resources

[sand marten]

like we humans can easily learn that -chen is neuter but a well made model might be able to tell us if there's anything in particular that makes exceptions be exceptions, or if there's patterns that are more complex than just the ending

factoring in semantics as well, more less obvious patterns like "rivers are usually feminine" could surface

(we should probably move this to #science btw)

[misty valve]

I just made this small chart which some people may like. It condenses almost all of declension down to two charts to show one way in which you can reduce the amount of memorization work. There are other ways you can do it too - it's personal preference - but please try to make your own life easier by recognizing patterns as you learn.

[ornate pendant]

This also is another way of laying it out

[earnest crag]

Unfortunately the articles are completely random in german, there are no real rules for them.
It's pretty savage for people who want to learn german because you really have to memorise them all.

[carmine canopy]

articles are by no means random

[earnest crag]

That's what my teacher told me.

[carmine canopy]

are you talking about genders by any chance

[earnest crag]

I don't think so.
She said something like: "Die Artikel sind im Deutschen komplett willkürlich, es gibt keine Regeln für sie, das ist warum sie so schwierig sind für Menschen die Deutsch lernen müssen als nicht Muttersprachler."
And it's also like that in our books.

[carmine canopy]

as a fellow german teacher, no

please name one occurrence where the article for masc singular gentive is not des

[ornate pendant]

I don't think that's what relaxo means. More like it's random that it happens to be des in the first place

[carmine canopy]

well, he's either talking about the declension and direct relation of articles to its respective objects or genders

in regard to the latter I do agree. The assignment of these is mostly random and can only be deduced through sparse rules that may or may not apply in the given field

[earnest crag]

Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's what I mean.
I'm not too familiar with all the technical terms.

[carmine canopy]

fair enough. I just wanted to avoid any confusion for learners who might read this

@carmine canopy youre a german teacher? 👀

used to teach refugees before I moved

oh wow

oxi-sensei :o

<3

[radiant needle]

Hey, Leute

[amber rain]

im about to go away from wifi for a trip what resources would be good to download for beginners?

[sand marten]

lots of reading material and audio like podcasts, assuming you already have an offline dictionary of some kind. If you're a complete beginner though I'd just procure a textbook to read through, since it'll explain the grammar in addition to providing vocab

[carmine canopy]

@sand marten can you recommend a good podcast?

[sand marten]

hmm for beginners there's SlowGerman or Langsam gesprochene Nachrichten by DW

[ornate pendant]

^

[sand marten]

I usually listen to SWR2 Wissen but that's quite advanced I would say, there's also various people interviewed from wherever which means you'd need to understand many accents

[ornate pendant]

I listen to WDR 5

[sand marten]

including ones very different from hochdeutsch like heavy swiss accents or austrian

[ornate pendant]

yeah WDR 5 is mainly hochdeutsch

[sand marten]

or foreign researchers speaking german which of course depends on the person

[hasty sparrow]

Hallo. Ich wollte wissen ob jemand gute Empfehlungen für Zeitschriften hat.
Zum Beispiel Zeitschriften die eine Übersicht über den letzen Monat anbieten (politisch zuerst, dann allgemein).

Zur Zeit ich weiß "Stern" oder die Zeit. Beide sind aber wöchentlich (besser als täglich)

[sand marten]

ich lese tagesschau.de, manchmal dw.de und der spiegel

[hasty sparrow]

Ich lese der Tagesspiegel und ich schaue die Tagesschau. Das Problem ist dass beide, obwohl nicht schlecht, sind zu viel am Tag verbunden. Ich habe nicht so viel Zeit so ich wollte gerne eine Zusammenfassung.

[sand marten]

achso hmm

[hasty sparrow]

Ok dw.de hat themen. Nicht schlecht

Ich habe gedacht dass der war nur auf Englisch

[sand marten]

ich kenne nichts, das sowas macht. Dw hat aber ein "top thema mit vokabeln"

außerdem wenn du keine Zeit fürs Lesen hast, kannst du vielleicht die Nachrichten in Podcast-Form anhören

[hasty sparrow]

Und tagesschau.de hat Dossiers. Genau was ich brauche. Auch wenn sie nicht über den letzen Monat sind, passt

Danke 💙

Danke für die Info und die Podcasts. Ich habe kurz Zeit für lesen (ich lese gerne und ich brauche Zeit das deutsch zu verdauen). Nur ich kann nicht allein eine Übersicht machen über die letzen Wochen/ der letzte Monat

Deshalb ich wollte gerne jemand dass das für mich macht.

Dossiers von der Tagesschau.de und Themen von dw.de vielleicht Helfen. Ich werde sie probieren

[carmine canopy]

If i made a plugin for keyboards
that when you type in a noun
in the autocorrect bar it has the gender in brackets next to it
woudl that be counter productive?
so you type in like "Ich gehe an den Stra.."
and then in the autocorrect bar on your phone it has "Strand (m)". Would that be counter productive for learning?

[hushed silo]

probably

if it corrected you afterwards, perhaps not, or if it collected stats for things you got wrong and then created flashcards or sth

but just like that, I would assume so

it allows you not to worry about it

[carmine canopy]

over time you'd learn though

constantly being reminded

[sand marten]

that, or you develop an instinct to ignore useless information, as the brain normally does

people in asia are gradually forgetting how to handwrite ideograms because they only see and write them via keyboards

they can still recognise them and know what they need when they want to write something, but if they were to handwrite them they'd find it hard (unless they're still in school or need to handwrite often ofc).
The mind tends to delete everything unnecessary and noisy. I don't think one would pay attention to hints of the kind you propose in a context where you just want to write your thoughts out - they are already faster than the fingers, imagine if we were to also add some pause between each word to confirm whether the gender of a word was what we had thought

in summa: many spell checkers can check grammar too nowadays. One would be better off using one of those instead

[junior sierra]

If you plan to use spoken German than you don't have any autocorrect then

[analog glacier]

remember, VERBIX is your best friend.

[gusty copper]

Hi everyone. I have wrote a terminal program to auto query a lists of german nouns' genders and plurals. Here is the preview: https://youtu.be/UmCziwWRopY

and this one is for german verben: https://youtu.be/D0z7R4toOjE

this is the code: https://github.com/OshinoLichy/DicGerman

[hasty sparrow]

Hallo. Außer Reddit oder diese Chat, gibt es große Forums online auf deutsch? Mit interessanten Untersektionen?

[merry isle]

@gusty copper just a quick hint: your code probably won't work for anyone else, since you hardcoded paths from your machine 😉

[fickle tartan]

lol

hardcoding paths

[hasty sparrow]

Ich frage nochmal.
Außer Reddit oder diese Chat, gibt es große Forums online auf deutsch? Mit interessanten Untersektionen?

Wir ein kleines Reddit nur als Forum und auf Deutsch.

[gusty copper]

@merry isle oh I have noticed that. Will look for some way to get it universal platform this weekend. ( this is my first time writing a program and the never-stopped warnings really bother a student on mathematic)

[merry isle]

@gusty copper pathlib.Path(__file__).parent will give you the directory where your script is located 😉

[gusty copper]

@merry isle thank you! this is indeed what I need!😆

[carmine canopy]

@hasty sparrow nicht, dass ich wüsste

[hasty sparrow]

@carmine canopy Danke. Jemand anderes hat Idee?

[sullen horizon]

What are good apps/sites for verb conjunctions

[misty valve]

I usually use verbix and wiktionary. But there are a lot of options out there.

Assuming you mean verb conjugations.

[sullen horizon]

Yup

Like what forms for present perfect tense for example

[carmine canopy]

Duden

for real tho, Duden is your choice

[sand marten]

verbix, reverso conjugator, dict.leo.org

[merry isle]

One more vote for Wiktionary and Duden

[wise viper]

there's an app for German Wiktionary

offline

[sullen horizon]

Vielen Dank!

[strong jolt]

Do someone has resources for sprachbaustein in B2 Telc ?

[carmine canopy]

@slim rock

[slim rock]

danke

[carmine canopy]

bitte

[carmine canopy]

does anyone knows or has good anki cards for beginners?

[runic vale]

I've tried a couple of the sets on the website, but just ended up making my own by added the new things I've learnt each lesson

Helps re-enforce my lessons and keep it focused

[merry isle]

There's a "4000 words" deck at ankiweb, I started with that one, but adjusted it to my needs

[carmine canopy]

^

[wise viper]

we should make an Anki deck as collective task

[nova harbor]

Can someone help me? I took a quick little online placement test at the Goethe Institute website, and I received my score, but I can't seem to find how that score fits with the European Language Framework.

[misty valve]

@nova harbor What do you mean?

[nova harbor]

I took the test, but it didn't tell me my level.

Just the percentage of questions I got correct.

[misty valve]

At the bottom, does it give you a recommendation for a level you should study for?

If so, the level that the test recommends is approximately one above what level you are at now.

[nova harbor]

It listed links to B1 and B2 classes.

[misty valve]

Then likely you are A2 currently.

But remember that these kinds of tests don't necessarily test that accurately and you shouldn't rely on it or anything.

[nova harbor]

Natürlich, it was just for a bet.

[fierce crag]

Hat jemand hier ein Deutscheprüfung gemacht?

[fierce crag]

Alle Leute sind hier wahrscheinlich tot.

[carmine canopy]

Wieso sollte das der Fall sein

[fierce crag]

Weil niemand hier schreibt .

Und warum haben hier die meisten Leute japanischen Namen?

[carmine canopy]

Die japanischen Namen kommen noch von einem alten Witz. Hier schreibt wahrscheinlich niemand, weil es in Deutschland noch relativ früh am Morgen ist

[heavy horizon]

Naja 10:48 ist jetzt nicht so besonders früh.

Aber ja die meisten Leute sind halt erst später online

[carmine canopy]

Befindet sich aber noch aber in der zentralen Arbeitszeit

[heavy horizon]

Da hast du auch wieder recht

[hushed silo]

resp Schulzeit

[nova harbor]

"very niice"

[nimble surge]

Just saw this post - free movies streamed online via Goethe - https://www.goethe.de/ins/us/en/kul/mov/ies.html?wt_sc=wunderbarfilms

[plush kindle]

I'm not sure who has edit access to the resource list, but in "Exercises and practice material", the link for Hueber Großes Übungsbuch (A2 - C1) no longer works.

[carmine canopy]

I'll fix it later, thank you!

[carmine canopy]

anyone have any good resources to practice relative pronouns?

[plush kindle]

Not exactly what you may be looking for, but I've been reading German children's books, and they sometimes have relative pronouns. Although that is more passive learning, not active learning.

[misty valve]

I don't have a specific resource to recommend (aside from things already in #resources) but here's an idea that might be good practice: try rewriting any main clauses you see as relative clauses.

Especially writing the same clause as different relative clauses by changing which object/subject is the relative one.

[sand marten]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPHP8KBZGvk sehr gutes Video über Vokalenbildung

[unkempt vale]

For reading in other languages!
https://readlang.com/

[sly tendon]

https://youtu.be/5SjYyZmpDP0

[grim lantern]

dieses Video war sehr gut, vielen dank!

[open girder]

cool new thing from Duden: https://lp.mentor.duden.de/voranmeldung_ls_int/?utm_source=duden_de&utm_medium=leadgen_int&utm_campaign=red_touchpoint_lemma&utm_content=empfehlung_der_redaktion#lp-pom-text-230

[halcyon hull]

braucht man ein Konto?

[open girder]

man muss erst anmelden und dann kriegt man einen Link

[halcyon hull]

k

[wise viper]

what's it about?

[open girder]

automatische Textprüfung

[wise viper]

Kostenlos?

[open girder]

jap

beta tho

[merry isle]

ist das besser als Languagetool? ( http://languagetool.org/ )

[open girder]

ja wahrscheinlich, weil sie nur Deutsch betrifft und von Duden entwickelt wird

[merry isle]

Ich würde sie gerne vergleichen. Soweit ich mich erinnere, es gab schon früher eine Prüfungsapp von Duden, die war aber nicht so gut

[remote garden]

@merry isle soviel soweit

[merry isle]

😮 ich habe da immer "soviel" benutzt 😄 danke sehr!

[carmine canopy]

Hey guys. How do I even get started?

[misty valve]

Learn about grammatical cases, noun genders, pronouns, and present tense verb conjugation.

[carmine canopy]

Ok. Will start. Thanks for your suggestion.

[misty valve]

Np. And it's always useful to learn things like greetings and other common stuff.

[carmine canopy]

Makes sense.

[plush kindle]

@misty valve , I've been wondering: what is your Session Holder role?

[hushed silo]

it’s for people who (occasionally) hold sessions, like reading groups etc

[plush kindle]

Ah, gotcha.

[hushed silo]

gives some admin perms in voice channels

like muting people

[plush kindle]

That makes sense.

[zenith flicker]

https://readlang.com

[wise viper]

it's been posted

[zenith flicker]

didn't knew that

it was in #general not here

[severe trellis]

Anyone have any in depth resources regarding how the German federal government is organized/how it's run?

[fickle tartan]

so uh

theres the parliament

with some people in it

they do stuff

and then theres the other people

nobody cares about those

but theyre still important

because everyone is important

[naive violet]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Germany

[fickle tartan]

even the president who does nothing except live in a literal castle

[storm abyss]

http://www.deutschkurse-passau.de/JM/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=34&Itemid=165

Tolle Webseite für Grammatik

[sly tusk]

Dankeschön!!

[amber rain]

https://store.steampowered.com/app/716560/Trancelation/

Steam

Trancelation

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A great game for memorising words and phrases

[snow matrix]

Hi guys,
I'm entirely new to German. I am hoping to study almost everyday for about an hour doing a lesson each of Assimil and Pimsleur.
Is that a good mix of resources to familiarise myself with basics? Would Lingvist/Duolingo be good additions?
I have Anki and am making cards out of all new words and phrases I come across.

[plush kindle]

You can also refer to the discord's list of curated resources, from the header of this channel: https://goo.gl/M906K8

[snow matrix]

Wow that's amazing, thank you.

[vocal walrus]

I think Duolingo is the best of the "free language learning" apps, at least for German, though I'm biased because it's the only one I've used at length

[plush kindle]

Best, from a sample size of 1? 😉

[amber rain]

@plush kindle whats wrong with duolingo?

[plush kindle]

I don't like to claim that resources like Duolingo are good or bad; they can be useful as a supplement to other forms of learning. I was more just poking fun at calling out a best app, from a sample of one person, and a sample of 1 language learning system.

[amber rain]

i may or may not be only using duolingo at the current time (apart from flashcard systems) 😂 i know theres a recourse list but what recourses do you use to learn German?

[plush kindle]

I won't claim that my method is better or worse than what you're doing right now. I like to read books appropriate for my current level, make sure I know why something was written the way it was, and then couple it with passive listening to german radio, narrating the books I read, and forming sentences that describe what I'm doing or what I've done.

And then, of course, come back here when I hit something that doesn't make sense to me, or verify that I understand a concept correctly.

[amber rain]

ahhh okay i hope i dont come off rude or anything 😂 i just get lost with recourse lists and i never know where to start

thats probably why ive only been using duolingo

[plush kindle]

I have a personal philosophy that a single-source system will not work for me. But I don't have data to confirm that or not.

And I imagine that my strategy will change when I have a solid foundation on fundamentals. How I study, versus how the B and C students on here study, is probably very different.

[amber rain]

im very beginner like just under A if thats possible bahaha

[plush kindle]

Worst case, if you absolutely don't know where to start, pull out the Goethe vocab list for your target goal, and focus around the words and concepts that you need.

I consider myself around A level, just as a FYI. B/C/Natives may have better advice than me.

[amber rain]

ahhh alright any advice is great

[plush kindle]

This is purely anecdotal, but I have a co-worker learning French with Duolingo. While everybody is different, he didn't seem to have the competence/confidence to form a sentence. Granted I don't know French, but he couldn't respond to a surface level question in French.

[amber rain]

yes Duolingo isnt good on grammer but more for learning vocab and given you a starting place

[plush kindle]

So my advice would be to be confident in yourself when practicing, while being respectful and responsive to corrections.

[amber rain]

yes im always happy to be corrected no other way to succeed

[plush kindle]

Sometimes I just watch some of the conversations in learning and writing, to see if my ideas of certain things line up with the consensus in chat.

And if they don't, I'll ask a question or see if I can correct my previous assumptions.

[amber rain]

ahhh thats a good idea

[merry isle]

Duolingo is good for cramming some basic patterns into your head, in the stage when you're not advanced enough to coverse or read more complex materials. It's mediocre for words and largely bad at explaining the grammar.

It shouldn't be your only learning method, but may be pretty helpful in connection with a bunch of others

[wintry vine]

Würde jemand mir das Buch, das Handbuch literarischer Fachbegriffe heißt, empfehlen ?

hat jemand das vorher gehört ?

[supple veldt]

Is there any good way to get Dino lernt dutche the pfd? I can't find any "legel" copies anywhere

[wise viper]

go to your nearest German school and bring your piece

[near viper]

Hallo

[near viper]

Omg I wrote here

[lucid nexus]

https://www.baeren-blatt.de/start.php5

This is a childrens news paper in german

it has daily news and it's really good for new german learners to get a idea of how people speak on a daily basis

[worthy summit]

My favorite YouTube channel for German Lessons

https://www.youtube.com/user/Verbalaesthet/videos?sort=da&view=0&flow=grid

[supple veldt]

What a good app for the phone for German around a2 level?

[misty garden]

switch menu language 😃

[sharp yacht]

anki?

[pure bolt]

I just use a flashcard app for words I dont know

its come to a point in day-to-day life I just dont know the words to say 🤷

I'd really suggest after getting a hang on your grammatik to download one and add everything thats new or that you dont know

[fickle tartan]

what flashcard app do you recommend

[hushed silo]

If you can find a good deck (or enjoy making your own), anki is the way to go

it's by far the most customizable

[pure bolt]

I use brainscape but I've really only tried one other 🤷

[fleet cipher]

Anki's really a good app~ I'd recommend it as well.

[smoky pelican]

could i get any suggestions for a possible 1 to 1 german teacher via skype or something of the sort?

[urban valve]

does anyone know of free bilingual children's books? the bilingual books i've been able to find are above my reading level

[twin yacht]

maybe check on amazon?

I know you can get the harry potters in german @urban valve

[nimble surge]

I found this site before, but can't vouch for it - http://www.childrensbooksforever.com/childrenpages/German1.html

[wind urchin]

I've read some of those. I don't know what would be required for vouching. But I confirm A) They are children's books B) You can download it for free

Also varying level of difficulty. "Der großer Wettkampf" for example is a harder read than "Alle meine Farben"

[nimble surge]

I guess they also aren't bilingual like they were asking (having both English and German) on the same page, but hopefully they are easy enough for understanding and through pictures comprehension.

[stuck solar]

hallo Leute , hat jemand etwas onSET Beispiele oder Erfahrungen gemacht ?

[wind urchin]

@nimble surge LOL. I should've read up. I see. Yeah NOT bilingual.

[boreal socket]

nice books, quite light to read. also bonus points because the first one I opened had 'schüttelte den Kopf' 😄

[snow matrix]

Is it a bad idea to use children's books as a resource?

[hasty sparrow]

Ich empfehle auch Wiktionary und den wrapper "Deutsch Wörterbuch" auf Android

Das hier

@snow matrix If it works, why should it be bad?

[snow matrix]

A better way to phrase my question would be are they a good resource :)

[sand marten]

at the beginning, yes they are. The vocabulary is very light which means you probably won't have to look up every single word, meaning you can focus on examining the grammar and figuring out how everything is used and why certain things look the way they do as a whole

[snow matrix]

Great. Thanks.

Can I make flashcards as I go through Assimil?

[sand marten]

are you asking for permission? 😅

[snow matrix]

Yes haha.

[sand marten]

sure, do it. Just eb sure to regularly weed out cards for stuff you find useless

in my opinion, spaced repetition systems become less useful once you reach a level when you can just peruse the literature in the target language

I would outright eliminate the cards for words i'm sure i memorised

[grim fox]

Well, I can't argue with that wrt common words, but I'd say spaced repetition is still great for building up vocab and, so to say, 'feeling' for the basics?
well, at least it works for me so far.

And it's easier to use while commuting, compared to, say, textbooks. Exercises there are kinda hard to do on the move.

[proper cosmos]

hey can someone recommend me a resource for learning grammar

i use duolingo but its not enough

[sand marten]

there's a resource list linked at the top

[proper cosmos]

oh under pinned messages?

[sand marten]

about SRS, I have tried it in the past and it was mostly a waste of time, but this is certainly subjective. In general though, I'd use it to "prepare" terms that I don't yet know, then gradually remove those and replace them with new ones. Sort of a lengthy rite of passage for vocab as I expand it

yes

[proper cosmos]

ill look into it, thanks, also do you have any recommendations from there?

[misty valve]

Basic German might be a good start for you.

[proper cosmos]

i know nothing more than basic conjugation

[misty valve]

That's fine.

Soon I'll be posting some lists of topics to learn.

[proper cosmos]

of resources that cover those topics?

[misty valve]

No.

Well, yeah, I might do that soon too.

[snow matrix]

I opened up German for Reading randomly and went to a random page. Then saw this:

[proper cosmos]

by shift he means shift the german border to eastern poland

[wise viper]

lol

German for reading

right? it's a nice book. the French version has stuff about the Russian Revolution

Lénine n shit

[fierce crag]

guys! I love this app, because I use everyday to learn the most important German verbs

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.simopr.germanverbs

[carmine canopy]

skribbl.io (Game u can play in multiple languages including german basically guess the drawings)

[carmine canopy]

Per italofoni. Vecchio ma buono (alcune cose potrebbero non funzionare)

[fickle tartan]

italofon? is that a telephone for italians?

[sand marten]

it just means "people who speak Italian"

[daring grotto]

Simple but good stories to read.... Any recommendations ?

[molten jacinth]

Not really stories, but I can recommend to read Deutsch Perfekt magazine? There are articles for all levels there. I like it so far. You can have a free copy for couple of hours from e-library of the Goethe Institute.

[daring grotto]

Okay great, thank you so much

[coarse plover]

@daring grotto Or, download the pirated edition here http://zeitschriftpdf.com/?s=Perfekt , the site also contains many other German magazines like National Geographic Germany ... etc

<@&305455824174710787> We can add QTranslate https://quest-app.appspot.com/download to the software list, it has a hotkey to show google/michrosoft/bablyon translation, and another hotkey to look the word up in reverso/bablyion dictionaries, it's very useful if you're reading pdf and too lazy to alt-tab to your favorite web dictionary and just wanna know the basic meaning

[carmine canopy]

thanks for your contribution. You usually dont have to ping us for things like these because we check this channel regularly

[coarse plover]

Ah

[daring grotto]

Thank you so much man , this is fantastic

[vale viper]

Bois

What are some good general resources for German practice

Apps, PDFs, videos, sites any of that shit

[coarse plover]

How tolerant is the server with pirated materials ?

Like PDFs and audios for books of big publishers like Heuber and so

[pure bolt]

lol we have them

[vale viper]

Sick

[carmine canopy]

Butter

See the hadline

of this channel

there's a link

"Curated list"

if you're on laptop

browser

[coarse plover]

Here is a big little gift then https://mega.nz/#F!aIcB1b5A!1VIk6jy1OnDdaGXV47DDMA
Has a lot of exam preparation books for all levels, stuff like Mit Erflog zum Goethe-Zertifikat, Fit fürs Goethe-Zertifikat, Prüfungstraining Geother Zertifikat, also telc .. etc
I don't own the files though, some learning German facebook group made this.

[vale viper]

Aw hell ya lads

Im on mobile rn but when I get back home ima put some shit on my pc

[coarse plover]

Just make sure it won't affect you legally, I don't know how pirating work outside outside 3rd world, that's why I was asking cuz it might be a threat for the admins or people who download if they're living in Germany or so could get sued

[vale viper]

Pirating technically yes is illegal but really you're not gonna get caught unless you start selling off pirated content

So many people do it they can't really crack down on it

So you're good

[coarse plover]

nice

[carmine canopy]

in general i think people care more about the profits so if you're just dling for private use it's like w/e

and not like selling it on the side or w/e if that makes any sense

[vale viper]

A lot of people use VPNs to make it harder to trace it back to them and some ISPs might send you warning letters but I've always been fine just pirating shit with no VPN or anything

Yeah exactly what @carmine canopy is saying

[coarse plover]

😂 😂

Good to know

[vale viper]

Bottom line is pirating will be fine if you don't try to profit from it

And as long as it's not some shit like child porn or smth

[carmine canopy]

well then that's not rly pirating

[vale viper]

true i suppose

ay tf is this german spotify playlist

xd

shit actually sorta slaps

i can get like 2 words in this Stimme song

including Stimme

xd

[carmine canopy]

@coarse plover holy shit man, you’re the MVP thanks so much! :o

[coarse plover]

Well these were only Test materials, there are other studying materials, but their links are separate, when I have time I'll compile a short list of the big titles and share it

[pure bolt]

theyre super useful lmao

[vagrant imp]

Sup peeps how is it going ??

[misty valve]

Hi djo. There's a list of resources pinned and in the topic of the channel.

ex resources

[dusk dome]

https://goo.gl/M906K8

[misty valve]

I think that's what you're looking for anyway. 😄

[wicked karma]

any good stuff in spanish you guys can personally recommend?

[sly tusk]

@wicked karma Would you like music? Los Cafres, Los Auténticos Decadentes, Arbol, Sodastereo, Luis Alberto Spinetta

Hope you like it

[wicked karma]

thanks ! ill check them out. but really i was looking for german learning material in spanish for my partner

Ive just found the stuff on DW and thats it

[sly tusk]

Oh @wicked karma I've misunderstood you then, sorry

[grand maple]

anyone on here uses https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/German/Level_I/Introduction ?

[spring kettle]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmlBCw7BFIo&list=PLsksxTH4pR3I6-7OYZ0GigNnc7KI5S0OK

Podcast playlist

[carmine canopy]

@spring kettle wo?

[spring kettle]

@carmine canopy Almost Daily - Das unzensierte Talkformat am goldenen Tisch: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsksxTH4pR3I6-7OYZ0GigNnc7KI5S0OK

[carmine canopy]

Ach so! Danke schön

[dusky cedar]

does anyone have any german exercise books on grammar to recommend

[sand marten]

Starten wir! is decent

[carmine canopy]

@sand marten what level is Starten Wir for? I'm around A2 atm

[sand marten]

iirc there's various levels. I think the one I have back home is supposed to bring you from 0 to A2

[carmine canopy]

ok cool

also does anyone ever listen to audio
that comes with transcripts?

[sand marten]

sure, why not

dw has a lot of material like that and slowgerman too

[carmine canopy]

oh right

didn't know slow german has scrips

[rich moss]

hello, everyone. i wanna start learning german in a systematic way. do you guys have any recommendation on where do i start?

i mean, i know there's resource. but there are a bunch of it

which book should i start with?

any recommendation will be much appreciated

thankss!!

[sand marten]

you could start with one which covers all, that is 1. explains how to read and pronounce correctly, 2. teaches you the grammar, 3. teaches you the vocab you need to get going, 4. has exercises for reading, speaking, listening and writing

i don't have any specific recommendation as I haven't personally tried many but that's generally what you want to look for. Textbooks give you a defined path to follow from start to end and that's the best way to begin; afterwards you will likely end up knowing what you still need to learn

[rich moss]

so any "beginner" textbooks will work right?

[sand marten]

as long as it's good. As for the correctness of the information you obviously have no way of knowing as a beginner, but you can judge based on whether a book follows the points i mentioned above and on how well things are explained ( = how easily you understand them)

if for some reason that doesn't work for you, the way I start when learning a language is learning orthography and phonology, then I move on to grammar and vocab going from the essentials to ever more complex stuff. But that's not very systematic per se as it leaves a lot of work for you personally to do and plan

[rich moss]

well thank you so much for that. have a good day Serki!

hopefully i'll be fluent in a year or two LOL.

[misty valve]

Other than a text book, feel free to also just get a list of topics for the level you're at (A1 for example) and research each topic individually.

Makes notes and so on.

It's not too difficult or time consuming to do it that way.

[quiet rain]

ok what

@vale viper ]

what are you doing here

[carmine canopy]

https://www.mezzoguild.com/19-dont-dos-learning-a-language/
^ Very good tips for beginners!!

[hushed silo]

Most of them are common sense, but I disagree on the grammar one. Too many students go too far the other way, avoiding to study grammar at all costs. But not only is it the only thing that can actually explain you why some things are what they are (and thus help your memory - it's easier to learn things that make sense), studying some grammar also stops you from learning wrong patterns, clears up confusion, and allows you to actually discuss your mistakes and thus learn from them.

No, studying grammar will not make you fluent on its own. And it may not even be necessaey to become fluent. But ignoring it is ignorance, and likely slows you down

[wicked karma]

this is the pdf i've been referring to for about 6 months. it explains it a little differently than most textbooks i think, maybe it works better for you? there are also accompanying youtube videos

[boreal socket]

ever wanted to know the details between random words really in depth? I've compiled of all @carmine canopy 's docs ^

[carmine canopy]

lol

[echo thunder]

https://mega.nz/#F!aIcB1b5A!1VIk6jy1OnDdaGXV47DDMA

[sudden fern]

getrole Level A

getrole Level A

Sorry, new to this!

[vale viper]

im about to check out this german workbook

schenke-seago

[viscid quartz]

I think it would be of great value if you added the outstanding online library of the Goethe Institut to the resources list: http://www2.onleihe.de/goethe-institut/frontend/mediaList,0-34994772-0-101-0-0-0-0-0-0-0.html

[grand maple]

https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B9OdgVVFmbMPQy1sUV9BZXZUSzA/edit

this is a famous practice book and randomly found it today.

[grand maple]

libgen.io for finding german books.

[carmine canopy]

is there a website that provide a lot of short stories ?

[boreal socket]

https://discordapp.com/channels/221708975698083841/240524318512119810/491053330362269706 just an example

[carmine canopy]

thanks

[wicked karma]

http://germanforenglishspeakers.com/prepositions/contractions/

[wicked karma]

https://arts.unimelb.edu.au/rumaccc/resources/german-readers

[carmine canopy]

http://highered.mheducation.com/sites/0073386332/student_view0/textbook_audio.html

please add this to the listening section in the resource list^

[carmine canopy]

Hello. Do you know a website from which you can get german manuals like Beste Freunde and pingpong neu in pdf and audio format?

[wise viper]

libgen maybe

[paper jay]

@wise viper libgen ist soweit ich weiß offline.

[wise viper]

was

es funktioniert, mindestens für mich

ich benutze es nämlich täglich😂

[grand maple]

https://en.pons.com/translate

[wicked karma]

?underrated http://germanforenglishspeakers.com

[carmine canopy]

Is there a good app to practice on that's not Duolingo?

[carmine canopy]

There’s LingoDeer but idk how good or bad it is. Apart from that, Discord

[wise viper]

lingo deer has DE?

last time I checked you could only do Chinese and Japanese

[carmine canopy]

yeah, check again

[carmine canopy]

Hallo

so I'm an absolute beginner

I've been trying to find a way to learn German via self learning resources

especially at first that is

and the sheer amount of resources has been a little scary

is there something comprehensive for someone starting off?

[sand marten]

apart from textbooks, you'll have to piece together resources yourself

ex beginners

oh. doesn't work here

go in #questions or #botchannel and do >ex beginner (I mispelled it 😅 )

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

thank you

[wicked karma]

https://www.authorea.com/340803/wgPsvsGbxg--YcBrbUtBBA

my daily log of Deutschlernen.. if anyone wants to spy or mark-up (the site is good with commenting) i think it could be of use to some

[wicked karma]

for beginners there are example sentences that i have mostly vetted, for intermediates you can compare or test your error spotting perfection, for spanish speakers i have put translations

[grand maple]

i finished DeutshWelles Nicos Weg A1 course a few days back. if anynr plans to do that to start off or is doing it right now AMA about its quality and effectiveness on a beginner.

[grand maple]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.verbformen.verben.app

App only focused on verbs, shows all their conjugations. Really neat

[sand marten]

I found this website where people volunteer to make audiobooks in the public domain; there's a few in german:
https://librivox.org/search?primary_key=0&search_category=language&search_page=1&search_form=get_results

[grand maple]

https://ankiweb.net/shared/info/463280893

A guy hired 4 native Germans and recorded ~4000 words with sample sentences

[sand marten]

seems like an awfully inefficient project when things like forvo (which has higher variety), tatoeba (which has example sentences) and dictionaries with audio (which have formal correctness) exist

but I don't want to detract from it because of that. I'm just thinking from the perspective of the user

[kindred island]

https://forum.language-learners.org/viewtopic.php?t=2910 A couple German resources on the site.

[vivid moss]

Hi all,

I've just started learning German by myself.

Is dw the best to get started?

[pure bolt]

Dw is amazing for passing standardized tests for German i.e. goethe

For everything else, I'd say just as good as everything else

[coarse plover]

New year's gift for B2 cert exam takers
Staring with the year 2019 a new form of B2 exam will replace the current one, which means exam prep books will be outdated, here we have a newly released book: Werkstatt B2 by Praxis publishing house

Main book (Lehrbuch + Arbeitsbuch + Lehrerausgabe) (photos were taken by phone and text is not OCR)
http://www.mediafire.com/file/hbdhdhl16ct98cv/WsB2.rar

Audios:
http://www.praxis-daf.com/praxis-downloads/Praxis Spezialverlag DaF - Werkstatt B2.zip?fbclid=IwAR2cVX-jN-qvXHXqoAFOyKYo7A3XFxuF_7kl8Y-FlMe24dFoUueSQcBo7oQ

Transkriptionen:
https://praxis.gr/images/downloads/Werkstatt_B2_Transkriptionen.pdf?fbclid=IwAR1mMPKgbxr4j3e_SZk20gxcFfbfX67oTIiyRvL_dVsvD0rZpnNaZO4mupE

Wortliste:
https://praxis.gr/images/downloads/Werkstatt_B2_Wortliste.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3YzjgsbrMx_ktXZXrZvdgeU6ZZdjNbBUmm_PksJ-pRIpQODNBfdH64YHA

Musterarbeiten Schreiben & Sprechen:
https://praxis.gr/images/downloads/Werkstatt_B2_Musterarbeiten.pdf?fbclid=IwAR3uP2J6o5KAqmmpLBh8_v9HzOQyyprLhJNkF6Y1DZgB_XyZ6QHpXJyn8hg

Viel Spaß

[full geyser]

I recommend bilingual books -- my school recommends getting the language package for $9 for required reading texts www.glassbow.com/collection

[grand maple]

@pure bolt which Deutsche welle course would you recommend the most?,

[pure bolt]

Uhhh

Depends entirely on you my man

[grand maple]

Which one did you use?

Currently I am using Nicos weg

Gives a better impression/idea to hear from other people who use deutschwelle that's y I asked

@pure bolt

[pure bolt]

I don't use it as much as my teacher does to test me because daf/Goethe does the same with learning

[grand maple]

Ah danke

[grand maple]

https://german.yabla.com/

excellent resource for german learners, not free though they need 10 dollars.😫

[sage bane]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6khA8eZaD4

Youtube video series.

[clever holly]

ihr könnt "WORDBIT" auf Android versuchen, es ist auch gut....

[sage bane]

Ist da ein App auf IOS?

[grand maple]

@clever holly omg this app is surprisingly amazing..... Conjugations examples sentences and loads of features.... Thankxx

[clever holly]

you are welcome @grand maple

[clever holly]

@sage bane, it is unfortunately not available on IOS as far as i know.... but they can release any moment, better follow them ...

[sage bane]

Darn it

[coarse plover]

@sage bane MAN YOU"RE AWESOME, Extra auf detusch is freakin hilarious, I am having so much fun compared to some other series thnx Tomm ❤

[sage bane]

I love it, Khalid.

[sand marten]

arguably not a "resource" but I found most of what is said here reflects what I have found most effective during my learning experience(s), and it's nice to have it all in one uninterrupted discourse:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0yGdNEWdn0
I don't like the sort of clickbaity title/premise, how absolute it is and how the speaker seems to be angry at the listeners, but apart from that there's a lot to pick up here.

[sage bane]

One of the few good Ted talks about language learning

[sand marten]

yeah i don't watch many of those in general

[carmine canopy]

Is fluentu any good?

Might try it but not sure

[carmine canopy]

You can try the free trial

[steep mist]

@sage bane your vid reminded me a lot of F.R.I.E.N.D.S

thanks for the laughs and share

[jade creek]

A Brief Guide to Memorizing German Noun and Adjective Declension by Basementality
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jWl5-kkqF3FQLDzrz8XLBJj7hvPFQK7MT5SYEDGK65E/edit

https://easy-deutsch.de/en/articles/defnite-and-indefinite-article/

[sage bane]

Is Fluent Forever a good book?

[gusty dust]

I'm wondering, is there an app that you can download where you open your camera and point it at an object and it tells you in German what the object is?

Like when youre a child learning how to talk your parent would point to something and say what ita called...is that a thing to learn another language?

[wicked karma]

https://yourdailygerman.com/ The Epic German Advent Calendar 2018 goin on right now

[sage bane]

That would be a cool app

[grand maple]

cool fact: Deep L translator is made by a german company

[vital magnet]

@gusty dust If you have an android phone, you could try setting your phone language to german and using Google Lens

[gusty dust]

Oh I do! Thank you

[grand maple]

@gusty dust tell us how it goes with the google lens thing.

[gusty dust]

I will 😊

[steep mist]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.learninglabs.flashsticks
@gusty dust

It's what you are asking for but for further use you have to pay a low fee

[gusty dust]

Thanks. You guys are awesome

[wild sinew]

np

no u

[gusty dust]

This app looks like its going to be pretty good. Thanks

[clever holly]

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCMIf10yPu7dGtq0A0uz5Qog

[gusty dust]

The only issue with deepl compared to Google Translate is there is no option to hear the word being said

[sand marten]

you can use forvo for that

which is generally better since it's real people speaking, and you can compare how different natives say a word

[gusty dust]

So, use deepl for translation and forvo to heat it? I just don't know what forvo is

[sand marten]

just go to forvo.com and have a look :P

native speakers record themselves reading words in various languages

[gusty dust]

Oh nice

[sand marten]

but in general I would advise against translating, be it deepl or whatever else.

[gusty dust]

What do you mean? If I see a word I don't recoginze, why wouldn't I translate it to know what it means

[sand marten]

because you should rather look it up in a dictionary. Raw translation ignores the very important fact that languages don't map 1:1 with each other. There are words that are translated in several different ways from a to b or be unambiguous in a but have several omonyms in b. Translating flattens all this and gives you one word for one word, and you'll have no idea on whether that's really what you're looking for

[gusty dust]

Oh I see. Okay thanks for the tip

[misty valve]

You can also just listen to pronunciation on dict.cc if you want. I like that one because I usually have dict.cc open anyway.

It solves your problem of needing two websites open too, lol.

[gusty dust]

👍

[sand marten]

sometimes there aren't enough good samples though unfortunately. It's good to know alternatives

(for example: alternative to dict.cc itself is leo dict)

[gusty dust]

I have a few resources saved to compare

[carmine canopy]

Idk if this is the right place to ask but anyone know of any german podcasts apart from trhe Coffee Break ones? I'm currently at a B1.1 level btw

[covert basin]

Imo, no other podcast was nearly as good as Cofee Break german. Have you thought about listenting to story books and stuff instead for your audio learning ?

[carmine canopy]

huh I haven't

That's a good idea

thanks 😄

[grand maple]

From where can one obtain said audios of story books

[wise viper]

DazPod

Slowgerman

those are completely in german

but for beginners

[wild sinew]

There was one on Spotify where they talked about different topics each week

Cant remember what it was called tho

[wild sinew]

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/78lbpz/featured_german_podcasts_on_spotify/?utm_source=reddit-android

Peeps recommended some in the comments as well

[clever holly]

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/beginners/c-36519789

[carmine canopy]

Thanks for all the links/recommendations guys!

[carmine canopy]

Is Duolingo good?

nope

What would be better?

[grand maple]

i would suggest this course https://learngerman.dw.com/en/beginners/c-36519789

they also have an A0 course for letters and numbers.

and use a grammer book too. i dont use one that much tho, only just to make sure everthing was covered in the course. if i feel weak in anything only then i use the grammer book.

https://www.schubert-verlag.de/abc-grammatik.php

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

Thank you

[rare osprey]

Haven't seen it on the list yet, so I'm just leaving it here:
https://www.lingoda.com/en/german/learning-material/cefr/A1.1
Learning material for German, beginning with A1. You can change your level at the top of the page.

[radiant patrol]

Hi does anyone know if there are German cartoon with English subs like teen titans ect

[wild sinew]

Might not be quite what you're looking for but Netflix originals usually have dubs and subs in a bunch of languages

Idk about cartoons on Netflix but I watched a few shows in German dub English sub

I had to set my Netflix account language to German to get to the German options tho

[radiant patrol]

Thank you ill check it out, how much german can you speak. I've really only started so don't know if it worth watching like shows, kinda wanted to watch cartoons as basic German.

[wild sinew]

Ye I getcha

My Germans not the best and speaking it is a whole diff practice from watching shows

But watching shows helps the German to flow easier

[radiant patrol]

I was thinking about playing german pokemon on a german website then getting the same episode on an english site where they have english subs.

[wild sinew]

I find

[radiant patrol]

Ah alright sounds good like I did a bit of german 6 months ago on skillshare but I have switched to babble

[wild sinew]

Ye I think Netflix has a kids option as well if that's more what you're looking for lel

[radiant patrol]

Oh yeah tbh forgot netflix had a whole kid section lol

[half arrow]

I turned my phone and computer into german and now everything i see is in german

So everything i dont understand i search it and learn

[radiant patrol]

That sounds pretty good, do you learn german daily or how do you go about it?

[half arrow]

I take some lessons sometimes and most of the time learn my own searching how to say different things/ watching grammar videos and normal videos in german

Till i start going to a serious german academy next year, i‘ll practice like that

[radiant patrol]

Cool, I'm trying to surround myself with like german music and like german csgo videos

[half arrow]

Yeah that works

You get used to the language

[radiant patrol]

Yeah I watched a video on a guy who learned like a language in a month, he surrounded himself in everything from music to stickers on his fridge saying what it is in german.

[half arrow]

Well i can tell thats impossible (at least for me)

[radiant patrol]

I don't plan on learning it in a month as I wouldn't say I'm that smart or wanna put that much time into it

[half arrow]

If you have more stuff and studies going around that will not be possible

[radiant patrol]

Like im trying to do 45min to and hour each day

[half arrow]

If you want to learn german in month thats probably the only thing youre gonna do apart from eating and sleeping lol

In a month*

[radiant patrol]

Yeah literally, tbh I could as I don't have much to do rn whilst im looking for a job but its a lot to do.

Also us brits are not known for knowing more than one language, we expect everyone to know english

[half arrow]

Yeah

Practicing 45min a day everyday should be enough to get a good level in 1 year

[radiant patrol]

Yeah I'm thinking like 45 mins a day of like learning and then when im chilling or in bed put some german music on or tv show

[half arrow]

Thats really good

If youre really interested in german its also gonna be easier and faster than you expect

[radiant patrol]

Atm I'm trying to get in a good routine as normally I play games all night sleep through the morning, but I want to wake up early get my german done and other stuff and have thw whole day ahead of me

[half arrow]

I learnt english like that in 2 years

[radiant patrol]

Nice, where are you from if you dont mind me asking?

[half arrow]

And with german im learning more in 1 month that i did woth english in 3 lol

Spain

People here dont usually like learning

Tbh

[radiant patrol]

Nice, Im actually quarter spanish

[half arrow]

Oh cool

[radiant patrol]

I use to goto Alicante every year

[half arrow]

Yeah nice place

[radiant patrol]

Yeah really nice, haven't been in like 10 years though use to be like a family holiday thing but then I got kinda too old for it.

[misty valve]

Sorry to interrupt but it's best to have non-resource-related conversations in other channels so as to keep this channel on-topic.

[radiant patrol]

Oh really sorry forgot all about it my bad

[half arrow]

Sure thing sir

Lol

[radiant patrol]

goto general chat?

[half arrow]

Ye

[misty valve]

No problem. Thanks. ❤

[radiant patrol]

❤

[carmine canopy]

guys can you recommend me good sports newspapers?

in german ofc

[carmine canopy]

what sports are you into

football mainly

http://www.kicker.de/

danke schon 😃

gern

[lofty oasis]

Hello, um, I'm currently trying to get into teaching myself German (with a little help from a German friend) and I was wondering where a good place to get started is? Sorry if this isn't the right channel

[wise viper]

there are lots of resources

for beginners

I personally like assimil

[misty valve]

@lofty oasis You can type >ex beginner in #botchannel to get a beginner guide to starting German.

[carmine canopy]

vocab

Does anyone know of any Goethe A2 Vocab lists on memrise?

havent been able to find any

or alternative apps would be fine

as long as there is a mobile app

cheers

[coarse siren]

Hello, anyone here who has done the LINGODA German marathon, or is thinking about doing it?

[solemn swallow]

Dude actually I was thinking about doing the lingoda marathon too

[carmine canopy]

What do you guys think? It's like 200 bucks, and I'm not sure that I can make it through...

[solemn swallow]

Yeah same here

I guess no one has an answer though

[coarse plover]

Maybe you guys will find better reviews at reddit or quora, best of luck

[lunar lantern]

@coarse siren I'm thinking about doing it too, but it sounds kinda risky... you miss a lesson and BAM no refund :(

[coarse siren]

well but thats what I call a motivation though

bigger concern for me is if its worth the effort

if the lessons are good enough

i dont think its that much difficult to at least to do the half marathon if youre really commited

i think you definitely gonna attend it all if thats much money is on the line

[lunar lantern]

For me it's kinda hard because I don't have a very regular schedule, I wish you could do like

2 lessons one day and none the next, for exemple

And yeah also how good are the lessons

[coarse siren]

i think that would make it harder for you to actually stick to it

[lunar lantern]

but I've heard generally good things about Lingoda

[coarse siren]

i mean, its not for a casual learner i guess

[lunar lantern]

Well for me it would make it easier but I see what you mean

[coarse siren]

but if you really want to improve in a short period, thats the kind of challenge you should do, but im concerned about the quality7

[lunar lantern]

building a routine is definately helpful

[coarse siren]

yes

for me its concerning that I'm in college and I still have a hard exam in early february, so i dotn know if i can make it

but im definitely considering it

[lunar lantern]

yeah I'm still considering too

[coarse siren]

lets do it 😄

[lunar lantern]

haha

My worry is that I know I'll have some busy days and some days traveling accross the atlantic

so unless I can do it at the airport it's gonna be really hard haha

[coarse siren]

i see

[lunar lantern]

but I'm still figuring out, it might be possible

[coarse siren]

but i heard you have a lor of flexibility in scheduling the lessons, so it might be possilble

[lunar lantern]

yeah

do you know how long in advance you have to schedule ?

[coarse siren]

no idea honestly

but i heard sooner you schedule the better for you

[lunar lantern]

I see

I think you can only cancel until 7 days before your lesson

I read that somewhere, maybe reddit

[coarse siren]

hmm, that doesnt seem so flexible at all 😄

[unkempt vale]

He pensado que quizá te guste "Learn German with Stories: Dino lernt Deutsch Collector's Edition - German Short Stories for Beginners: Explore European Cities and Boost Your Vocabulary (German Edition)", de André Klein.

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[candid wasp]

hola

[unkempt vale]

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.verbformen.verben.app

[unkempt vale]

He pensado que quizá te guste "The Swiss-German to English Dictionary / Wörterbuch Schweizerdeutsch-Deutsch-Englisch: 1.600 Words Swiss-German to English + English to Swiss-German - ... speak their Words easily (German Edition)", de Jörn Lacour.

Empieza a leerlo gratis: http://a.co/dKM4CrT

[echo tusk]

Hi. Does anyone knows some good structured online Deutsch course ?

[sacred jewel]

For what level? @echo tusk

[echo tusk]

@sacred jewel I need c1 but I'm on around a2 right now

[sacred jewel]

I did this one and I think it was good structured https://learngerman.dw.com/en/overview? @echo tusk

[candid wasp]

ok

[sly tusk]

ok

[cold cosmos]

ok

[coarse plover]

Gut*, Hochdeutsch bitte ...

[sand marten]

is that a grown up Aang?

[misty valve]

No, it's der Kopf.

[tardy ingot]

XD

[grand maple]

https://www.reddit.com/r/German/comments/a9ojow/just_discovered_a_couple_of_excellent_books_for/?utm_source=reddit-android

[wicked karma]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YvcKHkxoAQo primary (real life) material to study with

[cedar cairn]

Has anyone got any good recommendations for a vocabulary improvement app on Android?

[halcyon hull]

Memrise Top 5000 words is pretty good. @cedar cairn

[cedar cairn]

I'll give that a go thanks

[hushed silo]

I don’t like Memrise, it’s way too rigid in its format. I don’t know if there are any good premade decks for it, but I vastly prefer Anki over Memrise due to the massive degree of customizability

(it’s recommendable to set it all up on PC and then sync with your phone)

[halcyon hull]

I plan to try Anki when I return home.

Quick question, are there pre-made decks for Anki? @hushed silo

[hushed silo]

No official ones but you can share decks and so there's ones floating around on the internet and on their own little website

but I did just say that I don't know of any

[halcyon hull]

I also don't like the way Memrise tries to sell their product so badly.

[hushed silo]

you know what I think is still really missing in the resources list?

textbooks & other resources which can actually guide you through german from 0 to (some level)

like, there’s probably everything you need in the list

but if I was a beginner and just wanted a place to start, that list would be overwhelming

there should be a section at the top with something like “if you’re a beginner, check out these to start out”

[misty valve]

Can you give some examples of what you would put there?

[hushed silo]

well, as someone who’s not learned german as a foreign language, it’s hard to judge. but for example, I’m sure there’s textbooks that are meant to take you from 0 knowledge through the basics (e.g. Assimil, but also more traditional textbooks, or websites)

basically, a list of resources particularly suited for beginners

perhaps just go through the list and filter out things that are suitable to start out with and put them in a separate section in the beginning

wait hang on I have an example of what would be great to see

https://github.com/EngJpDiscordExchange/Awesome-Japanese/blob/master/readme.md there’s this list for Japanese

the resource list here could probably become sth like this with a bit of restructuring

a lot of the info is already here

[misty valve]

It looks pretty similar already. We could probably add a textbook section though. That would be useful, if anyone who has used textbooks wants to recommend some.

One thing to consider though is that Japanese does tend to have resources that are more... individually comprehensive. Such as guides/textbooks that take you through the whole language in a way that's very useful to self-learners.

In my experience, it's not quite the same with German. It's much better to use a huge variety of resources.

And nearly all the resources on the German resource list are for beginners, aside from the ones labelled as higher level.

[hushed silo]

the major differences in those guides are:

(my shift key doesn’t seem to be working properly dammit, no shift enter for me I guess until I restart my pc)

-there’s a beginner’s section, telling you where to start
-there’s information about what each resource is and pictograms showing e.g. what level they’re for
-and yes, there’s some textbooks and courses listed, which si the thing I think is missing most from the list

the grammar section in particular feels rather unstructured here, there’s a lot but you don’t know what to look at because it doesn’t say what it is beyond the title

[misty valve]

Okay, good to know.

[hushed silo]

so if you want proper constructive feedback of what I’d do:
-add a little intro section directed at absolute beginners providing some places to start
-if there’s any good comprehensive textbooks, put them in a separate section right after that
-indicate in some sense (e.g. subsections, emoji…) who resources are directed at
-give a bit more info about what each resource provides, e.g. “conjugation & declension tables”, “thorough explanation of basic grammar”, “spelling rules”…
-also sort the lists by… something. from what I can tell they’re more or less sorted by “date added”

[grave drift]

I have the Aspekte neu B1 textbook in pdf, can i add it to the list?

[misty valve]

Sure, link it.

[grave drift]

just a sec and i'll upload them to google drive

[coarse plover]

Another new 2019 B2 prep book for the B2 new format, Prüfungstraining B2 ( Goethe-Zertifikat B2 - Neubearbeitung.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/12-svMjtRZfUwEd0JA7cKmwXDa9V27EkS?ogsrc=32&fbclid=IwAR2gPQRkdMol7D5u_3yxl3X9-WhxtRUgMi9yKjLftp6aXHFkCusBsLHdBwg

[carmine canopy]

If anyone wants to chat about self-study courses for German let me know

I did a lot of research before I selected mine

I was at A0 when I started

[sour remnant]

@carmine canopy I'm down, but not today

If its on voice. I can do text.

[carmine canopy]

Hm?

I never used discord voice chat

I noticed some people discussed different German courses in this channel

So I wanted to offer my knowledge

[molten jacinth]

@coarse plover thank you. Very helpful.

[coarse plover]

Mein pleasure

[sacred jewel]

Hallo @misty valve frohes Neujahr Sicher grammar overviews from resource list aren't working, here are the working ones if you'd like to update it: https://www.hueber.de/sicher/lernen/grammatik

[pure bolt]

Thanks for letting us know

[sacred jewel]

no problemo

[amber rain]

@hushed silo your idea being worked on? with the beginner thingo

[hushed silo]

dunno, not by me at least. I don't really know good beginner's resources myself, but if they wanted my help I could certainly try to help out with the document structure or sth

[misty valve]

Yes and no. The mod team is working on a few things at the moment and the discussion of a potential revision of the resources list is on the to-do list.

But if anyone has recommendations for beginner stuff, feel free to share it regardless.

[grave drift]

the links for the ösd exaaminations are all page 404

[misty valve]

Thanks for letting us know! We'll check it out and see if we can fix it soon.

[karmic gulch]

Imo r/german sub's sidebar is a good place to start with. It has a good collection of online resources.

[pure bolt]

it got changed, thank you @grave drift

[grave drift]

👍 👍

[spiral breach]

The aussichten vocabulary lists don’t work @misty valve

Sorry for pinging you

[pure bolt]

I'll change it, thank you for letting us know ^^

[hexed plaza]

@spiral breach may be should retry at link https://www.klett-sprachen.de/download/3977/6762060_Aussichten_A1_2_GlossarDeutsch_EB.pdf it was not working for me either yesterday. But today I was able to see pdf

[spiral breach]

Yeah, it works. This looks awesome! Thanks a million! ❤️ @hexed plaza

[hexed plaza]

@spiral breach welcome

[spiral breach]

If you could find the ones for the other levels, that’d be amazing. Whenever possible for you. Please ping me with the links if you find them you find them. 😄

[hexed plaza]

Sure

[spiral breach]

Thank you so much! 🙏🏻

[spiral breach]

Are there Schritte vocabulary lists for levels higher than A1/A2, which is all that is shown on the list? I’d deeply appreciate it if you could find and add some to the list, I quite enjoy using them. 😄 @pure bolt

[pure bolt]

Ill see if I can find any at home dear ❤

[carmine canopy]

Goethe has vocab lists too

[spiral breach]

Alright thank you so much ❤️

[grand maple]

https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/de/A1_SD1_Wortliste_02.pdf
https://www.goethe.de/pro/relaunch/prf/en/Goethe-Zertifikat_A2_Wortliste.pdf

@spiral breach

[spiral breach]

Oooh thank you so much, those are amazing ❤️ @grand maple

[grand maple]

np

[coarse plover]

I'd rather recommend this, highly rated between my friends. It contains the most frequent 4000 words, the first 2000 make 80% of colloquial, and with the next 2000 added they all make up 90%.

Buch:
https://drive.google.com/uc?export=download&id=16vkaxgXPQYkEWcdbLPQI-24TfF69kDjP&fbclid=IwAR1ZvFQd7O0n5l8J1B5K7ipSZtq_xdE1aWIfjknCwu4QfyRcT50Ne3V6ogg

übungssbuch:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1CAKvF32xvGocEHXtwPfX5gIN56HoOx8V/view?usp=sharing&fbclid=IwAR2HEdgsZ-U2UozMl_mV__EbSZ0ri2RoYvQwf--Uj4xksitd97k5cbO94mc

[pseudo junco]

Does anyone know of any resources that just let me read a sentence or paragraph in English and translate it into German to have it graded?

[rigid sluice]

@pseudo junco language learning apps tend to do this (eg Duolingo). Or are you looking for something a little different / for longer text?

Re: textbooks and courses in the doc, the doc does already list the Deutsche Welle free online courses, but they’re buried under video materials. It might just be a matter of how the doc is organized.

Going through Nico’s Weg on DW, for example, is basically like taking an intro to German class as a self study thing. But newbies might not find it amidst all the other links even though it’s a great starting point to serve as a baseline for your learning

[pseudo junco]

Something longer/less memorization-based

I've used duolingo in the past and it was OK for familiarizing myself with the basics, but now I can read/listen to German pretty well

I just can't speak it or write it at all

[misty valve]

You can just write them and post them in #writing (for a paragraph or more) or #questions (for a sentence or two). Then it will be corrected and you can ask questions.

[grand maple]

@@pseudo junco search for "simple english conversion" / "simple writing passages english" on google and then translate them to german

https://www.newsinlevels.com

[pseudo junco]

Thanks

[grand maple]

https://basicenglishspeaking.com

i jus started using these

[pseudo junco]

also that Deutsche Welle thing seems good too

did some of that this morning

[grand maple]

and i get them checked here. 😃

[pseudo junco]

sounds good!

[grand maple]

oh whats the dw stuff?

can u dm me the link?

[quasi cypress]

@grand maple dw.de

[grand maple]

got it thanks.

[blazing sapphire]

could anyone tell me which of the grammars is most complete?

When it comes to documenting stuff at least, I don't care about exercises too much.

scratch that I liiked hammer's introduction so Imma go through that

[misty valve]

Hammer's is for sure the best in terms of detail, scope and ease of use (e.g. searching topics). But as a result it's very large and complex and you ought not read it in full.

Whereas most other grammar books are easy to read fully.

[quasi cypress]

Können Sie mir bitte empfehlen die Kurse und Lernmitteln für B2 außerdem DW? Danke im voraus

[grand maple]

@quasi cypress i found a B2 course on Deutsch.info

aber ich weiß es nicht, wie gut der Kurs ist.

[hushed silo]

@quasi cypress hör mal auf mit dem "Sie", das ist hier einfach fehl am Platz.
(an ressourcen kann ich dir leider nicht wirklich helfen, aber bei B2 solltest du eigentlich mit Bücher lesen und Filme schauen, und regelmässig Deutsch gebrauchen mehr Fortschritte machen, als mit Büchern)

[quasi cypress]

@hushed silo guck mal, das ist alte Nachricht. Also bevor wir gesprochen haben

[hushed silo]

...oh

hats bei mir als neue Nachricht angezeigt

sorry

hab natürlich nicht aufs Datum geschaut

[quasi cypress]

Kein Problem 😉

[past swift]

Menschen A1, A2, B1
https://mega.nz/#F!0jhE2ISA!N8qMQXDO43Lirk5QByK-4g

[hushed silo]

http://www.canoo.net really should be on the resources list, it’s the best site for morphology I’m aware of

has word inflections, explanations of various word formation stuff… all in all a lot of information just waiting to be found. I find myself linking to it quite often

wrong channel for questions, come to #questions

[dusky sage]

Hallo alle zusammen, ich brauche gilfe über die zeit formen. Ich kann nicht Perfekt, plusquamperfekt, präteritum nicht so gut trennen. Wie kann ich es rausfinden welche ich nutzen muss

[carmine canopy]

@dusky sage du solltest eher in #questions fragen

[halcyon hull]

wo kann ich Pferds Blog finden @open girder

[boreal socket]

Such einfach nach Nachrichten von pferd die 'Passive' und ein Link enthalten lol

https://germanlearningresources.blogspot.com/?m=1

[halcyon hull]

thank you vm

[grand maple]

i think everyone here should know about "https://yourdailygerman.com". his ability to explain subtle nuances is really. but unfortunately they r paid.

*is really gud

[cerulean coyote]

Anyone know any good apps on the phone for intermediate learners? Please tag me in an answer 😄

[hexed glacier]

ne leider alle apps find ich scheiße

[tacit shore]

is duolingo fine to use for grammar? Im lacking on my German a lot and my grade is showing that 😦

[pure bolt]

I wouldn't say so, reading from a book at your level and using Duolingo to the side will be of more help

As well as actually using the grammar in speaking or writing

[tacit shore]

Alright. I been learning german in high school for 4 years and i feel like i have learned nothing man :/

[pure bolt]

Yeah that happens often

You just need to expose yourself consistently

It falls into place in time

[grand maple]

it feels like everyone who studied languages in school went through the same experience and feeling of not being able to say or do anything. me included

[sly tusk]

I could learn English at my school

[woven plinth]

If anyone need it, it helped me a lot.

[pure bolt]

@sly tusk I'm guessing you also used English outside of lessons

[sly tusk]

YouTube and 9gag

Back when 9gag was somewhat decent

Now it just puts me off (9gag)

[sand marten]

(was it ever decent? 👀 )

[pure bolt]

It's probably why you learnt it :')

[sly tusk]

Maybe not @sand marten I was young ok? Lol

@pure bolt maybe, but my school also made a good base tho

[coarse plover]

WorkAudioBook

Great free app that breaks downs the sentences in an audio file, can repeat the same thing over and over till you skip to the next thing

Just try it and you'll know http://workaudiobook.com/

[toxic gale]

Does anyone know any good picture books or beginner books for me? (I finished A1)

Most books I've found are usually a bit over my level

[carmine canopy]

@toxic gale Small prince is good

it's a children book but it's good for learning

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_Kleine_Prinz_(2015)

[toxic gale]

@carmine canopy thanks

[grand maple]

i think its better if u dived into reading after a2 @toxic gale ...... at this ppoint u will be searcing for vocab every second word

[toxic gale]

Yeah I figured thanks @grand maple

[grand maple]

ik its an imperative tho

[quasi cypress]

https://www.german-grammar.de/ it's a free course and there are exercises, videos etc.

[sage bane]

https://conjuguemos.com

For conjugating verbs!

Pretty good for irregular verbs. Better for languages like the romance with more tenses

[grand maple]

@sage bane this site is a godsend.... thanks

[molten jacinth]

@sage bane Very useful to practice vocab. Thank you 🙇

[hushed silo]

have tested it, can vouch for it. Seems good

It seems to give you stuff you got wrong more commonly and all

[sage bane]

You’re welcome, guys!

[coarse plover]

But it only got games?

[coarse plover]

Check pinned msg @carmine canopy

[tiny skiff]

hallo ich suche eine web site oder ein app um meine Hörverstehen zu verbessern

könnt ihr etwas empfehlen?

[heavy horizon]

Youtube

[sly tusk]

Du kannst "Bojack Horseman" in Netflix auf Deutsch gucken

Oder eine verschiedene Serie...

[spiral breach]

löl

@tiny skiff I can definitely recommend any of the Deutsche Welle Podcasts, they’re great. If you’ve got an Apple device, just go onto your Podcasts app and search it up. If not, search it up on the web. I can also definitely recommend Slow German mit Annik Rubens and Coffee Break German. As far as sites go, YouTube is your best bet, offering absolute gems like Easy German. A great channel with awesome hosts who provide videos about interesting topics twice weekly! I love it. Anyway, if you’ve anymore questions, my lines are open. Good luck! 😄

[grand maple]

Some people also said watching "adventure time" is a gud way

In german obv

[soft wolf]

what would be an ideal textbook for someone completely new to german?

[sand marten]

check the resources list, there might be something for that

also do >faq beginners in #botchannel

[spiral breach]

what type of resource is this loll

[hushed silo]

the one you ping a <@&305455824174710787> about

I mean this is harmless but still ^^

[carmine canopy]

@torpid dome No advertising please. Thanks.

[carmine canopy]

Hello. I'm searching for books in deutsch that will help me improve my language overall. Any kind of fantasy, or just a simple novel would be appreciated. I don't want to read books for kids, need something a little bit more challenging. Currently on A2/B1 level. Please ping me with the recommendations and thank you in advance <3 🇩🇪

[tight perch]

I'm reading a book called 'short stories in German' by Olly Richards and it is great. It has a bunch of short stories that are fun to read and at the end of each one it has summaries and definitions of the more difficult words

It has helped me a lot!

@carmine canopy

[carmine canopy]

+1

That's a good series^^

[kindred island]

oh yea @toxic gale Le Petit Prince is a great book, translated into so many languages!

[lunar lantern]

@tight perch I just finished it a few weeks ago and I also recommend it ! It made me do a lot of progress

@carmine canopy I am currently reading (or trying to) die Verwandlung from Kafka. It's challenging (for me at least, as it is my first real book in German), but the sentences are rather short and simple. The story is very absurd and I like it so far :)

Also, read aiming to understand the global meaning, rather than each individual word. Only look up for a few key words that you feel like you need to know to actually understand what's going on. That's the best advice I've been given and it makes the reading experience much less frustrating, so I end up reading more often and making more progress :)

[iron vale]

I leave this here as a help

[carmine canopy]

Easy things to know:

Words ending in "heit" or "keit" - always die

Words ending in -er are normally masculine, words ending in -e are normally feminine

But not always, ie der Junge, das Fenster

[void lodge]

What can I do to add something in the resources list?

[spiral breach]

Just add it 😄 @void lodge

[hushed silo]

thwy can't...
you post it here as a suggestion

[void lodge]

🤔 but the site works so that you don’t search in the chat to make it easy

[misty valve]

The resource list is curated. That means we want to make sure the resources are good before we add them. If you think something should be added, you can tell us and we will add it if we think it's suitable.

[void lodge]

Ah ok

https://deutschlernerblog.de
It’s made by Germans

[spiral breach]

Oh I thought they were asking about this channel, not the list

My bad

[rare rapids]

Hallo alles! I found this link for a soundcloud account with some German short stories to help you with the listening/Hören (https://soundcloud.com/learnoutlive). Viel Glück. I have the PDF with the stories but I don't know if I'm allowed to share it since it's a real book. Let me know!

[tawdry marsh]

Hallo, haben Sie jedermann hat eine Verbindung für Bücher für Leute, die ein Niveau A2 B1 haben

[grand maple]

https://mega.nz/#F!NddAVDKA!34jxCGimoSE5rDNCGWYHiA!sdsg2DAJ

@tawdry marsh

[tawdry marsh]

@grand maple viel dank

[zealous crow]

In thie document in the subj, link to Schritte grammar overview (A1 / A2 / B1) is broken.

[naive violet]

just found this nice little vocabulary test where it estimates your german vocab
For anyone who's interested https://wortschatz.tk/

[carmine canopy]

want do you recommend me guys ? which book on the resources list should I start ?

Thank you Cynic

[stiff cedar]

@carmine canopy hast du den Test schon gemacht?

[carmine canopy]

Jap

@stiff cedar warum?

[stiff cedar]

hat mich nur interessiert :D

wie viele Wörter hattest du?

[carmine canopy]

8500, hast du ihn auch gemacht? 👀 @stiff cedar

[stiff cedar]

ja 👀

aber 8500 ist nicht shclecht

soweit ich weiß ist C1 ungefähr 10000? kann sein dass ich mich täusche

[carmine canopy]

Joa, ungefähr 10k, ich muss mehr Wörter lernen D:

Und wie viele Wörter hast du? :o

[sand marten]

26500, ist das viel? Ich denke mein Hintergrund von romanischen Sprachen hat das Ergebnis eh viel gefälscht x)
Es gab auch viele Wörter aus Medizin, was ich aufgrund meiner Familie kenne, und oft aus Griechisch stemmen, was sie für mich ganz verstehbar macht, auch wenn ich sie vielleicht noch nie auf Deutsch gesehen hatte

ich denke auch, dass da zu viele Wörter aus Medizin usw. waren 🤔

[stiff cedar]

damn boi 26500 is great

I had like 28k

[sand marten]

yeah but as i said, i dunno if i should trust it

i have been told that my way of speaking sounds quite "gehoben" but I don't think I can really help it xD

[carmine canopy]

Damn berzi

[sand marten]

i mean, almost all the words i scored in the second page are basically identical in the other languages I speak, only with an additional vowel. Surely that's cheating

[carmine canopy]

You could try doing it again 👀

[sand marten]

does it pick different words?

[carmine canopy]

It does but I’m not sure to what extent

[sand marten]

22500 this time

[carmine canopy]

That’s still amazing

[misty valve]

I got 12800. 🤔

It seems too high.

[sand marten]

but i can notice a serious lack of "pure" German words in my vocab, as opposed to latin/greek ones. Also of course whatever they estimate, it's only going to be passive vocabulary

which is quite a bit easier than the active counterpart since context alone can help immensely

(granted, they don't give any context here, but still there are many words that you'd never think of, but can intuit the meaning of immediately if you see them)

[misty valve]

Yes.

[carmine canopy]

@rich violet arc, could you do the test above? 👀

[rich violet]

the wortschatz one?

[carmine canopy]

Mhm 👀

[rich violet]

ok..

claims 11500

[carmine canopy]

Surprising when you also speak italian :o thanks arc!

[rich violet]

np

[stiff cedar]

yeah its not really aussagekräftig

[carmine canopy]

Ephie got above 50k wtfffff

[merry isle]

15800

Ich behaupte aber, in der Wirklichkeit kenne ich nicht mehr als 6-7k

Der Test ist ergo leider nicht so gut, mMn

[pure bolt]

tbh, this is a great resource for more words

[stiff cedar]

njää

not really

some of the words are not used at all

[pure bolt]

ja, but it would be nice to know them ☺

[stiff cedar]

~~sure if you want to learn some random medical or antiquated terms 👀 ~~

[pure bolt]

warum nicht

[sand marten]

@carmine canopy well, Arc's had a much different experience with Italian than me, I dare say

[carmine canopy]

Hmmm true

[grim fox]

hrmmm, could be better i spose >_>

half of words on second page are, like
not even german, they are testing knowledge of Latin or whatnot half the time 😄

zb, Kurie oder Epistemologie

[boreal socket]

congrats on becoming native yall

[grim fox]

native
Schöne Pleite.

[naive violet]

haha yea thats the problem, but german uses many latin words in "higher language"

[grim fox]

alle Europäische Sprachen nutzen viele lateinische Worte für Hochsprache, ja

[boreal socket]

I hate using those words because it feels like I'm speaking a soft version of English. can't really explain it haha

sounds like french or something, feels yuck

[naive violet]

i mean there are no german alternatives for some of these like Epistemologie so you really have no choice xD

[sand marten]

it doesn't feel yuck to me, not in english nor german or whatever

as Cynic says, there's really no alternative, and those words are part of the language as much as the "original" ones (whatever that means). As long as you're careful using them as the natives would, instead of how you'd use the french/italian/spanish/etc equivalent, it's perfectly ok

[naive violet]

i like latin words as well, and it was the same with the english vocab test i took :D i remember words like uxoricide lol

[boreal socket]

also rip this channel

we should move to general

[supple veldt]

Might seem like an odd request

But dutche weile has just broken for me won't let me play any of their videos is there any site that host their videos?

[grand maple]

i think that would be illegal so i doubt u would find any videos on any other website. is DW blocked in ur country? try using a vpn

[quiet portal]

can anyone recommend a workbook for a1 german

[sand marten]

Starten wir! A1

it's monolingual in German but well, it's A1

all the instructions are in German as well, but the examples tell you what to do visually

it's better than having things explained cross-language imo

[misty valve]

True and anything you don't understand you can always ask about here.

[grand maple]

https://youtu.be/_EpBmX28lAE

[bright condor]

Put this out today - don't know if and how often this question pops up, but I did my best to put together some useful pointers 😁 https://youtu.be/BLPXtJgflfc

[sacred jewel]

Oh du bist hier 😄 danke Katja :)

[amber whale]

Is there any website that teaches the grammar of german

[bright condor]

@sacred jewel hehe ja, ich lurke meistens nur 😄 hi!🤗

[toxic pier]

Is that your YT? My teacher was showing one of your videos yesterday

[bright condor]

Yes it is :) happy to hear it, awesome!

[sharp flint]

faq resources

faqresources

[swift wigeon]

oh mein Gott @bright condor 😄 👋 wusste nicht dass du hier bist!! deine Videos waren für mich echt eine Riesenhilfe ^^

[carmine canopy]

Omg ist das Katja von Deutsch für Euch? :o

[swift wigeon]

jaaa 😄

[carmine canopy]

https://www.sueddeutsche.de
https://www.zeit.de/index
https://mobil.stern.de/ - mobile link :c
https://www.mittelbayerische.de
https://m.faz.net/aktuell/
https://www.nzz.ch
@sleek holly

Idk any austrian ones so I’ll leave that to you

[sleek holly]

Added. If anyone else wants anything to be on there, send it here.

[sand marten]

is this about newspapers?

what about der spiegel

and tagesschau

[sleek holly]

Yeah it is, Suzu wanted some in the resource list. And as said, if your favorite memepapers aren't there, just send me names/links and I'll add them.

[ashen osprey]

Austrian newspapers include:
https://www.heute.at/
https://www.oe24.at/
https://www.krone.at/
https://diepresse.com/
https://kurier.at/

[pure bolt]

http://spiegel.de

https://www.tagesschau.de

[sleek holly]

@pure bolt repost :::////

[merry isle]

Bin ich ein böser Mensch, wenn ich bild.de vorschlage? 😂

[south heart]

schön wie die Heute als erste österreichische Zeitung genannt wird

[merry isle]

Heute finde ich ehrlich gesagt komisch 😏

Vielleicht ist das noch nicht Bild, geht aber etwas in die Richtung...

[south heart]

Die Bild müllt wenigstens keine Ubahnen zu

[merry isle]

Ist das kostenlos? 😮

[south heart]

jap

[merry isle]

Ich hab das bisher nur im Internet gesehen

ein paar mal was gelesen

und ehrlich gesagt, beeindruckt war ich nicht so sehr

[south heart]

https://derstandard.at ist auch ganz gut

[merry isle]

dem stimme ich zu

hat jemand schon ORF erwähnt? das finde ich auch ziemlich gut

[south heart]

Gehts um Zeitungen oder generell Nachrichtenquellen?

[merry isle]

kA, ist vorhin erwähnte Tagesschau eine Zeitung?

[south heart]

Die Tagesschau veröffentlicht auch Artikel

[merry isle]

ich glaube, es geht um Nachrichtenquellen

https://orf.at/

da gibt's interessante Artikel

meiner Meinung nach

[south heart]

wobei stimmt ja das macht das orf auch

[coarse plover]

@copper thunder I don't know about Udemy, but a look in here https://goo.gl/ntXqi7 might help out.

[copper thunder]

ok ty

[bright condor]

@carmine canopy jeeeee 😄

[swift wigeon]

😄