Yeah, spoiler works 😃

rancid agate
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oh it does

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lol

solemn gull
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But I thought there would be more magic

rancid agate
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lol

grim fulcrum
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train sounds

radiant matrix
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I hate that you can't hide the spoiler things again

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what if you click accidentally?

solemn gull
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Ich bin ganz einverstanden

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Thats the first thing I did. Click 2nd times to rehide

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Then raged when I couldn't

sudden panther
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Restart the app mmlol

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nocturne frost
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||like what arrem||

hot cloak
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sorry

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i am not racist

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i changing

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i changed

sudden panther
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Oh you'll see when they roll it out.

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You'll either hate me or love me, I'm not sure which.

young ledge
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Just a question but.... nationalist content.... what do you mean by that....?

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(I don't want to ping moderators... but it's a question I got because I wonder what is put behind the words "nationalist content")

sudden panther
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Basically don't post Nazi shit.

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Once exams are over we'll be reworking both #282831147942281216 in general and the rules, so some things should be clarified.

young ledge
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Well, i won't do it.

craggy marsh
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So if Hitler poops, I can't send a picture of it?

young ledge
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But, Nazism doesn't represent nationalism for me.... nor fascism

sudden panther
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No sir.

craggy marsh
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Aw

sudden panther
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Well, the wording indeed leaves room for ambiguity, that's why it's being changed.

young ledge
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This is what I thought.

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That it's kind of ambiguous...

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(Also a thing that causes me trouble.... when I say I am a nationalist.... I'm automatically assimilated with Fascism and Nazis)

hexed escarp
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hallo

opal sequoia
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@still meadow No politics in this server please, especially not insults related to politics.

still meadow
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Affirmative sir won't happen again

pallid kelp
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@young ledge because that's something strictly rooted in nationalism and essentially a direct consequence of it. There is a difference between nationalism and patriotism

nocturne frost
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@half oriole warum hast du in #intro gesquintet mmLol

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ein freund von dir? loleyes

desert pecan
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No absolutely no German teaching happens here

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Twas a joke

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Ask any question or look at the resources list

gaunt folio
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Hallo. Guten Abend!

half oriole
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@nocturne frost weil ich es kann squint squint squint

shy bobcat
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hallo 😄

hot cloak
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Guten morgen

hot cloak
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@spring pilot please refrain from holding conversations in #introductions, thanks

hot cloak
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Hey

nocturne frost
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Wasabi cheese!

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@true dragon

true dragon
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@nocturne frost Ooo! Never had that - how is it?

nocturne frost
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Never had it either I just saw it and thought of you ablobjoy

sudden panther
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Horkie that's mold. ::::::////////////

hot cloak
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Eating mold builds up a resistance

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@patent maple in welchem Bundesland bist du grad?

patent maple
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Baden

hot cloak
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ach so

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es gibt viele Ausländer von diesem Server in BW

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thonk ok, zwei andere mmlol

patent maple
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bald werde ich zurückkehren :p

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war nur hier auf Erasmus

hot cloak
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oh, woher kommst du denn?

patent maple
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Italien

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aber ja wo ich grad wohne gibt es viele Ausländer

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ist ja aber eine Unistadt

hot cloak
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welche, wenn ich fragen darf?

shy bobcat
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hi

patent maple
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@hot cloak Freiburg :)

hot cloak
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heyo ariiiiiii

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ohhhh, joa, Freiburg ist ziemlich bekannt

patent maple
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Ich habe schon lang her mein Niveau auf B eingestellt, bin mir aber davon nicht sicher, dass das mein Niveau ist 🤔 könnte jemand es bitte einschätzen?

hot cloak
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nur vom Chatten wäre es schwer, dein Niveau einzuschätzen, probiere mal einen Aufsatz zu schreiben und ihn in #writing zu posten

shy bobcat
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in #resources gab es zumindest früher n paar Einstufungstests

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weiß nicht ob das jetzt noch stimmt aber

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^^

hot cloak
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online Einstufungstests sind aber kacke

shy bobcat
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wahr 😦

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aber besser als von chat nachrichten schätzen 🤔

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oder?

hot cloak
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deswegen habe ich einen Aufsatz vorgeschlagen!

patent maple
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@hot cloak ist das ok, wenn ich einen kleinen Referatstext poste? keinen Bock was neues zu schreiben, ich mach das nicht gern 😛

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hab aber den Eindruck, dass mein schriftliches Deutsch viel besser als mein mündliches Deutsch ist

hot cloak
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klar, wie du willst^^

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du kannst auch in VCs gehen und dich mit anderen unterhalten und nach deinem Niveau fragen

patent maple
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na ja meinen täglichen Anteil an mündliches Deutsch habe ich schon hier in Deutschland :PP und es ist eine Qual

hot cloak
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dann frag einfach die Leute in Deutschland mmlol

shy bobcat
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hallo wie gut mein dojsch mmlol

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ihr kannt teste?

hot cloak
raven hull
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A0, setzen, 6.

desert pecan
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wie sprech dutsch

proven gust
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ich spreche deutsch @desert pecan

desert pecan
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was das

proven gust
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ich weiß nicht was du eben gesagt habe aber ja ich spreche deutsch

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ich schwöre

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@desert pecan hey do you wanna add me so we can speak german to each other and learn some more?

desert pecan
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kannst du machen wenn du willst mmlol

proven gust
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wunderschön ,':^)

rancid agate
radiant matrix
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n kollege von mir habe mal n paar deutsche Touristen überhört, die effektiv sowas wie “Die Einheimischen hier sprechen immer noch ihre ursprüngliche Sprache” gesagt hatten

rancid agate
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lol

hot cloak
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Hi

final rune
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Hello @hot cloak

nocturne frost
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@whole rapids die passivaufgaben wurden gemacht, also bin ich bereit für mein Wort blobpray

whole rapids
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@nocturne frost sich bekriegen

nocturne frost
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danke liebes pferd blobheart

stable plinth
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Hallo

signal falcon
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hallo

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wie geht es?

regal lantern
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Gut, warte auf ein mädl 👀

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bei dir?

hot cloak
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@viscid cape Remember when i asked about the „Was hast du Neues gemacht?“ thingy? I use it quite often tbh mmlol

viscid cape
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I'd use it too

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If only I had someone to ask it to

hot cloak
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lol

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Warum fragst du denn dann nicht mich?

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Krypti: Ich hab niemanden, mit dem ich sprechen kann PepeHands
Auch Krypti: pingt nie jemanden

viscid cape
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Weil das jetzt nicht mehr spontan wäre

hot cloak
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Dann nächstes mal eyeslol

whole rapids
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@viscid cape WIE GEHTS DIR; HAST DU IN LETZTER ZEIT WAS NEUES GEMACHT

viscid cape
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@hot cloak ^ So solltest du tun 😠

hot cloak
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If only I had someone to ask it to
Das ist aber nicht, was du wolltest! Entscheide dich doch mal! ablobrollingeyes

flat gazelle
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hallöchen

opal sequoia
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Hallo.

flat gazelle
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c:

opal sequoia
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Wie geht's dir?

flat gazelle
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Sehr gut, danke. Und dir?

opal sequoia
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Mir geht's gut, danke. 😄

pure plover
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Wie heißt ein "channel" auf Discord? Ein Kanal?

radiant matrix
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joa, oder einfach channel

cosmic wraith
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bitte einfach nur channel xD es gibt wirklich niemanden der Kanal sagt

opal sequoia
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Ja, es gibt mich. 👀

radiant matrix
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doch*

opal sequoia
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Doch. 👀

hot cloak
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Ich sage auch Kanal. 👀

opal sequoia
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😉

signal falcon
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hallo alle

buoyant kiln
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wie geth's

signal falcon
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ich bin gut, du?

buoyant kiln
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sehr gut

echo trail
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Moin moib

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Moin*

signal falcon
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gut morgen

sudden rapids
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Wie unterscheiden sich allgemein und nurdeutsch? 🤔

pallid kelp
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in allgemein ist Englisch erlaubt, obwohl Deutsch bevorzugt ist

sudden rapids
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Achso

echo trail
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Moin

eager belfry
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Guten AbendGWchiakiKannaWave

tight path
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es ist morgen hier

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so guten morgen

eager belfry
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In diesem Fall guten Morgen. Wie gehts?

gentle wharf
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Hello can someone correct this if its wrong 😃 Ich würde gerne zum Anfang meines Studiums zurückkehren und beweisen, Warum die Verspätung nicht meine Schuld war.

tight path
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ich bin müde

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aber ich bin immer müde

lunar pawn
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Ich bin auch immer müde, außer wenn ich es nicht bin

tight path
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lol

lunar pawn
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Das war richtig, oder sollte es sein wenn ich nicht bin ?

eager belfry
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*wenn ich es nicht bin/wenn ich nicht müde bin

lunar pawn
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Oh danke !

eager belfry
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Irgendwie ist es so ruhig in diesem KanalGWnanamiKurisuSip

tight path
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keine ahnung

hexed escarp
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Hallo alles

real moth
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Hallo Ich bin alles

radiant matrix
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nein, bist du nicht

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“ALL errors”, eh?

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  1. there should be a comma after Hallo
  2. ich isn’t capitalized
  3. you just said “Hi, I am everything”
signal falcon
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nein du

radiant matrix
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  1. in linguistics, errors and mistakes aren’t the same thing and I believe you want corrections to mistakes too (a mistake is like a one-off thing you said wrong, while an error is a persistent thing you systematically get wrong)
hot cloak
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so errors are repeated mistakes?

desert pecan
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😎

hot cloak
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hey trish, wie gehts

desert pecan
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gut, bin grad vom strand zurückgekommen. und dir?

hot cloak
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es geht, bin echt müde

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gehst du jeden Tag zum Strand?

desert pecan
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lol ich wünschte

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nur weils uniferien ist

hot cloak
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ach so

desert pecan
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warum müde

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arbeit? oder schule

hot cloak
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ich war nicht zum Strand schon seit Jahren

desert pecan
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oder vielleicht deutsch mmlol

hot cloak
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hmmm, irgendwie hab ich nicht gut geschlafen

signal falcon
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hallo

desert pecan
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das ist traurig suzu, musst du irgendwann tun

hot cloak
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bei mir Schule = Deutsch lol

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hallo, caroline

signal falcon
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wie geht's?

hot cloak
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ich habe aber niemanden, mit dem ich gehen könnte, allein würde ich mich gelangweilt fühlen

desert pecan
hot cloak
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es geht, und dir, caroline?

desert pecan
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also du studierst nicht nur deutsch, oder?

hot cloak
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doch

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oder ohnehin im Moment

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ich mache grad ein Gap-year, wo ich nur deutsch lerne

desert pecan
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ach hätte ich auch machen sollen.

hot cloak
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willst du nach de, trish?

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hey ctu

rich hatch
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aber du studierst auch Korean, sushi, oder?

desert pecan
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naja irgendwann, aber nach der uni (bachelors)

signal falcon
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sehr gut, suzu.

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well, that's the extent of my german capabilities, see you folks later

hot cloak
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lol bis später, caroline

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@rich hatch hmmm, also...

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um genau zu sein studiere ich weder deutsch noch koreanisch

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und koreanisch lerne ich nur ab und zu, wenn ich Lust drauf habe

desert pecan
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hab grad bemerkt warum hast du die level a rolle 😄

hot cloak
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weil arrem mmlol

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...ein meme ist

rich hatch
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memerrem lol

desert pecan
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das weiß jeder

rich hatch
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aber du bist ein mod

hot cloak
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ja?

rich hatch
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natuerlich kannst du deine Rolle aendern, richtig?

hot cloak
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das kann man, auch wenn man kein mod ist, ctu lol

rich hatch
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...oh

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ja >_>

hot cloak
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lol

real moth
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oops

rich hatch
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rif ich

hot cloak
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also, joa, aber mir macht's nichts, wenn ich eine A rolle habe

rich hatch
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achso

hot cloak
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ctu, wann B?

rich hatch
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_>

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keine Ahnung

desert pecan
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ich kann nicht aufhören, 'achso' wie 'achoo' zu lesen

rich hatch
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ich fuehle nicht als B

hot cloak
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a- A- Ahhhh CHOOO

desert pecan
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gesundheit 🚅

hot cloak
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*ich fühle mich nicht wie B
ich schätze mich nicht auf B

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danke schön, trish

rich hatch
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wie? danke, sushi ^-^

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und 'mich'

hot cloak
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ka, ich denke, so klingt es besser GWseremePeepoThink

rich hatch
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es klingt ein bisschen wie Russisch 🤔

ich schätze mich nicht auf B
weil du (fast) C bist? ^_^

desert pecan
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auf der anderen seite werde ich bald A mmlol

hot cloak
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lol schön wär's ctu

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wieso, trish?

desert pecan
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ehh nur ein Witz aber ich hab seit langem nichts geschrieben (ich meine formelles schreiben und nicht im server zu memen)

hot cloak
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dann schreib mal was, pferd postet in letzter Zeit viele promps

desert pecan
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braucht aber motivation und mühe dafür mmlol

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muss was essen.. bis gleich

hot cloak
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du willst nach de, oder? motiviert das dich nicht genug? 👀

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guten

rich hatch
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guten appetit, trish

hot cloak
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@viscid cape hallo lieber Krypti, wie geht’s dir?

viscid cape
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@hot cloak Sushi Wamushi 😻 : Mir geht's gut, und dir?

hot cloak
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Es geht, ich bin sehr müde

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Morgen habe ich eine Prüfung, die entscheidet, ob ich die wichtige Deutschprüfung ablegen darf

viscid cape
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Wie tolllll 😻 Du schaffst das auf jeden Fall, dessen bin ich mir sicher

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Kannst du dich nicht ein bisschen ausruhen?

hot cloak
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Danke schön, Krypti

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Joa, einerseits hab ich das heute vor, andererseits komme ich erst um 8 nach Hause, also hmmmm mmlol

viscid cape
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O je FeelsBadMan Hast du Vorlesungen?

hot cloak
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Ich hab zwei Seminare und dann noch einen Tanzkurs

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Heute halte ich übrigens noch ein Referat 👀

viscid cape
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Vietnamesischer Tanz 😻

hot cloak
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Ne lol mmlol

viscid cape
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Wovon handelt das Referat

hot cloak
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Von den Grundlagen der Atomstruktur

viscid cape
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W-was...

hot cloak
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Atomaufbau 👀

viscid cape
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Darüber kann ich selbst auf Englisch nicht reden

hot cloak
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Könntest du schon, wenn du dich damit auch befasst hättest hahaha

viscid cape
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Was möchtest du nochmal studieren? Chemie?

hot cloak
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Genau

viscid cape
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Ja dann kann sich der zu lernende Wortschatz als sehr nützlich erweisen

hot cloak
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Krypti

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Bist du in letzter Zeit aktiv? Ich sehe dich nicht so oft

viscid cape
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Weniger als zuvor, allerdings tauche ich immer noch fast jeden Tag auf, um Unsinn zu reden mmlol

opal sequoia
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Ich liebe Kypri.

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Auch wenn er uralt ist.

nocturne frost
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👴

slate ridge
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Krytikosis ist berühmt

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Und er wird immer sein

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Oder "sie"

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🤔

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Immer schlecht, wenn man die Geschlecht der anderen Person nicht weißt

hot cloak
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es

craggy marsh
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Ich denke dass Krypti ein Kerl ist...

pallid kindle
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investigating Krypti lol

sudden panther
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That just means she was talking to girls at the time. Krypti is definitely a girl, we've seen photos of her. 👀

opal sequoia
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Yeah, @sudden panther and @viscid cape are old ladies who have tea together and are in the same knitting club.

craggy marsh
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Riight

viscid cape
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Why did you have to quote me speaking wrong English FeelsBadMan

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Btw @sudden panther why have you been skipping our knitting sessions

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👵

craggy marsh
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Quite a modern, fellow-kids lady, using pepe emojis

craggy marsh
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Schöne Augen, Krypti

final rune
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Augen bling bling

nocturne frost
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@fossil nova Kakerlaken

buoyant kiln
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türk yok mu aq

peak burrow
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@whole rapids before i go to sleep, one word please

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in exchange, take this one:

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Schabernack

whole rapids
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@peak burrow to exonerate

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I like your word offering

pallid kindle
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@whole rapids

whole rapids
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@pallid kindle um etw. bangen

hot cloak
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@whole rapids what’s the rest that you’re getting down rn?

whole rapids
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in general? vocab and application of it
grammar? not being concentrating on that lately, but want to get word order down properly

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to get natural word order

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instead of English leaking in

hot cloak
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I see GWseremePeepoThink

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How do you learn vocab?

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It’s the hardest part for me

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Thanks for the word btw, was truly exciting

whole rapids
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as it should be

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I just read and read

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not much else you can do

hot cloak
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Was liest du am meisten

whole rapids
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jeden Tag erscheint etwas neues

hot cloak
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Ich hatte ein Skript, das ich interessant fand, aber hab es schon beendet und jetzt weiß ich nicht mehr, was ich lesen sollte

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Ohje, ich nutze kein Firefox

whole rapids
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sonst lese ich Tageschau oder sowas

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das musst du wohl ändern!!!!!!

hot cloak
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Das über hacken hab ich grad heute gelesen

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Ne, ich bin mit google Chrom zufrieden

whole rapids
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Chrome hat kein Pocketding

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ich lese auch Novellen gerne, aber in letzter Zeit lese ich Bücher, die auf Englisch geschrieben wurden

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also, nicht hilfreich zum Deutschlernen

hot cloak
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Dann werde ich dich jeden Tag stören müssen und nach Artikel fragen

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Hmmmm

whole rapids
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na gut

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wenn du willst

hot cloak
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Ich sollte schließlich ein Buch auf deutsch lesen

whole rapids
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die Artikel sind auch gut dafür, Wörter zu sammeln, die oft mit Präpositionen gepaart werden

hot cloak
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BOAAAAA

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erinnerst du dich an alle?

whole rapids
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lol nein

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zu viele

hot cloak
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lol, dachte ich mir

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Ich muss schon schlafen gehen, danke für die Tipps, liebes Pferd

sudden panther
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Ne, ich bin mit google Chrom zufrieden
Disgusting. 🤢

whole rapids
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ja, wenn ich ein paar hundert mehr habe, will ich die Wörter analysieren, um herauszufinden, welche Präpositionen oft beispielsweise mit welcher Art von Verb gepaart werden

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Gute Nacht, Kleine

storm bloom
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For anyone who's done Steuererklaerung in Germany - how much would a working student get in returned taxes ? like more than 50 ? 100 ? wanna know if it's worth it to pay a company around 30 euros.

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I'm on ELSTER now and have no idea how to do it myself xD

hot cloak
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Gut bin back mit nen zweitaccount

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@hot cloak warum? Was ist dein erster account?

meager seal
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vielleicht Dashi 1? lol

hot cloak
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Ist es nicht

left jolt
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Wenn ich einmal niese beten auch die Atheisten

tame sable
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Guten Morgen

hot cloak
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Hallo

feral orchid
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where can u get german subs for south park and other stuff??

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tag me

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bs.to is simply amazing for the video source, but nonetheless need german sub

desert pecan
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opensubtitles if it's not there it's not anywhere

pine ingot
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Does anybody know where to watch Friends dubbed (subbed as well if possible) in german?

meager seal
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opensubtitles is banned in australia lolll

wet garnet
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what

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its not

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oh yeah it is

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but i had a vpn last time on it

deep hearth
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@pine ingot you can use bs.to and find the subs on opensubtitles

desert pecan
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sorry what haha go Australia

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rip tech industry here too

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country of innovation 👌

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(also switch to dns over tls/https if you're not on a vpn)

meager seal
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was meinst du?

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@desert pecan

desert pecan
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mit?

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da gibts vier sätze haha

hot cloak
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@hot cloak Heyo Teri, would you have sometimes time to VC and help with reading and pronunciation in korean please? 👀

lavish saddle
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@charred mulch Could you change your profile picture and username of your account(since it pops up when you're pinged)? Racist/nationalist/sexist content of any kind will not be tolerated.

real moth
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hallo

eager matrix
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sup?

rustic sedge
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@radiant matrix hmmm do you think I might have gone a little bit off the scope of the guide 😅

radiant matrix
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guide?

rustic sedge
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The thing you suggested to write

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In answer of the question "how and where do I learn the language?"

radiant matrix
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I don’t recall

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sure that was me?

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I don’t remember telling someone to do that

rustic sedge
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yes .. ?

radiant matrix
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oh as in beginner’s guide thingy?

rustic sedge
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yes

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I decided we both, and everyone else is welcome, are going to make it 😅

heavy trellis
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aha es liegt schnee hier

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schliesslich xd

solemn gull
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Es regnet hier und ich habe eine Fenster meiner Wohnung offen gelassen

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😲

eager matrix
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*ein

solemn gull
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Danke krazan

viral vale
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Oh nein

hot cloak
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ey wie heißt der command für nativ speaker ?

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oder wie der Quatsch heißt

rancid agate
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musst die mods fragen

hot cloak
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@hot cloak Sag maln bisschen was auf Deutsch. Nur, damit wir wissen, dass du auch Muttersprachler bist

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Guten Tag wie geht es ihnen heute, schönes Wetter nicht war?

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Reicht das?

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joa, danke und willkommen :)

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thx

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Wo ist eigentlich der Grammatik channel ?

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In diesen Channels geht es meistens um Grammatik

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ok

rustic sedge
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@nocturne frost I still don't understand 😅

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Is the speaker saying that the "terminological ..." term is very formal ?

nocturne frost
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Uh no I just meant the phrase is very formal and dramatic

rustic sedge
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Aha

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@true dragon yes but what does the whole " .... is of unfailing interest to the honorable gentleman" mean 😅

true dragon
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@rustic sedge Speaker A: Speaker C lied. Speaker B to Speaker A: You seem to have a strong interest in whether Speaker C lied.

rustic sedge
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oh wow

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thnx Harbi and Hecku

true dragon
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Cheers

rustic sedge
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Now this level of formality and articulation is quite impressive

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How can I learn to speak like that 😅

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Or I don't need to speak like that?

hot cloak
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@solemn gull my korean reading thingy happens on sunday, time: now minus 1h 15 min loleyes

solemn gull
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Teri said yes? I'll try to peek. @hot cloak

hot cloak
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yes, teri said yes to my proposal 😻

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jk

solemn gull
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:)

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I'll have to review Korean pronunciation

hot cloak
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same mmlol

solemn gull
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I think you should have most of the vowels. Except for ㅓ

hot cloak
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i have that

solemn gull
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Then it's just consonants 😱

hot cloak
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consonants are the real problem >.>

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woher kommst du nochmal, trax?

solemn gull
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US

pallid kelp
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consonants are a problem in korean? Do you mean in terms of associating glyphs with sounds or making the sounds themselves?

hot cloak
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what are glyphs?

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the letters?

solemn gull
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Making the rounds and listening

pallid kelp
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@hot cloak "symbols"

solemn gull
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ㅅ ㅆ, ㅈ ㅉ

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Those are tough

hot cloak
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making the sounds themselves

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so yeah the earth being flat and stuff @feral orchid

pallid kelp
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ㅅ is just s/ß

hot cloak
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do you live near the coast?

feral orchid
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what makes u think earth flat?

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yah

hot cloak
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okay so when you look over the horizon

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what do you see?

feral orchid
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hmm

hot cloak
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you see a flat line

feral orchid
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a line

gusty rock
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troll

hot cloak
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if the earth were round

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i have problems differentiating the normal, aspirated and "stronger" letters

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you'd see a curve

feral orchid
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thats it...... m convinced

hot cloak
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I was shocked when some homeless dude pointed this out to me

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so I can understand your disbelief

pallid kelp
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please stop trolling, we're trying to have a conversation on stuff here ^^

hot cloak
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:(( sorry

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btw berzi, you know korean? :o

pallid kelp
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i can read and pronounce it, i'm basically A0 grammar-wise

hot cloak
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i see :o

solemn gull
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Hello fellow A0

pallid kelp
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ok so, as far as aspirated vs not aspirated goes:

  • practical example: put your palm in front of your mouth and say t!. If you feel a puff of air hit the hand, that's aspirated. English, by the way, does this with p t k all the time, you hear it especially from british speakers and some accents of american more than others
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as it happens with t, it happens for other consonants. Korean, as many other languages, does it only with unvoiced consonants (so p t k, but not their voiced counterparts b d g)

hot cloak
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ok, i think i got the aspirated ones

pallid kelp
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quirk of korean: as you may or not already know, when it's at the start of a word, a consonant will be always unvoiced. Aspirated consonants in korean are always unvoiced even in the middle of words

hot cloak
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!!! i did think it was so but wasnt sure

pallid kelp
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that's why you may see western words written in korean with aspirated consonants in the middle of a word, to maintain for example a t ㅌ, that with a regular ㄷ would instead become a d

hot cloak
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makes sense

pallid kelp
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as for stronger letters, what's your native language again?

hot cloak
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czech

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i cant differentiate between the unvoiced consonants and the strong letters

pallid kelp
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ok so, afaik your language doesn't have the distinction, and english or german don't either. Moreover, my native language does use them extensively, so they're natural to me, and all this may complicate it for you, but i'll try my best to explain ^^

hot cloak
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i also speak vietnamese if that helps

pallid kelp
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but before i try anything else, you should know that the best way to learn that is probably to find a minimal pair (two words that sound the same, except for that one letter. Such as what in german could be Massen vs. Maßen) and audio of it

hot cloak
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hmmm, yeah i should definitely try that

pallid kelp
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so that you can try to distinguish the two and intuitively find what makes them different. It's normal for it to be hard to hear at first because neurologically, our brain "unlearns" to distinguish stuff that it doesn't need to, so it takes a while

hot cloak
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oh makes sense

pallid kelp
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if i knew korean better i could help you find words but unfortunately my vocab hardly reaches 10 words lol

hot cloak
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its ok!! i can ask around, thanks a bunch for the tips! ❤

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btw, congrats on the wedding, just realized i didnt say anything lol ❤

pallid kelp
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haha np, thank you ^^

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anyway, i think i have one more tip for double consonants. It should be rather easy with s since it's a fricative

solemn gull
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What's your language berkzi?

pallid kelp
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if you imitate a snake you do ssss, that's definitely longer than the normal s you do when pronouncing words with s. Then it's just a matter to find the shortest "sssss" sound that is long enough to be different from a single "s"

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I'm Italian, natively

hot cloak
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i dont get that enton

pallid kelp
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hm

sudden panther
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If you imitate a snake and do snake you won't get banned.

pallid kelp
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^ the right motivation

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random thought that probably won't help: sometimes English natives, especially some accents of british, might pronounce a double consonant without noticing. Since those don't exist in english, they'd mentally detect them as the same letters

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but for example a finnish or italian person would be able to tell the difference

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i'd be able to help better with this in voicechat but i won't be available for that until monday morning

hot cloak
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no problem, ill try to find some audios or ask some natives, thanks anyways berzi!!

sudden panther
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Gotcha.

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tts ko hello i am the korea man

viral thunderBOT
nocturne frost
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it even sounds like you lmfao

shy plank
#

@pallid kelp voll cool du sprichst also Italienisch? die Sprache wollte ich schon immer lernen, weißt du ob es einen Server wie dieser gibt halt für Italienisch?

pallid kelp
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@hot cloak see if you can find words on forvo that form minimal pairs. Since your problem is not specific to korean but rather of phonology in general, you can search for words in other languages that have double consonants. Recommendattions: italian, greek, finnish. An example of italian minimal pair: moto, motto

hot cloak
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Omg even the name is the same lol

nocturne frost
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we have fans

hot cloak
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I’ll check it out, thanks again berzi :D

shy plank
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@pallid kelp dankeschön!

solemn gull
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I won't get to do Italian until last quarter of this year

nocturne frost
#

you can start now

hot cloak
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no do german

sudden panther
#

Wow @pallid kelp no advertising next warning = shot dog omggg.

pallid kelp
#

jokes on you, i don't have a dog

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also, PUCK THE FOLICE

hot cloak
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knowing arrem, he'll give you a dog just to shoot it

pallid kelp
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what if i shoot the dog before he can even give it to me

hot cloak
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@sudden panther what then?

sudden panther
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Then we buy him a cat and shoot it.

pallid kelp
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DON'T shoot cats wtf what are you a monster

nocturne frost
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no hes worse

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hes arrem

hot cloak
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Arrem and monster are synonymous

hexed escarp
#

Hallo alles

hot cloak
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Morgen

pallid kelp
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Hallo alles is not a thing

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"Hi everything"

brave dune
#

Hallo alle zusammen?

craggy marsh
#

Ampel was just trying to be inclusive and say hi to objects too :P

hot cloak
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@pulsar edge wo in Deutschland wohnst du, wenn ich fragen darf?

quiet tangle
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hey

hot cloak
#

I listen mostly to exo and NCT - especially nct 127 and nct u
Bts a bit but I’m not such a fan @median tree

pulsar edge
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@hot cloak ich wohne in Bremen

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Warum fragst du?

median tree
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@hot cloak exo has such good songs.. and D.O.'s voice 👌 💯 .

Have you heard BTS' Spring day? That's prolly my fave song of them.

pulsar edge
#

Have you gone to a Kpop night in Germany before?

hot cloak
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@pulsar edge ich war nur neugierig
und hab noch nie von einer kpop nacht in de gehört

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@median tree yeaaaaaa, i like d.o the most there
you should also check out exo cbx
and my fave songs from bts are blood, sweat and tears and idol

pulsar edge
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There's one tonight in Hamburg!

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I think.

median tree
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@hot cloak yeah I liked Blooming day (that 'Can I be your boyfriend' is catchy xD) and Horololo.

Do you like any girl groups? Red Velvet and Blackpink have nice songs ^^

hot cloak
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i dont think im going to hamburg tonight tho lol

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i like those two songs too!!

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also hey mama

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and no, i dont listen to girl groups but im into solo by jennie lately

pulsar edge
#

Nee die nächste Wochenende

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I love rv

median tree
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That one's so catchy lol. Her group even did a collab with Dua Lipa. I still can't believe how good those all groups dance ;-; I just sit and stare

hot cloak
#

im too poor for parties FeelsBadMan

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yeah, i know righttttt

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if you like the dances then NCT will blow your mind!

median tree
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I only know Simon says and Regular. I'll have to check them out further

hot cloak
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i dont really like simon says

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regular is ok but lemme find some better songs

median tree
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Sure ^^

hot cloak
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7th sense
Limitless
Yestoday
Dream in a dream

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Chain
Boss

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Oh, Teamin is also good - move by teamin is one of my favorite dances

median tree
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Ok i just checked all of them lmao and I gotta say they are good 👀

7th sense has such a nice vibe to it? Almost futuristic lol idk. Chain and Boss are 100% bops 💯 👌

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Oh Move is great

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Does he have any more solos?

hot cloak
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wow you were fast lol

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yeah, teamin is mostly solo rn!

median tree
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Bc i've listened to some before xD

hot cloak
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i seeeee hahaha

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i love yestoday, its so chill

median tree
#

Dang NCT has like 18 members? You know all their names?

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They rap so good too lol

hot cloak
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no way

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i know like 5 of them thats all

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do you know sm just debuted nct chine under a chinese label?

median tree
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I only remember Lucas because comments seem to like him xD

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🤔

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Wait so

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They separated them ??

hot cloak
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yeah, cuz korea and china have some beef with each other

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so sm had to set up a new company in china

median tree
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Whoa

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I thought they were all friendly xD

hot cloak
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no, i mean the countries, not the members lol

median tree
#

Are you learning Korean? I saw you type sth in anderesprachen

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Yeah i know xD

hot cloak
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i remember mark cuz hes in all units so there are memes about him joining nct china despite not being chinese lol

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yeah, im learning korean rn but im A0

median tree
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I mean, Mark is an easy name to remember xD

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I heard it is super hard. What are their letters/characters called? I know there are kanji in Japanese or sth xD

hot cloak
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hangul - the alphabet is easy i think

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cuz it was created artificially

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im not sure about the language yet, ill tell you after/if i reach B lol

median tree
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I find those languages fascinating. Like reading them seems like a new world to me because I'm obviously familiar only with standard European alphabet, it takes me longer to even read Cyrillic let alone sth else xD

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Well good luck with it ^^

hot cloak
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yeah, im also only familiar with the latin script and it takes me ages to read anything lol

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thanks c:

rancid agate
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standard european

pallid kelp
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latin :^)

hot cloak
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its called the latin script, oder?

pallid kelp
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latin alphabet or script

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but it's still a rather vague name either way because depending on the speaker and context, it may or may not also refer to letters with diacritics or expansions such as þ ð (used in Icelandic, which does use latin script exclusively)

rancid agate
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ISO Basic Latin Alphabet

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abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz

pallid kelp
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aka "Germanic languages latin alphabet"

rancid agate
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actually aka english alphabet

pallid kelp
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since there's no language other than some germanic ones that uses just those letters without any additional letter or diacritic

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english and dutch

rancid agate
#

does afrikaans use any diacritics?

pallid kelp
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unless i'm failing to remember some diacritic used in dutch

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i think it doesn't

rancid agate
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well dutch regularly uses diareses to split diphthongs

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i feel like that should count

radiant matrix
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dutch uses diacritics, and also treats ij as a letter

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complete with capitalizing it as IJ

rancid agate
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tru

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forgot about that one

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so yeah, only english and afrikaans then?

radiant matrix
#

does afrikaans not use any diacritics ever?

rancid agate
#

idk

radiant matrix
#

there has got to be some other lang without diacritics

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sth with a small phonology

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The alphabet is perhaps the smallest in use, with only 12 letters of ISO basic Latin alphabet without any diacritics and ligatures. The letters are A E G I K O P R S T U V. T and S both represent the phoneme /t/, written with S before an I and in the name 'Rotokas', and with T elsewhere. The V is sometimes written B.

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there we go

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rotokas

pallid kelp
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all i can think of is serbian, but it doesn't exclusively use latin

rancid agate
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but is there any language with exactly all 26 letters and nothing else?

radiant matrix
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uhh

pallid kelp
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look, it's pretty clear at this point that if one exists aside from english, it's just a coincidence

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the "standard" was built on english. It's quite apparent

radiant matrix
rancid agate
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the standard was built on english

radiant matrix
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it was built on eurolangs sans diacritics

rancid agate
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id say the standard was built on latin

radiant matrix
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German has the same alphabet as english, it just also has a diacritic and a ligature

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neither of which are considered letters

pallid kelp
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i meant that the letters selected to be in the standard was based on english

rancid agate
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ido, indonesian, interlingua, malay

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ido is artificial right

radiant matrix
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yea

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it’s an esperanto spinoff

rancid agate
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ye

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so we have 3 natural languages without diacritics

pallid kelp
#

indonesian and malay got their transliteration through western cultural influence. It's safe to say they were not a factor in determining the iso standard

craggy marsh
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Esperanto spin off lmao

rancid agate
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ye

pallid kelp
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the only option left is interlingua. But I doubt it was what the iso people started from to determine the standard

radiant matrix
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the iso alphabet is literally “all the letters in common use throughout europe, but without diacritics”

rancid agate
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^

radiant matrix
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that’s eurocentric, yes, but not anglocentric

craggy marsh
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What are diacritics?

radiant matrix
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things like ◌́

rancid agate
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little marks above or below a letter

radiant matrix
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or ◌̋

craggy marsh
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So accents are diacritics...?

radiant matrix
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where ◌ is any letter

rancid agate
#

ėēĕęěéèêë

pallid kelp
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the only way out i see is that it's the smallest intersection of the set of letters used in european languages with latin script. But that may yet not fit

radiant matrix
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just a different name for the same thing

rancid agate
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accents are a type of diacritic

pallid kelp
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accents are diacritics, but not all diacritics are accents

rancid agate
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éè called accents in romance languages

radiant matrix
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what’s so hard about “all the regular letters, wtihout any diacritics”?

craggy marsh
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How do you send this dotted circle symbol?

pallid kelp
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ç has a diacritic but it's not an accent

radiant matrix
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I have it on my keyboard on a combine thingy

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♫…o

craggy marsh
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Ah, I see

rancid agate
#

why is your compose key a musical note

radiant matrix
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“compose“

rancid agate
#

i mean it makes sense from the name but not really from the functionality

radiant matrix
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I mean it has to be called something right

rancid agate
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tru

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id just call it <Cmp> or smth like that tho

radiant matrix
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but why

rancid agate
#

idk

pallid kelp
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@radiant matrix >what’s so hard about “all the regular letters, wtihout any diacritics”?
the fact that it's not just all the regular letters. There are letters without diacritics used in natural european languages with latin script that are not part of the standard, such as þ and ð which i mentioned earlier.
And the fact that only one or few languages actually use those doesn't matter, because many languages don't use many of the languages included in the standard.

radiant matrix
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the keyboard itself gives ♫ if I double-tap it

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“regular” as in “used by most languages”. þ is used by one language. ð by two.

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make that “most major european”

pallid kelp
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"most"?

rancid agate
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þ is also a derivative of runes and not of the latin or greek alphabets which gives it another reason not to be included

pallid kelp
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that would be a good argument

radiant matrix
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just about every european lang has ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ as a subset in its alphabet, even if there are little to no native words with some of those letters

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meanwhile just about no european lang has Ä or ẞ or Œ or Þ

rancid agate
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every european lang that uses the latin alphabet*

radiant matrix
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I mean, what else would you have added or removed from the standard alphabet?

pallid kelp
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i can't think of any romance language which natively includes w and k

radiant matrix
#

I did literally put a disclaimer

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do you list K when singing the alphabet song

rancid agate
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there arent any @pallid kelp

radiant matrix
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or writing out the whole alphabet

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do you learn of the letter K at school?

pallid kelp
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in Italy? No

rancid agate
#

you dont learn K in school?

pallid kelp
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JKXWY are not part of the italian alphabet learned in elementary school. You learn it later by usage etc but it's not official

radiant matrix
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fine, so italian is an exception in the other way

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but e.g. portuguese also doesn’t really use K or W and they learn them at school. same with german and C

pallid kelp
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I think W and K aren't included in Spanish and French either, officially

craggy marsh
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And Y, we dont use Y either

pallid kelp
#

for portuguese you mean?

craggy marsh
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Yeah

lost dagger
#

Gluten Morgen ^^

lunar pawn
#

Das ist ein schöner und sexy Regenbogen

lost dagger
#

Ja!

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Noch ein Foto mit meinem sexy Auto [das bestimmt nicht meiner Mutter gehört] unterm Regenbogen

solemn gull
#

Ist das auch deine Mutter im Foto? Sie ist sehr stark und schön.

left jolt
#

@lost dagger welchem

lost dagger
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Was?

#

oh

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Das orange

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@solemn gull ja, meine Mutter ist der Regenbogen

hot cloak
#

@faint bluff Welcome to our server 👋 the only context I’ve ever seen “Ich hab lieb” used in is when you tell someone you like them - mostly with family/lovers since it’s pretty... uh, strong? So like “Ich habe dich lieb”, so using it with languages sounds strange :’)

nocturne frost
#

@deft smelt #beginner-german

marble python
#

Moin Moin allerseits

hot cloak
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willkommen

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darf ich wissen, wo du diesen Server gefunden hast? @marble python

marble python
weak thistle
#

Wie kann ich B Rolle haben?

marble python
#

Darf ich hier bleiben?

hot cloak
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natürlich darfst du! lol

marble python
#

Das freut mich lol

hot cloak
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wir waren nur neugierig, da wir plötzlich so viele neuen Users bekommen haben

weak thistle
#

@hot cloak wie kann ich Rolle B bekommen?

arctic atlas
weak thistle
#

Vielen Dank

hot cloak
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@quiet geyser please keep convos out of #introductions, you can use one of the general channels for them instead, thanks

weak thistle
#

In Deutschland sagt man oft “ das war ein Griff ins Klo”

arctic atlas
#

@tranquil summit @stiff adder what do you need two accounts for ?

stiff adder
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this is the only my account

hot cloak
#

🤔 ok

ashen herald
#

Es kann ein Glitch sein?

hot cloak
#

ist es nicht

ashen herald
#

Ah jaa ich habe die zweite gefunden.

#

1919 und 4442 wow

weak thistle
#

Ein andere Name für eine Katastrophe @storm inlet

rancid agate
#

@lost dagger gutes bild, man sieht den zweiten regenbogen

hot cloak
#

warum funktioniert reddit nicht?

heavy wave
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@hot cloak was meinst du? bei mir funktioniert es

hot cloak
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alles gut jetzt lol ich weiss nicht, warum es passiert ist

lunar pawn
#

Jemand hat dir verflucht Vaquinha

faint bluff
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@hot cloak haha danke! I’ve only seen it in the context of a song I sang “Herr ich habe liebe die Stätte deines Hauses“ and could only piece together “ich habe liebe” what’s a way I could use it in other contexts?

heavy wave
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It's "ich hab lieb die Stätte deines Hauses..."
It's like saying "ich liebe die Stätte deines Hauses", the parts of the whole phrase are just kinda mixed up @faint bluff

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you can do that for (almost) every phrase in German, actually.
They can sound wrong, especially to a native speaker, but technically they are right.

hot cloak
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I think in the sentence "ich hab lieb die Stätte deines Hauses" the word order is technically incorrect just like in "Kommst du mit ins Kino?"

lunar crow
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Hallo leute. Wie geht's? Ist jemand wach?

gusty rock
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Morgen

hot cloak
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hallo GWczeHowdy

terse vortex
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Moin!

lunar crow
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Hallo alles! Aber, hier es ist nacht! Was machst du heute alle?

hot cloak
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einfach liege ich in meinem Bett

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werde bald schlafen

lunar crow
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Wo lebst du?

hot cloak
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@whole rapids Erbgut

heavy wave
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@hot cloak "kommst du mit ins Kino" is just a normal question someone would say
The other sentence is also right, but not in an order you would normally say. To a native speaker, it sounds a bit ancient. But grammatically its still 100% correct

hot cloak
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@heavy wave my point is, "kommst du mit ins Kino?" does sound perfectly natural in spoken language, but also is plainly incorrect in written language. The rule is, separable prefix goes to the very end: mitkommen, liebhaben.

radiant matrix
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except it’s not because that sentence is analyzed as having the verb kommen plus an adverb mit

hot cloak
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mit doesn't exist as an adverb

final rune
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so what's the right way? Möchten Sie mit mir ins Kino gehen?

heavy wave
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What do you mean, dont get it

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Its not incorrect in written language

hot cloak
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You probably don't have to bother yourself with that as a native speaker

heavy wave
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You can say
"kommst du mit ins Kino?" or
"kommst du ins Kino mit?"

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They're both right

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Because in German you can mix up a lot as long as you keep the Satzglieder together

radiant matrix
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Roman, as evidenced by the sentence “Kommst du mit ins Kino”, which only makes grammatical sense if mit is an adverb, it exists as an adverb

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language changes, get over it

hot cloak
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I do not deny it gdi

radiant matrix
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the only sense in which we can assign parts of speech to words is by looking at what syntactic situations the words come up

hot cloak
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But there's a quite strict rule about separable prefixes at the end of a clause

radiant matrix
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yes which is why I am arguing it is not a separable prefix

hot cloak
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It's not like we can do that with every verb

radiant matrix
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separable prefixes don’t appear in that position

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so clearly it isn’t one

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which leaves the option of “the verb is actually kommen and mit is acting as an adverb”

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which makes perfect sense to me

hot cloak
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Why do phrases from the spoken language have to be grammatically correct?

heavy wave
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Because it IS correct

radiant matrix
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because that is the only sensible notion to even define “grammatically correct”

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otherwise you end up with speakers who cannot speak their own native language correctly, and that is an oxymoron

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grammaticality (in linguistics) cares about how people use the langauge

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not what some stuck up style guides prescribe

hot cloak
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From my perspective schriftliche Sprache and gesprochene Sprache are kinda two different worlds

heavy wave
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they're not
As long as you write words like they're supposed to be written and not like you hear them, it's the same
You hear a phrase, you write it down, both would be correct

hot cloak
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So
"Ich räume auf mein Zimmer"
a correct sentence?

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Satzglieder are together

heavy wave
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Yea it's correct
It's not something someone would say daily, but its 100% correct

opal sequoia
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I don't think it's entirely correct to say that separable prefixes need to be at the end of the clause. I would say this type of sentence is a stylistic variation which alters where the verbs are located in a clause.

heavy wave
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normally you would say "ich räume mein Zimmer auf"

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You can also say "mein zimmer räume ich auf"

opal sequoia
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The ending of clauses in German have some flexibility for style preferences, even if they are not all that often written this way.

hot cloak
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Hat hier zufällig jemand Deutsch stduiert?

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studiert*

heavy wave
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Doesn't have to do with "written", cause some wouldnt also say those type of sentences in their daily life, cause they sound weird. But they're correct

opal sequoia
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@heavy wave What I meant is that in a standard/learning context, you will usually see it with the verbs all at the end. Because in those contexts you don't see as much stylistic writing as you would in everyday usage.

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But in real life, you will see variations for certain kinds of examples.

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Like often wie/als prepositional phrases are placed after the verbs, right?

heavy wave
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Normally yea

opal sequoia
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So I think it is inaccurate to call the "mit" an adverb. I also think it's inaccurate to call the sentence grammatically incorrect. Rather, it's just a case where a prepositional phrase is pushed outside the normal clause for stylistic reasons.

heavy wave
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Yup

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I didnt call it an adverb tho

opal sequoia
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Maria, I'm replying to the whole discussion, lol. My comments aren't specifically directed at you personally.

whole rapids
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@hot cloak KANNTE ICH SCHON (aber ich hatte die Bedeutung vergessen, ich habe es mit das Erbstück verwechselt

heavy wave
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I dont think about it much, I often dont even know what to call the type of a word in a sentence, like "is this an adverb or not" lol I dont even know
I'm proud enough to know Relativsätze.. Und Fälle, wie Dativ, Genitiv etc
shrug

radiant matrix
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whether you know it or not doesn’t affect its identity though ^^

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(sry had to go eat lunch)

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Ich räume auf mein Zimmer sounds wrong to me

whole rapids
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This discussion seems like it's a discussion of how things can go outside the Verbklammer or whatever it's called

radiant matrix
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whereas imo the mit in the sentences above allows for the same amount of freedom as an adverb, e.g. Mit komme ich ins Kino is a correct, albeit very weird sentence

hot cloak
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sounds is not the right way to think about it in our particular discussion

whole rapids
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Maybe Satzklammer

radiant matrix
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(because it creates contrast with mit which is not really something you can constrast)

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grammaticality judgements by native speakers are absolutely relevant to determining grammaticality though

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and that’s exactly what that “sounds” is

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it’s just code for “I perceive this sentence as ungrammatical”

hot cloak
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From my experience my native-speaker intuition doesn't have anything to do with grammar, at least that's how it is with Russian

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I just had to remember and accept a lot of things

radiant matrix
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then you are simply using the word “grammar“ differently from how it is used in linguistics

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and that is all

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also, it simply means that your native language is not standard russian

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it may be very similar to it, idk

hot cloak
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I'd say that's just how the language policy is in my country. Of course I am not a linguist at this point.

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Let's say German is very liberal grammar-wise in comparison

radiant matrix
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yea the thing is linguistics gives no flying fucks about language policy (except for sociolinguistics)

rich hatch
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ehh
Russian iirc is rather standartized, due to historical reasons? actually its an interesting question, but I believe it lacks the diversity of dialects, unless you count belorussian and ukrainian as dialects of russian
(you probably shouldn't)

like, there are dialects, but those are mostly variations on pronunciations and are more typical for more rural/isolated regional stuff

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nah, language gives a lot of fucks about policies, if policies are "all books and media use standartized russian"

radiant matrix
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linguistics

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not language

rich hatch
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fair nuff

hot cloak
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взымать or взимать?

radiant matrix
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in the context of linguistics, every speaker has an internal grammar (which may be rather different from whatever the standardized varitey is). these grammars are very systematic, but don’t all follow the same system

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“wrong” in the context of linguistics means “does not follow that specific internal grammar”, and in particular does not mean “does not follow the codified standards pushed by politicians”

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what is wrong to me may not be wrong to you

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even if we both claim to be speaking german

rich hatch
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🤔
I want to say first, Roman, but I am not 100% sure actually.

okay, on checkup I was wrong: it's взимать, because вз here is not a prefix.

hot cloak
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Yes

rich hatch
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otoh wikipedia lists взымать as old/archaic form of the same word

hot cloak
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Because the spelling of the word is completely contra-intuitive

rich hatch
hot cloak
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Because the word is a direct borrow from old church Slavonic

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Although we have взыскать etc

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And there are a lot of such words

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It would be fair to accept both spellings but nah

rich hatch
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взимать is exception from the rule which states that after prefixes ending in, uh, strong consonants, you must use ы

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взыскать is prefix вз + иск or something like this
взимать has root взим or so

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so uh

hot cloak
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Not really, technically it's still вз+иметь

rich hatch
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not even exception as much as not part of the rule cause, counterintuitively, its not prefix

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hrm

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https://ru.wiktionary.org/wiki/взимать
Корень: -взима-; глагольное окончание: -ть [Тихонов, 1996].
but
Этимология Образовано из вз- + иметь, далее от праслав. *jьmǫ : jęti, от кот. в числе прочего произошли: др.-русск., ст.-слав. имѣти, имамь, а также възѩти, възьмѫ.

lol

hot cloak
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Like I said it most likely has to do with Old Church Slavonic

rich hatch
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ye
joke is, wiktionary page on взымать lists it as having prefix вз  and root ым

hot cloak
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Yes because that's another point of view

rich hatch
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so basically, both are correct, but over time взым started being thought of as one big root, leading to rule about prefix and consonant not applying anymore

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thus transforming to взимать

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quite peculiar

hot cloak
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Which seemed to be quite popular 200 yrs ago

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@whole rapids Danke für das Wort

whole rapids
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@hot cloak verriegeln

turbid mason
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@whole rapids jmnd. anranzen [jmnd. beschimpfen/anmeckern]

whole rapids
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@turbid mason danke dir, ich ranze meine Freundin jeden Tag an mmlol

hot cloak
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@raw prawn @rancid agate It should be noted that German is still a very flexible language and we can say "unter sehr hohen Druck- und Temperaturbedingungen"

raw prawn
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works. but no one said german isn't flexible

rancid agate
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@hot cloak yes

nocturne frost
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:OOOOO

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you took my advice ❤ ?

hot cloak
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What advice? 👀

sudden panther
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Oh no. Did you get Suzu to study physics? :///

nocturne frost
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ohh I thought my GEO readings inspired you :(

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but thank you sweetheart peepoLove2

hot cloak
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A bit

nocturne frost
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:DDDD

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blobheart 💞

hot cloak
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I’m just reading süddeutsche cuz one of the teachers said they often use their articles in exams and saw this post and got reminded of you lol

nocturne frost
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💞

hot cloak
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Also, could you pls change arrems name to OUT?

nocturne frost
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I'm the same permissions level as you suzu lmfaoo

sudden panther
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No bc I'm not disgusting. ://

nocturne frost
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I cant do shit

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@sudden panther pleaseeee

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I'll cook with your ingredients

hot cloak
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I thought we can change his nickname

nocturne frost
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and we'll go klettern

sudden panther
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Wow will you make me water toast?

nocturne frost
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and I'll learn python someday

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yes

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all the water toast you want

sudden panther
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Ok. :sadcat:

nocturne frost
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I'll throw it straight into your mouth too so you dont have to move

hot cloak
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lol

nocturne frost
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best friend arrem

sudden panther
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hot

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Maybe put it in a blender first so I don't have to chew either. Though it is water toast so I don't imagine it'll require much chewing.

nocturne frost
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I'll do even better, I'll just chew it up and regurgitate it out like birds do loleyes

hot cloak
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@sudden panther we match woofwoof

sudden panther
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You're the IN to my OUT. woofwoof

hot cloak
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😍

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inout

pallid kelp
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HA. Gayyyyyy

solemn gull
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Regurgitate ❤ horkys so smart

shy bobcat
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👋

solemn gull
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Hallo Ari. Wie geht's

heavy wave
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yoo

shy bobcat
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gut und selbst

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hi Maria. 👋

weak star
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hallo

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guten Morgen

solemn gull
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Auch gut Ari.

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Hallo Emma

weak star
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ich heiße Rose, Ich sollte das ändern

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ok

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hallo

shy bobcat
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hallo Rose

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Warum hast du dich Emma genannt wenn du Rose bist lol

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😄

whole rapids
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@peak burrow quiescent

peak burrow
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oh I pinged you in the wrong place

whole rapids
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ist egal

peak burrow
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my offer:

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Windbeutel

whole rapids
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@peak burrow Dein Angebot gefällt mir sehr

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MEHR

peak burrow
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Rhababermarmelade

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@whole rapids

whole rapids
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@pallid kelp if you were writing it in a ticket I imagine this issue would almost never occur because it should have been already established that John was a carpenter

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Text not ticket

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Still thinking about work

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But yeah, separate sentences seems more natural

pallid kelp
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no just, imagine you see a broken car down the street, you recognise the car for being john the carpenter's, and you want to tell your friend around the corner about it

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but you both know a plethora of johns because it's a very common name

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and for some reason you have a disease that prevents you from splitting a fact into multiple sentences

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(this is turning into a d&d game for grammar nerds)

opal sequoia
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The phrasing would more often be used with "that X" instead of "the X" as well.

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Like "that dog of John's got out again" and stuff like that.

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Since naturally you'd normally just use John's car, John's dog, etc.

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But in this other case, you're emphasizing it differently thus a different structure occurs.

feral orchid
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@prime crag lets talk here

prime crag
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yeah there are tons of torrents that come with subs

feral orchid
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@wheat hedge

wheat hedge
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@feral orchid thanks

feral orchid
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can u name a few?

prime crag
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I can't give you a torrenting site here

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but if you need some series I guess I can find it for you

feral orchid
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no not torrenting sites thank you

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the names of series with the subs

prime crag
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like literally every series that has subs is available online, doesn't matter if american, german, russian, etc

feral orchid
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hmm. can i dm u asking for the website?

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as in the pirating one

prime crag
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sure

wheat hedge
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@prime crag could you dm me that too ?

arctic atlas
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@dim sentinel @hot cloak are both of these your accounts ?

stone snow
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its so epic

hot cloak
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@willow solstice Hello, may I ask how you reached C only with Duolingo?

willow solstice
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Oh, is C highest? I thought A was! That’s my mistake!